Fraud Friday: The Hot Girl Scammer w/ Naomi Ekperigin

Summary

Scam Goddess: Fraud Friday – The Hot Girl Scammer with Naomi Ekperigin

Episode Release Date: March 21, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of Scam Goddess, hosted by Laci Mosley (also known as Scam Goddess), she is joined by comedian Naomi Ekperigin to delve into the intricacies of scam artistry, both personal and historical. The episode is a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and a deep dive into the criminal exploits of a notable scammer, Tracy Hutsona. As always, Laci brings her unique comedic perspective to the world of fraud, making the dark subject matter engaging and entertaining.

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Host’s Personal Scam Experience: The Massage Scam ([05:08] - [21:03])

Laci Mosley opens the episode by sharing a recent personal experience where she fell victim to a fraudulent massage service. She recounts how a friend, Laura Chen, took her to a massage parlor with the promise of relaxation. However, what was intended to be a soothing experience turned into a distressing encounter.

• Broken Equipment and Unprofessional Conduct:

  • [11:17] Laci describes arriving late to the appointment, leading to a rushed session where the neck cradle equipment malfunctioned: “...it just falls off the table. So now I'm like, neck hanging off, head hanging off the table.”

• Inappropriate Behavior and Boundary Violations:

  • [14:24] As the massage proceeds, the masseur exhibits unprofessional behavior by sliding his hand under her and making inappropriate comments, forcing Laci into uncomfortable physical positions.

• Emotional Impact and Lessons Learned:

  • [20:13] Reflecting on the ordeal, Laci emphasizes the importance of setting boundaries and speaking up: “So guys just know, look, it's okay to say no.” She admits to feeling conflicted about addressing the situation but ultimately acknowledges the need to prioritize her well-being.

Notable Quotes:

• [17:57] Judith: “Yeah.”
• [21:03] Laci: “...it’s all good.”

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Discussion on Boundaries and Personal Growth ([21:07] - [52:59])

Laci and Judith Kargbo engage in a candid conversation about personal boundaries, the importance of self-protection, and the challenges of trusting others. They explore themes of self-worth, resilience, and the fine balance between being approachable and guarding against potential threats.

• Using Humor to Set Boundaries:

  • [47:08] Judith suggests leveraging humor to establish boundaries, making it easier to deflect unwanted advances without confrontation: “...if you say it cute and funny, they don't know that you just said, back up off me.”

• The Complexity of Trusting Others:

  • [52:15] Laci reflects on the intricacies of trust, especially when past experiences have been marred by deceit: “Don’t believe in people, okay?”

Notable Quotes:

• [52:24] Laci: “Don't believe in nobody, y'all.”
• [52:30] Judith: “Absolutely. Absolutely.”

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Story of Tracy Hutsona ([30:00] - [59:40])

In the second segment titled Historic Hoodwinks, Laci Mosley introduces Tracy Hutsona, a notorious scammer whose criminal activities span decades. The segment provides a detailed account of Tracy’s fraudulent schemes, her methods, and her eventual downfall.

Background and Early Crimes:

• Initial Scams and Escalation:

  • [31:20] Laci outlines Tracy's early scams, starting with her luxury concierge service and TikTok-viral restaurants: “...she was arrested this past February on charges of wire fraud and identity theft.”

• High-Profile Theft:

  • [36:56] Tracy's audacious theft involved stealing over a million dollars from Jumana Kidd, an actress and ex-wife of NBA star Jason Kidd, by manipulating her financial accounts and opening unauthorized credit cards in her name.

Legal Consequences:

• Arrests and Sentencing:
  • [46:49] Despite her extensive criminal record, which includes multiple arrests and even a dismissed case for an alleged prison escape, Tracy continues her fraudulent activities until her arrest in February 2020. She was sentenced to 75 months in prison for her crimes.

Continued Operations and Implications:

• Business Operations Despite Conviction:
  • [48:54] Remarkably, Tracy's business ventures, including Breakfast Bitch and Elite Lux Life, remain operational even after her conviction, highlighting the persistence and adaptability of seasoned scammers.

Notable Quotes:

• [35:16] Judith: “I think you might want to bring her on the pod and just, like, learn from her.”
• [43:19] Judith: “That's what I'm saying. You are putting your bare booty on that sheet.”
• [57:24] Laci: “She needed just one good ass whooping.”

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways ([59:35] - End)

As the episode wraps up, Laci and Judith reflect on the stories shared, emphasizing the importance of vigilance against scams and the value of personal boundaries. They reiterate the necessity of learning from past experiences to protect oneself from future fraudulent schemes.

• Empowerment Through Awareness:

  • [60:12] Laci underscores the significance of recognizing red flags and taking proactive measures to safeguard personal information and finances.

• Humorous Reflections:

  • [61:03] Judith adds a humorous take on self-protection, blending comedy with practical advice: “Look at me. Look at me.”

Notable Quotes:

• [66:07] Judith: “We're in a relationship. Also, check out my podcast, Couples Therapy.”
• [67:27] Laci: “This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco.”

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Key Insights and Conclusions

1. Personal Vigilance is Crucial: Laci’s experience highlights the importance of being cautious and aware of one’s surroundings to prevent falling victim to scams.

2. Setting Boundaries: Establishing and maintaining personal boundaries can effectively deter potential scammers and protect one’s well-being.

3. Understanding Scammers: Tracy Hutsona’s story illustrates the sophistication and persistence of seasoned fraudsters, emphasizing the need for continual vigilance.

4. Humor as a Defense Mechanism: Utilizing humor can be an effective strategy to deflect unwanted attention and assert boundaries without confrontation.

5. Resilience and Learning: Both hosts demonstrate resilience in the face of deceit, advocating for learning from past experiences to better guard against future scams.

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Notable Quotes with Attributions

• Laci Mosley: “...it just falls off the table. So now I'm like, neck hanging off, head hanging off the table.” ([11:17])
• Judith Kargbo: “No panties. You are putting your bare booty on that sheet.” ([10:31])
• Laci Mosley: “So guys just know, look, it's okay to say no.” ([20:13])
• Judith Kargbo: “I'm very with you on that. Whole point of massage is like, serenity and calm.” ([12:51])
• Laci Mosley: “Don't believe in people, okay?” ([52:19])
• Judith Kargbo: “Absolutely. Absolutely.” ([52:52])
• Laci Mosley: “She needs to stand tall and stand strong in her truth.” ([57:24])
• Judith Kargbo: “Wow, that is so funny. I love when people like sort of weaponize self help language.” ([60:50])
• Laci Mosley: “This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco.” ([67:27])

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Conclusion

This episode of Scam Goddess effectively blends personal storytelling with a historical examination of fraud, offering listeners both entertainment and valuable lessons on avoiding scams. Through humor and candid conversations, Laci and Naomi provide insightful commentary on the nature of deceit and the importance of self-protection in an increasingly fraudulent world.

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Stay scheming, Congregation! Join us next Tuesday for more tales of fraud and laughter, and don't forget to check out our classic episodes every Friday.

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Naomi Paragon]

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[Judith Kargbo]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Naomi Paragon]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Naomi Paragon]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Frau, is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming scams. Cause Robbery and fraud.

[Judith Kargbo]

Scam. CA Robbery and fraud.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scam. Got it. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess, Webby winner. Scam Goddess, honey. AKA Lacey Moseley. I just want to thank all the scammers out there who congregation y'all pulled up and y'all scammed crime and justice for us. Like, we beat out the ABC Epstein trial, which arguably, way more compelling than crime and justice, seeing as we are all about crime and no justice. But we did it, Joe. We did it, y'all. I'm so proud of y'all. I'm so proud of this show. Shout out to everybody who works on this show. Judith, our super super producer, Marina Paiz, our super duper engineer, Kailyn Brandt, our new research assistant, Sherlyn Vera, for doing the research for most of the year as well. And also, we gotta shout out Chelsea because she was also a part of the show during the time that we scammed this award. I just want to thank all y'all out there, and I just want to say stay scheming. You know, up at the top of the show. At the top of the show. Now, guys, we're getting into it with a homie of mine, okay? You know, when we have friends on the show, it's bound to be some mess. Now, let me tell you about this woman. First of all, she's a scammer. Herself. Because every time I see her, she got me out here talking, telling all my business, spilling Alma tea, you know, all my lifting on the ground and everywhere, all around, all the tazzo is just on the table. You know what I mean? She's a comedy queen, an icon. I met this woman when she was doing stand up in New York City at Karma Lounge. I don't even know if she remembers this. She coined the term blacktriss, and we love that for her. And if you want to see her black ting right now, honey, turn on Mythic Quest on Apple tv if you want to see her potting or hear her potting. Couples therapy. Hilarious podcast. I've done it a few times. It's lit, guys. We have Naomi Parrigan. Did I say it right? Did I say your last name right?

