Fraud Friday: The Bluffing Bombers w/ Sydnee Washington

Summary

Scam Goddess – Fraud Friday: The Bluffing Bombers w/ Sydnee Washington

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Sydnee Washington
Date: February 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess explores one of the most explosive (literally) and sloppy fraud capers in recent U.S. history: the 2012 Richmond Hill explosion in Indianapolis, Indiana. Host Laci Mosley is joined by comedian Sydnee Washington in a laugh-out-loud retelling of the desperate, tragic, and poorly-executed insurance arson plot behind "The Bluffing Bombers." The duo breaks down the scam, its cast of characters, and why some people just aren't cut out for the criminal life—all through a lens of biting wit and signature irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Banter: LA Scams & Hollywood Trickery

(02:06 – 10:30)

• Sydnee shares a “Hollywood scam” story about shooting a short film, “getting paid in exposure,” and having complicated feelings after an on-screen romance.
• The duo mock LA’s culture of “exposure = compensation” and flirtatious professionalism on-set.
• Discussion about boundaries in open relationships, chemistry with co-stars, and the difference between LA and New York social norms.
• Quote:
  • “Getting paid in exposure is LA's biggest scam.” (Laci, 02:48)
  • “Will and Jada are rich. I'm so tired of, like, broke people talking about open—...If your thread count is like 500, it don't make no sense.” (Sydnee, 03:47)

2. On-Set Scams & Interpersonal Schemes

(10:30 – 14:51)

• Sydnee laments how method acting and blurred boundaries can trick people into thinking there’s off-set chemistry, which Laci dubs “an on-set scam.”
• In Hollywood, people are extra nice to avoid retaliation, a “scam to get ahead.”
• Quote:
  • "As a good scam artist, you gotta keep your relationships tight, but also far enough away that they don't know who you really are." (Laci, 11:22)

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3. Historic Hoodwinks: The Richmond Hill Explosion

(14:51 – 55:10)

The Setup

(15:46 – 16:35)

• In 2012, an explosion in Indianapolis leaves two dead, multiple injured, and $4 million in property damage.
• Focus: Monserrat Shirley and boyfriend Mark Leonard convicted for arson and felony murder.

The Scammer’s Playbook

(16:35 – 21:10)

• Shirley and Leonard claim to spend the weekend at a casino while conveniently boarding pets and arranging childcare.
• They are sloppy—asking neighbors about gas lines, using a white van, and blatantly removing personal belongings before the explosion.
• Quote:
  • “You don’t pull up to the front door if you’re trying to do a scam.” (Laci, 20:48)
  • "If the building is old, yes... But if it's renovated really nice, I always look sideways—this might be a setup." (Sydnee, 15:59)

The Crime Scene

(21:10 – 24:16)

• Investigators quickly note the oddly timed insurance increase and “no casualties at home” (pets and child are out, but next-door neighbors die).
• Shirley’s daughter and cat survive—guest and host joke about how this makes the scam obvious to investigators.
• Quote:
  • “White people love animals. If your cat died, they would have been like, 'Oh my God, this is a real tragedy.’” (Laci, 23:09)

The Giveaways

(24:16 – 28:25)

• Mark brags to associates about plans with the insurance money (“buying a Ferrari”) and how the explosion will go down.
• Quote:
  • “Any type of scam...somebody's gonna run their mouth. Nobody is gonna keep those lips closed because they just can't.” (Sydnee, 24:16)
• They discuss how even minor criminals get caught bragging (e.g., insider trading at the office).

The Scam Backstory

(28:25 – 35:16)

• Mark Leonard has a history of smaller scams: car insurance fraud (“swoop and squat”), conning women on dating sites.
• Discussion about the gendered dynamics of “romance scams”; jokes that Leonard must have had irresistible "pipe" for women to give him thousands.

The Family Business & Betrayals

(35:16 – 39:51)

• Mark ropes in his brother and other acquaintances, all of whom eventually turn on each other to save themselves when caught.
• Laci and Sydnee agree: family is unreliable when it comes to snitching.
• Shirley rolls over on Mark for a lighter sentence.

The Investigation & Trial

(41:51 – 48:56)

• The scam was so basic, everyone saw it coming; the main conspirators had every red flag: insurance increases, new mortgages, visible removals of property, and bad cover stories.
• The trial becomes notable for using three separate juries—a tactic only previously seen with the Menendez brothers.
• Memorable moment: Laci and Sydnee analyze mugshots and speculate on the regional standards of attractiveness (“He’s an Indianapolis 7,” Laci, 45:09).

Fallout & Sentencing

(48:56 – 55:10)

• Almost all involved are convicted on multiple counts; Shirley claims coercion and “dickmatization” as her defense.
• Shirley's own daughter testifies against her—prompting jokes that not leaving the daughter in the house was their biggest mistake.

The Final “Scam”

(49:27 – 55:10)

• Mark Leonard dies only three years into his sentence—Laci and Sydnee joke about “willing yourself to die” in jail as the ultimate exit scam.
• Quote:
  • “You thought I was going to do these 70 years like a real scammer? He died. He said, ‘Boy, you see this hairline? I'm not doing. I am not going bald in this bitch. I'm out.’” (Laci, 49:56)

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4. Scammer of the Week: Shaniqua Jordan, Fashion Blogger

(53:00 – 55:10)

• The hosts highlight Instagram fashion blogger “Simplicity x Style” for allegedly scamming a Connecticut woman out of $50,000.
• Jokes on how ‘gram influencers manage their expensive lifestyles and whether all of them are hiding a scam.
• Quote:
  • “Scams are hard work. They're depleting. They're exhausting. And also, you have to stay ahead of the game.” (Laci, 54:52)

5. The Nature of Scams & Emotional Vulnerability

(55:10 – 57:14)

• Laci observes that to be scammed, the victim often must want to be scammed—a dynamic explored both in the con and in Sydnee’s on-set story.
• Memorable callback to Andy King and “sucking dick for water” at FYRE Fest as the ultimate “despo-meter” joke.
• “You can't just scam anybody. You have to scam someone who's kind of willing to be scammed a little bit. It's that hope.” (Laci, 56:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[Exposure pay]... It’s gonna be broken down to the most broken down, broken downness.” (Sydnee, 02:57)
• “If you really want to commit crimes, you should go to the library. Ain’t nobody can check your search history. Book looks still got info.” (Laci, 17:54)
• “A van is like a crime vehicle. Yeah, like, we know you doing crimes. A van and also a Prius.” (Laci, 19:14)
• “Shout out to Mark Leonard—a king. He died as he lived.” (Laci, 51:50)
• “You scam with your blood relatives—probably the most trustworthy... No, fuck family, family be the first one to throw you under the...” (Sydnee, 34:40-34:47)
• “You know what, Illuminati. Naughty, naughty. He called on the powers of his dick.” (Laci, 52:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:06 – Sydnee’s LA on-set “exposure pay” scam story
• 14:51 – Historic Hoodwinks segment introduction
• 15:46 – Richmond Hill arson caper setup
• 20:42 – The van and nosy neighbors
• 24:16 – Mark’s braggadocio, the downfall of many scammers
• 29:15 – “Swoop and squat” car insurance fraud explained
• 35:16 – Family snitching and betrayals
• 41:51 – Multiple trials and Menendez connection
• 49:27 – Mark Leonard's early death: “the ultimate scam”
• 53:00 – Scammer of the Week: Shaniqua Jordan
• 55:10 – Why victims "want" to be scammed; psychological angle
• 56:33 – FYRE Fest Andy King “suck dick for water” callback

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Final Thoughts

With humor and a keen eye for the absurd, Laci and Sydnee illuminate how greed, overconfidence, and basic errors trip up even “career scammers.” They highlight the blurred lines between criminality, desperation, and emotional vulnerability, pointing out that even petty LA “exposure” gigs and influencer culture operate with similar dynamics. Their running jokes, honest skepticism, and chemistry make this episode a fast-paced, insightful romp through the anatomy of a truly bad scam.

