Fraud Family Values w/ Josie Totah, Alycia Pascual-Pena & Yasmine Hamady

Summary

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Scam Goddess: "Fraud Family Values" w/ Josie Totah, Alycia Pascual-Peña & Yasmine Hamady

Date: November 28, 2025
Host: Laci Mosley
Guests: Josie Totah, Alycia Pascual-Peña, Yasmine Hamady

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Episode Overview

This lively, laugh-packed episode of Scam Goddess dives into the wild world of family fraud, with an A-list guest panel: actors Josie Totah, Alycia Pascual-Peña, and Yasmine Hamady. The group unpacks the infamous $18 million pandemic loan scam orchestrated by a single extended Armenian-American family, explores personal scam stories (including a tragic tale of a Craigslist puppy named Marcos), and offers witty commentary on historic hoodwinks and a jaw-dropping jewelry heist. As always, Laci keeps the energy high with quick wit and biting commentary, letting her guests’ stories and humor shine.

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Key Segments & Highlights

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1. Opening & Guest Intros

[02:56 – 05:12]

• Laci announces her three guests, hyping up their comedic chemistry.
• Quick banter about Leo season birthdays and gift-buying fatigue.
  • “Thoughts and prayers, please.” – Laci Mosley [04:46]

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2. Personal Scam Stories: The Tale of Marcos the Puppy

[05:12 – 15:22]

The Craigslist Dog Scam – "Marcos"

• Josie shares a 2020 scam experience: During the pandemic, she persuaded her roommates to let her get a dog from Craigslist, against better judgment.
• The pup, Marcos, quickly becomes sick; roommates are left scrambling to care for him.
• Marcos is diagnosed with parvo, a deadly virus, and dies despite expensive vet care.
• Josie discovers Marcos was sold by a Colombian dog cartel, knowingly trafficking sick animals.
• Emotional fallout: Josie has to apologize to her roommates for breaking their trust.
• Memorable Moment:
  • “So Josie, you got scammed, but you also scammed your roommates into emotionally loving a dog that had one week on earth.” – Laci Mosley [14:08]
  • “We think about [Marcos], and as long as he's… he's in a better place, I'll tell you that.” – Yasmin Hamady [15:17]

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3. What's Hot in Fraud – Listener Story: "Arthur’s Big Box Bonanza"

[19:26 – 31:30]

Retail Worker Implements Long-Running Store Scam

• Listener "Arthur" emails in about a years-long scheme at a big box retailer: returning “broken” customer electronics (which worked fine), then quietly transferring them through the warehouse and reselling or using them.
• Hilarious panel banter about retail workplace politics and how widespread employee scheming is:
  • “You open your hinge app and they're like three feet away. I mean, you did it.” – Laci Mosley [23:18]
• Quotes:
  • “Anyone who's worked in retail, restaurant slash, grocery store, slash literally anywhere, honestly knows that co workers drink and fuck eventually, yes.” – Listener Arthur [23:18 paraphrased by Laci]
  • “Allegedly. Free People!” – Laci, ribbing Yasmine about retail theft [25:35]
• Panel calls out "Arthur" for glossing over responsibility:
  • “Arthur, you're sus. Like, I don't trust you.” – Yasmin Hamady [29:12]

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4. Main Story: "Fraud Family Values" – The $18 Million COVID Loan Scam

[33:47 – 68:47]

The Evansian-Tarabellian Family's Massive Heist

• Meet the culprits: Rich Evansian, Moretta (“Mary”) Tarabellian, brother Artur, and a host of family members.
• Origin story: Immigrants from Armenia, Rich’s first arrest for grand theft at 20, then a long history of petty and major fraud.
• COVID-era escalation:
  • Within five months in 2020, the family files 151 applications for pandemic relief under sham businesses, netting $18 million.
  • Money floods in under names like Fade House Barbershop, GNA Diamonds, and Redline Auto Mechanics.
  • They use the windfall to buy multimillion-dollar homes (in Tarzana, Glendale, Palm Desert), luxury cars, jewelry, and live lavishly.
  • Family members forge documents, use dead relatives’ identities, and get sloppier over time (re-using names/addresses/payrolls).
• The fall:
  • Investigators tie the scam together after discovering overlapping addresses and dead “applicants” on legal documents.
  • Federal agents raid their property; some family members are arrested stateside, but Rich and Mary rip off their ankle monitors and flee to Montenegro, abandoning their teenage children in the US [59:20].
• Quotes & Panel Reactions:
  • On blaming the banks: “They tried to get half a million dollars that they knew they couldn't pay back to get a house, and then when they got caught, they were like, well, this is y' all fault.” – Laci [38:39]
  • On fake business names: “Anything with, like, a white man's last name. Like Richmond and Strong.” – Josie [41:19]
  • On privilege in law enforcement’s response: “Why did the police at least keep believing them? I don't have this privilege as a black person. I can't tell the black people, the cops, ‘I'll be right back.’” – Laci [65:12]
• Funniest commentary:
  • On the police raid: “Y’all brought a tank to Encino. This feels excessive.” – Laci [53:13]
  • On the family leaving their kids and only taking the dog: “They took the dog and left the kids.” – Alycia [61:43]

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5. Scammer(s) of the Week: The $100 Million Brinks Truck Jewelry Heist

[69:02 – 73:13]

• Unsolved $100 million jewelry heist from a Brinks truck at a rural California truck stop.
• The thieves have a 27-minute window, likely had inside information.
• Panel Reaction:
  • “Like, haven’t we all looked at a Brinks truck... like, mm, what's in there?” – Laci [71:54]
  • “Enjoy yourself. I just don’t care... So enjoy yourself.” – Alycia [72:55]
  • “Please don’t post this to the gram, right? Please.” – Alycia [73:01]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• The Emotional Scam Loop:
  • “You all kind of got scammed by Josie, but Josie got scammed by the cartel. So, all in all, everyone was scammed.” – Laci [15:03]
• On White-collar Crime:
  • “These people are so talented. They didn't really scam anybody but the government, which is a scam in itself.” – Laci [49:17]
  • “If you're white and you have this privilege and you a scammer, I'm not gonna tell you not to use it.” – Laci [65:43]
• On Leaving the Kids Behind:
  • “Where are the kids? Where are the kids now?” – Josie [68:02]
  • “Proud of them. Like, proud of them. Not their parenting skills. Those are bad.” – Laci [69:01]
• On Getting Caught:
  • “Every time they got in trouble, they pointed the finger to the people being like, it was your fault that y' all let us get away with this, which is crazy.” – Josie [68:12]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:56] — Guest introductions & Leo season jokes
• [05:12 – 15:22] — Marcos the puppy scam saga
• [19:26 – 31:30] — Listener story: Arthur’s retail fraud
• [33:47 – 68:47] — Main Story: Fraud Family Values
  • [40:57] — Pandemic loan scamming details
  • [44:15] — Using dead relatives’ identities
  • [45:41] — Spending spree: homes, cars, jewelry
  • [53:11] — SWAT-style police raid & reactions
  • [59:20] — Fleeing the country/leaving kids
  • [65:12] — Commentary on racial privilege
• [69:02 – 73:13] — Scammer of the Week: Brinks truck gem heist

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Panel’s Final Thoughts and Socials

[73:39 – 75:24]

• The guests share their socials and announce their upcoming podcast “Air We Say” on Crooked Media (August 11th).
  • Josie: @josietota
  • Alycia: @lyciadelsol
  • Yasmin: @childishyasmino
  • Joint: @airweesay
• Laci reminds listeners to send in retired scams and follow ScamGoddessPod on Instagram for episode visuals.

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Closing Note

This episode was a true showcase of Scam Goddess’s charm: fast-paced, hilarious, and loaded with sharp social commentary. The crew’s chemistry, real scam tales, and their take on the extraordinary pandemic fraud left listeners entertained and a bit in awe of just how wild the con game can get.

As Laci signs off, the congregation is reminded—“stay schemin', and if you leave your kids, at least leave them something they can stream the show with!”

Transcript

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay stay Scheming. Goddess.

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What's poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess. The podcast all about robbery, fraud, chicanery, hood winks, ginks and gangs and those who practice them. And maybe we love Them.

[Lacey Mosley]

And maybe we hate them, y', all.

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You know, we don't know how y' all doing today. Is my energy seem a little low, y'?

[Lacey Mosley]

All?

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I have been a little tired.

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[Lacey Mosley]

Well, guys, I am very. Yes. Excited. I'm always excited. Continually excited. But today I truly am elated. We have three amazing guests on the show today, so I know it's about to be a lot of fun, a lot of energy. We are starting out here with Josie Toda from Peacock, Saved by the bell, and Mr. Major. We have Alicia Pascual Pena, also from the Saved by the Bell reboot and Moxie. And we have Yasmin Namadi, who's for pretty boy, and Dear Mama. So we've got some actresses on the show today, and they are very, very fun and I can't wait for you to meet them.

[Josie Toda]

Hi.

[Lacey Mosley]

How are you guys doing today?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Girl, it's good.

[Josie Toda]

Good. I'm feeling great.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I'm good. Just because it is Leo season. So I feel alive again. So the sun is rooting for me. So I'm live, laughing and loving.

[Lacey Mosley]

That might be why. That might be exactly why. I feel tired because Leo season. My body knows what time it is. My bank account is already like, bitch. All right, y' all get them this u text me. Ready for the fraud.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Literally, cancer season wrapped up and they said the time is up enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's behave.