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely. And I literally, like, I caught in my throat because it was going so well, and I said, is she gonna get it? And you did it. And that's how I know the love is real. That's the beauty. That's the beauty.

[Lacey Mosley]

The love is so real. It's so real, sis. For real. Like, we really connected during the pandemic. And I remember we were DMing around when Chadwick passed. And then we started texting. I was like, oh, this is my good Judy right here. Like, I gotta.

[Judith Kargbo]

I know. I was like, well, I just. You know, in la, it's so funny because I'm like, I have to make a concerted effort to see and find black people, you know, just in general, socially, let alone Pandemi, let alone in the Kung Fu Panda, when we could not engage with anybody. So I was literally like, can I have your number? I'm having feelings. They try to kill us. And I just needed something.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can I have it? Can I have it? Yes. Oh, and speaking of that, you know, this podcast probably originated from that exact statement that you just made about trying to find black people, because, quote, Cody Ziegler, who originally produced this podcast with me, the pilot, I met him at ucb, and I came up to him, I said, cody, Cody, come here. Come close. Where the niggas at? Where they at? Where are they at? Where they located? Drop a pin for niggas. And he told me, and we got together. So, you know, we have to do the work to find us.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely. Oh, God, you're right. You gotta drop a pin, send out a SOS and a flare.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the real ones, too. Cause, you know, some skin folk ain't kinfolk out here. So you got the. You gotta find the real Ones suss it out.

[Judith Kargbo]

Suss it out the hard way in this town. I mean, honey, congratulations on your webby. I did see that, and that was gorgeous. I loved it for you. I loved it for the culture.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. And for the congregation. And, guys, if y'all haven't got up on this new merch on pawswag.com, like, I went out here and tried to make merch. That one isn't just an advertisement for the show. It's some cute ass shit that's, like, very in style. I got everything for y'all going on over there. And look, it's like, Bruhman, I'm opening up my coat, and I just got merch on both sides. Like, what y'all want? What you want?

[Judith Kargbo]

You know, I got large, I got two 2 XL.

[Lacey Mosley]

I got one B hair, I got extra medium. You know what I mean? We got everything that y'all need. But, guys, before we start, before I get into Naomi's history with scams, I have to talk about something that happened to me. And Naomi can weigh in on this as well, because I've already shared this story with her. But y'all, I got scammed.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

This past weekend, y'all. And, like, look, I told you guys, you can be a scammer and a mark. I don't want y'all to be ashamed to talk about when you were a mark or when you were a scammer, because I've been both. I'll always be both. It's all good. Okay, So I had a rough week. I don't know if you guys saw in the press, but your girl was getting dragged through the press. Tmz, abc, People magazine, you name it. They had my little black ass in there.

[Judith Kargbo]

Because treating you like a Damn Little Rock 9. You might as well had your books in a belt, the way they were just breaking you down. Threw you to the damn wolves. Now, you civil rights icon, you didn't plan that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't plan it at all. I was like, since I'm not Ruby Bridges, like, what happened? I was just trying to do work and get coins.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

But unfortunately, in this body, you know, getting employed sometimes is a revolution. We ain't know it was going to be. We wasn't planning it. But most of you guys know I was cast on iCarly. I play Miranda Cosgrove, Carly's best friend, Harper. We lived together. I love the show. I love everybody on it. They're all great people. It's the best job I've Ever had, like, hands down, bar none, love it there. They announced the release date, June 17th for you guys at Paramount Plus. And they announced the release date. And then, unfortunately, right after everybody pulled up to do racism to me, like, the girls mobilized. They said, assemble Mighty Morphin Racist Rangers.

[Judith Kargbo]

Mighty Morphin Power Racists. That's what it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Power racist. And they pulled up, y'all. I ain't never seen the N word spelled so creatively so many ways. It was N1GG3R, N1GG4. Like, they were getting everything like, you know, N, I, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G. And then, like, some diphthongs and shit. Er, like, God damn, y'all are creative.

[Judith Kargbo]

Good God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it was a rough week for me. It was a rough one. So one of my very good friends, my good sis, was a friend of the show, Laura Chen. She was like, I'm gonna take you to a massage. I'm gonna take you to get a massage.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, yeah. Secretly black Laura Chen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Secretly black Laura Chen.

[Judith Kargbo]

I discovered that about her. I was like, wow. Okay. Undercover other.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, listen. Do you know how I found out? She was my first improv coach. And me and Priscilla, who's also a friend of the show, she does confessions with me on Stitcher Premium. So we literally were getting our improv lesson at her apartment. Cause back in the day, that's how we did it. And one day she saw us do a scene about something very black. And she, you know, I wish I could do stuff like that on stage. And we were like, yeah, Laura, well, you can. You're not black, so why you asking? And then she was like, no, no, guys. My dad is black. And then me and Priscilla both collectively did this. Oh. Cause we had had questions. Cause, right, we in her apartment, Right, right. She got all these pictures of her black ass family up. And we was like, maybe she just like black art. Cause she just got a lot of pictures of Negroes in here just hanging on the wall.

[Judith Kargbo]

She just, like, left the pictures. Like, when you buy a frame, she just left them in. And you were like, well, maybe that's her style, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I literally. I did that one time to a white teacher that I had in high school by accident. She had these sepia photos of these beautiful Indian girls. And she was white. And I said, when you go take this picture, hold out. And she said, those are my children, Lacey. I was like, oh, I need to stop talking.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Foot and mouth. So, you know. But black people, we are all shades. We're all colors, you know, it's beautiful. That's what's so beautiful about being black. But, yeah, so this was not a beautiful black week. I was happy to be black, but. But also, like, please leave me alone.

[Judith Kargbo]

Kindly Laura was like, we'll take care of you, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, my good Judy, yes. So she said, my sister found this place I've never been before, so this ain't on her at all. She was like, I've never been before. I've never been to this place. We go and y'all. So I get there a little bit late. You know, that's just me. It's a part. I have a.

[Judith Kargbo]

That's a Mosley moment. A Mosley moment is 10 to 15 minutes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I have a disease. Y'all Don't. Don't talk about me like that. Like it's a disease. Time disease. I can't be on, like, my time don't work like your time. Like, it's not. I've taken medication. I've tried everything. It's just. It is what it is. So I get there, and the guy's super nice. His name is Michael. I'll never forget. And he was like, don't worry, you can still have your full time. And I was like, no, I want to kiki with my friends. So, you know, give me, like, five minutes over, you know, whatever.

[Judith Kargbo]

But wait, Lacey, explain what you were getting, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I'm getting a massage.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Laura's there as well. And Laura's paying for the massage. She's already in her massage because I'm late. So they're like, okay, gone on in there, and we'll still try to give you most of your time. Great. Okay, wonderful. So it's 11 o'clock, right? It's 1107 when I get there. So I'm late. Right. And this massage is supposed to end at, like, 1150, right. So I go in the room, I disrobe, I get. But booty butt naked. Because when I get a massage, I'm getting booty butt naked. You know, I.

[Judith Kargbo]

No panties.

[Lacey Mosley]

No panties.

[Judith Kargbo]

No panties. You are putting your bare booty on that sheet. Slash thin bed.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've been getting massages since I was like, you know, I guess like a mid teenager when it's, like, appropriate, I guess.

[Judith Kargbo]

What was your stress when you were a mid teenager that you did professional massages?

[Lacey Mosley]

My mom just took us to get massages. My mom was very bougie, so I always got really nice massages. That's why when I went out here, I Remember one time somebody tried to take me to some kind of massage place where they had curtains, and I said, baby girl, curtains. And I can hear people breathing next door. Oh, this is what. No, if it doesn't have walls and doors, I don't want it. Where is the tuning fork that they put on my head before we start? Where are the essential oils? What's happening? No, I don't know what that is.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, so you have a lifelong connection to massage. So you were like, booty butt naked. This is my safe space.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Booty butt. Booty butt. And it was a nice. It was a cute place. It was Silver Lake. Very silver, like, and very cute. So I go in there. I'm laying down. I put my head in the neck cradle. Why? I put my head in the. And if you don't know what a neck cradle is, it's like an extension of a table that's kind of like a circle where you can your face inside the hole, and it holds you up and supports you. That way they can really work your.

