Potomac’s Most Dramatic Break-In…Allegedly w/ Phoebe Robinson

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Potomac’s Most Dramatic Break-In…Allegedly
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Phoebe Robinson
Release Date: December 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and hilarious episode of Scam Goddess, Laci Mosley is joined by comedian, author, and actress Phoebe Robinson for her debut appearance on the show. Together, they break down the recent alleged insurance fraud scandal involving Real Housewives of Potomac star Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband Eddie. The pair discuss the pressures of status, the pitfalls of reality TV fame, and the stunningly sloppy execution of the reported crime, all while serving up sharp social commentary and signature humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Comedy Hustle Scams

• Both Laci and Phoebe reminisce on "scamming" their way into the comedy business: Starting out as stand-ups, the guests recall the practice of "barking" (convincing passersby with tall tales about famous comedians showing up) to fill seats at comedy shows.

  • Phoebe on lying to the audience:

    “We would be like, oh, Jerry Seinfeld is gonna perform tonight. Chris Rock. Every night.” (04:07)

  • Laci on tricking friends into attending:

    “I got enough friends in New York. I'mma just trick them into coming into the show.” (04:34)

• Status and Appearance in Comedy and Beyond:
  Laci and Phoebe talk about the pressure on women, especially Black women, to code-switch in standup—dressing down to be taken seriously, then later embracing their authentic selves.

  • Phoebe on her old comedy attire:

    “I used to wear like, vests… I need to wear a vest to cover my chest.” (06:59)

  • Laci:

    “Now I dress like a hoochie ho on stage… these jokes still gonna hit.” (06:31)

The Main Scam: Wendy & Eddie Osefo's Alleged Fake Burglary

[Start: 14:49]

• Breaking Down the News:
  Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband Eddie, both highly educated and visible thanks to TV and professional accolades, were arrested for allegedly staging a burglary at their Maryland home to make a $450,000 insurance claim while vacationing in Jamaica.

• Cultural & Status Pressures:
  The hosts discuss why educated, successful people would risk everything for an insurance scam:

  • The pressure to keep up with both the Real Housewives’ standards of opulence and family/community expectations, especially as immigrants and minorities.
  • Laci on the pressure of TV fame for Black women:

    “As soon as you get on tv… all the people in your family, in your life are, like, expecting you to flaunt that. You fall into it because you’re playing a role at this point.” (32:10)

  • Phoebe:

    “She got a little lost in the sauce… She really did stray away from who she was initially.” (35:31)

Execution Fumbles and Investigation Lowlights

[Police findings: Approx. 53:29]

• Sloppiness of the Alleged Scam:

  • Security footage and motion detection failed to corroborate a break-in.

  • No physical evidence—no dirt or footprints—at the supposed point of entry.

  • Returned luxury goods were claimed as stolen.

  • Wendy was photographed wearing supposedly "stolen" jewelry on the red carpet.

  • Phoebe (on the stupidity of the details):

    “The more I hear these details… I’m now mad defending her intelligence because this is stupid as fuck.” (55:41)

  • Laci (quotable reaction):

    “You could have employed a cousin to do this!” (54:55) “You got too many degrees to be this goddamn dumb.” (67:41)

• Academic Fallout:
  Rutgers and Johns Hopkins removed references to Wendy, erasing formerly glowing bios and honors after her arrest.

  • Laci notes:

    “404 is crazy. I pray to God my university don’t ever do that to me. God damn. She still got the degrees.” (23:16)

  • Phoebe’s take:

    “They bury the bodies, girl. They bury the bodies. Throw away the shovel, girl.” (23:16)

• Community Reaction & Neighborhood Watch
  Local neighbors immediately suspected the incident as an insurance fraud, feeding information to social media and other Housewives podcasters.