[Josie Toda]

The time has come. Winter is coming, and we.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Winter is literally coming.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I can't deal. You know how many birthday parties I gotta go to? How many birthday on a birthday presents I gotta get? No more Leos. We're cut off, girl.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

We gotta talk about Leos and birthday parties. The two beautiful girls that are on this podcast with us is August 4th and August 5th, so back to back.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Drake wrote that song back to back about us, actually.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah, he did. He was thinking about us for multiple reasons.

[Lacey Mosley]

There was.

[Josie Toda]

It was a double entendre.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, it was a double entendre.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Lord Jesus. The Leos in my family are. My mom is on the 2nd, my best friend who's my cousin's on the 4th. Two of my best friends are on the 27th, and one is today.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I'll be praying for you. Thank you for buying all those gifts.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thoughts, and prayers, please.

[Josie Toda]

Literally, friends of Leo's should, like, get free therapy for the month or, like, insurance.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I think, like, every, like, gas should be free only for, like, Leo season for all friends of Leo's. I feel like you should have like, 70 off all on all Amazon purchases. Urban Outfitters, the whole thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Travel vouchers first. Yes.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

A travel voucher. Yes.

[Josie Toda]

I agree.

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you guys ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Do you hate them? Have you run any scams? It could literally be whatever.

[Josie Toda]

All I have to say is one word, and you guys are going to understand. Marcos.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my. I just got goosebumps. Sounds interesting.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Die.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're going to wait. Okay, wait, wait. Everyone is moving and jumping around and shit. Wait, who is Marcos?

[Yasmin Namadi]

I think Josie needs to. Josie needs to start off. Yeah.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And then we'll give context. But I cannot believe you brought that up. That was a scam that was ran on us, but it was so bad that we can't even talk about it. But if you've taken it there, the floor is yours, princess.

[Josie Toda]

I mean, I don't like most things being run on me, but a scam most definitely.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

She's a comedy writer, guy.

[Josie Toda]

She's a comedy writer. But basically, you guys, I. So when we were living together in the summer of 2020, which was the conceit of this show, during that summer, we were spending so much time together, we were having many long conversations, obviously, you know, out on the streets fighting for our siblings literal lives, but then also talking in our cars until three in the morning and realizing that, like, we wanted to start a podcast. And in that time, I was just feeling a little bit lonely. I was like, I think something's missing from our household. I mean, I love that we have each other, but, like, a little furry friend could be amazing. So I sat my roommates down, the two girls on the screen, and then our. Our dear friend Anna and I pitched them the idea of getting a dog. And astonishing astoundingly, each and every one of them said, like, absolutely not. Like, they did not want to get a dog.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But wait, please make us not sound like sociopaths. We all loved the thought of getting a dog, may I add. We just said none of us are ever in this house for long periods of time, and a dog is a lot of responsibility and is like a small child. So as much as we would all, as a family, love to have a dog and. Absolutely not.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Alicia is my attorney, and she's speaking on behalf of the House.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Thank you so much for being in the court today.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's giving my client. It's giving my client, and I. May I approach the bench?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Exactly. Thank you. I am reclaiming my time, and I just need to properly shout out Maxine Waters. I just need to properly represent us as.

[Josie Toda]

As a.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

As a collective. We wanted a dog, but we were like, we just can't do that because their responsibilities and unknown factors and we are never in this house. Josie, continue. Okay.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah. So basically, they say they, you know, obviously, it's not smart to get a dog, but I had two little places of residence at the time because I was living in college and I was living in LA with these girls. So in my head, I was like, you know, if I were to get a dog, I could, like, split it with my roommates in college and then occasionally just, like, bring it to my room in la. But, like, not let it bother the other girls. And just, you know, randomly, I found a list, like a little Josie, I posted.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love the reframing of this. Like, you could totally be a scammer because what a rebrand from. So I sat my roommates down and I asked them, roommates, would you guys like to have an animal living in the house? And they said, no. And so I said, I hear you. I see you. I recognize that. So then I went down to petsmart and I got the dog that I already wanted and I retrieved.

[Josie Toda]

So, you guys, we need to get to the. We need to get to action.

[Yasmin Namadi]

We need to get to the bridge. We need to get to the bridge.

[Josie Toda]

So basically, I find a dog online and I get my roommates from college. I'm like, you guys, we're going to Riverside. On It Happened to Me Craigslist. But by the way, my mom has done many things on Craigslist. She's gotten jobs on Craigslist. Homes on Craigslist.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everyone does.

[Josie Toda]

Everyone does. Come on.

[Yasmin Namadi]

But this is important to the story. This is important to the story.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That's not elitist. That's what you're gonna say. I'm just saying. Craigslist in 2020. I knew what you were gonna say.

[Josie Toda]

We need to get to act, too. We need to get to act, too. So we basically take a trek down to Riverside county, which. Honestly. Who's we?

[Yasmin Namadi]

Who's we?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Who's we?

[Josie Toda]

Me and my roommates from college.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, honestly, y' all are giving a. Come outside. We ain't finna jump you. Energy.

[Josie Toda]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, let her get the ruin. Yes. Who's we? Who is we?

[Josie Toda]

Right, Right.

[Yasmin Namadi]

This is.

[Josie Toda]

This is like bullying. So I drive to Riverside county, which should have been the first red flag. Like, why am I going to Riverside? I should never be going there unless I'm buying, like, shrooms or like, I don't know, doing shrooms. Really only thing that ever involves. Not that I've ever done that or would want to or.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know what happens in Riverside. Trucks, I would imagine rivers.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Rivers inside.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a better guess.

[Josie Toda]

I pull up to the parking lot of a Starbucks drive thru. Okay, red flag number two. And a lovely Colombian man exits his vehicle with a face mask and a little white dog. And like, this man seemed lovely. Like, he seemed like a wonderful person. Handed me the dog. I. I mistakenly. And I just. I regret doing this. I regrettably paid for the dog. I bought the dog. I didn't adopt a dog. I shocked.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Arrest. You arrest.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, that's the thing in Cali, like, we were supposed to get all our dogs, like, not fresh, like pre. Pre owned. And I like that produce.

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I can't stand you.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's supposed to have some dicks on it and whatnot. But it's like they like, it's still.

[Josie Toda]

Him. $900. And I take the dog, I get back in the car, I go to the pet store, I buy the dog everything it needs and more. I bring the dog back to the girls, and they are literally furious. But can I just say that for the first. So for the first week of having the dog, I was incredible with the dog. I was staying up late at night. I was getting up at 3 in the morning. Truly, I was taking care of that dog as if it had came out of my vein. And on the seventh night, I was. I asked the girls, I said, I'm so sorry, you guys. Can you guys just watch the dog one night? Because I have to have something at my college. And they did.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Which we happily did. We happily did. Because at this point, we admit Hunwick bitch. You know, she lied to us about, you know, being on birth control and we ended up with the baby. That's what happened.

[Josie Toda]

So then I get a text at the 11th hour from Yasmine saying, it's bad. The dog is vomiting and it won't stop.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And I just want to make it clear that everyone was out in me saying, I can't take care of a dog one day. Of course take care of the dog. And I'm cleaning its shit. It pissed on my fucking skin. It pissed on my bed. And I'm holding It. And I'm like, this is a rat. Analicia. I just want to make it clear I love dogs. I want so many big dogs, but a fucking small little rat. I'm good.

[Lacey Mosley]

So is Marcos the dog's name?

[Josie Toda]

Yes, Marcos is the dog's name.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay?

[Josie Toda]

Marcos is the name of the dog. So basically, I'm like. I'm like, they're fine. Yasmine's fine. Like, she's just being dramatic. Like, the dog is fine.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Me, dramatic?

[Josie Toda]

Three hours later, she's like, we need to take it to the hospital. I was like, you guys, it's a dog. Like, you just need to treat like a baby. Let's wait till tomorrow, and then we'll see what happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, Josie, if you treated it like a baby, you would take it to the hospital. If the baby's sick, you know, like, put it back.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And no, if it's a baby, you don't leave it. You don't leave it with a nanny after five days.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ginger ale and some crackers. That is little.

[Josie Toda]

That's what my mom wears. Literally, like, have a Ritz crack cracker.

[Lacey Mosley]

And tell the baby to lie down.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Put a cold towel on their head.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

A couple hours pass, and then my. Our dear friend Shelly and I look at this dog, and we're like, okay, no, no, this has gone dark.

[Josie Toda]

So then mama comes home. Yeah, Mommy comes home, and we take the dog to the hospital. I'm like, all right, whatever. Let's take that out of the hospital. The dog has been diagnosed with parvo, which is the leading cause of death in animals. And it's like an extremely virus. Has this, like, literally 10% chance of living. So we admitted to the hospital. I spend a lot of money on it. Like a Honda Civic. Yeah, like a 2022 Honda Civic. Maybe even, like, Alexis from 2014.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I know people, Their fur babies, they're like, do you want.

[Josie Toda]

That is how much money I spent on this. And I. And I was like, it's worth it. I'm going to keep an animal alive. And I basically, after, like, a lot of money later, they were like, we can't keep him if you obviously aren't going to pay. So one of the nurses was like, I'll take him home. And then she was, like, following me on Facebook to, like, track their life. And then, like, she posted, like, rip Marcos. He went with God. And so then it was not until a week later that I got a call from the Humane Society that the dog was sold to me by a Colombian dog cartel. And I was a victim.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they knew that the dog was, like, ill. Had parva.

[Josie Toda]

The dog was ill. And it was a collection of dogs that had came from Colombia that were, like, they knew were super, super sick.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, Josie, you got scammed, but you also scammed all of your roommates into emotionally loving a dog that had one week on earth.

