Fraud Friday: RazzleCON: The Rapping Crypto Criminal w/ Jabari Davis

Summary

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Scam Goddess – Fraud Friday: RazzleCON: The Rapping Crypto Criminal w/ Jabari Davis

Podcast: Scam Goddess
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Jabari Davis
Date: October 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Fraud Friday classic dives into the wild, nearly unbelievable story of Heather Morgan (aka “RazzleCON”) and her husband Ilya Lichtenstein—a rapping CEO duo who found themselves at the heart of the largest crypto asset seizure in DOJ history ($4 billion in Bitcoin). With comedian/writer Jabari Davis, host Laci Mosley explores how two unqualified, internet-obsessed antiheroes managed to bungle their way through the world’s biggest virtual bank heist, leaving a trail of cringey rap videos, streetwear, and digital receipts behind. Between their outlandish genre-bending side hustles and masterclass in white-collar incompetence, the episode finds plenty of laughs in True Con while raising bigger questions about money, privilege, and the limits of hustle.

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Key Discussion Points

Scam Culture and Personal Hustle

• Laci's Recovery & Opener [02:01]
  • Laci opens up about her recent medical ordeal, humorously recounting her multi-hour ER wait, and ties it to the theme of “scammy” healthcare.
  • Laci: “I want to be a weak Black queen. Lip wrist. But here I am—your girl on pain medication and vibes.” [07:15]
• Jabari’s Scam Roots [07:49]
  • Jabari reflects on growing up “scam-adjacent” in Southern California and faking it till he made it:
  • Jabari: “Half [my family] are law-abiding citizens, and the other half… well, they got a hustle.” [08:14]
  • Faked credentials got him into media via Google, grit, and improvisation—demonstrating that all “scams” aren’t created equal.
• “Fake Until You Make It”—Talent vs. Trickery [08:38]
  • Both agree skill and nerve often matter more than real credentials, reframing some hustles as audacity and adaptation.

What’s Hot in Fraud: The “Dollar Lottery” Letter

• A listener’s (Ralph) coworker wants to crowdsource $1 from people online, turning it into a personal lottery. Laci and Jabari debate if it’s a scam or just a goofy hustle.
  • Laci: “If you ask people for a dollar, that’s not a scam. If there’s a promise of $10,000 for life, it’s giving pyramid scheme!” [13:32]
  • Jabari: “If you fall for, ‘give me a dollar, maybe you’ll win $10K,’ you kinda deserve what you get.” [13:39]

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Main Segment: Historic Hoodwinks – The Case of RazzleCON

[20:37]

The Cast: Who Are RazzleCON and Ilya Lichtenstein?

• Heather Morgan: A self-proclaimed persuasion expert, entrepreneur, writer, streetwear designer, and notably, a cringe rapper (“RazzleCON”).
• Ilya Lichtenstein: Russian-born startup founder with an investment from Mark Cuban, much less online but deeply involved in the con.
• The odd couple met in Silicon Valley, married in extravagant fashion (she was carried down to ‘The Final Countdown’ in a Moroccan palanquin), and lived in a $1M Wall Street apartment as “serial entrepreneurs.”

The RazzleCON Persona – Comedy or Delusion?

• Laci and Jabari dissect clips of Heather’s rap videos—off-beat, obtuse, and “serious, not comedy.”
  • Laci: “Sis, not you starting the TED Talk with a rap song. You are in witness protection from the beat!” [24:30]
  • Jabari on audience diversity: “We’re not in this crowd... He’s letting me down, for the fellow big brothers.” [23:45]
• Heather’s fashion and public persona is torn apart: “Is she cold? Is she hot? Is she at a quinceañera?”

The $4 Billion Bitcoin Heist

• In 2016, 120,000 Bitcoins ($66M then, almost $4B now) were stolen in a Hong Kong crypto exchange hack. The couple somehow ended up in possession of 95,000 of those BTC.
• Laci: “They came up on a significant amount of coins. Who did y’all know who stole this?” [43:55]
• Their laundering plan? Use the blacklisted Bitcoin to buy $500 Walmart gift cards—painfully slow and obviously suspicious.
  • Jabari: “They laundering with quarters. How’d they have the smarts to pull this off, but none to run?” [45:32]
• The pair tried to orchestrate global money laundering, met Ukrainian operatives, yet kept posting their lives—and rap videos—online.

“How Not to Be a Crook”

• The couple meticulously labeled incriminating documents (“burner phone” bag, folders titled “Personas” and “passport ideas”) and used cloud storage for laundering guides.
  • Jabari (channeling The Wire): “You taking notes on a criminal conspiracy, bro?” [50:36]
  • Laci: “You’ve got receipts for your crime? Are y’all on crazy crap?” [50:47]
• Alerts from their internet provider tipped them the DOJ was onto them, yet they continued to buy gift cards and post on social media.
• At arrest, Heather tried to “get her cat” (really: lock her phone) and wrestled the feds. $40,000 in cash, hollowed-out books, burner phones, and labeled bags were all seized.
• Their level of delusion, incompetence, and privilege left both hosts slack-jawed:
  • Jabari: “These are the dumbest crooks I’ve ever heard of. Why so public when you’re sitting on a stolen fortune?” [48:12]
  • Laci: “If Scam Goddess drops off the map, just know I hit a lick and I’m gone!”

Notable Quotes from the RazzleCON Saga

• Laci: “She called herself Turkish Martha Stewart, but—sis, you’re not even from Turkey!” [31:42]
• Jabari: “She’s got Ren & Ten vibes—from Brown Sugar: ‘I rip and I rhyme…’” [35:10]
• Laci: “She looks so free, and I’m jealous. I want this level of delusion!” [33:49]
• Jabari: “If you have ‘guru’ in your name, you’re full of—” [37:43]
• Laci: “They rapping and doing tiktoks while laundering $4 billion—why be online?” [47:13]

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Scammer of the Week [64:24–78:30]

Reverend Emmanuel Lemson: Priest, Hedge Fund Hustler

• A “short and distort” scam: Emmanuel Lemson, Orthodox priest and hedge fund manager, shorted stocks and then publicly trashed a San Diego pharma company. He made $1.3M.
• Jabari: “Was this a long con? Did he become a priest just to seem reputable?” [66:18]
• They critique the ethics of preachers with big houses/cars, compare pastors to “pimps on the pulpit,” and question why clergy can’t simply be comfortable rather than exploitative.
  • Laci: “You can love God and money, as long as you don’t hurt people!” [70:53]
• Video breakdown of Lemson in his Boston mansion, rolling up to church in a Benz, feeding babies communion wine, and reading the Bible’s first and last page for show.
• Takeaway: in 2020s fraud, one hustle isn’t enough—every scammer moonlights as a rapper, priest, or influencer.

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Memorable Moments & Laughter Highlights

• Laci describing the ER:
  • “They’re just coming in to check if you’re still alive. Like, put her back—she’s fine!” [04:08]
• On laundering with gift cards:
  • “Y’all at a laundromat—you laundering with quarters!” [45:32]
• On crime evidence:
  • “Burner phone in a labeled bag? What are you—crime for TV?” [55:07]
• On snitching:
  • “She put her husband under several buses—she must have flipped, full Simone Biles!” [61:21]
• On “guru” titles:
  • “I feel like you could only be a guru before the internet. Now, that’s just delinquency with branding!” [37:56]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 02:01 | Laci’s medical story / ER healthcare as a scam | | 07:49 | Jabari’s scam-adjacent roots & fake-it-till-you-make-it| | 10:14 | Listener letter: “Is my coworker’s $1 lottery a scam?”| | 20:37 | Main story: RazzleCON & the $4B Bitcoin theft | | 24:30 | Heather Morgan’s raps & public persona drag | | 37:30 | Revelation of the $4 billion figure & laundering tricks| | 48:49 | The couple’s criminal blunders—gift cards, cloud, etc.| | 54:05 | The arrest – cat distraction and labeled crime gear | | 64:24 | Scammer of the Week: Reverend Lemson, the priest/hedge fund scam| | 70:53 | The morality of religious wealth—preachers and profits|

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• The RazzleCON case is a masterclass in how not to do white-collar crime: maximum hubris, minimal foresight, and peak entitlement. Their “rap career” and TikTok oversharing, coupled with novice laundering methods, made them a punchline and a cautionary tale.
• Privilege enables all kinds of audacity—even (especially?) criminal.
• There are whole genres of crime stories that are absurd, bumbling, and strangely captivating—proof you CAN “laugh at fraud” when nobody gets physically hurt.
• Every scammer in 2020s America needs a side gig, whether as a rapper, wellness coach, or megachurch leader.

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Find the Hosts

• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms
• Jabari Davis: Twitter: @JabariDavisNBA
  Projects on 19mediagroup.com, upcoming iHeart shows.

Closing

• For more wild scam tales, snitch on friends/family ([e-mail]) after they retire the scam.
• As always, Congregation: Stay Schemin’!

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Tone: Candid, irreverent, observational, full of playful roasting and incisive cultural commentary

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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And always stay scheming.

Robbery and Fraud. Scam. Robbery and fraud. What's poppin? Congregation welcome back to another installment of Scam Goddess.

It's your girl, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess.

And I'm here, y', all, giving all the energy I have left. Your girl had operation. Maybe I'll talk about that a little bit in the beginning. But guys, I'm always as what? I'm what? Yes, I'm excited. I'm very excited. Ecstatic. We have a member, a self proclaimed member of the congregation here today, which I always love to hear. Cause then you know it's gonna be a good snapping time, honey. He's a talented writer, host and producer. He hosts the Jab step podcast on 19 Media Group Network. Also, he's the content producer for Miles and Jack Got Boosties. An NBA podc. Yes. Okay. Congregation, please welcome Jabari Davis to the show.