[Judith Kargbo]

Soft and cushiony so that you're comfortable.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I put my face on it, right? Because they put the little cover on it and everything. And the next thing I know, it goes, like. It just. It just falls off the table. So now I'm like, neck hanging off, head hanging off the table. I was like, oh, hell. And so the guy comes back in, and he's like, well, what do you want me to work on? I was like, upper shoulders, upper back. Like, really, really stressed, intense. He's like, okay, great. But I was like, but the neck cradle broke. Can you, like, put it back on? And he was like, yeah, yeah. He tries to put back on for maybe like, 30 seconds. And then it's like, just flip over. We'll. We'll get to your back. And I was like, okay, maybe he's just gonna fix it later. I thought he was gonna fix it later. So I'm like, okay, wait, so where's.

[Judith Kargbo]

Your head in all this? Are you literally hanging off the side or you just, like, scooch down?

[Lacey Mosley]

I scooch down. I did a little booty scooch, and I scooched down.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he starts rubbing on me. First red flag. Well, I guess the neck cradle actually was the first red flag.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

That the table broke. Like, that's real ratchet. So then he's like, so, how are you doing? I noticed you were in a rush when you came in. As he's, like, massaging me, and I'm like, is he talking to me, because I don't be talking. Like, I don't go to massage to chat. I'm like, very quietly preferred.

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm very with you on that. Whole point of massage is like, serenity and calm. And making small talk with a stranger is not calm. Continue.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a scam. Small talk is a scam. I don't want to talk about the weather with you, bro. So my brain is like, I'm going to make the most of this. I'm going to try to make it a good experience no matter what. So he starts talking. I'm like, well, you know what? Let me just chat with him. I guess. I was like, I had a very stressful week. The racist was really after your girl. And he's like, oh, wow. He's like, okay, but you're such a nice person. And then he keeps going. I'm thinking we going to stop. And so after a while, I just started going because I'm like, I'm going to. I'm going to taper the talking down.

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm going to taper it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Then after I taper the talking down, then he started talking about some. Breathe in deep. Now breathe out. I'm like, okay, I guess I breathe a couple times every. Every 12 seconds. This nigga telling me I gotta breathe deep and then breathe out. And if I didn't exhale hard enough, he was like, exhale more. I was like, what up?

[Judith Kargbo]

God, I don't need that kind of pressure from you, sir.

[Lacey Mosley]

Getting light at it.

[Judith Kargbo]

I don't appreciate him.

[Lacey Mosley]

So maybe like 10 to 15 minutes into the rubbing, mind you, when he went to rub my back, he slid his hand under me because I'm laying on my back and just kind of rubbed.

[Judith Kargbo]

Rub your back if you're laying on your back. Back.

[Lacey Mosley]

He. He slid his hand under me and started rubbing on my back like that lacy.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, that's red flag number. I'm going say four. We're at four right now. Because I'm taking broken table, him not fixing it, him talking too much, and you being on your back and him rubbing your back from underneath.

[Lacey Mosley]

So then, you know, they lift the sheet up so they can do the legs, right? So he lifts the sheet up to fold it, and he lifted a little too high, and I felt the little breeze go across my little kitty cat, my little Kuta Kooda. And so I was like, ooh, not the kitty, not the ram. So I put my hand there. Just like casually put my hand there, make sure it don't go up too far. And he was like, oh, don't worry. I won't go up too far. No, free shows.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God. Free shows. Free shows. You calling it a show? What do you have planned?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, listen, this little cootie cat. It is a show, but not up in here. This is a professional setting, sir. What's going on?

[Judith Kargbo]

It should be a professional setting.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought it was going to be. And now that we've gotten so deep in this, I'm gonna be the listener letter today. This is just gonna be the listener letter. It's me. So he rubs my legs 10 to 15 minutes max. And I have a good feeling about time. I may constantly be late, but I do have a good feeling about how much time has elapsed. I just don't care. Just putting that out there. So then he's like, all right, now get dressed, and we're gonna do some reflexology.

[Judith Kargbo]

And I was like, that ain't the massage.

[Lacey Mosley]

That ain't what I come here for. I wanted to be booty naked and get rubbed on with some lotions. What's happening? So then I'm like, but Laura's such a hippie that I'm like, okay, let me just get dressed. Because maybe she did some hippie she be doing. So I was like, let me just experience it. So I get dressed, I come in, and he starts bending me and stretching me. He like, lay on your stomach. I'm in a jumpsuit. He started bending my leg up towards my head and just kept bending it. I'm very flexible. So he got my foot damn near on the back of a school.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then. And then he was like, get in child's pose. I'm like, child's pose.

[Judith Kargbo]

I need to know what's okay. So after he done halfway, just sort of Pillsbury Doughboy needed your legs. He said, put on your clothes. And then he was like, get on the floor, and now we're gonna do yoga.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he said, get on the table, and we doing the yoga.

[Judith Kargbo]

So now you're on the table, like on all fours on a table.

[Lacey Mosley]

On four, all fours on the table.

[Judith Kargbo]

That's not regulation. That's not regulation. That's not legal.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, what's happening? So then he started pressing on my spine. He was like, see, I'm realigning your spine. He's still talking. I'm like, michael, I don't know what you doing, but it's not. I don't like none of this. So then he finishes, and he's like, all right. And then he leaves. I put my shoes on and grab my purse and I look at the time and it's like 11:45. Mind you, if I had been on time, the massage was supposed to end at 11:50.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly. So you already had. And they said they were going to give you your whole time. So if anything, you should have been ending at 11:57.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So then I go outside and I'm sitting in the lobby waiting on Laura to come out of her massage. The guy comes out, he says, whoa, you're still out here waiting in the lobby. They must have gone really long. It's 1208. And I looked at my phone and I was like, Michael, it's 1153. Says AT&T. And they lied to me, maybe about my bill, but not about the time. So he was like, oh, no, my clock is fast.

[Judith Kargbo]

What? So he thinks it's 12:08 when it's. Why?

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, if you do 15 minutes fast.

[Judith Kargbo]

And you do appointment based work, if there's one thing your ass needs is a working clock, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the whole thing about it.

[Judith Kargbo]

Besides the schedule, you need to be able to look at the time and know that's the truth.

[Lacey Mosley]

You pay for time. That's what you're paying for. You get. They actually do it by time. 90 minutes, 60 minute, 50 minute, 30 minute. So like that's like the most important thing.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, girl, why he go get. I'm sitting in the lobby, right? Fully dressed. He's like, no, no, I want to make this up to you. I was like, no, I'm good. Michael, we've had. We've done enough together. Like, let's stop this. It's horrible. He's like, no, no, no, I got you, I got you. He goes and gets a massage gun. He takes it out of the box. I'm like, please, Michael, no. He put this gun on me and turns it on. Just like now I'm sitting in the lobby of an establishment with a man just putting a massage gun on me. He goes, and he's not doing it good. He's not like he's doing a massage gun. Well, he does it a little bit on my shoulder, then he moves on to my arm and then he moves on to my leg. And by that time, Laura floats out of her deep tissue massage and she's like, did you fall? Why is he putting that thing on your knee? And I was like, girl. So I panicked for the massages and I tipped. And here's why. Because she's one of my dearest friends. And I guess I'm just so polite that I knew I was not going to be able to complain if she paid. So I paid, and I ti. And I knew she was gonna be mad because her credit card was already on file, but they hadn't charged it, so I paid, and then I was like, hey, I paid. So I can tell you how horrible this experience was, how it actually made my week worse. Yes, yes, yes.

[Judith Kargbo]

I. I think it's actually a very smart move. Yeah. Because it's like, you don't want to undermine the gift, but you need to speak your truth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Judith Kargbo]

So this way, you now have the freedom. But also because, like, literally. I'm sorry, I'm not much for feedback to people or establishments, but I'm gonna need you to send a letter. I'm gonna need us to, like, I. We need to, like, shut this place down, because that man does not. He's not accredited. He's not an accredited masseuse. Absolutely not.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, here's the thing. Oh, yeah, he told me about his background, too. He said he. He originally was in communications. He told me all about his life. Oh, my God, I forgot. Why was he talking to me this much? But listen, the scam is that I should have said something the entire time, but something in my brain scanned myself and was like, let's just see how far this goes.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow, Lacey. But this moment. This feels intense, though. This feels like. I would say, do you think this is your bottom? Your bottom in terms of, like, being nice and seeing how things go?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. It was also a lesson because I did get in the car with my mom after I hung out with Laura, and I sobbed because half of me was, like, ooh, content. And then the other half of me was like, you work seven days a week. You are so tired. You actually needed to relax. Why didn't you just speak up for yourself and get a different massage? Because Laura's massage was amazing. She said she got a DTC massage. There was no talking. There was no weirdness. A gun never came out. He never, like, talked about. Never talked about a pussy on the table. You know? Like, it wasn't nothing.