[Josie Toda]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

The saddest way to buy a dog.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I just want to say I was posting on Instagram. What should I name this little cute baby?

[Lacey Mosley]

He didn't made it to the gram.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Damn.

[Josie Toda]

I brought it to my lectures. Full of, like, a hundred people. People were invested. But can I just say, that was a turning point in my personal growth, because I sat all these women down, and they were shocked because I don't know if you guys have ever heard me apologize before, but I sat you guys down, and I was like, I fucked up. I'm. I'm dumb. I did. I disrespected you guys. I broke your trust, and I'm sorry. And I really just owned up to it. And then after I bought our second dog, they were, like, kind of okay with it. Just kidding.

[Lacey Mosley]

We bought our second dog.

[Yasmin Namadi]

There was no second dog. I think after that, we're like, rip, Marcos, that's enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love this, because you all kind of got scammed by Josie, but the Josie got scammed by the cartel. So all in all, everyone was scammed. And for the most part, it was fine. Except for Marcos. But it doesn't sound like he had a chance.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And we think about him, and as long as he's. Exactly so. He's in a better place, I'll tell you that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all pour some out for Marcos.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, I drink to him sometimes. We'll take a shot for him.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

He's a real one. But I think it's hilarious that we spoke about this on your podcast, because literally, us, as a unit, if somebody mentions Marcos, we don't say anything.

[Yasmin Namadi]

After we were silent, we literally are like, that's. That's a do not discuss type thing. Like, that is. That's, like, to be buried with us and Marcos. Sorry, that was bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, guys, I mean, I'm sure Marcos is somewhere looking up and. Or down, depending on how he lived his life. Up, I'm sure. I mean down, I'm sure. Looking down on y'. All. No, he looking down on y'.

[Josie Toda]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

He looking down on y'. All, and I'm sure he misses y'.

[Yasmin Namadi]

All. Well, he was tiny, so definitely. I don't know about that. There's some Mean dogs.

[Lacey Mosley]

There are some mean dogs, but we don't know what they went through. Speaking of mean dogs, we're gonna take a quick break for some non scam advertisements. Scams.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Plus, if Cash app sees you might be sending money to a potential scammer.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, send me the money. And there's always one person who really wants their money really fast. That's why we love Cash App. Look, the least amount of money that I've, I've ever requested for someone on Cash app is probably like $3 because I'm very petty. Listen, that's how you keep your money. You got to count every single coin, every dime. Okay? Get.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Days, and you'll get $10 dropped right into your account.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

That's cash.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Like, there's been some days where I.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Wrapped my hair up or it was straight or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it's getting a little.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Little greasy, honey. Little look like I just ate some, you know, french fries and then rubbed.

[Lacey Mosley]

All my edges off. So I love Batiste because really, when you put it in your hair, it gives you just that little bit of.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Volume and, like, clean look that you need to go about your day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because, listen, we're busy, okay? Capitalism is trying to kill us.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

We have to everywhere, all the time, all at once. And that's why I love Batiste. You can instantly refresh your hair. It absorbs oil grease, so your hair looks and feels more clean with added volume and texture. It's great on your hair and easy on your wallet. Okay, look, I have, like, textured hair.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, it's like a 4A, 4B black girlies. You know what I'm talking about?

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

I never thought dry shampoo could be for us, too. Buy Batiste dry shampoo online or in store at your nearest retailer.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we are back. And it's time for what's Hot and Fraud, where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the zeitgeist. But more often than not, we get your letters, and you can just snitch on your friends and family and [e-mail]. just make sure the scam is retired, because we don't want to. What? Yes. Fuck up your bag. Okay? And, y', all, I need a fake name for this person. Gender is a contract. We do not care about it.

[Josie Toda]

Arthur.

[Lacey Mosley]

Arthur.

[Josie Toda]

Oh, let's go with Arthur Arthur. After Robert Kardashian sock brand. Arthur George.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Oh, my God, Please.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

How do you know that?

[Josie Toda]

But my.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, literally, Kris Jenner has her, like, seventh assistant working on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like it's probably her 15th assistant. Yeah, he doesn't really get any calls picked up. He's like, hey, hello.

[Josie Toda]

It's happening in the garage.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, literally, Rob. Rob Kardashian's like, are we still doing this thing? And she's like, actually, you can't contact your mom right now.

[Josie Toda]

I'm sorry to weak.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's literally doing them. He's making them. He's on the.

[Josie Toda]

Waiting in the grass. Speak to Kris Jenner.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, one day he'll get there. I'm sure that is how he calls. Hey, it's me. Hey, don't hang up. Don't. Don't hang up.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. Oh, it'd be like that. So Arthur says, oh, a lot of nice things. I'm gonna skip those things, Arthur, but thank you anyway. This is Arthur speaking. Love you. And here's my scam. I worked at a big box retail store for seven years. High school through college in the early slash mid 2000s. It started out as, like, a little baby cashier, and then I moved up to customer service, leading the person who pulls out when all the Karens pull their manager shit. That was me for most of the seven years. So when someone would be like, can I speak to your manager? He'd be like, it is I. It's I, your manager.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I'm dead.

[Josie Toda]

That is always, like, the scariest part of when you. When you're doing. When you're Karen. And, like, I only weaponize my, like, whiteness for good. Trust me. Like, Alicia can speak on a time we were once scammed at a restaurant. But, like, when someone says, I am the manager, it's like, there's nowhere else to go. You can't yell at that person, too. You just kind of have to walk away.

[Lacey Mosley]

You met the final boss. And also, these days, I feel like back when America, like, America's super fucking toxic. And. But there are slow changes happening, like, in the service industry. Like, I remember, like, years ago, like, most waiters, like, they. What do you need? You want me to change the oil in your tires? Y' all want a foot rub? Extra appetizer? Like, whatever you could get, like, do to make people happy and get good tips. And now I feel like if you tell people, like, I'll never eat at this establishment again, they're like. They're like, okay, baddie.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, don't.

[Yasmin Namadi]

No.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's like, oh, my gosh. My favorite. One of my favorite videos of all time, where I think it's like, a Burger King or some shit, and she's, like, yelling her head off. And he. He's like, it's above me. It's above me now. And I'm just like, I hope that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was at a hotel. Yeah.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, yes.

[Josie Toda]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

He was like, it's above me. He could care less. And I'm like, that is the I don't give a fuck energy that we all need to channel.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I Love it. So since I was going through high school and then into college, through these seven years, I moved around the state a lot and transferred to different stores. In each store, I accumulated a new group of friends to drink with and sometimes sleep with.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Period. Okay. The best of friends to drink with, occasionally sleep with.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I love that they included that. They were like, I want you to know that I began busy, and we love that for them.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it's usually the computer tech and warehouse people, since we worked close to the customer service desk and they came around the most. So I love how you weren't even, like, trying to make friends with anybody else in the store. You were like, who was close by? That's who I would sleep with and that's who I would drink with. No proximity. No, that's too far. I mean, we talked convenience.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Fair enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

You open your hinge app and they're like three feet away. I mean, you did it. So these are the people who are around the most and zero Shame here in parentheses. Anyone who's worked in retail, restaurant slash, grocery store, slash literally anywhere, honestly knows that co workers drink and fuck eventually, yes. Oh, didn't know that was a requirement.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I didn't know that either. Okay, well, you learn new things every day.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I used to work at Free People back in the Bay, and I'll just tell you, these granola indie girls, they're.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were. They were getting it in at Free People. I feel like that's. That's like joann's Fabrics. Like, I'm not thinking, like, who's fucking at joann's Fabrics?

[Yasmin Namadi]

No, no, no. It's the anthropology to Free People pipeline, because they're all owned by the same company and they just. Plus Urban's in there and they have this whole little incest trio thing going on.

[Josie Toda]

Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Trader Joe's is just an orgy. We didn't know this whole time. No.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Erewhon. Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, like, they all fucking literally.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gosh, I find this hilarious. So anyhow, the customer service manager codes, they have, like, a close relationship with certain people, and they decide when a customer's device needed to be replaced and where the broken ones got disposed. So in almost every store, we devised a flawless scheme to give customers who are just bad at using iPods, computers, TV, etcetera, a brand new device or refund them if they wanted to return it. Then that broken product moved through the correct channels to get to the warehouse and then into a core. So basically, they're saying like a grandma Comes in and she don't know how to turn the brightness up on her screen or something. And they're like, oh, yep, Granny is broken. You want a new one? And then they take Granny's non broken phone and they pass it through the warehouse, and then it ends up in Arthur's car. Oh, T, wait.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But he's doing this with, like, devices.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he's doing this with, like, TVs and, like, technology stuff.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Wait a minute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That's kind of insane. But also, I want to know how that goes. Like, you gotta have people that see it and are like, well, my name Bennett and I ain't in it.

[Yasmin Namadi]

But I will say, when you work in, like, a place long enough, I feel like once you hit the five month, like, bench, you kind of can get away with anything there. They're like, I'm just putting this in my car. Real. I'm not saying I did that. I'm not saying I ever did.

[Lacey Mosley]

Allegedly. Allegedly. Free people.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Free people. Check Yaz's car, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, they. They.

[Yasmin Namadi]

That's what they have to start doing with some of our people. They're like, can I just see your bag before you leave? And I'm like, I'm not gonna go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like you said, free for the people.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

People. I'm the people.

[Yasmin Namadi]

You said free people. You want to be an advocate for women? I'm a woman, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm. I'm free people. Like, so I took the jeans.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah.

[Josie Toda]

Literally.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Shut up.

