Charmed & Robbed by The Shadiest of Shamans w/ Jennifer Welch

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary: "Charmed & Robbed by The Shadiest of Shamans with Jennifer Welch"

Release Date: July 15, 2025 | Hosts: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) & Jennifer Welch

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Introduction

In the July 15, 2025 episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley welcomes Jennifer Welch, co-host of the comedy podcast "I've Had It". The episode delves deep into the intricate world of scams, specifically focusing on the deceptive practices of a British woman named Julietta, who posed as a faith healer and shaman to defraud her victims.

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Understanding Modern Scams: DMV Text Alerts and Spam Calls ([03:00] - [10:34])

The conversation kicks off with Jennifer sharing her recent experiences with scam texts claiming to be from the DMV about unpaid tickets. Both Jennifer and Laci highlight how these scams prey on individuals' fears and urgency, manipulating them into making hasty payments.

Laci Mosley reflects:

"They try to give you some urgency as well. They'll be like, you have an unpaid parking ticket, and if you don't pay it in the next 72 hours, we're going to impound your car..." ([03:58]).

Jennifer echoes the vulnerability:

"They are running these scam rackets, and I think some people are like, oh, shit, did I pay my ticket?" ([03:26]).

They also discuss the overwhelming number of spam calls they receive daily, emphasizing the invasion of privacy and the relentless nature of modern scams.

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Julietta: The Shadiest of Shamans ([16:00] - [30:00])

The core of the episode revolves around Julietta, a British woman who masqueraded as an Oxford-educated shaman. Over a decade, she convinced 11 vulnerable individuals to hand over a collective sum of $1 million, promising to solve their personal problems through mystical rituals.

Julietta's Deceptive Persona:

• Birth Claim: Born on an airplane at 35,000 feet, still wrapped in her mother's womb membrane, granting her special powers.
• Credentials: Claimed to have treated high-profile figures like Princess Diana and Simon Cowell.
• Operations: Partnered with Keith Bender, an osteopath, who referred his clients to her for "additional healing services."

Jennifer Welch quips:

"She probably suck the chrome off of his tailpipe..." ([58:15]).

Laci Mosley adds humorously:

"She shagged Mick Jagger and then stole his hairstyle through osmosis." ([17:44]).

Despite the glamorous facade, Julieta's actions were driven by greed. She diverted funds into luxury items and multiple high-end apartments, maintaining an extravagant lifestyle funded by deceit.

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The Anatomy of Julieta's Scam ([30:00] - [50:00])

Victims and Vulnerability: Julietta targeted individuals during their most vulnerable moments—divorces, infertility struggles, and health crises. For instance:

• Sylvia Eaves, an 83-year-old opera singer, was deceived into parting with $250,000 to cure her sister's Crohn's disease.
• Ruth Fillingham gave $169,000 to ward off evil spirits and save her partner from a non-existent tumor.

Manipulative Tactics: Julietta employed fear and false promises:

"If you don't give me that money, you're never gonna have a baby." ([52:18]).

She orchestrated elaborate rituals in the Amazon rainforest, promising spiritual offerings that never materialized. Her partner, Keith Bender, eventually uncovered the truth when he found evidence of her deception in their shared properties.

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Exposure and Conviction ([50:00] - [65:00])

Investigation: Keith Bender's discovery of Julieta's fraudulent activities led to a collaboration with journalist Tim Raymond of the Sunday Times. They exposed Julieta's scams, leading to her eventual arrest.

Legal Consequences: In 2014, Julieta was convicted of 23 counts of obtaining property by deception and fraud, receiving a 10-year prison sentence. The judge highlighted her lack of empathy and the manipulative spells she cast over her victims.

Jennifer Welch reflects on societal susceptibility:

"It's unbelievable how susceptible people can be to fall prey to these types of scams." ([27:05]).

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Insights on Scamming Psychology ([38:00] - [55:00])

Types of Scammers: Laci distinguishes between opportunistic scammers who exploit system weaknesses and those with a "God complex" who seek control and manipulation.

Underlying Motives: Jennifer contemplates the allure of magic and spirituality in scams:

"There's this desire that we as a species want to believe in something magical..." ([55:50]).

They discuss how scammers like Julieta exploit fears and desires, providing false hope to those in distress.

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Systemic Issues and Racial Implications ([65:00] - [70:00])

Systemic Bias in Scam Exposure: Laci and Jennifer touch upon the racial dynamics in scam exposure and punishment. Laci remarks:

"As long as they're ripping off poor people, nobody really notices." ([65:21]).

They compare Julieta's scam with that of Oral Roberts, an evangelical preacher who also defrauded his followers. The conversation highlights how white scammers often escape harsher repercussions, enabling them to perpetuate their deceit without significant consequences.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts ([70:00] - End)

Laci and Jennifer wrap up the episode by reflecting on the importance of skepticism and vigilance in preventing such scams. They emphasize the need to protect vulnerable individuals and challenge societal structures that allow scammers to thrive.

Laci Mosley concludes:

"Stay scheming." ([69:19]).

Jennifer adds a personal touch, promoting her podcast and book, encouraging listeners to stay informed and cautious.

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Key Takeaways

• Emotional Manipulation: Scammers like Julieta exploit personal fears and vulnerabilities to defraud individuals.
• Systemic Vulnerabilities: Institutions and societal structures often fail to protect the most vulnerable from sophisticated scams.
• Psychological Drivers: The desire for magical solutions and quick fixes makes individuals susceptible to elaborate deceptions.
• Racial and Social Biases: Scammers from marginalized communities may receive harsher penalties or less attention compared to their privileged counterparts.
• Awareness and Vigilance: Educating oneself about common scam tactics and maintaining healthy skepticism can prevent falling victim to fraud.

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Notable Quotes

• Laci Mosley ([03:58]): "They try to give you some urgency as well. They'll be like, you have an unpaid parking ticket..."
• Jennifer Welch ([03:26]): "They are running these scam rackets, and I think some people are like, oh, shit, did I pay my ticket?"
• Laci Mosley ([17:44]): "She shagged Mick Jagger and then stole his hairstyle through osmosis."
• Jennifer Welch ([27:05]): "It's unbelievable how susceptible people can be to fall prey to these types of scams."
• Laci Mosley ([65:21]): "As long as they're ripping off poor people, nobody really notices."
• Laci Mosley ([69:19]): "Stay scheming."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Scam Goddess offers a compelling exploration of the lengths to which scammers will go to deceive and exploit. Through the harrowing tale of Julieta and insightful commentary from Jennifer Welch, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the psychology behind scams and the societal factors that enable them. The discussion underscores the importance of awareness, critical thinking, and systemic change in combating fraud.

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Stay tuned for more episodes every Tuesday on Scam Goddess, where Laci Mosley continues to uncover the funny and fascinating world of fraudsters and their schemes.

Transcript

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Jennifer Welch]

Lacy, it's so to See you. You know, you won my heart when you came to our show in San Francisco and we met, and you walked backstage and just immediately did the full splits, and I immediately fell in love with you.

[Lacy Mosley]

That was such a good time. I love if you haven't been to I've had it live show. You are missing out. They are so much fun. And the crowd was so, like, riled up and lit. I was like, did. Did we give these people something, though? It was just y'.

