Crooked College Wall Street Investor w/ Cristen Conger (Fraud Friday)

Summary

Scam Goddess — “Crooked College Wall Street Investor” w/ Cristen Conger (Fraud Friday)

Date: April 17, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Cristen Conger (Unladylike)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess is a classic “Fraud Friday” re-release from the vault, featuring writer and podcaster Cristen Conger. Laci Mosley and Cristen dive into the wild tale of a privileged Duke student who turned Wall Street scammer—pulling off Ponzi schemes, defrauding friends and family, living extravagantly, and getting caught over and over across decades. With the signature irreverent humor and candid conversation, they pick apart the psychology and sociology of con artists, why people fall for scams, and how fraudsters keep bouncing back.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Congregation Banter & Scam Backgrounds

[01:36–11:41]

• Laci introduces Cristen Conger, touching on both her work and hilarious stories of growing up church-hopping and being homeschooled.
• Discussion on family dynamics (being the youngest vs. oldest, scrappiness, and inherent “scammer” tendencies).
• Cristen admits: “I do love scams... as the youngest of five, I am inherently a scammer.” [06:32]
• “If it’s free, it’s for me.” [11:27, Laci]

2. Listener Scam Story: The Amazon Fire Stick Gift Card Almost-Scam

[14:51–22:56]

• A listener named “Doris” almost falls for a fake Amazon tech support scam: she’s told to buy a $100 gift card to “verify her location” so her Fire Stick works for a party.
• Analysis of how urgency and desperation make people override their scam radar.
• “The internet is a dark alley, okay? You always gotta watch out.” [16:00, Laci]
• Takeaway: If someone asks for $100 to fix a device worth $25, that’s a scam.
• The hosts riff on modern inflation, consumer confusion, and evolving scam tactics.

3. Main Scam Story: The Duke College Ponzi Schemer / Wall Street Fraudster

[23:36–58:50]

The Scammer’s Origin Story

• Starts at Duke University (1982): David forms a student investment club, quickly pools $8,000 from peers.
• Graduates with an art history degree, not finance—Cristen jokes, “He must have been rich then if he left Duke with an art history degree.” [26:22]
• Rapid post-grad wealth: $5M in art, $3M real estate, luxury cars—all fueled by fraud.

How the Scheme Worked

• Promised investment returns, produced fake trade statements, and perpetuated a Ponzi scheme: paying old clients with new clients’ money.
• Registered an official-sounding company (“Greater Sutton Investor Group”) and leased a luxe NYC office.
• Claimed social proof with fake clients: “the Sultan of Brunei, the Rockefeller family, and Bill Cosby.” [40:43]

Downfall & Jail

• Caught at 23, charged with mail/securities fraud—sentenced to 8 years and stripped of assets.
• “Financial fraud will put you in jail. Jail.” [44:03, Laci]

Can’t Stop, Won’t Stop

• Leaves jail; recidivism kicks in:
  • 2000: Steals another $50,000, gets 5 more years.
  • Moves to California with a new wife (who eventually discovers credit cards being fraudulently opened in her name and gets sued by his victims).

Adapting with the Times

• Continues scamming: posing as an investor, “insider trading” claims, and manipulating wealthy neighbors in LA.

• Even as recently as 2022, arrested for 12 counts of grand theft; “his current activities are unknown” (i.e., probably still active).

• “He needs to retire with a full 401k... No one’s working harder in crime. No one’s more dedicated.” [57:21, Laci]

Scam Analysis and Psychology

• Cristen: “I bet he was the guy Doris called about the Fire Stick. He had an official sounding voice.” [57:10]
• Laci: “He has a passion for fraud... this is his talent. Why would he give up his skill?” [58:16–58:31]
• Reflection on why some fraudsters can’t (or won’t) stop and the particular privileges that make serial scams possible.

4. Scammer of the Week: Cornhole League “BagGate”

[60:22–68:15]

• The 2022 American Cornhole League World Championship is rocked by “BagGate”: finalists use illegal (too-small) beanbags for an advantage.
• “White people Spades” — Laci’s guide to cornhole culture. [61:17]
• Both accusers and accused are found cheating.
• “Why is the professional cornhole league letting you bring your own beanbags in the first place?” [63:27, Laci]
• Take on sports, cheating, and the surprising money (up to $250K/year), with riffs on possible sponsors: “Bush’s Baked Beans, Axe Body Spray, Mountain Dew.” [66:05]
• Hosts marvel at the pointless enforcement: “Why even do the work of investigating if, when you get the results, you don’t care?” [68:03, Laci]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On scam psychology:
  “Scamming is a profession, and I think that’s what people forget. They think people are lazy; they’re just hard-working people who want to do crime.” [23:00, Laci]

• On inflation:
  “You go to the grocery store, it feels like they auctioning now. We gotta celebrate. We gotta celebrate going for $1.99... Who wants celery?” [21:19, Laci]

• On the scammer’s bravado:
  “First I decided what I want to buy. Then I worry about how I’m going to pay for it.” [28:22, David (quoted by Laci)]

• On repeated criminality:
  “He has a passion for fraud… Why would he give up his skill? He’s perfected it!” [58:16, Laci]

• On the Cornhole scandal:
  “Why is the professional cornhole league letting you bring your own beanbags in the first place? LeBron don’t come with his own [basketball].” [63:27, Laci]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:36 — Guest introduction & family/church stories
• 06:28 — Cristen: “All of the above” (relationship with scams)
• 14:51 — Listener scam story: The “Amazon Fire Stick” gift card saga
• 23:36 — Main story: The Duke Wall Street scammer (David)
• 29:06 — Anatomy of the Ponzi scheme
• 44:01 — Post-prison recidivism and new scams
• 46:34 — Discussion on the scammer’s marriage and further cons
• 53:17 — LA phase: neighborhood investment scams
• 60:22 — Scammer of the Week: Cornhole League “BagGate”
• 68:42 — Guest plugs & signoff

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Tone, Takeaways & Format

• Irreverent and fast-paced: Laci and Cristen riff, roast, and unpack the absurdity of scams, calling out privilege, gender, and social factors.
• Cautionary & empowering: The hosts emphasize scam awareness—protect your info, beware of “official voices,” and trust your gut.
• Running gags:
  • Calling out “Scraps” (Cristen’s childhood nickname as a lunch scavenger)
  • The “passion for scam” refrain
  • Comparing sports league scandals to everyday fraud

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Final Thoughts

If you missed the episode, you’ll leave understanding the mechanics of Ponzi schemes, why some cons keep running for decades, and how scammers prey on trust and social networks. Cristen and Laci keep it humorous and relatable, reminding listeners—stay schemin’, but don’t get got.

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Transcript

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Unidentified Host 1]

Scams ca.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley. And we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see along the way. Y' all know how this goes, as always. What? Am I coming? Come on, Parasocial girlies. Yes, I'm excited. I'm extremely excited for today's guest. Today we have the creator and co host of the Webby Award, a winning podcast, okay, Unladylike, where she explores contemporary feminist issues and historical context. I love that. She also is a booked and busy writer with her work appearing on Jezebel, Bitch Media, Exo Jane, and Howstuff Works. Hey, Housestuff girlies. We know who y' all are. Congregation, please welcome the ever talented Kristen Conger. I should ask before, did I say your name right? Is it Conger? Conjure.