[Josie Toda]

Sorry. Although, now that you think about it, free people could be a. Like a. A really awful front for, like, a trafficking scheme.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. Well, I hope not. Josie. You took a real. You took a straight to take it. Liam Neeson is literally shaking right now.

[Josie Toda]

I was just like, maybe that's what they're all about.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Like a 24. A 24 is next project inspired by.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally, they're knocking a judge right now.

[Josie Toda]

It should be called For People. That's an amazing title. I'm going to leave and write.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Copyright. Copyright immediately. So they're passing the broken devices and somehow they're magically landing in someone's car. Although we were never officially caught, I was eventually no longer invited to return to my hometown store during summer break from college. And the security manager did vaguely mention crime charges. Slash, stay away from the store. Arthur. Now, why did you write this like this? This is like Josie's intro to her tricking y' all into getting a dog. I cannot. Where Justin was like, we all trying to find the guy who did this.

[Josie Toda]

Your Honor.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Arthur Listen here. I have love for you. I do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Arthur said, yeah, it was so crazy. I was trying to go back to my old job. And they said something about leave the premises. We calling 911.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Arthur, you're making yourself look like this was on me. Like you are the culprit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Arthur.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's the way that he put it. He first prefaced it being like, I don't know. This is crazy. Chile, you got in trouble also. I want to. I wish I could ask Arthur questions. So you were doing this shit at multiple stores. Like you weren't doing this shit at one store?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, because Arthur was in college, so they were moving around so you can get transferred from store to store. I noticed because I was a terrible store employee. So when I was trying to move to New York, they were like, no, babe, we actually don't have no room for you. I was working at White House Black Market and I did not dress the.

[Josie Toda]

Black, which is the weirdest store in the entire world. Like, literally. Why would you. Why do you only sell white and black clothes? Like, what's the point of that?

[Lacey Mosley]

The point is you posted not ever notice the quality is bad. And it's a store for like middle aged women was designed for middle aged women where they're like, we're the fuck up. All the size charting in here. So much so that America's sick ass.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Diet culture is going to make you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feel like you're skinnier when you buy clothes from here. So like a size 4 at White House Black Market is really like a size 8 at most other stores. It's like. But they'll. You'll go in and be like, oh.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

My God, I'm a size zero.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm buying it.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And that.

[Yasmin Namadi]

That in of itself is a scam. You're welcome.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That is insane. I didn't know that. I just quickly walked past. I want to go there because I don't know why. It gives me the heebie jeebies, that story.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're supposed to be like, fake bougie in there. And I was always walking there because I was in college, so I was walking there in the summertime. I'd be showing up sweaty and not wearing the right clothes. I'm sure they were ready to get. But I was like, can I transfer to New York? And they were like, oh, they actually full up there, girl.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

We called and that was the energy they gave Arthur. They were like, yeah, you destiny. Like a criminal. So that's why you can't come up in here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, Arthur is giving us a Very sugar coated version of it. He's basically like, absolutely, I'm gonna keep.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It real with you right now, Arthur. You're sus. Like, I don't trust you.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's going on? Listen, I love a big box scam. I love a big box scam like you do.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

You. The world is your oyster. But, baby, why'd you send an email to scam Goddess being like, the things just ended up in my car. You could have just been like, no, no. Like, I'm like, please send me.

[Yasmin Namadi]

You never get a letter again. Scam Goddess shuts down, this whole podcast ends because Alicia called him out.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Sue me, sue me, sue me. No, I'm just like, why did you say what it was? That's what I'm trying to ask right now. I'm like, you could have just been like, I was putting the devices in my car and I wasn't invited back to my flagship store in my hometown because they found out about my activities. But you know what?

[Yasmin Namadi]

No, but that's. But then he's admitting. And there's no context. There's no, like, did Arthur lie?

[Lacey Mosley]

Did Arthur lie? No, he did it. He said that he threw the item in the store and then that store was relocated to his home. You know, it was just relocated. That's all. It's just a transfer of energy.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's just where it ended up.

[Lacey Mosley]

It mattered, you know, a property.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I mean, I feel like Arthur is just so ahead of the game, and I just feel like he's so advanced and like, they're just thinking like, nothing really matters in this world. So, like, if this, like, couple thousand dollar object lands in my home, that's just the way the universe wanted to make it.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's called. It's called a blessing. I just love. I just love Arthur going back to his old store. And he was like, yeah, they was waiting outside with some little bracelets they wanted me to put on. Talk about put my hands in the air. I was like, I don't know, y' all dancing or something? I just. I just decided to take a jog and leave. You ran away now? I took a jog and left.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Maybe I actually need to channel a bit of Arthur. Because he was like, that's not my problem. He was like, I'm gonna do me. Arthur's big on that. I'm gonna do me. And he's living his best Joanne the scammer life. So I love that for him.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I love her.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Joanna the scammer is my heart.

[Lacey Mosley]

My heart same.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I miss her.

[Lacey Mosley]

I Do too. I wonder what she's doing right now.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Brayden, I've done my research because I'm crazy. She's taking care of her family and I support that. I support that for my good sis. But I really miss all her videos. Like iconic.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but guys, we're gonna take one more quick break for some non scam advertisements and we'll be back with my favorite part of the show. Historic hoodwinks robbery.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

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[Josie Toda]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[T-Mobile Announcer]

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[Josie Toda]

Whoa.

[T-Mobile Announcer]

So is Saldana.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Hey, can you wrap these, please?

[Josie Toda]

Wow.

[T-Mobile Announcer]

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[T-Mobile Representative]

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[T-Mobile Announcer]

I'm the worst. I only got my mom a robe.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Well, it's better than socks.

[T-Mobile Announcer]

So I have to trade in my old phone, right?

[T-Mobile Representative]

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[T-Mobile Announcer]

Incredible.

[T-Mobile Representative]

In fact, wrap up my old phone too, for my aunt Rosa, forget that. Aunt Liz will be jealous.

[T-Mobile Announcer]

Sounds like my family drama.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I got it.

[T-Mobile Representative]

I'll give it to my abuela. I'll take reindeer paper with.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, where are you going? To T Mobile.

[T-Mobile Announcer]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Visit t mobile.com and Frau. And we are back. And it's time for historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale our trio today with a famous concept group of criminals. And we'll just get their opinions all throughout. Maybe they love them, maybe they hate them. So, Richard Rich Evansian and Moretta Tarabellian. I think I got those. There we go. Those are the only times I'm gonna be saying those names were the leaders of a family fraud ring that collected $18 million in the pandemic for, like, pandemic relief for 151 sham businesses. Over the course of just five months, they built a family business of scams to fund their luxury lifestyle. So in five months, they stole $18 million under fake businesses. Oh, she's giving Jamie Lynn Spears a little bit.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

A little bit. I see that.

[Josie Toda]

Don't do her like that. She's beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

Who are you referring to?

[Josie Toda]

Next.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. We ended the last video. Josie just left. She just left, guys. She got up and she left. She dropped the bike. Okay.

[Josie Toda]

Stormed off and just jumped out the window.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. No, it looks like at least she got some good highlights with these PPE loans. Like, the blonde is right.

[Josie Toda]

She has a really great nose.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yaz, you disrespectful. 18 million. 18 million.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, but maybe they used it all on bleach. I'm just saying that the hair looked like it was nice and colored. Okay, Alicia does not agree.

[Yasmin Namadi]

No, I'm not Alicia's team with this. Wait, go on though. I need to hear.

[Josie Toda]

It's toned. The.

[Lacey Mosley]

The beginning brothers Rich and Arthur. Arthur without the h. So Artur. Excuse me. They were born in Armenia and immigrated to the United States in 1989 with their mother and 10 other relatives at the age of 20, Rich was arrested for the first time after committing grand theft in a scam involving bad checks. Okay. We love a bad check moment. The 80s were, I wish I could write checks now. Like, I feel like if I went anywhere and was like, oh, here's a check. They're like, like, we're calling the police.

[Yasmin Namadi]

They're like, that's a lie. That's a lie.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Just immediately, no, like, I want to go to Subway. I feel like Subway would still allow you to pay with a check.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I feel like if you'd go to, like, Erewhon and you have a check, they're like, you hate the environment. You're not allowed back in this fucking store.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

They'd be like, get out now. I kind of want to try that. Can we all try to, like, Alicia.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I'll pick you up in 30, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

McDonald's, would they do a check? We're going to figure this out. So afterwards, he tried to break into real estate, but his criminal past hindered him. Duh. Because he was doing crime. Rich met his wife and future partner in crime, Mary, at a party in 2001, and the couple married years later. I feel like 2001, you guys were, like, just born and. Yeah, yeah. And it was a wild time. It was like our 80s, and we were all wearing very terrible things.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Weren't you guys, like, living your best life? Because, like, y' all thought the world was gonna end. And then y' all were like, oh, my God.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Not you making Lacey feel like she.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was, like, 30 at that age.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Not you saying, weren't you, like, really old?

[Lacey Mosley]

I was. I was a child. I was a child at the time. But, but, but at least I, I, we. We do love shady. I love a shady moment. I don't hear about age. Cause the age girlies will come for me, too. It's giving age.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It wasn't even shady. Why y' all do me like that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Sometimes we gotta bring ageism back. Cause it's too many old people in government. Like, we just gotta bring a little bit. All right, so, you know, it's 2001. People are wearing joutfits. People are wearing leggings and skirts. And then for some reason, a belt on top of the skirt that doesn't connect into the skirt at all. These are the choices that are being made. Everything is unhinged. The crime family. The couple grew to become a crime family. I love a scamily. I love that they're both like, we're criminals. Let's fall in love. Together.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Bonnie and Clyde.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love her. Imagine growing up your industry's crime. Like, you wanna be a painter? And they're like, come on, you gotta join the family business. Robbery, right? That's what we do.

