Fraud Friday: See Ya Money Disappear as a F.A.P (Fine Art Partners) w/ Chelsea Devantez

Summary

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Scam Goddess: Fraud Friday – See Ya Money Disappear as a F.A.P (Fine Art Partners) w/ Chelsea Devantez

Date: August 22, 2025
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Chelsea Devantez (Comedian, Writer, Host of Celebrity Book Club)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode is a wild and hilarious ride through some of the most mind-boggling scams in recent memory, all delivered with signature Scam Goddess style. Host Laci Mosley welcomes the multi-talented Chelsea Devantez (writer, comic, podcast host, and noted connoisseur of celebrity memoirs) for a rollicking chat about scams past, present, and legendary. The episode jumps from personal scam stories and the wedding-industrial complex to a deep-dive into the insane fine art fraud of Inigo Philbrick and Fine Art Partners (FAP).
Main theme: Comedy-infused breakdown of fraud, with an emphasis on the wild intersection of wealth, privilege, and the willingness to believe in the absurd – all via the lens of the art world and real-life experiences.

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GUEST INTRO & SCAM FLIRTATION

[01:10 – 07:35]

• Laci effusively welcomes Chelsea Devantez, touts her credits and their shared history (“the only person to ever make Laci cry on a podcast” – [02:52]), and immediately asks about her relationship with scams.
• Chelsea offers three avenues: a big-picture scam worldview, a tie-in to her book podcast, and personal scams she’s dealing with right now. Laci jumps straight to the literary and personal.

Notable Quote:
“Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them? Do you hate them?”
— Laci Mosley [03:25]

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CELEBRITY BOOK CLUB SCAM: THE MOLLY SHANNON "MAMET SCAM"

[04:00 – 07:16]

• Chelsea recounts Molly Shannon’s Hollywood break-in, where young Molly and a friend fake calls as famed playwright David Mamet’s assistant to land auditions, snag roles, and bluff their way into the industry.
• “Maybe if more women ran more scams we’d have more talented people in Hollywood.” – Chelsea [05:35]
• The story doubles as a rallying call for women and outsiders to crash the gates, lampooning the system's inner workings.

Notable Moment:
The instant camaraderie and mutual respect for “the messy books” and scammy ingenuity of Molly Shannon’s career launch.

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THE PERSONAL SCAM: THE WEDDING INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

[07:16 – 17:40]

• Chelsea details her current situation — planning a wedding and bumping headlong into the endless, inventive grifts of the industry (‘every time you put wedding on something, the robbery is happening’ – Laci [07:42]).
• High points include: overpriced dresses (if it’s under 4k, it’s “fast fashion”), open bar markups (“$20,000 for an open bar… bitch, for that I better be on the astral plane” – Laci [15:09]), and the scammy guilt of wedding registries.
• Both roast wedding reality TV like Say Yes to the Dress and Four Weddings. Chelsea reveals her intention to scam back – wearing multiple discounted dresses and seeking out deals.

Notable Quotes:
“Weddings are a scam. But I made the decision: I’m gonna throw my money away on a day that is valuable to me. I want to do it right.”
— Chelsea [07:42]

“That’s a part of the contractual obligation of a wedding. I gotta buy you a gift… you better give me some free booze.”
— Laci [11:27]

“Tell them it’s just a little birthday of love party, or see what them prices looking like then.”
— Laci [16:06]

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LISTENER LETTER: LANDLORD SCAM EXPOSED (The "Evangelist" Rental Racket)

[20:08 – 37:17]

• Titled “Gigi,” the writer almost falls for a classic Craigslist-style rental scam: a “landlord” named Evangelist Stephen emails explanations for why the price is so low and why she shouldn’t contact realtors. The questionaire is riddled with weird requests (“personality of pet,” “are you section 8 and do you work late night”).
• The duo pick apart the absurdities ("Are you house of Evangelist? Like, is your first name Baptist?"), roast the scam’s hilariously homemade forms, and point out every red flag.
• Chelsea volunteers (comically) to find “Gigi” a legitimate apartment herself.

Notable Moment:
Chelsea and Laci’s faux outrage at being disrespected by a half-assed scam:
“You don’t got a friend you could call who could get in on the scheme and lie with you?...I deserve to be lied to. In a good way.” – Laci [37:05]
“Put some thought into it. Some effort!” – Chelsea [37:17]

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HISTORIC HOODWINKS: THE INIGO PHILBRICK / FAP ART FRAUD ("Fine Art Partners")

[39:53 – 81:03]

MEET THE SCAMMER: INIGO PHILBRICK

[39:53 – 42:03]

• Laci introduces “Indiegogo” Philbrick (“He was a 10 but…he does art fraud, that’s an 11 to me!” – Laci [40:20]; “those eyes are dead…he looks like he do murders on the side, that’s his hobby.” – [40:38]).
• Chelsea and Laci determine his charms are mostly surface-level and deeply “standard, tall, white dude scammer.”

ART WORLD SCAM MECHANICS

[43:38 – 70:00]

• Inigo Philbrick, the well-connected son of a museum director, rises fast in the “Blue Chip” art world, launching his own gallery with other people’s money.
• Fine Art Partners (“FAP”), a shadowy investment crew, bankroll his multimillion deals with an absurd lack of oversight—they front the money, he holds the art ("He just showed up, tall and white, and they were like, this guy, he’s the guy.” – Laci [41:47]).
• They break down Indiegogo’s shell games: selling the same artworks and their “shares” to multiple buyers—including never showing anyone the actual pieces (“They bought an Instagram photo. They never saw the…they were sending the money…y’all deserve to be robbed.” – Laci [70:34]).
• Hilarity ensues as Laci and Chelsea skewer art-world absurdities, try to estimate the cost of metal shelves passed off as high art, and descend into a running FAP/fat-ass-pussy (WAP) bit.

Notable Quotes:
“To rush these sales is signing your own death knell.” —Indigo Philbrick [58:54]
“Are you not thinking fat-ass-pussy? Is this not what we’re thinking every time we say this?” — Chelsea [59:01]

COLLAPSE AND CAPTURE

[70:51 – 78:42]

• Philbrick makes up for lack of sales by living very large—private planes, diamond-buckled belts, tennis lessons while on the run (“You know how you need tennis lessons when you’re on the run from the government?”—Laci [78:02]).
• Eventually lawsuits catch up; he and reality-star fiancée go on the lam, fleeing to the South Pacific.
• Arrested in 2022, he is sentenced to 7 years for defrauding victims out of $86 million.
• Disgruntled former associates try to claw back assets ("Indiegogo sold the same picture four times. I can't even sell the damn thing once."—Kitty Schrader [80:01])

Notable Exchange:
“Can you imagine getting anything done without trying 500 times over the level of Indiegogo?” —Chelsea [81:03]
“No. And I’m so jealous." —Laci [81:11]

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SCAMMER OF THE WEEK: THE RAPPER WHO RAPPED HIS OWN FRAUD CASE

[82:01 – 87:58]

• The LA rapper “Nuke Bizzle” (Fontrell Antonio Baines) boasts about defrauding California’s EDD unemployment program for $1.2 million—IN HIS MUSIC VIDEO.
• He’s swiftly busted after agreeing to a cop search in Vegas.
• Laci and Chelsea roast the situation (“How are you smart enough to pull this scam but also gonna rap about it?”—Chelsea [84:38]), while noting the endless hypocrisy of who actually gets punished for financial crimes compared to white-collar corporate scammers.

Discussion:

• The penalties for financial crime are lampooned, as Laci rails against “wasting our taxpayer dollars” for 20-year sentences for a "pandemic entrepreneur."
• Chelsea aptly points out: “Corporations that didn’t qualify for [pandemic assistance] took the money… loan forgiveness program, literally what it’s called.” [87:54]

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HIGHLIGHTS & QUOTES

• “Weddings are a scam—once you put the word on anything, they’re coming for your money.”
  —Laci Mosley [07:42]
• “Your friend is like, people are dying, but no, I want my Chinette set!”
  —Laci Mosley [13:11]
• “If you go to a bartending company, ask for open bar, and they say $20,000—bitch, for $20,000, I’d better have one drink and be on the astral plane.”
  —Laci Mosley [15:09]
• “They bought an Instagram photo. They never saw the... They were sending the money. Y'all deserve to be robbed.”
  —Laci Mosley [70:34]
• “Can you imagine getting anything done without trying 500 times over the level of Indiegogo?”
  —Chelsea Devantez [81:03]

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TIMESTAMPED SEGMENTS

• [01:10 – 07:35] – Chelsea’s scam history & Molly Shannon’s “Mamet Scam”
• [07:16 – 17:40] – The endless scams of weddings
• [20:08 – 37:17] – Listener scam: "Evangelist Stephen" rental scam dissected
• [39:53 – 81:03] – Historic Hoodwinks: Inigo Philbrick, Fine Art scam unravelled
• [82:01 – 87:58] – Scammer of the Week: The rapping fraudster
• [88:15 – 89:01] – Guest plugs & episode close

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CONCLUSION

This episode is peak Scam Goddess: hilarious, biting, and full of sharp social observation. Laci and Chelsea churn reality, privilege, and absurdity together, all while making permission to laugh at fraud—and fraught systems—a radical act. The FAP/Philbrick art scam breakdown is a highlight for anyone fascinated by how white-collar crime meets unchecked confidence.
As always: “Stay schemin’, congregation!”

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Guest Plugs:

• Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Devantez (start with Laci's ep!)
• Follow Chelsea @chelseadevantes

Host Plugs:

• Follow Laci @divalaci | Follow @scamgoddesspod (Instagram & Twitter)

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Chelsea Devontes]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Chelsea Devontes]

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[Lacey Mosley]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay, stay scheming and fraud Scam Goddess. What's poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Lacy Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. No, you're not listening at 2.5 speed. I'm just speaking really quickly. You know I like to switch it up on girls. This is the podcast all about ro fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But someone I definitely love is in the building today. I'm very. What? Yes, yes. You know, you already know. Excited? Elated? I was gonna say stimulated, but that feels like not the right word, but maybe she is very hot. Guys, today we have an Emmy nominated writer, comedian, director, and actor on the show recently. She was the head writer on the Problem with Jon Stewart and she hosts the podcast Celebrity Book Club. I've been on, y'.

[Chelsea Devontes]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've never cried on a podcast before. If you've never listened to Celebrity book club, get into it. It's so good. Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Devontes. Follow her Instagram at chelseadevantes Congregation, please welcome. Ooh, yes. Chelsea Devontes to the show. Hi, Chelsea. Hello.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And I have to say, I need to add to my bio the only person to ever make Lacey cry on a podcast. I feel like that is such an honor.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was truly shocked. I'm like, are we getting bunny roll? Bunny roll.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It is better than being Emmy nominated to have had that moment with you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Please, please. That Emmy. That's. Congratulations on that, getting those nods. And, I mean, you're a force, so it's.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, no, no, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're only more.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You're the force. And to. To have held your chair in my podcast hand.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the true award, the power. Oh, my goodness. But, okay, so, Chelsea, I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them? Do you hate them? It could be anything. I have some you could talk about.

