Fraud Friday: SiliCON Valley Theft Bro w/ Amanda Seales

Summary

Podcast Summary: Scam Goddess

Episode: Fraud Friday: SiliCON Valley Theft Bro w/ Amanda Seales
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Amanda Seales
Date: September 12, 2025

Episode Overview

This re-released "Fraud Friday" classic features comedian, actress, and podcaster Amanda Seales joining Laci Mosley (aka Scam Goddess). Together, they blend comedy and caution around real-life stories of scams—from Amanda’s own harrowing brush with a six-figure fraud to small-time cons, celebrity-targeted swindles, and the wild saga of a Silicon Valley-themed scam artist in small-town Alabama. With irreverence and witty insight, the duo exposes the shadiest tricks in the scammer’s playbook, while highlighting how no one (not even celebrities!) is immune to fraud.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Amanda Seales' Six-Figure Scam Story

• Amanda recounts how she lost $119,000 to a sophisticated check scam posing as a Japanese philanthropist.
  • The scam: Supposedly booked to perform at a philanthropic event in Japan; after being sent a large check, Amanda’s business manager said the check “posted,” so she was instructed to send a portion back, as per contract.
  • The twist: “There’s a difference between a check clearing and a check posting…” (Amanda, 06:00). The check eventually bounced—too late to recall the wire transfer.

Memorable Quote:
“I was conned out of $119,000.” — Amanda Seales (07:26)
“You need to get muscle behind you, because if you were a rich white man, like, you would already have your money back.” — Amanda Seales (08:10)

• Amanda called in the FBI, used her IRS agent contact, and demanded accountability from her business management firm. She ultimately got reimbursed through persistent but calm confrontation.

  • “Me being real quiet, like, this was scarier than me raising my voice… the next day, he called me and said, we’re sending you your money.” (Amanda, 09:37–09:54)

• Lessons & Warnings:

  • Never trust online vetting alone, always check web domains carefully (e.g., scammers used .org vs. the legit .jp for a Japanese nonprofit, 11:05).
  • Understand your banking terms—‘posting’ is NOT the same as ‘clearing.’
  • Wire transfers and check-cashing scams now target celebrities as well as regular people.

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2. Small-Time Scams and Scam Mentalities

• Amanda and Laci riff on past relationships with "scammer mindsets"—people always thinking "how do I get over?"
  • Amanda briefly shares about a patient scammer ex whose “mindset was always, like, how do I get over” (03:20).
• Listener Letter:
  • A woman (“Shayla”) describes a boyfriend who was both a weed dealer and a newspaper delivery scammer—picking up the papers, trashing them, and collecting a check (18:56–20:59).
  • The hosts debate if this is resisting capitalism or just lazy (“At a certain point, it’s just a reflection of your character…”, Amanda, 20:59).
  • Amanda introduces the term "hobosexual" (someone who is in a relationship for housing), to Laci’s delight (20:11).

Quote:
“I can't really vibe well with the whole idea of, like, ‘I don't want to work’ ... is it that you don't want to work, or you just don't want to do something you don't want to do?” — Amanda Seales (21:22)

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3. Historic Hoodwinks: Silicon Valley Scam in Opelika, Alabama

Main Scam Story: The "SiliCON Valley Theft Bro"

• Focus: Kyle Sandler, who pretended to be a former Google exec and defrauded a small Alabama town out of nearly $2 million through a fake tech incubator (“Roundhouse”).
• Key scam elements:
  • Sandler rolled into impoverished Opelika, Alabama, with stories of tech riches and promised innovation (34:45–36:08).
  • He offered “venture capital,” “management training,” and “1 gigabyte Internet” (38:06).
  • Gained credibility by associating with notorious figures (John McAfee) and getting locals like Chuck Whacker to invest (39:23).
• Classic scamming red flags:
  • Vague job titles (“conductor” of Roundhouse).
  • Fake documentation and never-disclosed background checks.
  • Charisma and shame: Victims want to “hype up” the scammer’s skills to save face (40:09).

Quote:
“If you are a serial entrepreneur, you are going from crime to crime like Frogger.” — Laci Mosley (40:47)

• Victims include a 13-year-old entrepreneur and dozens of locals.
  • Taylor Rosenthal’s first aid vending machine story—Sandler faked letters from Johnson & Johnson to get more investor hype (41:16–44:03).
• Collapse and aftermath:
  • Roundhouse suddenly closed, investors realized Sandler never worked for Google, and local media outed the con (45:35–46:55).
  • Sandler later faced multiple federal fraud charges (53:03).

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4. Scammer of the Week: The Fortune Teller Who Stole $50,000

• A trendy "fortune teller" in California scams a victim by diagnosing her with spiritual and literal “parasites,” charging for “curse removal,” and demanding large sums (55:08–59:02).
• Laci and Amanda lampoon home-brewed mystics, crystal healing, and the absurdity of bringing one’s mattress for exorcism.
  • “He would tell them to bring a mattress from their home, which he would cut open and claim to find…demonic items and letters” (58:41).
• They debate how much culpability victims have when willfully carrying furniture to a fake spiritualist (60:14–61:17).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I had a whole stalker, like, fake person just, like, hanging out with us. Oh, my Lord. I forgot about that. It’s real.” — Amanda recalls being scammed by a fake animator from Twitter (16:31)
• “My mom always said, you’re never rich enough to not sign your own checks.” — Laci Mosley (14:38)
• “Everybody can get beat up.” — Amanda Seales (15:03)
• “Theft is rated E for everyone.” — Laci Mosley (30:18)
• “If you go on two dates and you show up to your crib and it’s a mail from them, you got a hobo.” — Laci Mosley (20:34)

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Key Timestamps

• Amanda’s scam story: 03:12 – 11:46
• Business manager & ‘Posting vs. Clearing’ explanation: 06:00 – 07:26
• Listener Scam letter segment: 18:56 – 24:51
• "Historic Hoodwinks" — SiliCON Valley Theft Bro: 34:19 – 54:29
• Scammer of the Week: Fortune teller scam: 55:08 – 61:38
• Closing plugs and Amanda’s projects: 63:36 – 68:15

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Guest Plugs & Contact

• Amanda Seales:
  • Small Doses Podcast
  • Patreon: Smart, Funny & Black
  • Instagram: @amandaseales
  • Smart, Funny & Black
• Laci Mosley:
  • @DivaLaciDvaLaciDv
  • Scam Goddess Pod
  • [iCarly, Black Lady Sketch Show, HBO Max, and more]

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Tone & Style

The entire episode maintains Laci’s quick-witted delivery, Amanda’s sharp candor, and a light, relatable, dishy tone—balancing life lessons with relentless humor and cultural commentary. The energy is boisterous, playful, sometimes self-deprecating, always conspiratorial.

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For New Listeners

If you love true crime, want to laugh through some jaw-dropping modern scams, and hear real talk about how anyone can get conned (and how to avoid it), this is a can't-miss listen. Stay safe, and as Laci always advises: Stay schemin’!

Transcript

[Narrator]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What's Poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall.

Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall.

And as always, stay. Stay Scheming.

Goddess.

What is popping?

Congregation? It's your girl Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And we're back for another episode of Scammer Am Goddess. And I am so. What? Yes, excited. I love our call and response. Just like church Jesus.

[Amanda Seals]

Amen.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Guys, today we have a dynamic comedian, actress, writer, producer. You y' all know her. Y' all know her, and I'm so excited to have her here. If you haven't been to her variety game show Smart, Funny and Black, which I actually have been to, and it was popping as fuck. We were dancing, we were singing. It was everything. Which is like a creative quality multicultural comedy. Like she does it all. Platforms like Amanda's everywhere. Oh, CR didn't gave it away. Goddamn. So she plays Sidney Dubois on HBO's Insecure and you can find her dropping gems on her podcast, which if you're not into it, get into it. But the girls are into it. Small doses with Amanda Seals. Congregation, please welcome Amanda Seals to the show.

