No Good Hood Dentists w/ Shabana Azeez

Summary

Scam Goddess – No Good Hood Dentists w/ Shabana Aziz

Release Date: February 17, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Shabana Aziz (Australian actress, “The Pit”, “Bird Eater”, “Lesbian Space Princess”)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess is dedicated to scams in the world of dentistry, with a focus on unlicensed “veneer techs” operating in Atlanta and other US cities. Host Laci Mosley welcomes Australian actress and voice actor Shabana Aziz. They discuss Shabana’s scam experiences (or, as it turns out, lack thereof), swap hilarious coming-of-age stories, riff on the absurdity of “made up” jobs, and break down a wild recent case of dental fraud. The conversation is lively, irreverent, and packed with comedic tangents, but brings sharp attention to the dangers of seeking low-cost, unregulated dental work.

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Guest Introduction & Scam Confessions

[00:45–11:17]

• Laci celebrates Shabana’s career on “The Pit,” “Bird Eater,” and “Lesbian Space Princess.”
• Shabana admits she’s not an expert on scams and struggles to recall being scammed, saying,

  “I feel like I’ve genuinely never been scammed... I’m so boring.” (03:04, Shabana)

• She recounts a childhood memory: a friend stealing lip balm (a “rite of passage,” says Laci), and her own overcompensating guilt buying.
• They bond over stealing as young girls and experiences in white American and Australian education, especially awkward school trips to the woods.
• Laci shares a chaotic story about a school trip, disciplinary threats from her mom, and finding porn in her room (“Arsenio Balls”) as a child.

  “I thought it was In Living Color… then I put the tape in and it was like ‘Hi, it’s me, Arsenio Balls.’” (09:02, Laci)

• Both riff on being traumatized or “scammed” by large corporations, unfair pricing, and wild childhood misadventures.

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Childhood, Culture, and Australia is Full of Lies

[11:17–19:14]

• Shabana describes suburban Adelaide as “a city where nothing happens.”
• Wild stories of camping, surfing, and deadly Australian wildlife: spiders that eat birds, bug infestations, and misbehaving koalas (“They’re high off the eucalypt… and also, they all have chlamydia. Or we say they do.” ―13:34, Shabana).
• Laci and Shabana debate which men’s names are most likely to be “scam names.” (“Everybody knows every man named Matt—you are definitely a criminal.” ―14:00, Laci. In Australia, it’s “Josh.”)
• Shabana hints at national “Australian scams” they play on foreigners, refusing to divulge details,

  “We have a handful of lies that we tell people… fake animals, phrases we pretend we say.” (18:29, Shabana)

• Laci jokes: “Your whole country is based off criminals, right?”
• Discussion on “fun crimes” vs. “unfun crimes.”

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Small Scams & Coming of Age

[19:14–21:10]

• Laci confesses to petty theft at a camp store out of necessity and peer pressure, getting “instant karma” when a bird pooped on her glasses and they broke.
• Her mother then took all Laci’s stolen loot,

  “She stole from you! The apple and the tree.” (20:52, Shabana)

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THE HISTORIC HOODWINK: The Fake Veneer King of Atlanta

[21:10–62:27]

Introducing the Scam

[22:22–27:07]

• Laci introduces Brandon Dillard, Atlanta’s “hottest veneer technician,” arrested for practicing dentistry without a license and running a scam worth millions of dollars—a true “hood dentist.”
• Visual roast of Brandon’s mugshot (“His face looks so round… have you heard of a ‘choppleganger’? It’s like a doppelganger, but chopped. Isn’t that John Legend’s choppleganger?” ―23:39, Shabana)
• The charges: theft by deception, practicing medicine/dentistry without a license, battery, possession of dangerous drugs, insurance fraud, RICO violations.

How Did the Scam Work?

[27:07–41:04]

• Brandon, with help from Elias Moreno (licensed only in Colombia), ran “A List Smiles Atlanta,” doing illegal dental work and training others for thousands of dollars.
• Discussion of “certificates” and how bogus credentials are just fancy paper:

  “If we’re honest, a certificate is just a guy giving you a certificate at any point...what makes a piece of paper? Everything’s made up.” (31:17, Laci & Shabana)

• Reflection on how expensive—and necessary—real dental school is, and whether “Brandon” is a “class warrior” making dental careers accessible, or just a fraud.
• Laci says:

  “There’s certain things you can’t be like: I do this. You can’t be like: I do hearts. You can’t say you do that, you gotta go to school!” (29:13, Laci)

Dangers of Fake Dentists & Cultural Commentary

[41:04–62:27]

• Unlicensed work risks: unsafe removal of tooth enamel, nerve and heart complications, infection, “veneer breath,” and more.
• Price comparison: Licensed dentists charge $1–2K/tooth for veneers; Brandon was offering a full mouth for $5K, training others for $6K.
• Social media’s role: IG and TikTok are crowded with “veneer tech” ads, sometimes recruiting clients at salons, hotel rooms, even nationwide “teeth tours.”
• Another scammer, Emily Martinez in Tampa, used nail glue to attach false veneers (“Now my teeth can come off with acetone??” ―46:07, Laci)
• Shabana: “If you were asleep and your tooth came off and you choked on it and perhaps died? Death by tooth is crazy.” (46:47)
• They mock the absurdity of raffles for dental work (“Y’all ain’t raffling off a free surgery on The Pit!” ―52:01, Laci).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “You can buy scrubs anywhere—you telling me, I got the uniform, I got the outfit, and I took the $6,000 training class. I’m a dentist.” (58:32, Laci)
• “Everything is made up. We just decide to follow what rules we want to follow in society, but everything is made up.” (31:58, Laci)
• “MouthHealthy.org sounds like a scam.” (60:45, Shabana)
• On scamming as a career:

  “Honestly, being a fake dentist is hard to resist by many schemers…” (58:46, Laci)

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Advice & Takeaways

• Don’t trust quick, cheap “veneer techs”—you could severely damage your health and teeth, and correcting bad work is extremely costly.
• Verify credentials for any medical/dental provider using official tools (like mouthhealthy.org).
• Certifying yourself as a dentist with a fake “certificate” is not a viable career plan, no matter how thick the paper.
• There’s a reason licensing and regulation exists for medical professionals; shortcuts can be costly or dangerous.
• Social media followers and convincing branding do not make someone a qualified dentist—or anything else.

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Where to Find the Hosts and Guest

[63:29–64:01]

• Shabana Aziz: Watch “The Pit,” “Bird Eater,” “Lesbian Space Princess.” She urges, “Don’t find me anywhere on social. Leave me alone!” (63:49)
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms. Watch “Scam Goddess” (podcast + upcoming TV show), “Going Dutch” (Fox/Hulu), and grab her new book, “Scam Goddess.” Mini live tour spring 2026 (various cities).

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Notable Timestamps (Segment Guide)

• Guest intro and scam confession: 00:45–5:20
• Childhood camp stories & accidental theft: 6:40–13:00
• Australian animal pranks and “scam names”: 13:31–19:14
• Laci’s instant karma at camp: 19:39–21:10
• Historic Hoodwink: Fake veneer scams: 22:22–58:42
  • The case of Brandon Dillard: 22:47–44:40
  • Bad dental consequences & scam techs nationwide: 45:01–56:00
  • Veneers, Instagram, and beauty salon schemes: 47:23–50:22
• Key punchlines about fake certificates: 31:17, 31:54
• Advice for listeners / closing thoughts: 60:33–64:01

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Episode Tone & Closing

True to Scam Goddess style, the entire discussion is fast, funny, and packed with riffing. Laci and Shabana take irreverent, but earnest aim at how greed, desperation, and social media enable dangerous cons. The hosts close by poking fun at fake certificates and encouraging listeners to “certify” themselves (jokingly), while earnestly urging real caution in healthcare decisions.

Laci: “Stay certificating, make your own certificates. It just takes a printer and a border.” (65:31)
Shabana: “And a dream.” (65:32)

Final Note:
Don’t get scammed—keep your teeth (and your certificates) where they belong!
Stay schemin’!

