Fraud Friday: The Queen Sheep Herder of New Zealand w/ Lady Bunny & Monét X Change

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fraud Friday – The Queen Sheep Herder of New Zealand w/ Lady Bunny & Monét X Change

Podcast Information:

• Title: Fraud Friday: The Queen Sheep Herder of New Zealand w/ Lady Bunny & Monét X Change
• Hosts: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) on Earwolf
• Guests: Lady Bunny and Monét X Change
• Release Date: June 27, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Fraud Friday, Laci Mosley, also known as the Scam Goddess, welcomes two legendary drag queens—Lady Bunny and Monét X Change. Both guests are celebrated figures from the drag community and hosts of the popular podcast Ebony and Ivory on Starburns Audio. The trio dives into the fascinating world of scams, blending humor with insightful discussions about both historical and contemporary frauds.

Notable Quote:

Laci Mosley [03:25]: "We're back for another installment of Scam Goddard. God, yes. And I'm especially proud and very excited."

Personal Scams and Experiences

The conversation kicks off with Monét X Change sharing her past experiences with scamming individuals she dated. Monét humorously recounts how she "luxuriated" in the schemes of her partners, ultimately turning the tables by scamming them first.

Notable Quote:

Monét X Change [08:35]: "I'm not ashamed to say it. It was a part of my life. I luxuriated in the scammation of it all."

Lady Bunny adds her own anecdotes, including impersonating a famous singer to gain access to exclusive events. The trio exchanges witty banter about their scamming tactics and the humorous repercussions that followed.

Notable Quote:

Lady Bunny [12:26]: "You think I'm impersonating Shirley Murdoch? Honey, that's an A-list scammer right there."

Historical Scam: Amy Bach, the Queen Sheep Herder of New Zealand

The centerpiece of the episode focuses on Amy Bach, a notorious scammer from the late 19th to early 20th century New Zealand. Laci meticulously narrates Amy's elaborate frauds, starting with her deceptive guise as Percival Leonard Carroll Redwood, a wealthy sheep farmer. Amy's charm and strategic storytelling allowed her to secure loans and marry into affluent families, all while orchestrating a series of cons that spanned decades.

Key Points:

• Early Life: Born in 1859, Amy faced familial challenges, with her mother being institutionalized for mental health issues.
• Initial Scams: Began with minor frauds like acquiring goods on false credit and sending inflated purchases to unsuspecting families.
• Transformation into Percy Redwood: Successfully impersonated a male sheep farmer to integrate into rural communities, securing loans and planning grand weddings based on false pretenses.
• Arrest and Conviction: Detection by Detective Henry Hunt led to her eventual arrest. Amy's ability to manipulate perceptions resulted in a relatively lenient sentence despite her extensive criminal activities.
• Legacy: Despite multiple convictions, Amy maintained a reputation for being a "wholesome criminal," avoiding violent crimes and maintaining respectable employment.

Notable Quotes:

Laci Mosley [32:08]: "Amy leaned on her reputation as Percy to obtain loans and build a façade of generosity and trustworthiness."

Monét X Change [33:42]: "Gemini rising. So I definitely have a little scam in me."

The discussion sheds light on the societal context of Amy's scams, including gender roles and the exploitation of mental health stigmas to deflect blame.

Notable Quote:

Laci Mosley [45:03]: "Amy was high on lies and scams. Percy, you fucked up because when you were Amy, you had the sympathy of sexism."

Modern Scams: Impersonation in Business

Transitioning from historical frauds, the trio examines a contemporary scam involving Goldman Sachs and Ozzy Media. The incident entailed an impersonator using altered digital voices to deceive executives during a high-stakes investment meeting. This scam highlights the evolving nature of fraud in the digital age, where technological advancements are weaponized to perpetrate deceit on a corporate scale.

Key Points:

• The Scam: Carlos Watson of Ozzy Media orchestrated a Zoom meeting impersonation using Samir Ryo’s voice, misleading Goldman Sachs into believing they were dealing with legitimate executives.
• Detection: Post-meeting discrepancies and a scrambled voice led to suspicions, prompting an investigation by YouTube and alerted Goldman Sachs.
• Response: Ozzy Media attributed the incident to a mental health crisis affecting their COO, an explanation that partially satisfied stakeholders but left other fraudulent activities unchecked.
• Implications: Raises concerns about corporate security measures and the sophistication required to thwart such high-level impersonations.

Notable Quote:

Monét X Change [62:35]: "Look at how fake this smile is. Nobody should be smiling that hard."

Laci Mosley [65:57]: "Carlos, I'm gonna skim. Carlos."

Humorous Banter and Closing

Throughout the episode, Laci, Lady Bunny, and Monét engage in light-hearted and humorous exchanges, making sharp observations about scams while keeping the tone entertaining. Their chemistry and wit provide a refreshing take on the often serious topic of fraud.

Notable Quote:

Laci Mosley [67:18]: "I can't be with him."

Lady Bunny [67:25]: "So, Percy. Percy remarried, but divorced again because of his debts."

Conclusion

Fraud Friday with Lady Bunny and Monét X Change offers a compelling mix of historical insights, personal anecdotes, and contemporary fraud analysis, all delivered with the signature humor and charisma of the Scam Goddess and her esteemed guests. This episode not only educates listeners on the intricacies of scams but also underscores the importance of vigilance in an ever-evolving landscape of deceit.

Closing Quote:

Laci Mosley [69:11]: "Stay Scheming. Scam Goddess."

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lady Bunny]

Scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's Poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And we're back for another installment of Scam Goddard. God, yes. And I'm especially proud and very. What? Yes. Excited. Don't y' all love our parasocial relationship? It's like we are real friends in real life. Cause we is, y' all. We is now. I skimmed a little bit to get these two on the show. I ran into them at a function. Oh, I actually ran into one of them at a function. And I was like, oh, you got into my podcast. And, you know, it finally worked out. My people hit his people and chased him down and hunted them like Liam and Taegan did a lot of neck chopping. And now we're here. Today we have two legendary drag queens on the show. One is an iconic comedian, recording artist, DJ, and former roommate of RuPaul. The other is a guest and a winner. I had to put some pause in that. And a winner of RuPaul's Drag Race. Y' all know all star season four. Y' all know how hard that is. Okay? Along with Trinity Tuck and will be competing in Drag Race All Star Studio Season 7. Y' all know we love Drag Race All Stars. That's on Paramount. Plus, that's where iCarly lives. Y' all get into my streaming platforms. Together they host the hilarious podcast Ebony and Ivory on Starburns Audio. Get into it. Congregation, please welcome Lady Bunny and Monet X. Change to the show. Hey.

[Monet X Change]

Hey, Lacey.

[Lacey Mosley]

How are you doing, girl? Yes, girls. Okay, I'm gonna be honest. We've been in the studio for 45 to 50 minutes trying to. We had the new studio. We trying to get everything hooked up. The wires, we plugging in the modem and whatnot. And we did it. And thank you, guys.

[Monet X Change]

We were trying to scam you out of your own podcast, but Buddy and I sent a mark. So you think that one of the people working for you. No, baby. That is a symbiote that we sent to pretend like they were helping you to scam you out of your own podcast. So you're welcome.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Lady Bunny]

And that 45 minutes of you cursing and us and everybody else, all the publishers, we were actually recording that for our own podcast. So we got 45 minutes. It's going to be like a two part, then yours is going to start. But you already scammed us when we're on here because you said our podcast was Ebony and Ivory. It's Irony.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ebony and Irony. Wait, can I not read or did. Nope. You know what? It's a typo in here. It's Ebony and Irony. Wow. Wow. I'm being sabotaged. Cause mine says Ivory, which made sense. Cause one of y' all is white and the other one is black. So that makes sense to me. But that's a fun play. Ebony, Buddy, Ivory, Lady.

[Monet X Change]

Lady Bunny thinks she black. Cause she done had a whole lot of black dick in the Village in her. But she's not.

[Lady Bunny]

Excuse me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Lady Bunny's an ally. She's an ally in the booty.