[Amanda Seals]

Hello. Hello. I'm happy to be here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm so happy to have you. For real. I've slowly been gathering up the infinity stones of insecure like Thanos. And I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I love it. But I mean, I have to. First of all, Amanda looks cute as fuck. Y' all can't see that. Thank you. But she looks cute as hell. She has the cutest office. We both have pink offices, and I stand that and live for that for us. But, Amanda, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Do you hate them? Are you very vigilant? Do you stay woke and you never get caught up? Like, what's your. What's your situation?

[Amanda Seals]

I dated a scammer. I did not know that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Haven't we all? I mean, per chance. Yes.

[Amanda Seals]

He was a man. He was a. I would say he was a reformed, like, scammer in the sense that he wasn't doing. Act like, doing scams, but just like, his mindset was always, like, how do I, like, get over? Yeah, like, that was like, his mindset. But I have been scammed. I was scammed by an undisclosed person who used a Japanese benef, a Japanese philanthropist, as their cover. And they had booked me to come to Japan. Booked in quotes to come to Japan for, like. So the. The way that I was scammed was that it was supposedly a Japanese philanthropist whose site we had. You know, we had vetted the site like we. And in hindsight, I don't know why we didn't just call. But, you know, it's like this intern. But this Internet really just gets you, like, oh, we did all the, you know, Internet stuff, so this should be fine. And so we. We, like, did the back channel. We did the back background about this person and, like, vetted him. And like, okay, so this is legit. And we got the contract, and in the contract, it said that they were going to send us a fee, and then we would send back a portion, and that portion would go to their nonprofit. And that's actually something that happens quite often, like, if you're working with a company that has a profit and for a nonprofit wing. So this. And this event was for their nonprofit. So I was like, all right, like, it's. It checks out. Let's do it. So they send the check. So they send the check, and I say to my business manager, can we send them back the deposit? Like, did the check clear? Can we send them back the deposit? And he said, yes, it posted.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now, did they ask for the deposit back?

[Amanda Seals]

No, but there was a time limit. So there was. It was supposed to be like, you have to send it back within a certain amount of days.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And so they did ask for it back.

[Amanda Seals]

They didn't ask. But, like, according to my contract, like, I mean, I try and be.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So they put it in the contract. That's actually very cute. Because can I Guess Amanda, did this check bounce. So you're getting.

[Amanda Seals]

You're letting me get ahead of myself because it's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, okay. I'm sorry. It's just a very common scam on this show.

[Amanda Seals]

But go ahead and so what ended up happening was. And I think it's important for me to just say this because I know that this show, people be listening and, you know, they don't want to get scammed. But my business manager said, yes, it posted. And there is a difference between a check clearing and a check posting, because a check clearing means the funds associated with the check have been taken from the bank associated with the check and sent to your bank. A check hosting means that the funds for that check have been put into your account by your bank. And some banks, depending on their relationship with your business manager or not, will just do that because you're a trusted client. So I didn't know that that was even happening. I didn't even know that the bank was even doing that. So when they said the money was there, I thought the money was there. Long story short, the check bounce. The bank calls me at 5:58 and is like, this looks like a fraudulent check. So, you know, do you want to recall the wire? And I'm like, yeah, recall the wire. And they're like, well, you know, okay. Well, actually, it's too late to recall the wire because 4:45 was the cutoff.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm like, why the you call me at 5:58 at 4:45 with the cutoff?

[Amanda Seals]

And they really were genuinely, like, talking to me. Like, I was like, actually the scammer. And they're like, do you know this person? How could you get involved with this person? Et cetera. And I was like, first of all, pump your brakes, Sharon, because I feel like you. You're cheating me, like I'm a criminal. And I need you to halt all of your. The. I felt like I was being accused. There was judgment, absolute judgment. And so essentially what ended up happening was I was conned out of $119,000.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My chest, my neck, and my back.

[Amanda Seals]

So I went to my business manager and was just like this was. This decision was made upon your. Your suggestion. You know what I'm saying? Like, I had asked, should I send it back? Have we cleared everything? And for all intents and purposes, you have a business manager to avoid situations like this. And then they. They also said that they didn't know that the bank puts the money up. I don't know that that's true. They knew that. But Nonetheless, I really, like, was depressed about it for, like, three days where I was just, like, I couldn't sleep. Like, I was stressed. And then I literally woke up one morning and was like, fuck that.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We gotta fight this shit.

[Amanda Seals]

And I just had to. I just started thinking, and I was like, you need to get muscle behind you, because if you were a rich white man, like, you would already have your money back. So you need to get muscle behind you. And so I filed a report with the FBI. And then my very good. My. My very good friend, her husband is an A agent for the irs. And so he got on it and was able to say. He was able to find out that, like, this person that does these scams, like, they've been doing the scams. Like, it was a whole. Like, it was a thing. And then I called my agent, and I was like, you need to call. You need to be the white man on my team and call them and be like, I'm the white man. Like, you need. I need to use your white man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Go be the white man.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, like, I need you to do that. And so, like, I had to really, like, pull my gusto out. And at the end of the day, what actually ended up happening was I spoke to. I was able to speak, eventually speak to the partner, like, the head guy at my business management firm, and was like, yo, straight up and down, y' all keep telling me you're investigating, and I need to chill. And you would never chill if you were in this situation. So for you to be expecting that of me is really unreasonable and impractical. And I am a good person. I don't scam, I don't shade, I don't do. I don't cheat people. And I expect that my ethics will win me out in this situation, and it's only going to win me out if you all do right by me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love that. Give him the Whoopi Goldberg do right by or everything going to fail.

[Amanda Seals]

Listen, and.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And.

[Amanda Seals]

And I was proud of myself because I also never raised my voice. And I had every right to raise my voice. But I think in this moment, like, me being real, like, quiet, like, this was scarier than me raising my voice. And the next day, he called me and said, we're sending you your money.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. I love that this ended on a good note. I didn't mean to spoil your. The. The ending to that, but it's just on this podcast, everybody knows when the check. When it comes with a reimbursement. I will say this is creative because normally it happens in smaller scales where it's like, oh, you're going to work for our secret shopper company. We're going to send you 30, $200. And once it posted, you just send back 200 or you just send back 400 or whatever and. Or you send back half of it. Or you're gonna be my personal assistant. I need you to mail these checks out. Like, there's a lot of different ways that people do this, but I will say the contract finesse is a new one. And. And it's actually really brilliant one.

[Amanda Seals]

Very common with quote, unquote celebrities. So the person who caught it at the bank, she was like, oh, this just happened to two of our clients. And the other thing I wanted to say was the really. Let me tell you the real way they got us their website was the person's actual website, but it ended in dot org. And in America, that is for a nonprofit, but they were Japan based. It was supposed to end jp so the actual website ends in jp.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow.

[Amanda Seals]

So they use the legit website name and they just put it at Dawg. And we didn't know any wiser because we're dumb Americans.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I mean, that happens all the time. Like, people will clone emails, they'll clone like Facebook and you have to really look at the email. But what's also interesting to me about this scam is that your bank was like, hey, girl, some ain't looking funny and some looking funny in the light. Would you like to rescind this? And wire transfers are like the hardest thing to get your money back with because once that wire goes, it's like such a great. That's why scammers love Western Union. That is their, like, Cracker Barrel. That's their bread and butter. Like, that's their Starbucks. They love a Western Union because a wire transfer is so hard to get back.

[Amanda Seals]

And also in China, they don't have the same bank rules.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Mm.

[Amanda Seals]

They don't make rules. So, like, in America, if there's a fraudulent charge, it's on the person who made the. Like, if I. If I cut a check and the check bounces, it's on me. In China, if they cut a check and the check bounces, it's on me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And that's the thing too about American banking system. It's all capitalist. So they were like, hey, girl, seems like you got robbed. What do you want to do about that? Says because it's your problem now. And that's normally why banks will only really give you, like bank of America. I think gives, like $300 when you post a large check. And they're like, we're going to wait for it, girl. Because you ain't never posted. You ain't never had money before. So you got money now. What happened? Had money before we saw your balance. I remember back in the day when I was waiting tables and struggling. Well, not struggling, I'm not going to lie. But, you know, waiting tables, putting my little money in the bank. One time, bank of America sent me, like, a bunch of overdraft fees. And I was like, uh, I called them and I was like, how you're going to charge me, like, seven $35 overdraft fees in one hour? Like, this is ridiculous. I'm leaving the bank. And they were like, okay, so we just looked at your account. Where would you like us to send your $220? Okay, okay, well, I'll stay, but I'm mad, so. No, I have definitely heard of that scam before. I did not know that they were running it on celebrities. So that is really good information to know and I think helpful for a lot of people. If you are a celebrity and listen.