[Chelsea Devontes]

So much to say on this that I'm worried it's too much. So I just want. I want to give you three options. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I have a bigger worldview on it. I have a celebrity book club scam tie in on it. And then I have the current scams that are currently happening in my life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, shit. Okay, can I do two? The book club tie in and the current scams are happening because those are.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yes. Okay. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the book club tie in, tie.

[Chelsea Devontes]

In is that, you know, we recap these books, and in some of them, like, scams come up. But the best one that came up, and it was actually pretty recent, is Molly Shannon's book, has a chapter in it called the Mammoth Scam. Have you heard this story yet?

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Okay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It is so good. You're gonna love it. Because also, you know LA so well. So Molly Shannon, she had just like, she's incredible and she's such a light, but she didn't have any. She didn't know anybody in the business. She didn't have any resources or connections. So she's out in la, she's hustling. She's, like, working as a waitress, and she doesn't know how to, like, get an agent or get auditions. So she and her friend decide. David Mamet is, like, really respected at the time, and he's never in la. So she calls for him and he calls for her, and they start calling up, like, casting offices and agents, and they're basically like, David Mamet has an actor who he's obsessed with. Her name is Molly Shannon. And David Mamet would love if you would see Molly Shannon today for your show. And they'd be like, oh, my God, David. They'd be like, yes. So she's in, like, a ton of his plays. It means a lot to him. And she would get all her auditions. She booked jobs off of it. She was caught once where someone sat her down. They're like, I only said yes to see what a liar looked like, because I know David Hammett, and I know you don't know him. She then pretends that her friend who called was like, her boyfriend who was scamming her. Like, oh, I had no idea. My boyfriend said he knew David Miami. And the agent's like, get out of my face. And I was like, well, that's the end of that scam. And then Molly's like. And then we kept doing it, and.

[Lacey Mosley]

So we just have no show. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And she writes in the book, like, maybe if more women, like, ran more scams, we could have more talented people in Hollywood because they had to, like, break in via the Mamet scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally break in, like, via a window and a rock and a brick. Okay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

A brick can be a key. You know, that's all I'm saying. We got keys to doors, we got keys to windows. You know, my foot could be a key.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It doesn't matter how the knob is turned, whether it's with your hand in a key or whether you're reaching through the broken glass and opening it on the other side.

[Lacey Mosley]

It still got open.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It's still open.

[Lacey Mosley]

They said glass ceiling. It's glass for a reason. We gotta shatter it. Right. Which means we have to break in.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Glass ceilings, glass windows, glass panes. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep. All glass. I'm into it. I love this so much. And I love that it tied into. Now I have to go listen to that episode. And I guess I didn't thoroughly explain this. Cause the girls know, but Celebrity Book club is Chelsea Javantes podcast, where this is the biggest scam about that damn podcast. She is the only person in the fucking world who can make me read a book for a podcast. Like a whole book. Like, cover to cover. Like a actual textual book. And then you go and you talk about it, and it's such an amazing experience. You can, like, read along. And she be doing the messy books, too. Like that Jamie Lynn Spears tea.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Love a messy book.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love it.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. That is a real scam. Wanna be on my podcast? Yeah, girl. Okay. Read this book. So, yeah, but David Mamet scam was a real winner. And I gotta tell you, on the. I don't know. I can't. This happens A lot on the podcast, but my guest on the Molly Shannon episode also cried.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you have a power. We laughed a lot, but we also cry to the heart. Yeah. Yeah, I cry.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, so the scam in my current life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Yes. Okay, so what's that?

[Chelsea Devontes]

As you know, I'm planning a wedding with Yasser and I'm getting scammed every second of my life. Everybody knows this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Every time you put wedding on something, the robbery is happening. They're coming for it. It is.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And you know everyone, we all know weddings are a scam. But I made the decision. We made the decision. Like, y. I'm gonna throw my money away on a day that is valuable to me. I wanna do it right. So I'm in. I am ready to spend money on something stupid. And weddings are stupid. Love it. Very excited to have one, but it's very stupid. I'm ready to put my money in and I'm still getting scammed in ways that, like, I can't comprehend. Like, I was. Like, I was okay to do something stupid with my money, but this is ridiculous. Like, obviously all wedding dresses are fucking scams. I had a woman at a boutique tell me that if your wedding dress is less than four grand, it is basically fast fashion in the wedding world.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you know that. Okay, so did you ever watch say yes to the Dress or like every.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Second of every episode?

[Lacey Mosley]

That hater television show that was like Four Weddings and we hating on yours?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Four Weddings is the best television show to ever hit this earth, Lacey. You take the venom out of your mouth. It is a gift to us. Four weddings need to come back.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, this is our biggest reality TV show. Haters, let's find. Are you a hater? Do you live near Sacramento? Would you like to be on Four Weddings?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Would you like to shit on someone else's wedding? Wedding that you barely know forever on tlc?

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't even know them. You don't know them. You have a stranger who's a hater at your wedding.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. You're gonna vote on their wedding. They're gonna get those numbers. You wanna do that to somebody's wedding? Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I think a part of TLC's like the scam there with the wedding industry is that one. It was obviously free advertisement for all of these types of wedding dresses. And as women are watching, you know, they're thinking, like, these are the high end brands. I'm seeing them on tv. But also, like, when they would have their price points on, like, say yes to the dress. If you was coming, your price point was less than 2,000. If it was $2,500, they'd be like, oh, she's a poor.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Oh, there'll be no dresses for you. And here's the thing. Like, everyone's like, oh, but it's a wedding dress. It's like, my mom was a seamstress for so many years. I came up in the drag scene for a little bit. Like, you tool is 2 cents. It's 2 cents. Like, it's you guys.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, but did Vera Wang put her label on that tulle? Ooh, I think not. Chelsea.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I guess.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think my guest. So the last thing I wanted to say about that is just that my friend just. Well, she got married last year, but one of the things that she taught me about wedding dresses and stuff is, like, if you go find a white dress that you like and it's not in a bridal section or a wedding, it's going to be way, way, way more affordable than if you go to the section where they're like, oh, this your one special day to your one special person. Oh, we gonna give you one special price, bitch. And it's a lot. Yes, but continue.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, but that's. It's like an emotional scam that they run on women where they're like. Where they've sort of tied it to, like, does your partner mean something to you? Do you think this day is important? Have you cried while looking at yourself looking hot in the color white? Like, then you should.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everyone's gonna be looking at it. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, this is the most day. I think you should give us $10,000 for a piece of cotton. I mean, sunni is. I've been looking to scam the wedding industry back. I've decided I'm wearing multiple dresses, and all of them are gonna be deals. And I'm. I'm halfway through, I'm half in, and I've got.

[Lacey Mosley]

You tried on a lot of dresses. I've been watching your IG story. They all look fire, too.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, thank you. Thank you. But I mean, like, I'm going in. Like, I don't. I not only want the perfect dress, I want.

[Lacey Mosley]

I want.

[Chelsea Devontes]

When, like, I want someone to be like, how much did you pay for that? Like, it's a TJ Maxx commercial, you know? And I whisper the price, and they pass out. They're like, oh, my God, like, that's what I want from my wedding dress.

[Lacey Mosley]

They faint immediately. Why are there all these fainting couches? Oh, that's for when I tell Them, the price.

[Chelsea Devontes]

The price of this.

[Lacey Mosley]

They'll need somewhere to lay down.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. So anyways, yeah, it's a scam. I'm living in the scam. And I had. I went to a bartending company and I was like, how much for an open bar? Obviously, as a wedding guest, I can't come if there's not an open bar. Do you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a part of the contractual obligation of a wedding. I gotta buy you a gift. Especially if my ass gotta travel somewhere. Oh, bitch. Like, I gotta have an outfit that's appropriate, but also says that I care enough to dress nicely. No, you better give me some free booze. And it better be unlimited.

[Chelsea Devontes]

100%. I mean, weddings are a burden when I invite you. I have burdened you with my wedding. Should get something. By the way, I refuse to have a registry. Also, another scam. If you have the money to have a wedding and also decided to have a registry, you're like a bad person. Like, you need to put together.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sis. I went to a wedding. I can't be too specific because. But you actually would know. I'll tell you later. But I went to a wedding where there was a registry. And then you bought it online. But the registry opened, like, way before the actual wedding was. So they were getting the gifts from the registry as you. As soon as they sent out the invitation, so they was already opening the shit and using it. Like, I sent them, like, a very nice massager that was on there. They were like, oh, yeah, bitch, we already bust that open. The wedding is months away.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I just think it is of a moment in the past when you were starting your life and you had nothing and the community came together to give you something. And now it's like, there is so much pain and suffering in the world. If you were gonna be selfish enough like me to be a dumb bitch like me and have a wedding, you cannot also be taking people's registry money when it could be going to go fund me. Like, you just can't.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just have a line. I think that line is good for you because you popping and you and Yassir are both popping. And y' all know that y' all don't really need everybody's gifts. But I see this is a great grift for other people who do. You put all that money out into the wedding. Why shouldn't you get a chinette set? You know, why not?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Because, I mean, like, how many weddings?

[Lacey Mosley]

You're like, people are dying. No, but I mean, like, I do. I.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know, I think also, like, I have a lot of guilt about doing this. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm both holding the weight of like trying to celebrate this moment in life and this love in life. And also the moment of just like being like, am I looking at a stencil of my dog for the lattes? Like, what's wrong with me? You know? And so I think I have a lot of guilt. But how many weddings have you been to in your life where you thought like, like that was top to bottom, a wonderful day for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

So here's the thing. I used to cater waiters, so I've been to strangers weddings, not on tlc where I could hate on them on television, but just as, you know, bartending or whatever. And the ones that didn't have open bar, I would pour real heavy. Cause I felt sad for them. I was like, this is so trashy. Like, get these people drunk. But the ones that I've gone to are people that I know. I will say that some, some, one was a fun ass time from start to finish. Cause they're both like, one's a writer, one's a comedian. And they really made it a fun, chill experience. Demanded that we wear sneakers. And that was fun, you know, but beautiful wedding, money, money. Like one of the dads like came down and like dropped like a stack of like thousand ones on everybody's table. And there was like these dancers and like then we was throwing them money. It was, it was the most fun wedding. I think that I've been to the city, but then I've also been to other ones where it was so fucking draining. I was like, bitch, like, where's the plane? I gots to get out of here. Too many events. I mean, too much.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I love wedding. I will say I know I'm being a hater. I do secretly love wedding. I love weddings. However, when I. Most of my life, when I was broke, they were such a burden. They were such a burden. And so I just can't. I think I'm. Maybe I'm just operating from a place of guilt. But anyways, I go to get this open bar quote and this bartender's like $20,000.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I was like, oh my God, no. Like, bitch, for $20,000, I better have one drink and be on the astral plane. Yes, bitch, I better go to Mars. I was like, what are we doing? What are you talking?