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, Lacey. Thank you so much for having me. Like I mentioned to you in the beginning, I'm a member of the congregation, so this is an honor.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I love this. I was saying I had. I don't know if you know what uterine fibroids are, Jabari. They're benign tumors. A lot of black women have them. It's, like, over 80% of black women get them. But maybe you, like, don't notice you have them, or maybe you do. But mine, one was the size of, like, a kiwi. They love to explain everything in terms of fruit, so they were really, really big. I had, like, a small procedure just to cut off the blood supply called an embolization. And then that shit went left. And I woke up one day and, like, could barely walk. And so, of course, my dumb ass. I waited, like, three days, like, literally canceling recordings, like, hobbling around my house, like, crying to get to my kitchen from my bedroom. And, you know, strong black woman child. Wow. A scam. And I'm trying to be weak. I want to be a weak black queen. Okay. Lip, wrist. But so I finally went to the hospital. My good friend Mary drove me to the hospital. Shout out to Mary. And when I got to the hospital, I went to cedar side, and I was supposed to be the bougie hospital, but I don't know where Beyonce be having her emergencies, but it most certainly wasn't the emergency room that I was in, because I waited, Dwight. No lie. I waited five hours to get to the VIP of the hospital. I was waiting out in the lobby.

[Jabari Davis]

You didn't hit him with. Do you know who I am? Or any of that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Nothing, child. No. The healthcare professionals are so overworked. I was just trying to be as nice as possible, and it got to a point where, like, when I hobbled up hour four and a half, they were like, okay, we're gonna get you in. We're gonna get you. When we know you've been waiting. We know you've been waiting because, you know. So I have never been in the ER that long. So after a while, like, when you first get into the er, they kind of make it cute, like, you get in, you go in, they check your blood pressure, they ask you what your symptoms are. Da, da, da, da, da. They kind of assess if you need to be moved up the list. So then they sent my ass back to the Waiting room. And because I had been there for so many hours once they. They called my name again. And then I was like, price is right. Like, doo doo, doo, doo. Like, I was like, it's my time. And then I. You know, I hobbled up there, like, yeah, please treat me. And they're like, oh, no, we just doing a vitals check, bruh. I was there so long, they started doing checks to just make sure you alive. I'm saying, and you're not dying in the ER Waiting room, they just come in and check your vitals. They're like, all right, she's still alive. Put her back. Put her back over there. And I was like, damn. So then I started thinking I was there with my homegirl. I was like, man, maybe we should drive me to the end of the block, and then I can call the ambulance. And then I could come in here on some wee woo, wee woo shit, like, on the stretcher. And I was gonna come in, you know, hollering, like, my neck, my back, my neck and my back. And we laughed about this and kind of just sat there for maybe, like, half an hour more. And then somebody came in on a stretcher from the ambulance. And I was so jealous. I was like, oh, my God, look at them, like, on that stretcher. They about to go straight back to vip.

[Jabari Davis]

And that's when you honestly, I'm here for that energy. That's when you got to get your true scam goddess on. If they aren't. If they are not matching what you need, you know, take it in your own hands at that point.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. That's what I thought to do. But then. So this woman comes in on the stretcher. I'm sizing her up because I'm so jealous. She about to get that healthcare that I want. And I was like, oh, she don't look like she dying that much. Damn, I should have really did it. I should have pulled over. So why they. They roll this woman in, and then all of a sudden, the stretcher, like, takes a turn in front of me in the chairs that I'm sitting out. Jabari, why did they unload this woman off the ambulance stretcher into a chair in the waiting room?

[Jabari Davis]

They said, no, we not falling for the okie doke, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Not y' all shaking her off like. Like she a cookie on a hot pan and talking about, wait right here. You ain't. You ain't got that much of an emergency. Not the uber ambulance. I was so hurt for her.

[Jabari Davis]

And for me, I'm saying, well, did You. Was she still there waiting when you finally got back, or was she able to, you know, kind of slide her way in?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I don't have. I should have better hater energy. Cause I didn't clock her much longer than that to see if she went before me. But I. That they did dump her out in a chair and make her wait. And I was like, damn, sis, you had it all added up. You had the plan fully ready, came in on the stretcher, and they still put you in the waiting room. I was like, damn, anyone can get it right. But I mean, the hospital's overwhelming. I'm not complaining about the people who work in the hospital. I was just like, damn, it was a bitch. But finally I got in, I got a CAT scan and they were like, yeah, girl, we're gonna get you some surgery. And I was like, okay, I have work to do. They were like, yeah, that's cute, but you need a body to do that. So here I am on pain medication.

[Jabari Davis]

And vibes shout out to you for honestly playing through. Like, you are literally a wounded warrior. I'll be honest, even though we're just sitting here podcasting, I don't think I would have been able to make it. So honestly, props to you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know for a little bit I couldn't make it to the living room, which is tragic. When you have to cancel things and it's like in your living room. It's truly tragic. I mean, in my office, but still just a couple hobbles away, couldn't make it. But we here a little detour there. Up top. But Jarai always asks, you know, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could be anything, a story, whatever.

[Jabari Davis]

You got, I'll be up front. You, you grow up in Southern California. I grew up in the Los Angeles area. You're going to be, you're going to be scam adjacent at the very least. And I, I come from a big country family where, you know, I was the first generation that like, literally wasn't raised on the farm. And I would say, I would say half of the folks are law abiding citizens and, you know, take care of business and the other half, okay, they may have a day gig, but they also have a hustle of some sort of. And it just, it just kind of is what it is, quite frankly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Amen.

[Jabari Davis]

We're sitting here right now because I, you know, because I got my scam on. I didn't have a background in journalism. I didn't have a background in radio. I didn't have a background in any of that. And I started a website and basically within a year, ended up, you know, with an internship that got me hired by USA Today. And one thing led to another and here. And here we are. So I'm very familiar with scamming, or, you know, as you, I guess you could say, fake it till you make it, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And Ja', Marri, I mean, when you got talent, is it really faking it? I mean, let's think about it. Nobody was born with a background in anything. You know, we all came into the earth backgroundless and with no things.

[Jabari Davis]

This is true. But I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I know exactly what you mean. I'm being facetious, but.

[Jabari Davis]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I'm gonna tell you what I'm saying. Yeah, give me an example.

[Jabari Davis]

My second internship, Sheridan Hoops, it's now defunct, but shout out to y', all, you know, whatever y' all are doing, they asked me, hey, do you. We need a. We need a. A producer. Can you do that? Of course I can, yeah. Google how. What is a podcast? Producer. What is a podcast? It was straight like that. I had to teach myself all of it on the fly. They were patient enough because they didn't have anybody else to do it. And like I said, here we are.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They hired you because they didn't know nothing about producers. So clearly you figured it out. And Google is free. And right there, I don't know, it sounds good to me. You were like Google, like producer. Okay, step one. Headphones. Okay. Get on Amazon. Get some of those. Yeah. No, I love it. I love this for you. That's a good scam. And you turned it into a coin making career.

[Jabari Davis]

Here we are. Here we are.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love to see it. Love to see it. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What is hot? And fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about fraud that's popping on the streets. And more often than not these days, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and [e-mail] Jabari. I need a fake name for this person. We don't care about gender. And as always, guys, make sure your scams are retired. We don't want to. Yes. Fuck up your back. Okay. Don't send it to me while you still doing it. I'm not trying to get in the way. Getting in the way of what? You stealing not trying to do that, but. Right. What you got? Give me a fake name. Don't matter gender.

[Jabari Davis]

Let's go with Ralph.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ralph.

[Jabari Davis]

Ralph. Mr. Tres. Van. If you're nasty.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, oh. If you're nasty. Ralph. Yes. So Ralph says. Actually, I'm gonna pause for one second because I do have one question, one follow up question for you. Right? So you say your family is country. They from the country of California or they like from the. Where y' all from?

[Jabari Davis]

Country. Backwoods. Louisiana. Northern Louisiana.

[Lacey Mosley]

Where?

[Jabari Davis]

Faraday. Faraday, Louisiana.

[Lacey Mosley]

Faraday. Okay. I've heard of Faraday. I have family. Naked. Ish.

[Jabari Davis]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And we like to go to the boat.

[Jabari Davis]

Everybody in Louisiana is related one way or another. I'm just gonna tell you that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly, we're probably cousins. We're probably cousins. I also have a big country family and played a lot barefoot and definitely did not send my DNA to ancestry.com because too many of my cousins got strike. We now play those games.

[Jabari Davis]

That's an away game. I. I can appreciate not playing that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Y' all not gonna give me y' all. No DNA evidence. But so Ralph. Not to be confused with the store Ralph's, which, you know, when Ralph's named their store Ralph's, did they know that they were gonna be ratchet? I feel like some people have to know they're like planning a ratchet business because Ralph's just doesn't sound like a classy place to get food. I go there, but it just doesn't sound like Whole Foods.

I'll.

[Jabari Davis]

I'll be honest with you now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Back in the.

[Jabari Davis]

Back in the day, growing up in, you know, growing up in the LA area, Ralph's used to be, you know, pretty nice. It was kind of like the upstanding place. You know, you. You go to Ralph's, you know, Ralph's Pavilions or whatever. But most recently, the last time matter, you know, I'm in. I'm in Tucson now, but the last time I was in la, I went into a Ralph's. And you're right, it kind of does resemble Food for Less. And you know, no disrespect, shadows all love the Food for Less, but it kind of does resemble that now.

[Lacey Mosley]

And listen, I love some Food for Less. It's nothing about the vibes. It's just like the clientele has really, you know, you go outside the Ross, you be like holding your purse and putting all your keys between your fingers, looking left and right and left and right again. Neck hurt. When you get home from being vigilant.