Transcript

[Shabana Aziz]

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[Andy Richter]

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[Shabana Aziz]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Andy Richter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Shabana Aziz]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Andy Richter]

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[Shabana Aziz]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Scams, robbery and fraud. Scam. Car robbery and fraud. Scam. Got what's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the host of the comedy podcast All About Robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will see along the way. Y' all already know I'm very. What? Yes. Excited for our guest today. Today we have an Australian actress and voice actor on the show. You've seen her saving lives as Victoria Giovanni in the award winning series the Pit. Y' all know I love that show. We gonna get into that. She's also plays, like, the lead role as Irene in the feature film Bird Eater.

[Andy Richter]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

And she also voiced the lead character of Saira in the animated feature film Lesbian Space Princess. Ah, yes. Congregation, please welcome Shabonna Aziz to the show. Siobhanna. Hi. Hi.

[Shabana Aziz]

You have the most beautiful voice.

[Lacey Mosley]

You have the most beautiful voice. I've been struggling.

[Shabana Aziz]

You're just saying that now because I said it to you. Wow, you really turned on. When the microphone came on, I was.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, ooh, who she is, you know, we gotta get to our employments. We gotta get to our employments. No, I. Okay. So the Pit this season. So season two, the first season, Fucking phenomenal. And I don't watch medical procedurals like that because, I don't know, I feel like I don't want to cry all the time, but this, like, kind of hit me. It's like, I feel like y' all are targeting me a little bit. So I went to school in Pittsburgh.

[Shabana Aziz]

Shut up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I went to the University of Pittsburgh. Yeah. So I was, like, watching, like, I was like, you know, I'm. I'm a tune In. I'm a. I'm a lock in. Because this is my city. And then this season, the whole season is the fourth of July. That's my birthday.

[Shabana Aziz]

Shut up. The fourth of July is your birthday?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, the fourth of July. See?

[Shabana Aziz]

Wait, that's really fun. How much younger are you than America?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, good. How much younger than I am?

[Shabana Aziz]

Probably a bit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, A bit. A bit. You know, the slavery and everything. Yeah, I'm younger than that, but. Sorry.

[Shabana Aziz]

I snort. I. I didn't used to snort, and then I didn't even know how to snort, and then my friend taught me how to snort because I thought, wouldn't it be fun to be able to snort, laugh for a character one time? And now I snort when I laugh, and I can't stop it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that your friend taught you how to snort. Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. We were standing there on set one day like. Like, trying to figure it out.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's your relationship with scams? That's what I always ask people on this podcast. Like, have you been scammed? Has someone run a scam on you? I mean, if you're an Australian actor and now you're in America, I know you. You've seen some scams.

[Shabana Aziz]

You know what's so cr. Was, like, thinking about this. I was like. Because I was like, first of all, I'm sure I've been scammed. I'm sure I've scammed. And then I was thinking about it, and I could not think of a single thing. Like, I feel like I've genuinely never been scammed. And I suddenly I'm like, wait, do I have integrity? Because I haven't. I don't think I've ever tricked anybody about anything. I'm so boring. But I don't think you would think it, like, if you met me. I think you'd be like, that girl's a liability. She's definitely done some trickery on people. But I've never catfished anybody. I've never, like, done any. Yeah. I've never stolen money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. And one time, my friend, we were at a store and she stole a lip balm from the store.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a rite of passage. As a young girl, you steal a lip balm. Oh.

[Shabana Aziz]

So I had to buy stuff from the store to make myself feel better. Like, I'm. I'm one of those people who, like, if I leave a store without buying something, I feel like I've robbed themselves.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're trying to give Daddy Store money? Like, no, Daddy Store don't need our money. They underpaying their employees.

[Shabana Aziz]

So true.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let your friend steal her lip balm.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. So I guess I have been scammed in terms of, like. I mean, corporate lobbying and such and, like, you know, like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, we've all been scammed here. Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Like big corporations. Yeah. Overcharging me for things and then not paying taxes. I've been scammed. Yeah, you're right. I've been scammed. That counts as a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love you walking your way into convincing yourself that you have. And, like, Wait a minute. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

[Shabana Aziz]

Did not think I would start talking politics here.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, no.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, I think that's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, I love it for your friend, like, that lip balm theft is. It's a rite of pass.

[Shabana Aziz]

She's a lawyer now.

[Lacey Mosley]

As she should be. As she should be.

[Shabana Aziz]

The range. She knows the law. She. Yeah. And she. So she can break it. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly. Best career path. Honestly. Proud of your friend.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. She's really smart, but at what cost?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

I still think about her stealing that lip balm. The look on her face.

[Lacey Mosley]

You think about that?

[Shabana Aziz]

The high she got and the. The complete panic that she had a.

[Lacey Mosley]

Winona Rider High from me.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. She's gonna be the face of a lip balm in two.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, I've had it. I got in trouble. Oh, gosh. I used to get in trouble. Like, parents, especially black parents and POC parents in general. Y' all get your kid checked out. Like, if your kid is not cleaning their room or something like that. Like, maybe they have adhd. Maybe they're, like, neurodivergent. Maybe you should look into that instead of, like, punishing them for it. And my parents punished me for it. I remember there was this big school trip that my parents had already paid for, and we went out to the woods. I don't know where they took us. I don't know where they took us.

[Shabana Aziz]

But you went to a white school.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Because you went onto the woods. Got it. Continue. Me too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, so you went to a white school? Cause you said in the woods. Yeah. Yes, very much so.

[Shabana Aziz]

Our people aren't going out into the woods. We don't do that.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we don't do that. We don't. We don't.

[Shabana Aziz]

I went to the woods a lot at school.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Cause it was like, oh, this is what we do. And I was like, okay. They love it. Tap in. I'm in. And we went out to the woods, and my room wasn't clean before I went, and my mom was so mad about it. Like, your room's not clean. I'm not gonna give you any money for this woods thing.

[Shabana Aziz]

So famously, lots of economy happening in the woods. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, well, they had one general store.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And.

[Lacey Mosley]

And my mom was like, you're going to get a whooping when you get home. And I was like, okay, now I gotta wait for a whooping. This is kind of the worst part. The tension. Yeah, the tension. Why would you. Why are we doing this? So then I go to the woods and. Yeah, honestly, now that I'm an adult, Joanna, I realized that I think my teachers who were like, we were doing the scavenger hunt in the woods where everybody. You had to go to certain points and meet teachers. And I realize now, I think my teachers were drunk.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, c' est wa?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I think they were. I think they were drunk.

[Shabana Aziz]

And you know what? Good for them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good for them, Good for them.

[Shabana Aziz]

Imagine a bunch of fucking 12. Sorry, can I. Sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you can.

[Shabana Aziz]

A bunch of 12 year olds running around looking for you. You would have to get drunk to survive that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Teachers are victims of society.

[Lacey Mosley]

They are.

[Shabana Aziz]

They are heroes.

[Lacey Mosley]

We need to pay them more and.

[Shabana Aziz]

They pay them more and they have to deal with our kids. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Kids. Like, yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

How? Okay, I have questions.

[Lacey Mosley]

And these aren't even kids that they love. These are kids that somebody else loves.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. How. When you say my room was messy. How messy? Like dirty dishes in the room or just like untidy?

[Lacey Mosley]

Just untidy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Just clothes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everywh. Like, I think what really made her mad was there was a porn tape under my bed. But it was not my fault, okay, Because I just recently got a television in my room and this is gonna date me. But at the time, like, this wasn't the newest technology, but, like, I had found a VCR somewhere in my house. And so I had this tape and it was in loving color. And I thought it was in living color. I thought it was the comedy show. And then I put the tape in and it was like, hi, it's me, Arsenio Balls. And then a man, like, had his balls out. He had all his parts.

[Shabana Aziz]

How old were you? How old were you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Too young. And so then I was like, what the hell? And I took it out and I threw it under my bed. I was like, what is this? But she found that. She was like, your room is messy and you watch it.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wait, okay. Was that the first time? Was it your first experience?

[Lacey Mosley]

Wayward. Yeah, it was. She really thought that I was about to go down the wrong path of life. And I was like, ma', am, I'm just. This is the environment that I live in.

