Fraud Friday: The Bootleg Bourbon Heist w/ Frankie Quiñones

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode: Fraud Friday: The Bootleg Bourbon Heist w/ Frankie Quiñones
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Hosts: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess)
Guest: Frankie Quiñones

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley welcomes comedian Frankie Quiñones to delve into the world of fraud, focusing on a notorious bourbon heist. The episode blends humor with insightful discussions on various scams, drawing from both personal anecdotes and historical events.

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Guest Background

Frankie Quiñones is a multifaceted comedian known for his roles alongside Mario Lopez in Lifetime’s Feliz Navidad and his HBO Max special, Super Homies. He also hosts The Frankie Quiñones Show on iHeartMedia's Big Money Player Network and is set to premiere his Hulu show, This Full. Frankie brings his comedic expertise to the podcast, providing both laughs and thoughtful commentary on fraud-related topics.

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Personal Experiences with Scams

[05:00] Frankie Quiñones:
Frankie shares his personal encounters with credit card fraud, recounting how, while working at a hardware store on minimum wage, his debit card was compromised three times, leading to unauthorized purchases at Macy's. He remarks, “They were taking all the money I had in there in one purchase, like Macy's somewhere I never been to.”

[07:31] Laci Mosley:
Laci discusses her own experience with deceptive debit card systems at high-end restaurants, highlighting how such schemes can erode trust. She humorously advises listeners, “Feel around on those gas station things, or if you're in a shady area, go inside and pay because it’s not worth.”

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Main Discussion: The Bootleg Bourbon Heist

The core of the episode revolves around the infamous Bootleg Bourbon Heist at Buffalo Trace Distillery.

[23:29] Laci Mosley:
Laci introduces the heist, where 18 barrels and nearly 300 bottles of Pappy Van Winkle bourbon were stolen from Buffalo Trace Distillery in 2013. Despite immediate detection, authorities took nearly two years to apprehend the culprit.

[28:10] Frankie Quiñones:
Frankie humorously questions the logistics, “How does nobody not notice him with a big ass barrel? Just where is he loading it up and, like, just driving?”

[30:25] Laci Mosley:
Detailing the investigation, Laci explains how the thief, Gilbert Toby Kurtzinger, a senior employee, was eventually caught after deputies found photos of stolen bourbon on his phone. She critiques the authorities' handling of the case, saying, “How did they put the liquor on the table like it was drugs?”

[35:00] Frankie Quiñones:
Frankie sarcastically comments on the minimal charges, “Only a white person would get, no offense to all my white homies out there, but 15-year sentence and then get knocked down to a month.”

[50:58] Laci Mosley:
Laci exposes the leniency in sentencing, stating, “He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 15 years in prison... but was released after serving just a month on shock probation.”

Insights:

• Internal Security Failures: The theft highlighted significant lapses in Buffalo Trace's inventory control and security measures.
• Impact on the Market: Paradoxically, the publicity from the heist led to a boom in sales for Buffalo Trace, illustrating how notoriety can influence consumer behavior.
• Legal Loopholes: The lenient sentencing raised questions about the justice system's handling of fraud-related crimes, especially within specific communities.

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Discussion on Cryptocurrency Scams

[18:47] Laci Mosley:
Laci shifts focus to the rising trend of cryptocurrency scams, emphasizing the lack of regulation in the market. She warns listeners about Ponzi schemes and fraudulent investment platforms, advising, “Do your research and don’t do your research.”

[19:43] Frankie Quiñones:
Frankie reinforces the warning, “Just because you like the show, you're like, oh, they have a coin of it. Let me buy it up.”

Key Points:

• Anonymity Risks: The pseudonymous creation of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin has paved the way for scammers to exploit unsuspecting investors.
• Detection Tips: Laci advises checking for spelling errors in crypto offerings and verifying the legitimacy of trading platforms through official channels like the SEC.

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Scammer of the Week: Fake High-End Whiskey

[35:00] Laci Mosley:
In the segment “Scammer of the Week,” Laci highlights the rise of counterfeit high-end whiskey in local liquor stores. She explains how the pandemic-induced supply shortages have made premium bourbons lucrative targets for fraudsters.

[55:37] Frankie Quiñones:
Frankie jokes about the deception, “That ain't pappy,” reflecting the ease with which scammers sell fake bourbon.

Examples Discussed:

• Insider Edition Producer Scam: A bourbon sold by Acker in Manhattan was found to be a cheaper blend in a bottle purported to be a rare 1878 single malt.
• Global Impact: Instances include Swiss hotels selling counterfeit Scotch to unaware tourists, demonstrating the international scope of such frauds.

Prevention Tips:

• Verification: Buffalo Trace’s new security tags on bottles allow consumers to verify authenticity via an app, indicating if a bottle has been opened or tampered with.
• Consumer Awareness: Laci emphasizes the importance of being cautious and knowledgeable, stating, “If you have enough money to spend a stack on alcohol... you're dumb enough to spend your money on that.”

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Insights and Conclusions

• Interplay Between Crime and Popularity: The Bootleg Bourbon Heist inadvertently boosted Buffalo Trace’s sales, illustrating how notoriety can sometimes benefit brands.
• Systemic Issues in Law Enforcement: The episode critiques the effectiveness and motivation of law enforcement in handling fraud cases, pointing out the leniency in sentencing and lack of adequate response.
• Evolving Fraud Tactics: Scammers continuously adapt, exploiting new markets like cryptocurrency and high-end spirits, necessitating ongoing vigilance and education for consumers.
• Community Impact: Fraud not only affects individual victims but also undermines trust in institutions and brands, as seen with the Buffalo Trace case.

Notable Quotes:

• Laci Mosley [05:00]: “They were taking all the money I had in there in one purchase, like Macy's somewhere I never been to.”
• Frankie Quiñones [28:10]: “How does nobody not notice him with a big ass barrel? Just where is he loading it up and, like, just driving?”
• Laci Mosley [35:00]: “Only a white person would get, no offense to all my white homies out there, but 15-year sentence and then get knocked down to a month.”
• Laci Mosley [18:47]: “Do your research and don’t do your research.”

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Conclusion

This episode of Scam Goddess artfully blends humor with critical analysis of fraud-related issues, from personal anecdotes to high-profile heists and emerging scams in cryptocurrency and premium spirits. With Frankie Quiñones’ comedic touch, listeners are both entertained and educated on the complexities of fraud, reinforcing the podcast’s commitment to uncovering the lighter side of deception while providing valuable insights.

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

Hey, what's up, Lacey?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, this is lovely. I love your voice.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love. I love when we get a good voice on here because I know the girls are tired of migrating, screeching and hollering, so this will be very refreshing for them. I'll let you talk way more than me. Look, Frank, I'm trying to get some more cisgender straight men to listen to the podcast, okay? So that we can influence them and scam them.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, some of them need to be scammed for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. I'm not trying to do robbery to my. To my non binary icons and my Emma's and my women folk, but the men, the sister, the straight man. Come on over here, boy. Let me. Let me see what your wallet looking like.

