Peak Fraud & Sherpa Shenanigans w/ Ginger Minj

Summary

Scam Goddess – “Peak Fraud & Sherpa Shenanigans w/ Ginger Minj”
Release Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Ginger Minj

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic “Scam Goddess” blend: true crime meets true con, but with the sparkle and wit the show is famous for. Drag queen superstar Ginger Minj (RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10 winner) joins host Laci Mosley for a riotous discussion on all things scammy, from everyday schemes to a notorious $20 million insurance fraud targeting Mount Everest climbers. The chat is filled with humor, personal anecdotes, and plenty of scammy wisdom—perfect for the Scam Goddess “Con-gregation."

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Main Segments and Discussion Points

1. Catching Up with Ginger Minj

(Starts ~02:00)

• Laci welcomes Ginger, praises her achievements on “Drag Race,” her memoir/cookbook “Southern Fried Sass,” and new projects.
• Ginger shares her philosophy on staying busy:

  “I try to stay as booked, blessed, and busy as possible.” (03:00)

• Banter about being overworked, losing one’s voice, and the perils of “using your throat too much”—with classic comedic double-entendre.

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2. “Is It a Scam, Scheme, or Real Thing?”

(04:00–21:00)

A recurring segment where Laci and Ginger debate whether everyday practices are scams, schemes, or legit. Categories:

a. Tax Accountants

• Ginger votes: “Real thing” – She relies on professionals as her tax bracket changed.
• Laci leans “scheme,” criticizing the complexity designed to create middlemen.

  “It gives middleman… you need the fear of Wesley Snipes jail hanging over your head.” (05:08, Laci)

• Mutual stress and anxiety over taxes lead to relatable comedy.

b. Loyalty Programs (Punch cards, airline status, store rewards)

• Ginger calls them “a scheme”: initially beneficial, but companies keep “moving the goalposts.”

  “It’s this endless cycle of you can have this, but you have to keep working harder… give us more and we’re gonna give you less.” (08:26, Ginger)

• Laci notes their emotional manipulation:

  “They’re so emotionally manipulative… brand loyalty makes you pay more for points.” (08:41, Laci)

• Ginger’s favorite? Wawa.

  “The only place that I am legit loyal to because of the loyalty card is Wawa. You can get anything there.” (09:21, Ginger)

• Amusing detour into loyalty to makeup stores and the folly of posh fashion scams online.

c. Spirit Airlines

• Both agree it’s a “scheme”—hidden fees, nickel-and-diming, but opened air travel to many.

  “It did open up air travel for people… RIP Spirit.” (16:59-21:11)

• Laci sums up: “Customer service was trash… nickel and dime people to death is also ass. But it did open up air travel for people.”
• Discussion on how “budget” airline tactics have spread to major carriers, making airfare for everyone more complicated and costly.

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3. Historic Hoodwinks: The Mount Everest Rescue Scam

(26:05–64:40)

The Fraud:

Nepali guides, helicopter companies, and hospitals colluded to scam insurance companies by:

• Faking rescue emergencies for foreign climbers, often by purposely poisoning climbers with excess baking powder, uncooked chicken, or rat droppings to induce symptoms.
• Staging helicopter evacuations, then billing insurance for unnecessary or inflated rescue fees.
• Falsifying hospital records and admissions.

Highlights & Memorable Quotes:

• Laci’s Everest take:

  “I’ve never looked at this mountain and been like, ‘What’s it like to be on top?’ I don’t give a shit.” (26:43, Laci)

• Ginger on climbing:

  "I am not a nature girl… literally everything trying to kill you all at once." (26:52, Ginger)

• Mocking Everest’s hazards and “mile markers” being preserved corpses (“Green Boots”):

  “I don’t want to go anywhere where a mile marker is a dead man’s shoes.” (34:12, Laci)

• Sherpas get paid $4,000 per climbing season vs. climber fees of $50–80k:

  "If your life is in my hands, it should be worth a little bit more to you than $4,000 for the season.” (42:41, Ginger)

• Exposing the mechanics:
  • Helicopters are billed per passenger regardless of sharing (helicopter pool/Uber analogy).
  • Hospitals join in, faking treatments for increased claims.

Scam Ethics

• Both Laci and Ginger empathize with the Sherpas, recognizing the exploitative industry:

  “It’s great the Sherpas are like, ‘This ain’t paying the bills anymore. We are busting our ass for these people, so we need to start getting what we deserve.’” (63:25, Ginger)

• Baking powder poisoning vs. pure theatrics—Ginger and Laci prefer the “dramatic” over dangerous approach for triggering rescues.
  • Laci: “The theatrical ones, I’m really behind all the way.” (64:40)
  • Ginger: “I’ve been known to give people diarrhea from here to there…” (64:47)
• The scam netted $20M+ in three years; around 5,000 climbers scammed.
• Local police have arrested over 30 people and companies, but Laci suspects the crackdown is mainly performative.

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Notable Moments & Quotes

• On Artificial Intelligence Scams:
  Ginger: “I always look like a 70-year-old Hispanic woman when people use AI to generate images of me!” (12:24)
• Laci on loyalty programs:
  “Brand loyalty makes you pay more for points.”
• Ginger on Everest tourists:
  “You're carrying all their stuff and cleaning up after them... for $4,000 a season?!” (41:42)
• Dead bodies as mile markers:
  Laci: "I don’t want to go anywhere where a mile marker is a dead man’s shoes." (34:12)
• On Sherpas' Scam:
  Ginger: “It’s like a revolution or a mutiny or something. I am going to get it by hook or by crook, because I deserve it.” (64:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Welcome and catching up with Ginger Minj | 02:00–04:00 | | Is It a Scam/Scheme/Real Thing: Tax Accountants | 04:23–06:50 | | Loyalty Programs | 07:25–11:48 | | Fashion & Online AI Scams | 10:52–13:44 | | Spirit Airlines | 14:38–22:54 | | Historic Hoodwinks - Everest Fraud | 26:05–64:40 | | Sherpa compensation and ethics | 41:42–43:23 | | Details of the $20M Everest Helicopter Scam | 47:10–59:21 | | Scam Rating and Final Thoughts | 63:20–64:40 | | Ginger’s plugs and upcoming projects | 65:04–66:18 |

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Ginger Minj’s Plugs and Projects

(65:04–66:18)

• Movie: “Stop That Train” (with RuPaul and Jujubee)
• Tour: “Licked” (a Wicked parody, Atlanta in June, Provincetown in July)
• “Hocus Pocus” live tour (with Jujubee and Sapphira)
• Socials: @hegingerminj across all platforms

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Episode Tone and Style

The episode is irreverent and comedic, using classic Scam Goddess high-low language and drag queen quick wit. Both Laci and Ginger bring personal stories and sharp pop culture references, keeping the content relatable and laugh-out-loud funny even when dissecting grim scams.