[Shabana Aziz]

And that is a scam, I guess, Selling in loving color instead of in living color.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Shabana Aziz]

Is that where this all started?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, that's what they used to do, I think, with the porns. They used to make them, like parodies of things. Mm.

[Shabana Aziz]

You just told an act. That's my nightmare. My nightmare suddenly is, like, people making. Oh, why would you say. Why would you tell me that?

[Lacey Mosley]

The Pit. Oh, that's gonna Keep Me up at Night parody.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, I hate that so much.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, I gotta go.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm sorry.

[Shabana Aziz]

I gotta make some calls.

[Lacey Mosley]

Gotta make some calls.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, that's crazy. Fucked up. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my goodness. I like your relationship with scams. You haven't been scamming. You haven't been scammed. That's wonderful.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Yeah. But I wish I knew. It's. Cause I grew up in the suburbs. I think I grew up in the suburbs of Adelaide, which is like a city where nothing happens in the suburbs of that city. So, you know, like, it was. I lived a very quiet childhood. Very so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's nice for you. You weren't traumatized. Look at you. Well, I.

[Shabana Aziz]

In other ways, surely. I still went to white school. I still went to the woods. Few months, white water rafted.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why do they want to go to the woods so much? White water rafting did that too.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hiking, the scavenger hunts, the like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, goodness.

[Shabana Aziz]

I remember they made us surf one time. And I hate surfing so much. I remember seeing this quote that was like, surfing's like walking on water. And even Jesus only did that once.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, I'm good.

[Andy Richter]

Surfing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Shabana Aziz]

It's so fucked up. I kept getting hit in the head with a board. I was so uncoordinated. And I was on the water. I just. The whole thing also, my. My thing is about people. I love having a mattress. I love a hot shower and a mattress. I don't think I'm being dramatic.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Shabana Aziz]

Like, I don't think you can call me a diva about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. To want to sleep somewhere comfortable without the bugs nipping at you.

[Shabana Aziz]

Literally. I remember being at camp one time and, like, a rat being in a girl's tent. Cause she left her candy open at night.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Shabana Aziz]

Also, I'm from Australia, so Think about the bugs. Think about the bugs in Australia.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, y'. All. Okay. But in Australia, y' all got different Type of bugs.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all got, like, apex predator bugs that we haven't every. I feel like it's every three months. I. And there's a new giant, scary bug from Australia that they're like, watch out for the creepy spider. Like, what? What is what?

[Shabana Aziz]

That's my people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yup.

[Shabana Aziz]

It's really horrible. It's disgusting. It's aggressive. The movie. The movie I did. Bird Eater. Bird Eater is a type of spider that eats small birds. So imagine what that thing looks like.

[Lacey Mosley]

A spider that eats birds.

[Shabana Aziz]

Think about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, that's why I can't come over there.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, it's gross.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's the places I'm like. I don't know. I feel like I'm gonna be attacked.

[Shabana Aziz]

I remember growing up, and I remember there being, like, blue tongue lizards and snakes in the backyard. And then I remember having koalas in the backyard one time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. I feel like I could fuck with a koala.

[Shabana Aziz]

No koalas. Well, first of all, they all have chlamydia. Oh, I don't know if that's true, actually, but I think it's like, what we say. And I remember finding the koala because there was just shit everywhere on the floor outside. And I was like, well, who's that? Who's doing that? And then I looked up and there was, like, two koalas, and they just, like. They just were just making a mess of the backyard.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they don't really do shit. They just be chilling because they're high.

[Shabana Aziz]

They're high off the eucalypt.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, right. They be getting high all the time.

[Shabana Aziz]

Actually, if I could be any animal, I'd probably be a koala.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, just looked it up. Koalas. Yeah, they got commit. They got chlamydia. And you know how that came to the human people?

[Shabana Aziz]

How?

[Lacey Mosley]

Men.

[Shabana Aziz]

But men are human also.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, they.

[Shabana Aziz]

Okay, that's a take. Do you want to expand on that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Men are a scam. Everybody knows that men are. Everybody knows every man named Matt. You are definitely a criminal. Like, we know.

[Shabana Aziz]

Is it Matt? It's Josh back home.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, it's Josh in Australia.

[Shabana Aziz]

Y. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, we got a new scam man. You don't want to meet a Josh scamman name. Okay. Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

I think, though. Yes. Because STIs were brought to humans by men. Fucking animals, right?

[Andy Richter]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's where it came from.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Men did that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So that's where the koalas got the chlamydias.

[Shabana Aziz]

There's one man in the room. Do you have anything to say for yourself and your people?

[Andy Richter]

I'm disgusted and curious.

[Shabana Aziz]

I just want to add that my.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fiance'S name is Josh.

[Shabana Aziz]

Am I about to ruin my life? Oh, I think you're in the right room.

[Lacey Mosley]

Congratulations on your engagement to.

[Shabana Aziz]

I can't wait for your episode.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we're gonna come back to you. It's gonna have to circle back. He's. He's a good Josh, I think.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I think his parents made a mistake when they named him that. That was the wrong name. It was the wrong choice.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. And he's not in Australia, so maybe it's different.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he's an American, Josh. Maybe that's okay. If he was a American, Matthew, we would have concerns.

[Shabana Aziz]

There you go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we would have concerns, Richard. We with you, Richard. You good scams.

[Andy Richter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Shabana Aziz]

Also, I will say suddenly that I've just realized that there are a bunch of Australian scams that all Australians do to foreigners that I will not be divulging. No, no, no, no, no. After you go to Australia, I'll tell you which things they told you that were lies.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God.

[Shabana Aziz]

But we have like, a handful of lies that we tell people.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you're not gonna tell me the lies?

[Shabana Aziz]

Absolutely not. We've got a bunch of fake animals. We've got a bunch of, like, phrases that we pretend we say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a whole heap of stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. Okay, you know what? You're not my only Australian friend. I'm gonna call out Thompson. I'm gonna call somebody. Somebody's gonna tell me these Australian secrets.

[Shabana Aziz]

He better not. Actually, genuinely, if he does, you can go online and blast him for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Keep. Y' all gotta gatekeep. Because he.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, that's un Australian to break the. These are sacred pranks, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I mean, you know your whole country is based off criminals, right? Right.

[Shabana Aziz]

Well, actually, not where I'm from. So I'm from Adelaide, which was the only freely settled part of Australia. Freely settled. I'm colonized.

[Lacey Mosley]

Freely settled is so cute. That's so much better than colon.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's the language they use.

[Lacey Mosley]

We were freely settled by the man.

[Shabana Aziz]

But also, like, what kind of person goes. There's a country where only criminals. They're sending all the criminals. I'll go there by my own volition.

[Lacey Mosley]

Criminals are fat. They're a good time.

[Shabana Aziz]

I think there's fun crimes and unfun crime. You know, like the lip balm drugs.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was a fun crime.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's fun. Yeah, sure. You know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh. The whole point of me telling you about the lip balm thing was that my mama didn't give me no money to go to the. To the woods. And I still wanted stuff. So there was, like, one general store, and I stole, like, a bunch of stuff.

[Shabana Aziz]

What did you steal?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. Definitely stole lip balm. Mom stole, like. Oh, God, I can't even remember how much stuff I stole. I was really, like, good at stealing. And then I was wearing glasses at the time. I wear contacts, but I was wearing glasses. And I remember, like, you know, when you're a kid, you're trying to be cool in front of your friends. So I was, like, trying to curse in front of my friends. Cause that was cool to me. And I was like, fuck you, birds. There were, like, a lot of birds. And then this one bird, like, pooped on my glasses, on my face, and then I washed them, and they broke. Wow.

[Shabana Aziz]

Instant karma. That's fucked up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Instant karma. Instant karma. And then when I got home, more instant karma. Because I got home and then. Remember that whooping I was waiting on? Oh, yeah, I got it. And I was. My mom, like, poured out, like, all the stuff that I had in my bag, and she took it. So everything that I stole, she took get through away. So I didn't even get to.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wait, she stole from you? The apple and the tree.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't even get to enjoy my thefts. Like, she took them all.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's crazy. Do you ever look at your mom and go, I see exactly how I turned out, the way I turned out.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, all the time.