[Jennifer Welch]

All.

[Lacy Mosley]

You gave them you and Angie, and it was fantastic. Oh, my goodness. So I do have to ask you, and I know you're gonna have an opinion, because you always do, and I. I love seeing your viral opinions all the time on my timeline, but I do have to ask you, are there any scams that you've had it with or any scams that you've seen? Anything that's interesting to you, anything that's been run on you or that you've run that's past the statute of limitations? Like, I'm curious.

[Jennifer Welch]

I'll tell you. Today I got a text, and it was like, the DMV alert. You have an unpaid ticket warrant. And it went on and on, and it linked like the. I live in Oklahoma. So it was like the oklahoma.gov and it was pretty. And I figured it was scam. But then Angie got the text at the same time, and so did my son. And so, you know, these people are running these scam rackets, and I think some people are like, oh, shit, did I pay my ticket? Or what's going on? And so I think a lot of people fall prey to that.

[Lacy Mosley]

A lot of people do. I got the same text, and what they try to do is give you some urgency as well. And we talk about that a lot on this podcast. They'll be like, you have a unpaid parking ticket, and if you don't pay it in the next 72 hours, we're going to impound your car and take it to the lot, and we go beat your ass. So you better pay up. And, I mean, if you're not paying attention or if you're in a rush, then these scams can absolutely get you. But the DMV has never made it easy to pay anything. So if y' all get this text, just remember that. That core memory, that core feeling you have every time you have to go to hel, which is the dmv, okay? They make you sit, they make you take a little ticket. You're not even getting a sandwich when you leave. They make you Take a little ticket and then you gotta sit there and then wait for your little number to come up. And there's cough. People are coughing all wild in the open and shit. Nobody uses an elbow or a tissue or even their hand. And there's babies running around and people are arguing. There's a knife fight happening outside. You know, the DMV is the most aggravated place, and you are sitting there to give them your money so they will never text you and be like, here's a convenient way for you to pay this ticket because we care about you.

[Jennifer Welch]

Exactly. I mean, it is the most, you know, like, it's the armpit of hell, the dmv. And they're not that organized nor that ambitious to facilitate an easy way for you to make a payment. Total racket.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like if you were to work at the dmv, if you want to work at the dmv, or if you're down bad and you need a job, y', all, I feel like you at least need to lie and say you work for Spirit Airlines first. I feel like those are the same type of customer service people. They're like, I'm meeting everyone on the worst day of their life. So I don't even have any empathy for y' all no more because I have to hold some for myself.

[Jennifer Welch]

Exactly, Exactly. That is hilarious. Spirit Airlines. That is so true. Right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Or you got to be a triage doctor. I saw the pit. You can't be having emotions all the time. Like, that's where you work. Yes, I. Because I couldn't do it. I would be feeling bad for everybody. I mean, if you listen to this podcast for long enough, you know, I had a lady at the dmv. Do you know how bad you have to be at adulting to have, like, a go to girl at the dmv?

[Jennifer Welch]

You had your own lady at the dmv?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. I would always try to get in her line. And the wildest thing is, like, it was just to get my registration from Texas to California. And every time I would come in, they'd be like, you're missing form C. You didn't sign form B. Back of the line. And it got to the point where I come in and I had all the forms right? I was like, this is my moment. And they were like, oh, Ms. Gladys retired. And I was like, what? Oh, no.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, no, Lacey. No, that's. Yeah, that's. It is really awful. Awful. It's an awful experience. And I'm just shocked that a lot of that isn't More streamlined, like to do online.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. Because you can pay your registration online, but only to a certain point if it gets too delinquent and they're like, this is your punishment. You gotta come inside.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's so true. It is so true. It is really like rock bottom adulthood to have to go to the dmv.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, gosh, I hope I never have to go again. I try to do everything the right way now because I was like, I never want to see those people again. And they don't want to see. I. I think there's. The feeling's mutual.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, I totally agree.

[Lacy Mosley]

But yes, guys, if you get a text message, they're doing the DMV one there. So that's the one with the parking tickets. So I have the violation notice for the unpaid toll. I have that ticket right here. And it came from Alexander B dot or dash A R Z H E L T at F1F7 dot com. You know, that's definitely legit that I need to pay him because for sure that that's the real thing. I feel like I've been getting another one too. It's not the dmv, but it's something similar. I want to see if I can find it real quick. If I can't. Oh, no. I got a Texas State Department of Motor Vehicles 1, and then I was getting one that was talking about a charge on PayPal that I needed to resolve.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yes, I've seen that one too.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, they're. They're. They're working overtime now to fish. And I get at least seven or eight spam phone calls every morning. And I need to know who sold my information.

[Jennifer Welch]

Lacey, the spam phone calls are out of control. In the last eight days since I committed to come on this chart topping podcast of yours, it's like the universe knew that I was coming. So I've been getting all these spam texts, and the spam calls are like, I would say 10 a day. I'm not exaggerating. So finally I just had it. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to answer. I'm going to answer and I'm going to chew this person out. So I answered. It says, spam call and answer. I'm like, hello? I'm like, hello? And then all of a sudden, a robot voice said back to me. Goodbye. Click. I'm like, are they just calling now? Like, why? You just called me to say goodbye? Like, and then I thought. And then I started getting crazy. I was like, oh, my God, I wonder if it's the Trump administration like trying to hack into my phone? Paranoid because they're always doing crazy evil shit all day, every day. I'm like, why would a spam caller call me to just say goodbye?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, we truly are living in the era of the cartoon villa villain. Excuse me. And I want to say to that point I would be scared too if I picked up and said hello. And it was like, we got all we need. Goodbye. Like, no. What?

[Jennifer Welch]

It really freaked me out for like an hour. So I was like, what is that? I wonder if they hacked into my phone. I mean, is this like Edward Snowden style stuff? Like what's going on here?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right?

[Jennifer Welch]

So yeah, that's creepy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's really creepy. And now I'm getting like five or six a day and like, look, some of those scam likely clauses are me, Jennifer. So pick up because I'm trying to chat.

[Jennifer Welch]

But you know what I do now, Lacey? I've turned into such a. So when you go to like say you're at Lululemon or some like the Gap or just some store and at the checkout they're like, we need your phone number. I always now say, I'm sorry, I don't get my phone number out. And then the poor person that works there kind of looks me and they're like, well, we have to be able to link it. And I'm like, I just don't want my phone number given out. And they're like, okay, can have your email address. And I'm like, that's going to be a no as well. Like I. And the reason is I don't want you to have my information because I don't trust not the clerk with my information, but the corporation with my infor information because what they're doing is double dipping. These corporations are double dippers. We go in and we buy the stuff for them that we just think we have to have and then they get our information and then they sell it on the side for a little sugar on top and I'm on to them and I'm not giving my information out anymore.