[Lady Bunny]

Excuse me. Exc. Excuse me. Do not limit the amount of black dick or any other kind of dick that I got to the Village, honey. Cause I've gotten It all over the world. I'm an international slut. I'm an international slut.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. You're like, don't limit it to just the village. You're like, I've had ebony dick in Ghana. I've had ebony dick in Jamaica, honey.

[Lady Bunny]

I used to live in Ghana for one year when I was. When I was 11 years old. But that was a little too early for me to be getting dick. I did. I lived in Cape coast in Ghana, West Africa.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, y' all, don't cancel me after this episode because I can just tell these two queens about to be wilding, okay? I got endorsements to protect Lord Jesus. All stayed in my in good hands. I'm just playing. They dropped me. That used to be my insurance provider. I got in too many accidents. Thank God that didn't happen. When I was like, relatively famous because they could come after me for my coins, I was like, I'm poor. It was right before the pandemic. That's the best time to get into a four car pileup.

[Monet X Change]

Was this in la, people in la. Let me tell you something. I learned how to drive in New Jersey, okay? I'm from New York, where I went to college in Jersey. I learned how to drive in Jersey.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you've never pumped your own gas, Monet?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, well, now that now living in la, I have. Which, let me tell you this, which is honestly just the peasant life. I can't believe I have to pump my own gas. But no, but people in la, it's like they don't. They have not comprehended the art of driving. When it rains, people acting like it's acid outside, they're driving at like 20 miles an hour on the fucking 101. It's insane behavior.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, it never rains here, Monet. It never rains here. And if you took driver's school like I did, I never took a driver's test, which now I feel like was a scam. Cause I never took a driver's test. They just gave me my license. I came in with my paperwork and the driver instructor was like, you need more practice. And I was like, well, I'm not gonna get it. My parents busy and just went and got my license. But like, the first day that it ran is the most dangerous. Cause the roads are slick and it never rains in Southern California, so. Oh, my goodness, it never rains. The girls are driving slow. Cause it may be cold on the east coast, but over here we getting in pileups.

[Lady Bunny]

Now. Lacey, would you compare your driving skills with your podcast Recording skills.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't do that, Lady Ma. Don't do that. Okay? There's many factors at hand, and you will not disrespect my team. Okay? Okay. Judith and Marina and Kaylin, they work very hard. These are all women of color, lady money. That's how you wanna go out, talking about women of color?

[Lady Bunny]

I would never disrespect them. I was disrespecting you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fair. Fair. You can always disrespect me. I will welcome that. But I have to ask you both, and either of you can chime in first if you know, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Do you hate them? I know I scammed Monet and then subsequently you, Lady Bunny, into being on the show. Cause I met Monet at We Are Here, where Monet gave the most amazing performance and was like, beat the fuck down. Looked good as hell. And I was like, can you come on my. Can you come on my podcast? Like, can you appear?

[Lady Bunny]

Wait, Monet looked good. Are you sure that Was the Season 2 premiere? Not one.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Monet was in yellow. How many seasons in yellow Looks a fucking sunflower? And we all know black people are sunflowers.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. So my relationship to scamming, I have to tell you. So, like I said, I'm from New York City and full T. Like, in my early 20s and, let's be honest, late teens, I dated a lot of scamming ass niggas. And, you know, I'm not ashamed to say it. It was a part of my life. I luxuriated in the scammation of it all. I reaped, luxuriated.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scammation. Yes.

[Monet X Change]

I reap the benefits of said scamming at some points. And sometimes I was scared of the scamming that was taking place. So I don't know about laws and statutes or limitations. I'm not gonna say no names, but I definitely was reaping the benefits of dating a scamming dude in the past.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, how did you know you were dating a scamming dude? Cause I dated some scamming dudes. I dated a dude who had a magnesis card, which, if you don't know what that is, it's the bill. Billy McFarland who created the whole Fyre Fest thing with Ja Rule.

[Lady Bunny]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

Ja Rule about my baby.

[Monet X Change]

Not the Fyre Festival card who was.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hoodwinked and led astray, allegedly. But they had a card he had created a card where he put, like, magnetism on the back, and he made it heavy like a black card. And he sold it to millennials and was like, y' all gonna get points back and go get to see Rick Ross up close. And, like, he gonna be like, ugh. And you gonna feel the sweat on your face. Like, it was like that. So I knew he was scamming because of that. How did you know that this dude. Or allegedly doesn't. How did you know that he was scamming?

[Monet X Change]

Well, he did not have a job. He never went to work, and he had all the freshest clothes. Like, every time a new pair of Jordans came out, he was copping a new pair of Jordans. And he was always going to. He was. And how. Okay, how we met was on Grindr. Okay, how we met was on Grindr. And he was like, hey, it was one of those. And any gay man out there, you know this message, like, hey, good Christian gaze on Grindr. Do you want to. Do you wanna get $5,000, like, in the next hour or so? And then I was like, you know, young me. I was like, sure. And then I did not fall, like, after, like, three or four messages back and forth, I did not fall for it. But me and him ended up hooking up. And I knew he was doing this to other people.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you scammed him. He hit you up and was like, I just received an inheritance. Send me the taxes and fees. And you were like, exactly.

[Monet X Change]

Exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then that's. The love began.

[Monet X Change]

Exactly. That's when the love began. So, I mean, I never helped with his scamming. I just wanted to make that very clear. But I knew that scabbing on the side and, you know, the dick was good, and, you know, it was great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Your Honor, I had never knew about his scams.

[Monet X Change]

I just knew about the holy power of his. Right. I just knew about the holy power of his foreskin. Honey.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exhibit A and B. Dick balls. Exhibit C. Abs. Like, you were like, I'm not involved. I love that you were. Bennett. You weren't in it. You were. Wes. You weren't in the mess. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Exactly.

[Lady Bunny]

Exactly.

[Monet X Change]

You know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Love that. Love that. Lady. Buddy, I know that you've had some experience with scabs. Cause you just give the energy of someone who has done crime or been adjacent to crime or in the cul de sac of crime.

[Lady Bunny]

I'll have you know that I am completely legit and on the level.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, but have you ever experienced. Okay, see? Okay.

[Lady Bunny]

Yeah. I will tell you about one of my favorite scams that happened, I think it was in the 90s. So I don't know if y' all remember Shirley Murdoch, who sang as We Lay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do remember the song, yes.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, so she was a singer. That was probably her biggest hit. But she also recorded with this. Yes, but that was like a solo hit. So there was.

[Monet X Change]

I'm too young for that. I don't know that kind of music. I'm too young.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, well, y' all can talk about Beyonce.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's called Cultured. Because I'm very young, but it's called cultured.

[Lady Bunny]

You talk about Beyonce, I'll talk about Shirley Murdock. Anyway, this drag queen started impersonating her. Now, this was before cell phone FaceTime verification and whatnot. And so he started impersonating her, showing up at events and being escorted around by security. And, I mean, there are pictures. I mean, he looked like a real, you know, woman. He looked a bit like Shirley. But we couldn't.

[Lacey Mosley]

At that point, you couldn't Google, I'm showing my age.

[Lady Bunny]

Yes, she is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so see, that's the superpower of being black and doing scams. Because people, you know, that's where you can tap into the power of Ra and nobody knows what your face looked like. I had a fake ID of a girl who didn't look nothing like me. And I would flare my nostrils and they would just let me into club.

[Lady Bunny]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So I get how this scam works. So this drag queen was impersonating Shirley.

[Lady Bunny]

And then she would get free hotel rooms and just show up. And the thing that was, she appeared on a national talk show like Geraldo or one of those back then. And the thing that gagged me is that even at her height, when as We Lay was on the charts, Shirley Murdock was a brilliant singer. But she was never that big of a deal to where she would be getting free hotel rooms anyway. So this was an A list scammer. Cause he was able to pretend to be Shirley Murdoch.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then now you acting like Lady Bony. You acting like Shirley could have been as we layin everywhere. Like she could be everywhere at once. So they were like, it's Tuesday night at the Applebee's and Shirley's. Here we go. See it?

