Fraud Friday: Ray – Con and the Scamdashians w/ Eric Eddings

Summary

Scam Goddess – Fraud Friday: Ray-Con and the Scamdashians w/ Eric Eddings

Release Date: February 20, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Eric Eddings

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Scam Goddess dives deep into the world of scams both large and small, blending personal scam encounters, hot-off-the-press fraud stories, and an iconic pop-culture scam breakdown. Laci Mosley is joined by podcaster/journalist Eric Eddings for a funny, sharp-witted exploration of everyday grifts, legal scams, and a historic deep dive into Ray J, Kim Kardashian, and the birth of the Kardashian media empire. The episode also highlights education-adjacent scams and features a memorable scammer-of-the-week.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Scam Confessions and Office Supply Shenanigans

[02:49–07:24]

• Laci and Eric open by joking about office supply "liberation," clever ways people even the scales against capitalism.
  • “I think the biggest scam I might have pulled off is just consistently stealing, like, office supplies or stuff like that from, like, my office.” — Eric [03:05]
• Both discuss the ethics and ubiquity of minor workplace theft, and why it feels justified under capitalism.

Notable Quote:
Laci: “It’s what you make it, and it’s what you take it. Okay?” [03:57]

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2. Real Estate Scams – “The Beautiful Legal Scam”

[06:15–07:41]

• Eric, a former real estate worker, discusses rental broker fees in NYC, calling them “a beautiful legal scam.”
  • “You have to pay me 15% of the year's rent for showing you this apartment — that's a beautiful legal scam. You know, the legal scam that is capitalism.” — Eric [06:26]
• They joke about the necessity of “sprinkle evil” to survive economically.

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3. Bureaucratic “Scamonomics” and Community Aid

[07:41–11:15]

• The DMV and government bureaucracy are dissected as systemic scams, with the duo riffing on how these systems extract money with little customization or service.
• Airline upcharges (specifically Spirit) are mocked as “nickel-and-dime” frauds.
  • “There’s a $15 fee to be sure that the plane is gonna land. $20 if you wanna know what time, right?” — Eric [10:51]

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4. What’s Hot In Fraud: Election Day Bribes on the Streets of Atlanta

[15:56–30:06]

• The popular “What’s Hot in Fraud” segment unveils a wild listener story:
  • Atlanta “Percy” shares a tale of a woman being solicited for her vote during a Senate runoff — a man offering $100 cash if she said she’d vote for Herschel Walker.
  • The scam turns murkier when speculation arises that collecting IDs potentially enables home burglary rather than just “buying votes.”
  • “She said she thinks he was asking for IDs to check up on people who actually voted for Herschel Walker after taking his money. But someone brought up the possibility…the cash was probably counterfeit and he wanted…people’s addresses and case their houses for robbery.” — Letter from Percy [33:11]
• Discussion turns to broader voter fraud/suppression tactics in the South, with gerrymandering and malfunctioning voting machines as recurring headaches.
  • “That’s voter fraud. How y’ all gonna bring the machine and be like, oh, damn…anybody got a voting booth charger?” — Laci [31:01]

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5. Historic Hoodwink: Ray J, Kim Kardashian, and The Rise of the Scamdashians

[40:31–74:41]

a. Enter “The Scamdashians”

• Ray J’s Instagram Tell-All: Explosive new claims that the Kardashian-Jenner family fabricated the sex tape “leak” for profit, and Kris Jenner orchestrated the deal.
  • “Ray J claims that the Kardashian Jenner version of events is actually far from the truth.” — Laci [40:47]
• Ray J’s receipts: He holds up screenshots, contracts, and recounts meetings with Kanye West for the “unseen” tape hard drive (actually innocuous footage).

b. Business Acumen vs. Exploitation

• Kris Jenner is credited with shrewd management, but questions swirl over ethical boundaries.
• Both Ray J and Kim reportedly continue to profit, with $360,000/year post-release, but Ray J claims character assassination by the Kardashians.
  • “Chris built all of that from the ground up. And she did a…monetarily wise, she did an excellent job.” — Laci [59:48]

c. The Brandy Credit Card Scandal (“Brandi and Ray J: The Original Investors”)

• Kim Kardashian, as Brandy’s assistant, allegedly misused Brandy’s family’s Amex card for over $120,000 — funding Dash and Smoove stores.
  • “She accused Kim of making purchases in 2006 and 2007, as well as giving the card to her siblings. Running it up on these hardworking black people.” — Laci [64:40]
• Lawsuit was settled out of court, but the incident hints at a history of “investment fraud” benefiting the Kardashian empire.

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6. Cultural Impact, Scammer Sympathy, and Mess

• The hosts dissect the “messy” entanglement between Ray J, Kim, Brandy, and their families. They both bemoan Ray J’s current affiliations (e.g., hinting at ties to Kanye/Candace Owens) and wish he’d “pulled back.”
• “Sonya taught you better than this. Stop embarrassing your mama like this!” — Laci [77:13]

Memorable Moment:
Ray J presenting his defense live on Instagram, in gloves, is cited as hilarious “good mess.” [72:01]

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7. Scammer of the Week: Principal Onetha Swinton

[78:14–85:51]

• Highlight on a NYC principal convicted of car insurance fraud and embezzling school funds, who is promoted (and gets a raise!) post-scandal.
  • “She was given a sweetheart deal to stay on, despite criminal findings that she lost 600 department of education printers…printers, laptops, and computers.” — Laci [79:29]
• The hosts are (jokingly) in awe at Swinton’s resilience and side hustle (her OB Design fashion line).
  • “I stan her. She’s improving education. I need more details. Right now, what you’ve given me, this feels like…it’s giving good scam.” — Eric [85:41]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “It’s what you make it, and it’s what you take it. Okay?” — Laci [03:57]
• “That’s a beautiful legal scam. You know, the legal scam that is capitalism.” — Eric [06:26]
• “There’s a $15 fee to be sure that the plane is gonna land. $20 if you wanna know what time, right?” — Eric [10:51]
• “How y’ all gonna bring the machine and be like…anyone got a voting booth charger?” — Laci [31:01]
• “Ray J claims...Kris Jenner was the actual orchestrator…not only of the sex tape’s leak, but it’s filming, and that she flipped the narrative.” — Laci [55:09]
• “Brandi, Ray J is Brandi’s brother always.” — Laci [62:41]
• “She invested on the lick. They weren’t just buying shoes and purses…they embezzled.” — Laci [66:43]
• “Sonya taught you better than this. Stop embarrassing your mama like this!” — Laci [77:13]
• “She must have been a good principal.” — Laci [80:19]
• “She’s improving education. I need more details…Right now, what you’ve given me, this feels like…it’s giving good scam.” — Eric [85:41]

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Segment Timestamps for Easy Navigation

• Opening + Scam Confessions: 02:49–07:24
• Real Estate Scams/Cultural Capitalism: 06:15–07:41
• Bureaucracy & Airline “Fraudonomics”: 07:41–11:15
• What’s Hot in Fraud (Election Bribe/ID Scam): 15:56–30:06
• Ray J, Kim, and the Scamdashians (Historic Hoodwink): 40:31–74:41
  • Ray J’s Instagram Event: 41:34–53:07
  • Brandy Credit Card Fraud: 62:15–68:43
• Scammer of the Week: Onetha Swinton: 78:14–85:51

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode maintains Scam Goddess’s trademark blend: sharp pop culture critique, infectious banter, and biting humor (“good mess”). Both host and guest frequently bust out into playful roasting, punchy one-liners, and pop-referential in-jokes, all while drawing real attention to the context of systemic fraud, scammy institutions, and the blurred lines between hustle, legality, and outright grift.

Final Call to Action:
Snitch on scams (retired please!), follow the pod, and—as always—“Keep investing with other people’s money, even when they don’t know. Now that you say it, it sounds like a Ponzi scheme.” — [86:43]
Laci & Eric out: Stay scheming!

Transcript

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault.

That's right.

Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall.

En this episode from behind the Paywall.

And as always, stay Scheming.

Goddess. What's poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Lacy Mosley. And we're back for another Instagram installment of Scam God. Is the podcast all about robbery, fraud

and those who practice it?

Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see. And as always, come on, parasocial persons out there. I'm very. What?

Yes.

Excited, thrilled, elated for today's guest. Okay.

He is a journalist, a producer, a podcast host.

He's the former co host of the two beloved podcasts for colored nerds and on Stitcher and the nod on Gimlet. Now he is the director of the lifestyle podcasting@siriusxm. Come on. Crossover. We love the business.

Crossover.

Yes. Congregation, please welcome Eric Eddings to the show. Hello, Eric.

[Eric Eddings]

Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for having me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm so glad you're here. I love that name. My cousin's name is Eric.

[Eric Eddings]

Ah, nice. Good job.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Spelled the same way.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah. That's the right way, you mean?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, I'm gonna go with that because it's got an I in it. My name is spelled with an I. It's L, a C, I, which no one spells it that way, but it is the right way. They just all wrong.

[Eric Eddings]

There you go. You gotta correct the narrat know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. Or change the narrative. Okay.

[Eric Eddings]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's whatever we. Life is what we make it. That's one of my favorite scam quotes because I think people thought it was, like, about having a good attitude, when really I think it's just like making stuff up.

[Eric Eddings]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Life is what you make it.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What are rules to yourself and to other people?

[Eric Eddings]

Choose what you want.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. Everything made up. So, Eric, I have to ask you, we always ask on the show, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them?

Do you hate them?

Have you run a scam that's outside the statute of limitations? It can literally be anything.

[Eric Eddings]

If I'm being honest, most people who know me would say, like, my relationship to scams is probably. Probably the one getting scammed. I haven't been scammed very often. I just am not. Like, I've never been the person who's, like, particularly good at lying. I think the biggest scam I might have pulled off is, like, just consistently stealing, like, office supplies or stuff like that from, like, my office.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, the basics, as we all should. That's called tip.

[Eric Eddings]

You know, capitalism is coming for everybody, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, you roll a Xerox machine out of the office, and what about it Exactly. You xeroxing at home for the job. I don't understand why y' all are upset.

[Eric Eddings]

It's all work, you know, am I going too big?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Chairs, conference tables.