[Kristen Conger]

It's Conger.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I said it wrong.

[Kristen Conger]

No, you did it. You did it perfectly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You did it Conger for the congregation. Come on, Conger.

[Kristen Conger]

Okay, you already. You're already reading my mind because, well,

[Unidentified Host 1]

I Mean, it's not that hard to put conger and congregation together. But I was going to say I

[Kristen Conger]

am the youngest of five. Big family. As a kid, we went to church all the time, and for much of my childhood, I thought that congregation was like, a church joke about my big family.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that you were like, oh, y' all are so sweet, bringing us in.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I thought it was like, this inside joke.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Also, being the youngest of five is a scam, because we all know the first child is the practice child. That was me. If you get middle siblings, then, you know, they trying to get their attention and whatever. But the last one. Oh, that's the sweet spot. Ooh. Your parents are too tired to punish you as much. Like, they're just like, oh, I don't know. Go to your room.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, I can hear the middle children in my family there. My middle siblings ears are burning right now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. Now, I have to ask you first, if you don't mind sharing, what religion were you in? Church all the time. We talking mass. Like, get up, sit down. Get up, sit down. Like, holy.

[Unidentified Host 1]

No, no.

[Kristen Conger]

I mean, my family was. They were kind of classic 1990s, like, evangelical church hoppers, so.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Church hoppers.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now, why are they moving around so much?

[Kristen Conger]

Well, they had a passion for Jesus

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

and were looking for the right place to.

[Unidentified Host 1]

To congregate.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love your family. Your parents just, like, assessing the vibes of the church. Like, they're just going to churches like it's free before living at the club. Well, yeah, their wafers were a little stale. I don't know. I feel like we could do better.

[Unidentified Host 1]

It really. It was not. You're not that it was a lot,

[Kristen Conger]

but at least I got a really

[Unidentified Host 1]

fun congregation pun out of it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know that. You did. Did you go to youth church ever?

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Because, Lacey, this is when I further revealed to you that I was homeschooled

[Kristen Conger]

during this time as well.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So this was your. This was your interaction. You were like, it's lit.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If I was gonna see a boy

[Unidentified Host 1]

I was not blood related to, like, I had to get to church.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're like, kristen loves going to church.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah. So, you know, and I adjusted out of it just right as rain.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that Little Kristen was like, hey, y', all, it's Wednesday night prayer meeting. We need to go now. Like, what's. Okay. I got youth group. Come on. We gonna be late.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Having, like, a heavy eye shadow. Really getting gussied up. Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that for you. And also, we always talk about this show. Like, if you're a hater, like, find a hater job, like being a parking meter person or working in the irs. But also, I think if you're a corny person, find a corny person job. And being a youth pastor, peak corny person job. Okay.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristen Conger]

But it's also a fine line between corny and creepy. And you know, actually. Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you're a creep. If you're a creep, find a padded room. Like, don't spare us, please. That's the least you can do. I would be proud of somebody who was like, yo, I really started doing some thought and I'm a creep. So I'm just gonna stay at my house. Like, not bother y'. All. Like, why don't you do that? You could just stay at your home, creep. I guess it's not your fault you were born a creep. I don't know. It probably is. So stay home. I don't, you know, don't bother everybody with your creepiness. But I know exactly what you're saying. We do not have to go down that road. But Chad. But the first road we are gonna go down is Kristen. I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you been scammed? Have you run any scams that are past the statute of limitations? It could be anything, I think.

[Kristen Conger]

Yes. All of the above.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not all of the above. Same.

[Kristen Conger]

I do love scams. I, as you pointed out so wisely, as the youngest of five, I am inherently a scammer.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

[Kristen Conger]

And not only was I the youngest, like, there's. There's a four year gap between me and the next kid. So, like, truly the baby, like, I was a real oopsie daisy, you know,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

where it's like, we were done. Here you come scamming your way into your mama womb. Exactly. I'll be renting this out for the next nine months and sucking all the calcium out of your teeth. What's good?

[Unidentified Host 1]

I was a scam.

[Kristen Conger]

And I think it's also something, though, as the youngest, or maybe it's just part of being in a bigger family where you do have to get scrappy and you know, cause the resources, they're gonna go to the oldest first.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's a scam of being the oldest.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If they have the resources, if they have you when they all young and shit, then you grow up with a different life. Like, I remember when I was a little kid, my mom did have an apartment at some point. And then after that, every House we moved into was built new. Like, I never lived in a house that anybody else lived in. And my sister wrote around in Mercedes Benzes and shit, so she won. She won on that.

[Kristen Conger]

But did she get your hand me downs at all?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, she just steals my nice clothes now. She was too good for that. I remember one time I took her to a dentist appointment, and this was like. I maybe was like, 16. I just got my driver's license and was driving, and the roads were slick because it had just rained. And I got into a small fender bender. But I had the kind of car that, like, it. It was like a Hyundai Elantra. And I said, like, it's a foreign word. And so the car crumpled a little bit in the front because I think that's just, like, an impact protection. But it wasn't a bad accident. My sister was maybe like, four or five at the time. She wasn't upset about the accident. I had her strapped into her car, sitting in the back. But I had to get back in the car because it wasn't a big accident and move it so that we could get it off the road and somebody could tow it. Why? The whole time, my sister is not in distress. I'm like, we have to get back into the car stage so we can move it. She breaks down crying, and I was like, what's wrong? What's wrong? Are you hurt? She was like, I don't want to get in a broken car. I was like, you bougie. You bougie ass. Me, as the first boy would've been like, yeah, let me get in. You want me to try to fix the engine?

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, I'll help push it. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you're scrappy. Cause you're the youngest as well.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah, I'm scrappy. I'm a bit sneaky. I definitely was sat down many times by my mom and my sister, like, saying, you have to stop sneaking into your sister's closet and stealing her stuff. You think that you're getting away with it. You are not. Cause that's the thing. I just really. I was like, who's gonna notice this?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Who's gonna. She's. She's not wearing this. Okay, but you live in the same house. Where'd you think you were gonna leave? And they weren't gonna see you.

[Kristen Conger]

I know. That's also the paradise you thought you were.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Casper, the youngest friendly ghost. Yeah, we see you. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kristen Conger]

I mean, that's. You know, I guess I was kind of full of myself, you know, I

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

love the confidence as the baby.

[Kristen Conger]

And then I unfortunately never grew out of it. I like to think I'm starting to grow out of my kind of sneaky strappiness. But first when I went to actual high school, so I was homeschooled through middle school. Then I got to high school, and I did earn the nickname Scraps because.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay,

[Unidentified Host 1]

I should have explained.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, Scraps.

[Kristen Conger]

Because I was, like, willfully bad about bringing my lunch. Just kind of like, I don't really want to do this.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I'll figure it out. And I would never really figure it out. And so I would just, like, wait. Wait until my friends were done with their lunch, and they would, you know, slide down a gogurt to old scratch at the end of the table.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Kids are fucking rude. Kids are rude. Like, they're giving you their food, but they're like, okay, Scraps. Yeah. Yeah.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I was also the poor kid at a private school, so, you know, I made note of that.