[Lady Bunny]

I don't think that this drag queen ever performed as Shirley.

[Lacey Mosley]

She just came in and said, I'm Shirley.

[Lady Bunny]

And they were like, I mean, Shirley's a singer. How you gonna pop out there in lip sync? Oh, I have allergies tonight.

[Lacey Mosley]

Singers lip Sync all the time. Let's not act like the girls haven't gotten lazy. They're not on the treadmill like Beyonce was singing and running, you know, not. Surely they're not doing. They can't do what they used to.

[Monet X Change]

You leave Trixie Mattel out of this, okay? That's not her fault. She doesn't have a lot of talent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, I know Trixie. She is a friend of the show. Now, don't. That doesn't mean she has Trixie cosmetics. And shout out to Trixie. Cause she got a new hairline. And Trixie is bald. And I said, if this ain't a bald man telling bitches how to grow hair. I was like, you better go ahead, Trixie. You better go ahead.

[Lady Bunny]

That's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, but it's not, though. Cause Trixie makeup is good as hell, too. She be sending me the products. Look, I Stan Trixie. I do.

[Lady Bunny]

You just said she was bald and selling hair products.

[Lacey Mosley]

She is, and she will appreciate that. Leave that in. Don't edit that out. Marina. Did y' all see. Just a quick pullover. Were y' all. Did y' all go to dragcon?

[Monet X Change]

I went for, like, a little bit on the first day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did you see the messiness on Twitter where Gia.

[Monet X Change]

Gia Gunn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Gia Gunn was telling everybody that nobody had any beauty.

[Monet X Change]

She was like, there was zero glamour this year. Dragon, let me tell you something. Gia Gunn is so good at the Internet, and she knows how to make people. How to get people up and up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get them going, gets the people going.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, she knows how to get people upset. I fucking live for it. It's so much drama. I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was so fun. I mean, what is dragcon without some drama, you know? What is it without a tussle? The girls like to tussle.

[Lady Bunny]

Maybe her lash was so wonky again, that she didn't see. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all not bring me into this. I am Sweden when it comes to the drag queens. I'm Sweden.

[Lady Bunny]

No, if she didn't. If she wanted to see some beauty, she should have spent more time outside Monet's booth.

[Monet X Change]

I wasn't there. I didn't have a booth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Monet does give beauty, though. Monet gives beauty.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Always. But also, Gia gives beauty, too. So I was like, you know what, Gia? You go ahead and you let the girls know that you give beauty. You were the only one, apparently, according to you. And I love that for you scams. Y' all know how Amazon was just previously used to, you know, go on and get something very specific. Like you want some earrings that look like Michelle Obama or something like just very specific that you can't buy in a store. Well, now Amazon is a great place to get all your essentials. You can get your toiletries. You can have them scheduled to deliver your toiletries, which I do because I'd be running out of toilet paper. And that's very embarrassing. Like to be on the toilet and you don't have no paper. Like that's, that's very sad and embarrassing. Can't believe I told y' all that. But next time you run out of coffee or realize you out of light bulbs, don't be in the dark. Amazon has you covered. Save every day with deals from Amazon. That's the sound of summertime. Sun sizzling on your skin. Eggs cooking on a hot sidewalk. As temperatures rise, it's the perfect time to refresh your wardrobe. Not with just summer essentials, but versatile pieces for every season ahead. Everything from Quinn's is half the cost of similar brands because they work directly with top artisans and cut out the middleman, giving you luxury without the markup. So y' all know I have like the summertime dresses and they're so easy to put on and sometimes I just need to put on one thing and button it up because I'm so tired. Quinn's can give you everything. They also have great jewelry, y' all. You really need to get into it. Give your summer closet an upgrade with quin. Go to quince.com goddess for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's Q, U I N C to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com goddess y' all. Let's get into it. Our first segment is called what's Hot and Fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the zeitgeist. And as always, guys, snitch on your friends and [e-mail] just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to.

[Lady Bunny]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Fuck up your bag. Amen. So, lady Monique Monet. I need a fake name for this person. We do not care about gender on this show, so run it up.

[Monet X Change]

Um, Kelsey.

[Lacey Mosley]

Kelsey. Oh, I haven't had a Kelsey.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love a Kelsey. Bring Kelsey back. I feel like people aren't naming their kids Kelsey anymore. I know Karen's gonna definitely be on the downfall, but I also. Karen and Linda were never names for children like Karen and Linda are grown women. Who work in hr. They're not children. Name. I don't know what they call you as a kid when they name you Karen. Kk. They can't call you Karen. You know?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's like if your name is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Walter as a baby, we're not calling you Walter. That's weird.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that is weird.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're 1 years old.

[Monet X Change]

Bad things inside. Yeah. Or maybe like, you know them babies that are born and they look like old ladies as babies. So those are all Karens?

[Lacey Mosley]

They are. They're all Karens and Cheryls and Agatha and Martha. I'm gonna bring it back. My grandmama named Mildred.

[Monet X Change]

Mild. Oh my goodness. Mildred. That is an old black lady name. It sure is. It is.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna run it back and we'll call the baby Millie. You know, Millie. And then she'll be Mildred when she get grown. And she get a W too. As soon as she Sign her first W2. She'll be Mildred.

[Monet X Change]

She'll be Mildred.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so Kelsey says back in the early 2000s, a well known nationwide bus company. I wish you would have stitched on what the name of the bus company is. You don't work for that. But said they sold unlimited travel passes that would let you ride the bus anywhere in the USA from one city to another for two, three or four weeks, depending on the pass that you bought. The longer travel period, the more expensive the pass. A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend.

[Monet X Change]

Kelsey, girl, I'm about to say bitch. This is not your friend. Why do you even care now? She just spilled all the tea. She don't know these people.

[Lacey Mosley]

This sounded like lies, not you giving me six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Of the friend. This is too far away. I don't know if this is a friend, sis. I feel like a friend of a friend maybe, but a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend? You don't know that. Honestly, I'm friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of Beyonce. I could probably make that work. Like, that's too many friends. So this friend of a friend of a friend of a friend must have bought an actual pass at some point, but somehow got through someone I knew and I got ahold of a scanned copy of an original pass. Now I just wanna pause here. Have y' all ever taking a bus? Like, okay, there's city buses, you know, that's like you're going stop to stop. But have you ever taken a bus from a state to another state?

[Monet X Change]

Ooh, no, like those. Like those bolt Buses and stuff. I've never done that.

[Lady Bunny]

Oh, many times.

[Monet X Change]

I don't trust that. Really?

[Lady Bunny]

Honey, I'm from Chattanooga. They don't exactly have Northeast Amtrak. Plush.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Yahoos just got running water and fucking electricity like last week.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, the Amtrak is not giving. I had to take an Amtrak cuz my best friend Jojo had a remote birthday party upstate New York. And I was like, I'm gonna get the first class car. That'll be cute. And I should remember even the first.

[Monet X Change]

Class cars get the fantasy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was so dirty. And I was just sitting there like a hostage, like, oh, I don't wanna touch anything.

[Monet X Change]

And you know, people do tiktoks about it. They're like, I'm taking, I'm taking. They do like these timelines, tiktoks of them taking the first class Amtrak, whatever. And it looks so dirty. They gotta like, you gotta like pee. Like the toilet is like underneath the bed under. It's, uh. No, no, no, no, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't wanna shower with toilet water. That's not fair.

[Monet X Change]

Oh my God. I just. I literally shower.

[Lady Bunny]

Why not? Why not?

[Lacey Mosley]

Lacey, I am a descendant of slaves. I should never have to shower with toilet water. It's ridiculous that I have to pay taxes. I should get 10 years off. Y' all not gonna give me 40 acres and a mule. At least give a me 10 years off of Uncle Sam fucking putting his ski mask on and being like, run it up, you know.

[Monet X Change]

We want to talk about scams. The fucking US Government is the biggest scam out there anyway.

