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Scams, robbery and frauds. Scams, robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess.
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B
Lacey, you from Dallas, right?
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A
Yeah, I'm from Frisco.
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B
Damn.
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A
Why you saying damn like. Okay, look, just. Cause Drake rapped about us.
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B
No, Houston, we don't fuck with Dallas.
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A
Yeah, we don't fuck with y' all niggas, either. It's ratchet out there, okay?
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B
We had a long stand. Ratchet out in Houston compared to Dallas.
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A
You crazy.
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B
Crazy.
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A
You know how y' all get down, okay?
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B
Dallas, the king of the ratchet shit, man.
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A
When Drake started rapping about your strip clubs, that's a sign that you're in a ratchet area. That's all I want to say. Okay?
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B
I mean, if only Dallas strip clubs were tight enough, he might talk about them, too.
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A
I might leave this shit in. Anyway, guys. Hello. Welcome, congregation, to another episode of Scam Goddess. My name is Lacey Moseley. I'm Scam Goddess. And you're here to learn about frauds, cons, and whatever other bullshit I see fit. Y' all know how this goes. Guys, I'm. What? I'm very. Say it now. Yes. Excited for today's guest. I really am. He's from Texas. He is from the Ratchet Park, Houston. But we will forgive him for that. He is a rapper.
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B
AK the best part. Let's get it right.
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A
Bye. See, that's my.
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B
I'm come out the gate interrupting your ass. I'm going to come out the gate.
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A
Well, well.
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B
We will have no Houston slander on this episode today.
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A
You see how disrespectful Houstonians are? Like, he ain't even let me get through the introduction. I ain't done nothing. See, that's what I'm talking about. That right there. So, guys, he is a rapper. He's super fucking talented. I met him on Thrift hall back in the super deluxe days he was hosting. But, guys, he has a new album out called Exotica and a single, Gambling man, which is popping, y'. All. And this is a mariachi remix. All since you already interrupted Gambit, man. Marriage remix. Throw that on after you're done listening to this on your power walk. Y' all know what y' all doing. Okay, guys, we have the Fat Tony.
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B
What's happening, Fat Tony? I'm in this bitch straight out of 3rd Ward, Houston, Texas. Lacey, it's a pleasure.
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A
Thank you. I'm so happy to have you here. I do love the Third Ward just because I love Beyonce, but she's the only redeeming thing y' all have going for Y' all in Houston, okay? And Megan.
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B
And Megan. Wow. You know what? Dallas and Houston, we've been beating and for many, many moons. I want to put it to rest here today. All the Dallas people, Houston people listening. Even if you're not from those cities but are curious, I'mma let it be known we ending the bullshit today. You know, Dallas and Houston is kind of like Israel and Palestine.
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A
Stop.
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B
And Dallas is kind of like the Israel in this situation. You feel me?
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A
Wow. Wow. Way to. Way to make us look bad. Way to make us look really bad. Okay, look, we just have something that we like to call class, okay? We can't have it.
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B
Never heard of it. Houston N. We don't deal with that. We just straight to the point. We straight fucking shooters, man.
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A
Listen, Houston is one of the few places in the world where you can go and get hookah breakfast, and somebody will shake their ass right next to your frittata. That's what I'm saying, yo.
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B
Soon as Houston N found out about brunch, it became a problem.
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A
A menace. A menace to society. They say, oh, we can also party on Sunday, too. From dusk till dawn, we'll be there.
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B
We go guzzling oj.
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A
Guys, if you haven't been to a black brunch, then you don't understand brunch. Because you know, brunch used to be like sex in the city. Like, oh, we've got our mimosas. Let's talk about dick. But Houston, brunch is the motherfucking club, okay? You're gonna get ass shaken right next to your pancakes for some reason. There will also be hookah and maybe a surprise appearance from Little Bow Wow. That's what Houston's on.
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B
Yeah. That's the funny thing about Houston. Random famous niggas, A list, B list, C list, D list, they just be all through Houston at odd hours.
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A
That's cause Drake rapped about it. When Drake rapped about in Dallas, 9am In Dallas, he was talking about productivity. He was talking about his mind. He was talking about elevating. Y' all feel me? Kings and queens. I got my UNC necklace on. When we talking about Houston, he talking about booty, he talking about the club, he's talking about bottle popping.
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B
I'm just saying that's where the heart is. That's where the heart is, man. What can I say, man? I'm thankful to be from there.
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A
I'm just saying. Did you buy your queen stock for Christmas or what?
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B
I did not buy my queen no motherfucking stock for Christmas. I am not Jay Z, ma'.
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A
Am, you playing elevate. Tony, Elevate both fingers on my temple right now, y'. All. Oh, gosh. Well, do you have any relationship with scams? I mean, you're from Houston, so you gotta have some relationships.
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B
Definitely. You know, my father is Nigerian, so I'm genetically predisposed to scamming.
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A
Yes, we love Nigeria.
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B
We have some scam in my blood, but, you know, I am familiar because I've been scammed. I've seen scams. You know what I mean? I done ran the full gamut.
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A
Do you remember a time where you were scammed?
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B
Hell yeah. You know, honestly, I feel like the biggest scam is roommates and landlords and property. Because all of my best scamming moments have been from a roommate or someone claiming to be the landlord. I've been scammed out of apartments in Los Angeles and in New York City.
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A
Damn, those are the peak roommate scam cities too. Like, Like, I had a situation where I landed in L. A and like, did all my due diligence, like, had this girl send me like a photo of her light bill and shit. Like, major corresponded with the address, did all that shit. Still landed. And then as soon as I landed and was like, hey, I'm coming to pick up the key, she was like, okay, so actually my friend is staying here in the living. And then I'mma be in the bedroom. And then you gonna be. And I was like, wait, wait, wait,
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B
you ain't signed up for all that. You ain't signed up for none of that, right?
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A
So I've had that happen. Was it kind of that same situation with you or was it like you showed up in. The place didn't exist.
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B
So to keep it clear, both of these scams happened on my first time living outside of my parents house. So I didn't really know shit about getting a place in the first place, Right? And they were both. The first one was in Brooklyn through some Craigslist shit. Me and my boy needed a spot to stay. He got kicked out of his spot cause him and his girl broke up. Me and my friend were beefing. I got kicked out of her spot.
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A
He was a hobosexual.
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B
Exactly.
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A
Y' all was homosexual.
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B
I was an artist.
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A
That's what we call.
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B
And me and my boy needed to get a spot, so he found a spot on Craigslist and it was in Brownsville. Now at the time, we mostly staying in like Williamsburg best style, you know what I mean?
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A
Do a dot.
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B
We ain't really going over to East New York or to Brownsville very often, but we found this spot. We paid a deposit, and we going to pick up the keys now. The chick, who was a landlord, told us to meet her at the subway. We get to the subway, oh, that's a red flag. We fucking waiting for hours. For like two, three hours. She don't show up. The next day, she hit us up and is like, yo, just come to the apartment, pick up the keys, and y' all can move in. And like, the weekend or something. We pull up there at the apartment. This older gentleman answers the door and is like, what the fuck y' all n want? And we're telling him, yo, we're like, renting this apartment. We trying to meet this girl. We haven't met her yet, blah, blah, blah. He's like, damn, she got y' all too. And we like, what? She's like, yeah, man, that's my stepdaughter. She has a history of scamming people on this apartment. Y' all should go to the police. We went to the police. The cop straight laughed at us and pulled up her fucking record and went like, yo, she didn't scam this person. Like, like, running down a whole list. Like, oh, we used to her. And we're some out of towners, so they didn't give a fuck about us. And we were just asked out of, like, $600. And this is back in, like, 2011, when $600 was like, life or death for a 22 year old, right?
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A
Yo, I'm starting to think that maybe this scammer, like, had a deal with the cops that you saw. Definitely stepdaddy was involved.
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B
All right?
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A
Everybody getting a cut. Everybody getting a cut.
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B
Stepdaddy talked to us for, like, an hour, and we was kicking it with him. He was like, consoling us. He was like, yo, it's gonna be all right. The cops gonna help you get your money back. In later years, as I reflect, I'm like, I think stepdaddy was in on this shit.
