Bounding After People Like a Labrador w/ Anna Bezahler & Isabella Escalante

Summary

Scam Goddess – Episode Summary
Episode Title: Bounding After People Like a Labrador
Guests: Anna Betsahler, Isabella Escalante
Host: Laci Mosley
Release Date: March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess sees Laci Mosley joined by comedians Anna Betsahler and Isabella Escalante (duo hosts of "Anna and Isabella Do Improv"). True to form, Laci leads a lively and hilarious tour through scams both personal and historic, from the nature of improv comedy schools as a “scam,” to an in-depth exploration of the real-life con-job of “aircraft heiress” Mary Carol McDonald. The conversation is spontaneous, self-deprecating, and full of improv energy as the trio share personal scam stories, critique white-collar crimes, and riff on everything from television to Cameo awkwardness. Highlights include an honest dialogue about “scammability” in show business, Laci’s lasting pettiness toward improv cliques, and memorable musings on the subtle (and not-so-subtle) art of grifting.

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Key Moments & Discussion Points

1. The "Improv School" Scam

(00:55–05:34)

• All three riff on the endless cycle of taking improv classes (especially at UCB and “The Pit”)—the feeling of being recruited and forever chasing the next rung in the comedy world.
  • Isabella: "The amount of money we've spent on improv classes is definitely like, a scam." (02:44)
  • Anna: "I feel like I'm scamming when I teach because I'm like, this is all subjective, you know?" (03:52)
• Self-awareness about the coaching hustle: Laci describes the subjective art of teaching and withholding honesty.
  • Laci: "I had to keep showing up every week, like giving them hope..." (04:29)
• The realization that not everyone’s in it for SNL—many just enjoy a hobby.

2. Personal Scam Confessions

(06:16–15:44)

• Anna shares her scam-bait experience: paying $2,000 for a fake Berkeley apartment via PayPal Friends & Family.
  • Anna: "Every red flag was obvious…we hadn't talked to anybody on the phone...We were like, 'Oh, we're gonna move to California!'" (08:03)
• Both Anna and Laci recount mishaps with payment apps and losing substantial sums with little recourse from tech companies.
• Anna recalls being involved in a shady college coupon website, admitting to being too honest to really succeed at grifting.
  • Anna: "I have a light confessional OCD where I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna have to get the head of this..." (11:14)
• Isabella’s “unflattering” scam: Going undercover as a college student to re-audition for her old improv team at UC Santa Cruz, ten years later.
  • Isabella: "I called my cousin...I need to borrow your email address. I'm like, I need to prove something and then sign up for these improv auditions." (13:19)
  • She makes the callback, but is still only placed in the “dweeby team,” not the elite one—driving back and forth twice.
  • Laci and Anna compare this scam to their own ongoing quests for approval from competitive, cliquey improv circles.
  • Memorable Riff: "Enrolling back in school to shit on people in improv is just chef's kiss." – Laci (16:27)

3. Family Drama & Social Scheming

(19:45–23:10)

• Laci shares a personal story of being sabotaged by a boyfriend’s mother (who is Black, yet snubs Laci for being Black), and how pettiness can "fuel success."
  • Quip: "You ain't never gonna be able to close your eyes without seeing my face." – Laci (20:34)
• Isabella tells of living with her high school boyfriend’s family (post-breakup), capitalizing on their affection for her.
  • “He moves back in. Yes. And I live there for an entire year...everyone...feel too bad about my dead dad to kick me out.” (22:14)
  • Laci: “That is such a sitcom right there. Please write it.” (22:17)

4. Historic Hoodwinks—The Mary Carol McDonald Scam

(23:21–59:03)

• Laci introduces “Historic Hoodwinks”—today’s feature: Mary Carol McDonald, a 73-year-old TV producer who posed as an aircraft heiress and stole $30M.
• The gang riffs on the absurdity of FBI wanted posters (weights, scars, odd details), and the questionable logic of trust funds unlocking for septuagenarians.
  • Anna: "73 with a trust fund is wild." (35:32)
• McDonald’s shady production company, Bellum Entertainment: she defrauded banks and underpaid or didn’t pay staff, including ex-FBI and police officers.
  • Laci: “She produced crime already. She might as well produce it in real life.” (26:21)
  • On McDonald’s email to staff: “She put a Q in check, which I think is classy.” (47:16)
• The trio draws parallels to finance’s inherent scamminess and the difference between “scammed” when the target is a wealthy institution vs. regular workers.
• They debate the allure and aura of “heiress energy,” poke fun at “quiet luxury,” and Anna wonders why all heiresses aren’t attractive:
  • Laci: “Heiresses are never really that cute…So then the gene pool all kind of comes all muddily.” (53:25)
  • Laci: “If you have a lot of power, you don't have to yell.” (49:25)

5. Scammer of the Week—The Ski Pass Hustler

(59:55–66:14)

• Laci introduces the Scammer of the Week: Jamila Green, who (with accomplices) bought legitimate ski passes with stolen credit cards, then sold them at a discount—essentially a scam targeting ski vacationers and resort systems.
  • Anna: “I think the icon pass is a scam. I think all skiing is kind of a scam.” (62:16)
• They all reflect on the inherent “scamminess” of the ski resort industry and Anna recalls accidentally skiing into a child, adding to the farce.
• The group jokes about their own scam ambitions—from running fake churches (Laci) to labor-intensive surfing schools (Isabella), to “badly” braiding vacationers’ hair.

6. Cameo, Breakups, and Dream Scams

(66:14–71:51)

• The trio discusses the odd economy of Cameo and awkwardness of booking/recording custom videos—for birthdays or breakups.
  • Isabella: “Would you like that [break-up]...depends who it’s from, I guess.” (70:48)
• Notable Real Story: Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) being hired on Cameo to deliver a breakup.

7. Final Plugs and Outro

(72:05–end)

• Anna and Isabella promote their improv podcast "Anna and Isabella Do Improv" and their Instagram handles.
• Laci plugs her own social media, her TV show “Going Dutch” season two, the Scam Goddess TV show, upcoming tour dates, and her book.

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Notable Quotes & Standout Moments

• “The amount of money we've spent on improv classes is definitely like, a scam.” – Isabella (02:44)
• “73 with a trust fund is wild.” – Anna (35:32)
• “If you have a lot of power, you don't have to yell.” – Laci (49:25)
• “Heiresses are never really that cute…So then the gene pool all kind of comes all muddily.” – Laci (53:25)
• “I'm, like, bounding after people like a Labrador.” – Isabella (56:18) [episode title origin]
• “Enrolling back in school to shit on people in improv is just chef's kiss.” – Laci (16:27)

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Segment Timestamps (Approximate)

• [00:55–05:34] Improv culture/comedy school scams
• [06:16–15:44] Personal scam and grift stories
• [19:45–23:10] Family drama & social scamming
• [23:21–59:03] Historic Hoodwinks: Mary Carol McDonald
• [59:55–66:14] Scammer of the Week: Jamila Green (ski pass scam)
• [66:14–71:51] Discussing Cameo, break-ups, dream scams
• [72:05–73:55] Plugs, outros

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, irreverent, and loaded with comedic asides—true to Scam Goddess’s “true con” roots. The guests match Laci's energy with genuine stories, sly observations, and improvisational bits, while pop culture, personal pettiness, and a critical eye for grift steer every story. This episode offers as much heart (and improv therapy) as it does a rundown of classic and contemporary scams.

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This summary is for Scam Goddess fans who missed the episode or want to relive the most deliciously scammy and funny moments. Stay schemin’!

Transcript

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Scams CA Robbery and Fraud Scam cause Robbery and Fraud Scam Goddess what's poppin? Congregation it's your girl, Lacey Mosley back with another installment of the podcast all about Scams, Robbery and fraud and those who practice it. I am Scam Goddess. Just reminding y' all this is a comedy podcast and y' all the Scam Goddess Life Nation tour. It is up and selling out right now in March. Okay, so I'm going to Chicago. I'm going to which is basically Dallas, Texas. And that's where I'm from if y' all don't show y' all asses. Dallas. I'mma fight y'.

[Anna Betsahler]

All.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'mma fight everybody in the tri state area. Don't play with me. New York, San Francisco. Yep, got em all. This is a little mini tour because I gotta go back to work. If you want to get that promo code, it's Goddess for all the fans. So my guests today are two of the funniest people making waves in the improv scene here in la. I've actually heard good things about you. First up, we have a gal you know from the Z Suite, a Tubi original and the podcast Comedy Bang Bang. Our other equally brilliant guest is a regular on Comedy Bang bang, wrote episode 307 of Wu Tang, An American Saga and performs at UCB in my favorite cult. That's my favorite cult is UCB. Together they host their podcast Anna and Isabella Do Improv. Congregation, please rise wherever you are, including your cars, okay? And help me welcome Anna Betsahler and Isabella Escalante.

[Isabella Escalante]

Thanks for Having us. Thank you for being here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, my goodness, what a ride that was. I am from the cult of UCB as well.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know, but that was the first thing that popped into my head when you asked us to do this. I was like, the amount of money we've spent on improv classes is definitely like, a scam.

[Anna Betsahler]

That's the biggest scam of all.