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly. No, look, America is a whole scam. And I say it all the time. Okay? That's all we exist off of. Robbery and fraud. We will sell you a dream. That's why we got the white picket fence. The biggest scam of all. Like, yeah, come over here. You can get a white picket fence. Actually, you go get an apartment with a mean landlord and it's going to be too expensive and he ain't never going to fix that asbestos. You know, you better stay up at night and watch them mesothelioma commercials. Cause you gonna need it. But I have taken buses. I used to take the. When I was in college, I was in Pennsylvania. And we would go to New York City and we would go to Canada and other places. We would take the Megabus. And at that time, the Megabus was cute. It was really clean. It was like they had wifi. They had little tables you could do your homework on and stuff. And then the regular girls found out about the Megabus. And then it went downhill.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, the Megabus and the boat bus and all those buses are. Yeah, I never took any of those.

[Lacey Mosley]

I did back in the day. And they were cute. And then they.

[Lady Bunny]

It was $1, $1 to get from here if you booked early.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And then they started upping it a little bit. They were like, $1. Okay, now it's $24. Okay, now it's $56. Okay, now it's $107. I was like, what? What's going on?

[Lady Bunny]

Well, honey, that's the same thing that's going on with Uber and the surge prices and every other kind of prices. They're going up.

[Lacey Mosley]

That is. Cause Uber was a scam. They literally subverted the cab market and were like, if we get a bunch of venture capitalists to invest in Uber, then we can operate basically making no profit, subvert the market, ruin the cab industry, and then jack up the prices because we all. You got. That's what happened with Uber. And I loved it and I hated it because I lived in New York City and. Monet, you said you lived in New York City. I've been clipped by so many cabs. I've been hit by so many cabs that I was.

[Monet X Change]

And why didn't you sue?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause I could. They was driving off too fast. I couldn't get the license plate.

[Monet X Change]

Girl, there is a. There is a surveillance camera on every corner of New York City. Girl, you could. You could own the city of LA right now. Okay. You could own Los Angeles County.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. How long they keep them traffic cameras up? Maybe I could retroactively sue because they owe me money.

[Monet X Change]

I've had two friends that have sued that got hit by cars and sued the state of New York, and each of them are. And both of them were for just under a million dollars they got in the settlement back.

[Lacey Mosley]

People, if the cabs hit you in New York, y' all gotta sue. Get your camera phone out, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Stay right on that ground. Stay on that floor. Do not move, girl, until you are on a stretcher.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was just down bad. I didn't even know. I didn't even know. I could have sued. Wowzers. Yeah, girl. Wowzers. So we're talking about a scam that's being done to the bus company. Right? Right. So this person said the friend to friend to friend to friend got the actual pass that lasted all year long. And then somehow they got a scan of the pass, like a copy. So compared to a city to city ticket from the same company, the unlimited travel pass was Extremely easy to forge. It was basically just a black and white piece of double sided thick paper which was really easy to photoshop on any computer. Print out on Kinko's and glue together. I know that's right. If you gonna be a scammer, you gotta be adept in Photoshop.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta know about indesign. The indesign girlies shout out to y' all. You gotta be able to fabricate things online. All you had to do was flash your forged pass to the bus driver and voila, a free ride anywhere in the country. I have never actually seen one genuine pass in real life. Damn. So all your friends was scamming? Okay, wow. Punk friends and I forged many passes over the years which allowed us to travel around the country. I'm assuming you're saying punk like y' all was doing like punk rock. Like I was like Courtney Love or something. But okay, one year I went to New Orleans. I went from New Orleans to New York City and on another trip from Detroit to Los Angeles via the Grand Canyon and Las Vegas. All fuh free. Long distance bus is not the most glamorous way to travel. No, it is not. Like even you saying that you went all these distances, I'm like, yo booty, not numb.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I was like, yeah, that's cute and all, but when you forget to get to New York City for tourney to New Orleans, bitch, that's like a two or three day trip. So by the time you take off from your job. No, that sounds.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, right. They were like, I went from Austin to Toronto. That don't sound good. I don't want to ride from Austin to Toronto. I need to be in the air, girl.

[Monet X Change]

But although some people love that shit though, people love like seeing the trees, I'm not that girl. I want to get on a plane and be there in less than an hour.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can Google. I can google a tree.

[Lady Bunny]

I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that they love it. It's just that some of them hate flying. And you know, my dad has not refused to fly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Driving is more dangerous statistically than flying.

[Monet X Change]

Hello.

[Lady Bunny]

But that's not talking about danger. I'm talking about do they like it?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh yeah. I don't like flying.

[Monet X Change]

I like flying.

[Lady Bunny]

So a lot of people, just as we've seen throughout the pandemic, a lot of people just do what they want.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true. But I do not like flying. And every time I see a plane crash, even though they're super Rare. It's. It just scares me so much every time I get on a plane and that bitch is like, wheels up. And you know, they're like, assassin. Seatbelt. I surrender myself to God. Like, every single time. I'm like, well, if I die, I die. Like, I have no control now. We ended a bird in the air. I don't know how this works, but.

[Monet X Change]

Yet every time you get in your car and passing a seatbelt, you don't think the same thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Which is crazy because I'm a terrible driver. I should really be afraid every time I turn on my engine because I know I am a horrible commuter. I should not have a license. I'm a menace to society. My friend just got a baby in this bitch. Sticker on the back of her car. It just says, baby in this bitch. And she just had a baby. And I was like, where you get that? Cause I want that so people be more sympathetic to my terrible driving. And I can be in the HOV lane. So, Liz, like, hook me up.

[Lady Bunny]

Scammer. Scammer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gotta be. I low key was about to get one of them thin blue line stickers and put it on my car. Do I support the police? Hell, no. But if I got a thin blue line sticker, maybe they won't pull my ass over for expired tax. Maybe if I'm just like, I love white supremacy, then the cops will leave me alone.

[Monet X Change]

Blue lights matter, please.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Listen, you know how many cops I've cried in front of to get out of tickets? And also probably out of murder? A lot.

[Monet X Change]

Does it work? Does it work? Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I've been pulled over several times for doing wild shit, usually in the middle of the night, which is what I call horse and buggy hours. Because, like, I don't have to listen to the traffic stop. It's 2:00am like, ain't nobody out here. I'mma make a right hand turn from the left hand lane. Bitch, this is Little House on the Prairie. Like, ain't nobody out here. Giddy up.

[Monet X Change]

I'm so done with you. I'm fucking done.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm serious. But then I get pulled over. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm a woman and I'm black. You know, we not as good as y' all at thinking. I don't want anybody to ever record me getting pulled over at a traffic stop. Cause they'll be like, you are an embarrassment to the race. To the race. To the culture, to the queer. I'll do it all.

[Monet X Change]

I live. I live.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Kelsey. Says she's done all this long distance tripping and it's not glamorous, but she's like, it's free. And it saved us thousands of dollars in airfare or bus fares. It was such a good scam. And the bus would have been traveling that route anyway, likely with empty seats. So I don't really feel guilty about how much we ripped off the bus company. As you should.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I agree. Don't feel bad. They're fine. Listen, there's no way that a corporation becomes a billion dollar corporation or a multimillion dollar by being completely ethical. I fully believe that.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you have to kill people if you're gonna be a billionaire. People have to die under your watch. It's just a problem.

[Monet X Change]

I agree. So you know what? So you can scam a little bit. They'll be just fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

They'll be all right. They will. Honestly, that's reparations. We talk about that a lot on this show. It's like, look, capitalism is a scam, so get yours, you know. Yeah, Message your mask on first, but.

[Lady Bunny]

Get yours is also the message of capitalism.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but when you're under the foot of the boot, getting yours is not the same as when you are the boot.