[Frankie Quinones]

Talk to you for a minute?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, no, I've just been looking at people wallets. I'm just trying to. I'm trying to organize my wallet. So I've just been looking inside other people's wallets just to see what they do and, you know. Would you let me see your wallet, Frankie?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it ain't that exciting, but, you know, got some stuff in there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is it leather? Is it Velcro? Is it. What is it giving? Are you really looking for it right now?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, I wasn't giving it. I'm like, damn, she's pocket checking me already over here.

[Lacey Mosley]

I Need you not to already be falling for the scams. Like, we've been on for, like, two minutes, y'all. He was really looking for his wallet. I love that for me, though. Love that for me. We're gonna have a good relationship, Frankie. So that brings me to my first question then. Like, what's your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you love him? Do you hate. I have a feeling just from you looking for your wallet.

[Frankie Quinones]

I mean. I mean, yes. I mean, yeah. Yeah, all that. I mean, you know, obviously it's shady as fuck, but I remember. You know what was funny is I've been the victim of, like, credit card fraud, which I know is the most basic thing, but it was when I was broke, when I used to be. When I used to be so broke, I was working, like, at a hardware store. It happened to me, like, three times. I just had my one little debit card, making, like, you know, my minimum wage at a hardware store, and three times, like, I was a victim of a credit card fraud, you know what I mean? Where, like, I couldn't even get through the week until they reimbursed me and figured it out and did the investigation. And I'm like, now I'm confusion.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you were working. You were employed at the hardware store, correct?

[Frankie Quinones]

Correct.

[Lacey Mosley]

So were you also, like, buying nails on your off day or something? Like, how was. How were they getting. Because when you go to work, you're not supposed to have to pull out your card.

[Frankie Quinones]

No, I'm just saying, like, that was. My only income was the hardware store.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so you're not blaming the hardware store for your credit cards? No, no.

[Frankie Quinones]

You're not blaming the hardware store.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm saying I was like, did Ace do this to you? Did Mr. Ace do this to you? Frankie, we gotta get you a neck brace. We gotta go to court.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know, right there.

[Lacey Mosley]

We gotta get you damages. No. Okay, okay, so I get what you're saying. You're like, I'm working at this hardware store. So.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

All I'm doing is working as hardware store. Like, I'm not, like, in this. Obviously, I don't have that much money. They were, like, spending all the money I had in there in one. In one purchase, you know, like Macy's somewhere in a city I never been to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. They went to Macy's?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, they went to Macy's.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, that's.

[Frankie Quinones]

And it was. It was twice at Macy's. And the third place was a different time. So I'm like, what? What's up? Like, how are they getting my information?

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. They was out there for all the Macy's Day Parade sales. They was like.

[Frankie Quinones]

And I was like, I'm over here working at Harwood store wearing dirty ass pants to work every day. I'm not spending 6, $700 at Macy's. You know what I'm saying?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, right? You're not. You're not getting your Coco Chanel on. You're not getting you some time for it. They ain't have to do you like that, Frankie. I've also been the victim of credit card fraud enough though. It wasn't my physical debit card or credit card. It was this, which was a scam in itself. I used to work at this restaurant and I would only work at high end restaurants because I was trying to get the bag off of the people who already had the bag. And I remember I was working at this one place and this. I'm not gonna say the name. Even though they're out of business because they got a whole bunch of them and they gave us for a short amount of time. I don't know how long it lasted. Why did they give us rush cards, Frankie? Like, they weren't rush cards, but they were some kind of debit card where they would put all of our cash.

[Frankie Quinones]

I had one of those. That's one of the biggest hustles, you know? I'm saying they're just like, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they're like, no, it's going to be good. Because this way the tips are uploaded onto the car and faster than if you would come back in for your next shit, I'm like, bitch, I work like 50 hours a week here. I'm here every day. Give me my money in cash. Like it was.

[Frankie Quinones]

Cash is king, man. You got to get that cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like it had to have been some kind of scam so that they could write off the tips that we were making. Because, you know, your cash tips, like, sure, I tell some of those. You know what I mean? That's like a new boyfriend cash tips. Like, you don't have to tell your new friend tables.

[Frankie Quinones]

It was like, that was one of the. The bonuses was like, okay, at least I don't have to report my tips, you know, because like the rest of the shit they're taking and you're not making that much money. But yeah, that. That whole rush card system, you know, they're shaving points off transaction fees, even if it's just a penny on every time you get your tips, they're getting Chips off day. You know, it's fucked up.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was so fudged up. But I remember somehow somebody got a hold of my. Look, I'm just gonna call it a R. Y'all know we have shaded Russell Simmons on this show many times before. The rush card is a scam. I can't believe he did that to the black community. You know what I mean? It goes crack and then rush cards. That's the second worst offense to the black community. I guess police should be first. But rush cards are up there. Okay? They're up there, they're high and. But so somebody somehow got my rush card information, because you could use it as a debit card, too. So I think I use it as a gas station, which I tell you guys all the time, like, feel around on those gas station things, or if you're in a shady area, go inside and pay because it's not worth. They will steal your credit card information off of there. So they did this, and they made two $500 purchases within, like, 30 seconds of each other as CVS.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, damn. That's a lot of toothbrushes and toothpaste.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And that the first thing that they did, which is a normal scam, is they hit Domino's. I don't know what the fuck is going on at Domino's Pizza, but I guess, like, it's a very easy place to check and see if people got coin on their card. And I think it also is a small enough transaction that perhaps a lot of institutions will think, like, oh, this person must have left town because they bought some cheap pizza and then they went to CVS and spent a thousand dollars. You know. You know how you do? You get some dominoes and then you go to sleep. You drop one slice. Yeah, you drop a stack. You know how you do. Like, CVS is not Target. Nobody should be spending $1,000 in CVS in one transaction. Like, yeah, y'all should have known. But, yeah, they flagged it. I eventually got the money back, but it took a very long time, so. I know exactly what you mean, Frankie. When.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, I mean, I had. I've had. I've been part of my own shit, too, but still, like, it's like, you know, getting. Getting the. The folks that are already struggling. It's like, oh, man, I used to get. I used to work at a. I don't even know if I incriminate myself. So long ago I was in school, and still this was.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's statutes and limitations. Let's not say any names.

[Frankie Quinones]

A shoe store, and, you know, thing like, you have the homies come in, or it would happen to me as a shoe sir. Hey, can I try on this size? And then you go pick up the box. You go put the box back. You don't even pay attention. You look in, and they're. They got an old pair of shoes in there. So, you know, I'm like, oh, like. Like, somebody came up on. You know, I'm. They came up on the place. But I was like, damn, it was that easy. So then the homies start coming, and then we had a whole thing, and I said, it's not my proudest moment, Lacey.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know me.

[Frankie Quinones]

But I was like, you do a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lot try ons, but there's not a lot of buy ons. We're not seeing a lot of buy ons. We're seeing a lot of try ons.

[Frankie Quinones]

But I would kill it in sales. That's the thing. So I'd say, hey, that was my own little bonus, like, hook the homies up, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, yeah, you know, that's called shrink. Okay, That's. You know what? And that's fine. You didn't do it. You didn't do it, okay? You walked away as a good Samaritan. Like, yeah, try on the shoe, friend. And they did try it on. They tried it on throughout the rest of the mall. They tried it on the way to the car. They tried it on on the way home.