  • Phoebe:

    “White people love being in Black people’s business 100%.” (64:50)

  • Laci:

    “You had all the ops against you and did the worst possible plan.” (66:57)

Crime, Class, and the Housewife-Scammer Phenomenon

[Throughout]

• Status games in America—Materialism and education both serve as ways to distinguish oneself, but may tempt people into fraudulent acts to maintain appearances.

• The recurring pattern of Housewives stars getting caught for fraud (Erika Jayne, Jen Shah, etc.), and how Bravo notoriety seems to invite financial, legal scandal.

• Laci breaks it down:

  “In our world of, like, creating something out of nothing, there’s tons of scams. Any industry where there’s not a set pathway… that’s where the scammers cre[ep].” (08:46)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 06:31 | Laci | “Now I dress like a hoochie ho on stage…these jokes still gonna hit.” | | 14:53 | Laci | “Real Housewives of Potomac star Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband have been arrested for faking burglary at their own house.” | | 18:12 | Laci | “You’re on television. Why would you do crime when you’re so visible you’re gonna get caught?” | | 20:53 | Phoebe | “Everyone tries to act like they’re better than each other. And it’s like, bitch, y’all are all on the same call sheet…If you are better, you wouldn’t be on the show.” | | 55:41 | Phoebe | “I’m now mad defending her intelligence because this is stupid as fuck.” | | 62:32 | Phoebe | “They have 12 degrees between the two. I was about to say that…if this is not a lesson…to not do crime. If you have one degree, you’re really going to be fucked.” | | 67:41 | Laci | “You got too many degrees to be this goddamn dumb…So disappointing.” | | 52:12 | Laci | “Mistakes can be deliberate.” | | 64:10 | Laci | “You living in this white neighborhood. You think the neighborhood watch wasn’t watching your house? That’s their whole job.” |

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 03:51 — Phoebe’s early encounters with “comedy scams” (barking, bringer shows)
• 06:31 — Laci and Phoebe on “scamming” their appearance in comedy
• 14:49 — Introduction to the Wendy Osefo insurance fraud story
• 17:56 — Debating the rationale and pressure that might have motivated the crime
• 23:16 — The fallout: universities and institutions erase Wendy
• 35:31–38:37 — Discussion on status and materialism in America; the “American Dream” trap for minorities
• 53:29 — Police discover inconsistencies in the Osefo break-in
• 55:41 — “Stolen” jewelry reappears in public; Phoebe’s reaction
• 64:10 — Neighborhood suspicion and the perils of being a visible Black family in affluent white neighborhoods
• 67:41 — Laci’s verdict: too many degrees, not enough crime smarts

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Closing Thoughts

The episode wraps with Laci and Phoebe lamenting the Osefos’ “boneheaded” moves and expressing a real, if exasperated, empathy for their situation. The discussion is full of laughter but also thoughtful analysis of how race, class, and TV fame can push people into making disastrous choices. They agree: this crime was not only wrong, but insultingly sloppy—an object lesson for the Con-gregation.

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Where to Find the Hosts

• Phoebe Robinson:
  • Social: @dopequeenpheebs
  • Special: I Don’t Want to Work Anymore (YouTube)
  • Author: You Can’t Touch My Hair and Other Things I Have to Explain
• Laci Mosley:
  • Social: @divalaci
  • TV: Scam Goddess (Hulu & Freeform)
  • Podcast: Scam Goddess (all platforms)

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode maintains the Scam Goddess blend of sharp-eyed social critique and raucous, inclusive Black comedy. Laci and Phoebe make the case that education and visibility are no shield against the temptations—and perils—of trying to short-circuit the system. As always, the lesson is: if you’re going to scam, at least be smart about it. Or better yet, stay schemin’… legally.

Transcript

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Scams C Robbery and Frauds.

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Robbery and Frauds.