[Lady Bunny]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because then that's just self control. Like you're hoarding wealth, you're hoarding resources, and you just don't care. We just trying to be alive.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I agree.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's time for historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Monet x Change and Lady Bunny with a famous con caper group of criminals. We'll see. And we'll get their opinions all throughout. So we are to put a content warning at the top of this. We're going to lightly explore some mental health issues in this episode. But as always, guys, a lot of us have mental health issues and I. I'm so happy to live in a time where it's less shameful. I mean, it's still. There's still stigma attached, but it's way less shameful than, you know, in the 80s if you saw a therapist and they'd be like, why are you doing that? You look crazy now. It's like we all talk to somebody and it's all normal and okay for the most. So we're talking about the turn of the 20th century. New Zealand was taken by storm by a chronic criminal who committed crimes seemingly for their own sake. She was notoriously clever and even convinced a woman to marry her, all while disguised as a wealthy sheep farmer. Amy Bach may have Pleaded insanity, but she still went on to have a very extensive career. Okay, Amy.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Miss Amy.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you went from mental health awareness to, no, I'm a crazy. Is that gonna get me outta jail?

[Monet X Change]

She tried to pull a Lacey.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why is it a Lacey?

[Monet X Change]

No, because you're like, keep me out.

[Lady Bunny]

I promise.

[Monet X Change]

I ain't do nothing good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Put me in a little petty room.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay. I think I may need some mental help. But how did we get from mental health to the sheep herd criminal?

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, see, look, I don't know what Old MacDonald is up to. I don't know if she had a farm. I don't know the EIs, and I do not know the EIOs. Okay? We just ride together.

[Lady Bunny]

You do. You do.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't. I swear to God, everybody knows. On this podcast, I will submit research to my researcher, Kaylyn, and things that I think are cool. And then I don't read the research full out because I like to be on the ride with all of you.

[Lady Bunny]

I'm teasing you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Our social relationship.

[Lady Bunny]

I'm teasing you. Monet. Got it. I just got lost. So I'm saying I need the minute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, I'm gonna get you unlost. I'm gonna hit you with the Waze. Okay.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which we know Waze is a little treacherous. Okay? It's not gonna be Google Maps. It's not gonna be Apple Maps. It's gonna be Waze. So Amy Modbach was born May 18, 1859. Does that make her a Gemini?

[Monet X Change]

I feel like that's Gemini May 18th. No, Gemini is after the 20th. Right. Isn't it?

[Lacey Mosley]

So it's a Taurus. That's a Taurus. Okay. Tauruses are very caring. They're very responsible and stoic. I feel like that makes a good scammer. Geminis are also great scammers. I love a Gemini woman scammer and a Sagittarius woman scammer, so. Oh, because the Sagittarius women, the SAG women are wild, so.

[Monet X Change]

Are they?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Are you a sag?

[Lacey Mosley]

I am not. I am a cancer.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, you're a cancer. You're a water sign. You're emotional.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't do that. Okay, now, listen, if we really know each other, then yes, it's. Get in, bitch. Let's go crying. Okay. I love a good cry, but if you don't know me, I'm an Aries moon, and that's what you gonna get, you know?

[Monet X Change]

I am a Gemini rising. So I definitely have a little scam in me.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm a Libra rising. That makes sense why we work so well together and how I got you here, Monet. Yes.

[Monet X Change]

And Lady Bunny's just the devil. She's a little.

[Lady Bunny]

No, no, no. I take. My sister is a Taurus. Born in.

[Lacey Mosley]

And why are you starting with your sister like she on this podcast? What are you.

[Lady Bunny]

I'm trying to make a. I'm trying. I'm a Leo, but I'm trying to make a connection. Cause my sister's a Taurus also born in 1959. I'm just trying to get into the podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I said 1850 times 1859.

[Lady Bunny]

Well, she's. Listen, she's my twin sister. She was born in 1859.

[Lacey Mosley]

How y' all twins and you a Leo, She a Gemini. What's going on?

[Lady Bunny]

Well, okay, you got. You busted. I'm busted.

[Lacey Mosley]

I.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, I give up.

[Lacey Mosley]

These things, we being scammed. We all being scammed by Lady Bunny right now. And I love that for us. So she was born in Hobart, Tasmania. Amy Modbach's father was an artist and a photographer, and her mother died in psychiatric hospital when Amy was 13. So 1859 is when they would put women in psychiatric hospitals. If they, like, talk too much or if they had too many opinions, they'd be like, give that woman a lobotomy. So who knows if. If the mother needed to even be in a psychiatric hospital because it was a bad time. It's still a bad time now, but at least they not locking us up for having thoughts. Well, they still are, but not as much. So growing up, Amy's scam career started small and fairly innocent. She would purchase large quantities of items, such as books under her father's name and give them away to random people. She also told elaborate and wild stories. Yes, we love a lot. Liar. So despite that, Amy had a relatively normal and well educated upbringing, and as an adult, found an employment as a teacher in Gippsland, a rural region of Victoria, Australia. And Australia is the criminal capital of the world, because that's where they were sending all the criminals.

[Monet X Change]

Yo, right? But let me tell you something. The criminal capital world with big ass dicks. Let me tell you something, okay? I went to Australia and I. The amount of dick they are slinging. The amount of dick they are slinging out in Australia. Girl, girl, I need to go to the outback.

[Lacey Mosley]

I need to get some dick on the barbie.

[Monet X Change]

There are some white men with some big old dicks in Australia. It's crazy. Eyes have not seen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Things out.

[Monet X Change]

How do you. Eyes have not seen Ears have not heard the amount of dick down in Australia because I've toured there at least six or seven times now, and every time I am gobsmacked by what I wish.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not gobsmacked. Not Down Under. Not the down under. Having the down Under.

[Lady Bunny]

No, literally gobsmacked. Like, oh, slap it across.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so the Joeys be Joeying. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

All right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love to hear it. Want to see it? So. So she started small, right? And she was telling these lies and stuff. Despite that, Amy had a relatively normal, well educated upbringing. She found employment. She, you know, was living her life. She first ra a spot of trouble when she received a summons for acquiring goods on false credit. Now, this is like, she was born in 1859, so these are like the early 1900s when she's approaching adulthood. We don't have no credit was invented in the 80s, you know, like, there's no real way to tell what's going on.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she must have been doing enough fraud that they were like, wait a minute. Because I feel like you could do a decent amount of fraud without getting caught in this.

[Lady Bunny]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

But at this time, it probably wasn't. It probably wasn't. There were, like. But, like, what, a hundred people in town? So if you. The person that always come back, they were like, something is afoot here. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I have a feeling that Amy Bach might have been a bad bitch, too. Cause, like, it's like, people remember your face. Amy, what's going on?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, so many of the goods that she purchased were unusual. One time, she famously bought a number of coffins from all the undertakers in town and then sent them to one family. However, despite being caught, the judge discharged Amy with a conviction. So I don't know why she was. Look, these are the 1800s. The whole reason we have birthdays is because all the babies used to be dying. So. And it was like, yeah, it was like, let's celebrate your baby didn't die. Like, we are. We've been in a formula shortage. And people have been like, oh, I don't understand why that's a big deal. Like, there's breast milk and da, da. I'm like, do you realize that before we had formula, the babies just died? Like, they just died. So, I mean, coffins are expensive. If you want to run me some discount coffins, that might be the move. I'd be like, thank you so much. Then be like 4,000, 8,000 a pop.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, well, you know, you can buy coffins at Costco.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true. We should all stop buying that coffee at Costco.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause like look, we can put some mesh on your coffin. We could put some like cute stuff on it to make it better. Like you don't need a nice coffin. Pine is fine.

[Monet X Change]

Pine is fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lady Bunny]

I mean, this scammer would buy other people stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know why she's doing this. I can't tell you what that scam is. So when she was caught, they didn't convict her, which means she probably was a bad bitch. During that time, many people knew of her mother's death in a psychiatric hospital because there was still so much stigma about any forms of mental illness in the 19th century. Unfortunately, Amy was under her mother's reputation. So they said, because we sent your mama to the psychiatric hospital, probably because she was mouthing off too much, talking about she wanted rights. Now, you are also, you know, damaged by that. According to the local newspaper, quote, much sympathy has been felt for Ms. Bach, as her mistake is believed to have been caused by more hereditary misfortune than criminal intent. So Amy, not you using your mama and being like, well, y' all know my mama a looney being. So that's why I. I was scamming. That's why I did the robbery. It's hereditary. It's in my DNA. I'm supposed to steal. That's how I was born. Love that for her. Shortly after, Amy's father asked her to move to Auckland, New Zealand, with him and his second wife. Not you getting remarried all fast. And he was the one who put her in the loony b Girl fight. Your father Aisticus, right?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, that is shady. Yo, do dudes have always been trifling? Men have been trifling since the beginning of time. This is so shady.