[Lacy Mosley]

You put it so perfectly. They do want you to have a store club card or what ever. Just because they want to make sure they can track your buying habits and your spending purchases and things like that by demo and stuff. And it's like, yeah, you're right. They're selling our information with a little sugar. They get a little sugar on top. I tell sugaring y I tell people, don't donate in the store to any charity because who's getting that write off? Not you. Like, don't do it. Donate to that same charity and put your own name in and write it off on your taxes. But all that Roundup stuff, we know what you're doing. We know what you're doing.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, the Roundup stuff is the biggest racket on the planet Pops and I were at. We went Halloween shopping for costumes a couple years ago right after the podcast came out. So we went to this Halloween shop and we bought these nun costumes, right? We decided we're going to be naughty nuns on the podcast. A little bit of blasphemy, right? So we go up to the checkout counter and she says. She literally looked us in the face. She's, would you like to donate to the babies? And I'm like, look around.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, the babies?

[Jennifer Welch]

What babies? And she was like, the babies with cancer. So then that pissed me off, because then you feel like an asshole if you say no. I'm like, what do you mean, the babies with cancer? And she's like, well, it's this institution. I said, no, I'm not good. I don't have time to research it. I don't think I want to donate to the babies right now. Not that I don't have empathy for, you know, child cancer. It's terrible.

[Lacy Mosley]

It is.

[Jennifer Welch]

I doubted that my situation at the Halloween shop buying the naughty nun costume was going to solve said problem. And so then she said, do you want to round up at the end? And it was like 75 cents or something. And because I already felt like I was getting so hustled and shamed, I said, yes. Well, then pumps and I get in the car and we get. We rile each other up so easily. Can you believe she asked us to round up? Do you think we should turn around and go back and ask for that 75 cents back? Of course we didn't. But then we launched a full investigation into it, and those charities barely receive any of that money. It's all a ruse.

[Lacy Mosley]

It really is. And I'm sorry. The babies. She couldn't try a little harder than General Baby? Like, would you like to help the needy? Okay, who's needing it? The store? Or like, what is that? That's too vague for me. Yeah. And you're also not just gonna take a tax write off off of me and not give the money to where it's actually going. We have no way of checking. We have no way of going back to Walgreens and being like, hey, Mr. Wall, did you get my sense? And where did it go?

[Jennifer Welch]

And did we really trust these corporations? I mean, do we really trust these corporations that act like they are the ultimate victims? And here's the truth about all of these corporations. Walmart, Walgreens, all of that. They pay their employees minimum wage. Nobody can live off of minimum wage in the United States of America. So then they have to go to the government and get assistance. Medicare, snap up food stamps, etc. So we, the taxpayers, are subsidizing these corporations for not paying their employees a livable wage. And so this is corporate welfare. And then what do the rich people do? They say, oh, look at all these people on food stamps. Look at how lazy they are. So it is just, it's gross. I don't trust corporations at all. It's all about shareholders making money and dicking over the customer at every chance they can get. I don't believe they're charitable.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Jennifer Welch]

No, I don't think she has any source of power. She's giving 1980s Studio 54 Walk of Shame vibes is kind of what I'm getting. Like maybe she just shagged Mick Jagger. Maybe an early Donald Trump, maybe did a too much blow and she's walking back. That's the vibe I'm picking up here.

[Lacy Mosley]

She shagged Mick Jagger and then stole his hairstyle through osmosis. And, and she's definitely giving like she was on that good white powder before they, they started putting other stuff in it. Like I don't, I don't know if I believe she went to the rainforest and if she did, or the Amazon jungle rather, how does that, how does that mean that you're like someone who I should take spiritual advice from? I guess I've never been to the Amazon, so you could tell me anything's happening there. And I guess I have no choice but to believe you because I've never been. I'm not going to go and investigate.

[Jennifer Welch]

Well, you know, I think that in the Amazon there's some of these indigenous tribes and they do, like, ayahuasca, and they're incredibly spiritual and, like, in touch with the earth. And there's probably a lot of magical thinking. And they probably do cast spells and do kind of cool, you know, magic stuff. I don't know that they have said power. I know that people that take psychedelics think they have a lot of superpower until the trip wears off. And that's the kind of vibe I'm getting from this lady.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's definitely given, like, she has a wood spoon and she's making everybody, like, sip from a cauldron. Yeah. And then you're just, like, throwing up in the woods and you have a spiritual experience. That's what ayahuasca means to me. I just have never wanted to. Have you ever tried it?

[Jennifer Welch]

No, I have never tried it. I mean, I did recreational drugs when I was probably in high. In not high school, in college, like, sophomore, junior year. I did mushrooms once, total blast. And one time with my gay guy friends, we went to the gay bars at the best time ever. I did ecstasy once. Months. Ended up hovering over a toilet all night. And then I tried LSD one time. So all of these were one and done. And the LSD was miserable. Like, it lasted for 10 hours. And then I had all. I was 19 years old, and I had all of these, like, hallucinations, and I felt like these birds were coming to attack me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, damn. Not tippy Hedron.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, it was total tippy Hedron. It was totally like the birds. And I felt like, when is this going to end? Because. And so out of the three, the mushrooms, totally feminine. I've never done ayahuasca. That was the extent aside some marijuana smoking of my experimentation. Experimentation, drug use, but never ayahuasca.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, me neither. There's just something about them being. Every time someone tries to sell ayahuasca to me, they're like, yes, you throw up and then you poop in the woods. And then you have. And I'm like, do you got me at evacuated my body in company? I think I'm okay on that.

[Jennifer Welch]

The idea that a sales pitch for ayahuasca is communal diarrhea and vomiting. I've had it with that. This. This brings me to the whole. When everybody's trying to pitch, you got to go to Burning Man. I'm like, I do not want to go to Burning man around a bunch of people on a bunch of drugs that haven't bathed. I don't want any part of it. I'm happy that you want to do it. I support you doing it. I have FOMO of my bed. I fear missing out my evening in my bed doing my st. Like to be with that many people. I'm out, totally out on all that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Same. They're like, it's a barter system. And you know, it's. We're in the desert and it's hot and I was like, you're not selling it for me. Like you can't bathe anywhere. Okay. And like I'm like, I'm waiting for the good part. Like, tell me when it gets good. Because if you think about selling any other product, like if I were like, oh, we have a brand new body splash and it makes you throw up and shit. But then you feel like I'm like, no, I'm good. Like, I don't. You. You lost me. You lost me. I do, I do mushrooms and it's very la. Because my shaman, his name is Cameron and he's a white dude who drives like a old Hyundai. But he's spiritual to me. Okay, he's spiritual to me, but he definitely. I was like my shaman Cameron and I was like, I don't think you can. I think you have to change your name if you want to be a shaman. It can't just be like my shaman Tom. Like you can't spice it up for me. My shaman Candace. No, it doesn't work for me.

[Jennifer Welch]

Excellent adventure is your shaman.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like I could make Jennifer my shaman though. Like you, your name. I could be like Hennifer, like if I just, just add a little Spanish on the J. Hennifer.

[Jennifer Welch]

Do you like the microdose? Do you do the psilocybin microdosing?

[Lacy Mosley]

So I don't like the gummies and stuff. I feel like they're too engineered in a lab. That's why I like my shaman. He just put it into some chocolate and there's. It's nice packaging. It tells you how much is dose, micro dose a trip. I don't do it regularly but if I'm going to like a cool concert or something, like I don't drink anymore. So I, I'll be like, oh, okay, you know, I'll try this and like have a fun experience and I won't be hungover or say anything weird.