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know, we're in LA though. But even still, I was like, I immediately was like, no, thank you. They wrote me back. They said, okay, 10, and I am.

[Lacey Mosley]

What I was okay, half off. Okay, what about 1500? What you got?

[Chelsea Devontes]

So I was like, oh, my God. Because I'm a bit of a. I'm a bit of a pushover. I don't like to push back. I don't like to negotiate and stuff like that. So it's like, I cannot believe I had to be like, fuck you to get a still crazy price. But that that price was always possible. And you're teaching me that every time someone offers me something, I go, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like, I can't believe you priced it that way. I can't believe you did that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because a lot of people will just pay it. They're like, look, we got to get these while we can't. Because for a lot of people, this is their one big day. Like, you were just at the Emmys. Like, you're gonna have so many moments where you wear beautiful dresses and the attention and spotlight's on you. But for a lot of people, like, this is their one moment, and they know that, so they're gonna take advantage of that desperation for everything perfect low key. I feel like sometimes while you're planning your wedding, you gotta be like, I'm just having a little party or whatever. It's a little birthday of love party to see what them prices looking like then.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And it's so much better. And also, like, I want to pay vendors. I want to pay small companies. And then they do that to you. And you're like, sir, okay, okay. Now I'm the crazy lady on Four Weddings being like, everybody get out.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a scam. It's all a lie.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It's all a lie. They're like, I'm.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's here for the TV show.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Isn't she supposed to be like, isn't the best day of her life? I'm like, fuck.

[Lacey Mosley]

So cute. Yeah. And that's the thing. They sell it as, like, the best day of your life or the most memorable. And, like, if everyone's not snotting and throwing up when you walk down the aisle, like, did you even turn it? Like, were you even a bride? But weddings, definitely up there in the scam. It's the zeitgeist scam. As much as you can lie to people when you doing stuff at your wedding and just tell them it's a birthday party, tell them it's your granny idiot. Like, whatever, it'll change the price. Because once you say special day. Oh, honey.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Cut it in a Third.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. This is my first marriage. I don't really even love them that much. So we don't need to do so.

[Chelsea Devontes]

We don't need to. This is a Valentine's Day party in white. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's all Valentine's Day, man. It's March. Yeah, but it's, you know, we a little late, but you get it. Scams. What's poppin congregation? Okay, I'm coming at y' all hot because we need to debunk some things about plan B. Emergency contraception, right? Now, listen, Plan B is not an abortion pill. It's safe, effective backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy before it starts. And are y' all ready for the inside tea? It works by temporarily delaying ovulation, and it will not impact your future fertility. Because some days, who knows, someday you might want a little unemployed person in your house. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step. Use as directed. As summer winds down, it's time to refresh your wardrobe with staple pieces for the season ahead. Quince nails it with luxe essentials that feel effortless and look polished. Okay, I'm giving quiet luxury now, honey. It's a whisper. They're perfect for layering and mixing. And their styles are so versatile. You'll find yourself reaching for them again and again and again and again and again and one more again. Okay, think like chic cashmere and cotton sweaters starting at just 40. A timeless style you'll keep coming back to again and again and again and again and one more again. And the best part is that everything with quince is half the cost of similar brands. Y' all know I love my washable silk tops, but I've also been getting into their cashmere sweaters because they're so soft. I really feel like a grown lady. You know what I mean? I'm, like, walking into the office and I, like, just lift my hand up and someone just puts a coffee in it. Like, I'm Miranda Priestley. Elevate your fall wardrobe essentials with quince. Go to quince.com goddess for free shipping. 365 day returns. That's Q-U I N C E.com goddess to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quints.com goddess cut. And now it's time for what's Hot and fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the zeitgeist. But more often than not, you know, guys, we're just gonna get a letter from you guys, I wanna hear what y' all are up to. Snitch on your friends and your family and your [e-mail]. just make sure the scam is retired so we don't. What? Yes. Fuck up your bag. Love our parasocial relationship. It's so nice. So I need a fake name. Chelsea for this person. We don't care about gender.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Gigi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gigi. I like Gigi. I like that. I don't know if I even know any GGs. I wish I knew some GGs. I feel like they're always hot.

[Chelsea Devontes]

My Gigi's my favorite. I just. What a hero. Hero and a goddess.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So Gigi says, skipping all the pleasantries, babe, because I know you won't read them. Oh, you be listening. Oh, and I love you bringing the parasocial. And respectfully, babe, I love when people do that on the Internet. Like, bestie, like, y' all are crazy. Love it. So, anywho, I'm super excited to be telling you about how I almost got scammed. Ooh, okay. Almost. I love the almost in this.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Happy ending at the top.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. We love to hear it. So, boom. Okay, Gigi's black. Anytime anybody starts on the way. Okay, so, boom. Like, we know the community. Okay, so, boom. I've been looking for an apartment slash house to rent because I need to move closer to my job. I see a listing for a cute little house with two beds and two baths for $12.50 a month. And I'm like, oh, hell yeah. By the way, I'm in North Carolina. I was about to say, cause 12.5amonth, child, I'd be living in a shoebox. It wouldn't even be a good shoebox either. It'd be from, like, Payless.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You'd be sharing that shoebox with a man who's like, and you give me blowjobs once a month.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I pay no rent or shoebox utilities. Yes. No, we can't be doing that. So I reached out to the private owner for an application, but not even 24 hours later, the listing disappeared. I chopped it up to someone beating me to it. Then I received the following email, and Gigi is with shits. She sends us the email. Damn, Gigi, you ain't even blocked the person name. I'm about to email him, see if I can scare him back. So the email of, okay, so home for rent. And then the person's name is just Evangelist. And then their email. Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm already like that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Feels like a category, like a genre of a person, not a name. You know, that's your religion.

[Lacey Mosley]

Singer. That's how I start off my avid reader.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is your name? Avid reader is great Voracious reader. That's when you tell people you're really smart. Come on now. So it says, hello, how are you doing? Question mark. Thanks for your email. I have decided to rent the house because we are going to spend more time here in Pennsylvania in all caps in parentheses. My family and I will be here for about three to four years due to the nature of my job. Let me start by introducing myself. I am Evangelist Stephen.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you an evangelist or is your name evangelist?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you house of evangelist?

[Chelsea Devontes]

It's like, I'm Catholic. Chelsea.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Like, is your first name Kathleen? I'm Baptist Mosley. What is your name?

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm Mormon Steve.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, now, Mormon Steve sounds legit.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Mormon Steve. That'd be real. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Evangelist Steven. I don't know what's going on here. So it says, I am Evangelist Steven. I must confess that I'm very new to this landlord business. However, the initial plan was to sell the house in case you see a realtor sign outside of the property or any advertisement online in case you decide to do some research and things look suspicious. We actually had wanted them to look.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Suspicious and we just kind of left the sign up.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't remember.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Cause we're in Pennsylvania.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pennsylvania. All caps? Yes. So you really know where we at. So they're already trying to throw you off the scent of like, if you see other people going into the house and they got keys and a family, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Okay. The house is empty and I definitely own it. Okay. So if you see anything online that says it's for sale, you don't have to contact them because I initially wanted to sell the process property due to my family advice, then decided to rent it out myself and also canceled all the arrangements with my previous agent because they were unfaithful with my property. What does that mean, unfaithful?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are they fucking that house?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. They fucked other houses. Like, I don't understand. You saw them banging a mailbox next door?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Fucked another house.

[Lacey Mosley]

I saw him with dick in a mailbox next door. And then we had to get rid of them. What does that mean? Also, how dumb do you think people are? You like, if you see some advertisements and stuff online, don't call them and ask them about nothing. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Explicitly. Don't contact them. He should have Just said like, hey, if you see that, here's what. But it's like, don't say that at all. Say that when you write back, hey, I saw the house was for sale. You write back like, oh, yeah, I put it up for sale.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why are you showing unfaithful, though? Unfaithful? With his listing, you were like, don't hit up them realtors because they be fucking on everybody's house, okay? So don't even trust them whatever they say, okay? They're bad. So they were unfaithful with the property, so we don't deal with them anymore and decided to rent it out ourselves. But it would be better to rent it out to a neat and responsible tenant who will take very good care of the house in our absence. Presently, my house is still available for rent. Rent already includes utilities. They put in parentheses the Simon sign in caps. Oh, Lord. This is, though. It says, I am in all caps, a philanthropist, and due to my all caps again, philanthropic heart, I decided to put my house so low with the price because I believe everyone deserves a place to call home in parentheses again, both the rich and the poors. Like, you added that we want it to be clean.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Did he say poor's plural, though?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, he said poor. Okay. I like to make things plural that aren't. It's a cultural thing. So we want it to be clean and tidy at all times. Pets are allowed as long as they are not destructive. The home is ready to move in asap. ASAP is not in all caps, though. Feel free to text and there's a number or email me for any further inquiries. And then it says, you know, information about the house and da, da, da, da. They also sent a rental questionnaire. So the rental questionnaire says, if you're interested in renting the home, then answer the questions below. Name first, middle surname, phone numbers, marital status, how many proposed occupants. List all the additional people, including yourself. But, like, the survey, I don't know if you can see this. And I'll. I'll. If I remember, I'll post it to the Instagram. And he wrote this himself clearly, like, what are these blanks? Like, you just put the underscore and just, like, kept it in space. Like, bro, what is. What's happening? Like, you wrote this yourself. Clearly, this is not a. You got Googled and got a rental form.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. They have just, like, those generic ones also. It's. It's like he's doing seven scams for one measly scam. Like, all you had to do is keep the listing up and send that form. Be like, great, you're interested. Fill this out.

[Lacey Mosley]

And people would. Yep. And you could have got an application fee, which is a lot of what these motherfuckers are doing is like raking up application fees and never actually renting the property out and then making a bag. So I have to keep reading this clearly. Homemade rental question. Which, sweetie? Etsy. You could have, like, went and printed it off. It would have looked way more legit. Not Etsy, but Tumblr, you know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

But you know what? Etsy, I believe it. Like somebody knit a questionnaire on Etsy that would have been better than this one.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly. Truly. And it probably came with some crystals or some shit like you playing yourself. So I have to keep reading this because it says present address. And then will you have pets? Please describe the breed and size. Okay, normal questions then. Personality of pet?

[Chelsea Devontes]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

What am I supposed to say? My pet got bad vibes, you know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He'S an introvert with a strong penchant for treats. Extrovert for treats, you know, he's going through a hard time right now, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, a little depressed, but a cool pet nonetheless. Like, what am I supposed to say to that? Like, cool. They're fun as fuck. The tightest pet you've ever met.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He's a bro. My dog's a bro.

[Lacey Mosley]

My dog loves to party. I won't lie a little too hard. I'm lie.

[Chelsea Devontes]

This dog is gonna get down on your house.