[Jabari Davis]

They offering you food and entertainment. Okay, you just never know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, entertainment and maybe a workout. You might have to run from somebody. So unless they sponsor a podcast, I'm like, ralph, get your produce there.

[Jabari Davis]

The best. Shout out to Ralph. Shout out to you, Ralph.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Ralph says, hi, Lacey. Love you, love the show. Oh, thank you, Ralph. So my co worker, Kevin. Kevin sounds like a scammer. He asked a question at lunch today and I wanted to run it by you as a scam expert in my life. Is. Amen. Is it a scam if he just asked people online for a dollar, no strings attached? Does it become a scam if he asks for a dollar and then that dol enters them into a giveaway to potentially win $10,000 every year for the rest of their life? Okay, Ralph.

[Jabari Davis]

There'S a lot going on. There is the scam, actually the thing, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You started with just asking for a dollar and then it became okay. Now what if Kevin runs his own personal lottery? Like we went from $1 to $10,000 for the rest of your life. Really quickly there, I'm gonna say if you ask people for a dollar, it's not a scam. If you ask them for a do that, you're going to pay up 10. I mean, if you pay them, I guess we could all be our own lottery shit.

[Jabari Davis]

That's like Nigerian email level scam. Like, let's be honest, if you're falling for that, quite frankly, you deserve it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Taxes and fees.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah, if you fall for, hey, if you give me a dollar, you might win 10,000, then you kind of deserve what you get. I'm not feeling sorry for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's just nothing to hold us hold you accountable. Because if I go give a dollar scratch off to the state lottery, the girls do have to run me my little coins if. But like, who's to say that? Kevin? How do I know I won? Kevin, like, are you giving out lottery tickets? Are you giving out little raffle tickets? How do I know if I won?

[Jabari Davis]

You're not winning with Kevin. Kevin's taking your dollar and moving on about his life. I can appreciate that energy. And I guess if you have no problem asking a thousand people for a dollar, cool.

[Lacey Mosley]

But yeah, and a dollar is not much to miss. He said he figures if he gets a million people to give him a dollar, he could invest and then pay out the giveaway from part of the interest that he earns. It was a win win for everyone involved and therefore not a scam. The rest of us are pretty sure it's not legal to make your own lottery. What do you think? Thanks. I don't think I've ever got a letter like this, which makes me laugh.

[Jabari Davis]

Like, so he is. He has entered pyramid scheme style. Now, like, this is not. Yeah, let me take back a little bit of what I said before. I was dissing. I was dissing the scam. But actually, you know, there are layers to it, there are levels to it. So look, I don't think you're gonna really get very far on it. And, you know, it is what it is. But if you can. If you can convince even 20 people to get it to give you a dollar, I guess you're $20 up, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And Kevin, if you wanna do a Facebook live at home show on lotto, who am I to say no? Now, liability wise, I did not tell you this was legal. This sounds like a gray area to me. But if you wanna ask people for a dollar and they give you a dollar, like, nobody's gonna miss a dollar. You know, Most people won't miss a dollar.

[Jabari Davis]

So Kevin, running the numbers, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's giving. I would say pyramid scheme, too, but a pyramid scheme, the defining factor of that would be if he was like, y' all give me a dollar, and then y' all get 10 of yalls friends to give you a dollar and then bring them in on the dollar pyramid. A very low pyramid, low stakes pyramid scheme. Which in that case I would say, I mean, try it. Uh, the thing that always makes me laugh. And I tweet about this, like during the pandemic, which now is two years ago when it started. But people will get on Twitter and post their gofundmes on viral tweets? And here's the thing about that, guys. Like, can y' all at least kind of look at the tweet that you're posting your gofundme on to see if the vibe is right. Because sometimes the viral sweet be like, I've been lonely for so long, my hairbrush starting to look good to me. And then, you know, it's got 250,000 likes. And then you underneath like, hey, y', all, my. My grand niece got hit by several buses. Anything helps. And it's like, I just feel like you shouldn't of this tweet.

[Jabari Davis]

I get that. I'll be honest with you. I don't. Let me say I don't go viral all the time, but I get people posting that under my link, you know, under my links or my tweets or whatnot. And I say, do y' all not realize I'm a broke ass podcaster. What am I gonna do for you? I'm not really sure where I can go with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know. I think they're hoping that somebody will read the viral tweet and then hopefully be inclined. So inclined. And I don't know, it must work a little bit because I see people doing it all the time. So maybe it gives you a little bit of traction. Cause it's hard now to get some traction with your GoFundMe. It's too many of them.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah. Literally, when everyone has one, I'll be honest with you, it all kind of blends in. And I say, hey, you know what? I gave it the office.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And it's like GoFundMes used to be. Like, you tell a little story, you maybe provide a photo. I feel like now you gotta have whole videos. Like, we gotta see the traffic cam footage of the grand niece getting hit by several buses. Like, it's like people need a lot more to give.

[Jabari Davis]

Unless I see that video, I'm gonna figure you're trying to pay back, you know, pay back one of those loans.

[Lacey Mosley]

You shouldn't have taken the PPEs.

[Jabari Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not mad at anybody who got a PPE loan. I was just like, well, how did you think it was gonna end? They did call it a loan. They never said it was just like, you could have it and go buy Lamborghinis blue from Pretty Ricky. Nobody said you could just have it. You do have to pay it back.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Paul Scheer]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Jabari Davis]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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And we're back. And it's time for historic hoodwinks. This is where I'm gonna regale Jabari with a famous con caper group of criminals couple, you know, who knows? And we'll get his opinions all throughout. Jabari, interrupt. Anything you have to say. Tangents. We love all things here. So for clarification, Heather Morgan is not nor has ever claimed to be a comedian or have any comedic intentions that's just gonna come into play at some point. So that's just a clarificate. Let's just Clari statement, which makes me Laugh. That's up top, Kaylin. That she's not trying to be funny, which means that she must be hilarious. Good to know. So today we're talking about a rapping former CEO duo that have made international headlines after the DOJ completed the largest asset seizure in history involving $4 billion in Bitcoin.

[Jabari Davis]

I mean, if you gonna. If you're gonna do it good to do it big, big. At the very least, I feel like.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you gonna do it, do it medium so maybe don't get caught.

[Jabari Davis]

I feel like that's a good point. Once you. Once you. Once you cross someone's raid a certain radar, I. I guess you open yourself up. But hey, 4 million right off the bat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

Right. I feel like I'm trying to scam an extra medium. Extra medium to small. Like, not. Not large. Not Excel, you know?

[Jabari Davis]

I got you.

[Lacey Mosley]

So who is Heather Morgan? And El. Yeah. Lichtenstein. So in her own words, Heather Morgan is a software entrepreneur, writer, rapper, CEO, and persuasion expert. That is the strongest rebrand of liar and manipulator that I've ever heard.

[Jabari Davis]

I was just about to ask. What the hell does that even mean? Look, you got to break this stuff down for me. Persuasion expert.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, yeah, she's just an expert in persuasion. You know, whatever you need to be persuaded she can provide. So we have a little video here. Look at her. Okay? We're gonna post the photos of her. She's giving us a strong CEO pose here. I don't. All these clothing items that she's wearing. It looks like she's going to different places.

[Jabari Davis]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

The blazer is giving me, like, a distant cousin's funeral. The shirt is giving me, like 50% off at Delia's.

[Jabari Davis]

Definitely. Wait a second. Are those leggings?

[Lacey Mosley]

They're. I think they're leggings. They're giving fabletics. It's like, are you. Are you going to the gym?

[Jabari Davis]

What's the weather like where you're going?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Are you going to a co worker's daughter's quinceanera? Where are you going? I don't know. So we have a video where she did talk about the topic of being an expert in persuasion a little bit. Let's just play a little bit of that. And I'm seeing that on the title of the PowerPoint where we're about to start. This video is how to social engineer your way into. In all caps, anything. Okay, so she's at some hotel lobby. Oh, she's rapping. Okay, please, please stop. Oh, my God.

[Jabari Davis]

I have One question. What's that brother in the bottom left corner doing there? Cause I was. My comment was gonna be, you notice we not in this crowd. Wait, no. Damn. He let me down. Letting me down. For the fellow big brothers. And on top of that, we can see you, bro.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, he's trying to be a social engineer. He trying to socially engineer his way into the art of being a persuasion expert. Also, like, sis, not you. Starting this TED Talk with your rap song, which I did. Watch the music video. I think we'll have a clip of it. You'll get to see a little bit of it. It's ins. So, miss Girl, miss Morgan, you are so far away from this beat. You.

[Jabari Davis]

She's in New York. The beat was in Wyoming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, girl, you are in witness protection from the beat. Like, you ain't never seen the beat, heard the beat so far off of it. It don't rhyme. What's happening? It's. Ah, okay, Go ahead, Jamari. What were you gonna say? Cause, Lord, so we have the one black man here. Diversity incl.

[Jabari Davis]

I. I need. Honestly, I need. I need more follow up on him. Was he a plant? Did they say. Did they walk outside and go, you want that guy? That. Like, how did he wind up there? That. That's really my main question. And then also, like, what was she rapping about?

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like, you don't need any plants when you're trying to sell something like this. I feel like probably white people would feel more comfortable if there were no people of color in the audience. Like, we got here first. Like, we own the. We on this first. And then it'll trickle down to the minorities. But we need to learn how to be persuasion experts first. So I don't. Yeah, I don't know if people would be like, where are all the black people at this meeting?

[Jabari Davis]

I don't know. I mean, she did lead in with a rap. She let in with a rap and even throw a mofo in there at that, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And it feels like y' all are at an airport Marriott. I don't know if you should just be dropping motherfuckers, like, at the.