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Takeaways

• Many “legit” things (accountants, loyalty programs, budget airlines) live in a grey area between scam and necessity.
• The $20M Everest Scam is presented as both an exploitation of the exploiters (wealthy climbers and insurance companies) and a symptom of wage inequality.
• Laci and Ginger highlight the ethics—leaning towards sympathy for the locals working the scam.
• The “theatrical” approach to scamming is always preferred over actual harm.

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Closing Advice

“Keep the spirit of the scheme alive… Stay schemin’!” (66:54, Laci)

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For more, follow @scamgoddesspod, @divalaci, and @hegingerminj on all platforms. And as always, join the Con-gregation and “Stay schemin’!”

Transcript

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

All.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

The Scam Goddess live tour was lit. Clearly. Cause your girl can't even use her throat no more. I don't like how that sounded. But anyways, Congregation, y' all already know I'm very. What? Yes. Excited, thrilled, elated. Today we have an icon on the show. Honey. She is a drag legend and the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 10. Last fall, she wrapped the Hocus Pocus across North America. And not only did she star in it, but she also wrote, produced, and directed it. She authored her debut memoir, part cookbook, Southern Fried Sass. I know. That's right. And you've seen her on Netflix, Dumplin Disney's Hocus Pocus 2 and the feature

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

She's busy. And you'll be able to catch her in the newest funny film, marking the first ever theatrical feature from the RuPaul's Drag Race universe. Stop that train. Yes. Congregation, please welcome the Queen, Ginger Minj to the show. Hi, Ginger.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Hello. How are you?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I'm. I'm doing wonderful. Clearly you are quite busy. I'm glad that we could grab you. I feel like, you're.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, I love being grabbed. I will take any opportunity I can.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I feel like we had to grab you. I guess, like if we waited, we were never going to see her.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, I don't know. Some people think they see me too much, so.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So. Oh, no such thing. Not with you, no. Oh, my gosh. Congratulations on all of this wonderful work that you've been up to. This is so dope.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Thank you. I mean, I was raised where idle hands are the devil's work, you know? So I try to stay as booked, blessed, and busy as possible.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

We share that in common. That's why I sound all raggedy.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I've been keeping up with you on the Internet too. There's a reason that your voice sounds like that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Woo. I forgot. It's an instrument. And I was hooting and hollering. We was hooting and hollering too much.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Hey, sometimes you gotta use that instrument for good and bad, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Okay, listen, we not even gonna get into that, but we asked everyone on this podcast now their opinions about scams or just things that are technically legal right now, but we don't know how we feel about them. So I wanna ask you in this segment, is it a scam? Is it a scheme or is it a real thing? A scam being something that should be illegal and is like, you know, people are being ripp. A scheme is like. It feels illegal, but Pink Panther is. We just gonna. We just gonna happen. And then a real thing is something that we think is, like, legit and we. We find some value in it. So those are the categories. And so we're gonna get Ginger's opinions all throughout. So Ginger, the first one, just because we're coming off of this season, or maybe some of us are about to go to jail for this season, myself included. Tax accountants, scam, scheme or real thing?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I think a real thing. You know, as I've shifted tax brackets throughout my career, I don't think that I would have been able to navigate that without the know how and help from other people. And believe me, I. I'm one. I am a. A cheap queen. I. I love beauty on a budget. I love a bargain. So I've tried to go online and do it myself, but. But I just get so confused. I can't figure it out. I need somebody to take me by the hand and say, no, no, no, no, no. This is what you do, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I mean, I would have to agree. Obviously, I have an accountant as well. But for me, it still feels kind of like a scheme because it's like

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

made the tax system so complicated. So that part.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Okay, yes, I would agree.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

They could make all of this money. Like, there was supposed to be direct file. TurboTax lobbied against that hard body because they were like, y' all can't just get on the government website and then get a government. Your tax money. You need us. You need nebulous jargon.

[Sponsor Announcer]

You need the fear of Wesley Snipes jail hanging over your head. And, like, so we can get your money.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Because I'm like, it just. It gives middleman. And, like, yes, when you get into a certain bracket and you start trying to hide assets, it makes a little more sense. I mean, not hide assets. I mean, just, like, you know, like, you know what I meant?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

So, you know, like, right off your eyelashes.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

But honestly, aren't you using them for work, Ginger?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I am. I am. But that's the thing, too, right? Like, when I started getting into this, I didn't know if I could write off eyelashes or what's the difference between writing off an eyelash and having a gown made or anything like that, you know? So it's like, there's a lot of nuance to it. And I agree with you. I think it is all created to feed into that system to make us think we need them a little bit more than we actually do. So they could take more of the money and. But I also know that I would be completely lost without the guidance of somebody.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I'm literally having anxiety right now about it.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Me, too.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like, so, girl.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And I am out of Ativan right now, so let's.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, no. Oh, Lordy. Jesus. We don't even have to take deep breaths. And a Benadryl. Okay. You can't have anxiety when you sleep.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, I got asthma. I can't take a deep breath if I wanted to.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I have asthma, too. It's okay. Mine is, like, only, like, allergy related, though. Like, a cedar tree could kill me. Which feels very sad because I would be, like, super dead in the 1800s. Like, a tree could kill me.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, I think we all would have been dead in the 1800s by now.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Well, somebody had to make it.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Like, wasn't the life expectancy then, like, you were old at 20?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, it was, like, 30s. It was. That's when people were like, let's go back to these old. And turpentine treatments. I was like, do y' all not remember the life expectancy?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no, no. I'm good. I'm good. I'm about to be 42, I'm happy where I am. I feel like my life is actually finally starting, which I love.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

That's the something that I think that people don't talk about enough is like, as you get older, things get easier. For the most part. Some things get. I think you.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, I think we understand them a little bit better.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, you're looking for. So it's not as like jarring. You're not making the same decisions you made the first time. You saw everything all wide eyed. So the next one. Scam, scheme or loyalty programs. So if you get like a little punch card, if you go somewhere, the 10th one's free or like airline loyalty, it could be any kind of loyalty programs. What do you think? Scam, scheme or real thing?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I think that it's a scheme. I don't think it's a scam. And I, I mean, I do see the value in these programs because I have benefited from some of them. Especially like, you know, I'm a Million Miler Delta Platinum medallion member and have been for years.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, I'm sure you got all the diamonds and rubies.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

But the problem with it is, is that it's accessible to so many people that once everybody starts getting the same benefits, then they move the goalposts again.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

So then nobody gets them and you have to start working even harder to reach what you already had. So it feels like it's this endless cycle of you can have this, but you have to keep working harder for you gotta give us more and we're gonna give you less.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And we're gonna get into that exact point in a second with the next one. But to hop back onto like the loyalty programs just in general, I find that they're also so emotionally manipulative. Cause it's like I'm. I have brand loyalty to this company. And so then when I'm like locked in to like, you know, oh, whatever this punch card is, or whatever this little letter on my flight chair is, or whatever the hell, you know, I get perks for, you know, only shopping here. Then when a better deal is ARR around, I'll go for the more expensive place. Because I'm like, oh, well, this is where I'm gonna get my points. But it's like, this is cheaper. I should probably go with the cheaper thing and just not be loyal.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

