Billion-Dollar Insurance Bandit w/ Jenny Yang

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast

Episode: Billion-Dollar Insurance Bandit w/ Jenny Yang
Date: June 23, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Jenny Yang

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Overview

In this episode, Laci Mosley welcomes comedian, writer, and actress Jenny Yang for a rollicking exploration of one of America’s wildest white-collar cons: the $2 billion insurance fraud perpetrated by Greg Lindberg, dubbed “the Warren Buffett of insurance fraud.” As always, the Scam Goddess duo cuts through the details with biting wit—tackling everything from psychic scams and tipping culture to the absurd excesses of the ultrarich. The pair break down Lindberg’s rise and fall, the mechanics of white-collar crime, and the social consequences for scam victims—all with trademark irreverence and side-splitting commentary.

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Main Themes

• Insurance Fraud on a Billion-Dollar Scale: Deep dive into Greg Lindberg’s $2 billion embezzlement and subsequent legal saga.
• Culture of Grifting: How scam culture seeps into daily life, from psychic “schemes” to tipping expectations and ridiculous billionaire lifestyles.
• Victims and Ethics: The real-life costs of insurance scams and why structure and community matter in modern society.
• Comedy and Coping: Finding the humor (and tragedy) in con culture—always laughing at the scammer, never the victim.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Scam, Scheme, or Real Thing? (06:00 – 21:22)

A recurring segment where Laci quizzes Jenny on various phenomena, asking whether they’re a “scam,” “scheme,” or “real thing.”

• Psychics:
  • Jenny: “It’s a scheme. You gotta choose the right person… there are people who can scam as psychics, and then I kind of believe there’s some people who just have that wisdom.” (06:04)
  • Laci: “If men were psychics, then I say scam fully… they don’t have that women’s intuition.” (07:16)
• Valets:
  • Jenny: “That’s real… especially in LA, valet is true convenience.” (10:56)
  • Laci: “Sometimes it can be a scheme... in LA, some valet setups just rope off big parking lots and charge you for what should be free.” (14:46)
• Tipping Outside Food Service:
  • Jenny: “I think it’s a real thing/slash a scheme—it depends.” (15:43)
  • Laci: “When I get Juvederm, they ask me to tip before the procedure—so I feel held hostage.” (17:57)

“Any kind of cosmetic beauty clinic can be a potential front for money laundering…It’s ripe.“
— Jenny Yang (19:59)

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Warren Buffett of Insurance Fraud, Greg Lindberg (22:38 – 66:46)

Laci regales Jenny with Lindberg's story:

Introducing Greg Lindberg (23:00)

• Stole $2 billion from companies he owned, tried to bribe a state official for $200 million to keep quiet.
• “He looks more like a cult leader than an insurance fraudster.” — Jenny (23:17)

How the Scheme Worked

• Lindberg bought insurance companies, then used their assets to make risky personal investments and forgive his own loans.
• “He diverted money meant for insurance payouts into loans and securities for himself—insurance is a Ponzi scheme!” — Laci (32:13)

Victims

• Thousands lost their savings, some died before seeing restitution.
• “Roughly 30,000 victims died before recovering money tied to the scheme.” — Laci (34:06)
• “Can their relatives come for that money?” — Jenny (34:12)

Billionaire Lifestyle & Greed

• Lavish homes, tennis courts, martial arts trainers, vacation homes in obscure places (Idaho).
• “When you want vacation homes in places people don’t want to go to, it’s because you got something to hide.” — Jenny (30:54)
• Attempted to father 50 Aryan children via egg donors and surrogates:
  • “This is Marxist rage… He’s repopulating like Genghis Khan while rigging the economy so others have no hope.” — Jenny (49:53)
• “Nothing original. He copy-pasted billionaire quirks off a Pinterest board. Boring.” — Laci (65:12)

Legal Fallout

• Convicted and sentenced to 7 years (2019), overturned and retried.
• Convicted again in 2024 (bribery), 2026 (fraud & money laundering).
• “His rap sheet doesn’t end—it’s a CVS receipt.” — Laci (58:52)

Post-Prison Shenanigans

• Self-help YouTube videos on fasting/quantum physics (“A simple technique: if you are facing a grave threat, start fasting.” — Greg via Laci, 57:09)
• “He never stopped grifting. Even in prison, he’s teaching other inmates white-man culture.” — Jenny (61:21)

Reflection

• “Having wealth doesn’t equal intelligence. A lot of rich people are not smart.” — Laci (62:44)
• Laci & Jenny criticize the unoriginal, callous, and entitled nature of Lindberg’s scams:
  • “A mediocre scammer…Nothing about him is interesting.” — Both (65:53–66:00)

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Scammer of the Week: Sophia Luo (66:46 – 81:47)

Laci and Jenny analyze the case of Sophia Luo, a climate activist-turned-blackmailer.

• Attempted to extort Milwaukee Bucks co-owner Wes Edens for $6M+ after a one-night stand, using AI-generated explicit images.
• “I don’t falter for any of this. So far, all I’m hearing is scam on scam crime.” — Jenny (76:08)
• “$6 million for boning this nasty and having that memory—at least get paid!” — Laci (76:14)
• Sophia was caught when she tried to raise the blackmail price; feds raided her apartment, uncovering devices hidden in tampons and dirty laundry.
• “That’s why DEI is a real thing—you need women on your FBI squad, they know where to look.” — Laci (74:59)

“If I ever get a LinkedIn nude, it’s over, it’s over.”
— Laci (72:13)

Key Reflection

• Both agree: Scam on scam crime is victimless fun—just take the money and run.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On “Boundaries” & Community:

• “People do, they use it for being a lousy friend. I’m like, no, your boundary can’t be ‘I’m a trash ass friend.’” — Laci (05:06)

On Male Intuition & Therapy:

• “Men be with their homeboys and be like, ‘yeah, my homie just got divorced.’ She’d be like, ‘why?’ but ‘I dunno.’ …You definitely ain’t following up with my dead granny.” — Laci (07:50)

On Billionaire Weirdness:

• “What kind of life is this, Greg, trying to live? …How much luxury can you really stand?” — Jenny (41:31)
• “These weird billionaires…they either look like they’re on uppers or downers. What is happening?” — Laci (48:36)

On Class, Crime, and Race:

• “In America, the history of tipping is obviously built off of racism, reconstruction, slavery.” — Jenny (16:03)
• “A lot of those LA freeways were built through Black or POC neighborhoods.” — Laci (13:59)
• “Valet: You circling the block, you supposed to be circling the dick!” — Laci (11:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Scam, Scheme, or Real Thing?: 06:00 – 21:22
• Historic Hoodwinks: Greg Lindberg: 22:38 – 66:46
• Scammer of the Week (Sophia Luo): 66:46 – 81:47
• Outro & Jenny’s Tour Plug: 81:47 – 83:23

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Flow & Tone

• Fast-paced, irreverent, playful, yet incisive.
• Unfiltered language, sharp black cultural critique, and meta-jokes about grifting in America.
• Laci and Jenny riff naturally—delivering laughs even as they dissect horrifying true con stories.

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Final Thoughts

This episode shows that when it comes to billion-dollar scams, the crooks are often greedy, predictable…and unoriginal. But what truly hits home is how these white-collar schemes devastate ordinary lives—while the rich keep running scams, building weird legacies, and trying to cheat death (and father entire races).

As Laci says of Lindberg:

“Nothing about you is interesting…Boo. Tomato, tomato.” (65:38)

Stay schemin’, Congregation.

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Follow-Up & Guest Links

• Jenny Yang’s Tour: Good Egg Immigrant Grocery Store Standup Comedy Tour.
  jennyyang.tv | @jennyyangtv on Instagram/TikTok
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms
• Scam Goddess TV Show on Hulu
• Podcast: Scam Goddess by Earwolf

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Stay schemin’!

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Target.

[A]

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[B]

Yes,

[A]

go ahead, get up, stand up, wave. Stick a hand out the window if you're driving. Yeah, let it feel in the breeze. Yes, we can all pretend to be a dog sometimes. You already know. I'm very. What? Yes. Excited. Elated estate for my homie to return to the show. She is a funny comedian, writer, and actress. She's also the host of the podcast, what should we talk About? Congregation, make sure to enter the chat. Okay. You may have heard her voice or seen her lovely face in some of her works, such as Last Man Standing, the Saviors, the Great north, and so, so much more. And she's the creator and host of Self Help Me, a competitive self care comedy game show. Congregation, please welcome my friend Jenny Yang to the show.

[B]

Oh, my goodness. Congregation, I'm so honored to be here.

[A]

So happy to have you. Wait, this is for your first time, right?

[B]

No, I'm returning.

[A]

I know I said returning, and then like, for some reason I was like, no, no, no, I'm right. I'm right. It's been a minute.

[B]

I see you irl I do, I do. So that's why it tricks you into thinking that I've been on before. I remember very vividly our last show together, Scam Goddess show together. And it was about New Jersey. The water park.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That killed people.

[A]

Oh my gosh. That was during the height of COVID In our houses. Yeah. Action Park. Or it's. Yeah. Yes. But. Oh my goodness. Wow, what a time. I'm glad that we finally snagged you back because she's booked, busy and all. Probably in a city near you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

By the time this comes out, she definitely will not be in Los Angeles for sure. I feel like you just walk out the door and you just catch a flight. I feel like they have to just.

[B]

I'm trying to. Listen, we are out here trying to spread the good word. And the good word is comedy.

[A]

It is. That's all we can do. We laugh to keep from crying.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Whenever we can. Now, Jenny, I have some questions for you and I want to get some opinions from you. So I'm gonna ask you about three different subject matters and I wanna know if you think they are a scam, a scheme, or a real thing. A scam, meaning it's full out, full blown scam. Please put the metal bracelets on the girls. A scheme meaning it feels like it should be illegal and it gets a little shady at times. And then a real thing is like, it's legitimate. Might not like it, but you know, it helps society function or whatever. Community. And I have one rambling note about community, y'. All. I love that y' all are going to therapy, but some of y' all are going to therapy and leaving with the wrong things, y'. All. Leaving with a therapy vocabulary and then just using it all willy nilly and don't even know what the fuck it mean. Boundaries are important, but you can't be like, oh, if your boundaries are like, I. I can't show up for you. Cause this is my boundary. I'm tired, I can't help you move. That's my boundary. I can't. That's my boundary. I can't. Eventually it's like, baby, community is also about inconvenience. Like every time we see Community, it's always like a pretty picture of like a bunch of people around one person smiling, probably drinking like a white claw or something. Sometimes Community is doing shit that is fucking annoying.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Sometimes Community is a baby on a plane.

