
In this week’s Fraud Friday, Laci throws it back to Episode 7 and kicks it with writer, comedian, and actor Lamar Woods (Single Parents, New Girl) to talk about personal Airbnb scams and Airbnb scams on a larger scale. Stay schemin’! (Originally released 11/11/2019) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at ScamGoddessPod@gmail.com. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Lamar Woods: @prophmatic Research by Sharilyn Vera SOURCES: https://www.vice.com/en/article/nationwide-fake-host-scam-on-airbnb/?utm_source=vicetwitterus&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_858978
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This episode of Scam Goddess is brought to you by McDonald's. Listen, it's the holiday season. You know, There is always someone trying to ruin it. Trying to step on my McGriddle, which I do not play about. But it turns out the Grinch is taking over McDonald's with a meal full of mischief. Even the fries aren't safe. He hit them with dill pickle. Grinch salt. I know that's right. The collectible socks marked Property of the Grinch. I will definitely have a pair of those. And the Grinch meal box wrapped in pure mischief. Oh, the Grinch is a queen. So if you're ready to let the Grinch ruin your season, grab a Grinch meal for yourself before he heads back to Mount Crumpet. Only at McDonald's. At participating McDonald's for a limited time while supplies last. Let's be real. Great sex starts with the right toys. Funlove.com has you covered with one of the largest selections of adult products online. From vibrating and bondage to lingerie and lube, they've got everything you need to play your way. Shipping is always 100% discreet. No labels, no awkward packaging. And with unbeatable prices, you can indulge without having to break the bank. Even better, our listeners get a 30% off with the code Goddess at checkout funlove.com Low prices, high satisfaction. What's poppin, congregation? It's ya girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of FR Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming. Scams. C. Robbery and Fraud. Scams. Cause Robbery and Fraud. What is up, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacy Mosley. And we're back for another installment of Scam Goddess. Did I say my name? It's Lacy Mosley. Sometimes I don't say my name, so I just had to check. Guys, I'm so, so stoked for this guest today. You have seen his work everywhere. You've seen. He has a movie called this Is It's a Party. It's a Party. The film, which is on Showtime, right?
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Yeah.
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Yes. Which is super cool. He's a writer. He's written for the New Girl for Single Parents. Like, he's written for so many amazing TV shows, and he's so hilarious. He's a part of an amazing comedy team called White Women Improv. Lamar Woods Yeah.
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What up, Lacey? What's good?
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Oh, my God. What's poppin? It's so good to have you.
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I know. I couldn't wait. As soon as I saw the poster for this podcast, I was like, I gotta do this show, so. Cause that shit looked tight.
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Listen, organized religion is a scam. My mama said I gotta stop saying that on air.
B
Oh, on air or on the podcast?
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Well, in general, she was like, please do not say this anymore. We're a Christian family.
B
Oh, yeah.
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She worried I'm embarrassing her, like. Cause her church friends be trying to listen to my podcast. I'm like, mama, this is not for, you know, Christianity.
B
There's a lot of scams happening.
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You talking he this shit on here?
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Yeah, gang. I like religion. I studied religion in college, so I'm all about.
A
Oh, wow. What school did you go to?
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I went to Georgia State.
A
Oh, okay. That's a very black school.
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Yeah, it is. How'd you know that? A lot of people don't know that.
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Oh. Cause my cousin was in Morehouse.
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Yeah.
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So all the Georgia schools I was very familiar with because I would go down there. That's where I would get my HBCU experience. Cause I went to a predominantly white institution. We call them PWIs.
B
Right.
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But I would go to, like, Atlanta Homecoming. I was twerking on stage with Gucci Mane. This is before he went to prison, unfortunately. So not the Cindy Bomb. Yes.
B
Sometimes that twerk don't count if it's pre Gucci prison twerk.
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He was still making good music then.
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No, he was great.
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Yeah, but he did not. His glow up had not happened yet.
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He was like, nah, I know what you mean. Well, I always wanted to go to the hbc, like the, you know, Morehouse and down there. But then I was like, you know, I only got intercepted to Georgia State. So I was kind of bummed out. But then I got there, I was like, oh, there's hella black people down there. So it was great. It was dope.
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I love it. We try to get as many black people on this podcast as possible. Apparently, we started to get some reviews that the podcast is too urban. So we made it. Yes. Nickalicious.
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Oh, man, I would love to get that review.
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Right. I was like, we made it, guys.
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That's the one thing I was like.
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We started with Paul F. Tompkins, and it was touch and go. I love Paul F. Tom. I love Paul. But everybody's like, what is this show?
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They was like, everybody was like, oh, shit, that's my boy. Paul F. Thomas. And it just got real black.
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They came for the Paul, and they were like, wait a minute, Negroes?
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That's how I see Paul. He's kind of a good fish for. You know, it's like you put Paul out there, and then you get a bunch of black folks out there.
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Right, right, Exactly. Paul is dapper as hell, too. And the blacks love Paul. The blacks love him. Shout out to a king.
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Word.
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They do shout out to a king. But, Lamar, what's your relationship with scams?
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My relationship with scams? I think mostly it's like pyramid schemes. Cause I feel like that has to.
A
That's your scam of choice.
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No, I just. I feel like I kept involved in them when I was younger because I used to work in the mall when I was a kid, when I was in high school.
A
Right place for scams.
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Yeah, yeah. Then. Then I would wear nice clothes because I worked at JCPenney's. And then I would sit in the mall at lunch, you know, eating the. What's the food court? Is that what that's called?
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Yes.
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And then I feel like. I don't know. I feel like I just look like this helpless young black man, you know?
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So were you wearing, like, a suit?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they would come up to me, be like, hey, man, let me sit down. Talk to you, brother. And then start asking me questions. And, you know, I'm trying to be nice. And then they start, you know, they say, you know, do you want more out of life? Because they know I ain't making no money at J.C. penney's. And then they would, you know, get me to come to this house. I went to this house that night, and it was like, all these people there. And then I'm like, this ain't no real company. And it was like we were selling credit cards, but it was like, not no major credit card. It was weird.
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Is the credit card company being run out of a house?
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Yeah, you ain't supposed to call nobody.
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Landline.
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It was a customer service, but that was my first introduction to skims, and it never really left. I felt like I kept getting approached, and then for some reason, I was still.
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You were going pretty far along with it. If you made it to the house where they were, they doing the credit card.
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I was actually scared because to come on his podcast, I'm probably the person who's the most. I don't know if you have, like, scammers come on, but I'm definitely, like, the victim.
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You're a mark.
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Yeah. I'M a mark? Is that what they call it? Yeah, because I'm so. I believe in the good in all people. So, like, I'm always giving people the benefit of doubt. So the guy's like, you know, we're going to get you some work and get you a better opportunity. I'm just assuming that he's gonna do that for me.
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You don't know how excited I am. We haven't.
B
What's gonna happen?
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We haven't. Listen, I got a credit card company and it is run out of my house.
B
Oh, well, okay. I don't know. We work in the garage. Wait a minute.
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We work in the garage. We got great benefits. Okay.
B
I don't know. I don't know about all that.
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We haven't had a mark yet. We've had a lot of scammers and a lot of people who say that they aren't scammers. And then by the end, they're like, oh, my God, I'm a charlatan. Oh, but I haven't had a genuine mark yet. You have this beautiful glow in your eyes. Oh, yeah.
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I'm too trusting. Like, I got. I was doing one where we're selling, like, car wax at the gas station. You ever see those people? They sell car wax at the gas station. And it's like. You're like, what is this? It's like, first of all, why are we selling. Why are we independently selling this, like, item and then at a place that sells it inside the gas station? And then we have to go up to strangers in the car and then do tests. You have to, like, test it. Have you ever seen this? You know what I'm talking about?
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We sell it. So y' all was selling it for cheaper? Yeah, this is a.
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But then we had to do the demonstration in front of them, and then we would keep how many, depending on how much we sold. We would keep the.
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You know, how much would you demonstrate? Like, could I get my whole car waxed as a demonstration?
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See, that would be. See how scammy you are? You just flipped it on those guys. Yeah.
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How do you get involved in that job? Is it in the Craigslist ad? Is it on a newspaper? It's on Craigslist.
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Well, basically, that was when I moved to la. Basically, like, you know, you come out here and you need a job. I would go on Craigslist and they would say marketing because I had a business degree. Or actually I had a associate's degree in business. And then I would go on the. You know, on the Craigslist. And it would say marketing. And I'm like, that's what I want to do. You know what I mean? Or like, you know, something specific to business. So then I would call them and then they would. Everything would seem legit and set up like a real Right.