[Isabella Escalante]

If I see a person who I like on stage, the next thing I'm doing, I'm going home that night and signing up for whatever school they came from.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It doesn't matter.

[Isabella Escalante]

It doesn't matter how many times I've been on stage. If I got asked to do ascat, like a hundred times, I would go and sign up for whatever class this

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

person, whatever class they teach or like, whatever. Like, oh, you went to Rutgers. Let me go there real quick.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's what I would do. I would go. I would go. If they took one class somewhere, I'm like, I'm doing that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, I've taken so many random ones. I think UCB is by far my favorite. But I remember being in New York, going to the Pit. I don't know if you've ever heard of the Pit. I think it's defunct. Is it there?

[Isabella Escalante]

No, it's. It that. It has the vibe of being defunct a little bit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's got foreclosure vibes.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, just all the time you're just waiting for that sign to be out the door every time you come, like, the chains are on and they're like, it's over, babes.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's kind of the vibe in there. But it's still. It's still. It's still going.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's still going. Good for you.

[Anna Betsahler]

Have you ever taught a class?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Anna Betsahler]

I feel like I'm scamming when I teach because I'm like, this is all subjective, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, comedy is so subjective. But I do have to be like, you're doing it wrong. Yeah, but you can't say you're doing it wrong. You have to be and be like, okay, well, this. What did you mean by this?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, hit him with the. What did you mean by that? What did you find funny about this?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, yeah, what did you find funny about this? What did you like about this? Okay, about humping old man? What about humping old man? Especially when the whole other group is women. What about humping old man?

[Isabella Escalante]

And then you see them go deep into, like, a land of shame. And then the next scene, they do it again. Yeah, the Next scene.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, gosh. That was my least favorite thing about coaching improv. Because, yes, it does feel very scammy, Ana. But I felt scammy being in people's living rooms, like, teaching them improv. But the worst part was when I would have a team and I had a lot of these. That's why I quit doing it. This was years ago where, like, the team would be really bad. Like, maybe there was one good one on there, but I had to keep showing up every week, like, giving them hope. And I was like, there's only one good person on this team. The rest of you all should quit. That's the best thing I could tell you. But I can't say that I gotta keep doing exactly what you said, Isabella. Like, what did you mean by that?

[Anna Betsahler]

Well, sometimes they're having so much fun. Fun. And they are laughing and loving it, and I'm like, I. I think this is for you guys. And I don't like it. But I can't just show up and keep saying that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But you know what it is, is UCB indoctrinates us with, like, oh, once you do this for long enough, you're gonna have a professional career. You're gonna be. This is that. And the third. And it. It does work for a lot of people, but there's, like, for that few people who make it and work professionally, there's so many others who don't. But I forget that, like, sometimes people just like to have a hobby.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, totally.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, they're not in it to, like, get on snl. They're like. And they're retired.

[Anna Betsahler]

Those are the best improvisers.

[Isabella Escalante]

I love the grandmas.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love grandmas. I love grandma extras, too. I love when I'm, like, on a set and there's, like, grandma, grandpa, background. I'm like, hey, where y' all from? They're like, we're retired. We're from Austin. We just have to come out here and see the movie star sit on the porch. Yeah. And I also now love watching TV shows and looking just in the background to see which background actors are doing the absolute most. I love it. But wait, I have to ask you both, and either of you can go first, what is your relationship with. Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Like, it could be anything.

[Anna Betsahler]

I. I have been scammed and maybe been a part of a scam. I think I'm pretty scammable.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, you get scammed pretty regularly.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, you do have, like, a really kind face.

[Anna Betsahler]

Do I.

[Isabella Escalante]

You do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just ran into you in the bathroom before we started this, and I was just like, oh, hey, what's up?

[Isabella Escalante]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I didn't even know it was you. And I was like, oh, there she. She's back. I was like, anna's here. Okay.

[Anna Betsahler]

Imagine I wasn't supposed to be here. I was just like.

[Isabella Escalante]

That kind face got you everywhere.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Anna Betsahler]

I have big eyes, so I think that makes people feel invited in to my face.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But what was the time you maybe got scammed?

[Anna Betsahler]

I got scammed. When I first moved out to California, me and my friend moved to, like, we wanted to live in Berkeley, California.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

I was working in, like, marketing, and we fully spent, like, $2,000 on an apartment that didn't exist. Oh, yeah. And we sent them the money through PayPal.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, you're not getting that back.

[Anna Betsahler]

Friends and family.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I was just. I was cussing out PayPal yesterday. Like, I'm not even. They'll suggest names to you and be like, they're contacts. Shut up. And I hit a contact that is one letter off from my cousin's last. Like, we had the same last name. And I sent this large amount of money, and then I immediately tried to cancel it. PayPal won't give it back. They would not contact me. They won't call you on the phone.

[Anna Betsahler]

They don't care.

[Isabella Escalante]

I've done that once, too, and it was, like, my boss's old contact, and I accidentally sent him $1,000. No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And those people are, like, a blessing from God, especially in this economy. I ain't getting shit back. I sent it right before Christmas.

[Isabella Escalante]

Your best hope is accidentally does the same thing to you at that point.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nobody's ever gonna do that to me. And it was an embarrassing amount of money. I love that.

[Anna Betsahler]

You're, like, sending your cousin a ton of money. That's awesome.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, we had. We had things to do. But wait, so you continue?

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, we.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We.

[Anna Betsahler]

We, like, we had. Literally, it was. Every red flag was obvious. Like, we hadn't talked to anybody on the phone. We hadn't seen the place. We were on the east coast, just like, oh, we're gonna move to California. This is gonna be great. Spend all the money and tried to get all the money back. Every person we explained it to was like, there's, like, 1,000 red flags. Like, there's no way that you guys fell for this. And we did.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, I will say, though, like, moving to another state. Where were you moving from?

[Anna Betsahler]

Philadelphia.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Philly. Okay.

[Isabella Escalante]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can hear a little bit of that in your voice. A little cheesesteak popping out in that accent. Okay. I moved from Texas here. Yeah. And I had a similar situation where, like, I wanted to move to a place. Obviously, it's a foreign city. You don't want to get there and be ass. Occur to me, like, oh, maybe get a hotel and then, like, go see some places. So I tried to be safe and do a sublet. And so I did, like, a sublet. I had the girl send me proof of residency address. She sent me photos, videos of everything. I was gonna get my own bedroom. We had been corresponding. I didn't send her. No. I think I maybe sent her half up front. I got down, touched down. She tells me, oh, yeah, your room is the living room. And also, there's already someone still staying in it. Oh, God. Mm.

[Isabella Escalante]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So I had to CR. With a college friend until I found my old place. So that's not. That's not too bad on that.

[Anna Betsahler]

It's not too bad. It's not too bad. I was also in, like, in college, I did this thing called here's my coupon dot com. Okay.

[Isabella Escalante]

Sounds super trustworthy.

[Anna Betsahler]

Super trustworthy. There's Definitely still a YouTube video of me on the Internet that was like. It's like, one of the few easy to find videos of me where I'm, like, plugging this thing. That was completely a scam. And I fully was, like, trying to help them. Scam, I think, but was so bad at it. I, like, got away without, like, fucking up my morals.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, you were just there to perform. Okay. They said, give them the coupon. Tell them about the coupon.

[Isabella Escalante]

They're like, give us that trustworthy face. Yeah, those big eyes. That trustworthy face.

[Anna Betsahler]

Well, you had to. You basically had to go restaurant to restaurant and be like, hey, do you guys want to sign up for this coupon website? And what you do is you just put your coupon on the website, and then we take, like, like, 30% of whatever you like, make.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

30%? That's just very.

[Anna Betsahler]

And it was, like, in. It was, like, right when Groupon was big. So there was already someone doing this. And I was the person that had to go restaurant to restaurant. But I get really anxious talking to,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

like, you were on foot.

[Anna Betsahler]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, I thought you was online doing, like, commercials of it.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, no, I was going, like, around my college campus, going into all these restaurants and being like, hey, is the manager around? And they'd be like, yeah, one second. And honestly, I left a bunch of times because I would just get so nervous. I would be like, never mind. Because it was so hard to pitch this thing that was just like, what do you mean? Put a coupon on a website that no one is going to.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. But you don't have to tell them no one's going there. They don't know no one's going there.

[Isabella Escalante]

I can't lie. Yeah, she's honest to a fault about stuff like that.

[Anna Betsahler]

I have a light confessional OCD where I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna have to get the head of this. My girlfriend's like, stop talking. I'm proud of my scam. I'm glad I was hustling enough to try and scam in college. That's my take on it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

All right. Isabella, what about you?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, so I feel like, well, I get scammed by, like, every AI video that, like, pops up on my feed.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, we were just talking about that.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. But recently, I sort of. I don't know if this qualifies as a full blown scam, but I was kind of scamming. So this is not a flattering story. I'll start off by saying that.

[Anna Betsahler]

I will say that this is 100%. She was like, can I say this? Is it scamming? Yes, it's scamming.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Do you want us to alter your voice? We can put down, like, a dark screen, please. Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

Just don't share any photos of me after this. But basically. Okay. So I do, like, comedy, like, every night. It drives my friends and family crazy. And, like, I. I think back to, like, college when I, like, super wanted to get on this improv team that was, like, the cool improv team. I was on this, like, super nerdy improv team full of dweebs, and I wanted to be on the artistic team full of good people. And I auditioned every single year, and I couldn't get on. I went to UC Santa Cruz. It was. I think it's the best comedy I've ever seen. I'll maintain that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

At UC Santa Cruz.