[Jennifer Welch]

So that was the thing about mushrooms. So when I did them I was probably 20, 21. And so I'm with all these queens and we all eat them and then we go to the gay bars and I mean the, like, we were giggling and I would just Be like, looking at one of the guys. His name was Drew. And all of a sudden, his face, it would go from, like, white to purple to yellow to pink. And then I would just be dying, laughing. Lasted maybe three or four hours. No hangover, no nothing. It was the most fun drug I've ever. I mean, way better than alcohol. I don't drink anymore either. I mean, 50 years old, I haven't done a drug in 30 years. But back in the day, in the 90s, when I would get my scissors out and cut a rug out on the floor with all the gay men.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Blast.

[Jennifer Welch]

Had a blast. And that mushroom night. God, that was so fun.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. And this has been an advertisement for our sponsor, Phyllis Eblin. No, but. So back to Juliet, which also not giving me, like, Shaman Y vibes, that name Juliet. But maybe she was like, julieta. And then I'm like, I'm on board. So she convinced 11 victims to hand over a total of $1 million and promised to all their problems by nailing their cash to a tree in the South American jungle. The saying that you're going to nail my cash to a tree in a place that you and I know I will never see.

[Jennifer Welch]

I mean, that's. So did she get 11? Does she get $1 million from all 11 people, or $1 million in total?

[Lacy Mosley]

In total, from 11 people, she got a million dollars grand.

[Jennifer Welch]

Like, Everybody's coughing up 90 to 100 grand per person.

[Lacy Mosley]

And if she says she's going to nail it to a tree, that means that I can't. And are you gonna. If I sell you, are you gonna print out the transfer and then nail that to the tree, or do I have to give it to you in cash for the tree? What's going on?

[Jennifer Welch]

She's nailing it to something, but she ain't nailing it to a tree. Damn sure people are getting nailed. No question about it. They are getting bent over and nailed like nobody's business. But nothing's going to a tree. I doubt she's even going to South America. Total racket. But what amazes me about this, Lacy, is that people. People buy it. We read this article on our podcast the other day. I've had it where they were selling lots to build your home in heaven.

[Lacy Mosley]

Ooh, that's a good one.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, you'll have to look it up. Some church, some preacher somewhere was selling a place where you could build your heavenly home. And I thought, my God, that is a total racket. And I think Juliet here, Julieta, it's the you know, it's the same.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's the same thing.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And now you got me thinking, if there's lots in heaven, like, what if, what if I decide to go to black people heaven, is it going to get gentrified? Like the angels just go fly in and then start artisanal coffee shops and stuff? And I'm flapping my wings, like, what the hell?

[Jennifer Welch]

You want to live around a bunch of stuffy ass white MAGA Trumpers? Doubt it. Can I get the demographics on that neighborhood? And I need the voting record of everybody in that neighborhood. Where were they on January 6th? Can you answer that question for me?

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. I'm like, did y' all see Gabriel told me my fence is too high and the HOA is gonna take my. Can you believe this?

[Jennifer Welch]

Is that not just. And that's so crazy. You know, it's. It's like, I'm so glad that you do this on the podcast, on your podcast exposing scams, because this is what amazes me about what's going on in the United States right now. You're talking about, you know, little Juliet. I'm telling you about this preacher that's, you know, got the lots in heaven racket. And I understand crazy con people in solitude. You know, like one person, she got 11 victims, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

Preacher, let's say, gets a thousand, right? And then you have these large scale con men, and we're living in it, man. And it's just amazing how susceptible people can be to fall prey to these type of scams. But the biggest scam on the planet that has been perpetrated in this country is that if somebody is rich, they are smart. Oh, my goodness, that, that one pisses me off. Because everybody just assumes that Elon Musk is so smart, and everybody just assumes that Donald Trump is smart because we worship money so much. When you hear either of them in an interview, you're like, wait a minute, that's smart. Are you kidding me? It's crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

I always just say, like, you know, there's people who are musical geniuses out there that I'm like, there's no doubt that you know more about an instrument or sound than I do. Now, would I let you operate on my heart? No. Like, everyone can have specific areas of expertise. It doesn't mean they know everything. And being good at making money doesn't mean that you're good at everything. But we definitely take it that way. And I think, I think it's, it's sad because it means that our self esteem is so tied to how much that we produce and how much money we make. Because. So you just think you stupid because you were born in a poor socioeconomic situation. Like, how is that your fault? But, you know, I mean, that's. That's how grifters get over. They tell you they're going to remove all the negativity from your life, like Julieta, and they're going to bring you so much in return. And so people believed this. Eleven people believed that this woman, the one that we're looking at, when y' all see her, you're going to think about out all of those, like, memes of like, when they're like, oh, they. That's when they had the good cocaine in the 80s. And all the white people are on beat. It's like, look, all the white people on beat. They had that good stuff back then. I don't know where the rhythm went, but you're gonna. She was right there on beat with these people.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, totally.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Julieta claimed to have been born on an airplane, still wrapped in the membrane from her mother's womb. A lucky omen, she said that gave her special gifts as. Okay, she said that she was a seer. So a seer to me is like, traitors. You. Like, I. That's what I'm thinking of when I think of, like, what a seer is. If you know, you know, But. So she lived in North London and told people she was an Oxford educated shaman. Oh, not my word. Coming in here. Don't talk about my shaman Cameron. Okay? He's doing the right thing. So she said that she was Oxford educated and a shaman who had treated Princess Diana and. And Simon Cowell, because those are definitely held in the same esteem.

[Jennifer Welch]

I need to get back to the conditions of her birth. What were the details of that with me again?

[Lacy Mosley]

So I did. In an airplane.

[Jennifer Welch]

Airplane. She was born in an airplane In. In what? Her. What membrane?

[Lacy Mosley]

So the call membrane from her mother's womb was still, like, around her, like, wrapped around her. So she was still in the membrane when she was born on a plane. So she was born at 35,000ft and also encased in her mother's womb sack.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, so she came out in the sack is what she's claiming. On an airplane.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So she said, because of the altitude and the sack, I have special powers. And then the.

[Jennifer Welch]

The Oxford education. Is that. Is she claiming that she. She was taught how to be a shaman at Oxford or.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think she's just saying that she has an Oxford education because she. I think she's saying that you can't teach shaman. You have to be born in the sky. She was like, you can't coach.

[Jennifer Welch]

You cannot coach that.

[Lacy Mosley]

She said, I'm the last. My mom was the last lady who could be born or have birth in the sky. After that, they started checking pregnant women into having them provide doctor's notes of how far along they were. But I lie. Y' all were born on ground level. I don't know anything about that.

[Jennifer Welch]

Is she British?

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm guessing so. But she at least went to Oxford, and she says that she treated Princess Diana. I don't know what for. And Simon Cowell. So, you know, two people equal high regard. If you were interested in meeting Simon. Simon Cowell, she could set that up. So if you love American Idol and William Hung, she bang. She bang. In exchange for some of my shamanists, you can meet Simon Cow. Why is Simon in it?