[Frankie Quinones]

You know, it was a little test drive, but I remember my supervisor would find the box and be like, oh, we got another one. I'm like, oh, my gosh. That's. Oh, gosh. It's ridiculous.

[Lacey Mosley]

These guys. I love Daddy Corporation. I can't believe people are doing this to him. I'm upset. Who do we call? Frankie's crying. You like crying in the background? I just can't believe they robbing us like this. I love working at this shoe store. How can they do this to us?

[Frankie Quinones]

The new song.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, yo, that's real. I love that so much. That reminds me of. There was a Twitter thread that went, like, super viral a couple years ago, and it was a guy talking about how he would go to rental car places and rent out the exact same car that he had, and then he would swap his tires out for the rental car's tire.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's a good one, Obi. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, you know, that's the oldest trick in the book, you know? And look, I'm never gonna fault an employee at any business for not watching out for theft, because that's not your job. Like, these corporations do not pay enough money. They don't give health care. Most of the time. They're not giving benefits enough for me to be Go go Gadget Robocop, trying to make sure people don't steal things. I don't give a fuck. I remember I worked at a store and I had a manager. This was in college. And it was the summertime because my parents didn't let me work while I was in school. But during the summer, I didn't want to go home. So I would give me some little side hustle so I could stay in Pittsburgh and pretend that I was grown. And I worked at this one store, Aeropostale. And it's a scam in itself because Aeropost out is the bootleg Abercrombie.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's how you say it. I never knew how to pronounce.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody knows how to say it. Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm like, oh, Aeropost sound like some French shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Aeropostalem sound like it. Apostles. You work at Apostles. And it's a marketing ploy, but it's a scam, truly, where, like, there are certain stores that purport themselves as, like, the discount but the same quality. It was not the same quality as Abercrombie. And they also would always have sales. So every time you came into the store, everything was marked down, like 30%, 50%, but that was the actual price. You weren't getting a deal. They just know that the people who shop at these stores are looking for a bargain. So anytime they can go up to the register and get the little high of seeing the total was originally $600, and now it's only 32.99. They're like, oh, we really struck it big today. And it was like, no, it was never $600. There was always a sale in the store because it's not a sale. They see that, right? They're like, oh, man, we are cleaned up today. Like, you did it. You did it. It was always that praise, I promise you. I'm sorry to take that high away from you guys if you're a discount shopper, but if you go into a store every single time and it's always a discount, you should have known by now that they was lying to you. So I worked there, and I remember my manager, like, I was the worst employee. Like, look, I have integrity, so I'm not gonna come to work and slack off. But I just wasn't good at what they wanted me to do. I'm not good at folding shirts into little perfect squares. Like, the fuck. Like, I could do the register, you know, But I passed that. I was like, child, don't ask me to do nothing in here. Cling ting. I'm not. How y'all put the mannequin together. Shout out to people who work in retail. Cause y'all got skills that I don't. And I remember my manager used to work at Rainbow. She was telling us, like, you know, if people come in, like, at Rainbow, like, I had chased some girls out the store into the parking lot. Cause they stole stuff. And I was looking at her like, what?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

For Rainbow, first of all.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Yeah. Was she just into that? Did she want to be in. In law enforcement or.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like she wanted to be a cop. She was. She was. She saw Paul Blart, and she was inspired.

[Frankie Quinones]

She's all doing stretches, and I'm gonna get this motherfucker.

[Lacey Mosley]

She in the back room warming up before every shift.

[Frankie Quinones]

Get a good pace. Go.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, Also, I'm not with the Rainbow community. Look, there's types of Rainbow shoppers. You got college students and people who, you know, maybe don't have a lot of coin. And then you have people who are about that life. Those are the. So I'll say three different types of shoppers at Rainbow. I'm not trying to run up on the person who's about that life, who's stealing from Rainbow. Okay? I don't want to get cut. I don't want to get cut for some body fantasy. You know, body splash or a plastic shoe. What do I look like chasing you to the parking lot for rayon clothing?

[Frankie Quinones]

If I said shoe, that's.

[Lacey Mosley]

This shit is highly flammable. Why do I look like risking my life for kindling? No.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. So I'm with you. I'm with you, Frankie. We on the same page. That was very entertaining. I love that. For us, for both of us. But we're gonna get into our first segment here. What's Hot in Fraud? So, you know, guys, as always, snitch on your friends and [e-mail]. just make sure your scam is retired so we don't. What. Yes. Fuck up your bag. Normally, like, I for the past coup, now I've just been reading listener letters. But what's hot? And fraud is also where we warn listeners about scams that are popping in the street. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna hit y'all with something a little more generic today. Just because we haven't done a hot and fraud that wasn't a letter in a while. And also, y'all, look, I'm not trying to be critical, but the letters is too long. They too long. Truncate, please. I love you. And the inbox is for letters, not complaints. Don't send me no complaints. This podcast is free for you. I don't want to hear it. Okay, so today we're just going to talk in general, and I'm going to get into this in a lot more depth soon. But it keeps coming up in the Zeitgeist, and there are definitely some fun episodes that are going to pull up about this soon. But cryptocurrency, the beauty of cryptocurrency is it's pretty much an unregulated market, right? If you don't know what cryptocurrency is, most things actually are cryptocurrency. When you vidmo people, that's crypto. You know what I mean? Bitcoin, Ethereum. We've heard of the more established ones. Still to this day, no one knows who created bitcoin. It's an anonymous person from Japan. And what that did was give credence to other people being anonymous creating coins because we're like, oh, bitcoin's legitimate. It's so successful. This person didn't scam anybody, and they're anonymous. Perhaps it's just the way that things go. And unfortunately, that's led to a lot of people investing in cryptocurrency blindly, without knowing anything about it and get robbed. So, according to the sec, the US Government is concerned that the rising use of virtual currencies in the global marketplace might entice fraudsters to lure investors into Ponzi schemes and other schemes in which these currencies are used to facilitate fraudulent or simply fabricated investments or transactions. So the fraud may also involve unregistered offering or trading platforms. So, as I've said before, no shade to pancake. If you've ever seen Pancake, which it's called Pancake, that just don't sound like a place legit, right? It just doesn't sound like a place like, I'm not trying to sell bitcoins on angelmama.com I just feel like that's not a place that sounds legitimate. Like, we've heard of things like OpenSea where you can trade Bitcoin, Ethereum, things like that, and those are a little more legitimate. But if you're interested in doing this, one of the things that you really have to be looking into Is one. Spelling errors. You would be surprised how many fake crypto coins have come out and there was just riddled with spelling errors in the initial offering. It's like these scammers didn't have time to run this through Grammarly. Seriously, you would be shocked. You would.