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And then you would get to the house, and then like, whose house is this?
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Yeah. And people are like, where you going? Lamar's like, I gotta go to this residential area for work.
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Look, that's just what we work is. Wework is just like one house where everybody get a bedroom and do whatever cons that they work.
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Yeah. Is WeWork a scam?
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We work is a scam. They just got bought out because that shit wasn't working no more. They said, we work.
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We don't work. We don't work.
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Actually, I know. Cause like, scammy ass name, too. They was like, we work. That'll make people work.
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Yeah. Cause the best thing, it make you feel like you're a part of it. You know, I went to a WeWork, and I'm like, wait, this don't make. I can do this at home.
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You can, but we working. Okay. That's why at home, you home.
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Yeah, but, yeah, so I'm pretty susceptible to scams, but I probably shouldn't put that out there. Like, that's probably something I shouldn't do.
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In my congregation, there's a lot of scammers. They will hit you up.
B
Oh, no. Is it a real like.
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Yes, they will hit you up and they will try to run scams on you, Lamar. So just be careful. If anybody hits you up, talking about they need some milk for they baby or, you know, anything. Sus don't go with it.
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I'm gonna call you. How about you be my scam like. Like guru. Like, I'll call you and, like, you let me know. All right. This is a scam.
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Okay, cool. Yeah. Cause I don't want you getting scammed. I just want you getting involved in my scams. Right. So which actually brings us to the first segment, Hot and Fraud, which is where we warn our listeners about hot new scams on the street, and then we see if we want to get them involved in ours. So this is actually a scam that. Okay, guys, on the Internet, you know, we all see, like, a juicy gossip story. It goes viral on Reddit. We're all talking about it. I have recently learned that these are scams. So sometimes people will make up viral content, like, especially on Facebook, and then get it on Reddit, get it everywhere. And put it in a private group so nobody can actually tell the origin of where it all came from for real. Just to drive traffic to like a new website, a new business, a page or anything like that. And one of the most recent ones that everybody was really talking about and kept tagging me in is the wedding scam. Okay, okay. But the story is still fun, so I'm still going to read it to you guys. But it is a con.
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Yeah.
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So this is the first message that comes from the bride. Hi, invitees to this wedding. This is the bride. And then it has like the pertinent information blocked out. After much reflection and tear filled conversation with our closest family members, we've decided to cancel our upcoming winter wedding. We will further notify the group when we are in a better place to reschedule. We thank each and every one of you for your generous donations to our money fund. Can you believe we have raised over $30,000? Unbelievable. Don't worry, the money you donated will not be spent in vain, but rather used towards a honeymoon in the coming months. After we regain financial stability and hold calm in our hearts from after our honeymoon, we will announce a new wedding date and reopen our money fund for any further gifts. Weddings are expensive. We are blessed to have generous family members with these large donations. Please stay tuned and in the meantime, we'll be updating our gift registry on Amazon. If anyone would like to give us something to take on our honeymoon. If you have any ideas where we should go, please DM me and Edward.
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Wow.
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As mentioned, we'll keep you updated with the new money fund and the new wedding in the works. Don't be too sad. New wedding's gonna be a hit. Love, Pam.
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Pam. I knew Pam wasn't gonna get married. Did it say weddings are expensive? Was it written that way or did you say what that was written? Really believable, right?
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But here's the crazy thing though, that there are crowdfunds happening for weddings. This is not actually that bizarre. And if the wedding just didn't happen, I would probably be pissed if I gave you my coins. And I'm expected to get a chicken or a fish plate, right? And I'mma dance, you know, and hopefully find like a bachelor there. I'mma find a man like you fucking up all my bags. I was supposed to come get a meal, get drunk, find a new love interest who's like all full of whimsy cause he just watched two niggas get married. Then we was going to at least make out. He was probably going to touch my boob. Now I'm not going to have none of that.
B
Yeah, that's a real shame.
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I would be mad.
B
So I don't understand. So it's basically like we're all you were. Is it sent to people that were invited?
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Like people in the private Facebook group? Okay, now I'm telling y' all that I think this whole thing is a scam in itself. But I just thought the concept was so fascinating. And I get why these are so like, we are so interested in them because, like, these do happen and people use GoFundMe money for the wrong reason all the time. Yeah, it's like no one can actually tell you what to do with the money.
B
And yeah, that's crazy that GoFundMe's been corrupted like that.
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I mean, is it?
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I don't know. I feel like you're right though. It is like people would be just texting you now, like, hey, man, I'm hurting. Like, you know, I gotta GoFundMe. I'm like, wait, how did. Like, are you asking me for money? Just through this website, but I'm asking.
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Through a website link so that it is less personal and more professional. And you also feel badly right now.
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I feel like I'm doing some good by sending it to.
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Right. And also it's crazy because it's like a mass text for just hitting niggas up. Like, I remember when you had to like really grovel. You had to grovel for some coins. You'd have to text people or you had to call them and you had to call them when they're vulnerable. Like at 8pm right after supper, you.
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Had to call them. Yeah, I am vulnerable right there. Every time at 8pm I'm like, I hope no one asks me for nothing. Cause I will give it to you.
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Cause you're a little tired. You just ate. So you probably got the itis. And I know that you probably have a little empathy in your heart for me. You know what I mean?
B
That's right.
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So I call you up and be like, oh, you know, then I gotta tell you the long ass story. I gotta tell everybody the side. How many times you have to tell? I know, but I felt I sound like a baby boomer right now. But I know baby boomers are mad about GoFundMe because now everybody can just look at your sob story. They can't look at the news. If you got some news clippings. Oh, bitch, don't have a link to like a KTLA or ABC or something. Now you got some legitimacy. Or a video.
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People got videos because it's a wedding and you feel it tugs on your emotion. Because, you know, weddings are so emotional. It really kind of like you feel sad, you know? It's like, damn, like, the wedding, they not gonna be able to have it. Like, what can I do to help, you know?
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Right?
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I feel bad that I just remembered I didn't get a wedding gift for my friend. Cause I was in the wedding. I didn't. I was supposed to donate to the honeymoon.
A
You got undercar lights. How you gonna not get your friend a gift?
B
How you gonna put that out there like that? Just tell the world I got undercar lights.
A
This nigga got undercar lights. And he over here skimping on n weddings.
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No, I forgot. But I will do it today. I will do it today. Even though I think they already came back from the honeymoon. So I will donate. I will give them some.
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A gift is a gift. This episode of Scam Goddess is brought to you by McDonald's. Listen, it's the holiday season. You know, There is always someone trying to ruin it, trying to step on my McGriddle, which I do not play about. But it turns out the Grinch is taking over McDonald's with a meal full of mischief. Even the fries aren't safe. He hit them with dill pickle. Grinch salt. I know that's right. The collectible socks marked property of the Grinch. I will definitely have a pair of those. And the Grinch meal box wrapped in pure mischief. The Grinches a queen. So if you're ready to let the Grinch ruin your season, grab a Grinch meal for yourself before he heads back to Mount Crumpet. Only at McDonald's. At participating McDonald's for a limited time while supplies last. What's poppin, congregation? Okay, I'm coming at y' all hot because we need to debunk some things about Plan B emergency contraception, right now. Listen, Plan B is not an abortion pill. It's safe, effective backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy before it starts. And are y' all ready for the inside tea? It works by temporarily delaying ovulation and it will not impact your future fertility. Because some days. Who know, someday you might want a little unemployed person in your house. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step. Use as directed. There are some days where you need to look great as ever, but you need to do it in half the time. For those days, there's Batiste the number one dry shampoo brand in the usa. Like, there's been some days where I wrapped my hair up or it was straight or whatever, and, you know, it's getting a little. A little greasy, honey. Look like I just ate some, you know, french fries and then rubbed all my edges off. So I love Batiste because really, when you put it in your hair, it gives you just that little bit of volume and, like, clean look that you need to go about your day. Because, listen, we're busy, okay? Capitalism is trying to kill us. We have to be everywhere all the time, all at once. And that's why I love Batiste. You can instantly refresh your hair. It absorbs oil, grease, so your hair looks and feels more clean with added volume and texture. It's great on your hair and easy on your wallet. Okay, look, I have, like, textured hair. Like, it's like A4A4B black girlies. You know what I'm talking about? I never thought dry shampoo could be for us, too. Buy Batiste dry shampoo online or in store at your nearest retailer. Okay, so this goes on a little bit. People start to respond to this, and one person says, I took off a week of work, donated $100, and now you're telling me that you're going to use 30,000 fucking dollars for a honeymoon before a wedding? Are you insane? You got your lump sum and you say hasta la visa to your family and friends. 30K is a financial. Like, these are.