[B]

Listen.

[A]

And you gotta just try to support the parents of that unemployed, yelling ass baby that's right. Cause that's community.

[B]

It is. You can't be using boundary as an excuse for bad behavior.

[A]

People do. They use it for being a lousy friend. I'm like, no, your boundary can't be. I'm a trash ass friend.

[B]

Lacey.

[A]

Name names, the list would be endless.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

But a funny one I do remember was Jonah Hill and that girl, that surfer girl that he was dating. And then he was sending her all these crazy text messages because she would be out on the surf, like surfing with other dudes. But it's not like they like on the same surfboard, you know, like cuddled up. It's like they riding the brakes in the waves or whatever the fuck. Cowabunga. I remember they be doing. And he was like, well, you in these swimsuits on the beach, that's my boundary. I don't wanna see you in these swimsuits. I was like, that's not a boundary, bro. It's not a boundary if you try to make somebody else do something.

[B]

My boundary is making sure that you cook me breakfast, lunch and dinner every day.

[A]

That's my boundary.

[B]

That's my boundary.

[A]

Yeah, and you overstepping it right now because. Where is the spaghetti I asked for? It's 5:30. Thank you.

[B]

I'm an early dinner.

[A]

Yeah, you're right. I don't know. I just needed to say that. But. So scam, scheme or real thing? First one here, Jenny. Psychics.

[B]

Psych. It's a scheme.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

It's a scheme. I feel like it really depends on. It's like a medical professional or a chiropractor. You gotta choose the right person because there are people who can scam as psychics. And then I kind of believe there's some people who just have that wisdom.

[A]

I do too.

[B]

Right. Don't you believe that?

[A]

And even if it's like deductive reasoning, like I don't give a shit, even if you just came to it cause you like you. I'm seeing a school. Meanwhile I got like my teacher badge on.

[B]

Exactly, exactly.

[A]

I'm seeing children.

[B]

The pitter patter of feet, because I call it. To me, it's a scheme that has been passed down through matrilineal lines and heritage. Okay? It is a woman's scheme.

[A]

I've never seen a male sidekick.

[B]

That's right. So I believe in women's rights and wrongs. And so I think if you're a woman who is able to offer wisdom by just reading someone's aura. Fuck it. Yeah, get at it. Charge me A hundred bucks for it. That's on you.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

You know what I mean? So it's a scheme. It's a scheme. I feel like, of course there's scammers. Don't be abusing that. Right? Don't be abusing that.

[A]

Don't be like, yeah, the universe told me to hand. You need to hand over your, like, the deed to your home to do that. Which psychics have done that we've covered on this show.

[B]

No, we don't like that.

[A]

No. But I feel like going in and even if it's just confirming your own biases, getting the courage to do something that you're scared to do because the, the psychic lady said it all comes together. Yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, bet. Now if men were psychics, then I say scam fully because, like 100% they

[B]

don't have that women's intuition.

[A]

They don't. I think they also don't have the listening skills. If they can't listen to living people, they certainly can't listen to spirits.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I don't think no ghost has ever spoken to a man.

[B]

I question a male therapist. That's all I'm saying. Even in therapy. I question a male therapist. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, right.

[A]

Cause men be with their homeboys and be like, yeah, my homie just got divorced. She'd be like, why? But I don't know. I'm like, haven't y' all been friends since you were eight? Like, why don't you know? You didn't ask no follow up questions. You definitely ain't following up with my dead granny.

[B]

Like, no, tell me more is three magical words. Tell me more. Learn em. Learn em.

[A]

They're like, oh, man, that's tough anyways.

[B]

Oh, that's tough.

[A]

You want another round? It's like, what? Give that man a hug. Aw, that's your friend.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I agree with you. I'm gonna say scheme as well. Cause I'll get my tarot cards read every now and then.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

And if it's something that's guiding me in the right direction, then why not?

[B]

And then if you get a gut reaction against they're saying, then that's also information. Yeah, right. Where you're like, okay, maybe I'm not into this. I'm not into what they're saying.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, and that's, that's knowledge. To be like, all right, well, let me listen to myself. It's not like you just, you know, follow whatever they Say, whole cloth.

[A]

No, but some people do.

[B]

I know. And that's too. Too vulnerable.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

Don't be that vulnerable.

[A]

I mean, I guess I would rather you go to a regular psychic than be in a cult. I feel like one is, like both people have the same need, which is the need for answers.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

That they can't figure out on their own so they can have peace. Yeah, but I'd rather you go to a psychic than be like, you know, living on a compound.

[B]

But you know what it is, though, regardless of whether or not you choose a cult or a psychic, as humans, sometimes we just want to not think. We just want to outsource our free will and just be like, I just need to put this on someone else to tell me what to do. And that's dangerous. It is.

[A]

But also, sometimes you're right. Like, but that's freeing ourselves. I can understand, like, why people enjoy the structure of, like, the military or like, I even remember being a kid and, like, having to go to school the same time every single day.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I would get my sister ready before, and I would listen to Steve Harvey in the morning show like an old lady every morning. Oh, my God. And like, have my routine. I don't remember being as anxious then.

[B]

I think so. And I feel like that's why, you know, people are young kids. The youngins, the Gen Z, they're increasingly going to Catholic Church. They like the structure of it.

[A]

Oh, no, it ain't lit it up in there for me. No shade to the Catholics. Y' all get a guilty. Throw them rosaries in the air. Wave em like you just don't care. I heard the funniest joke. I wish I could. I can't remember who said it, but they were like, I feel like Jesus is not coming back because everybody wearing them crucifixes and he feels like that's a threat.

[B]

What, our crucifix?

[A]

Cause the crucifix, what we killed the man on.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

We killed, homie. Now we walking around with the murder weapon just on us. We gold plated with diamonds and shit. I wouldn't come back either.

[B]

That's real.

[A]

That's why he ain't save us from Trump. He said, I ain't coming down there. All you MAGA supporters will try to deport my ass to El Salvador. That's true.

[B]

I never thought of it that way. I like that. Listen, if I got killed with a gun, I'm not gonna come back and embrace people wearing Guns all over their bodies.

[A]

Hey, wearing gun necklaces, you're not safe. You not safe. I don't wanna be around you. Moving on to our next scam scheme, a real thing. Valet.

[B]

Valet.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Oh, that's real.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's real. Listen, if you live in Los Angeles or any city where parking is scarce, that is a true convenience. Do you know how much stre. Do you know how much. I broke up with a man because he lived in K town.

[A]

That's fair.

[B]

He lived in Koreatown. And three nights separately, I cried because I couldn't show up for that booty call. That's stress. That is. That affects my mental, spiritual.

[A]

And I can't even imagine what you were thinking as you was driving to peen and then having to circle the block.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You circling the block. You supposed to be circling the dick.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

You circling the block. Yeah. That would mess with me.

[B]

I'm just saying, like, I believe valet is a true service. Tip your valet drivers. They're keeping your car safe while you're, like, doing what you gotta do. I do agree.

[A]

Tip your valet drivers. That's gonna go into our next thing. But also, I don't like how valet drivers move all of my seats. Yes, I know I'm a little person, but you're literally in. Except for on the Internet, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Y' all know I'm five' nine. Don't let nobody tell you different. But I feel like when I get back in my car and every setting has changed, I'm like, you drove it up the block, my guys. You had to every mirror and move the seat all the way back to the back seat.

[B]

So that's a petite lady issue. I am not a petite lady. I'm so sorry.

[A]

So when you get back, your settings be the same?

[B]

Yeah, I got long legs, short torso.

[A]

I have long legs and short torso, too.

[B]

But I'm taller than you are.

[A]

You. Can y' all hear that? She's taller than me. I don't hear it either.

[B]

I got tall voice.

[A]

I feel like sometimes it can be a scheme because. And here's why. I feel like in Los Angeles, one. It pisses me off. The way the city was designed. It feels like it was just, like, paved by, like. Like, they just follow, like, a wild animals, like, footprints. And we're like, let's pave this right? Like, I. Like, it's too big of a state for us to continue to have establishments that do not have any parking.

[B]

I get that. I get that. Like, but let me explain as someone who went to grad school in urban planning and know a lot.

[A]

Ooh, we got an urban planner on the show. Wait a minute.

[B]

Listen, I know TR drop all my credentials all the time, but in this moment, the problem is Los Angeles was built by, how do you say it? Real estate prospectors and heavily lobbied by the car and rubber tire industry. So they didn't do a lot of thinking. It was more about how do we just get people on freeways, you know what I'm saying? So when it comes to like the livable driving experience with parking lots and parking on the city street, not a lot of forethought at all. No, that's not how it is. Because LA was such a new city, relatively right. Compared to the rest of the country, that it was established in a messed up extra capitalistic way.

[A]

Right. We ain't got no Gilded Age.

[B]

No. And so they were just like, just. It's everything about the 1950s that happened, it's, you know, chewed up LA and spit it out.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna toss it racism.

[B]

I mean that too.

[A]

Because a lot of those freeways are built through black or POC neighborhoods.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And they cut off access to rich neighborhoods. And a lot of brown people did not have cars. Maybe sometimes not even. Cause they couldn't afford them. Cause people would sell black people cars.

[B]

I would argue. I would argue you're a description of a city where the streets were sort of paved after the hooves of animals is Boston. That's real. Because that's like pre colonial to colonial age. And it's just.

[A]

I was just there. It does give a bunch of Clippy Cloppies.

[B]

That's why. Have you ever driven in the Boston area? It's terrible, guys. Because they just all of a sudden it's like they're turning, they're merging out of nowhere. Because these were not built for high speed cars. It's built for little turns of little horse carriages.