[Lacey Mosley]

House preferred move in dates intended length of lease. Do you agree to pay the payment before you move in? That one slipped right in the middle. Do you agree to pay the payment before you move?

[Chelsea Devontes]

The payment doesn't even say deposit. My goodness.

[Lacey Mosley]

Deposit. What is the payment? That's so vague. What's the payment? What is that? Yeah, yeah. Can you come up with the down payment today to secure the house and for us the down payment market and mail the keys and paperwork to you? So I'm not gonna see the house, you're gonna mail me the keys from Pennsylvania, and I have to send you the money site unseen also. What do you mean down payment, sweetie? I thought I was renting.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, this person's mixing up their sales scam and their rental scam. This is a copy paste mess. They have copy pasted the word philanthropy from one doc, the word ASAP from another.

[Lacey Mosley]

They got philanthropic. They got philanthropy looking like, how I say, unique now. Like unique. They're like, like just shouting it at people. Like, what? Why Philanthropic doesn't work as well.

[Chelsea Devontes]

My name is Philanthropic Chelsea. Okay, Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that for you. That's how you let people know how you coming. You coming from altruism?

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's right. Everything I do is a gift for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

For you. Middle name Evangelist. What's up? Okay. I mean, I love God, you know, which means I would never rob you, you know. So can you come up with a down payment? If I can shoot the paperwork, then it says, length of previous tenancy, present occupation. Are you section eight? Do you work late night? Why are those one one line questioning?

[Chelsea Devontes]

My goodness.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you section eight? And do you work late night? Why? Why do you even need to know it would not work. And also why they go together and.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Why you're showing the house during the daytime if I do work at night, like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, right. They can always make sure that you can. We actually only show the house at 2am, so if you can't come at 2, then you can't have it. And then it says, do you smoke? Do you drink? I've never seen a rental application ask that people drink. Maybe they're drinking.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, this is a doctor's form that they got mixed into this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right now it's like, when was your last period? What kind of form is this?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are you pregnant? From my realtor who been fucking around on this house.

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you fucked my previous realtors? Who?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Have you fucked my realtor?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause a lot of people have. Okay, so then at the end, it's like, I certify that these things are true to my knowledge, and I authorize the investigation of all statements. Da, da, da, da. So now they've like copied, pasted some legal jargon from somewhere else.

[Chelsea Devontes]

If you experience side effects of a stomach and hair loss, Zoloft cannot account for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. This is now talking what is happening? So we're back to Gigi. Gigi says, I knew I might have been getting got when I realized he was giving way more details than I really needed. Definitely the first flag, it says, I was also taken aback when he asked me to pay the $12.50 before I even got a chance to see the place. Also, this survey, the survey would have told me robbery right off top and then says, I was curious. Why were you curious? Now you just like scams Gigi, because at this point, you know that this ain't it. So since I was curious, so I put the address in on Zillow and it popped up. Well, Evangelist told you that was gonna happen.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Mm, yeah. Yes. He's been picking houses for sale and pretending he's renting them. This is clear.

[Lacey Mosley]

He told you that. Up top. He's like, I'm a liar from Pennsylvania maybe. And a philanthropist probably. I put in an inquiry and was met by several calls, texts and emails, lol. There were several realtors who were quick to tell me the house was already under contract to be sold, but they would happily find me a different one. Cause yeah, the real estate girlies are out here trying to get. Get a check. So they're like, wait, I contacted Redfin once and now they will not leave me alone. I have a realtor who kill is still contacting me because I am going to have to buy a place. But he be sending me videos, sis. Like, he sent me a video with his front facing camera one time and was like, hey, Lacey, it's your realtor. So. So just checking in your realtor girl.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh no. Oh no. They. They are also how cute.

[Lacey Mosley]

They took some sort of. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, was he cute?

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, then you can't, you can't. You gotta know what, you can get away with that. But tall doesn't show up on video. Do you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

He made it work. He started the angle lower so that I can see. Oh, so you would know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, he's next to a tree or something.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Stood next to several light fixtures. Just so you know, like, give you some.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Listen, I gotta tell you, in the middle of pandemic, I lost my mind. Started looking at farms in Minnesota. Found a farm that was like, you know, I said, yeah, I could live here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I sent a little inquiry that realtor. I'm on their list to this day.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're getting Christmas cards. Oh my God.

[Chelsea Devontes]

They called me 10 times a day, every day, being like, you can do it. You can buy this farm. And I was like, maybe I can. Maybe I can buy this.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the motivation.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I. I blocked. I had to block a realtor from Minnesota because I was like, I am sorry I lost my mind that night, but you have to stop calling me.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't own this farm. I don't know how far. Well, you better get a hoe and figure it out. Cause you about the old McDonald. Okay. Cause you buying this damn farm. Oh, you're buying the farm on the dotted line. Yes. I love the persistentness, the thirst, you know?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, I guess it works. It works on clients, so they keep doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you're thirsty, maybe realty could be your thing. Channel that thirst into. Into a coin. Okay. If you love like unrelenting contact with other people, who clearly don't want to speak to you Realty, you know, that could be incels.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are you out there?

[Lacey Mosley]

You are.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Real estate's in the making. You are millionaires yet to have found your correct.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get off 4chan and start slinging these houses and get on Zillow.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You are leaving money on the table.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is our new motivation, guys. Sign up for the motivational TED talk. We got you careers for whatever your flaws are. So there were several realtors. They hit them up, Hit them up. Hit her up. She said, I was truly upset because I'm a single mom and I cannot afford to be scammed like this. To end on a high note, I did end up getting in contact with a rental property agent who was more than happy, I'm sure they were, to assist in finding me a new home. Love the show. Thank you so much, Gigi. I'm glad you didn't get. I love that she went down the rabbit hole because you already knew this shit was foul, but you were like, ah, I'm so curious.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'll do it. Listen, Gigi, I have a full time job and many side jobs, and I will get on Zillow right now, North Carolina, and find you a rental home on my own accord. Do not give that person any money. I will be googling for you all the time. I'm afraid, I'm afraid the rental agent's gonna. Gonna take Gigi's money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, see, the rental agent was just trying to get her commission. So she did her thing and then she moved on. And Gigi and now her family are in a home. So I'm happy for y'. All. I'm happy that it ended on a know, I'm glad that you didn't talk to evangelist the evangelist Stephen, the philanthropist. Evangelist Stephen.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Philanthropist. Evangelist Stephen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because. And I get. It's funny though, in the scam because they're. They're explaining away every reason that you have to be suspicious up top. And anytime anybody does that immediate suspicion should happen. They're like, don't Google it. Don't call about it. You're never gonna meet me. The price is so low. Because I'm super nice.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Because I'm into philanthropy. It's just like when I'm gonna say dudes, but it could be anybody, if any gender, when they, when like they're caught in something and they say, well, I can't, I can't. Like, if you're. You're just gonna believe what you're gonna believe. Like, if you're not gonna believe me, Then you're not gonna believe me. It's like, okay, well, this is just. That's how you know. Like, okay, you fucked up. Because an innocent person would go, here's why you should believe me. And a guilty person goes, you already.

[Lacey Mosley]

Made up your mind.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You see, people tell you.

[Lacey Mosley]

You just. You were acting like this before you had this information, and now all of a sudden, because you got information, you want to act differently. Like, that's.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Wow, you can't trust me. It's a trust thing for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

They somehow make it about you. Honestly, anytime that happens in any type of relationship, run. Because that person is toxic. If people can't take responsibility for their actions, if they want to gaslight you immediately when you bring something up or act like you're. Because they have a problem with you have a problem with what they did. Like, get the fuck away from them.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah. Also, like, at least take 10 minutes to start gaslighting me. Do you know what I mean? Like, come with some good game. Like, 10 minutes in, you start your tricks. But moment one, like, now we're not.

[Lacey Mosley]

What are we doing here exactly? When I confront you, run out of the room, take a long walk, come up with some lies, come up with some good solid lies, and then come back and pitch me those lies. Like, don't insult me by not even giving me no lies. Like, you really just no.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No narrative, no fake, just nothing. You're offering nothing. Don't disrespect me like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't got a friend you could call who could get in on the scheme and lie with you? Like, you're not gonna do nothing. That's just. That's so disrespectful. So good. Okay. I deserve to be lied to. Yes. In a good way.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Put some thought into it, some effort.

[Lacey Mosley]

Photoshop some things, make some fake text messages. I don't. You know, come on now.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Get some documents on Etsy. I don't care.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Chelsea Devontes]

Pull up a photo. Let's see.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, let's see if he's really giving handsome or was he just tall and very talented when he took the fine art world by storm? Okay, this is him. Okay. He does have traditionally good bone structure. I can see him on Gossip Girl.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I feel like he's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is he a very.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I say I think he's a medium, but he definitely. You can see the money in the photo. So now he's a. A8.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're doing it. He's a. He's a 10, but yeah, yeah, right. He does art fraud. That's. That's an 11 to me.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, oh, you know what? Let me make my zoom. Let me make a screen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, zoom in a little bit. Lacy. Lacy.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Make the screen bigger. I think you're gonna change your mind.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He was like, I'm going down to a. I'm going down To a three.

[Lacey Mosley]

Those eyes are dead. No, get this. Oh, stop zooming in. Just. Damn. Oh, my God. This is stuff of nightmares.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Patchy, patchy, patchy beard, thin mustache. Yes, he is just tall and in a suit. He's not actually handsome.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he got us. He had us in the first half. Oh, hell no. That man looked like he was gonna be in his basement. I would be in his basement freezer. So fast. No thank you. He looked like he do murders on the side. That's his hobby.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like the bottom line of the eye chart at the dmv. Like it's just a little fuzzy and tiny and you're like, sure, but no.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, but you're just trying to make it out. Cause you're like, I need to get this license. Oh, no. Oh, no. Okay. Enhago. I was on your side for a second, but then we zoomed in and that was just, you know. Look, we're not gonna face shame here. Sometimes you're born with the face of a murderer. That's not your fault. Let's see. Because we can still like you. Let's see. All right, so he took the art world by storm. The dealer was good at making money and making other people money through his keen knowledge of the art world. But as it turns out, all. All his talents may have just been a massive Ponzi scheme. He just showed up, tall and white, and they were like, this guy, he's the guy. That's right.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Also, I don't know if I'm mad yet, because the art world that it sounds like he's in, which is WASPy white art world, is a scam in itself, you know? Yeah. So it's like. I don't know if I'm mad at the scam yet. Cause it's all kind of a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Although I know a lot of artists and people who make visual things and things with their hands and things like that. And I don't think that making art and being artist is a scam, but I think the way that it's commodified in these higher end spaces absolutely is like, shit gets a little weird and dicey.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, I said the WASPy art art world. I didn't say the good art world. But if you're. If you are a WASP making art, I don't think the odds are on your side for not being a scam. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Unless you're Lana Del Rey, you know, she did it great.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You're gonna roll for Lana Del Rey. I didn't see that coming. That's a true shock.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, we all have our problematic faves, okay? And I loved her music. I mean, she's a cop lover. I love that. But, you know, she made that whimsical white woman music that when I was in the Hamptons, I had to be a part of, you know?