[Judith Kargbo]

No free shows. Yeah, no one mentioned free shows.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it was like, lacey, you could have had that sis. Like, all you had to do is just say no at any point. When the neck cradle was broken, you could have been like, can you go get me a different room with a better suit?

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, every point of it. I could have said no, and I didn't. And so, you know, I learned A valuable lesson for sure.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, well, that's the silver lining. That's the silver lining.

[Lacey Mosley]

So guys just know, look, it's okay to say no. Who gives a fuck? I'm starting to learn to, like. I think it's because with this thing of celebrity, and I'm not a celebrity at this point, but I know, like, celebrities that get bad reputations for being assholes. And I kind of get it because I think some of them have overcorrected. I think after a while of being like me, you start to be like, fudge everybody. And then you go everywhere and you're like, where's my water, you raggedy bitch? I hate this chick. Fil A. I'll burn it to the ground. Like, you know, you just become. You become awful. I know, because you've been walked over so much. Or like, what's that? Happy medium. And I think I'm searching for the happy medium. I'm like, I don't want to be an asshole. I want people to like me. But I also don't want people to walk all over me.

[Judith Kargbo]

Well, see, here's the thing, though. And this is something, because I did. I dealt with this. But I'm much. Because you're funny. That is the greatest weapon in setting a boundary. Because you can say something to somebody directly, but if you say it cute and funny, they don't know that you just said, back up off me. Really? You see what I'm saying? Like, because you could just use that and just be like. Like, you know, again. There is so much wrong with Michael. I think, you know, there was no getting out of that. There was no getting out of that.

[Lacey Mosley]

But it's intense, bro. You know how some people have energy that just sucks you in? It was intense.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you were. Yeah, you were in the middle of it, the eye of the storm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because me, myself, what's hot and fraud. Me, a dummy scam.

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[Lacey Mosley]

Before we get into historic hoodwinks, I have to take a moment to ask Naomi about herself. Okay? Because that ended up all being about me. I love that. A scam. But, Naomi, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed?

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm trying to think. You know, I block about the last time I was. I would say, in the presence of a scam. I tried to avoid the scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

What do you mean, in the presence?

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm gonna tell you. Two years ago, you know, the before times for my mother's 60th birthday, she wanted to go to Paris. She was like, I am celebrating. She's like, we are doing this. We are first classic it. We are, like, living. So it was, like, great. It was, like summer. We, like, get there. We're doing it. We're, like, walking through. And there's, like, to the Musee d'orsay. And we're, like, in the museum vibe walking into it. It's, of course, pack with tourists. And as we're walking, we're like, crossing a bridge. And these children come up. These petite Romany children come up, and they have a petition or something, like, to sign. But remember, this is all in French, right? So. And then my mother, she, like, stops, and I'm like, ma, come on. And she was, like, looking at the form. She's like, well, the children, they want signatures. I was like, we don't live in this country. What you doing signing a petition? You are not a citizen who will make change. And so then. And so I grew up in Harlem. You know what I'm saying? I grew up in Harlem in the 80s, the 90s. I keep my head down. I walk straight. I ain't trying to know your life. So I'm past her and the kid. My mom's signing it. And so my mom is trying to leave. These kids surround her, and they, like, literally have their hands out. They're like, give us money. Give us money.

[Lacey Mosley]

What?

[Judith Kargbo]

And we don't even understand again. All in French. But they literally are stopping her. So I'm coming back, trying to break through. The children, like, jim, appell moolah. They was, like, so serious, and, like, wouldn't let her pass until she gave the money. And then she literally's, like, okay. And she, like, looked in her purse and found, like, a, you know, two euros, which is a coin, but it was still $2. And she, like, gave just. Just so they will let her walk by. And the scam is these children, because, like, I remember the Petition or whatever it was. It was like, school giving education to children who are hard of hearing and deaf. That's whatever the sign said. Because it was like, deaf school children. Those are the words I knew. And so it was like, okay. But now he's like, why did I sign a petition that you made me give you money?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, just because you got some words on some paper don't mean nothing. Like, you wrote this down. Y'all got a clipboard. And now you shaking me down. Like, absolutely. I'm proud of them because they were like. And now we surround her. She said, we got her. We got her.

[Judith Kargbo]

It was savage. And I felt so. And then she did. And then my mom, she was, like, in a bad mood. She's like, oh, I can't believe I fell for that. I'm so mad at myself. And I was like, well, luckily you just gave him a coin. You know what I'm saying? Like, because me, I'd be like, make sure they don't. They don't take your purse by accident. You know, I'm saying, like, come up on your purse. I'm like, you gave me your $2. You got $2 to give. But, yeah, that was a scam. That was an international scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is why we need to be together. Because I'm your mom, and your mom. I mean, my mom is you. Like, my mom. When I was in New York City, I remember walking around, and when I was 12 years old there for the first time, and I was walking around, like, in New York, and I was looking at everything and looking up in the sky, my mom, like, punched me in my arm. She was like, stop looking around. You go get us robbed. Like, you're that. You have that same personality. Like, I need you. And now that I think about it, in that massage situation, they did ask me if I wanted to join Laura in her room, and it would be, like, a couple's thing. And if I had done that, I probably would not have had the same experience.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because I think Laura would have been like, can you stop talking so much and just rub the bitch? She's sad. Like, so, like, what you did for your mom, like, I'm your mom. Like, I would have been like, oh, children, I'm trying to make change. I'm trying to sign.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yep, honey, I don't even live there. I'm like, get away from me. And, like, the fact that they're children is what softens people. Not me. I don't give a fuck if you're a child. You ain't coming up on me in these streets. You ain't coming up on me, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Naomi will fight children.

[Judith Kargbo]

Americans will fight children. I will fight a child.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hands for the kids. They said hands across America, and Naomi thought they meant hands for. Absolutely, yes. I'm actually with you on that, because there's nothing I can't stand more than an unemployed child. And everybody knows that on this podcast, I'm like, put these. These little babies to work.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yes, well, that's my thing, you know. You know, being in New York, like the Showtime kids, right, the boys who are playing, you know, they do the acrobatics. They start to soleil on the A train. And I always said, I'm like, these are four boys who have managed to learn gymnastics. They have managed to locate a boombox and four D batteries in 2021. They can get an internship. Okay, they can get a job. They have go get them. They have the energy, they have the focus, but they're putting it on the wrong things. They developed the core strength. Oh, they're doing summer.

[Lacey Mosley]

The wrong things, Naomi. I once heard them arguing when I was living in New York and I was in East Village, about to head back to Brooklyn. They missed what they call a primetime train. And I heard them. Apparently, each of them makes $600 on these primetime trains, like, when they work a day. So they were cussing out this one boy who was late, and he probably got all the talent, and he's a diva. I'm sure that's what was going on. Cause he's like, yo, son. Like, we was supposed to be on the train, son. And now I got $600. Like, what I must do without that $600. Like, they were fighting. I didn't know they were making that much money on these damn trains. They were like, nah, bro. See what the fuck you did? Like, we supposed to be riding up to Manhattan right now. Now we're not gonna be on the primetime train like you. Bullshit, son. I was like, oh, wow, they're making bang.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow, okay, okay. That changes everything, you know? You're telling me $600.

[Lacey Mosley]

You talking about internship? Those be unpaid. They over here flipping for $600 a day.

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm over here trying to help them build a resume. But you're right. $600 tax. About to learn me some Cirque du Soleil, some of your acrobatics.

[Lacey Mosley]

Naomi, next time you get on the train, it better be showtime. Okay? What kind of kick flips you got, sis?

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, God. I'mma figure it out.

[Lacey Mosley]

But you're right. I have become hardened to children. Because when I lived in New York, I remember I learned the key was like, don't look at the Showtime kids. So when they come on, don't enjoy the show. Because if you enjoy the show, they gonna hassle you for some coin. I look straight at my phone and be like, I'd only look up to make sure they're not gonna kick me in the face.