As always: Stay schemin’!

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[Sydney Washington]

Hey.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Sydney Washington]

You catching me right before I go back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally, she has a suitcase in the studio. Guys, this is the most Hollywood experience I've been run. Love it. Wait, so Sid, like, what's your relationship with scams? We kind of just talked about a light scam that someone.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay, so we're just gonna get right into it real quick, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Deep dive real high.

[Sydney Washington]

You know, I'm in la, we're shooting a short film.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hello. Booked.

[Sydney Washington]

Busy. Broke.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Coins? No. Book.

[Sydney Washington]

Busy. Broke. Anyway, this is a short film doing pro bono work. Anyway, I have a role where I have a girlfriend and in real life I have a girlfriend. So boom. Like this is nothing. This is my day to day.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you was going method.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, all day.

[Lacey Mosley]

So great. Also getting paid in exposure is LA's biggest scam.

[Sydney Washington]

See, there you go, breaking it down one more time.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're not gonna give you money, but we gonna give you exposure.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, my God. It's gonna be broken down to the most broken down, broken downness. So the person that is my girlfriend on the short film is gorgeous, stunning, like, not my type, but just like butch and hot and just. I was. I was blown away and I was not ready.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Sydney Washington]

I was not ready. I was. I saw a photo and I was like, okay. But then in real life, I was like, oh, it's gonna be a problem.

[Lacey Mosley]

But then your body was ready. Your body was like, we're ready.

[Sydney Washington]

I just want everybody to know, the listeners to know that I'm in a whole relationship that's also very open. So this is not my sty. Like, I don't just give out emotions. I don't feel feelings for people. I'm not. The physicality is not there usually.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but I thought, like, in an open relationship, it's like you fucking other people. It's like Will and Jada, like you fucking other people. But then you give all the emotions to the person you're in the relationship with.

[Sydney Washington]

Will and Jada are rich. I'm so tired of, like, broke people talking about open. You cannot be open relationship. If your thread count is like 500, it don't make no sense.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can only be open on the gypsy guy. Yeah, that makes sense, though, because I said, like, I'm not doing no threesomes unless you r. I would be fucking. And I'd be like, oh, my God, is this polyester? Am I fucking on rayon right now with this couple?

[Sydney Washington]

No paper mache. Honey, you need to be so rich. Yeah, so I don't. I say. When I say open, I say, I know that I'm lacking in certain things, so I need to let her have a hot girl summer and do what she does and be an adult about it. Back to the short film. So we're supposed to be kissing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Sydney Washington]

No tongue or anything, but we're obviously.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did y' all talk about the case beforehand?

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, yeah. She said, I don't want it to be weird or whatever. I was like, no, no. It's like a kiss. We. We had chemistry as soon as we saw each other, I was like, oh, this is going to be a piece of cake. Seven hours later, I'm in the back of my head like, oh, we're going to have an affair. That's what's happening. Because I'm just like, this is not just.

[Lacey Mosley]

What was she doing to, like, make it seem like. It was like, more.

[Sydney Washington]

She was literally acting the whole time. It's my fault. I'm stupid. I'm going into a situation where it's like, okay, we are pretend. We're pretending. I put my guard down and I was like, nobody could pretend with me. Like, look at me.

[Lacey Mosley]

You was doing an Angelita Brad Pitt.

[Sydney Washington]

Like, yes, Mr. And Mrs. Smith. I was like, there's no way you can just not be attracted to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how I feel.

[Sydney Washington]

But she sag and whatnot, so she's probably just like, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

What?

[Sydney Washington]

I do this in my sleep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but, like, that's. I've been on sets with people that I've had to kiss, and I wasn't, like, flirting with them extra hard in between takes. Yo, I was on a. I was on a set with this guy and he had a big fucking ego. We didn't talk about the kiss beforehand, which you're always supposed to do. And he kissed me.

[Sydney Washington]

He put his tongue in my mouth.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was so mad.

[Sydney Washington]

That didn't happen.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wanted to fight him.

[Sydney Washington]

That didn't happen, really. And honestly, looking back at it, it's like I was the unprofessional one, sis.

[Lacey Mosley]

She.

[Sydney Washington]

It was clear up top. I am acting, but also I'm hot. So it's not like she's not gonna have a hard time pretending to be attracted to me, but when it was over, it was over.

[Lacey Mosley]

And when that happened, when did that happen?

[Sydney Washington]

Literally when it was like, that's a wrap. It's a wrap.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, so as soon as they say cut. Yeah, she stopped being nice all of the.

[Sydney Washington]

You know when you see a battery full and then it's all the way drained? There was nothing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I get that. That's like kind of a Hollywood thing. Like, you want to be nice to people.

[Sydney Washington]

I fucking hate la.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I flirt, though. I'm nice to people, but I'm not making them think that, like, I like them.

[Sydney Washington]

I mean, it could just be. I'm thinking in the back of my head, like, maybe it's just me. Like, I'm. I got open and I took it to that next level. But that's why I am never breaking up with my girlfriend. We're getting married. Because I never want to feel this feeling of rejection just being out in this hot girl summer bullshit. Fuck you. I want to be. What do you call it? I want consistent girl summer. That's what I want.

[Lacey Mosley]

Consistent girl summer.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah. I want. Oh, I know you Gonna be there Girl Summer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, bruh. No, I'm into hot girl summer.

[Sydney Washington]

Literally, I got scammed by being on set with niggas who working. And I'm thinking, oh, this is for play.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she was working it a little bit. I don't think that that's all on you. Cause that's extra. She was doing a lot. That's Hollywood, though.

[Sydney Washington]

Why, though? Why. Why do they do that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Because in Hollywood, it's like, you want to be liked by everybody because you don't want somebody to retaliate against you or you don't want to miss words.

[Sydney Washington]

This person is not like that. She's very, like, black militant. Like, white people could burn in a fire type.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you're black. We both black guys. We're both black.

[Sydney Washington]

But I'm more of a. Oh, I do like everybody. I'm a personable individual. I'm a people's person.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Sydney Washington]

So. But this, she. I don't think she's necessarily like that. I think she be with the people she want to be with and that's it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you felt special because she was flirting with you? Because.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't know. I just. I feel bad. I went to bed angry, woke up angry.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's nothing like waking up angry.

[Sydney Washington]

I woke up furious because it's just like, why did you. You're such a dumb bitch. Like, why did you think. And then I saw her girlfriend and I was like, there's no way she would.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, she had a girl too.

[Sydney Washington]

Duh.

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Sydney Washington]

I was literally like, you ever wake.

[Lacey Mosley]

Up just like, no. I'd be waking up like that every day.

[Sydney Washington]

I woke up. You know how you, like, push the. The blankets off of you? That's how I woke up. I was like, fuck this shit. This is dumb. And so now if anybody's like, do you have a. Do you have problems or any issues with kissing or, like, sex scenes? I'm like, absolutely. Oh, I don't act that far. Okay. I act to where the lines and I draw the line and be like, oh, I have to kiss you. I don't just kiss. That's not what I do in my day to day.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what I do, though.

[Sydney Washington]

I heard that's what.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the actor work.

[Sydney Washington]

No, fuck acting. I'm not about this life.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how acting set up.

[Sydney Washington]

No, acting is like lines. We end the scene. Anything physical, like Making out. And you gotta touch my cat. We go together now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Got to touch my cat is not a part of acting. If anybody's ever touched your coochie on the show, that was not a part of. You got scammed when it was like, okay, now we doing the coochie touches scene. It's like, that's not. That ain't it.

[Sydney Washington]

Are you sure?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's somebody done lied to. Oh, my God. Listen, we all. It happens, especially in this industry. Like, we're in the weirdest industry where you can, like, do professional deals in a hotel room and shit. Like, what?

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ain't nobody else gotta deal with this. If you at Avis Rent a car, you ain't doing no deals in the hotel.