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A
Oh, hell yeah. Stepdaddy was in on it. And stepdaddy probably had a schedule. He was like, okay. I. You know, these disgruntled niggas in here. I give them the speech, I comfort them. That'll take they temperature down a little bit. So they gonna go online. They just gonna go to the police. The police gonna laugh at em, and then they go on their way. Stepdaddy, that was his whole employment. You was never gonna meet that girl. He was like. She was like, you know what y' all go over there, going on over there. And stepdaddy was like, come in here, babies. Let me give you some of this black wisdom.
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B
You fucking waiting for the next tenants to pull up, the next folks from, like, Idaho or some shit coming out to New York to make noise music, right?
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A
He probably flew in in, like, six different languages now. They come from France. He's like. He's like, oh, pon les vous. Sit, sit.
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B
Bonding. Oh, my God.
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A
Yo, I hate to see it. I hate to hear it. But, you know, we've all had that situation happen. I had to call the cops on my last roommate. We not gonna get into that.
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B
Why? No, no, get into it.
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A
Okay. Really quickly. Oh, this is messy.
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B
Yo, yo, yo. You know when you start off saying really quickly, it's gonna be long as fuck. It's gonna be long and convoluted as fuck.
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A
That's the black signifier for this. You're in for a very long story, like, real quick. Or like when black people say they gotta go, and then three hours later, they still out on the garage talking straight up. Where you get this lawnmower at? Oh, God, our people. But I am gonna try to make this quick. Cause I'm a professional now. Long story short, I live with somebody for three years. I met her because I was supposed to live with my old high school friend. But then when we had a conversation, I realized things was a little off because I stayed with her one night in Redondo beach. And they didn't have air, so they kept the windows open. And they had this door that led to the hallway where their bedrooms were. So I slept on the couch. This door kept opening and closing because of the air. So I told the girl I was supposed to live with, my high school friend. I was like, yo, last night I was so scared because, like, the door just kept moving when the breeze would come in. And she was like, oh, my gosh, girl, the last time that happened to me, I was so scared, too. I was fucking the sky on the couch, couch. And I thought it was my roommate coming in. Oh, I was like, what? With the tmi, you were somebody on the couch when you have a bedroom and your roommate was home. This ain't even no freaky deaky because the roommate is out of town type situation. I was like, oh, hell, no, I can't live with you.
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B
She just adventurous. She just a daredevil.
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A
Nah, you do that in your bedroom. I'm sex positive. But if I come home after a long day and I come in and People is boning on my couch. I'mma have issue. I'mma take issue.
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B
Yeah, how do you handle that? How do you. What is. What is your first move? When you walk in and she's fucking this guy on the couch?
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A
See, that's hard. It depends on what time of day or night it is if I'm gonna be a hater. If it's night and I just got off my restaurant job that I used to do. Oh, bitch. I'm gonna come in like, I'm about to be loud as shit. I'm like, such a long night. I'm so tired. I'm about to be the biggest hater. Okay. I'm about to put on my parking enforcement uniform and be a bitch.
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B
Oh, my. I have been that guy. I have been that fucking guy. I know the feeling.
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A
But this girl, I met with her, so we lived together for three years. I went away to shoot something for three months. She didn't pay rent the whole time. I came back and had a little change and was like, let's upgrade the apartment. Like, let's just stay here because it's such a big. It was such a big apartment, especially for la. And the landlord, I told him about it. He came up to me, he was like, oh, Lacey, these are eviction papers. I'm about to evict y'. All. I was like, what?
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B
But he was calm, too. He was like, she already know it's coming. She ain't been paying in so long. She know it's about time.
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A
I'm paying my rent. But we paid individually to the landlord. So I'm paying my mother fucking rent from out of town. And so I had to pay all the rent that was owed so that I couldn't have an eviction. Cause if you get evicted, it's everybody, gang, gang. It doesn't matter if you are one person on the lease.
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B
Only in your name.
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A
No, it was in all three of our names at the time. The other girl had just moved out, but it was two of us left. And I was just like, let's just keep it this way. I'll pay for the extra bedroom. We can use it as a self tape place. You know, I'm really trying to, like, not move. And so the landlord was like, yeah, girl, I was about to tell y' all to get y' all shit and go. But he fucked with me. So I paid all the rent, the back rent. She eventually paid me back. But I was like, bro, we've been talking this whole time I was out of town. Why didn't you tell me you wasn't paying rent? She told me she was late on one month and then she said she forgot about the other two. I said, I ain't never forgot about no rent in my entire life. I ain't never forgot about no rent.
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B
All right? Every time I've had a roommate who was suddenly mad late on the rent like that, there's some extra shit going on in their life. What was going on with her?
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A
So she didn't wanna work. Pretty much. She would always have a flat out. She would have a new random job, but would never keep it. Like, I'll put it this way, if she ever left something at home and needed me to bring it to her job, I would not know where to go.
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B
I'm a good hopper.
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A
God damn. I have no clue. And she was the cutest girl. She was really nice, but she just didn't want to work. It was clear to me, like, she always had a new, different little gig she was telling me about, or a new hustle, or some new man that told her about how he was about to make a rich and a start. I was like, girl, baby girl, baby girl. But she's still out here, so she hustling. But yeah, that's not even the whole story. Long story short, because I'm get to the end, because we do need to get to the show, right? Because that's what we're here to do. But this is a scam, y'. All. So whatever. Her mom came to visit and she was half black, half white. Her mom was white. I was really upset about the whole situation. I went to Vegas and then she moved her brother into the extra bedroom that I had been paying for. When I came back from Vegas, all his stuff was in the bedroom. And I was like, wait a minute. When he moving, I saw. I ain't want to live with nobody else.
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B
So what's the brother like?
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A
I can't get into that. But the mom was. The mom was visiting and so I could. I didn't want to get bugged. I was gonna get bugged, but I didn't want to have a serious conversation
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B
with the white mom. You gotta get buck with the white man, bro.
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A
The white mom got bug with me. I was trying to have this conversation with this girl because she was like. I was like, he can stay for a few weeks while I'm out of town shooting the movie. By the time I'm back, he got to be gone, though. Then the next day, they buying this furniture. They come through the living Room. They got the desk. They got drawers and shit. I was like, wait a minute. Drawers, pillows. I thought you were staying for three weeks. You don't need. You don't need no drawers for three weeks. You live out your suitcase.
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B
It ain't even your house no more. It's totally devoid of your own flavor. It's. Wow, that's a. That's a takeover, man.
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A
It's kind of like, yeah, they got.
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B
She was like, capital.
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A
You are.
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B
Niggas just stormed and just took over your whole shit.
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A
They took over my whole home. And so that's when I got mad. Cause I was like, wait a minute. Why you need drawers? You staying for three weeks. So then I talked to her. And, you know, I'm thinking we have a private conversation in the living room. I'm keeping my voice down. Why her mama gonna come down? Cause I was like, I don't know. I'm starting to feel like you use people. Cause this is just feeling like, you know, you just. I just paid this rent situation out. Now you got your brother in here. It just feels, like, predatory. And her mom comes out like, don't you call my daughter a user. Now I got a white lady yelling at me in my home where I pay rent.
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B
I pay rent in this motherfucker.
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A
I pay rent so that white people can't come in my home and yell at me. That's like the whole reason I pay rent. Exactly. This is my one safe space. Y' all can't come here and terrorize me unless I invite you. Nah, bruh. So long story short, I called my mama, and she was on the phone while I guess they heard me from my back room talking to my mom. I wasn't even being loud. Cause I was like, oh, my God, all these people in my house, they start banging on the door. Open this door, Lacey. We need to talk. Then the brother started banging on the door.
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B
Lacey, what happened?
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A
I don't know why you've changed. Then the girl, the roommate, started banging on the door. Bitch, you're such a bitch. I cashed your checks for you when you were out of town, bitch. You cashed my checks and I paid you for helping me out. What are you. What? And so I'm like, please get away from my door. My mom's like, call the police before they dig in a U sized hole in the backyard. And I was like, ma. Like, it ain't gonna get that deep.
