Fraud Friday: The Invisible Sculptor Scam w/ J.B. Smoove

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary: Fraud Friday – The Invisible Sculptor Scam with J.B. Smoove

Podcast Information

• Title: Scam Goddess
• Host: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess)
• Guest: J.B. Smoove
• Episode: Fraud Friday: The Invisible Sculptor Scam
• Release Date: January 24, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley teams up with the hilarious comedian J.B. Smoove to delve into the world of fraud, focusing on some of the most inventive and audacious scams. From contemporary cons to historical capers, the episode promises a blend of insightful analysis and comedic relief, making it a must-listen for true con enthusiasts.

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What's Hot and Fraud

[09:28] The episode kicks off with the "What's Hot and Fraud" segment, where Laci warns listeners about rising scams. A letter from Percy Thompson highlights a sophisticated gold theft operation in Brazil, where workers at the Anglo Gold Ashanti mine were stealing small quantities of gold daily. Laci narrates Percy’s account of how 21 individuals, including a local jeweler, were arrested for amassing luxury cars and valuable gold equipment through these illicit activities.

J.B. adds his comedic touch to the discussion:

[09:49] JB Smoove: "Percy Thompson sounds like he definitely owns a Perry Ellis belt. And he probably got them barbecue sandals."

Laci emphasizes the ingenuity behind the scam:

[08:30] Laci Mosley: "You were in a rush. Time-sensitive things. That's a great way to get people in a scam."

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Invisible Sculptor Scam

[19:05] The heart of the episode lies in the "Historic Hoodwinks" segment, where Laci introduces a fascinating case of art fraud involving Italian artist Salvatore Garo. On May 18, 2021, Garo sold an "invisible sculpture" titled Ayo Sono (“I Am”) for $18,000 at auction. The piece included display instructions and a certificate of authenticity, sparking controversy in the fine art community.

Laci passionately explains the concept:

[22:00] Laci Mosley: "When you pay for air, you're gullible as hell. So we know this."

J.B. humorously critiques the scam:

[30:34] JB Smoove: "If you walk around all day with no balloon, and you just keep looking up, they're gonna think you think you got a balloon."

The duo analyzes Salvatore’s technique, questioning the legitimacy and artistic value of selling "nothing." They explore the psychological aspects of why people fall for such scams, with J.B. comparing Salvatore’s work to magic tricks and hypnosis.

[31:00] JB Smoove: "You can't appreciate art. And you standing in a pile of see invisible palace, right? Like you stupid."

Laci ties the discussion to broader themes of perception and belief:

[38:28] Laci Mosley: "Salvatore insists that his work is not conceptual but as real as any object you see or touch."

The segment concludes with reflections on the environmental claims made by Salvatore, juxtaposing them against the skepticism surrounding NFTs and other modern art frauds.

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Scammer of the Week: Florida's Botox Bandit

[45:05] Moving to "Scammer of the Week," Laci spotlights a Florida man, Nelson Turin, charged with impersonating a doctor by injecting Botox into patients while intoxicated. Turin hosted "Botox and Bubbles" events, misleading attendees into believing he was a licensed medical professional.

Laci narrates the bizarre nature of the scam:

[47:27] Laci Mosley: "This man is not a doctor, number one. No, he's injecting Botox into people and he's not a doctor. And he's also drunk while he's doing it."

J.B. humorously deconstructs the absurdity:

[50:07] JB Smoove: "He keeps showing the bottom ones like this. He put a new fire ass at Botox and burgers. That should be popping, not Botox and burgers."

They discuss the potential dangers and the slickness of the operation, highlighting how Turin exploited the allure of luxury and the festive atmosphere to deceive his victims.

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Notable Quotes

• [03:22] JB Smoove: "I love a good scam. I love a good scam. I mean, you can't hate on a good one, you know? I mean, the one where nobody gets hurt, you know?"

• [07:19] Laci Mosley: "You didn't open the box when you saw the bricks on the corner. You didn't check to see what was in."

• [30:09] Laci Mosley: "This is where I will regale JB with a famous con or caper, or maybe a couple. Maybe we're switching it up this week and we're gonna get his opinions all throughout."

• [38:06] Laci Mosley: "Yo, I'm about to start. Y'all want some scam goddess air merch? I'm about to start selling air, bro."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Scam Goddess, Laci Mosley and J.B. Smoove provide a captivating exploration of fraud, blending historical cases with contemporary scams. Their dynamic interaction and sharp humor make complex fraud schemes both understandable and entertaining. Whether dissecting invisible sculptures or exposing fraudulent medical practices, this episode underscores the lengths to which scammers will go and the importance of vigilance in recognizing deceit.

As always, Laci encourages listeners to stay informed and "stay scheming" by being aware of the latest scams and understanding the mechanisms behind them. With its mix of education and humor, Scam Goddess continues to be a standout podcast for anyone interested in the lighter side of fraud.

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Produced by Earwolf in association with Team Coco. Stay scheming!

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[JB Smoove]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[JB Smoove]

What is going down? What's up?

[Lacey Mosley]

I wish y'all could see JB right now because he is serving Luke's. Like, he's got a background that's giving texture and color and tapestry. He's also in this very nice European cut gray suit. Come on, come on. With collar. With just a little bit of the chest meat. Okay. A little chest me.

[JB Smoove]

It is a. It is. It is a. A grayish blue with undertones of blueness. Like, it's like looking at the sky, right? And it's a rainy day and you see the gray skies, but then the sun picks his ass through those clouds and you see a little half of a. Half of sunlight and half a rain. You know what I mean? As a hue. Let's call it a hue of blue.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. Do y'all see how JB just Miranda Priestly me right now? I said gray. He said, no, baby girl, this is cerulean, okay? He said, this is hues of blue and gray and sky and. Okay, it looks good. It looks great.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I have to ask you up top, jb what's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Ever run some scams? Like, where do you fall on the spectrum, Man?

[JB Smoove]

I love a good scam. I love a good scam. I mean, you can't hate on a good one, you know? I mean, the one where nobody gets hurt, you know? But you gotta. You got me. You freaking got me. A guy got me years ago, man. I remember he got me real good. I was working. What do you do working in New York? I'm from New York City, so I was working downtown. You know, I used to repair those soda machines in the bar. You know, the kind. You hit the little buttons and you fill it full of club soda. You pull a. Full of. Full of water or pineapple juice or cranberry juice or whatever. All the buttons mean something. You put whatever the hell you want to put on those damn buttons, you know, and. And you can fill up your glass. So I used to repair those machines, and it was so, you know, I'm talking about a New York heat where it's, like, already 95 degrees, but. But then the humidity is 105% and you're.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like swimming.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, you're hot. You know, I had this little apartment, and in my. In my. In my old air conditioner had broke down. So I'm riding through the city of Manhattan. You know, there's always scams going on in Manhattan, you know, and on every street corner is a scam. And. And this dude was selling air conditioners. Air conditioners. Straight up air conditioners. In the box, box sealed up, tape on it, everything, you know, of course, being a New Yorker, I was kind of. I was kind of worried that it might be a scam. But the box was so nice. It was perfect. The tape was on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Either it was a scam or it fell off a truck. Because ain't nobody got no sidewalk air conditioners. What is sidewalk ac, Honey, See?