[Eric Eddings]

Well, I think in general, you want to try to avoid things where you might need help getting it through a door. But outside of that, you know, go off. Hey, I think start with toilet paper. Sky's the limit. Life is what you make it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, it is. It's what you make it, and it's what you take it. Okay? And toilet paper is a great start. Like, I definitely used to take the shitty ass one ply toilet paper from all of my jobs because I was like, I'm not.

[Eric Eddings]

They don't miss it. You know, they're like, nobody's counting. Nobody's like, man, somebody was really, like, wiping their asses much.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

One of y' all got a real clean booty hole. Cause we down four rolls.

[Eric Eddings]

What happened exactly? Nah. But nobody's gonna miss it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. And if they do, they are really a hater if you count TP roles as your job. Like, I'm gonna need you to find a hobby, you know?

[Eric Eddings]

Well, you know, I respect operations people, I will say, but I just think, you know, there's. There's other points in the supply chain that are probably in critical need of some attention right now than how much. Scott. Toilet paper. Most offices are using.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. If you get in, Scott. Cause sometimes you get in, like, Sodexo or whatever. Oh, it'd be hard. It'd be rough, like sandpaper. So you say you're More of a mark. Listen, I'm a mark and a scammer. I'm on both sides, I do both, I get done by both. But I'm curious, like, what. Do you remember any times where you got scammed or something scammy happened and you acquiesced?

[Eric Eddings]

Well, not so much. I mean, for what's where. I generally do try to stay out of trouble, you know, if you try to, if you live on one side of things, you don't get scammed. You just, you just don't get got

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

like that, wow, the judgment. I be living on the side of

the law and I get scammed.

Our listeners be living on the side of the law sometimes.

[Eric Eddings]

Well, I don't know, I mean, I think, look, hosting a show like this, I would think that you avoid most of the good scams. I on the other hand, I just try to keep my ear to the streets and my nose a little bit clean. I think like the closest to scamming I have been as a person who's gotten scammed is probably like real estate scams. I like back when I first, you know, you first move to New York, you see a good apartment listing, it's like, it's crazy cheap. You know, it's like two bedroom, you know, it's $500 a month. And I'm like, wow, this was made for me. They finally, finally got an apartment that I could afford.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. For my taste and for my budget.

[Eric Eddings]

Exactly, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. And don't you think it's weird in New York, I get it if you're like buying an apartment because that's a thing in New York. But I've never understood like when I lived in New York, we had a real estate agent for just like an apartment building. Like why, why are you getting a cut of that?

[Eric Eddings]

Actually if I can re evaluate my relationship scam. So I actually worked in real estate and just to be straight up, a lot of real estate brokers, I was not a scammer real estate broker personally.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Most are.

[Eric Eddings]

Most are. And for what it's worth, the actual like the broker relationship for renting does not make sense. It does. Like if for sales, sure, there's a lot of paperwork, there's a lot of stuff you got to do. But renting is really easy 99% of the time, unless it's like a co op. And so the whole thing of you have to pay me 15% of the year's rent for showing you this apartment is, that's a beautiful legal scam. You know, the legal Scam, that is capitalism. So I think maybe I am a scammer. So that's the closest I have been. But although I very much reject landlord politics today, it was a long time ago.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Same. Listen, you were in. We are all cogs in the wheel of capitalism. We're all doing what we have to do, you know, doing just as, hopefully just as little evil as we can to. To stay alive and have food and lights and whatnot. You know what I mean? Like, I try not to do big evil, but it's like a little tiny little bit like a little sprinkle evil

[Eric Eddings]

that puts food on the table.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Usually.

[Eric Eddings]

Usually can be like a little more excuse. Typically.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Absolutely. Because otherwise, how are you going to survive here? It's all set up to operate this way. So if you don't like what, you want to live off the land, they're not going to get you. None of that. They're not giving out land. I don't know how we made that up.

[Eric Eddings]

We need more community aid, too. Just while, you know, while we getting there in this world, we need to work together a little bit more. If we add a pool, I can afford that $500 apartment that was actually like $12,000.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And what was supposed to be. Was government, was supposed to be our community aid. And then that just became the biggest grift of all. They just take our money. Don't tell us what they doing with it. Ask for more randomly. Like, what are we supposed to do?

[Eric Eddings]

Stand in line all day so y' all can lose?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You also get in this line to give us your money. Yeah, take a number.

[Eric Eddings]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And wait to give us money, AKA the dmv. Okay. It's like a deli, but you don't get no meats at the end, no sandwiches, nothing. You just give them money and that's it. They're like, okay, now we won't have the police harass you as much.

[Eric Eddings]

And you can't customize it. At least at the deli, you can say, put me. Give me some cheese. Let me get a little extra. No, put. No put a little extra. Thank you. Thank you. A little more. Thank you. You can't do that to DMV.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The DMV's like, this is what you get, bitch. And you better like, okay, you don't like your picture.

[Eric Eddings]

Oh, it's fine. Next year, next time it look like you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Goodbye. Next. Yeah, no, there's no custom. Although I will say I did retake a DMV picture once because I went in there very Much like America's Next Top Model. And I was like, let me see the frame. Let me. Okay, let me get two more frames.

[Eric Eddings]

They just don't even tolerate me like that. I don't. I, like, open my mouth to ask for more, and they're just like, nah, baby, don't. Don't do it. It's usually some, like, older woman who's just like, nah, you tried it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I had a good relationship with this one lady at the dmv. She was an older woman, and by the time I got my car registered, she had retired. Like, I was seeing her every single time coming in with my paperwork, and I was like, all right, Ms. Gertrude. Like, this is what I got this week. Is this good? And she was, baby, now I told you, you've got to fill out this form and you need to print this one out. And where's the insurance form I told you about? And I was like, okay, Ms. Gertie, can you just go ahead and extend my operating permit? Just give me. Hit me with a couple more months. I'm gonna get it to you, I swear. And then one time I came in, I was like, I finally got all the paperwork. And they were like, she has retired. She's gone.

[Eric Eddings]

And that makes me sad because I feel like we need more DMV people like Ms. Gertrude. You know, we need the people who care. She's like, look, I clock out at 5:00 either way, so I could give you the. You know what I'm saying? Like, the info, the real real to be able to get your paperwork done. But everybody else nowadays, they just like, do you have it? I'm like, well, what is it?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, then get. Then there's the door, bitch. And don't let it hit you on the way out. That's a fee.

[Eric Eddings]

Wrong form. You know, I'm just like, come on now. Life is too hard.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But I get it when you work in a bureaucracy, especially one where nobody's ever happy. Like, I always think of postal workers, people who work at the dmv. Like, there's certain jobs where, you know, if you work for Spirit. Frontier Airlines, I heard, just turned off their customer service number. They said, don't call us no more. Like, y' all know what it is. Y' all know what we doing over here.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah, and I think they about to get bought. Spirit's about to get bought, too, so they really don't care right now. They're in the. Like, they've basically just quit their job and haven't started the new job. So they just like, yo, it's quiet for you, fam. All the tickets. Just go ahead. Just get on the plane if you get there. That is great. See you next time. See you when I'm owned by JetBlue.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. See us then. Okay. We still gonna be ass, but we will be a little less ass. Just maybe, like, one cheek also. I love the Spirit. Made no guarantees. They were like, look, the plane is gonna land. Like, that was the sales pitch.

[Eric Eddings]

It's like, there's a 15 fee to be sure that the plane is gonna land. $20 if you wanna know what time, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What time you trying to get there? Oh, you got plans for, like, when you want to get there? No, we just say we're gonna get there. You physically there. Okay. Now, when you get off the tarmac. That ain't none of our business.

[Eric Eddings]

What? Ain't got nothing to do with that. They like, you know, hey, luggage. You wanted that. You wanted to keep it. Oh, sorry. My bad, fam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Nobody told you to just fly with everything on your body, on your person, because that's what we doing over here.

[Eric Eddings]

That's why everybody got the new fancy carry ons. You know what I'm saying?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They just.

[Eric Eddings]

They just take the shit off the plane. I didn't realize y' all was really using this. Like, it's wild out here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, I do. I love a carry on. I barely check a bag because especially during Robin season, which is Christmas time, your shit is very liable to get lost. And by lost, I mean it falls into somebody's backseat of their car.

[Eric Eddings]

Well, the thing about it is, I feel like nowadays I haven't known somebody who had their luggage legit, like, whole stolen. A lot of people have stuff taken out because, you know, they got, like. Even with the locks, the, like, the security, they have. They have keys.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. For official government business. TSA government business. Heavy air quotes, but no.

[Eric Eddings]

So I think they, like, the new move is just, like, reaching in like, okay, let's open this up. You know, everybody's waiting on the tarmac. Let's see what we got. And then, you know, everything might not get there.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Some of it may not make it to your final destination. Things may have shifted in flight from your bag to my purse.

[Eric Eddings]

You didn't want these. Jordan 1.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, you didn't need these. They were my size. That was a blessing from God. Thank you for being a vessel.

[Eric Eddings]

Thank you for flying Spirit. Let me stop Spirit. I hope you're not an advertiser.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, not at the moment. But listen, if Y', all, y' all better not act like y' all heard this. If y' all hear me in between

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[Eric Eddings]

flight like nothing happened? It's like, oh, hi, guys. I'm so happy to be here today.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love y'. All. Caution tape looking airline. I love it here. You know, you giving the girls what they want.

[Eric Eddings]

It's like I'm frugal myself, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Hey, and they're not even frugal. They nickel and dime you. But that's a whole nother story for a whole nother time. And right now, we're going to take a whole ad break for some non scam advertisements. And we'll be right back with what's hot and fraud scams.

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[Eric Eddings]

I like good like old people names. So I'm gonna go with like Percy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Percy, yes.

Love a Percy. That reminds me of Percy Ellis, which used to have black fathers in a chokehold.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes. Also, you know Master P is Percy too, right? Percy Miller.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's Percy Miller.

[Eric Eddings]

So there you go, you know a long line of good Percy's. Can't go wrong.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bring Percy back. If you got a baby right now, name him Percy.

[Eric Eddings]

Hey, you cannot go wrong. They're gonna be very easy to find through a Google.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He or she Percy or them. They will all be like high on Google. I think that they'll get the best like interview situations because people like Percy, oh, we have to bring Percy. And they sound like a hard worker. Definitely know how to grill.

[Eric Eddings]

It's been too long. You can't quite tell the color nowadays. You know, it could be Southern. It could be old southern white. It could be just somebody who, like, is trying to be hipster about it. You never know. It's a mystery.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And Percy sounds like the type of person that their mantra is, if you're early, you're on time.