[Sydney Washington]

No. No way. I. I'm. See, I'm smarter than that. Don't think that I'm that foolish, but I genuinely was like, oh, something is definitely going down. And then we went to dinner, and it was like, why did I come here?

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. I'm so sorry that this happened.

[Sydney Washington]

And then I paid for my dinner.

[Lacey Mosley]

You paid for your dinner? Oh, that's the biggest scam of all. Well, no, you gotta be like, I'll Venmo you. And then as soon as they run they car, then you be like, oh, my God, the wi Fi down. The WI Fi down. But I'm gonna Venmo you. Give me your handle. Let me take a picture of it. So I got it.

[Sydney Washington]

You so basic. I can't. I'm not even be affiliated with this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Then you never Venmo, you don't know that girl. Y' all been on a short film. You'll never see her again. No.

[Sydney Washington]

You think I'll never see her?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, you'll never see her.

[Sydney Washington]

We follow each other on Instagram.

[Lacey Mosley]

You have to do that.

[Sydney Washington]

Why? I feel like, okay, so now you gotta see the growth. Now you gotta see the aftermath.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now you just being petty. Now you gotta see the aftermath.

[Sydney Washington]

But I'm so angry that I can't even really post any stories. That's like, oh, look at me.

[Lacey Mosley]

She know you hot.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, but she's not even like that. She's very, like, philosophical whisper.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't know this damn woman.

[Sydney Washington]

What's behind the skin type individual?

[Lacey Mosley]

We were talking all my exes on Instagram just so they follow me back so they can see me winning. I had so many ex boyfriends at my birthday party, it was crazy.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, I saw. I was like, you know everyone.

[Lacey Mosley]

Very fun.

[Sydney Washington]

You're friends with everybody.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gotta be As a good scam artist, you gotta keep your relationships tight, but also far enough away that they don't know who you really are. You know what I'm saying?

[Sydney Washington]

I feel like I'm getting scammed right now at this damn podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are, but only mildly. Only mildly. We ain't even take your DNA. Okay, good.

[Sydney Washington]

All right, scams.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Sydney Washington]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So on November 10, 2012, which 2012 was a big year for scams. Cause 2012 was when we all said the world was gonna end and it ain't in. And then we just was like nevermind. But 2012 was a big year for scams and probably for water and like go bags and shit because everybody thought the world was really gonna end. So there was an explosion in a Richmond Hill subdivision in Indianapolis, Indiana that kill people and caused more than $4 million of property damage. The home of Monserrat Shirley was the center of the explosion. And the explosion killed next door neighbors John Longworth and his wife Jennifer Buxton. And it also injured several other people. So Shirley and her boyfriend Mark Leonard and three others were convicted and sentenced to prison, including felony murder charges. Because this was arson.

[Sydney Washington]

Duh.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. I wouldn't look into a home explosion. I just like, oh damn. Like so sad.

[Sydney Washington]

Shit is not just blowing up, bitch. Like who's doing that And New York.

[Lacey Mosley]

Should be blowing up.

[Sydney Washington]

It depends on the building. Like if the building is old, yes. But if it's like renovated really nice, I always look sideways like this might be a setup.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true. I think that. So Shirley was a nurse and she owned a home at the center of the explosion. And she and her boyfriend Mark Leonard also lived at the residence. They told the authorities that they left Friday night for a weekend at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana. Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana sounds like the saddest place on the earth.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't even want to talk about that. I want to talk about Mark Leonard. He's got two names.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would put.

[Sydney Washington]

I would never trust a man with two first names. Is he has two first names.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how you know he's a scammer. Yeah, because his name sound made up. Mark Leonard probably ain't the name his mama gave him.

[Sydney Washington]

It's not his name at all.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's an invention, Keith.

[Sydney Washington]

It's probably just fucking Keith.

[Lacey Mosley]

Keith is the worst name. I'm so sorry. Keith is the worst name in America. Yeah. So Mark Leonard is probably, and obviously for sure a scammer. So they arranged for Shirley's 12 year old daughter to stay with friends and they boarded their cat Snowball for the weekend. Shirley told the police that she never smelled any natural gas, but that her daughter had thought she was recent. Like her daughter basically said, mommy, it smells like gas in here. That's what she told the police. Prosecutors alleged on Friday before explosion, Mark Leonard and his brother Bob spoke with a neighbor who was a Citizen Energy employee. How convenient. So convenient that your neighbor work for the energy company. And so they talked to him and they said they asked him about the differences between propane and natural gas. Nigga. What?

[Sydney Washington]

They're so obvious. That's the most annoying thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's called Google.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, like come on now, you could go to the library and find out this information. You don't even have to Google, yo.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you really want to commit crimes, you really should just go to the library. Ain't nobody gonna be able to check your search history. You can get tons of information. Book looks still got info in them.

[Sydney Washington]

It's true. And you don't have to highlight them at all. You just take a picture and then.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't got no witnesses. How you gonna ask your next door neighbor? So. Hey. Hey, Chet. Hey, what's up? What you doing down here? Mowing the grass. Oh, looks nice. What fertilizer are you using? Oh, it's good out here. So what's the difference between natural gas and propane? Would you know if something blew up? If it blew up from natural gas or propane?

[Sydney Washington]

It's so specific. That's the problem. Like you're propane.

[Lacey Mosley]

How do you work that into a conversation you don't like? Oh, your grass is so nice. Love that grass. Oh, man. Oh, do you use a lawnmower? What kind of gas is in your lawnmower? Would Propane. Propane. I'm trying to segue it in. Naturally, I don't. I don't know if I can. It's fine.

[Sydney Washington]

That's exactly how he sounded when he did it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And obviously because the man remembered and narcked on his ass and told the police that they had this weird ass conversation on the day of the explosion. Another neighbor saw a white van pull into the driveway of Shirley's residence between 2pm and 3pm Dumb, stupid.

[Sydney Washington]

Anytime I see a white van pull up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just a.

[Sydney Washington]

A van is a dead giveaway.

[Lacey Mosley]

A van is like a crime vehicle. Yeah, like we know you doing crimes. A van and also a Prius.

[Sydney Washington]

It's like tbt.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's too much. Yeah, we. We knew immediately it was like crimes time for crime. Crime time. So the van pulled up and the men were reportedly in the home briefly and hurriedly left. Well, o. Can I also say that Shirley really underestimated how fucking nosy her neighbors are. Because I never looked at nobody's home and would know that between any hours a van arrived. Like I don't pay attention to my neighbors.

[Sydney Washington]

What's her neighbor's name?

[Lacey Mosley]

The neighbor's names ain't in here.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay, well, let's just call them Keith and Ashley. They are not fucking. So people who don't fuck stay in the window. They stay like lurking and busy and that's what gets them off. It's like if they know other people. People's business, then they have something to talk about in the bedroom. Besides the point that they not so. I already knew that was happening.

[Lacey Mosley]

The pillow talk is real. So they're doing all this because they're not. I believe that. So, yeah. So these peeping toms, these window peeping toms were dedicated. Dedicated. Cuz I'm like, how you got hours. How do you remember this? So the men were reportedly in the home briefly and then hurriedly left. So they done clocked how they left the home too, which sounds to me like maybe they set off some propane gas.

[Sydney Washington]

They did. They're very messy and obvious about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like how y' all gonna pull up to the front door?

[Sydney Washington]

They did a bad job.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a horrible job at a scam. I will say, analyzing this scam. I don't approve of these people because they were just so fucking blatant about it. You don't pull up to the front.

[Sydney Washington]

And where is this? In Indiana?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Indianapolis. They don't got shit to do.

[Sydney Washington]

They're. This is making me so. And they were white. Of course it would okay, I'm just. Hey, you freaking never know.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, you don't. You truly don't. They didn't even try to hide anything. They were so certain they were gonna get away with this. No, no, no. Just pull the van up front. No one's gonna question us. The house explodes, you know, whatever. I think they would have actually probably got away with it if two people didn't die. I think the people dying is really what threw the scam up.