[Frankie Quinones]

If you give me your formation. Like what?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Coin. That business. Yeah, yeah.legitimate.com.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, you know, like there's nothing super legit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Give me your information.org.org also PBS. Like, if you like, that's one thing. Like, if it's not a site like, that's been verified like opensea, you know, you're probably in some murky waters. Like, you can go to the sec.gov they have a whole thing about virtual currencies where you can learn about scams and how people are laundering crypto. There's definitely a famous couple that I'm going to talk about very soon where the wife is a rapper and a trader on Wall street and they just got locked up for trying to launder like $3.6 million in crypto.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Well, we're going to talk about that soon. Not this episode. But I did want to tease it just because it's starting to become more popular. We're seeing like, the Squid game. We talked about the Squid game coin where people were buying this coin and then the creators of it were anonymous and after a couple of days, they cashed out and took $3 million and just disappeared.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So it's just, I know everybody wants to get in on the thing of the future and I want y'all to have that too. I do, but be careful.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, that's correct. Just because you like the show, you're like, oh, they have a coin of it. Let me buy it up. Like, oh, come on, homie, it don't work like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. I can't believe that they got away with that.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, Scam got his coin.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, yeah. I drink it regularly. I'm like, I got a barrel that my homie came up on. Not saying, I can't.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're like, I drink it all the time, and it's free. I was always wondering why it was free. The homie came through with a barrel. I haven't had to buy liquor in years. I just.

[Frankie Quinones]

Crazy, man. It took him two years. So the homies that did the. That jacked it were just still working there, like, it was all good.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, let's see. That's a good inference. Let's see. I don't know who jacked it yet. I also think that's funny. If someone, like, gave you a barrel of bourbon, just, like, you don't even pour it into little bottles when you're going to parties. You just bring the barrel.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, been drinking out this for a year and a half now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. No, come to the trunk. Come to the trunk.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So significance of the pappy estate. So we can get a little backstory here. Every barrel of bourbon loses liquor to evaporation with every summer it ages. Distillers call that angel share. So they're saying, like, yeah, the angels.

[Frankie Quinones]

Got a drink too, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Instead of pouring some out for the homies, like, the spirits just come and take some sips every summer they having a hot girl summer up in heaven. Okay?

[Frankie Quinones]

The dead homies just come get them for themselves.

[Lacey Mosley]

All this time we've been pouring one out, and little did we know, every.

[Frankie Quinones]

Summer, like, damn, y'all greedy, man, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

All of our loved ones was getting turned. Love that for them. So when a barrel of papi is aged for 20 years or more, there are only five gallons to bottle after the two decades. So the Pappy is like a very famous, like, more expensive bourbon because it's aged for so long, you know, aging. Sometimes I'm like, oh, yeah, I can taste the difference. Sometimes it's just liquor. Like, I don't know if I need very old liquor.

[Frankie Quinones]

It puts something in your head, though, you know? Just like when you see the price knocked off at Arrow Possible. Whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, it's age 10 years, and you kind of. You want it to be good, you know? But at the same time, I've tasted some stuff that was 10 years age. It. It didn't taste like. It tastes like the next. The next shit, you know? I mean, I'm just saying, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It tastes like ethanol. Like, what do you. It's. It's alcohol, like. But I know people need hobbies, especially when they get rich and they don't know what to do with their money anymore. So then they're like, I got this bottle of wine off the Titanic. They said they pried it out of Jack's hands. They needed to be so old so they can feel like it's special. So I guess it's not uncommon for people to spend 1500-4000 dollars per bottle on the secondary market. The retail price is about 129.99 for the 20 year bottle and 249.99 for the 23 year bottle. That's actually not bad.

[Frankie Quinones]

I mean, I mean, yeah, it's not crazy. Crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

But for 23, for you to buy a bottle that can also is old enough to drink itself, like, I feel like almost $300.

[Frankie Quinones]

Old enough to drink itself.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? That's not crazy. You know what I mean? If you can buy a bottle that's like old enough to be Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriend, like, I feel like that's, that's not, that's, that's not a crazy price for that. The inflated price is strongly related to fabricated scarcity allocation lotteries, obsession with fabled quality, marking up the price on limited supplies. So the bottle itself, if you can get your hands on it, it's like Stockx. Like when all those hot new shoes come out, like Nike's pricing them appropriately, and then because there's such a limited finite amount, the people who resell can then get the bag.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right, right, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or like diamonds.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know there's a group of them. They just keeping them hostage, you know? Or you can always make another pair of shoes. It's just. Oh, no. But that's it, you know, it's like, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And then there's that high of like, you won. You won a shoe today. Honestly, shout out to y'all who like to get shoes off Stockx. Couldn't be me. I'm not playing the lotto for no footwear, okay? I'm going to the store, I'm sticking my foot in it, I'm walking around, and then I'm putting my old shoes in the box and I'm leaving. I go online. I go online and fight Internet people. Look at bots, look at all so nice. In 2013, authorities in Buffalo Trace's hometown of Frankfort, Kentucky, discovered that the distillery was bleeding bottles of Pepp Pappy Van Winkle. So this is that good shit that Pappy. So more than 200 bottles were missing, amounting to around $26,000 market value of stolen bourbon every year. Pappy Van Winkle bottles only, they release like seven to eight cases each year. So they're keeping it popping. They're keeping it. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta be Beyonce to get this whiskey on your lips.

[Frankie Quinones]

Limited. Yeah. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. If you want to be gone off that Pappy, you gotta know somebody.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So around 84,000 bottles is all they're releasing a year. With that limited supply, the was set ablaze. Enthusiasts around the world speculated who stole the bourbon and whether it meant they'd be able to get their hands and paws on a bottle. It wasn't until March 11, 2015 that authorities received an anonymous text and lead on who the thief actually was. I know, what a hater.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are a prime time hater. If Frankie pulled up to the party with a barrel of papyrus and was giving it out to everybody and then you ratted on Frankie, that's wrong.

[Frankie Quinones]

Get all drunk off the shit and then like, you know, right? This ain't right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, Definitely had some sips. Definitely had some sips and was like, can I fill up a little bottle for myself? And he was like, nah, nah, you know, I gotta make this last. And he was like, okay, bet. Hello, 91 1.

[Frankie Quinones]

I love how he texted. I'm gonna text the 911. Yeah, I don't feel like talking right now. I'm too drunk off this, but I'mma. I'mma text.

[Lacey Mosley]

How did you text 911? Like, you said some. You said some sad face emoji said, hello. Police robbery emoji, sad face emoji. Like, what? How did you do this? Imagine if you could text 911. Like, what show? It's not that much of emergency, huh?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, what y'all doing? Hey, man. My homie, he's.

[Lacey Mosley]

What a hater. So the text said that Gilbert Toby Kurtzinger, a 45 year old senior employee of the Buffalo Trace Distillery, had stolen some barrels of bourbon on his property. Or he had stolen barrels of bourbon on his property. So, Frankie, you were right. You were right. I love how when a like a story from a guest ties into the. There's no way you would have known. Like, you were right this side job.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I mean, this dude, he's giving January 6th, 6th, you know, he's giving some vibes.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I don't know if I feel sorry for him yet. I feel like he was definitely at the Capitol. I Feel like he was out there giving people papy and slinging hot dogs.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like he had a grill set up at the insurrection. I don't know yet. I don't know if I'm on his side. We'll see. So when deputies rolled up to Toby's rural estate, they found five barrels of bourbon under a tarp with the distillery's name painted over. Okay. Oh, damn.