[JB Smoove]

See? Off the truck. That's a perfect, perfect language you just used off the truck. It's cool because I didn't take it. I wasn't the one who broke in the back of that truck. But I'm the one who's benefiting from said air conditioner to keep me cool in my little apartment. And the BTUs. See, that's another thing about air conditioners. You gotta look at the BTUs. People don't pay attention to the BTUs. It was like 300 and 3500 BTUs.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, so it was an icebox. You was about to be like, more Omarion. So cold. I'm so col. Than I needed.

[JB Smoove]

That's more than I needed. It's gonna freeze me, you know? I would wake up frozen like. Like a meat locker. From the. From the movie Rocky. Remember the movie Rocky when he was beating the meat in the. In the. In the meat locker. I would have woke up, middle of the night, punching meat, you know? I mean, that's how cold it was in my. That's how cold 3500 BTUs is, man. Let me tell you something. I said I couldn't resist. I think he charged me. Like, I talked them down from 200 down to, like, $140.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's cheap as hell for an AC because I paid 400 for one from Sears, didn't need it, and then tried to return, and they wouldn't give my money back until I harassed them online and told them they was robbing little black girls in college.

[JB Smoove]

You damn right. You gotta be careful. I got that. Let me tell you something. I got that thing. I threw it in the back of the truck. I said, oh, man. All I could think about was winter. All I could think about was winter. It was so damn hot. I said, I'm about to change seasons on their ass. You feel me? That's all I can think about. I'm about to change seasons on their ass when I put this 3500 BTUs in this damn window. Let me tell you something. I got home, couldn't wait to open that box. It was like Christmas. It was like. It was like Christmas time. Oh, man, I tore that box open. Like, I was. Like, it was Christmas morning.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, now, you didn't open the box when you saw Bro man on the corner. You didn't check to see what was in.

[JB Smoove]

I was too.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was.

[JB Smoove]

I was too trusting of this dude. And I was working, and I was in a Rush. I didn't want to open it up because it felt. It felt good. It felt like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like a AC. It felt like 3000 BTUs.

[JB Smoove]

It felt like 30. If I could put a. If I could. If I knew how heavy 3.500Btu's was. It felt like 3500Btu's of weight. Let me tell you something. I got that box home. Oh, man. All I could think about was, was being chilly and cold. I opened. I tore that box open, man. It was four bricks in that goddamn box. Oh, man. Four bricks. Four fucking bricks, man. Four bricks wrapped up nice.

[Lacey Mosley]

You didn't feel it rattling? It didn't rattle at all?

[JB Smoove]

No. Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause he had the bricks wrapped together.

[JB Smoove]

He wrapped the bricks together.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn.

[JB Smoove]

And he still had. And he still had all the packing material in there. So you know how to get the Styrofoam around it to hold it still? That was still intact. He had that in there. And the bricks were inside the Styrofoam. Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn, I was hot.

[JB Smoove]

You thought I was hot earlier. You thought I was hot at 95 degrees and 105 humidity level. Man, I went up to like 125 degrees because I was so goddamn hot. The next day I rolled around trying to find that dude in the same area. I'm gonna run his ass over. I'm gonna run his ass over. Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Him over. Yeah, I hate to hear that for you. I can't lie. That's very funny. I did the man put bricks. And that's what I love about New York. New York has the OG scammers. You know, I always say Nigeria is the Silicon Valley of scams, but New York is right behind them. You know what I mean? Like, they're, they're, they're innovators over there, especially in Brooklyn. So, you know, you got to charge that one to the game. That man had an excellent strategy. And you were in a rush. Time sensitive things. That's a great way to get people in a scam. Like when they don't have enough time to really process what's going on.

[JB Smoove]

I couldn't hate on him. I couldn't hate him because the way he prepared the box. You know what? He, he, he was amazing in what he did. He. He crafted that box. He didn't. You know how you pull tape off and part of the paper come off with it?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[JB Smoove]

No, it was perfect. It was like. It was perfect. It's like he used a, a blow dryer or, or a steamer to pull the tape off it like he. It was so perfectly like. That's a good scam, too. You use. Use a. Use a steamer to take the tape off a box. That way it won't tear the paper off the box. You just steam it, steam it, steam it, steam it. And you pull it off real slowly. And it keeps. It's at. The adhesive stays on it. These are all little tricks of the trade.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y'all hearing that, guys?

[JB Smoove]

The adhesive stays good because you steamed it. Oh, man. Oh, come on. Don't get me started.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love this for. I love this for that, man. Listen, New York is about hustle. I ain't mad at that man at all.

[JB Smoove]

But.

[Lacey Mosley]

But listen, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot and fraud. This is where we warn the listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist. Or more often than not, these days, we get a letter from one of you guys in the congregation. As always, snitch on your friends and family at scam got his pot. Gmail.com. just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to. What? Fuck up your bag? All right, jb, give me a fake name for this person. Doesn't matter gender.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, Percy Thompson.

[Lacey Mosley]

What a black name.

[JB Smoove]

Percy Thompson. Oh, how about Chad Goodson?

[Lacey Mosley]

I like Percy. I like Percy Thompson. Yes. Okay.

[JB Smoove]

Percy's one of the old ass names. Like. Like Bernadette. Like. Like Bernadette. Bernadette. Percy. Chauncey. Chauncey's an old ass name, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mildred. Yeah.

[JB Smoove]

Cletus. Oh, Edith. Oh, you going hard now, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Them. Them AARP names, honey. Okay? You got one of those you qualify.

[JB Smoove]

Immediately card coming to mail for your ass. Old ass names at birth.

[Lacey Mosley]

And ARP knocking like, where Edith at? Because we trying to make sure her hip is good.

[JB Smoove]

Get away from us. This is a newborn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not if you named her Edith. Look, Percy Thompson sounds like he definitely owns a Perry Ellis belt. And he probably got them barbecue sandals, you know, the ones that. The leather sandal that got just a little bit of toe meat showing.

[JB Smoove]

A little bit of. And he nice on that grill. He get on that grill. You can't stop his ass. You can't stop his ass.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, I love this for Percy. So Percy says hi. I love the podcast. Oh, that's sweet. I want to share with you a scam from my little town. I'm from Brazil, and I live in a region where they extract gold. There's this huge multinational Anglo gold Ashanti that operates in the region, and a Lot of people I know work there. One of them was my old English teacher's husband. Okay, so back in 2018, I was still in high school. Oh, you young. And having classes with this woman. One day, she doesn't show up to class. The school wouldn't tell us why. Not even the teachers, who would usually gossip with us about everything that feels inappropriate. But okay. So I get home that day and I'm watching TV with my parents in the small town. And on national news, this is a huge operation, right? So she says this is on national news. She sees her teacher's husband in a video getting arrested and dragged out of his house at 6am by federal police.

[JB Smoove]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn.

[JB Smoove]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's all. It's rough when you see somebody you know on the news. And it's happened to me a few times, and you just watching the news and you're like, wait a minute, is that our cousin Steve?

[JB Smoove]

I know him. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's happened to me a lot. So she says she gets home that day, she's watching tv, she sees all this, right? So Percy says the thing was that the workers involved would sneak out little tiny bits of gold every day from the gold mine. I don't know how exactly they made it work, since inside this type of company, they have strict policies around the people that are in the mines. They can't even take their uniforms home to be washed. But basically they stole like, this is Brazilian money, but it's like 40,000. I don't know what this Brazilian money is, but when it translates. She basically said, when it translates into US Dollars, it's not a lot of money. But she said, don't translate it. Okay, cool. So basically they got 23 luxury cars, some pieces of raw gold, and a lot of gold related equipment. What?