[Eric Eddings]

Exactly. Give that man a raise or give that person a raise.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. Except for that's not. That's not my mantra. Y' all know I got time disease. I be late with everything. I'm so sorry. It's not something I can control. And I think that people should stop stigmatizing it. Okay.

[Eric Eddings]

I'm definitely an on time friend. So I'm probably your biggest enemy at the. At the brunch table.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow.

[Eric Eddings]

If we gonna be there, somebody, one, somebody's always got. I'm always a person. This is how, you know, I beat a mark sometimes. Cause somebody's gotta be there to accept the brunch reservation and be like. And start telling the lies. They. They're right around the corner.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Stop telling the lies.

[Eric Eddings]

They are parking. They are right around the corner. They about to be here. Real quick.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I see them right now. Do you hear the footsteps? Picture pattern? Yeah. No, go ahead and see this. I know y' all doing the full party, but no, they actually all in the bathroom, so they here.

[Eric Eddings]

No, you can start the Andre mimosas. Go ahead. Just keep. Keep bringing it to me. I promise you they will be here. But yes. Anyway, I am the person who is getting played. I am the on time friend who is just like, you could have texted and they're like, oh, but it's the 20 minute grace period. There's no such thing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, see, I will say this one. I love an all time friend. I have several. But also, I'm gonna send the text before I'm late. Okay. And the time estimation is gonna be a little under what I'm actually running, but not too much over that. You're gonna be mad. Like, I love a. If it's a friend of it. I love an eight minute. I'm eight minutes away. That means 15. But you'll be all right, you know? Cause you knew 8 was closer to 10 and you knew I was lying a little bit. And then we get to 15 and you not mad. You know what I mean?

[Eric Eddings]

See, that's the effort. I appreciate everybody. Don't do that. It's somebody who I might have hosted a podcast with, you know, for a long time. For a long time. Who don't always send that text. But anyway, it's all good. It's all good. I ain't bitter about it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You heard it here first. Y' all get to Googling. Get to Googling on Erica, okay? And listen to those podcasts. They're amazing. But today we got perfect. And Percy says, hey, Lacey, big fan of the pod. Okay, Parasocial time over. Wow, Percy, you made that quick. You wanted it in the top. Love that for us. So important context for this story. I live in Atlanta, Georgia, and we have our Senate runoff election on December 6 between Raphael Warnock and Herschel Walker. The story happened to my neighbor, so by the time this airs, we will be out of that runoff. Please, God. Please, God. Please, God. Please, please don't. Please don't do Herschel the. If you don't know who Herschel Walker is, he is an ex football player who is running for the Senate, and he's running with the Republican Party. He is a black man, allegedly. And he is not the brightest bulb. I don't even know if we can call him a bulb. He's not the brightest candle in the light bulb box. He's, like, as bright as a candle, but you have no matches.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So bright. It's just as bright as a wick. Could be just a raw wick with no fire. And he absolutely should not be in government. And he unfortunately got very close in the votes with Raphael Warnock, who is a sane human being. And so now they're doing a runoff in Georgia. You have any thoughts about that area?

[Eric Eddings]

There's so much that hurts about, like, having to turn on the news and just watch Herschel Walker speak. If I'm just being straight up with you, like, I am a person. I love blackness. I love being black. There's nothing anybody can take away from that for me personally, but I wince for all of us, like, when he gets up to give a speech. Cause, like, it just doesn't help anyone. And so I just really. I really hope. I really hope that, like, hey, I need. I need just, like, a handful of the white people who be on the line. You know what I'm saying? It feels like black folks have realized, like, we need Raphael Warnock. I'm just gonna say that it feels like we understand at least most of that message.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, the majority. Now, you do have your killer mics. You do have secret agents for the supremacy and the oppression of all involved, all races. Like, we all gonna get oppressed if this happens. But also, to your point, y' all Google Herschel Walker speeches. And when I tell you, like, you won't believe that these aren't scripted By SNL or by the greatest, like, comedians of our time. He did one speech where he was talking about, I was watching a movie the other night, and I wish I was. This was a bad impression, but it's not.

[Eric Eddings]

It's not. That's the thing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And so I was watching this movie. I was watching this movie, y', all,

and it was about vampires.

You don't know vampires. Up. They.

They real bad.

They tough. You know, they. They some.

They some crazy dudes.

And did y' all know that a werewolf could beat a vampire? Like, I didn't even know that. I just think I want to be a vampire, but now I'm like, I think I want to be a werewolf. He does this whole long tangent about. And it's like, this is a speech. Like, he's behind a podium talking to people, campaigning, and ties it all up with, like, we're the werewolves, and. And we gotta fight. It was. It was so convoluted that my head

and I was like, am I dumber for watching this?

Yes.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Actually, he took away my brain cells.

[Eric Eddings]

And that's why I hope the runoff goes the way that it needs to go. Cause, like, I just don't. I want to watch the news and feel enriched, you know? Is that. Is that too much to ask? Yes. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Clearly, the news is for pain. Okay? It always was, but now they, like, sensationalize it. They're like, guess what, bitch? The Senate is in a draw. Like, you know what I mean? Like, now it's like, like, oh, capital green, ho. Get into it. Like, now they're just trying to, like, get as many clicks as possible. But the news was always like, what household product that's gonna kill you tonight? More at 11. Y' all not gonna tell me right now? In the commercial, they're like, no, tune in or you gonna die. Like, that was always the news when I was like, tune in. How are we going up on the news tonight? Don Lemon and Innocent Cooper getting drunk on Friday night. Like, what's happening?

[Eric Eddings]

As they talk us through the apocalypse.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, we doing a TikTok about climate change. More than 11. Like, what?

[Eric Eddings]

Authenticity. You know, you gotta throw that on there, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So Percy says that this runoff is happening, and this story happened to Percy's neighbor. As I said, snitch on your friends and family. Also snitch on your neighbors. We love that. Get a cup of sugar. Also tell on them. Great. She and her old man. Her words, not mine. You know, it'd be like, my old man, my ball and chain. Cute. Okay. So we got an age area on yourself, right? Because nowadays the young girl who's called their significant other, like, oh, my.

[Eric Eddings]

Or even hell, if you want to get respectable partner.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Partner. Yeah, if you're respectable partner. Yes, I do say partner. But, you know, but the. The older generation, my ball of chain,

[Eric Eddings]

my old maid, you know, old lady. I think it was Kylie.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My. My lack of key, my jail sentence. So her and her old man were leaving Publix Barry, Atlanta, when a guy approached her. She thought it was a panhandler and was about to give him money. Okay, she's sweet. She was about to give him money, but he was standing next to a digital pickup truck with a billboard on it. So we have a photo of that, Eric. We're gonna show it. We'll drop it on the podcast as well.

[Eric Eddings]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So it's like a Ford. I wanna say F150, but 800, whatever.

[Eric Eddings]

In that vein. Yeah, A.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And on the back of it. So it's not even like one of those billboard buses or something like that. This is somebody who has just put a billboard in the back of their truck.

[Eric Eddings]

It doesn't even look like. There's no straps. There's not a. Like, you don't see an ex. Like some sort of cord situation.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can't go more than 30 miles an hour. This is flying to the car behind them.

[Eric Eddings]

I would never drive by this person. That's why they're smart. They put the things on the side because they know everybody coming from behind. It's like, let me get out of the damn way. They about to cuss the driver out so they can look at the sign.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That was good marketing. You're right. Because they're like, you don't have to drive past me and be like, what the hell? And then you're going to read the sign. And that's smart. I mean, one of my friends, Elwood, she had posted. This is years ago when I actually looked at Facebook about how we have to really get off our phones when we're driving. And in LA is bad. I see people fully operating the motor vehicle face down, fully texting and typing. I'm like, bro, you got to look up a little bit. Can you give me some eye dodges? Or at least text at the red light, like, come on now. But I was on the freeway and I remember her saying that because I was, like, looking at an email, but I wasn't, like, looking looking, but I was like, let me put my phone completely down. Nothing is worth my life. Putting the phone down. And as soon as I put that phone down and I started just like. Because when you're on the road, you have to look at how other people are driving. You don't know if they swerve and you don't know what they're doing. I looked up and I was behind a truck similar to this, only on the back of it, it just had windows like window panes, like not strapped down. When I tell you, as soon as I switched lanes, those windows started FL the back of this truck into traffic.

[Eric Eddings]

I believe that in la. I. I was gonna say I believe that in la. I've been here for maybe five months and the, the. Just the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, fresh.

[Eric Eddings]

The lack of concern for any sort of self safety or the safety of others in getting from point A to point B is fascinating. I absolutely believe that. I absolutely believe it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. That people are driving around with loose windows. Yeah.

[Eric Eddings]

And glass. They might as well just be somebody in the back just throwing glasses, ass throwing it everywhere.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We drive crazy.

But loose windows, it's too loose windows.

[Eric Eddings]

People are wild.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wild. So this sign that we're looking at, it says Frank Caliendo, May 21st at 8pm tickets. And there's like a website. So I think Frank Calendo must be a comedian.

[Eric Eddings]

I'm guessing he's giving comedian. I think that is. That is. I hope.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah.

The picture he has is like, he's giving a face like I'm funny, like.

[Eric Eddings]

Or am I?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Tune in, get them tickets and see if you. If you like. Frank Calendar. No shade. Frank Calendo. We don't know if. We don't know where you stand, if you're good or if you nasty. We just, we're just pointing out the. This is a good strategy though, Frank. I might have to have somebody drive around and they'll pick up advertising my show. Seems cheaper than buying a billboard.

[Eric Eddings]

Frank is like, look, my media buyer is undefeated. He's like, he is out here. They are out here doing the work every single day. You know my name and do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And just blasted it out to a lot of people. So you know what, Frank? You went. You won on that. So this is the truck that homeboy is standing next to when he approaches the neighbor and her old man. So this person pulls up and he told her he would give her $100 in cash if she said that she was voting for Herschel Walker. Of course, bribing people with money to vote for your candidate or register to vote is hella illegal, but she joked that it would take a lot more Cash than that for her to vote for Herschel Walker. The guy said, how much more? And as for her id, she pretended to have just remembered that she left something in the store and walked away. But by that time, she came back. And by the time she came back out, he and his truck were gone. On to the next spot.