[Sydney Washington]

But you can't have an explosion and everybody live. Cause then that means it definitely was a setup.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know.

[Sydney Washington]

People gotta die. There's gotta be some casualties that go on.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like when people die, so.

[Sydney Washington]

It could be an accident, but when.

[Lacey Mosley]

People die, people ask more questions. Cause they gotta figure out, like, what happened. Cause these people died.

[Sydney Washington]

But if nobody dies, then it's a dead giveaway. That's like, oh, everybody's been alerted that this was gonna happen. Oh, y' all all just so happen to not be in the vicinity when this house went off.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I get when the house went off. I love it. So Bob Leonard's son told investigators that several items were in the van that had been taken from the home, including photos and financial documents. So these niggas also got all the stuff that they wanted out the house. Like, they went in and was like, okay, well, we gotta make sure we take our taxes so that we can file this year.

[Sydney Washington]

Like, nobody does that.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can't prepare. You have to make it look like an accident, y'. All. You can't take all the stuff that you need out the house before you. Before you exploded.

[Sydney Washington]

And that's the funny thing, is that they were, like, very rational.

[Lacey Mosley]

Too rational.

[Sydney Washington]

You're gonna burn your place down. You can't have any rationing. You gotta be irrational so people don't see the actual steps that were made. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they let everyone see every step.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Shirley's daughter was placed with a babysitter overnight before the couple went to the casino.

[Sydney Washington]

The daughter gotta die, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, you can't.

[Sydney Washington]

That's why it's not an accident. Oh, the cats and the daughter, everybody survived.

[Lacey Mosley]

They should have let the kids get.

[Sydney Washington]

The fuck out of here.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's really where they fucked up. They really should have let the cat.

[Sydney Washington]

The daughter, they should have bought a bird.

[Lacey Mosley]

And white people love animals. White people love animals. So if your cat died, they would have been like, oh, my God, this is a real tragedy. I know you ain't blow your cat up on purpose.

[Sydney Washington]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you're right. The cat or the daughter, one of them needed to die.

[Sydney Washington]

Rule number one. One of them pets gotta go.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta make sacrifices for the scam. You can't have a perfect scam where nobody gets hurt and nobody dies. But I will say they probably should have let the daughter die. And I'll tell you why later.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay? Why? What'd she do? I feel like you have some tea, some insider trade.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna get to it. So the most damning piece of evidence was a witness statement from one of Mark Leonard's associates, who investigators said that that weekend before the explosion, for the explosion, excuse me, Leonard told him that the house blew up. So he reportedly said that tsunami winds came down the chimney, blew out the fire, and the fire and the gas kept running and the house blew up. Witness told the investigators that Leonard talked about buying a Ferrari with the insurance money for the house. Okay, sir, so before the house, before you even.

[Sydney Washington]

Did you already run your mouth? This is what I just want everybody to know. Any type of thing you're gonna do, where everybody might even go to jail, somebody's gonna run their mouth. Nobody is gonna keep those lips closed because they just can't. We're human beings.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You gotta keep your secret.

[Sydney Washington]

It's hard to keep a secret.

[Lacey Mosley]

But to me, that's a mark of someone who's not a good scammer. Because, like, I remember I went on a date with this guy once, and he told me that he got fired from his job for insider trading, right? Like, so he was working at a bank and he got, like, basically a tip that some stock was about to get.

[Sydney Washington]

I know what. Insider trader.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, for the people. I'm doing it for the people, so they know. And so he got tipped off that a stock was gonna do really well and he bought a bunch of it and he made a lot of money. Then he went around the office bragging about the money that he made, and that's how he got caught. And I was more mad that he was bragging than he did the insider trading. Like, I was like, what the fuck? You're stupid. Like, you got the money? Why are you talking?

[Sydney Washington]

Let me tell you, if I win any kind of money, I'm still shopping at Rainbow, okay? I'm still going to consignment shops. I'm wearing the cheapest shoe. Like Steve Madden Etoro. I go down. That's what I do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love a Steve Madden.

[Sydney Washington]

That's what I do. Aldo, let's go, let's go. I'm just gonna, like, live A regular life so that you don't know that my bank account is popping.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, I buy expensive shit. I love expensive shit. I'm buying.

[Sydney Washington]

I know I see you with your LV bag over there, but I will.

[Lacey Mosley]

Say that I'll never buy expensive luggage unless I start flying private. Because it is insane to me that people have Louis Vuitton luggage that says rob me. Your luggage literally says steal me. Like what? I put all my nice shit in the raggediest ass suitcase so that if I leave that shit on the carousel, nobody gonna get no ideas.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, people are dumb.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery.

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[Sydney Washington]

Okay, what's. What's the rest of the story?

[Lacey Mosley]

So, yeah, he bragged about it to his friends. And also before they did this, they took out a $300,000 insurance policy on the home very, very close to the date. So they. Yeah, it had recently been increased. I'm giving the exact time frame, but it's obviously Within a year, they're saying that it recently got increased. So, guys, you should increase your insurance, but not right before you blow your house.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, like, you gotta do it maybe a year before.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you gotta plan this scam.

[Sydney Washington]

Actually, when you watch documentaries, they be watching when you take out these policies. So, like, even a year, two years is just too close, because nobody is just reing up on their policy.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta play the long game. Yeah, you gotta play the long game if you in love. But, you know, maybe you want to kill your spouse.

[Sydney Washington]

Who even does that anymore? That's so dated. Oh, you gonna kill somebody for money? Get a life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? It is very bad. Basic. And I think that's why they got caught, because they were like, guys, this is the most basic scam we know about this. So. Investigators discovered a number of allegations of insurance fraud and other scams by Mark Leonard prior to the blast, particularly involving stolen or wrecked automobiles. So this nigga was doing the Swoopa squat.

[Sydney Washington]

Wait, what's that?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what? The Swoopa Squat. Okay, So I learned this from the black man at all state who do them commercials who was the president on 24. And I personally think responsible for Barack Obama being president. He was our first black president on tv. Anyway, he talks like this, and he's all sick guy. And his. His voice.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't remember the guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's called a swoop and squat. So the swoop and squat is where you are in a car. You get in front of somebody, and then you hit your brakes real hard so that they slam into the back of you, and then you collect the insurance money.

[Sydney Washington]

Ah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So my Marc was out here doing super squats.

[Sydney Washington]

I mean, this just. That's like kindergarten work.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I do appreciate it just because, like, he's a career scammer. And to find out that he was a career scammer really energized me because I think that you can make a living from scams. You just can't get greedy.

[Sydney Washington]

You're gonna get caught, though, and you can't get lazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

And this was Mark's laziest scam.

[Sydney Washington]

You're gonna get caught. And you're. When you do finally get caught, nobody's gonna feel sorry for you and you're gonna be stuck. So I don't think it's worth it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel sorry for Mark also, though. I, like, Mark didn't love Shirley. I think Mark got with Shirley because she had a home and some nice things.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm sorry. That's what love is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, a scam no, it's a shel.

[Sydney Washington]

You need shelter. Okay. And longevity. When you love people who have absolutely bring absolutely nothing to the table, you don't understand what love is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I can't.

[Sydney Washington]

I can't love you if we sleeping on the floor. No, I just can't. No.

[Lacey Mosley]

I hate you.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't have good back support.

[Lacey Mosley]

I used to date beautiful poor boys. Like, boys who are so.

[Sydney Washington]

Never heard of that. So I've never heard of attractive man that's also poor.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. Now if, like, if you have no money. My vagina is arid.

[Sydney Washington]

No, no, no. But I've never met one. I've never met somebody who's attractive. That's a man. And poor. If you're a good looking man, you gonna get some money.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, men are always scamming too. I meet men who literally, like, try to scam me.