See, and I'm the girl that will always go with the cheaper thing. I don't care how loyal I've been to you. The only place that I think I am, like legit Loyal. Loyal to. Because of the loyalty card is Wawa. I love Wawa. You can get anything there. And their loyalty program actually, like, really works, because if you have the. The little card, I. I'm a smoker. I know I got asthma. I know I got problems. But I do smoke, and I get a discount on my cigarettes every time I buy them there. I get free coffee one day a week.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

What city do you live in?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I'm in Orlando.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, okay. Cause I was about to say you just got wawas around, like, we do well, and.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

But the thing about that is they all popped up, like, overnight about a decade and maybe a decade and a half ago. I had heard about them for years, saw them on Twitter.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

That's like a PA thing. That's like.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. And then, like, one popped up, and then within six months, they were everywhere. And I love that. I love a Wawa. Gotta have a Wawa. But I do feel like out of all of the rewards programs I've ever been a part of, that's the one that actually seems to benefit me every time.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Ginger for being so glamorous. It's very, very funny to me that she's like, the only one I got is Wawa.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I mean, I get my Sephora.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like, Vib Sephora. I thought you were going to say,

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I do get my Sephora points. I do get my Ulta points. And I go to both of those, of course, for, like, different things. I don't know. Does she encounter the fashion house?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I mean, technically, it is a house, and they are making something.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yes. They're making fools of all of us is what they're doing. Now. That's a scam right there. That is the scam where they post the most beautiful picture in the world. And, you know, in your head, you're like, there is no way I'm getting this couture gown full of ostrich feathers and rhinestones for $11.95. But there's that part of your brain that goes, maybe, just maybe this is the one time. No, it is never the time that

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

in the factory, like, they just really ate that up. You know, they had a good day.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

They had extra rhinestones, and they just went, no, they did not. Ever.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, like, I get it when people are buying T shirts or very, very tight dresses or whatever, you know, stuff they're selling, I get that stuff. But whenever it's something that I'm looking at it, I'm like, the quality and the time it would take to make this like, you should have known better.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. All right. I mean, at least I don't know if you're gonna AI the image that you give us. I mean, at least make it a little more realistic. Just, just type in your prompt. Like, make it good, but not too good.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like, make it.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

If we're charging $11.95, maybe make it look like we should have charged for that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Why can't you just go back to the old fashioned ways and like, go get a picture from the real website and then pretend that that's yours. We don't need to use AI to do crime. I want us to get back on the old fashioned wave.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

We don't need to use AI for anything.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Exactly.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And I love the times that people use AI to generate images of me. I always look like. I always look like a 70 year old Hispanic woman.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Not. They made you look like Yolanda Saldivar. That's not right.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, yes, but there are times I. Sometimes it's like really beautiful and I can see like, okay, maybe that's my eye or maybe that's my cheek or my lips or whatever. But there are other times where I'm like, what does, what does this artificial intelligence think I am? What does it think I look like?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Well, it'll combine a lot of different images into one. And so that's why it ends up looking very strange, because it's reaching out from different, like, photo sources and putting them all into one face. That's why it's like super weird.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It's always weird. And that's the thing. I'm like, I don't. I don't see like the benefit of it.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

No, there's no benefit. It's killing the planet and it's starting to create like, heat, like areas where things are drying out and wildlife is like, not being able to find girl.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It's killing the planet. It is killing my self esteem.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh my goodness. All of us. All of us. It's killing. Like, it's not like we were already not getting dumber and George Bush said he was gonna leave us behind and he definitely did. He was like, skir.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Skr.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And now you got AI slapping chat GPT making it even worse. Nobody wants to know anything anymore.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No. And the biggest part about that is you use it without even realizing it most of the time. Because I'll go in and do a Google search. I had to learn months after it started happening. You have to disable the AI prompts for it. Because I'm going in and I'm Doing okay, who was this actor that was in this movie? And then all of a sudden, it's like this whole thing. AI generated dossier on this one person. Where they were born, how they live, what their personal beliefs are in every movie they've ever been in. I'm like, girl, I just wanted to know the name of that actor, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And now it's in our emails too. You get an email and be like, okay, they talk about something, something money, something, something Tuesday, something, something availability. I'm like, I didn't ask you to summarize this. I was gonna open the email. But anyways, last scam, scheme or real thing?

[Sponsor Announcer]

Spirit Airlines.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Was it a scam?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Like, just in general, was it a scheme?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Was it a real thing? Now that she's gone on to that, that's. Now she's become a spirit.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

She's become a spirit. I don't. I mean, I certainly think that it's a real thing. I mean, had its benefits. I, I utilized it sometimes. But the problem. Okay, it's a scheme. I'll go with scheme. I was gonna say, okay, I'm gonna go with scheme. Because while I mean, yes, if you just need a quick flight and you've got the clothes on your back and that's all you need to get to and from where you wanna go, that's fine for your $45 flight. But whenever you purchase that $45 flight and you show up with your personal overnight bag or a checked luggage and you, you start realizing there's their airline, right? So your bag can't be £50, it has to be £40. And instead of charging you a certain amount like other airlines do for any overages, you're getting charged almost double what you would be just to check that bag on a regular airline or taking like back in the day, a Southwest flight where you get your two bags free or whatever. So then you get on and you're like, okay, can I, can I have a Diet Coke? And they go, well, yeah, but you got to pay for that. Or can I use the bathroom? Yeah, put the quarter in the slot on the side of the door before you go in.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You have a seatbelt? Yeah, you got $20 seatbelts.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Exactly. So that's what it felt like the few times I took Spirit or Allegiant or any of the budget airlines. It's like, okay, I see what purpose this serves. But I also see how once I am on board and I am a captive audience, I cannot escape giving you more money to where I'm Actually paying as much, if not more than I would have just to take a Delta or some other airline that was a little bit more expensive.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Now see, I agree with everything that you're saying and that's why it's so conflicting. Because it is a scheme where like it's almost like skylight. Like okay, yeah, your ticket was $39. But then when you get there they're like, you better be wearing all the clothes you wearing on the trip on your body right now.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Like, and it better not because if it encroaches on the seat next to you, we are going to charge you for that seat.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

We will weigh you, we'll put you on the baggage weight too to see how much clothing you got on. Absolutely. And also what it did too was it discompartmented all of these different things that used to just be included in one ticket price. Which would like in a way was really great for people who couldn't afford like really expensive flights, had never taken a flight before, maybe last minute flight for bereavement or whatever. Now these people could be like, I can just go with the clothes on my back, you know, if, if I'm cool with getting under the plane with the luggage, I can get there for $22. Like you know, like they gave you some options. Right? But then the issue is, is that yes, I democratized air travel for people who couldn't afford it. And I thought that was really beautiful. That's kind of what sad. Especially cuz Spirit had never had an injury. Like they've never had anybody die on any of their flights, which I think is amazing. So seeing 17,000 employees just lose their jobs like some of them in the sky is really sad.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It is very sad. I mean that's a whole other story. But.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right. So I think the service was a scheme because you know, if you went to the Spirit ticket counter, they. Everybody who goes to that counter is having the worst day of their life. So I, at that point I was convinced they was giving the employees Xanax or something because everybody was so chill. You couldn't tell the Spirit employee nothing. That was going to ruffle them. You could be like, there's a gun in my back right now. They'd be like, okay, so is you and the gunman coming on the flight or.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, and the gun is going to be an extra 50 doll. Is that okay?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Is that okay? Okay, yeah. They did not give a fuck. But also other big airlines started to do what they were doing. Like they started to be like, oh well, you know what we're going to. American Airlines was the first one we're going to charge for bags. Oh, now like, oh, the, the drinks are going to be separate.