[Jabari Davis]

Even though I listened to the show, I was like, wait, can I say that? Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Oh, yeah. We are not safe for work, and everybody knows that. So she even got into streetwear design, which she wore both in her music video as a rapper and to industry events. So she also got into streetwear design. She said Rihanna.

[Jabari Davis]

Oh, stop it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hold, hold, hold my beer. You know, I'm. I'm. I'm Gonna rap, I'm gonna sing, and also gonna put out terrible clothes.

[Jabari Davis]

Her hat is zero fucks. I'm guessing that's what that is. That. That is.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is fantastic. It is.

[Jabari Davis]

Is. Is this a gold sequin jacket over a cheetah prince print? Is that. Is this what we got going on?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, she's gonna gold sequin bomber and then a cheetah print. And then it looks like she has on like a. A T shirt that almost looks like a flannel underneath, like a button up. It's got like three little buttons. It's like, are you cold? Are you hot?

[Jabari Davis]

Did she just basically watch like late 80s and 90s, you know, movies that they featured like what they thought rappers look like, because that's what this. While she really is wearing the leggings.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe she made those leggings. Cause she has them on again and they're fascinating. Cause they have these little sheer panels. But the panels are at the thigh part, which is like not normally where you would want a panel. Like I have thick thighs and I don't want sheerness. Where the. Where the friction. No, not where the friction's happening. I have what we call a thunder thigh. And yeah, I don't. This is a lot. So she's in the thigh thye district of New York posing and rapping in her. In her clothes girl. She's also a clothier. So Heather grew up in Tahama, a town of about 400 people in northern California. She studied economics in school, but ultimately moved to San Francisco to create a marketing firm. Additionally, she spent time in the Middle east working in currency markets. So Elia Lichtenstein was born in Russia in 1987. Though he moved to the US with his parents as a child, he grew up the son of a wealthy mortgage broker in Chicago. So this is Elia with his cat. Okay.

[Jabari Davis]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

As an adult, he co founded a sales company in San Francisco which secured a $1.5 million investment from Mark Cuban and others in the same year. Okay, so he got a little Mavs money behind him.

[Jabari Davis]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

The two tech entrepreneurs met in 2014 when Aaliyah became an advisor to Heather's company. Despite their differences, mostly how their views, having lives on social media, the two married in 2018. Note that her husband Alia didn't embrace social media like Heather did. Well, duh. I mean. Oh, wait, come on. Why are you gonna say he didn't did it? Marina, as soon as I read he didn't embrace social media, she brought up the most bizarre looking tick tock video that we haven't even played. But it's just the way he's laying on this bed. What is happening?

[Jabari Davis]

What is going. Is she gonna be rapping in the background? That's all I'm gonna do.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. But he's laying on the bed like it's Valentine's day. And he bout to surprise BAE like.

[Jabari Davis]

You know, like it's rose petals everywhere.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, it's giving rose petals. He got the knees tucked in. Like it's giving like baddie. Like, you know, pregnancy photo shoot.

[Jabari Davis]

He also has the double collar going. Like, what are we doing here? This is not 2008.

[Lacey Mosley]

And is he on a bed or a pull out or. And then what is going on with this blind situation in the back? I'm so confused. It's a hotel.

[Jabari Davis]

I just don't understand it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can we hit play on this TikTok? I'm scared, but let's just see what's going on.

[Jabari Davis]

You're interested in what I say, record it the first time. Okay. Because I'm not a little wind up little dancing monkey that's going to repeat the exact same thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I'm very confused. There's two trash cans by this pullout. Bad situation.

[Jabari Davis]

And there were multiple. Those were multiple laughs in the background. Like, is there an audience there? What? What? Where is the setting?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, his voice is not what I thought it was gonna sound like.

[Jabari Davis]

I didn't. I was holding off. I was holding off. But as soon as I heard it, I was like, okay, I don't know if I'm allowed to make fun of this guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm just right. I'm like, all right, sir. So as an adult, he co founded a sales company, you know, that got the Mark Cuban's coins. They got married, even though I obviously they're very different. At their wedding in Culver City, her friends carried her down the aisle in a Moroccan plan as the final countdown played. What is a Moroccan plan?

[Jabari Davis]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, she didn't.

[Jabari Davis]

No. Why?

[Lacey Mosley]

And these are her friends. I guess she did spend some time in the Middle East. So maybe she was like, y' all come to my wedding. But also like, is this trans tradition, sis?

[Jabari Davis]

I was gonna say, what type of appropriation is this? And my man is so disgusted by it, he's picking his nose at you in your picture.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I won't lie. It's kind of fire, you know? So I mean. And the final countdown is playing, which is bizarre. Okay. At the reception, she performed her song Turkish Martha Stewart Wait.

[Jabari Davis]

I thought you had video of this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, please, we have a hyperlink of at least the song. Can we hear some of Turkish Mar the steward? Even though. Okay, just blank head. Turkish Martha. Skirt keep going up in her skirt. Been trapping with dessert. Garn Poppy from the dirt.

[Jabari Davis]

There's so much pelvic thrusting going on. There's so much just confusing and still, like. I don't know if she's in Turkey right now, but that beat again is not anywhere.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stir, stir. Why she see stir like that?

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah, like, is she trying to do, like, skirt? Is she trying to do that? Because I kind of thought that's what she was doing, but it still doesn't play, and it doesn't really fit.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you not from Turkey, how are you Turkish? Marza Stewart. You're not from Turkey.

[Jabari Davis]

Wait, she's Russian, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, her husband is Russian. She's from Cali.

[Jabari Davis]

I got nothing. Oh, yeah, I forgot. She's from a small town in Northern California, and she probably tells people she's from the Bay. Even though.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Which equals Turkey. I am confused. You. I'm confusion. Okay, so in early 2018, both Heather and Aaliyah quit their jobs working for large companies. Heather attributed the transition to CEO burnout, which was later cured by discovering her rap Persona, Razzlekon. I know damn well she goes by Razzlekon.

I know.

I know you did not put a con on the end. And it's K H A N. It should be C O N, but it's K H A n. Sweet.

[Jabari Davis]

Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know they told us that a lot of us are related to Genghis, but since this ain't it, you ain't really. Huh? So we have another tic tac. Let's just play a little bit of this. I'm. I'm already tired of Heather. I. I'm exhausted. Okay? So. So don't hate. Cause I look great, smell great, taste great. Don't hate. This ain't a debate. We ain't gonna date even though I make you wanna masturbate. My mouth is a gape.

[Jabari Davis]

I don't have anything for this. Like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you make me wanna masturbate.

[Jabari Davis]

It's so bad. I have to seriously ask. Is this a joke? Like, this is real?

[Lacey Mosley]

Remember the beginning of the episode or this part of the episode? We said, she is not a comedian. This woman is serious. That make it want to masturbate. I get you a low interest rate. Don't hate CEO. Razzle dazzle con.

[June Diane Rayfield]

What?

[Jabari Davis]

Lacey, why couldn't. Why could. Well, I won't speak for you. Why couldn't I just be born into money? Because I, I feel, I feel like you have to be born into money to ever get to that level of. I don't know. Delusion. Yeah, complete delusion.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, she looks so free and I'm a little jealous. I'm like, bro, I'm hating on. Am I hating from outside the club? Like right, Hands up if you're hating from outside the club. Just tap your neighbor if you're hating from outside the club. Because I would love to just be this fucking ignorant. Not even ignorant, just ignorant. I want this for me, I want to have, I want that for you level of delusion. Just no clue about what's happening on planet Earth. You know, rapping on TikTok and then she teasing it as a new song. It's a freestyle but it's going to be new song too. And hey, hey. And how you offbeat? And there's no beat in the back.

[Jabari Davis]

There was no beat whatsoever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like I don't understand that that's a talent. I don't know how you are offbeat when there are literally no beats in sight. Like congratulations sis, because wow, you make a good point.

[Jabari Davis]

Maybe we're the ones that are, that are wrong here. She actually is talented.

[Lacey Mosley]

She might be on to something.

[Jabari Davis]

We just don't realize it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it's a lot of great artists. Van Go who, you know, had chopped his ear off and whatnot and didn't. And didn't get no shine until die. You know, same deal. Right. Maybe we're wrong because the girls weren't loving all that art until they died. You know, maybe Heather's. Is that her name? Yeah, Heather. Maybe she owned something.

[Jabari Davis]

She got Ren and 10 vibes from what's it called? Brown Sugar. She's got whatever that, that I rhyme and I rip.

[Lacey Mosley]

I rip and I rhyme.

[Jabari Davis]

She got a little bit of that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know, they were a little bit more on meat than this.

[Jabari Davis]

That's a good point.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't. Don't put some respect on REN10's name because I don't, I don't know. So. So following her leaving the company she co founded and this is in her own words, she says it's really strange to suddenly have free time after beasting non stop for years. It was about this time that I discovered rapping. I. I really want to know who helped you with this discovery so that we could fight them because we need to have a fisticuffs with said individuals. So it was during this time that both Alia and Heather also went on to attain other ne realist titles such as serial entrepreneur, which I've already told y' all means scammer, advisor, guru, and fashion designer. Though Heather, the former CEO, didn't pick up a full time job again, the couple traveled frequently and moved into a one million dollar Wall street apartment. I love when you're so rich that you just, you don't have to work. Nobody knows where your money comes from. When you apply for a million dollar apartment, they're just like, okay. Like, I feel like when you're black and even if you've worked so hard and has some money, they're still like, how did you get this money? Money?

[Jabari Davis]

Like, yeah, exactly. Who. Who are you representing? Like, what are we doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Even if they see the money in your bank account, they're like, how did it get there? Is someone gonna take it back? You could have got this on your own. Who did you take this money from? Negress.