[Lacey Mosley]

And why are we not blaming them? More like literally all the wars were caused by men. Why are we not blaming them?

[Monet X Change]

Girl, lock em up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lock all the CIS straight men up until we can figure out what's going on.

[Monet X Change]

All the CIS straight men and lady Bunny. She should be locked up as well. Institutionalized, actually.

[Lady Bunny]

What makes you think that I'm not cishet? I guess. I guess you have never met my wife.

[Lacey Mosley]

You want me to. You want me to send that back to you, Lady Bunny? What makes you think that I'm not sis hit? Honestly, that just sounded like poppers to me. I don't know what you thought I heard, but that's what I heard. So in Auckland, Amy worked as a governess, but within a few weeks had defrauded her employer. She appeared in te in front of a judge confessing to it all and was subsequently let off. So a governess was Basically, like a nanny, but for, like, an older girl back in the day. And, like, they just fucking.

[Lady Bunny]

I remember.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Lady Bunny]

I mean, yeah. Oh, thank you for telling me what that is.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm just saying for the people who are listening, lady. Buddy, it ain't just us. Y' all watch the Gilded Age. Y' all know what a governess is. I love that. The Gilded Age is basically Downton Abbey. They were like, we're gonna do it. Just as boring, but American.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I was like, I can't watch it. It's too. That shit is too boring.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love boring shit. They're like, this whole episode is about how we can't get the spoons polished for the dinner. Like, that's the whole episode. Love it.

[Monet X Change]

No, ma' am.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm into it. It's so petty and so small, and I need it. So she appeared in tears in front of the judge. She was like, I'm so sorry. I did it all. But remember my mama crazy. Y' all remember my mama crazy. That's why I did it. This became the start to a pattern of behavior across Amy's career. She'd find employment and charm her employees with her dil. But then a couple weeks later, she would use devious means to obtain small amounts of money. She'd either pawn her employees property or created elaborate fictions to convince people to give her money. You better, Amy. You better. Honestly, you probably got this shit from your dad. Cause your dad threw you into jail for. Threw your mama into jail for women. And he's probably the scammer here. And I feel like that's where you got this from. When she got cash, she disappeared for a few more weeks and then show up in court weeping and take advantage of her previous reputation and blamed her hereditary. Hereditary mental illness for her crimes. Yes, I know Amy was cute.

[Lady Bunny]

She must have been it.

[Lacey Mosley]

We got an image of her mugshot, so I hope that she's cute. So the judge would hand out a sentence. Rinse and repeat. In 1887, Amy was sentenced, and we got a mugshot to six months at Caversham Industrial School, an institution designed to train children whose parents could not care for them. It's unknown why she was sentenced here as an adult. Oh, wait. Get that picture up again. We need to see what Amy's giving.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Lady Bunny]

That's amazing, honey. That's amazing. Man. That's a man. That's a man, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no. I feel like she got bd. I feel like she got energy.

[Lady Bunny]

She said she was pretty.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like she got Energy.

[Lady Bunny]

You think she's got BD energy?

[Lacey Mosley]

I do. I have met some. Some women who could take me down who look just like Amy cuz they got that energy. I'm just like, yes. I don't know. I'm with you.

[Monet X Change]

Uh, Amy needs. Mm mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. Look how she posed too. This is a prison pose.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Amy, this is a prison pose. Amy's posting up. Uh, Amy's not for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Amy ain't got no lips, girl.

[Lady Bunny]

Wait, I think I'm related to her.

[Lacey Mosley]

You might be ladybug. You might be related to Amy. I see what you know, Amy looks like she got a binder on Amy. What kind of energy are you on Amy? Are you for the.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I mean Amy. Amy does look like she is doing a little waist training. I see her. Amy. Amy been sipping her flat tummy tea. Uh huh. Get an Amy waist training.

[Lady Bunny]

She's hungry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, that was back in the day where if you were thin it meant you were broke and if you were fat it meant you were rich.

[Lady Bunny]

Oh, I remember. I mean really. Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you couldn't afford food. So the richest people would be like well fed and like. And the poorest people would be gangly.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

She look good though. I don't know. I'm attracted. I'm just something. She doing something to me I don't like. Turn this off. Turn this off. Before I go find Amy grave.

[Lady Bunny]

You are not that desperate to where you are fantasizing about somehow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Farmer woman from H. Black woman in la. Okay? Desperation is high. Okay. And I'm successful. The pickings are so slim. Okay. We might have to be the one. What?

[Lady Bunny]

Lacey? Her?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. I like it. I like it. I don't know what you talking about. Okay. The energy. Thank you for turning that off, Marina. Because I was. I was getting a little hot. I was like, wait a minute. Where she. Where she at? Australia. Where they bear at the down under. What's it going on down there?

[Monet X Change]

I mean, is she Australia? She probably got a big ass dick. I'm telling you.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I wanna know and I wanna know. Okay. For the next eight years, Amy was in and out of courts and prisons for a series of fraud and larceny charges while also working as a music teacher at times. Okay. What you better be doing do ray me between jail prisons. See, Yes. I love this. During this period, she also lived with members of the Salvation Architect and convinced them to lend her funds to buy and furnish a six room house in Omaru. Wow. In the press. Amy grew popular because she was a wholesome criminal. She never drank, committed violent crimes, or engaged in prostitution.

[Monet X Change]

I like how that's the thing. And above all, she never was a whore.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I don't like that because I feel like these other two are wholesome. Like, if you. You can drink, as long as you. You know, you can do it in moderation or whatever, you commit violent crimes. We. Not about that. But prostitution. I'm sorry, y' all telling us we can be a hoe for free. But when I'm like, put a little money on the. On the dresser before you go. Then it's a crime. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Hoe is life and sex. Work is work. We don't play those games.

[Monet X Change]

Absolutely. Agreed.

[Lacey Mosley]

So despite this, Amy eventually landed herself at the Magdalena side for Fallen women near Christchurch in 1895 and fell out of the public eye. Quick background on Magdalene Asylums, also known as Magdalene laundries. The term implied female sexual promiscuity or work in prostitution. Young women who became pregnant outside of marriage or young girls and teenagers who did not have familial support would go to this place. They were required to work as a part of their board. And the institution operated large commercial laundries serving customers outside of their bays, operating often. Oh, no. And it was often considered abusive, indentured servitude. And we've talked about these laundry centers before. They were like, oh, you a ho. Did you. You like to fuck? Now you gotta wash clothes for the rest of your life.

[Monet X Change]

I'm thinking about that scene in Ever after with Drew Barrymore and Angelica Houston when they send them to work at one of these. At the end of the movie, you know what we were talking about?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't. I don't know that. This was like. I didn't know that. So you're. So you talked about this before. This happens often that they make. If you're seen as a whore, they send you to be a laundry person.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And people love to act like if you get pregnant, we don't know who participated in that. As if there's not a man involved. Why you not busting suds next to me? This should be a tie commercial. I agree. All the hoes got the cleanest laundry gain. Did you have a baby at a wedlock gain? This is disrespectful. So eventually, Amy's own cleverness caught up to her. One reporter even said a quote, the outstanding fact. In New Zealand, perhaps in Australia, this woman stands supreme in her cleverness over Other female criminals. So one thing that men really don't like is when they meet a woman who outsmarts them. Because they're like, women don't have brains. They have pussies for us to make sex with and.