[Josie Toda]

Keep it in the family.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I love the Godfather. I love the godfather.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's giving 50 cents power right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly it is, I think a mix of $0.50 power, the Godfather, and then like one of those, like, rom com movies.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But damn. Okay, so the whole family is in the mess.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And they love it. So after a few years of marriage and a couple of kids, they were arrested for submitting fake tax returns in 2011. So 10 years later, they filing some fake kids and whatnot. Love that for them. After the couple pleaded guilty to mortgage fraud to get a half a million dollar line of credit on their Encino house, the lawyers blamed the banks for their loose lending standards, and they were spared prison time. So basically, they tried to get half a million dollars that they knew they couldn't pay back to get a house in Encino. And then when they got caught, they were like, well, this is y' all fault.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Like the government, like, why would you give me the money?

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all not even locking the bank up that good. And y' all expect me not to steal? Like, I don't.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That's crazy. Like, you already know I didn't have it, so why give it to me? I love that that worked. I love that that worked. And they got less jail time because of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. They're like, it's giving irresponsible on your end.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It's giving abusive boyfriend saying, like, well, if I only cheated because you just couldn't because you were breathing, like, that's.

[Josie Toda]

You couldn't make me happy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Yasmin Namadi]

You couldn't, like, have sex with me ten times a day. So obviously I wasn't gonna cheat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all got some specifics?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, I'm dead.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Me airing my grievances on your episode.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, listen, listen. You gotta get him out. Okay? So in March 2020, just three days after Congress approved the first $2.2 trillion Covid package, Rich signed up for $112,000 loan for top Quality Contracting. That's his contracting firm that he made up. That is top Quality. And even know tracks nobody does because it's not real.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

As much as I'm surprised that it worked for them for the tax fraud, Were they not doing, like, their due diligence like, this time around? Like, I'm confused. They got this money after they already had legal trouble.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I mean, they probably needed more money for all the lawyers, you know, more crime. Crime isn't cheap. You know it's not.

[Josie Toda]

No.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Josie's like, I know that. Yeah. I would know.

[Josie Toda]

Please.

[Lacey Mosley]

Marcos, back in your cartel days.

[Yasmin Namadi]

No, that's enough. Marcos is, like, shaking in the grave. Ooh, Sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh. Oh, my goodness gracious. So Top Quality Contracting clearly wasn't doing any contract. Definitely not top. Definitely not quality. Just vibes. No. No hammers, no nails. Just vibes. So the following day, Mary requested $150,000 for journeyman construction, another construction company that's definitely constructed things. By August 2020, Rich, Mary, and their accomplices had applied for 151 of these loans under fake business names. So this is like the pandemic. Everybody's. Their businesses, small businesses getting shut down. People are getting these loans. They filed for 151 of these loans from the government, which I'm like, don't you know the government's gonna look like, hey, girl, it's me, Uncle Sam. We just wondering when we was gonna get them 151 loans back. Like, what are you doing?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fade house Barbershop collected $150,000. GNA Diamonds got $259,000. Redline Auto Mechanics got $400,027. These sound like some good fake names, though. Do y' all have any fake names for a business that would sound legit? I'm thinking, like, Clearwater Holdings. That sounds like a business.

[Josie Toda]

Or anything with, like, a white man's last name. Like Richmond and Strong.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah, That's. It's a lot.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It's giving. Law firm.

[Josie Toda]

That's a law firm.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm giving my money to Richmond and Strong. We give the government's money to Richmond and Strong. Right?

[Josie Toda]

Anything with the word rich. And it's like, you want to get. Give money to.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, it's like I trust you automatically, even though there's. There's no one there.

[Josie Toda]

It's a bot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Two names.

[Josie Toda]

Lifeless hole.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lifeless hole. Goodness. So in order to apply for the loans, the group often created these fake identities using names of Eastern Europeans whose identities had been stolen from visas while they were studying in the US So.

[Josie Toda]

They'Re using interesting race, but we're like. I mean, at least we're keeping it in with Caucasian on Caucasian crime.

[Lacey Mosley]

They also fabricated payroll tax returns. But after 151 companies, they began to lose their creativity. Duh. Like, if y' all keep coming in, what the hell? It's you again. Yeah, I got a new company that's.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

My thing is, like, how many names did they use? Because you're telling me that the government just saw the same people and pulling out all these businesses, like, this is kind of crazy.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I just want to call it from now. There's going to be a Hulu show about this. Like, I know it in the next.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, two years, for sure.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Amanda Seyfried's going to play her. Not. She's done with Theranos.

[Josie Toda]

She's done with it.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

She's gonna bring her voice back up to normal. Yep. Oh, we've talked about Lizzie. We love Lizzie.

[Yasmin Namadi]

But there's, like, a writer's room. I feel like that family has for, like. Okay, so how are we gonna fabricate this?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

They have to. They have to, right?

[Josie Toda]

They have, like, a staff. There's, like.

[Yasmin Namadi]

There's a whole staff. So, like, what names do we come up with today?

[Josie Toda]

And, like, we need to break this the next six months. Like, what are the stories?

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally? And they. They'll never run out, honestly. Truly. Multiple companies were submitted as identical payrolls, so they got. They didn't even keep switching up the payrolls. One of Rich's more grievous mistakes was when he'd stole the identity of his wife's late father, Nazar Terribilian. So he stole the identity of his wife's dead daddy five days after the man's death. Damn. Yeah.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

So they do not care.

[Yasmin Namadi]

They need to be investigated on how the fuck he died. That's all I'm gonna say right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that's not so wild to be at the funeral. Like, damn, this is so crazy. So what was his Social Security?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I'm at work right now.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, no, we need his signature. Technically, he wrote it. The casket was open.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, you can just write it on top of the casket. Yeah, please.

[Josie Toda]

Right, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we gotta get these papers filed. Yeah, like, y' all could even let the man rest for like, a week before you stole his identity. Well, damn. So his name was listed as the applicant for more than a $500,000 emergency COVID 19 loan called for mod interiors. That's this business. So a pandemic loan was used to pay a mortuary $8,500 bill for his funeral while his name was being used on other applications. So they used it to pay for his funeral. Then they were like, we're also gonna take out more loans in your name while you're dead.

[Josie Toda]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I'm not mad at this. So still the pandemic money was used. I mean. Cause he's dead. What is he gonna do, have bad credit when he dead?

[Josie Toda]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, what Experian gonna do to me when I'm dead? You. Right.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But I think my question is, like, how much trifling is too much trifling? You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

What does credit card say to my casket? Oh, like, I, like, I see what.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

You saying, but I'm like, this is crazy. Like, 151 businesses on top of the dead. There's a lot going on. Okay, okay. I'm trying to keep track.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they purchased a $3.25 million hillside Mediterranean style villa in Tarzana. That's in California.

[Josie Toda]

Why are you obsessed with the Valley? It's like, if you're that rich, like, like go to buy a house in Malibu. They're, like, obsessed with the 10 minutes between, like, the 405 and the 101.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're scammers. They need to be able to get out quickly.

[Yasmin Namadi]

In and out.

[Josie Toda]

I don't know, go to Santa Monica, go to Brentwood, go to the Palisades. There's so many other places rich in.

[Lacey Mosley]

They have a million dollar home in Glendale. So to your point, Josie, it's giving Homeland.

[Josie Toda]

It's giving Homeland.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they have a third home in Palm Desert. So they have one that's like vacation. But they have three homes. They also purchased a number of jewelry pieces. Gold, diamonds, cars, and even a 35, 000 Rolex wristwatch while on vacation in Turks and Caicos. They know how to live, though.

[Josie Toda]

They do. They at least have good taste.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do. Look, money don't buy you taste or class. So we love this. Rich's mother stayed in their Encino home where his sister in law, Tamara, they call Tammy, I love a woman named Tammy. Also had a home office. So eventually the group's paperwork got too sloppy and investigators began to dig further. This is Tammy and she's giving Tammy.

[Yasmin Namadi]

She looks like a Tammy. The eyebrows are definitely a Tammy. Is she smiling in her mugshot?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I was gonna say. I have to say she looks good in her mug shot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, her face beat.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yes. That's what you meant.

[Lacey Mosley]

She looks like.

[Josie Toda]

She drives a red Lexus and she. Her nails clack when she types. Get the fabric cream interior. They do this like that. You can smell. I can smell like the cloth with, like a little bit of McDonald's stain in the front seat.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Josie, you painted this picture in my head, and I couldn't have said it better.

[Lacey Mosley]

When you guys see it on the Instagram, you're gonna really thank Josie for that. Literally.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Old cigarettes. Like, she just stopped smoking cigarettes. She vapes fully, but she does smoke.

[Josie Toda]

Like, a pack of. But it's not. It's not the cute vapes. It's like the old, ugly, like, box vapes the Republican dads used.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, the ones I used to use in high school. We'll talk about that another time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cook it, Tammy. Like stir fry. I love it. So agents begin to check the addresses of the loans, like, the loan applications. So now they're starting to look like. Okay, Muffin Holdings. I'm sure the names are just starting to get sloppy. Like a real business llc.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

We're not stealing money here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right Dot Org. Like, I'm sure they got very, very sloppy with it. So now they're starting to check the addresses listed on the loan applications for a number of his businesses, and many led back to a current or former residence of his. So they didn't even, like, try to fake where the addresses were. They also began tracing bank records and discovered that Rich and his wife diverted several hundred thousands of dollars towards the purchase of their Tarzana and Glendale homes. Well, duh. On the closing documents for Glendale property, a dead man named Olaf Lay Landsguard was listed as Rich's lawyer.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Well, how is he gonna approach the bench, your honor, if he's fucking dead?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, it's a Casper situation y' all got. Do you feel that breeze? That's my lawyer. You hear that? He object? That's what he said.