[Jabari Davis]

Exactly. No, that, that, that is kind of amazing. That, that. I'm sorry. A million. I just want to live her life. I just want to live her life. Like, I, I'll even make those terrible. I can't rap at all. Like, so to be clear, I'm making fun of her. I can't. I could do better than that, but I can't. I want to. I want, I want that type of confidence.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do too. So the crime beyond razzle con, which is a crime to humanity, that somebody is letting her put this on wax. So it turns out that the sudden career changes may have had less to do with wanting creative expression and more to do with a couple suddenly coming into possession of almost 4 billion in stolen Bitcoin coin in August 2016. So they were like, oh, you know, we just wanted to pursue our passions, get a million dollar apartment. You, you know how we was just ee price scamming earlier when you.

[Jabari Davis]

I. I didn't realize you said 4 billion. I thought you said 4. These folks, these folks took a billy.

[Lacey Mosley]

And thought this and thought nobody was going to ask no questions.

[Jabari Davis]

Also, just, just really quickly, if you have guru in your name, you're full of. Of. I don't care if, if, if you, if your, if your card says guru of any kind, you're full of.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody can guru. I feel like somebody got to be able to guru.

[Jabari Davis]

Who? Who?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's. I mean, look back in the day. I feel like you could only be a guru before the Internet because the Dalai Lama, like, people call him A guru. And, like, if you look into Dalama's past, there's a lot of back there that ain't as cute as you think it is. But, you know, people are like, I don't know. He. He looks the part. He's very Zen and calm. We never seen him yell at that. You've seen. And you're like, okay, well, he must be a guru. Root.

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, you know what, Dali? Okay, I take it back, Dalai Lama. You can run that type of game. I'm not believing in Heather, but maybe.

[Lacey Mosley]

You could just be a guru by being quiet. I feel like if you're gonna be a guru, you just have to have very uncomfortable energy that you've harnessed into superiority. Because a lot of people have uncomfortable energy that you meet them and you're like, this nigga's a weirdo. But if you're a weirdo and you learn how to harness that into, like, a power, like an ego, like, move where you can be superior to people, that's when you become a guru, because you're still making people uncomfortable and unsettled. But now they're like, is it because I'm less than I was gonna say.

[Jabari Davis]

That's kind of sounding cult leader ish.

[Lacey Mosley]

But do I feel uncomfortable because I'm not worthy? You know, that's. That is.

[Jabari Davis]

What does she know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? That's what I want. So in August 2016, the Hong Kong crypto exchange by finance was held hacked, leading to the loss of 120,000 bitcoins. At the time, $66 million. Right. Which. That's the thing about bitcoin. It's all online. And I get it. Like, everybody's like, the future. I won't lie. Like, I'm not trying to be a hater on, like, crypto because it's obviously a part of our lives. Like, if you Venmo. It's crypto. Like, all money online is crypto in a way. You know, it's online currency. But it just feels like because the banking industry and stocks and everything else has been so overrun with the same Wall street that the new tech, bro, Wall street types were like, well, how do we get in and, like, ruin everybody's lives? Oh, we do crypto, and this is how we'll ruin everyone's lives with currency. I think you can get in the crypto game, but I think you have to get out. I don't think you can just, like, live in it. And. Because, I don't know. I think that anything that involves people advertising it to try to get more people involved is a scam. Because if you were making money hand over fist. I have never seen a benevolent capitalist. I've never seen any billionaire or money hoarder be like, oh, we making so much coin, y' all come over here, get involved. That's not how money works.

[Jabari Davis]

That's exactly the case. Anytime you have to sell me on it, you are trying to sell me. I'm not that. Look, I'm not gonna be the one. And maybe I missed the boat. Maybe I end up missing the boat, right? You know what, Lacy? We might circle back in a year, and you're gonna be like, hey, look, well, I got my money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get in and get out. I'm just saying, don't stay. Cause I don't know what happened is when you. You stay. That's all I'm saying. Maybe dip a toe if you have some, you know, income that you. You can be frivolous with. But I'm just saying, don't stay. Because if crypto's buying ads in the super bowl, you know, it's like, why y' all gotta sell it if it's so good, Why I gotta tell us.

[Jabari Davis]

On the biggest stage when you know it's folks that are just looking?

[Lacey Mosley]

If they bought the Staples center and called it crypto.com, i'm like, why y'? All?

[Jabari Davis]

But then again, I'll be honest with you. It. You know it's gonna sell. You have folks that were going ahead and scanning that. Scanning that screen. Screen I looked at. I looked at it and said, like, no, I don't think so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? I was like, I'm good. I'm not gonna put my phone camera up here for the court tea. I think I'm good. Robbery.

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[Jabari Davis]

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[Lacey Mosley]

And fraud. But I get it, and I'm saying dip a toe. Like, if you have somebody who's got some plugs, if you have Bitco, Bitcoin is appreciated so much, and, like, people made a lot of legit money off of it. I'm, you know, I always say on this podcast, like, make sure you're trading from a legitimate source. So to this day, no one has been caught for the theft of the actual bitcoin that happened in the Hong Kong crypto exchange. Right? Heather and Alia came into possession of roughly 95,000 of those bitcoins in early 2017 through a series of small, complex transactions. So we're remember, 120,000 bitcoins were stolen. Somehow, Heather and her Russian bae have come up on 95,000 of them, which means that only 25,000 of them they did not get. So who did y' all know who stole this? Because y' all came up on a significant amount of the coins.

[Jabari Davis]

Whatever Russian oligarch that is associated with this gentleman, I want to offer on my. On my part as well as on Lacey's part, we apologize for anything that was offensive earlier.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, so at Today's value, the 95,000 bitcoins that they got roughly translates to about $4 billion in stolen crypto. The problem and reason why the couple did not simply disappear with their hoard was that with a hack that big and notorious, the stolen bitcoins were almost immediately blacklisted. So, you know, with bitcoin, blockchain, all this stuff, like, they can figure out, there's a receipt, there's a CVS long receipt for all of this shit. So they couldn't just be like, okay, by like the squid game coin people when they, like, took $3 million and, oh, yeah, I like that TV show. And we stole your money by. They couldn't do that with 4 billion. You can't just make $4 billion disappear off the ether. So whoever possessed the crypto couldn't redeem it for cash or trade it in reputable exchanges. This left a massive amount to be laundered, which only increased year after year as the couple held onto the hoard and the bitcoin value soared. So normally when you have bitcoin and the value is going up, you'd be like, oh, this is amazing. This is great for the them. This is an L because they're like, damn, it did better today. Oh, hell. Like, how are they going to get this back on the market legally seeming when they have so much volume to move? One of the only ways they could actually use the bitcoin was through purchasing $500 Walmart gift cards. Wow.

[Jabari Davis]

No, they went the Walmart gift card route.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is so ghetto. $500 at a time. Y' all ain't never gonna launder this much.

[Jabari Davis]

Never.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all at a laundromat, Y' all laundering with quarters.

[Jabari Davis]

Let me ask this. How did they have, like, the wherewithal? I want, you know, whether it's intelligence or what, how did they have the ability to pull this scam off but have no plan whatsoever? And why would they have stayed here and not at least traveled to a place that wouldn't extradite? I just don't understand. Like, you come up. You come up with.

[Lacey Mosley]

You saw how this woman. Women.

[Jabari Davis]

It's a good point. That's a good point. You're right. Like, I. I should not expect her.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think we have to attribute that level of delusion in her rap career to that level of delusion in her financial crime career, because clearly she was high on something. Maybe it's life, but whatever it was, girl, stop taking it. So the couple began traveling abroad more often, like you said, because obviously the US Ain't that girl for all of this. Going to Ukraine in 2019 and meeting with money launderers while they developed, developed their plans to leave the country with their billion successfully turned to cash, they continue to live their entire lives online. Now, listen, even the creator of bitcoin, we don't know who that person is. Like, why are you a public figure when you know you sitting on billions of dollars and you know, you literally know that you are getting the tide, you're getting the shout, you're getting the gain, and you're seasoned in the laundry like black people, where you put, like, 12 games, sheets in the dryer. Like, you are laundering, laundering money. You know, you are doing a fold and Press. You are taking stuff out of the. You know, the permanent press cycle and hanging it on the dry. On the clothesline. Like you are laundering laundering money. Why would you be online?

[Jabari Davis]

I don't understand. Like, it wasn't just enough to pull the scam off. They had to let you know. They had to flex on you. Hey, look, if. If that's where we're at, I guess I'll tell you right now. I am from a generation where if I ever. If I get my hands on something like that, you'll never hear from me again. It's gonn be. It's gonna be like, I'll still listen. Hey, look, I. I'll give you some listens. I'll make sure to even listen through your. Listen to your promo so you get the full credit. But outside of that, that's it.

[Lacey Mosley]

If Scam got his podcast drop off the map. And I don't tell y' all that I'm not doing episodes no more. Just know I didn't hit a lick and I'm gone. I'm gone. You will never see. You'll never see me again. What? Like, this is crazy. So they traveled to and from business meetings exclusively by Uber during their Ukraine excursion, which. Why would you do that? There's a record of Uber that's gon. You got dropped off or you got picked up? Girl, y' all better find a yellow cab. Y' all better rent a car. Y' all got all these coins. Why are y' all operating on anything that's technological? Why are y' all operating through technology? Why?

[Jabari Davis]

I don't feel guilty about saying this. These are the dumbest crooks that I've heard of so far, and they shouldn't be in order to be that successful at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cuz y' all are white collar crooks. Like, y' all should know by now, if you work on Wall street, you should know a decent amount about crime. What are you doing?