[Amanda Seals]

To this podcast shout out to you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We got some blue checks. But yes, I'm glad that it worked out for you, though, in that. And I also love that you did the thing that I do a lot now, which is, like, if I'm angry, like, I come at people real calm, just so calm that they're like, what is she gonna do? Because she should be a lot more upset. And. And I do that. And if you guys don't know what a business manager is, a business manager is someone who, if you get to a certain point in your career or whatever financial situation you have, like, you might hire someone to manage your money. And, you know, they pay bills for you. Maybe they run the gamut of what they can do for you, depending on what you want, but they take 5% of, like, everything that you earn. So, like, you know, you get a $2 residual check. They're like, okay, sis, run us our. Yeah, what would that be? They run us our 10 cents. Run us our 10k cents so much we want them. So I talked about this before. I've had conversations with business managers, and I always do this weird thing where I'm like, yeah, you know, but I've heard about people getting robbed. Like Rihanna, somebody robbed me. You know, I get litigious. But also, like, I got cousins with a few strikes left. Huh? Like, he just stopped laughing. Like, I'll pop the trunk on You. I will find you. I need you to know.

[Amanda Seals]

I mean, there's definitely business manager scams. Like, I mean, I feel like that's. That's another wing to touch on. The Scam Goddess podcast, because they be really out here scamming folks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

For real.

[Amanda Seals]

For real. Because you just be like, oh, I mean, this is one thing. This is one less thing I have to think about. No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So my mom always said, you're never rich enough to not sign your own checks.

[Amanda Seals]

And here's the thing. You be like, okay, I'm Oprah. I'm signing my own checks. They're still finding a way. Just so you know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Always. Always. But I want them to know that I'm crazy enough that. Don't try me. Okay, maybe you could steal a little $20 here and there. But you start climbing the ladder, we go fight. It's not just gonna be the lot. Like, when we go to court, that's where I'm gonna find you, because you gotta show up and we go fight. We don't have a fisticuffs. Okay?

[Amanda Seals]

Everybody can get beat up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Don't play about mines. But I'm so sorry that that happened, but I'm glad that it had a happy ending, Amanda, and that you, like, worked it out and that the. The white man on your team showed up and he did the right white man thing.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes. He stepped in. He put his voice in. I mean, I think it was a confluence of, you know, elements that made it turn out right. But ultimately, I never thought it would happen to me, and it did. Anybody can get scammed.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Damn. You can't. Listen, I got scammed into flying to Seattle to shoot a whole movie that wasn't real. But that's a story for. Yep. Girl told us she had the Duplass Brothers producing it. Somehow reached my agents at caa, somehow reached agents of, like, a lot of prominent actors. And next thing I know, I was on a tiny seaplane out of Bainbridge island to my escape.

[Amanda Seals]

So you know what? You just reminded me that I got scammed once by a woman who claimed she was an animator. And she, like, came. She came to New York. We brought her up from D.C. like she was supposed to do a music video for me. So she came to New York. Like, she took pictures. Like, whole situation. She goes back to dc, we're like, okay, send us the first edit, y'.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

All.

[Amanda Seals]

That shit was, like a couple little scribbles that was done on eye paint.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She got on clip art and was like, here y' all go.

[Amanda Seals]

Appeared so she spent the whole day with me and my videographer and she's just like, she had just conned me from Twitter, pretending.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

She kept doing the little thing that you see in videos where she put her hands like this. Yes.

[Amanda Seals]

And like, oh, let me get snapshots of that. Like, so, like we had a whole stalker, like, fake person just, like, hanging out with us. Oh, my Lord, I forgot about that. It's real.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's real. SC.

[Narrator]

Meet the woman who made the first move. 20th Century Studios presents a Hulu Original Swiped. Starring Lily James as Whitney Wolf, the visionary founder of Bumble. Through extraordinary grit and ingenuity, Whitney breaks into the male dominated tech industry and launches an innovative, globally lauded dating app. Forever changing dating culture. A Hulu original swiped. Streaming September 19th on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers terms apply.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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I'mma put you on, nephew.

[Geico Gecko / Commercial Voice]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Welcome to McDonald's.

[Amanda Seals]

Can I take your order, miss?

[Geico Gecko / Commercial Voice]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And you gave me a great transition. In the beginning, we were talking about a man that you dated who had a scam mentality. We're going to move into what? Hot and fraud. This is our segment where we warn our listeners about popping scams on the street. And more often, not. We get letters from you guys. As always, contact us at scam Goddess pod gmail dot com. Snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to what up your bag. Okay. Or your cousin's back. Or your granny's back. Amen. So I need a fake name. Amanda. We don't care about gender on this show. For this listener letter.

[Amanda Seals]

Shayla.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, I like Shayla. I like Shayla. So Shayla says a lot of nice things. Thank you, Shayla. Move past that. So Shayla says, I have a crazy ex boyfriend that ran a long term scan while we together. Okay. This man will go to great lengths to get money while avoiding any actual work. Okay. I'm not mad at him about that. Like, capitalism is a scam. Like, work smarter, not harder. He sold weed. Okay? That's a employment. That's a job. And he had a job delivering a weekly county newspaper, literally one day of the work week. Okay. I think I like his life. I think I want to live it. Sounds good to me. He would pick up the papers and was expected to roll them up with a rubber band and deliver them to his route. I discovered a few months into us dating that what he would do, dump all the papers in the trash after delivering to a few houses at the beginning of the street of his routes.

[Amanda Seals]

Bro, you got one job.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But it's your one job, though, because.

[Amanda Seals]

At a certain point, it's just like, am I fighting capitalism or am I just lazy?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, that's true. Because I'm like, all you got to do is throw papers at people's houses. You don't even really got to hit the doorstep. You just chunk them in the lawn.

[Amanda Seals]

Like, that's all.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's all.

[Amanda Seals]

And he's not paying no bills, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You couldn't drive. Stop. Yeah, he's definitely must be a hobo. Sexual for sure.

[Amanda Seals]

I have never heard that term. And it is amazing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you don't know what a hobosexual is, that's where you are dating somebody who is automatically living with you. And normally in dating, especially in LA or cities where it's hard today, like New York, if somebody's like, all into you and like, yeah, let's move in. I'll put my toothbrush in here. You got a drawer for my underwears? You like, oh, my God, we in love. But really, they just need a home. They need an address.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you go on two dates and you show up to your crib and it's a male from them, you got a hobo.

[Amanda Seals]

Hoboexual. Okay?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So after a while, he would just start dumping all the papers into the Trash after he got them. So he would pick the papers up, throw them in the trash, and he would still get $300 a week for this. Okay, is this. I mean, it's kind of innovative.

[Amanda Seals]

It's just lazy. That is just lazy. There's a certain point where, like, like, it's just a reflection of your character. Like, that's true. At a certain point, you gotta really just be like, bruh.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But some people don't live to work. They live to vibe.

[Amanda Seals]

You know, he's vibing six other days of the week.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is a fact.

[Amanda Seals]

And how long does it take to deliver those papers? I mean, you get that done in like, two hours. You still. You know, I come from a single parent household where my mother worked two jobs. So I can't really. I. I don't really vibe well with the whole idea of, like, oh, I don't, like, I get that there's this movement now where people are like, I don't want to work. And I'm like, is it that you don't want to work or you just don't want to do something that you don't want to do? I think there's actual value in the act of, like, working. Like, I like the jobs that I have, like, because I made a life for myself based on that. But I have definitely worked jobs that I didn't like and knew that I needed to, like, muddle through, you know, to get to the other side. But when I look at that situation, that just sounds like somebody who is lazy and doesn't have direction.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But you had another side. You knew where you wanted to go. I feel like some people aren't motivated by work. Like, when we go to school, they'd be like, what's your dream job? And some people are like, I don't dream of labor, but I don't think.