[JB Smoove]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

How? Also, 21 people were arrested, including a jeweler that we now understand why his pieces were so cheap. So somebody was selling gold on the low because they was getting it stolen. I'm upset. I wish I could have gone to this jeweler first. I'ma pause for a second because my question is, how do you arrest people from taking gold from a mine? Ain't that from the dirt? Like, bro, who decided that you own it?

[JB Smoove]

That's like stealing marijuana plants. Come on. That's from the earth. The earth created that. You got to charge that to the game. You charge that to the game. That's from the earth. The earth. They question you, all your answers should be, the earth gave it to me. The earth gave it to me. The earth gave it to me. Arrest the earth. The earth did that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. I'm sorry, but I feel like if you mine it for gold, you should be able to take a little bit of it home with you. Like what?

[JB Smoove]

First of all, the word mine is in the word mine. What the you think mine mean? That's me. That's. That's mine. That's my. That's what mine means. People, People, those guys are working out in those minds, they should know what the that means. When you see the word mine, that is yours. That's your. That's your out of here. That's your. That's your excuse. When you go to court, you say, hey, hey, judge, can you blame me? I worked in a mine. Hey, since mine.

[Lacey Mosley]

Would y'all hire JB to be your lawyer for this? He said mine. My opening statement.

[JB Smoove]

I will win.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury.

[JB Smoove]

It's mine. Mine. That's like having an argument over. Over living, live. You know what I'm saying? That's a full ass argument over that. Live and live. What the you talking about? See, it's a play on.

[Lacey Mosley]

This language is crazy. Like, it's a very crazy language.

[JB Smoove]

They that up. You can't blame this man for thinking mine is mine, See?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So it says, my teacher's husband was in jail for a few months since he was operating on the lower levels. And right after they left, they gave him his car back. Oh, wow. And then it says again, we understood right after that how they could afford it since it was a luxury car. And I know my teacher was not getting paid that well and they had another kid. You all in your teacher's finances. You said, Wait a minute, you got two kids. Hey, and you work as a teacher. I know how much you make. Like you are all in her finances. Y'all are nosy. Ain't you supposed to be book learning. They supposed to be doing arithmetic. Y'all supposed to be doing arithmetics or something. Like what? What is going on?

[JB Smoove]

I always love that word.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Reading, writing and arithmetic. Arithmetic. We all know what that is, y'all. Yeah, we all did it in school. It's A3R's too, which makes no sense because writing definitely starts with a W. But you know what? Fine.

[JB Smoove]

It don't matter.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's R. It's an R and arithmetic, but it's fine. Arithmetic, Right, Arithmetic. Okay, we all know. So basically, the husband done got out of jail, right? It says Percy says, I don't know why she was so happy he was out since he was pretty shitty. To her. He cheated on her and wouldn't let her buy stuff with her own money in caps, question mark. We know that because the gossipy other teachers mentioned it and would just. They would just tell us about it in class. Why. Why are y'all. Now listen, you know what? I gotta take that back because I used to have a teacher in high school. Her name was Ms. Candy. And Ms. Candy was a messy. Who live for drama, honey. She would be telling us. She told us that the Spanish teacher was the sports marketing teacher before he got divorced. And we were like. And when this man got divorced, jb, can I tell you. So I don't know why I was in this sports marketing class. I think I needed an elective. And I was like this. And I remember when he was going through his divorce, he would be getting real off track with the marketing education. You know, like, he started talking about how assets were divided and how his wife was trying to take everything. We be like, wait a minute. We was talking about.

[JB Smoove]

He connected it. He connected it to what he was going through, trying to figure out how we're gonna put this animal this alimony and. And this child support and how we're gonna work all this out this. How are we gonna divide our assets and how we're gonna figure all this out.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like, I don't know. One minute we were talking about sports, like sports sponsoring, and the next minute we talk about how his wife gonna get the ass with the pool.

[JB Smoove]

And I was like, I don't know, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bro. But you know, get it off your chest. Get it off your chest. I'm here for messiness. So the week he got out, she says that her teacher showed up to class with her neck full of hickeys and a big smile. And my high school friends and I still talk about that when we get together. Wow, I love this. So she. Her man got out of jail and it was first day out, he was all up on her hickey in her neck and whatnot.

[JB Smoove]

That I still get my wife hickeys. I don't around expert. Hey, I could do that more. Hey, I made shapes out of my. I got. I got my. I don't know where my teeth are shaped. I don't know what the it is, but I can. I know you. Have you ever went to a Starbucks and. And you. And you don't get the top on your coffee on your latte, and they do a little. A little design on top of your coffee? Yeah, I can make that on my wife neck.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't around not designs.

[JB Smoove]

I put her goddamn initials on her neck one time. I'm nice.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like this turns into like not as sexy if you're like deliberate about it. You're like, be still. Like, can we just get to the note? Hold on. I'm almost done. I gotta do the edges.

[JB Smoove]

Like an artist. You a artist with that's like a. With a big ass rock and chisel with a hammer. It's like that's just a work of art. Put that whole neck in the goddamn museum. My wife's stand there in a museum like this. Stand like this in a museum like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, not in this profile with the neck out.

[JB Smoove]

I think it's a tattoo. Jesus. Flower on her neck. The whole name around her neck, whole name, whole. I don't around you get.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[JB Smoove]

Oh, my God. Yo, let me tell you something. I've been selling hologram for years, but I don't have no invisible. All my is hologram. I sell. You know what I'm saying? That, you know, you can. You can barely see it, but the there, the there. You know what I'm saying?

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait, are you for real? Do you. Have you ever actually sold a hologram?

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, I saw hologram all the time. Hologram is there. You can take that hologram machine home. You can look at that all day. You know, it ain't in a way you can walk through that. It ain't it. You know, it's a hologram, but ain't. You could. Like, this ain't really there. It's there, but the ain't in the way. The ain't taking no. None of your square footage in your apartment up. See that?

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. I won't lie. Holograms used to freak me out. Like the hologram Tupac. Like when they hologram dead people. Like Kanye did a hologram of Kim Kardashian's dead dad saying that he was proud of her. And. And I was like, this is sweet, but also I'm terrified. Like, I don't know.

[JB Smoove]

Hey, I saw a hologram pimp in Detroit. Hologram.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did he have hologram hoes?

[JB Smoove]

No, the girls were real, but they weren't scared of him because every time they say, get the out of here, he'll slap him and his hand go right through them. And they. They were all. It felt safe. And you couldn't do. You couldn't do about it. He couldn't hit them. He couldn't. He couldn't slap him. His arms were right through their ass. Like, like, like they'd be talking to him. You ain't gonna do what you said to me and his arm go right through him.

[Lacey Mosley]

I. I cannot with this. Look, pimps are a scam. I am not for pimps. That's why I love. There's only fans and a lot of other mediums where sex workers can do their job without some man trying to take some coin from them.

[JB Smoove]

Let me tell you something. I'm goddamn. Pimps are fake as those guys ain't got. They are capitalizing on women as up and wrong. That's why they ain't real. They go home to a shitty ass apartment. They. These guys ain't got going on for themselves. They should be ashamed of their selves. See, truly, they should be ashamed of these goddamn self. Pimps down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pimps down. Let's learn a bit about Salvatore. So Salvatore is 67, he's a contemporary artist, and he's from the island of Sardinia, Italy. He was educated at Florence Academy of fine arts from 1977 to 1993. Garou was also the drummer for an Italian rock band called the Stormy Six. Okay. A band that opened for the Rolling Stones during their Italy tour. Okay.