[Isabella Escalante]

At UC Santa Cruz.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay.

[Isabella Escalante]

The Someone Always Dies improv team. Incredible. And so I was always. So now I do comedy every day. And I'm like, is this all to impress these, like, 19 year olds that I never got approval from? But now I do comedy. Bang, bang. I'm like, on Harold night. And so I. And I was like, in between, like, jobs, and I was like. I was like, on Instagram and I was like, oh, they're holding auditions. And I'm like, could I get on now? Like, 10 years later, knowing what I

[Anna Betsahler]

now know, I was out of town. I would have stopped this.

[Isabella Escalante]

Wait for Harold auditions or no, my college improv team.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You were trying to go back to.

[Isabella Escalante]

I wasn't trying. I did.

[Anna Betsahler]

She went.

[Isabella Escalante]

I called my cousin. I called my cousin who still goes there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Been kissed.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, I know, I know. It's real incel territory. I call my cousin who goes there. He's like 21. I'm like, dude, I need to borrow your email address. He's like, why? I was like, I need to prove something and then sign up for these improv auditions. And so I sign up. I like try to put on like a college student outfit. I drive eight hours to UC Santa Cruz.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh my gosh.

[Isabella Escalante]

The whole time I'm like, this is so embarrassing. Why am I doing this? I need a job. Like, I officially need a job. But I'm like, so I'm there and I trick them all into thinking I'm. I said I was a transfer student. Cause I thought I could maybe pass as a 20 year old.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You still look like a 20 year old.

[Isabella Escalante]

I really appreciate.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, well, you can do pass right now. You could go back. Right now is about.

[Isabella Escalante]

And I'm telling you I did.

[Anna Betsahler]

This did not happen that long ago. She was like fully like, this is

[Isabella Escalante]

a few months ago.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, she was almost 30. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, my God. This is very close to that lady who saw a negative TikTok comment and drove three hours away. Way to confront the man and make him read an apology.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, it's not a flattering story about myself.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think it's kind of fucking amazing. You committed to the bitch.

[Isabella Escalante]

Then I'm there and they like, they're like, okay, we're going to call you guys. They're as funny as I remember. It's a fully new different people. But I'm like, the tone is still as funny as I remember. And they're like, we'll call you guys in a little bit. I get a call and they try to put me on the same dweeby team I was on when I was in college. I was like, I can't get away from it.

[Anna Betsahler]

When you were telling me that you were gonna do this, I was like, first of all, don't, because that's illegal. I don't even know. But I also was like, in my mind, I was like, there's no way you won't make the good team a second time.

[Isabella Escalante]

And guess what? I didn't.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, the lesson was what the lesson

[Isabella Escalante]

was I'm a short form dweeby girl.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, they hating on you. They were hating on you. I stand by that. They were hating on you. This is the commit. This is a commitment to a scam I love.

[Isabella Escalante]

I also, at one point, they said I needed to do a callback. So I went back to L. A and then drove back up. I spent, like, I spent days of my life.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you did like, 32 hours, if we're talking about round trip each time.

[Isabella Escalante]

And it was so much. It felt so much scammier the second time because I was like, now I'm like. I'm like, okay, there's all these Santa Cruz specifics I had to remember and, like, yeah, I was just fully fooling them. And it was. It was right for them to not put me on it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, my God. You're like, remember that time at Erewhon? They were like, bitch. What?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. They were like, erewhon, New leaf.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Honestly, I don't know. I think it's kind of like Babish behavior. It was like, I will drive 32 hours to shit on you, bitches. You will know I'm better than you.

[Isabella Escalante]

Okay? They didn't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think they were hating. I think they were hating.

[Anna Betsahler]

They were. I feel like you got kind of a funny. Like, didn't they tell you you were, like, close this time?

[Isabella Escalante]

They told me. I was really. They said that I just needed to get my performance legs and do some short form for a while.

[Anna Betsahler]

Meanwhile, she's performing every night.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Ponzi Schemers. They're like, you're so close. Just keep coming back, giving us that 1095 each night.

[Isabella Escalante]

I was close to enrol. I was like, maybe I'll just do a quarter here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Enrolling back in school to shit on people in improv is just chef's kiss. Honestly, though, I will say, when I was going to school at the University of Pittsburgh, they had, like, an improv clique, but they didn't really, like, fucking know what they were doing. We were more like a theater repertory school. So I did a lot of theater there and business and. But I saw improv and I was like, oh, I used to do that for so long. Like, I want to get involved. They were so fucking cliquey, too.

[Isabella Escalante]

They're cliquey.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're so fucking clicky. And they were like, I know.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's the thing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're not funny. And they were like, you have to take all this training to get on the stage with us. I was like, bitch, the. I perform at the comedy Store ho. Like catch my TV shows. I got multiples. That's how I did it. That was my 32 hour drive.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, that's good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Post on Instagram. Like, watch out me, little old me that couldn't join your fucking dusty ass black box. Fucking crusty ass props. Where you bitches now? Where?

[Anna Betsahler]

It's good that it sounds like you're super over it.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, yeah. You sound just as. You sound way more grounded than me about it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I will hold on to that shit till I die. That's the thing.

[Isabella Escalante]

It's at a formative diet.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I let pettiness fuel my success.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I had an ex boyfriend years ago. I went to visit him and his family in San Francisco. And we stayed at his house and he like surprised me with these New Year's tickets. Air about to. It was like super cute. But his mom, who like, I can't say too many specifics. Cause then some people will know. But his mom was basically black and he. And his dad was white and his mom like hated on me cause I was black, which is so weird. Cause I'm like, well, your son is half black. You're the black one. And so she didn't want me to be with him. So she like. I went to go get them a favorite market our scarpone cake to say thank you for like letting us stay. And like, it was such a cute time.

[Anna Betsahler]

An amazing move. Such good like in law behavior, right?

[Isabella Escalante]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I come back, why she invited his ex girlfriend over to the house. What? Mm. Trying to fuck with me. And I was like, you know what, bitch? I'm gonna get me some billboards, I'm gonna get me some magazines. I swear to God, one day, bitch, you ain't never gonna be able to close your eyes without seeing my face.

[Isabella Escalante]

Ho.

[Anna Betsahler]

What was. How did she like pitch that it made sense for the ex girlfriend to be there? Like, did you just come home and she was just chilling?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. I think she was trying to say, oh, she popped by to visit. No, she invited that hoe. She knew exactly what the fuck she was doing. And I was like 21 at the time. Like, this is not like, I'm like 16 or something. Like, bitch, the fuck is you doing? I beat out everybody ass in this house. Like, so don't worry.

[Isabella Escalante]

I've been on like, weirdly, like my high school boyfriend, I like, I was so in love with him, but he didn't like me and his mom was obsessed with me. And when I moved to la, the

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

concept of your own boyfriend not liking you and that not even bumping me because it's a thing.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know, I know. You're like, makes sense. More common than not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

But his mom would always invite me over and. What? It didn't work out. But I like, was just in love with them for so long. And when I moved to la, like, my dad had just passed away and my mom was like, sorry. Oh, it's okay. It actually turns into a hilarious story.

[Anna Betsahler]

Worth it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is what comedians do.

[Isabella Escalante]

But so. So she like, I see her at the funeral and I'm like, oh, I'm trying to like get my start in la. And she's like, come live with us. And I was like, oh, but my.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She loved you.

[Isabella Escalante]

She loved me. But I'm like, oh, but the high school boyfriend, she's like, don't worry. He's living with his. Like, he's living with his girlfriend in Phoenix. Like, you're totally fine. And so I move in. I'm in his old room. A week later, he. They, like, my ex boyfriend and his girlfriend break up. He moves back in. Yes. And I live there for an entire year. And he's so upset. But everyone, they kind of feel too bad about my dead dad to kick me out. So I'm like, I'm like capitalizing on it. I'm like, maybe we'll get back together.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Who knows?

[Isabella Escalante]

We didn't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That is such a sitcom right there. Please write it. We had to bleep some stuff out. Cause that's so fucking funny. Coming home to your parents house, your ex girlfriend's fully decorated. Your own bedroom is like, oh, what's up, Chad? I live here now.

[Isabella Escalante]

He's like, can she leave? And everyone's like, she's grieving.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's how you know. Those are the parents that like, they got their kid. And they were like, our kid's kind of a dud. And then they saw another kid and was like, we like this kid better. Let's bring this kid into our lives and pretend that's our kid.

[Anna Betsahler]

Exactly 100%.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I also like, if it was your scam, if they were like, okay, Isabella, so you know, it's been six months. Like, do you have a plan? And you're like, my dad, dad, can you pay rent? And you're like, I'm paying rent to my dad. Daddy in disguise.

[Isabella Escalante]

Exactly. You gotta milk that shit.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that. That's beautiful. W. You guys got me cracking up.