[Kristen Conger]

But then also after college, in my early adulthood, I'm embarrassed to say that an entirely different group of people gave

[Unidentified Host 1]

me the nickname of the scavenger because I would scavenge snacks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. The brand is strong.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a problem.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I see you on, like, TV jobs, like, oh, what do you do here? Oh, I'm here for crafty. What do I do?

[Unidentified Host 1]

Just got, like, pocketfuls of, like, you know, snack packs. Anything I can get my paws on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that for you. Listen, if it's free, it's for me, okay? If it's free, it's for me. And I'm gonna take some home for later, no matter what. Okay. Listen, we all got to take advantage. I love that Scout.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's time for me and scraps. Oh no. To get into our first segment here. What's hot in fraud? Now, my scavenging queen. I need a fake name for you. We don't care about gender unless somebody marks it at the top. And there's no mark here, so it could be anything.

[Kristen Conger]

Okay, Doris.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Doris. Ooh. Take us back. Doris Payne, one of my favorite scammers. Jewel thief. So Doris says. Lacey and the congregation. Now, Doris I done told you about, okay, But I'm gonna read this. I love. And there's about 80 O's here, your show. And I wanted to share the day I almost got. Okay, Doris, what happened? Doris says, I think of myself as someone that can't be scammed. And this boy right here had me driving in a car down the street to buy a gift card.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now, y'. All. Y' all know about the gift cards. Anybody who wants a gift card, it's like a burner phone. People get those to do crime. Okay? They can't be traced as well, just like gift cards. So. Okay, Doris says, let's back up. Okay, Doris, a storyteller here was the scam. My Amazon fire stick wasn't working, and I googled customer service for Amazon fire stick. It took me to a number that I dialed. So you guys know, for the most part, like, when scammers, they're reaching out to you. They're doing the legwork. But Doris is saying that she called because her Amazon fire stick was trash. And I've had that issue with fire sticks back in the day when I used to use them. For some reason, sometimes they just, like, stop working. Like, you plug them in your computer, they get weird. It feels like a Nintendo. You gotta unplug it and, like, blow it off and put it back in. So been there. The number sent me to the scammer, and this is why I was off my game, because I called them. Oh, no. The Internet is a scary place, y'. All. The Internet is a dark alley, okay? You always gotta watch out. Anytime you click Safari or Google or anytime you get on any of your apps, you're in a dark alley. And you need to be aware of that. So he sounded very official, and fast forward, he stated that they had to verify my location, and they could only do that if I brought a gift card and sent them numbers to verify that it's me. Damn, girl, you really wanted your Amazon fire stick back. Doris, were you hooked all ten Lasso or.

[Kristen Conger]

Doris, why wasn't that your tell? It suddenly got very complic.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Located that you should have known. Then when is Amazon fire stick. Like, we need to verify your location. Absolutely not. So it says, I was swept up in the fact that I needed to get my fire stick going for a house party. His see, your desperation was high. You had a house party coming up. The girlies needed to watch Amazon all your fire stick. And so you were ignoring all the flags.

[Kristen Conger]

What do you think they were gonna want?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know because now I'm trying to think like house party and Amazon fire stick. Maybe she had Amazon music. And she was like, I'm not gonna have a dj. I already told everybody to wear white linen. If they show up and I don't have no tunes, I'm down bad.

[Kristen Conger]

Doris was in a frenzy. You know, she was in a frenzy. She realized she did not leave herself enough time to plan this party. And suddenly she found herself in a car with a man. Oh, Doris losing party.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Planning party.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She went to Costco panic buying. She already has sent it out on paperless posts. She was like, everybody has RSVP'd yes. There's only three maybes. I'm down bad. I gotta. I gotta get the vibes. I get it. I like to host too, Doris. So I understand. So she swept up trying to throw the house party. She says he had a very official sounding voice, which I don't know what that sounds. Is that just a white man? He sounded tall and like he had a full head of hair.

[Unidentified Host 1]

What if it was just like a robot voice?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We must verify. It's like it don't. This Robots don't sound like this anymore. We must verify your location. Send us a Walmart gift card. Like what? I don't know what that sounds like now, but okay. You said it's official. So Doris says, I got into my car and I drove to Publix. Publix, where are you? Florida. Atlanta.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, I'm in Atlanta and I love a pub sub.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I'm right around the corner from Publix.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Publix is that spot. I do love a Publix. Especially at Publix Rotisserie Chicken. So I'm not mad. And okay, so Doris is black. So I said, then this nigga told me. But she blurted it out. I had to get a hundred dollars gift card. My brain kicked back on. Wait. I said, hey, there has to be another way to verify me. P.S. i don't even have $100 to get that gift scam card. I hung up and drove home shaking my head. I was still shocked that he got me that far for sure. Congregation STAVES Gambin Doris. Okay, Doris, but Doris, how was the party? Yeah, Doris, how was the party? Did you figure out how to get the music popping? Cause it's giving Atlanta, it's giving Florida, it's giving somewhere around there. And also, Doris, did you send this from your work email? I'm not gonna say what it is, but, Doris, the name that you sent does not match the sign off nor the business. So I know you like scams and I love that for you. I really wish. Oh, oh, and we. We got one of the locations, right? I'm not gonna say which one, but the end of this. Why are you sending me emails from work? Doris, I love that for you. Yes. Quiet quitting. She said I'm an email scam gun as well. I'm at my job from the company. Doris, delete the company email that you sent to me. That's probably why she bleeped out the N word. She was like, just in case corporate or HR sees this email.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh, man, Doris needs some 101s I think, about creeping around online.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Doris, look, you were in a desperate position. You were trying to provide vibes, probably hookah, because you know that has our community in a chokehold. Okay? And the last thing you needed was your fire stick to have no fire. I understand, but I'm glad that you stopped when you realized that. $100 gift card to fix an Amazon fire stick. That's definitely not $100 anymore. It's not worth it. You could have just bought a new one. Aren't they like 45 bucks now?

[Kristen Conger]

Probably.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know, girl. With inflation, they making up all types of prices. You go to the grocery store, it feels like they auctioning now. We gotta celebrate. We gotta celebrate going for 1.99. 2.99. Who's hungry? Who wants celery? Who wants to eat tonight? Come on, we got five in the back. We got five in the back with a woman, with a family.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I'm just driving up prices unnecessarily.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally. That's what our fake inflation is right now. Okay, yeah, Amazon sticks are like. The fire sticks are like 24.99 now, sis.

[Kristen Conger]

Okay, that's a good lesson. If anyone wants you to pay $100, you say, I could get four fire sticks. Official sounding, sir.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And also these days, like, scammers know how to put their numbers online and to also subvert algorithms and you might search something and they will pop up if that's their scam. Apparently, Amazon fire stickers had enough problems that some scammer Realized that they could cash in. Why is that? This wasn't too good to be true. This was too much work. You got to drive, you got to get a gift card that's worth more than the value of the thing. But at the same time, there might be some people who would be willing to fall for this. Nothing is really official anymore. You kind of have to just wait and almost like you're in a police interrogation. Like if you're sitting there, we all know the rules are ask for a lawyer. Ask for a lawyer. Don't give up any personal information. And that's how you have to be online now. Because people have figured out ways to pretend to be everybody, including myself. So. And I will get into the new updates about the hacker who got me on Twitter at some point, but not right now. But I just want y' all to know, like, who they working hard out here these days.