[A]

I agree with you. And in la, except for specific venues, I agree that valet is definitely a necessity. And it's a real thing. I will say in bigger places, like when I go to Texas, if I see a valet and it's like for an event and I see a huge ass parking lot that they've just roped off so that they can park your car and charge you for it, I'm like, bro, that whole parking lot is right there. How you gonna pop up? How you gonna pop up? Valet. Also, how can I get involved? Like what time do I need to show up? To the Walmart parking lot and start putting casha tape around that bitch and be like, y' all trying to go to this concert. Give me your car.

[B]

Listen, Texas is a whole other thing. They got enough space.

[A]

Truly. That's why I'm like, ballet in Texas. Like, y' all are fucking playing with me like I'm parking my car on the lawn. Kiss my ass. No. So I do agree with you on that. Okay, last but not least, scam, scheme, are real thing. We talk about tipping, the valet tipping outside of restaurants. So not restaurant tipping, but anywhere else.

[B]

I think it's a real thing slash a scheme. It really depends on where you are and what industry you're talking about.

[A]

I'm gonna include baristas in restaurant. Like, in, like, food service.

[B]

I tip.

[A]

I love my non binary baristas. And they are included in the restaurant. Like, we should be tipping them. Okay. If they got purple hair and you not tipping, you tripping.

[B]

So listen, in America, as some of you might know, the history of tipping is obviously built off of racism, reconstruction, slavery.

[A]

Answer to end it truly is. Listen, baby, America about to fill up that cement. They about to fill that swimming pool up with cement because they would rather nobody swim than anybody brown get in.

[B]

That's right. Okay.

[A]

That's where we're at, baby.

[B]

So if you're listening to this outside of America, that's just a history. So for me, given that history, I do tend to tip because, I don't know, I used to work for the labor movement, and I'm like, it's nice to just tip.

[A]

Like, shouldn't be in the churches. Yeah.

[B]

At hotels. I know at hotels I try to tip. Oh, yeah, I do tip. Like, if I just came from a cafe in Hollywood just now, before I got here, I tipped on my first little toast. I did tip, like a dollar.

[A]

Well, maybe I should have been more clear. Hospitality is not included. All right, so that includes service industry, like, all of that. I'm talking about, like, a specific time I went to. I like to give people birthday boxes sometimes. Only my witchy women. So I'll go to. What is that store called? The one in la, you know, the witchy one where they sell you, like a box of expensive rocks and candles. Intuition.

[B]

Intuition. That's right.

[A]

And I remember I've gone in there and, like, bought a birthday box. And then when they turn the iPad around and it's like, tip suggestions.

[B]

Yeah, no, thank you.

[A]

And I'm like, I just shopped in here. I brought it to the counter myself. Now, if A witch had come out and put some palo santo around me and been like, this is where you need to go. Maybe I'll give her a tip for that.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

But I'm like, if I come into a store and I purchase things, I don't understand why you're asking me for a tip.

[B]

If you take away the sort of hospitality, then, yeah, I think that's a scheme.

[A]

The place that I used to get Juvederm at, oh, they had a situation, which I later found out. I'll say this in order. So they had a situation where, like, I would go there. I'd gone there for years and only to. Because my one nurse was there, and finally she left. So I followed her to where she went.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But before I would get like, either, like, I get Juvederm under my eyes sometimes. Because.

[B]

What's Juvederm?

[A]

So Juvederm is a filler. Some people get it in their lips and stuff. That's how you see the girls with the lip that be like, you know, they can't eat normal again. They can't do a straw, let the lip flip. I get it under my eyes because in my family, it's just a genetic thing that the volume starts to go inward.

[B]

I mean, your eyes look great right now.

[A]

Thank you. Yeah, so I'll get that done maybe once a year. But before I get it done, this nurse or the lady at the front desk would come in and pull up the price of the procedure, and I would pay and it would ask me if. If like, to leave a tip. Now, in that position, I felt really held hostage. I always left a 20% tip because you're asking me to leave a tip before the person comes in here. Now, I trust in love minors, so I don't. She would never do it dirty.

[B]

She's an established relationship.

[A]

In the beginning, the first time that they whipped that out.

[B]

That's weird. That's weird.

[A]

I was like, no, I have to tip. Cause you're about to inject my face. What if I don't give you no tip and now you mad and then you start stabbing me wrong. What's going on?

[B]

Yeah, I don't know about that. That is a scam. If you're showing me the tipping monitor before that becomes a threat. Yeah, then that becomes a threat.

[A]

I kind of understood the payment thing. Just because, like, what if I run out with the stuff in my eye? You can't get it back? Like, I kind of get that.

[B]

You get it.

[A]

You get it.

[B]

They can't suck it back out, right.

[A]

If they put it in and I just bolt for the door. Like, I kind of get that. But the tipping thing, I was like, nah. Cause what if she fuck me up? Cause I ain't leaving no good tip. I don't like this. I don't like this. I later found out at the place that my nurse went to. Like, I tried. Like, when I paid for the first time, I. This was maybe a couple of weeks ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, oh, and where's the tipping option? And she was like, oh, ma', am, we don't. This is a medical procedure. No one should be asking you for a tip. I was like, I've been tipping for, like, five years.

[B]

That's a scam.

[A]

See?

[B]

That's a scam.

[A]

I thought the owner of the last place was, like, using up all the drugs for her personal use and, like, stealing the tips from the nurses and stuff.

[B]

Listen, I feel like any kind of, like, cosmetic beauty clinic can be a potential front for money laundering. Oh, I'm just saying, it's very. It's ripe.

[A]

You know what? Instead of a Laundromat, it should be that. Cause how you gonna tell me how many laser facials I did today? You don't know.

[B]

Listen.

[A]

Ooh, we need to be running that drug money through the.

[B]

You can cook the books on that one. Look, at Medspa Real Easy Med Spa, you really easy cook the books. We did 12.

[A]

$1,200 facial massage.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Today.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Who gonna know?

[B]

No one's gonna know.

[A]

Ooh, ideas, guys.

[B]

Maybe you need to run a scam. We're giving you ideas. That's what this show's about. Scam got us.

[A]

Absolutely not. Y' all know the Abogado fund. Y' all need to start getting it back up and running again. Stop not getting sued. Okay? This is cautionary tales. It all hypotheticals.

[B]

That's right. Allegedly.

[A]

Thank you for those. I really appreciate your opinions. Listen, and we learned some things from

[B]

a city planner I did all two years of my UCLA master's, but I did not graduate.

[A]

Why? Why give up if you're that close?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You know what? Fair enough. Cut your losses. Okay. You are a brilliant comedian. We didn't need you giving that school no more coin. You learned everything you needed to know.

[B]

You're such a supportive friend, Lacey.

[A]

I mean, as are you.

[B]

I try to be.

[A]

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[B]

I live for this. I am salivating right now.

[A]

So the Warren Buffett of insurance fraud stole $2 billion from his own companies, then tried to pay a state official 200 million more to stay quiet about it.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

And this is him. Oh, wow.

[B]

He looks more like a cult leader than an insurance fraudster.

[A]

He looked like Trump could cousin who ran a meth lab.

[B]

He's all recessive gene. Just if you can't see the picture.

[A]

Oh, truly.

[B]

He's all recessive gene.

[A]

It's giving brother cousin for sure. But I will say, I mean, for being in jail, he managed to get that hair pomaded.

[B]

That's true. That hair is laid.

[A]

Well, so maybe they like him in jail.

[B]

That is probably proof.

[A]

Cause they always say, like, how you show up to court kind of shows how people fuck with you in jail. Like if your hair is done, if you got a haircut, like Luigi Mangiani, always be looking fresh as hell.

[B]

I mean, he's also fine, but.

[A]

He is so fine.

[B]

But I mean, I feel like, what's this dude?

[A]

He.

[B]

Let's think about it. What's his personality? He is a white man White collar con who is in prison. He's gonna be fine. He's like, probably a fast talker. He probably, you know, tries to fit in.

[A]

He has a decent head of hair.

[B]

He has a good head of hair. So I bet you the other prisoners are just like, you're fine if he's

[A]

in white collar jail. Yeah. They probably all play intense.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah. So Greg Lindenberg, he looks like a Greg. Just so forgettable.

[B]

You know Greggs.

[A]

You know Greggs.

[B]

You know how Greggs do. Oh, no, here's another photo.

[A]

Okay. We saw him in a side profile first, y'. All. Now he's. It's giving. Oh, my God.

[B]

It's very. It's very Malfoy. I don't know about that. Yeah, the eyes are very Malfoy. His hair is red, but it could just easily be platinum blonde.

[A]

Right. And then what is this? Like, bang, he's doing. What is this? I don't know. And why is he scowling at us?

[B]

I don't know why he's so mean. I feel like with these types of guys who are probably scammers, like white collar guys, they take these kind of photos where it makes them feel like they're powerful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But little does he know that he needs a stylist. He needs some more gay people in his life. Probably.

[A]

Yeah. He thinks he's serving, like, CFO face. And it's like, no, no, the F's CFO is not financial, is not face. It's like, fuck. Like, that's what that F stands for. What the fuck? No. Oh, my goodness. I feel like I'm gonna lose my soul if I keep looking at it.

[B]

Yeah. Don't stare at his Ey.

[A]

Yeah. He follows you around the room. Oh, yeah. No. So he was born in San Mateo, California, and attended Yale University. Of course, you know, like you do, while at Yale, he started a healthcare newsletter, which later became Eli Global, a conglomerate that has almost nothing to do with healthcare that's headquartered in Durham, North Carolina.

[B]

See, that's already gonna tip you off if you're gonna name something. Eli Global. This is how you know he's a good scammer. I mean, eventually he became not a good scammer because he got caught. But a good scammer will take the words that make you. That invoke the thing, that invoke the status, the institution. Because when I hear Eli Global, I hear Eli Lilly.

[A]

That's what I do, too.

[B]

That's pharmaceutical. And then Global implies we got reach.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We are powerful. And so that's when you know, like, that's the start of a good scam.

[A]

And his name is not Eli. So it's like, who is Eli?

[B]

Who's Eli?

[A]

We're not. We're too poor to know. Yeah, you're right. That's a good one. Like using like buzzwords like that in any corporate sense. They love that stuff. You know, market share, lion's share, synergy, Infinite Grove.

[B]

That's right. Yeah. I can't. I'm not corporate enough of an Asian to know the rest of those words.