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Delta has three different, like, they have two, no three different economies. I think there's like economy, basic, then there's economy, regular, and then there's a kind like comfort plus.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Plus they have the gotta get away fares, which are basic economy, lowest base price, but it doesn't include anything. You can't, there's no insurance with it. You can't, you can't access the flight if you have to. You can't get miles. Yeah, it's like it sets such a bad example that of course everybody else starts going, well, I mean, they're still at that point still in business. So it's working. I guess we can start doing it too. But then what other airlines don't, I guess realize is that you're not starting at that base 49 ticket, right? No, they realize still charge. I mean, well, I mean, well, I guess, but they're charging, you know, a couple hundred bucks for these basic gotta get away fares that include nothing. And you've gotta add on to it, and add on to it that at that point it's like I could have bought just a first class flight and gotten all this stuff for free at this point, plus a meal.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

But I think their hope is, is that if you are like most Americans living check to check that like maybe we didn't have the whole Shabuya in the beginning, so you paid little by little, they nickel and dimed you. But they studied spirits, like their customer base to see how much they could get away with with all of us. And now that's why I feel like that's the biggest scheme, because flights are ridiculous. Like when Spirit went out of business in the sky, I was on my way to the airport. All of a sudden, curiously, my flight was canceled by Delta. And then all the other flights that I could get on were way like twice the price.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Really?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yes. Southwest Airlines went up. This is a flight from San Francisco to LA, one way, $400.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no, ma'.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Am. Yes, because I was in the airport when Spirit was like, Spirit, like, it left.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, it caught the spirit.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

It caught the Spirit and the Holy Ghost and left us with these vultures in hell. But yeah, like I, I say, Spirit is a scheme too, because the customer service was trash and nickel and diamond people to death is also ass. But at the same time, it did open up air travel for people. So RIP Spirit.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. I mean, I remember like, before I was on Drag Race, I. I mean, I've been doing drag for 25 years now.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

That's beautiful.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And it was like, I'm glad you think so. But there were, there was like at least decade that I was traveling on my own dime to go and do pageants and go do out of state bookings that weren't close enough for me to drive to. And Allegiant Air, which is basically Spirit without the big yellow signs. They run a little airport out of Sanford. So I was like, well, I guess for, you know, that extra 30 minute time for me to drive over there, it's worth taking this $29 flight to go where I have to go. But then when you're traveling with drag, I started realizing, oh, my God, I'm literally paying an extra $150 just to get all of the things that I need back and forth with me.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, yeah, you got wigs, you got makeup. I don't know why you thought you could travel like.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, but it did in certain times.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Ginger, I've seen your drag. The wig alone is gonna run you like a hundred dollars.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, it's true. It is very true. It is true. But there were those moments that I had no other option. And it was basically a layaway plan for me because I knew, ooh, if I buy my tickets for these next six gigs on the Fourth of July, when they used to do those 14 each way or whatever it was. Yeah, I would just stack up my flights and then save up my money going, okay, I know it's going to be another 150, but it's not 150 I have to spend right now. And I know I'm going to be able to get there. So pluses and minuses, but definitely a scheme scams.

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

let's get into historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Ginger with a famous con caper. Group of criminals will get our opinions all throughout. And today we're going to be talking about a sky high $20 million fraud scheme. So hiking guides, helicopter company and hospitals near Mount Everest have been poisoning foreign climbers to trigger pricey rescues and collect on their travel insurance. So this is Everest.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, I'm familiar with Expedition Everest at Animal Kingdom at Disney. That's actually my only frame of reference

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

for this, but looks very similar, right? I mean, I've never looked at this mountain and been like, what's it like to be on top? I don't give a shit.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no, I don't give a shit. I'm not a nature girl in the first place. Like, it takes a lot to get me outdoors, mostly because of my allergies and the sun and literally everything trying to kill you all at once.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I'll hike, like, as long as it's like a little bit flat, you know? And also, I'm not camping. I'm not sleeping outside. Like, my ancestors fought way too hard. Why the hell would I go cosplay? Like, like not having a home that's wild.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Like, would you glamp?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

See, to me then it's like we're one step away from just being in a house, like a cabin in the woods. Like, why does it need to be. Why does it need to be tiny and uncomfortable if we're, if it's gonna already be nice and in the woods?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Okay, I will concede that. But there are some moments in my life where I have never found the kind of solitude that I have. Like in a pop up camper in the middle of the woods, like just by myself. And I know that's like, that's super weird to say out loud sometimes and hear it because it sounds like, oh, you're just begging to be murdered in the middle of the woods.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, no. People who are doing murders, they gotta be in high traffic areas. Do you know how long you'd have to wait to get you a murder if you was in the woods? Like, you'd just be standing behind a tree like, oh my God.

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

All right, well, maybe a squirrel would murder me. I don't. I just keep waiting.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

But yeah. So you find solitude in the camper and like resting.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And are you by yourself?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Either by myself or like with my husband or. It's not something that I Will, I don't want to put out the idea that I am, like, this mountain woman, and I just go out there and camp all the time. This has been very select times throughout my life. I could count on one hand how many times I've done it. But I do, you see, like, the intrigue and, like, how it is good for the spirit sometimes to be. Oh, spirit. We're always bringing it back.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I know, but how it could be

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

good for you just to, like, be in that solitude. But no, it's not something that I would want to be in all the time, and I would not want to have to hike to the top of a cold, snowy mountain to do that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