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B
Yeah, I'm just gonna be me. Personally, I would just start packing. I would just start packing shit. Loading up the car and dip. You know what I mean? Charge it to the fucking game. Time to get a new home.
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A
Right? That's exactly what happened. We broke that lease and moved, and we both moved out. And I've never spoken to a roommate, but, bruh, roommates is a total scam. Total scam. Guys, let's get to our first segment. I scammed y' all out of 15 minutes. Y' all ain't. What y' all get out of that. Nothing. No. I know some of you are here for me. I know a lot of you aren't, but that's okay. So, guys, what's hot? And fraud? That's our first segment where we warn our listeners about a popping scam that's hot in the community. Or we get a letter from you guys. As always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family or yourself, just make sure your scam is retired. Scamgottispodmail.com your podcast must be a fucking snitch.
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B
Haven't you? You welcome snitching on literally every episode?
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A
I do. I want people to snitch. But listen, we do fake names. I delete the emails that don't survive the statute of limitations because y' all ain't having the feds come over here and look at my email. Okay, but you know, we do the right thing for the wrong thing. So, Toni, I need a name. A fake name for this person.
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B
Fake name. Latoya.
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A
Latoya. Love it. It is Black History Month. Okay, so Latoya says this was a time before smartphones when children usually played outside when the weather was nice. So my brother and I like to bike around a local park and sometimes go watch the skaters at the skate park. One day, we were there watching the skaters and noticed that one of the guys had his flip foam down on one of the benches, so if he fell while he was skating, his phone wouldn't break. Looking back, I'm not sure why this was a thing. Because those flip phones were indestructible. Yes, they were. And if you see anybody with a flip phone in the year of our Lord 2021, they selling drugs.
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B
Yo. I used to love having a flip phone, like maybe five, six years ago, because you could stay out all night and that bitch would not die on you. My fucking regular ass. Galaxy smartphone bullshit. Never tested. Never lasted a full night. Some bullshit.
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A
That's very true. A flip phone could last you a few days if you got stranded. Like, you would be good. And it was great for punctuation. It's so good to hang up on somebody with a flip phone. It feels like whack when you hang up.
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B
It's done. The conversation is done.
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A
Ah, slam it. Ah. Like, yeah, that's so there's something I miss about that. Cause now with the iPhone, even on the other end of the person receiving, getting hung up on, it's just like do.it's not as crisp.
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B
I have a really good case, so I just throw my phone when I'm done with the conversation. Now I literally just hang up and chunk that bitch right against the wall. It's like an otterbox case or something. So it's good, you know what I mean?
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A
Oh, okay. Yeah, you got you protected.
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B
That's my replacement.
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A
I love it. So they realized that the skater boys were saying see you later, boy to their phone while they were shredding. Are these terms correct? Skater community?
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B
Let me know. Those are very accurate terms. You know, as a former of the skate community, those are very, very accurate.
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A
Yeah, I know about. I rollerblade. I know about an ollie, you know, whatever that is.
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B
Very different. You know, skaters and rotor bladers, they don't fuck with each other. They kind of like Bloods and Crips.
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A
I actually have seen that when I go to the skate park, the little skateboard boys do not be fucking with us, and we don't be fucking with them. They all reckless and falling all over the damn place. We trying to skate.
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B
Little boys don't be fucking with you. Currently at the skateboard.
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A
Yes. Yeah, the children, they don't like us at the skate park, but we be there. We be there. So, guys, it's the pandemic. It's the. Okay, we in the. The panty. I go wherever I want. I'm like, move over, kid. I'm on the slides too, bitch. I've been. I've been inside all year. Okay, you've been on the swing set for 20 minutes. Get off, little bitch. So basically, they notice that the girls are leaving their phones. Right. Okay. So anyways, my brother and I were known to get into mischief semi often, and we saw an opportunity to have some fun. The way the scam worked was my brother would bike around the skate park going off ramps and whatnot. Most skaters did not like this. Creating a perfect distraction. While he was biking around, I could walk up to the bench where the skater had put their phone and sit directly on top of it. Then after a few minutes, I'd get up, grab the phone, and we both walk away with a new phone. We never Sold them or anything. It was more about the thrill of stealing someone else's property. Sometimes we kept the phones, but most of the time we would play with them for a day or two, then throw them in the woods.
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B
Wow. You can't even put the phone back in the park so they could maybe find that shit again. Wow.
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A
Y' all are fucking savages.
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B
They own some joker shit. They just want to see the world. Throw it in the fucking woods. Not even sell it. Not even flip it. All right, first of all, I think that this doesn't qualify as a scam.
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A
This is robbery.
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B
There ain't no real thought to it. It's just straight out robbery. Straight out. We are still. And then, you know, also, when. When you mentioned that she sat on the phone, I found that very curious. You know, back in my day, we didn't just sit on phones for funny games. You know what I mean? We were trying to get something out of it, right?
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A
Also, like, you sitting on the phone, like, if I see somebody, the last person I saw on that bench, best believe I'm about to pull up to the park with hands for you. The next time I see you, like, why don't you just walk by real quick and grab the phone? Like, why are you sitting on the bench?
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B
How many times can this quote unquote scam actually work before people catch on?
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A
I mean, obviously they stole quite a bit. It said that they had run this scam. I'm putting that in quotes. Cause this is robbery. A few times. Until one day, one of the skaters had chased after us, asking if we had seen his phone. We swiftly denied seeing his phone and went on with our day. I started to feel kind of bad after that, so I stopped. My brother did it a few more times. Love the show.
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B
So who did. Who was working with him the last few times? If she ain't pull up, who was sitting on the phones then? Was he sitting on the phones?
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A
He probably had to go and take on the role of penguin and sit on the phone himself. Which, like, honestly could have just been the whole scam in the first place. Like, you don't need the biker distraction. I think they just wanted to. They was just having fun, I guess. But you could bring the phones back. Why not just bring the phone back and sprinkle them around the park, you know? Like, why you gotta throw it in the woods? That ain't right.
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B
Honestly, a nigga sitting on my phone, he can keep that shit. He can have that.
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A
You don't want it back?
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B
Hell, no, I don't. Want that shit back. You know what I mean? Especially. Especially young, you know, skater. Their booty holes aren't built like the rest of ours. You know, there's a little extra layer of moist that's on their cracks from all the, you know, from all the athleticism of the kick flips and shit. I don't want that in my phone. It's gonna leak through. You can just. That, that alone. Like, if he just sat on the phone, picked it up, showed me that he sat on it. That's enough of the scam. I'm just gonna give it up. He ain't even gotta do the old BMXing around, trying to get me confused.
- [24:00]
A
Oh, my goodness. I don't know. I. I don't know how I feel about this. Because, y', all, it's just robbery. Like, this is just robbery. So I wanna say it was cute for y'.
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B
All.
- [24:09]
A
I'm glad you wrote in. Cause we do say scams, cons, robbery, and fraud, but call this what it is. You just stole from these other children while they were having a good time in the park. Which I'm gonna say is fine.
- [24:22]
B
Shame on her. Shame on whoever the fuck wrote in. This ain't a scam. You should stop listening to this show. You obviously ain't qualified.
- [24:31]
A
No, no, please keep listening. I love you. I love you. Don't. Don't scare me out of listeners. I love you. And on that note, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back after some non scam advertisements scams. All right. And we are back. I have to say, I'm already really enjoying this. Cause Tony has, like, the smoothest voice. Like, I just know you guys are gonna love this episode. Ooh, look at that.
- [24:58]
B
Ooh, that should have been my intro. Honestly, just that alone, it's so good.
- [25:04]
A
God. I get. You know, people hate women, so our voices are constantly under scrutiny.
- [25:12]
B
We don't.
- [25:12]
A
I'll say this on Twitter. I never hear people like that man's V. Like, people may be like, I don't like that guy. But women, the annoying voice thing in the podcast scene, like, they love to come for us. I'm like, so sorry.
- [25:23]
B
Most of the worst podcast voices are men. The fellas, you know, fake ass, hourglass sounding niggas. Like, it's a. It's a. It's a very whiny, dialed in podcast or voice that's prevalent. Let's attack that, please.