[Shabana Aziz]

And it hurts.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a mirror. I'm like, yeah, this makes sense. Well, in honor of the pig, I wanted to bring you a historic hoodwink. This is my favorite part of the show, where I will regale Shabana with a famous concave where a group of criminals. We'll get our opinions all throughout. And I wanted to bring something that was a little medical because, I mean, I love the Pit. I really do. Like, it's such a phenomenal show. Truly.

[Shabana Aziz]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

And your relationship with your mom on that show, everything just makes me. I be crying all the time watching it, like, and I don't like to watch shows that make me cry. I'm a comedian, but I could not lock in. I was like, okay, we crying. And everything was set up so beautifully, especially the first season. I was like, okay, we are here.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. I feel like it really sets up the light in the dark of, like, you go from a trauma scene to a scene of me asking Mateo out to a scene of a child, your crush.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. You crushing on that man. Me.

[Shabana Aziz]

Okay, well. Goofy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. Rude. Sorry, sorry. I loved it. Wow. I loved it.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, if you haven't watched it, it's like, the first season is one day. Yeah. But it's every hour of the day, and you get to watch it and follow it like that. And there's so many Easter eggs that pay off, like, so much. It's. It's top, top, top. Like, love it. Top tier. So today we have a historic hoodwink that we're aligning with the Pit now. Look at this man.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Diabolical.

[Shabana Aziz]

Is that real?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, that's him.

[Shabana Aziz]

This is edit Ooze. This is him. This is the real guy?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. This is Atlanta's hottest veneer technician, and he's facing more than 100 charges after he allegedly practiced dentistry without a license. Because. Because veneer tech is not actually a job.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he don't even look like it's a job. He got them.

[Shabana Aziz]

No. I thought this was, like, an AI generated image.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, this looks.

[Shabana Aziz]

This is so edited. It looks AI generated.

[Lacey Mosley]

He got some baekjeans.

[Shabana Aziz]

Why is he holding those tools like that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause he's like, I'm a veneer tech. Ew. I'mma stab you in your teeth mouth. Ew.

[Shabana Aziz]

Like, his filler is incredible.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. His face looks so and round.

[Shabana Aziz]

Have you heard the term? Oh, and I don't want to be mean to this man ever, but maybe he does some bad things later. Have you heard the term choppleganger?

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm. Mm.

[Shabana Aziz]

Choppleganger's like a doppelganger, but chopped. Right? So like somebody who looks exactly like you but chopped. And isn't that John Legend's Chapel ganger?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. It is his choppelganger. I've never heard that before. And Now I'm like, give me the green light. Oh, my goodness.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I'm ready to go right now. Ma', am, Sir. So. So Brandon Dillard. That's who we're talking about. This is Brandon. And it's always a Brandon. Brandon's another scam name that I'm gonna add to the list.

[Shabana Aziz]

I know a Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

You do?

[Shabana Aziz]

On the Pit. He works on the Pit. He's Donny Donahue. His name is Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Really?

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. His real name is Brandon Donnie Donnyhue Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. They. They've stopped naming people Brandon these days after him. Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

He would like that joke, I promise.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Brandon Dillard has been arrested for illegally performing millions of dollars worth of cosmetic dental procedures in Georgia. Of course this is in Georgia. That's the scam capital. Atlanta is scam mecca. Like per capita. Like honestly, GDP in the world.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

The most scams happen in Atlanta. In Atlanta. I go to Atlanta.

[Shabana Aziz]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

To call them more often because they getting scammed out there. He's trying this now. This is him with the mug shot. He don't look like he did with the needles again. No, he's still giving face, though. Like, he's still kind of giving face.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, he's glowing. He's glowing.

[Lacey Mosley]

He looking directly into the camera like you see me.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know.

[Shabana Aziz]

Not a single blackhead on that nose.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Shabana Aziz]

No sebaceous filaments. Skin.

[Lacey Mosley]

He looked like he just moisturized. Like, did they arrest him at a facial?

[Shabana Aziz]

And it feels like he's gotten somebody inside who's agreed to do Photoshop for him.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Cause there's no way his skin.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's incredible skin.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's incredible skin for this low grade quality photo. He's still giving.

[Shabana Aziz]

Not giving him credit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Proud of him.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

For that, though. Well, he's charged with theft by deception. Theft by deception is. That's my kind of theft.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's the other kind of theft? It's gotta be deception.

[Shabana Aziz]

Actual theft. But I like deception too. It's better.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Richter]

You're right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Actual.

[Shabana Aziz]

Because your mom can't take it. Your mom can't take it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Put your hands in the air and give me your money.

[Shabana Aziz]

Or it's like going to the woods and not having money.

[Andy Richter]

Stealing.

[Shabana Aziz]

None of it. But if you. Theft by deception, who can you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that wasn't theft by deception. That was just theft, huh?

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, you right. You right. But yeah. So he's charged with theft by deception. Practice of dentistry without a license. Practice of Medicine without a license. Battery. Who did he beat on? Battery. Who did he beat on? Wait a minute.

[Shabana Aziz]

They buried the lead with that.

[Lacey Mosley]

They did. Possession of dangerous drugs, which I'm assuming he was using for the teeth. Conspiracy to commit insurance fraud. I think that's Brandon. How many crimes you want to do today? I'm not even done. And violating the RICO act, which is usually associated with organized crime. Wait, Brandon was busy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Organized crime? I guess he has to organize those teeth. What is organized crime compared to disorganized crime?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, it's like, when you have other factions involved and, like, everybody's working together and, like, that's kind of the only way to get, like, mob bosses and things like that is a rico. Cause, like, the mob bosses don't, like, they keep their hands clean. They don't ever touch dope.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

So how you gonna catch. Right? You gotta catch them influentially. Like, oh, you told all these people to do this crime, and now we gonna take you down because you told everybody to do the crimes.

[Shabana Aziz]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm. So.

[Shabana Aziz]

So do you think this guy had, like, dental hygienists and stuff working with him?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, definitely. He has some other people with scrubs, and he definitely had a practice.

[Shabana Aziz]

You know, I wonder what scrubs he was wearing. What brand?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, we saw the blue. Oh, the brand. Oh, yeah, his scrubs were cool, too.

[Shabana Aziz]

They had the. They had a pocket on the sleeve.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. And we've both worked in sc. I've worked. Yeah. On Lopez. I was a nurse. I worked in scrubs. And honestly, best uniform ever.

[Shabana Aziz]

So good sneakers.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love just wearing one thing every day.

[Shabana Aziz]

The pants have elastic in them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Less fittings. Just one thing.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Yeah. So good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love it. So Elias Moreno, who is licensed to practice dentistry in Columbia but not in the US Is also charged with violating Georgia's RICO law for helping Brandon run training courses. So Brandon took it. Yeah. He took it a step beyond not only was he doing the fake teeth for people, he was training people on how to do it. And I always say this. Like, there's certain things that you can't be like. I do this. Like, you can be like, oh, I do crafts, I do arts. I do flower arrangements. I do those things. You can't be like, I do braces, I do teeth. I do veneers, I do hearts. You can't say you do that. You gotta go to school. Yeah. You can't be like, I do that. Like, that's not. It's not a side hustle. Like, you have to go get A degree.

[Shabana Aziz]

It does make me curious about the types of people who would do that training, I mean.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause they wanna do the teeth and they thought teeth are outside bones. There are outside bones in our mouths.

[Shabana Aziz]

But then if we're going, you can't just say, I do teeth. You have to train first. But these people were training. They were just training with Brandon. You know what I mean? Like, are they also victims, perhaps?

[Lacey Mosley]

That is such a great perspective, because they were like, I want to do teeth. And he's making it look like it's an easy way to do teeth. So let's sign up with him and then do teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

How easy would it be to fall into a cult? You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. Honestly, Culture for highly intelligent people. It's actually like, kind of scored that, like, the smarter you are, the more likely you are to join a culture cult. Because if you're smart, your brain's thinking all the time, all the possibilities, all the horrible scenarios of the world, just constantly overwhelmed, and then you join a cult because it's like, oh, I have a reason. This problem is solved now. Like, I don't have to worry about death anymore because I joined this cult. And now we know we're going to Zenom after. And I'm good. Like, yeah, yeah. It's. It's so at his business. This is Brandon's business. A list. Smiles. Atlanta. A list.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God. Oh, those teeth are white.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yup. And he got a good brand set up. He got everything set up. Real cute. A list.