[Frankie Quinones]

So they were jacking whole Barre barrels.

[Lacey Mosley]

Toby. Not Toby. You couldn't take the. The liquor out the barrels. Get you some cute mason jars. Have a mason jar moment.

[Frankie Quinones]

You're just gonna put a tarp over it on your own property?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, don't you work at the distillery? Like, wouldn't you know that leaving it in the barrels means that when it's hot outside, the Angel's about to be getting lit on your.

[Frankie Quinones]

How does nobody not notice him with a big ass barrel? Just where is he loading it up and, like, just driving.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's on a rural estate.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, okay. He's on. He's on a rural state, you know, he ain't seen real estate.

[Lacey Mosley]

We ain't checking for barrels. We ain't checking to see. Look, people are hauling tarps around here all the time. Body bags. We don't look.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's all we do around here.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's all we do. We thought he'd found some oil or something. We all know, so. Thought he got really into pickling, you know? We don't know. So those barrels turned out to be from another distillery. However, despite deputies not finding a drop of Pepe on the property, Toby was arrested when they found a photo on his cell phone of six bottles of Pappy Van Winkle in the front seat of his truck. Okay. He couldn't just have bought that, though.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is that enough to arrest somebody?

[Frankie Quinones]

Wait, so he's taking photos of it in the passenger seat? Like, look, I got one to show somebody.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, he probably had a little seat belt around it or something.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. On a little car seat with a belt around it, like, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Got a precious cargo.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't understand. I don' so the barrels ended up being from a different distillery, so they couldn't say that he stole the barrels of the Pappy. But then they're like, oh, well, we saw this picture on your cell phone, so we're gonna take you in. I don't understand. Like, I feel like I could have pictures of liquor bottles in my phone and. Doesn't mean I stole them. Is that enough evidence?

[Frankie Quinones]

I feel like no, but he just had the photos. Or he was probably was using them to, like, text to people. Like, hey, check it out. This is what I got this week. Or. And who's buying this shit? Like, damn, this is crazy, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And look, they said they found a photo of six bottles in the front seat of his car. So it. It's not like it's six photos. And he was like, I got that pappy. I got that pap. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I guess so. Franklin County Sheriff Pat Melton held a press conference declaring Toby the leader of the bourbon theft ring and considered it case closed. Now, why y'all holding press conferences for stolen booze? Like, I just feel like, uh, oh, oh, hell no. They put the liquor on the table like it was drugs.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, it's a big drug bus and shit. Like, they got 85 kilos of cocaine and. And, bro, that's three bottles of bourbon. How is that helping keep the community safe?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it's literally seven bottles. And they. Okay. Why they put it on top of the bear. This is what kills me is when police officers try to stage a bus, and they know the bus ain't giving what it's supposed to be giving, and they put the. So the bottle comes with, like, a little sleeve. Like, a little, like. You know how crown royal bottles have that little, like.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, like a velvet sleeve.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, like a velvet sleeve. So they have put the bottles up on the barrel, and we'll put this post on the Instagram so y'all can see, too. And they've put the sleeve underneath each one. Like, they're displaying it. Like they. And they spread them out.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, my God. And look at this. This the sheriff's face. He's so proud. Like, oh, we did it, Charlie.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, like, not. Y'all zooming in. Marina, who's zooming in on the sheriff's face. I hate to hear it. I hate. Yo, this is so embarrassing. No, it's hilarious. Thank you, Marina. She said, my bad. I'm like, no, it's hilarious comedy.

[Frankie Quinones]

I mean, Franklin county does not have shit cracking for this to be the big story, bro.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y'all are bored. Y'all are bored. So y'all must. Y'all must be like the cartoon sheriffs who, like, got the. The one jail with the bars, and they asleep next to the jail cell while the criminal figures out how to get the keys through the bars. Cars. Like, this is a sleepy ass town, bro. Y'all got one police car. Everybody sharing it.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, man. How does this dude, catch anybody too?

[Lacey Mosley]

Man, y'all got one gun. When you finish your shift, you got to put it back and sign out. Honestly, I don't know. Like, this. This is hilarious. And had the gall to have a press conference for this.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

A press conference. Like, oh, the streets are so much safer now that this.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, like, families are watching this. Like, oh, thank God. God. Oh, we can. We can leave the doors unlocked again.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. I thought. I thought the Pappy was gonna get my kids. My kids was about to have a.

[Frankie Quinones]

New dad commercial for Pappy and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. Like, I. This is so. This is so embarrassing. Are you not embarrassed? So they closed the case. He's like in his uniform. He's like, we did it, Joe. It's over. However, there was a much larger story than the simple 200 bottle whiskey heist. So mind you, it's a 200 bottle whiskey heist, Right. They found what looks to be seven, because I feel like if they had all 200, we would have seen all of them on display. There's no way in hell they already.

[Frankie Quinones]

Got there somewhere else or they got drank already or.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, there's no way in hell Sheriff Bootleg wasn't going to put all 200 bottles out on display if he had them. He only has seven. So Toby, the sort of mastermind. So Toby first started working for buffalo trace in 1989, back when it was still owned by Schindley Distillery Corporation. And not the size, you know, Sazerac company. So it had been acquired later. So this is when it was still the Shinleys. The Schindley was like, you know, the bourbon trap queens. They was cooking it up, you know, on the stove back then. So back then, employees often dipped into the white Dog, an unaged whiskey, almost like nail polish remover. Wow. So. Ooh, yeah. It's giving hooch. So, you know, before the whiskey had really had time to marinate and get seasoned, they would just dip into it and take that white dog.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oof, that white dog.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oof. Yeah. White dog sounds like something that it just tears your throat up.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like your throat is just screaming when you swallow some white dog. I remember there was like, in the beginning of COVID there was a country that was offering people like Covid, like kits, and something in the kit included, like, a little bottle of Hennessy. And I remember thinking, like, I don't know if something could kill Covid at the time. I was like, it's probably Hennessy because Hennessy burns the throat so aggressively.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, yeah, you swig Too hard. That's a sipper, homie. Hennessy. But if you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, honestly, it's a nothing. Don't drink Hennessy. It's terrible. Unless they sponsor the show. And then.

[Frankie Quinones]

Hennessy, Hennessy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pour it on your wings.

[Frankie Quinones]

I bathe in Hennessy every day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Every day. And obviously, in no way I'm saying I'm not. Y'all know I'm not an anti vaxxer or a fake Covid person. I'm not saying that it actually does anything. Like, if anything gonna rip your throat out, it sounds like some white dog or some Hennessy's gonna rip it out. So Toby first started bootlegging when he was assigned to Buffalo Trace Warehouse that had housed bourbon that didn't meet production standards. So this is the bourbon that didn't turn out so good. When more than a number of barrels accumulated, he joked to his boss that he could take care of them. And his boss agreed. So it started as a joke. Like, ha, ha. Wouldn't it be crazy if, like, I just took all these barrels?