- [25:41]
A
Right? I. I learned too randomly that, like, when it comes to giving. So, like, in the train Station, there's a reason why the man's voice is where it is and the woman's voice is where it is. So, like, the woman's voice gives information and the man's voice gives commands. And that's because we are more conditioned to listen to a man telling us what to do. And we're more conditioned to listen to women having facts, but only in the trains. So that's why you'll hear and be like, please stand clear of the closing doors. And then it'll be like, next stop. Cause you're scustery.
- [26:17]
B
Every time that I use Waze or some of them, like, GPS things, I always said it to a woman's voice. Like, I don't like a nigga giving me commands. I mean, I. I have a big problem with authority, so same. Yeah, that don't really work for me.
- [26:32]
A
That's why I'm a scammer. And speaking of scams, guys, we've made it to historic hoodwink. So this is where I will regale Tony with a famous caper con or con artiste. And we'll get his opinions all throughout. Maybe they're good, maybe they're bad. Maybe we love them, maybe we stan them. We'll see. So today we're talking about Ma Barker, which the name alone, the flavor. Delicious. She was a matriarch of the Barker Karpis gang. She oversaw her sons commit a spree of robberies, kidnappings, and murders that terrorized the 1920s and 30s in America.
- [27:06]
B
Ooh.
- [27:07]
A
Okay, Ma. We don't do the murders over here. You can leave everybody alive. You can just take their things.
- [27:12]
B
So, yo, I love it when a lady is the head of the organization. And fucking. She's ruthless as shit. Honestly, it takes a special kind of mom to train your sons to murder, kidnap. Like, you already ran down a fucking laundry list of criminal activities, right?
- [27:32]
A
Literally, they did everything. What I will say is, like, this is a testimony shout out to all the moms out there who listen to this show. Especially if you listen with your kids, because some of y' all be listening with y' all kids. I love it. You know, you gotta see your children for who they really are. You know what I mean? You can want your kid to play basketball, but, baby, they're better at picking locks. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta see the potential in your child. You know what I'm saying?
- [27:55]
B
I love a scammer, mom. You know, back in middle school, we used to get our bootleg movies from my homeboy Redmond's mom, she had all them tapes. She even had the R. Kelly tape back in the day that I would circulate.
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A
You had a hard copy of the R. Kelly. I'm leaving.
- [28:12]
B
She had the VH ass back in the day.
- [28:15]
A
Hold on. There's a. There's a knock at my door. It's the feds, bro. You gonna get me sent to jail, bro. I'm making a disclaimer right now. We do not support R. Kelly on this show. I know Tony doesn't either, but I'm making that disclaimer right now. So y' all don't hop on Twitter, okay?
- [28:32]
B
Fuck that, man. We don't fuck with that nigga.
- [28:34]
A
Fuck that nigga, yo. And we're back. So Ma's beginning. So according to legend, as a young girl, Ma saw the outlaw Jesse James and his gang ride through her town. Jesse James was an American outlaw, bank and train robber and leader of the famous gang. And he's like, famous in, like, wild west culture and history, which I don't know about you in Texas, but I personally, my grandma loved her son Paladin and some good smoke. Okay? So you know, Paladin, I have a
- [29:09]
B
very redneck Texas family. Very like, like, growing up. I fucking grew up with my grandma. She watched country movies and TV shows all day every day. Same her, her fucking uncle slept with a gun to the day he died in his 90s. Like, they own all the country redneck shit that the rest of the country thinks is only the white folks in the South. Everybody doing that shit in the south, right?
- [29:36]
A
We would go to the gun store on Christmas, bruh. What is you saying? Like, I. My grandma, you know how everybody at that 10, that blue, that's supposed to have cookies in it, but it never does?
- [29:46]
B
Yes.
- [29:47]
A
I opened that bitch up and my granny gun was in there. I said, what's up?
- [29:49]
B
I swear to God, the same thing happened to me. We were cleaning out my grandma's room and she had a fucking little box in her walk in closet. And I grew up, my parents were like, yo, we ain't got no. No guns in the house. We don't. We don't fuck with none of that. I open the box, there's an old ass gun in there. Like a old. Like a Abe Lincoln got killed with this shit looking type gun.
- [30:14]
A
Like how you had to pump up before? Hold on, hold on. Give me 20 seconds. I got something for your ass.
- [30:20]
B
And my mom was like, give me that.
- [30:28]
A
Like, bro, your mom. Your mom is not old enough to have a gun. Like that. Oh, you said it was in your granny house. Okay, I was about to say your mom about to.
- [30:33]
B
Exactly. Exactly. And I. And I pulled the box out. Me and my mom cleaning out the room. I'm like, mom, what is this? She's like, nah, give me that. You don't. Don't even worry about that.
- [30:43]
A
That gun might have bodies on it. Your grandmama was out here robbing stagecoaches and shit. We love to see it. Yes.
- [30:53]
B
Grandy, pull up that DNA.
- [30:56]
A
That's our ancestry dot com. This is fun. I love it. So basically, she saw. The. Legend has it, she saw this famous criminal, and she was inspired. The event awakened her desire for adventure, for a life outside the law. Like I said, y', all, the laws are a scam. Look at what just happened to 45. He didn't get removed from office so that he could never run again. He broke all the laws. So laws merely a suggestion. I'm not saying go out and be a nasty man like him, but, you know, laws.
- [31:29]
B
I mean, this whole motherfucking country is built on breaking the law, making laws, breaking them again. I mean, that's why we fucking love the outlaw. Like the outlaw, the cowboy that's the ultimate American, the motherfucker that bends the rules. It's also really interesting that this lady is very attracted to the lone wolf, which has long been a icon in white history. And, you know, it's. It is not surprising at all.
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A
So in 1892, she married George E. Bach when she was just 19. Their early married life was spent in Aurora, Missouri, where their four sons, Herman, Lloyd, Arthur, and Fred, were born. Damn.
- [32:13]
B
She had classic old N names. Oh, my God.
- [32:17]
A
Herman, Lloyd, Arthur, and Fred. I love it. All we're missing is a Otis. And we would have really just been in the sweet spot of old man. Name a Heathcliff. Ooh, a Heathcliff.
- [32:32]
B
You gotta have one of those.
- [32:34]
A
An Earl.
- [32:35]
B
Mm, mm, mm.
- [32:37]
A
The flavor. Okay. You know he got a pepper in his heart. Earl, the flavor. You know, he do for me and for you. Okay. Earl is a deacon. Shout out to the Earls. So the FBI reports that the couple lived on this property in Missouri. As her sons grew older, they turned to a life of crime. A report by the FBI shows that George was an irresponsible father who never paid any attention to their son's education. Ma, however, defended her sons from anyone who was scolding and pointing fingers at them. In 1915, Herman was arrested in Joplin, Missouri, for a highway robbery. How do you do highway robbery? Like, you just get on the highway. And then you gotta be going fast.
- [33:21]
B
You gotta be going fast getting to the robbery and leaving the robbery for it to be highway.
- [33:28]
A
Right? And then if you do a highway robbery, do you take their car? Cause it feels like you can't rob somebody and then be like, well, be on your way now.
- [33:35]
B
And you know, back in those days, people couldn't travel that fast.
- [33:40]
A
That's true. The cars weren't going that fast, you
- [33:42]
B
know, so is anybody really doing a highway robbery in that era?
- [33:48]
A
Right. This feels more like golf cart robbery. Like, I see you at the 18th hole and I'm like, gimme all your shit. Like, I don't know how fast you can go. So over the next several years, Herman, along with his three brothers, began hanging out with other hoodlums, where they became members of the Central Park Gang Love, a gang with branding based in Tulsa, Oklahoma. In the 1920s, many future depression era outlaws came from this group.
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B
Mm.
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A
Can I get a picture of Ma Barker? Is she black?
- [34:17]
B
You know what? Good question. Cause this whole time I've just assumed that she was white. Right. With no context.
- [34:24]
A
Same. Okay, Chelsea, our super producer says that she is white. Okay. I thought she was white. It was feeling the way that her sons got out of jail. And this is the 20s. And you know, back then, jail was like the tree for niggas. Like, we didn't really get like, jail, jail. So, okay, yeah, this makes sense. Okay, okay. Mom was popping too. We getting this photo.