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm sorry, Lana Del Rey is a cop lover? Like, this is another twist. I can't. I can't. I mean, I'll give her tenacity. You know what I mean? She had like, what, four pop star names? And then she like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, Lizzie settled on Ethereal Lizzie. Yeah, she did.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

She was like, I'm settling on the feeling of Molly. I think everybody's gonna enjoy.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yes. I'm settling on the feeling of music that if you're on Molly, definitely makes sense. And if you're not on Molly, I'm just kind of like I'm ambiance.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Or main character music for when you're morose in the summer, like you're floating around in your expensive pool. But you deserve to be sad, too. Rich, beautiful, you know?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Of course she's a cop lover. Why did I not see that coming?

[Lacey Mosley]

So who is this Philbrooke guy, this Ingo Philbrick? So Ingo grew up the son of a relatively known museum director, Harry Philbrick. Mr. Philbrick was the director of Ridgefield, Connecticut's Aldrich Museum of contemporary art from 1996 to 2010. That's like 14 years. So he was really in that thing, really doing the arts to people. So during his tenure, he was known for staging ambitious shows, but by difficult, in quotes artists such as Anselm Kiefer and flipping older art pieces to purchase more contemporary art. So we have a picture here. This is one of the arts. This is titled Der Gorsch Noten or the Gordon Knot. And this is an example of Keeper's work. So you could see how somebody would want this sad ass shit in their home, right?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah. And shout out to the names on this episode.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, just from front to back.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Incredible. I totally can see how this is a art piece that someone would pay a lot of money for.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I don't know why, but the feeling that it evokes for me is sadness. Like, I don't want to look at that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, how much money would I pay? I would pay $50 to remove it from my house.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like this is the kind of photo that puts a curse on you like, that's the movie pitch. You buy this photo and then weird shit starts happening in your house.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's right. There's a witch hidden in that photo for sure. Painting. Painting.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, what if we did the Blair Witch Project, but we made it a painting? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, the markings. I feel like you could solve the zodiac murder by looking at this. There's a little R and a D and an N. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is it speaking to me? This is also giving me, like, something I would see in an escape room. And we need to, like, get all the words, letters out of it and do some kind of word salad to get the key out the toilet or something. Like it's giving. Yeah. So after graduating from Connecticut high school in 2005, NGO, or NGO, excuse me, attended his father's school, Goldsmith, at the University of London.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Let's call him Indiegogo.

[Lacey Mosley]

Indiegogo. We're gonna call him Indiegogo. So Indiegogo and his father's relationship grew quietly strained several years later. But he could never escape their connection. Of course it became strained. I love that. So Waspi. So he moved. He used that to his advantage and he moved forward in his career. He would present himself as a confident, well connected person who may or may not benefit from his father's connections. So much like your mom and Shannon's story. Even though that wasn't her father and she never had met him, she was like, connections. You know, they're not gonna know how.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Connections. Also, rich people, like, always, whenever they do have connections, they're like, it's not that I benefited from those. They're always. I may or may not have used my father's lawyer's friend to get my job in New York Times. I mean, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I never understood why they're so on their high horse about that shit either. We all have privilege. Like, if you have running water and lights, you have privilege. If you have a two parent household where they weren't abusive to you, that is a privilege. We all have different privileges, but for some reason, Nepo kids are. I work for everything myself, by myself alone. Yes, my mother's Gwyneth Paltrow. But, like, what are you saying?

[Chelsea Devontes]

I know. I really can't understand it because, like, I would be like, bitch, my mom's Gwyneth Paltrow, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I would be the worst. Like, you would never. If I was Blue Ivy, sweetie, I would go by Beyonce's daughter. I would change my name to Beyonce's firstborn. Address me as such.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, I'd be like, actually, you're not bullying me. I'm Blue Ivy. How much money for you to not bully me? Bully me? Beyonce. Mom, like, please, Like, I would. That would be one of the greatest privileges.

[Lacey Mosley]

You would know it all the time. I wouldn't try to hide it. I would wear shirts with Beyonce face on them all the time. I'd be like, oh, it's just my mama, you know, she be giving me her old merch or whatever, you know? Like, you're gonna know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's not gonna say Baehive. It says mom. Hive.

[Lacey Mosley]

I call her mom. Y' all call her BAE and Beyonce.

[Chelsea Devontes]

But listen, I, like, I'm Emma Spielberg. Like, now treat me like one, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everywhere that I go. So in 2010, at the age of 23, he began interning at London's highly prestigious White Cube gallery. He quickly rose through the ranks to run the founder Jay Joplin's second business. In 2013, Indiegogo decided to launch an independent career, and Jay liked him so much that he offered to financially support him. So things were going so well for Indiegogo that he was like, oh, bitch, I'm about to have my own arts. I'm about to slang my own arts and whatnot. Love that for him. And then, of course, they're like, you're tall and young, and you're very confident in a white man. Give him money, y'. All. Give him money. What are we doing?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, hold on, hold on. Hey, money, Money. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Come forth. Yeah, we know. We got you. Why did you. Did you even ask? No, you don't have to ask. Hold on. Get the money out for him. So, Indiegogo. Don't be rude.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Give him money without him saying anything.

[Lacey Mosley]

What are y' all doing? Look at this man. He's over 6ft. So Indiegogo opened his own gallery and consultancy in London's Mayfair, specializing in post war and contemporary art. I love, like, a. Like, I always wonder how people get into businesses that are so niche. Like, if you own a lamp store, like, when did you wake up and you were like, lamps? That's it? No, that's all I'm gonna sell. No, we selling lamps.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, it's just.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just lamps. Yep. So he's gotten a very specific niche type of art and opened a whole gallery.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You said post war.

[Lacey Mosley]

What was it?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Post war.

[Lacey Mosley]

Post war and contemporary art.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, which is ridiculous. You want the art made during the war. That's where the passion, the emotions are. The emotions.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, this Is art if you're, like, very rich and, you know, you have, like a.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like, I'm over it. I'm over the war. This is art that has no war.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just squares. It's just, like, cool shit that, you know, we use as a backdrop while we do cocaine. So, you know, we see it. So they continued to do business together for the following six years, allegedly utilizing a shell company called On G to obscure their identities. So they got a shell company for art. Anytime you got a shell company, we know you're doing crime. Yeah. So when Indiegogo struck out on his own, he was noted for two things. His relative youth at the front of every auction and the way he always appeared. Is much more interested in the financial dealings of art than the art itself. Which, of course.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, but also, like, what? Like, he's young and all he wants is money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which made him special.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Which made him stand out. I'm pretty sure that's like, what got me called a bitch. It's like, well, she's 22, she's a waitress, but all she wants is her money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You just want money. Too bad, Chelsea. Like, what the fuck is you. Oh, you did the work and then you wanted the money afterwards. That's. That's weird. Okay. Of course. Yeah. You didn't show up as a tall.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He didn't want the painting.

[Lacey Mosley]

A handsome white man from 70ft away. Yeah, exactly.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You get closer, you're like, nobody's ever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Seen him up close. He always stands 70ft away. We had a.

[Chelsea Devontes]

A lunch meeting.

[Lacey Mosley]

He sat at two restaurants over and was on the phone. He doing deals.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And you know what? Very good looking. Gave him all my money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Gave him. Because he deserves. I'd be remiss if I didn't give him all my money. So his laser focus on deal making led him to a series of lucrative art investments in the years after his departure from White cube. Beginning in 2014 and 28, or between 2014 and 2018, Indiegogo bid on at least 11 six and seven figure works and won four of them, which. That's a really good ratio for. Like, these are six, seven figures. So these are millions or hundreds of thousand dollars worth of art. And he bagged four out of the way.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are you talking art to me? You're talking art to me right now. So that's true. That's a real thing. Like, like he really. That's a good numbers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. The most expensive was a $3.5 million Basquiat painting and a $3.2 million. Christopher Wool. So of the seven figures, like, two of those were, you know, added up to almost $7 million.

[Chelsea Devontes]

So I just don't think you should get a prize for buying things like, oh, he bought millions of something that was a million dollars.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, okay, that's what the stock exchange.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Is, what we're commending.

[Lacey Mosley]

They was good at buying. Yeah, the stock exchange.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Have you done your stock exchange scam episode? Oh, my God, Bring me back. I have so much to say.

[Lacey Mosley]

So many.

[Chelsea Devontes]

The stock exchange is. Oh, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

A racket. Yes, it's so true.

[Chelsea Devontes]

A racket. Listen, I'm sorry. I never listened. I had to do it for late night and like, I just never want.

[Lacey Mosley]

To see it again, bro. I mean, do you have your money.

[Chelsea Devontes]

In the stock market?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't right now. Not a lot, but I have to get into diversifying, you know, Child, I can't even. Ugh.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Well, it sounds like you're buying art. Sounds like you have an art bottle.

[Lacey Mosley]

I need to start buying hella arts. That's what I'm gonna do. You used to be an art basel. You know, let's run it up. Okay. I want that art and that art too. Put that art in my trunk. You know, that's the lady who puts all the art in her trunk. Yeah, that'll be me. The purchase firmly cemented Indiegogo as a dealer in the international art market, which led to him basically getting a dream deal. So this is the undoing. Oh, I love that. The undoing. Bring me back to Nicole Kidman. Wait a minute. I'm ready. Give me that shrimp on the Barbie accent any day. Just creeping out when she does her American accent. Love that for us. Shout out to Nicole. She loves movies. So in 2015, he signed on deep. Good.

[Chelsea Devontes]

She's single handedly bringing back the cinema in a gray suit.

[Lacey Mosley]

She got AMC on her back. Okay, Nicole, that's a scam.

[Chelsea Devontes]

The AMC paid her for that commercial. And they're like, here's how we get films back.