[Pharmaceutical Ad Voice]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

And I love that she fully committed to walking back in the store. Just to get out of the conversation. She was like, I left something actually in the whole building. Excuse me. I got to go. And then waited him out in there and then came out. That's conflict avoided for you.

[Eric Eddings]

Also, it's just what I miss about the South. Folks will go out of their way not to, like, be impolite. It is like. It's fascinating. It's one of the nice parts. Now, mind you, the. The racism can also come with a politeness, too, that is a little bit weird. But in situations like this, it's just, you know, it's nice to see somebody go the extra mile in one situation, one scenario.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. It was very kind, because these days, I would have been like, no, or I don't have cash, or you're not like. Like, I would have just sped by. I would. Sometimes I just act like I can't hear the person. I avoid eye contact, and I walk really fast. Like, I'm definitely not gonna run back into the store and then wait as the closing doors open and close and I'm just standing there.

[Eric Eddings]

Do you think they walk down an aisle? Like, did they pick an aisle to go down? Like, all right, like, let me give it two aisles. Cereal and soup. And then I know they'll be gone. They'll be gone. They, like, walked out, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Let me go see.

You know what?

I could use a rotisserie chicken. Publix Zoo had a good chicken. Maybe I'll get one of those while I'm in here. Like, yeah, this is the commitment to avoiding conflict. Is pair is like, amazing because she started out like, oh, it's a pant. It's somebody who needs money. I'm gonna just give it to him and go. And then when she waited for the whole speech about the voter fraud, then she ran her ass back into the store. Now, I thought she was with your old man. He could step in and be like, we. We gotta go.

[Eric Eddings]

Like, oh, we gotta be somewhere. I'm eight minutes late for brunch. You know, Like, I need. I need to get there. I only have 15 minutes. Like, come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it's never a lie to say you Gotta be somewhere. Because you do have to be somewhere. Always. As long as you're alive, you gotta be somewhere.

[Eric Eddings]

I have an appointment with home every day. I love it. I never miss it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Never miss it. Always on time. And sometimes, like, if I don't want to do something, I'm like, yeah, I'm busy. It might be. I'm busy on my couch watching reruns of Scandal. What? That's me being busy doing what I want to do. Okay, you don't have to explain. So this all happens. She runs into the store and hides. Love that for her. So she's new to the area and I guess felt like a little voter fraud was to be expected for Georgia, which is harsh, but fair. It's not harsh. It's actually very, extremely active. I lived in Georgia the first time that Stacey Abrams ran, and I could not vote. But we black walked, and we, like, tried to do everything we could to support while we were working there. And I heard stories firsthand from people who were like, yeah, I went to the school to vote, and there was only one voting machine, and it didn't have a cord. Like, that's voter fraud. How y' all gonna bring the machine and be like, oh, damn, we. Anybody got a. Like, an iPhone charger? Anybody got a voting booth charger? Anybody? Anybody in line?

[Eric Eddings]

Well, that's how. And then they use that to say that there was fraud. Well, somebody did have a charger, and it hooked up to the Internet.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So we can't trust it.

[Eric Eddings]

You can't trust it. Like, oh, no. You know, like, we had to fix something. It's like, I can't. That's also one of the reasons why I'm. Sadly, I'm happy I'm not in the south anymore. I'm from Memphis, Tennessee, and I have to go. Tennessee is another big one on the voter fraud and voter suppression. Or, sorry, more so voter suppression train.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The gerrymandering in Texas, Please, let's talk about it. Okay? Cause they're out there drawing shapes. Okay. What's his name? The Afro man who makes the trees.

[Eric Eddings]

Who are used to the Afro man who makes it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You.

[Eric Eddings]

I don't know what this is, but the description is exact. It's 100%.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, I'm talking about. What is his name? Y' all help me out in the chat. But. But whoever he is, like, they ain't got shit on the Republicans gerrymander in Texas because they are doing art over there to keep that voter suppression popping. Okay. But anyway, so she's new to the area she felt like a little voter FR was to be expected, which she didn't have the wherewithal to take a picture of him and his truck. Percy says, before you ask how difficult it would be to identify a truck, it was a huge digital billboard in the bed, which they sent a picture to us. And it's pretty common in Atlanta. You see them all the time on i285, advertising people's SoundClouds while you're in traffic. And I love that for them, Bob Ross is the Afro painting man.

[Eric Eddings]

When for some reason when you said Afro and man, I'm connecting them and I'm like, like I'm hearing. Because I got high in the back of my head. I'm like, these are very different people. Afro man at Bob Ross. Oh my goodness.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Are, are they. What if they were the same guy?

[Eric Eddings]

Both of them die mysteriously. They say, I don't know, I don't know, misinform.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And when I asked, this is Percy asking why she didn't just do what I would have done, which is take the money and then vote for Raphael Warnock. Because what happens in the voting booth is my business. She said she thinks he was asking for IDs to check up on people who actually voted for Herschel Walker after taking his money. But someone brought up the possibility to her that the cash was probably counterfeit and he wanted, wanted to see people's IDs so he could see their addresses and case their houses for robbery.

[Eric Eddings]

Wow, that took a turn. I. I'm not even like, for, for a long time I thought we were really just sitting in voter fraud. You know, we got to hitting the lick. Like, I was like, oh shit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

There's always a twist. There's always a twist. Which is why I love it. Percy says she reported it as much as I can remember to the voter protection hotlines and was considering giving a tip to the state election office and the FBI. I just found it funny that the call was coming from inside the house with regards to Republican voter fraud. And they're not sending their best. They are not sending their best. And also, how you gonna give me fake money probably and then. Or real money? Because that's a down payment on you robbing my house. Because I bet you they're looking for like people who look nice, who look like they have a two car garage. You know, it's giving two car and maybe a little corruption. And they're like, oh, we know they got some LG TVs up in there that we can look Lift right off the wall.

[Eric Eddings]

I think my frustration with the whole situation is like you, like most people who commit crimes, who commit like whole ass crimes do not get follow up information like in the process to go and check up just to make sure the whole crime was committed. You were going to get an address to follow up with somebody to potentially see if they committed a whole ass crime that you paid them to do with another crime. Money.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Listen, you gotta make sure the crime went through, okay? Because otherwise why are you paying the money? Like I would have been. The crime has to clear, okay? It takes, you know, two to three business weeks and. But we will make sure that the crime clears. You know, he could have been up in line or you know, in the, wherever the voting, you know, the polling place, you know, like over people's shoulders. Like don't forget about that hundred dollars

[Eric Eddings]

checking the voter rolls. It still says processing fam. You need to, huh, you need to do your.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, take a picture after you vote.

Because you can do that. You can take a picture and look, we saw Katy Perry do it when she voted for Rick Carrucho. So we know you can take a picture at the polls. He's like, send me that screenshot that you. That it went through.

[Eric Eddings]

I want people to do better. I mean I don't, I don't want people to vote fraud better. I'm just gonna be straight up with that. Especially cuz it usually always is the Republicans just to be honest about that. But I also just want crime committing people to be better. Cause this, I'm a square, you know what I'm saying? Like my shirt is tucked in right now, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm wearing square.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I can't even see the bottom.

[Eric Eddings]

You can't. Trust me, it is. You know, my shoes barely touch my, my pants barely touch my sneakers. There's no stack going on. I'm a square. Okay. And I know that you don't collect evidence for your own crimes. That's not something you should do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean you do if you're running a different, a whole different grift. Which seems like that might have been the case here.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes. I'm curious if it actually was the home invasion aspect of it. Cause I have heard California gets a bad rap for the home invasions. But I've heard like, hey, they don't play in Atlanta. They will come up inside your crib,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

they will pull up, pull up on you. Okay. That's a part of the taxes.

[Eric Eddings]

That seems very involved. There's a lot of Still a lot of steps for the home invasion. Like we didn't just case a neighborhood like you at the Publix, standing out front, you know, as if you're selling candy bars before you rob people for the football team.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They said show us your ID too so we can mail the candy bars to your house. What kind of house you got? We talking gated community? No, we just need to know this to sell the candy bars, that's all. Because they gotta get through the gate, you know what I'm saying?

[Eric Eddings]

When I win my bike, I want to ride over and tell you thank you. You are always fundraising for the bike. If I sell 15 candy bars.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, you gotta sell like 20,000 for the bike. It's that in the jerseys and I've never seen the jerseys. I've never seen a solitary jersey. But they out here and I'm not mad at it. Well guys, we're gonna take one more quick break for non scam advertising and we'll be right back with historic hoodwinks robbery.

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And Fraud. And we are back. And it's time for a very juicy historic hoodwink. This one intersects with pop culture. If you know anything about Eric Eddings and his work, which I'm sure a lot of y' all are familiar. Okay. Cause he be out here working on the things and on the jobs and on the podcast. Oh, he knows a lot about pop culture. And this is one that y' all have been pressed about for a minute in my DMs. Sending the ravens to my house. And we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. Recently, singer and former Kim Kardashian boyfriend Ray J came out with his own version of the events surrounding the release of their joint sex tape 20 years ago.

Can you believe it's been 20 years?

[Eric Eddings]

Wild. Like, I feel very old, but I also am upset that I am still as versed in this story today, 20 years later, as I was when the shit first just happened.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So I was a kid when it first dropped. So I heard the whisperings, but I wasn't as familiar because I wasn't on the sites, you know, where these things were being distributed. But Ray J claims that the Kardashian Jenner version of events is actually far from the truth. Now, I did see this live on Twitter. I caught pieces of it, which was very hilarious. Ray J is a natural comedian. At one. Like, the WI Fi was dropping out. He had his friend operating the slideshow, but his friend didn't know how to use the projector. And so things were popping up. He was exposing real people's phone numbers. Cause he didn't know how to cover them up in the screenshots. At one point, there was a fly in the media room and he was like, oh, no, Christiana, she's sending everything at me. And it was the fly.

[Eric Eddings]

You could just picture the best verses you've ever watched. And this is what the production quality was like. It's basically the live like three, six Bone Thugs verses was how Ray J was presenting it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Or my favorite, what was it? Teddy Riley. Teddy with the horrible Wi fi Riley. That verse was just impeccable. He really tried to do too much. And it was I miss when verses was just that I didn't like when it turns into concerts and it was sponsored by every major brand and they had to like pop Doritos in between songs. Like I, I, I, I like the purity of it just being on Instagram and having to automatically shut off and having the worst Wi fi you've ever seen with the least, least capable people of operating it.