[Amanda Seals]

I think it's labor when you're doing it for somebody else or you're doing it for something that you don't care about. So I'd be wondering, okay, so if you weren't doing anything, what would you be doing? And if it means you'd be doing nothing, I'm just like, I don't know that I want to support you. And you're doing nothing, though.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

My passion is nothing.

[Amanda Seals]

Because then people will be like, oh, well, in socialism, like, everybody doesn't have to work because we're all pooling our money. And I'm like, I hear that, but, like, I don't really feel like I should have to, like, support your couch. Surfing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, but there's no such thing as a pure economic system. Like, there's bits of socialism and capitalism. There's bits of social. You know what I mean? There's bits of common.

[Amanda Seals]

Like, it's this.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's all kind of this melt. But I will say, I don't know, somebody being like, I just dream of nothing.

[Amanda Seals]

You know what? I had a homegirl. She was a lawyer, and I was like, what would you be doing if you weren't a lawyer? And she was like, chilling.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Chilling.

[Amanda Seals]

I was like, what do you mean? She was like, exactly what we're doing right now. We were on the beach chilling.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

The guidance counselor was like, what do you want to do with your life? She was like, I love sand, Pina coladas, sunshine, salt water.

[Amanda Seals]

But even as you say that, here we are. What it's got to be. It's 2021, so it's got to be, like, 12 years later, and she's like, a partner at the firm. So, you know, it's like, get the hell out of here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, right. That's not what she really wants. Yeah, I feel you. So the Shayla says, I'm embarrassed to say this, but I dated him for three years. The dick wasn't even great. Well, damn, Shayla. Then why did you stay? I was honestly just. Was too busy to break up with him. Because she was working. She was. She said she was.

[Amanda Seals]

She was too busy getting all the.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Work done to pay the bills. She said she was.

[Amanda Seals]

Can't do much these days. Now, I don't know where they live, but In Los Angeles, 300 is literally about six meals at Tender Greens for two people. And that's with a pickup, not a delivery on postmates, a parking ticket.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Or if you get told and you let your car wait in the impound for one day, that's 300. Don't ask me how I know that, but it's not a lot.

[Amanda Seals]

It's not a lot doesn't stretch.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And she said she was an apprentice tattooer at the time. Worked every day at the shop for free and then bartended five nights a week. So Shayla was tired. She was. During the day, she was over here, you know, doing discount tattoos, and then at night, she was slanging them drinks. They were roommates, like, yeah, like, she was in cocktail. She said he kept the house really clean and wasn't awful to me, so I let it go longer than I should have. I love that, like, when you're a.

[Amanda Seals]

Cisgender person, the bar is so low.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Dating A cisgender, like a cisgender woman and a cisgender man, like the barbie on the floor. On the floor.

[Amanda Seals]

She said, he kept the house clean and didn't treat me terrible. Which, by the way, doesn't give us any indicator of what he was treating her like. Because I feel like terrible is subjective, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Also, terrible is I feel like if she had been, like, he treated me good or fine, then I'd be like, I get it. But, like, terrible is subject.

[Amanda Seals]

He didn't treat me terrible. Like, he treated me bad but not terrible.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know what I mean? Imagine giving your wedding vows, and you're like, sean, you always run the dishwasher. And every day I wake up, the same amount of money that was in my wallet the night before is in there.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I love. Like, this is. What is this?

[Amanda Seals]

It sounds like Jagged Edge, like, we ain't getting no younger. We might as well do it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

It's very cool. And everybody did that at their wedding. Everyone played that song at their wedding at that time.

[Amanda Seals]

It's. It's very. It's giving me very. You know what. What else is there to do right now until I find something else to do, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I had a cousin who got married, and I'm not gonna say his name because I got a lot of cousins, but they played that song at their wedding. And also during the actual nuptials, he had a Bluetooth in his ear, which I think at the time, like, he thought was fancy. So he had a Bluetooth, a Bluetooth speaker, of, like, one of those phone call things that would automatically pick up in his ear. And the whole time I was thinking, like, bro, are you gonna take a call during the wedding? Like, why do you. Why do you have that in your ear? He was trying to show the girls he had Radio Shack coins that he.

[Amanda Seals]

Had a Bluetooth in his. Like, why would you do that? I. When I met Too Short, he had. The first time I met Too Short, he had a Bluetooth in each ear. So he had Bluetooth in each ear.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's headphones.

[Amanda Seals]

Touche.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You're supposed to have one. He said, I get multiple calls from different people.

[Amanda Seals]

This one attached, this phone, this one attached to this phone. I got different things. I'm like, you know, I got. This is. This is the bat phone in my right ear, but this is the. The house phone in my left ear. All right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

On one ear, he's like, what's your favorite word? On the other ear, it's like, bitch. And then they're two different phone calls. And love that for him. Love that for him. So she says we stayed together briefly after we broke up. What can I say? He still had the heat in my house that we previously shared, but I asked for it back. He gave me a copy of the. It literally still had a tag on it. I changed the lock and stopped answering the text after that. So she was like, I need my key back. And he was like, oh, here you go, queen. And then it had Home Depot 6.99 on it.

[Amanda Seals]

So you have another key. Disturbing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So you still have another key. What is going on? Why were you.

[Amanda Seals]

Why was he still allowed in the house? Like, also. So we all learn. We all learn. Trust me, I've done dumb things too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Maybe he was like Mr. Clean bald, dressed in white, keeping the floors polished. That's what I heard.

[Amanda Seals]

Doubtful. I mean, he definitely had enough newspapers to wipe down the mirrors, so.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Absolutely. Because he had tons of newspapers. So in the years since we broke up, I occasionally hear things about him from my friends who still buy weed from him. He committed insurance fraud. Okay. He had someone.

[Amanda Seals]

Probably got a piece of car too.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And I'm not mad. Get your people. Listen, the only thing about PPP loans is y' all got to stop for like, literally six weeks before the government was like, hey, girl, you don't own a farm. We actually looked it up and you don't have no crop. You don't even own a lot more back. Run it back. So, so basically the insurance fraud thing was he would have someone steal, in quotes, his car and drive it into a river. It was totaled. And then he collect on the insurance check. A river.

[Amanda Seals]

There wasn't a better. You know, I mean, listen, I guess. You know what? Let me. Let me just say maybe I'm wrong. He was working.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That sounds like a job to be coordinating, getting your car theft.

[Amanda Seals]

That sounds like full time work.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He had to get on Yelp or Google Maps and find, like the. A river that was deep enough to destroy the car. I don't know. Seems like work to me. And at the end, Shayla says, I'm not worried about telling you this and up his bag, because obviously he's telling multiple casual acquaintances that he sells them drugs. Okay, cool. Cool. Overall, the boyfriend, I don't know. He was living his passion.

[Amanda Seals]

I really. I don't like theft. I don't like theft. There's certain stuff that I get that I'm like, yeah, fuck the system. But then there's certain stuff that I just be like, this gonna show up in our life. Do you understand? And that's what she saw. Like, the nigga tried to scam her about her crib. And I just feel like there's no honor among thieves. Like, at a certain point, it'd just be like, damn, I gotta get you now, too. Like, I don't like that there's. There. Listen. There's criminality that I really am, like, whatever. But theft. I don't do it if it's not.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

From who? For me? Because if you're thieving from somebody who's thieving, then, I mean, it's all fair.

[Amanda Seals]

Absolutely. But if you have in your mind that taking something that's not yours is. Okay. I feel like there's only. There's this Only. It's only gonna be about a matter of time before I'm a part of that equation.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Because, like, there's no honor among thieves, so everybody can get it.

[Amanda Seals]

Everybody can get it, right? If I. If something about me ends up becoming a viable source, you know?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. Theft is rated E for everyone. So, you know, if you're stealing.