[Frankie Quinones]

Wouldn't it be crazy if I took all these Air Force ones bosses, Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That'd be crazy. Right? That'd be crazy. If I gave you a cut of the profits when I saw them. That would be. Nah, y'all know I'll be joking. Y'all know I'm a jokester. You know, they said that was my nickname in high school. The jokester. Yeah, yeah, but if you got like, I don't know, like, 40 of the profit, we do the math.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's an extra 23, 2700amonth.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know I'm crazy. Now y'all know me just be crazy.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wait, but you said it's the bourbon that didn't turn out that good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So this is the bourbon that didn't meet the standard. Now, I don't know what their standards are, especially because this is the usa, so, like, you know, they allow a certain amount of bugs and rats and food. Right. You know, this is the place in the US where they advertise when they have real meat in food. So.

[Frankie Quinones]

You know, this was alive at one time. Like, we ain't joking.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that's for real meats that we selling. Like, why y'all putting that in the commercial? Was it not always meats? So I don't know what the standards were that liquor didn't meet. Cause I feel like liquor should probably meet every standard. So this began their enterprise of selling stolen whiskey. He and his friends continued on in the following years, though more often they stuck to the less expensive bottles like Buffalo Trace and the Ancient Age. So they weren't bootlegging the expensive shit. They were just bootlegging the not so good quality, great value, whatever. So they were able to get away with it because up until recently, bourbon wasn't all that popular as a liquor of choice. Yeah, I get that. I get that. I don't know. When did that change? Did a rapper start rapping about it? Because I feel like.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, right. I feel like bourbon's been a thing for a minute, but, yeah. Yeah. That's interesting, though, because I'm like. In a way, it sounds like he was helping him out. Like, oh, this is the shit that didn't come out good, so I'm gonna take it and sign it to the homies, but. Right, but he was jacking those pappy bottles, right? If he had pictures of them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So eventually they must have moved up into something a little bit more criminal, I guess. That's interesting to me, though, because the popularity of liquor. I was shocked at how much the popularity of liquor has also hinged on popular music. Like, mostly rap music. There's so many contracts. I wouldn't have known what Nuvo was if it wasn't for T Pain. It was like, she got drinks of the nouveau. The nouveau, the nouveau. And I was like, nu. Drake put the whole world on Moscato. Musket wine, a dessert wine, FYI. But, you know, he started talking about Moscato, and the girls were like, I don't know. Let's pick it up. Let's see what it's giving. The funniest product placement I've ever heard, though, was definitely Beyonce's, because, like, normally they'll do, like. They're like, oh, you know, rappers would be like, oh, we popping Cristal. And then when Cristal was like, we don't want you Browns drinking our liquor, they're like, all right, then fuck Cristal. And they ruined that brand, rightfully so. And I'm happy about it. Cristal sounds like something that should be in a rap song, you know? Yeah, yeah, Cristal, Ace of Spades, you know, they sound like things you want to hear. But, like, I remember Beyonce had mentioned Yamazaki whiskey, which is a Japanese whiskey. So technically, it's not a whiskey, because it has to come from Scotland to be a whiskey. It has to come from. Yes. It's like champagne France. Like, you can't. It's all Prosecco if it's not from champagne. But she mentioned Yamazaki, which There's some very expensive Yamazakis. Like, I remember we used to sell one that was like $300 a shot. But just hearing Yamazaki in a song, I was like, this is product placement.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, yeah, she's getting paid for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Doesn't sound like Cristal. It's not like we all gone off that absolute. Yeah, we love Blue Moon, my niggas. Like, what?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, Blue Moon. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

It just didn't sound as organic as the other ones.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right, right. Jay Z, back in the day, he was. He would always drop Patron in there. We were. We were drinking that all the time, and it just made us feel cooler that Jay Z's rapping about it. We're like, yeah, homie, we're getting it. We're getting that rip.

[Lacey Mosley]

Patron had a comm. Patron had a hold on the community. It was not good. We needed to stop drinking it, and it had a hold on us.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, we did.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, that was Paul Mitchell's brand. The guy who did hair care stuff also had. George Clooney had bought it and sold it.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

He.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait, was Patron from Casamigos. I thought Casamigos was something that he started with his homeboy.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, it's different, right? Yeah, but he used. Yeah, yeah. It was all. He's. He knows that game, you know, that was a marketing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like George marketing. You ain't ever been to nobody's casa. You ain't got no Migos. He was like, what are we gonna call this to really make people think it's legitimate? Tequila Casa Amigos. Yeah, Casamigos by George Clooney.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Sounds legit, homie.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let's buy that. How did he get away with that? Hell. Oh, I love it for him.

[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

It wasn't until the early 2000s and the premiere of Amy C. Or excuse me, AMC's Mad Men that the industry truly exploded. So entertainment. Like, we were talking about crazy.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Don Draper would be at the ad office at 8am sipping on some bourbon.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Like, okay, you know what? This is good. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

We've never seen alcoholism look so cute and so stable. It's just like they're wearing suits. So, yeah, they can drink at 8:30 in the morning. They have on suits. They work at advertisement. They gotta be businessmen. Yeah, they're businessmen of business. You can't.

[Frankie Quinones]

But yeah, like, bourbon also is like, it has to be made in Kentucky to be called bourbon, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Kentucky. Yeah. To be bourbon. Yeah. So Toby and his coworkers, workers were at work in 2013 when the news hit about the 200 missing pappy van Winkle bottles. And they were like, oh, damn. I don't know who did that. I'm upset. We gonna go in the room and cry. No managers coming here. We just need to talk outside alone. So the distillery only produced a limited amount of Pappy. Like, we know they were surprised because 200 missing bottles would have been noticed. Right. Also, there was no single theft of the bottles and no single single thief. So they didn't know who did it. It's a lot. They're like, if you're gonna steal Pappy, like steal like one bottle, like you gonna steal 200. Like, we're definitely gonna know. Although I love it. Get it all in one fell swoop. That's what I say.

[Frankie Quinones]

They got em all at once.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's what they were surprised because they were like, bro, y'all didn't think we was gonna notice. Y'all just took all the liquor out.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, they got greedy. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So that didn't stop Toby from acquiring more bottles and selling them at top dollar, playing off the hype of people wanting to buy whiskey from the famous heist. So now he's selling it as heist whiskey. Like, definitely whiskey. Oh, it's got a story. It's got a story. I wanted to dance on my taste buds. Stolen whiskey. Just knowing the robbery was involved. Yeah, yeah. No, you could taste the robbery. Let it linger on your palate.

[Frankie Quinones]

Tastes dangerous, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

So consequently, it was the 2013 heist that turned Toby into the mastermind. The cops thought that they pulled off the heist. Originally, he gained a reputation for knowing and bringing in sellers. So coworkers looking to sell bourbon would bring their stolen bourbon to him to sell or sell it for him. So now he became like the distro. So if you slanging bourbon, you can't.

[Frankie Quinones]

Go through Toby, call up Toby. He got it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody's selling whiskey in this town without Toby involved. Toby always gets a cut. I figured Tony probably owns a lot of guns now. So consequently, it was in 2013 Heist that he's a mastermind. Now, he gained a reputation for knowing everything. He got everybody involved. So despite the fact that he was apparently a grade A asshole.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, what? They say he was an asshole?