[Josie Toda]

He's gonna zoom in because he's ill, right? Ooh.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said hearsay. Y' all see that paper file over there? Yeah. That was him.

[Josie Toda]

That's him.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said that's exhibit A. Yeah. He lived. Yes. Floating across the room. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's my dead lawyer. So Tammy was also seen driving to the house in a BMW registered to yet another relative of Mary's. That was enough information for the FBI. And Rich and Mary were coming back from their Turks and Caicos vacation. They were stopped in Miami by border patrol agents. They were interrogated and jailed. And Mary made the mistake of calling home from jail to instruct family members. Now, listen, you can make phone calls in jail. The phone calls may be monitored, though. Like, you can't get into jail phone and be like, hello? Yeah, see, I did it. Yeah. No, I did it.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

I'm in here because I did it.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But wait, how have they been scamming this long? And this girl got in jail and was like, yeah, so I'm gonna make sure you move that money from this yeah, that money that we stole.

[Josie Toda]

Uh huh.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That money.

[Yasmin Namadi]

But I just wanna hold some space and say they have confidence and I feel like they do. And you know what? I feel like we can acknowledge and it's giving.

[Josie Toda]

The prison industrial complex needs to be shut down anyway.

[Lacey Mosley]

I agree. Like, these people are so talented. They didn't really scam anybody but the government, which is a scam in itself. I don't know. We teach these people how to file applications for business loans and this they business also. Do we think that our sis got a little work done. Her lips look a little fuller.

[Yasmin Namadi]

No, her lips are fuller. There's Botox there. It's a lip flip. But I, I will have to say I think the first, I think the esthetician who did it wasn't a rush, but I'll leave it at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Because it was just giving like there's a little lip and I listen. I like a nip and I like a little tuck. This is not a surgery shave at all. I be getting my little bow ties. We love it. No, I hear it.

[Yasmin Namadi]

But.

[Lacey Mosley]

But like she just looks a little different. Like she's starting to look like all the California girls in this photo. Like that's what she was going for.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I think, I think she's right to start her influencer career is what I'm getting.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. If she had been out of jail a little bit longer, she definitely would have been selling flat tummy tea.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Oh yeah, she's an airborne. Or airborne, whatever that is, girl. Was it airborne?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Arbonne, Arbonne.

[Josie Toda]

Arbonne.

[Yasmin Namadi]

She would have been an Arbonne girl. I get those messages. Hey, babe, haven't talked to you in a while. I feel like you would love this. I'm like, you say you're calling so you think. You say you think I'm ugly. Even though that's not the thing at all.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do love them hitting you up like, hey, babe. Like they know you. Hey, babe.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, you look so good. But I feel like this, this bloating thing could really help you out. And I'm like, I have ibs, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, babe. We have new ways to feel bad about yourself. Just click the link. 15% off with.

[Yasmin Namadi]

15% off with the code. You're not enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And never will be. That's actually gonna be the code for next month. And never will be.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Never will be. So you have to keep coming back and paying money. I cannot.

[Lacey Mosley]

We have new things to make you less ugly coming out in three weeks. Stay tuned. Literally, literally every beauty company so she's in the jail, right? And Tammy Tam decides to get on the phone. This is her on the phone. Okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

Try to clean the house as much as you can. Everything.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Tammy doesn't care anymore. Tammy, she doesn't care. She has nothing to lose anymore.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, me. It's Tammy. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm in the jail. Can y' all hide all the evidence, though? We not gonna get home in time to hide the evidence. Got a loss.

[Josie Toda]

Got a loss.

[Lacey Mosley]

We got matches.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get that fire started in the backyard for sure. Like, what?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It makes me sad, though. Like, y' all came this far for this. How y' all gonna get caught? Cause you added yourself in the jail.

[Lacey Mosley]

Come on.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were also found carrying credit cards under the names Yulia Zondo and Victoria Kauchko, names that had been on many of the loan applications. Two weeks after their arrest, FBI agents in combat gear raided their Tarzana house. Mary, out on bail, ran from the house, tossed a garbage bag containing $450,000 in cash to the bushes, and abandoned her children as officers yelled, hands up.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I just want to say this picture, I just. That's fucked up.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

They're doing way too much.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I just want to say that's awful. But I just want to say the neighbors. The neighbors in Tarzana are just like, oh, my God, what's going on with them?

[Josie Toda]

I mean, let's talk about the neighbors in Tarzana. It's. It's Armenian families, but it's also like, Jake, Paul and all of his friends. Like, those are the types of people we're running into in Encino, in Tarzana.

[Lacey Mosley]

So we've got, like, someone just making their drip coffee in the morning, and they look over to the next backyard, and it's forming. Also, like, this is way we see. This is how I know we give the LAPD and most police officers way too much, way too much money, bro. Why do y' all look like y' all going in a Desert Storm? My guy, like, these people have me prove it to be violent.

[Josie Toda]

Yeah, it's like 80 degrees outside. Why are we in this outfit? Also, it's like, not. It's.

[Yasmin Namadi]

So why are you holding the car like that? Like, you're literally back.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's also like, what are you guys protecting yourself from? A running white woman with a trash bag of money? Like, and you. Like, as much as she may have scammed, I don't think anything warrants y' all having guns in her kids faces. Like, y' all doing way too much.

[Josie Toda]

Car in the Back like, is that a tank?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I'm like, bro, y' all brought a tank to Encino. This feels excessive.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I feel like this is like. I feel like this is a music video. And I feel like if y' all.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Wanted to dress up, just fucking say that. Cause come on, wait till.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what it really was. They were like, that is what it is. We ain't gotta put on our popo drag in a minute. Y' all wanna have a show? We'll have a popo drag show up at people's house. That's what's giving. Cause, like, what are y' all about to do? What are y' all really about to.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Do with the damn tank?

[Yasmin Namadi]

It's giving a low budgeted Shitty G Eazy music video.

[Josie Toda]

Did they pull up, park, and then get on the car, or did they drive in on the car? Like, that's so embarrassing to, like, park the car and then get out and be like, we're gonna step up and then hold on to it, Josie. Moments are like, I'm embarrassed for them, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, no, get a pic. Get a pic of me riding on. Get a vid of me riding menacingly up this hill. Like. Like, y' all telling me y' all ain't have enough cars, that everybody could just have their own car?

[Josie Toda]

Yeah, right. I'm like, you have all this money. I'm like, they were looking forward to this day.

[Yasmin Namadi]

They were literally kind of. There was a calendar invite.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

They woke up and they were like, I get to. To put on my big boy gear today. Like, they're so embarrassing. And look at them pointing guns at a dog. What. What is a dog?

[Lacey Mosley]

What's a dog gonna do?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Also, look at.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at the little kid.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Do you think he knows what mom and dad are doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you think what.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Tam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tam knows? He just knows.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Like, the little kid just know. He got three houses.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's just right. I cannot imagine waking up and then my house is suddenly call of duty. Like, what. What is going on?

[Yasmin Namadi]

You know, he's the talk of the school, too. And he comes back and he's like, it was just. It was a rough day.

[Josie Toda]

He's not going to school, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

No. And it's like, okay, be a scammer. Please be a scammer. Scam the government because they triflin. But don't leave your kids in the.

[Lacey Mosley]

House with the popo. Yeah. And this is also around the time that they knew that the jig was up. So it's like, while you calling and telling them to clean the house. Like, maybe the kids had to help clean the house. Maybe, like, wake up Tyler from. Tell him to turn off cocomelon. He got documents to shred.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I can't. That's my thing. I'm just like, why do kids in there in the first? There's a lot going on. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So, you know, Tammy runs across the bushes and throws 450k in a bush, you know, and she's running for her life. During the trial, family members turned on each other. Damn, Y' all couldn't stick together. Damn. You hate to see it. Artur, Rich's younger brother, blamed much of the scam on his wife. Wife, Tamara. Tamara was a real estate broker known for calling people idiots who had already named Archer and Rich her co conspirators when she pleaded guilty. So she was out here, everyone was like, they did it. She did it. The fingers are just flying. According to Artur, the scams only begin to run Adam Tamira's side of the house. And that the photos of the fake IDs on his phone were also most likely taken by his wife. So now he's throwing his wife under the bus. It said, till death or the FBI do a us part.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

No, for real. She said, I don't know him. I do not know that man. I'm sorry to this man.

[Josie Toda]

Sorry.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Nothing. I have nothing to say about that. I have no further comments.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mr. Federal Burrow. Mr. Federal Burrow. Is this on? Yeah. I don't know that man. I've never met him. Mr. Federal Burrow. I don't know.

[Josie Toda]

Wouldn't see a thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wouldn't know, please. Obviously, right? So his trucking business was already reportedly devastated by the pandemic. So he asked his wife for help. This is what he's saying.

[Lacey Mosley (Ad Reads)]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

And he said that he asked little questions. He was like, baby, the trucking industry is down bad. It's sad. And then miraculously. So help me out, right? And then miraculously, she found millions of dollars, and he ain't asked no questions. You know how people just be finding millions of dollars, you know?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

The husband, Rich, is telling the popo that she said, oh, baby, I'm gonna take care of this. I got you. And that. He said, okay. And then.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And never asked where millions of dollars were coming.