[JB Smoove]

They were cute. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I see you, Salvatore. Prior to his invisible sculptures, he mostly is known for abstract paintings. And we'll pull up one of his paintings right now so you can take a look, jb, and tell me what you think. And pond installation.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Okay. I kind of fuck with this. This is dope.

[JB Smoove]

No, I love that Sometimes when I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at paintings where it's just like a swirl of a lot of colors or it's like they. They flick the paintbrush on the canvas. I'm like, I can do that. But like this, I don't know. It's moving.

[JB Smoove]

That's three dimensional. That is 3D. It has depth. It has depth. You. You want to put your hand in there. You put your arm inside there and get. Get pulled in.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're right. I'm getting pulled into it. It does. And that thing that he has at the top, we'll post these pictures on the Instagram. It's sucking you in. It looks like souls flying or like.

[JB Smoove]

That's like a black hole or some in space, you see?

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, that's a black hole.

[JB Smoove]

That's three dimensional. That. That. That's death.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Salvatore got cred. He got Craig, because this is actually looks like some good art. It would look good at somebody's house, like tying some decor together for show. I feel it. I like it. We see it.

[JB Smoove]

I'll put that on my wall. I got a nice big wall that I need. Something like that, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's fly. I'm into it. So in 2006, Garou Salvatore, he created three ponds on the floors of three churches in his hometown. Okay. And populated them with fish from local ponds. This installation is called Ichtha Sacro Stagno or Ichtha Sacred Pond. Okay. Amen. Up in the church house. Visually, the ponds were present presented as plastic sheet lined wooden boxes with unconcealed hoses running out of them. What? Okay. I thought it was gonna be with a name like Icus. I thought it was gonna be cuter than this. This looked like, you know, you go to the nail salon these days, and they put a Little plastic in the football for you before you put your feet in. That's what this look like, a big plastic football.

[JB Smoove]

That ain't nothing. I don't know what the that is.

[Lacey Mosley]

And look at the nuns. They are living for it.

[JB Smoove]

They love it. They're loving that. Wow, look at this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't. And the hoses are exposed, bro. What?

[JB Smoove]

Oh, no, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, this is a big ass pond for a church. Like, are y'all dipping in this or.

[JB Smoove]

Or what is going.

[Lacey Mosley]

What is wrong baptismals happen or.

[JB Smoove]

No, you dunking people's head under this. What the.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also it's very like. Imagine a church and there's like three different sides and then there's just like this weird pool in the middle.

[JB Smoove]

Like does oversized photo. What's called developing. Like the big ass put the in the water, you put the in its solution. You pull that out. Your photo is beautiful. Like, I'm talking about those poster size film developing that. That's supposed to be in the dark room. You supposed to dunk the whole in there. You pull the film out and it's just a photo.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? That's what. That's what it's giving. It's not giving church. It's not giving Jesus. It's not giving walks on water. It's almost giving me. Like if you had a church and then all of a sudden you were like, I don't know. What if we try to make this like them pool parties in Vegas. Yeah, we just gonna throw a pool in the middle.

[JB Smoove]

You know what, they raise organic fish in that kind of. Because it's a controlled environment. It keeps you from having mercury poisoning. And so that's. That's an organic fish pool right there. That's what that is.

[Lacey Mosley]

You go to church, you also get you some catfish. Like what?

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, they have fish fries, fish fry Sundays, you know, after. After services, after service.

[Lacey Mosley]

Amen. All the girls could just get it right out the church. Okay.

[JB Smoove]

Why not? Why not?

[Lacey Mosley]

So the absences. Salvatore prefers for his sculptures to be called intangible rather than invisible. According to him, the intangible sculptures are works that I feel as physical. Okay. So though Isono is his most well known and most controversial of his intangible sculptures, it's not his first. Salvatore also created Buddha in Contemplation displayed in the Piazza del Scala. According to Salvatore, you do not see it, but it exists. It is made of air and spirit. However, I did not create this work with anything. I created it with everything.

[JB Smoove]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so what we're looking at right now is basically some white tape on the ground and nothing.

[JB Smoove]

Hey, I can't hate on this dude. Do you know how many times I stepped in invisible? Thousands of times I stepped in invisible yesterday. You know how many times I stepped in invisible? Come on now. Thousands of times. So I ain't hating on this dude. He made it happen. He made it happen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Could they at least made the tape more cute? The tape is not giving A sculpture is here. Can we get a platform for the invisible sculpture or something like this?

[JB Smoove]

Something bruh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like Salvatore, I love you because. Wow. He said, my sculptures are vibes, bro. Like they just vibes. You just gotta feel the vibes. Like you're not actually see it.

[JB Smoove]

And if you don't feel it, that's. That's you.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's on you.

[JB Smoove]

You up. You can't appreciate art. And. And you and you standing in a pile of see invisible palace, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like you. You stupid. If you don't see it, that's all you just stupid. Everybody else saw it. Everybody else has seen. They taking pictures with it. I would say this. There is something like Salvatore has this, this capability that I've seen with magicians a lot or like hypnotists. I remember in college, our freshman year, they do these freshman programs where people come perform at your college. A lot of stand up comedy comedians do college tours and stuff. And they also have like, you know, entertainment pieces. So one time we had a hypnotist come and I got on stage, of course, because I'm a huge ham. And so they started hypnotizing us. And then he was like, and now you're a dog. And I realized that if you didn't bark like a dog or do what he was saying, he would be like and thank you and kick you off the stage. So everybody who wanted to stay on stage was just pretending to be hypnotized because we wanted to be on stage. And I feel like this is the same where it's like these. If you want to believe in this kind of weirdo art, then like he's got people out there that he can scam who are going to be like the vibes. When I saw the sculpture, you don't see it. I saw it. Buddha is green.

[JB Smoove]

Hypnotist. You talk about those hypnotists. You went on stage with that. Yeah, around. They get mad at you. They get mad at you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, dog.

[JB Smoove]

And they say, get the out of here, you donkey. And you walk off stage and you a donkey instead of a dog. See, I don't with that they leave you with. You stuck with. You walk like a dog. You like. You don't do they get mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[JB Smoove]

Get the out of you. Get the out of you donkey. And you walk out of that like the donkey off Shrek and not. Not you. The junkie off Shrek.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I love it. They are scammers, and I love a scam. So he also created Aphrodite Piange, which means Aphrodite cries. So there's a video that we're gonna get up here. It's being displayed in New York with the help of Italian Cultural institute. While the sculpture is invisible, this one rests on a circle versus the square outline that the Buddha in contemplation is displayed on. So. Oh, it's that tiny ass white circle that's supposed to be what? Okay, wait, can we play a little bit of this video? Because I am Confusion. Okay, so we're looking at the video. It's a circle. Oh, they got some mood music playing. Okay. And it's just a circle in front of a building on the ground. Not gonna film in a circle like this. I'm weak.

[JB Smoove]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, stop this. I can so.

[JB Smoove]

No, see, that's what scares me. See you around and don't believe in that. And then you step on that circle, and it's a. It's a manhole cover that's missing. You fall into the sewers. See? Now you up. Yep. That's on cartoons. When you do that on cartoons, you fall through that into the sewer, into the water, into a whale.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I'm not gonna step on the sculpture.