[Amanda Seals]

Stolen out of my house by someone I was paying. Okay. By someone with that. By an employee and her little boyfriend. She was house sitting for me, and they stole. They stole my earthquake stash.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Damn. Not the earthquake stash. Also, I love that. You know, most people have earthquake kits. You have, like, an earthquake stash of cash.

[Amanda Seals]

You hear?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Do you feel the ground rumbling?

[Amanda Seals]

Mm. Because if the shit shut down, ain't nobody gonna be using no credit cards now, right? We gonna be back to Kari. Shells and rocks.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You gotta be liquid. I'm gonna have a handful of painkillers and some water. What y' all trying to barter with? I'm telling you, I got three tampons and an Aaliyah cd. What can I get for safety? What are y' all gonna give me?

[Amanda Seals]

I'm keeping the Aaliyah cd.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? Cause you can't get that. Can't get it. Robbery.

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[Amanda Seals]

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[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

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And it's time for historic hoodwinks. We will regale Amanda with a famous criminal group of criminal squad. You Know, maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. We don't know yet. Today we're talking about the city, I guess you could call it city. I'm gonna call it a town. Opelika, Alabama. Oh. And we're specifically talking about Kyle Sandler, who basically became the most dashing man in this very small town. I've never been to Opelika. Have you been there?

[Amanda Seals]

No.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I know you tour sometimes. No. Okay, Opalike, I ain't got no venues, so I'll check it out. Right. It's like many cities that were struggling after the recession, its downtown was largely vacant, jobs were scarce. The town was 30, 000 people. And perfect picking grounds for Kyle Sandler, a man who came in with a story about striking it rich and wanting to help the town. I'm always curious when a man is just like, I want to help people voluntarily. That's my whole job.

[Amanda Seals]

That's it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, let's see. So the story goes that Kyle Sandler told everyone that he was a one time Google executive who got rich on the west coast and just so happened to pick Opelika as his next home. I love that he went from being a Google executive to like, I'm moving to Opelika, Alabama because, you know, I.

[Amanda Seals]

Also love that I don't know if he is Asian, but he's giving Asian. And I'll bet you that they were like, like, oh, yeah, he was a Google exec. Like, if a brother had come saying he was a Google exec, people would be like running him out of the town with tiki torches. But they were like pitchforks. Yeah, he's. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like he famously said, get that n out of here. No one would believe the black guy is a Google exec, but this man, we can see it. We're looking at a photo. We'll post it on the page later. So he drove a sporty Jaguar in a town full of pickups and had, in his own words, a heart of gold. How you gonna call yourself having a heart of gold?

[Amanda Seals]

It sounds pretty Lance Armstrong. Go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. I feel like you can't say you. That somebody else has to say that about you. Pay a friend.

[Amanda Seals]

It's like the goat. Like, you can't just be like, I'm the goat, you know, unless you're. Unless you're in like a non subjective sport where it's like, I have won this many times. So there. No, no one has won more than me. I am the goat.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

LeBron can say he's the goat, can He. I think so. He's won enough things. Did you see when Usher had a birthday and he was walking around with a bunch of goats saying that he was amongst company? I can't even Usher. We didn't mean literal goats. We meant greatest of all time. But, okay, hang out with these goats. He's like, this. This is all I can hang out with is other goats. This is all I can hang out goats. So he came to town smelling like a right man. That's my whole community. So he came to town smelling like a man who create jobs, bring innovation. In October 2014, he opened a tech business incubator called Roundhouse. And he called himself a conductor. Anybody who got a job title that I can't really like, you can't go to college and be like, let me get them conductor classes. I'm going to grad school for conducting. What is that? That's not a real girl.

[Amanda Seals]

My homegirl just was. She was like, I. I still haven't gotten to the bottom of, like, what this was that she's working with. But, like, someone responded to her and said, so you will connect you with our chief of streets, and that person will then let you know. And she was like, this is the greatest job title I've ever seen. The chief of streets. I don't know of the calle.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay, how do you.

[Amanda Seals]

What? How what. What is the criteria needed for that job? I want to know what the curriculum vitae should include.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Chief of streets. His office is on 3rd Street. Just depending on where he moves his car.

[Amanda Seals]

No, chief of streets, your office is on Martin Luther King Drive. Martin Luther King Avenue. Like I said, Martin Luther King Boulevard.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like intersection. Malcolm X. You are the chief of streets.

[Amanda Seals]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he opened this tech company. Right. The business would help develop new startup companies by providing services such as venture Capital, office spaces, 1 gigabyte Internet, and management training. This is also vague. Management of what? Management of who.

[Amanda Seals]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Is 1 gigabytes a lot of Internet? Is that like a Starbucks? Can we share that? Is it fast? Can I download things? Can I upload?

[Amanda Seals]

I think that's a pretty good amount.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, maybe, you know, 30, 000 people, as long as they don't come at the same time.

[Amanda Seals]

Opalika.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he also found an ally in local John McAfee. Now, if you know anything about John McAfee, that's another episode for another time. That man is wild as hell. So knowing that he was cool with him like that man is. Let's just say John McAfee had a lot of guns, would be in the jungle, ran for president, would be on a boat hound.

[Amanda Seals]

He looked like Tiger King Crack.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, he's the Tiger King for show. And I love that. It's just like, oh, he had a friendship with him. This is a friendship with Tiger King. Like, if you strike it up, that's like Kim Jong Un and who's that basketball player?

[Amanda Seals]

Dennis Rodman.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Dennis Rodman. It's like that kind of relationship is like y' all both on some different time.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a vibration that I want to say far away from.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I want to say super far from that vibration.

[Amanda Seals]

I'm good.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm good. So Chuck Whacker, one of. Chuck Whacker. What kind of name is that? I'm not giving no money to Chuck.

[Amanda Seals]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not hanging out with Chuck.

[Amanda Seals]

It don't get whacker than Chuck Whacker like that. I can't.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Amanda, you trying to go down to the club? Chuck Whacker got a table. I'm trying to meet you.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, I don't want it.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So this is one of the locals who invested in Roundhouse and said Kyle was a master. I think he could get money out of a guy living under a bridge.

He was that good.

A promoter and a pitchman. Chuck. I think your guessing Kyle because you got scammed. So you need everybody to know you got scammed by, like, Elon Musk. Not just some phony who came into town. That's another thing about scams. There's a little bit of shame in it. Like, if you get scammed, you're like.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, you feel like, oh, my God, they got me. This is crazy. Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? So you got to be like, it was actually Albert Einstein. He had just left the patent office. And then he got me. Like, you gotta hype it up so you don't feel bad. So Sandler ultimately brought in around $1.9 million from over 50 investors.

[Amanda Seals]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he got the bag. Kyle, then 43, who grew up in Maryland, eventually his career. So this is like, about him. Eventually his career into promoting startup businesses online while he built a name as a serial entrepreneur. We've talked about the words serial entrepreneur. It means criminal.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

If you are a serial entrepreneur, you are going from crime to crime like Frogger. And we know it.

[Amanda Seals]

Got it. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he said he moved to Opelika because his wife wanted to move back home. Opelika offered high speed fiber optic networks for Internet and an incentive of free Internet service worth about $50,000. Now, I don't know, like how you found that out. Okay, so he had an entrepreneurial career. He also offered mentorship to young entrepreneurs in town, which is how he met 13 year old Taylor Rosenthal.

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, what?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He met a 13 year old? He was given mentorship.

[Amanda Seals]

I don't like Taylor.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Taylor was the creator of an idea for a vending machine that disperses injury related gear marketed towards athletes on the field. Like Band aids, bandages and antiseptic. So they don't have like. So this is Tyler and this is him standing next to his invention, His. His pain, Blood tears.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Now here's my thing. This is why American healthcare system is so ass. I need a band aid and you telling me I gotta put in six quarters.

[Amanda Seals]

Fair, fair.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm bleeding and I gotta. Yeah, I gotta hit one. Six, seven. I gotta hit 12, seven to get my. What?

[Amanda Seals]

Oh, okay. Tyler.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They don't got medics for this help. So the concept was expanded for general public use at theme parks and concert venues. Okay, that's actually not bad. If I went to a theme park or concert venue and they had Band Aids for the girls, I don't know. What else do you need to cut? Like an EpiPen.