[Josie Toda]

Coming from.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Okay, so now what's she saying?

[Lacey Mosley]

He trusts his woman. He's a feminist, okay? He listens.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I stand with women. I stand girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Boss.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

He said, I'm gonna let a woman lead. And that's why she could take this jail time.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said.

[Yasmin Namadi]

He said believe women. And that's what he meant.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said, that's what y' all wanted me to do, right? Believe women. That's exactly what I believe.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And that's what I'm doing. And I'm believing. I'm actively believing. And you got too.

[Lacey Mosley]

So who's wrong here? Who's really wrong?

[Yasmin Namadi]

Let's. He's such a. He's such a girl boss kind of is.

[Lacey Mosley]

So on June 25, 2021, a federal judge convicted Rich, Mary, Tammy and Artur of conspiracy to commit bank fraud and to launder money. Four other accomplices were also convicted as told a total of eight people. In this crime, a family stole $18 million in Covid relief funds. So I look, the way that the government handled the COVID relief funds, it's hard for me to be upset, but at the same time, it's like if this money could have gone to people who actually needed it, exactly, that's where.

[Josie Toda]

But that wouldn't have been as fun of a story, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And who's to say they didn't need it? Everybody needs a home. I don't know about three, but see.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

See, I think everybody needs a home, but maybe not three in California. And then also trips and shit. See, I'm all here for scamming the government because they be oppressing and they ain't shit. I'm all here for it, but it's like, it's like y' all got greedy. Okay, like maybe like a hundred thousand to 100,000. I'm gonna keep it a buck.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll live off $100,000, though.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

But you right, I understand that, like, especially in this economy, but it's higher.

[Lacey Mosley]

Josie, I saw your best. Like, I didn't mean like you can't live off a hundred thousand. What am I gonna buy with a hundred thousand dollars?

[Josie Toda]

I know, I was like, I can't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Live off of that, but I.

[Josie Toda]

But I'm like trying to do the math.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I mean, like, you can't make a life just off of that income forever.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

No, and you're so right, like, especially in this economy, we fully on a train into a deep ass recession as we speak. But I'm like, y' all weren't good with the million or two million or three million. Cause I'm gonna keep it a buck. I know people that scammed a little, you know, 2,000, 3,000 of PPP loans.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Josie Toda]

I was like, you said, don't.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, maybe I said too much.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, maybe say who they were. You haven't said anything? Nobody exactly. We never heard it.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. My representative. But anywho, I'm like, y' all did 18 mil. That's brazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, honestly, it's ambitious, and I love ambitious people, so. Though prosecution urged the judge to put and this is wrapping the story up, Though the prosecutors urged the judge to put Rich in jail, as soon as the trial ended, both he and his wife were allowed to stay free on bail. Two months later, Rich and Mary ripped off their ankle monitors and ran. Duh, I'mma hit the race. Where to? Montenegro.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, my God.

[Josie Toda]

That's where Beyonce and Jay Z live.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, oh, well, then they're doing great. If they're out there with my. With their queen, not my queen, not getting their soul broke, then I'm here for it. So their families initially said that they were abducted. By who? Aliens? What is this? Nope. They were sentenced in absentia. 17 years in prison for Rich and six years for Mary, as they are escaped to a European paradise. So they basically sentenced them even though they were on the lam and were like, we out. So they were like, well, when you come back, you got charges.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And they're like, okay, okay, we don't care.

[Lacey Mosley]

Their final destination was a luxury port town in Montenegro called Teyvat. They travel using Mexican passports and fake names like Robert, Nico De Leon. That sounds like a fake name. It's too many names. And Natalie, Rosa Perez, Garcia. Okay.

[Josie Toda]

Oh, God.

[Lacey Mosley]

They said, what's the most Mexican sounded name that I was gonna say?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Why am I triggered? Because I fully am a girl whose name is Alicia. Like, now are they. Are they gonna be like, bitch, that's a made up name. Like, no, I promise my mama thought it was smart to give me all these names.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, you would be fine. So upon their arrival, the couples rented an apartment in the most exclusive neighborhood in the city, while their teenage children, aged 14, 15, and 16, sat abandoned at home in America.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That is insane.

[Yasmin Namadi]

You're.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

So they didn't give a shit. They didn't give a shit about them kids.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe the kids had bad vibes, you know? You know what?

[Yasmin Namadi]

If the kids have bad vibes, that's completely valid.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Did their fugitive parents consider like, oh, do we take our children with us to be fugitives around the world? Or were they like, no problem, leave them? That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so this town knows everybody. They know Rich, they know Mary. So they didn't really blend in. Right? And. And they Just continued to make their lavish spinning. This is Rich and Mary. They had Range Rovers, a BMW ship from Los Angeles with California plates left on it, as well as their family dog. They took the dog and left the kids.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Wow.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And I'm sure they were telling themselves like, you know what, we're doing this for them.

[Josie Toda]

This is for the kids, right?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Go, go fund me for those kids therapy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because they were like, this way they don't have to walk the dog because we're. We're taking the dog as a responsibility.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

All the traveling. Yeah, all the traveling is just gonna be so hard on them. So we should do all the, like, luxury, five star restaurant shit by ourselves.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they're balling out. Meanwhile, Tammy's and Cali getting 10 years in prison because she pleaded guilty to three felonies. Though the prosecutor once again warned the judge that she was a flight risk with her safe haven waiting in Europe, he let her go free on bail. Who does this judge? They paid this judge off. The day she was supposed to return to jail. She called her probation officer saying she. She was on her way and took off. So she called her probation officer and was like, yeah, five minutes around the corner. You know where that red light is? Yeah, I'm there. I'm about to be right at the jail. Meanwhile, she was lax.

[Yasmin Namadi]

She's in LAX right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

You hear planes like, meow landing.

[Yasmin Namadi]

She's like, I'm right next to the courthouse, babe. Like, don't you even worry for a sec. And then, like, United's like, calling. We're waiting for passenger.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Blah, blah, blah. Gotta go, babe.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, that's just the bathroom line now. You know, with COVID they got restrictions, that's all. I'll see you on the set. Where you at? By the gavel. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna be there. Two minutes.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That's crazy.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Oh, you can't reach me for 12 hours. No, that's. I have a new phone. Like, it's so random.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she hopped on a plane with a British passport and she's Isabella Angela Admos. And left behind her two teenage girls and went on her way to Montenegro. They all left their kids behind. This is terrible.

[Josie Toda]

Jesus.

[Lacey Mosley]

So getting caught again. Wrapping this up in la, the FBI was. Was scrambling to figure out where Rich and Mary had gone. Embarrassing. You let them all. How you gonna come to their house?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Like, embarrassing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like you're disarming a bomb and. And fighting, like, you know, a group of 10,000 and then when.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And not even catch them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, then you let them out. Of jail. Like, oh, right this way. No. Y' all want some water on the way out? What? So they offered $20,000 as a reward through Interpol. So now they're international criminals for the information on their location and. And raided their Encino house where Rich's mother was staying. Damn. Rich's mom just trying to have a retirement, and now they getting raided again. I know them neighbors are tired. They're like, another raid again.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It's like clockwork. They know exactly when it's gonna come. It's like the time of the month. Oh, it's the time of the raid.

[Lacey Mosley]

The HOA is like, guys, we really have to talk about these raids that keep happening. No, no, we'll get to the stop sites, Susan. We'll get to the stop sign. But the raids are more.

[Josie Toda]

The raids.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

There's, like, a full army that shows.

[Lacey Mosley]

Up once a month.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yeah, that's insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just getting to be a bit of a nuisance. And, you know, I filed noise complaints, and nothing's really happening. But again, so Rich fucked up. And this led to their second arrest. Jesse Palmerton, the FBI agent in charge of both the fraud case and the fugitive hunt, discovered that someone located in Montenegro tried to access one of Rich's bank accounts. Rich, now you know you got to move all the money. What was you doing? You can't be at an ATM with. With stolen cash. What's going on?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

We've all watched a movie, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You at bank of America, like, let me get out. 200. No. Rich. Using that information, he was able to instruct local police to track down the residents of Doan and Perez Garcia and initiated the arrest. Police arrived at their villa, asked for Rich's residency papers. He told them he'd be right back. And while the cops waited, he ran out the back door. Why did the police at least keep believing them? I don't have this privilege as a black person. I can't tell the black people, the cops. I'll be right back.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Thank you so much for saying it, because I was like, if these people were black, what?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Like, it's because they're white. They just kept on being like, yeah, there's the door. We believe y'.

[Lacey Mosley]

All.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Okay, cool.

[Josie Toda]

I'm just so confused. Why did they pull up Call of Duty Black Ops, and they didn't keep them in prison from that? Like, how do you get away from that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, when you pull up to these people's house again, you're literally going to let them be like, oh, hold on. Y' all wait right here on the porch. I'll be right back. Y' all want some lemonade? Y' all want. And then you just hear, like, a car peeling off in the back.

[Josie Toda]

Privilege at its fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep. And listen, if you're white and you have this privilege and you a scammer, I'm not gonna tell you not to use it if it's advantageous. Right.

[Josie Toda]

I mean, you honestly should. If you. If they didn't say they'll be right back, we'd be judging them. We'd be like, why didn't you use your white privilege?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's the politeness for me.