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Scam Goddess. What's poppin? Congregation, it's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, host of the comedy podcast All About Robbery, Fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will see along the way. As you all know, I am very.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yes, Excited, elated, thrilled. My guest today is an actress, producer, writer, publisher, and standup comedian. And I bet you've seen or listened to to two dope queens. Of course, everything is trash and what men want. But wait, okay, hold on. Did I mention that she's a New York Times bestseller for her book, you Can't Touch My Hair and Other Things I Still have to Explain. Period. I'mma say that again. You Can't Touch My Hair and Other Things I have to Explain. Bestseller, New York Times. Her comedy special, I Don't Want to Work Anymore, Period. A Vibe is available now on YouTube. Congregation, please welcome our first time visitor to the church. But I know she's gonna end up being a deaconess who does the morning announcements. Phoebe Robinson to the show. Phoebe, how are you? Thank You.

[B]

I really do get to hope. I. I really hope that I do get to do the announcements. That would fill my heart so.

[A]

Well. Yes. I'm trying to get you some white gloves. I want you to be involved, period. Like, so excited to talk with you. So excited to see you. Um, I mean, in this podcast, always ask first. I say we. To try to get myself away from accountability.

[B]

It's the royal we. We love a royal we.

[A]

Cuz it's really just me. But I be like, we did that. So if y' all mad, it was the we of us. It wasn't me. It was we. Is that working? I hope it is. That's my scam. We did that. I know Rich and Jessica are like, bitch, we are not a part of who is we. Like Uncle Phil, we. But we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? You could love them, you could hate them. There could be a popular scam that's happening. Something that happened to you, something you did that's past the statute of limitations. Knock on wood. We don't want the F to be an eye pulling up on you. Anything.

[B]

Yeah, you know, scams. There are good scams, there are bad scams. I will say I'm a standup comic. I've been doing it since 2008. And when you start out, you start your own shows. And they call it barking. Where you stand on the street, you pass out flyers.

[A]

And then bringer shows.

[B]

Yes, it would be bark for the bringer shows. And then we would be like, oh, Jerry Seinfeld is gonna perform tonight. Chris Rock. Every night. It was Jerry Seinfeld. It was Chris Rock. Oh, Whoopi Goldberg's gonna drop it. Lying to these innocent people in midtown Manhattan. When it was just all of us with zero experience and maybe three jokes, and we just lied to people and got them in the. In the room. But that's. That was the hustle. How else are you going to get stage time? You had to lie.

[A]

Yeah, you did. I remember standing in Times Square trying to get people to come to my shows. And then finally I just realized, like, I got enough friends in New York. I'mma just trick them into coming into the show.

[B]

Because people don't understand when you start. Like, when I started doing stand up, my parents thought I was doing, like, sold out shows every night at, like, Caroline's. And I was like, nobody's coming to see me. Philip and Octavia. Nobody knows who I am.

[A]

Wait, where are you from?

[B]

I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.

[A]

Oh, Ohio. In the Building. Yes. Listen, whenever you move out of a small state into a much larger populous state, all your family members, I know you noticed, they be like, oh, you big time.

[B]

You Hollywood.

[A]

Like, oh, you in. You in New York. Like, no, bro, it doesn't. Yeah, concrete juggle where things are made of. But like, hold on. We're not there yet.

[B]

We're not there. It's just rats and bringer shows at like 6pm on a Saturday. Like, that's like, what it was. And the thing that's so crazy about standup, and I was talking about this with another comic, is like, there. It's almost like no other profession. Cause it takes so long to get good at it. So it's like, I'm gonna pursue standup. It's gonna take me about a good eight years to get really good at it. And people are like, good for you. Stick with that. But if it's like, if you did, like, another profession, like, I'm going to be a math teacher. And it's going to take me eight years to understand, like, how to teach basic math. People would be like, are you fucking dumb?

