Doctor DoRobbery w/ Franchesca Ramsey (Fraud Friday)

Summary

Scam Goddess, Fraud Friday: "Doctor DoRobbery" w/ Franchesca Ramsey

Date: March 20, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Franchesca Ramsey

Overview

This classic Fraud Friday episode of Scam Goddess is a raucous, sharp-witted exploration of scams, from personal misadventures with mall-modeling rackets to the harrowing tale of one of California’s most notorious healthcare frauds. Host Laci Mosley and guest Franchesca Ramsey trade hilarious, honest stories about being scam-victims and accidental (involuntary!) scammers, before diving deep into the true-crime saga of Dr. Lokesh Tantuaya—a spinal surgeon at the heart of a billion-dollar kickback and medical malpractice scandal. The conversation is laden with style, real talk about the healthcare system’s dangers, memorable “stay scheming” energy, and gems about keeping your head on a swivel—plus one of the wildest "scammer of the week" stories yet.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Introduction and Banter (01:31 – 08:42)

• Laci introduces Franchesca Ramsey in over-the-top, affectionate Scam Goddess style, highlighting her as a creative force, a style icon, and a glamorous overachiever.
  • Laci: "She’s a producer, she’s a writer, she’s a creator...and she’s also hot, which is unfair. It’s a scam!" (02:12)
• Hilarious discussion on being always “selfie-ready,” glam decor, and overdressing for everything.
• Both share stories about wild pre-COVID habits and funny personal adventures, including Laci’s escapades during college at the Cathedral of Learning and Francesca’s bathroom hook-ups:
  • Laci: "I definitely fucked in there on the psychology floor." (07:53)
  • Franchesca: "I've done some questionable—you know, you only live once." (06:45)
• Tone: High-energy, confessional, sisterly fun (noting their mutual admiration and comic chemistry).

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Scam Stories: Involuntary Scamming and Getting Scammed (08:42 – 21:35)

Francesca’s "Involuntary Scammer" Era (08:50 – 12:38)

• Francesca worked for a shady telemarketing company in college, selling "Septic Helper 2000" under false pretenses ("free" products, recurring billing, impossible-to-cancel shipments).
  • Laci teasing: "You were working in telemarketing? You didn't know you were scamming people? That’s the whole point—until they call you at dinner!" (09:10)
  • Francesca: "In my heart, I wanted to believe they just wanted people to have healthy shits." (11:56)
• Discussion of company competition boards, Laci teasing Francesca’s chronic promptness, and Francesca’s "star student" vibes.

Model Scam Memories (12:41 – 15:04)

• Both share tales of being duped by mall model/acting agency scams (Barbizon, etc.).
  • Francesca: "I should have known it was a scam because they opened by saying, 'Everyone, anyone can be a model.' That should have set off my alarm." (13:22)
  • Laci: "I'm 5'1 and I took my ass to Barbizon. I said, what we doing y'all?" (13:18)

Reality of Industry Scams & Casting (19:39 – 25:18)

• Francesca and Laci talk about predatory practices in casting, especially the false promises made to young actors and models (paying for photos, booklets, etc.).
  • Francesca: "No one is going to cast me from a pamphlet printed at Kinko’s, but that’s what we were paying for." (19:39)
• Insight: Don’t pay casting directors/models for representation—real industry professionals DO NOT charge.
• Both updated on the more inclusive nature of modeling via social media, though noting scams still abound.

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Listeners Scam Letter: Scamming the Scammer (25:56 – 36:03)

"Clarice the Welding Queen vs. IRS Phone Scammers" (26:09 – 36:03)

• Welder listener “Clarice” shares how she wasted a scammer’s time when she got a fake IRS call demanding immediate Walmart/iTunes gift cards.
  • Clarice invents a whole saga: fake social security numbers; a baby with an explosive diaper; asking for parenting advice—all to string the scammer along for over two hours.
  • Francesca: "Waste the scammer’s time. Keep them away from the elderly lady who’s actually gonna get scammed." (30:15)
  • Laci: "You should never get scammed via phone...but what if you actually did f— up on your taxes?" (30:41)
• Takeaway: If you can, waste scammers’ time—protect others by being a "petty" time sink. And never pay the IRS in gift cards!

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Historic Hoodwinks: Dr. Lokesh Tantuaya & Medical Mayhem (38:01 – 68:52)

Introducing the Fraud: Dr. Tantuaya and Michael Drobot (38:01 – 43:11)

• Dr. Lokesh Tantuaya, spinal surgeon, central figure in Pacific Hospital’s billion-dollar medical fraud in California.
• Michael Drobot, owner of Pacific Hospital, orchestrated kickback schemes, paying doctors to send patients to his hospital, using counterfeit surgical hardware, and billing huge sums to insurers.
  • Francesca (seeing his photo): "He’s giving me Gollum...He looks like a Marvel villain." (39:57)

Exploiting the System (43:13 – 55:05)

• Drobot & Tantuaya’s scam targeted vulnerable people (e.g., workers comp recipients)—flying them to Long Beach for unnecessary or dangerous surgery, lining doctors’ pockets.
• Detailed story: Tammy Martinez, a San Diego truck driver whose botched back surgery (with inadequate equipment) left her as an amputee.
  • Francesca: "Could you imagine? You went through all of that and then your lawyer scammed you. This is scam-ception." (55:05)
  • Laci: "If you work in government, you should know there’s a guillotine outside if you fuck up!" (55:12)
• Shock at the medical board’s repeated "stays" and leniency for flagrant misconduct (domestic violence, gross neglect, bribery), allowing Tantuaya to keep practicing.

Systematic Failure & Outrage (61:29 – 68:52)

• Board spokesman admits: Coming down too hard on doctors risks litigation costs.
  • Francesca: "At least he said the quiet part out loud." (61:29)
• Despite multiple pending indictments, loss of life and limb, and evidence of intent to flee (buying another plane), Tantuaya retained his license and was still listed as "accepting new patients."
• Laci: "When you go to the doctor, always be ready to fight. Ask questions, ask more questions...everything is transactional." (67:01)
• Both call for activism and diligence.
  • Francesca: "This is just a really good reminder that you need to do your due diligence. Google these hoes." (66:50)

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Scammer of the Week: Reward Money for Your Own Arrest? (69:20 – 72:30)

• Story: A woman on the run for accessory to murder in Tulsa is caught after she comments on the police department’s Facebook asking, “Where’s my reward money at?”
  • Francesca: "So wait, was she asking how much the reward was to catch her?...She should not be able to get the money." (69:47)
  • Laci: "She looks like, ‘oops, I did a murder!’" (70:33)
• Lesson: If you’re on the run, maybe don’t inquire about bounty money on Facebook.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Rules are for other people so that I can do what I want." — Laci (32:49)
• "If you work in government, you should know there’s a guillotine outside if you fuck up!" — Laci (55:12)
• "You can be a genius and a sociopath...but we can't value one over the other." — Laci (58:24)
• "Google these hoes!" — Franchesca (66:50)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 01:31 – 08:42: Introduction, personal banter, fashion and decor talk
• 08:42 – 21:35: Early scams, telemarketing, mall modeling, casting scams
• 25:56 – 36:03: Listener Letter: Clarice vs. IRS Scammer
• 38:01 – 68:52: Historic Hoodwinks—The Dr. Tantuaya Pacific Hospital saga
• 69:20 – 72:30: Scammer of the Week (Facebook self-reward)
• 73:35 – 74:52: Guest plugs & goodbyes

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Tone & Takeaways

• Insightful and humorous, peppered with cautionary wisdom about scams in all walks of life—from everyday phone calls to systemic medical fraud.
• Laci and Franchesca blend righteous anger, laugh-out-loud asides, and practical advice:
  • Stay skeptical, especially with authority figures and too-good-to-be-true offers.
  • Always ask questions in the medical system—do your research!
  • Wasting scammers’ time isn’t just fun, it’s community service.
• A prime Scam Goddess episode: comedy, catharsis, and true-con advocacy.
  "Stay scheming, but scam ethically!" (75:10)

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Transcript

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[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's Ya girl.