[Amanda Seals]

You could need an EpiPen that's actually real or like, you know, it's mosquitoes and stuff. So you may need hydrocortisone or something.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Some off. So I don't know. Records show that RecMed LLC formed on December 1, 2015 and Sandler registered it. Like was a registered agent to this property. So Taylor and his parents as co owners had a 70 stake. So then our scammer Kyle had like 30. The company was based on the Roundhouse, even though they made a promotional video for the machine. Okay. I mean the machine could actually be cute. But also, don't they have medicines at concerts?

[Amanda Seals]

Yes, yes, they do.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So, okay. Soon after an article in Ink magazine named Taylor One of the 20 teen entrepreneurs set for success in 2015, stories were sent around. An undisclosed company was offering Taylor like $30 million for his pain vending machine machine. In an interview with Fox Business Tiles, says that he rejected the offer, holding out for 50 million. So he's like, I can get more for these Band Aid machines. How much you bleed? Are you bleeding fast? So according to Taylor's family Sandler, Kyle showed them documentation indicating that pharmaceutical giant Johnson and Johnson was interested in the theme park giant Six Flags. So basically he showed up and was like, hey, Johnson and Johnson. They said.

[Amanda Seals]

Nice.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They said, Six Flags said, we would also like to partake. And he Had a piece of paper showing them that, like, you can't just type pieces of paper up because you could just.

[Amanda Seals]

And put a logo on the head. Look at us teaching folks how to scam. Now. You just get. Put the logo on the. On the top of it and make it a letterhead, and then you print it up and they Photoshop.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So he. He showed up fresh out of Kinko's paper. Hot as hell.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Talking about Johnson Johnson. They want you. So more and more attention was being brought to Roundhouse, which is Kyle's business, and legitimate business people were working there. In 2016, McAfee started a bizarre presidential campaign. I told you, he's wild. He's a wild man. And he announced Roundhouse and Sandler as his campaign advisor. So now Kyle has gone from being an entrepreneur grind hard motivationalist list to a campaign advisor serial entrepreneur. He got lots of jobs, right?

[Amanda Seals]

You did red flag. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can see how that. You can see how that correlates, right? Like, he went from basically being like.

[Amanda Seals]

Team no sleep to out here, White House. It's okay. Listen. I'm. I'm still listening.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So. However, a bitcoin mining company with ties to McAfee at the time, MGT Capital Investments, acquired a membership interest in the roundhouse in, like, May 2016. So these are just more people getting interested in buying. That's how this stuff goes. You have a lot of money, then you see somebody who's like, hey, you got a lot of money? I'll make you more. And then they just get involved. Company invested 125,000, provided another 250,000 in stock bonuses. Despite the promises of huge paydays around the corner and national press attention, roundhouse abruptly closed December 2016 after running out of money.

[Amanda Seals]

It never had money.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

No, they didn't. They never had money.

[Amanda Seals]

They never had money like you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You just show up to Roundhouse thinking you about to have a business meeting. It's just a chain on a door.

[Amanda Seals]

I hate this for everybody. Oh, my God. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So days later, the Opelika Auburn News quoted Sandler saying the business had simply run out of coins. I'm sorry for what happened to Opelika and Roundhouse. I lost control. And we ended where we're at, at where the money go. How did y' all run out of coins? This is all ideas. How do you run out of idea money? If everybody's invested in an idea? Where did the idea of money go?

[Amanda Seals]

I'm really. And he went to Opelika, probably because he was thinking, like, you know, these people don't know. They don't know. Like, this is slow town. It's a small. Yeah, it's a small town. Not slow as in mentally, but, like, you know, it's a big fish, small pond. Like, they're not going to.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He's driving a Jaguar. Yeah.

[Amanda Seals]

Like, it's impressive. It's like when New York dudes would go to HBCUs. I mean, it was like, HBCUs down south. Like, it was like, you from the big city.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? And that's what the. That's what the thought was here. So the truth was, before Roundhouse's closure, several investors discovered who Sandler really was. This is Kyle. So Kyle never worked for Google? Duh. I'm sure an easy Google, like, you could have just.

[Amanda Seals]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Used the search engine.

[Amanda Seals]

Kyle worked for Foot Locker.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Her.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay. Like, get out of here.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Kyle used Google. He was like, I. I did a lot of work with Google because I would open the search engine, and I'd be like, how to crime? So technically not lying. So they discovered he was a fraud. Right. And despite cruising around in his Jaguar, he was never wealthy. You can rent an expensive car. Have you been to Atlanta? That's all they do is drive around their mortgages. Sorry, Atlanta. Sorry to this. Dang. In 2010, he was convicted in Maryland and North Carolina of attempted theft and forgery, but never went to prison. Cute. We love a conviction, but just like, you opted out of jail. How did that work? I see it all the time.

[Amanda Seals]

Did you ever see that. That doc on docu series on Netflix. How to. How to fix a drug. How to fix a drug scandal. That's a scam. Oh, you need to watch that. That's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Okay. How to fix a drug scandal. Cause I didn't know you could go to court and they'd be like, you're guilty. You'd be like, all right, cool. See y' all later. Thank you so much.

[Amanda Seals]

Legit, though, Like. Yeah, that's. Okay. Well, we agree, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Damn, a bummer. I am guilty. All right, well, y' all be easy, and then you just leave. Like, I thought they're supposed to detain you after. No.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm black, so I would know nothing about that. Like, they lock us up before we even go to court. So online reviews from his stint as a wedd dj.

[Amanda Seals]

Yo, this is. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Detail that he was known to vanish. Somebody petty, and I love that for them. Cause, like, how you hire a wedding DJ and you show up and you're, like, ready for the first dance and there's just no music. Y'. All whole wedding is no music. No music.

[Amanda Seals]

He showed up with an ipod.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't think he showed up at all.

[Amanda Seals]

An ipod and was, like, turning the dial.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, I feel as though he didn't show up with anything at all. I feel like he took the money and then just didn't come to the wedding, which. That's ass. Oh, wow.

[Amanda Seals]

Because I feel like if you do that, it's like people will find you out and, like, you like, the wedding circuit, I feel like, is, like, pretty tight.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They talk. Yeah, they talk. And the wedding planners, like, you know, it's not just a little bit. Yes, they all talk. So after Roundhouse is shut down, Taylor Rosenthal's family learned that Sandler had also been lying about the $30 million deal, which he was purely orchestrated to be parroted by a child's interviews to bolster Roundhouse's reputation. So basically, he was like, oh, y' all got all these deals on the table, but he was just doing that so he could get the free clout from the child selling the medical vending machine.

[Amanda Seals]

He's not a dumb man.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. Because in an article on AL.com, this is a quote that was the most tragic of things he did. He sucked in this 14 year old. Bo used that kid viciously, Said John, who had. Viciously. I don't know about viciously. Like, yeah, you know, when you 14, you can recover. Like, you can recover. So I think. I think it's okay. But, you know. So this is how he got arrested. He was arrested in June 2018. Records show that weeks earlier, he and a young woman formed a startup media company in College Station, which. That's where Texas A and M is located.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, I spent a lot of time there. Yeah, I dated a dude there who he ended up getting kicked. Well, he had gotten kicked off the team, and then he was scamming. God damn.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I mean, he got. Look, he was gonna play football. Then he was like, all right, crime. You know, you gotta have a backup. They say you gotta have a plan B. Your plan B can always be crime.

[Amanda Seals]

You. You saying that jokingly, but that's a number of people's plan B.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was like, NFL, okay, Crime.

[Amanda Seals]

Life comes at him fast.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Damn. Cause he's. He was. He looking real down bad here. He was looking like a tech guy before. Now he's looking like a criminal. Criminal. The hair is growing. He couldn't even go to great clips. What is this haircut? It feels like he started to get the haircut. And then they realized his car declined. And then they stopped. That's what it's giving. They started to cut the bang. And then they were like, oh, your card actually didn't go through. And then they kicked him out. Oh, tragic. We hate to see it. Or also maybe we love to see it. So record show. Weeks earlier, you know, he tried to start this startup, and he was in College Station, and he's talking about he was gonna get like $650 million for the girls, and the minimum investment was $10,000. It was also discovered that much like the 1.9 million Sandler raised, which I'm like, okay, 1.9 million. Why are you looking this raggedy? Where did that money go that fast?