No. And it's so dangerous. It's really expensive. It's bad for the environment, and it's, like, 8,000 meters above sea level. Mount Everest is the highest point on Earth. That cloud attracts a lot of climbers and some people who know what they're doing and many who do not. I'm gonna say most probably don't.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I'm gonna, like, wager a bet to say, no, they don't.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I mean, I jump into things I don't know how to do all the time. That's kind of how I, like, ended up here 25 years later as a Dragon Queen. I jumped into it. Didn't know anything about it, but I think it's a little bit different than saying, I'm going to take this backpack full of beef jerky and climb to the top of the highest point in the world.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I don't know, Ginger. I feel like the next time I see you, it's going to be an ad for, like, you sponsoring rei.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I only know what REI is simply because when I was filming All Stars 6, I could look out of my. It was during, like, the height of COVID so we had to quarantine for 10 days in our hotel rooms and, like, couldn't leave them. And the only thing I could see out of my hotel room was this, like, rei. And I didn't have a phone to look up what the hell it was. So everybody that would come by, like, anytime the PAs would come by, I'd be like, hey, what is REI? What is it? And nobody could tell. It took a week for me to get that info. That's the only reason. And I know what REI is.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I love that all these queens were like, what is rei? My producer suggested a collab. Maybe Patagonia and Gucci. That's Ginger.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yes, I like that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So when the climbers are doing this Obviously, they're encountering, like, really harsh obstacles, like altitude sickness, weather and wind and frostbite and avalanches. And Kumbu. That's icefall. It's like a glacier. Yeah. That's sliding about 1 meter down the side of the mountain every day. So, you know, also just like ice knives.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. Like frozen, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Exactly like frozen. So Everest summit has one third the air pressure that exists at sea level, which reduces a human's ability to breathe in enough oxygen and also get you drunk faster. If you're ever in a mountainous area. You should really wash it if you're trying to get your lid drank on, because you'll get. Get lit faster.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I. I heard years ago, like, when I first started traveling after my first season of Drag Race, one of the other queens told me on the flight, she was like this back when I drank. I don't drink anymore. But she was like, hey, you experience things, like, at such a heightened level when you, like, reach your cruising altitude, so you should always drink. Drink more before you hit up there. That way you don't have to drink anymore because you're already drunk, and it's going to stay that way. Don't watch bad movies because you're gonna cry harder. Like, this was something that I don't. I don't know what the actual facts behind it, but there were things where I was like, oh, that kind of does make sense, because I used to wait till I got up there to drink, and then I would drink what I usually drink on the ground. And it was hitting me ten times harder.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And then I watched. I watched Coco. I watched Coco on the airplane and

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

bawled like a baby, following the instructions that you were given.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, I was testing the. The hypothesis.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I like that. A scientist.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Okay.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I am a scientist.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

All of a sudden, Ginger. She's in a white trench coat. Where it came from. I don't know where it came from, but I love it. Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

My hair in a messy bun. With pencils.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

With so many pencils. Because that's how you know you're doing science. It's like, you really need to reach for the pencil so fast.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Science.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So people cannot survive indefinitely above 19,000ft. So you have a limited amount of time before your organization organs stop working and you die. You know when you're doing, like, a hobby and it's like, we gotta hurry up before our organs stop working and we die?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I don't think I've ever had that conversation. But now it will be at the forefront of my mind.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

It's Gonna be so much fun. Well, we gotta hurry up though, y'. All. Cause otherwise kidney failure. Okay, we good. Jess said maybe you shouldn't do shows up there. Ginger. I don't know. I feel like if Mount Everest wanted

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

you, well, maybe just like a pop up number, a hot spot, like a

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

helicopter, like for tips.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, girl, I could do the whole Diana Ross when she came down in the helicopter. Yes, but then just keep going all the way down.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Never. Yeah, never. Never stop.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Don't stop.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

It's a cameo.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Can't stop, can't stop. Won't stop.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Uh, yes. Since a Nepalese Indian climbing guide and an English mountaineer first got to the top of Everest 70 years ago, more than 300 people have died on the mountain. And more than 200 of their bodies are still up there, frozen in time. I mean, we all know about Green Boots, the landmark Green Boots. There's also Sleeping Beauty. There's some other ones I've heard of. But like, what's wild to me is like, I don't want to go anywhere where a mile marker is a dead man's shoes.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no, I don't.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Well, there's a dead man's shoes. That means we're on the right track. And I don't. I think we on the wrong track.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Exactly. I mean, you see how it worked out for them, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

For Green Boots, For Sleeping Beauty. Like, please. So, and Green Boots has been lying at the top of the north face for almost 30 years because it's too dangerous to bring Green boots down. Which is really sad. But, like, people show Green Boots a lot of respect when they're climbing the mountain and stuff. I think the most respect would be just not climbing the mountain. But here we are.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, I heed the warning.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

The only reason I know what North Face is is because of the clothing brand.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Same. I never even knew it was a reference to a side of a mountain, didn't I?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I didn't either. I had no clue. But look, we're learning everything.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

We are learning. It just sounded very, like, outdoorsy. So I was like, yeah, the North Face. I like, like a. Like a. A compass.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, oh, sure, yeah, we'll go with compass.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, that's where I was going.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

But clearly I just thought, like, maybe like when you walk out and you don't have a compass, you just turn your face until the sun hits it and you're like, we'll walk that way because you walk into the light. But now that I think about that and like, maybe these people did walk into the light. And that's why they are now mile markers. Oh, no, girl.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

That was a really whimsical way of thinking of it, though, Ginger, though. Like, I thought it just turned your face to the light and that was

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

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[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, don't. Don't ever follow me anywhere except on the Internet, because I won't probably lead us into peril.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Same, same. I just walk really fast, and then people think I know where I'm going, but I don't. My mom always just said, move with purpose. Never be walking around like you don't know where you're going. So I'll be lost. But just walking, like, real determined.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh. I've lived in Orlando for most of my life now. Probably almost 30 years I've been in Orlando, and I can still get lost. We, in all fairness, they change our highways every single day because it's been this construction pro project that they've been under since I moved here. But there's so many days that I will just keep driving around and the people in my car are like, do you know where we're going? You said you lived 15 minutes from the airport. I'm like, yeah, I'm just. I'm showing you the town. I'm just. I'm showing you all the beautiful things that we have to offer here. They're like, really? Because we've passed that 71115 times.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Well, I really want you to appreciate it.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. It is the. Then you just make up facts like, that is the world's largest 711 with the oldest Slurpee that ever existed.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And one time Reba went there. So.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. And it was today. And we're going to meet her.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, it was today. I love this ginger. Just take the Andy up even more.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Just go. Just keep going.