[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall and as always, stay scheming.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Scams cause robbery and Frau Scam cause robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's poppin Congregation? It's me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Back with another installment of Scam Goddess. And I am so what? Go ahead and say it. Yes, excited y' all know. Y' all know I love y'. All. How y' all doing? Good, bad, Ugly. Okay, listen, I am very excited. I. You. Okay? I'll be saying this every week, but I really am. I always am. And today, this is like my shero, my queen. I don't know if y' all keep up with my life outside of the scam podcast, but, like, this woman has held me down, lifted me up, made sure I was cute. She is a producer, She's a writer, she's a creator. You've seen her on all of the things, Honey. She recently wrote her icarly episode titled I Need Space. Okay. She's a producer of the. On the entire series, Honey. And listen. A blast. I love this woman so much. And she's also hot, which is ridiculously unfair. It's a scam. I feel like Jesus, you know, and God, when they were stirring up niggas in the sky or whatever, you know, they give everybody some qualities, you know, they'd be like, oh, she can be smart or she can be talented. And then they was like, oops, we also jumped in a lot of fine and very smart. Oh, damn it. Okay, we'll just throw it up and throw it out there, guys. Decoded, like, you've known this woman for. This is. She's that. I'm sorry, I'm rambling now, but, guys, Francesca. Ramsey. Ramsey. Thank you.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I feel like I love that you talked about how hot I am for a podcast where no one can see me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, honey. I post photos. Okay, great. And they will see on the Instagram how aggressively attractive you are.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God. Yes, yes, yes. I need. I need people to acknowledge and appreciate and understand because, you know, you know, you always come looking cute. It's work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, so, sis, you come looking cute. Like, I'm like, this is your employment. Why you got this gown on?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, listen, you know what that is? I am. I don't really do casual. I. You know what I mean? I like to be overdressed. I want to show up and have people be like, who is that? So thank you for appreciating that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's so casual, guys, she don't know what casual? Who? I don't know the girl. Okay. Mariah Carey. Francesca works out on a treadmill in seven inch heels, you know, and that's. And we love that for you. Also, like, Francesca is an amazing decorator. Like, sis, when it comes to decor, honey, like, I love Lukes. I love Lukes.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I love fashion. You know, I love glam. I love Color.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Truly embarrassing. This is my podcast. I'm in my fucking closet, y', all, because I moved, and I'm in my closet because my office doesn't have enough furniture to create echo. Like, to get rid of the echo right now. So I'm in my closet. Well, obviously, I have enough things to create an echo, because I love clothes. And I'm looking at Francesca, and she is in this beautiful room with this cute ass microphone. Is that a. Is that a highlight? What. What do they call that?

[Francesca Ramsey]

The microphone or my light behind me?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, that light.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, it's like a LED strip. It's a neon strip. And I decided that when I work out, it's behind my peloton. I want to have, like, a club environment so that when I. Peloton and

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

goddamn club lights and neon lights. And also, it's painted beautifully. There's like, she does these really cool things with, like, art deco, where it's like a square that folds into the wall.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Every place in my house has to be selfie ready. So you know what I mean? You come over, I'm gonna give you lighting. I'm gonna give you color. I'm gonna give you dimension and texture so that when you come over, you have cute selfies to show everyone that, you know you were hanging out with me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When you remember all those museums, like, Museum of ice Cream and all those, like, influencer places where you just went to take photos, that's my apartment.

[Francesca Ramsey]

That's my base. I'm going to send a cease and desist to all of those places because how dare they steal my swag.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They can't come back post Covid because I remember getting into the Museum of ice Cream sprinkle. No. And now. And throwing the sprinkles in the air and shit. McDonald's retire the ball pit.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, no, no. I was gonna be in there pre Covid. I definitely. Yeah, those places are canceled.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, I was a nasty hoe pre Covid. I won't lie. I was pits. I was in the sprinkle pits. Like, yes. And I was like, I could have died. Like, why? Oh, my God, Why was I doing this? You know how many kids were sucking on them balls and then.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, look, I. I am. I am very cautious in that way, but, like, definitely have hooked up in, like, a bathroom abroad. Like, I've done some questionable, you know, like, you only live once.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Very Gossip Girl.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Until, you know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that for you.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So I have no place to judge.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What about that was wild? Ooh. Mom. Skip, skip ahead 30 seconds. Mom. The Cathedral of Learning at the University of Pittsburgh. I went to Pitt.

[Francesca Ramsey]

You want to learn today? Did you say that at some point? Because you kind. I feel like you have to. Right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's the. It was. I think it's like the 13th tallest educational building in the world or something. But they had to call it a cathedral because in Pittsburgh, you couldn't build buildings that were higher than a church when they built it. Okay, so they were like, it's the cathedral. A scam. They was like, of learning. Of learning. Jesus, you know? Yeah, I know what we mean. And then they built it up, and it's cute. And, yeah, I definitely fucked in there on the psychology floor.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my gosh. I love that for you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I did. It was my boyfriend. Even if it was, who cares?

[Francesca Ramsey]

You know, you're a free woman. You can do what you want, you know, like, I'm not going to judge you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I used to be extra with sex. I didn't know that people, like, turn the lights off. I learned that very late in life. And so I just. I don't know.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I think it's a personal experience for everybody.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I was in there on a handstand. I thought I was like, this, not XX tube.

[Francesca Ramsey]

You're like, I have not been doing yoga for nothing. Someone's gonna get these moves, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen. Handstands, back bends. And now I'm like, I just want to lay on my back. Sir or ma', am, pillow princess. And always so. Oh, goodness. This is a departure.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, we got. I'm into it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Francesca, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed or have you been a scammer?

[Francesca Ramsey]

We love it all. Okay? So I, like, really thought hard about this, and I was an involuntary scammer. At one time, I worked for a telemarketing company.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Involuntary.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So let me explain. I did telemarketing in college for a company that was scamming people. And I didn't know we were scamming people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You were working in telemarketing. You didn't know you were scamming people? Like, that's the whole point until they call you at dinner. Okay, Were you vulnerable? Okay, look, let me.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Okay, first of all, in my defense, it was a different time, okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

2002, I was working for a robbery company. I know that they was robbing people, like,

[Commercial Narrator]

now, today.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, no, no. Look, I.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Look, I feel like you should let me defend myself today. Y' all get stuff from Instagram ads and, you know, YouTube and shit. This was an era where a telemarketer might actually call you and sell you something legit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, Interpersonal scams. You was like, no, we. We feel the people out. We learn who they are. We know.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I mean, in hindsight, I totally should have known. We were selling a product called septic helper 2000, which was like, something that you poured in your toilet to, like, help it work better. But then we would be like, oh, it's free. And then you just have to pay for shipping. But then what you don'. Know is then we will ship it to you every month, and you can't. You can't stop it. Like, it will just keep coming to you. So we would get a lot of angry phone calls. Like, I had been working there a few weeks, and then suddenly the phone calls stopped being. You know, you're interrupting me in the middle of dinner. And then the. The phone calls were, you. I've got this Septic Helper all over my house. Like, what do I do? And, you know, I was just trying to make the sales and get up on the board and, you know, yes, there was a.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There was a board there.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Board where if you sold, you would go up on the board.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, Let me tell y' all something that I just learned, literally just now about Francesca. Francesca is that student. She. She shows up early. She got here earlier to the Zoom than I did.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I'm always early.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally, I was like, starting the recording, and my super engineer, Marina Paes, was like, lacey, are you recording? And I was like, no, I'm not. And I was like, oh, my bad. And Francis goes, I'm recording, I'm recording. She is that girl who's like, oh, Mr. Simon, you forgot to sign the math homework, everybody.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Totally, totally true. I always tell people, like, I am chronically early. If I'm late, I'm dead in a ditch.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love this for you because I'm the exact opposite. It gives me anxiety to be, like, early. Like, I don't like that I was

[Francesca Ramsey]

the first person at your birthday party. And I tried to be late. I tried so hard. I was like, I was an hour