[Eric Eddings]

It's when everybody's like, nephew came out. You got to see which artist had the nephew that knows how to work the computer.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Scoot over, scoot over, unk. Scoot over, unk. A lot of screwed over, unk.

[Eric Eddings]

I got you, old head. I got you OG I got you

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

OG A lot of that. So at one point in time, Kim Kardashian's biggest claim to fame was that her father was the late Robert Kardashian, noted attorney of O.J. simpson and Best friend of Paris Hilton. She was the best friend of Paris Hilton, not a father. But these were like the things that made her famous. This changed when a sex tape starring her and the singer Ray J was leaked by adult entertainment company Vivid Entertainment. The couple had dated from 2002 to 2006 and filmed their now infamous sex tape during a trip to Cabo in 2004. Now, what I will say here, I do want to make a disclaimer. Sex work is work. And I think that Kim K, despite all the things you could say about her politics or, you know, how she wears her skin and, and how she gets her influence from those of us born with that skin and monetizes it more than we could ever do. I will say the one thing that I don't like, shade her for is this tape. Like, people have sex, people be naked. Like, who gives a shit? And like, people like to put that as an asterisk on her career. And I'm like, there's so many other things that are real asterisks. Like her having some sex like most of us do. Not one of them.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah. In general, I think it was the first kind of demonstration of clear business acumen that she would continue to demonstrate further in her career. Her and Chris, like, they went off from the jump.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They did indeed. And also it's nice to see women making money off of, I don't want to say exploitation because, like, I know that's how it was framed. And we'll get into that. And maybe that's true and maybe it's not, but I will say, like, it's nice to see a woman, like, something leaked sexually. And instead of her being penalized for it and not being able to work again, or, you know, what they did to Pamela Anderson, which was so fucked up. You know, you see her thriving, which as she should be able to.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah, I mean, this isn't that far. Like, if you think about literally 20 years, 20 years ago, this isn't that far removed from, you know, even like Paris Hilton sex tape or like, you know, some of those other things. And that shit didn't always work out great. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't cool at the time at least, especially for the people who didn't, you know, actually choose that situation. Situation.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And now people are choosing it and they're like, let me. Let's get these streaming numbers up, y'.

[Kaitlin Coleman]

All.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Drop the tape production value.

[Eric Eddings]

You know, like, hey, Mimi was like swinging from the rafters or something.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Shower rot. Which. Which turned into a whole phenomenon on Twitter where, you know, the sale of whatever shower rod, that sturdy shower rod that, you know, sent it through the roof.

[Eric Eddings]

I mean, clearly that she's a. She's a buff woman. She's very athletic.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Very athletic.

[Eric Eddings]

I am proud that she had a shower curtain that like, reflected who she actually was. You know, she needed a stronger one.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause that lead on mine is coming down, so you can do pull ups on yours. Like, that's. That's double.

[Eric Eddings]

I can only put a linen cloth,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

you know, and that's all it can hold. Okay. And I have to open it very delicately when I get in and out of the shower. But this, this was industrial. So the footage didn't become public until 2007, when rumors started floating around about footage obtained by Vivid Entertainment, an adult entertainment company. Are they sponsoring the show? We got to say all of that each time. So Kim Kardashian's then lawyer, Stephen Kurtz, filed a lawsuit against Vivid in an attempt to prevent the video's release, which didn't work. The two Parties ultimately settled out of court and Kim was paid $5 million. Now, VJ is saying that the story surrounding the leak was fabricated by Kim and her mother, who not only lied, but bad mouthed him during subsequent events that led to the rise of the Kardashian empire. So what's coming to light 20 years later? Later this year, the Kardashian family premiered a new show, the Kardashians, a reality TV show following their 20 season run on their previous reality show, Keeping Up With Kardashians. So the Kardashians is on Hulu and this is their new show. They've gone to a new network. They changed the name just a little bit, just enough.

[Eric Eddings]

So legally it's the same show with gloss. It's like, it's a little more like it's not. It's not reality show. It's a docu series, you know, Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's propaganda for all their brands. It's like this, oh my God, we're going to the skim shoot.

And it's drama.

Also, the link for skims is right underneath here on Hulu. Just click on that and you can buy automatically. It's synergy. It's synergy to the max. So in the series premiere, which premiered April of 2022, Kim Kardashian's six year old son, Saint west found a link on the Internet to unseen footage of the sex tape she shot with her then boyfriend, ray J in 2003. And I saw this episode for reception and he comes in saying that he saw an ad on Roblox, which is a very popular kid gaming service, and it was saying, there's more tape. And Kim is appalled. And of course the cameras happen to be rolling and caught this completely organic moment on camera.

[Eric Eddings]

Okay, I saw that. I believe that. With quotation marks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. In an episode filmed in October 2021, premiering a couple episodes after one of season one, Kanye west flew to LA from New York to retrieve the hard drive of the unseen tape, saying he even met with Ray J himself. In April of 2022, social media drama occurred when Ray J commented on an Instagram clip of the episode posted by a celebrity gossip account, Hollywood Unlocked. Which, if you don't know what Hollywood Unlocked is, that's a hilarious. And I'm not saying hilarious by the content. I'm saying hilarious by like execution Hollywood blog. And I will say one time I did try to scam Jason Lee. I was at a party and I saw his name on the list and I was like, oh yeah, we're Here with Jason Lee. And he happened to be behind me.

[Eric Eddings]

Oh, my God. And he turned around, he was like,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know her.

I still got into the party, but I deserve that. I deserve. Cause all the things he's done. Beyonce, like, I.

[Eric Eddings]

You gotta watch out. He might have the firm come after you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, please. He didn't know who I was at the time. And I definitely still got into that party. But that execution didn't work. Cause he was behind me. And I guess I didn't know what he looked like. So that was hilarious. Hollywood Unlocked is his blog, and they were the first people to announce that Queen Elizabeth died. Now, they did it several months before she actually died, but they weren't first.

[Eric Eddings]

They knew it was coming and nobody else did.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, journalism, journalism, okay? They predicted it. Y' all can't say that they didn't predict it, okay? Because they were first. So he commented on the Hollywood Unlocked blog rage, the comment that started the discourse, said, all of this is a lie. Shaking my head. Can't let them do this to me anymore. So untrue. In an exclusive interview with the Daily Mail, Ray J said, not only did the meeting with Kanye west not happen in the way that it was depicted on the show, but the whole story surrounding the sex tape was mostly fabricated. In May of 2022, Ray J said,

I've sat in the shadows for over 14 years, allowing the Kardashians to use

my name, to abuse my name, to

make billions of dollars over a decade.

And talking about a topic I've never really spoken about.

[Eric Eddings]

At this point, I'm actually with Ray J. You know what I'm saying? Like, he has a point, but the

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

way he's selling it, like. Like, this is supposed to be some activism. Like, we supposed to go outside with some picking signs.

[Eric Eddings]

So here's the thing. I. You have to understand, I regard Ray J as a special type of, like, gesture. I actually see him as. It's very similar to Kim, where everything is a bit. So, like, even when I hear Ray J, like, I have been. I have. There's a travesty that's occurred. I have been wronged. You. Oh, my God. Me, black man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

In America, the most disrespected man is the Ray J. The most unprotected man is the Ray

[Eric Eddings]

J. I feel like what I heard was, okay, so now y' all wanna. Y' all wanna slander my name a little bit more than I would prefer. And I don't know if they about to rebook me on love and hip Miami, right? I gotta come for you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not getting a check. Yeah, he's not getting a check from this. Even though he was down when he made that song. I hit it first, you know, Was not complaining. Okay, not complaining. Was trying to get his checks off of it as well. But he's like, enough. They making way more money than me now. I'm victimized.

[Eric Eddings]

I do. So the thing I do will say, though, is I do think it's interesting for as much like, Kim gets a lot of stuff about, like, as you mentioned, just about the sex tape and like, being like, talentless and, you know, I'm not. I don't have a dog in that fight. But I do think it is interesting how much their careers have been along the same path. But, like, Kim gets a lot more respect than Ray J does because Ray J has been on Love and Hip Hop for us and Zeus Network. You know, he's been for the love of Ray J as opposed to, like, you know, these other shows with his name. But they're very similar.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yep. A lot of reality tv, hers is just. They paint it up cuter. You know, it's got better filters, it's got better camera work, the lighting's better, but it's essentially the same show.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah. Love and Hip Hop with a tracking shot, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. Okay. Cause when Ray J was on Love and Hip Hop, he was doing Synergy too. He was selling them scooty bikes and those Ray J earbuds and the Raycons,

[Eric Eddings]

the glasses that couldn't be broken, that

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

breakable, like, much like the shower rod that Mimi sold on Love and Hip Hop. He had unbreakable glasses. So he was monetizing it to a certain extent, just not to the extent that the Kardashians have been able to monetize their. So he didn't completely elaborate until after James Corden's late night show aired a lie detector segment. And this was recent as well. And we have a video of that. We're gonna play just a little 10 second clip of that and we'll put this on the Instagram. Okay.

Oh, dear.

Here we go. Okay.

[Eric Eddings]

Did you help Kim release her sex tape?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's okay. No. Now, I heard through the grapevine, because lie detector, detector tests are not an accurate form of getting information, which is why they're not used in court or anywhere else really. But I heard that you could maybe like, pay a little bit to like, make sure it says what you needed to say. Like, they give you the thumbs up when you need the thumbs up also,

[Eric Eddings]

do we really just think, like, James Corden is, like, correctly interpreting these, you know, these results passed along to him like, you saw her smile. She knew what question was coming.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm sorry, of course you get pre interview. You know what questions are coming. When you go on a talk show, you get a pre. And someone as powerful of a media mogul as Chris, someone who is. No one's spinning harder than Kris. The whole. The Harlem Globetrotters could never. Okay, nobody's spinning as hard as Kris Jenner in the business.

[Eric Eddings]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So, yeah, she definitely knew. And this episode aired in September of 2022. So recently, this was the straw that broke the camel's BB hell for Ray J. Okay? He was like, I'm done. I'm fed up. So shortly after, Ray J went live on Instagram, where he shared texts, messages, and his own account of some of the events that occurred. Ray J alleges that when the tape was released, his career suffered because the Kardashians used the leak to support rumors that he was a bad person. Even as recently as the first episode of the Kardashians, Kim said regarding additional tapes in quotes, what if I was

fucking sleeping and he stuck a dildo up my ass?