[Jennifer Welch]

What she doing dragging Simon. What she doing? Dragging Princess Diana into it postmortem.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. If you a real shaman, tell me I can meet Lady D. Make that happen. I feel like I. Anybody could meet Simon Cowell. I feel like that's not as hard as we think.

[Jennifer Welch]

Now, I do think that Princess Diana did see psychics. And so this grifter, Juliet, may have read a about Princess Diana, because if you're my age, you kind of grew up. She was, like, the ultimate influencer. Princess Diana was before we had influencers. So we all knew about her. And I remember that she went to some psychics, and I especially read about that after her death in the Andrew Mor. So this lady could be piggybacking on that. Princess Diana did see a psychic or two, because she was so tortured in love, you know, Charles always taking her over, you know, screwing Camila. And then she had this doctor boyfriend, friend, Diana, so she went to see a psychic. And so this lady probably read that and has tried to use that to lend credibility, because sometimes a little bit of what she's saying is true, but. But she's completely lying. I doubt Princess Diana ever saw her, but I do believe you can fact check. I'm pretty sure Princess Diana saw a psychic or two.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's how you craft a good lie, is you base it in a little bit of truth, and it even makes you a better liar for all those aspiring liars out there giving you some tips. But okay, so I think you're right that she was like, oh, you know what? These psychics that Lady D saw or were rumored to see, I was one of them. Because we don't know the psychic's name. Typically when someone says that, oh, she loves to go see a psychic. We never know the name of the psychic. So who are we to say? She said also that she had helped cure the actor John Clerk, daughter of cancer. So she said she did that. Not the doctors, not chemo. She said, I came in, I was like, let me get into my, my membrane real quick.

[Jennifer Welch]

Let me dig into my little sack of trash, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm 35, 000ft. I'm getting the biscoff cookies. I'm flying Delta.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, you know Delta is gonna have Shake Shack on their flights.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know if I want want flight attendants heating up Shake Shack. I don't know how I feel about that.

[Jennifer Welch]

How I feel. I think Shake Shack needs to be at the Shake Shack.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, on the ground. It's a shack. I don't need the shack in the sky. That's too high up for the shack robbery.

[Jennifer Welch]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Jennifer Welch]

Totally, totally. But that's what we did. I mean, you. I mean, that was just the whole vibe. I remember I. When I first started my interior design business a long time ago, that I had a Rolodex, you know, that you just flipped. And then I would get somebody else's business card, and I would staple it to the one of the cards on the Rolodex. And a lot of them had, you know, pictures. Realtors are notorious. They always have their pictures on their business card, too. Yeah, totally.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they love a bus bench. I don't know what Realtor was like, this is the thing that we do. And everybody was like, yes, we will follow suit. We will also have bus benches. But they do. It was a thing. And honestly, if someone handed you a business card at a certain time in the world, you wouldn't question it. You'd be like, wow, this person is so professional that they went to a Kinko and printed out a piece of paper and said, this is who I am. I wouldn't look any further. Further. I. I would believe that.

[Jennifer Welch]

No, you're exactly right. I think that there was an acceptance that we all had that if somebody had a card printed up and handed it to you, that there was a legitimacy to it. Like, oh, well, this is legit. Ooh, she even had a head shot for it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Welch]

Like, you know, you rarely would question.

[Lacy Mosley]

It, because why would you take that much time to lie? You telling me you really got on Microsoft Paint and asked the paperclip, you know, to move? And then you telling me that you put a photo next to text and it didn't completely dishevel all the text when you tried to move the photo just a little bit to the left, like, you had all this patience. Like, I absolutely believe everything that you're trying to tell me right now. But obviously, in the case of Julieta, none of this was true. In reality, she was an ex cleaner, a former receptionist and temp from Guyana, which is in the British West Indies. She just had a way with words. Now, I will say she jumped around a lot. She was an ex cleaner, then she was a former receptionist and temp. So. So it's giving. You're not good at your job. It's giving. You're constantly late. And we know that you're stealing all the coffee creamer. Like, it's giving. You can't hold down employment because we went from cleaning. Clearly, I think things were not clean when you came over then. You were a receptionist, Those phones were ringing off the hook and you probably weren't taking good little notes to get calls. And then she goes to temp. When you go to temp, that means that. That you are either in between jobs and you're just trying to hold something down, or you're a type of person that temporarily can work at a place before people find out that you bad at it.

[Jennifer Welch]

Totally. You know, what do you think that the common thread in all of the grifters and scam artists that you expose, is it some, like, at the core, inferiority complex? Is it, you know, brokenness? Have you found any common link? And. And what is the impetus that causes them to become just such blatant liars and to the lack of empathy to their victims and whom they scam?

[Lacy Mosley]

So it depends. There are scammers who just are opportunistic. They see a weak link in the system. They see that the windows cracked a little bit, and so they go ahead and push it up and climb inside the house and, you know, burglarize. And those are victims of circumstances. And those tend to be the scammers that I enjoy more because. Because they tend to scam up. They tend to take from people who are already taking so much from us. But then you have your God complex scammers who are really in it for the control. And they. And those are the people who get caught because they can't just stop. It's like when you're at the casino and you hit and you hit and you hit and you get all of these winnings and then you just keep playing until you give it all back to the house because you just enjoy the high of thinking you got over, you won, you tricked these people. And I think there is a bit of, like, control and manipulation there. And so it could be you don't feel like you have control in your own life. But I do think there's different types of Scammers. And definitely different leagues of thought here.

[Jennifer Welch]

I definitely. That makes perfect sense. And I agree with you on the ones that scam up being a little bit more enjoyable.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And I think with Julietta, it was that she just didn't really like being poor. She was like, this is not for me. I wasn't born to be this way. Some people should just be rich. Like, you know, you meet rich people and they're really tacky, and they have no taste and they don't know what to do with their money. Like, she wasn't that. Like, it's giving. Like, I was born to be rich. And, like, I'm gonna make it cute. Like, I'm gonna buy. I'm gonna buy all the good things. Okay. I'm gonna get the book. Life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches, and my house is gonna be cut. So I. I live. I live for it. The other thing that I wanted to say about her before I move on is that temp agencies made me think of. Of the fact that I worked for a temp agency for a little while. And obviously I have some scam tendencies. I have too many jobs. It's like, what. What is she doing with her life? It's. I. I don't scam people in them. But still, it's like, why do you have so many jobs? Why are you a serial entrepreneur? I worked for a temp agency once, and I had to fill out a survey before, like, getting the job. It was just, like, one of the things that was a part of it. And some of the jobs were restaurant jobs. Some were catering. Some were answering phones. But the common thread was this survey. And in the survey, it would be like, ask me questions about your working style. We all know what you're supposed to put on those. Like, oh, are you timely? Push one to five. Five being I'm late as hell. Or one being I'm early. Like, I'm gonna get there and sleep in my car till you open up. And there was one question that came up that was like, have you ever done methamphetamines? And this was a yes or no. And I was like, no. And then it was like, how often do you do methamphetamine? It means. And I was like, never. And then it was like, do you. Would you describe your meth use as casual or frequent? It was. It just kept asking me questions about meth. And I was like, this is really weird. And I think it was like, they thought maybe they could trick people who were using meth to Be like, oh, I say never here. Okay. Well, it seems like they're cool with me doing meth, so I'll say I'm a dabbler. Like, what is this? This?