[JB Smoove]

I'm not gonna step in that circle.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna respect the sculpture.

[JB Smoove]

Circles mean. Circles mean infinity. See, it's a circle. It's just infinity.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not you working for Salvatore. Not you. Not you selling this circle on the ground.

[JB Smoove]

I'm just telling you, you step on that circle, you're gonna fall through that, and you're gonna fall all the way to the other side of the earth. You're gonna come out that in China. You.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't.

[JB Smoove]

You. You will come out of a manhole in China and say what the just happened? See?

[Lacey Mosley]

So Salvatore credits his creation of the absences to his uniqueness. My fantasy trained for a lifetime to feel differently the existing around me. Also me. To see what apparently does not exist. Wow, I. Was that a haiku? That was a confusing ass sentence, Salvatore. And you know what? People just be talking and they don't be saying, I feel like that's what Salvatore does a lot. I'm like, they're like, describe the sculpture. He's like, it's everything. It's nothing. It's wind, but it's also the absence of wind. It's weather that's inclement.

[JB Smoove]

Maybe sometimes this dude, how much ass he gets off that kind of. That dude gets so much ass off of that kind of. He talking circles.

[Lacey Mosley]

Circle, dot. Now I have my cootie shot.

[JB Smoove]

Like, what?

[Lacey Mosley]

What is he saying?

[JB Smoove]

You are a circle. You are infinity. You know what I'm saying? I bet he goes to his house, he got a round bed too. Bed. Round.

[Lacey Mosley]

Salvatore is definitely what. Whoever he likes to have sex with, he getting them.

[JB Smoove]

You got watch his man.

[Lacey Mosley]

So IO Sono is the own. That's the invisible one we're talking about. Is the only work of the series to have been put up for auction and was bought by a million east art collector for a little over $18,000 after a flurry of bids. So that feels like a flex to me. When you're so rich that you just gonna buy air. Like, when you're so rich that you're just like, y'all bought some invisible. Y'all come look at it. Like, that's a rich. That's just frivolent. Like, that's why we need higher taxes on the rich. Rich. Like you buying air, bro.

[JB Smoove]

Like what you buying air.

[Lacey Mosley]

So outside of this works composition, much of the controversy surrounding its sale was that it's legitimized through being cataloged alongside very real and legitimate pieces of art. I'm sorry if I spent a whole year sculpting or if I spent a whole evening neck biting my wife to make beautiful art and then somebody shows up with some air. Yeah, I'm gonna be mad.

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, man. Air is. You show with air is just as bad as we paying for water right now. See, it's the same same it got us with water. It's only. It's inevitable. At some point, some on paper air, it has to put that in the bottle.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the work was sold with a certificate of authenticity and is intended to be displayed in a 5x5 foot square in a private space free from obstructions where lighting and climate control are not required. Of course, you don't need no light and climate control because it's air. So this is where they have displayed it.

[JB Smoove]

Hey, don't forget, I paid. I paid for $140 for some goddamn air.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah, you thought you were getting there. You did that. You were getting there, but you got bricks. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry you didn't get them BTUs, but you living good now, okay? This background is giving. It's giving wealth, it's giving opulence, okay? So. And I know you got good air over there because you ain't sweating at all. So, you know, I know you very cool now. Jb, you did it. So. The issue of the certificate with no tangible piece has drawn comparisons to NFTs, which we've talked about on a previous episode, which are non fungible tokens. But according to Salvatore, the production of NFT requires an increase in the processing power of processors, while his sculpture is created with zero impact on the environment. And that's something that a lot of people reached out to me on the NFT episode. Episode is that NFTs are really bad for the environment. So I'm just gonna go ahead and throw that out there too. But he's saying that, look, when I make my air sculptures, I just be using air, and that's good for the planet. Like, what y'all talking about?

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, I can't hate on them. I can't hate on them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, I'm about to start. Y'all want some air merch? Y'all want some scam goddess air merch? I'm about to start selling air, bro. Like, I gotta get involved. One of the most unique aspects of this work, separating it from previous projects, is that Salvatore insists that his work is not a conceptual one, but as real as any object that see or touch. How you gonna. How you gonna tell me?

[JB Smoove]

Think about, think about, think about this. Who walking around with balloons are walking around with air. The air is just in. In a balloon. Now, if you walk around like this all day with no balloon, and you just keep looking up, gonna look up with you. They're gonna think you think you got a balloon. But what the is a balloon? A balloon ain't nothing but a balloon full of air. And let's say you got a balloon, but you left them. You got a.

[Lacey Mosley]

You.

[JB Smoove]

You carry around an air balloon, but you left the balloon part home. It's not. You can. You're just holding the string. A fake imaginable string full of air.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, Yo, I don't.

[JB Smoove]

There's a idiot walking around like this, looking at that like you can't believe you got these air balloons. Goddamn idiot. Idiot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, I. I don't. I. I'm happy for Salvatore because he's getting his bag. Obviously, it costs nothing to make a sculpture that's vibes in air, you know what I mean? So the return on the investment is very high.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, the high. It's high. It's high.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not mad. I can't be mad. And Salvatore says the vacuum is nothing more than a space full of energy. And even if we empty it, there is nothing left according to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, that nothing has weight. Therefore, it has energy that is condensed and transformed into particles. That is into us. After all, don't we shape a God we cannot see? Wow.

[JB Smoove]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wasn't with you there in the first half, Salvatore, but at the end, you were like, y'all believe in God, though? So y'all don't believe that I made this sculpture.

[JB Smoove]

See, you don't believe the sculpture is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Real, then, like, you don't believe in God.

[JB Smoove]

This is. This is the merging of. And religion. See that? That's where. And religion combined. He just gave you. He crossed it with religion.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, look, y'all. Y'all believe that Jesus had rose on the third day, right? And that he. He had left up out the. You know, he. Jesus was missing. He wasn't in the tomb no more, right? So y'all believe in this sculpture?

[JB Smoove]

So y'all don't believe in y'all? So y'all don't believe in this? Y'all don't believe in this.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's got a point, dad.

[JB Smoove]

He got a point. Now, if he told you that it's not even a sculpture. It's an alien, an invisible alien standing right there looking at your ass. Now, he really got your ass now. Making sculptures on UFOs and shit. This motherfucker's a genius, yo.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's smart as hell. Like, I can't argue with that. You know, I believe in God, so I'm like, why don't I believe in this sculpture? He got me to there. What am I supposed to say? What am I supposed to say?

[JB Smoove]

Go to a club one night, and a dude gonna buy you an invisible, invisible drink. He gonna be like, oh, no, this for you. This for you, boo. He gonna hand you a hand. Like, he got a cup in his hand. He's gonna hand you a drink and enjoy that. Boo, you know, let me buy you a drink. And that gonna be his hand shaped like a cup.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right? You believe it? You don't believe in this invisible drink.

[JB Smoove]

You're gonna say cheers to nothing. Y'all gonna put your. Put your hands together like this, and you're gonna drink to nothing. You're gonna drink to. You're gonna cup his little hand like that. You're gonna say, drink to nothing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not the slurp. Not the slurp.