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

It costs between, like, $50,000 and $80,000 to climb Everest. So, you know, we're all doing it. We're taking our spirit flag flights to Nepal, and then we hopping on Everest like everybody else. So the. The Sherpas, they get paid around $4,000 per climbing season, plus tips and bonuses if they make it to the top. And if you get stuck and need a rescue, it'll cost you the climber. Right? So $4,000 per climbing season. To risk your life as a Sherpa, to take privilege. Pushed people up a mountain that they have no business climbing, where you carry all their stuff and clean up after them and help them do everything. You get 4,000. It costs 50 to $40,000 to do it, and you're giving them 4,000 a season? That's not even a climb.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, that's egregious. That's really bad.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I'm kind of on the Sherpa side now. I'm kind of on the tour guide side. Cause y' all ripping these people off my life every time I climb. No.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Mm. Especially since you are solely responsible for these people who do not have the qualifications to even start this climb.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right? Like, if they're lucky, they'll be able to successfully do this once and successfully get down. You've been running up this bitch every day like. Like, it's like the grocery store. Like, I gotta get some coffee. Let me climb Everest real quick. Like, it's on the other side of Everest. No, it's fast. If I just climb over Everest and then get the coffee like. Like you have.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It's on the South Face.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, it's on the South Face. So y' all ain't been to South Face Coffee. Oh, it's good as hell.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, so good. It's so good.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I'll be back in an hour. But, like, these people might do this once and not die. Please. If your life is in my hands,

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

it should be worth a little bit more to you than $4,000 for the season.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

This is like, if you're really cheap when you hire babysitters. I've never understood that. Those are your kids. You can't be running too much discount on who watches your kids.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no, I mean, just my fur babies. Just my. My dogs. It's a vetting process.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And if your price is too low, I don't trust you.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Because why?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

From the jump. Just because, like, why. Why are you undercutting everybody else? Why do you want this? Like, I understand you're trying to build your business, but if this is the going rate for something and you are so severely under that, what's wrong with you?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yes. Giving too good to be true.

[Apple Card Announcer]

It is.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And I am one of those too good to be true people, for sure. Like, I always try to see the glasses half full, but so many times somebody's picked that up and dumped it out right in front of me.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right. And that's how you scam. Not they dumped it out. That's how you keep from getting scammed. So I'm with you, Ginger. So helicopter rescues. For flying a rescue helicopter into thin air and dangerous weather, it's, you know, very difficult, which is why it can cost from 5,000 to $10,000, depending on where you are. So if you're on the north face, on the south face, we don't know.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

At the coffee shop.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

At the coffee shop. So that's why you need travel insurance. Depending on which insurance company use and how much coverage you want, that could be between $70 and $15,000. I feel like I'm not going to go with the $70 life insurance for Mount Everest. Everest feels low.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, no. The only thing they're preserving at that point are your shoes.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right? It's giving remains. It's not given. I'm gonna come down. So about a thousand people attempt to get to the top of Everest. And nearly a hundred thousand visitors travel to the Everest region for hiking each year. So they go just to, like, hang out, but they're not really trying to do the real thing. So, like, 100,000 people go slide and take some pictures. And then a thousand people are like, we're climbing up this.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And, like, Everest has a rule, too. Like, you can't, like. I guess you can always lie and say you climbed Everest, but apparently you're supposed to, like, get up there, take a picture. Like, you have to do all this stuff for them to officially recognize that you climbed it. Because people would, like, not make it all the way or, you know, probably be hanging out at the summit. And they were like, yeah, I climbed Everest.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I mean, there are rules in place when you do eating challenges at restaurants. Like, if you want that yeah. If you want that free T shirt, then you definitely have to show people that you ate 5 pounds of food in 25 minutes before you get your picture taken and put on the wall. Like, there are are little things that for something a little less dangerous as climbing Mount Everest.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right. They were like, there will be no stolen valor at. No. Like, you can eat rib joint it

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

if you make it to the top of Mount Everest. I would think you would want the picture anyway, right?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah. So I ain't gonna trust nobody that said that they did it and then didn't show a picture.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

That's true. See, like, Pixar.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It didn't happen.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Pixar didn't happen. But also, like, give me a. Give me a good Photoshop. We could really devalue going to Everest if we all just started posting that we were there.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Hashtag I climbed Everest. Let's do that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Hashtag Everest, so easy.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Everest, so easy. Stop at the coffee shop on the south face.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Me and all my homegirls be going to Everest.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Girls trip.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Girls trap. Girls trip to Everest. Yeah. We ain't ever coming back. That's worse than the Miami ones. So mountaineering generates a significant source of revenue for Nepal, which is home to eight of the 10 tallest peaks in the world. So Nepal got all the mountains, and climate fees bring in more than $5 million per year. And so a bunch of foreign tourists with money to burn arrive in, like, harsh, unforgiving landscapes they've never been to before. And they're a pretty good target for a scam. Yeah, I would say so.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So it turns out Everest hiking guides have been triggering those expensive helicopter rescues when they're not necessary, either by giving the tourists an upset stomach on purpose or by faking the rescue altogether. So the ones who are given the upset stomach. I feel like you're getting a little risky here.

[Medical Advertisement Announcer]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like, maybe, like. Cause, you know, remember, we don't got a lot of time before our organs shut down. I feel like messing with somebody's organs to get them on a helicopter is a little too sketchy for me. But the people who just completely staged it. Oh, I'm on y' all side. You're like, no, you not making it. We need a rescue. They're like, no, I feel good. I feel like we can still do this. No, no, no.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

You're doing exactly. Oh, you look peeking to me right now. I can see three. Oh. Oh, you're so tricky.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, your skin is getting that Everest blue. Yeah, we gotta get you out. If you just gaslight the people into getting on the helicopter. I think that's amazing. Poisoning them a little too risky for me.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

That is a little too risky. Especially since, like, just from a sanitary aspect, I'm going to assume there are not bathrooms up and down the side of the mountain. Mountain.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

No. You gotta take your bathroom bucket with you and you gotta take it back down. All your poops.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

That's the other thing.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

What is glamorous about this? I'm walking around with all my poops

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

on me in a bucket. No, none of that sounds good. Like, not that I was on the fence about doing this in the first place, but I genuinely don't see the appeal in it other than simply for bragging rights at that point. Point. But there's so many other things you can do in this world to get fabulous bragging rights that you don't have to, like, girl, go eat the five pounds of food in 45 minutes and

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I will treat that just like Everest. Like, this is. Don't. Like, you can just be just as insufferable at dinner parties.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Exactly. Well, even more, and you'll probably still end up with the bathroom issues with the upset stomach before your organs shut down.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

My producer just. Just called them ego trips. Yeah. I think that's what they are. Like, you gotta. You gotta go on an egomaniac vacation. Like, what's wrong with you?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

So I have. My whole life, I've been obsessed with Titanic, like, outside of wizard of Oz stuff. I've. I won't say I've loved the story of the Titanic, but I'm fascinated by it. And then with the Titan submersible and everything that happened with that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, no, I was all over that. Stop the grush.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Scammer.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It feels very. Yeah, it feels a lot like this in the sense that, like, you're going somewhere where you're not really supposed to be. You're not built to go there. And it feels like, you know, with the people that have been lost on Everest on their way up and you can still see them in their boots and all that kind of stuff, it feels a lot of the same. Going the opposite way under the ocean for the Titanic stuff. Like, it just bothers me from a human aspect, like, why do you find you can appreciate something so much and have reverence and respect for it, but what do you get out of trudging along those same footsteps, doing the same things and expecting a different outcome? Do you think you're smarter? Do you think you're better? I think it's disrespectful.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah. I absolutely agree. And I think that is the ego of it all.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, I know that I'm gonna be better than this person or I can achieve this thing. I think that's why we all keep reaching for new heights in certain arenas, because it's like, oh, no, we'll be able to do it. Me personally, I don't really enjoy how much they try to send people out to outer space. We have so much. I know there's some technological developments with satellites and things like that that work for us here down on Earth, but