[A]

So on his personal website, Greg called William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper magnate of the earliest 20th century, who inspired the Charles Foster Kane character in the movie Citizen Kane as one of his earliest inspirations. Now that is a run on sentence. So I'm gonna explain to you what I just said. Greg said that William Randolph Hearst, who was a newspaper magnet.

[B]

That's right. Right.

[A]

Was his inspiration.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And the newspaper magnet is. Is what Citizen Kane is inspired by. Right.

[B]

So it's. It's kind of diabolical. Right?

[A]

Yeah. Not a guy.

[B]

Yeah, There we go.

[A]

Yeah, this makes sense.

[B]

That's like. You know what? That's, that's like, that's like the way these like techno fascists today, like Palantir, they name their companies and their inspiration off of literally the villain from like Lord of the Rings.

[A]

They want to be Lex Luthor so bad.

[B]

Exactly. They're like, they don't see it as a cautionary tale. They see that as like as aspirational.

[A]

And I wish that the names didn't sound so cool. I wish that the villain's names was like, well, I really aspire to be the boogeyman.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Like I'm trying to be everywhere. In closets, under beds.

[B]

I know William Randolph Hearst is terrifying

[A]

the children, taking the parents money. Like, I want somebody to be like, yeah, Boogeyman Global.

[B]

Exactly. But they're not gonna do that. They're smarter than that.

[A]

Right. Lex Luthor does sound, you know, these sound more enticing, I guess. So in 2014, he started buying insurance companies and lobbying politicians to increase the amount of insurance, like company assets that an owner could invest in. So he started buying the insurance companies and then he was like, let me start using my money to now lobby our crooked ass government.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

So that I can make sure I can get as many investors in these companies as possible. Who knows why that's not like, like legal? Probably cause it's not a good idea.

[B]

But this is what happens if he comes from an elite background, is able to get into Yale, and then in Yale he supercharges his ability to become a part of the ownership class, to be a part of the people who run the world. They literally talk to each other like we're gonna run the world.

[A]

Right? He probably put one of them cloaks on and he's getting his booty beat down in the basement.

[B]

So this is how you show up. This is how you show up when you start a business. Act like that. You say, I'm gonna start a business and because I going to be able to lobby, AKA buy off the right decision makers to change the rules to be favorable to me. That's how they think. And then we're out here, little peons going to public school, trying to get straight A's because we, we just gotta follow the teacher's orders, right? Do you understand what I'm saying?

[A]

We gotta get out there and vote. No do vote.

[B]

But like rules are for suckers is what I'm saying.

[A]

But if we could buy things off. I know, let's. So Greg bought five, like a $5 million mansion in the North Riley area that was the most expensive home sold in the county.

[B]

Okay, where is this?

[A]

And this is the $5 million mansion. This is in North Riley, Carolina.

[B]

Oh, Carolinas got it.

[A]

Yeah. And at the time he had the most ball in his ass house. This is the most expensive house you could get.

[B]

It is nice. When you live at a mansion that's surrounded by enough forest to hide bodies, that's when you know you're rich. Right.

[A]

That really is when you know because like you cannot see like through those trees exactly. Like y' all bitches got. He got trees and hedges y' all ain't seeing. He can chop the body up on the driveway. We ain't seeing shit.

[B]

Trees and hedges is wealth.

[A]

Yeah, but also so much secrecy. Why you need trees and hedges?

[B]

That's right. Suspicious.

[A]

It's very suspicious. So he bought another mansion in Durham which was his main residence for many years and is equipped with both indoor and outdoor tennis courts for year round use. He also had a vacation home in Key west and in Idaho. Who the fuck is vacationing in Idaho with the potatoes? What do you mean vacation home in Idaho? Those words should not be juxtaposed.

[B]

I feel like when you want vacation homes in places people don't want to go to, it's because you got something to hide.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's my feeling. I feel like that's what he was doing in Idaho at His vacation home.

[B]

You can hide amongst the spuds

[A]

because

[B]

he looked like a potato himself.

[A]

He does look like a potato himself.

[B]

It's camouflage.

[A]

So at the same time, he started buying more insurance companies. So he's buying homes and insurance companies. Eli Global now acquires around 30 new companies per year.

[B]

He just got that greedy. I mean, that's greedy.

[A]

It's a sickness.

[B]

But that's the other thing too. It's like people say, oh, American capitalism. It's all about competitive markets. When, in the end, when you're that rich, your goal is to become a Monopoly. It's truly the game of Monopoly. Like the game, the board game. That's all they want to do. They want to just dominate a sector. That's why they buy up so many companies.

[A]

And that's why Monopoly isn't fun. I mean, it was created by a woman, stolen from. By a man. But the whole point was to show the ills of capitalism. And they're like, let's turn into a fun game. It's like, it's not a fun game because as soon as someone has the Monopoly, nobody wants to play anymore. Because. What do you mean? Every time I land on Boardwalk, I got to clean myself out.

[B]

Then you're the jerk, then. Then you're the jerk, right? Yeah.

[A]

No, it's. It's bullshit. You know how many Monopoly fights I've been in? I still got a cut on my thigh like my cousin Jermana Jamonica. So, like. Yeah, like. No. So this is how he got into stealing 2 billion.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Greg diverted more than $2 billion from the insurance companies. He bought money which was held in a trust to pay future insurance claims into loans and securities for himself. So this money was to pay future insurance claims?

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And he decided he was gonna divert it to his own loans and securities for himself. So then he went to gamble on the stock market as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he had took these people's insurance money and was like, I can guarantee you won't get paid.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

If you file a claim, it's a

[B]

little piggy bank for him.

[A]

He forgave more than $125 million in loans to himself from the insurance companies he controlled.

[B]

How can you do that? How can. Why is there no oversight?

[A]

He overseeing himself, and he looked at himself and he said, it was all on the up and up. Who's.

[B]

Who's policing the police?

[A]

Nobody. So between 2016 and 2019, multiple insurance companies controlled by Greg were placed in rehabilitation or liquidation. Thousands of individual policyholders and other victims were collectively still owed more than $1 billion.

[B]

What?

[A]

In one of the largest insurance frauds in US history. So he was stealing from himself, but he had acquired all these companies. And when you think about it, if you're gonna acquire a company at a value and then know that everyone's paying in constantly, like, it's kind of the best company to acquire if you wanna embezzle from your own company.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause everybody's paying in. That's right. And really. And it's. Insurance is a Ponzi scheme. You really don't get caught until people start calling for a payout.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly.

[A]

So, I mean, he had a great strategy here. Some victims may be paid back at least partially, but many others died before the case was resolved.

[B]

Oof.

[A]

I know roughly 30,000 victims died before recovering money tied to the scheme.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, my thing is, like, if they died, can their relatives come for that money?

[B]

I feel like you should.

[A]

Somebody had to pay for that fume.

[B]

Yes. That individual is connected to a family.

[A]

Right. We didn't bury Grandma loose. We got her pine box, somebody.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

At least the cost of a Costco casket.

[B]

There should be a claim. There should be a claim. But what happened in this case, the claims just died with them.

[A]

Yeah. About 30,000 of them.

[B]

See, that's when you know insurance. It's a scam, truly.

[A]

I mean, did you know that you can age out of life insurance?

[B]

Oh. When you're too old, they don't want to pay for your body.

[A]

Like, they'll just stop covering you. Can you live longer than they believe?

[B]

But you just paid so much money. Okay, see, this is why, like, people are so mad. Like, even after the Eaton and Palisades fires, so many people have been been denied their, like, legitimate claims for fire insurance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so it's like, what are you even doing?

[A]

And in Malibu, you can't even get insurance at a lot of places, a lot of homes.

[B]

No. There's, like, a federal thing. So, you know, part of me is like. It's almost like they're like, we're gonna set up an insurance scheme so that basically the worst thing that can happen to you that would make us pay this out. We'll just wish and hope that it doesn't. And then we should just sit on our, you know, as fat cats on this money. Just use it as a personal piggy bank like that. That's how it feels.

[A]

That's what it is. And that's why my insurance company hits me like my health insurance hits me up, like, oh, let's do your annual physical. Or like. And not like I go to the doctor, but it's like one that they want to do through the insurance company. And I never do it because I'm like, I'm like, I know you're nefarious as fuck. You don't care about my health. And either way, if I do this, it's gonna be bad for me. I don't know how yet, but I know that for sure.

[B]

But do you HEAR how like 100%, like, that's what we need, universal healthcare. Because if you have a profit motive when it comes to health, you're not showing up because you don't wanna be dinged. Like, you don't wanna increase your personal costs. You don't wanna have them deny you care. Like, come on.

[A]

Right second I tell em a hoe got asthma, they gonna be like, oh,

[B]

well, we had to up your rates. Listen, when I was 21, start a socialist collective. So I just need you to know this is who I am.

[A]

I love this. I love this. Look at all these gems just seeping out. Okay? I'm joining Jenny's cult.

[B]

You didn't even know. You didn't even know this.

[A]

She has a great pizza maker. And that's honestly all I needed was her and her husband's pizza maker for me to join the cult.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I'm there. I'm in there. Like swimwear. So one victim of Gregg's couldn't pay for her murdered son's funeral. See, another family lost access to more than $600,000 in savings while their daughter underwent cancer treatment. But Greg needed the money himself. Cause he had big plans.

[B]

For what?

[A]

I mean, listen, Greg needed the money more than these, these grieving families.

[B]

Cause he needs to like, what? Invest in sunscreen? Cause he's so pale. Does he need to color his red hair to be even redder? What does he.

[A]

Right, what does he need? Cause he's got a river of mud. His ex wife, Tisha. Refer. I was gonna say Tisha, but I was like, ain't no way she's Tisha.

[B]

I felt that. I felt that coming from you too.

[A]

I was like, ain't no way she a Tisha. Not with this man. Okay, but she could be a Tisha because, you know, there's a. There's a joke of Close your ears if you don't play. Y' all can listen, but don't. Don't be trying to tell the joke. But you know, the black community, we talk about how like if there's like a black woman, like in an expensive place with like a really, really bad wig, she's most likely with like the super richest white dude. Like all you have to do to get a rich old white dude is just wear like the stiffest wig you got and go to a hotel, a nice hotel bar. And then wha. Bam. Next thing you know, you're in the Maldives.