[Jabari Davis]

Or no other criminals that can at least let you know, say, hey, hey, my man, or, you know, heather, don't do this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, y' all need a criminal guru. Y' all needed a crime guru who could help y' all give y' all philosophical advice, and in return, you pay them for the silence. So Razzlekhan's raps. And Razzlekhan is Heather. I. I cannot call her that. Heather. I am not calling her that name.

[Jabari Davis]

You can just call her Khan for short.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that's even worse. So Heather, Miss. Ms. Razzle Dazzle. Her raps included lyrics such as Spear Fisher Password, slash. All funds transferred and. Okay, so I guess you're trying to give little tips in your raps. Maybe I need to listen to these raps about financial crime. Like, she might be giving it to us.

[Jabari Davis]

She giving up the game in the rhymes. That is amazing. I'm sorry. Like, wait a second. Okay, so can we just quickly. She's a rapper. Amongst all those other things, they pulled this scam off. They got it, and they would have gotten away with it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep.

[Jabari Davis]

They decided to broadcast it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jabari Davis]

And then she's. And then she's gonna talk about it in her own rhymes. No one's gonna hear them. But if in just in the case that they do, she has given the game up and told what she did. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. I didn't. Yeah, that's. That's amazing to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, my name is Heather. I ain't from Turkey. But I keep the. I can't even do it. Like, she's like, it's bad. She's like, I keep them cons on me like, faux jerky. I'm the realest in the biz because I was still on your shit. Spearfish, your password. All funds transferred illegally. Like, what are you doing? Like, I. No. So Alia, her husband. Husband, kept files on the cloud storage account for documents, such as notes about money laundering and forged identification documents to get them into Ukraine. The cloud.

[Jabari Davis]

And they took notes.

[Lacey Mosley]

The cloud. The literal thing that Stephen Jobs and his black turtle ass neck ass made that no one understands.

[Jabari Davis]

I'm going to be a stereotypical black male right now, and I'm going to quote the wire. You taking notes on a criminal conspiracy, bro? Like, what. What are we doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

You got receipts for your crime? You. Like, we got to keep all these Walmart receipts. We might need to take back these. What you keeping Blue Light special receipts? Are y' all on crazy crap? Because I, I, I just know that no one is this dumb. Like, I think Kevin, who's trying to get a dollar from everybody to start his own life, Lotto. I don't think he's gonna keep receipts of the dollars that he receives. I cannot believe that y' all will put on the cloud. No one knows how the cloud works. Have you not seen how many celebrities got their nipples aired out because it was on the cloud? The cloud is hella accessible. It's called the cloud for a reason. Because we're all like, we learned in school what clouds do. We did. We didn't know they're there, but it's it's like gas. I don't know, it's white. It looks solid, but it's not. When you in a plane, you fly through it, it's, you know, sometimes rain. We. We've all learned about clouds, and we still don't know shit about the cloud. Which is why they named it the Cloud. Because how. How. So it was their Internet service provider that alerted the couple in the early 2021s that a grand jury was seeking records related to them. So Comcast or AT&T or whoever the fuck they high speed provider was, which shout out to the Internet provider, y' all must have been paying for some high speed shit if they were like, hey, y', all, y', all, it's us at, AT and T. And we are value customers. Y' all are. Love all the SIM cards y' all are getting across the world. Love the high speed that y' all are getting. Please continue to pay for stars. There will be more power installments. 50 Cent is writing a bible, but just wanted to ask y', all, cuz the government did call us and they did say that they needed, like, records. They wanted certain files that y' all have. Like one called. Another one called money laundering.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

What it.

[Jabari Davis]

It also feels like that is. That's illegal. Like, is the. Is the Internet service provider allowed to, you know, kind of give them the heads up? I mean, it didn't help, but I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mean, I guess, look, the Internet service provider was like, we've been it and we are not in it. All we did was put them ethernet cords in your house. Just want to let y' all know. And honestly, I would do the same thing if I was an Internet service provider. Especially depending on where they were. I don't want them to think I was involved. Like, if you got that much money, like, you definitely could do murders in a real way.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

So I just want the girls to know, like, I don't need to be murdered. You know, we just over here connecting things. You know, we just a middleman. We over here making sure your WI fi. That's it. That's all we're doing. So as of today, it appears that Heather and Alia continued attempting to carry out their plan until early this year. So they were like, okay, the government's onto us, but you know, we're gonna continue getting these Walmart gift cards and rapping and doing tiktoks and living our lives, because, you know, why not? So their arrest on January 5, 2022, investigators arrived at Heather and Alia's apartment with a search warrant. There was allegedly a struggle when Heather attempted to trick investigators and lock them out of her phone while pretending to retrieve her cat. That. Okay. So she was like, hold on, y'.

[June Diane Rayfield]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I gotta go get Mittens.

[Jabari Davis]

I was gonna say. She really did say, like, hold on. Timeout, timeout. She tried to call timeout on an arrest.

[Lacey Mosley]

She y. Time out on a search warrant. She was like, hold on. Mittens is very antsy. Y' all hold on. Mittens got anxiety. Y' all can't come in here. Let me get the catnip.

[Jabari Davis]

Once again, the privilege. Because again, if they come. Look, if they come to your. If they come to your door, my door. And anyone that we know, they're not just gonna be like, hey, can we come in? First of all, they gonna kick that door in, right? And it's not gonna. You're not gonna have time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Te.

[Jabari Davis]

They got like, yeah, Mittens would be gone. Rip Mittens. I'm sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They would have thrown Mittens out the two story window. What are you talking about? It's like she. She got a search warrant done. Like, the cleaning people were coming. She was like, yeah, it's right over there. Make sure to be delicate with my. My linens.

What?

I just feel like they would definitely arrest you. So she lost the ensuing wrestling match over her cell phone, and officers found $40,000 in cash. Unless large amounts of money in other currencies in a hollowed out book for transporting bills. And a bag labeled burner phone.

[Jabari Davis]

Now, why stop it? They wrote burner phone on the back.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm tired of these people. This is just the most laziest. They said they opened our book called crime. Okay? So we're looking in books right now that they've hollowed out, and it's like they've only learned crime from television. Why? What y' all thought? The books. And also, these aren't even thick enough books. Like, you can't get that much cash in these books. Even if you're doing 100 bills at most, you're getting 10,000 in each of these books. Ow. Burner. Not her burner charger. She was. I will say Heather's organized. She was like, this is where I keep my burner charger. So I don't. My burner don't die. This is my crime phone. It's my murder phone. We haven't used that one yet. We need to get a SIM card for the murder phone. What?

[Jabari Davis]

But my real question is, it's fine to put it in that bag. Why do you need to label it? Why do you need the right burner phone? Like, you know it's your burner?

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you gonna forget the phones that you have associated with crime? Also, when people knock on your door with a search warrant, the first thing I would have done was pull the SIM cards out of those phones or at least drop them bitches in the toilet and hit flush a couple times. Like, what are you doing?

[Jabari Davis]

Again, no plan. No plan whatsoever.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would've been doing an Irish jig on them phones. Just dancing after I po. Soda water all over them. Like, something fire. Fire's good. Burn it with fire.

[Jabari Davis]

Try something microwave. Throw it in the microwave. Like, Honestly, I. These. These seem like the type of people.

[Lacey Mosley]

That would make that no grill lighters. What are you doing? So she lost the wrestling match. They obviously found everything. Additionally, the warrant extended to the couple's computers, where they also found folders titled Personas and passport id. He is Jesus. I. Y' all are really just. This is hilarious. Now I understand why Kayn put that warning at the top that y' all are not comedians, because I don't know if I can make this funnier than it already is. Passport ideas, y'. All like, let's throw around names. I think in my next country, I want to be Susie Rudabaga. What. What do you think about that name? We'll put it on the Excel. We'll think about it. What?

[Jabari Davis]

This is how bad they are. If you make a movie or a short series, shout out to you Netflix. And you know, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Because they love a short ip.

[Jabari Davis]

If you make it, you can't make it without it being a comedy because it's that absurd.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. They rapping. They got all. And also, this also tells me that y' all don't really. Before you got into rap culture, you didn't even study anything about it. Because even if you're on the scammer rap rap side, if you would just listen to some lyrics, they would have taught you something about this.

[Jabari Davis]

Listening to some Jeezy. Some like what?

[Lacey Mosley]

Jesus said I keep my hands clean. I never touch dope. Like what?

[Jabari Davis]

Hello, Y' all touching all the dope. What are y' all doing it all and letting you know that they got it. Hey, look, I got dope in my hands.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. Why y' all got a label maker and y' all like, all right, D, O, P, E. Okay, put this one on the top shelf. That's the dope. Okay. Burner falls B U R N, E R. Oh, I'm running that. Can you go to the Container store? Because we got to label the rest of this crime. What are you doing? This the easiest fucking search warrant ever. Like what? So it wasn't until January 31st that investigators were finally able to decrypt files on Alia's hard drive and find a stash of missing Bitcoin. So at least he encrypted them. Which you should have known. The government has hackers. Now they're gonna get in there, and even if they don't have good hackers, the thing is, a lot of good hackers will strike a deal and be like, I guess I'll keep crime off the streets if y' all keep me out the sale. So you're playing. The couple was arrested and posted a combined $8 million in bond secured in part by both their parents homes. Privilege. Your parents homes also. If I was your mama, the last thing I'm doing is putting up my house. You're not. I wouldn't even give y' all my lawn. I wouldn't even give y' all the sprinkler system. I'm not putting up cuz y' all seem like the type who are gonna run.

[Jabari Davis]

Remember I told you about my country family, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jabari Davis]

I. I remember a day. I remember a day like it was yesterday. I was about 13, 14 years old, and one of my cousins called my mama and said, hey, can you put your house up for me? And her exact words were, no. Just like that. This is. This is a good old Southern woman that doesn't. Doesn't even speak like that. Well, she does, but, you know, she'd like to say this.