[Kristen Conger]

It does sound. Yeah, it sounds like beyond a full time job.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is. Scamming is a profession and I think that's what people forget. They think that people are lazy. They think that they're stupid, when in reality they're just hard working people who want to do crime. Yeah. If you give anything your all, you can be successful. Okay. I'm sure a lot of scammers watch like Oscar speeches and shit. And we're like, you can be whoever you want to be. And they were like, okay, I can

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[Kristen Conger]

They're talking to me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Some people take that as I could be president. Other people are like, I could do financial crimes online. I believe in myself.

[Kristen Conger]

I can scam with fire sticks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You could be the future of fraud, guys. Believe in yourselves. That's all. And it's time for me to regale Kristen with a famous con caper group of criminals. We'll see if we like them, see if we hate them. So we're going back to 1988.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

A 23 year old wall street whiz kid was caught stealing millions from his friends to invest in the stock market. However, instead of increasing the wealth of the hundred of his closest friends and associates, he became a professional lush. I don't know. He gave all the money to Grey Go.

[Kristen Conger]

What were they drinking in 88?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. How you steal it from 100 people for. For cocktails? Feels like you don't need that much money. Yeah. So we have a picture here. David's on the right. So David's investment scheme began when he was just a freshman at duke University in 1982.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he's probably just, what, like, 18, 17.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

An entrepreneur. Along with other students, they formed a seemingly legitimate investment pool that generated $8,000. With inflation, that's about 20 grand today.

[Kristen Conger]

Not bad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's a good. I mean, I guess you're at Duke, so kids. Parents probably have more money than most. Because I'm like, you got this from college students?

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah.

[Kristen Conger]

It definitely sounds like they had Monopoly money at their disposal, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. They weren't stretching $20 over a week like normal college students. They weren't eating ramen. You know how they always have to have those little information sessions in dorms? And for some reason, there's always something targeted towards, like, the CIS male college students that's like, hey, guys, if you put ramen in the microwave, make sure you put water with it. Please don't start a fire. And every year there's a microwave fire from some freshman who can't cook a ramen noodle.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, man, that's. Oh, I believe the children are the.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You know, that's right there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can't even judge. I Lowkey started a small fire. I left a flat iron on when I went to a football game and, like, incinerated a chair. It was all good, though. Like, the building did burn down. Just, like, the chair got a little melted.

[Kristen Conger]

I did that with a curling iron once and, like, left a brown stain on my counter.

[Unidentified Host 1]

So.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Red of passes.

[Kristen Conger]

That was all of us.

[Unidentified Host 1]

We're all fire hazards, Lacy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We're all fire hazards. That's. That's the big lesson of this episode. Don't worry, guys. It's okay if you burn something to the ground. Smokey, we ain't listening to that bear, and we ain't listening to that lion from Dare. You know, sorry we failed you both. I know. Smokey's like, only you can prevent. I'm sorry, Smokey. You're gonna have to find somebody else to prevent the forest fires. Damn. So with some measure of success on the books, David was easily able to attract investors to business after he graduated with a degree in art. Art history in 1985. So you didn't even get a degree in finance.

[Kristen Conger]

He must have been rich then if he left Duke with an art history degree.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you're not even getting into, like, I don't know, selling, like, high end paintings. Like, you're not working at Sotheby's. He was.

[Unidentified Host 1]

He just wanted to be able to, like, be obnoxious at his, like, rich, rich person parties. Maybe when he was making all of his scam money.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, he would have got a bougie degree. He was like, what's going to make me bougie? Not necessarily into the work. Just bougie. Love it. So David said he tried to repay Duke later by pledging $1 million to create an endowment fund for Duke's art museum to buy paintings by American artists. However, the school said that less than $100,000 had been paid. I mean, he gave y' all 100 GS. Like, come on, universities. That's more than you're gonna get out of most of your students. That's the most ghetto thing. You graduate. And then immediately the alumni association is like, hey, you wanna donate? I'm like, no, girl. For, like, tuition. What do you mean? Like, yeah, but you got a job yet? You want to give back? No, I don't. Not yet. Or maybe ever. College is a scam. So at the same time, in the 18 months following his graduation, David acquired nearly $5 million worth of art and $3 million worth of real estate. I think you're right, Kristin. He had to have been rich already, right? He got automobiles, jewelry and furniture.

[Kristen Conger]

And he's just a little guy, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is the biggest success story straight out of college I've ever heard. So David was even featured in the New York Times Magazine as one of Wall Street's newest breed of private investors whose bigger ambitions included building an important art collection. Okay, so he was tying in art the whole time. He was like, I rob people. I love art. These are my passions.

[Kristen Conger]

Okay, but wait.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Picasso, Patriotic.

[Kristen Conger]

Tell me. But I feel like the art's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's keeping it in the brand, though. He's keeping the brand, just like you.

[Unidentified Host 1]

That's good.

[Kristen Conger]

That's good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just. Thank you, Scraps. Okay. I'm not gonna call you that no more. I don't know if it's triggering. It's not.

[Unidentified Host 1]

No, it's not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just love it. It's just very funny. So in an article, he said, first I decided what I want to buy. Then I worry about how I'm going to pay for it. Wow, cool. So he's like Elon Musk, Literally. Literally a super villain. Lex Luthor. Cause I'm like, most average people are like, I guess we do figure out, like, oh, I want this. But then we save to pay for it. Or we figure out if we have it in our budget or our bank accounts. But he's just like, I don't know. I want to buy a bridge. I'll figure out how to get it. Yeah, I love the confidence. It turns out he skipped the step in making money from his clients by not investing their money in the stock market at all. Oops.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh. When y' all gave me the money, y' all had wanted me to y' all had wanted me to do something with it other than buy automobiles. Oh, y' all should have been more specific. When y' all gave me the money, I didn't know you wanted me to like invest it and like make it back and get dividends and returns. Oops. My bad.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Thought it was a gift. A donation of sorts to the arts. Do you not love arts?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I thought you really believed in my lifestyle. You weren't sponsoring me. This wasn't a scholarship. I love it. Robbery.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So the first Ponzi scheme. Because obviously this is a Ponzi scheme. When you take people's money, you say you're going to invest it and you just use it and you don't invest it. We're working on a Ponzi scheme. Shout out to Bernie Madoff. I'm looking down on you, thinking about you right now. Love you so much. So he told his clients that he would acquire stocks and options on their behalf through the New York brokerage houses. But instead he fraudulently created fake statements showing non existent trades. That's the business you cook up. You get on Photoshop, you cook the books.

[Kristen Conger]

You know, that's so much. But like we were Saying, that's so much work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You fry the figures, you saute the numbers. Because he. Scamming is a job. Just because he wasn't doing the right thing doesn't mean he wasn't working very hard.

[Kristen Conger]

It's a lot to keep up with.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So as an investment advisor who held a lot of other people's money, David would also be required to register with the sec, the securities and Exchange Commission. He did not. So he's investing for people as just

[Kristen Conger]

some dude, he's just gone rogue. Like, just, just a free agent.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's like, no, yeah, I just consult for investing. The SEC don't need to know about me. It's like if you were like, we've talked about this before. Like, I do braces. There are people on Instagram and businesses that are like, I do braces. You can't just do braces. You gotta be an orthodontist. No, no, no, we skipped all that orthodontist stuff. I do, I just do braces. Do you want some?