Like, I don't know. In regards to, like, the unreleased footage. So obviously, I know that she was, like, joking, but the insinuation of assault is definitely something that is disparaging to someone's character, like, extremely.

[Eric Eddings]

And even, like. And look, Ray J. Ray J being some shit. Like, Ray J is not known for being just, like, you know, an amazing guy.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Did he push his wife in a pool once? I'm living him.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes, he absolutely did. I mean, let alone, like, when he called it to the Breakfast Club and his, like, fabulous rant, like, ray J. Ray J got some. Some dark stuff in the past, but an assault is a big deal. Like, that's not. That's not some shit to play with.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, because you're jeopardizing, like, potentially someone's, like, freedom also their career. You know, whatever reputation Ray J has, like, I. I can understand that being something that he was upset that about. Ray J also went into detail about his meetup with Kanye and that the sex tape that Kim said Kanye successfully retrieved wasn't explicit footage at all. So it's just like, B sides. Like, they. They had the cabana order pina coladas, and he was like, this. There's no sex in this. This is just a part of the tape that.

[Eric Eddings]

It was 2007, so it's like the. The DVD extras of the sex tape they had to shoot the menus. They had the really fancy menus back then in.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, they did. On the DVDs where you could see the little outtakes. Yeah, this was just blooper reels, but not sexual bloopers. Just fun in the sun, according to Ray J. So also according to Ray J, it was actually a hard drive of photos, texts, and messages he thought could possibly be seen in a negative light that he was sharing to make peace between himself and the family. Ray J also claimed that Kris Jenner was the actual orchestrator of not only the sex tapes leak, but it's filming and that she flipped the narrative. Allegedly. The contract for the release of the films was organized by Chris and was signed before they even filmed it. The alleged contract showed and called for these videos. Cabo Intro, Cabo six, and Santa Barbara Fix.

[Eric Eddings]

I just. Look, we. I work in audio and we talk a lot about naming conventions. And I just think that they could have came up with some better names for this. Like, oh my God, like, look at how they, like legit just wrote it out. Tape one. Tape, tape, tape.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Look, they were getting to the point you what you wanted to Brandon Cabo canoodling something.

[Eric Eddings]

I mean, I mean, that's. What the hell. Just being straight up. That's what the tape needed. It needed a little more like, production value. So, like, I. I guess Chris hadn't quite gotten to this part.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But it's supposed to seem intimate, though. It's supposed to seem like it's bad and shaky camera work, because that's what's telling you that it was like them doing it for real and it wasn't, like, produced.

[Eric Eddings]

I mean, I guess that's also just like the time aspect. It's been 20 years. I don't think anybody wants their sex tape, like, even if it is for personal, personal use, to have that quality. Like Apple is giving us the cinematic camera now. The shit don't have to wobble no more.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And people do not appreciate that. When you see videos on Twitter of fights or of, you know, people exposing a situation, sometimes when you go in the comments, they'll be like, why is the cameraman talking so much? We can't hear the audio? Or why is his hand shaking so much? He moving too much? Like, they're criticizing the quality of this, like, impromptu video. So people do they want. They want the 4K.

[Eric Eddings]

You should have zoomed in a little more on the cop so we could read that. You know, like, I wanted to see the badge number, you know, it's like, come on, fam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? This is too much. So although only one tape was released, Ray J said that Kim held on to the other videos till today. Ray J even claimed that Chris watched the tape and. And made the former couple reshooted video, which was then released because it gives my daughter a better look in quotes. That was the detail that. And this is all alleged. This is just what Ray J is saying. We were. We're never going to be there. We're never going to be able to confirm these things. But that detail really shook me to my core because I was like, I just can't imagine my. And my mom, like, she gives me advice on my entertainment career. Like, she's definitely, like, invested. I can never imagine her being like, like, okay, well, we need to cut here at the fellatio and then come back at the back shot. Like, what that would be.

[Eric Eddings]

She would never. Like, my mom would never. And also, just like, for where it's worth, like, we don't know if this is true, but I believe some part of it, because even when, like, when the Playboy shoot happened, like, I feel like Kim did some sort of nude shoot on the Kardashians.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Her mom was, like, convincing her. Yeah.

[Eric Eddings]

It was, like, encouraging her to do it. Like, I. That is. Is kind of, like, fascinating, the amount of detachment she could have kind of from this person. I have two kids, right? I support them. I want them to do whatever they want. I have two girls, two awesome girls. I want them to grow up, do whatever they want, but I don't need to be involved in all of it. You know what I'm saying? I'm Dad. I could just be back here. You want a grill? Come home. I got you. You know what I'm saying? You want. Come do laundry. I got you need notes on your sex tape. You need to find somebody else. I'm not Daddy. Not doing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Daddy not doing that.

[Eric Eddings]

Eddie. Not doing that. I'm sorry.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I will say, part of my brain is like, okay, if your kid gets in modeling, like, there are times on the Runway where it's sheer and you're going to see the whole body and whatnot. If you are supporting your kids. And we don't condemn sex where. So, like, if. If it's work, it's just like, they go to the accountant firm and maybe you were an accountant, and you're like, oh, well, this is what I would do if I was in this kind of audit or whatever. Like, it is supporting your kids in their Business endeavors.

[Eric Eddings]

I. I still hold firm to. Ultimately, you might want to keep family and the business a little separate because the way it's working out out is the shit ain't right. Some.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, but think about this though. If they kept family and business separate, Chris. Chris built all of that from the ground up. And she did a. Monetarily wise, she did an excellent job. They all have mansions that are palatial. They all booked and busy and you know, they give a little charity to rob and they're doing great. He's got socks. Never mind he got socks. He got socks, you know, So, I

[Eric Eddings]

mean, I hear you. I. Look, I don't have a quarter of. A quarter of their wealth. And so shout out to Chris. Cause she does have the cheat codes. But it's just some. I don't know, it just. It doesn't feel a little wrong. Feel a little something quite ain't right. You know, I don't know that I would take the money to have my mom want to give notes on my sex tape. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think. I don't think I'm. I think I'm good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, I'll find another way. I'll find another way to make monies. So Kim Kardashian, superstar Main made it. Made like $1.4 million in revenue in its first six weeks. And over 1.25 million of that was in DVD sales. This was back when hard copies were the move. Okay, Blow off that disc and pop it in that Blu ray. So Ray J said that their initial deal that he and Kim was that they would receive $400,000 plus 12.5% of the profits. They both continued to profit from the tape to this day, making around $360,000 dollars per year, if not more. The Kardashians have yet to publicly respond to Ray J.

[Eric Eddings]

So interesting detail I have heard until this point. Funny enough. I. So, again, I'm not a Ray J expert, but I've done. I've been here for a long time. I watched a lot of. Lot of VH1 just, you know, hell, I'm sorry, y', all, but someone's gotta

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

do the research, okay?

[Eric Eddings]

And damn it, it was me. And so my understanding was that initially Kim took a lump sum and Ray J took the percentage of profits ongoing. Because a lot of people, they were saying, you know, they were saying before the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's like, I want equity.

[Eric Eddings]

Before this year, you know, folks were like, Ray J. People were saying Ray J might have made more from the tape than Kim did ultimately, which obviously Kim made her dough. But you know, just saying.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And look, that's not how their kind of scammy history even began. Because if you want to go back, and I don't know how many people know this, but Brandi was also associated with Kardashians. This was also not the last time that the Kardashians engaged in fraud with Ray J's family. Allegedly.

Right.

In 2004, Kim Kardashian was working as a singer. Brandy and Ray J's sister, her stylist. Now, I don't like describing Brandi as Ray J's sister ever, but in this context, I know that's why they're doing it.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes, yes. But Brandi is. It's Brandy, y'.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

All. Yes. Okay. Brandi. Ray J is Brandi's brother always.

[Eric Eddings]

And I liked Ray J for a long time. And he is Brandi's brother.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's always gonna be Brandi's brother. She brought him into every, like, everything she had going on, you know, she brought him on to Moesha.

[Eric Eddings]

She claimed him. Frank Mitchell claimed him. For Brandi.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

For Brandi.

She helped him with his singing, which he deeply disappointed her in that verse. Cause she was sitting in the corner like, wow, all these notes are just on the ground. Somebody get a moment. My sweep up all these. Until my baby's born. If you've not seen that, versus. And then he tried to blame his baby on why he sounded bad. Cuz he was like, I was holding my baby. That's why I couldn't hit no notes.

[Eric Eddings]

Pray ain't hit a note. It's. It's been a minute. It's. It's this. He had troubles before that moment.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you're a note, if you're anywhere on the treble, you know, or on any scale, you are safe when it comes to Ray J. Because he ain't never going to hit you. He ain't never gonna hit you.

[Eric Eddings]

There's a reason I feel like he fell off that millennium tour real quick. Was he. Did he make it on it with Omarion? Cause it was like there was like a love and hip hop year, like Millennium reunion tour. It was like him bow wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I feel like he was trying to get on it. I don't know if he ever got on it. Let's look it up. If he ever got on it.

[Eric Eddings]

They were like, he had to, like, practice. And even that didn't go well. Your practice didn't go in. You control that, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And they filmed some of it. And I was like, rachel, why would you let them leak this footage? Like, as soon as this practice is over, you gotta go chase down all the cameramans and break their equipment with fire. Like, don't let that come out. Don't do that to yourself. But so at the time in 2004, Kim Kardashian was working for Brandi as a personal assistant. In 2008, Sonia Norwood, who was Brandy's name, artist, producer, and mother of Brandy and Ray J, filed a lawsuit against the family for credit card abuse while they were employed by Brandi. She had allegedly authorized Kim to only make one purchase on the family's amex card in 2004. But she accused Kim of making purchases in 2006 and 2007, as well as giving the card to her siblings. Running it up on these hard working black people.

[Eric Eddings]

This is fascinating. I had never heard this. This is some good. We need to talk about this more. I feel like we need to put with this. Has Twitter gotten this information?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, yes. As quiet as it's kept, the girls know that, you know, like we said, Kim Kardashian made a lot of money off black women, and she's been doing it for a long time, longer than we know. Yes. From the jump, she said, oh, this is how I win.