[Lacey Mosley]

They said he was an asshole of a coworker who'd sabotage others work if they didn't do exactly what he wished. So he had a God compliment complex.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

One of the older, the other cold workers said Toby often had a silence.22 caliber. See, we said guns.22 caliber pistol that he fired in the parking lot of Buffalo Trace into a dirt pile where other people could see. So he also wanted people to know he had that thing on him.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, damn. Okay, so Toby would just add loose cannon that needed to be shut down.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was drunk with power and probably also literally drunk.

[Frankie Quinones]

Drunk out there shooting guns at work. Like, bam. Look at me. Get this. Pappy put it in my truck.

[Lacey Mosley]

At your place of employment. At your place of employment.

[Frankie Quinones]

Come on now.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they didn't fire you. Everybody knew you was just outside shooting guns. And everybody was like, this is fine.

[Frankie Quinones]

How did he get caught?

[Lacey Mosley]

You work at a liquor place. Liquor and guns don't mix.

[Frankie Quinones]

No. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the grand crime ring chef. So Sheriff Milton, Corny old Sheriff Milton, he's back in the mix. What he thought he was exposing was more of an unorganized bunch of friends who openly communicated crimes over text and were relatively incompetent, enabled by people who were more incompetent. According to a former Buffalo Trace supervisor, Pappy bottles were kept locked in a cage. And we have a image from the Netflix show Heist. And this is about the Pappy gate heist. So there's already a Netflix show about. Huh. They have.

[Frankie Quinones]

They have on display like they're at the store, like they're at Costco and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Also, this fence looks very much like. I could take wire cutters to it. It's not giving security like y'all thought it was. And why are the bottles on display like this? Like, why? This is not a safe.

[Frankie Quinones]

Don't steal these.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's a literal cage. It's. It's giving, like, barbed wire fence. Not even. I don't even think that the wire is barbed. Okay. So there was a faulty door and easily removable hinges that maintenance failed to properly w. So anybody can get into this bitch. Inventory was only done with the bourbon in the cage, not when it was removed. So the barrel police. The barrels police found on Turli's property also turned out to be barrels from Wild Turkey that a friend had dumped on him with no warning that he had been desperately trying to get rid of. So this is. So Remember when they were like, oh, these barrels aren't from Pappy. So I guess he could just have them. They were from Wild Turkey. Somebody at Wild Turkey had pulled up and was like, take these. And he was like, okay. So when authorities got to a second warrant to enter Toby's home, they discovered he had also been trafficking in multiple varieties of steroids, including Anavar, Diana Ball and Human Growth.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, my God. Also, Toby is just a savage, homie, just in all the wrong ways. He's shooting guns, stealing barrels, shooting up roids. I don't get.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's probably why he was an. Because he's like, on steroids and drunk and shooting guns.

[Frankie Quinones]

I do not give a fuck.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? He's. I don't give a fuck. I'm hopped up. I'm hopped up. So I'm on that brown and I'm on the steroids. So they also found needles for injecting steroids. Numerous firearms, including a backpack full of handguns and a pink rifle. Ooh, pink rifle.

[Frankie Quinones]

Whoa.

[Lacey Mosley]

That sounds kind of fun. Cash and a very large safe. Toby was arrested along with eight other co conspirators, including his wife. Damn. Not the wifey. And father in law charged with bootlegging and drug dealers. Oh, yeah, his wife, she giving Ozark. She giving like he got the whole.

[Frankie Quinones]

Family in her ear.

[Lacey Mosley]

She bought that life like this woman.

[Frankie Quinones]

Well, if he's convincing his co workers what to do, then, you know, he's getting the family too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So Toby was charged with operating a legitimate crime ring under Kentucky's Racketeering laws. All of but one of the co defendants ended up taking a plea deal and charges were dropped against Toby's father in law due to lack of evidence. Okay, father in law got out today himself plea. So Toby himself pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 15 years in prison too long. But was released after serving just a month on shock probation. Wait, now what?

[Frankie Quinones]

Shock probation?

[Lacey Mosley]

That sounds very Caucasian because I ain't never heard of shock provision in my Life. You got 15 years and they said, okay, after a month, you good? They said they deemed him not to be a danger to society. Now listen, I will say bootlegging and stealing bourbon like you don't need to go to jail for 15 years. That's taxpayer dollars and stuff. But the fact that he was shooting.

[Frankie Quinones]

Guns and shooting up roids and shooting guns and at work, now that that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Math ain't mapping, that math in particular of shooting guns and being roided up at work, I kind of feel like maybe you should have did a little bit more of a bid for that dude.

[Frankie Quinones]

Only a white person would get, you know, no offense to all my white homies out there, but 15 year sentence and then get knocked down to a month. I mean, come on, cuz.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shock probation is used by judges to give criminals an initial shock of prison before releasing them on probation in the hopes that their experience will deter them from future crimes. That sounds very Caucasian.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like look who just. He's got a whole life ahead of him, okay? He's got so many more roids to do, so much more bourbon to drink. We'll just, we're just gonna scare him a little bit. We'll give him 15 years, but he'll only go to jail for a month.

[Frankie Quinones]

That motherfucker. Shooting up steroids right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right now. And guns. Shooting steroids and guns. So despite the thefts, Buffalo Trace experienced a boom in sales thanks to the publicity. So honestly, like, like who really lost here? Additionally, as a result, having to audit their near non existent inventory control and HR policies, the Sazer company spent $70 on a new automated warehouse. What? $70? I'm confused there. There has to be a typo there. Oh, I get it. So they had an audit and because they had all this inventory stolen, they basically got to be like, oh well, we never got to sell that and we never. So they could basically beef up the security of their warehouse for almost free because they got to write off all the theft.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh my God. I feel like whatever. Buffalo Trace is the one that Got Toby out of jail because they're like, hey, you know what? We need to get him out, man. Sales are through the roof, right, Toby?

[Lacey Mosley]

You can keep bootleg, actually. Toby, you want to go on a press tour? Do you want to be the face of Buffalo Trace? Do you want to be Pappy? You are papping now. Somebody get this man a beard. He became Colonel Sanders, but for Buffalo Trace.

[Frankie Quinones]

All righted out.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, no, you can keep shooting your guns, but only in the parking lot, Toby. Only in the parking lot. Then you gotta stop. So of the little stolen bourbon that was recovered, all of it was slated to be destroyed under Kentucky law. Whether that bourbon made it all the way to the grave at. At a hazardous materials landfill or not was never revealed. So this. All this bourbon was supposed to be. Are you kidding me? They sold that bourbon. They were like, get some bourbon. That should never be.

[Frankie Quinones]

Are they? Yeah, come on. A bunch of Kentucky cops just being like, okay, you guys know the law here. We got to just dump this in the landfill. Like that. Definitely not happening on me yet.

[Lacey Mosley]

They drove to the landfill and they passed that out amongst themselves.

[Frankie Quinones]

You gonna get up today, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

But not in the car, guys. Not in the car. Yeah, they took their one cop car car and pretended that that one cop car and pretended that they had to.