[Sydney Washington]

You live in la. That's why there's a lot of homelessness going on.

[Lacey Mosley]

One was in New York. Literally, we was talking and he was like, damn, I really need this new camera. Like, could you get it for me? And I was like, are you out of your fucking mind?

[Sydney Washington]

Who said that to you?

[Lacey Mosley]

I would never buy you anything. A Brooklyn boy.

[Sydney Washington]

Nobody buys cameras. You have an iPhone X. Like, it's a $1,200 phone. Portrait mode, bitch. You better know how to use a portrait mode if that's the last case scenario.

[Lacey Mosley]

Men want me to be their sugar mama. It happens often.

[Sydney Washington]

Well, you on TV now, so, duh, I want you to be my sugar mama. I. I'm. I'm looking at your bag and I'm like, sis, get me a cab to the To. To the airport.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she's already planning her next scam.

[Sydney Washington]

She'S gonna run on me. I really am.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Mark Leonard wasn't just doing swooping squats. Mark Leonard also had several complaints from several women claiming that Leonard scammed them out of thousands of dollars. Many of the women reported that they met him on dating sites and that he soon began asking them. Previously won, like, a $70,000 judgment against Leonard in a civil suit after lending him $53,000, which he never repaid. Another woman reported that she had loaned him about $5,000 for a construction job. So this all makes me feel that Leonard must be slinging that pipe.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, the dick is great.

[Lacey Mosley]

The dick is fantastic.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay, chef's kiss on that dick because delicioso.

[Lacey Mosley]

What kind of dick is making you give somebody $53,000?

[Sydney Washington]

The most I've ever given was like an ipod nano. And that was like, we don't even have nanos anymore.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I gave my ex boyfriend, who I'm pretty sure had a sugar daddy. I gave him a bowl of a watch, and it was like, 400 bucks. Idiot. I was young. I was dumb. I was 19.

[Sydney Washington]

Foolish.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't even know if I could talk to you anymore on this podcast because that's just.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, don't leave.

[Sydney Washington]

Why would you do such a thing like that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, love the biggest scam, but, yeah, so he obviously was slanging that pipe and he.

[Sydney Washington]

$50,000. Well, now I want to know her story. Like, where does she work?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, she got a lot of money. If you got $53,000 to loan to anybody, you got too much money.

[Sydney Washington]

Was it in increments or she just went to the bank and, like, made it rain.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was it installment?

[Sydney Washington]

Like, what's up? Did she PayPal him?

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly, I don't. And, like, he was like. He. He gave some people excuses. Like, another woman reported that she gave him 5,000 for a construction job, which he said he was going to pay back. Construction? Where?

[Sydney Washington]

Unheard of.

[Lacey Mosley]

He must be buff.

[Sydney Washington]

Construction, wherever they live, is $2. There's no way, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

They live in Indianapolis. They don't. You don't need $5,000 to do construction. You write about that. I mean, so he's been scamming. And I think that's why. I think that he wasn't with Shirley. For real? For real. I think he saw an opportunity in burning down her house because he scammed women before. Like, love is his probably biggest income. So I was like, okay, I see you, Mark Leonard.

[Sydney Washington]

That's why I'm never gonna be single again, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Montserrat, Shirley, Mark Leonard and Bob Leonard. So Mark brought his brother in on the job.

[Sydney Washington]

Hey, keep it in the family, yo. Keep it in the family.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was smart about that. I think, like, if you won't scam, you really should scam with your blood relatives. Like, they're probably the most trustworthy people.

[Sydney Washington]

No, fuck family. Family be the first one to just throw you under the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, Bob Leonard did throw him under the bus.

[Sydney Washington]

Exactly. I know this work.

[Lacey Mosley]

He talked to the police like he was in an Oprah interview. He gave him everything.

[Sydney Washington]

Don't let me be in the interrogation room. I'm giving up my whole family.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn.

[Sydney Washington]

For a Snickers bar? That's it. When the sugar's low, I go crazy weird.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're talking about other crimes. We don't even need that information. You're like, no, no, no. Let me tell you another thing. My cousin be running numbers.

[Sydney Washington]

Uh huh.

[Lacey Mosley]

You want his number? 5. 5. 5.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's not what we're here talking about. No. I'll give you everyone. So they were all charged with two counts of murder and arson in the deaths of Dion and Jennifer Longworth. So though the trio was eligible for the death penalty under Indiana law, prosecutors chose to pursue life sentences without parole. Shirley and the Leonard brothers stating that they believed the jury would be unlikely to impose the death penalty as there was no evidence that the suspects intended to kill anybody. So basically they were like, we're not gonna hit you with the death penalty because y' all ain't know that people was home during the explosion. Like, clearly they didn't wanna kill anybody. They didn't wanna kill anyone.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm sorry. If you blow up a fucking home on a block and you don't notify everybody on that block, you are going to commit some type of murder.

[Lacey Mosley]

That shit is rude. Like, they could have at least been like, hey, y', all, don't be home from the hours. Yeah, they were already so sloppy.

[Sydney Washington]

Like, I would have called up and like, yo, I. The mob has been after me for, like, weeks. So if I was you, I would go to that vacation home you got in Savannah or something, and peace out.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would go to the Hollywood Casino in Indianapolis. The Hollywood Casino in Indianapolis sounds like a place where you go and you lose the small amount of money that you had. And they have one gift store and you have to buy an outfit and then start hooking in front of the casino to get home. Like, it sounds like the saddest place in the world.

[Sydney Washington]

I love it. I feel like that's where I need to have my funeral at. That's my brand. I fucked with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause for places to find your funeral to have your funeral at.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, that's it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, this was tragic. So, yeah, they didn't pursue the death penalty. A fourth person, Gary Thompson, was charged in January 2015 with the same charges.

[Sydney Washington]

Gary Thompson black.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gary Tucson black?

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah, nigga, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gary almost got away. Gary Black ass in here. We going to jail. Gary going to jail, too.

[Sydney Washington]

His name is Gary. Anything with Gary. And then the last name starts with the T. Black, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Very black. That's why he got charged. Poor guy. I feel bad for Gary. It ain't right for him to get charged.

[Sydney Washington]

Watch you find out he's Asian.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in April 2015, a fifth man, Glenn Holtz, was Charged with conspiracy to commit arson. So I think these are the two guys who were in the van.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Holtz and his then fiance babysat Shirley's daughter on the night of the explosion. Shirley alleged that Holt initially came up with the idea. Okay, so Shirley, you out here dropping dime on everybody like they babysat your daughter like so.

[Sydney Washington]

Everybody could get this smoke.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shirley was like, I was also at the bank earlier and Nutella told me it was a good idea too. Get that too. Go to First Trust National Bank. Yeah. And ask for Ashley. Cuz I got to go to jail.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm sorry. If anybody has not watched First 48, that is the number one show. If you want to see people give up and just rat on everybody, everybody.

[Lacey Mosley]

They don't hold back like, damn, they babysit your child. You gonna do that?

[Sydney Washington]

So.

[Lacey Mosley]

So prostitutors contend that they filled the house with natural gas like they talked to their neighbor about, and then used a spark from a microwave, which could be set in advance to detonate it. The alleged motive for the arson was to collect the insurance money to ease financial strain. Shirley set to receive over $300,000 in insurance money for the replacement of the home. As long as you. That's not even a lot of money. I mean, and not enough to change your life. That's not enough money. Shirley, you was about to be having to blow your house up like every two years. $300,000, baby. Like, come on. They're like, Shirley blew a house up again.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah. Wow. Something about that house, it's just really going off.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shit is flammable. So yeah, only $300,000, which I also said was not enough. Investigators found out that the couple had had it substantial debt, including $63,000 in credit card debt. How do you have $63,000? This is a white problem. I never had a limit that was $63,000. How many credit cards do you have to get to have $63,000 in credit card debt?

[Sydney Washington]

There could be school debt. Debt is universal debt.