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I asked the vista.
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Hot, spicy, white people, angry words. Ask the la vista.
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Yeah, they pulled the big guns out.
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Wait till I hear Malarkey. That's how you know that.
B
That's how you know Malarkey. Yeah, she took a week off. How'd she get to take a week off of work for a wedding? That's crazy.
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Cause she was. I'm telling you, she was about to go get her life. She was gonna get her nails done, her hair did, everything did.
B
That's right.
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She was about to get a. She was going to the bachelorette party, was going to probably see some sexy men wagging dick around there. Then she was gonna go to the. It was about to be a horned up week for this woman, and she just fucked that all up.
B
Damn. Now she ain't getting her horned up. Where's that horny energy go, right?
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Send this angry message. This is my favorite part of it. She says, you're gonna need a few months to regain financial stability. And then the cherry on the cake is you have the motherfucking Christ on a bike's audacity to request more gifts. Christ.
B
Christ on a bike. I love that. Oh my God. There's nothing more audacious than Jesus Christ on a bike.
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Nothing. The man can walk on water.
B
Yeah, I know.
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He don't need no bike.
B
Yeah, he can turn water into wine, but he need a bike. Nah.
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So this goes on and people are threatening her to send us our money back, run me my coins. And then she's like, somebody put this on Reddit and it blew up and. And now I had to go to the hospital. She goes, I had to go to the hospital.
B
Wait, who's saying that?
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Who had to go to the hospital?
B
Oh, so she had to go to the hospital.
A
So after this goes viral, she's saying, I had to go to the hospital because I had a panic attack and the hospital cost me $780, $760.
B
It sounds like scam part two.
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She says, thank God you'll be forced to pay for that with a money fund. And she's like, do not contact me. Then she goes, and you can fucking. She says, I can't believe that I've had to endure all of this because of your slanderous attacks from my own family and friends. And now you can foot the $2,000 bill. I don't care. The bill went up in the second paragraph to 2000. It was 765 in the first paragraph.
B
That was crazy.
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And that was 2000. And then by the end of this, she's like, in the meantime, please consider donating any spa personal care items to my home address if you care about me at all. We've lost close to $3,000 from the money fund due to medical expenses. So in the fourth paragraph, it's now $3000.
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Dang. So as, as you read it, you just. Your pockets shrink as you keep going. So I. Alright, so let me ask you, because, you know, I don't really know, that's, that's a pretty good scam, if you know. What do you think? Is that like a good scam or is that. Would you see right through that right away?
A
So it all kind of starts to look a little fishy when you look at the comments, the time frame, the. The way that things are written, and also the fact that there's like no likes or like angry faces on anybody's comments. There's no way for us to tell that there was any real interaction happening between the people, but it was just slowly being released by someone. And then the whole story was the first story on this website's page ever. So it seems as though they were just trying to drive traffic with this fake story. But it's a good one because I was entertained. Like, y', all, I like this scam.
B
Like, yeah, that was entertaining. I felt like I could see the wedding. I mean, I was seeing everything. Like, the relationship, how it fell apart. And, like, her in the hospital. I was picturing that panic attack, which was like, is this a heart attack? It's definitely a heart attack. And then the fiance's like, no, baby, this is a panic attack. And they don't even know what to agree on. And he's like, look, I'm just going to the hospital because I don't have.
A
Babe, it's a take from the money fund.
B
Right? But we can't think about right now because your heart rate is at 170.
A
It's okay. When we go to the hospital, then we'll tell everyone we went to the hospital and that they need to donate more money and. Or spa supplies.
B
That's a good idea. And that's why I'm gonna marry you.
A
I love you. I love you so much.
B
I love you, too.
A
And your rich uncle, we thought we could never get anything out of him. Cause there's one guy who's like, I paid for me and my whole family, and he donated $12,000. I was like, $12,000 is what it costs you and your whole family to go to the wedding. How many motherfucking family members you got?
B
That's so crazy. Wow.
A
But people are, like, very particular about that. One of my best friends is about to get married, and she was saying, I'm only giving plus ones to people who have been in a relationship for five years or more. And I was like, damn. So I'm just about to bring my lonely ass to your wedding, like, by myself. Can I pay to bring a side dinner?
B
Yeah. Five years is a long time. I mean, that's basically like, they should be getting married. I mean, they're on the verge of.
A
That shit is, like, married, or. You have to be in a relationship for five years. So I either gotta be Carrie fucking Bradshaw out here big breaking my heart and my back.
B
Oh, what if it's somebody you dated for five years, but y' all broke up, but then you hooking up and.
A
We'Re talking right now. Come on.
B
Yeah. He's like, no, y' all not committed. But my cousin, she got. When she got married, she. She said the rule was they can't be if you bring a plus One, they just have had to have met them at one time. So if you're in their life, if they're in your life enough, they should have met. Met you. So that means if you can't have enough people, you keep in the side and you're not bringing them around, but you don't bring them around. Your friends.
A
Then what if I pull them up on FaceTime in the moment, like at.
B
The wedding, you're like, this is him. He's on his way, he's coming.
A
You're like, oh, technically you've met. See, that's how I get around that scam. I'd be like, but he.
B
Y', all.
A
Like, I get it. It's your wedding. You don't want to feed people. But also I'm like, can there just be an option where I just slide you to $55 for they plate or something? Because this is like.
B
I know. Yeah, just give her that. I'll give you an extra money for a plate.
A
Right?
B
That actually seems like a good idea.
A
But these are millennial problems. It's time for my favorite segment of this show. I say that every week. Historic hoodwinks. So this is where I'm gonna regale Lamar with a famous scam. And we're just gonna break it down and talk about it and make as much commentary as you want. This one, guys, okay? Y' all all tagged me in this on Twitter. I got tagged in this scam so many times that I'm doing this episode early and releasing it early. You guys are killing me. I love you so much. Also, leave us five stars, guys. Cause angry white men are ruining my review. Don't let angry white men scam me out of a five star rating. Thank you so much.
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Please don't.
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Right? I'm a black woman. Y' all gotta help me, okay? Trump is president and my life is too hard.
B
You know Trump. That's the biggest scam he is and.
A
I can't even talk about him. He's.
B
America.
A
He's. Oh, God. Oh. I could do like a 20 part episode on Trump, but I just can't praise him for that shit. Maybe when he's out of office.
B
Yeah, you should do like the day after he's out. Like a scam goddess.
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T glizzy first day out. Yes. Okay, so this is a historic hoodwink and it is about a nationwide Airbnb scam.
B
Okay?
A
Have you ever used an Airbnb?
B
Yeah, I've used it.
A
Where? What city?
B
I've used it in actually. Spain, actually, when I Went to Spain. Airbnb. In Barcelona.
A
In Barcelona.
B
Barcelona.
A
Yeah.
B
It was very nice. It was cool.
A
I feel like the Airbnbs that I've had abroad have been pretty nice, actually. I think I used one in Paris once, and it ended up being a bed and breakfast. And, like, they had the best croissants, which is, like, the most American thing to say, but it was like.
B
So they had some good croissants in Paris.
A
Listen, boy, them croissants in Paris, you would not believe.
B
Tell me how Paris was, man. The croissants.
A
So they doing something different to them over there. Okay.
B
But, yeah, I did an Airbnb there, and I did an Airbnb. That was. Why do I feel like that was the only time? I don't know. Oh, I did one in New York one time in Brooklyn, too. So that. Yeah, that was a tip.
A
Okay. Brooklyn feels like that's where it would probably get a little scammery. You know what I mean?
B
Oh, it was. I mean, I don't want to stop your thing, but I'll tell you what.
A
Oh, yeah. Did it end up shady?
B
Man, it was so whack. It was, like, so. In the picture, it said it was, like, an artist loft, right? And it was, like, all white, and it looked beautiful. Like, you could see the whole city. And I was like, oh, I want to stay here. So then when I got there, it was definitely.
A
It was like a homeless man peeing in a box.
B
Oh, man. It was. It was like, first there was a person. The person was not leaving. I mean, I think that might be normal to New York Airbnbs, but, like, she was in there. It was also. It was, like, completely in the hood, and it was like, rats everywhere. I saw, like, three rats when I walked in.