[Isabella Escalante]

I'm coming across really level and grounded.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, I saw you're unhinged and I gave you more unhinged. I was like, let me go. Unhinged.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know something about you. It's bringing it all out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is. These are my secrets. No, they're not. People know what they're getting here. Well, let's get into my favorite segment of the show. It's called Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Ana and Isabella with a famous con caper group of criminals. We don't know. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We're just gonna go along this ride and get your opinions throughout.

[Anna Betsahler]

Perfect.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay.

[Anna Betsahler]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So today the FBI are looking for a 73 year old Mary Carol McDonald, a TV producer who posed as an aircraft heiress who stole $30 million and is now on the run. I would guess she's not on the physical run. Maybe more of a walker hobble. Like it's not giving run, it's giving. Maybe mall power walk, but she is.

[Anna Betsahler]

That's fucked up. They put the weight in the FBI like description of people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I've never looked at somebody and been like, they are 183 pounds. Let me call the fed. It's our girl.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, what the fuck? They really do need to stop doing that. Cause what does that mean? A photo is all I need.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, I know. It feels like when you're like auditioning for something and you have to like put all your information. I'm like, why do you care how big my boobs are?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, sometimes the boobs matter. They might have a joke, honey. They're like that lady with the boobs. So you gotta be there on them with the boobs.

[Anna Betsahler]

Not the roles I go out for. And I just saw you look at my tits.

[Isabella Escalante]

I think we still did.

[Anna Betsahler]

We all did.

[Isabella Escalante]

And I know I've seen him a lot. I was like, could you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We looked respectfully. We looked respectfully. It was like, oh, the keyboard. No, I'm just saying I can't go out for a lady with the boobs. You know, like so, you know, sometimes you gotta know. True. But yes. So this is Mary Carol McDonald and already I kind of love her. You can tell that in her DMV photo here. She put her makeup on before she went. It's giving. She like took the picture and then she looked over over on the screen and was like, let's do another one.

[Isabella Escalante]

I mean, yeah, she's smiling from ear to ear.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Love this for her. As she should be with her $30 million. So. Oh, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary. Before she Landed on the FBI's most wanted list, Mary was the CEO of Bellum Entertainment LLC, a Burbank based production company with shows that included corrupt crimes, bizarre murders, people behaving badly. I've heard of that one. I married a murderer. Ooh, definitely heard of that one. And all of these came out from like 2004 to 2017. Hell, I was probably this. Probably one of my first roles is I was like dead lady in the back. You know how they used to do this? Id? Id like reenactment things where it would be like, and Sean didn't realize his wife was a killer. And then they'd have like confessionals sort of talking straight to camera. But when they're reenacting things, they have the reenactors who are just like walking somewhere or looking distraught or getting shot. Yeah, it's like this is what it's giving. I love that for Mary.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, I love a producer turning to crime too. It's like, yes. Yeah. She's working on all these crime shows and she's like, I'll give it a shot.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why not? She produced crime already. She might as well produce it in real life. So let's watch a clip from an episode of Corrupt Crimes titled Financial Fraudster. This is probably her inspiration. Corporation.

[Commercial Announcer]

Martin Frankel. He's a self taught stockbroker securing and managing millions of dollars in investments, but finds it hard to pull the trigger on trades.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Trader's block. It prevents him from even making a single actual investment.

[Commercial Announcer]

So he devises a phantom insurance and philanthropic empire, embezzling millions in cash. When suspicions are raised. Raised. He runs off, becoming an international fugitive.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Trader's block is giving me affluenza. Like you just made that up.

[Anna Betsahler]

They said that like it was the most normal thing in the world. He had trader's block, which is really. Which sucks because he wanted to be a trader. What are you talking about?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, it just sounds like you're maybe bad at being a trader.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

Do a different job.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, I'm blocked. I'm gonna have a breakthrough. I'm gonna have a traitor breakthrough. It's like writer's block. They heard writer's block and we're like, let's apply that too.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, it doesn't work if it's not a creative field. It' like you're analyzing the numbers wrong.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. Have you go go.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, you go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, go ahead.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, no, it's your podcast.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, I talk so much. I talk so much.

[Anna Betsahler]

I was going to say something kind of unrelated, which is, are you guys watching industry? Of course.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just fucking love industry.

[Anna Betsahler]

I love industry and it Trader's block would not be understood in that community. Like it's cutthroat.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not only would you be fired, they'd probably get coked up and beat your ass.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

On the trading floor.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Buy, buy, sell, sell. Bitch. Like love that show. Absolutely unhinged. All the sexy people. People just being sexy and saying jargon at me.

[Anna Betsahler]

It's incredible how much I feel like I've learned and how I've also learned that you can have sex with anyone and then just sort of continue your life. Yeah, they have sex all the time with. With like their co workers and then sort of never address it. And it's like, great.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're roommates. It's like, I'm not gonna spoil anything, but there's like a threesome, then they're all roommates, Then sometimes they fight, then sometimes they help each other cover up murder. They just do whatever.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, it's just whatever.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, it's kind of amazing.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

Perfect.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I gotta get into this new season.

[Anna Betsahler]

I haven't watched it yet either.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. It's so good, though. Please keep my show on the air industry. On hbo. If you. Or is it Max now? Is it hbo? Did we put the. What is it now?

[Isabella Escalante]

It's Max.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, they went back to hbo.

[Anna Betsahler]

I think they did, secretly.

[Isabella Escalante]

Oh, they did.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they didn't make an announcement about it?

[Isabella Escalante]

Oh, yeah, because they. Well, they had. They sent so many emails for that first change.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, we were pissed off.

[Anna Betsahler]

Well, they. And then they made everything purple. Do you guys remember that? Like, that was.

[Isabella Escalante]

I have, like four HBOs on my Apple TV too, because I had, like, kept having to download the new ones. So I just see the changes all line up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

HBO go. Hbo, Max.

[Anna Betsahler]

HBO GO was such a funny thing, Max.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Pro hobogo. Ho ho. That's just for Christmas stuff. Like, what are we doing? I just want to know who that scammer was who got into that position that they were way under qualified for and was like, okay, how can I switch things up? Synergy. Let me think. Okay, guys, we make everything purple. We change everything to Max. I forget what it was. Oh, I was gonna say like this. So this financial fraudster thing where Martin is just like, I'm not gonna do my job, and now I have all your money, what am I to do but steal? It makes sense.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yes.

[Anna Betsahler]

I, I, I. It's honestly over my head. I'm like, is that just what finance is?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, I know. Where's the differentiation between, like, when it's a scam and when it's a perfectly fine money move?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When gambling and suits and cocaine and yelling and jargon, really high jargon. They all meet together, and so it's like, you need somebody because you don't know what a NASDAQ is. But I do, you little bitch. I'm the NASDAQ middleman. So you get over here, you give me your money, okay? And I'll let you know what the Dow Jones is doing. You ain't never met Dow. That's my homie. They're just making it complicated.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, they just are gig keeping information.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, and ruining the economy while doing so. Beautiful convention. So shout out to the 1920s. So. So our Queen Mary. Back to her. She's originally from Michigan and has also gone by the name Mary Carol Clarol, which is Clairel.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's her fake name.

[Anna Betsahler]

She just combined two names.

[Isabella Escalante]

Clairol.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I feel like anybody who has multiple names, I'm automatically suspicious she's now going by. She's going by Mary Carol McDonald right now, which sounds more normal, but Mary Carol Clarol.

[Isabella Escalante]

Mary Carol Clarol.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I ain't buying shit you selling.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, wait.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're both Carol Carol.

[Anna Betsahler]

They're just spelled differently.

[Isabella Escalante]

Mary Carol.

[Anna Betsahler]

Also bad fake name.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Good Mary Carol Carol.

[Isabella Escalante]

She should have been Mary Carol Max go.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Then I would buy that.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, me too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I would buy that. Then I'm in for it. I downloaded again. You said okay. They added another Carol. Okay. So when one Carol wasn't enough, you know, she added it on. She is white. She has blue eyes and a scar on her right knee, according to the FBI wanted poster. So now we're supposed to be looking at knees. FBI wanted job.

[Anna Betsahler]

Also, you can't see her eyes at all in this picture. She has so much eyeshadow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, where's the scar?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And where's the knee? You can't tell me about the knee and then not show me the knee.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know. And I'm like, is she wearing shorts everywhere? Yeah, this woman looks like she's like, shorts 78.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I see a lady like her, and I'm like, hey, girl, do you mind, like, lifting up your pant leg? Also, what's your weight?

[Isabella Escalante]

Also, do you think you could play on a boob commercial?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Yeah. The FBI is starting to give, like, doctor's office visit, and it's pissing me off. So the McDonald aircraft family, this is what Mary made up, Right? So starting in 2017, Mary posed as an heir to the McDonald aircraft family. McDonnell Douglas Aircraft Corporation is a former aerospace giant that produced commercial jetliners and military aircrafts. So in 1924, when the pilots first flew around the world, imagine being the person on the first successful flight. Like, aren't you crazy?

[Anna Betsahler]

I can't even fly now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right, right. Oh, no. But I mean, the doors are sliding off the shit. Quality control is crazy. I'm like, are we gon, like.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know everyone's in their, like, finest suits too, right? It's like you can't even get comfortable.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I feel like, at some point, the airlines, like, they're not going to be like, fly the friendly skies. They're just going to be like, we land. Like, buy my ticket from them. They land.