[Lacey Mosley]

That says credit card debt. It says credit card debt. This is not school debt. That means a credit card company let them spend 63,000.

[Sydney Washington]

It's still dumb because 300,000 minus. Minus 63,000. Like you still not enough money, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Not at all. It's like $237,000.

[Sydney Washington]

When they're finished with everything, they gonna about have 100,000, which you can finish that. You could blow that in six months.

[Lacey Mosley]

A friend of the couple reported that Mark lost $10,000 at that Hollywood casino approximately three weeks before the explosion, that.

[Sydney Washington]

Was God letting them know. See, you don't. You can't even hold 10 G G's, bruh.

[Lacey Mosley]

You lost 10 G's at the casino. He was like, damn.

[Sydney Washington]

On God. He was like, yeah, I just shouldn't have money.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess we gotta blow the house up. Yeah, but first let me tell my friends that I'm blowing the house.

[Sydney Washington]

Dumb. I talk too much. That's why I can't commit any kind of crimes. I'd let people know before.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, I'll keep it a secret.

[Sydney Washington]

No, I'll drink one Arnold Palmer and I'll be at the bar. Like, girl, let me tell you what I'm about to do this weekend.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm about to blow my house up.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm about to get this money. And then I'm like, what y' all drinking? Pellegrino. I got it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, Mark talked too fucking much. Like, he obviously told somebody he lost $10,000, which is a flex. If you tell somebody you lost $10,000 in the casino, it's a flex to just have $10,000 to lose.

[Sydney Washington]

I would say I was robbed. I would never say that I lost. I would say I would Jussie Smollett the whole situation. Because I'm not telling nobody that I lost $10,000. That's embarrassing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, look, you gotta drip, drop, drip, drippity drop.

[Sydney Washington]

Yo, they held me at gunpoint.

[Lacey Mosley]

They pistol whipped me.

[Sydney Washington]

They have no bruises. They put a ball in my anus. Like, I'm going all out.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think it's a flex. I think it's a flex to be like, ah, I lost the 10 GS in the casino. You know how I do.

[Sydney Washington]

Anyway, I'm tired of Mark. He gotta go. Is he in jail now?

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me get another aperol spritz. Oh, you know markets under the jail. A second mortgage was taken out on the home for $65,000 in addition to the original home loan of $116,000. So they didn't already mortgage this home. They put out a second mortgage on this. It just wasn't made for them to win. Like, anybody watching your your has got red flags. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like, you increase your insurance and then you also took out a second mortgage on your home.

[Sydney Washington]

Like, I would be mad if I was them listening to you tell their story. I'm like, damn, Were we really that stupid?

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all were very dumb. For real. So prosecutors initially sought to try the couple together, but defendants were granted the right to have separate trials. I think this is Shirley's doing. She was like, don't try me with that nigga. Like, he is a crazy.

[Sydney Washington]

She's like, I was accomplice by default.

[Lacey Mosley]

Prosecutors then proposed an unusual strategy involving one trial, but three separate juries, one for each defendant. This type of trial is unusual but not unheard of. So basically, the last time that they did this kind of trial in this state was for the Menendez brothers.

[Sydney Washington]

Yo, they Menendez. These niggas talk about legendary, that if.

[Lacey Mosley]

You get a Menendez trial, that mean they really trying to make sure your ass go to jail. That ain't even fair.

[Sydney Washington]

That's right behind the O.J. simpson murder. The Menendez brothers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Sydney Washington]

They killed their parents.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, they very much killed their parents.

[Sydney Washington]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the defendants requested that the trials be moved over concerns that they would not receive a fair trial in central Indiana due to the high profile media coverage by the case. And they actually got granted that. So they got to be tried, like, in some random ass place where I guess people don't know Shirley and they don't know Mark Leonard. Yeah. Shirley pled guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit arson, and she testified against all the other suspects. Shirley came out here and dropped dime on everybody.

[Sydney Washington]

You have to. That's the only way that you can have immunity and get the fuck out in a decent timeframe. And I'm here for that.

[Lacey Mosley]

She admitted to raising the limit on her insurance coverage because Mark urged her to and only went along with the plot out of love for him.

[Sydney Washington]

I was a man.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a man. Look, guys, I was diplomatized court stenographer. Can you put diplomatize on the record?

[Sydney Washington]

No. She said the patriarchy dickmatized, which is.

[Lacey Mosley]

A real medical condition. I have a psychiatrist here to testify about dictation. Dictimization. Yes. Can we get my psychiatrist to the stand? He literally my brains out, guys. I had no brains. And that's why I put.

[Sydney Washington]

I feel like that's valid.

[Lacey Mosley]

He be so good. I took him to Red Lobster. And also, I let it blow up my house.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah. But I would love to. I know Shirley got some friends that be like, I was there. That is dumb.

[Lacey Mosley]

She.

[Sydney Washington]

She would do that stunt before she even got the dick that I would just want. Where are her friends at who know her?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, she don't got no good friends. Because I feel like I would talk to my friends. I'd be at brunch and be like, y', all, I just started seeing this man. His name, Mark Leonard. Two first names. And I'm actually gonna show you A picture of Shirley. Ooh, yes.

[Sydney Washington]

Finally.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is my girl Shirley.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, the haircut.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hello, baby. Woo.

[Sydney Washington]

She looked like, ah. She would definitely give up her whole family.

[Lacey Mosley]

That haircut just asked me to. For a ham sandwich. That haircut just asked me to see the manager. This haircut says I have biracial children.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah. And who are those men next to her? Is that correct?

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is. This is Mark Leonard, the one in the middle right here. That's Mark Leonard. He not even that fine.

[Sydney Washington]

He look like possibly meth has been in the fan.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think he's an Indianapolis 7, though. I think maybe, you know, and also, you know, when you get older and you look like Shirley, any man looking.

[Sydney Washington]

Your way, you probably, like, she's starting to get desperate.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what I mean?

[Sydney Washington]

But she. Where she originally fucked up is that haircut. That's what got her in. The problems that she is in right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

That haircut actually is the reason that her life fell apart.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah. Literally.

[Lacey Mosley]

She should have. She also should have dropped dime on her hairstylist. And also, y' all need to go get Talia Johnson.

[Sydney Washington]

Talia and Supercuts.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get that bitch and put her in jail, too.

[Sydney Washington]

Talia is such a hairdresser name.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause she gave me this haircut.

[Sydney Washington]

Like a tacky hairdresser who, like, uses Vidal Sassoon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yes. You know, she used Vidal Sassoon. So. Mark Leonard's trial began in June of 2015. His defense team admitted that the blaze was intentionally set, but told jurors it was only intended to be a small fire and that murder was never his intention. The defense became that Richmond Hill explosion was supposed to be stupid and selfish insurance fraud that went horribly wrong. Adding precautions were taken to ensure people weren't harmed, which I believe. They obviously babysat their daughter and they even put their cat away, which I. That is.

[Sydney Washington]

This is why I'm not saying I hate. Hate people like this, but I hate people like this. You care more about animals than human beings.

[Lacey Mosley]

They had 3000 pieces of evidence. Prosecutors had 3000 pieces of evidence. And they had potential to call up 175 witnesses. How you done told 175 people you was going to blow up your house? 175.

[Sydney Washington]

Cheryl was at Payless. Like, girl, I'm gonna be able to buy this, this whole place.

[Lacey Mosley]

Watch.

[Sydney Washington]

I got something in the works, girl. Get you a pair of shoes. I got you. Put it on my tab.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were like, oh, you need these in a six and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I get them In a six and a half. Also, I'm blowing up my house. Yeah. Welcome to Chick Fil A. How may I help you? Hi, I can't. I get a three piece nugget meal with extra sauce. I know y' all charging now, but it's cool, cuz I'mma blow up my house.

[Sydney Washington]

I know y' all charging now. Weren't they always charging?

[Lacey Mosley]

They charge for extra sauce now at Chick Fil A. Okay, okay, yes, but you can.