[Sponsor Announcer]

a lot of things.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Times these be vanity trips to the stratosphere. And I'm like, I don't really.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Do not take astronaut Katy Perry's name in vain.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Astronaut Katy Perry is crazy.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

It is for her what it was nine minutes in space or whatever it

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

was right in the stratosphere.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

In the stratosphere. I like what. But what did we get from that? Like, what was the point of that other than for the rest of the world to now forever call her astronaut Katy Perry?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Right? It's giving. Jeff Bezos has really just been giving money laundering these days. I'm like the Melania movie. The like, hey, y' all want to go to space real quick for five minutes? And we'll spend, like, hundreds of millions of dollars like Bezos. What cartel are you involved with? Because it's given the money, it's gotten too large, and you got to get rid of it any way you can anyway.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I mean, I've got. He could just send some over here.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You could just start sending it out to us if you wanted to. You didn't have to, like, buy the whole Met Gala this year. You could have just floated some of it to us. I would. I give you an invoice, Jeff. I got hella invoices for you.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Exactly. Or just reimburse some of the things that I've had to purchase off of Amazon over the years.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

What about $3 million? And I shiny a cue ball head, I give it a good shine up, right? Okay, we can write that off. So, Sherpa insurance fraud. Speaking of fraud, multiple operators and managers from rescue companies were arrested for this insurance fraud scheme in January. The guides use different strategies to trigger helicopter evacuations, including faking medical emergencies, spiking the food with large amounts of baking powder, which upsets your stomach. Stomach. In a similar way to altitude sickness. Oh, no. Don't tell the witches that. It's not a recommendation out there, y'.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

All.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

But baking powder isn't toxic when used in cooking or baking. But it does contain sodium bicarbonate and acid. And if you dump a large amount in your food, it will cause, like, an overdose. The symptoms are thirst, abdominal pain, severe vomiting, and diarrhea. So the main symptoms of altitude sickness are also. So vomiting, nausea, headache can be diarrhea. So it was easy to have a baking powder overdose and say, that's Everest for you. Got to call that helicopter now, Mr. Warbucks. Which, like, okay, at least it was something that's not like, super poisonous, this baking powder. Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

And in my head, when you first brought it up, I thought it was going to be like the whole Ex Lax movie move.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Where there's something. I mean, I feel like that's probably a little more dangerous. Even though I look like one. I am not a scientist. I took my hair down, got rid of the pencils.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Where are the pencils?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

They're back in the jar. But like, even though I'm not a scientist, I would kind of think that if you're like, literally like your brains out on the side of a mountain, it's probably going to dehydrate you and be a little lot worse for your inner organs than what you get from the baking powder.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, I agree with you. And I mean, other hikers were given, like, medications with excess amounts of water to trigger symptoms. Some truckers even got sick due to eating uncooked chicken or rat droppings. Oh, okay, now why y' all putting rat poo poo up in. In the. In rat poo poo Re. No, no. Okay, Sherpas. I'm. I'll end with the theatrical Sherpa who was just like, you're dying. We gotta go. Yeah.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I mean, I love. I love a good performance. I love the. All the dramatics. So I will go. I will give you that one. Like, that's fine.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You are a performance is fine. But the poisoning, I can't stand by.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I know.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So you know, once a rescue was triggered because they're having these symptoms, helicopter operators inflated costs by billing each passenger as if they had taken a separate helicopter flight. So even when multiple people were picked up along the same route, like an Uber ride share. Y' all remember Uber pool?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Uh huh.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Helicopter pool is crazy on Everest.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Well, now, you see, they're trying to do the helicopter Ubers in New York City, right? Yeah, They've been doing that to get people back and forth to the airport. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I just don't feel. Yeah, no, I don't need Shaheed coming to pick me up on My rooftop to get to. I'm good to get to jfk. I'm actually fine.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah, I. I enjoy that ride from Manhattan into the. Either of the. The airports. It's a good time for reflection.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

It is. And I'm just like, too scared to get in a helicopter. I just don't think it's like a necessary place.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Too loud. It is way too loud.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Too loud. And just like, the, the risks of like, you don't hear about many people landing safely in a helicopter. Like airplanes, they can sometimes they can land upside down. You can walk your ass out of that. Like, I actually read about the slide and the extra row because I was like, okay, I know how to use the slide now because maybe we might slide off helicopter. They're like, we go down. This is just over. So I don't know.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I feel like too, like if you land upside down in a helicopter, then the, like the propellers keep going. You just keep spinning around. That's how you get really sick.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You break dancing girl.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I don't know, I feel like you. Especially if you were already poisoned on the side of the mountain and you're already nauseous and sick, and then to have that happen, you just keep spinning. You keep getting sicker and sicker.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah. Having diarrhea in a helicopter sounds just terrible.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Especially one that's spinning around very quickly or nausea.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, my goodness. I thought sitting in the back of a car was rough sometimes. So guides used to also, they would let the climbers in on the scam. They'd be like, look, if you want to just fake a illness, then you don't have to walk back down. So like, we could climb up. Woohoo. And nobody's ever like, I climbed down Everest. Nobody really cares about that.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

So that's true.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, Just tell them you got a poop and your head hurts and we'll get you a little helicopter.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Don't worry, my bucket's full.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

My buckets fooled them dying. So let's see what's gonna happen to these people. Other times, guys overstated the effects of mild cases of attitude altitude sickness and recommended evacuation. So that's our. That's our theatrical person that we like. Like somebody, you know, maybe like sneezes and they're like, altitude sickness. They dying. Be like, no, no, no, I'm fine. I just sneeze. That's the first sign, you know, it's the first time, right, Sherpa Dave? Yeah, that's the first time. We gotta get your ass in the sky. I love that guy. I Love. I love whoever that is. And so the mountain scammers used fake flight records and forged medical documents to support exaggerated insurance claims, while hospitals created false admission and treatment reports. In some cases, there were insurance claims for tourists who were not actually receiving care. So sometimes if you had good insurance, they would just be like, okay, we're gonna run it up on you. The hospital got involved. The Sherpas, the helicopter company. I love that.