[Anna Betsahler]

Have you guys seen pictures of the first of, like, early airplanes? What the seats used to look like? No, they were just like, folding chairs. Yes.

[Isabella Escalante]

Really?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wait, I need. Oh, my gosh. Why would anybody get in that?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, that's terrifying.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, that's too scary.

[Isabella Escalante]

It looks sort of like a helicopter.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

At least it's a Seat seaplane. I think it's. That's a seaplane. I want to see early airline folding chair seats because I'm interested now. I'm not getting a folding chair in the sky. That's crazy. So in 1924, the pilots would, like, fly around the whole world. A wicker chair.

[Anna Betsahler]

I know. Y' all did it.

[Isabella Escalante]

Horrible.

[Anna Betsahler]

It looks like a patio furniture, but, like, not in a nice way. Like, that thing's gonna slide around the plane.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, y' all went to HomeGoods and decorated the plane.

[Anna Betsahler]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you know, I wanted those seatbelts.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, of course not. They didn't even believe in that stuff at that time.

[Isabella Escalante]

And everyone's chain smoking like crazy, which

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't understand why they let them hot box the plane like that for so long.

[Isabella Escalante]

For so long. It was like the last rule they

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

changed, which didn't make it just like, yeah, what if they cause a fire? Now it's fire on the plane. We're all on.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Come on now, y'. All. So, you know, they would fly around the whole. Well, this first pilot who flew around the whole world, it took 175 days. And they did it in a McConnell Douglas airplane. So basically, McConnell Douglas really popp. Because this huge feat was made where a pilot flew around the world. Kind of like when Tiger woods hit that hole in one and the Nike check sign showed right before it went in the cup. And Nike was like, you're ours.

[Anna Betsahler]

It's exactly like that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's crazy. So the McDonald Aircraft Group was established by aviation pioneer James S. McDonald and was also a big player in the aerospace and defense industry. They made landmark military aircraft such as the F4 Phantom 2, and contributed to NASA's Mercury and Gemini space missions. McDonnell Douglas Mer with Boeing in August of 1997 in a $13 billion stock swap.

[Anna Betsahler]

I know what that is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know how you buy a company for some stocks? We give you stocks in Boeing, you give us your company. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. So James son, John F. McDonald, E I E I. Okay. Who later served as chairman of the McDonald Douglas Corp. Has estimated their net worth is around 183 million. Mary isn't a part of the same McDonald family, but she claimed to have a secret trust fund worth 80 million that she would eventually have access to. So Mary's now a Nigerian? They said she was a white lady with blue eyes, but now, I don't know.

[Anna Betsahler]

Wait, she's saying at 87 that she.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

73. 73.

[Isabella Escalante]

She has smart 85. She can't spend it irresponsibly, so she

[Anna Betsahler]

gets like five years with the trust fund. What the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You gotta die before you get it. Kidding. 73 with a trust fund is wild.

[Isabella Escalante]

We want you to have the most epic funeral ever.

[Anna Betsahler]

Literally.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the only place there's going to be music. Oh my God. What a great observation. Robbery. All of us strands are in real danger. And whatever it is, it's closing in. It started with just a few lost hairs here and there.

[Isabella Escalante]

But now more and more of us

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

are disappeared, appearing every day. But listen, we think we have a plan. A way to stop the shedding. Pantene, abundant and strong.

[Anna Betsahler]

Go now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's not too late. Pantene abundant and Strong. It's a three step system that reduces hair loss by 85%. Only the strongest will survive the shedding.

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[Anna Betsahler]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Isabella Escalante]

that has like $20 million in it,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

it's got $80 million.

[Isabella Escalante]

80.

[Anna Betsahler]

I mean, I'm embarrassed. These institutions should be embarrassed, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like I don't know what the trust was like 80 when I'm 80. 80 mil when I'm 80.

[Isabella Escalante]

80 when I'm 80. Yeah, if she pitched it like that,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

then I forget that maybe you're onto something. So Bellum Entertainment. So remember, she had Bellum. Enter Bellam Entertainment does not exist anymore, but it came under intense scrutiny by the California Labor Commission during her time as CEO for non payment of wages to dozens of its former workers, including former police officers and FBI agents who appeared as experts on many crime shows. I'm not mad about that.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say I'm

[Isabella Escalante]

back on her side, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like hehehe, gotcha bitch. FBI. You're not even working you're telling me to look at this lady knee. Get outta my face. So around the same time, the FBI. FBI says she was involved in defrauding bank of California and other financial institutions. McDonald told employees that significant bank fraud was the reason the company was unable to meet payroll. So while she's out here telling everybody that she's an heiress and she's getting all these millions from these banks, she's also telling the people that she's employed that, oh, my God, they robbing us of all the money that we made. I was gonna do payroll, but we got. They was a stick up.

[Isabella Escalante]

This must be the most charming liar in the world. She's like. She's turning against each other.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She is.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

That lady didn't look charming to me at all.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know. It's the thing. I'm like, trying to picture her telling me something and me believing it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Sometimes it doesn't come through the photo. Sometimes it's a real life thing. Like, have you ever, like, hooked up with a ugly person? Like, like, if you. If you show a photo to your friends of the person and they would be like, why would you. Ugh. But then like, no, you gotta see him in person. Like, yeah, they look like a pit bullet in the photo. But I tell you, in person, you would see the brigs.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

Like, yeah, it's part of being an improv comedian too. You're like, someone on stage looks a lot different. Yeah, someone having fun on stage looks a lot different.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Real shit. Because there's a bunch of like. And honestly, it's mostly the guys. You always see the hottest improv girly with the schlubbiest, ugliest improv guy you've ever seen. I'm like, how did you pull that baddie?

[Isabella Escalante]

I know how.

[Anna Betsahler]

And it's insane because they're usually kind of assholes too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

The guys that's like, what?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And the girl paying for everything. And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, he flew or you flew him out to DCM? What do you mean?

[Isabella Escalante]

They're always flew out to DCM.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What do you mean you flew him

[Anna Betsahler]

first to DCM so he could do a 4am show to no one. That would be incredible.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So it's working for me. Former FBI specialist agent Tim Clemente. I like your last name. Clemente. It's doing something for me.

[Isabella Escalante]

Clemente.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. It feels like a brand. Clemente, so. And his colleagues at XG Productions. So this FBI agent Tim Clemente and his colleagues at XG Production, which is a media Management company that specializes in true crime said that they had worked on more than 100 true crime shows for Mary's company, acting on screen as experts and commentators on cases. In 2017, Tim and his team claimed that they were owed $50,000 in back wages by the company, refusing to work until they received the ca. So they were like, we gave you all these insider tips. I'm like, did you, though?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, I feel like anytime I see an FBI person sitting down, they're just, like, the most boring person ever.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. So boring.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're like, we waited outside their house for two days, and I had a mayo sandwich, and finally they threw out the trash. And we went through the trash, and we found the receipt.

[Isabella Escalante]

And then they're always talking about, like, how they can. This is the other thing. Like, they couldn't tell that this lady was lying out her ass. But, like, the whole time that they're. I feel like half the time they're talking, they're like. They're like, this is how you spot a master manipulator liar. But it's like. So I'm like, I don't buy that for a second. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they always, like, big themselves up. Like, they are the main character hero. They'll be like, you know, everybody on the desk just kept throwing this file away because they couldn't crack it. There's something about it to me, I was like, I can do it. I'm gonna crack it. And I'm like, okay. Okay, buddy. Sure thing. So former FBI special agent, right? We're talking about all the money that they didn't get and that they're owed $50,000. They refused to work until then, but obviously want to be on tv, like, because they're like, we refuse to work until we get our 50k. But it's like, maybe just quit.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, stop doing it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, we want to be on tv. We'll do anything. So at the time, Bellum said it would halt production if she paid them. So she was like, y' all gotta let me finish shooting, and then I'mma give y' all y' all money later. Don't even worry about that. Why y' all want money? Are y' all broke?

[Anna Betsahler]

You guys are coming off a little desperate here. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You want to get paid?

[Anna Betsahler]

It is crazy how long it takes to get paid doing. Doing TV stuff.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the thing.

[Isabella Escalante]

It's crazy. This is not out of the ordinary.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, but you have to deliver your money on time.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I've never been able to be like, oh, yeah, I'll be on set in three to five business weeks. Like, no, you have to like, yeah, I have to come when you need me. But you're like money.

[Anna Betsahler]

But they're like, come on, it's coming. Geez, relax.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, they're like, it's coming. As long as we don't run out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, that's literally what she said. She said, we got something left. I'mma send it to you. Now get back in that chair with the mood lighting and talk to the camera. So that same year, the company was the subject of two identical lawsuits, both claiming that Bellum breached their contract of more than $3 million each. The two suits seem to be describing the same 104 episode crime show, but with different titles and two different producers. So they trying to sue people twice. Like, are y' all scamming? So in one suit, the show was called they Killed for It and the plaintiff is Armageddon Media. Love that name. And in the other, the series is called Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers.

[Anna Betsahler]

Sorry, what?

[Isabella Escalante]

Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's the name of the show.