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

and a half late to my birthday party.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I'll be there at 3:30. And then, like, I was the first walking through the door. God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yo. I literally only came because my assistant was there, and she took a video. I was like, put me on FaceTime. Like, flip the camera around. And so she took a video. It was people there. And I was like, oh, damn, my People is there. I got to go. Yeah. Put my shoes on. I was like, okay, let me get over there. Oh, my God.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes. I'm very early. And so, you know, to that same point when I was working for this telemarketing company that I in my heart wanted to believe that just wanted to have people take healthy shits, you know, like, if they take a. They wanted to reach the septic tank in, like, a reasonable amount of time. That's what I was told. Okay. And. And I believed in the goodness of that product, and I wanted to get up on that board. And as you know, it was. It was a story.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Francesco belongs on a board. She loves on billboards. She belongs on the board of the academies. She belongs.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Name, like, my name should take up as much space on the board as possible. You know, I just.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The Emmys, everything. She belongs on all the boards.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes. Thank you. And then. And then I did also get scammed in high school. Do you remember that, like, fake modeling agency, Barbizon?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hell, yeah.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I participated in every mall scam that there was.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, I got scared.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I couldn't act professionally, but she told me that I could do all the acting I wanted to as long as I had good grades. So, honey, I was dragging my mama to the mall.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes, I got. I got roped in by Barbizon. And then they had a big modeling call in Orlando, and my mom and I went, and, you know, I should

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

have known it was tall and modelesque. Like, this is not.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Look, I mean, thank you very much.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm 5:1, and I took my ass to Barbizon. I said, what we doing, y'? All?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Okay, but here's the thing. I should have known it was a scam because they opened by saying, everyone, anyone can be a model, which is like, you know, sure, in our hearts, we want to believe everybody's beautiful. We all deserve love, but in reality, everyone. Everyone cannot be a model, though. That defeats the purpose of models, right? Like, there has to be normal people and there has to be models. So then them telling everybody, all of you can be models. That should have set off my alarm.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We want everybody's money, okay?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And look, these days, everybody can't be models. And you know what? What you're saying was true. But what I love that's happening now is, like, you're seeing disabled models.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Seeing full figured models. You're seeing middle people models. Well, that's kind of what's cool about

[Francesca Ramsey]

social media is to your point, it's like, democratizing it. You don't need somebody else to tell you you can be a model or you are beautiful. You can kind of control your own image and paint your own story and your narrative.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But also me in a back room. Regular people need clothes and most of America don't look like models. So can I see it on the bitch who's a size 6 or 8? Like, come on, listen. But at the time, what you were told was a scam. Cause at the time what you were told, you were a model build.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I was. Everybody was also in, like a busted office building in, like Boca Raton. Like, if you were going to get discovered as a model, it was not going to be in, like an office building.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what I mean?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Like, it was just nothing about the place said luxurious, glamour, fashion success. I mean, like, you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, they were on a month to month pop up.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes, absolutely heard.

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[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that's why I love HelloFresh.

[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Francesca Ramsey]

All.

[Podcast Host (Lacey Mosley)]

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[Francesca Ramsey]

So yeah, and then to your other question. I mean I like, I am a very cautious person. So now I think, think everything could be a scam. Like I don't want to believe if it's too good to be true, it's going to be hard for me to get on board. But I think it's also just because I'm, I'm very cautious. Like I don't, I don't want anything Bad to happen to me. So I'm, I'm very avoidant. I'm risk averse.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I am risk. I am risk attracted. And it's a problem because I pride myself in not getting scammed and I get scammed all the time and I am a scammer all the time.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So my gosh, I live in both

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

sides of the spectrum. But I love this for you. Wait, can you tell me at the. So at the end of this Orlando Barbizon trip, what happened? Did they, you pay for some photos?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh my God. Yeah, I paid. I paid for some photos. I paid for my photos to be in a booklet that casting people were supposed to see. Again. This should have been a red flag. No one is going to cast me from, you know, a pamphlet it printed at Kinko's, but that's what we were paying to have my pictures put into and then nothing happened.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And let me just say this. For the aspiring actors out there, for the aspiring models, casting people have no power. It took me a long time to learn this and I want to share it with you. Don't pay.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, don't pay anybody.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Casting people have no power. I had had so much time. I, I paid casting directors who low key up my career and my mental. Because they were just saying anything because they were getting paid for us to stand in front of them and them to cast us in anything. They have. No.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, they just, they are a filter. They pick through a few people and then give them the producers and then people who have power and then they ultimately decide. But yeah, that, that is a huge scam. And you always. I remember the Barbizon, I would hear it on the radio where they would say, do you like High School Musical? Do you like that's so Raven. You could be in those. And of course they're going to name a bunch of shows that every.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know they use you now though, right, Francesca? You know they still got them photos of your ass.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they, they use them and be like, oh my, look at this person who did Barbizona. Now she's a stop.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh my God, that's so true. I mean, thankfully I've had a few full blown glow up as a person so I don't even look like those pictures anymore. But you are probably right, they probably

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

are at the, at the outlet, at the strip mall, right next to Robbins

[Francesca Ramsey]

on foam core and like hung up on a, on a wall somewhere. Oh my gosh. Well, if you're listening to this while you're in the waiting Room for Barbizon leave. It's a scam. I've never been there before.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And fast. Because then people don't. Not only they not know what they're doing, a lot of times they bitter because of their station in life. I had a woman tell me for a like a commercial casting agent, which I was like, bitch, what was I doing in New York City? She was like, first of all, they told us, don't wear makeup. Come in as a blank canvas. Casting. People need to imagine.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, you could be.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No casting. Like, when anybody's casting anything, they're looking for the easiest solution. Yeah.

[Francesca Ramsey]

They want to think you are the character.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. You don't need to come in costume, but you need to come close to it. If you playing a who gonna be working in a diner, don't come in a full Dinah at waitress outfit, but you know, maybe have on a white button down like you work in service, you know, give them a something so that they can put the pieces together. People don't want to imagine. No one is imaginative. Also, she told me when I read the copy, oh, you're so sassy. Which is coded.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Like that's. Yeah, it's not even code anymore.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. It's aggressive. And people still do it a lot. I've been on press tours for goddamn four months. And. And it happens a lot. And she was like, you know, people don't really need to look for. She thought she was, whoa, this bitch. People don't really need to look for that in black people anymore. Like, you don't have to be sassy anymore. Like you can just be yourself. I was like, bitch, this who I am. What this mean? So after that, I tried to be what people thought I needed to be for a couple years. And I was like, fuck this. And then I started working.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I know I have to be who you are. I said had such an opposite experience as an actress. I mean. And look, our resumes speak for themselves. Lacey stays booked. I am behind the camera. Cause my ass was not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But she also be booking. Can I tell you that I auditioned for that superstore role that you had? And I had friends in the writer's room. And it was like, oh, girl, we loved your tape. And then when I saw that Francesca got it, I was like, bitch, yes. Like, I was like, absolutely. Okay, well, thank you.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I appreciate you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you're not beat me for some damn rose. You didn't beat me for some rose.

[Francesca Ramsey]

You know what I mean? Needed that. And I'm going to take and receive, but I Had in many auditions, I. I would do some amount of voiceover, and I would often go. And, you know, It'd be a McDonald's commercial, so they. And it would be for urban radio, so they would only call a bunch of black girls, and then it would be me. And so then I would go into the booth and I'd be like, I am loving. Like, I would just be myself. My super suburban Florida self.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We're gonna stop you, Francesca. We're gonna stop you. Love your energy. Love your energy. Love your magic, girl. Magic. This time, can you give us more? Like, you just saw your cousin Ronnie get shot in a street fight, and

[Francesca Ramsey]

you also have five kids, and they're all running around, they all have different

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

dads, and they're hungry. And every week you tell them that they don't have McDonald's money, but because your cousin Ronnie got shot, it's a special day. And so you're gonna take them to McDonald's and get all five kids money or food off the dollar menu. So, like, give us that energy and let's run it back. Let's run it back. Okay? Every single time, the lines are, sis, I love me some McDonald's. And when times is hard, McDonald's is there. Can you say that? When times is hard, McDonald's is there. Francesca, go ahead.

[Francesca Ramsey]

When times is hard, McDonald's is there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, that was great.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But I'm not booking. I'm not booking. I'm not booking that job. So, yes, I got a lot of directions to be sassier. And I just, you know, it never felt comfortable for me. It just didn't sound like me. And I didn't want to do, like an impression of what I think they want to hear. So, yeah, that's why. That's why it didn't happen for me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I get that. And look, I never booked a McDonald's commercial either. Although I love McDonald's and all their food, I think they sponsor this show. Oh, my gosh. So, yes, scams all around. Okay. You know, you told me, Francesca, that you're very tepid about scams. You're very tepid about doing anything that's risky. Which brings us into our listener letter, because I think that you're going to really resonate with our good Judy here. Guys, what's hot and fraud. Our first segment, we warn listeners about what's poppin in the streets with scams. And more often than not these days, we get a listener letter from you guys. As always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family scam got his pot at gmail dot com. Just make sure that the scam is retired, because we don't want to.