[Unidentified Host 1]

I'll give you some.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So when his clients wish to withdraw their money, he used other clients accounts to pay them off. Otherwise known as. Yes, a Ponzi scheme. That's where you just move money around so that people think that they're making money so that they don't blow the whistle on you when you're like, oh, so when you gave me money, you wanted some back? Oh, that's crazy. Okay, okay, I'll see what I can do. So in order to create the impression that he was making money, David continued to buy LA and very expensive items. And we've talked about this. Just because you see somebody having like a nice watch or a nice car, it doesn't mean that they have money. A lot of people do that to convince you so that you will give them money. So additionally, he incorporated under the name Greater Sutton Investor Group Incorporated. Wow. Very official. Four, four names there. And opened an office at 9 West 5th, 57th Street, a block away from Central Park. So that's, that's expensive real estate, even in the 80s. And I always think about New York and I think about what Darren Starr did to my brain when it comes to New York City. Because I grew up like, and as a kid I would watch Sex in the City, you know, whenever I could sneak it. And my mom was watching it and I thought New York was this fabulous place where a writer could have a nice rent control apartment and spend all her money on Manolo Blahniks. And you know, that was normal. It's like no, New York City's expensive,

[Kristen Conger]

and you could go for endless brunches. Everything was very clean. Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think I need to run, like, a 3am ad. It was just like, if you or a loved one moved to New York City because you saw Sex in the City and thought you could be Carrie Bradshaw, you might be entitled to damages. It's like, carrie, you ain't telling us about all these rats. You ain't tell us we couldn't walk 19 blocks in Manolo blah blah.

[Kristen Conger]

And then not to totally, like, derail us, but did you watch in Just like that?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, I watched that mess.

[Unidentified Host 1]

It just reminded me of whatever episode

[Kristen Conger]

it was where Carrie just, like, walked the length of Manhattan. Cause she couldn't sleep. She's just prancing around. I'm pretty sure she was in, of course, in heels that day in a gown. And I'm over here with goddamn bunions and sneakers. Lacy.

[Unidentified Host 1]

That is a lie.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She lied to us. She straight up lied to us. And like. And just like that, they really got us with that. Because I was just like, I don't know. More Sex in the City. Yes, it was problematic. And no, they never wrote black people. Well, which is one of my favorite things about Sex in the City is like, one of the few episodes where they have Samantha dating a black guy. And of course she's like, he's black. His big blacks. Like, she's. It's so accurate. But they have a fight in the club where she gets in a fight with his sister because his sister doesn't want him to be with her. And when the fight breaks out, he pops back up, this black man. He breaks up the fight. He says, keep it real. Keep it real. No black person has ever. You keep it real like this. And this is so funny.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They watched one 90s music video. Were like, we got at it. We can write this.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, I would. I would like to see. You know, because they did, like, the

[Kristen Conger]

podcast, like, writers Room for. And just like that, I would love, like, the writer's room backstory just for.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Just for that episode, you know, like, walk us through.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Let's. And that podcast was given. Hello, fellow kids. I was like, we know about podcasts. And Carrie has one. Like what?

[Kristen Conger]

Like, well, that's the thing.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Okay.

[Kristen Conger]

I felt like I did feel so scammed when I saw the first episode of Just like that and Just like that because I fancied myself a young Carrie Bradshaw, you know, I'm sorry. You know, and wrote my little things and overshared about Sex.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You couldn't help but wonder. You couldn't help but wonder.

[Unidentified Host 1]

There were so many things I couldn't help but wonder.

[Kristen Conger]

And if you had told me back then, like, hey, guess what? You are gonna end up doing the same thing as Carrie Bradshaw. She's actually gonna start doing what your job is, and she's gonna be a podcaster.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I was like, it's not supposed to be like this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, this isn't barrasing, but here we are. So David's got this office near Central Park. He hired, this is in quotes, two employees to answer phones and mail and had stationary printed because you got to look official. So he's got the official letterhead of, we do business for real. Give us your money. We definitely will give it back to you. Die business. But he kept no accurate business records and disclosed no financial information to his clients or anyone else, because he didn't have any. We. What was he supposed to say? I stole it? Would you like a letterhead? You don't want that on a letterhead.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, if you're gonna get the letterhead, you can at least, you know, put some fake charts on it or something.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just several fake charts and just the lines.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah, like an arrow going up, up, up, up, up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Money, money, money. We're in the black, black, black, black.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Just says, you're rich. Congratulations.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's no, like, map on it. There's no, like, information on what the numbers mean. Like, you didn't even. What is a line graph? You have, like, the tall part and then the long part. I've been at a business school for a while.

[Unidentified Host 1]

It's just the, like, the emoji, the smile emoji with, like, the.

[Kristen Conger]

The dollar sign.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Like, Tom.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's what he just calls it. He calls it the length and the width, and they're like, sir, there's no numbers here. Nothing correlates. He's like, you see, it's going up high and it's going long, wide. You making money? What's happening? Still, he continued to keep and attract clients by falsely claiming his clientele included the Sultan of Brunei, the Rockefeller family, and Bill Cosby. Well, that's the only. He said he selling all the jello pudding because this is the 80s. Yeah.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I was about to say that is the Most like, like, peak 80s fake client portfolio ever.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The Rockefellers assaulted and Bill Cosby. Okay. Over the course of two years, David collected over $10 million from 100 clients and friends, primarily friends of his parents. Ooh, damn. Now your parents can't even go to dinner parties. They. You've ruined the social reputation.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah, Holiday parties are gonna be awkward.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They get no invites, they're not getting Christmas cards, nothing. Everybody talking cash shit. When they come in the country club, nobody wants to do doubles tennis with them anymore.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Like a hush falls over the dining room.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, yeah. They walk into the room and it's just fall silent every time. Ooh, wow. But eventually, David couldn't continue paying out his clients for one another. And in March 1988, at the age of 23, he was caught and charged. Charged with mail insecurities, fraud. We talked about this a billion times, y'. All don't do your crime through the mail. The U.S. postal Service will pull the fuck up and they'll put you in cuffs and drive you away. It won't even be no doors on the van. Oh, he's just hanging on until you get to the precinct. Okay. The mailman will put you in jail. Don't do crime through mail.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Oh, they're gonna throw you in the back of like a little mail carrier.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I hope you don't fall out on the way to jail. Okay. They don't got no seatbelts for you. He was sentenced to eight years in prison and had to surrender 40 paintings by great American artists, his 2 million dollar East Hampton house, his Upper east side condo, and his two cars. And one was an Aston Martin and the other was a Mercedes Benz. So he had to give up all the loot. Oh, wow, that's so 80s. This is the most 80s.

[Kristen Conger]

I do like it though.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is the most 80s car I've ever seen. Like this 80s car. Now I'm coughing on hairspray. Like, what? But that was nice for the time. That was like, oh, he got the whip. It's very long. In the 80s. They really loved a long front of a car.

[Kristen Conger]

It reminds me of, I forget the car that they drove in Ferris Bueller's, but the Mercedes has that vibe.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It does, I guess it's given sporty and aerodynamic for the time. But I don't know why everybody was like, hey, instead of having more room in the car, let's just make the front so long.