- [34:45]
B
Please Google her. She looked like she has never laughed. She has one lump in the side of her face that just seems to have never lifted up the smile. Yes.
- [34:56]
A
That's how you keep your skin looking fresh. You never laugh.
- [34:59]
B
Okay. Don't give these niggas no joy.
- [35:04]
A
Love you, Ma. So basically, they start hanging out with the gang. Gang. They get involved with the Central Park Gang, which they're in Tulsa, Oklahoma. So I guess the Central park is just like the most the park in the center. Cause it's not like.
- [35:17]
B
It's gotta be like just the one park in town, right?
- [35:20]
A
The main park, I guess. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. So Ma would often say, if the good people of this town don't like my boys, then the good people know what to do. What that mean?
- [35:32]
B
Yeah, what the fuck that mean?
- [35:34]
A
She said, pull up. We got the blicky. She said, y' all don't like us? Pull up.
- [35:41]
B
Dean the glizzy.
- [35:44]
A
Yes, Ma, we stan. So In August of 1927, the oldest son, Herman passed away in a shootout after committing a Robbery and shooting the popo.
- [35:55]
B
Classic way for a scammer to die, right?
- [35:57]
A
He went out like Queen Latifah and set it off. Just like, just. Yes.
- [36:01]
B
You know, I just rewatched. Set it off too. And I love the way that Queen Latifah dies at the end because she's really like. She's taking bullets and she's not going down. She's still busting to the last breath.
- [36:17]
A
That's some real G shit if you can bust to the last breath. I feel like I get shot once and be like, ow, ooh. Ow.
- [36:23]
B
Put that on my tombstone. He bust to the last breath.
- [36:27]
A
People could think a lot of things about that, Tony. Out of context.
- [36:30]
B
It's all true.
- [36:33]
A
I love it. So in 1928, all three remaining Barker brothers were incarcerated. Damn. All in the clink. Ma tossed out her husband around that same time and lived in the property during her son's incarceration. So she said, I'mma hold my sons down while they do the bid, but I am gonna kick my raggedy ass husband out.
- [36:51]
B
I'm doing it one deep.
- [36:53]
A
In 1928. How do you kick a man out? Wasn't these the days of why I oughta like, weren't they like, strong and violent?
- [37:00]
B
She clearly the boss of that household. She can do whatever the she want. She like that lady from Cocaine Cowboys too. Remember that dvd? She like that lady. She running the whole organization.
- [37:13]
A
We love to see it. So the gang things began looking up for Ma Barker in the spring of 1931, when Fred was unexpectedly released from prison on parole.
- [37:22]
B
Fred bought a few unexpectedly by who? Who was not expecting him to get out. The haters.
- [37:27]
A
The haters. I don't know the law. The judge maybe feels like. Feels like he got an early release. Fred brought fellow prison inmate Alvin Karpis, also known as Old Creepy. What kind of fucking nickname is that? Don't bring Old Creepy with you nowhere. I ain't bring Old Creepy nowhere.
- [37:51]
B
Wait, he brought him with him. Like he got him out of jail too.
- [37:55]
A
Or maybe they got out at the same time. He was like, hey, yo, Old Creepy, where you heading? Old Creepy was like, I ain't got nowhere to go. Shocker. Cause you're Old Creepy. So he brought Alvin Karpus, AKA Old Creepy, home with him. The two informed the Barker Karpis gang. So they formed the gang together, and they used Ma's shack as their hideout. Bet in December 1931, Fred and Alvin robbed a department store in Missouri. While fleeing the scene, they were accosted By a sheriff. Fred shot the sheriff. Ooh, but did he shoot the deputies? Fred shot the sheriff four times. That event kick, right? Damn.
- [38:38]
B
You know those old guns, they bust slow. So four, that's like. That's like hitting a nigga with like 20 something shots in modern times, right?
- [38:47]
A
And then they were exploding and they were all cheap bullets and fragmented. Also, sheriffs heavyweight and shit. You couldn't duck, you couldn't run. Like, the gun don't. It's not like it's busting back to back. Like, I feel like you should have tried to limp away, Mr. Sheriff. This feels wrong. He went out like Queen Latifah.
- [39:10]
B
So
- [39:12]
A
the event kicked off a series of crimes that would escalate in seriousness to include more robbery, kidnapping, and unfortunately, murder. It's been like a hundred years, so we can laugh at these murders a little bit. Yeah, these aren't fresh, but.
- [39:25]
B
So for damn goddess, we laugh at death.
- [39:28]
A
No, we actually sell ourselves as the Non Murder podcast. So I'm really scamming y'. All. That 38 minutes in, y' all gonna be like, what the fuck? But, you know, it's old timey, guys. It's old timey. So for the first time, Ma was officially recognized as accomplice to the gang. Okay? Wanted posters were posted everywhere offering a hundred dollar reward for a capture. Now, this is sexism. Y' all got Fred, who actually out here busting caps, but y' all gonna put Ma on the poster.
- [39:58]
B
Wow. Is that bullshit? No, we just need that straight up flagrant bullshit. You know, I kind of wonder, was the gang all intact at this point? Was. Were mom and the son still fucking with each other?
- [40:18]
A
I believe at this time they were. My question is, though, is how many people does it take to form a gang? You know, Jesus said three for a church. So is three also a gang?
- [40:28]
B
I think three can definitely be a gang if the activity is, you know, okay.
- [40:33]
A
Cause it feels more like a crew, you know, actually is a crew bigger than a gang now.
- [40:39]
B
You know, I've heard that.
- [40:40]
A
No crew smart.
- [40:41]
B
I've heard people say, you know, you ain't a gang. You just a glorified crew. So obviously, crew is under gang. Crew is like baby steps, you know what I mean?
- [40:51]
A
Okay, you're right.
- [40:53]
B
I think by this point, it's definitely a gang for these folks. Cause they done murdered, they done kidnapped, they done robbed, they didn't did time. They got bodies, you know, they have really done the work.
- [41:05]
A
That's true. We got nicknames like Old Creepy and they have an official gang name. So, okay. In 1932, Arthur and Lloyd, her other two sons, who were down, locked up, they would not let them out. They were released from prison and joined Fred and Alvin in the gang. I love that. They immediately left prison and were like, time for crime. We gotta make up for all the time we lost in jail by doing more crimes.
- [41:28]
B
That's what we do. That's what we do. We fucking ten toes down, we end this shit.
- [41:33]
A
Damn. Okay. First day out. We love to see it. So Arthur and Lori came out and they were like, them niggas prayed for my downfall. Yes. So the gang moved to Chicago. Oh, y' all bowed about it.
- [41:54]
B
Chicago is big, big gangster city. Especially back in those days, right?
- [41:58]
A
That was back when gangsters was wearing suits and killing you. That was different.
- [42:02]
B
Back when gangsters were calling bitches broad and shit, Right?
- [42:06]
A
Come here, broad. Also, like, I don't know. I feel like if someone shot me in a suit that's classier than these days, they just be in streetwear, you know, like, shoot me in a suit. Get dressed up. That's disrespectful. You better put on some pinstripes when you shoot me. Okay? Dress up.
- [42:25]
B
Zoot suit, right?
- [42:27]
A
That's how. Okay. With the wingtips, bruh. Like, do it right. So they moved to St. Paul, Minnesota, because of the city's reputation as a safe haven for wanted criminals. Okay, St. Paul.
- [42:36]
B
How does it get that reputation? How does that get. How does word get around that St. Paul, Minnesota, is a rest haven for all criminals?
- [42:45]
A
They sending out letters like, hey, man, St. Paul, we're living good. It was like, there's posters up of me everywhere, and so, like, I'm. No one cares. I love it. So Fred Barker hid Ma in a variety of hotels and hideouts during their stay there. The purpose was to keep her from learning too much about the gang's crimes, as well as to separate her from their girlfriends with whom she did not get along.
- [43:08]
B
Wow,
- [43:10]
A
Ma, you ain't like other women. Listen, she was like, y' all gonna let these women take y' all down? Focus on the robbery. Out here chasing skirts.