[Lacey Mosley]

You watch a movie and filmer. Filmer watches. Look, she says she loved movies. Filmer, filmer.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Have her say movies is fun and good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all heard it straight from Nikki herself. Now what y' all gonna do? He was like, who needed to be.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Told movies were good. We all love movies. Like, I don't understand.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't know why. It wasn't until she said it. And I was like, oh, okay, I see your point, Nicole. Okay, sure. Movies is fun and good. I'm a be here. I'll give him my money. So the undoing. In 2015, he signed on to buy and sell blue chip works at a profit on behalf of a company called Fine Art Partners. Fap. Blue chip works are by.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, I got a fap.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, you got a fap. You got the. I'm thinking of wop. So got that wet ass art.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I got that wet ass art up in here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay? Blue chip works are by known, tried and true artists basically guaranteed to make money. So, like, a Basquiat would be a blue chip work. Like a Banksy would be a blue chip work. Like, they're about the famous girlies. The girlies that if you have it in your house, people like, is that. Is that Kandinsky? You know, is that. You know that means you're really. Okay, okay. You're spinning a coin. So FOP was founded and run by former Morgan Stanley banker. I can't stand that it's called fop.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm sorry, I can't stand it.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's not sexy.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I can't believe this is real.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay, so fop. Fop. Fop. By former Morgan and Stanley banker Daniel Trumel. He was one of the founders and German judge turned art researcher. Loretta. And you know you gotta have somebody German when you're doing smart shit like Wiltenberger. That just bodes confidence for me. So look at them in this picture. Like the. The woman, this Waltenberger, she looked like she know art. Look at that haircut. It's giving paintings.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I've never seen someone look more like a German judge turned art broker. Like, there's no one who could fit this description more. She's somehow wearing a three quarter suit jacket that's also a cape.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's art. And that's the law. She knows her brand. The brand is strong. Okay, so together they would acquire works and require Indiegogo to pay only 30 to 35% of the purchase price. He would then hold the works in storage until it looks like they were reaching their predetermined target price. So he would hold them, much like they do with diamonds in the mine to get the price up, and then he would release them slowly. So at that point, he would complete the sale and flip the work. The key was that fop, what a name. Didn't require indiegogo to front his part of the purchase price until he resold the piece. So basically he was using other people's money to buy art and then flip it. And then that's when he would pay his part of owning the piece and Then he would also reap, you know, a part of the portions. Like, you know, this only sounds smart to me.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm not seeing this standard.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love to. So this meant that most of the time, he had large amounts of cash to operate, and theoretically plenty of time to both buy and sell the works for profit. Because they just giving him money. You know, he showed up and he looked like he deserved money. And so everybody's like, yeah, we'll front all the risks for this. Cause you deserve money and no risk. So, for example, in 2015, Indigo purchased an untitled Donald Judge stainless steel sculpture. And we have the sculpture here. Okay, that just looked like some shelves I could get from ikea. And like, you know those shelves that are freestanding, you just put them into the wall. Okay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

100% a freestanding shelf. And, like, not one that holds the wall.

[Lacey Mosley]

Give me a guess. For this freestanding shelf. How much do you think it costs?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Ooh, this is gonna be painful. Okay, what I think it should cost 20.99 what I think it actually cost at Ross.

[Lacey Mosley]

And.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Well, okay, so you said he was in the millions, so I guess I'll say 1.1 million.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's not a bad guess. 2.25 million was what they purchased it for.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, it's double. It's double still.

[Lacey Mosley]

But you were up there. Wow.

[Chelsea Devontes]

This is what I'm saying, though. Like, this is the scam of all. Like, the person who sold this is the scam artist. This artist is a scam artist.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love that for them. Cause the thing is, once you have enough clout, you can just charge anything thing for your art. You know, you could basically sometimes destroys the art. You buy it and it goes through a shredder. He's like, y'. All. Y' all dumb, but thanks for the money, hoes. You'll never know who I am. Love that for him or her? We don't know. Yes, and I love that. But so their. Their goal, they purchased this at 2.25 million, and the target resale was $2.8 million. So a sale for any less would eat into Indiegogo's cut. So he had to, like, get the money up so that he would get his cut because he's not participating in the risk of purchasing. But as the months went on, resales weren't happening, and the founders grew frustrated. Trumpo pressed Indiegogo for sales as FAP needed the money for its tax bills. But he was only met with lengthy and dramatic explanations. Okay, see, at least you have the decency to lie. Indiegogo, we love that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, yes. At length.

[Lacey Mosley]

You respect them at nauseam. Okay. Give me a book. A lie. I want it. So he. This is a quote from Indiegogo. He says, to rush these sales is signing your own death knell. Oh, man. You know, he went to school and London said poetry. To rush these sales is to sign your own death nail. That's so fancy. What a fancy way to gaslight people. I love that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Oh, talk dirty to me. Fap.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fap. So things continue.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm sorry, I just keep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Go ahead.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's just. It's just. Are you not thinking fat ass pussy? Like, is this not what we're thinking every time we say this? I just have to know if it's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Only me fat ass pussy. Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's all I've heard this whole time.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, if you got that, maybe it's f. P. S Fatass pussy. I don't even know if they say pussy. Is that the lexicon in the UK I feel like they call it like a snorken crutcher or something. They always got weird words for shit.

[Chelsea Devontes]

A crumple.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was down in my mini mount.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I don't know. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then he licked my mini mount. Like, what is.

[Chelsea Devontes]

And he licked my mini mount raw. Raw.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, you know, this is how I imagine. Yes. So that's also how I imagine sex with a British person. It's just like. Oh, more of that. Oh, that's lovely. Yes. I'm having a great time.

[Chelsea Devontes]

So just like a fabulous time where they just, like, compliment you in, like, light and lovely ways.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, your buddies. Smashing. Right fit.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Smashing success.

[Lacey Mosley]

And at the end, when they come, it's like, good day. That's Australian.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, they come. They Brexit. I'm sorry, Brexit. I'm Brexit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm Brexiting. I'm Brexiting right now. In your mini mount? Yeah. Okay. See, this is Sorry. Sorry to y' all in the UK Y' all know how I do. So things continue to deteriorate. And too late did FOP realize that they gave Indiegogo too long of a leash. So he's not selling these paintings anymore. He has no liability. He didn't purchase them. He's leaving them cash poor because now they're not getting their coins back. And they're like. And okay. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Again, smart. It all sounds so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Indiegogo's lavish lifestyle. Meanwhile, Indiegogo continued his extravagant spending in his own life he took private planes and frequently ordered bottle service in nightclubs. Now not you buying bot like not you in the club but also like.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like you're running whole ass scams and it's.

[Lacey Mosley]

You just can't bring out the bottle.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It's a 20 price vodka for a sad woman to bring it a very tired.

[Lacey Mosley]

I. I've had to do a bottle servicing the sparklers.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I was gonna say Lacey, I'm almost positive. Yeah, you're like here's your vodka.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then you gotta make sure they tip cause they be drunk and you gotta like look at the ch. It's a lot. So shout out to the bottle girls out there because now if you wanna be a bottle girl you need like a bbl.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Do you ever change a tip on a check?

[Lacey Mosley]

So legally I have never done that. However, you know, sometimes if a mistake was made by the patron then that has to be corrected for the stash have. That's all I'll say. I'm just, I'm just clearing up clerical errors, you know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You, you've moving the point back a little bit. Cuz it's like oh, you put it too close. That's all it needed to be B back here. Right.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Because they made an error.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm just helping the community.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know and I have to say.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like legally though, you've never done it. And legally though, I've never done it. If you were to run a scam, it's one of the most solid ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cuz like allegedly people don't really check.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Because same there's not a lot of pe. They're not checking that tip amount. So I'm just saying were you to run a scam would be the perfect place.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also they're probably intoxicating.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That would be bad and wrong.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I'm just saying not to take advantage of intoxicated people. I'm just saying they probably won't remember if they left the good tip that they wanted to leave. But if you are a, if you.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are a person ordering bottle service legally, do you deserve to be scammed?

[Lacey Mosley]

You've already bought into the scam because you're buying an overpriced bottle just so you can get attention in the club. So you're already a part of the scam. So you might as well like see it through. You're part of.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You said yes to yes, which means.

[Lacey Mosley]

You say yes to everything including the tip which might need to be, you know, moderate. Yeah.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Collab, moderated. Collaborated. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a collaborative experience. Like, you made a suggestion of the tip. And then we analyzed that and then we allocated funds. We analyze that suggestion. You know.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. We put it through an algorithm of our current rent prices and future needs. We run that through that algorithm. That's right. Inflation, factors of attitudes, things said during the capital.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was it a black card?

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know, joke? Did you make a joke? Like, what's going on here? And then we calibrate that this is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just an adjustment and give you the right people.

[Chelsea Devontes]

We're finding a tip.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just like. Just like Indiegogo. So at the time, he was dating Victoria Baker Harbour, an English socialite best known for her role on the popular British reality show Made in Chelsea. Never heard of that show, but she is giving me baddie reality vibes.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, that's a dress where like, if you described it, it should be something I'm in love with. And the execution, I can't. I just don't know how you executed a thousand feathers.

[Lacey Mosley]

This pourla, it's giving like.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know what I mean? Like, doesn't it feel like something we should love?

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like if I saw it on a mannequin, I would love it. And I'd put it on, I'd be like, oh, no. Cause it honestly looks like she was tarred and feathered. It looked like they put a bunch of Elmers on her and then pushed her into the craft section of Joanne's fabrics.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's right. It looks like she was a Mormon in the 1940s and they tarred and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feathered her all the way to also. Oh, clearly Ms. Victoria likes her a cocktail because in this photo, she got her Martin or her Cosmopolitan right next to her and she at the bar. So you gonna buy the bottles for Victoria, honey, she will accept nothing less. Nothing less.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he wore 5,000 pound suits. Handmade shoes. Handmade shoes. Come on, you got a cobbler, that's how you know you rich. A belt with a diamond lodged in the pin and a 48,000 pound watch. That's an expensive, expensive ass watch because like that's almost double American dollars.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, that's what, like 60,000?

[Lacey Mosley]

Around 60, 70,000 USD. Because our money ain't strong. Our money weak. So I'm need to eat some spinach, get like Popeye. Cause, bitch, what's going on with the money? So he even kept an account at Mayfair Restaurant Cipriani so that dinner companions would think he was too important to need to give a credit card. So when he left, he didn't even have to pay such. Charge it to my account. I'm too rich to pull out my card.

[Chelsea Devontes]

That's a Lacy Mosley movie.

[Lacey Mosley]

I say that shit. I knew you were gonna say that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I said, that's some Lacey Mosley shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you also have a toddler that's never gonna look? No. We're gonna go to dinner soon. I will. I will maybe let you pay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

No, no, I'm ruining your life. Next time I take. Next time I take you to dinner, a parade's gonna come out in your honor from me. Me to pay you back for.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that we're both on the same penny type of time. Like, yeah, we're going back to dinner and I'm gonna ruin your life.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay. I'm gonna ruin your life with dinner with me next time.

[Lacey Mosley]

How dare you? So in 2018, he opened the Blue Chip Gallery in Miami, the first of its kind in the area. And it was immediately popular. And if you don't know like Miami, you know, because of the industries in Florida and how shady everything is. But Miami has a huge art scene. Art Basel happens there. I once saw a banana go for millions of dollars. It was a banana that was nailed into a wall. It's money laundering, but, you know, it's cute, it's very sexy, and the girls love to go down. So his spending didn't track with the lack of sales that he was making at 5. So now FOP is probably on Instagram. Like, this motherfucker getting bottles again. And we ain't sold none of these paintings. Bitch, where he getting all this? Damn.

[Chelsea Devontes]

We saw the diamond in that belt. Is that the diamonds in that belt?

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, no, like I'm sure.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Is that a diamond in the pin.