[JB Smoove]

How about. How about the fake ass champagne celebration? You can go like this. You gonna pop that. Pop that cork of nothingness.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, it's all over me.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, it's everywhere. On everybody. Celebration. Celebration. Happy New Year up in this motherfucker. Happy New Year, yo.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like after Covid, we all deserve an invisible champagne shower.

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, everybody can get one.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shit, this is tragic. I mean, Salvatore, I can't not worship you. I think that you're wonderful. I think this is a great scam. How can people stop you? How can they argue like, you did it, Joe. You did it, and we're here for it.

[JB Smoove]

He can make as many as he wants. He can make as many as he wants all over the world. They're everywhere.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's just squares and circles on the ground everywhere. He's just selling sculptures left and right.

[JB Smoove]

But people have an imagination. He can put that shit anywhere. People will climb a mountain to get to that shit. You say I put one on top of that mountain. They're gonna climb that dumbass up there just to look at the invisible ass sculpture on top of that mountain like goddamn idiots.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we will, and we. Absolutely.

[JB Smoove]

Somebody. Somebody will do it. Somebody gonna fucking do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my goodness.

[JB Smoove]

People are gullible. And this man has found a way to capitalize on gullible ass people. And I fucking love it. I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you pay it for air, you're gullible as hell. So we know this.

[JB Smoove]

You gullible as hell.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, all right, guys. We're gonna take a quick break for some non scam advertisements, and we'll be back for the saddest part of the show. The end of the show.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, shit. No robbery.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[JB Smoove]

Idiot and fraud.

[Lacey Mosley]

Guys, we're back and it's time for Scammer of the Week. So this is where we highlight a charlatan that we think is worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We'll see. Okay, but guys, today we're talking about a Florida man. And don't we all love Florida? Because Florida is its own country. It's a hot ass mess. It's our embarrassing uncle. They always doing some. They always up to some nonsense. The other day I saw a video on Twitter of a boat that they put a parasail on and somehow made the boat fly. I don't know. It's Florida.

[JB Smoove]

Florida. Oh, man. Oh my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe they don't even have gravity in Florida. Who knows? Listen, I used to live in Florida, so I can talk cash about Florida because y'all know it's a mess down there. Y'all know Florida ain't even shut down for the pandemic. I don't think they ever shut down. I think they were just like, we good.

[JB Smoove]

I got called to do a show and I said, you guys are open. He said, we've been open since last March. Get the out of here, man. Last March. He said, last March they've been open.

[Lacey Mosley]

So y'all never closed?

[JB Smoove]

What you mean they never closed? They never closed. They didn't close Down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I feel like you can't say we've been open since last March. That means you never closed, bro. March was when the pandemic. That's when Tom Hanks got the Rona and the NBA shut down.

[JB Smoove]

What do you mean never closed out here? Come on, man. Come on, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

They. They a different breed out there. Florida was like, we ready to die. Florida and Atlanta. People is up in the club staring at their phones at Atlanta like mid pandemic. I said, look, if y'all gonna be at the club in the middle of a pandemic, at least being there throwing ass. How you gonna be in there on your phone looking bored like you go get your granny sick and have a die over you being bored on Twitter at the club? Like, you better get in there. I'm like, boy, you better get in there and shake that dick. You better get in there and do something.

[JB Smoove]

Have some fun. You have some fun. You might be on the way out.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna try to make that a new phrase for men dancing. Or I guess CIS men. Not all men, but shake that dick in there and shake that dick. O. But. So a Florida man is charged with impersonating a doctor and allegedly injecting Botox into patients while drinking. Okay, so let's. I gotta break down that first paragraph.

[JB Smoove]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this man is not a doctor, number one. No, he's injecting Botox into people and he's not a doctor. And he's also drunk while he's doing it. I just feel like if you're not gonna be a doctor, you should at least be sober. I just feel like you can't do both.

[JB Smoove]

That sound like a mechanic. Like a. Who say he could fish a car? You know, he drunk. You smell a liquor on him and he said to fix your. And he. Your car up. Your car ain't fixed. Your car ain't. That's a mechanic. That's a mechanic trait right there. They do that all the time. Stupid ass mechanics.

[Lacey Mosley]

You come. All you needed from the mechanic was to get like, so oil change. And you come back in your car on bricks and you ain't got no engine no more.

[JB Smoove]

Was top off all your. All your fluids, your oil, your windshield wiper fluid, your transmission fluid, and your power steering fluid. That's all you had to do. That don't. Took your whole car apart. A Cadillac converter gone, all that.

[Lacey Mosley]

He like, you need a new passenger door. What? What was wrong with my passenger door? Like, what?

[JB Smoove]

Oh, your steering wheel. Your steering wheel is now facing the Trunk like what the just happened here?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, you gotta drive home in reverse. But your car working good though, okay? And you gonna have a breeze. You're gonna be just like the UPS man. Cause you missing the door.

[JB Smoove]

You missing a door. All your going, no, don't worry about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now you can hop out faster. You ain't need a door anyway.

[JB Smoove]

Okay, now you can see where the you've been at already. See, See how you go.

[Lacey Mosley]

You dropping backwards home where you've been at already. So. Nelson Turin, 47, has been arrested after hosting a Botox and bubbles event and injecting Botox and other unknown substances into his patients without proper license. Okay, so they do do Botox parties. And yes, the women at the parties are the men at the parties. Parties will drink wine and you know, or they, you know, non binary. Whoever at these parties, they'll drink wine and they'll get Botox and, you know, it's a thing. But I've never heard of the people injecting the Botox also having the bubbles. Like, you're not supposed to partake.

[JB Smoove]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

What are you doing?

[JB Smoove]

You probably doing that. You don't probably mixing that shit together. You don't probably mix it together. You probably do it also.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like I would get really mad at whoever threw the party if I show up and you done got a bootleg Botox injector. Shooting shit in our faces is like. I'd be like, sarah, we need to talk. Like, you can't be in the friend group anymore. No, we know you hired that Botox guy off of Craigslist. And now I constantly look surprised and.

[JB Smoove]

It'S a bachelorette party. This motherfucker's drunk, doing Botox, and then he jinxed his whole outfit off and he start fucking dancing in the fucking Speedo. Fuck that. Can you combine three things in one?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's full service. That's full service. I can't be mad at that.

[JB Smoove]

Somebody's getting married, he tears that shit off.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Lord. So Mike Bruno, the director of the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office, called it one of the most bizarre cases he'd ever seen throughout his long career. Which is a lot in Florida, if you could say that. This is the most bizarre.

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

The event was average because I'm like, in Florida, they be eating faces. Like, what do you mean this is the most bizarre?

[JB Smoove]

Yeah, that's right. Eat your face bad salts.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they out here munching on faces like.

[JB Smoove]

Munching on faces.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the event was advertised around Jacksonville featuring flyers with pictures of Turin and several patients it took place at. Oh, so we got the flyer right here. Botox and bubbles. Okay, so what I will say about Nelson Turin is he looks like a doctor, he looks like a cosmetic surgeon. Like, he has that vibe. He got the coat on and he got a little, like a little rose color pink collar shirt underneath. So he's giving the girls opulence. And. And this flyer looks legit. He's got a woman and a man on here. So he's like everybody, you know, in between. And he says, so on the flyer it says lip filler, nose lift, smile lines, chin filler, cheek filler, Botox. So here's the thing.