[A]

I mean, if you get your master's. The thing is, is that we don't have categories like the rest of these motherfuckers do. Like, we are doctors in comedy. Okay? We got our doctorates because we went to comedy school.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

Which is likely a Ponzi scheme scam, but it works out if you're. Yeah, but, like, that's what we did.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just stand up in New York and I remember I used to wear turtlenecks and shit. Because they'd be like, oh, you're so pretty. You can't be funny. And I'll be like, okay, well, let me be serious. Like Steve Jobs and wear a black turtleneck. And then now I dress like a hoochie ho on stage. So I'm like, you can be distracted by this body. Cause, baby, these jokes still gonna hit. But it is like, it's all time.

[B]

Yeah, you gotta fit in. I used to wear, like, vests. That was. I already. Like, what was so funny?

[A]

Is Phoebe, you a scammer? Why you wearing a vest? Let me tell you.

[B]

I'm a 36. I'm a 36. A. Which just means Y back, no titties. Right? But I was like, I need to wear a vest to cover my chest cover.

[A]

What, bitch? You don't have anything now you got some up there to look at. I'm seeing it right now.

[B]

But I was like. And I buzzed my Hair short. I never wore makeup.

[A]

I was like, I want.

[B]

Take me seriously. And it's just like, you have to get out of that. You just go, I'm just gonna be myself, and people are gonna love me for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the same motherfuckers who used to be like, oh, well, you're pretty. You better be funny, are in my DMs now. Like, congratulations on all your success. Like, are you serious? Like, y' all weird asses. Like, it's. It's complicated. Especially if you're a gorgeous woman. Like, you are in comedy being funny. Like, they're like, wait, you pretty and funny? Like, I mean, I honestly think that's why incels, like, hate. Well, they obviously hate women, but, like, hate women in any performative aspect where, whether it be comedy, whether it be acting, whether it be sex work. They're like, it would be easier if I was pretty with some Percy titties in the booty. And it's like, no, you still have to be good. We have to be better than you.

[B]

I know.

[A]

What are you talking about?

[B]

The big scam is that men, like, society is sold men this idea that none of them are ever mediocre, so they all think they're exemplary. And so they feel like, oh, if a woman or a person of color, a gay person's in this space, it must be a handout. It's like, you weren't good enough. That's why you didn't get the job. Todd, you fucking suck, dawg.

[A]

Cause capitalism really be beating racism's ass. Cause it's like, well, we got this very efficient negro who wants to keep their job and is overqualified. We are gonna pay them less and gaslight them every day, but we gon hire them before you because they beat you out. Like, we. We aren't getting any handouts. But honestly, like, especially in our world of, like, creating something out of nothing, there's tons of scams. I think any industry where there's not a set pathway, like, if you're going to become a doctor, you know, like, you go to school, you major in biology or whatever, and then you go to med school, and then you do your residency, there's like a clear path. But other careers is not that path. And that's where the scammers cre. And they're like, do you want to take head shots?

[B]

Oh, my God, the headshots. And they always have you holding a microphone and going, I don't know. It's just like, oh, it's absolute hell. It's absolute hell child.

[A]

I was in New York changing behind dumpsters and dodging cars on the street because my photographer told me he shot Denzel's daughter one time. And I said, close enough. Other time, I was taking headshots, and I was at a white gay man's apartment, and he was like, sit next to this couch, like, on the floor. And that's where he took my headshots. Still $800. And I was like, yeah, for sure.

[B]

Ooh, yeah, the headshots. The, like, doing free shows. It's great exposure.

[A]

Yeah, we exposing you, girl.

[B]

I'm like, I need to pay my damn rent. Can you give me $30, please?

[A]

No. Tell your landlord that you got exposures for him. Like, tell him he gonna be famous once you make it big. And then he gonna be like, I was her landlord. Like, how? Like, why can't I use exposure to pay other people? Like, they trying to pay me with it. I feel like we should all be involved. Like, I feel like, why does this. The train stop with me?

[B]

Oh, my God. Or credits. So you get like. I remember I did background on like a segment for the Daily show, and it was like, I used to tell everybody I was on the Daily show and that was like my credit. And it was just like, the lies you have to tell in order for people to take you seriously. I was on that Daily Show. I did all of it was non speaking background parts.