[Jennifer Welch]

So they're trying to checkmate the. The meth user.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like meth users are going to work very hard at temp agencies, so they're not sleeping. But it just reminded me it was a core memory unlocked when. When I read temp agency of, like, that agency that just kept asking me about math. I think they were trying to trick me.

[Jennifer Welch]

Put any math in your coffee?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? Just a little bit from 1 to 5. How much meth do you use a day? Like, what do you mean? So let's get into the victims. So each of Juliet's victims was a vulnerable person in some way. She got to them while their marriages were collapsing or they were struggling to get pregnant or burnt out, and worked each of them over several years. So it wasn't like she got the 100k from each person or however much from each person, like, in one transaction. She was working these people over. One woman was in the early stages of dementia. That is horrible. So she placed ads for her shaman services in the back of a Tattler magazine offering consultations for 35 pounds. This is definitely happening in the UK, which is pretty affordable. Right? She found many of her marks through one key member of the community named Keith Bender. I swear to God, y' all stop naming your babies Keith, because I haven't. I don't know if I've met a good one.

[Jennifer Welch]

What about Bender? Did he even know her?

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, we know Juliet was getting nailed.

[Jennifer Welch]

Thought he was nailing her. Keith.

[Lacy Mosley]

Keith. That's what. That's what Keiths do. So Keith was an osteopath, which is a kind of alternative medicine practitioner who claims to detect, treat and prevent health problems by moving, stretching and massaging a person's muscles and joints. In the uk, it's a regulated profession, but it's not the same thing as going to medical school and becoming an md. The alternative medicine area meant Keith had some things in common with Juliet off the bat, because. I don't know, I think osteopathy can definitely work. I do believe in Eastern medicine. I will get a cupping situation going on or some acupuncture. I don't think that a pill in Western medicine is always the solution for what ails us, but there is something about osteopathy and being a chiropractor that I'm like, it's a little skin scammy. Sometimes it can work.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay, I have to tell you something. And your listener. Okay, so when I'm not a podcaster, I'm an interior designer. And I had. About four years ago, I had two sets of chiropractors that were my clients. They were building new houses. I was doing all the interior design. And so I'm over at one of the client's house one day and her dog is there. And the dog is kind of acting like it doesn't feel well. And she just gotten the dog. And I was like, oh, is the dog sick? And she said, well, we rescued this dog because it fell prey to vaccines and rabies vaccine made it really sick. And I was like, God, I've never heard of such a thing. And she said, our other dogs here, see, they're not vaccinated. And I said, you don't vaccinate your dogs. She goes, no, we don't vaccinate ourselves. Our children, no, we're completely anti vax. I thought that was nuts, right? So then about a year later, I have another. They. That chiropractor referred another chiropractor to me, same situation. So then I have to go hit the goo and I goog it up. And these chiropractors are notorious anti vaxxers. And so that I didn't know that. And I think that like everything, I think some chiropractic can be beneficial for car wreck victims or what have you. But I'm with you that it teeters on a little bit of a racket. I went to one, one time they rotate you and I was like, in for like one minute. They did this pop thing and then out. And after about two or three visits, I was like, this isn't doing anything. This is a total racket. And if anybody has benefited from it, I don't want to dismiss, you know, they benefited you. But I was shocked as shit in the situation that everybody has to understand about vaccines. It's completely different than what Lacey was saying about in Western culture, we think a pill can fix everything. I agree with you on that. The pharmaceutical companies are for profit, be out of control. But as it comes to vaccine, we've literally eradicated measles, like in, in things.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it's back. Baby measles is so bad.

[Jennifer Welch]

Bad Trump's America. And it's because of these anti vaxxers and it's nuts. It's completely, completely nuts. And the chiropractors is a hotbed of anti vax.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think that if you're going to be anti Vax, you have to be anti hospital as well. Don't call nobody when you get sick, okay? You stay at home and we'll get you some cold compresses and some leeches and you go ahead and pass away from consumption, okay? Don't bother. Don't inundate the hospital system because all of a sudden when anything bad happens to us physically, even anti vaxxers get in the hospital or in an ambulance, they're not asking what's in the IV drip. They're trying to live. They don't want to die. But I'm like, no, no, no, no. If you're going to commit to it, commit to the bit fully. Don't go to a hospital, don't get any help ever.

[Jennifer Welch]

I think we get all of these, the quote home researchers, you know, that are doing. I'm conducting my own research. You know, some guy you went to high school with, he was a dipshit in high school and is a dipshit as an adult who's doing all this research on Facebook. I think at the hospitals they should have Facebook tents in the parking lot. And, and it should say if you get your medical advice on Facebook, these are the doctors you see, these are the experts and they're here under these tents in the parking lot. Those of you who believe the physicians and the bodies of, you know, decades worth of research and these doctors that went medical school for 20 plus years, you can access the hospitals.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, Jennifer, don't give me no ideas because I would be in the tent with my ivermectin. Like, come on in. Next.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yep, that'll be $300 being there doing hiahuasa with Julieta.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. It's gonna make you. You gonna poop out and out all the diseases and don't worry about it. Don't think too much. Okay. I saw it on Reddit. Now come on over. So. So Keith and Julietta meet, right? In the 90s. They become friends. Him, money. When While he was going through bankruptcy and a painful divorce. Then she told him she was a shaman and she could tell he had cancer and he believed her. She paid for him to travel with her to Suriname, a former Dutch colony in South America in 1996. Based on this trip, her story seemed to check out, at least to Keith. He started referring his osteopath patients to her for extra healing services. So now they have, they're working together. It's like Keith gets them for osteopathic homeopathy. He's giving him the massage, he's telling them where it hurts. And then he's like, you should also see a shaman. That's. I'm gonna write you a prescription for a shaman.

[Jennifer Welch]

Double sugar, baby. Double sugaring.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. Right back to the babies that we need to donate to general baby. So Juliet told her victims the money was a sacrifice which would lead to a spiritual offering at a sacred tree in the Amazonian rainforest. There, two other shamans named Pa and Oma would perform rituals around the money before it was sent back and their problems would be resolved. So give me the money and then we gonna go to the forest and we gonna do our forest dance. Okay. Like we're gonna do our ritual and then we'll send it back to you.

[Jennifer Welch]

That is bananas. I wonder if she ever even went to the Amazon.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, she did take that one trip with Keith. So Keith was convinced that she was an Amazonian lady. And I feel like she just probably watched some Xena Warrior Princess and was like, I have an idea where Juliet.

[Jennifer Welch]

Keith doing hia in the Amazon. Because I would think that then you could think anybody was anything. That's what I want to know. Were they hitting the hia in the Amazon?