- [43:18]
B
Mom trying to help they ass mama. Oh, geez. She. Man, you saw, she kicked her husband out.
- [43:24]
A
She did. She was not about relationships.
- [43:26]
B
She know not to get tied down.
- [43:28]
A
Right. Ma would try to break up any relationships. Other women in the gang did their best to avoid her. So there were women in the gang at this point. Okay. We like diversity. Shatter those glass ceilings. We love to see it. It was. Were they Getting paid less. I hope not. I hope those robberies were, you know,
- [43:46]
B
they was doing some fuckery back. They probably ain't giving him shit.
- [43:50]
A
True, it was St. Paul, or in St. Paul, rather, that the Barker Carpets gang committed their more infamous crimes, eventually turning from bank robberies to kidnapping under the protection and guidance of Thomas Brown, the city's corrupt chief of police. There it is, yo.
- [44:04]
B
You would think that you would go to a city that's known for being a safe haven for criminals and just chill out. But these niggas went and then committed their biggest crimes yet, right?
- [44:15]
A
Like, this is an all criminal town. Take that shit out of here. You stealing from your own. Okay? We just know this.
- [44:21]
B
You ain't supposed to scam other scammers. Isn't there a code?
- [44:25]
A
Right? You're supposed to have ethics. Can you believe? Like, what if you had just stole something and then somebody come in your house and rob you? Like, what the hell? I just stole this? That ain't right. So Cold world in December, right? Cold world. In December 1932, the gang robbed the Third Northwestern National bank in Minneapolis. They got away with over a. A quarter million dollars. And in the 20s, like, that's coin. That's coincoin.
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B
That's at least a million dollars then, right?
- [44:51]
A
Yeah. So the heist ended in a violent shootout with police, killing two officers. The gang's reputation as a dangerous band of criminals grew. Next, the gang successfully kidnapped two local businessmen named William and Ham and Edward bremer. They netted $100,000 in ransom for the abduction of William Hamm and $200,000 for Edward. Edward Bremer. Man, if I was Edward, I would be stunned. On William, I was like, they only gave. They only had 100,000 for you. Damn, bro. Couldn't be me.
- [45:20]
B
Amen.
- [45:21]
A
They had to at least get 200,000 bones for me, you know?
- [45:24]
B
They had to keep the values real, man.
- [45:29]
A
Like, look, you just not worth as much my guy. So these men were not chosen simply because of their wealth, but also because of their personal vendettas, possibly linked to the end of the prohibition era. Okay, so that was drama.
- [45:41]
B
Oh, it's beef.
- [45:43]
A
It's beef. Yes. When the FBI investigated the kidnapping, they discovered that businessman Edward Bremer had many enemies. Duh. So it could have been anybody. Everybody hated him, okay?
- [45:53]
B
Bet everybody hated this nigga.
- [45:56]
A
They said he was very much disliked, not only by his family, but generally. He has an uncontrollable temper, very selfish, and has very few friends.
- [46:04]
B
Edward.
- [46:06]
A
So basically, how did they Even get money for Edward. Cause I feel like Edward probably got kidnapped. And everybody was like, good.
- [46:11]
B
Like, you know, I mean, obviously he's like a money machine. So if he's out the way, the money stops. So boys are focused on that. That's why they gotta get him back. That's why he's valuable in the first place. That's why they even kidnapped him in the first place. Cause if no one cared, they'd be like, fuck him, kill him.
- [46:29]
A
We don't like him, right? Can you imagine getting on the phone with kidnappers and they're like, we've got your mom. And you're just like, okay,
- [46:39]
B
cool.
- [46:40]
A
All right. Click right. Who is that? Oh, nobody.
- [46:44]
B
That's the flip phone again.
- [46:46]
A
Somebody doing us a favor. Like, that's wild. So this is how they got caught.
- [46:51]
B
There are a few people in my life that I'd love to see get kidnapped.
- [46:54]
A
Oh no. So this is how they got caught. The FBI connected the Barker Karpis gang to the kidnapping by pulling fingers, fingerprints, a new technology at the time. Oh, you could just raw dog crime back then. No gloves, just.
- [47:12]
B
Oh yeah, yeah, that's, man, that's why crime was hip back in the day, right?
- [47:16]
A
Crime used to be litty, bro. There's some crimes that we're gonna get to back in the day that I was just like, man, I would have been out here doing all of this. So feeling the pressure, the gang left St. Paul and returned to Chicago where they tried to launder the ransomite. January 8, 1935, Arthur was arrested by the FBI agents in Chicago. Authorities found a map belonging to Arthur and determined that the gang members were hiding out in Florida. Damn. You had to have a map.
- [47:43]
B
That's the fucked up part. You had to have a map. You had to write it down. You couldn't just put it in the cloud back in the day, right?
- [47:50]
A
Even though the FBI is definitely on the cloud, they listen to this shit right now. They like, you close, Lacey, you close. You right on that, we gonna come get you. So the FBI located the house and confirmed that Ma Barker and Fred were on the premises. Special agents surrounded the house at 5:30 in the morning, January 16, 1935, and demand that the occupants surrender. And I just wanna say that this is in 1935. And yes, I'm gonna talk about no knock warrants. Please Google and see if they're still happening in your state. Cuz in 1935 they knocked on the white people's doors and they brought them out. And in 2020 we just shooting through people's windows. And it's bullshit. Okay? Now my afraid done killed all types of police. The sheriff, the deputy, everybody. So I'm just saying, you know, if you want to pull over, if you consider yourself an activist, Google if there are no knock warrants in your state. And you know, think about that. Maybe vote against it. All right, guys.
- [48:47]
B
So, I mean, nah, I mean, shit is real. I mean, it's very as. Especially as you look through these historic cases, you can see that there's a huge disparity in how some are treated and how others are treated when it comes time to making that arrest.
- [49:03]
A
Right? And that's probably why these people got away for so long. When you get treated like white people is like barely like being treated like a criminal. You know what I mean? They begin the shooters Burger King as shit. So all I'm saying is, you know, listen, you know, I do propaganda on this show. That's my scape.
- [49:18]
B
Oh, we gotta have. That's the whole purpose for this shit anyway.
- [49:22]
A
Right? We just wanna be able to do crime like y' all do crime.
- [49:26]
B
Mm.
- [49:28]
A
Or maybe live like y' all live. That's actually really the purpose. I'm joking about the crime.
- [49:32]
B
Get away scot free. I'm not joking about the crime. I want to do them.
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A
Yes. So after about 15 minutes, the command to surrender was repeated. And a few minutes later, a voice from the house could be heard saying, all right, go ahead. Wow.
- [49:49]
B
You know, I was ready for the shootout. I was thinking, it's time to start busing, right?
- [49:55]
A
It's like, go out of there busing. Y' all might have nothing after all this, but listen, maybe they do. So the so, okay, so they said. They said, all right, go ahead. However, a few minutes later, machine gun fire erupted from the house.
- [50:14]
B
Now we talking.
- [50:17]
A
The agents returned fire using tear gas. Bombs, rifles, machine guns.
- [50:21]
B
They had tear gas back then?
- [50:23]
A
I guess so. I guess they was whipping it up, cooking it in the kitchen. So soon, cars full of high school students from olake, a town 20 miles north, were turning up to watch the gunfight. Wow. Not y' all showing up, pulling up, yo, it's a gunfight happening. Like y' all not afraid of strays. You know what? I can't even say shit. It was the 30s. Y' all were bored when I was in London and they had the riots. I'm putting that in quotes. Cause they didn't have guns. They just had bats and shit. But this was in 2010. They had these riots. And so we went out in the riots. And we were taking pictures by this trash can fire, and one of the police came up the Bobby's, and he was like, what?
- [51:02]
B
One of the Bobby's?
- [51:03]
A
Yup. He's like, what are you ladies doing out here? And we were like, oh, we was just getting some photos in. He was like, it's very dangerous out here. I was like, oh, we from America, you know, Y' all got bats. You gotta chase me with that.
- [51:14]
B
Okay, yeah, we ain't scared of no batsa. We done seen it. Bring an AR15. And I. And I might get scared.