[A]

But. But you were there.

[B]

I was there.

[A]

I don't. I don't hear any lies personally.

[B]

I did my own makeup. I was there. I took. I took the 2 train. I was there. Yeah, I did it.

[A]

And so were you not on it. Like, I don't hear any lies detected. Like, period. Okay. It was daily and you were on the show. Like, I don't. I don't hear nothing. Okay, Trevor, know who you are? Like, what are we talking about? Like, let's be serious scams. I take off my bra as soon as I get in my car on the way home. I don't even wait till I get home. I'm at the red light, unstrapping them three little prongs because it hurts. Well, it did until I found out about Adore me. Whether you're looking for a more cleavage or a more comfort look or both, Adore me has you covered. Adormi offers tons of sizes with their new thoughtfully designed bras, panties, lingerie, shapewear, sleepwear, and swimwear for you to choose from each and every month. Elevate your underwear drawer with high quality sets that won't break the bank. What I really love about Adore Me is that they have this like, cloud, like fabric. It's so soft. I don't take it off and have these like, y' all know those little dents that get in your shoulders from the bra? I don't have those anymore because of Adore Me. They are adoring my body and I am adoring it. And with style starting as low as $24.95, you can feel confident even if you're on a budget. Head to adore me.com right now to shop styles from comfort to Sexy in over 67 sizes. It's the season to come together over your holiday favorites at Starbucks. Warm up with a creamy caramel brulee latte, get festive with an iced gingerbread chai, or share a velvety peppermint mocha Together is the best place to be at Starbucks. Happy holidays to you. Happy holidays to you. Don't let overpriced phone bills suck the joy out of you. Right now, all of Mint Mobile's Unlimited plans are 50% off. You can get 3, 6, or 12 months of unlimited premium wireless for 15 bucks a month. I'm telling y'. All. I've told y' all before. I have people in my life who have Mint Mobile and they always have service. I'm hiking. My stuff is down, theirs is up. Bars, bars, bars. Turn your expensive wireless present into a huge wireless savings future by switching to Mint Shop. Mint mobile [e-mail] goddess that's mintmobile.com goddess limited time offer upfront payment of 45 DOL for 3 months, $90 for 6 months or $180 for 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees extra initial plan term only. Over 35 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. Capable device required. Availability, speed and coverage varies. Cement mobile.com Phoebe I'm going to usher us into my favorite part of the show, which is Historic Hoodwinks. I'm going to regale you with a historic hoodwink. We're going to get your opinions all throughout today. That was a lot of we're going to be talking about even more bad news from Washington D.C. as if the old brass Democrats selling us out on the government shutdown wasn't enough. We got more bad news from D.C. so during the government shutdown, brace yourself. Hold on to something.

[B]

I'm gonna hold to my 36A titties right now. Here we go.

[A]

Real Housewives of Potomac star Dr. Wendy Osefo and her husband have been arrested. They were arrested for faking burglary at their own house. They said they were burgled. They're so, like, beautiful black couple goals.

[B]

Like, I was shocked.

[A]

Educated to the T. Cause I'm sorry, black women, y' all gonna catch a straight right now. But y' all know how we be when we start feeling lost in life instead of, like, committing a crime or making a manifesto on Reddit and then shooting up the mall. We go to grad school. We have the most education. So here we are. And Wendy still got her wig on in this mugshot, and I'm proud of her for that. She is smiling in a very strange way that is disturbing me, but I.

[B]

Think that she was like, listen, you're not gonna catch me looking busted, so you're gonna get clear skin. Like, honestly, if I saw this, I was like, you know what? I'll give her a Nivea contract. Her skin looks great also.

[A]

Like, I don't know. She look innocent. Mm. She said, let me get my best innocent face.

[B]

Yes. And then Eddie. Eddie's. He's looking like he's been through it a little bit.