A
Oh, yeah, that's the rats neighborhood. Like, you stepped into their home. They were like, who is this thing?
B
It was.
A
We told her no subletters.
B
They were like, you're not supposed to do that. That's illegal. So then I get inside, and they have one of those cats, and I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm terrified of cats.
A
I thought you were gonna say allergic.
B
Not terrified, but so. But I can tolerate them. But this was the one that doesn't have any hair. It was, like, all bald.
A
Dr. Evil Cat.
B
Yeah. Yeah. It was disgusting. No offense if you like cats, but the.
A
We do love cats. I have a cat. I love cats.
B
I'm sorry.
A
It's okay.
B
It's okay. But just keep in mind I was paying to be at this place, so it's like. Like, I had to. It was like I was at a small room, and the cat was all over me, and I. I had to get out of there. I just.
A
Was all over you. They didn't even just, like, put the cat in another room. They just let the cat roam.
B
They just let it like, she. She was like, okay, this is the place, and then left. And then left me with the cat. And I was just sitting in the house in this. In this apartment.
A
Lamar, you got scammed to watch this woman's cat.
B
Yeah.
A
And then scammed you into watching her cat.
B
But then I left. So that cat was alone. That cat was alone all night.
A
Oh, no.
B
So I got out of there. I was like, I'm out of here. And then I just got a hotel somewhere.
A
That's so bizarre that no one wants an Airbnb where there is another per. Like, I don't want a roommate on Airbnb.
B
Why would I do that?
A
I don't want a roommate in my own goddamn home. I don't want one on vacation.
B
That is so true, Lacey. That's exactly how I felt. And also, like, I don't want to pay to be in around animals like that. I mean, like, even if I love cats or whatever, I don't want to go into an Airbnb, and there'd be animals in there. That seems like.
A
I thought you should talk about it, so this year, mention it. This Airbnb, very similar. Kind of like what we call a bait and switch in the scam game. The scam game. I said scam game, but we call this a bait and switch, which basically means, like, you're offered one thing and you get something else, which is exactly like what happened to your story in Brooklyn. Like, you were offered a beautiful loft, and what you got was. Is a roommate and a cat.
B
Well, now it sounds like a cool deal. It's like, yeah, I got you a.
A
Roommate and a cat and three rats.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah. So basically, these two people decided that they were gonna go to a music festival. And this was a big story that was in Vice that everybody tagged me in on Twitter. So the scam came about 10 minutes before we were set to check into this Airbnb. This is in Chicago. It says, I was sitting at a brewery just around the corner from the rental on Northwood street. And the man on the other end of the line said that our planned visit wouldn't be possible. A previous guest had flushed something down the toilet which had left the Unit flooded with water, he explained. Apologetic, he promised to let us stay in another property he managed until he could call a plumber. So I think that the scam is perfect because, like, what's the one thing that could not be functioning at a place that you would be like, okay, I can't stay there. And that's like, plumbing and. Or water. Like, if you say you ain't got water, I'm like, okay, bet.
B
Like, yeah, that's like, you know, our biggest fear. Like, with earthquakes, it's like water. Like, not having water in the place. Yeah. That's like an apoptolyptic type of situation.
A
But then it's also one of those things of, like, it can be broken and it can be fixed real quick. It's not like you said, the bitch burnt down. Like, you can't come back from saying something burnt down. You can't be like, okay, you actually can't stay in this Airbnb.
B
Like, this kitchen is charred. But, you know, we can't do that anymore.
A
You can't actually burnt down, so you can't stay here. You can't call the next day and be like, you know what? We got everything back up and running.
B
Yeah, you're right, though. It's like plumbers are on deck constantly.
A
Right?
B
I know. Plumbers ready to go. Everywhere I go, I see a plumber with a wrench ready to fix some shit. But they. You know, it would clearly, they sleep like that.
A
Yeah. You know what I mean?
B
They're like baskets.
A
I was like, baby, please put the wrench down. I'm trying to make love. He was like, I never know when they gonna call me.
B
Damn, Lacey, how you fucking plumbers out here?
A
Plumbers make good money and they loyal. These Hollywood men are not loyal.
B
Because my toes. Will it stay working?
A
Listen, I ain't never have no problems playing all the.
B
Actually, that makes sense. Cause, yeah, if you date me, I probably can't never fix your toilet.
A
You can't fix my toilet?
B
Nah.
A
Yeah.
B
See, I offer a lot of things, but fixing plumbing is not one of them.
A
That's a shame, truly. So this is a good excuse, right? So they basically decide in a quick pinch that, like, one, we don't have enough time to get a hotel right now. There's a lot of people in town. The rates are very high, obviously, like, if it's 10 minutes before you about to pull up at the joint, like, you really don't have a lot of options. So the Airbnb guy goes, don't worry, there's an upside. Here he goes, I have another rental place that is available right now and it's in the area.
B
Wow.
A
And he said that it's right off the blue line. It's spacious. And he says that this place.
B
Right off the blue line, you know, that.
A
Means something to us. He says it's about three times bigger. And that's the good news. Now, as if, she says, as if he could hear me calculating in my head how much of a hassle it would be to find a hotel and whatever. He's like, I don't have a lot of time. You have to decide immediately if you wanna change the reservation. She asked to talk in person. He said, I'm very busy at my job. Employment and my employment and I cannot speak on the phone. And you have to hurry up and decide now. So also, he's put a time constraint on this thing.
B
Wow, that's real scammy. Yeah, yeah. Time constraints.
A
Yeah. Cause you need duress. Like you. Cause if people are in their right mind, their despo meter is low. Like they're not gonna be desperate enough to fall for the scam. But if you got em on the brink of homelessness.
B
Yeah. Then it's like, I gotta do something. You gotta make a choice.
A
Flavor tastes just right.
B
Yeah, it's delicious.
A
Season to perfection. Scam. So.
B
That was great.
A
I love your laugh. Okay.
B
Oh, man.
A
So the bad news went unstated, obvious. And that was that they had unknowingly stumbled into a nationwide web of deception. This is what she calls it. That appeared to span eight cities and nearly 100 property listings. An undetected scam created by some person or organization that had figured out just how easy it was to exploit Airbnb's poorly written rules in order to collect thousands of dollars through phony listings, fake reviews and intimidation.
B
Yeah.
A
So considering Airbnb's lacks enforcement of its own policies, this is how they started to turn up. Because it's just like Uber and Lyft were like, yes, we are a company, but we're. Because this is just like niggas in their own cars picking you up or these are people's houses that you're staying in. It's a scam.
B
Yeah, yeah. It's like, wait, are you saying this is something I can't get on my own? You know what I mean? It's like they created a business out of something that you could just do on your own.
A
Right. Because now it's like, look, we put all the scammers in one place for you. Now we're hands off. That's all we need. May the buyer beware.
B
I wonder, tell me if this was a scam. Cause one time, so I did an Airbnb up in. It was in for Thanksgiving. I had, I rented a house and then I couldn't get in. I guess I didn't really get scared, but I was like, they had like a code to get the key this and so. But the code, the code is wrong. So I was out there for like a long time because I kept calling the person like I'm stuck out here, I can't get in the house. And I had. And he had to come in and break the key, break the lock open to get me in there. So I don't even know.
A
So he renting out properties that aren't his.
B
That's what it could. Cause I was like, it took him a long time and I'm like, first of all, how come you don't know the password? You should know the password to this lockbox. And I was out. But I was out there so long. Like you're saying I was under so much duress. Yeah, it was after. It was right around 8 o' clock too. I was real vulnerable.
A
Yes. You know what, it was nighttime. I'm guessing he probably heard your calls and was like, okay, I gotta wait till it's not too hot. I can't be breaking into my Airbnb.
B
Yeah. But we did have Thanksgiving in there. So at the very least if somebody would have came in, they would have been, you know, thankful that.
A
Right. I'm so thankful that you stole this apartment. I love it. Yeah, that sounds a little sketch. Lamar, anybody, anytime somebody gotta break you into they home, you know, we're looking out.
B
Appreciate that.
A
So basically they pop the address into the new Uber and they take off. But when the driver approached the drop off location, they noticed something odd. The exact address didn't exist. Great. You know when an address doesn't exist?
B
Yeah.
A
Fantastic.
B
Yeah. If it's not on the map. So it's like these numbers aren't on.