[Josie Toda]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll be right back, Jade. Oh, yeah. Do you mind.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Do you mind if I just, like, go take a wee real fast? Thank you so much for that.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, y' all can sit y' all AKs down right there. Yeah, sit up in my umbrella on hold. Hold them. I'll be right. I'll be right back.

[Josie Toda]

They're like, put them with mine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Literally, Josie. So hours later, police learned that Rich had used his British passport to check into a nearby hotel, where he was seen walking out with a female companion. Not you getting bitches while you are on the run, sir. You need to be running all at once. You just add another hotel. Chilling at the hotel bar. Sir, you are wanted.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Not. You are wanted, please. An international criminal, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

A whole international criminal just at the lobby, like, yeah, let me get a 7 and 7. No, don't you go to jail.

[Josie Toda]

So when the poor Italian hooker is like, it didn't ask to be a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Part of this, Right? Literally, she's in the hotel room just trying to get her coins. So when the two returned to the room around 2:00am okay, so we know it's 2:00am Police arrested him. The woman turned out to be. Damn it. All three were prosecuted in Montenegro for using forged documents to enter the country. Rich has requested a political asylum and the currently waiting extradition back to the US So they're still over there. He and Mary spent almost six months on an undercover vacation in Tevat. And since their arrest, they spent almost twice as long in Spurs, Montenegro's largest prison. So now their vacation is in jail.

[Josie Toda]

Well, Montenegro is the size of, like, a Westfield Mall, so their largest prison is, like, probably like a Trader Joe's.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Okay, okay.

[Josie Toda]

All right. It's like a boutique, right? It's also beautiful in prison.

[Yasmin Namadi]

I'm just digesting this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? You know, it's so beautiful outside.

[Josie Toda]

Unless you're giving Montenegro a Latina accent.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Oh, my gosh it's the latinafication of everything. This couple does not give a fuck.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're scammers. They left their kids. When you leave all your kids, we're like, hey, y', all, let's leave all of our kids. And everybody's like, yeah, that sounds like a plan. Like, you're not dealing with good people. Where are the kids? Where are the kids now?

[Josie Toda]

I don't know. End of the story for the kids. No, they went out, hopefully with another.

[Lacey Mosley]

Some other relatives who didn't end up in jail or somewhere safe, but the kids were just left behind.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

God bless them kids. But it's like, I. I know that scamming be crazy, but this is a different level. Not only did they leave them kids, but every time they got in trouble, they pointed the finger to the people being like, it was your fault that y' all let us get away with this, which is crazy.

[Josie Toda]

I mean, that's like gay keep girl boss.

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl boss.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

That's like gay keep girl boss.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It is.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

They said, oh, my gosh, you let us take all that money from taxes. Why'd you do that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Why'd you.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

The government also.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is my girl boss. My. My girl who did it. Exactly.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And then with all the businesses, they were like, why didn't you look into it more? Which is crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that for them. I love that for them. I don't love them leaving their kids, but I love that for them.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

I can't stand that they left their kids, But I do kind of love the UNO reverse card that they pulled. And they are immigrants, so they really came to this country and said, how can we run them dry? And they did that. So I kind of see them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Proud of them. Like, proud of them.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not their parenting skills. Those are bad. But, guys, let's get into the saddest part of the show, the end, where I'm gonna have to let everybody go. But before we do, we're talking scammer of the week. This is where we highlight one charlotted, maybe two who are worthy of a our praise. Maybe not. We'll see. Today we're talking about the FW and the I, who is investigating after a load of jewelry and gems was stolen from a Brinks truck stop along the i5. The truck was parked at the back of the Labak California Flying Jays. I don't know where that is, but it's in California late at night when thieves broke in, stole the goods around 2am this looks hella rural. This looks like a place I would not want to be at night. This is like a gas station where there's always one light that never works all the way. It's just buzzing like meh.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yup, yup, yup.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Like bad things happen. And there's the Denny's. Oh yeah, ratchetry and I love Denny's.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's only one attendant and they are missing a couple teeth. And they look at you the whole time you're in the store. Hey, you don't look like you from around these parts. Please, please.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

And why does that look like a church?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean that's the style in this part of California. So don't. It's scary. It is though. Insurance estimates the load was worth $10 million. A federal law enforcement source and some associated with the International Gym and Jewelry show said that the total appears to be closer to $100 million. And the thieves had about a 27 minute window to bypass the tractor trailer's locking mechanism and clear out the storage containers full of gems. It's giving oceans 11 very much. Yeah. George, is that you? George Clooney, Julia Roberts, please. They were like, we learned so much in the movie that we just started doing it in real life. Yeah, that's what I want for them. Investigators say though, there was no outward sign that the truck had carried and there was no reason that it should have attracted any attention. The lock was not difficult to crack. So you know, they thought if they kept the truck low key, like, you know, maybe put like some napkins on it and whatnot, nobody was going to be looking into it. But somebody broke into it very easily. Arnold Duke, the president of International Gym and Jewelry show displayed the item saying we're looking for more than 100 million documents lost. This was absolutely a huge crime. One of the largest jewelry heist ever. Investigators say photos were taken of the thieves, but little information is available. And it's still a mystery as to where they had prior knowledge of the load, the theft or not. Yes. Give it inside job. Cuz like how did they know to go to this rinky dink gas station.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

With no cameras or like a. Or like a lot of research. Like I'm going to be honest, I love like a little crime movie and all the robbery movies. I'm like maybe they just did their homework. And they pulled up and they said, right, it's giving.

[Lacey Mosley]

We look through your trash.

[Yasmin Namadi]

It's giving. They did their research, they did the homework assignment and they knew exactly what.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were walking into and understood it. And understood the 27 minute assignment.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Exactly.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Understood the assignment. See like, haven't we all looked at a Brinks truck? Like, haven't we all looked at one of them trucks a little closer?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like we all have.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Cause I find them fascinating. I know I was like, in New York as a little girl, you would always see those trucks and you would see, like, armed men and you would just look at them for a long time. So I'm like, I kind of respect it. Like a damn thing. Yeah. You're like, mm, what's in there?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Why you need so much protecting, Right? You know what I mean? And it's always like, oh, you can't break them. Like, they're super secure. Well, they said we broke it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ho.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

So who did it?

[Lacey Mosley]

They did, right? They said, you thought. You thought. Indeed. And I don't mind this because jewels are just things that are stolen from, you know, poor people in other countries. Lady way, so. And they're not even precious. There's so many jewels. They just release them in small amounts to increase the value. So, literally, is this really $100 million or is it just some rocks?

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

You know, like, it's some blood diamonds. And I'm sorry that Kathy from this random ass rural town can't have her jewel. Like, I'm gonna be honest. I don't really care. Like, I'm not gonna be out here stealing stuff, okay? Like, don't come for me feds. But I don't care. I just don't care. So enjoy yourself.

[Lacey Mosley]

I hope they get away with it. I hope they get away with it and, you know, have some nice bling blings and some. That's where I'm at.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Lacey. Low key, same girl. But I just hope that they're not dumb. Like, please don't post this to the gram, right? Please.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't want to see no photos on your Instagram story with diamonds up.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

To your ear, like, big bangs. You know how we do. Like, that's like, please don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't do that. Well, I thought a broke bitch was calling. It's just you with several diamonds up to your ear. No, no, keep it to yourself. Please don't. Okay? Don't. Lil Uzi verted. Don't put it in the middle of your forehead. We don't need to know. We don't want to know. But, guys, that brings us to the end of a very fun episode. We always ask on this episode, where would you ladies like to be found? So, socials, podcasts, anything you want to plug?

[Josie Toda]

I was like, if I was dead. I literally thought you were on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, My God. Miranda Cosgrove did the same thing. She was like, oh, if we died, Nathan was like, in the ditch. No, no, please.

[Josie Toda]

I'm found in a, like, Louis Vuitton store.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Not the Louis Vuitton store.

[Josie Toda]

No, it's like the palace of the Versailles.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was just so.

[Yasmin Namadi]

So at the Club Mommy special with them.

[Lacey Mosley]

You want to be found with Tammy?

[Josie Toda]

Where do you want to be found? I mean, we. We have our podcast coming out on August 11th on Crooked Media. You can listen to it anywhere. You get your podcast where we just have a good old time with each other. And you could also catch us on Instagram. Mine is Osietota.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Mine is Lycia L Y C I A Del Sol.

[Yasmin Namadi]

And mine is. I haven't changed it since 7th grade. Childish Yasmino on Instagram. I can't change it. And if you want to get a little three Trio moment, you can follow us airweesay on Instagram.

[Josie Toda]

So true. And if you DM the account and send money, we will send feet pics.

[Yasmin Namadi]

Yeah, for sure.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Guys, as always, snitch on your friends, family, enemies. Everyone at scam got a spotmail.com. just make sure the Scam is retired so we don't fuck up your bag. If you want to see all the photos that we were looking at today, Scam got a spot on Instagram. I'll be posting them. I'm getting better about doing it on time, y', all, but no promises, okay? Y' all know I got time disease. Okay? I. I can't tell time, and I don't know how much of it I need to achieve tasks. Oh, no, no, no. Time, time. It's a new one, Please. I'm dropping a new one for the girls. You'll see commercials for it. Don't you worry. And it'll have lots of side effects when we come out with the time disease drug.

[Alicia Pascual Pena]

It's okay. Cause I think I have it, too.

[Josie Toda]

It's fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

I need help sweeping the communities. And if you want to follow me and my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. I think that's all I can announce right now. So, congregation, y' all stay scamming and leave your kids, but leave them with something they can stream the show with. Okay? Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz, and researched by Kalen Brandt Stay Scheming.

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[Lacey Mosley]

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