[Lacey Mosley]

Of that belt on everything. They're checking the prices of them shoes. Look, homemade. Who making him homemade shoes? Like, we need to fight him.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Are those shoes off of Etsy? Who's home making him Etsy shoes?

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, yeah, I got these from Louis Vuitton. But no, Louis made them himself. He came in, sewed them up.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Old ass Louis.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, Indiegogo's hand was a little shaky, but that's just a part of the attention, you know what I mean? Some of the stitches a little, you know, but it's cool. So in 2017, a buyer named Leonard Freeland bought an untitled Rudolph Stingle. Lots of names in here. Painting of two ravens from Indiegogo and FAP for about $6 million. So this is the painting that was 6 mil.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Again, $6 million. I gotta tell you, I went to a pinot and paint class with some girlfriends, and I think I painted it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I feel like you could definitely do this at a sip and pay in a SM and a half.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, this is. It's a. It's a sil. It's a silhouette of twerk.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, like, this is the kind of flex that, like, if you put this in your home, you have to. You're flexing on other rich people. Because I'm never gonna walk past this and be like, is that a $6 million bird painting of the crows? No, I'm never gonna know. So this is a flex for other rich people of, like, look, I'm also rich because I would never spot this. So in 2018, the same work sold at the Phillips Auction house for a small loss at 5.9 million. But a year after, there was a correspondence between Indiegogo and Trim Pill about how Free Friedland still owed them $6 million for the painting after its resale. And while Indiegogo was attempting to sell him another painting for $5 million. So FOP was like, hey, we actually didn't get any money from that painting that we sold the 6 million. We don't. Hey, it's us over at Fat Ass Pussy. We the pussy. Starting to get a little skinny because we don't have no money.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, it's a little dry up in here.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we'd like the fudge. Okay. And he's already trying to sell this person another $5 million painting. Painting. But they haven't recouped any of their money for the original one that he sold. So Trumpo was frustrated at this point, but chalked it up to possibly a German versus Russian way of doing business. So they're still giving this man so many chances. Y' all are out how many millions of dollars at this point. And y' all like. But he's so tall, though. He tall. We gotta just tall people in the sky. They do it different.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It must be a Russian and German cultural era.

[Lacey Mosley]

What? Theft is universal. Okay? I don't speak every language, but I can speak robbery in any language. When Indiegogo did make them money, the amount was enough to not make them heavily question the hiccups, at least for a time. So, you know, in a Ponzi scheme, like, you start to pay people back their, you know, dividends or their, you know, return on investment or whatever. And so that keeps them along the ride for longer periods of time because they're like, well, I am seeing a little coin. It's not the 6 million that I'm owed. But, you know, he's not completely ghosting us financially. He's given us a little something. So in reality, Indiegogo has been reselling the ownership of the art out from under fap Fop, while continuing. While they were continuing to question him about the resales and the lack of payments. So he's. He. They're buying the art, they're trusting that he's going to get them the best price for the resale. He's like, yeah, let me hold them on to my trip. And he's just slanging these pieces, slanging them. And they have no idea that these pieces are selling. They're not recouping their losses or their investment. He's just like, well, y' all buy the paintings, and then I sell the paintings and keep the money. This business arrangement don't work for y'. All. That's cause y' all German. See, I don't know how we do it over here. So because the art was held in storage during the sales, the owners never actually saw it, and many were taken in by the promise of a little risk with a big reward.

[Chelsea Devontes]

They bought an Instagram photo.

[Lacey Mosley]

They never saw the. They were sending the money. He's at the auctions, front row, looking tall and young and money hungry, and they're actually never even seeing physically what they're spending their money on. Guys, y'. All. Y' all deserve to be robbed. I'm kind of on Indiegogo's side right now.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I know. I. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

In the most extreme example known, Indiegogo sold multiple overlapping shares in Rudolph Stengel's painting of Picasso. So now he's selling like. Like, basically people are investing in the sale of this Picasso. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, y' all get involved. Yeah, y' all all gonna get a cut when we sell it.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, it's a time he's doing. Running a timeshare. A timeshare on a pico.

[Lacey Mosley]

You get the paint in for Christmas and Arbor Day, they get the pay in for Thanksgiving and Father's Day. No, it's not. It's brilliant. Arbor Day's bigger than Father's Day. No, don't worry. You're still getting. You're getting the best deal. What? So. So he told FOP in March 2017 that he had bought the work in full for $7.1 million. But two months prior, he had sold a firm called SAT Finance for 50% of the share of the painting, worth 3.5 million. So it's highly unusual in and of itself to treat a painting as a financial investment and sell any kinds of shares rather than the full title. Like how I'm owning a part of a painting. You're right. It's a timeshare. So in June 2017, Indiegogo sold the same painting again to Gazzuni Properties, an investment vehicle controlled by billionaire UK brothers Simon and David Rubin. Around two years later, the brothers consigned the painting to Christie's auction house, where it sold for 6.52 million. Meanwhile, Indiegogo toe fop that the piece had been consigned under the company, and with the aid of falsified documents, said that he had guaranteed that he was going to get 9 million from Christie's. So now he's just lying to them. He's like, oh, I'm selling it under fop. Y' all about to. That pussy about to be fat again. Don't even worry about it. Chrissy said they gonna get us nine mil.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm coming. I'm coming back. I'm coming back to you. Later, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, just sit tight. Yeah, Michelle, it's all in the garage. Remember, like, that's what we said. We're putting it. I got good lights in there. So now FOP and SAT Finance and the Rubin brothers are fighting in court over who's the rightful owner of the painting. Mm.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, it's like an episode of Maury, but they all wanna be the father.

[Lacey Mosley]

The DNS has just shown that you are not the painting. And then they just run around.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You are not the owner of this painting.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. The cameramen are running super fast around Christie's. I hope it's that kind of drama. That's the kind of drama I live for. Rich people mess. I love a big little lie. Give it to me. Put it in my veins. So Indiegogo finally hit the end of his rope when FOP sued him in October of 2019. Y' all waited way too long to sue this man.

[Chelsea Devontes]

It's taking you a long time, Fop. Like, this was a long time coming.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like the way he spending money. I don't even know if you gonna get anything. So since then, at least five other claims have been filed in the US Alone for a number of works, including the Stingle Picasso. Right. So since then, at least five other claims have been filed in the US Alone for a number of works, including the Stingle Picasso that was supposed to go for 9 million. That. That he was giving out everywhere. The Infinity Room and a Basquiat painting of two crown figures titled Humidity. That was from 1982. That's what we're. So this is the Infinity Room. He sold the Infinity Room. That's in America. How do you say that? Do I own part of the Infinity Room? I feel like we all own apartment now. We should sue aside. I would love to go.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Can we go for Arbor Day?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, yes. That's when we. That's our timeshare of the Infinity Room. We'll kick everybody out. And then this is the Basquiat that he also is tied up legally for. So London's High Court has also granted at least four separate requests to freeze Philbrick's asset. I love how these are requests. Like, over here in America, they just freeze them. Girl. They put them on ice. Like, you don't. Hey, hey, love, if. Hey, hey, it's us at the High Court in London. We just want to, like, if you got a chance, if you. If you don't mind, if you're free, could you freeze his assets, please? It would just be really kind if you could do that. Like, y' all the government. Y' all supposed to just pull up and debo. Y' all a gang. It's actually better that you don't. But that's just what we're used to over here. It's bad. So it also turns out that Indiegogo had gotten so deep in his dealings that he used the Boss Gap as collateral for a $13.5 million loan. The loan was declared in default in October 2019 when he makes the six figure income interest payment. And Athena secured the Basquiat as it was on its way back from a show at the Mori Art Museum in Tokyo.

[Chelsea Devontes]

So now the loan sharks got the Basquiat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. They've.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Nobody's ever. No one else is ever getting the Basquiat. You know what I mean? Like, if the lone people have the Basquiat, like, it's never going back to the brothers and whoever else thinks they have it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they're fighting. The brothers are fighting over the Picasso. The Basquiat is another one that he's tied up as collateral for a $3.5 million loan that he obviously could not afford to pay. So he's in deep. He owe everybody money. So the same buyer that had bought the partial share in the Stengo Picasso also claims overshare ownership over the Basquiat, saying that he paid a 66% share for it in 2016. So now we're doing shares. Yeah, but what is a majority owner of a painting I can't believe you.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Guys are doing paintings and shares. That's. I mean, I wasn't ready, but honestly.

[Lacey Mosley]

A brilliant idea, because this is something that is not typical in the art world. So people who are all about the money and see a finance guy, again doing what is done in our industry. That is our industry, turning art into financial profit for large corporations, they might see this as a new frontier. And anytime you're dealing with a new frontier, it might be a new scam, honey. You never know. Mm. Okay.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So by the time that he was set to appear in court, he had closed his galleries, disconnected his phones, and. And vanished.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah, that seems right.

[Lacey Mosley]

His then fiance, Victoria, the reality queen who loves a cocktail, left the US with him to go to a tiny South Pacific island of Vanuatu. She said, I was aware that he had nothing material left to offer me, but his kindness and consistency were enough to submit my choice and temporarily leave the world that I knew behind. She's like, he was so tall, and he was poor now, but. But I'm a good person and a philanthropist, so.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Wait, she said kindness and what. What was the other quality?

[Lacey Mosley]

Consistency.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Consistency. Okay, yeah, because he is. He has no job, so he's definitely around. You know, it's giving that dick call.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, maybe the dick was dicking because.

[Chelsea Devontes]

But that being said, I give kindness and consistency to my. How long did that last?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not going on the lamb because you give me words of affirmation.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm not leaving the country.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And of course he got consistency. He ain't got no job. Where else does he have to clock in other than love?

[Chelsea Devontes]

You're the only thing in his life. He's on the run. Lana Del Rey has the cops after him like he has nowhere to go.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in Vanuatu, they rented a small house and continued to travel throughout Asia. Sounds like he had a little bit of money to give you. If y' all were traveling and renting houses during their island life, the couple didn't attempt to hide their identities. Indiegogo booked tennis lessons under his own name, and they even adopted tennis lessons.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, all right, all right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know how you need tennis lessons when you're on the run from the government?

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know how tennis lessons are a basic staple? It's food, water. Tennis lessons.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tennis lessons.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He's not even playing. He's still learning.

[Lacey Mosley]

Education, the ultimate privilege, right? If you're not going to continue learning. Okay, yeah, I'm on the run from all the laws, several countries, but, hello, I'm still learning. Love that Get a hobby. I love it. So he was eventually arrested in June 2022 by US law enforcement agents and extradited back to the US Indiegogo was sentenced to a seven year prison sentence for duping his victims out of $86 million. Wow, that's.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I feel like he should have more to show than bottle service in, like, one trip in Asia and tennis lessons.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sweetie, that's not giving me tennis lessons.

[Chelsea Devontes]

What we have to do is that mansion. Where's the how?