[B]

Mm. Yeah, it's a stereotype, but, you know, sometimes stereotypes have little trouble.

[A]

Listen, hard wig, soft life. That's what they're saying. So his ex wife, Tisha, referred to his spending as a river of money that flowed through his more than 300 personal companies. The couple's home in Durham was regularly staffed with tennis and martial arts trainers, nannies, and security personnel, each making tens of thousands of dollars per year, according to court documents.

[B]

Martial arts trainer? What does this white man got to do with a martial arts trainer?

[A]

This one, you know, you got too much money.

[B]

This is, See, this is when. This is when I need to be a better scammer because I need to just use up. Use this round Asian face and just tell people I could teach them kung fu.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you could. Definitely.

[B]

I need to make that money.

[A]

Come on, Mrs. Miyake.

[B]

Martial arts training.

[A]

Go join a pet store, get a few grasshoppers. You know, that's the. That's the end of the retreat, is they gotta grab the grasshopper. If they don't, they gotta go back to level one and pay again.

[B]

What kind, what kind of kung fu you trying to do in Durham, North Carolina? I'm asking for you North Carolinas.

[A]

Oh, you know, these kung fu instructors are not Asian

[B]

ass.

[A]

I don't even know why you thought that. Okay, this is Sensei Tom. Okay?

[B]

Not Sensei Tom.

[A]

Okay, thank you, Sensei Chad. Like, this is a side they ain't never seen.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

The couple's lifestyle was so extravagant that in their separation, Lindenberg was ordered to pay $60,000 a month in child support. Linda Burke is Greg. 60k a month in child support for his three children. So when they split up, she got 60k for the three kids. That's 20k a child a month.

[B]

I mean, fair.

[A]

Look, they gotta keep up their lifestyle. Somebody's gotta pay the martial arts trainer. And like. Okay, I like that. Tisha got outta here, though. She did get divorced. Good. Yeah, so she. I think she saw the river was just flowing a little too fast.

[B]

That's right. Mackenzie Bezos says she right.

[A]

She was next to denial, but she wasn't in denial.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Okay. She was like, let me. Let me get what I can get. Cause I know we doing crime. We.

[B]

I don't know anything, but I do know this smells shady.

[A]

Right? So after their divorce in 2019, Greg used about $30 million of stolen money on private jets. $21 million in connection with various women. Okay. $21 million, shout out to the house.

[B]

That is a good per capita kind of bill. Okay, 21 million divided by how many?

[A]

We don't know. It says various.

[B]

Various is five. Let's say five.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

21 million across five. That's about $4 million each and change per hoe.

[A]

Better put that cooche to good work. Okay.

[B]

Good work.

[A]

And look, there's only so much honey horny honey Greg can suck on. I bet you it was prick cushion gift. Probably just played a lot of doubles

[B]

tennis and just wearing tight dresses. That's it.

[A]

He also spent $12 million on yacht expenses. You know how you have to do your yacht expenses? And this was including boat trips to Ibiza. That's where we know them. Various women came from. It's a lot of baddies in Evita. Okay. And they will get on your boat.

[B]

That's right. They love an international water cruise.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, there's no rules in international waters.

[A]

Yeah. And that's not why they're doing it. It's just like a bonus. Added bonus.

[B]

What kind of life is this, Greg, trying to live? I don't understand. This is where I don't understand rich people. Sometimes even fake rich people. It's like, how much relaxation and luxury can you really. Can you really stand?

[A]

I think it gets boring after a while. And also, you have to remember that once you're. I kind of think about it. Like, I think about my age bracket when I turned 30, all of a sudden, I never. I didn't know anybody in their 20s, right. Like, I do not know anybody in their 20s other than my little sister. And when my little sister moved here to go to college, I was going to Ireland to shoot. And I was, like, kind of, like, panicked. Cause I only really had, like, a month to help her get settled in before I was gonna disappear for four months. So I was like, I gotta find her some, like, young, like, friends in the 20s. Who's popping? And then I sat and I thought. Thought about it really hard. I was like, I don't know anyone below the age of 29.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, listen, it happens.

[A]

And that's how it goes with, like, billionaires. Like, eventually you don't know anybody who like, remembers what a bill looks like.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Who's even held one in their hand.

[B]

But that's why they get so bored. Cause you can only luxuriate and stimulate yourself so much. Like, you know, I have a lot of friends who are either chefs or food writers. I have a friend who traveled the world for 50 best bars, drinking the finest in cocktails. And they are out here. They will experience palate fatigue. It's called palate fatigue.

[A]

When your mouth had too much good stuff.

[B]

Exactly. It starts to taste the same and you just get desensitized. So I need these rich people to stop stealing from the rest of us. Hoarding all that wealth, hoarding all that dopamine and just spread it around.

[A]

Cause it's not making you happy. And I don't understand why. If you're poor, it's hoarding, but when you're rich, it's like an accomplishment.

[B]

That's right. Right.

[A]

Like you don't need all that money. Just like Homegirl on tlc don't need all them chachkes. Y' all both don't need either of all of those things. But now it's something to impress your weird ass friends. That's why you got people like Harlan Crow who collect. That's. Harlan Crow is Clarence Thomas and Sugar Daddy. Oh, that's right.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

The Nazi enthusiast who love to collect Nazi memorabilia. Slave memorabilia.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And he like brings people over to his house to like look at old spoons. And I'm like, how dull are you that your personality has to be collecting things that only have value because your boring ass attributed it to have value.

[B]

Well, and also that you have to pay people to come look at your spoons. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Robbery.

[B]

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[B]

See?

[A]

Oh. And he wanted to fund research to extend human life. Not all humans. Just the rich ones.

[B]

Just him. This is the problem. When rich people become so out of touch, they think they're gods. They want to live as a God.

[A]

I don't wanna wish evil on anybody, but I do think that when certain ultra rich people get diseases, it does benefit society. I'm not even lying. Cause when one of the Koch brothers had pancreatic cancer. Do you know how far he took pancreatic cancer research? Because he was throwing so much money at him.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And then everybody else got to benefit from that. Okay, so you know what? You can be a billionaire, but you need to get a rare incurable disease so that we can finally get somebody to work on it.

[B]

That's right. And share the results of that. Because some people, they'll hoard the know.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we need to know. We need to know what you're up to. Valhalla on Earth is so strange. Like, this is how you know you have too much money. You're left alone with your thoughts. Too much. Like, there's nobody around you who's like, bro, what you talking about?

[B]

Are you high?

[A]

I feel like there's nobody in his life who's ever like, are you high, bro?

[B]

He doesn't want to die. And that's why we need to make friends with Jess.

[A]

Ooh, wow.

[B]

I'm saying this is spiritually and emotionally.

[A]

I'm not about to be homies. With, no, it's not. I'm about to have the most embarrassing death you've ever seen, Jenny. When I die, I'm going out kicking and screaming. It's not gonna be. No. Hopefully it's peacefully in my bed. But like there will not be a dignified death. I'm not gonna be like, I'm ready to go. I love you all. No, I'm like, get away from me.

[B]

Angels snap off Jesus. But for me it's more about like, I want to live my life knowing that it might not be tomorrow, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I feel like spiritually that helps me.

[A]

Now I will say I do think about death every day, same. So that does help me and also depress me. I wake up in the morning, I'm like, woo, we made it.

[B]

We are comedians, right?

[A]

I read a statistic once that was like, you're more likely to die before 11am So I was like, woo, made it past 11am we out here, we

[B]

out here, we out here.

[A]

You ain't taking me today.

[B]

And you gotta get through like winter holidays. You just gotta get, make it through winter.

[A]

That's a big death doozy. It's the winter holidays.

[B]

That's right. So this man needs to just make friends with death.

[A]

Well, unfortunately for you, Jenny, he trying to live forever.

[B]

He's still alive.

[A]

Overall, Greg aimed at having $100 billion net worth and the ability to live to 120 years old. A December 2024 report by Bloomberg News said that Greg sought to father as many as 50 children.

[B]

Is he Elon Musk? What is happening? Do they all have the same playbook?

[A]

Oh, they're all, they got the same ketamine dealer.

[B]

Look at him.

[A]

Cause they all seem like they've been in the same K hole. Like they ran into each other and

[B]

they're like, Elon, these photos of them, these weird billionaires, they either look like they're on uppers or downers. What is happening?

[A]

Also, I'm sorry, if you have that much money, you can't be ugly. Like, how are you ugly when you have this much money?

[B]

It's so upsetting when his hair looks like a 90s sitcom kid.

[A]

Cause you know the saying, like, you're not ugly, you're just poor. You know what I mean? Like, so if, if you like, why are you still ugly?

[B]

Sir, if you can't see his, his, his hair, it basically looks like a redhead bowl cut. But he just brushed it back.

[A]

Yeah, like he brushed it back and then he put the bowl on.

[B]

It looks Like a mushroom cap.

[A]

It does look like a mushroom cap.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Which is also on. Okay, so Greg wanted 50 children, so he said, nick Cannon, hold my.

[B]

Hold my beer. Hold my beer, hold my GLP1 peptides.

[A]

Right? Cause I'm coming for it. And so through. Like, he wanted to do this through a sprawling network of egg donors and surrogates. So also, he wanted to borrow women's wombs for those. Genetics. Genetics. Those genetics should not procreate, bro. Like, it's gotta end with you.

[B]

I am so mad. This is where I get my, like, fucking Marxist rage coming out. Because this motherfucker, he is out here trying to repopulate the Earth like he's Genghis Khan.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And he's rigging the economy so that regular everyday folks are so depressed and have no hope for the future. No one's having babies. But he's out here trying to repopulate. I do not want you to live on this island with him.

[A]

No, not at all. Also, your genetics aren't giving. Sir, we do not need more of you. We don't.

[B]

This is when I become a total, like, genetic. Genetic supremacist. I just become just like. I hate your recessive genes, sir. Greg, what is his last name?

[A]

Oh, what? Start. Lindenberg.

[B]

His last name sounds like a cheese. I do not want no men with last names that sound like stinky cheeses to populate the Earth. No, thank you.

[A]

And he was specifically pursuing, to your point, women with blonde hair and blue eyes.

[B]

So he is a supremacist.