[Sydney Washington]

Obviously, I don't shop there.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a delicious bad place. But literally, Shirley was out here telling everybody she was about to blow her house up. They were like, ma', am, we need to evaluate your car. You're like, yeah, here, my keys. I'm about to blow up my house up. Like, how do 175 people know you was about to blow up your house?

[Sydney Washington]

No, what happened? What happened is. What happened is, is that she told three people and then that's how the whole town found out.

[Lacey Mosley]

And this is Indianapolis. Yeah, you right. Like, that's a good story. If somebody told me they was blowing up their house and I was in Indianapolis, I would definitely be sharing that with everyone.

[Commercial Voiceover]

So.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bob Leonard was convicted on 51 counts, including murder and conspiracy to commit aon. Can't talk. He was sentenced to two life sentences without parole, as well as 70 years from other charges. So they was like, don't pass go. Don't collect $200. Harassing, never leaving jail. Right Mont she. So Shirley pled guilty to conspiracy to commit arson. Her attorneys argued that she was trapped in an abusive relationship and was coerced by Mark Leonard to participate in the crime. So now she's at as abusive. So before she was.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, she's playing a victim now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now it was also abusive. I'm not gonna question it. I can't question that.

[Sydney Washington]

I love putting on that victim cardigan. You know what I mean? Real fresh. Fresh Ann Taylor, victim cardigan. Like real fall of 2020. I'm into it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, into it. I love this song. It's my favorite song. Gary Thompson, our black man who's just roped into this, he's actually white, but Gary Thompson pled guilty to conspiracy to commit arson and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. All he did was babysit her daughter and he got 30 fucking years.

[Sydney Washington]

It happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

You hate to see it.

[Sydney Washington]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

But Mark is the most petty because he died Tuesday, January 30, 2018. So he only served three years. Word in his sentence, he said, oh, bitch. Y' all thought I was Going to jail, bitch. I'mma die.

[Sydney Washington]

The gag is I'm out. Literally, I'm out of this world.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm. I'm leaving the world, bitch. You thought I was gonna do these 70 years like a real scammer? He died. He said, boy, you see this hairline?

[Sydney Washington]

I'm not doing. I am not going bald in this bitch. I'm out. Shut up.

[Lacey Mosley]

I stand a king, you know, and also the reason that I said that Shirley should have probably let her daughter blow up in the house was Shirley's daughter testified.

[Sydney Washington]

You're so problematic, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I know, but her daughter testified against them. She testified against her mama, which. What? I would never testify against my mama.

[Sydney Washington]

I wouldn't. Without a doubt. I wouldn't even hold back for a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Two piece in a biscuit, baby. You testify for too little. Yeah, that's how I'm telling.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't give a fuck. That's how little I have invested.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shout out to Mark because he was a career scammer.

[Sydney Washington]

Is that the end of the story?

[Lacey Mosley]

And he died as he lived. Yes. They went to jail. Shirley did have to go to jail. Look at her going to jail. They got. They got photos of her going to jail, so she might as well die too. Swipe over it and see how she's, like, so distraught.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, she got black hair now. Yeah, she didn't let them get to her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, you can't. Talia can't do your highlights when you in jail.

[Sydney Washington]

True, true, true. I'm fucked up. That's my bad. I clearly don't know how gel works.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know.

[Sydney Washington]

People be having FaceTime and whatnot now, and they have wi fi and they can post on Facebook.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm just assuming when JT from the city girls went to jail, I was like, oh, you can have so much in jail. JT be posting on her Instagram from jail. No.

[Sydney Washington]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ugh, I love it.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm so tired.

[Lacey Mosley]

Real hot girl. Shit.

[Sydney Washington]

I. No. I'm exhausted.

[Lacey Mosley]

If I go to jail, my Instagram will still be popping.

[Sydney Washington]

No, thank you, but yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So shout out to Mark Leonard, a king. He died as he lived.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm proud of Mark. I would have done the same thing. How dare I? So I'm not. So you're saying I'm not getting my money and I'm going to jail. I'm out.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm dying. I'm a notebook myself. I'm a will myself to die.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm not getting this money and I got it. Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not suicide. I'M just going to mentally will myself to die. They said he died of natural.

[Sydney Washington]

Ah, bitch. You know, that was a scam itself. You know, he was able to say there's no way he died naturally in jail. I don't know. I've never heard of that. How old was he?

[Lacey Mosley]

48.

[Sydney Washington]

Nobody is dying naturally in jail at 48. It's just not happening.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe. I don't know. I think he willed himself to die. I think he went to sleep and was like, this is it. I'm not waking up, honey.

[Sydney Washington]

I've tried that before. And I woke up and I was like, fuck, I'm still here. So there's. That doesn't work unless he got some, like, spooky white man powers where he could just, you know, do such a thing. It's not real.

[Lacey Mosley]

He had the kind of dick that makes you give away $53,000. So you know what? Illuminati. Naughty, naughty. He called on the powers of his dick.

[Sydney Washington]

So he just rubbed his dick three times and was like, I wish I was dead.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wish it was dead. And then Ash was dead. I think that's how it happened. It is time for Scammer of the Week. Scammer of the Week is where we just highlight an exceptional charlatan and just give them a little bit of praise at the end of the episode. This week, it is Shaniqua Jordan, who was charged with larceny and attempted larceny. She's a fashion blogger who is known on Instagram as Simplicity x Style.

[Sydney Washington]

Wait.

[Lacey Mosley]

And she's known for posing in high fashion brands such as ysl, Louboutin, Chanel, and going to some pretty serious legal troubles because she was scamming a Connecticut woman. She apparently stole $50,000 from a Connecticut woman.

[Sydney Washington]

Wait, let me see a picture of her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me find a picture of her. So she posted five days ago and she's got the new Chanel bag. She's super cute.

[Sydney Washington]

So how much did she steal?

[Lacey Mosley]

She stole $50,000 from a Connecticut woman. But I'm sure that wasn't the first time she stole $50,000. Not even that much, right? Also, do it for the gram. Like she's doing it for a cause. I don't want her to get caught. I was sad that she got caught.

[Sydney Washington]

She looks great. I'm about to follow her. I want to see her journey, y'. All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm about to get fuck fashion tips from her. Yes.

[Sydney Washington]

Work these looks.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, she's doing a community service and I don't think that she could have got, like, should have got pinched. And I feel bad for her. She's beautiful.

[Sydney Washington]

She looks great.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm into it.

[Sydney Washington]

Here, let me send this to myself.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also, I feel Sydney's really following her right now. Instagram. I also feel like probably most Instagram fashion bloggers are running some kind of scam, because how are you keeping up with these looks, yo?

[Sydney Washington]

I be so, so mad because I'm just like, one. Not only are you looking good, but then you're traveling. It's not fair. I have. What is your. I. I don't need to know what your income is. Like, I don't need to know how she's working hard, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams are hard work.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams are very hard work. They're depleting. They're exhausting. And also, you have to stay ahead of the game. Like, when you scam, you gotta be thinking about your next scam. You know what I mean? You can't be just in the moment with scams. That's not how they work. That's why Mark Leonard got picked up. His.

[Sydney Washington]

He's like, so we just.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was trying to do.

[Sydney Washington]

To set it off. Like, oh, we just gonna rob this last bank. And then that's it. And it's like, actually, everybody died except you, literally. Yeah, well, Mark died, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mark died, too. Mark went out like Queen Latifah and set it off. Just riddled with bullets. He did.

[Sydney Washington]

And I love that you got, like, a G, you know? Don't let them see you with your head down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nah, not my nigga. Mark wasn't about to do that jail time. He wasn't doing that bid.

[Sydney Washington]

I'm still upset about yesterday. I can't believe. Like, I'm so frazzled. I don't even know why. It's like, I knew nothing was going to happen, but I tricked myself into believing. I was like, oh, she totally is into me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, that's the biggest part of scams is, like, scam artists know that you can't just scam anybody. You have to scam someone who's kind of willing to be scammed a lot. Little bit. It's that hope. We call it the despo meter. Like, how desperate are you?