[Francesca Ramsey]

What?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. Fuck up your bag. Okay, so if you got the scam, Retired snitch. We love to see it. So, Francesca, I need a fake name for this scammer. We don't care about gender on this podcast.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Clarice or in life.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Clarice. I love Clarice. What movie is making? What movie is like, that's Silence of the Lambs. Like, yes, Clarice. They shot that in Pittsburgh, which is where I went to college. And that was like a big thing when I gave campus tours. I'd be like, they shot Silence of the Lambs here. Clarice says, hey, girl, are we familiar? Okay, Clarice. My name is Clarice. I'm not using your real name, sis. I see what you wrote, and I love listening to your podcast. I'm a welder. A welder. Okay. This different.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, well.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I will say that this woman, Clarice, does identify as female. And a welder who identifies as female is very hot.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Like, I hope she wears a jumpsuit suit to work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, I hope that you're just wearing like some suspender. Like some suspenders and no shirt.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And she's got, like, gloves on and a hard hat.

[Francesca Ramsey]

A hard hat with a little light on it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oily. I'm sorry. I'm very horny, apparently. But Clarice is a welter. And we love this for you, honey. She says, I work 10 hour shifts from 2am to 12:30. Way out in the welding at night.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, that's weird.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Y' all can't weld in in the daytime in Phoenix, Arizona. And binging. Your podcast really helps my shift fly by, so thank you. Oh, you know, I'll be reading a nice. But Clarice, I, I with you, especially because you welding at night looking all fine.

[Francesca Ramsey]

It's probably because it's so hot in Arizona during the day, they probably sun to be there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Protective gear.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, makes sense. So I'm sure everyone has heard of the phone call scams where the IRS in quotes, calls you and tells you that you committed fraud on your tax returns and that they've sent the police to your location to arrest you. You. Yes, we've talked about it a lot on the show.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When the police come to arrest you,

[Francesca Ramsey]

they're definitely not letting you know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They ain't gonna let you know.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. She says, oh, yeah, you know, you've heard of these scams the popo pull up. Da, da, da. I used to get those all the time. Normally, I would just hang up, but one day, my ass was bored. So how was you bored? You'd be welding from nighttime to dawn. Okay. I decided I was gonna play a game with them. I decided to go along with it. I gave them a fake address and Social Security number, which they claim match the they had on file for me.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Always.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Always. Also, like, if anybody call you, I told y' all this.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Do not keep your Social Security number

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

to anyone has your information, and they do need to verify. So, like, when you call your bank, when you call who got your information, they will treat you like a girlfriend that you've cheated on 12 times. And you got four babies by. And they will be like, okay, so what street you live on? Okay, Are you a robot? Click these four. Which is the traffic lights, bitch. Okay, okay. You survived that. Okay. Anyways, what's your mama, cousin, maiden name? When did your grandmama die? And what funeral plot is she buried in? So she done gave the fake Social Security number. They done told her, like, you going to jail, sis. We coming right now. We on we. Oh, we. Oh, you hear that? That's outside, not on the phone. That's actually us. So she said the whole time, I acted scared and worked up, like, I was afraid to go to jail.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They told me that I could repay the money that I was overpaid on my tax return by going to Walmart.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, no. And, like, getting them gift cards or something.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. You know where this is going. And our fans know the congregation knows where this is going. If you are a good Judy of the congregation, you've been in church long enough to know know where this is going. I chose this because y' all are starting to become aficionados of scams.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I love that Clarice is scamming the

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

scammers back, and I love it. That's why I chose this, because, like, I'm starting to see a lot of letters that are like, sis, I listen to the podcast. So I had a scammer come and try to play me, and I toyed with them the whole time, and then I told him it was a scam, and I was like, I love this. Empowerment.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And also the pettiness of not just getting off the phone and hanging up, which we've talked about.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Waste the scammer's time. Keep them away from, like, the elderly lady who's actually gonna get scammed by them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Phone calls are the Best scams, because all you have to do is hang up. You should never get scammed via phone. I understand. When somebody's in front of you, charismatic, lying, doing lots of hand gestures, maybe sexy.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But what if you actually did up on your taxes? Like, those are the people I think that are most acceptable.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like Karisha says, oh, well, with the whale emoji.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But I'm just saying, those are the people who, when that phone call comes, they might think it's real, because that

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

ain't how taxes work, honey.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I agree.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But if they haven't made them, they don't know out of Lauryn Hill's book. Okay? The IRS will send you mail. They will. They'll send you ominous, menacing mail and be like, urgent. Urgent. I'm sorry. If you put it in the mail, it ain't that urgent. If you got. If my house is on fire, ain't nobody gonna mail me a letter being like, bitch, your house on fire? Not that urgent. Okay? But they'll come pick your ass up if they need to pick your ass up. Okay, look, Lauren didn't want to go to jail for not paying Uncle Sam, which I think is still a scam. They found her ass, and knowing Lauren, she late as hell everywhere. So they had to really look for her, okay? They were like, oh, she's supposed to be at this concert. We gonna get her today. And it was like, nah. Knowing Lauren, she probably three states away. Like, we gotta really look, okay? So they told her to go to Walmart Wally World to get iTunes, gift cards. ITunes?

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, you're not gonna pay your IRS bill in iTunes. Like, come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Uncle Sam loves a good bop, okay? Oh, my God, he loves a Bob.

[Francesca Ramsey]

That's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I told them I had to go wake my baby up because I was a single mother with no one to watch her and take her with me. I don't have any kids, by the way. Not you. Creating a backstory. Listen, listen, Clarissa, Clarice, you're giving us so much, and I love it. The man said he would wait on the phone with me while I did that. I took them on a huge adventure, telling them things like, oh, my God, my baby pooped in her diaper. I have to change her first. And there was poop everywhere. So much poop. And I started asking him for parenting advice.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Told him I had to give my baby a quick bath. I came up with so many obstacles that I had to do before I left, and he just stayed on the phone talking to me.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Finally, he was trying to get his name on the board, Lacey.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was. He was like you. He was an A1 scammer. He was like, listen, I' ma get this sale. She's. She's on board. She's talking to me about her baby.

[Francesca Ramsey]

She's making me work for it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Imma get these itunes gift cards, okay? This woman and her baby. I' ma get on the board, okay? And look, Francesca didn't know she was scamming when she was trying to get on the board. She's just someone like. And follows rules, and I appreciate that because I am the opposite. Rules are for other people so that I can do what I want. So she's taking him on this journey. All these obstacles. Finally, after a while, I told him I was driving to the store. I said I lived in a small town and the closest Walmart was a good drive away, so it would take me a bit to get there. After probably 30 minutes of driving in quotes, I was playing dumb with the whole gift card thing. I started asking him if he only wanted the itunes gift cards or if he wanted a variety of different kinds. Told him I could get him some applebee's ones.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Throw a chili. No, listen, I'm a chili's girl. Throw chilies in there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Baby back ribs. Yeah. So he. She was like, oh, I can get you Xbox lives ones. Like, whatever you want. At this point, I could tell he started to get frustrated with me. He told me to buy $3000 worth of iTunes gift cards with 1500 dollars on two separate ones to give him the numbers because that's what they do. They'd be like, oh, buy the gift card and then turn it over and tell us the digits on the back

[Francesca Ramsey]

so you don't have to send it to them.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This scammer is dumb. And that's why he stayed on the phone so long, because he was wasting his precious time. He could have been robbing other people.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Here's what I don't understand.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Can you.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Can you turn those itunes gift cards into money? Like, I just don't understand. Like, what does he. Okay, so you can cash them out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's ways.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I had no idea.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, anytime you get a gift card, there's ways. Especially as long as you have the numbers on the gift card, you don't need the physical card to do things, to purchase things, to do what you need to do. You know, he could use that itunes gift card to purchase things in the store and then return them. Like, there's a lot of ways to get the money back. However, this scam is stupid because no, the IRS would never tell you to buy itunes gift cards like they wiling like this.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, they're like trying to to buy like normani single in bulk and then return it. Like, I'm so confused.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You ain't gonna return wild side even if you wanted to. It's a bob, you know, Seriously, they're like, you listen to half of it, you can't return it. But the best version of this scam is, oh, do you want to work from home? Do you want to be a secret shopper? Do you want to do. And then, oh, we mail you a fake check, you deposit it, it bounces like after a week. But in that meantime, you spend the fake check money on buying gift cards and then shopping in stores or giving them the codes on the back. That's the best version of the scam. The best version of the scam is not tax fraud. Like, this is stupid. So this man is dumb. That's why I stayed on the phone so long and, you know, shout out to dumb people. We can't all be smart.