[Amanda Seals]

I am gonna say you can do a lot with 1.9 million. Okay, a lot.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You can definitely. At least.

[Amanda Seals]

There. Touche.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like greed.

[Amanda Seals]

But greed is what really be taking folks out. Cuz me, if you had raised that 1.9. Just chill out.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah, I feel like after that, go to Bali. Yes. Go somewhere where your money can be long and just give it up.

[Amanda Seals]

And that has no extradition.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Oh, yes. See? Listen up, guys. So it was discovered that much of the $1.9 million Stanley raised was actually diverted to expenses such as child care, rent, and cars. And he was able to get away with it. No one asked to see his books or even a cursory check into his background. They just believed him because he looked like he could work in tech.

[Amanda Seals]

I hate everybody.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I'm not giving my money to you because you got a good costume. I'm gonna need to see some things. I'm gonna need a forensic accountant to help me out with that. Not just like, oh, you got cute fits. And then I'm gonna give you my money and hope. No, listen. So Sandler said one of the things to look at was how easy it was. For me, anything I said was taken as gospel. And a lot of scammers are charismatic. So they were like, yeah, Sandler, you said Obama gonna be here tonight. Yeah, yeah, he was. But the jet, they had ran out of fuel. You know how much jet engine fuel cost? So they actually going to Exxon right now, but they gonna be here later.

[Amanda Seals]

Like, what? It's just so wild. Like, he really just showed up and was like, yeah, this what I am. And they were like, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We believe you. We hear you talking and we believe you. So he pleaded guilty to two federal charges of wire fraud, securities fraud in August and faces a maximum sentence of 20 years on each 40 years in prison for ste money from people who should have done their due diligence. I don't know. It feels excessive. It feels excessive and expensive. Like prison is expensive on taxpayers. Like, I don't know, maybe we get Sandler into some investment classes. I don't know. He does some community service. He goes back to DJing. He DJs all those weddings and he missed. Now he gets on the turntables.

[Amanda Seals]

It's been years. So he's DJing the bar mitzvahs of their.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right. He gets on the ones and twos for the community. I feel like that's fair. So earlier this year he was indicted on fraud and money laundering. And John McAfee. Oh, damn everybody. So he alleged that he and others, including John McAfee made more than $13 million by fooling investors zealous over emerging cryptocurrency market, which crypto is its own game.

[Amanda Seals]

It really is. I bought some bitcoin. I don't know what it does. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

When did you buy it? Did you get in early?

[Amanda Seals]

No, I don't. My knowledge on the conversation has ended.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Fair.

[Amanda Seals]

We have reached the end of my knowledge on the conversation.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

So after his release, Sandler dreams of using Internet opalika based business to raise money and raise money and repay his victims when he's released from prison. And he said, I hope they will have me back. They will, Kyle.

[Amanda Seals]

I bet you they would.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You hope they will have you back. You robbed them. You came to the town and you robbed everybody, Daddy.

[Amanda Seals]

I bet you they would have him back. I, I swear, I love the delusion.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Of like, no, but they still love me. I was a cool guy. Yeah, I stole their life savings.

[Amanda Seals]

But vibes, No, I just, I want better for people. I want people to want better for themselves.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I do. But I also don't. I don't know, sometimes you do a scam and it or you do something risky and it turns out good. You know, it's not all bad.

[Amanda Seals]

By the way, I made $10 on my Bitcoin claim.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Look at you winning. Okay, see? See something good came out of that. Oh, you never know.

[Amanda Seals]

And now I'm getting a call from scam likely.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Wow, that's actually me, girl. Sorry, I butt dialed you. That's actually me. So scammer of the week, a fortune teller was arrested for fraud, including scamming one victim out of $50,000 in Riverside, California. Okay, I don't know if you could put fortune teller and fraud in the same sentence.

[Amanda Seals]

Yeah, because I feel like it's already coming from the left.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's like saying corrupt police. Like, what are we doing? Like, yeah, duh.

[Amanda Seals]

Cuz. Fortune teller. Maybe we're being American right now. In other cultures, like, maybe that's like some legit shit. But here in these United States, I feel like a fortune teller has always been synonymous with someone who's like, just getting you, you know, they're preying on your insecurity.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is a fortune teller who probably looks like. He identifies as male. He looks pretty handsome. And he got a fade. I've never normally. Fortune tellers are women. They're old, they give you gravitas. Okay, so the fortune teller, 31 year old, Andreas Pena Menis, or my nieces, excuse me, told victim, told a victim that she had parasites in her body and needed money to help her clear it out. Okay, so if you looked into daddy future and. And they said the girl has worms, why wouldn't she go to the doctor? How you gonna clear it out?

[Amanda Seals]

Out? This is. But you know, people don't be trusted in medicine. I don't blame them either, you know, like, true. The same people that you're talking about probably would have used ivermectin versus a vaccine, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

And not even got the ivermectin for people from the doctor.

[Amanda Seals]

They going straight to the horse's mouth.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Literally taking it out of the horse's mouth. Poor horses, they're like, what did we do? We was just out here trying to be stallions and now we can't get our horse dewormer. Wow. So he later contacted the victim and explained that if she and her family were cursed and needed more money to get rid of it. So how do you, how do you feel somebody for being cursed? You're like, okay, I gotta. First of all, I gotta buy a lot of sage for y'. All crystals. The market for crystals is real up right now. Like it is though.

[Amanda Seals]

The market for crystals is up right now.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I gotta charge them.

[Amanda Seals]

In the moonlight, this crystal life, like, in a real way.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I got a few crystals. I won't lie. I haven't charged them, but I got them, you know, they're fine.

[Amanda Seals]

I need to charge.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

What else. What else do you say is contributing to this? $50,000 for you to clear a family curse? Like, I gotta talk to a lot of spirits. And honestly, it's like, it's like 6,000 an hour.

[Amanda Seals]

It's taxing, it's taxing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

We talking candles, we talking, you know.

[Amanda Seals]

Like the, the, the WI FI signal has to be really strong.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Really strong. And listen, these aren't candles from Glade, okay? These have to be handmad know thick wick candles. They. They run up. Honestly, Joe Malone is really where you contact the spirit world, so.

[Amanda Seals]

Because the candle will absolutely run you.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes, it will run it up. So during a search for of its home, officials found large amounts of cash, along with voodoo dolls, tarot cards, altars, religious and satanic objects, and a small live snake. Well, he was giving it presentationally.

[Amanda Seals]

The small snake is my favorite part. He was like, we gonna really bring this to another level, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was like, if the snake starts slithering, that means your family cursed. It's like, doesn't that. That's how snakes move? Oh, no, no, no. If you're not cursed, it's gonna walk and stay still.

[Amanda Seals]

Sticks its tongue out. It's talking to me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yeah. And it's telling me that your family evil. So what y' all trying to do? According to some victims, manicias would tell them to bring a mattress from their home, which he would cut open and claim to find the. The demonic type items and letters.

[Amanda Seals]

But you know what? Y' all dumb for doing this. The same way that there are an Entire Legion of QAnon members, believers, like, in Dallas right now that we're waiting to see John F. Kennedy come back to life to claim the Donald Trump as the real president. Some people, I feel like they want to be seen scammed. Like, they're like, I scam me. Make me feel alive.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Right? There's also something in America about being, you know, a contrarian or on the opposite side of a theory that makes people feel smart. So, like, this is a secret thing that we all found out that, like, John F. Kennedy is the second coming. And.

[Amanda Seals]

But there's, like, opposite side and then just, like, the upside down.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, hey, girl, we going to Joanne's fabrics first. Actually, we going to Hobby lobby, because they really hate the girls. And so we're gonna get our puffy pant and our. And then meet us on the grassy knoll. Because they said, John F. Kennedy gonna pull up around 6:30. So I just.