[A]

Yeah, he was looking for Aryan. He was looking for the Aryans, which is so recessive that it's very rare to find adults who have naturally blonde hair. Like, they have it as children. And some adults grow up and continue to have it, but it usually turns. But, like, the whole Aryan thing. Sir, please. We've already proven that there's no supreme race. And if there was, it definitely ain't the Ariel, bro. The sun can kill. Y' all be for real.

[B]

Spf, right?

[A]

I ain't say nobody. I ain't say. I'm saying nobody's superior. But I'm saying if they was gonna try to rank. I just feel like, Ariel, y' all got the sun gonna hurt your eyes, your hair, your skin. You know, I don't know if it's y'. All.

[B]

Gun to my head, I'm ranking. Gun to my head, I'm ranking.

[A]

So Bloomberg reported that at least 25 women were tied to the operation, with some alleged that they were manip or deceit alleged that they were manipulated or deceived into donating eggs that Lindbergh Greg used after being told they would go to an anonymous infertile couple.

[B]

He just scams on every level.

[A]

So you ain't even pay these women for they eggs.

[B]

He is using people's goodwill and desire to help others. He's abusing. He's manipulating them.

[A]

Truly. I mean, that's what stores do to us when they be like, do you wanna donate to this charity? Am I gonna get the write off or are you.

[B]

Exactly, go.

[A]

So. But do not donate to the charity. There's some charities that, you know, go direct. Yeah. If you see like Trevor Project pop up a lot on the screen, go ahead and donate to Trevor yourself. Okay. You know what I mean? You see St. Jude's go ahead and donate to them babies yourself on the website. But you don't need to do it at Walgreens.

[B]

Greg really was like, donate to the cause. And the cause is me.

[A]

So Greg, who has 12 children, spent lavishly to recruit women through yacht parties. Not the yacht girls. Oh, no. Matchmaking services. We know what those are. And luxury events while operating a surveillance apparatus that conducted background checks and monitoring on prospective romantic partners.

[B]

Can I just tell you right now, what you just described in a nutshell is the kind of world that these billionaires are forcing on the rest of us. Yeah, think about that. What you just. The surveillance, the transactionalness of humanity, the

[A]

truth, the children, they tricking women out of their wombs.

[B]

This is why they are taking over the world right now. And they're just shoving AI down our throats, the surveillance state down our throats. They just want to make everything that, whatever that is the most bleak, the most bleak vision of humanity right there. They want to impose that on the rest of us. And I hate it.

[A]

I hate it because, I mean, I like to think about it in terms of either airlines or even fast food chains. Once Spirit Airlines and other low budget airlines join, joined the game and started, and now they're low. Their low pricing was still like dynamic pricing. It was like you. Yeah, you get a cheap ticket, but when you get to the airport, they're gonna nickel and dime you. Right. So it might end up being like a layaway for a flight. You might end up paying what you would have paid up front for, you know, like a Delta or an American Airlines or whatever like that. Right. That's not. Not a budget airline.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But when Spirit started doing that, people started flying. Delta immediately looked at Spirit and was like, oh, these people will take anything to get in the sky. Why are we providing Amen, right?

[B]

Like we need to upcharge people like,

[A]

they're not even Delta. Not gonna give you a biscoff cookie if you fly in under three hours. Like, if you flying from LAX to sfo, they say you can't get a biscoff no more. They ain't gonna give you a drink either.

[B]

Is that the world we wanna live in?

[A]

Better wet your own whistle. I remember you could be in coach when I was a kid and get a hot meal.

[B]

I remember this too.

[A]

Right? Then they said, no, y' all second class citizens, okay? We gonna strap you to the back.

[B]

We won't even give you a dry ass cookie.

[A]

Right? You want a seat belt that's extra. So Greg denied wrongdoing. Cuz remember there's like 25 women who came out and were like, we've been bamboozled. Led astray, like, we hate you. He denied wrongdoing and later sued Bloomberg's reporters for defamation. That lawsuit was dismissed in 2025. I'm sorry. I love that y' all love to sue for defamation when you're rich because they told the truth about you. Like, that's not defamation, baby. That's how you saying things I don't want people to know.

[B]

That's. That's right. It's truthful though. Oh, well, sorry.

[A]

Right. So bribes. When North Carolina insurance regulators started poking around, Greg tried to bribe the state commissioner of insurance, Mike Causey, with $200 million to stop interfering. Between April 2017 and August 2018, Greg and others funneled millions of dollars in campaign contributions and other benefits to North Carolina's insurance commissioner with the explicit goal of having senior deputy commissioner removed. So rem, they tried to bribe the other one. He wasn't taking the bribe. So now like billionaires do, they're getting involved in politics so that they can get their Spencer Pratt into office. That's right, so that they can have their, you know, criminal, loser, empty headed, you know, puppet, like you said. So, yeah, that official had been responsible for regulating Greg's insurance group. Right? So they're like, we gotta get him outta here. Cause he actually trying to do his job in the government. And like, how dare he? We're rich. What you mean you trying to do your.

[B]

You mean I can't get what I want?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How?

[A]

Also, like, you're an idiot for trying to bribe somebody with $200 million. How would that man in politics under heavy scrutiny ever be able to explain a windfall of $200 million.

[B]

Doesn't make sense.

[A]

No. He was gonna go to jail. So a memoir, okay.

[B]

He wrote a memoir.

[A]

I mean, oh lord. Greg and three others were indicted on bribery charges. In 2019. He was convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

Two years into his sentence, a judge overturned his con and he was released and granted a retrial.

[B]

I'm about to flip this table.

[A]

Who was that judge? How much money did they get here to flip this whole mountain table?

[B]

I'm going to flip this mounted in ground table.

[A]

So, you know, after he did his beat, he wrote a memoir called 633 Days Inside.

[B]

Stop it. Is he making himself a victim?

[A]

Yeah. And he started making YouTube videos on self help and dieting techniques. We got one of his YouTube videos right here.

[B]

Top it.

[A]

I don't know about self help, but he know how to help himself to your money.

[B]

A simple technique. If you are facing a grave threat, start fasting.

[A]

Going to prison is the unknown. You're afraid of everything in prison. And the summer of 2021, I started fasting. His hair looks a little better here. As of 6pm tonight, I've done 51 fasts of over 90 hours in a row every week for 51 weeks. So an eating disorder.

[B]

Wait, can you pause it real quick? There is a little note on the bottom as he's talking that says, as I share my experiences with intermittent fasting and theories on quantum physics, why he's a quantum physicist. Now, I acknowledge that I am not a medical professional and that one should always consult with a physician before undertaking intermittent fasting and making other drastic changes to their diet and lifestyle. You talking about quantum physics?

[A]

What does that have to do with starving yourself? Like it's so wild to me. Like I think that's one of the biggest scams about. And I hate this for men, but this is the prison that they put themselves in is like ED is not recognized in men like it is in women. And like with men, like it's like those bros who are like eating boiled chicken and talking about gains. Baby. That is, that is disordered eating. And I know that some people intermittent fast, but it usually means like they'll like eat during a certain part of the day and that's all. Which I still think is a little.

[B]

Eh, I know.

[A]

But at least they're eating meals. But he's talking about starving himself and quantum physics because you know how they work together.

[B]

I'm good.

[A]

So we're good on that video. I feel like his spirit Gonna jump out of the screen or something. So he was convicted again on the same bribery charge in 2024.

[B]

His rap sheet doesn't end. It is a CVS receipt.

[A]

Yes. And in 2026, he was convicted of fraud and money laundering for the $2 billion insurance scheme. So in 2024, it was just another bribery. He said bribery worked out so well, I went to prison. Let me do it again, sir. Bribing didn't work for you the first time. Why would you get out and bribe again? He's.

[B]

It's pathological. There's no rehabilitating.

[A]

And there's the ego of it all. Once you get a certain amount of money, you think nothing is off limits, out of reach, out of touch. You think you can treat people any kind of way, and you think you're above the lock and you can just buy the law. And in a lot of cases, they do.

[B]

And he's probably a terrible lay.

[A]

Oh, for sure, for sure.

[B]

Not that I'm thinking about it, but, like, for him to have 12 babies.

[A]

Well, we don't know how many are, like, in vitro or whatever.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

But also, like, he just doesn't seem like he's good at quite literally anything.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And if he ain't eating all the time, how he got energy to bone? Definitely not Valhalla.

[B]

He wants a harem.

[A]

This is ridiculous. Like, sir. And who are you to think you deserve anybody's coochie? Like, sorry, beef. So, for real. So letters from his supporters?

[B]

Yeah, he has supporters. Well, he did have 794 subscribers to his YouTube channel.

[A]

Yeah, so? So he at least has 795 supporters. Global.

[B]

You rounded up. That's very generous.

[A]

The global, Eli Global. So he has some letters from supporters at his fraud sentencing. Greg submitted letters from these people. People in hopes. In hopes for leniency. Former inmates who knew him from prison wrote letters on his behalf. Not the inmates. Now, I don't know. I don't know what weight an inmate letter is gonna hold.

[B]

You know how much those fellow inmate letters have pulled, right?

[A]

It's me, Johnny Three Stabs. And I think Greg is a great guy.

[B]

Like, I don't know who's Johnny 3st stabs.

[A]

It only take him 3 stabs to kill you. But he knows Greg is a good guy.

[B]

Is that. Is that, like, a thing to brag about? That you could kill someone in three stabs? I feel like that's like Johnny One take for actors.

[A]

So he also had an ex drug dealer named Willie Colon who Wrote him a letter. And Greg, they said that Greg helped him and other prisoners learn financial and life skills needed to turn their lives around after they were released.

[B]

Listen, this is 100%. I see the picture of this man. He did his whole YouTube channel to be about wellness and self help. Cause he is a malignant narcissist who believes that he has the answer for everything. And he's a white man. So he's showing up in prison and he's just like, white, manning his way into becoming a guru for a Willie Colon.

[A]

I do kind of love that. He never stopped.

[B]

He never stopped.

[A]

He was like, prison's not gonna stop me from grifting. But also, also something I really wish that people could get out of their heads is that having wealth or hoarding wealth equals intelligence. Right. A lot of rich people are not smart.