[A]

Eddie's been through it for sure. He's like, I feel like they took his mugshot right before they separated the two. And Wendy was like, you better smile on your mugshot. You know it's gonna be on Bravo. And he was like, okay, okay. And so he got in there and he gave his best, and. And so Wendy is 41, married to Eddie Osefo, who is a lawyer. That's gonna bump me. And we could talk about that later. And recent cannabis entrepreneur. They have three kids and celebrated their 14 year anniversary in August. We love black love. I love the shopping together for 14 years. Your kids are super cute. I love black people getting into cannabis work just because we have been imprisoned for it for so long. Everything here I'm with Zoom in just so I could see this Instagram caption. But what are you feeling so far, Phoebe?

[B]

Honestly, you know, because I watched Potomac from the beginning, and so I was actually really quite shocked. Like, I know that fraud and scamming is sort of like the thing that percolates around the Bravo multiverse. But Wendy has always stood on, like, honesty and truth and keeping her side of the street clean. So when this came out, I act. My jaw did drop where I was like, what? It also just feels like the juice is never worth the squeeze. Like, they always pick these scams where I'm like, what? How Much did you think insurance was going to pay out to you? Like, I just don't understand it. Like, is the cannabis selling? Like, I don't under. Why? Why do this? You have three kids.

[A]

I am all for. I shouldn't say that. I was gonna say I'm all for insurance fraud. Say it.

[B]

Stand in your trunk.

[A]

It's a Ponzi scheme. Insurance is a Ponzi scheme.

[B]

But.

[A]

You'Re on television. Why would you do crime when you're so visible you're gonna get caught? Do you not, like, do you not remember ski masks, shiesties, like, everyday criminals at least know to cover their faces? And you wanna do crime while you are literally broadcasted by Andy. Be for real. Like, be so for real.

[B]

And I also wanna say, like, especially if you're a woman of color in the Bravo multiverse and you're gonna commit a crime, it's not gonna end well for you. Like, you're not gonna be able to spin this. Like, I don't know who you think you are, but you're gonna get taken down.

[A]

You got so many yes people in your corner. Yeah, that's why I keep people who check me around me. Like, people who are funny, people who, like, I'm like, oh, I love this hairstyle. And they look at me and they're like, oh, yes, giving church, lady. And was shade. And they were like, yeah, it was meant to be. We're gonna change it. And I'm like, okay. Like, you gotta people who are honest around you. I don't want to walk out in this world looking crazy, acting crazy. Like, I got multiple checkers who will kick the door down and be like, what are you doing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so Wendy is a political commentator as well, a consultant on issues of equality and access in urban communities, and a former professor at Johns Hopkins, which is ob, obviously one of the best medical schools you can go to. Honestly, probably the best. So this is a flex. She's a doctor. And here's Wendy not bragging about having four degrees, which honestly go off. But what I do think. What I do think is, you know, I am not one to brag about my degrees. Mm. Mm. No bragging. Four degrees and four degrees. I don't need your resume. Oh, okay.

[B]

Oh, Lord.

[A]

How many degrees? Okay, four.

[B]

I'm not stupid. I have four degrees. People like you call me Dr. Wendy.

[A]

Address me correctly, sweetie. Having a PhD, less than 2% of.

[B]

The world has that.

[A]

More people actually have a MD than a PhD.

[B]

So I would go energize women.

[A]

Okay, Karen, Married to a doctor is not a clapback. She is the doctor. Like, that doesn't like, you can marry anybody.

[B]

I'm just also. And this is why I love Potomac, is because everyone tries to act like they're better than each other. And it's like, bitch, y' all are all on the same call sheet. You're all on the same show, all going to the same table at Crafty to get some cheese and some go gurt. Like, you're not better. If you are better than these people, you wouldn't be on the show.

[A]

You wouldn't be here. Now, I do think there is sometimes a little hierarchy, because, I mean, you know, yeah, some people be popping, popping their a little bit more like, who is that lady who is married to the. She was married to the guy who made the Simpsons. They got divorced, and then she just has a ton of money. And she's on Beverly Hills. Oh, yeah, the one with the whisper voice.