[Eric Eddings]

Shit. This makes. Honestly, it makes me mad because, like, she also, she lives to antagonize, I think black folks just a little bit. Just, you know, just loves it just a little bit.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Cause she knows that we're gonna boost the algorithm for her because, and I'm telling y', all, please stop dun on these celebrities, because that's what they want. Even the hate stuff is furthering their brand, furthering their reach, you know, getting them to the eyes of people who don't care about your black ass opinions, but are more interested in what these white folks are doing with our likeness and our bodies. And you're making it easier for them to find. So don't dunk on these people because you're just helping.

[Eric Eddings]

Exactly. It is she. Especially since she's now in her, like, divestment from black folks era or from blackness era.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, yeah, she turned white again. She's like very thin. They all got a little reduction in the booty. And they're white again. They're dating white people again. And they're like, okay, enough of that. The blacks are out. You heard it here first.

[Eric Eddings]

No longer in vogue when the Kardashian reparations happen. I want Sonja Norwood to get her justice. I want her to get her coins back. Has she gotten her coins back?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The alleged amount purchased by the Kardashians totaled over 120. And some of the purchases were stock

for Dash and Smooth.

Two of the Kardashians owned clothing stores, so they were using these. They were.

[Eric Eddings]

Yo. Allegedly. I'm gonna just preface this with allegedly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Allegedly. But they were getting. They were like, y' all gonna invest in our company now?

[Eric Eddings]

I bet Chris was in on it. I like this. It sounds sophisticated. You know, it sounds like you got. You have to hide some receipts. Some. Anytime you have multiple. It's not just. She can just steal no money. She just hit the. You know, she didn't just hit, like, the. The.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She invested on the lick. They weren't just buying shoes and purses and flexing and going to. Going to dinner.

They.

Yeah, they embezzled.

[Eric Eddings]

That's. That's a.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's a big embezzle, as Black China would say. Embezzled, embezzle.

[Eric Eddings]

But I've. I've read a couple of things. That's a big one. You know, you gotta be careful with that. That's wild. I learned something new today. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Just a touch of the embass. Just a touch. Okay. A smidge of embass. So according to Sonia, when the charges were discovered, the Kardashians apologized and promised to pay the debt in full, but later reneged on that promise. So, Sonia, you should have ran straight to the courthouse. You should have ran up the courthouse steps like Rocky as soon as you saw these charges. Why would you go to them and be like, hey, can y' all give us that 120k back there? Like, oh, yeah. As soon as dash. Let us get through this quarter on dash and smooth, and then we'll reimburse you for the loan that you gave us that you didn't know that were participating in.

[Eric Eddings]

Are the Dash stores even still happening? They really tried to make that happen for a long.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think it was just a publicity stunt. Like, I walked in one once in Miami because I was curious, and, like, they barely had anything there to sell. It was all just, like, DASH merch for tourism. But the whole thing that made them work was they would randomly appear in the stores and basically just do, like, meet and greets or, like, club appearances at the store to drive trafficking for tourism.

[Eric Eddings]

That was the whole show. Courtney. It was according to Miami or. No, no, Courtney and Chloe.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, Take Miami. And then little did we know, they were taking Brandy, too. They said, we take. We took Brandy. Now we take in Miami.

[Eric Eddings]

Taking credit Cards, you know, like, oh, my goodness.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And as of April 2018, all locations have closed after 11 years of operation. So the dashes have dashed, man.

[Eric Eddings]

They like their scams be maturing, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I always want to make investments that really come into maturity and make me a lot of. Though that is fascinating. Even this even there also ran scams. The scam that, like, you know, the feeder on their way to, like, much, much more corporate domination.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It almost makes me think that, like, they listen to a lot of, like, rap music, and they were like, the blueprint. Okay, so we start with crime, then we watch everything. Then we go legit. They're like, okay, Jay Z, we listening. Okay. We're not going to start with crack, right?

[Eric Eddings]

They say, yo, he went. He made. He made rock a nowhere. The S Do Carters were big.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now you're trying to buy a sports team. Like, he's really taking the legitimacy through the roof. Okay?

[Eric Eddings]

They following the whole blueprint. They following the. They like. They got good credit. Jay Z was talking about that all the time. They listen to that song. They like, let me get my credit in order, Jay. Not gonna have me out bad. I'm listening to Sean.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Exactly. And they were like, we don't have to start from the very bottom. We don't have to start from hand to hand drug sales. You know, we'll start with just grifting. Brand. Brandi Griffin.

[Eric Eddings]

Brandi and Ray J. That's a hell of a start.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They should be proud. I mean, but also, I hope y' all get some coins back. Y' all were investors. I feel like y' all should have sued and got some stock.

[Eric Eddings]

You know, there's a dividend coming somewhere.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, I pray it is. I pray so. At the time, Ray J and Brandi requested that Sonya drop the suit on account of their friendship with the Kardashians. So they thought it was more lucrative to stay friends with this burgeoning, you know, empire than it was to try to get this 120k back. Sonia was like, I want my money. And they were like, mama, no.

[Eric Eddings]

Well, I mean, considering Ray J might have made 20 mil or, you know, or just some. Some multiple versions of a meal, it might not have been that bad. You know, he seemed like the type to, you know, to pass a little bit back to mom because she was managing him for a long time, right? That she.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was.

[Eric Eddings]

That was that, like, her role in the family.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So the timing of the events has led some to speculate that the thefts were retaliation for the proceedings of the sex tape. The matter was settled out of court in 2009. So, remember, like, the sex tape release? Sonia was never here for that tape.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah, I mean, come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's a black mama. And she was like, I'm not getting on board.

[Eric Eddings]

Uh, that ain't that type of publicity they want to talk about at. At church, at the Usher board meeting,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

you know, especially since they made Brandi's image so squeaky clean to the point where she basically had to have a baby like the Virgin Mary, where she was like, no, God touched my stomach. That's how I got pregnant. Y' all don't worry about it, okay? I'm doing Cinderella. Like, I'm Cinderella. Y' all don't. Don't worry about how I had a baby.

[Eric Eddings]

She was like, Whitney's supposed to be like, play niece or something like that in the good times. In Whitney's good times. So, like, yeah, they had her real squeaky clean.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And then Ray J dated Whitney, right? And he released the voice messages that Kim left on his phone when she found out that he was two timing with Whitney Houston.

[Eric Eddings]

Now, I'm not lying. Those were funny. Those were hilarious. I was not, actually. I've been mad at Kim for a bunch of things, but that was. She was. Her timing was excellent right then.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It really was.

[Eric Eddings]

She needs to be that funny. In the show, in the Hulu show,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

they used to give us some little jokes, some little jokey jokes and whatnot over there. But, no, you're absolutely right. It's interesting to see all the backstory and the entanglement and how long they've known each other and how all of this ties in. And so I obviously can't confirm or deny the things that Ray J's alleging on or the things that the Kardashians have alleged. But the fact that they were so intertwined and that they definitely stole money to invest in their businesses kind of leads me to, like, he might not be lying about all of it.

[Eric Eddings]

When Ray J did that presentation on Live, he was wearing latex gloves. He goes out of his way consistently to look as ridiculous as possible. He does not care. And I think that, like, if you're going to be the person who makes the presentation on Live, or like, whatever. Whatever we were watching all that time then, like, you gotta have some receipts. I don't think that's a thing you do. I don't think you look that ridiculous at times and lie true.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And he had a lot of receipts and he was coming with the screenshots he was coming with the hard drive. And it's like he held onto for, you know, damage control for, like 14

[Eric Eddings]

years, a long time. And it. And really, like, there were a lot of opportunities to have done this at other points that probably would have netted him more, like, than whatever this has. I don't know actually what his goal was. I think they're too big now, the Kardashians personally.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. At this time now he's just funneling into their empire because he's like, they're like, great, we have another episode. They're like, we got more content for the Hulu joint now. Thank you so much, Ray J. Appreciate it.

[Eric Eddings]

And this is not about to drive his storyline on love and hip hop or like, or Zeus network. If you go do another special or something, like, come on, like, Ray J, I wish you would have dropped the receipts a little bit. You should have done it, like, two years ago.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I think he was still benefiting financially. Not as much, obviously. But then once that dried up, he's like, well, I don't have any choice but to release it and try to drum up some more attention on my side.

[Eric Eddings]

And for Wesford, I think that's a part of why I am, like, I've been disappointed in him, like, recently. Like, he is a person who will do anything for the bit to create another storyline to get a little more attention. But, like. And I was even kind of with him a little bit, you know, for the. Just the fuckery of it all. Like when he did the presentation on live, that shit was. That was. That was good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love mess.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah, that was good mess.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love mess.

[Eric Eddings]

But, like, I feel like it's also started to, like, take the turn since then in a way that, like, I'm like, Ray J, I want to be like, pull, pull back. Just pull back just a little bit, fam. You know, like, his whole, like, I think his saddling up to Kanye, you know, and like, the folks who Kanye is associating with right now. White supremacy, the clan. Yeah, yeah. Like anti Semitic, you know, like icons, you know, I don't think that, like, one that's not about to work for Kanye. He's not going to take the Kardashians.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's already been not working. He lost a billion dollars in.

[Eric Eddings]

Blown his whole life up. And him just kind of hanging around with them and, like, going. Going to like, the Candace Owens thing. Like, I just feel like he doesn't realize that he is like, look, the Raycon global business. I'm sure is some type of good. I've heard he actually legit. Folks do be buying those earbuds, but that money gonna drive real quick, fam, You. You stay out here on this. Kanye. You saw what happened to Kanye. You saw what happened to Kyrie. You see what happened happens to all these folks who out here being stupid

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

for no reason. And I do have a theory about Kyrie Irving. My theory is that he don't want to play basketball no more. And I've been around him in the younger years, and I just never loved his vibe. He was just not very nice. But I will say, like, it feels like he's like, oh, if I don't get the vaccine, I don't gotta play basketball. I hate the vaccine. And then he's like, oh, if I say, if I just post some negative or lies and propaganda about, you know, Jewish people who have been through so much, now I don't have to play basketball again. Like, Kyrie, just retire if you don't want to play basketball.

[Eric Eddings]

I actually want to believe that, but I feel like Kyrie is a hotep.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, for sure. The hotep showed up outside of the Brooklyn Nets, like, where they play, and did the most embarrassing thing that I. That also embarrassed me as a black person. I was like, I know y' all ain't out here lying.