[Lacey Mosley]

She had to put some clarity on it. She had you to really. She needed you to know she wasn't going to think about it. She wasn't upon it. Don't call her back in a few hours. The answer is no. Today, tomorrow, always, and in perpetuity. Amen.

[Jabari Davis]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

That she said in his name.

[Jabari Davis]

Exactly. In his holiest of holy name.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I know Jesus came back on the third day, but he ain't come back again. And don't you. Don't you come back. Okay?

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah. Don't come back.

[Lacey Mosley]

So neither have entered. Please. Though Heather's lawyer claims that she was a passive participant in Alia's grand scheme to launder money and flee the country. Oh, not. You didn't put your husband under the bus. Oh, she w. Her husband under several buses. Wow.

[Jabari Davis]

She gonna write a rhyme about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Alia, you gotta get out of this relationship because your rapping, your rapping white wife is about to do you. She gonna come out with raps. Talking about trapped, trapped, trapped in an abusive con relationship.

[Jabari Davis]

He made me do it all. It's a guarantee that that's going to be.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the next single. He made me. Hey, y', all, it's me, Turkish Martha Stewart. I'm not trying to go to jail. Like, look, you called yourself Martha Stewart, so you kind of.

[Jabari Davis]

Oh, in a real way, you willed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yourself into a financial crime bed.

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, she spoke it. She wrapped it into existence.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta be careful what you wrap. You might wrap it into existence. So Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell ruled that Alias stay in custody because of the extreme likelihood that he would attempt to flee while Heather met the criteria for a supervisor release. How they were together. I know they found all the financial stuff on his computer, but they were together and she was wrestling somebody for a phone. I just feel like if you go.

[Jabari Davis]

She was rapping about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you go stone cold Steve Austin on somebody for your cell phone, you should also be in the jail awaiting trial.

[Jabari Davis]

She flipped on him. That had to be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, she must.

[Jabari Davis]

She had. She must have told on him and put. And put him in.

[Lacey Mosley]

She went full Simone bows. She. She got on the beam, just started flip, flip, flip, flip. Flipping tens across the board. She stuck all the landings. Was like, I don't know him.

[Jabari Davis]

That one took me a second. I'm not gonna lie, though. I was like, we fool some up.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's like, I don't know him. And stuck the landing. Stick it. I mean, I can't be mad at that as a woman, you know. Flip on your man.

[Jabari Davis]

You know, we watched that Tick tock. She was gonna flip on him. Come on, man. Again, I'm not trying to be judgmental. We watched that. We do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you're right. From the tik tok, we could tell that she was a snitch.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah, she. First of all, she laughed in that man's face with her friends, cackled with.

[Lacey Mosley]

Her friends in his face while he was laid up on the bed, posed, trying to give the girls all that he had.

[Jabari Davis]

All of it. He was showing.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, I'm not gonna do this again. I can't. I'mma do it a different way. She was like, okay, boo. He's so dumb. Yeah. And I mean, if she's a real rapper, maybe she's. She got her Megan Thee stallion on. She was like, leave these niggas holding the bag. You know, she Stuck her tongue out and said, ew, real hot girl shit. Real fraud girl shit.

[Jabari Davis]

Okay, the real question is, does she have enough money to get a Meg feature at some point?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, these rap videos are giving low budget, but she did it without getting chased out on the streets. And you can't really film like that in New York. They know when the girls are filming. So maybe she got a coin, maybe she had a permit. If convicted, Ali and Heather could face up to 25 years in prison for money laundering and conspiracy. The thing is, is that this is not even physical coin. It's bitcoin. So can they just return the coin and unencrypt the thing that was blocking it? And all is well that ends well. It just 25 years. I think about prison time as a taxpayer. And this isn't a violent crime. These people are goofy as fuck. I don't know if they need to spend 20 years in the can.

[Jabari Davis]

It does seem extreme, but honestly, 4 billion, like, I think it's because of the amount. The amount of scamming that had to go into it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just think of crypto as a rich man's game. And I'm like, who did they really harm? Because all these. But at the same time, I don't know who bought into Bitcoin. And maybe you have a lot of savings or your life savings tied up into it. And perhaps, obviously it was very harmful. If they stole 100, whoever originally stole it stole 120,000 thousand Bitcoin. And if 95,000 of those Bitcoin equal $4 billion, that a lot of people got robbed. And I don't know if there's a way, like the FDIC is insured. I don't know how it works with crypto. So, you know, financial crime does harm people extremely. People need money. The only people who ever say money doesn't buy happiness is fucking rich people. Which is why they need to shut the fuck up. Because you know how happy you can sleep when all your bills are paid? Do you know how happy you can feel when you got food? Yeah, you may have other issues. You may have family issues, you may have. But even if you have health issues, you know how happy you would be when you go to the hospital and you don't have to worry about the girls shaking you down before you get your procedures.

[Jabari Davis]

Listen, I understand the old adage of more money, more problems, but I want those problems, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I would rather have the money problems than the lack of money problems. Because nobody ever says, no money, more problems, which is definitely A thing. It's just that we assume that. But before we go scammer of the week, this is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see. And we'll get Jabari's opinions. Today we are talking about Greek Orthodox priest and hedge fund manager. What a combination. Reverend Emmanuel Lemson, who was found by a federal jury to have been involved in a short and distort scheme. Short and distort. Oh, what's. What's that about? So the scheme involved shorting the stock of a San Diego based company called Ligand Pharmaceuticals Incorporated. Shorting is the process of borrowing securities that you don't own and selling them to another investor at a lower price by pocketing the difference. So you're borrowing the securities. And then. And so we were talking about, obviously, financial crime earlier with bitcoin. So now we're moving over into the stock market. Shorting is a thing that happens very often, and a lot of people get away with it. But unfortunately, Greek orchid ass priest, Reverend Emmanuel was not so blessed and fortunate to get away with his shorting. So he was borrowing. He's borrowing these securities that he doesn't own and then selling them to another investor at a lower price while pocketing the difference. The reverend allegedly then manipulated the stock's price through making false statements, through attacking Ligand Pharmaceuticals in the media. So, you know, got the stock, sold it off for a cheaper price, and then brought the stock down by talking about it. Amen. As a reverend, like, what was. What was Reverend Emmanuel saying? He was like, ligon can't heal you, Only God can heal you. They selling the devil's pharmaceuticals. What?

[Jabari Davis]

So the first question that I have is, how long has he been. How long has he been a priest? Because the question I actually have is, was this a long con? Like, did he get into this position so that he could be a reputable, believable individual? Someone put the little paper there. You know, you get the benefit of the doubt that you probably otherwise wouldn't. Get. Or otherwise, if you're a priest, what do you need profits for anyhow?

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, as a hedge fund manager, it does make sense to me to perhaps want to go into the fatherhood, because, you know, you start talking about churches, especially if he has his own. Like, that's a tax write off. And then maybe some of them hedge funds are managing, turn into blessings that I write off for the church house. So Father Emmanuel Lemson manages a hedge fund, lives on a three acre estate in Boston. In a suburb and on weekends, tends to his flock at the St. George Greek Orthodox Church in Keene, New Hampshire. Wow.

[Jabari Davis]

So my man is basically a hedge fund manager that just does church on the weekends. Okay, man, that's a real hustle right there, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, you really only need to do church on the weekends. You know, like, he come in for do the stuff services. He gonna get y' all four services, you know, two before the football games come on and two during for the girls who don't care. And, I mean, he was doing. He earned $1.3 million as a result of the stock price falling. Reverend Livingson advocates an investment philosophy based on Christian ethics. So he said, God and the NASDAQ wants this.

[Jabari Davis]

That's fantastic. Look, I, I, I, I've always, you know, I mean, no disrespect, you know, to, to religion or anybody that is, is religious, but I've always been entertained. I've always been entertained by some of the ways that the folks that consider themselves holy, you know, can also excuse themselves, you know, for this type of behavior, actually. Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's always been one of the harder things for me because I just think as a religious leader, the one thing which I think is impossible for human beings in general. I feel like the one thing, though, as a religious leader is that you need to abstain from, like, the obvious sins. Like, I feel like you shouldn't be cheating on your wife. I should. You shouldn't be stealing. You shouldn't be involved in illegal activity just simply because that's your whole brand. I feel like you have to stay away from those vices. And rarely do we see anyone that in the religious community abstain from those vices. It's giving righteous gemstones.

[Jabari Davis]

There's a lot of folks, I, I'll just say this, and I mean, again, I mean no disrespect to anybody that is religious, but there are a lot of parallels to pimps and pastors at times, and I, I'll just leave it at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I mean, we've seen so many pastors especially. I don't remember the name of that pastor who recently was under fire because he spit during the pandemic into his hand and rubbed it on his brother. Brother's face.

[Jabari Davis]

I saw that. I don't, I don't know his name either. But what are we doing? We don't like, even outside of a pandemic, what are we.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I had seen that pastor before. He did that because a homegirl of mine, who no Longer subscribes to him. But she. She had him playing on a Sunday, you know, after a while, weekend that we had, you know, we turned on church if we couldn't make it during the pandemic. You know, we.

[Jabari Davis]

Good Christian, turn it on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good Christian gays. And so we turned on church. And I just remember he was so extra, and I was like, something is up here and he's on tv. And it was a lot of. They had a lot of production value that I just didn't really think was necessary in church. Like, I remember one time, this same pastor had a sermon where he was talking about the storm and God and. And. And they had rain on stage. And he was standing. And his name is Mike Todd. Judith. Judith, our super producers told us his name is Mike Todd. But he. I remember a sermon where he had the rain pouring on the stage, and it was like the stage was full of water, and he was stomping around and splashing and shit. And I just felt like this is a waste of funds. Like, I feel like for all the money y' all spent on making it rain on this stage for probably three or four sermons today, you could have just donated that and did what the church is supposed to do and why we don't text y', all, which is be a benevolent source in the community and keep your lights on.