[Francesca Ramsey]

All kinds.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

After the driving, the playing dumb, this guy's getting frustrated. I google pictures of the cards and read off some random ass numbers. He ends the call and I'm finally thinking, he just, you know, realized this is dumb. She was on the phone with him for 2 hours and 20 minutes. No laughing her ass off. Wow, this is a great email, Clarice. We're Stans Robbery eczema is unpredictable, but

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What the hell is this place?

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[Francesca Ramsey]

They will kill you.

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Wtf?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Splendid.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

How many of you are there?

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[Francesca Ramsey]

Please remember to clean up the blood. Wow.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And fraud. And we're back for my favorite segment of the podcast, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Francesca with a famous con caper group of criminals. Single criminal. We don't know. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. So let's see what we're dealing with today. We got Dr. Lokesh Tantuaya. He. He's a San Diego spinal surgeon now at the center of the most notorious healthcare fraud cases in California's history. Not California. That's where I live. He's been accused of medical malpractice and fraud, yet continues to be a practicing surgeon today.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wait, wait.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's practicing right now?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Of course. You know he is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He has he cutting on n right now. Oh, my God. He's not. Wife. He's not.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He's getting.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I guess we should have known by his name. What is going on? He's actually very attractive. You know, we'll put the photos on the Instagram. He got great hair.

[Francesca Ramsey]

This is how he scams people. This is how he scams people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Charismatic. And he got good eyebrows too. God damn. Wow.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He got them Zendaya brows. God damn. He got eyes that just see you. Oh, he looking at me too hard. Get the picture away He. I'm about to go get surgery from him.

[Francesca Ramsey]

This is a dangerous man. I Can you tell he's dangerous?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, my God. So, guys, I will give you a trigger warning up top. The story contains examples of domestic violence, graphic surgical malpractice. So take care of yourselves while listening to this. If you have triggers for that, maybe just listen to the first 40 minutes of the podcast and the last. But let's get into Pacific Hospital. Where does nigga work? The former owner of Long Beach's Pacific Hospital is a man named Michael D. Drobot. I have a problem immediately. Okay, so Michael looks like we look like a Marvel villain.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, yeah. This is about.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is not even a Marvel villain because Marvel villains be sexy. You're right. You're right. He's giving Lord of the Rings.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah. He's giving me Gollum.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's giving me the precious. And the precious is the hospital. Why can people own hospitals in 2014? Drobos. Why is his last name Drobot? That is a villain name.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Was charged by the FBI with conspiracy and paying illegal kickbacks. Part of his scheme included orchestrating a nearly one billion dollar health care fraud in which he inflated the cost of metal hardware used in spinal surgeries. Wow. Oh, no.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He's working on people's backs.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And, you know, everybody got a back problem. Yeah.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But also the back is the sort of thing that, like, once your back is, like, it's over. Like, it's. You're. You're done. You.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like he said, my neck, my back, my and my crack. Those are vital. They're vital. And so when they're. They're okay.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, this is. Oh, Lord.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, this is going a bad direction.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Also, I don't like this because if he's inflating the cost of these surgeries, he's found his in. A lot of times when we've done scam stories about doctors who found their in, they'll also push some shit on you that you don't need. Yeah. They're going to upsell you up. Upset. I didn't realize. We all go to the doctor, honey. Get third and fourth and fifth opinions. Especially if you are a person of color or you are plus size, people will get overwhelmed.

[Francesca Ramsey]

And what's really wild is, look, we saw the Serena Williams documentary. You saw how the doctors wouldn't listen to her if they won't listen to her rich ass. Right? Then, like, we go in there and we're just like a regular degular person. These. You have to be so, so Careful.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Beyonce almost died. Have her twins too, just like Serena. Like Beyonce. Can you imagine killing, killing Beyonce?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Can you imagine not listening to Beyonce? Like, I like, it just makes no sense. Like racism has truly infected your brain. So much so that you won't even listen to Beyonce.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it has permeated the medical industry. Absolutely always has. Doctors are told in school

[Francesca Ramsey]

and that we have a higher tolerance for pain. We're often told like, you can't get, you know, they want to give us,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

they won't give us hydrocodone. They won't get a. They won't give us the drugs that they freely give out to the Desperate Housewives and the housewife franchises to sip with their Xanax and their Chardonnay. They won't give it to us for life threatening issues. And like, people don't listen to us. So when you go to doctors, you have to be head on a swivel. I would recommend bringing an advocate like a friend who's very mouthy. If you're not mouthy so that someone's there. And if you are having a baby, get a doula. And if you want to still have a baby in the hospital, still get a fucking doula. Because they do crazy ass shit. My friend told me that a lot of doctors will rip out the placenta after you have the baby so they could get to the next surgery. And for black women, that makes you bleed to death. So you let the placenta fall out the coochie like it's supposed to fall out. And we are on tangents, but we gotta drop these gems anyway. Okay, so this nigga is a scammer and I don't approve of this already because in the healthcare industry, like, no,

[Francesca Ramsey]

you're fucking with people's lives.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Healthcare is already a scam. Like if you call your hospital where you get surgery, or if you have an ambulance ride or anything and you haggle with them, they will give you a lower price if you haggle with them before insurance. Because when you go to the hospital they charge you for random ass shit you ain't even used. So healthcare is already a scam. So if you scamming on top of a scam, I don't approve. Like you already in a scam industry bullshit. So additionally, he paid out more than a $50 million in bribes to drive doctors to perform surgeries. We said it, we said it at his hospital. So remember this, it's important. Later guys. Drobot profited millions off of this and he was pushing people to perform these surgeries. So hold on to that, y'. All. That same year, he was also sued for using counterfeit hardware in those surgeries. Counterfeit.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So you're getting bootleg AliExpress, you know, like. Like, where are you getting your instruments from?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is. This is bad. He. He lay away in goddamn surgery. Stuff on corner. Like, what's going on? God.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God, this is terrible.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, look, if you were in Mexico or the Dominican Republic where people expect to get discount bbls and certain don't do that, maybe then you could get your off in Long Beach County, California.

[Francesca Ramsey]

This dude is cutting corners, bro. Cutting people open and cutting corners. It's just. I'm not here for it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He cutting everything. So in 2019. God damn. This is recent. The already imprisoned Drobot pled guilty to illegally selling his luxury cars and keeping the proceeds for himself, which disobeyed the court order of his previous commission. So when he was in jail, he

[Francesca Ramsey]

was selling his shit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Selling shit and getting coins.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

His book stayed paid up. Okay, this is some context to his other crimes.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So we were talking about Drobot, right? The center of this is Tatuaya, right? Dr. Tatuya. Right. Dr. Tatuaya is still out of jail and is still practicing medicine. And I mean practicing like he practicing. He's not.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Give me this man's address. I'm going to order a task rabbit and have them just stand outside with a sign. Because if this die, if this guy's still practicing, people need to know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I've talked about this on this podcast, if you are a hater, get a hater job and direct your hater energies towards something that's a force of good in the world. Boycott this nigga. Like, boycott this kind of shit. Back to the doctor who we started talking about. So we was talking about Drogue Bot, the evil nigga who's in jail, right? He was the one who owned the hospital and the Long Beach. We're now going back to the actual doctor that we're talking about. So his current legal problems lay at the center of Drobots Pacific Hospital in Long Beach, California. However, his rap sheet goes back a bit further. In 2014, he was arrested and pleaded guilty to attempting to dissuade a witness from reporting a crime and child endangerment. He had pinned his wife against the wall in front of their children and told them, you kids leave, but I'm going to kill your mother tonight. I told you guys, there's going to be some domestic violence stuff. So this. This doctor and like look, when you go to medical school, when you do all this shit, you get a residency

[Francesca Ramsey]

to do no harm. That's like the first thing you do

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

when you get a profession like this. Unfortunately, because of the stigmas that American society has and many societies have, your station purports who you are. So if you're a doctor or you're a celebrity, you can't be this talented and this brilliant in one area and also be. Be a harmful human being. I mean, you make a good point.