[Anna Betsahler]

That's a bad name.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, it's way too long.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're not watching Provisionally Titled Lady Killers. Say it on hbo, Mo. You're not

[Anna Betsahler]

so.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that plaintiff was the Adirondack Entertainment. So to simplify this, two people are suing and it seems like they're talking about the same show, but they just tweaked the name. So one is calling it they Kill for It. Which I'm definitely gonna watch that one over. Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers. Yeah, send them back, Isabella.

[Isabella Escalante]

Provisionally Entitled Lady Killers.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You got it, you got it.

[Isabella Escalante]

I'll watch it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I knew you would. I knew you would. That's why I was like. You could say it back real quick. Mary was also being Investigated by the U.S. department of labor for misclassifying workers as independent contractors instead of employees. Who hasn't done that at least once?

[Isabella Escalante]

That's what I'm saying. This is all par for the course so far.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

1099, what's up? Yeah, you do need to come to work every day from nine to five. But 1099, okay, you get it. So Mary lets her employees know. Know that there was a lot going on, but it was all going to work out okay. In an email she says, imagine getting that email.

[Isabella Escalante]

Hey guys, there's a lot going on, but it's all gonna work out okay.

[Anna Betsahler]

That is the email the commercial agents, like just sent us.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's true.

[Anna Betsahler]

We don't know what's happening, but, like, it's gonna pick up soon.

[Isabella Escalante]

There hasn't been a single commercial this year.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But it's all gonna be the faith as soon. So this is the email that in quotes, it says, as you know, we had significant bank fraud which occurred about a week ago, which caused major issues with our account. Once that situation is resolved, we will be distributing the checks. She put a Q in check, which I think is classy.

[Anna Betsahler]

That is French.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's how you get people to trust you in an email like that. You're like, don't worry, don't worry. They're coming.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wait, she didn't say check with a K. She said check with a Q. Okay. We getting paid for sure?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So she said they'll be distributing the shex for the toys.

[Isabella Escalante]

If I didn't have money, would I be this fancy?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Come on, guys. I clearly have the money. Yeah. So she says they're gonna be doing it for a specific week, but we do not have the specific date. I know this is frustrating for all of us, but be assured that Bellum is doing well. Between the bank fraud and the delay in line of credit, we were in a challenging position, but that is being wreck, and we are moving forward in a very positive direction. Expect a great summer and fall doing these shows.

[Isabella Escalante]

I honestly think I've gotten that exact email from a few productions.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just want to highlight a few things. She said the company was doing very well, and then she didn't really highlight anything that was going well. She said between the bank fraud, the delay in the line of credit, and the Shek's not coming. Where is the very well in this. In this paragraph?

[Isabella Escalante]

She's losing her touch, I think. Yeah, I think she started out lying pretty good, but I think she's throwing

[Anna Betsahler]

spaghetti at the wall, seeing what sticks. She's like, I don't know, maybe the cue will just save this whole thing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, you know what? You're both right, because then she disappeared. She sent this email and then ghosted. So a lot of employees were left without pay. You got Joshua Kaufman, one of her former employees at the now defunct Bell. He was one of her victims. And he said she gave the appearance that she was very independently wealthy, was always impeccably dressed, and always had that air that she knew what she was doing and that she was better than you.

[Anna Betsahler]

I love imagining that. Like, what does that look like? Because that's just most producers, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's like Miranda Priestley esque, kind of like, that's all.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, if yeah. If you have a lot of power, you don't have to yell. That's why when people like in powerful positions are screaming at their employees, I'm like, you are insecure inside.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because if you really have power, I could just be like, clear the room. And then everyone just sprints.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's true. I know. I always, I always notice that in succession is like the second someone important comes in, they have like three people leave. And my stomach drops and I'm like, this person must be really powerful. And I'm like glued to the tv.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's such a thing. I never noticed that. You're so right. When a powerful person comes in, at least the people scurry out.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, they scurry.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They drop coffees off and they're like, ah, yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

And then the hello. I'm like, oh my God.

[Anna Betsahler]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it's always such measured speaking. Like if you talk slower with intentionality, if you talk like Erica Kirk and look up a lot and just God, and really truth, then like, you know, people believe it. They're like, yeah, you must know what you're saying. I don't know what you said.

[Anna Betsahler]

I just locked in on you.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know. That was really good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow.

[Isabella Escalante]

I wish I could even put that on for a second.

[Anna Betsahler]

You have a lot of power though, the way that you. Yeah, I have to. You speak with intentionality.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, don't expose my secrets. I'm such. I'm a little wee baby. Don't run anything. So he says that she took money from individuals as well as big banks and he's owed money too. Now that's fucked up, Mary. You steal from the big banks. You don't steal from the hard working people that you had working 100 episodes with no coin. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that, Mary. And also you're getting greedy. Like you have enough money.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah. They're making so many episodes of these shows. Was it hundred and something like that's like, come on, you're chilling.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And this is the time where those types of shows go into syndication. So, you know at like 3am you about to be watching that shit. If you're up. That and commercials that are telling you what's going to make you die, you know, soon. Okay, round off. Shout out to y'. All. Sponsor the show. No playing. So Mary's nephew, Peter McDonald, worked at Bellum for 10 years as vice president and said that he was unaware of the bank fraud and was owed at least $10,000 himself when he quit in July 17. So she knew to Pay the family. I like that. She kept the family close. But that last 10k, she was like, nephew, you ain't getting that done.

[Anna Betsahler]

It didn't quite get there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was like, thank you for the Christmas gift, nephew. But the rest of the time, either he knew when he was covering it up and getting paid, or he was getting paid and he didn't know. I don't believe he didn't know.

[Anna Betsahler]

I. People always know, but they could. It probably is like he knew, but they never, you know, it wasn't explicit. That's the best situation to be in. Kind of right next to the scammer.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, yeah. Adjacent. Yeah, yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

Where? Yeah. It's like they're. When they take the head off, you just. They, like, can't keep track of where the money went. So you, like, walk away with a lot of money.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, I want to be like a coat rack for the scams. Like, hang the scams on me, but then, like, take them away. I'm like, I'm just a coat rack doing no scams.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. That's the ultimate scam. It's finding someone, like, dumb enough to be the figurehead and get in, cozying up next to them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. And also, I know he has to know because if you have put your nephew in a vice president position, what that tells me is like, yeah, you could be keeping it in the family, but you also keep it in the family because the family is less likely to turn on you. They might. They could, but they have more incentive not to.

[Isabella Escalante]

Wait.

[Anna Betsahler]

Do you think he knows that she's pretending like that she has the. She's like an heiress or whatever? Like, does he have to be going along with that too?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't think so. I think that was what she did for the banks. Okay, okay. So another former employee said that she had all the heirs of an heiress. I don't know what those are. Do y' all just know lots of heiresses? And you're like, nah, this checks out. This. This heiress into me. You know what, though? It kind of does give heiress. Because heiresses are never really that cute. They just kind of like got a lot of drip, cuz, you know, if the money's in the family for long enough, like, you can only marry people that have money, so that deeply restricts the hotness of the people you can marry. So then the gene pool all kind of comes all muddily.

[Isabella Escalante]

It becomes stuffier and stuffier genetically.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Very, like, royal family. Like, y' all look like cousins.

[Anna Betsahler]

Ancestral. Absolutely. I mean, it. It reminds Me of like, who was that girl that scammed everyone?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Anna.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

And everybody was like, she just seemed rich.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like that's, that's what it was. She had very thin lips, she spoke very few words and she always looked at every place like she hated it. Everywhere we went, she hated. Everywhere we went it. I'm like, she's gotta be rich.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

By that standard I'm wealthy as hell.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now your face is a little too nice. Yeah. But you know what? That's giving secret wealth. That's giving like you walk around in thousand dollar T shirts and then I would only know you're rich if I go to like the rich people event on the island or like I'm in one of those like trough things in Switzerland with all the glass going to wherever the fuck. And I'm like, Otto, I knew it.

[Anna Betsahler]

A trough thing.

[Isabella Escalante]

What is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I know what you know.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

It's like a trick trolley in the sky.

[Isabella Escalante]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

One of those.

[Anna Betsahler]

Those things are scary looking.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They are. That's why I loved in succession they were in a. Having a beautiful view around them and just like screaming at each other.

[Anna Betsahler]

Would you prefer secret like rich that you like find out someone has like a thousand dollar sweat T shirt or whatever or would you prefer that it's like a little flashy and you get to enjoy it with them?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I feel like quiet luxury. They think they're better than loud luxury. But it's not as much fun to be quiet luxury because it's like we all have to go find the new quiet trend to run away from the pores. Because as soon as like people in the middle class can afford one little thing that the rich people had, they move away from that.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what I mean? Like for example, like monogram things like so Gucci belts and like monogram purses used to be like very loud brands. Right. And then once the middle class could afford one for Christmas, they were like, we got to get away from this ghetto I've ever seen in my life. Hermes.