A
The map I'm sending. That's the address. Yeah. I'm sending you more of a vibe of where the house is.
B
That's like when you type it in the GPS and then it does this thing where the map just like turns into like a big ass road.
A
Right.
B
It's like, I don't know what this is. It just breaks the map. The gps.
A
Right. Like don't drop a pin to the location. Like tell like give me an address. Yeah, I love It. I truly love it. He's like. It's more of an essence. Like, you'll know when you get to the house. You'll feel it. You'll feel it. You'll know. You'll be like, mm, this is where we're staying.
B
You know what I mean? Exactly.
A
I can't explain it. So after walking up and down North Kenmore Avenue, they were able to find a guest house hidden in a back alley that had a keypad on the front door.
B
Keypad. Yeah.
A
So this is how, you know, they're desperate because they just kept walking up and down the street at this point. They're like, I don't know. The backyards. Yeah, yeah. Let's just go in other people's backyards.
B
I couldn't imagine what that must have been like. Just that feeling of like.
A
Yeah. And, you know, these are white people, because if these were black people, they wouldn't have shot on sight. You can't be walking around in no neighborhood back and forth, looking lost. As a black.
B
Yeah, yeah. I got too much melanin for that. Yeah. I don't know how you would get through that, going through a backyard like that.
A
Yeah, yeah, No, I would. There were absolutely. The cops would be called immediately, and.
B
They wouldn't believe the story either. They were like, well, you understand. They told me this address. Well, what's the address? I don't know.
A
I don't know the address. They told me it was a vibe. They told you the address was a vibe?
B
Yes, I.
A
That's what he said. We wasn't even supposed to be staying here. We was supposed to be staying at the other place, but the toilet burnt down and now we here. You know what I mean? Yeah, it doesn't even.
B
Exactly.
A
They would be in jail. You know what I mean? And then you would have a place to stay and bread and water.
B
Oh, yeah. That's a true Airbnb prison. Yeah.
A
So they get in the house, and the pantry has. I don't know why this is the first detail they give about the house, but they say the pantry has a single bottle pantry.
B
Oh, yeah. They are white.
A
They are white.
B
The first thing he's like, hey, let's go check out the pantry right away. All right.
A
So not the bedrooms. Not like any. Like. Like, what is the.
B
What's the first place you check when you go into an Airbnb?
A
The bedroom.
B
Yeah. Like, where am I gonna sleep?
A
Yeah, where am I gonna sleep? Especially if I'm going with other people. I have to Real Housewives it. And really? Make sure I Nini leaks it and get the best room.
B
I think the pantry's the last place I got.
A
Yeah, I'm not expecting anything to be in there when I'm.
B
There you go. They got fruit snacks in here, right?
A
They're looking for, like, fresh persimmons. Like, what do you think this is, bruh?
B
We gotta make sure the right snacks are here before we can.
A
So they go. The pantry housed a single bottle of soy sauce. Okay.
B
Oh, that is sketchy, though.
A
That is sketchy.
B
That's weird as fuck. Like, they took everything out.
A
Why is that the only thing in the pantry? It is weird.
B
You know, maybe we should be looking at the pantry first. Cause that would have told me right away to get the hell out of there.
A
What kind of people are living there?
B
Right, Right.
A
You're right about that. Cause if I open up and it's just soy sauce, I'm like, all these people order is Chinese takeout.
B
Was it a bottle of soy sauce or, like, packets? Cause that's. Packets is even scary.
A
Packets is even sketchier.
B
Yeah, yeah.
A
Cause then why you keeping them in the pantry?
B
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I understand why they would be in a pantry, but I don't understand why they would be the only thing left in a pantry.
A
It was just a bottle of soy sauce. And it was. And I guess it just doesn't get old, but it is a bottle.
B
Okay, great.
A
They said the couch looked nothing like the one in the photos. The bedrooms were filled with a large number of bizarrely arranged beds.
B
Wow.
A
Okay. The whole place felt grimy. And there was a hole punched in a wall. Ooh. Wow. The only decor was a giant wooden cross and a few pieces of generic Chicago themed artwork. And the dining room was, like, overstock.com bar stools that looks like they would turn to dust if you sat on them.
B
Wow. Man, this person's a really good writer.
A
I mean, she writes for Vice.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
Excellent writer. What's her name? Shout out to a queen. Ally Conti.
B
Oh, what's up, Conti? Ally Conti.
A
What's up? What's Ms. Conti?
B
I like your descriptive words.
A
You better give us these adjectives. Come on through.
B
Yeah. So Chicago. The artwork is interesting. I think I know they're referring to those paintings that are like. There's just, like, the skyline of Chicago. Yeah, yeah. That kind of basic shit.
A
But what's crazy is like. Like, why even make an attempt at decorating if it's already that bad?
B
Yeah. I mean, well, they. It's not much of a decoration. If that's how they. If they're just putting up skylines of things.
A
They were like, let's go to Ross, get a couple Chicago paintings on sale.
B
Them shits is probably like $10. I mean, I guess you could probably get them at the gas station.
A
Oh, yeah, you can get them at the gas station. You're right about that. See, I don't know, Lamar. You might be a scammer.
B
Maybe I am. I feel like I've become more scam, like through this podcast.
A
That's what we want to happen. That's the goal.
B
I'm gonna walk out of here and.
A
Scam somebody and start doing fraud. I love it. I'd love to see it. Robbery. I take off my bra as soon as I get in my car on the way home. I don't even wait till I get home. I'm at the red light, unstrapping them three little prongs because it hurts. Well, it did until I found out about Adore Me. Whether you're looking for a more cleavage or a more comfort look or both, Adore Me has you covered. Adormi offers tons of sizes with their new thoughtfully designed bras, panties, lingerie, shapewear, sleepwear, and swimwear for you to choose from each and every month. Elevate your underwear drawer with high quality sets that won't break the bank. What I really love about Adore Me is that they have this, like, cloud, like fabric. It's so soft, I don't take it off and have these like, y' all know those little dents that you get in your shoulders from the bra. I don't have those anymore because of Adore Me. They are adoring my body, and I am adoring it. And with style starting as low as 24.95, you can feel confident even if you're on a budget. Head to adore me.com right now to shop sty from comfort to sexy in over 67 sizes. The holidays are back at Starbucks, so share the season with a peppermint mocha. Starbucks signature espresso, velvety mocha and cool peppermint notes topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls together is the best place to be at Starbucks. There are some days where you need to look great as ever, but you need to do it in half the time for those days. There's Batiste, the number one dry shampoo brand in the U.S. like, there's been some days where I wrapped my hair up or it was straight or whatever. You know, it's getting a Little. A little greasy, honey. Look like I just ate some, you know, french fries and then rubbed all my edges off. So I love Batiste because really, when you put it in your hair, it gives you just that little bit of volume and, like, clean look that you need to go about your day. Because, listen, we're busy, okay? Capitalism is trying to kill us. We have to be everywhere, all the time, all at once. And that's why I love Batiste. You can instantly refresh your hair. It absorbs oil grease, so your hair looks and feels more clean with added volume and taste, texture. It's great on your hair and easy on your wallet. Okay, look, I have, like, textured hair. Like, it's like A4A4B black girlies. You know what I'm talking about? I never thought dry shampoo could be for us too. Buy Batiste dry shampoo online or in store at your nearest retailer at Fraud. So with the first day of my vacation basically gone, I decided to let the whole thing slide because, like, what do you do at that point? Like, you just need a roof over your head. You're not gonna be there long term.
B
Yeah. And they have been walking. So. Wait, so they didn't even call the guy? Call the person or. They don't have anything.
A
I said he couldn't be talking on the phone and that.
B
Cause he was at work.
A
He was at his employment. You know, the house that he works at making credit cards.
B
I'm at my employment right now.
A
I'm at my employment. Okay, can't talk.
B
I'm at my employment. God damn it.
A
A joke from Florida girl. I'm currently at my employment right now. Oh, God. That is how high my voice is on that show. Woo. God bless y'. All. Okay, so, okay, so they got a text from the man the next day who said that the plumbing at the original rental hadn't been fixed, but that new tenants were moving into our flop house the next day. So they weren't quite sure what to do, so they booked a hotel and decided to deal with getting a refund later. So.
B
Jesus.
A
You know what I think this man is doing now that I'm thinking about? This is a tight rotation. So you sign up to go to this nice place with all these pictures and shit, right? Either he's double booking it and he really owns this property, and he's just having, like, the first wave come in, and he'll be like, the toilet is fucked up, but still secure the bag and then put them in this, like, flop house.