[Shabana Aziz]

165,000 followers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm.

[Shabana Aziz]

Did he buy those? Do you have information about if he bought those?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, and at the time, he had promoted himself to 158,000 followers, so he's got more now. But he was Atlanta's top veneer specialist and trainer. He did tooth work and also sold training and certificates, which. How you giving the certificate. But then think about certificates. If we really honest about it, it is just a guy giving you a certificate at any point, it's anybody.

[Shabana Aziz]

And what makes a piece of paper. Everything's made up a certificate. Certificate. What, like, where's that line?

[Lacey Mosley]

That framing? You gotta have some.

[Shabana Aziz]

The watermark?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you gotta have some nice, like, little, like, drawing around it. That's. That makes sense.

[Shabana Aziz]

That makes it a certificate. Text with a border. That's for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, a border makes it a certificate. And also if it's printed on thick paper and if the paper has a texture to it. Yeah, that's legit.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's a certificate.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the certificate.

[Shabana Aziz]

I would love to know actually the proper definition for certificate. And if there is some meaningful thing or if it's just like the paper and being bought up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everything's made up.

[Shabana Aziz]

The font they use.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's why I love doing this show is everything is made up.

[Shabana Aziz]

Everything is made up.

[Lacey Mosley]

We just decide to follow what rules we want to follow in society, but everything is made up.

[Shabana Aziz]

I feel that way about time zones. What are we doing?

[Lacey Mosley]

What are we doing?

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God. Anyway.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, just pulled up. A certificate is an official document verifying a fact such as completing a specific educational program or skill training, proving specialized knowledge and enhancing resumes and career advancements. Advancement. So. But look, you got a border. The example got a border.

[Shabana Aziz]

It's got a border. It's got Sarah font. And that would be printed on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nice looking very certificate.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, yeah. That certificate is less white than Brandon's teeth. And I think that is something like certificates can't be on white paper.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. They have to be on like a little, like light tan with some texture. Like you said, it's got to be thick and it's got to have a border. And then we know it's for real. So. So like he was doing these. He was giving out certificates which were worthless, obviously. And he provided no legitimate legal credentials. Obviously. When he was arrested in 2024, the judge did not want to let him out on bail because there was a danger that he would continue to perform veneer procedures if he was let go. They like, we can't let you outside. Cause you gonna be in people's mouths again. You gonna be right up in their mouths again.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like a judge saying that you're a danger to society because you're going to be in people's mouths doing veneers is crazy. Right.

[Shabana Aziz]

Also, like. Like that makes it sound like it was a compulsion for him. Like he couldn't just stop. Like he wasn't doing it for the money. He was in it for their teeth, which is wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

For the love of the game. Give me that mouth. Give me that mouth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I got things I need to do. With your mouth? Yeah, that's crazy. To protect you from society. From their mouths.

[Shabana Aziz]

Crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Brandon had gotten a cease and desist letter from the state Dental Board of Georgia earlier that year, but he just couldn't stay out of people's mouths.

[Shabana Aziz]

He loves it.

[Lacey Mosley]

He couldn't stop.

[Shabana Aziz]

I admire the passion. You gotta do something that makes your heart sing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. He has fevor.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. He's following his dreams. His dreams are crazy. Same, same. Get in line with same. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And with the pit, everybody is in there all passionate like, about caring for people and saving their lives.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Shout out to you, Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Fulton County Deputy District attorney said Brandon Dillard is not a dentist. Well, yeah, we know that he's never been a dentist. And as much as he may want to play one on Instagram, he is not one.

[Shabana Aziz]

Whoa, that's kind of. That's hard. That would have been hard to hear for Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Because Brandon is a dentist in his head.

[Shabana Aziz]

And also as an actor, right. Like, everybody goes like this whole thing when you're like, I don't know if you started in LA or I started in a city where like all the actors I know don't really act because there's no work.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

But this and this whole thing where it's like, I'm still an actor. I'm still an actor even if I don't act.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

And so is Brandon so still a. Like he is. If he wants to be a dentist, even if he's not being doing dentistry, is he still a dentist in his heart? Or is that the kind of bullshit rhetoric we use for artists to make ourselves feel better when we're unemployed?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I stopped telling people what I do for a living a long time ago. Like, I would go on dates and be like, they'd be like, oh, what do you do? And I'm like, I work in insurance. Because then people won't ask more questions. Like, if, if you don't know what I do for a living, I'm not going to explain it to you. If people are like, what have you been in? I'm like, do you run down your resume for people? You get on Indeed. And show everybody what you worked on? No. Like, I work in insurance. The most boring thing you can say, Nobody has follow up questions. Nobody cares. Oh, it's great.

[Shabana Aziz]

I, I say acting but with such an air of humiliation that then people like, it's like, then people go, no, it's cool that you're an actor. It's great. That's a real job, buddy. And then it's so worse. Like, it's so humiliating.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a real job, buddy. Yeah, Robbery.

[Andy Richter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Do it how?

[Andy Richter]

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[Shabana Aziz]

Based on a New York Times best thriller comes 56 Days starring Dove Cameron. A story of love.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, sorry. I'm Oliver.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm Ciara.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lies. So do you like secrets? No, I like review.

[Shabana Aziz]

Feels seduction.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like they were obsessed with each other.

[Shabana Aziz]

And murder. What do you got here? Body in a bathtub. 56 days. Premieres February 18th on Prime Video.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna get you. Not if I get you first.

[Shabana Aziz]

Hi, I'm Kaitlin Coleman, winner of Target's HBCU design challenge. This challenge moved me closer to my dream of becoming a fashion designer through mentorship and support. You can find my design along with creations from other black founders in Target's Black History Month collection.

[Lacey Mosley]

And fraud. So a made up job.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

What. What a beautiful segue here. The American Dental association would like to remind you that dentistry is a regulated profession and it requires formal education and a license. Dentists and dental hygienists must be licensed in a state to provide care within that state. All states require dental work, including veneers, to be performed under the supervision of a licensed dentist. Now, Brandon, he was kind of ignoring that. He gave himself a license. He gave himself a certificate and said, I did it.

[Shabana Aziz]

I actually kind of really respect that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I honestly do too, now that I've.

[Shabana Aziz]

Just decided certificates, like why did I go to college?

[Lacey Mosley]

I could have just gave myself a college degree. What do you mean?

[Shabana Aziz]

What did you go to college for? Like Pittsburgh. But where did you go for?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I went for. I have a business degree and I have a. A performance degree.

[Shabana Aziz]

A performance degree?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. That's goofy. The business degree was. My parents were like, you can't just go get a performance degree.

[Shabana Aziz]

You have to do business.

[Lacey Mosley]

Go get a real degree.

[Shabana Aziz]

Well, that's so fun. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I have a business degree and it's. It's actually worked out really great. I Needed the business degree. Didn't know I needed it. But yeah, all artists. It's been working out.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. You're a small business like Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

Okay, continue. Sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I am a small business, like Brandon.

[Shabana Aziz]

Just like Brandon.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm giving myself. I'm gonna print out some certificates right after this. I'm getting more certificates for myself.

[Shabana Aziz]

I was thinking that I'm gonna certificates for my friends.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I'm like Shivana. I had her on an episode, print my certificate for the pit I was on there.

[Shabana Aziz]

So fun. Oh, delightful.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it takes four years after undergrad to complete a doctor of dental surgery, which is a DDS or a doctor of dental medicine, which is a dmd like degree. And for in state resident at a public school, that's gonna cost around like $227,000.

[Shabana Aziz]

Holy shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Licensing fees, which makes it makes sense why the dentist is so expensive. So he. So Brandon is saying you could do this for 6,000. He's like, you wanna pay $227,000 or you wanna pay six grand to get your dental degree?