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like they just took people's money. Obviously they didn't go to the Amazon, but they told the people they were going to be like, look, we're going to take your money. And my Amazonian friends, Oma and Opa, we're going to go out there and be like, sha la la la la la la la. Wow, Dee. How? How De. How. And then we'll bring you your money back and it's gonna heal you. I mean, people did it. She convinced people to make financial sacrifices. And an 83 year old opera singer is one of these victims. Her name is Sylvia Eaves. And she gave up more than $250,000. Keith suggested Julietta helped her treat her sister Margaret's Crohn's disease. So we took a trip there. It was Keith. He was like, hey, this is great osteopathy for this 83 year old opera singer. You know who's also gonna help my homegirl Julieta. She gonna help your sister with her severe Crohn's disease by going to the Amazon.

[Jennifer Welch]

That is wild. So Keith is in on the racket.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, obviously at this point he trusts Julietta in some way or another. So one thing day, look, Sylvia was driven around London by a friend of Julieta so she could take out $30,000 in cash, installments from separate branches of Barclays and stuff it into manila envelopes. That Julietta used for sacrifices. So somebody was like, sylvia, we'll take your old self around town and you can pull out cash from each bank and then put it in envelopes. And we're going to take some the Amazon, and we're gonna twerk on it, and then we're gonna bring it back.

[Jennifer Welch]

That's exactly. I mean, truly, that's exactly what they're saying. We're gonna go twerk in the Amazon, and then we'll bring it back.

[Lacy Mosley]

I am.

[Jennifer Welch]

I hate to be a spoiler alert, but obviously they never got their money back, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. No. And Margaret's sister was not cured and she passed away. A woman named Ruth Fillingham sold her home because Julietta said it was sw. Spooked. Ruth paid $169,000 from 1998 to 2004 to ward off evil spirits of her deceased. Her. I'm sorry, her deceased, her deceased brother. And save her partner from a non existent tumor and ensure her eye surgery would be a success, which it was not. Y' all stop letting them people cut on your eyes. Lasik has very bad success rates. That's another scam ask your doctor about. Here's the thing that we should have all realized about Lasik is if you get lasik done and your doctor's wearing glasses. Wait a minute.

[Jennifer Welch]

I totally agree. That's a great point. You know what's so sad about all that, Lacy, is, you know, as human beings, we just. We want. When we're suffering and faced with our own mortality or somebody we love's mortality, we're willing to do anything, anything to cling on to a little bit more time on earth or to fix a problem. And these sociopaths like Julietta, I mean, just doesn't feel empathy for the victims at all and uses the worst part of their life and sounds like the latter part of their lives to exploit them.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And just the fact that she was doing it in such different ways, like shaman. I don't know what a shaman does specifically. So she had a great grift going here because it's kind of a catch all for any spiritual thing. She says she can heal diseases. She's going to make your eye surgery go well. She's going to cure your sister of Crohn's disease. She, oh, there's a ghost in your house. She went to this lady's house and then ran outside like, ah, the ghost of your brother is in there. And he was an asshole. And then she's like, my brother was an asshole. Okay. I Paid this shaman. And these are just a few of the people that she did this to. She told a man named Jeff to hand over $195,000, make sure that he didn't get laid off, but he was still laid off. Now, if you're gonna lose your job, I think you would want to keep that $195,000, because that seems smart. Another woman who was in the press after she gave Juliet almost $200,000 over three years because this woman was struggling with infertility, and it was just. Oh, gosh. She even convinced this lady who eventually got pregnant to abort the child because she said the baby was going to be deformed. And the woman did. So Julietta is a special kind of evil. Like, she wasn't just taking the money and running.

[Jennifer Welch]

Do you think the shaman suggestion. Do you think that as human beings, we want to believe in magic? Like, there's this desire that we as a species, want to believe in some sort of magic and magic that, you know, meaning that something that can help us, that overcome something that we cannot control. So you have a lot of religions that engage in magical thinking. The shaman, especially for people of the western, western cultures, there's this allure around it that, oh, a shaman, they know something because they live with the earth, that maybe it lends it credibility because we as people so desperately want to believe in something magical.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think we do because it solves some problems or it alleviates some fears. So we all do hope that there is something magical that can save us in situations where. Where we feel like we can't save ourselves. And look, Julietta wasn't praying for these people. She wasn't exercising their homes of their dead brother with the bad vibes. She was using this cash to fund an extravagant lifestyle, including designer handbags, luxury holidays, antique furniture. She kept many luxury apartments in the fanciest areas of london and would pay up to a year's rent in advance in cash and occupy several of them at once. She couldn't just have one home. She was like, I need one. Multiple, multiple homes. And keith would put his name on the rental agreement for four separate apartments for julietta in london. Now, remember, she paid upfront for the first year in cash, But Keith's name is on the rental agreement. So she went shopping at cartier chanel. Why am I saying these names like I don't know them? She went shopping at cartier chanel, Louis vuitton, and later in a trial, because, you know, she gets caught. The judge was particularly mad that she bought a $4,000 Hermes bag. The money. Now why are you mad at that? Were you on the waiting list judge for that Hermes skiving hater. It's giving hater you like. You got that new Birkin. Put her in the jail. Put her under the jail. You know, I've seen enough. I love being upset about that. So in 2000, 2007, to answer your question earlier, Jennifer, Keith believed in Julietta. He went to the Amazon with her. He really thought that, you know, he works in osteopathy, so he believes in some woo woo witchiness. But in 2007, he finally got suspicious that she was lying. She gave him envelopes of cash to pay outstanding bills on their rental properties. The envelopes looked pretty similar to the ones she was supposed to be sending to South America as religious sex sacrifices. So he was like, wait a minute. These rental apartments are not supposed to be paid for. He thought he actually was helping his clients.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, God. Keith Bender. I mean, Keith Bender, he kind of.

[Lacy Mosley]

Looks like a goober. Look at him with his toothless smile. That's a smile white people give to black people when they see them on the street, like strangers. They're like, how's. How's it going on?

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, no, he's. He's total goob. I mean, no question about it. And he. Do you think he was in love with her?

[Lacy Mosley]

Maybe she was a baddie. So she was a bad that you could never kill while she would steal.

[Jennifer Welch]

And she was probably pretty hot in a sack. She probably knew, you know, she gives that. She probably suck the chrome off of his tailpipe and, you know. You know, she probably knew how to keep keeping, you know, satisfied.

[Lacy Mosley]

And he ended up breaking into one of her apartments that he had co signed on in London. And he found all of this trash unopened designer bags and a pet capuchin monkey.

[Jennifer Welch]

What?

[Lacy Mosley]

Who had been smuggled.

[Jennifer Welch]

Who was taking care of this monkey?

[Lacy Mosley]

Clearly nobody, because the apartment was trash and the monkey probably. Probably did it. I'm sorry, monkey, you're implicated. I don't think you're innocent, monkey. So Keith also found evil eye symbols painted on the walls and a new barrister's wig that was still in the box. There were freezers full of rotten meat, which was notable because she told her clients not to eat red meat or drink alcohol, which would invalidate their financial sacrifices. So Keith took pictures of the piles of designer goods and the. The receipts totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash payments, including a Rolex watch 63, 000 on jewelry and luxury goods and 40, 000 on designer furniture.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then, you know, you think of like, London is one of the most expensive cities in the world.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Keith tipped off Tim Raymond, a journalist for the Sunday Times, and they tracked down Juliet so they could get her side of the story, only to be followed by powerful police chief boyfriend. Oh, her police chief boyfriend.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, my God.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so she had her police chief boyfriend follow them after they were asking questions. And so she ended up getting detained and questioned by officials at the airport. I love when they pick the girls up off the tarmac.