B
Right, Right.
A
Or he Just keeps saying the rental's available. And then 10 minutes before people try to go, he says the toilet's broken. Then he rotates them to the flop house.
B
So may. Maybe the flop house is the only.
A
House that he got. And then he's just getting people in there for one night apiece, but they booking whole weekends, man.
B
That's smart.
A
Ooh, I'm like moaning.
B
Oh, this is good.
A
Oh, that's crazy, because that's what he's doing. Because that's how you gotta bounce out the next couple, right?
B
He's like, look. Cause nobody's gonna say, fuck it, I'm gonna stay here if the plumb is not working right? So everybody. He's almost guaranteed that they're gonna go to the other side.
A
But see, if he was fucking with me, though, I'd be like, that's cool. I'll shit outside. Give us the keys. I'll show the lawn.
B
Are you sure you wanna do that?
A
Yeah, I got Charmin. My hiney's clean. Okay, I'll shit outside.
B
He's like, but the flop house has a toilet.
A
No, no, no, no, no. I really like the views so much.
B
Anyway, I'm fucking a plumber, so. I know, right?
A
I tell him, look, I'm with the plumber that I'm fucking. He got a wrench?
B
Yeah, yeah. You guys are on. Staycation together. Come on, baby, let's get an Airbnb.
A
You know how hard it was to get his wrench through airport security? Okay. TSA was.
B
I love plumbers that carry their tools everywhere, like, through the airport.
A
Obviously, I've never met a plumber, because this is what I assume that they're doing.
B
Yeah, I wish I knew more plumbers. We don't know. I don't know any. I don't roll with no plumbers.
A
You don't roll with no plumbers?
B
I gotta. I think I. Back home, maybe back in Atlanta.
A
You gotta get you some homies with some vocational skills.
B
Yeah, all my homies are creative. They're too. Yeah. We ain't got no skills.
A
Yeah. It's the car breakdown.
B
They know how to recite a poem, but. Yeah, not gonna. Somebody else changed the tire.
A
I know how to recite a poem.
B
I have to get some more. Yeah. Some more labor.
A
That's not gonna happen.
B
Blue collar homies.
A
Yeah. Right. So the last time that they heard from Becky and Andrew, which is the name of the Airbnb host, they sent a strange message on Airbnb asking that I give them no less than a five star Review since Airbnb had changed its algorithm and communicate all concerns privately. So now they're like, hey, we know we didn't let you stay in the place that we told you we have for you that doesn't exist. Then we sent you to the hood to search for a place that murderers live in. Then we kicked you out. Yeah, but go in and get that.
B
Five stars so they can keep the Sam scam going, right? Man, that's real crazy. So what did they do? What happened next?
A
So on Airbnb, they're listening.
B
I'm edging my seat.
A
There's this intimidation.
B
What happened after that?
A
There's this intimidation factor. And I recently dealt with this when I threw my birthday party. I did rent an Airbnb out, but I rented one out that was four parties. Like a mansion, four parties. It specifically said that they did parties and music video shoots.
B
Yeah, I was trying to go to that.
A
Oh, my God. He started running it like the club. He had a gate clicker. He was at my party the entire time. He was drinking my food. He was eating. He was using the photo booth. It was crazy. It was in a creepy. It was just like, a creepy white man. And he was taking pictures of me the whole time and all my friends. Obviously, we're in an entertainment industry, so so many people were there who are on TV or working, you know, movie, television, film. He's taking unsolicited photos of them. Just imagine a party of just, like, a lot of cool Hollywood young people and this really old white man skulking around.
B
He probably was trying to kick it. He's probably like, this is my way to live.
A
I was trying to be welcoming because we definitely were over the guest quota, even though we were quiet and everyone was really just having a good time. But he was, like, really being stingy with how he would let people in and out of the house. So I was just trying to keep him happy. And he was so creepy and so racist. We had a food truck. The neighbors were like, that smells ethnic. Like, literally texted him and said that it smelled ethnic. They had not cooked anything yet. It was.
B
That's crazy. How could you say that in L. A?
A
Like, because, you know, it was like, it's the hills. So it's, like, racist. Like, old school white people. And I could tell that they didn't even like that he would do these Airbnb functions because they're all old and just, like, want the neighborhood to stay quiet and white.
B
Right?
A
And he over here bringing in, you know, Negroes every other Thursday. And they're probably mad about it. Yeah. But it was crazy. But he intimidated me, basically, being like, you had too many people here. If you give me a negative review, I'll give you a really negative review. And, like, I like, please write a review. I'm like, be kind about it. He was like, otherwise, I'm gonna charge you more money for the extra people that you had. And I had tried to offer to pay him more money. Cause I knew more people were coming. He wouldn't even take it.
B
But Silsi is crazy if the premise. You know, he does parties here.
A
Yeah.
B
So it's like he. I mean, of course he knows it's gonna be more people coming. Like, he probably just was like, I.
A
Didn'T even know he was gonna be there.
B
He's probably like, I'm gonna stay here and see if a lot of people come in and charge us.
A
Well, he kept acting like he didn't live there. This nigga lived in the house. House. That was one of those situations where you get there, you think you're going to get the place. And, like, he lives there and is currently living there. He had been smoking cigarettes all through the house. I did a walk once.
B
It was clean.
A
Then when I came back, he never been. It was like he was lighting cigarettes.
B
Like, he's like a bad roommate or he's like a bad stepdad. It's like this stepdad living there. Ruin everything.
A
Ruin everything of my hot.
B
He's in the photo booth.
A
He was in the photo booth. And you know, people are in swimsuits. It's the Fourth of July. He taking pictures of my hot stuff. I'm like, they're like, who is this man? Lacey.
B
Yeah. Also. Yeah. How come he doesn't have any Fourth of July plans either?
A
Creep on creep. But, yeah, he intimidated me into. I just never even wrote a review because I was so upset about it. I couldn't revisit it. But he wrote kind of like a weird review about me. So it is a thing of, like, you're forced. Like, basically, Airbnbs have better reviews than hotels and TripAdvisor. Just because people are so afraid that if you tank my rating, I'll tank yours and vice versa. And then I can. I can't rent at another place. It's like Uber. I give, like, every Uber five stars. Even if, like, one time I gave an uber 3 stars. Cause he smelled really bad. He smelled so fucking bad that I was like, I can't give you five stars. And then I put car smell that Was a thing you could put.
B
What did he say?
A
It was a preset button.
B
Oh, oh, oh. It was like, this is the problem.
A
It was like, why are you giving three stars? And then it was like, is it car smell? And I was like, why? Yes.
B
Wow. So you're right, though. It's kind of like it cancels itself out because. Cause it's like, I don't wanna get a bad. No one's gonna pick me up. And you give and it's like, it is a double. Like, no one's being honest, so. Right.
A
And I had to learn, like, I tip sometimes. Like, if they do a really good job or if they break a certain amount of traffic laws. Like, I had a Uber driver recently drive through a parking lot to avoid going through a light. And I was like, my nigga. And so I tipped him. Cause I was like, I would've did the same thing. I would've drove to this parking lot. You know what I mean?
B
I don't. I always wonder when an Uber driver does that if they're like thinking in their head, like, I wonder if this person's gonna be cool with this. Cause I'm gonna do some crazy shit.
A
Some wild. I love it, cuz.
B
I. Yeah, I'll be like, cool. Like, hell yeah, let's do it. But then, you know, the wrong person might be like, I know, but I.
A
Moved from New York, so I'm used to the cabs just being illegal. I had a cab driver once. Like, we smoked weed with him in the cab.
B
That's nice. So the. You know what I was thinking? So I. So you're. At least they let you do the party. Cause when I try to do a party like that. And then. But I would tell them in the email that I was trying to do a party at the house and I would never get a receipt. I felt like they were being racist. Like, they wouldn't let me.
A
That's another big thing about Airbnb is like, they have kind of this insulation of racism, especially when it comes to black guests. Yeah, a lot of times if I'm going with a group, I'll have like the white person book the Airbnb. Or I'll like change my profile photo to like a white woman. Or like, it's gonna get harder now the more that I start working entertainment. But I've really been trying to pretend that I was white a lot.
B
You just gotta put Paul F. Tompkins out there. Damn.
A
Paul Fomkins might be getting too close to black people. They'll be like, I don't know about Paul. He might bring some negro.