[Sponsor Announcer]

They're all in lockstep.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

I mean, yeah, they're working together.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

They're working together. And I think that at the end of the day, that's the lesson we can take from this. If we work together, we can achieve anything.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

We can as a country. We need to all come together and work together, and we can take our country together back. Okay.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Will you take our country back?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah. They don't know we're taking it back. I mean, we can start taking it back a little bit at a time. One insurance fraud at a moment. A little bit of baking powder here, a little bit of theatrics there, A

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

little bit of rat poop here and there.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like McDonald's. Do us a favor. Come on. Just a little bit of rat poop.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Just a little bit.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You know, you could get to him. You're our only hope. We're not even asking for a lot of rat poo.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, just a. Just a speckle.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So. Almost 5,000 international climbers were targeted in this scheme between 2022 and 2025. Police in Nepal said that more than 300 cases of alleged fake rescues have been uncovered. About $20 million was charged to insurance companies and sometimes to climbers themselves. I mean, 20 mil in three years. I think you gotta give up your Sherpa career. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna keep going at that point.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, but I've also, like, I've been that type of person where, like, I didn't come from money, so I've never really had it or held onto it very. You know what I mean? Like, so I don't know. I would just wanna keep working. So if it's a passion, I guess keep going for it. But. But no, if you hate doing it.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Passion it.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I say if it's a passion, then go for it. But if you are tired of climbing up and down that mountain, lugging people in their poop buckets that you have no desire to be around, then, yeah, like, take the payout and go do something else.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Open that coffee shop, because you're gonna get caught eventually. You're also scamming some of the most entitled people in the world who are usually also the cheapest.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

The scammers. Right, they're usually the scammers.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You're scamming the scammers. So you think they're not gonna notice at some point what you did. So police charged operators and staff from three helicopter companies, Mountain Helicopters, Manhang Air and Altitude Air. That's very clear to me where we're going. The sky. They also charged physicians and administrators from international hospitals, three international hospitals. And in some cases, investigators use CCTV footage from the hospital named in the insurance claims to find patients who are said to be getting receiving treatments and critical care. So they use their cameras because they're like, we don't see them come in or out. What do you mean? They had open hearts bypass. What are you talking about?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, it was, it was imminent. We had to do it in the helicopter.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, that's why you ain't see it happen, because it happened in the helicopter

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

and then we just dropped them off at home.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, yeah, because it was actually good. By the time we was landed, we just, just brought it back to their hotel.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So more than 30 people have been charged and 11 have been arrested so far. Several of those charged were arrested, like, who are not arrested are likely like to flee the country or who have already fled the country. So if you weren't arrested or charged, you already got the fuck ASAP at a dodge. Personally, I feel like Nepal, it's very performative of you to go try to arrest these people. I'm sure y' all knew this scam was going on, but they don't want to ruin their tourism. But the only reason why I don't think this would ruin any of their tourism is that the main part of this tourism is walking up a mountain with hella dead people on it. Do you think anything discourages these people?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

No, like literally death does not. So at that point it's like everything else is just a stepping stone to that.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Like they might get robbed a little bit. Oo, I'm literally climbing to my death. I don't care.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

That's the thing. Like you can't take it with you, so you might as well put it all out on the table if, if you're literally walking towards what could be your death, your demise. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

And this has been going on for a long time. Similar scams were reported in 2018 which prompted this whole wide reaching government thing, which to me, like, like I just said, I don't care. Cuz y' all going to death march so you're good.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So travel insurance companies, they have reviewed the possibility of suspending coverage for trips to nepal after the 2018 report. So now they will almost certainly take a closer look at removing the country from their insurance plans. Or at the very least, insurance premiums are going go up. So everyone's mountain insurance is going to skyrocket. Thanks, Sherpas.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh, goodness. I'm going to have to go to rei. Return everything.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Return everything. I'm going to North Face.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Return everything. Indignantly.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Amen. I'mma go to North Face, and I'mma give all my back. And then I'm going to go to Sheen and give me some of that South Face. Okay?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Exactly.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Why won't anyone think of the rich people and the insurance companies that we love? Oh, my goodness, Ginger. So what do you think of this scam? Where would you rate it?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Where would I rate it? Do you love it?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Do you hate it? Is it? Is it? Is the scheme? Is it?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Obviously, you know, I love it. I love it simply because these people who are putting their lives on the line for these other people to fulfill whatever weird kink or dream or whatever they have have been so undervalued. I mean, this is typically how it is, right? It's always the people who have the most to offer that get paid the least, whether that's attention or monetarily or sometimes both. And I think that it's great that the Sherpas are like, you know what? This ain't paying the bills anymore. We are busting our ass for these people, so we need to start getting. Getting what we deserve. And it's. It's almost like a. Like a revolution or a mutiny or something. It's like, I am going to get it by hook or by crook, because I deserve it.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

So literally, by hook or by crook.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Cause they cover. Yes, I. I'm here for it. And I am on the side of the Sherpas with this.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yes, I am on the. I'm on the side of the Sherpas, too. Like, I mean, I. I liked the poisoning ones. I didn't like as much. Clearly, they didn't kill anybody. They didn't kill anybody, though. You know, smile, discomfort. But the theatrical ones, I'm really behind all the way.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I've been known to give people diarrhea from here to there from time to time.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Who hasn't? Exactly? Oh, my goodness. Well, Ginger, we always ask at the end of the show. Well, one, thank you so much for being here. I'm so glad that we got to do this.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Thanks for having me. This has been fun.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yes, I'm glad. Ask Ginger. Where would you like to be found? Social medias, projects. We know you got a lot of projects.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

A lot of projects. Yes.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Where would you like to be found?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I would like to be found anywhere that I am. You can find me across all social platforms. It's either he, Ginger Minj, or at Gingerminj. Of course. We have the movie coming out, Stop that train, starring RuPaul Jujubee and myself. And then Jujubee and I are like, like together for this entire year. We're doing a wicked parody show called Licked, which is all about the lesbian aspect of Glinda and Elphaba's relationship. All set to the music of Ariana Grande. Love. So that will be in Atlanta in June and in Provincetown all of July. Then right after that, we kick off our Hocus Pocus live tour.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yes. Okay.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

I'm. Should you be myself and Sapphira?

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, I gotta get at the Hocus Pocus life tour. I love Hocus Pocus.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

You have to.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

You have to.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

You have to. I love it too. It's. I. I literally sip from it all the time.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Love.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Love you. If we are anywhere near you, you just let us know.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Oh, I'll be stopping you because I. I got, I guess to get up in there and see the Sanderson sisters. That is just.

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

You got to a dream.

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

As always. You guys can find all the photos of Mount Everest, I guess, on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And if you want to email the show and give us a little listener letter, we're going to have more of those coming back. Scam goddess [e-mail]. and then if you want to follow me. D I B A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. If you don't watch the television show Scam Goddess, you can watch all of the episodes now on Hulu. You can watch it on first two seasons of Going Dutch. Also on Hulu. You can get my book anywhere the books are sold. It's also called Scam Goddess. We keep the brand pretty strong here. Congregation, I want y' all to get

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Keep the spirit of the scheme alive, okay? Spirit may have gone to the sky, but they can still be scamming in our hearts. Yeah. Yeah. Scam Goddess.

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Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by

[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

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Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle.

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Hey everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date?

[Ginger Minj (Drag Queen, Guest)]

Oh no.

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[Lacy Mosley (Scam Goddess Host)]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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