[Monet X Change]

And do laundry with.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And do our laundry. And so if you outsmart a man, they are very upset about it. Anytime a complex scam popped up, police would automatically assume Amy is one of the ones clever enough to pull it off. Amy had come up with a new plan. So in 1907, she discovered when you're the most wanted female in criminal history, you stop being female. Oh, my God. She's trans. Oh. Ah. We won. I told you she was giving that energy.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't see this coming. I did not see this coming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Whoa. So now 48 years old, Amy turned up at a boarding house called Albaan House, right at the tip of the coast of Nugget Point in South Otago. I don't know where any of these places are. I'm assuming they're in. She posed as a wealthy sheep farmer. This is where the sheep come in. Lady bunny.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, I'm going back with you now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just waiting on the sheep.

[Lady Bunny]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Percival Leonard Carroll Redwood. That's too many names. That's too many names. She gave herself four names. That's. We know you're doing crime. Too many names. Befriending many in the area and cultivating a reputation for being generous and from a good family. So this is the farm that she. This farm looks cute. It's a little mountain in the bag of some water on the.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's very. It looks very peaceful. It's very serene.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would never assume anyone was scamming for him.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I. I like this for him.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel. Yes. So now I like this for him. So Amy then leaned on the reputation that they had built as Percy to obtain loans from good people of Nugget Point. And obviously this is a small. This is like cheers. Everybody knows your name. Like, they're not thinking that there's a scammer here. Percy soon became so popular at Albion House that its owners started considering Percy as a good fit to marry their 30 year old daughter, Agnes Ottaway. Now, this is the olden times. So at 30 years old, they was ready to throw your ass in the ocean if you weren't married.

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're like. You're a wench.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, thank God. God bless all women. If I was. If I had come into this world as a woman and lived back then, I would have been beheaded. I would have been under the girl. I would be. I would be gone. I would have been like a witch girl. Down.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was wild that they used to just call people witches and burned them. And everybody just agreed in the town, like, yeah, this sounds fine.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And like, imagine if this person. If the person was a witch and you. And then they did not die. You have just upset a witch and she's about to destroy all of y' all. Game over.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Lady Bunny]

What they would do is throw the. The alleged witches into water. And if they. Because they thought witch witches could not would float. So when they actually did drown, they knew that they weren't witches. But you had to drown to prove it, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, I feel like witches were just any woman who was smart, they were like, how do you know things? Bunner at the stake.

[Monet X Change]

Ooh, steak.

[Lacey Mosley]

This bitch knows arithmetic. I saw her with an abacus. Witch.

[Lady Bunny]

Well, or also the witch trials in Salem were attached to puritanical religion of the puritans.

[Lacey Mosley]

They used to burn all the bad bitches. If you was a city girl in the 1800s, it was over for you.

[Monet X Change]

Cardi B would be done.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Cardi B would be dead. Dead. Like, they definitely would have burned Cardi at the stake. She would have been up there like, ew. And they would have been lighting her up. No, no, I hate it for us. So within weeks of Percy arriving at Nugget Point, they got engaged to this 30 year old, you know, forsaken woman who could not find love. Cuz, you know, they was trying to marry the girls off at 12, so 30, they're like, all right, well, you going to die soon. Like, our life expectancy is very short, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Everybody only, only everybody only made it to the Jesus year. After 33 years, you were done curtains.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? That was it. You're Jesus year. You throw it up and then you gone. Like, what? And people used to die of like, bullshit. Honestly, so embarrassing. You died of chickenpox. Wow. Very ghetto. I'm glad I was born now and I didn't have to die nothing. Like, you know what percussus or what consumption. Consumption was just like, we don't know what you got, but you got a fever and you dying, so.

[Monet X Change]

I never even heard of consumption.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that was like a broad term for like people who was sick.

[Monet X Change]

Lacey, you're so knowledgeable on so many things. I know nothing. You need to be like my teacher in life. You're so you know everything.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, it's all about confidence, Monet. I might be lying sometimes. Sometimes the girls be tagging me on Twitter like, this is not true. And I'll be like, okay, what do you want? I'm not a journalist. I told you that. I said that up front. I'm not a journalist. So what? What do you want from me? So regardless, they had a large extravagant wedding, down to the five diamond wedding ring that Percy gave Agnes. In part, stirring up such great enthusiasm and chatter around the wedding helped quiet the murmurings from the number of people that Percy had yet to pay back. So they see this big ass wedding, they're like, well, Percy hasn't paid us back on our loans, but Percy got money for this wedding, so Percy obviously has coin. So we'll. We'll wait it out. What? See, Percy claimed that his wealthy family would arrive the day of the wedding and pay the outstanding debts. However, come the day of the wedding, no one showed, obviously. And Percy said it was because another family wedding was planned the same day. Now we got a picture of the family wedding. Let's zoom in on that. Okay. They got good cameras. Percy is giving the drip. So come the day of the wedding, obviously no one showed. And he's like, oh, you know, actually was another nuptial on the same day. They had multiple. So that's why my family couldn't come. Despite this, no one called Percy's bluff and Percy and Agnes were legally married. Tension heightened over the next few days and tales of. Okay, so now we can see the. The wedding photos.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving. Everybody had on their best. Like, the seamstress really pulled up. They made. The textiles are popping.

[Lady Bunny]

So what? Yeah, this is reminding me of the competitors on Drag Race All Stars season.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God.

[Lady Bunny]

Dusty. Dusty.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. Not the shade, lady. Money. Oh, my goodness. I'm in a forest. All the shade. I mean, look for the time. I think that was. Oh, my gosh, is this Percy?

[Monet X Change]

Look at Percy. Percy looks so handsome.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I knew Percy was fine. I knew Percy.

[Lady Bunny]

No, that looks. You said the last one was fine.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is. This is. This is Amy.

[Monet X Change]

This is Amy as Percy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Percy. Amy as Percy. Yes.

[Lady Bunny]

It looks like Paul McCarthy. McCartney.

[Monet X Change]

I see Paul McCartney. Yeah, I see Paul McCartney.

[Lady Bunny]

He looks like Paul McCartney.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, do you know him?

[Lady Bunny]

Designer Stella McCartney.

[Lacey Mosley]

I used to be Paul McCartney's personal server in the Hamptons at a seasonal restaurant. And he would call and ask for me because I knew all his family's allergies and shit and that his wife loved eggplant. And at the end of the season, he was like, Lacey, you Know you're gonna rise amongst the servers. And I was like, pa, I don't wanna be no damn server. But shout out to the servers. Cause I did it for a long time. And if you want to do it as a career, you absolutely can. And make bank if you work at the right places. That's no shade. But Paul was great, and it is giving. Paul McCartney. I'm giving. It's giving. Abby. Road. Percy. I would let Percy take me down. Percy got them eyes that just say, open your legs. And you'd be like, okay, I acquiesce. Okay, Percy.

[Lady Bunny]

I thought Monet was desperate.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. Why y' all calling me desperate? Oh, my God. It's hard out here. I'm a black woman in America.

[Monet X Change]

Lacey, do not even listen. Lady Bunny is. Ask Lady Bunny where her man is at. Where's your man, Lady Bunny?

[Lady Bunny]

Ooh, honey.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lady Bunny, Answer the question.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, I'm gonna answer the question. I like pussy. Now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pussy or pussy? It's a difference. Okay. With a P, not a B. Okay. Okay, Listen. This is pussy. There's plenty of opportunity out here. Equal opportunity. So, Percy. I love Percy. So much.

[Lady Bunny]

Pussy. I like pussy. Pussy. I'm sorry. I'm trying to keep up.

[Lacey Mosley]

So tensions heightened over the next few days, and tales of Percy's exploits reach Detective Henry Hunt, a hater. Anybody who's detectivizing, like, mind your business. Okay. Mind your business. So Detective Hunt had a hunch that he confirmed when he showed up at Nugget Point and with a picture of Amy, and people recognized Percy Redwood. So he showed up with a picture of Amy before his transition into Percy. And he was like, do y' all notice this person? And they were like, oh, yeah. That looked just like Percy. Four days after the wedding, Detective Hunt drove out to Albound House and Amy was arrested at the Ottaway household. Amy is Percy. She was convicted. Now, we're going back to female pronouns, but I'm just gonna keep it on his, because I feel like that's what Percy wanted. He was conv. At the Dundee Supreme Court and finally named a habitual criminal. See, Percy, you fucked up because when you were Amy, you had the sympathy of sexism. And then when you came Percy, they were like, all right, well, let's take this nigga down. So in their later years, Percy moved to Maukao, where he was said to have and organized many entertainments and plays and was the life of the district. Listen, Percy is giving good Christian, gay. Percy is giving vibes. Percy is giving a good. Probably some Good sex and I wanna know Percy. So Percy. Percy remarried, but divorced again because of his debts. Amy Bach. Percy died at Bombay, south of Auckland, 12 years later on August 29, 1943, at the age of 84. 84 in this time period?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's a lot old.