B
I love it. Paul just became like, it put his service out there. It's like, if you need to get a Airbnb, I'll do it for you. And then he got in trouble for doing it so much. They were like, no. That motherfucker always bringing black people everywhere.
A
Called White Faith.
B
He's like, tate, do you need a white person? I told you you could represent the black community. And he's.
A
I did. Yeah.
B
Lacy did.
A
Yes. I love you, Paul, so much, Paul, today. But, yeah, so I understand this. We've completely, like, diverged off of this, but back to it. So when I asked about the status of my refund, they ghosted. Makes sense. Like, you're asking for money, they are not gonna give it to you. Which led to me contacting Airbnb. Though I had moved to the flop house and was told to leave early, Airbnb only refunded me $399 of my $1,221 bill, and only after I badgered a number of case managers over the course of several days. Unable to shake the sense that there was more of a run out of the mill host kind of incident, I started to look into the red flags that I might have missed. So when she starts looking into it, she's like. Some of the positive reviews on Becky and Andrew's Chicago rental seemed odd, especially those left by other pairs of hosts, like Kelsey and Jean, for example. They said Becky and Andrew, which Becky just is not anybody's real name. I mean, your name is Rebecca, but, like, Becky is fake. Like I said. What do I say, guys? Every Matthew is a scam. Every Becky is also a scam. Add Becky to the list of scam names.
B
That's good to know.
A
So Becky and Andrew were awesome and communicative guests. They say Gene. Gene and Kelsey.
B
Yeah.
A
Say that they stayed with Becky and Andrew.
B
Right.
A
But Gene and Kelsey own two properties in Chicago as well.
B
Yeah.
A
Basically meaning that they went on a staycation up the street to Becky and Andrews.
B
Yeah.
A
Why? That don't make sense if you have your own Airbnb.
B
It was Chicago Art in the Floppy House. So maybe. Maybe things are coming together. Is that a coincidence? Like, we better get Chicago Arts.
A
We all live in Chicago, but we write reviews on other Chicago properties. That's mad weird. Like, I'm not going to do a staycation at an Airbnb in Chicago if I have Airbnbs in Chicago. Unless, like, it's like la. Like, if you have a mansion and I'm doing something special. But these are just regular houses, right? Yeah. So that's already kind of weird. Even stranger, Kelsey and Jean's photo also had been cribbed from a travel site. And the language that they used to describe their home, West Loop, Six bed Getaway. Walk the city seemed familiar to that of Becky and Andrew, which was six bed downtown Wicker Park. Walk the city. The language is a little close. It wasn't long before I found what looked like an awful lot like the apartment that I originally had booked with Becky and Andrew, the one on Northwood street, listed by Kelsey and Jean as well. There was no mistaking it. The couch, coffee table, dining room set, even the Chicago gas station wall, all the same.
B
Yeah. Wow.
A
So she said. I started to wonder, wow, right? Wow. So this is like a network of people who are doing this, and they're all running it from one business account.
B
Damn. We gotta take em down.
A
Right? So the.
B
I don't know. Right?
A
Do we? Look, Airbnb ain't taking them down. Airbnb has not said anything. They're about to go public. They were like, bitch, we don't have time for this. We try to sell these shares.
B
Yeah.
A
Airbnb, we try to sell these shares of other people's homes that we connect people to. Yeah.
B
Like, what is their business? They're just. What are they?
A
They're just a middleman.
B
Yeah, they're just like. They're basically like. Like we were described earlier, like, I don't have a house, but I'm gonna take you to another house.
A
Right.
B
They're literally just this person.
A
The guy who broke into that house to give you the key is literally what Airbnb was.
B
Airbnb was.
A
Yeah.
B
So I guess I didn't get scammed.
A
No, that's literally what Airbnb does. And it's crazy because if you. You use Airbnb, you know that if you try to contact the seller directly, like, Airbnb don't play that shit. Like, if you type in the email, Airbnb will snatch the. It'll like, bleep out the email address.
B
Oh, wow. Yeah.
A
You can't type in an email because then, like, they have a system that'll. That can tell if you've typed in any kind of contact info and then they bleep that shit out because they're like, no, you have to communicate on our website. You have, like. Because they don't want you cutting out their fees and everything just because you've connected with the People, Which I thought was wild. And I was like, is there a way for me to get around this? Like, can I type something? Put my number in between each word. Like, two. What's up, y'? All? I really like this place. Five, if y'. All, like. Like, there has to be a way around this.
B
Wow. That's wild.
A
That's what my brain goes to. But, yeah. So Airbnb is just a fucking middleman. So it seems as if, like, one person or group had created numerous phony accounts to run a much larger Airbnb operation. If that proved tr. Whoever ran the five accounts I'd located was controlling at least 94 properties in eight different cities.
B
Wow. 90.
A
Yeah.
B
Damn. That's like, they probably really making some money then. Yeah, they probably making a lot of.
A
Money and probably very busy. When he was like. When she was like, can I talk to you on the phone? And he was like, I'm at my employment. Like, he's like, I'm scamming other people right now. Okay. I don't have time to talk to the phone.
B
I have 890 property. Yeah, it's like, I'm scamming. I'm too busy to help with the scam I'm doing currently because I got so many scams.
A
Cause I'm running so many scams. This is a business.
B
It's an employment.
A
He was like, look, I have people about to show up to the place that I told you ain't working right now. So I gotta go let them down.
B
Do you? So is it better to just go to a hotel? Is that what I should do?
A
I think so. You can actually get discounts and upgrades. You don't have to worry about there being a woman there. A cat, three rats. Someone who breaks you into the Airbnb.
B
Yeah, that's true. There's no point.
A
An elusive bottle of soy sauce, a hole punched in a wall.
B
You know, it'd be crazy if I go to a hotel. Cause I'm going out of town next month, and if there's like a bottle of soy sauce there sitting there, I'm gonna probably freak out.
A
It's like, that's the new get out.
B
Yeah, yeah. Be like, no. But yeah, I'm gonna stick to hotels. I like hotels.
A
I do, too. I mean, look, everything's gross, but I feel like a hotel. At least, you know, someone is, like, competently cleaning it and everything. Like, Airbnb have cleaning services, but it just doesn't feel as legitimate. At least at a hotel, they have rules. They have a structured way that they clean things, there's like, a routine.
B
Yeah. Like, someone's checking, like, and they really be trying to clean. Because when I be in hotels, they be like. Even when I don't want them to come in, they're constantly trying to come in and clean.
A
Oh, yeah.
B
So they. You know, they at least trying to where the Airbnb. It's like, they'll clean when you're done.
A
Yeah. No, the housekeeping is like, yeah, they'll.
B
Wake your ass up. Like, stop. Stop it.
A
Hello? No, we good. We good. I had one just come in, and we was naked. It's like. And we didn't say nothing. So we thought if we didn't say nothing, she was gonna go away.
B
No, that's their cue to come in. They're like, well, nobody's in here. Oh, my God.
A
Naked girl. I know you gotta do your rounds, but shit.
B
Oh, man.
A
So this story continues. There's so many instances of, like, creepy, like, people who she contacted who were like, I had the same situation happen to me. Like, I came to the place. It wasn't how it was advertised advertised. It was creepy and dirty, and the furniture looked like it had been picked up off the street. The couches were tattered and burned by cigarettes.
B
Oh, my gosh.
A
That killed me.
B
This image is killing me.
A
I'm smoking a cigarette on the couch and putting it out on the couch. You are a wild motherfucker. You're more wild than shit.
B
My mom would kill me. She won't even let me eat on the couch. Like, eat around it, right?
A
Eat around it. Not in the vicinity, the general area. I can't look at the couch while I'm eating. You know what I mean? For fear. But that's. That's. I just want to know the type of motherfucker who's out here putting cigarette butts out on a couch. Because that is just.
B
It's a certain type of person. I feel like I know that person.
A
You feel like you know that person?
B
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I cut those. I cut that person out of my life. You cut off. No more.
A
I'm very glad that you cut this person out of your life, Lamar, because if I found. If I saw you with a man who was smoking cigarettes and putting them out on furniture, I'd be concerned.
B
One day I'm gonna run into him. I'm gonna be like, how's it going? And he's gonna say, I quit smoking. And then we'll be friends again, maybe.