[Jabari Davis]

You are also not Drew Hill or Missy Elliott in a video. What do we.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was given Omarion. He was just out here. Just Omarion.

[Jabari Davis]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just in the around. Like, it felt like he was about to fight for the community center through dance. And as a pastor, I just don't think we need that from you.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah. You know, let somebody else.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought you could just do these cute interpretations of the Bible, send us off with, you know, some good spirits and some good intentions for the. The demons we gonna meet that week. And that could be that. But so, you know, pastors, they can get kind of manipulative. In one video, he describes. Described the difference between. And this is Emmanuel, the hedge fund pastor. He described the difference between Eastern and Western Christian views on wealth, including stating that wealth is not a curse necessarily. This is in quotes while sitting in his Boston mansion. And we're going to watch a little clip of this in a second while they pull it up. Wow. I think that before we play this, I just want to say, say, like, I know that when you're a part of a congregation of a church where the pastor is really rich or, you know, like Joel Austin, like the TD Jakes, they have multiple Churches, cars, books, movies, whatever the. I think the empathy there lies in, if I follow God. And I, I am a believer in God mostly because I'm a gambler and, And I just feel like I'd rather believe in something than nothing. And if you ignore a lot of the wild stuff in the Bible and just kind of focus in on being kind to people and helping your neighbor, your unhoused neighbor, your neighbor who needs anything, or like just being a good, kind person and trying to show love to people in the world, that those principles fundamentally are really good. And I know a big principle that people kind of hold on to when they see their pastors becoming exorbitantly rich and driving Maseratis and Lambos and shopping to church is like, well, why shouldn't I be able to love God and make money? Why shouldn't I be able to love God and be rich? And I think that you absolutely should be able to be a steward of God and the fundamental principles. Not all that hating of gay people, not all that, you know, racism, not all that sexism, not all the weird stuff, just the good. Right, the isms, just the earnest part of Christianity, then, yeah, I don't think anybody needs to be a billionaire billionaire that's hoarding resources and hurting people. But I think you should be able to be comfortable. Love a guy. Like, I get that.

[Jabari Davis]

I, I don't have a problem with them being comfortable. I don't even have a problem with them making them, you know, having, you know, having a little bit of money. But agreed, like the billionaire ones, the one like, I think it was Creflo. Creflo$, you know what? And my bad, Creflo, but not you quoting Creflo$. I'm pretty sure it was him that had no problem saying, yeah, I know we already have a private plane. We need another private plane. Pretty sure it was here. This about. This was a couple years ago. And I'm sorry, man. Like, for one, you got a pr. You have a private plane, but you also have the audacity to say, I know we have a pj, but we need it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, we gotta fly in the sky with no devils in the house. Jesus, you getting on a commercial plane. You don't know who on that plane gave Jesus just.

[Jabari Davis]

You just don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

We need a flight log. Well, no devils in the house. Amen. Let's play this inspirational video from hedge fund Reverend Emmanuel.

[Jabari Davis]

We have a notion of priesthood which is informed by the Latin or the Catholic Church, and ideas about celibacy and vows of poverty and so forth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Emmanuel said, I'll be.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah, that's what. Exactly what he said.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I'm ready, Rich. Look at his house, his big ass windows. This is outside. Not him reading this Bible outside on his mansion.

[Jabari Davis]

You got a little travel size Bible, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And why he on the first page, not in the beginning?

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, hey, he hitting the Lebron. We're just reading that first page for the. For the camera.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, I read the first page and the last page of the Bible. I know what's happening.

[Jabari Davis]

We good in the beginning. And there we go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I know what happened.

[Jabari Davis]

He got his road. He got his road graze on. I'm not mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's giving big friar energy. Who's living in this house with him. It's painted yellow. Wow.

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, that's a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, what kind of car is this? Okay, a little Benzo.

[Jabari Davis]

Mercedes, of course. Of course. Wagon at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, it's not. It's not a. A G wagon, though. Oh, it's not the G wagon, like the square one. So this is like a. A mid class Mercedes sedan. He's keeping it class. It's probably like a $50,000 car.

[Jabari Davis]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

50, 60.

[Jabari Davis]

That's amazing.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's not like a G wagon. It's like a hundred thousand at least.

[Jabari Davis]

Yeah. You know, he got one of those too then.

[Lacey Mosley]

But that's the car he drive to church so he could keep everybody humble. Oh, yep. Because he just pulled up at church. Not with this suitcase, okay? His church is small. Look, his church is giving humility. He got wooden pews. He wanted to respond to God's call, and God called him up on the hotline. Bling.

[Jabari Davis]

Yep. Say, say, hey, my dog. My dog. Hey, we gotta get this.

[Lacey Mosley]

God told me to get involved in stocks and also in the clergy.

[Jabari Davis]

Remember what I said about pimping from the pulpit, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at his. He putting on holy drip. Like Steve Harvey is shaking. Like this is some ostentatious holy drip. Okay? Now he got his humble service in here reading their Bibles.

[Jabari Davis]

Baby's like, I don't want none of that.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right? Now is he spoon feeding the baby wine?

[Jabari Davis]

I think he did. Baby drunk is a skunk, right? Look at him. Not now. The baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Baby like, don't sleep good tonight.

[Jabari Davis]

They feeding him off the same spoon. I'm not gonna go there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right During COVID I feel like I don't want to drink out the same goblet. Y' all gotta give me them at my chur. We had individual cups for communion that had a little wafer on top.

[Jabari Davis]

I need that.

[Lacey Mosley]

It definitely came from a warehouse.

[Jabari Davis]

Hey, there you go.

[Lacey Mosley]

In his 20s, he acquired some good real estate. Oh, he's driving to a different home. He was in a different home before.

[Jabari Davis]

I think that might be the same compound now. How it's a comp. It's a compound.

[Lacey Mosley]

How your church smaller than all your.

[Jabari Davis]

Homes in a real way? Like his home is three to four times the size of his church right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you inviting everybody over for a potluck? Is he single? I don't see nobody else in these.

[Jabari Davis]

N. I think you had it right. When he said I get it in cuz he said we don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cuz he brought up celibacy. He was like, yeah, no, the girls aren't doing the cell and the basine. Like, yeah, the that's we getting the and the pussy either or we we have a sexuals.

[Jabari Davis]

Whatever you need.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. We practicing procreation. Listen, we got to repopulate the earth and I to practice. Amen. Oh, I'm going to hell.

[Jabari Davis]

So say it's the song. So say it the song. I'll be there. I'll be there first. I'll hold the door for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally, I'm going be in line. Jesus. Going to start pulling up my podcast. I'm like, look, you know, I was a jokester guy. You made me in your image. Come on now, comedian, open that gate. Don't pull the lever. Don't pull the lever. Make me go to hell. But yeah, so this is a scam of the week. I'm going to say Bre and Emanuel. I mean, to this it seems fine.

[Jabari Davis]

As long as no one's getting hurt. Honestly, it's fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, somebody getting hurt.

[Jabari Davis]

Part of me, but I was gonna say part of me feels like there's there's some stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Jabari Davis]

Part of me feels like they put, you know, they put the little music underneath to make it sound, you know, make it sound peaceful and whatnot.

[Lacey Mosley]

But. Right. You know, he was like, he's not.

[Jabari Davis]

Forcing folks to go there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It was like Wolf of Wall street. But if it happened on hdtv. Yes, like real, like real classy. Like a lot of like exterior outdoor scenes and you know, he was praying he few candles lit for the girls giving that holy ambiance. I, I, you know, I mean, we've seen a rapper who's doing financial fraud. We've seen a priest now who's doing financial fraud. Apparently you can't just do it like, Bernie Madoff was a purist. He just did financial fraud. Now the girls gotta have a side hustle. Religion, affirmations, rapping, like exactly 2022.

[Jabari Davis]

You can't just get away with one hustle, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You said that. You said that. You said half of your family got two hustles. Like, can't just have one hustle. This is a gig economy, guys. So if you want to be a preacher, also maybe consider being a hedge fund manager. Maybe short some stocks.

[Jabari Davis]

Just shorts. Actually. It's the perfect, it's the perfect connection for himself. He can just, you can just pray it and, and, and pray it away and he's fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Amen. It might be working, but guys, we've reached the end of such a fun episode. Jabari, we always ask, where, where would you like to be found?

[Jabari Davis]

Again, thank you so much for this opportunity, Fant. It's great to be in the presence of greatness on Twitter. Jabari Davis, MBA. You can find me at 19mediagroup.com and coming soon on iHeart podcasts for several different projects.

[Lacey Mosley]

Several. Okay, we love several. I love iHeart. That's like my first family. I love Jack O' Brien and Miles over there. Guys, as always. Scamguidispodgmail.com Email us with your questions about scams. That was a new one. And send in some questions. Also, snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to fuck up your bad. Scamgodispodmail.com I am D I V A L A C I D V on all platforms. If you want to see my shenanigans. I've been a little dark because of my surgeries, but I'll be back. And then scam got us pod. If you want to see all the videos and photos that we were looking at today on all platforms, but the Instagram is mostly where we post everything. The new season of iCarly airs April 8, guys. So that's coming up. That'll be fun. All episodes of the second season of blacklight sketch show streaming now on hbo. Max, I am not in season three of a black light sketch show. I love to do icarly, so that's why I'm here. Keenan 4th episode. If you want to see a fun twist that absolutely ties into this show. And yeah, that's all for me. Congregation and stay scheming. Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay Scheming.

[Jabari Davis]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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