- [51:22]
A
Right? But a bat child, you gotta catch it first. Nah, we good. So we continue taking our photos by the wreckage. Wow. So I understand these children. I get it. So about four. Oh, my God. It was a four hour gun battle.
- [51:40]
B
See them guns slow back then. You gotta tap on the gun to make sure that bitch work. You know, it can only take a couple bullets at a time.
- [51:51]
A
I thought this was like a fireworks show. Not like when you make fireworks yourself. And it's like you gotta light one at a time. Oh, this probably took forever.
- [51:59]
B
Do you think it would take breaks? Those kids stayed out there for the whole four hours and. And just watch the whole.
- [52:05]
A
Hell yeah. It's the 30s. What else they got to do? It's probably out there the whole time.
- [52:11]
B
The 30s. N. Probably broke. They probably broke as fuck. It's like, right? We ain't even got the radio.
- [52:18]
A
So after about the four hours, the gun stop. Stopped from the house. The FBI ordered Willie Woodbury, a local handyman, to enter the house while wearing a bulletproof vest. How y' all gonna pimp out Willie? Willie Woodbury? What? He ain't even a cop. He just a civilian.
- [52:36]
B
He don't.
- [52:37]
A
The FBI is some bitches, yo. They was like, hey, Willie, trying to get this, man. Willie, go.
- [52:43]
B
If you go in with old dumb ass Willie over there, he don't give a.
- [52:50]
A
Poor Willie, bro. They was like, willie, we'll give you $5 if you put on this vest and go in the house.
- [52:55]
B
Willie. All meek and shit. Okay, right.
- [52:59]
A
So agents entered the house after Woodbury announced that Ma and Fred were both dead. Fred's body was found riddled with bullets, but Ma appeared to have died from a single gunshot wound.
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B
Wow.
- [53:11]
A
According to the FBI, Ma was found with a Tommy machine gun in her hand. Ma and Fred Baker's bodies were first put on public display until relatives had them buried. Wow.
- [53:24]
B
Holy shit. Put on public display where? Probably Town Center.
- [53:29]
A
Yeah, I mean, I guess they could have Put it in the newspapers. But they were like, we want y' all to really know that we got them. This probably a real W for the FBI.
- [53:39]
B
God damn. A single bullet too. You know, Ma. Ma's a fucking soldier, man.
- [53:46]
A
Right? She was a G. I love that she dodged all these bullets. Also, like, Ma, you wasn't looking out for Fred. Cause it looks like Fred just got hit all the bullets. But where were you hiding?
- [53:56]
B
Point. By this point, my, like, you know, I. I've washed my hands to these kids. You know what I mean? I've. I've done the best I could.
- [54:06]
A
Truly. Also, I just love that, like, they could have walked out of this situation, surrendered, just did a bid, probably maybe gone down for life. But they were like, no, we will. We going take some of y' all with us. We will die for this.
- [54:20]
B
This. That's how you do it. Like a soldier. You. You really living a life like that. You gotta go out blazing. You gotta take some of them cops with you. You know, jail, the last place they trying to go. They done been through that shit. They done. This is it. It's now and never. We've. We've. We've been to the criminal safe haven towns. We done done some of the biggest robberies in nation's history. This the way to end the story.
- [54:46]
A
This is our legacy.
- [54:47]
B
Cause if they just, you know, turn themselves in, we wouldn't be talking about them right now.
- [54:51]
A
That's true. Ma. Ma has survived. I don't know if Ma has a movie made after her yet. Y' all let me play Ma. I know she was a white lady, but let us have that.
- [54:58]
B
No, no, no, no. We need all black people to play all historical white folks and all biopics from now on, starting with this. Ma movie starring Lacey Hamilton was just the beginning.
- [55:10]
A
Y' all thought we was gonna stop. Yo, I'm ready. I'm ready for Thomas Jefferson. Me as Thomas Jefferson. Me as Andrew Jackson.
- [55:22]
B
We need that. We need that. We need that.
- [55:25]
A
Amelia Earhart also me.
- [55:29]
B
Lacey, I'm fucking rooting for you. Fuck Hollywood. We need you to play this lady. I need petition.org, i need all the orgs, all the petitions to fucking chime in and make this happen. All the listeners go out there, educate people on who the fuck Ma was and get Lacey this role.
- [55:48]
A
Thank you. Also, let's do that for the Crown. I know eventually they'll have Meghan Markle, but I just want to be in the crown, speaking modern day English there for no apparent reason. I want people I'm like, mother, are you hippie? And she's like, are you hippie? And I'm like, yeah, I'm hippie as hell. And they're like, why is she here? What is the point? And that's what I want, okay? I just want to be there.
- [56:10]
B
I'mma need a whole episode of you with that accent. For real.
- [56:15]
A
I love that accent. I love it so much. I truly want to be involved and not do it. I want to just be there and then be like, what is this bitch? Why is she here? They having tea. I'm like, bitch, what crappies we got today? Scones. We had those last night.
- [56:31]
B
Bitch. Eating biscuits.
- [56:32]
A
Go tell William. Go tell William. I want some Popeyes. I've dreamt about this. Guys, on that note, we're gonna take another break for some non scam advertisements. We'll be back with the saddest part at the end of the show. Robbery and fraud. And we are back. Oh man, Tony, you've been amazing. I just love listening to your voice. And if you guys love listening to Tony's voice, come on. Exotica. You put it in your eardrums.
- [57:05]
B
I got a whole album full of my voice. Can you believe it?
- [57:09]
A
Full of my voice.
- [57:11]
B
Teenage of my voice.
- [57:13]
A
Yes. And guys, before we let Tony go, which is just so hard. Before I let go.
- [57:21]
B
That's my song.
- [57:22]
A
Oh, me too.
- [57:23]
B
Houston people love Maze. We love some Maze. We love Frankie Beverly and maids.
- [57:29]
A
Yes, we do too. Okay, that's a staple of every function. It has to play and we have to line dance. And that's just them's the rules. And if you really with it, you get some folks who can kang wang with it and who can do all the dances. My aunties taught me every line dance out.
- [57:44]
B
My godmother used to teach line dancing classes and cause I had a computer, I would make all the mixed CDs for her line dancing classes. That is how I first heard Brooks and Dunn, Neon Moon and. And all kind of classic shit. Zydeco, all that.
- [57:59]
A
Yes. Oh, come on. You really talking now. So guys, it's time for Scammer of the week. That's our last segment of the show where we highlight a charlatan that we deem is worthy of our praise. Or maybe they're not. I don't know yet. Let's see.
- [58:14]
B
We gonna see.
- [58:15]
A
Today we're talking about an armed man who demands food from Roscoe's after he was denied service for not wearing a mask. Roscoe's. If you don't know, I'm disappointed already because this is Black History Month and this feels like one of us. I'm sorry.
- [58:36]
B
Everyone else is actively trying to eat at Roscoe's.
- [58:40]
A
If you don't know what Roscoe's is, Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles is a black owned business. Shout out to them and they serve chicken and or waffles anytime of the day or of the nighttime. It is delicious. The chicken is excellent. Postmate. Em, sometimes the chicken stays good. I was shocked.
- [59:05]
B
No shit.
- [59:06]
A
Yeah, the chicken.
- [59:07]
B
I was scared to postmate some Roscoe.
- [59:10]
A
I don't postmate the waffle though. The waffle gets soggy. But if you postmate the chicken. Oh, slapping delish. So an unknown maskless man was denied service at Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles for not wearing his mask. So he returned with a gun.
- [59:27]
B
Oh, so he left. So it wasn't like he just pulled out the gun he had on him. He left and came back?
- [59:32]
A
Yes.
- [59:33]
B
Did he have a mask when he came back?
- [59:36]
A
That's my question. Did he at least wear a mask when he came back? The man showed up at the back of the Pasadena restaurant and demanded all the chicken and waffles they could give him and ran off.
- [59:50]
B
Now, see, first I just wanted a meal. Now I'm gonna need all the fucking chicken and waffles you got in the building.
- [59:58]
A
You sitting at your table with Pasadena waiting for your chicken and waffles. Like, man, what's the hold up? Like, okay, so we just got robbed. We just got robbed of all the chicken and waffles that we have.
- [60:14]
B
Oh, my God.