[Unidentified Host 1]

That's true.

[Kristen Conger]

Well, it's very phallic, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is. It's like people will see the front of your car and then five minutes later they'll see you when you pull up. Like, why is it so long? What if it was a limo but for people to drive normally? Oh, yeah, the Aston Martin is popping and they're both red. So he was definitely Trying to get, you know, attention.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So it's like a spider.

[Kristen Conger]

Do you think he picked up a lot of babes in those cars?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, you know, the wind was blowing through their overly processed hair, and I love that for them. I love it. The SEC also prohibited David from ever again working in the industry or associating with investment at all. So he couldn't be a securities dealer, he couldn't be an investment advisor, and he couldn't work for any brokerage company. They were like, you are now banned from gambling with government subsidy funds from corporations who have too much money and way too much help. They kicked him off the table.

[Kristen Conger]

I mean, that doesn't sound that bad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, eight years in the clink, that's the thing. Financial fraud will put you in jail. Jail, which I've always been like, they didn't murder anybody. They stole people's money. I don't know how beneficial it is for taxpayer dollars to go towards them being in a, you know, cushy prison. However, David's career in fraud did not end in the 80s. He said, okay, he was in jail at 23. That's really young. So if he only got eight years, he's getting out at 31.

[Kristen Conger]

I guess at that point, too.

[Unidentified Host 1]

That's kind of all he knows, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And now his reputation is destroyed. So what else is he gonna do but crime?

[Kristen Conger]

How's he gonna pick up babes anymore?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's walking now. They gotta feel the wind through their hair on the street. David was released from prison in 1994, but was back in the game by 1999. In 2000, he was caught again for grand larceny and violations of business law after stealing another $50,000 and scheming to defraud at least 10 people. Can't stop, won't stop. He spent another five years in prison and was paroled in 2006. At this point, I feel like he's going to prison. He's like, let me get that bed that I had last time. A few years later, he met his next mark, the woman who would take him to California. David met Nancy Oziers, or Oz, in a Manhattan bar and immediately charmed her. No. He told her he was an investor, but offered few details. She was like, oh, where? He was like, you know, places, all streets, the present. No details. But Nancy was wise enough to look him up and discovered his criminal history. When she confronted him, he apologized and said he was going to change.

[Kristen Conger]

Sure, they all do. Nancy, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nancy, I'll change for you. I know I've been to jail several times. But now, now that I'm with you, I'm different. Oh, is this them together? Nancy, you are too cute to let this man do this to you. That's an.

[Kristen Conger]

They're an interesting match.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nancy probably was a powerful woman who was lonely. And she was like, look, I'm just trying to get consistent, Dick. In the crazy New York streets.

[Kristen Conger]

She was like, I just want to be with a. With a man who's comfortable being a little bit shorter than me. And I don't, because I don't care about that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Doesn't mind when I wear heels. Yes, we stand a short king. We do. You know what? I do.

[Kristen Conger]

I'm coming around to David now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We like him now. He's so ambitious. We love him. David, what's your number? We call him. So the two married in 2009 and moved to Los Angeles in 2011. No, Nancy. Nancy, the flags were there and you found them.

[Kristen Conger]

Was, but it wasn't true love.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Maybe, but it seems like he needed her more than she needed him.

[Kristen Conger]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that's when men want to get married. Straight ones at least. Like you are too good for me. Somebody get the government involved right now. I want to make it difficult for her to leave.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Exactly. You'll have to get lawyers in order to break this up. Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it will take so much time and so much more money than when we got married. So he struggled to find work, though, according to Nancy, she didn't see him running any scams at the time. He eventually lost his job at an ad firm, but money continued to roll in, and they lived in a million dollar loft in Venice. I love how. What? Just white men, they persevere. He done been to jail 50, 11 times, done scammed his whole, all his cousins, all his parents, friends, and family, and yet he gets an ad sales job. And now he's living in a million dollar home with Nancy. What? So Nancy gets frustrated, but was stuck in a marriage her family and friends didn't approve of on the other side of the country. Yeah, that's why he wanted to marry you, girl. So he could make it difficult for you to run away. Imagine coming home, you married a man. They sitting on your couch, eating wise potato chips. Oh, no, not the wise. Watching daytime tv and you tired, you come home, feet hurting. You've been working all day, fighting the patriarchy. And they're like, hey, babe.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Hey, Nance.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

How was the office? I put in a bunch of job applications today. I haven't heard anything back Yet. Yeah. David, it's been three years. You need to get a job. Look, babe, I'm trying. Just nobody wants to hire.

[Kristen Conger]

And then. And you know what he does Ever

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

since affirmative action, black people are taking all the jobs, babe.

[Kristen Conger]

I bet that's the point when he like, breaks down and he's like, you know, I'm trying.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You know I am.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nancy. I love you, Nancy. Come on, Nancy. I'll eat your coochie tonight.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You put away the wife's potato chips. So the bubble finally popped when in 2017, Nancy came home to find a collection of notices for credit cards that had been opened in her name. See, this is why you cannot. If you see the flags, if you see that you are dealing with a hobosexual, you cannot do it. It's not worth the companionship. They always will fuck up your credit. That's the first thing they go for. They will ruin your credit. So he had been paying for his international business trips and vacations with Nancy's money. So when she thought he had money, he was really swiping cards in her name. I mean, Nancy, how did you not notice that when he pulled out the bill fold, you didn't check any of the receipts where y' all had. And you were like, nate, why does it say Nancy?

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah, yeah, Nance.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm Nance. I at least hope that David could fuck, because if he couldn't, then what? What are we even doing? So at the same time, David was swindling at least two Venice business owners out of $100,000 after he offered to help them earn returns when a large amount of equipment was stolen from them. So he stepped in and was like, oh, I'll work with your insurance. No, no, no, you don't need to get on the phone with State Farm. I got it. I got. No, no, no, no. They're going to mail a check to my house and then I will reroute it to you.

[Unidentified Host 1]

They're like, that sounds great.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So after David ghosted them, they sued him and Nancy both for fraud. Believing she was in on it. Nancy filed for divorce in June 2017. Damn, Nancy. Finally, this man drug you to hell, fucked up your credit. Now you in court looking crazy, all for this man that you knew was a two time criminal when you met him.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah, because I just remembered, Nancy did her homework at first. Yep. And caught him as a scammer. And yet believed him when. When he told her he would reform.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What?

[Kristen Conger]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And nothing, nothing about his behavior. Like, I'm sorry if I catch You. It's just not enough charm in the world. There's not enough charm in the world. And look, this is not discrimination against anybody who's been in the carceral system. Because a lot of people end up there because of the circumstances they were born in or what they look like, how they identify. There's a lot of reasons that people get wrapped up in. Into what our government is doing, which is basically still slavery. But this man went to jail for eight years for fraud and then came out and said, let me do a little bit. Let me get it one more piece. And went back again. I'm sorry. Two strikes. No. No. And he had enough resources to obviously get other jobs. He got a job at an ad sales firm. He came from privilege. There's no excuse. Nancy, you brought this on yourself. Sis, I'm so sorry, but I know sometimes we be down bad. It's lonely out here and cold. And you know, that body pillow can only do so much. Nancy, you gotta go get you a vibrator or something, sis. Because a vibrator won't wear your clinic.