[Judith Kargbo]

I know. Well, I was. I took the train here in LA when I used to live. I used to be able to walk to Hollywood and Western and take the Red line to Universal. And then I could walk. This is when I was a writer and I was like on the lot. So I took the train a couple times and I was with two other writers, two white dudes who, you know are rich kids from LA or whatever. And I was on LA train and they had some Showtime kids. And I said, look at this wack ass LA version of Showtime. You know, it wasn't good. And so I'm from, again, the New Yorker. Me. I'm just on my phone when this is happening, playing Candy Crush. The boys loved it. The guys I was with gave them $20. And I said, he didn't even do a backflip. You need to get your money back. You don't realize there is a standard to this.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what I love about LA. LA's so lazy. They were like, we can come out here and be like, hey, guys, it's time for a show. And I like, it's show time. They're like, like, hey, guys, we're gonna do a little thing for you. Like, just like.

[Judith Kargbo]

And it was like a step touch. They was just step touching. And I said, get out of here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Entertainment. Paula. And they probably made more money than the Showtime acrobats make in New York. Absolutely. And I love that for them. Guys, this episode's off the rails. I told you, when friends come on the show, it's just gonna be a nightmare. I'm sorry, like, but you're gonna listen. I've scammed you guys thus far. Okay, guys, let's get into our second segment of the show. 30 minutes in. Wow. Historic hoodwinks. This is where I'm gonna regale Naomi with a famous crime or caper from a criminal or a group of criminals, who knows? And we'll see if we like it or if we fuck with it or not. You know, you never know. But today we are talking about Tracy Hutsona. Tracy Show. Hutsona is the owner of a luxury concierge service and two TikTok viral restaurants. A TikTok viral restaurant?

[Judith Kargbo]

A viral restaurant.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, well, Salt BAE got them restaurants that are viral. You know, he been out here sprinkling salt at every opening of his restaurants. He did one in Dallas. He said, girls, pull up. I'm a sprinkle salt on all you bitches, and y'all can put it on your Instagram story and feel special. So she was arrested this past February on charges of wire fraud and identity theft. We love a good wire fraud. I have to say, a great deal of this research came from Gabrielle Blueston's article in the New York New York Times. She's also the author of Hype How Scammers, Grifters, and Con Artists Are Taking over the Internet and why We're Following. So, you know, pick up Sis's book if you really like scams. It's not an ad. Just like, if we take a bunch of your shit, we gonna tell everybody we ain't gonna scam you.

[Judith Kargbo]

You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

We got you, Sis. So she's accused of stealing over a million dollars from her former client, actress, journalist, and ex wife of two, NBA star Jason Kidd. Jumana. Kidding. Wow. I thought it was gonna be Eva Longoria, but it's Jumana, kid.

[Judith Kargbo]

I know. I was thinking Juana, man, but also, like, I thought it was gonna be, like, a million dollars, you know, from multiple sources, you know, because that's how you make it last. You got to do little bits for multiple people. You telling me she took a million from one person?

[Lacey Mosley]

She took Tracy. Took a Milli from Jumana.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay. Jumana wasn't gonna play. That's the last person you need to be crossing. I wouldn't cross.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I'm sorry. Anybody named Jumana, like, I'm not stealing from them because sound like she gonna beat your ass.

[Judith Kargbo]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know about that. I don't know about it. So. But Ms. Hudsona's history, that's Tracy with scams and fraud, stretches back way further than that. Of course it does, because scammers are born. They're not made. They are born. So they just start. You know, any kid who makes a lemonade stand, watch out, you got a scammer. Any little baby who's like, hey, why.

[Judith Kargbo]

Is a lemonade stand a scam?

[Lacey Mosley]

So you telling me you a whole little baby and you like lemon, sugar water, and this cute face out on the block selling sugar rock, that's a scam. And that's how you know whenever your kids want to get into making money. And they children. Because every other kid knows. It's like, the parents make the money. I go to school, get my little A's or whatever, do my little school play and get my little candy. And occasionally McDonald's when I got McDonald's money. But a scammer's like, oh, I don't. I don't want to wait for y'all for things.

[Judith Kargbo]

I see what you're saying. Yes, yes, yes. A scammer has a wish list. A scammer has a dream. And they're like five years old being like, I gotta get my money. Right, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

I gotta get my coins. And that's how I was at 5. I told my mom I wanted to start acting professionally. She got me some headshots. And then she was like, look, I don't want you going out like them child actors, so you gotta wait. And I was like, okay, sis, fine. Like, we could be rich, but she playing. Okay, you don't wanna use these talents right now. Cause they're popping. Okay, I'll go to school or whatever. So let's get into this. Let's get this photo up of Tracy and her husband Daryl. So Tracey's husband is black. Okay, look at. Oh, my goodness. Tracy.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, what is going on?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a bad bitch.

[Judith Kargbo]

Look at this pose, you guys. Tracy is wearing all black. She's got her curves. She knows. She knows where her bread is buttered. Okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Her hair is hella wavy. She's giving me a Kim Kardashian, like, beach wave. She got 26, 34. 36.

[Judith Kargbo]

Like, 36, 24, 36.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Judith Kargbo]

The husband looks like a retired boxer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And a newly formed criminal. Exactly.

[Judith Kargbo]

And what. What kind of car are they sitting on? A Lamborghini.

[Lacey Mosley]

A white Lamborghini sitting on a white Lambo. And they're definitely in la. And there's, like, a G wagon behind it and a Mercedes. Yeah, it's like, a lot. I love it. They criminals? Yeah, absolutely. They're giving crime Everything about that was, like, crime time. And I love that for them. So Tracy's origins. She's 52, a woman of many talents. Careers and theft charges. I love Tracy. Do I stand her? I'm her. I think you might.

[Judith Kargbo]

I think you might want to bring her on the pod and just, like, learn from her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tracey. Sis, pull up. We love you. Though her February 2021 arrest is her highest profile arrest. She's been scamming people since her youth. So that was the one that really made her career pop. But she been working towards this. You know, that is so funny to.

[Judith Kargbo]

Think that is her quote, biggest.

[Lacey Mosley]

She put in her 10,000 hours. So according to her sister, Deborah Lindstrom, which the sister already sounds like a hater because why are you giving quotes? Why are you giving quotes?

[Judith Kargbo]

Not supposed to talk to the press. Family is not supposed to talk to the press.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said she would steal her sister's driver's license and open up credit cards in her grandmother's name. Okay. Okay. You have a right to be mad. Fair, sis, fair. So Tracy's sister Deborah said in 1998, she convinced this car dealership that she was working on the movie Jingle all the Way and she needed a car for Arnold Schwarzenegger to drive. But that's how talented she is. Do you know how good you have to be to do that? No. Tracee was 29 at the time, and I bet you she was 29 and fine. Okay. Because she already still looked good at 52. Exactly. I want to know what it was doing at 29. It was probably doing everything that it. So, you know, was it that hard? I'm sure some sleazy car dealership was like, yeah, you probably work for Arnold Schwarzenegger. That adds up to me. So in 2005, she stole $168,000 from an insurance company by creating two fictitious companies to work for them and had their pay deposited into her then husband's account.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

And she incriminated her husband because she had that money stolen into his account. She said, hey, baby, I got money to put in your account.

[Judith Kargbo]

That's wild. So he was in on it from the jump, though. So that means that. Yeah, he. Okay, so it was not a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

She sold half a million dollars from two or more companies before she was caught. And I love that she was stealing large increments of money from Jason kids. Why she took a milli. From half a million dollars. She took that from two or more companies. Like, she's. She's coming in to get the bag and leave. She said, get that head, that bread, then leave. Okay. Immediately. Court filings from around that time. It discusses her numerous previous arrests and probations. It's noted that she was arrested for escaping from prison at some point, though the case was dismissed for unknown reasons.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

What we need.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay. That's what we need. Okay. You telling me she managed to do a prison break? This girl did a prison break. Tracy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like they. It must have not really been a prison break. Like, I feel like she must have Been like, hey, y'all, I'mma just step out for a living. And because she's so. She's so good.

[Judith Kargbo]

Nah, Tracee hid in the laundry basket. Tracy hid in the laundry basket. She went down the chute and she got out. That's what she did. She, like, made it halfway down the block and then was like, oh, wait, I ain't got no shoes on.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like the prison must have did something bad, too, because they were like, look, we can't even contest this because, well, you know, Tracy got dirt on us.

[Judith Kargbo]

Maybe the guard, like, gave her a key, you know? I mean, she was using her feminine wiles, perhaps, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Because she was very fine. So, yes, she did something. Something that incriminated the prison. And her. She don't convince somebody to be like, hey, look, I'm not gonna escape prison, okay? I just really need to get my hair highlighted. Just let me go to Tony and guy. I'm gonna come right back.

[Judith Kargbo]

I'll be right back. I promise. I promise. Look at me. Look at me.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm Tracy.