[Anna Betsahler]

They're like, it's tacky to have your initials on things. It's like unless. Unless you're like my grandma. Yeah. And it's like two generations ago.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I like when people have fun with their clothes. I also tend to think like snooty people aren't having as much fun because you have to perform all the time. The snootiness.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I have no interest in that.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I used to go out with girls like, who like to perform snootiness. Like in the club. Cause they were looking for, like, pro athletes. And one of the tips of, like, walking around and looking like you're too good for shit was like, you never, like, walked up and said hi to people. You looked, like, really pretty. And then it's dark, right in these clubs, and it's hard to get in. And you put your phone screen on full brightness, and then you just stare at it so people can see how pretty you are. And then they pull you over the

[Isabella Escalante]

phone, you stare at the phone.

[Anna Betsahler]

I would never have thought of that.

[Isabella Escalante]

I haven't thought of that. But I actually have seen people with their phone close to their face. And I'm like, gorgeous.

[Anna Betsahler]

That glows.

[Isabella Escalante]

I'm like, they're glowing. How do they do that? I'm like, I can't do that. The second I dress up, I'm, like, bounding after people like a Labrador. I'm like, I look cute. Let's use it. Who wants to talk to me?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love it. I love it.

[Anna Betsahler]

That's adorable. And that was like a kind of beautiful sentence,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

like a Labrador.

[Isabella Escalante]

I.

[Anna Betsahler]

That was gorgeous. She.

[Isabella Escalante]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Don't tell Taylor Swift nothing. Okay. She gonna steal that from you, cuz that's a. She ain't never had a lyric that good. Oh, God. The Swift is gonna come after me. Y' all know Taylor Swift for President. Okay. I love that. I'm entitled the episode then.

[Anna Betsahler]

Taylor Swift for President. That would be after.

[Isabella Escalante]

Fantastic.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, my gosh. So let's see where she's at. Which clearly we know. We don't know. So whereabouts. An arrest warrant was issued for her in 2018. She is believed to be on the run in the Middle East. Oh, now, Mary was a pretty pale lady.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. Why is she going to.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's. Y' all couldn't find her in the Middle East. I feel like everybody got a little tan there. I feel like y' all can find Mary's.

[Isabella Escalante]

Maybe they didn't get the weight memo.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, the knee scar.

[Anna Betsahler]

That's what it was.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They didn't know about the knee scar.

[Anna Betsahler]

So how do they know? She's just generally in the Middle East.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. That's such a broad place. It's like saying, we think she's in Asia. Like, that's not a country, bro.

[Isabella Escalante]

Like, what do you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's definitely in Africa. They're sending the country of Africa. What?

[Isabella Escalante]

They're sending that same email. They're like, we lost track of her. But don't worry. Everything's under control. We're proceeding positively. She's in the Middle East?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, yes, she's in the Middle East. We're waiting on the fraud situation, and then we're wire the money from the Middle east to your bank account.

[Anna Betsahler]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're right. That's so fucking broad. Oh, my goodness. Well, how do we feel about Mary? Do we think she's evil? Do we think she's fun? Do we think she what? I think she can be alter.

[Isabella Escalante]

I think she's a woman with a passion for true crime and she just needed to see her stories come to light. I honestly, I like her. I have. I have, like, a soft spot bought for women scammers like Elizabeth Holmes. I'm like, you're doing all. I'm like, usually I don't hear stories about, like, producers going rogue and doing this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She did all the tech bro stuff. The only thing with Elizabeth was she actually did try the tiny thing on. On Real Patience. And that should piss me off. But everything else about it, I was like, turtleneck tech bro, low voice, amazing.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know.

[Anna Betsahler]

Oh, dude.

[Isabella Escalante]

I'm like, yeah, let's get some low voice lady representation. I'm like, I like this lady.

[Anna Betsahler]

Also, Amanda Seyfried. Playing her just cracked me up, man. That was amazing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So funny. But what, what do you think?

[Anna Betsahler]

I'm like, I'm upset that she scammed the people, not the bank. Yeah, that's where I'm upset. But ultimately, I do kind of feel like this industry is so fucked up that I'm like, I think people are doing this every single day. And she just got caught. And maybe that's because she's an older woman and they were looking at her differently.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But has she got caught?

[Anna Betsahler]

Oh, true.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She just got discovered.

[Isabella Escalante]

She got discovered.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She get caught. Okay, baby, she in the Middle East. My favorite place to vacation. Have y' all ever been to the Middle East? My favorite hotel in the Middle East. It's the Middle East Hilton. This is my favorite one. Yeah. So she said, shout out to her if she's at 73 on the. On the lamb, baby, just let her have it. I don't agree with, again, scamming the employees, the individuals, because you obviously had enough money to pay them. Now you're just getting greedy. Like, at 73, you got 30 mil. Like, baby, you ain't got enough lifetime to spend that. Yeah, maybe she's like, I'm get a bionic hip. I'm going to get a baby heart. I'm going to live forever.

[Anna Betsahler]

A baby heart is crazy.

[Isabella Escalante]

A baby heart and a bionic hip. The ultimate duo she's going to be crawling like crazy,

[Anna Betsahler]

crushing apple juices.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Fuck yeah. Love it. So that wraps up Historic Hoodwinks, which brings us to our last segment. Oh, I know you guys are shocked, right? I'm bringing it back. Scammer of the week. I know some of y' all are always yelling at me and pissed about it. I'll bring back listener letters too. Stop yelling at me. Talking all caps, way too much. But Scammer of the week is where we highlight a charlatan that we believe is worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see. So speaking of lady hustlers, a woman in South Carolina has admitted to a high stakes ski pass scam. Jamila Green sold discount icon and epic ski snowboard passes to winter sports goers on the Utah slopes. This is such a relatable scam because I know you guys are all out there hitting the slopes. Like, aren't we all apres ski? Come on, guys. This is what we're doing. Okay? Don't get weird out if y' all see me on the slopes in a little bit in France.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, I was gonna say no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So she was doing this, like, in Utah, basically. What an Ikon Pass. And it's like I K O N pass P A S S. What an Ikon pass provides is like access to Deer Valley Resort, Solitude Mountain Resort, Brighton Resort, and Alta Ski Area Resort. You guys know these resorts, right?

[Isabella Escalante]

Intimately.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, I've had to buy an icon pass before, actually, and. Well, I'll wait till you're done explaining.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, and snowboard and Snow Basin. So this pass, basically, it's like a great deal because then you're not having to go to each resort and pay the fee. It's like you just flash the pass.

[Isabella Escalante]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Am I right about this?

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. Okay.

[Anna Betsahler]

So I made myself the snowboard exercise.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

How very gay of you. An epic pass accesses Park City Mountain in Utah as well as well as more than 50 other resorts. God damn it. It's resorts, guys. You can just leave that in in other states and countries. So a multi resort ski pass typically costs between 750 and $1,300, which is, you know, it's a good deal for what you're getting if you paid individually. No, I don't think it's a good

[Anna Betsahler]

deal because nobody actually skis as much as they plan to, too. Like, I think the icon pass is a scam. I think all skiing is kind of a scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's so true.

[Anna Betsahler]

So I kind of love this lady. I want her to make money off of it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So let's see how she was making the money. She was buying the passes at full price using stolen credit card info. Oh,

[Anna Betsahler]

I guess I should let you finish your sentences.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You made your choice, made your bid. Yeah, you made your bid.

[Isabella Escalante]

You love that this lady stole from these people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Get on your lift and you can ride.

[Anna Betsahler]

The problem with interrupting is sometimes you just.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's my favorite thing. I just made it clear that I

[Isabella Escalante]

think this lady's bad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Damn it. No, I love, I love the balls to interrupt because I got you. I'm like. And I was smiling at you like. Yeah, I think so too. I think she's great. Yeah, we love her. So she would buy these passes in full price using the stolen credit cards. It was a very specific, very seasonal scam. She ran this along with several accomplices from November 2020 through May 2024.

[Isabella Escalante]

Why does she need accomplices?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right, Like I guess probably steal the credit cards, I guess. And it included multi resort passes and passes to individual resorts in Utah. So they would advertise discounted ski passes on online forums and ski communities. When someone responded, they would communicate with that person via online chats and texts to get the person's name, address, and any other information required to purchase the pass. Jamila and others would then buy the pass using the stolen credit card info and sell it at a discount to the online buyer. Okay, so the online buyer getting the hookup.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. So they're actually walking away with the discounted pass.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So they get the pass. It sounds like they're giving them the pass.

[Anna Betsahler]

Pass works, I assume.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. And then because it's a legit pass that they bought with a stolen credit card, then if we think about the stolen credit card, Credit card protected. You know, you just ring, ring, call Amex telling the facade was done to you. So who's really getting hurt?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, it's just.

[Anna Betsahler]

You guys know I love her and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm down already.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because the, the pay, the buyer would be required to pay her directly like using Venmo PayPal, Zelle or Apple Pay. And it was like a multi year, multi million dollar business.

[Isabella Escalante]

It's multi year. She kept it up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, they kept it up from November 2020 to May 2024. I kind of like this scam. I feel like what? Like it's just like the rich scheming the rich.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause like skiing is an expensive vacation for the average family, but scamming people into ski passes that Ana you were saying, like, the ski passes aren't really useful.

[Anna Betsahler]

I don't think so. I think that the. I mean, have you ever. Skiing is. The whole thing is ridiculous. The whole thing is a scam. You're going down towards your death and paying for it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I've heard the trees are a thing. Just like aggressive run ins to trees.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You hit trees, you hit kids, you hit other people.