[JB Smoove]

God damn it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't think I'm going to go to a party to get my lips filled. That feels like something I need to get done in the office. Like, I don't know if I'm gonna be at the club. Like, yeah, fill my lips up, Kylie Jenner. Like, no, like, I want to be in an office for that. But this flyer is looking legit and it's giving luxury. You know, his brand is Luxus, which, you know, luxury Luxus. I don't know. It's.

[JB Smoove]

It looks. It looks legit. The shit looks legit.

[Lacey Mosley]

He got a handle. He got an Instagram handle.

[JB Smoove]

He says, and he uses this too. It's like, you know, it's like the person who burned the coke, he using the coke too.

[Lacey Mosley]

And.

[JB Smoove]

And everybody else is using the coke, so he uses a Coke. See this right here, he uses the Botox while he getting drunk. He. He, like, he's had a. He had a couple. A glass in one hand. He hitting himself right here with the Botox.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said, one for you, one for me, two for you.

[JB Smoove]

Next. Who's next up in this bitch?

[Lacey Mosley]

He doing all the shots. He said shots, shots, shots with a needle and also shots of liquor. Like you. You can't. We can't be doing both.

[JB Smoove]

How do you not get. How do you not get caught up in that? You want to be a part of that. You want to have a good ass time.

[Lacey Mosley]

It looks cute. It looks cute. This was March 12th. Wow. Wow.

[JB Smoove]

Get your face fixed and have a good time, right? Get lit and get your face fixed around and he. He mix up the. The bubbles and the goddamn Botox. They both start with a B and inject your ass with champagne in your face. See, he up and he's drinking the Botox. Drinking the Botox from a steak. Like little shot a shot. Drinking the Botox and injecting Your face with, with champagne. Now you got the bubbles. You're gonna really get some bubbles in your lips.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said, you gonna get shit faced and you gonna get a new face. Okay. I can't even imagine sitting down somewhere and I'm like, oh, yeah, this champagne's so good. Okay, I see you're drinking it as well. Like, were none of the guests alarmed when he was sipping and then, and then getting the needle out? Like, they weren't, they weren't confused.

[JB Smoove]

Are you tipsy?

[Lacey Mosley]

I just think if somebody came up to me with a drink in their hand and was like, it's time for a medical procedure, baby. Like, I would be like, I don't.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't like that.

[JB Smoove]

I don't want that. Oh, man, now you don't want that. I was like, drunk driving, man. You can't do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's like being an Uber driver who's drunk, which must be happening because.

[JB Smoove]

You know, why don't you, why don't you drive?

[Lacey Mosley]

You guys are fun rides. Like, Uber sent me a random ass email. And you know that when it comes to people being litigious with Uber, which they won Prop 22 in California, which sucks because it now the driver aren't protected, they don't get health care. It's a really shitty deal because they basically advertised on the app and to everyone and people are dumb. They're not going to research stuff. Like, people are busy. If you're not dumb, maybe you're just busy with your life. So people voted for this dumb shit and it doesn't protect workers and it's so shitty for the gig economy. But the reason I'm saying this is because Uber has a lot of fucked up protections when it comes to people suing them for assault from an Uber driver, from suing them for, you know, all types of stuff, right? So I got an email like a month ago from Uber that said, we do not condone drunk drivers at Uber. If your driver appears to be drunk, call 911 and report it in the app. And I was thinking to myself, like, why am I getting this email? Like, I assume that Uber drivers weren't drunk, because that's the whole reason I'm usually calling them is I am like, because I don't. I'm not gonna drive drunk. So what, what, why y'all sending this email? Like, who was drunk and then got reported? Because it seems like something happened.

[JB Smoove]

Something happened. See signs go up after happens when you see a sign that says shirt, shoes required, they put that up because somebody walk barefoot and shirtless in that mother, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

You just put that sign up. I ain't never gone to Chick Fil A. And they were like, we do not put semen in our chicken like that. Like, I feel like if you have to say some wild. Like that something happened and you're not.

[JB Smoove]

Telling us that just happened. They want to put a stop to it right now. Enough semen and these goddamn sandwiches.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, something happened always happened.

[JB Smoove]

You see a sign happened already. And they gotta stop that right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because it's too specific. Uber, it's too specific, right?

[JB Smoove]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I'm, like, curious. So the event was advertised with the flyers that we saw. It took place at Clinical Aesthetics, a facial spot in Jacksonville. Investigators were first tipped off by another law enforcement agency who pointed to them videos online of Turin performing procedures. Okay, turn. Nelson, baby girl, now, you know you ain't got no types of licenses. You know you ain't gone to nobody's medical school. I don't even think you watch some Gray's Anatomy to at least get some terms like stat and cc. I don't think you did anything. Why would you put your ass online?

[JB Smoove]

Oh, man, why? You know what? Because there's so many of these doctors that they get lost in the shuffle. You can't tell who real and who fake you are. You are really going on what people need, and you also going, what people love, they fucking need. Botox and they fucking need. They fucking love champagne. You playing on two things that people love.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Turin Nelson, he would consume champagne and get this jb. Four Locos.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

While he discussed with patients procedures and what he needed to do. Four Locos. Caffeine and alcohol, malt liquor, beverage, Four Loco. Listen, first of all, I don't even know if I'm going to a party with somebody who drinks Four Locos. I damn sure ain't let nobody who's drinking Four Locos put a needle anywhere near my skin anywhere.

[JB Smoove]

For Locos like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, at least he could have been drinking Casamigos or 1942 or like something. Something fancy for love.

[JB Smoove]

Fancy. Oh, man. Theme. That whole out. He could have themed that whole out. He could have. He could have came in and dressed like. Like Jon Snow from Game of Thrones or some theme. That whole party out make people feel like they're getting something for their money, you know, and then put everything in goblets. Pour all that in goblets. Everybody theme that whole out.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the. That's the beverage of people who don't give a. And you don't need people who don't give a near your face. Like, if he putting that in his body, you don't need him putting in your face. So to finally catch him, local investigators sent in an undercover detective to pose as a potential client. The agent witnessed Nelson consuming alcohol during the consultation, as well as setting an up an injection kit and preparing for the procedure. Nelson was then immediately arrested before performing any procedures on the detective. Obviously, the detective wasn't going to be like, I'm undercover. I got to get my brows froze. Like, what? Hey, I'm sure he let him stumble over with a needle that gives your brows. Ready? Okay. What? Lord Jesus. So according to investigators, Nelson had no licensing or authorization of any kind to possess Botox, lidocaine, or any of the other drugs that were in his possession. So how was he getting botulin toxins? And, like, can you just get that on ebay? I bet you on the dark web, you can get anything, like, any damn thing.

[JB Smoove]

Any thing you want. You get all that. All. All the ingredients for that. Get all that. Easy, easy breathing.

[Lacey Mosley]

So among the substances that Nelson had, there were expired vials and vials with markings from other countries. Okay, so he went. He probably went to Mexico or wherever the girls get their things on the low, low, you know, because a lot of people like to go get a bbl, which is a Brazilian booty lift, I think. Yeah, they like to go get that in another country for the cheap. But it's like, y'all, please, you can save money on so many things. You can go to Ross if you want some Daisy Fuentes panties, like I do when I don't want to do laundry. You can go, you know, to Target and get furniture that's going to be cheaper than if you go to, I don't know, Ashley home store, you know, But. But don't cheap out on surgery. Do not cheap out on surgery, okay?