[Lacey Mosley]

But.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay, that's impressive.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did it all go to the diamond belt? Like, I'm confused as to where.

[Chelsea Devontes]

How big was that diamond in the pin of that belt?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a blood diamond. It's the Tiffany diamond. I put it in a belt. So disgruntled associates are trying to seize his personal assets at an estimate of $70 million, as well as $150 in his business assets.

[Chelsea Devontes]

150?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's not. No. Maybe they mean 150 mil, but it says $150. So. Okay, that's really petty. They're like, and we want the 150 from the LLC. Tell him you want that.

[Chelsea Devontes]

He's not getting a burger. He's not going to Taco Bell.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, he ain't passing Go. He definitely ain't collecting $200 because we want it. The 150 is ours. So one of his former friends, art writer and admitted poor art dealer Kitty Schrader, who lost 1.4 million pounds to Indiegogo, remarked, Indiegogo sold the same picture four times. I can't even sell the damn thing once. He's so talented. Wow.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, I know you've talked about the Fyre Festival, but, like, it really reminds me of that moment when, like in the documentary, they're just like, Billy was just so charismatic. He could get you to do anything. Like, he just had that charisma that convinced people to give him millions of dollars. And then there's an hour and a half of Billy, who's the most uncharismatic man alive. Do you know what I mean? Where it's just like. Like, what are you talking about? And that feels like Indiegogo, where it's like barely performing thing. Yeah. He's just kind of standing there like, what are you talking about?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like if you told me, like, I was meeting the Great Gatsby and then Billy McFarlane shows up like, hey, yeah, I just wanted to make an app. Yeah. Like, where's the. Where's. Throw some stars, bitch. Entertain me, dazzle me.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yes. Give a little bit of charisma, but. Okay, all right, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen. Maybe that's. The charisma is like, he gives us nothing. What confidence does he give us? Give us no charisma. That's a charisma itself. Give the girls nothing. I don't know. Wow.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, Lacy, can you imagine getting anything done without trying 500 times over the level of indiegogo?

[Lacey Mosley]

No. And I'm so jealous. I think he is extremely talented. And if I was tall. I am tall. But if I was a tall white man, I would be doing the same thing. I would just be showing up tall and be like, where's the money? Actually, I've been waiting for five minutes, and I don't have at least $6 million. What's happening?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, yes, I am also tall. But when you are a tall woman, it's an opposite of the man graph. They're like, you're less trustworthy. You're a woman who could maybe hit back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Beat me up. Yeah, you don't look too strong there, sis.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You look like you take vitamins. I don't want this one.

[Lacey Mosley]

You drinking water every day, huh? No. Get rid of this bitch. Get rid of her. Okay. This bitch will survive a couple days longer, right? Give her no money. Give her no money. Okay. Take her money. Actually, we need to rob.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Take her money. No one date her. Get her out of here.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, guys, that brings us to the saddest portion of the show where I have to let Chelsea go. But before we do that, we have Scammer of the Week, where we highlight a charlatan who's maybe worthy of our praise, maybe not. We'll see. Today we're talking about an LA rapper who rapped about committing fraud and has pled guilty. Man.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I hope he did it in verse.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So in his music video, Edd. And we have this music video and some photos he raps about. He says, my swagger for Edd going to the bank with a stack of these, the California Employment Development Department, while holding a stack of envelopes. So he's, I love that you made Edd swaggy. He was like, I'm going to Edd with a stack of these food stamps, bitch. What's up? Like, I love that you made this.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Full video evidence.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. You better take a picture holding the money up the money phone. I love this. I love this. So, Bizzy, whose real name is is Frontrell Antonio Baines. That's a scammer name if I've ever heard one. He's got a Forehead tattoo in the middle. He's doing it honest. He's 33. He used a series of stolen identities to fund his Hollywood hills lifestyle from July 2020 to September 2020. I wish it had lasted longer.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Yeah. Also, they're saying Hollywood Hills, but from the photo, it's like a studio in Hollywood Hills. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Those steps aren't giving hills to me.

[Chelsea Devontes]

They're not. They're giving me lobby of a bad apartment building.

[Lacey Mosley]

But maybe on the way up to the hill. Hills. You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like, yes, yes, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

On. What's that street that, like, runs past, like, right before you start to go up, like, past Griffin? Shit, you end up in the hills. I can't think of the street right now, but it's giving.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Like fountain.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's giving. He's on the other side of fountain, but it's like. Yeah, I'm on the way to the hills, though. I'm at the bottom of the hill. Aren't you on the hill? If you at the top, I will.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Get to the hill.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can see the hill. Okay. We gotta count all parts of the hills as the hill. So I'm at the bottom of the hill, but I'm on the hill Was good. That's a fact. I love that. So he allegedly used the pandemic unemployment assistance provision of the CARES act, which was designed to expand access to unemployment benefits for those who would otherwise be ineligible. In total, he ripped off. I love it.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I'm sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

He ripped off 1.2 million in pandemic unemployment assistance. The rapper was arrested when he was pulled over by the Las Vegas PD as a passenger and consented to. To search the vehicle. So he was a passenger, and they were like, yeah, you can search. Why would you let the cops search? Like, they don't got a warrant, bro. Yeah. I was gonna say, how are you.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Smart enough to pull this scam? But you're also gonna rap about it in writing and consent to the search, which we all know you don't have to consent.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, but as a black person in America, and this rapper isn't African American, at least from what I can see visually. You know, sometimes you acquiesce with the police. Cause you're like, I don't know. If I don't do this, I'm gonna get some warning shots in my back. So, you know, I could see. Or maybe they were lit and they were like, we ain't got no drugs in here. But they forgot that they had $50,000 under a row of seats in the Car. Oh, oops, I forgot about that. Yeah, but also, 50k in Vegas doesn't feel that wild. Like, if I pull somebody over, they had 50k. But, I mean, you're black. And, you know, that's a part of being black is, like, why people always need to know where you got your money from. And they try to do it in the most, like, casual ways now. Like, don't be a in. Don't be in first class. Don't be in some kind of private lounge. Don't be somewhere where they don't expect to see black people, because they'll be like, oh, my God. So what are you? Are you an athlete? Are you a rapper? Do you see that?

[Chelsea Devontes]

How did you get here?

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you Regina King? Cause I've been hearing a lot about her. Is that you?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Oh, don't tell me that happened.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, you look like Oprah. I don't look like. Why would you. Okay. Yeah, I had to tell people. I was like, please don't tell people. How dare. Like. Cause it's usually just offensive. You know what I mean? Like. Like, just don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, there, there.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Even if it's the most beautiful person.

[Lacey Mosley]

It'S such a risk. High risk, low reward. Just say they look good, say they're beautiful. The compliment, what you're actually seeing. And versus liking them, someone they probably definitely don't look like. But, yeah, that's the thing. It's like, if you got money and you black, you're like, where did you get that from? Because we've done a lot of work to make sure you didn't have any.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I mean, I was to say, like, they're doing such a search to go under the seat.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's got a tattoo on his face.

[Chelsea Devontes]

You know what I mean? Like, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know their profile. You know what I mean?

[Chelsea Devontes]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were like, we know we got something here. He got a tattoo in the middle of his forehead. Yeah, he definitely making poor decisions. Keep looking. Keep going.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Take the engine apart.

[Lacey Mosley]

Stay in line. If you're here to search biz's car, stay in line. We are gonna find something. Okay, Anybody know how to take apart an engine? I bet you he got something in there. Like, they're gonna get to it. So he faces up to 20 years in prison for mail fraud. And they'll get you on that mail fraud. Don't ever mail shit. Cause then the US Postal Service will be like, what up, bitch? We didn't have you on nothing else.

[Chelsea Devontes]

We need the budget. Our budget is gone. You're in for mail fraud.

[Lacey Mosley]

The second you licked a stamp pole, it was over for you. So he basically took 20 years in prison for the mail fraud and 10 years behind bars for firearms and ammunition possession. So I guess they did find some other things in the car. I just don't think that mail fraud and financial crime crimes need to be 20 years in prison. That's a waste of our taxpayer dollars. Y' all are just trying to put a new slave in the. In the prison industrial. You know, machine don't play with us.

[Chelsea Devontes]

Also, those. Those pandemic programs were taken. I mean, corporations took all the money. Corporations that didn't qualify for them took the money. Like, you're telling me this man took the unemployment program for a run. Like, I don't know what kind of thing is.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was unemployed.

[Chelsea Devontes]

So much worse than.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's running a small business. He's a rapper. That's a small business. I'm confused. Y' all were forgiving all the rest of the loans, so forgive this one. I'm curious.

[Chelsea Devontes]

But loan forgiveness program, literally what it's called.

[Lacey Mosley]

So forgive busy the rapper for trying to get his okay. We need his art. But, guys, that brings us to the end of a beautiful episode. Chelsea, thank you so much for being here. This is so good just to even chat with you. We always ask, thank you so much for having me.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I can't wait to spend Father's Day with you in our timeshare.

[Lacey Mosley]

But yes, please, that's when we get the painting too. We get it just for Father's Day. Okay. So we're gonna just sit there and look at it and enjoy ourselves. It's gonna be great. But we always ask on the show, where would you like to be found? Anything you wanna promote, anything you want people to hear or socials. Anything.

[Chelsea Devontes]

I would love for you to come listen to Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea devontez. And we recap and celebrate and talk about celebrity female memoirs. Lacey's episode is one of my favorite. It's a great place to start. And you can also find me on Instagram. Elsiedavantes. I did try on a lot of wedding dresses. I talk about it on Instagram.

[Lacey Mosley]

She looks fantastic. Did you save a post of it?

[Chelsea Devontes]

I did. It's a highlight. It's a highlight. So if you'd like to see, I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was like, you have to make it a highlight.

[Chelsea Devontes]

All the dresses that almost scammed me. It is in my highlights.

[Lacey Mosley]

And she looks fantastic. Please, guys, go there. She puts up the best visual content. A beautiful, brilliant queen. Get your highs your ihis. As always, guys, follow me at D I V A L A C I D valacy on all platforms. If you want to follow, show, see all the photos, et cetera, follow Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram, also on Twitter. I mostly just talk to you guys on Twitter though, and then, yeah, I think that's all congregation, you know, get out here and start indiegogoing. Stay skeetman. Yeah, I've got it. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam got us stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Skam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

[Chelsea Devontes]

This has been a Team Coco production.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Chelsea Devontes]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Yep. I've got everything I need. Eye mask, neck pillow, T mobile. Headphones. Wait. T Mobile? You bet. Free in flight. Wi Fi. 15% off all Hilton brands. I never go anywhere without T Mobile. Same goes from a water bottle, chewing gum, nail clippers. I'm going to leave you to it. Find out how you can experience travel [e-mail]. travel qualifying plan required.

[Chelsea Devontes]

WiFi were available on select US airlines. Deposit and Hilton Honors membership required for 15% discount. Terms and conditions apply.