[Shabana Aziz]

I have a question.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

Before I decide how I feel about this. Because that is daylight robbery. From the universities.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

6,000. He's like, maybe he's like a class warrior. Maybe he's actually doing this for the people. And I just wanted a whole new lane for to know was his veneer work good or was it bad?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, he's like, do you want to spend a quarter million dollars and four years to get in that mouth? Or six years, like. Or $6,000 and you can get in.

[Shabana Aziz]

That mouth tomorrow if the outcome is the same. Like, how bad were the teeth he was doing? Do you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, teeth are outside bones. They are our bones. Like, it's kind of serious to not.

[Shabana Aziz]

This is true.

[Lacey Mosley]

Be good at teeth. This is true.

[Shabana Aziz]

Teeth can kill you and you can't gray them back.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you have like a. No, you can't grow them back after your second if you have like a rotten tooth. That rotten tooth can go up into your bloodstream and to your heart and kill you.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yes. Your heart health and your dental health are so closely entwined right in your.

[Lacey Mosley]

Heart plait from your teeth plaque. It's serious. Like, we should give dentists more respect. But I honestly think they be passing too many of y' all through school because I've had too many bad dentists.

[Shabana Aziz]

Like, have you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yes. I have one good dentist now, but I've had a lot of bad ones.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like where hit a Nerve. And I was convulsing on the table. And also they want to take your teeth out so much because they want the money. What? Like wisdom teeth? Not everybody has to have them removed.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, I haven't had mine removed yet.

[Lacey Mosley]

I haven't had mine either, but that's.

[Shabana Aziz]

Where the wisdom was short. We can't get rid of them too soon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, actually, I have had. You have four. I. I think I've had two removed now because they were like, oh, we gotta yank these. But they were trying to do it when I was like 12. They were like, oh, you're gonna have em removed anyway at some point in life. Let's just do em now.

[Shabana Aziz]

And I'm like, y.

[Lacey Mosley]

You just want free, like, billing. You just want to rip everybody teeth out for money.

[Shabana Aziz]

I've never heard of crazy people. And then I go, maybe it's just Australians. Like, ah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. No, in America, they gonna get you for everything you got. You got good health insurance. Ooh, they gonna run it up. Okay. Everything.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm shocked. That's not. But medicine should have so much integrity as a profession.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, that's why you gotta get a second opinion. Cause, yeah, maybe I need to do.

[Shabana Aziz]

Some American specific research for the Pit. I feel suddenly deeply unprepared for season three.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Season three.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wow. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, I like where you're coming from. Stay there. It gives me hope. It's Hope Core.

[Shabana Aziz]

Hope Core.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's me. I don't need you to be on the American wave where you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's cut her. Let's cut her open for money. Hello.

[Shabana Aziz]

For money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we need the money. Cut her. Cause she needs it. And we need it. Everybody needs it. Everybody on the same plate.

[Shabana Aziz]

Sophia's for wisdom teeth is kind of crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they. They wanted them. They wanted a coin. So obviously, like, you need these degrees, right? He. And you might. You might be right, Shabonda. Like, maybe he was a class warrior for the people. But you can't just sign up and say, you know how to fix teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

No, you can't.

[Lacey Mosley]

But BRANDON Dillard made $4 million doing that exact thing. Wait. And training other people to do it too. 4 million.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, not a class warrior then. Period.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, $4 million. The money probably just started to add up. He. He didn't know it was going to be that much.

[Shabana Aziz]

And he had expenses, I imagine. How do you make. How do you make teeth?

[Lacey Mosley]

He got a whole practice. He got to get the teeth, you know, equipment from Amazon.com probably.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm obsessed with this. And how did. How did this start? Like, if you want to do a scam, you go, nigerian prince. You don't go, teeth. Like, that's really crazy. I'm obsessed.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, in Atlanta, I think you go, teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, really?

[Lacey Mosley]

All the rappers and stuff, they want some fresh teeth. They want. And they don't want to give braces. They don't want to do the work.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's really interesting that rappers want teeth. I've never really thought about this before.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, rappers been wanting teeth. Cardi B had a song who's like, I got a bag. I fixed my teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

What was wrong with his teeth?

[Lacey Mosley]

Told these hoes this shit ain't cheap. That's Cardi B.

[Shabana Aziz]

It would have been if you'd gone to Brandon, but then we wouldn't have had the song. Wow, that's really interesting, because especially with the rise of mumble rap, I go, what is the value of having your articulation? Yeah. If you're just gonna, like, mumble, if that's the style, actually get rid of your teeth.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think it's more about the facade of it all. Because, like, veneer fraud is now, like, extremely common all over the country.

[Shabana Aziz]

Are you serious?

[Lacey Mosley]

Veneer fraud?

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's extremely common all over the country. People are trying to get your teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Are you trying.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're trying to get your teeth?

[Shabana Aziz]

Yes, they're trying to get my. They can't have my teeth. They're mine.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're trying to get your mouth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Keep your mouth closed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause Brandon might come.

[Shabana Aziz]

It's great advice for Hollywood, actually, in general.

[Lacey Mosley]

Brandon might come. You never know when Brandon gonna show up, put his hands in your mouth. You don't know Brandon.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And so look, we have a fake Tampa dentist here, Emily Martinez, who used a special beauty salon technique to attach bogus veneers to her victims. So let's look at what like, she was up to Emily. It's believed Emily Martinez used nail glue. Yes, nail glue. To attach veneers to her victim's teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Licensed dentists say if a deal on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dental work seems too good to be true, it probably is. Pinellas park police say Emily Martinez promised.

[Shabana Aziz]

To give her clients a killer smile at a killer price. Her skin is also amazing.

[Lacey Mosley]

January, we told you when she was operating the tap in beauty bar under the alias Jasmine Martinez while presenting herself. And she changed her name. Emily went from Emily to Jasmine. We should have known she was doing crimes because why you changing your name?

[Shabana Aziz]

$1,200 per tooth, too. Is Insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

Her tooth is crazy.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's really expensive.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then you just see her pulling out some Sally Hansens and putting that on your mouth.

[Shabana Aziz]

I can't. That's insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, now my teeth can come off with acetone. What? No.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, so true. Did people's teeth come off? Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you know, they teeth was coming off like that's how she got caught. If she was doing a good job, if she was a good hood. Dude, nobody would have said a word. Nobody would have said a word.

[Shabana Aziz]

This is so true, actually.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

Nobody would have said anything.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, they would have been like, I got my hookup, everything's good. But if they saying something that mean the teeth coming off really bad.

[Shabana Aziz]

Also, I'm such a messy eater that like, I definitely would eat my own teeth without realizing it. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of. Because if. Yeah, think about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Eating your own teeth. It's crazy.

[Shabana Aziz]

What if you were asleep and your tooth came off?

[Lacey Mosley]

Your tooth. Oh, my God.

[Shabana Aziz]

And then you chugged on it and perhaps died? Think about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, death by tooth is crazy.

[Shabana Aziz]

This is crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

So here's a news report with one woman who fell for an Instagram DM luring her into becoming a fake veneer tech at another Atlanta spot. So we have this video of this woman. So not only is Brandon, like selling his business, they're also like, there are people in Atlanta of like, advertising to become a dental tech in quotes.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm so obsessed with all these perspectives we're getting. Is this her the top?

[Lacey Mosley]

And it, it's, it's completely reversible.

[Shabana Aziz]

Influencer Andrea Joseph said she was contacted on Instagram by Devon Oduaso, a self described dental assistant. He asked if she could promote his business VVS Smiles in exchange for free veneers. After.

[Lacey Mosley]

After a year of watching Devon's business.

[Shabana Aziz]

Grow on Instagram, she decided to enroll.

[Lacey Mosley]

In his course and travel to Atlanta to learn how to become a veneer tech herself. What was a lot of money? He's like, oh, I've made over $100,000 in a year. My people, my people. This is us. And then they're doing great branding with it. VVS Tech, like, what's up? What was Branda's brand?

[Shabana Aziz]

It was a list.

[Lacey Mosley]

A list. A list smile. A list. VVs like fancy, fancy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Also the fact that she followed him for a year, watched him growing, and then decided like, she did her due.