[B]

Jennifer Tilly.

[A]

Now, Jennifer Tilly is real rich. She just collects, like, rich dead women's jewelry. I'm like, oh, you are rich. Rich. Like, please show me more. Like, I'm gonna give it to her.

[B]

I know, but she's not getting cast and stuff. That's why she came to the Real Housewives Multiverse, to try to get that little.

[A]

She was bored.

[B]

Yeah, she was bored.

[A]

That Nene boost. Cause Nene actually did make her way to, like, starring in a network television show that didn't work out. It was the bootleg Martin family. But she got there. It kind of opened the doors for influencers.

[B]

I know. I just. I think, what's the windy of it all? What is so infuriating is I'm like, okay, you have these hustles. You have the cannabis. You have. Did she have the three wig? Or was that Karen with the three wick candle business? But all this is to say is that, like, you are doing these things that are on the up and up. Who knows how much money they're making? But I'm like, she could have easily, like, launched a podcast somewhere and, like, gotten endorsements and done all this stuff. I just think this insurance fraud that someone broke in your house, you like. I'm just like, what? I mean.

[A]

But she's also like, once you get rich or even, like, when your income grows.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your expenses also grow. And then you're trying to maintain that lifestyle. So it's almost proportional to when you didn't have as much money. Because most people, when they get more money, don't live, like, they did when they had less. And she's also taking care of her family. She's projecting opulence, and so it's easy to dig yourself into a hole. And. And she was born in Nigeria and moved to North California with her family when she was 3. She has PhD in Public affairs and Community development from Rutgers, but that link is no longer there since her arrest. Now, Rutgers let y' all go play her like that. Page not found is crazy. 404.

[B]

Jersey don't around. Jersey don't around. They bury the bodies, girl. They bury the bodies. Throw away the shovel, girl.

[A]

It says sorry to that lady. We never knew her. 404 is crazy. I pray to God my university don't ever do that to me. Like, God damn. She still got the degrees. She was still successful before she did a little scammy scam. Like, y' all petty as fuck. Y' all removed her from the website.

[B]

I love it. I love it.

[A]

And it's not even like, this page is like, she's being honored for something or it's her face. They were just like, we. She never went here. She don't go here. We. We don't ever even knew about her. Who. Listen to Jersey be serious.

[B]

That Jersey is very serious. They're like, listen, we get enough shit. We do not this at our doorstep. I get it.

[A]

They were like, they be calling us the dumpster of America. The last thing we need is to be associated with your Robin ass. She's not even convicted yet. Y' all couldn't hold on for, like, a second.

[B]

Cause they know Takis was like, nah, she guilty. We all know she's guilty. Let's be real. When are they ever innocent? On the Real Housewives shirt? I know. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Mm. It's like Forbes at this point where 30 under 30. Like, we always know somebody going to jail, and now Real Housewives is turning to that. We're like, one of these cast members is going to jail on Potomac. We don't got two at this point. She ain't gone. Well, she did go to jail. So, yeah, two. Like, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Y' all got too much audacity. I'm not filming myself if I'm doing fraud. Like, what are we doing here? Let's be serious. So in 2017, she, Wendy, was named one of 12 influential young Pan African women to Watch by black media company Face to Face Africa for founding the 1954 Equity Project, which provides tools, mentorship, and resources for underrepresented minorities to thrive in higher education. I Think that's amazing. She's trying to lift people.

[B]

My concern is this. She's doing all these things. When does she have time to be trying to break the law? I don't understand it. Aren't you busy?

[A]

Yeah, but like signing a little paperwork to break the law for some insurance fraud, that's light work. That probably takes like 17 minutes, you know what I'm saying? And like fucking up their bedroom, that probably took like, you know, maybe 23 minutes. Like, we're not even talking an hour here for like a high payoff. So I think she could work it in. She.