[Frankie Quinones]

Run a U Haul trailer and attach it to their one cop car right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y'all know damn well y'all didn't destroy none of their bourbon. Y'all sipping on it right now, and I love that for you. All right, guys, it's time for scammer of the week. This is where we highlight one charlatan who's maybe worthy of our praise. Maybe not. We'll see. So there's recently been a scourge of fake high end whiskey staying on the whiskey, I guess, being sold in local liquor stores. Scammers are continuing to capitalize off the steel, growing whiskey craze and taking advantage of buyers whose knowledge is inversely proportional to their wealth. So basically, stupid people who are rich. Oh, so. Oh, no. So they slanging pappy, but it's fake pappy.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, see, that ain't pappy.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's papa. Yeah, not y'all slanging that Papa. No. So with the pandemic causing both transport issues and glass shortages, supply has vastly outstripped the demand of the super premium whiskey industry. That doubled in the last five years. Empty Pappy bottles even go up for, like, up to like, $100 on eBay. As recently as the past month, an Insider Edition Producer purchased a bottle from Acker, a liquor store in the Upper east side of Manhattan. So now they in New York. They buying whiskey. The whiskey, a bourbon called C O L e H Taylor 4 grain, came without its traditional cardboard tube and had a backwards sticker. Okay, so y'all not even trying. Still, Acker assured the producer it was legitimate and sold it for $1,000. Upon analysis, it turned out to have been emptied and refilled with a much cheaper whiskey. Shout out to the store salesman, damn, I'm not mad at him. He got that Wild Turkey and was like, fill her up.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, let me go. Half Wild Turkey, half Jameson. Yeah, it tastes good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Put a little cinnamon in there. That'll throw him off. So in 2017, a Swiss hotel was criticized for selling the world's most expensive whiskey, a 1878 single malt Macassar, to a Chinese tourist. Later analysis showed that it was a blended Scotch made sometime after 1970. I mean, that's still. Oh, it's not. It's a. It's a. It's a thousand years behind. It's a little behind where it was supposed to be, but it's not that bad. Actually, it's a hundred years. I can't do math. It's 100 years behind where it was supposed to be.

[Frankie Quinones]

You're like, a thousand years.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was thinking that too. I was like, I don't think we've been around that long.

[Frankie Quinones]

Moses and Noah are drinking all this shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is the wine Jesus made from the water. We got a barrel. It's that good shit. Okay. It's that Jesus vino. Okay.

[Frankie Quinones]

That Jesus over that Jesus. Oh, my.

[Lacey Mosley]

You ain't hear DJ Khaled talk about this in his new rap song, that Jesus. So distilleries are slow to action, though. Buffalo Trace has begun including security tags on the tops of its highly sought after antique collection. When scanned with the app, the tags tell you if the bottle's been opened and when. Okay. As the high value of high end bourbons continues to explode, so does the amount of fraud. And not even the most luxury bars have been able to escape it. I mean, if you feel like you're drinking a $300 drink, aren't you? Isn't there already a seed markup at bars?

[Frankie Quinones]

That's how I feel. I'm like, if you're. If they got you and there's so many people that walked away, probably like, oh, man, that was delicious.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was great.

[Frankie Quinones]

I got my money's worth and worth the harm. You know what I mean.

[Lacey Mosley]

And honestly, isn't it more about the flex of being able to purchase it than it is about the actual taste? Like when people go to nightclubs and they buy bottle service, and I've seen people sign $50,000 checks for bottle service. And even more than that, it's not a about the bottles. This is about the fact that you can do that.

[Frankie Quinones]

Just the flashiness, the look of it, you know? Like. I mean, how many actual, like, real bourbon connoisseurs, liquor connoisseurs, are in the club being like, oh, you know what this tastes like? It's 20 years off here. You know, we ain't doing it. We're at the club. Yeah. You know, let me get a shot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Frankie, I just want you to be at the club as a bourbon sommelier. And in the back, it's like, throw that ass in a circle. And Frankie's like, hold on.

[Frankie Quinones]

Can I see the bottle, please? I got a little Monaco and.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay, I'm getting chestnut. Throw in a circle. Said rhubarb. Like. Like what? No, also, I mean, it's all the eye of the beholder. Like, anything that has a value put to it is a value simply because we've decided it has that value.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's it. You know what I mean? If I had a hanger, and I was like, this is the hanger. The original Joan Carroll. Is it Joan Carroll. Not Joan Carroll, but the original. No more white of hangers. This is. This is the. The hanger that she was holding.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, what? How much you. Yeah, yeah, it's Joan Crawford.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. If I was like Joan Crawford. See, it still got a little bit of comet on it from when she was beating. Beating her down. Like, if I. Like, then the hanger's worth a lot of money, and it's like. It's a hanger. So I don't feel bad for people getting duped by this kind of stuff, because it's just like, if you have enough money to spend a stack on alcohol.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You'll be okay.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Even if you barely have enough money to spend on it. I don't feel bad for you either, because you're dumb enough to spend your money on that. Dumb.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It all does the same thing. I mean, I'm glad that you can feel better about your buzz. You're just like, no, this is a meal. This isn't alcohol. This is a.

[Frankie Quinones]

This a Jesus.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. No Jesus. Definitely Jesus put his foot in this one. Okay. This must have been after she washed his feet that he put that he made this wine cuz he put his foot all in this one. For sure. For sure.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm chasing little Jesus big toe in this one.

[Lacey Mosley]

That little Jesus is big toe.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm weak.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, guys, that brings us to the end of another fantastic episode. Frankie, thank you so much for being here.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, Lacy, thanks for having me.

[Lacey Mosley]

We always ask, ask, where do you want to be found? Anything you want to promote? Any place you want people to find you on the interwebs, watch you. Obviously, there's the HBO Max Special, but, like, go, like, go off because I want people to see more of your comp. You're so funny. Oh.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, thank you. Yeah, yeah, you can see Super Homies, HBO Max Special, but the Frankie Quinones show podcast this thing, I'm most excited right now. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network. You know, it's scripted. It's like character scene sketches. So we're having a lot of fun with it. It's a lot of work, but, yeah, it's a lot of fun. And, yeah, I'm pumped about that. And then also, we just finished filming a Hulu show called this Full that's going to be premiering in July of this year. So I'm excited about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Come on, Frankie. You better be working. You better have all the jobs and employments. Yes. We love to see y'all get into Frankie's podcast. Are episodes out now?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, we're. We're about 12 episodes in already.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, okay. That sounds like a binge to me. Okay. I love a good binge. I like to wait till a series fully comes out so I can get to the end of it. I'm not trying to wait.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, me too, too. That's why I was like, you know, I'm excited that now we got enough for. I'm like, yeah, go listen to it now. Because if you say, go listen to it, they go, hey, where's the rest of it? I'm like, oh, we're just getting started.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. I love it. Guys, get into Frankie's work. He's fantastic as always. Guys, if you want to send us a letter Scam got a spot at Gmail dot com. Snitch on your friends and family. If you want to see the sheriff flexing with these seven bottles. If you want to see any of the images that we talked about today that are hilarious. Scam got his pod on all platforms, but the Instagram is where I drop the photos. And if you want to follow me and my nonsense, d I V A L Cid Releasing on all platforms. Congregation Stay Scammin Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay Scheming.

[Frankie Quinones]

This has been a Team Coco production.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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