[Lacey Mosley]

Diligence and it looked like he did her mouth. That's her mouth that he did her teeth look. He said they kind of look good.

[Shabana Aziz]

They look really good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Like, I kind of understand why she went into the scam.

[Shabana Aziz]

Cause they teeth, it's working.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

And they all have such good skin.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do. And like, social media ads like veneer techs are often promoting themselves on Instagram and TikTok, promising a full set of choppers for a bargain price. So you get on Instagram, they done boosted, they post chomp, chomp, chomp T.

[Shabana Aziz]

How is Instagram allowed to do that? I mean, that's crazy that somebody could just sell.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mark Zuckerberger already went to the hearing and he.

[Shabana Aziz]

And he. That's wild. That's. So that should not be legal.

[Lacey Mosley]

And instead of working out of a dental office, veneer techs often do their work at beauty salons, hotel rooms. Hotel rooms and private homes. Can you imagine? Meet me at the Marriott. We finna do your dental work.

[Shabana Aziz]

And then I would. If it was the Marriott, I would trust because that's a really fancy hotel.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? The Bonvoy. We going to the Bonvoy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Sign me the fuck up. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Kimpton. That's a Marriott property. And then I get my teeth did. No, that's crazy work.

[Shabana Aziz]

And a beauty salon too. Because veneers are. They're not real. It's not health dentistry.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, it is beauty. But at the same time, like somebody over here getting a silk and I'm getting teeth put on wild and we all in the same place, like doing the same thing.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. Getting your nails done and getting your teeth done by the same person is like actually kind of really fun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Somebody getting pressed on their nails and I'm getting pressed on teeth in the corner. It's crazy. Really fun. That don't make no damn sense, y'. All.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm shocked.

[Lacey Mosley]

And some advertise, like multi city tours. They go on tour? Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

What do you mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

And they encourage clients to message them to book an appointment in advance. So they go on a teeth tour. Like, I'mma be in your city putting them teeth on. Get your mouth ready. San Francisco.

[Shabana Aziz]

But don't you need to. With like, you have to be fitted and refitted, right? Surely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get your mouth ready. Dayton, Ohio.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's. This is insane. I need a movie about. I need a Fost and Furious style franchise about this guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I do too, because. What do you mean? Like, also as a scammer? I do admire this part because as a scammer, you do need to be on the move. You can't be in one place. You gotta.

[Shabana Aziz]

You gotta run from the law.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got advertisement. You, you running the cities. I, I, I don't know. So the cost of the deals. Veneer techs are popular because of their pricing. Right. It's cheaper with some offering a full set of veneers for a flat fee of like 4,000 to $5,000. Brandon held online raffles for a $5,500 full set. So he said if y' all get on my live like and subscribe, you might get a free mouth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Are you kidding me right now?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, excellent advertising strategy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, yeah, but what?

[Lacey Mosley]

But also crazy.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's crazy. If some guy's gonna come to your city and you've won a raffle, spend 5,000 dol. He's just going to look at your mouth one time and fit things in it immediately.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but Shabana, y' all ain't rapping no free surgery on the pit. Y' all not doing that. Y' all got a free cut.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's literally. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Put a ticket in and maybe you get your heart cut on for free. Y' all got that? Yeah. You ain't do that?

[Shabana Aziz]

No. Could you, could you imagine some. Somebody would pay for that for no Wiley to do surgery?

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, we need to stop putting the idea in the air, because this is America, and they probably be like, you know what? What? Let's like. No, the crossbowshield would be like, we have never thought about that. A raffle to the death.

[Shabana Aziz]

With veneers. Don't you shave your actual existing teeth down? So, like, this guy's just shaving your teeth down the first time he sees them and then fitting you with generic shaped teeth? Yeah, but everybody's mouth is a different size.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. You know, you got it.

[Shabana Aziz]

The more I think about this, the angrier I get. This is crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, yeah, you're, you're right on track.

[Shabana Aziz]

Shaving your whole your teeth down for $5,000.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can't go back. No, but, but you can't go back. You actually have to do, though. So you get a. I don't know what 5,500 gets you, like, as far as a full set, because they got different options, but you can get you some teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

An actual dentist. They charge between 1,000 and 2,000 for tooth per for veneers with higher prices for those made from porcelain compared to the cheaper materials, like the composite material they use for, like, filling a cavity. Yep. So that's what the cost should actually be. But Brandon was like 5,000 full mouth. So veneers are thin. They're like custom made tooth coverings used to hide minor imperfections like stains or chips or to fill in gaps between teeth. You'll recognize them from famous faces like Miley Cyrus to Jo Koy. Like, you know. Oh, okay. His are aggressive. Like, Miley's teeth look good, but Joy Joe, sir, That's a lot of teeth. Blinding. Like, why did you go so white with it? Unlike crowns or more invasive dental implants, veneers are usually considered, like, cosmetic dentistry, like you were saying. And they aren't covered by insurance. Oh, yeah, because you can't tell your insurance, like, I need my smile to be prettier, everybody. Like, no, they're not gonna go for that. So policing veneers involve stripping some of the natural enamel, like we were talking about from the tooth and bonding the new covering into place. You need anesthesia before the dental strips, like, your enamel, because that process, like getting veneers is. It's kind of a irreversible procedure. According to the American Dental association, once you do it, there ain't no going back. Once they shave you down to these little shark monster teeth, you can't go back.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah. And. Yeah, and you can't eat with those. Like, imagine how much food you would get in between your teeth.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they're not permanent. They can only be expected to last between five to 15 years before they degrade and have to be replaced. Yeah. And also there's a thing where, like, if you get veneers where they're placed, they can interrupt your gum health. So there's this thing called veneer breath. Yeah. Where your breath smells bad because you can't brush in between your gums and your teeth because there's a fake thing sitting there, closing up that gap. And then bacteria is being trapped in there. And then your breath smells bad. And that's so many risks.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's the reason I don't have Lasik, because every eye doctor I go to is wearing glasses. And I'm like, well, if you ain't getting your eye cut on, I'm not getting mine either.

[Shabana Aziz]

Like, yes, yes. But Lasik is scary.

[Lacey Mosley]

Am I gonna say it? I do have veneers.

[Shabana Aziz]

Wait, which one's.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's some in my mouth. Yeah, there's some.

[Shabana Aziz]

You've got a great smile.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you.

[Shabana Aziz]

I don't have veneers, but I have. I've got a really strong tongue. That sounds really weird. And. But. And I get food trapped in, like, one part of my teeth, so I push it out with my tongue. And then now both of those teeth have, like, turned over time. And so I'm going to have, like, sideways teeth here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but just keep them. Keep the integrity of your face. I didn't get all the veneers. I didn't get my whole mouth done. Because after. After they did the processes, which actually was a process, I was like, I don't want more of this. Like, I think I'm good. So the risks of bad work, if you get cheap, unlicensed veneers, you risk damage to the tooth itself, possible nerve damage and infection. And we talked about infections. Lead to the heart, like, the teeth, the mouth, like, it's. It's not a game to play with. If they use the wrong amount of anesthesia, it can be incredibly painful. They can also go too deep into the tooth and penetrate what's called the pulp chamber, which contains blood vessels and nerves.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

So now you're hooting and hollering on the table. Cause somebody coming at you with a nail drill. Somebody over here getting a fill in, somebody getting some extensions taped in. And you over here getting your pulse drilled on.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Another big issue is that fake techs don't actually examine your teeth to see if you have any issues like gum disease or cavities. If you put a veneer on top of the cavity, the cavity will keep growing even though it's covered up. And you're going to eventually lose that tooth.

[Shabana Aziz]

But you know a veneer guy already.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but you can't put a veneer on a tooth that ain't there.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, yeah. Shit. Oh, I didn't think about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So if you lose that tooth, there's nothing of you be running around looking like Chrisean. That's a deep cut. If y' all know.

[Shabana Aziz]

What do you do if you don't have a tooth? Then how do you be toothless if you lose a tooth? Surely they can stick on a fake tooth.

[Andy Richter]

Bridge.

[Shabana Aziz]

A bridge.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you gotta get a bridge.