[Francesca Ramsey]

We saw the guy's picture and we were like, oh, my God, he's good looking, I'm sure. Versus a guy named Drobot, which already sounds like a Transformer. And then the man looks like Gollum. So we automatically were like, not going to him.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He in jail.

[Francesca Ramsey]

And he's in jail. And then look at this guy. He's, like, charming looking. He's got good hair and eyebrows going on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He said it. He looks like a Disney prince.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He looks like a Disney prince. Parents. And that's. And then he's a doctor. So the person that you're supposed to trust, and then, lo and behold, he's a abuser and a scammer. And it also just goes to show you that you can't judge a book by its cover, because somebody being good looking doesn't mean that they're trustworthy or that they're a good person.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's billions of people in the world, and we all need to detach from the celebrity. The good lookingness, like, looks fake. Celebrity fades. We all die. So there's people coming up behind these people who are just as talented and just as good looking who might actually be good people. And we need to invest in the future and not what's already been. We don't have to hitch our wagon to bad people. So he did this horrible thing, told his kids that he was gonna kill their mother. God. God bless his children. When one of his daughters threatened to call 91 1, he grabbed her by the hair and threw her to the ground. And she called anyway.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, I'm canceling the TaskRabbit. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go after this guy myself.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally. Let's get the signs, girl. I got markers.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He's like, yeah, no, he's done.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's a bad man. The board reviewed his license, stayed that action and put him on three years probation, which allowed him to keep practicing. Wow.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Three years probation just all. Just give him all the leeway.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you want to kill your family, you should not be a Goddamn doctor. Because you don't care about life.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, no, no, no. You shouldn't even be like a podiatrist. Like, I don't want you anywhere near anyone else's daughter.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You don't care about your babies. And you cutting on me, that mean anything could go left. You don't care What? No. So, no. The term stayed is a procedure that the board uses which gives them more time to review a case, but gives the doctor an ability to continue practicing. So when they stayed the judgment, they basically put it on hold. He's got influence. And obviously, if he was working for that scammer Drobot, he probably got coin and he could probably pay some people off. So his malpractice. As Drobot was dealing with mounting charges of federal criminal investigations that year, Tantuaya was also involved in a medical malpractice suit. In addition to his 2014 arrest, in 2011, he operated on a San Diego truck driver. Tammy Martinez, then 52, had hurt her back on the job. The attorney handling Martinez's workers comp claim steered her towards this man as she was in danger of having her compensation soon run out. So obviously a scammer. We're looking at this woman right now. She is missing a leg.

[Francesca Ramsey]

She's trying to do some sort of exercise, probably rehab.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And she looks like a very determined person. A truck drivers have to have, like the most patience. You driving all the time, are you looking at.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Is when you're sitting that whole time, it's really bad for your back.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Really bad for your back and your body to just be sitting constantly. But this woman is working out. She hard working. Like, she looks like she's very intensely trying to get her life where she wants it to be. Her worker's comp was about to run out because America. So she was in what we call the despo meter high desperation to try to get this surgery done. Which means. Makes sense. So though she lived in San Diego, the Dr. Tantuaya insisted the surgery take place at Pacific Hospital in Long beach. The scam hospital. Now she lives in San Diego. They are.

[Francesca Ramsey]

That's like three hours difference, right? That's far away.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Four hours. Four, five. And if you include traffic, six.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow, that's a long journey.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Martinez found it odd that he wanted to perform the surgery so far away. But what was more odd was the owner of the hospital insisted on sending a van to pick her up and drop her off, paying for a hotel room and taking care of all her meals. Okay, look, we always say no such thing as A free lunch. And ain't no such thing as a free surgery. And getting flew out for surgery. Oh, God.

[Francesca Ramsey]

And you know what's sad is to your point about, you know, our health care system being broken, this woman was clearly at her wits end. End. She needed this. So she's like, you know what? I'm just gonna go along with it because I need this surgery. I need to get better.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Which is such bullshit. Not her wanting it, but bullshit. Just taking advantage. Go through this much.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, taking. Taking advantage of people who are already in, you know, disenfranchised positions and really need help. Those are the people who are most susceptible of these scams.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So during the surgery on Martinez's back, neither Tatuya or his assistant realized circulation had been cut off. Off to her left leg. So when we saw that photo of her, it's post surgery. It wasn't until a staff member mentioned the foot looked lifeless and gray that they realized. And it was too late.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The surgeons went to botch on an emergency thrombectomy, a procedure looking for blood clots or other blockages in her arteries and veins. Unfortunately, they did not have the proper equipment nine days after.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So they made her go all the way to Long beach, and then they didn't have the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That they needed, and they flew her out for this.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Because he wanted that back money. Yeah, that. That evil doctor, Dr. Drobot wanted the back money, so he flew her out to the hospital where he knew he could get it and didn't have the adequate equipment to actually take care of her back. Back and if something went wrong, take care of her leg. Nine days after surgery, Martinez was forced to drive back to the ER where doctors determined that her leg was gangrenous and had to be amputated. And we saw in that photo where she was rehabilitating that she had it for nine days.

[Francesca Ramsey]

She did it for nine days after that, and she could have died. Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is. These all. These are terrible. So gangrene, if you don't know, is the death of body tissue due to lack of blood flow or serious bacterial infection. Martinez says it took my job away. I've always had to work for minimum wage because I've always been on welfare. And then I finally had a frickin good job that I could do and support my kids. Fuck yeah. I'm sorry, y'. All. I know we try to do fun scams, but this shit is just fucking evil. And like.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Well, you know what? I'm glad that we're Doing the story because clearly this man needs to be exposed. If this shit happened in 2019, he should not be walking around under the jail.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I think carceral systems are fucking bullshit. But sometimes I'm like. Like, put the nigga under the jail. Like, this is. This is ridiculous.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Well, at the very least, like, she needs to get some sort of, like, hefty financial compensation. Because at the end of the day, you're right. The carcel system is very broken. And putting him under the jail does not reverse the harm that he did. Like, we need to put money in this woman's pocket because she's lost her job, she's not able to provide for her kids, and it's all because this dude wanted to be greedy and fuck with her life and her livelihood.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So the doctor settled for $500,000, and he probably has. He has to have insurance for how reckless.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I hope that money goes to her. I mean, it's. Again, it's not going to bring. It's not going to bring her.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

$500,000 is not enough. You fuck this woman's life up. Now, as an amputee, she can still have a full life. There are pity, plenty of paraplegic people who live full, excited.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But the pain and suffering.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The pain and suffering, yes. That you did to her. The harm you caused. 500 ain't enough. He blamed the other surgeon for this. The medical board has taken no disciplinary action against him in relation to this case. What is this medical board? Because also I'm about to drag y' all niggas, too. You stayed. You stayed his fucking. You know, he shouldn't have been practicing.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He should. As soon as that thing with his wife and kids happen. Happened. He shouldn't have been.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not have been practicing.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, they absolutely should be liable.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Believer of the Marie Antoinette policy. If you work in government, you should know that there's a guillotine outside if you fucking up. So Martinez's lawyer was later jailed for taking kickbacks from hospital owners. No. Whoa.

[Francesca Ramsey]

This dude is like the mom. He basically is paying everybody off.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Not everybody is paying his pocket. Oh, you know, they said they made millions, Millions of dollars. And he.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God, could you imagine? You went through all of that and then your lawyer scammed you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He doing the Oprah Winfrey. You get a bribe. You get a bribe. You get a bribe. Oh, my God. Look under your seat. Dr. T. W is giving you a bribe?