[Unidentified Host 1]

And a vibrator.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yep. It won't get you sued.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It'll keep you warm at night and you can go to sleep easy. So David admitted to the fraud, and the case against gets him settled in 2019 for several months. In 2021, David resurfaced making so he was going to dive bars like the Frolic Room, and he would make it his office. He once again promised windfalls to anyone who fell for his lies, that he could sell them stocks before they went public. So now he's like, I'm on the inside of insider trading. You thought Martha Stewart knew? Nah, I'm your guy. One anonymous restaurant owner gave David $30,000 for early access to shares of Soho House, a members only club in West Hollywood. After their restaurant went out of business, the shares and the property David also tried to offer them didn't exist. Duh.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When has anything existed?

[Unidentified Host 1]

That's what you get for wanting, like, an early in on Soho House House.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. You know, and making a snobby rich people club. Let me get an early in on that. David was like, imagination. That's all he was operating on imagination and charm. At the time, David was living at the luxury Villa Carlotta apartments in Franklin Village across from the Church of Scientology celebrity center. I know exactly where this is. Damn, David, Are they nice? Give him a good grand. They're cute. And like Franklin Village is cute. Many, especially during this time. I'm over there a Lot. There's a UCB Franklin over there. Some over there. A lot. So he made the right choice. Many of his neighbors would become his victims, which ended up being his downfall yet again. So he's. He's like, oh, I got popping neighbors, everybody. I know what they rent costs. I know what it costs to live over here. They got money, and I'm gonna get it from them. Several residents who hadn't seen returns on their investments started talking. And eventually one did a Google search on David, which turn his criminal past. Why wouldn't you do a Google search on anybody before you give them your money? Yeah, I'm doing a Google search on people before I give them my coochie. I'm definitely doing a Google search before I give you my money.

[Kristen Conger]

I'm so curious, like, what kind of charisma he has. Right, because it doesn't come through.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Photoshop the photos. Yeah, but oftentimes it doesn't. Right? Because some people. People, you know, listen, that's what I

[Unidentified Host 1]

tell people about my photos, that my charisma doesn't come through.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, but wait till you see me, though. Wait till you see me now.

[Unidentified Host 1]

In photos, I look like scraps. Okay. But you get me live.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's a little bit more there. All right? You're gonna like it. You're gonna be enticed.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I promise you. They confronted him at his apartment, where he denied the scam, then promised to pay them in the morning. Yes. Angry Mob, Y' all better get pitchforks. Y' all better go to Hobby lobby and get some torches. Tiki torches and show pull up. I love an angry mob. I wish I could see the email thread of like. Okay, so when is everyone available to do the Angry Mob at David's house? Wednesdays at 8pm Work great for me. I can. I can make a win to meet. We can make a Google Doc. Like, we got this.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You know, that it was just.

[Kristen Conger]

Just an endless, endless scheduling thread.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Let's make a WhatsApp. Because, you know, Craig still got a Android. And we can. We can coordinate this. We can schedule our angry mob. So David moved out not long after. Duh. Because all his neighbors hated him. And all of the neighbors, slash victims, were seeking restitution. Oh, I know. That next door app was popping. For the following year, he continued to bounce around Hollywood nabbing similar small things. Thefts. He was arrested on suspicion of 12 counts of grand theft on August 9, 2022, and released after posting $45,000 bail. This man is still out here, okay? Since the 80s my guy has been robbing people for almost 40 years. That is a career. This is hall of fame.

[Kristen Conger]

It is wild how he is able to just kind of seems like bouncing just in and out of the carceral system. Like, he's just like, oh, you got me again, fellas.

[Unidentified Host 1]

All right, here's 45K. All right, let me out here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, he played cops and robbers. He's like, tag. Oh, I'm in. Okay, I'll see y' all at the precinct. Like, what? Sir, his case is currently being reviewed for charging, and his current activities are unknown, which means, you know, he is still active out here in these streets and these cul de sacs and these boulevards, robbing people.

[Kristen Conger]

Lacey, I bet he was the guy Doris called about, the fire stick. He had an official sounding voice.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's got small grips. He's got large grips. He's. He's the scammer who took over my Twitter account. He's hard at work. This man is the hardest working man in crime, okay? He needs to retire with a full 401k. Okay? Give this man his Social Security because he's earned it, okay? No one's working harder in crime. No one's more dedicated.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah, maybe he's just bored when he's

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

not scamming because you don't do this for this long. Especially if he had other opportunities, like the advertising firm, like the rich wife, Nancy. He could have just laid up with Nancy, gave her some good dick, rubbed her shoulders, you know, listened to her stories about how, you know, Janelle in accounting is trying to thwart her business. And, you know, he could have just stopped. He had so many opportunities to stop. So he has a passion. He has a passion for.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I think that is the word for it. It's passion.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's got a passion for fraud, okay? He can't stop. It's his calling. One victim said he already went to prison. It's not going to change anything. He doesn't know how to work differently now, that victim. You're right.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because this is how he works. This is his talent. Why would he give up his skill? He's perfected it. He got all of y'.

[Unidentified Host 1]

All.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can't imagine robbing people where I live. That just feels so precarious. Like, I check my mail, I'm gonna get accosted by a mob. Like, that just feels. I'm not gonna rob. Should I eat?

[Kristen Conger]

Well, it's the same thing he did to Nancy, right?

[Unidentified Host 1]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, yeah. He was. He was living with her and Robbing her. So you're right. And that's even worse. You're going to bed every night next to the person that you are robbing. Like, oh, you want to watch Jimmy Fallon? Boo. Also, what's your mom's favorite car? What's the first elementary school you went to? Baby, I just want to know more about you.

[Kristen Conger]

Remind me the name of your first. I love that story.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It was my favorite. It was a bird, right? Tell me more about it. And also the name and the spelling. And did you use any caps when you spelled it? What's your favorite two numbers to put in a password at the end? Baby, how was work? What's your favorite special character? Like, what? This is terrible. But, guys, that brings us to the saddest part of the show. The end where I have to let Kristin go. But before we do that, that scammer of the week, this is where we honor a charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see. Might be a business, might be a group of people. We'll see. So today we're talking about professional cornhole. Okay. That's just, like, a whole thing. Okay, so it's been rocked by controversy after illegal beanbags were used in the 2022American Cornhole League World Championship in August. So if you don't know what cornhole is, you probably don't have many white friends. I do.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I feel like the. The Venn diagram of cornhole players and

[Kristen Conger]

pickleball enthusiasts is close to the circle.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're both in the circle.

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, cornhole is white people spades. Okay? You go to. You go to any white people cookout, they gonna have them cornholes popping. If you don't know what it is. It's like you separate these two wooden boxes away from each other, and the boxes have holes in them at the top. So the point of the game is you throw a bean bag and you want to land the beanbag through someone else's hole. That's how you get the most points. But if you throw a beanbag and you land it on the box and not in the hole, that still counts for, like, lesser points. I'm doing this. I'm not reading anything, y'. All. I just. I played a lot of cornhole in my life. Also, you can knock off points from the other team by throwing a beanbag and knocking. Taking, like, a beanbag off of theirs. Like, you know what I mean?