[Lady Bunny]

No, not Percy, Amy.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, Percy didn't have no good health care. Percy got high off life. Percy wasn't drinking. Percy wasn't violent. Percy wasn't doing drugs. But Percy was just high on lies and scams. And I love that for them. Percy, I love you. And it's time for Scammer of the week. There may be an update on this, guys, but at the time of recording, this is what we got for y' all. Investment making company Golden Sachs and media company Ozzy have had a falling out since it was discovered discovered that someone was impersonating an executive during a conference call between Goldman Sachs and YouTube. Quick note, Ozzy. Ozzy is a media company that writes newsletters, blog posts, produces festivals and runs large YouTube channels. The past winter, Goldman Sachs was closed to invest $40 million in Ozzy, a company with a charismatic CEO, Carlos Watson. That sounds like a good name. I would give car. I don't know if I would get Carlos my money, but I would go to his party.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, he's.

[Lady Bunny]

Oh, I've seen him.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, Carlos.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know Carlos.

[Lacey Mosley]

Carlos got a good smile though. That's a Colgate smile.

[Monet X Change]

That smile. That smile looks phony as hell. Nobody, no, no one should be smiling that fucking hard. Okay, Listen, he's smiling too hard.

[Lacey Mosley]

He got veneers for sure, but it's giving. I don't know. I'm swirling my hair. Maybe I am thirsty. I'm twirling my hair.

[Monet X Change]

Look at, look at how fake this smile. And every picture he is smiling like the fucking Grinch, okay? From ear to ear. This is not right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Carlos is giving. I have a white wife and all white friends. I feel like if you have all white friends and a white wife, then Carlos can really make it in the world. Like, I feel like he's scamming real good.

[Lady Bunny]

He looks handsome.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, Lady Bunny thinks he looks handsome.

[Monet X Change]

Of course you do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause she Lady Bunny a white niggas know. But this is the smile that can fool a couple Caucasian, okay? That's what it's giving. Additionally, many of their YouTube videos had over 1 million views. So there was a zoom meeting that was scheduled between Goldman Sachs Assets manager division and YouTube to discuss the merits of the investment. The scheduled participants included Alex Piper, the head of unscripted programming for YouTube Originals. Piper arrived late, said he was having trouble logging into the zoom and suggested switching to an old fashioned conference call. I love that cuz I be like, do zooms all the time and it's very embarrassing because I'm like, this is in my living room and how am I late? While on the call, Piper talked up Ozzy, saying that their videos had great success and their CEO Watson, with that Colgate smile, was a great leader. However, his voice sounded garbled as he spoke, as if he was digitally altered. After the meeting, someone from Goldman Sachs reached out to Piper through Piper's assistant at YouTube, which is when things got a little weird. Piper said he never spoke with anybody at Goldman Sachs and had no knowledge of the meeting taking place. Place. YouTube began an investigation, but within days, Mr. Watson was on the phone apologizing, saying that the voice on the call belonged to Samir Ryo, the co founder and chief operating officer at Ozzy. In the apology, Mr. Watson attributed the incident to a mental health crisis. Staying on the form of mental health. He was like, oh my friend Raul, he crazy. And that's why he impersonated somebody that y' all know. In the apology, Mr. Watson attributed the incident, you know, to a mental health crisis. The explanation satisfied the Aussie owned board, but did not explain the company's other discrepancies, such as dubious claims about its audience size. So they're inflating the numbers. Hello, Facebook. The FBI neither confirms or denies the investigation, though sources close say that they have contacted the executives of Ozzy. But a quick update in Carlos defense. Come on, Colgate. According to Variety, he said that Ozzy media will not be shut. Spoke to his investors, including Goldman Sachs, to salvage Aussie media. So honey, we will see. We will see. I don't know this man with the Colgate smile. I love him. I love a good scammer.

[Lady Bunny]

But wait, somebody. Somebody scammed Goldman Sachs. They're the ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

Golden sacks are scammers. That makes sense.

[Lady Bunny]

They're the ones that caused the financial crisis.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And they got bailed out. And we don't get bailed out, but they get bailed out with our money. It's very ghetto here.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay, Carlos, I'm g. Say, Carlos, go ahead and skim. Carlos.

[Lacey Mosley]

We stand beside you. We stand beside you. Okay, that's my man. And I'mma stand beside him.

[Monet X Change]

That's my man.

[Lady Bunny]

Oh wait, he's your man now. He's your man now. You were just wanting the trans man that had been dead is dead.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't be with him.

[Lady Bunny]

He want that big dead for 100 years from Australia. My God, I don't even know where.

[Lacey Mosley]

Percy dead at to be with him. I can't even visit his grave.

[Lady Bunny]

So what would you do with him if you did know?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, listen, we could have a nice little. I could be by the grave with flowers, taking Instagram photos. We could get married. Like, what he gonna say? No, you know?

[Lady Bunny]

Well, you know what? If you do go there and find his cross, I even put flowers on it for your Instagram. I'd be very curious to see how many likes it got.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like it would do well. I feel like people be like, oh, my God, Lacey, we're so happy for you. You finally found somebody. Like, wow, I will have a wedding too. I have a registry. Oh, my Lord. That would be my scam. I marry a dead person. Like, what they gonna do?

[Lady Bunny]

They're not gonna fuck you.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what? But that's fine, okay? I just want the documents. Get a little ring, get a little party going. Everybody be able to say nice things about me. We do it at the grave site. You know, walk me down the aisle of the cemetery. It could be cute.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Bunny walk you down the aisle.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bunny, I know you would walk me down the aisle of the cemetery. Don't play like you wouldn't.

[Monet X Change]

She's very masculine in that way.

[Lady Bunny]

I would lock you in the cemetery.

[Lacey Mosley]

But at the end of the show, we always ask, not lock me in. Oh, my God. Yeah. At the end of the show, we always ask, where would you you like to be found? So, any socials, anything you guys want to plug, go ahead.

[Monet X Change]

So you guys can check out our podcast, Ebony and Irony. You can get it anywhere. You listen to podcasts. Apple, Spotify, Google Play. I mean, who releases Google Play? If you are using Google Play, grow up. And you can find me on all social media. Monet, Xchange. M, O, N, E, T, the letter X, the word change. And on this new season of All Stars, seven, every Thursday, Friday, whatever day comes out on Paramount, I'll be there.

[Lady Bunny]

Okay? And I am Lady Bunny 77. No, I'm not. I am at Lady Bunny.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's going on?

[Lady Bunny]

Listen, you can't torment seniors with social media. I am on Instagram @officialladybunny. And please join me to talk shit about everyone. We. We have loved talking shit with you. Monet and I have a podcast. We just got chatting on the phone during COVID and said, let's turn this into a podcast. It's so much fun and getting to know you was a blast. You are outrageous.

[Lacey Mosley]

You guys are fantastic as always. Guys, snitch on your friends and [e-mail] if you want to follow me and my shenanigans. D I V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms except for TikTok where I'm Lacy Mosley and Paramount plus iCarly Season 2 streaming now. You can also get into RuPaul's Drag Race all Stars at the same damn time. Yes, Season two of a Black lady sketch show. You can find my black ass there. I'm not on season three. Stop asking. Congregation Stay Scheming Scam Goddess this has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz, and researched by K. Kalen Brandt. Stay Scheming.

[Lady Bunny]

This has been a Team Coco production.

[Lacey Mosley]

In association with Earwolf.

[Lady Bunny]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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