[Francesca Ramsey]

Holy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is he bribing me? He not bribing me yet. I won't take the bribe, I swear. God Damn. So in 2019, the board ruled that Tatuaya had been grossly negligent for failing to provide pain medication to a patient after surgery.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I bet you that was a person of color. But also, like, that's where y' all draw the line that he didn't give somebody hydrocodone. Y' all didn't draw it at him. Throwing his daughter at him, threatening to kill his wife in front of his children. You didn't draw it at him. Having somebody flew out to get a black surgery at a. At a hospital that didn't have the proper equipment to take care of something if things went awry. You drew it at pain. Like, and. And what I will say about this is it does feel like when Denzel Washington got the Oscar in Training Day, they were like, we owe you an Oscar.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes. You really needed this for earlier in your career.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When Whoopi Goldberg got the Oscar for Ghost, when she should have got it for the Color Purple, they're like, we owe you an Oscar. They're like, we owe you a disbarment. We owe you a disbarment. So here you go, sis. Here's your disbarment because we fucked up a lot. They also ruled that he was dishonest during his board investigation, creating post dating records for the patients file in an apparent attempt to cover his tracks.

[Francesca Ramsey]

The doctor forging documents.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was on Photoshop. He's a scammer. He was. He was cooking it up like it was stir fry. Tatuya spent 15 days in jail after he was convicted of violating a protective order granted to his wife. So he's still harassing his fucking wife. Piece of shit. I hate when people who are bad are cute because it gets them.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But that's how. But that is exactly how he's gotten this far. And it just goes to show you that he is a manipulator and a scammer through and through from the jump.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And also, like, you're already a doctor. You're making coins, you're doing Amazon discount back surgeries. You couldn't just stop there.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You had to continue to do harm.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But also, what's wild to me about these types of scammers is like, okay, a scam is a scam if you're gonna, like, steal money from people. This dude went to medical school. Like, he spent years learning and studying and showing up on time and doing his residency and doing his boards and he. He did all. All of these things to finish all of that work and then say, now I want to scam people. Like, that is a true, like another level of psychopathy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's a genius and a sociopath, and that happens a lot. And we have to acknowledge that you can be a genius and a sociopath. You can be someone who has brilliant things to contribute to the world and also be a nightmare to the human race. Race.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And we can't value one over the other. And because we live in America, we value productivity, we value genius.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Well, we also want it black and white. We also want to say someone is all good or all bad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that's not how it works.

[Francesca Ramsey]

It's just not like that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay? So when he spent these 15 days because he violated the protective order against his wife, he failed to alert the medical board of this. Failed to alert. This language is still like fail to alert. He didn't tell them because he was doing crime and you don't tell people about the crime you doing. So they revoked his license and stayed the revocation and put him on a two year reva probation. So they revoked his license.

[Francesca Ramsey]

They're just like not giving him any consequences at every turn.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Then they were like, okay, girl, you can't practice medicine, cuz like you did lots of crimes and people lost their legs and they dies or whatever. And you was harassing your wife, who you already was harassing, and she had said, don't harass her no more. And the court said, okay, we gonna revoke your license or whatever, but we gonna stay it for two years so you can like cook on niggas for two years. What? Months later, the board once again revoked the license and stayed the revocation and put him on a four year probation for continued violations. He's paying off the board and the board should be investigating and all them niggas need to be in jail as well because this is too many stays. Why, why, why are there so many stays?

[Francesca Ramsey]

I mean, it's just one of those things where like you're dealing with people's lives. It should be one up and you're done. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's, you know, it's different if you are like working the cash register at a, at a, you know, a shopping mart. And sometimes you're a little over or you're a little under. Whatever you get a few times, it's okay. But you kill someone, you honestly, you

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

don't get a few times. If you're under on your register, you're fired. You're fired. And there was a time when I was working Registers where I was under and I counted my money. And you know what I did? I pulled some tips out of my fucking pocket and put it in the register because I didn't want to be fired. And so basically the standard is hands. So that.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So the standard is higher for the person working the cash register at a store than it is for someone doing potentially life threatening surgery on people. I mean, it's just ridiculous. It's heartbreaking. It's infuriating. Especially when this woman, these people then get scammed by like the legal system

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

trying to fix the problem. Her lawyers scammed her. The fuck. This is a scam. Inception. Everybody's getting scammed. God damn, my Getting scammed. So the board spokesman, Carlos Viltario said that coming down on a doctor too hard can lead to costly litigation. Wow.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah. I mean, look, at least he said the quiet part out loud. He said he said it out loud. So I guess.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And he's the board spokesman. And he was like, we don't have the coins for this litigation. And that's why this probably also worked because Long beach is a small town in California.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's not a big town. So these people are probably small town folks who don't want to deal with the coins of litigation.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Hey, I know you did all these bad things, but I'm not going to do anything because you might soon sue me for giving you consequences for the bad things you did. Like that makes no sense.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So this is the million dollar private jet fraud. Jesus Christ. This is a long one, guys. I know y' all love a long episode. The million dollar private judge fraud. Still, the multiple revocations of his license, not the peak of Tantawaya's troubles. Wow. The shadiness with Tammy Martinez's five star treatment prior to her surgery, as well as why he insists on performing it in Long beach is all related to the billion dollar kickback scheme perpetrated by Michael Drobot. Drobot was the doctor we talked about who looked like Gollum in the beginning, who's in the jail. So we knew that he was the one who was flying people out to get their backs done. According to court records, Tantawaya was paid to do many operations at Pacific Hospital. That's in Long Beach. Drobot provided him with a private jet for the commute. T is a licensed pilot. This is a genius. Genius.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow. He had all this time to invest in all of these certifications, but then still wants to scam people.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Do evil. Like if you're a genius and a Savant. Why can't you just enjoy that and not harm people? And that's what people can't wrap their brains around. And that's why he's free, is because they're like, he's so smart. He's a genius. He's a pilot. He's a surgeon. Why would he want to harm people? He's so great. But this is sociopath. Yeah, they don't realize, be a sociopath and be a savant. And a lot of savants are like,

[Francesca Ramsey]

he just doesn't care.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So all in all, Tatoia was charged with accepting $3.2 million in bribes in the form of cash, bogus contracts, and the judge leasing agreement to perform a $38 million. $38 million worth of surgeries. Though he was first mentioned regarding fraud in 2015, when investigators were looking into Drobot's case. Case Tatuaya was indicted. He wasn't indicted until 2018 and has not yet gone to trial. He has pled not guilty. And I'm sure he's gonna blame it all on Drobot and be like, I didn't know what was going on. I'm just a good, nice doctor who's also a pilot and an abuser and a liar, you know?

[Francesca Ramsey]

And that guy's name is Drobot. He obviously is the mastermind. He's the bad guy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

His name is Drobot. Come on, y', all, look at me. I'm cute. Like, it's not me. So while awaiting trial, he remained free, but had to turn over his passport and $1 million and his jet. However, this past June, he was ruled a flight risk and jailed in Santa Ana when authorities discovered that he secretly purchased another plane and discussed fitting it with an extended fuel tank.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Which means he was trying to.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He was trying to go somewhere far

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

out of the state. Dates.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, they just keep giving this dude passes. It's so, like, infuriating.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's insane. Why I do this podcast. A large amount of it is like, yeah, it's fun. It's funny. We talk about scams. It's fun. But so much that we live in is a scam. All the rules that we follow, all the that we do, was made up by another human being. Who gonna tell me what to do? Do? No. Like, yeah, we do need rules. We do need order. We need people to follow them. But the bottom line is, is that if you a who ain't gonna follow rules, you ain't gonna follow rules.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But also, the rules are not being applied fairly to Everybody.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nope. Because like, power, influence, looks, you don't have to follow the rules.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah. Because every single turn, there have been times where people could have stepped in and stop this man from hurting other people. And they just kept giving him chances. They kept being like, they need to be good. Now, this time, don't kill anybody. This time, go on your merry little way.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Medical Board of Long Beach.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Pull up on their asses because this is bullshit. And they all need to be fired and under the jail as well. Because if you stand by and do nothing, you are just as culpable as the people who did the harm. That's why we talk about white supremacy the way that we do. If you benefit from it and you turn a blind eye to the people who are radical and keeping you in your place, you are just as bad as them. If you're not doing anything to stop harm, you are harmful. Like, this is fucking insane. So the aftermath is. There's no mention of Tatsu Wya's involvement in the federal case and the medical board's website because he is not been convicted. Carlos Vitrallo said In an email, Dr. Chatwa's license is renewed and current and he may practice medicine in California as long as he follows the terms and conditions of his probation.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Well, we know he's not gonna do it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't want a doctor on probation. I don't want a doctor on paper. I don't want. What?