[Shabana Aziz]

Thank you, Richard.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Somebody gotta drill a little screw in your mouth to put another. Yeah, you don't want that. Plus, like, let's not forget that your teeth might look really bad. And it can cost $2,000 per too to fix bad dental work.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you might even go in deeper. But the allure of being a fake dentist is hard to resist by many schemers.

[Shabana Aziz]

So hard to resist, they keep coming back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause, like, every day you could go buy scrubs anywhere. You telling me? I got the uniform, I got the outfit, and I took the $6,000 training class. I'm a dentist.

[Shabana Aziz]

Say it again. Say that. Say it again. It's so fun. The allure of being a dentist.

[Lacey Mosley]

The allure of being a fake dentist is hard to resist by men as schemers. Honestly, it's making it a little hard for me to resist. I kind of.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah, it's seductive. It's seductive. Seem like I could be. Like, I might quit my job.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, at least you get to get your itch out with the pit. Cause you in scrubs on the pit. Being a doctor.

[Shabana Aziz]

I have no medical itch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Period.

[Shabana Aziz]

Period. Every new thing I learned about make.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sure you play that role a little too well. I feel like you might have a little medical itch.

[Shabana Aziz]

Absolutely. Absolutely the opposite.

[Lacey Mosley]

You ain't never want to do teeth.

[Shabana Aziz]

Get me out of people's mouths. You don't get to give me their mouth. And I'm like, stop. Absolutely not.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna give you my mouth right now. You. You don't. You could do a little tune up. You could do.

[Shabana Aziz]

Could you? Could you? No, I, I. Oh, my God. No. That's my nightmare. Medical stuff is my nightmare. Like, absolutely not Same.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's disgusting. I, I love that people have God complexes. I love that there are people who are born who are like, I can save your life and I'm gonna get in here and cut on your body and look at the blood. I love that they love looking inside your body like the most invasive thing you can do. Look, I gossip. I. I will sit at a restaurant and I will listen to a full conversation that's happening two tables over and be fully involved. I'm nosy in that way. I'm not nosy in a. Let me cut you open and see what's going on inside. Nosy. But I'm so happy that there are.

[Shabana Aziz]

People who are so grateful.

[Lacey Mosley]

It makes a world of difference.

[Shabana Aziz]

Heroes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because I can't do that. So don't get caught by these fake dentists. Separate the DDS from the BS, please. By searching their name on mouthhealthy.org I can't believe there is a website for this.

[Shabana Aziz]

And I can't believe it's called Mouth Healthy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you kidding me?

[Shabana Aziz]

Healthy.

[Lacey Mosley]

We were talking about giving the mouth up. They. They try to make the mouth healthy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Mouth healthy.com sounds like a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's dot org. So it's not a scam because it's a dot Organization. Mouth healthy. Convinced.

[Shabana Aziz]

I'm not convinced at all. That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a tool to Check if your provider is licensed in your state. So you can go on mouth healthy.org and see if they need to be in your mouth. Don't let them put their fingers in until you've gone on mouth healthy.

[Shabana Aziz]

Keep that mouth healthy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Keep that mouth healthy healthy. Yes.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's why it was crazy that they were going on tours, because you have to be licensed within a state. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And think about it, like, I. I'll think about it like this. You know how in California, it's incredibly difficult to pass the bar?

[Shabana Aziz]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, the bar is different in every state.

[Shabana Aziz]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So these people are going on tour. They definitely are not licensed in all these states. They can't. No.

[Shabana Aziz]

That's crazy. That's wild, actually.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. If y' all see somebody going on a mouth tour, don't go close your mouth up. Don't let them put their fingers in there. Don't let them do it.

[Shabana Aziz]

Cause they'll just nail glue in your mouth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, my God. This is horrible.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's. Yeah, it is. I mean, he is, like, kind of, like, iconic, but he's got very sad eyes. He's so diabolical for this. Like, yeah, his eyes are very sad. I mean, imagine having to spend your life on the run.

[Shabana Aziz]

But also, what's interesting is that he's in. He's behind bars, and so he doesn't have access to his dental equipment and his mouth. And I wonder what's going on in his mouth.

[Lacey Mosley]

His mouth is closed, and when we first saw him, his mouth was open.

[Shabana Aziz]

He had his big smile. I bet his teeth have fallen off.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm so sorry, Brandon. Brandon, part of this is your mama fault, because why would she name you that?

[Andy Richter]

But.

[Lacey Mosley]

Here we are. We'll see what happens with Brandon.

[Shabana Aziz]

I can't wait.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shawna, what do you think about Brandon? What do you think? Like, should he get time for this?

[Shabana Aziz]

Oh, I'm not a lawyer, and I'll not be making any legal claims on behalf of anybody. I'm not media trained, but I know that I. I mean, I hope all them people with nail. Nail glue in their mouths get it out. And $4 million, like, that's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a lot of money.

[Shabana Aziz]

He's been stealing from people.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, he technically was doing the search. Nervous. I was shocked to see the face. Just made it be like, was he.

[Shabana Aziz]

No, I think if you. Yeah, he shaved the teeth down. That's for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Shabana Aziz]

Who knows what he put on top?

[Lacey Mosley]

God, this has really awoken a lot of things for me. Well, we always ask at the end of the show. Okay, where would you like to be found? So any social medias, any shows, anything you want people to watch. See you at whatever.

[Shabana Aziz]

I know I have to. Yes, please watch the pit. Please watch the lesbian space princess. That's out now. Bird Eaters out now. Tales from Outer Suburbia is also out, I think worldwide. It's animation for children, just in case you were confused. But don't find me anywhere on social. Don't find me. Leave me alone.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's all we ask. Where do you want to be found? We want to know where you want to be.

[Shabana Aziz]

Find me in your heart with some kindness. Thank you. Yes, but social media. Get off social media. Take a walk with your friends. Call your loved ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. You guys can find me at D I V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. You can find me on Scam Goddess. Pod, if you wanna look at all of these photos of Brandon from when he was so joyous doing his illegal mouth work to when he got caught up in the jailhouse. And he looked so sad with his mouth closed, you can watch Going Dutch right now on Fox. And on next day, Hulu. You can watch Scam Goddess, a television show on Hulu. You can get my book. Scam Goddess, wherever you buy books or download books or whatever you want to do with that. And Scam Goddess, we're going on our Live Nation mini tour. So in the spring, I'm going to be in your city. Chicago, San Francisco, New York City. Irving, Texas. That's Dallas, Texas, y'. All. That's my hometown. If y' all don't show yalls fucking asses for that show, I swear to God I'm gonna come in like John Wick and act like y' all killed my dog and whoop everybody's asses. You better show the fuck up for Dallas, Texas. Okay? And then I'm going back to Cobbs Comedy Theater in San Francisco. And y' all know we have a good time. And that's the one that I'm gonna record because I know how y' all act, and I love how y' all act. Act up. All right, congregation, I want y' all to get out there, and I want you to stay certificating. Make your own certificates, guys. Okay? It just takes a printer and a border.

[Shabana Aziz]

And a dream.

[Lacey Mosley]

And a dream. And maybe some thick paper that's not white. A little cream that really gives a credence.

[Shabana Aziz]

A serif font.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, a serif font. Yes. Y' all get out there and y' all certificate okay yeah Certify stuff. I believe in you. You can be a dentist if you want. Scam Goddess Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay Scheming Eczema is unpredictable, but you.

[Shabana Aziz]

Can flare less with ebgliss, a once monthly treatment for moderate dissip clear eczema after an initial four month or longer dosing phase. About four in ten people taking Epilis achieved itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks and most of those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

[Andy Richter]

MGLIS Lebricizumab LBKZ a 250mg 2ml injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema, also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies. EBGLIS can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you're allergic to ebglis. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglis. Before starting Ebglis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection.

[Shabana Aziz]

Ask your doctor about ebglis and visit ebgliss.lily.com or call 1-800-lilyrx or 100. Hi, I'm Caitlin Coleman, winner of Target's HBCU Design Challenge. This challenge moved me closer to my dream of becoming a fashion designer through mentorship and support. You can find my design, along with creations from other Black founders in Target's Black History Month collection.