[Eric Eddings]

If I was honest, if I was, I'm not a Q, I'm not Greek. But, like, if I was a Q, I would have been pissed because it was always, like, purple and gold, purple and gold, as far as I can see.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And if you don't know what a Q is, it's Omega Sci Fi. It's a historically black fraternity, and their colors are purple and gold, and from afar, it looked like the Qs.

[Eric Eddings]

Yes. And so I would have been pissed if I'm. I know the black Hebrew Israelites to be the folks who are, like, in the robes. They, like, wear kind of like old school robes and, like, more. What's the way to say that? Traditional garbs. That's what I'm used to. So to see them in, like, hoodies, like, purple and gold hoodies, I was just like, huh? But no, that hotel gene is strong,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

and I'm in no way defending Kyrie. Like, I was more making the joking bit of, like, this man just don't want to play basketball. And, like. And he's ignorant as hell. He's definitely one of those, like, I get my information off Reddit and YouTube and then I speak it to millions of people as if it's fact. And he's red pilling a lot of people, and it's sad. Yeah.

[Eric Eddings]

I mean, that's. And again, to bring it back to Ray J. That is why I'm disappointed in him right now. Because this ain't the way, Ray.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This ain't the way, Ray.

[Eric Eddings]

Come on now. Sonya taught you better than this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Stop embarrassing your mama like this. This is very embarrassing.

[Eric Eddings]

Brandi be staying low.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know she does. And I know she's like, oh, not again. And he's been doing that her whole career. She's like, oh, my God, please.

[Eric Eddings]

There have been times where I think Brandi, like, low key, loved a mess. She would pop. There were a few times she did not have to pop up on love and hip hop. And she was there. She was in the storyline intricately.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So she's never been involved in the stuff that has been deplorable, so.

[Eric Eddings]

But would you want to give Ray J any power over your career? Any. Any power to affect the pr?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, that's her little brother, though. Like, it's hard when you got a little sibling and they start wreaking havoc it because it's still your little sibling, but yikes.

[Eric Eddings]

I'mma donate to the GoFundMe behind the scenes. I'mma let you recoup our credit card losses from the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But I'm b. I ain't in it. I ain't.

[Eric Eddings]

I ain't showing up to film. I'm sorry. I can't do it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Absolutely not. Because that brings us to the saddest part of the show. The end where I have to let Eric go. But before we do that, this is a long one. Y' all enjoyed. Scammer of the. This is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy or maybe not of our praise. We'll see. Today we're talking about a New York City principal who not only kept her job, but was given a raise after she was convicted of car insurance fraud and demonstrated a pattern of dishonesty. So, Anitha Swinton, wow. She does get principal energy. Like, she's. She's definitely telling us to line up, put a bubble in our mouths.

[Eric Eddings]

Also, she, like, her, like, natural hair YouTube game is strong. Like, it's strong. She follows all the right channels. It looks. Looks moisturized. Looks healthy. Shout out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, it might be a wig. It's given wig at that part. But it doesn't matter because it's still laid. Like, I love it. Okay. She's 43. She was a former acting principal of Port Richmond High school in Staten island. And she was given a sweetheart deal to stay on despite criminal findings that she lost 600 Department of Education printers. I love that. We were talking. I was talking about a fax machine earlier, and she done lost 600. Printers. Printers. Printers, laptops and computers, that is.

[Eric Eddings]

Folks. Folks are brazen, man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was what we said, steal from your job. She took some office supplies. Yes. It's giving Janelle James on Abbott for sure.

[Eric Eddings]

Like, goodness, that is. That is what's coming Season two, like,

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

so a sweetheart deal is an agreement in which one party presents another party with an offer so attractive that it's hard to turn it down.

[Eric Eddings]

Down.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was also found to have improperly funneled $100,000 in school funds to a vendor while principal at her previous school. Instead of being fired, the deal was given to her as an UN. Like, she got an unspecified position in the Office of Safety and Youth development with a $187,000 salary plus benefits, which is $25,000 more than what her salary was in 2018 when she was arrested for fraud. I love this. A black queen. We love to see people fight. She must have been a good principal.

[Eric Eddings]

She clearly understands the economics of the education industry. Like, goodness, she knew where to pull from.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Invaluable. Especially in Staten Island. That's not a place where a lot of black people are and definitely not a place where the black people are

[Eric Eddings]

liked and are known for getting over. Like, well, I mean, maybe back in the Wu Tang days, but like, you know, like, I don't think. I don't think she was in the Shaolin. Like, goodness, she went to that school. She went to the Shaolin so School. She bought that RZA book. Did you write like a 48 laws

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

of power or something? Well, apparently it must be a good read, cuz sis is up there. She did it right? During proceedings, one found time to open a website for her own fashion brand, OB Design. Okay. And the fashion is fashioning.

[Eric Eddings]

This is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow, this woman has got talent.

[Eric Eddings]

Okay, ready for the Wakanda Forever premiere? I would say that one.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She was like, look, the school board invested in my fashion label. That's all.

[Eric Eddings]

This is also. This is just like a very different vibe, you know what I'm saying? Like the picture you showed her principal picture is like, she's wearing just like a simple button down, like, like maybe some beauty supply earrings. But in the other picture, everybody's like, people. Is that like. I don't even. It's a brooch. I don't know what to Call the top garment.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And it's beautiful. She's got on this hat. Her face is beat. These earrings are giving.

[Eric Eddings]

Like, these look handmade. Like, I like goodness. Her scams. The levels.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The levels. The talent jumped out. So Ellen McHugh, co president of the citywide Council on Special Education, asked in quotes, why would you continue to A, trust her, B, put her in charge of any sort of student development. Who does she know? You sound like a hater, Ellen.

[Eric Eddings]

Yeah, I mean, clearly, she's. She tapped in.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She deployed. Tapped in. Onea was first exposed for insurance scams in 2017. She had used a friend and former Co Workers, Pennsylvania address to register her Lexus, though she lived in New York, which saved her up to $4,000 a year in insurance premiums. Okay, I might have to do that. I don't. I don't see.

[Eric Eddings]

This one is the freshest woman alive. You showed me another picture.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's sitting here.

[Eric Eddings]

Some very good J's. And like, I. I don't know if this is like a dress or romper situation, but it's fresh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Excuse me. Janelle Monae. Like, is she a stylist?

[Eric Eddings]

Like, I don't know. It's working. She was doing better than Kim was back in the today.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. The backdrop is giving, like, I'm not mad. So she was charged with six felony counts and after a guilty plea, was sentenced to three years probation and $7,000 in fines and restitution, which, I mean, she registered a car somewhere else. Like, insurance companies are a scam as well. I'm not mad. Additionally, she apparently wasn't a very good principal. No, I thought she was a good principal. She violated DOE rules to cut ties with the City University of New York honors program without consulting parents. So she didn't cut people off. She was like, do y' all play ball or guess what? Ain't nobody coming to y' all school no more.

[Eric Eddings]

As a parent, I just gotta be straight up. Gifted and talented programs and honors programs do not work. They are not built for. They're not built to create equitable school environments. This. She is not sounding too bad.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not.

[Eric Eddings]

I'm kind of with it, you know, scamming in education. I don't. You know, I want the babies to get the money that they need to have the education that they need.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Need.

[Eric Eddings]

But what is. What did she do after she canceled the contract? I want the people need to know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She also imposed lax grading and grade promotion policies and hire teachers without classes to assign them. So she was like, y' all pull up. Don't worry about where y' all gonna work at, but just pull up to the school. 8am Definitely do the morning breakfast duty. We'll figure out what you're gonna teach. Geometry, socio something. Just come to the school. Also, the lax grading policies.

[Eric Eddings]

I mean, I. Again, I think she is understanding the challenges facing students, parents today. She understands mutual aid.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Raiden can be very biased. Also racially biased.

[Eric Eddings]

Like, she understands that schools could be doing more. And she said, you know what? We gonna do more, we're gonna do the most.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

However, Onetha's exploits weren't just limited to her time at Port Richmond. Before joining Port Richmond as interim principal In June of 2017, Onetha served as a principal at John Jay School School for Law in Brooklyn since 2010. While there, she paid a total of $100,000 to Tanya John a Doe vendor in the Bronx. Kickback city, honey. The money was reportedly spent on Saturday retreats and retreats and quotes and overnight college trips. Investigators say that sounds like enrichment. A Saturday retreat, going to college and doing. I used to host overnights when I was a tour guide, and now the kids are getting a college experience.

[Eric Eddings]

And, hey, I went to Howard. I went on a college visit. I went through, like, a nonprofit. They took me to Howard. We visit. I was like, oh, this is great. I didn't want to go to college before. I went to go to college after.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So, hey, Onetha, I mean, while she enjoys her new position, she continues to post on her large hats and designs to her Instagram page, OB Design. How many followers you got? She got 6,026. 74. Okay. She popping a little bit. Yeah, no, she has a job. She did. She. And she thrived. She got a raise.

[Eric Eddings]

Yo, this is fascinating. And, like, let's be honest about education. I'm surprised she doesn't have a charter school somewhere because, you know, like, anybody could get a charter school nowadays. Like, I could get a charter school tomorrow. And so, like, the fact that, like, she is still out here thriving, I am trying to understand who got hurt by this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, let's think. I stan her.

[Eric Eddings]

She's improving education. I need more details. Cause, like, right now, what you've given

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

me, this feels like it's giving.

[Eric Eddings]

This feels like a good scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Well, y', all, that brings us to the end of an amazing episode. Eric, we always ask, where would you like to be found? Social, Is there anything you want to plug?

[Eric Eddings]

I just honestly, I try to be out here supporting, you know, the shows on the Citizen Earwolf network. So you can. You won't see me out a whole lot but you can find me on Twitter. Twitter jeddings. You can find me on Instagram. I really mostly just be posting pictures of my kids at E eddings.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes.

And if you want to find me D I V A L A C I D valacy on all platforms. If you want to see these photos, Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram and on Twitter. And lastly, snitch on your friends, your family, your enemies and your neighbors at Scam got us [e-mail] congregation I mean keep investing with other people's money even when they don't know.

[Eric Eddings]

Now that you say it, it sounds like a Ponzi scheme.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It is.

[Eric Eddings]

Oh whoops. Bernie Madoff. But this woman is great. She's going places.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She's going places. Literally.

This has been an Airwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle.

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