[B]

Yeah. People have this weird myth that Let it go. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I don't need advice like, listen, will I tell you who I'm voting for? Yes. Am I pretty savvy in politics? Absolutely. Am I a politician? No.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

But like, at the same time, like, I think I have a very smart, genius brain when it comes to comedy and things that I. Now, am I gonna walk into your OR and perform open heart surgery on you?

[B]

No, no, no. I'd rather you not.

[A]

Right. Like, I don't understand this all around genius thing. When people amass a bunch of money, it's like, no, they're too smart for that. And also, you're calling yourself dumb for not having as much money as they do, when really it's probably that you weren't born with it or you're not a murderer.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Cause you have to do one, two, or both. So after they were released, he said that he put them on to all of the financial stuff that they needed. It sound like y' all learned how to be better criminals in prison. Although I'm not really taking financial advice from somebody who's for financial crimes. But at this time, he was only in there for bribery.

[B]

Honestly, he's just teaching them, like, sort of rich white people culture. That is value.

[A]

I would take the course.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

I would take the course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So with four years in jail time credit, he will be released in 2034 after he serves eight years, and then he will be 63 when he gets out. So still fairly young enough to continue doing crime.

[B]

I mean, we got Nancy Pelosi, Trump out here getting well into their 90s, just hanging on for dear life. Do not want to retire because they

[A]

got that good government health care they won't give you.

[B]

This man has two to three more decades.

[A]

So of course Greg is seeking a pardon from Trump.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Has recently pardoned other white collar criminals, including one of the people involved in Greg's separate bribery case from the North Carolina Republican chairman. So remember, they tried to bribe the chairman.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So his homie who tried to bribe the chairman, got a pardon from Trump. So he was like, me next. I'm next in line. I also did a bribery and would like to be released from. Let me out with the January 6ers. So Jenny, what are your thoughts about Greg's overall scheme here? So we had. He. He bought up all these insurance companies, then he siphoned all the money out of them and he's playing with it on the stock market and he was paying loans. He got some baller houses. He. He did have a wife who he was treated very nice. Well, with money, we don't know how

[B]

he treated his wife.

[A]

He tricked a bunch of women into donating eggs, which you should get paid for that, babe. So don't ever give up an egg for free, okay? There's plenty of people who pay for that egg if it's like right age bracket.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And also I'm not sticking hormones into my body to juice up my ovulation to give away my egg for free

[B]

to some random ass. Greg.

[A]

Hell no. But they thought it was going to adoptive families.

[B]

Can I just say, I have not enjoyed any of his schemes. His schemes weren't even creative or fun. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, his schemes are just so boring. It's so just like I need to feel like a powerful big man of the universe, master of the universe. And I'm over it because I've. I've spent the last 15 years looking at news about men like this.

[A]

Yeah, it feels like he had like all of the billionaires crimes or weird, you know, gross quirks like on a Pinterest board. And then that was like how he. He copied his personality.

[B]

Yes. He kind of pasted like he.

[A]

He's not collecting anything weird. He's just doing the yachts, the Ibiza, the Elon, get everybody pregnant. You know, like he's not. There's nothing original about anything that he's.

[B]

Nothing original. Listen, and if there was, it didn't get. It didn't see the light of day. So who knows? But it's a real copy and paste Epstein class thing. And I'm over it.

[A]

Honestly, Greg, I'm disappointed that you didn't give us more razzle dazzle.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

None of these purchases are interesting. You didn't do anything that we haven't seen before. You're dry, you're boring. Your hair is weird. We've seen you before. Boo. Boo. Tomato, tomato. You're not even fun to lose. Listen to. As a fucking scam. Because what. What was. What. What did you do that we haven't seen done before?

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Mediocre scammer.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Mediocre.

[B]

Mediocre.

[A]

Mediocre.

[B]

Yeah. This guy didn't even think to, like, become a wellness guru. Bad enough and grifty enough to, like, start his own goop. Yeah, start your own goop.

[A]

He has no followers. He had what, seven.

[B]

A little over 794.

[A]

794 followers.

[B]

YouTube subscribers.

[A]

YouTube subscribers.

[B]

I barely do my YouTube and I have more than one.

[A]

He's talking about intermittent fasting. Like it's something he made up. You didn't make that up when you went to jail, Bookie.

[B]

It's called you didn't like the food, so you probably didn't eat it, right?

[A]

Like, I'm sorry. Like how you go invit.

[B]

Boo. There's no original boo this man. There's no innovation. There's no originality. All right? It's boring.

[A]

Like, give us something, loser. All right, well, it's time to move on to the last segment here before I let Jenny go.

[B]

We.

[A]

We're gonna do scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan that may or may not be worthy of our parades. Hopefully they're doing something more interesting than Greg's old boring ass. A Chinese born climate activist named Shangli Sophia Luo. Wait, how do you say L U o Mm Luo. Luo. So Shangli Sophia Luo was trying to sex blackmail Milwaukee Bucks co Wes Eden. So this is our Sophia right here. She's a baddie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. She's like, look at those high heels. Look at those legs.

[B]

The legs, the hair. Okay? The nose job. I see it from afar.

[A]

I do see it from afar. She's eating. And so she was trying to blackmail this guy, Wes Eden. And he looks, like, blackmailable. And also, like, he has more money than he knows what to do with and is drinking way too much bourbon. Cause, baby, your favorite is bloated.

[B]

It's Milwaukee. Listen, my guy, my. My partner is from Milwaukee. He's a white man from Milwaukee. And for them, they're what we can't

[A]

do that to all the Milwaukee white culture.

[B]

Is alcoholism over there?

[A]

Milwaukee, right in. Y' all got some sexy people over there.

[B]

Wisconsin cultures. Alcoholism.

[A]

Is that a shadow on his hand or do he got the Trump hand?

[B]

Oh, no, that's a shadow on his hand.

[A]

Oh, okay. I was like, he need to see about that.

[B]

So he got scammed. He. He looks very scammable.

[A]

He does.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so she tried to do this with AI images after their one night stand. Then she discovered she'd contracted an STD and demanded more money, which is when the plan unraveled. Okay, so Sophia, 46. Okay. At least he hunching on age appropriate women. Right. She's 46 and she runs the New York based nonprofit One World Initiative Advocacy. I don't know what that means, but if I was running a scammy nonprofit, that's a great name. One world doing a global thing. Again, One World. Okay. Initiative. That means we trying. We putting forth initiative advocacy. We are speaking for the people that we are initiating around the world. Help for.

[B]

Do you remember those magnetic poetry kits you put on your refrigerator? It sounds like she came up with the name with like a magnetic poetry kit.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She just moved some words around.

[A]

Yeah, one. So they know we all together, girl.

[B]

Cause every worldwide, he could have just dropped one of the words One World Advocacy or One World Initiative.

[A]

But no. Yeah, but no. They were like two for razzle dazzle. Maximum impact. So archived versions of their website call for net zero emissions by 2050 and describe climate change as the number one issue facing humanity. Now these things are true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I don't understand how you are promising net zero emissions by 2050. And if I give you my money, how are you like, are you fighting people at the gas pump like. Like you standing next to the diesel pump and you just like scrapping the trucker. Like, how are you gonna stop this from happening?

[B]

Yeah, that sounds like a charity scam.

[A]

It sounds. Yeah, like, it sounds like very expensive galas where, you know, people like have like $10,000 plates and nobody ever knows what the money actually went to.

[B]

But they got a tax break and they. They got a tax break.

[A]

WES is a 64 year old wall street billionaire who made his money working for Lehman Brothers and BlackRock private equity firms. So he has experience with SC.

[B]

Absolutely, yes.

[A]

Like, honestly, I'm on her side now. Cause as soon as you said black rock, Lehman Brothers, bro. This is scam on. Scam.

[B]

Exactly. This is a scam on scam. Hate crimes.

[A]

You know, y' all The Spider man meme. Y' all looking at each other.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

So Sophia slid into Wes LinkedIn DMs.

[B]

That's what you do. That's what you do.

[A]

I have a friend who got married off of LinkedIn DMs.

[B]

We are out here. All the corporate scammers are scamming through LinkedIn. And I'm here, here for it. If you're not hurting us, hurt each other.

[A]

Go for it. And also, I feel like LinkedIn is a good place to slide in a DM. Cause at least you know they got a job. And you could check the date.

[B]

That's right. You can cross reference on that.

[A]

As long as it still says present.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Like, yes, mama present. Let me slide in these DMs. Okay. Will you recommend me?

[B]

Not a recommendation.

[A]

Listen, Lecture just had the some layoffs. Somebody tweeted, not the job store running out of jobs. I was like, it's bad out here. So Sophia slid in the DMs. Then Sophia threatened to share compromising videos and pictures of him. You sending dick on LinkedIn?

[B]

Excuse me, is that where we're at?

[A]

Society has completely collapsed? What are you.

[B]

Me? Listen, I heard that Tinder and Bumble have let us down.

[A]

But. But Dick on LinkedIn showing whole on LinkedIn is crazy. But also, give me a recommendation.

[B]

LinkedIn is so, so hilarious because I'm not even that on it because I'm not like a corporate agent, but I get these, like, emails still from like, friends with their news and their recommendations and shit. And I'm just like, what is happening? I don't need you to recommend hole.

[A]

Would you recommend this hole to your current employer?

[B]

You just got to email me.

[A]

No. If I ever get a LinkedIn nude, it's over. It's over.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

So In May of 2024, Sophia went or sent two letters to west via imessage accusing him of having misled her in order to have sex with her. And having sex with her while she was still mentally incapacitated or mentally disabled. She said her home had cameras and threatened to release the footage to the media if he did not pay her.

[B]

Oh, I don't know.

[A]

What mentally just. I think if you're mentally disabled, it's like a permanent. I thought it was like a permanent.

[B]

Incapacitated is different. Incapacitated seems temporary.

[A]

Yeah, that's temporary. But she said, and. Or, okay. And that's like being a little bit pregnant. Like, I feel like I get incapacitated. You can get Your faculties back.

[B]

But she seems like an andor kind of gal. Cause she.

[A]

She's covering the gamut. You're right. Yeah. She's like, let me throw in everything. I was also temporarily handicapped. Like, okay, she threw in all the kitchen sink. They initially reached a settlement of $6 million before she discovered that she'd contracted HPV from the encounter and asked for more money. That's when west decided to turn her over to the authorities.

[B]

Okay. She just. She flew too close to the sun.