[Amanda Seals]

I can't. So, like, it's the same energy that's like, all right, the wax shit that's happening in my house, it's probably not me. It's probably a snake in my mattress.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

But, Andres, how are you getting the snake in the mattress without them noticing? Like, how are you cutting it open and then being like, oh, see, there's a snake in here. John, we saw you put Andres, we saw you put that in there.

[Amanda Seals]

Look, look, a bird. It's a plane, you know? And they turn back around. He's like, look, it's John F. Kennedy. And they turn around looking for jfk. And when they turn back, they're like, we did not see him. And they're like. But he's like, I saw a snake.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

They're like, oop, Is that your dad? Grandma, look over there.

[Amanda Seals]

Do you understand how hard it is to bring a mattress somewhere?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. So they got moving trucks. Y' all getting a U Haul.

[Amanda Seals]

And is it a box spring? Like, I just. I like. That's not a casual. He didn't say bring an article of clothing, right? A mattress.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He didn't say bring a letter, bring a piece of jewelry.

[Amanda Seals]

Why he chose something so massive? And did he make them haul it away later? Like, did he make them take the mattress with them?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He had to have. He's not keeping the mattress. He's like, y' all go to Mattress Giant. Like, Mattress Giant's about to have some new ads. Like, did you have a snake in your mattress? Just a Mattress Giant.

[Amanda Seals]

Hate hearing about. Like, it just. It drives me batty to hear. People really just set themselves up for the foolery, right?

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like a whole. And mattresses are expensive. Like, I don't know if I'm cutting my mattress open for a psychic reading. That just feel like Ms. Cleo would never. Ms. Cleo said, Call me now. She's never said, run me your Casper. Like, that's a lie.

[Amanda Seals]

Run me your Casper.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's too much. And so some victims said that he would tell them to, you know, bring the mattress. He would tell them that, you know, they had a demonic spir. He was recently booked on charges of grand theft and lies, or basically grand theft by false pretenses. And he's currently out on bail. According to records, he has previously been arrested as a faith healer in Chicago.

[Amanda Seals]

Okay, okay, well, all right. He's been arrested as a faith healer.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

He was a bad faith healer.

[Amanda Seals]

Hilarious.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know how you arrest somebody for this. This feels like if I was trying to get the police to find somebody on a train who told me that they left their wives and that they needed cash. And I was like. I saw them do the same thing last week in New York. Like, I feel like you just have to take the l. You brought your mattress to somebody's home. You are culpable.

[Amanda Seals]

I guess if he affected enough people in the community, it just becomes like, you're a menace, and thus you Must be dealt with. I don't know what the indictment charge is.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You know, was he trying to furnish his home? He was like, I feel like you have a very bad spirit in your end table. Is it.

[Amanda Seals]

Woo.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Bring it to my house Home, cuz I met you. It's a spirit in there. Yo, do you have a Panasonic? Do you have a LG tv? Is it flat screen? Oh, it's a spirit in there. Bring it to my home.

[Amanda Seals]

Like the premise of some type of twisted Korean film.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Like, right, you got a Brita. Yeah, the new one with the thing to tell you when it's all, yeah, bring that in several refills to my home. It's a spirit in there.

[Amanda Seals]

And then when it arrives, it's like, oh, this the wrong one, you hear. Right.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

This is getting very specific, Andreas. Like, I heard you got a spirit. It's definitely in your Persian rug. Bring it to my. Like, are you decorating your house on. On Psychic Vibes?

[Amanda Seals]

I'm doing.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

I don't know, Andreas, but that brings us to the end of the show. Thank you so much, Amanda, for being here. You're fabulous.

[Amanda Seals]

Thank you for having me.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Where do you want to be found? That's what we ask people. All the things you want people to find you in just where you want to be found.

[Amanda Seals]

You know, where people can find me? People can find me on my Patreon. We started a smart, funny, and black Patreon. And you. I was really looking for a place where I can put content that I didn't want to have to put on Instagram, because Instagram is haters. And you know this Mark Zuckerberg and his metaverse, like, they just do things that are silencing people that actually are about things. And I really.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Have they unblocked your live?

[Amanda Seals]

They have not. They have not unblocked my life. So by the time this airs, I hope that they have. But as we're recording this, it's been 12 days and I just can't go on Instagram live. And, like, there's no explanation being given other than, like, we're working on it. And I'm just like, dang, like, is my shit so bad? Like, I just. There's.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

You have great lives. They're not bad or problematic. There's people with bad lives.

[Amanda Seals]

It says that the reason why it won't go live is because I have violated community guidelines. But even with that, I'm like, what? What guidelines am I violating? Like, the last time I got a flag for violating a community guideline was because someone came on my post and said that I was stupid and that I was an idiot. And I was like, actually. And I corrected them about like the stuff they were saying and then I ended with B I S H that's not a thing. I ended with B I S H bish and got flagged for that. Now, come on.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

That's so whack. I feel like you do get a lot of unnecessary heat. Like when the insecure like AKA thing happened, it was like, girl, what are y' all talking about?

[Amanda Seals]

I live. Like, I honestly, if I was actual. I was talking to DJ Envy about this the other day and I was like a folks who get shit on for no reason. I think think I'm you're up top of the pops, B. Like, because the, because the reasons that people be on me is 9 times out of 10, either they've misinterpreted something I said or they believed something someone else said that had no truth to it. Like I've had a particular blog like ruin my life like three times by literally just putting out a headline that was not accurate for the sake of inciting violence. They chose violence. But I, I started my Patreon because there were still people who are like fans and who want to get, you know, dope stuff and who I want to be able to like have commentary for without being in like the swamp of the socials. And so you can go to patreon.com backslash smart, funny and black. You can check out my web series get your life. We have two seasons up. We also have my web series Views from Amanda Land where I answer questions, questions from folks all over the world and I do sketches and characters etc. We also have a new segment we're about to start called Hate lines from the Interwebs where I address the wild ass headlines he will be creating about me and you know, give, give the truth and the tea on all those things. And we also have a dope just for Patreon segment coming up from my podcast. We're doing an artist series on Small Doses where we're talking to different artists including Christina Martinez who just did a collab with no Nordstrom and the portrait gallery artist Ms. Amy Sherrell who did Michelle Obama's portrait. So we have a dope consortium of of artists that are joining us and we, we did for Patreon was we did a sec. A specific segment just for Patreon where they walk us through my favorite pieces of theirs and they talk about why they did them and you know where they were in their mind and just the background of everything. So I'm just, like, super duper excited about that. We have a bunch of other stuff coming, and again, only available on Patreon, so hopefully you guys will check it out. Patreon.com smartphone funny in black.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. And your Instagram. And then obviously you have a podcast, Small Doses.

[Amanda Seals]

Yes, you can check out my podcast Small Doses every week. My Instagram is Amanda Seals, you know, and that's. And. And you can also go to smartphoney and black.com and we got some cool stuff going on over there. And we actually ask anyone who's interested to please sign up for our newsletter, the Union, because really, we want to be able to connect directly with the folks that love our brand and the stuff we created. Create. Right now I feel like a lot of folks have to go through Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or whatever to connect to their audiences, and it makes it to where, like, the man is in the way. So we're trying to get around the man and get directly to the people. So head over to smartphoney and black.com and sign on up.

[Lacey Mosley (Scam Goddess)]

Yes. Love this as always. D I B A L A C I D V On all platforms. Scam got his pod. If you want to check out the pictures from this game. Got his pot on Twitter as well. If you want to stitch on your friends and family. Scam got got a [e-mail]. yeah. Watch Blacklight schedule. It's all out on HBO Max. Watch iCarly. First season's out on Paramount. Plus get into our shenanigans, guys. We're up for an iHeartRadio award. Watch. Tune in. Thank you. And also the merch. Podswag.com I'm about to switch it up, so if you want this round of merch, let's get it now before I take it away. Congregation, Stay scheming. Yeah, I've got it. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

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[Amanda Seals]

In the floor flesh.

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[Amanda Seals]

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[Amanda Seals]

No worries.

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[Amanda Seals]

If you're gonna stick around, just pull up a chair.

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