- [60:15]
A
I like this robbery because he just came for what he came for, you know? Listen, you should follow CDC guidelines, but if you can't, I guess go to the back where he wasn't exposing as many people and rob the police.
- [60:28]
B
I mean, clearly this man has a sense of humor. You know what I mean? This robbery is nothing but comical, right?
- [60:39]
A
I love everything about this robbery. So he ran off, right? At first, the restaurant staff was confused as to what he wanted because the cash registers were in front, which I love for a chicken and waffle staff. I love for niggas to be like, my God, you are fucking up this robbery. You know we don't keep the money back here, right? Like, baby, what is you doing? Hold the gun like that.
- [61:02]
B
Normally when we get robbed, they come around the front to where the cash is. Explain it to them.
- [61:09]
A
This ain't our first rodeo. Definitely ain't our first rivalry. Okay, but I'm just saying, my Guy like, you losing. Like, you taking the L. So their confusion. The cook, Robert Gonzalez, was in the kitchen when the suspect walked in. Robert said, he comes straight toward me with a gun, pointing it at me and saying, put all the chicken in the bag.
- [61:30]
B
Like, is he. Does he only want the cooked chicken, or does he want the uncooked supplies, too?
- [61:36]
A
Like, is he being petty? He's like, no, all the drumettes, bitch. The frozen ones, too. Ain't nobody having a chicken or a motherfucking waffle today, bitch. Okay.
- [61:46]
B
Cause I could have sworn Roscoe's was made to order.
- [61:52]
A
He had to wait.
- [61:54]
B
Straight up.
- [61:55]
A
They were like, we don't have nothing ready yet. Aight, we'll put it in the fryer, dude.
- [61:58]
B
Exactly.
- [62:00]
A
I'll be here with my gun, all right? And I like it extra crispy on the outside, or I'll kill you with this gun. All right, cool.
- [62:11]
B
Holy shit.
- [62:12]
A
So the suspect demanded that they turn over the chicken and the waffles to him. Right. No word on exactly what quantity of food he was able to grab, but the man read off. So a satisfactory amount, probably.
- [62:22]
B
Yeah, definitely.
- [62:23]
A
The manager, Angela Prieto, said he didn't take any cash. He actually took chicken. And before he walked out the door, he took syrup for his chicken.
- [62:35]
B
I'd be mad as fuck if I went through all that and forgot the syrup.
- [62:40]
A
See, I would, too. I would actually be really. Oh, we have a video. We have a video of the fried chicken heist. Okay, we are gonna watch this video, and for you guys, this is ABC7, if you want to Google this yourself. If you're watching, it's called fried chicken heist at gunpoint. Let's see. Surveillance video shows the tense moments. A maskless, angry customer robs this restaurant at gunpoint. Cook Robert Gonzalez was in the kitchen when the suspect walked in.
- [63:07]
B
Comes straight towards me with the gun pointing at me, and he ain't even got his mask all the way up. Damn shame.
- [63:14]
A
He didn't take any cash. He took actually chicken. And before. Before he ran out the. Before he walked out the door, he took syrup for his chicken. The story is hard to believe, but
- [63:25]
B
it was so, you know, he took hot sauce, too.
- [63:27]
A
Yeah, he had to take hot sauce. If he didn't take hot sauce, I'm gonna be bad. The cashier wouldn't serve him. Staff at the soul food restaurant say he went to his car and came back with a gun. They was feeling scared, especially my cashier scared. And I pray she. When I. When I first talked to her, she was basically Hysterical. So he popped the trunk on them.
- [63:46]
B
But after.
- [63:47]
A
I mean, after. I guess after a while, she calmed down. And look at how he's holding this gun up to him.
- [63:54]
B
He's holding the gun like a fucking hitman, y'.
- [63:56]
A
All.
- [63:56]
B
I swear to God.
- [63:58]
A
Because he wasn't wearing. He don't even have it turned to the side.
- [64:01]
B
He's holding it straight up.
- [64:03]
A
Pasadena police still looking for this man. You can stop. They still looking for him.
- [64:10]
B
Wow. He in there holding the gun like the fucking Terminator, yo. I love how he had the gun just chilling outside in the car. Like, soon as he. Soon as they didn't take his order, he's like, all right, time to get together.
- [64:23]
A
You know you've done this before, right? You forgot your mask, but you brought your gun. My guy, like, keep your gun next to your mask. Can't forget the blicky. Simple, right? Come on now. Also, I love that he likes. He definitely like cocked the gun before he turned it against him. Like, he wanted you to know there was ammo in there and he was
- [64:47]
B
ready to shoot you over this food. No money over the food.
- [64:53]
A
Only look, no one was injured and the police are. This man is still at large. But this is what I will say though, like, Roscoe's just like every other tragedy. Just like when the gorilla grew. Woman who gorilla glued her hair down. Tessica Brown. Just like when Tessica got an age. And you know she probably gonna get a book deal and all this, you guys. Roscoe, this is a commercial.
- [65:18]
B
Oh, yeah. So good.
- [65:21]
A
We'll get robbed for it.
- [65:23]
B
That's how good the fuck money. The food is better than money.
- [65:29]
A
The food is worth more than gold. Okay?
- [65:31]
B
I need him to get a book deal. I need him to. Come on, Scam goddess.
- [65:35]
A
Oh, my God, I would love that. I love this, man. I'll blur you out. It's the radio. Like, no one will ever know it's you if you're out there. Rosco man. Rosc. Costco robber. If you're out there, reach out to us. Cause we would love to talk to you. What a real highlight. Black man stealing chicken at gunpoint. Shit. Shit.
- [65:57]
B
Fucked up, son.
- [65:58]
A
Yo, you really did a disservice to our community, okay? We made so many strides. Martin Luther King didn't walk in a three piece suit in the Alabama sun for you to do this, okay? But it's okay.
- [66:10]
B
We didn't tear up America for this shit.
- [66:13]
A
This is your right, though. This is your freedom. Okay? So you go ahead. Guys, that brings us to the End of another episode. As always, snitch on your friends and family@scamgodispodmail.com. just make sure the scam is retired. We don't want to fuck up your bag. If you want to follow us. Scam Goddess pod on all platforms. If you want to follow me and my shenanigans. Lacey Mosley on TikTok because somebody stole my handle. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all other platforms, including Clubhouse, I swear I'm going to do a scam room.
- [66:43]
B
You on Clubhouse. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Yo N took over Clubhouse and went fucking crazy. Lost their goddamn mind a few months ago.
- [66:51]
A
They were like, let's be as problematic as possible. What are we gonna call this room? Black women and why they suck.
- [66:59]
B
Like, why not? Every single room is about dating and how niggas ain't shit and how women are fucked up.
- [67:07]
A
Yo, it's a mess on there. They were like, who? Who does it in the butt? A forum. Like, what's this? I thought y' all was pretty cool.
- [67:16]
B
How to creep
- [67:20]
A
stalking your EX 101. Literally. These are the titles of the rooms. I swear, bruh. But, guys, we always ask Tony, where do you want to be found if
- [67:31]
B
you want to find me? First of all, if you find me scamming, don't tell nobody. Second of all, if you want to find me. Otherwise, guys, it's Fat Tony. Rap on Instagram, Twitter, all that. Go jam my new album, exotica. Go jam the gambling man mariachi remix and live your life. Yes.
- [67:53]
A
Yes. Thank you so much for being here, Tony. You're amazing. Texas, Texas.
- [68:01]
B
Dallas. We have healed. Finally.
- [68:03]
A
Detail. Okay, Let me hit my. Let me hit my. Dougie. We can't, Tony. We can't heal unless you willing to get one of them booty haircuts. If you get a Dallas booty, dude, the little shag.
- [68:17]
B
Yeah, you know I'll fuck around and get it.
- [68:19]
A
If you get a Dallas booty, do we can heal?
- [68:21]
B
Okay, Ice cream paint job.
- [68:24]
A
Yes. All right, guys. All right, guys. That brings us to the end of the show. Congregation, stay scheming. Yeah, I've got it. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me. Duh. Scam Goddess, AKA Lazy Moseley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Baiz with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Stay.