[A]

What I'm trying to understand is if she really did contract hpv.

[B]

It's hard to tell because sometimes in men, HPV is, like, dormant.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. But you'll. You can still get it.

[A]

Yeah. No, I'm not saying I'm wondering if she lied about contract. I know it's very much. You can definitely get it.

[B]

And HPV is very common, so.

[A]

Gardasil kids.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

But I'm not sure if she's lying about the hpv. Do we care?

[B]

Are we quibbling over that? For all our scamming, there's no.

[A]

This is not about the sexually transmitted of it all. Anyway. These things exist. I'm not shaming that. I'm just wondering if she was like, oh, I'm scamming him for 6 million, but he actually did actually do something.

[B]

Maybe. Yeah.

[A]

And then I want more money because I have a legitimate claim.

[B]

Right? It does. You can get cervical cancer from hiv.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's a real consequence.

[A]

So when federal agents arrived at Sophia's Manhattan apartment, because, remember, he called the feds on her. They had a search warrant. She ignored their calls, texts, and knocks on the door until a building maintenance worker let them inside. The search turned up multiple cell phones. One hidden in a dirty laundry and another with sanitary pads and digital gloves. I will say you hid this right. For a man. They really was. It must have been a woman in that FBI squad. Cause why they checking your tampon box? Men are scared of tamp. There was a lady on that FBI squad. Dirty laundry and tampons. She knew where to look.

[B]

That's why DEI is a real thing.

[A]

Okay. That's why you need us.

[B]

You bring value. We bring value.

[A]

Cause I feel like the men FBI would have flipped a couple mattresses over, pulled all the drawers out and dumped them on the ground. Pulled everything out in the closet, kicked the TV over and left.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

The woman was like. If I was a woman, where would I hide these things?

[B]

I would put my phone in a period pad.

[A]

Tampon box is good. They must have told her motherfucking place. God damn. They were squeezing her toothpaste out the tube. Shit. For real, though? Yikes. So they also found multiple. So they found the multiple cell phones, right? They also found digital drives. And she allegedly had edited photos showing Wes's face on the body of another man during sexual activities.

[B]

Oh, is this pre. Is this pre generative?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, so. So they. They figured it out. That's real easy to deep fake a situation like that.

[A]

Yeah. Now, generative AI wasn't as popular, right? Because we're talking a few years ago. Yeah, yeah. But

[B]

see, this is the thing. I. I don't falter for any of this.

[A]

Well, it's made 2024, so yes, it was popping.

[B]

I don't falter for any of this. So far, all I'm hearing is scam on scam crime.

[A]

Yeah, this is scam on scam crime. And. And she did have sex with this nasty. So I feel like $6 million for boning this nasty. Have that memory of him on top of you. That's why I always tell people if you go on dating apps, that's. That's the thing that I would do. I just. I don't have the attention span for it. But when I would. And I was swiping past people, I would, like, lay down sometimes and hold the phone over my face. And then sometimes I get a jump scare.

[B]

Like, ah.

[A]

Like, I could not imagine this person on top of me, and I had to scroll, just scroll past. I'm not trying to bone them right away, but sometimes, like, I'll, like, be like, oh, maybe I'll do a personality. And like, they don't have to be that cute. And then. And then I'm like, I can't do that no more. If I gonna be done dirty, the person is gonna be hot.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[A]

If I'm gonna be in a bad relationship, we're. They're gonna be hot as fuck. Okay.

[B]

This is your new boundary?

[A]

Yeah, that's my new boundary. Okay. Nothing worse than an uggo doing you dirty. And I've been there.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Nothing worse. Like, how dare you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she was doctoring the videos. She was arrested at JFK airport last year as she was trying to board a flight to Hong Kong. She was bailed out by Robin Emmy Mui.

[B]

Mui.

[A]

Mui. She was bailed out by Robin Mui, a Chinese executive at a US Based newspaper and is under house arrest at an apartment on Park Avenue. I know that's Right. She went from one rich man to another. Now, this is who. Oh, now, arguably, Wes was a little better looking than this guy. Baby, we going downhill.

[B]

Listen.

[A]

But he got her out of the clink.

[B]

Yeah. That's worth a lot of money.

[A]

And now she's on Park Avenue.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I would hate to have to just bone uglies for my coins. That's the problem.

[B]

You need to make sure that they. If they have all the money in the world, that they get that Jennifer Lopez, you know, talent for plastic surgery and injections.

[A]

Yeah. Something. Or like, it's just gotta be very, very dark.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like, very. Like. Like you can't even see. Like, you gotta feel your way to the bed.

[B]

But here's the thing.

[A]

Like, we go in the room with our clothes on, we shut off all the lights, we close the blackout curtains like it's pitch black. And then we feel our way to the bed.

[B]

That's one way. But here's. Here's the thing, though. I kind of feel like women, like. What's her name? The pretty one?

[A]

Sophia.

[B]

Yeah, Sophia.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she. Women like that. I feel like you just kind of get in a scammy position by being good at dissociating. Yeah, right. You can lie, you can scam. You can tell someone's beautiful when they're not. You can tell someone's handsome and manly when they're not, because you can. You can dissociate. So I'm thinking she's good at dissociating when she's letting a dark room. Nasty situation.

[A]

Yeah, you're right. She's probably imagining herself, like, in a field or counting the money. Probably counting the money in her head.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Which. Fair for me. This will be so difficult. My ADHD doesn't allow me not to, like, interject in conversations. Like, I'll say something briefly and then I'll, like, let you continue. But my brain, that's how, you know, I'm activated in the convo. But, like, I feel like the women who are good at this can just sit and listen to a man wax poetic bullshit for hours and just shake their head.

[B]

Yeah, they check.

[A]

And then, like, anytime they say something they want you to be proud of, like, oh, wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, I don't know anything about that. Tell me more.

[B]

Tell me more.

[A]

Oh, wow, that sounds stressful. You're important. Here's the key phrases.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Key phrases. 100%.

[A]

Yeah. You have to listen to anything they're saying. Just like, oh, wow, that sounds. I could. I don't understand throwing a Lot of those.

[B]

Yeah. That's why I couldn't do that.

[A]

No.

[B]

I barely figured out how to attract men by saying words like that. I don't know.

[A]

I gotta work on it. I'm not good at it at all.

[B]

Too honest. I mean. You're honest?

[A]

Yeah. People don't like that. They do not like that at all. Or I be making too many jokes. They're like, bitch, I don't want you to be funny. Just be cute. I'm like, damn, I can't. I can't have a funny feeling. No. I'm like, damn. It's strict, but yes. So how do we feel about Miss Sophia? That's what she goes by.

[B]

Miss Sophia is perfectly fine. Cause it's scam on scam crime.

[A]

I think so too. Scam on scam crime. Okay. It's a good time.

[B]

Yes. Right.

[A]

My only quip about this is I hate that she didn't just take the six million and run.

[B]

Yeah. She asked for too much. Six million. You know, I know that's play money for her, but it's something that's 6

[A]

more million than you had.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And also, why do you think, like you're going to up the ante more and you're not risking himself snitching on you?

[B]

The thing is, it's like for her to argue harm around hpv. Does anyone care about women's health? No.

[A]

No.

[B]

Did you think you were gonna get something from that? No.

[A]

Also, you really don't have a case for anything like that unless the person knew that they had something.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

There's something sharing it with you.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Yeah. So if he just walking. If you just over here moaning old McNasty, you know, he out at the social clubs, you know, all them ladies who sitting at the bar in them dresses and looking like they don't belong here. He. He done fucked all of them. Like probably raw. Like, why. Why would you sleep with that man unprotected? Yeah.

[B]

Ugh.

[A]

But Sofia, I'm still. I'm sad for you. Cause I wish that you could have gotten away with this.

[B]

I know. She's a baddie.

[A]

Yeah, she was. That you could never kill, but you can in prison. Well, that's a word. She's on Park Ave, though, so shout out to her.

[B]

She's doing fine.

[A]

Well, thank you so much for being here, Jenny.

[B]

What a divine pleasure to be with a scam goddess.

[A]

Than such a joy and pleasure to be with you as well. Always. I feel like we're Just hanging out. That's right. We got to listen now. We always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Anything you wanna plug, any socials, all those good things.

[B]

Well, listen, if you're listening to this, it means that this summer I'm gonna be in your city because I am doing an American tour. It's called the Good Egg Immigrant Grocery Store Standup Comedy Tour.

[A]

Okay, Sophia.

[B]

That's right. And I'm raising money and I'm raising money for local organizations that protect immigrant rights. So go to jennyyang tv because these are smaller immigrant, we're gonna sell out. So I'm doing it with a lot of pre sale ticket link drops through my email list. So go to jenniang tv, sign up for the email list.

[A]

I'm on the list.

[B]

Yeah. And go to see me do my standup comedy about growing up a good immigrant kid and my fertility failure journey.

[A]

Yes. That's really good.

[B]

We need to talk about it. Cause no one's having kids. Gen Z's not having sex. They want the human race to end.

[A]

They not having sex. They not drinking. They just making tiktoks.

[B]

That's right. All they want.

[A]

Crying, diagnosing themselves with mental health disorders.

[B]

Y what I've learned is that Gen Z, all they want is a cute little matcha latte and friends. Yeah, that's all they want.

[A]

They want to go to the thrift store and get all our shit from the early 2000s and put it all on at once. It's whimsical.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

Why not?

[B]

Why not live your Pinterest fashion dreams? I'm doing it right now. I'm wearing leopard print.

[A]

You're pattern clashing. It's so cute.

[B]

A pattern clashing.

[A]

We'll take a picture so y' all can see it on the Instagram. It's so cute.

[B]

So anyway, come say hi and follow me at Jenny Yang t Jenny Yang TV on Instagram and TikTok. Or follow my weekly podcast. What should we talk about? There's going to be a Good Egg takeover while I'm on the road. So go to jenny yang.substack.com do it now.

[A]

And as always, that's D I V A L A C I D V on all platforms. If you want to see the pictures of that nasty man and our scamming queen Sophia, you can go on Scam Goddess Pod to look at all of those. And you can watch Scam Goddess on Hulu. Right now all the episodes are out. You can get my book Scam Goddess Any where you get books and audio books?

[B]

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[A]

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