[JB Smoove]

Cheap out on your ass and your breast. Don't do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And your face, like, don't do it, bro. It's never worth it. Y'all seen botched. So though Nelson is not a licensed professional, he did receive some training, okay, from an Orlando institute for oral surgery and phlebotomy and use those certificates to illegally obtain Botox. So that's how he was getting it. Now, do they need botox in oral surgery? Because when I've had oral procedures, ain't nobody ever put no botulin toxin in my mouth.

[JB Smoove]

Like, no, you don't need that. You don't need to fix your, your chin and your nose and your forehead in order for him to do that procedure. Those other procedures, you know what I mean? But it would be handy if you can get all that done at one time. Now, don't get me wrong, that, that's. That seemed more like the business he didn't need to do. You combine a package deal on all.

[Lacey Mosley]

This, you don't need a certain package surgery. You don't really want no three pack surgery. I don't want a value meal surgery.

[JB Smoove]

He don't need the bubbles, though. Or people who, who need all that at one time. They say, I'm up. I need all this fixed. They say, okay, I'll just give you a package deal and do all that at one time. You don't need to go on and serve bubbles. And he'll need bubbles and Botox.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, listen, bubbles, that's a thing that has been established for many, many years is Botox parties where there's cocktails and there's Botox, but there's usually a professional medical, you know, person there who's like, usually a plastic surgeon who's doing it. It's not like this man who literally, like, I guess went to oral. Like, honestly, it's giving TV college. It's giving icdc. It's giving. Why are you sitting on your couch when you could be learning at school? Get off your couch and come to our college. What was that college called? You know the one I'm talking about that the black man will be yelling at everybody to go to college. Oh, Everest. Everest.

[JB Smoove]

Everest. Everest. Yes, Everest.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everest college. He was like, get your ass up off that couch and come to Everest college with your crazy ass. What you doing right now watching TV with your dumb ass? Come to this college. We got. We got classes. Y'all want to be a. Y'all want to get in billing and coded? We got billing and coding. Did you have a child at 16 and you want to get in billing and coding? Come on over here and get in billing and coding. Yo, the hottest girls, like the hottest young moms work in billing and coding. And I love that for them. I'm like, yes, y'all better bill and code. Okay, yep, fuck that.

[JB Smoove]

Get all that shit done.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Nelson would then offer to perform procedures on clients for $350, a fraction of what it would normally cost. Yeah, it's usually around a thousand. So though Nelson is a fraud, the spa at which he held the event is a legitimate business. And he allegedly misled them into believing he was a Licensed doctor. The owner would even come in once a month to get Botox injections. The owner of the legitimate business. So. So maybe he was doing them good sometimes. Because, I mean, if you're coming back over and over, that means he must.

[JB Smoove]

He.

[Lacey Mosley]

He must have learned something on the job.

[JB Smoove]

You having a good time, you're meeting great people, you're expanding your circles, you're networking, and you're getting your wrinkles off your forehead. See, it works. It works.

[Lacey Mosley]

He looked like a doctor. I mean, you know, when I go into doctor's offices, I'm not like, let me see your doctor. Your doctorate diploma. Let me see where you did residency. I don't ever really check to see if they're a doctor.

[JB Smoove]

I'm just how they dress. If I walk in that and got Timberlands on, or if I walk in that and got a motorcycle jacket on, I'm like, what the is going on around here? You know? Goddamn, doctor, if you got a Timberlands.

[Lacey Mosley]

On, I ain't taking none of your diagnosis. I'm going and immediately getting a second opinion. Like, if I come in and you got Tim's on you like, we found a lump, bruh. Like, no, no, no, no, no.

[JB Smoove]

I got good news and bad news. We hear the good news or the bad news.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which one you want first, fam? Like, why you calling me fam? You're a doctor. What's going on? No, absolutely not.

[JB Smoove]

You call me famous, sir. What's happening here? I got good news and bad news up in this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, son, the pro. The prognosis, you know, it ain't giving what it's supposed to give. You know what I'm saying? Son, you definitely gonna need some surgery.

[JB Smoove]

And what he got, he's got the bottoms and gold. He keeps showing. He keeps showing the bottom ones like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, so when you trying to pull up to the or, like, what? No, no, no, no, no. So there's bedside manner, guys. So Nelson's charged with practicing medicine without a valid medical license. Duh. Three counts of possession of legend drugs. Legend drugs, whatever. Without a prescription. And one more of calling himself a doctor without a license. No. Okay, so legend drugs, so. I didn't know what that was. Legend drugs are substances that require a prescription and must be dispensed by a licensed provider. So he was in possession of drugs that needed a prescription that he obviously could not write scripts for because he's not a doctor. Nelson's legal team vehemently denies the charges and maintains that he's innocent.

[JB Smoove]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

How. How Y'all, how. How is he innocent? Because he is not a medical professional by any legal standards or. No. The universities were like, we don't know the girl who. I don't know her. That's what they said. So how is he innocent? You know, he owned a flyer saying that he's giving people Botox.

[JB Smoove]

He's telling you exactly what he gonna give you. You know what I'm saying? He. He better off having Botox cookouts. You know what I'm saying? That will work. You know what I'm saying? That will work.

[Lacey Mosley]

If I go to a Botox cookout, I know nobody's licensed, and I'm prepared for that. That's fine. Okay. If you had a med spot, I'm thinking you license. If I go and it's a barbecue, and. And then the Botox man show up with. With his barbecue shoes on, and he just got off the grill, and he drinking a four Loco. Then I'm like, okay, this makes sense. I'm prepared.

[JB Smoove]

He put a new fire ass at Botox and burgers. That should be popping, not Botox and burgers.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I'm getting. I'm getting my Botox. Somebody twerking next to me next to the picnic table like that. That makes more sense, I guess. But, guys, we've reached the end of another amazing episode. Thank you so much for being here. Jb. JB we always ask on the show, where do you want to be found? Where do you want people to follow you, find you?

[JB Smoove]

They can find me on. On. On all platforms at Old Snap. JB Smooth. O H S N A P S M J, B S M O O V E. Oh, Snap. JV Smooth. You can also catch me on my podcast, my amazing daily podcast called May I elaborate. It's so fun. It's just as much fun as I had today with this. With this amazing lady. So it is definitely fun. You get your inspiration, get your. I take, I elaborate on. On everything, and I think you will love it. Positive affirmations. I take them and I make you, and I allow you to understand what the. They really mean and how they want to benefit your life, you know, so this is all good. It's all gravy, and we just continue to have fun and be blessed and tune into the show. It's really great. Every day we're under the same umbrella, so we get a chance to have fun, and we get a chance to do what we love to do. So make sure you tune in to. May I elaborate? And I'll catch you guys on the new season of season 11 of curvy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Enthusiasm and guys you really like, we did a feed drop of JB Smooths. May I elaborate? It's very, very funny. It's every single day. I know y'all be mad at me that this is only a weekly podcast, but honey, I'm tired so tune in to May I elaborate? It's so good. JB is so funny. He's an icon. Guys, as always, if you want to send us your email, snitch on your friends and family. Scam goddess [e-mail] if you would like to follow me on my socials. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Guys, A Black lady schedule. The entire season is out on HBO Max. Y'all can binge it whenever you want. And icarly comes out June 17th. Congregation Stay scheming scam Goddess this has been an earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay Scheming.

[JB Smoove]

Foreign Hey, I'm Paul Scheer.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[JB Smoove]

Idiot.

[Lacey Mosley]

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