[Sydney Washington]

Look at that gem you just dropped.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what I mean? Like, are you gonna suck dick for water? How desperate are you? You know?

[Sydney Washington]

Well, sorry, sis. I was on a set, not sucking dick for water. I'm better than that. How dare you try to drag me on your podcast with your listeners who don't know me From Adam. That is disrespectful and you should lose your friend Carter on that. I don't know if I'll be speaking to you after this drops straight up and down.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was a fire fest reference.

[Sydney Washington]

Said, no. I had Andy King canceled. He's canceled, like, after what, a month? I was like, who? Andy who?

[Lacey Mosley]

I want Andy King to have a career, you know, he's doing.

[Sydney Washington]

I heard he was going to have a show.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he needs to hop on it faster.

[Sydney Washington]

I hope he is a real scam artist because all of a sudden you talking about sucking dick for some festival that you knew was shit from jump.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it.

[Sydney Washington]

He knew if he was like, if I say this in this documentary, my shit is going to pop.

[Lacey Mosley]

I. And yeah, and then he's an opportunist and I love it. That's what you have to be as a scammer, too. Like, it's also. Scamming is about opportunity. Like, if a door is unlocked, if a safe is cracked. You know what I mean? Like, you have to be ready to hop on those moments.

[Sydney Washington]

I looked at that picture of that commissioner and ain't no way he was going to be getting his dick sucked ever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Billy McFarlane was on Molly Cunt constantly. And I think that he literally probably called Andy and was like, yo, we need you to get this water. Like, do whatever you gotta do. Suck dick for it. And, like, probably was joking. And Andy, like, took that moment and was like, but I put some breath freshener in my mouth. Shut up.

[Sydney Washington]

And then he went there.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I was like.

[Sydney Washington]

I was looking at that guy that he was supposed to suck his dick. And I was just like, no, he's not allowing that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, he was like, he.

[Sydney Washington]

And even he said in the documentary, he's like, yeah, you ain't gotta do that. Just make sure we get our money.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, no, I'mma suck the dick. It was like he volunteered to suck the dick. Everyone's like, andy, no, we don't need you to suck Andy. Tell the truth.

[Sydney Washington]

You was running. You were willing to and you were ready. You wanted to.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I already put my lip gloss on somebody dick getting sucked.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I put Listerine in my mouth. Somebody did get and sucked.

[Sydney Washington]

He probably was like, does anybody know where Ja Rule is? He was looking for Ja Rule the whole time during Fiberfest and was like, so I heard I had to suck a dick.

[Lacey Mosley]

What do I do about my baby? Yo, Ja Rule is the biggest scammer of all. He really got away from this unscathed. In fact, he got publicity. I was like, I didn't know Ja Rule had enough money to scam anyone.

[Sydney Washington]

No, he had publicity. People still weren't on his side. So he got publicity and still is in the hole.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe.

[Sydney Washington]

So he's not a good.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true.

[Sydney Washington]

You have to be likable, and he's not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't care if you are on this boat with your shirt off. I don't care how many abs you have. We still remember. We remember what 50 Cent did to you. And you're done. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know why he didn't get away with that shit? Because you have to go to jail after you lose a rap beef so that you can get your cred back. Cause Meek Mill went to jail after Drake beat him in the rap beef. And now we, like, all respect Meek Mill again.

[Sydney Washington]

Do we?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. No, after he went to jail, he became an activist. And we were like, oh, my God, Meek Mill. Like, we love you.

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, it's just so worked out that he's an act, a quote, quote, activist.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta go to jail, though. You can't just lose a rap beef and then just, like, try to exist as a rapper anymore. That's what fucked up with Ja Rule. That's why he never got back on top.

[Sydney Washington]

No, he never got back on top because he's won corn on the cob. Cream of corn. It was. It didn't take 50 Cent to do that much to ruin his whole career, you know? Yeah, he was making hits, but it hits at the expense of. Of what?

[Lacey Mosley]

But Ja Rule is a scammer. Anyone who can growl on audio and make a career out of that is a scammer.

[Sydney Washington]

Sorry. DMX was the number one of that. And he was not a scammer. He was about that life. He was a pit bull in a skirt.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was.

[Sydney Washington]

No, that was Eve. Never mind. I'm sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was the issue with dmx. He could stay out of jail.

[Sydney Washington]

He's like, I'm about that life.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's too about that life.

[Sydney Washington]

He's like, this is my brand.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, Zid, it was so amazing having you.

[Sydney Washington]

I had a good time, but I'm still upset. You did not help me from the issues that I had from yesterday.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm sorry. Look, I'm gonna give you an Ayanla hug. If I had bigger titties, you would be more comforted. No, like, when I get older, I have to get breast implants. Cause I want to be like a wise black woman. And you have to have huge tits. To be a wise black woman. That's true. You know you do. No one wants to hug you with your tits not being enveloping them. You know what I mean?

[Sydney Washington]

Oh, that's gross. I don't want to feel your tits.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you kidding? I want to be in Oprah's tits so bad, like, and just cry in them. And I bet they're so soft.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay, you will not do that to our queen. That is my president. How dare you? You better respect her.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do respect her.

[Sydney Washington]

We don't even mention that she has breasts. Okay, that's so weird. You're nasty. She is family.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not sexualizing them. I'm saying that they're probably soft. I want to cry.

[Sydney Washington]

No. Ew. You've been around too many men. That's what that is. That's that toxic masculinity coming out, pouring out of you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. I'm being called a toxic masculine person on a podcast.

[Sydney Washington]

I don't care about them bundles you have in your head. Listen, you are a guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I only wear the finest hair. I watch them cut it off of the woman's head. You have.

[Sydney Washington]

You're on a show now. You have. You have to do better. Like, if I was on a TV show, bitch, first of all, I wouldn't even be on this podcast. I would be like, first of all, I'm gonna have 12 assistants do my podcast for me and just mention my name every two seconds.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen.

[Sydney Washington]

And also, I would also promote the show every two seconds.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm a scammer. I like to get my hands dirty. I like to be a part of it.

[Sydney Washington]

You are. You're out here doing the field work.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's great, but where can people find you? Sid.

[Sydney Washington]

Okay, guys, so I'm on Instagram. Just said bw. If you want to see photos that are lit, lit, Litty. She's so hot with long ass captions. That's where you go. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Twitter.

[Sydney Washington]

I be struggling on there. I'm a work in progress. I'm trying to get to 10k followers. I'm gonna get there, but it's gonna take me some time. Go to just Sid NYC with a Y. Sid with a Y. Yeah, just Siddharth Sid nyc. No, Just Sid BW nyc.

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl, I don't even know what is your handles.

[Sydney Washington]

Hold on. I don't know my handles because I don't really want people to go to Twitter like that because I'm, like, embarrassed that I should be doing better. Okay, it's just Sid nyc. So that's J U S T S Y D N Y C. There we go.

[Lacey Mosley]

People can find you.

[Sydney Washington]

And I have a podcast called the Unofficial Expert.

[Lacey Mosley]

Unofficial Expert. Guys. It's so funny. It's so funny. Good. Listen to it.

[Sydney Washington]

You're doing good work and we. I'm very lucky to have you in my life.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love you also. Guys, email us with your scams. Email us. Tell us how you've gotten scammed at Scam Goddess Pod gmail dot com. You can follow us at Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter and also on Instagram. You can follow me at divalacy D I V A L A C I on all platforms including pay passing me money. I love you guys.

[Sydney Washington]

Bye. Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bye. Hi, I'm Kaelyn Coleman, winner of Target's HBCU design Challenge. This challenge moved me closer to my dream of becoming a fashion designer. Through mentorship and support, you can find my design, along with creations from other black founders in Target's Black History Month collection.