A
So this is just a very long article about how she continues to find people who have been a part of the scam. Airbnb is kind of at this like standstill where they're refusing to do anything about it. She thinks that the scam is actually coming from a place called, called Abbott Pacific. And so she had contacted Abbott Pacific to see like. Cause it basically was an upscale corporate rental company, but then some people were taking tours of it and all of the rentals were really like rundown properties that were at the same address that he had listed that the upscale properties were at. So she starts to think that she's onto the guy. Right. She goes, I repeatedly tried to reach out to him on his cell phone to no avail. So I decided to call Abbot company. He ran. According to LinkedIn, the company's website only listed a Google number, which I called repeatedly. And on a Wednesday in October, before leaving a voicemail explaining that I needed to speak with Joel. The next day, I emailed Joel on his personal Gmail. She is, listen, the petty levels here, this is peak petty. This is. She has taken on a full time job.
B
Yeah, that's her employment now she's doing it.
A
It's just 12 cups of coffee a day. She's picked up a smoking habit. She's like got so many papers and she's driving around like a Chevelle.
B
Yeah. Her car is filled with paperwork.
A
For some reason. She lives in la, but everywhere you.
B
Find a parking spot.
A
Right. She lives in la, but everywhere she goes, it's gray, cold and rainy. I don't know how. Just in her car, you know what I mean? Like, she's an intense.
B
She's really doing it. I'm really impressed. I could never do any. I could never.
A
So she emails him and she says, the man starts to pepper me with questions about this piece. So he goes, I googled you very briefly and it seems like you write generally negative things. So I'm trying to figure out how I can help. So now he's like, girl, I see you out here.
B
Yeah. Is there any chance that the company could. This someone could be doing this under the company and the company not knowing know, or is it you think it goes all the way to the top.
A
But like a good scammer knows how to figure that out. So I don't know if it's just him. It says he runs this company, this llc. I mean, I have an llc. It's very easy to get an llc. Yeah. So he very well could just be running this. That's true.
B
Yeah.
A
So recently the FBI has reached out to our girl Allie. That's her name, right? Ally. Yeah. So the FBI has reached out to her about these scales, but she has yet to hear anything from Airbnb at this point.
B
Wow.
A
So after reaching out to Airbnb several times and really not getting any help, like, she still in contact with this guy. She offered to email him links to the Airbnb accounts that he was. She was referring to that she thought were fraudulent. But he never gave her an email address saying that he had a pad and pen to take them down, which would presumably be first in human history. Like, who has ever written down a website? He's like, no, I got a pad and pen, paper. Okay, what's the website? Www.wait. the forward slash. Two forward slashes.
B
And you gotta mess up, and you.
A
Gotta make sure you have an eraser.com/.QRT110J2. Bungalow apartment. Like, what? No one's writing this down? So then she says, oh, and I should tell you, this happened to me. Several seconds of silence pass before the man responds. This makes more sense now. After hanging up, I messaged Chris and Becky's account, the fake one, and asked for Joelle to call me because I was writing an article. It was around 3pm in New York City. Hi, Ali. Think you might be mistaken. They wrote back four hours later. Are you looking to book the home? Question.
B
Don't tell me.
A
I already ran this scam on her.
B
I know. That's funny. That's how you know. Because, yeah, they're in such scam mode that they're like. It's, like, almost in a loop. Like, they just can't not be scamming.
A
Also, I feel like that it must be Joel, because nobody responds to a question that they don't know the answer to. Like, I think you might be mistaken, right? I think I would just be. Like, who is Joel?
B
Like, yeah, like, yeah, I think you might be mistaken.
A
Joel was sitting over there typing. Like, what's gonna make it sound like this is not me?
B
It probably take 20 minutes to figure that out. All right, I'm gonna say, he might be mistaken. And then. Then that's good. Say that. Say that.
A
Okay. All right. And then I'm gonna say, do. Are you looking to book the home? Because we legitimately are homes.
B
Like, anybody legit will call it a home. They wouldn't call it a home.
A
Okay, I'm typing it right now.
B
A room.
A
So the man who called himself Patrick never got back to her. So Joel is going by so many different names, right? Never got back to me with more information about the disconnect. Or put me in touch with Joel as he said he would. I again emailed. Basically, this goes on, and eventually she goes onto the website, the Pacific llc, and it's gone.
B
Wow. So. So she's probably scared him. And then they took it down. Right?
A
Right. They were like, we gotta start deleting our paper trails. We are too easily.
B
First stop, website. Get rid of. That's the first thing we take it.
A
Why do we even have a website for our scam company? That was stupid. You told me we needed outreach. You said that social media was the future. Yeah, not for us, but we don't need that.
B
If it was real, if this was a real company, then we wouldn't need a website.
A
This is crazy. So, I mean, this is still a developing story, so if there's an update, we'll give you one. But the FBI is looking into this now and so fascinated to see.
B
Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens.
A
But shout out to Ali for being just petty and hella thorough.
B
Ali was keeping it real thorough.
A
Thirsty. But the truth.
B
Attention to detail. That's my biggest weakness. Like when I was getting at my job and they did a review on me, they were like, you're good at a lot of things, but you don't have good attention to detail.
A
You turned everything half finished.
B
Like Lamar.
A
There's coffee all over this.
B
I don't have attention to detail, but Ali did.
A
But. All right, guys, that brings us to the end of this episode. I always ask people, where do you want to be found? Not where can people find you. Cause I don't want people pulling up on you. And unless you can send oh, I.
B
Just want to be found on. You can find me on the movie and show. Just watch my movie. It's a party on Showtime.
A
Yes.
B
And then you'll see me watch.
A
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Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Lamar Woods
This episode of Scam Goddess dives into the world of rental fraud, specifically focusing on the notorious "Airbnb Bamboozler" scam. Comedian, writer, and frequent scam victim Lamar Woods joins Laci Mosley to swap personal scam stories, unpack viral wedding con drama, and break down a large-scale Airbnb fraud that scammed travelers out of thousands using fake listings, intimidation, and deceptive reviews. The tone is hilarious, candid, and unflinchingly honest, with both hosts riffing on their own scam run-ins, frustrations with peer-to-peer rental culture, and the pitfalls of trusting strangers online.
(03:07–10:00)
Lamar's Mark Energy: Lamar admits to being “a mark” and describes himself as “too trusting,” sharing stories of falling prey to pyramid schemes and suspicious "credit card company" house meetings in his youth.
Craigslist “Jobs”: Lamar recounts moving to L.A. and finding sketchy demo-product jobs through ads labeled as “marketing.”
Susceptibility Admission: Laci warns Lamar that “a lot of scammers” listen to Scam Goddess and offers to be his scam-check hotline.
(10:00–24:00)
Fabricated Viral Scams: Laci exposes how viral posts (especially wedding cancellation stories with dubious fund requests) are often fabricated for site traffic and clicks.
The $30,000 Wedding Fund Scheme: They dissect a viral post where a bride cancels her wedding but keeps $30K in donations for a “honeymoon,” requesting more gifts and hinting at further money needs as emotional manipulation and possible fraud.
Crowdfund Ethics: They riff on how GoFundMe has made it easier (and sometimes too easy) to ask for cash, and how the emotional hooks of weddings ("I was supposed to come get a meal, get drunk, find a new love interest…") make people feel doubly cheated when scammed.
Lamar admits to forgetting to contribute to a friend's honeymoon fund, roasted by Laci for spending on car upgrades instead.
(24:00–65:35)
Personal Nightmares: Lamar and Laci share rough Airbnb stays (Brooklyn apartments with rats and hairless cats, misleading listings, and intrusive hosts).
Bait and Switch Tactics: Many hosts falsely advertise properties, then, last minute, claim “plumbing problems” and shunt guests to a different, often dilapidated, location.
The Vice Exposé: Laci recounts a Vice journalist’s investigation into dozens of near-identical scam listings in 8 cities, run by a network using fake photos, staged reviews, and rotating guests through a single decaying “flop house.”
Host Pressure and Review Intimidation:
Fake Guest Profiles & Reviews: The scam network employed hosts with obviously fake names (notably “Becky”), cribbed photos from travel sites, and wrote reviews for each other’s properties to boost legitimacy.
Refusal to Refund and Corporate Accountability:
Practical Advice:
The episode is hilarious, in-your-face, and peppered with classic Scam Goddess energy—candid, spicy, and deeply relevant commentary about trust, identity, and the risks of the gig economy. Laci and Lamar skillfully balance levity with moments of real insight about systemic issues in fraud, technology, and race. The audience is left both entertained and wary—armed with laughter and a warning: Stay scheming, but beware those five-star “homes.”
Where to Find the Guests:
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