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, this is just a really good reminder that you need to do that due diligence. Google these hoes. Like, it's just. You can't trust somebody on good looks and their word.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When you go to the doctor, everyone who listens to this, always be ready to fight. Ask questions, ask more questions. You are paying them. I think that there's this. This misconstrued thing, this misconstrued idea that when you go to a doctor, they're a healer, you're there and you're the weak, vulnerable person. Nigga, it's a job. It's just like if you go to Chick Fil A and they don't give you Polynesian sauce when you wanted to. When you went to Bigot Chicken, you know, like, it's the same thing. You got to go in there, ask for receipts, ask and ask and check again. Because everything is a profession, everything is transactional in this world, and you have to make sure that people are on the up and up. This is fucking bullshit.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I bet you none of his patients know that he's on probation.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God, no. I mean, that's not something he's advertising to them, I'm sure.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So despite the federal indictment and being put on probation three times in the past four years, his medical license remains active. He's still listed on healthgrades.com as accepting new patients.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Wow. Yeah. No, I'm so glad that you're, like, bringing this dude's name to light because we need to light his ass up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Light him on fucking fire. This is insane. I'm sorry. The bar stopped for me when he was abusing his family. Family, yeah, that was where it stopped.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He's done all of the things, like, he's doing, like, the fucking bingo checklist of abusive shit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And then he went on to cause a woman to be an amputee. And he went on to do all this fraudulent ass shit. And he's not being like, this is why the justice system is money. Capitalism fucks everything. Like, it just does. So, guys, woo. The sermon is over.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I am wiping off the sweat off my brow.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I know. My blood pressure is up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now we. Francesca, we went full past a full. It's goddamn NFL Sunday. But I'm not gonna hold you. But we held them.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God. I mean, listen, we had to go there. I'm appreciative that you did it. Cause somebody has to expose these hoes

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

and it's time for scammer of the week. And maybe we'll love this person. Maybe we'll hate them. I hope that we love them because I.

[Francesca Ramsey]

We need.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We need a.

[Francesca Ramsey]

We need a lovable scammer after that

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

last one hated everybody. So we might not love this one. Oh, no, I don't think she's funny. A woman who was on the run for being an accessory to murder, which is bad, was just arrested after commenting on Tulsa police department's Facebook asking about her reward money. So Tulsa police and every. You know what?

[Francesca Ramsey]

So wait, was she up? Was she asking how much the reward was to catch her?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was at. Yes, that's what she was asking. But they. She knew how much the money was. She was just asking if she could get it.

[Francesca Ramsey]

That, like, wow, now she's an accessory to murder.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So I'm gonna say she wasn't the murderer. I don't know.

[Francesca Ramsey]

But she was there. But. But sounds like she was. She was there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Maybe she carried the body. Maybe she did. You know, she did something that they looking for.

[Francesca Ramsey]

She thinks that she should get a reward for participating in a murder.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And listen, Marina, pull up the photo so that Francesca can see what this woman looks like? Because when I saw this on Twitter, y' all tagged me all over. No, she looked like, oops. She looked like, he.

[Francesca Ramsey]

He looks so proud of herself.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's like, I'm such a rapscallion. Like, she looks like, oops, like, I did a murder. Like, what? She's like, oh, you got me. She looked like she was playing hide and go seek, and her feet was sticking outside of the bed. And someone was like, I see you. And she was like, damn, you got me. Like, she don't look like she just got arrested for murder.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Yeah, she. She's, like, accepting her fate. She's very much like, yep, this is what it is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And part of me is like, she did get a criminal off the street. The streets. You know, like, yeah, herself. But you know, she can't get the reward money for that.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, absolutely not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you're not gonna call her homeboy to report it and then give her half?

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, no, no, no. Anybody connected to her or the crime should not be able to get the money. Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, no. What? Look, and also, she criminals.

[Francesca Ramsey]

No, she also knew. Here's the thing, though. She knew she had no business getting that money, which is why she fudgeing. Went up on Facebook and asked. She was just like, let me just double check. No, she knew. She knew the answer was no.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know why you would get on Mark Zuckerberg's Internet no. And tell anything about yourself. And the comments underneath were like, oh, sis, don't do this. Oh, they gonna find you. No, no, no. Like, she had a lot of comments that were like, sis, what are you doing? Like, your FBI agent is definitely gonna find you. Now, the Tulsa PD posted their Facebook several images of Lorraine a part of their weekly most wanted campaign. Ask information related to the murder of Eric graves at the St. Thomas Square Apartments. Not only. So not long after posting, Lorraine commented, where's the reward money at? Wow. So Lorraine was subsequently arrested the next day at 4:30pm after detectives were able to track her down at a north Tulsa home. Two other subjects, or suspects, rather, involved in the murder have been arrested and charged. Lorraine's bail is set as $530,000.

[Francesca Ramsey]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I. Look, she's an accessory to murder, so I can't root for her because you shouldn't be murdering people. No, that's not like in life. I do believe in beating people's asses. Sometimes people need their ass beat when they do some analyze.

[Francesca Ramsey]

We might have given her the benefit of the doubt if she hadn't hopped her ass up on Facebook because there is such thing as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Like, we don't know the circumstances, circumstances or who that person, you know, who actually killed the person. But the minute.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And we don't know what Eric Graves did. We don't know if he was beating on people.

[Francesca Ramsey]

And we don't want to speculate. She got on. The fact that she got on Facebook to inquire about the reward money tells me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Page. Why did you make a fake page? I made 7 fake pages to get discounts on toby.com when I was in college. But yeah, sis, we cannot support this. You're an accessory to murder. I don't believe in taking away people's lives. Like, if you do some foul, you're bad.

[Francesca Ramsey]

You're wrong. We're putting you in jail.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And guys, 1. Francesca, thank you so much for giving me your time. Francesca is a booked and busy ass genius queen who also has a beautiful heart. Heart. And she lent her time to this podcast, and I'm forever grateful for it. And, Francesca, I just have to ask you what we ask at the end of this podcast. Where do you want to be found? Ooh.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I mean, I am all over social media as.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, you are.

[Francesca Ramsey]

As Jessica Lee. I'm technically on a social media break right now, but you can still enjoy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's leaving my timeline so empty. Oh, you know what?

[Francesca Ramsey]

I'm being super productive. I'm feeling good about myself. I'm not stressed out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I just have to text you now, I guess. Yeah. What's going on with your house painting? What's going. Like, I need to know the things. Yeah.

[Francesca Ramsey]

So you could follow me all across social media at Cheskalee. C H E S C A L E I g h or francesca.net which is my. My website that is in sore need of being updated. But all the happenings are there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just go look at her on all the things. Cheskali. On all the things. The things. Go look at her. She's so hot and still incredibly kind and brilliant. It's ridiculous. I told you. God, he dropped all the things by accident and just stirred it up and spit you out. Well, I'm so glad that I'm a model.

[Francesca Ramsey]

I'm so glad that, like, all of these cool opportunities have, like, aligned us to be able to work together. And I just. I can't say enough how proud of you I am and how hard working and how talented you are. So I'm. I'm honored that I finally got to do the podcast. I hope the congregation enjoyed.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, they're gonna live. When my friends come on the show, they're like, oh, it's gonna be a hot mess and they know and it's gonna be fine. I just have to shout out Marina Paez, Judith Carbo, Kaelin Brandt. Thank you guys for the work that you guys do. I love you guys so much. And guys, if you want to find, first of all, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, just make sure the scam is retired. Scam got his podmail.com please go on itunes or wherever you listen to this podcast and rate the podcast five stars. Especially if you're white. You can put that as your reparations for the day. You're like, I did something for black people. Just put 5 stars on Apple iTunes and screenshot it and tweet it to me. I will retweet it. I will talk to you. Do the right thing, okay? And if you want to find me D I V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. A black lady sketch show. All the episodes of season two are streaming now. HBO Max five times Emmy nominated. Can you believe? Also icarly streaming now on Paramount. Plus get into It. If you haven't seen Franchesca's episode on I Get into it. Yeah, that's all I have to promote right now. I love you guys so much. Congregation, stay scheming, but skim ethically. Okay? Amen. Scam Goddess this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

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