[Judith Kargbo]

You know me.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'mma come right back in about two hours or three years, you know, like. But I'm gonna come back.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, Tracy. Damn, Tracy's good.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love Tracy.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, she's. She's a real one. Yeah. I kind of want her on my team. Do you know what I mean? Like, in a world like, I was like, she should become an agent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, she would be an excellent agent. I'll be right by Tracy. But this is my agent, Tracy. Yeah, that's her ankle bracelet. Don't worry about that.

[Judith Kargbo]

Don't worry about that. Okay. She at her office.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how I know. I always know where she is because the government says she can't go far. So.

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[Judith Kargbo]

And fraud.

[Lacey Mosley]

In June of 2009, Tracy met Jacqueline Elman, a single mother who recently moved to Los Angeles. Ooh, single mother. Already giving me decimal meter.

[Judith Kargbo]

Not always. Always a target. Always a target.

[Lacey Mosley]

What would you do if his son was at home? Listen, that was great.

[Judith Kargbo]

That was beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

You better be a single mom. Okay, we know you go.

[Judith Kargbo]

What would you do if you don't?

[Lacey Mosley]

Go ahead. So she needed to furnish her new place, and Tracy had couches to sell. I know that's right. Get a couch for your babies.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, Tracy got so many businesses. So you telling me she go from just insurance to just couches? Tracy, where are you getting these things?

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't see the linearity there. You don't see like, the linear path of like, fake car, Right? To couches.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God. You couch. You can't steal a couch subtly. There's no way. You're just walking out with a couch.

[Lacey Mosley]

So there's no finessing a couch. You're not walking out with a couch under your arm. It's like you have to be a real professional. So when Tracy offered to deliver the couches to Ms. Elman, she mentioned her home had mold and she didn't have a place to. So Tracy was like, hey, sis, I got couches for you and your children and your no husband. Okay? But what I also have is mold. So do you mind when I deliver the couches if I also deliver myself and sleep on said couch when delivered?

[Judith Kargbo]

What? So now Tracy went to a single mother and said, do. Do you want another mouth to feed? Can I come live with you?

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, what would you do if your couch was at home and I was sleeping in on it all alone? Cause I'm hungry. Like, she threw herself into it.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love that for her. In reality, Tracee tried to pay rent twice with $6,500 of bad checks and was recently evicted. So she, you know, she said, yeah, girls, I have your rent. But it was on fake checks. Ms. Ellman pitied Tracee. Cause, look, Tracee was a bad bitch. She was sexy. I can't believe she's falling on hard times. She'll get back on her feet because she's so hot, and I'm gonna help her. And that's what happened here.

[Judith Kargbo]

Meanwhile, her daughter is like, mom, can we eat something besides peanut butter and jelly? Tracy ate all the cold cuts, okay? That's the situation.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's like, you shut your mouth. Tracy is hot, and she can eat whatever she wants here. She's sexy, and she will have all our food. Like, what are you doing? You don't have to do this, sis. So she thinks she's gonna get back up on her feet, so she's allowing Tracy to stay at her home. Things started to go missing from Ms. Elman's home, and a massive bill for a new credit card opened in her name. In Ms. Elman's name. Showed up curious. Cause, you know, Tracy likes to open a credit card.

[Judith Kargbo]

She does. I mean, what scammer doesn't? That's why I have a shredder. You ain't getting my information nowhere. You ain't getting.

[Lacey Mosley]

When Tracy goes to Forever 21, they're like, would you like to open a store card? She's like, why, yes, I would. In my grandma's name. Gertrude.

[Judith Kargbo]

With my grandma's Social Security number. Exactly. Oh, my God. That is terrible. It's also, like, it doesn't sound like Ms. Elman was a wealthy person to be stealing from. That's my problem with it.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, because she's a single mom. She said, what did you do? She getting couches?

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah. That's why I'm like, what you doing? This woman just wanted a couch, and now you about to ruin her credit her life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, people go to living spaces to get a couch when they want something affordable. They don't go to Tracy. Tracy ain't no couch purveyor. She ain't no damn couch furniture store, you know? So she was probably already hard up. So when Ms. Elman confronted Tracy, Tracy broke down and began crying on the phone, admitting to opening the accounts. I love that. She just went straight to honesty. That's what you have to say.

[Judith Kargbo]

Well, also, white tears, the weaponized tears. You see how quick, like, Tracy can cry on a dime? Okay. Tracy is an actress of the finest caliber.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's talented, and she's high she probably cries cute too. Probably looks real sexy crying. Tracee was arrested shortly thereafter and sentenced to 75 months in prison. So Ms. Ellman did call 12.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow. Okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause listen, Ms. Ellman probably like, look, she a single mom. She done dealt with enough fuck ass men and people. She said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've already. Thomas already fucked me and my children over. What you're not gonna do, Tracy, is be another Thomas.

[Judith Kargbo]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

So proud of you, Ms. Elman. Fun fact. According to court records, she spent her time behind bars as a practicing Buddhist who worked for of prison's call center, taught English classes to our fellow inmates, and helped with prison programs to raise awareness for AIDS and breast cancer.

[Judith Kargbo]

Well, look at Tracy giving back to the other scammers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tracy is.

[Judith Kargbo]

She helps other criminals. You know, I mean, like, she's like, okay, you're my people. I'll. I'll invest time here.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll do this icon. Most scammers are very talented, multifaceted, super talented people. They just love crime. They could be doing anything else very well. I think honestly, the only reason I'm not doing crime full time is because my mom instilled values in me and I was like, let me go get legitimate jobs because crime is cute. And I don't. I don't mind the stress. I mean, I'm in a crime career. Acting is already a. Basically a fucking scam. Yeah, it's an stressful as hell.

[Judith Kargbo]

Every aspect is a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you don't know where your next check is coming from. You get a job, you're like, oh, this is cute. How many famous actors do we know who were like, famous and popping for a few years in the 90s, and now, you know, they out here trying to, you know, do cameos on the street? Not even all cameo.

[Judith Kargbo]

I was like, not even the app. Just literal showing up at people's house parties.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. So it's like it's a scam. You gotta keep the scam going or you can't. I think that's why I got into it. It's a hybrid scam. It's like, legal still, technically, you know, like the stock market. The stock market is a scam, but it's somehow still legal. Legal. It's the same shit.

[Judith Kargbo]

I see. I see it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Andy Richards, the chaplain at Los Angeles Metropolitan Detention center, said Tracy is an individual who is worthy of a second chance. I think she'll be successful upon release and will not come back. Tracy was a bad bitch. And they were like, she's a bad bitch. You could never kill. And she don't need to be in jail. Oh, God, I love this for her. I'll post some pictures of Tracee. I promise. So y'all can see. Cause she's very cute and like.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, she's like cute and fun.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, we're like, sexy people don't deserve consequences. What do you mean? They're sexy. Let them be sexy for us. What? So in 2015, Tracy began working part time for Jumana Kidd. So this is. Damn. We even got into the scam that she on here for.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ms. Kidd had recently moved to LA undergoing treatment for breast cancer. All and needed personal assistant. Damn. Okay, Tracy, that ain't right. This woman is recovering from.

[Judith Kargbo]

See, this is what I'm saying. She is finding women of color who are marks. Can we also. Because, you know, I bet you Tracy probably went in there was. You know what? I raised awareness for breast cancer at my last job, but it was like that was at the prison. Okay, you left out that part. That's what Tracy did. She went in there and was like, oh, I've done so much work for. I raised awareness for breast cancer and aids and I taught English. Leaving out the whole part that she was a guest of the state.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, not a guest of the state. That's exactly how I'm going to tell. Previously, I was the guest of the stage.

[Judith Kargbo]

That's like my favorite phrase. Because this dude who would come to our house every month like an exterminator just to, you know, keep it. Keep it not infested. And he would just always talk. He was talking about how some man in his like, apartment complex was making him mad. And he was like, I will kick his ass. You want to know why? Because I have been a guest of the state and I don't mind three hots and a cot. And I was like, okay, okay, Well, I don't. I don't need to know. I don't want to be an accomplice, not a guest.