[Isabella Escalante]

Everyone's breaking their rules. Legs.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah, I. I have ski straight into a kid. Yes, absolutely.

[Isabella Escalante]

On this podcast, I'd like to make it clear I do not hit kids.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Play the ambush music on a hit kid.

[Isabella Escalante]

It's that. It's that true crime thing that that lady produced.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I heard. I heard she does it on purpose. That's the only time of the year she can hit kids. So she has to go skiing so she can hit kids.

[Anna Betsahler]

Hopefully they can cast me in the

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

reenactment of you and your kids.

[Isabella Escalante]

And then you're, like, on the podcast being like, I had to commit my own crimes to get cast in this town.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Honestly, that may have to be our new thing, because true crime docs are coming out like hotcakes. So I can be charismatic enough.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And, you know, maybe get, like, a light sentencing. Then we get a great talk.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. What's our fyre fest?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[Commercial Announcer]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I already know what mine is. It's like my scam church. It's the congregation. Like, I just open it up and, you know, we have a church and what is it, 401C? Yeah. We don't pay taxes.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah. The churches is the craziest scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's like, have people come in and donate money to me, to the building fund. There will never be another building than the one that we're in.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I have a scam choir. We seem scam hymns.

[Anna Betsahler]

Are you watching Salt Lake City? The Housewives?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm in and out of it, but give me a reference, though.

[Anna Betsahler]

Well, just that Mary M. Cosby is like, she. She has, like, a church that. A documentary just came out about how it was like, a scam kind of thing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Of course it was.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yes. What scam would you run, Isabella?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, what would I run? Let's see. I would probably. Maybe a surfing school.

[Anna Betsahler]

That just sounds helpful.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. And very labor intensive.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, you're right. I'm not doing this.

[Anna Betsahler]

What's your dream job?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What scam would you run?

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah. Okay, wait, let me get. Oh, I would steal suitcases. Suitcases at the airport.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Why are people not doing that?

[Isabella Escalante]

Why are people not doing that?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's because the suitcases are so heavy. We're also tired from the plane. It's your pain in the ass, dude.

[Isabella Escalante]

I'm taking the most labor intensive scams of all time.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Surfboard, steel suitcases.

[Isabella Escalante]

I gotta do one that's not carrying stuff. I'll start a patreon.

[Anna Betsahler]

Oh yeah, that's the best way.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, I dive for anchors off boats. I lug the anchors up, I sell them to other boats.

[Isabella Escalante]

It's harder Sc and a hard skim.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's a very like labor intensive. Yeah, you gotta pick something easy. Like, like I'll braid little white girls hair on cruise ships.

[Anna Betsahler]

That also seems hard.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's babysitting.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm gonna braid it real bad. And they're not gonna know. So I'm gonna put like a few beads in it. They're not gonna know. They're not gonna know. Who's gonna tell em? They're not gonna know.

[Isabella Escalante]

Maybe I'll try to make like a cameo for myself, like on that, you know, that thing. Cameo and all somehow like, like those celebrities that are celebrities but they haven't done anything, but somehow they're celebrities.

[Anna Betsahler]

This is another dream job of mine. It sounds like you can do so little and just kind of cruise on.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, I mean, I'd love to be saying happy birthday to people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you think that, but it's like so depressing when you actually have to fill them.

[Anna Betsahler]

Have you done them?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hell no. No judgment. But I have seen people do them. And like, they're like, hold on, I gotta finish these real quick. And they're like, hey, Johnny, happy 30th birthday from me, Blankety Blank. Or like, hey, Tim. So sor. You're gonna make it through, bro. Hang in there. From Blankety Blank. Your mom says you're hot from Blankety Blank. Like, but they have to like, like go through a list of them and give so much energy. And I'm like, I've done. I did one, but it wasn't a cameo. Someone asked me to wish somebody a happy birthday and I said if you donate to any charity of your choice and send it back to me, like, send me the screenshot. I'll. I'll wish them a happy birthday.

[Anna Betsahler]

What charity?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't want to give people ideas, but I was gonna say there's a 1 in 10. Um.

[Anna Betsahler]

Cause they could scam. That's an easy scam. Yeah, my charity is annabetsolar.com.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

no, I think it was like the children's hospital. Yeah. They did send a screen grab and it had their name.

[Anna Betsahler]

When I did the. The TV show the Z Suite, I got a DM from Cameo and they said, hey, do you want to be on Cameo? And I was like, I. I totally wanted to, but because it's. I. I would love to just grab a little money here, here and there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

[Anna Betsahler]

Nobody's gonna buy my cameo.

[Isabella Escalante]

Nobody.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You gotta believe in yourself, Anna. You gotta believe in yourself. If cameo DM'd you, that means that somebody must be thirsty over there for you. It is. They got too many hits and they were like, okay, let's just DM on it because we gotta let her know she need to get over here. No, I would do it. I'm not. I don't think it's icky for like the money or anything like that. I would do it if it wouldn't depress me to just have to go through it. You should see how, like, when I have to do stuff here, like Jess and Richard, like, do say the stuff.

[Isabella Escalante]

My friend got a Meg Stal cameo for his girlfriend. It was for Valentine's Day, but then, like, one of them cheated right before it, but it was already, like, sent, so it was like the most dystopian cameo ever. Because it was like, like, you guys are gonna have like such cute little baby. Like the most awkward, like, Meg Stalter thing. And he couldn't unsend it, so it just popped up there. Isn't that crazy? I was like, depressed.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I was like, that would be my 13th reason. Like, how dare you? And Meg Stalter's so fucking funny. Like, how dare you send me this funny ass fucking hopeful thing.

[Isabella Escalante]

I know I broke up from like, awkward Woman of all time too, but

[Anna Betsahler]

it sounds like it was like a genuine. She wasn't like, doing a character.

[Isabella Escalante]

She was doing. It was a little bit of both. It was like, so genuine. It's just what she does.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, but it's cute and it's funny. So you would be like, aw, babe.

[Isabella Escalante]

You know I love Meg.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But now it's like, I can't believe you'd shame me like this.

[Isabella Escalante]

It was a depressing cameo.

[Anna Betsahler]

I wonder if anyone's ever sent a cameo to break up with someone.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, for sure.

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

You think so?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Isabella Escalante]

Would you like that depends who it's from, I guess.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, it would be less awkward for

[Isabella Escalante]

sure if it was like your favorite celebrity. I'd be like, what emotion would win?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right?

[Anna Betsahler]

Yeah. I'm like, excited, but I'm bummed.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Like if you send it from, like, Carrot Top, I'm gonna be pissed the fuck off.

[Anna Betsahler]

I am gonna be so mad.

[Isabella Escalante]

You get Carrot Top to do your dirty work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Fucking Steve Buscemis breaks up with me, I'll beat your ass. No. Then we gotta fight.

[Isabella Escalante]

It has happened, and Mark McGrath was the one, the most famous one that did it. So it has happened to send a breakup cast cameo from Sugar Ray or the lead singer of Sugar Ray.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Shut the door, baby, don't say a word. And he was like, we shutting the door, baby,

[Isabella Escalante]

I just want to fly away. And Bruce Buffer, the guy who goes,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

let's get ready to, you know, rumble that guy. Oh, the. Let's get ready to rumble.

[Isabella Escalante]

That's funny.

[Anna Betsahler]

Let's get ready to divorce.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Divorce is crazy. Let's get ready to divorce with divorce.

[Anna Betsahler]

No, no, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Then I'm driving. I'm getting in my car and I'm driving like Isabella. I'm going eight miles. I mean, like, eight hours away. We have to fight. Oh, my goodness. Well, this has been such a blast. Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. What a good time.

[Isabella Escalante]

Thanks for having us. So fun.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And we always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Any socials you want to plug? Any podcasts anymore? Where can people see you that you want to be seen? So, you know, like, not bedroom curtain, but, like, you know.

[Isabella Escalante]

Yeah, my. We do an improv podcast together called Ana and Isabella Do Improv, where we just, like, experiment with different forms and chat and do some scenes. It's fun.

[Anna Betsahler]

Check that out. You can also follow us on Instagram, anabazaler and Isabellaesque.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, you can see all of the photos of the baddie heiress. We don't have any photos of her niece. Guys, I'm so sorry, but you can see everything like that @scamgodesspod. On Instagram, you can chat with me @mgoddesspod. On Twitter, you can follow me and my own personal shenanigans at D I V A Lac I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Guys, going Dutch. Season two is out now. It's super fun. Like, look, if y' all watch the first season. Cause y' all love me. Like, please watch the second season because I'm eating. Like, we all snacking. We fucked that shit up. It's lit as fuck. And also stream Scam Goddess on Hulu and pick up my book Scam Goddess. And yes, we're going on a mini little tour in the spring. So if you're in Chicago, Irving, Texas, New York, the Grand Mercy. Can I remember them all? Sampling Francisco and Chicago. Yeah, if you're in any of those cities in the spring I'll post some flyers or whatever but like pull up on May and act a fool cuz that's what I deserve. Yes. So congregation, I want y' all to get out there. I want you to get out there and stay McDonalding. Scam Goddess Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is J. Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Isabella Escalante]

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