[Kristen Conger]

Kind of like with croquet, like, you can kind of, like, knock their.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, so you can also, like, help yourself win that way. But, yeah, you're literally never gonna go to a white barbecue function and not see cornhole. Not if they're the real ones. Okay. So I didn't know that they had a profession. I mean, they had a professional everything. You can go to the Olympics for power walking. So why am I shocked?

[Kristen Conger]

I also love that the sponsor is Bush's baked beans.

[Unidentified Host 1]

And it's just these burl this one guy who's jacked wearing, you know, Bush's

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

baked beans across and Epsom salts. The two key seasonings. The white barbecue. It's just the girl with the umbrella. So the incident has been done, dubbed Bag gate, and came with a $15,000 cash prize at stake. So, you know, when you get money involved, like, people will find a way to cheat if they can. Player Devin Harburg has complained that a rival component, Mark Richards and Philip Lopez, used bags that were smaller than regulation during the finals. So if the bag's smaller, it can go through the hole easier because, you know, sometimes it'll, like, bounce off the hole or land right on the hole, and a little bit of the bag will go in, but not the whole piece. I know what's happening here. Officials investigated on the spot and determined that none of the bags used by either team were regulation. So y' all tried to snitch, and y' all bags were not regulation either. Wow, that's some audacity. How you gonna be cheating and be like, look over there. I.

[Kristen Conger]

From the looks of these guys, too, I'm just imagining, like, their, you know, secret beanbag, like, meetups of, like, oh,

[Unidentified Host 1]

dude, we gotta stuff the bags. Like, they're very, very bro. Like, I want to hear them talking about, like, oh, also, I want to

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

imagine bros, like, in the basement sewing. Like, I got my grandma's sewing machine. We're not losing the 15k this year, bro. Give me those little lead weights. I know. I went on Pinterest. I learned how to sew on YouTube. YouTube. Let's do it.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, man.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Do you have a thimble? Like, I always poke my thumb.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, it hurts. Also, why is the professional cornhole league letting you bring your own beanbags in the first place?

[Kristen Conger]

That's a great question, Lacey. That.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Because that seems like.

[Kristen Conger]

Isn't that part of, like, with professional sports, like, they supply.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You're not bringing your own basketball to an NBA game, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

LeBron don't come with his own. But, no, this is the ball I like to use. No, they have balls there. What do you Mean, so this is kind of on the league because why were y' all letting them bring their own bags anyway?

[Unidentified Host 1]

That's just the Cornhole League.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, you're right. They don't got a budget that high. Got that half a budget. Look, we're doing this Cornhole league, but we ain't got enough money for all these bags. So y' all gonna bring your own bags? Well, you know, bring your own cornholes.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Wood prices are pretty high right now, and they. They need that just to like, build the little, you know, the corn.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you would like to throw on grass, please go to Home Depot and get your own AstroTurf and unroll it. Like, what? So this whole thing is a scam. It's also giving that the cornhole of, you know, championship is a scam itself. So According to the ACL regulations, cornhole bags must be 6 by 6 inches when laid flat and weigh 16 ounces with minor violations tolerated because, duh, y' all scamming, too. You told people to bring that their own bags. This is not Publix. This is not Ralph's. We don't bring our own bags. Provide the bags. The bags used were thinner, which was advantageous by the players because if it's a thinner bag, then the weight of it isn't going to sit if it's on the side of the hole. So part of it goes in the hole. It's all going to slide in the hole. According to. According to the ACL, top players earned as much as 250,000 a year from winning things, sponsorship deals, endorsements, meaning that players sometimes do anything they can to give them a leg up in the fast growing Sport. Oh, man, 250k, that's a lot of money.

[Kristen Conger]

But you're gonna have to be wearing a lot of Bush's baked bean logos

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

like a NASCAR player. But it's just. It's not even Epson's side. I said Epson. I don't even know what the name of the little girl with the in the salt is. A little more salt girl.

[Unidentified Host 1]

I like it as Epsom salt, though, because it's like, oh, that's for baths. Well, it's like tough day after full day of bagging. You need a sew.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, right. If your back throwing arm is getting sore. Epsom salt. I imagine they're sponsored by the most random people. Maybe like tomato ketchup. Like Heinz would get involved.

[Kristen Conger]

Maybe I could see like an Axe body spray.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, yeah, X would definitely get involved. Ooh, that's a good sponsorship pitch. I'm trying to think. Who else? Red Bull. I feel like they do anything over there.

[Kristen Conger]

I don't know. Would it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Would it be.

[Kristen Conger]

I feel like Red Bull might get cornholers too. Amped, you know, Monster.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Who's. Who's the sports. The. The sports drink for cornhole? I feel like it's an energy drink for sure. Mountain Dew.

[Kristen Conger]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Do the. Do.

[Kristen Conger]

Do the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Do Bag the bag.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Do the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'll work it out. But these feel likely. The players involved denied that they boiled their bags, which can cause shrinkage, and the tournament was allowed to continue. They were like, we don't care.

[Kristen Conger]

They're out here boiling bags.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Boiling bags. I guess we thought they used sewing machines. Apparently, it's more scientific than that.

[Unidentified Host 1]

We got little lab coats, beakers.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The next white barbecue I go to, I'm like, hold on, y', all one second. I just need to go in the kitchen real quick.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Quick.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

With all my cornhole bags. Y' all got a pot. It's just boiled. Why are your bags hot, Lacy? Like, you throwing them. They're hot and they're wet. Don't worry about all that.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Really small, and they're really hot.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're really hot, and they're wet. I got splashed when it landed on the board.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what? I love this. Mark Richards won the pro singles, and Philip Lopez won the pro blind draw, which is where partners drop draw blindly. So, wow. I mean, it looks like y' all were caught for scamming. And then because the whole tournament is a scam, they're like, it's fine.

[Unidentified Host 1]

You guys.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You little rap scallions. Y' all get out there with your little boiled bath. It's cornhole. Who gives a. I love that for everyone involved. And I also love that when they got caught, they were just like. And let them keep going. Don't.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Don't boil the bags, fellas.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Guys, next time, just don't. Don't boil the bags. But that's fine right now. Like, what? Why even do the work of investigating if, when you get the results, you don't care?

[Kristen Conger]

Yeah. We've got a lot of questions for Big Cornhole.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, Big Cornhole is corrupt. I'm upset about that. If anywhere, I thought they were being honest. Honest and true. It was Big Cornhole. But, guys, that brings us to the end of another fun episode. Kristin, we always ask here, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote any socials while they're still alive,

[Kristen Conger]

you can listen to my podcast, Unladylike Anywhere you find podcasts and you can follow Unladylike on Instagram, Twitter For now and TikTok.

[Unidentified Host 1]

Ladylikemedia.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, and as always, guys, you can stitch on your friends, your family and your [e-mail]. just make sure your scam is retired so we don't. What? Yes, fuck up your bag. And if you want to follow me, I have all of my handles back. And I did post a video confirming that it is me. While there's still a Twitter, we'll see what Alanta does to destroy it each and every day. D I V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. If you want to follow the show and see the photos that we were referencing. Scam got His Pod on all platforms. Y' all know I'll be posting these late. Sorry, y', all, I'm busy. I have 12 jobs, but I will post the photos. I promise. Congregation, stay conquering.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Kristen Conger]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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