[Lacey Mosley]

The street, he's got excellent branding. Love that guy so much. Come on. Three hats and a cat. So Ms. Kid had been referred to a company called Elite Lux Life. Elite Lux Life is a VIP luxury concierge service founded by Tracy and her now husband, Daryl Hudsona. Together they launched their YouTube channel, Homeless Millionaires, a documentary style series documenting their hard hustling work, work, lives of exotic travel and brushing elbows with D list celebrities. There are 22 horribly boring and mediocre videos of this. Wow. They had A great title, though. Homeless millionaires.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tracy's role grew, and she soon had access to all of Ms. Kid's life, such as her actual home and family and personal information. In 2018, Ms. Kidd was first alerted that she was spending too much money by her financial advisor and added asked Tracy for help sorting her finances. Mistake. In reality, Tracy was stealing from her accounts, including her children's college savings.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, Tracy, not the children.

[Lacey Mosley]

They are future children. The money was used for personal expenses, such as mobile phones, restaurants and nightclubs, luxury hotels, and jewelry. Ms. Kid ultimately discovered that 370, $498 and 2 cents was missing, and a series of new credit cards opened in her name. Now, you know Tracy love. Tracy, love opening a credit card.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God. But can you.

[Lacey Mosley]

If the credit card is closed, Tracy gonna open it. Okay. Okay.

[Judith Kargbo]

Can you imagine having so much money that you don't even know when $300,000 is missing? Honey, I get alerts if more than 200 is on my credit card. Just so I'd know. Like, if I just. Like meaning, like if I. If I spend more than that in one go.

[Lacey Mosley]

300K. I'm a note. Exactly. Yeah, that's. That's aggressive. Amount of money not to notice. I mean, you got coincoin. So when Ms. Kidd asked Tracy if she knew anything about it, Tracy denied it. But later, Tracy showed up on Ms. Kidd's door, fell to her knees, and confessed and begged for forgiveness.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pattern of behavior.

[Judith Kargbo]

Pattern of behavior.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, bitch, it was me.

[Judith Kargbo]

Let me keep the jewelry. Just let me keep the jewelry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at my sexy ass. Tears falling on my sexy ass titties. My titties are wet from sexy tears. Forgive me. And you know, I might have to forgive her. She's fine, y'all. I don't know what to do. So Ms. Kidd pitied Tracee and agreed to sign a personal plea agreement with her. The agreement stated that Tracee would continue working for Ms. Kidd while she paid back the stolen funds.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in this episode of Homeless Millionaires, after they signed the agreement, Tracy says she's apparently a client, and I apparently work for her, but she's actually, like, the best person anyone's ever met in their life. Tracy continued to steal from Ms. Kidd?

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely. The job she did for you involved her having all your information and knowing all your business. Why would you keep her there?

[Lacey Mosley]

And listen, I'm a miss Kid in this situation. Y'all heard earlier when I talked about the massages, like, I'm such a people person. And if you come clean and you like, honestly, I had a roommate who fucking scammed me, but I thought she would have been a great assistant to me. And I almost hired that bitch. I almost called her and be like, look, I know you did a bunch of fucked up shit, but, like, you would be a great assistant. I didn't. I actually have an amazing assistant who's not her. But like, I thought about it because I just be trying to believe in people and shit. Don't be.

[Judith Kargbo]

Why are you trying to believe in people, Lacey?

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't believe in people, okay?

[Judith Kargbo]

It's enough going on, okay? You can only believe in one person and that's yourself. There's not time to believe in other people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't believe in nobody, y'all.

[Judith Kargbo]

I'm sorry, nobody. And I'll fight children. That's that on that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because, Listen, after like 5 years old, kids personalities be developed. We be trying to be like, oh, that's a kid. Come on now. You know when you met a little asshole kid, you know when a kid is gonna grow up to be a little bitch ass adult? You know, you meet him and you see them and they ain't shit. You know it. You know it. Okay, I done met some ain't shit toddlers that I was like, you're not gonna grow up. Well, you're not gonna be good.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Their personalities develop what they say about like six, like. So if you feel bad vibes from a kid, that's okay, you know?

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, absolutely. Trust me.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like that Twitter joke where they're like, was he a deadbeat dad or did the kid have bad vibes? Some kids be having bad vibes. I'm sorry, it's just a fact.

[Judith Kargbo]

Right, right, Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Breakfast Bitch and Aftermath. Wow, Kaylin, these titles. This is the wrap up. So during this time, Tracy and Mr. Hudsona opened breakfast Bitch in San Diego and later in Phoenix. Breakfast Bitch was immediately sued by the Queen's Hospitality Group, that owns Bacon Bitch, a Miami restaurant, for federal trademark infringement.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay, first of all, I was about to say, why on earth would anybody eat at a place with bitch in the title? But now you're telling me Bacon Bitches over here popping off. So I don't know nothing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Miami was just Miami. I was just Miami. I would definitely, definitely go to Bacon. Like, hey, y'all, we going to Bacon. They got bottomless mimosas. All the bacon you eat, you can eat. Come on, come on, get in the car. Big old gaggle of, we're gonna be at Bacon. They basically Copied and pasted the whole restaurant, from names of dishes to recipes to their business model. Wow. Tracy had even contacted Bacon Bitch about franchising opportunities before opening Breakfast Bitch. So basically, she basically hit up. It's like she hit up Chick Fil A, and she said, hey, Chick Fil A. I really want a franchise. I want my own Chick Fil A. And they said, no, girl, we're not gonna give you a franchise. We're good on franchising right now. And she was like, okay, that's fine. And then she opened, like, chick for entree.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yep, yep. Chick for hey. And she was like, okay, I won't do it, but can I see some of your recipes? And then she just literally made a whole new one. It's like, Tracy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tracy, right? Her. Her animal. It was like a duck, and it said, eat more chicken. Instead of a cow. Exactly.

[Judith Kargbo]

Instead of the cows.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, you know, they just bootlegged it. I love this for them. They basically did Mac Arnolds, and we love that for them. So in filing a motion to dismiss this case, Tracy submitted evidence for funds spent on marketing merch uniforms and decur Decurrence Decor Decker. Many of those charges were made to a credit card owned by Ms. Kidd. Wow.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, if Tracee ain't got nothing, she got the Audacity.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly. I was gonna say the confidence.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, y'all heard about the audacity of hope by Barack Obama, but have you heard about the audacity of Tracy? Cause it's a lot more. It's a lot more. In September 2019, after Ms. Kidd's credit score had fallen to the 400s. You done ruined this bitch credit.

[Judith Kargbo]

That's. Of course she did. Of course she did. She opened 14 credit cards and never paid them four hundreds. I didn't even know they went that low.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought at a certain point, they was just like, it's bad, right?

[Judith Kargbo]

You don't have any. You don't get any, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Miss Kids credit card in the negatives. It was like, bitch, you. You owe TransUnion some credit. Cause you ain't got none. We got you at negative three. Equifax said you owe them 15 points. Like, what? How your credit score gonna be in the points? Like, 0.05. What?

[Judith Kargbo]

Half? Just one half. You have one half credit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also like, miss Kid, baby girl, you ain't got credit karma. We all got that. Credit karma be like, oh, great news. Your shit went up. Even though Equifax be like, bitch, your shit ain't going nowhere. Credit karma lying to your Motherfucking ass transunion. Be like, it's lit equifax. Be like, it's not exactly. Nobody called you sis. Cause I feel like at this point, credit karma would've been like, hey, we've been sending you emails and you ain' been responding, but girl, yo, you don't have no credit no more. It's actually just no.

[Judith Kargbo]

Well, because also, right, is Jamana's money just her own money or is it the money from her husband? Like. Like, because if they're married and they share accounts, I'm also wondering how he isn't tipped off to this. Or at least his people aren't tipped off to it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know the relationship status of them. If this is like pre evil on post. Thank you, Judith. She just told us that Jamana and Kid are divorced. So this is her coins. Maybe from the marriage, maybe not. Okay, so Ms. Kidd discovered Tracy had continued to steal from her and terminated the relationship. Now, miss Kidd, baby girl, you are very kind and sweet because there's not just gonna be a termination of a relationship. I'ma sue you. But beyond that, I'm gonna beat your motherfucking ass. I don't like. Are you kidding me? No, no. Are you kidding me, Ms. Kidd?

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

You kidding around, Ms. Kidd. And I don't like that for you.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, yeah. I don't like that for you. She should not. She needs to stand tall and stand. Stand strong in her truth. If anybody had whooped Tracy's ass at any point, you know, in the last 20 years, she wouldn't have done this. This is the problem.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody get beat up. She was too sexy.