[Jennifer Welch]

And so, oh my God, this is crazy. But. So you're telling me that she had a relationship with the police guy?

[Lacy Mosley]

So on Keith's tip, Tim Raymond, a journalist for the Sunday Times, tracked down Julietta and found her to get her side of the story, only to be followed by her powerful police chief Bradley boyfriend.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Detained and questioned by officials at the airport. So it sounds like her boyfriend turned on her.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, but it. It's like, so she has Keith as one boyfriend and then the police chief as another. And so, I mean it. Despite being like total sociopath criminal mind, I think we have. I think it's called amorous narcissist. You know, they. They're narcissists that get people to fall in love with them, that gaslight them and love bomb them and all that. And I guarantee you, Julieta, our little ayahuasca eating, just left Studio 54 after doing a bunch of rails with Mick Jagger.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why is Mick in it? Mick? Like, why am I in it, Bender.

[Jennifer Welch]

And the police chief. And I bet she thought, okay, I'll have. I'll have a police chief boyfriend in case I get caught. I bet that was a CYA thing, a cover your ass thing.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think you're exactly right. It seems like she knew how to get people in a specific position of authority to fall for her. Because if we think about it, the osteopath does hold a sense of authority to some people. They believe in, you know, his homeopathic Woo, woo, woo. I'm gonna give you a massage medicine, right? And then once that authority figure tells you Julietta is on the up and up, then she's already got her foot through the door. And if you have a police chief that she's also dating, maybe she was trying to cover her ass in CYA just in case case she got caught. So in 2014, 59 year old Julietta was convicted of 23 counts of obtaining property by deception and fraud. She was sentenced to 10 years in the prison, the judge said she had cast a spell over her victims and persuaded them to hand over money or they would face terrifying consequences. Which she did, because, remember, she. She was like, oh, you're gonna lose your job if you don't give me this money. Oh, your sister Margaret's gonna die if you don't give me this money. Oh, your dead brother is gonna camp out in your living room of this house if you don't give me that money or sell that house. The last woman, she told her, if you don't give me that money, you're never gonna have a baby. She really preyed on people's fears. And back to what you said, Jennifer. Like, why do people invest in spirituality? It's actually to quell those fears.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so now you have this woman coming over, like, I can stop all this bad stuff from happening, but if you don't give me the money, it's definitely gonna happen.

[Jennifer Welch]

Totally. I mean, that's. You know, in Oklahoma, when I was growing up, there was a preacher by the name of Oral Roberts. And now there's a university in Tulsa called. So I had this grandmother that was just meaner than a rattlesnake. I mean, just the biggest bitch you could ever imagine. Right. She was a total nut. And she around and watch, you know, like, right wing News and then switch to the evangelical preachers. So you get the kind of white lady I'm talking about. Right. And so we go over there one day and she's writing a check to Oral Roberts because he has locked himself up in a tower. And he has said that if I don't get. I think it was a million dollars or $10 million, I can't remember. What if I don't get $10 million? God is going to kill me. And people like my poor grandmother who was on. On Meals on Wheels, like, oh, so.

[Lacy Mosley]

She can't afford to be giving him money away. Yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

And she's given it to this total crook evangelical preacher. And here's what's so messed up about the whole thing. That should have been disqualifying for this man for the rest of his life. Should have gone to prison, the whole nine. He didn't go to prison. In fact, now he has. And I think he's dead now. But in his name, there is. He started a university, Oral Roberts University in Tulsa. And it's a D1 school.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's a legitimate school.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's a legitimate school. And this guy is a total con artist. That ripped off, just like Julieta here does it's crazy how, particularly in this country, white people get away with that ship with impunity. It's unbelievable. I mean, because that should have just. They certainly shouldn't have a university. And he certainly should have gone to jail. It's crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I'll take it a step further and say that as a scammer, you can get away with robbing people blind as long as those people are poor. If you try to Elizabeth Holmes it, like, put your black turtleneck on and give Silicon Valley, you know, a run for their money, they gonna put you under the jail like you're going to federal prison. Yeah, there's tennis courts, but you're gonna be in there. You better hope you get Mar. Ste's old room shout out to a baddie and an icon.

[Jennifer Welch]

Lacy, that is such an excellent point, that as long as they're ripping off poor people, nobody really notices. And then you can have a university.

[Lacy Mosley]

You can have a university still.

[Jennifer Welch]

That is such a good point.

[Lacy Mosley]

Trump had a university like the girls will have a university. I will say that the monkey, the capuchin monkey, that his name was Joey. And I think Joey should have gone to prison too, AKA the zoo. But Joey was rescued by an animal sanctuary where he was rehabilitated and lived for several more years. He was symbolically adopted by actor and comedian Stephen Fry. So not only did Joey make out like a bandit, he also got to live with a celebrity to end his days. Now, I don't think that this is right because Joey should have went to the zoo. Joey should be locked up and hoping that kids will throw bananas at him, because I think Joey was involved. Walk with me here. Look at. Look at that monkey. Nefarious.

[Jennifer Welch]

Totally. He. Totally. He was in on the scam. He was part of the whole shaman thing. I bet you he was doing ayahuasca, all the stuff. I bet he was vomiting and diarrhea.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just out for sure, because those types of monkeys are really smart. I've worked with one on icarly. We had a monkey, and I hope I'm saying it right, a capuchin monkey. But we had one, and it was a famous one. It would been in the hang. It had been in all these movies, and it could do flips and drink beers and dance and like, you name it, this monkey could do it. That's why I'm saying this monkey's too smart, y'. All. Letting the monkey off the hook because it's a monkey. And I don't. I don't believe that it wasn't involved. That's all I'm saying.

[Jennifer Welch]

There always seems to be some rogue monkey in on in on the hustle.

[Lacy Mosley]

I bet you that monkey stole so much money from people doing flips running away with it. No, this monkey is not innocent. I'm sorry, that's. And that's where I'm going to end the show is on. The monkey's not innocent. No, just justice for Joey. But thank you so much for being here, Jennifer. This was such a fun time. We always ask at the end of the podcast where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug promote all of those good things?

[Jennifer Welch]

Yes, you can find me at. I've had it podcast on all of the platforms and my personal Instagram is Ms. Welch M I Z Z W E L C H and the book that Lacy was telling you about written by myself and my co host, Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches chronicles all of our many fuck up and how we survived them. It's a great little juicy read. I always haven't had my shit together. Life was messy, but somehow I finally kind of pulled it off at age 50.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, and you are killing it. I didn't know you were 50. Girl. You look great. See, that's what happens when you're unproblematic. You look good. Always. Yes, thank you so much for being here. It's so good to talk to you and congregation. I want you to get out there and stand. Stay. I want you to stay shamaning, okay? We could all be a shaman to others in our lives and to ourselves. Cuz what does it even mean? Yes, stay shamaning. Okay? Amen. Scam God is this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam got us stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Casisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

[Jennifer Welch]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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