[Judith Kargbo]

She needed just one good ass whooping.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't push people. That's sexy. You just let them go, I guess. And like, Naomi, you made up a good point. Or not made up, but you had a good point earlier about, like, setting boundaries and, you know, being able to use comedy to do that. Because I actually do that when it comes to my funds. I don't play around. So when I got a new accountant, that was a thing I got with the accountant, and I was joking and I was like, yo, this is so crazy. Like, I have to give you all my banking information and stuff. But, you know, remember when Rihanna got robbed by her account and she made better have my money? That was crazy. I would hate to go through that because, you know, I don't want to have to pop the trunk, get the bat out, be somebody ass answer, you know, because I'm gonna have to do both. You Know, so it's just like. That's crazy. But, you know, here's my account information. But for real, though, like, I got a lot of family who. They love violence. So, you know, we just. You know, it's like, I'm not gonna let you be terminated. You can't rob me and just be terminated. Like, I'm sorry.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely. I mean, unless we're talking Terminator T3, that's how you gonna get terminated. You ain't just gonna be out the house. You gonna be straight.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll be back, okay? I'll be back. We gonna serve you this lawsuit. You be served. And it'll be. I'll be back to beat you up. Are you kidding me?

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

There will be consequences and repercussions.

[Judith Kargbo]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Tracy was arrested in February 2020 and convicted. She faces up to 20 years in prison. Both Breakfast Bis locations and Elite Lux Life are still operating. What? Wow.

[Judith Kargbo]

Who's operating them?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know, but I want to go to breakfast. I bet you that food good.

[Judith Kargbo]

That food is not good, girl. You know, it's probably not special. It's not real meat. It's probably gonna be like. Like, not even chicken eggs. You know, when you get scrambled eggs, it's gonna be just, like, alligator eggs. It's gonna be something. It's gonna be something that's not the thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's gonna be like possum eggs.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's lying around. I don't know. I'm trying to get a bottomless. I think I'm gonna have to go on down to breakfast, see what they talking about. So, Tracy is currently free on bail. Ew.

[Judith Kargbo]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Little hot girl shit.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, my God. Definitely hot girl shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Despite her flight risk, she's so fine.

[Judith Kargbo]

And she got money and she opened credit cards. You cannot have her. She is a flight risk. She is literally, I'm going to the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gym right now because I got to get my abs tight so I can really do crime. Because, yes, I'm here for it. So she continues to deny basically everything, including accusations regarding her teenage exploits. In a statement, Tracy says, we work extremely hard. I believe that's robbery.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

No one said robbery was easy. No one said that you didn't have to work hard to con people, okay? Scamming is a hard. It's a hard day's work, just like everything else, you know? And we have built what we have legitimately. She says people love fake news. No, you're not using Donald Trump. Oh, you definitely guilty. Fake news.

[Judith Kargbo]

Fake news.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you lying. I Love it for you. But so people love fake news more than the truth because it's juicy and fun to talk about. Like me. Juicy. Sadly, there are people who would rather celebrate failure than success and others. Oh, Tracy, sis.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow, that is so funny. I love when people like sort of weaponize self help language and also weaponize crazy things that Trump says like for their own.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gaslight me, Tracy. Gaslight me, queen.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly. Like, it's like, I'd be like, God, the gas light is so bright.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so bright and I'm walking straight into it.

[Judith Kargbo]

Like a walk into it. Give it to me. Am I on fire? I need it. Wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love her so much. Guys, Gamer of the week. A hospital worker in Italy south was allegedly paid for 15 years without working a single day. Amen. Now I'm not shocked that they figured out that this was gone during the pandemic because Italy was like, okay, we clapping for these nurses and we missing one. We are missing one. Okay, where's Fuego?

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, good lord. That should have been your first sign.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Salvatore Skumaz, 67, was fired after not showing up for work after 50 years.

[Judith Kargbo]

So he started this game at 52. 52.

[Lacey Mosley]

And like, look, I love this for him because Salvatore at 52, like when you're a man at 52, don't nobody know what any 52 year old man look like from another 52 year old man. Don't nobody know. So everybody probably just thought Salvatore was there, you know, because his mad. Salvatore is probably running up, just hanging out.

[Judith Kargbo]

Just say that's. No, no, no. He got a check for 15 years.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said he's accused of collecting more than $645,000 as a hospital fire safety employee. A job he never actually performed.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, Salvatore, Salvatore.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now listen, were there fires? That's the question. That's the question. Exactly.

[Judith Kargbo]

Maybe that's why they didn't find him, because he was like, they were. There was never a fire, right? So he was like, all right, I'll just be over here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Instead of reporting to work, he would walk around the neighborhood telling friends he was already retired or would otherwise stay at home. When A director reported Mr. Scumas in 2005, she and her family were harassed by an unknown man into staying silent and not filing a disciplinary report.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow. Okay, okay, so this is some OG Sopranos. Okay, this is the original. We're going straight to Italy where it's happening. Okay? He was out here trying to just cut, cut off some legs.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, See, I got an offer you can't refuse.

[Judith Kargbo]

Exactly. He was ready.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't believe I'm never going to work. Okay, now, if you want to see your son again, you'll never notice that I never came to work. You got a fire extinguisher. That's all you need. No one actually needs a fire safety officer, okay? And Salvatore was right. Dozens of other employees from the same hospital are currently on trial for absenteeism. I'm sorry, but you. I don't think you can take somebody to court for this. It's your job.

[Judith Kargbo]

It's your fault.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's to know if I come to work or not.

[Judith Kargbo]

Absolutely. Absolutely. This is just. Honestly, you know, this sounds like a ghost hospital, because at this rate, if multiple people are not at work, what happens in an emergency? I come in about to go into labor, and they're like. Like, oh, I'm sorry, the nurse ain't here and the doctor is unavailable.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what's crazy? I ain't never even met the nurse or the doctor. That's wild. I see you.

[Judith Kargbo]

You know what? You should go to a hospital a couple kilometers down. That's what they would just tell her in Italy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, I think this is a consequence of COVID Because Italy got hit so hard by covert, they were probably looking for all their staff. Like, oh, we know what. No, no, no, don't worry. We got Salvatore. He'll take the night shift and do, da, da, da, da. And then they're like, wait, where's Salvatore? Wait, where is Gianni?

[Judith Kargbo]

There was no Covid in 2005. This is just how they run this hospital.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, but I'm telling. They said in 2005 that somebody tried to report him and they were scared.

[Judith Kargbo]

I know, but I'm saying he's been doing this like they didn't catch it for 15 years. So we can't blame the Coco. They just are not a good hospital. Their administration is terrible.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you. I'm sorry, but I hope that justice for Salvatore, because if your hospital allows people not to show up to work, I'm sorry, how is that a federal crime? How is that a crime? Like, you get paid for off time. He just thought he had 15 days, 15 years of paid leave.

[Judith Kargbo]

Oh, he was like, I thought it was a job where if there's a fire, I show up. So there was no fire. That's what he could say. He could be like, I was on call. No one ever called me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. So why would Salvatore pull up? He said, I never saw the jointed flames. I walked the neighborhood I told everybody, you know, I worked there.

[Judith Kargbo]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Salvatore, I'm proud of you.

[Judith Kargbo]

Beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is beautiful. And you. Oh, like, come on. By the time they get to your child, bro, especially with everything going on, you gonna be Gucci. You'll be fine. This ain't your fault, you know? All right, guys, that brings us to the end of the show. And, Naomi, we always ask people on this show, where do you want to be found?

[Judith Kargbo]

Where do I want to be found? Like, my dead body.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Oh, my God. You went dark real fast with that.

[Judith Kargbo]

You know, I watch a lot of true crime.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, where. Where you want people to find you? Anywhere.

[Judith Kargbo]

You can visit me on Instagram at Black dress comedy. I'm always having fun there. That's where the most is happening.

[Lacey Mosley]

You do have fun. Your TJ runs.

[Judith Kargbo]

Yeah, honey. Trader Joe's is. Is. We're in a relationship. Also, check out my podcast, Couples Therapy. And I love a Lifetime movie where we recap Lifetime movies, and a lot of them center on scams. I will say yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, you're on the televisions.

[Judith Kargbo]

That is true. There's a show called Mythic quest on Apple TV, season two, airing now. New episodes Friday. Fun times. Rob McElhenny from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is the star, Danny Pudi from Community. Then I come in there and yell at people. It's fun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Come on. Come in and yell. Yes, sis. We love that for you guys. As always, you can find [e-mail], snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure your scam is retired. If you want to find me. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. If you want to see me on TV, a Black lady sketch show streaming now on HBO Max and HBO and iCarly comes out June 17th. Honey, I know you still. Yes, I'm gonna be black on there. Y'all can stay mad, okay? All right, congregation, stay scheming. Scam Goddess. This has been an earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz, and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

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