[B]

Yeah, I'm just like, did she like watch enough shows and movies about break ins to like. It just felt like they got high and they were like, you know, it'd be cool how we can get like a quick like 75k, let's do this. Like, it didn't feel like. Let's methodically plan this out, you know?

[A]

And honestly, like, I love black love, but like, Wendy, you might need to divorce your husband because he's a lawyer. How did y' all not work this out to a table? Like, how was this not perfect? Like, Wendy, I know you got at least four Nigerian cousins back in the motherland who you could have sent over on a boat. Don't even fly. We don't even want the flight records. And get them to California, they put on a sheisty fake break into your house and escape. You give them enough money so that they can go back and omo Nigeria and they ain't ever gonna say shit. Cause you could actually set them up too. You know how signal and WhatsApp works. Like, you. What are we doing here? Like, y' all have all the. You got four degrees. Four. I know.

[B]

It's just giving. It's giving Jussie Smollett, which is so you know what I mean? And I truly. I remember that went down. I like fully believed. And I was like, who are these?

[A]

Who's attacking people in the goddamn streets? And then I'm like, when he said gay Tupac, yeah. My whole opinion shifted. And that was before the evidence came out about the two trainers and all that stuff in Chicago.

[B]

I.

[A]

When he said gay Tupac, I looked at my roommate and I said, I know I can't say this in public. Cause we gotta be on his side right now. Yeah, but this nigga lying.

[B]

Yes. It's not adding up. It wasn't adding up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I have some inside sources that have told me what that set was like and what was going on, and I'll tell you after the podcast, but. Mm, no. So.

[B]

Wow, wow, wow.

[A]

Wendy was also the 2018 recipient of the Black Woman in Media News and Journalism Award. She's getting all this awards, all these, like, all this visibility. And the 2018 recipient as well of the Woman of Vision award and a 2017 recipient of the Johns Hopkins Diversity Recognition Award. Now, okay, Johns Hopkins.

[B]

Did they take the award back? Did they go. Did they pull up to the house and take the award back? We need to find out.

[A]

She was also the 2017 recipient of the Johns Hopkins University Outstanding Graduate Award and a Baltimore Business Journal 40 under 40 honoree. So I am gonna stop there and say, johns Hopkins, I'm actually on y' all side now. Cause y' all were like, we gave her these awards, and we gotta act like we don't know her. We don't know her.

[B]

Who? Wendy?

[A]

Who? What?

[B]

Williams?

[A]

It's Wendy outside. What? Like, honestly, I'm on y' all side because y' all gave her hella awards and you, like, she is scammer. We gotta just also, like the diversity awards. I'm like, yeah, don't get her up out of here so this doesn't fall back on all the other brown people. Because I'm like, this is why I'm gonna give brown people trophies. Because they're scammers. They knew the detriment. They were like, the whole reason I'll give Brownies awards. They're all DEI robbery. This episode of Scam Goddess is brought to you by McDonald's. Listen, it's the holiday season. You know, There is always someone trying to ruin it, trying to step on my McGriddle, which I do not play about. But it turns out the Grinch is taking over McDonald's with a meal full of mischief. Even the fries aren't safe. He hit them with dill pickle. Grinch salt. I know that's right. The collectible side marked Property of the Grinch. I will definitely have a pair of those. And the Grinch meal box wrapped in pure mischief. Oh, the Grinches a queen. So if you're ready to let the Grinch ruin your season, grab a Grinch meal for yourself before he heads back to Mount Crumpet. Only at McDonald's. At participating McDonald's for a limited time, while supplies last. I take off my bra as soon as I get in my car on the way home. I don't even wait till I get home. I'm at the red light, unstrapping them three little prompts because it hurts. Well, it did until I found out about Adore Me. Whether you're looking for a more cleavage or a more comfort look or both, Ador Me has you covered. Adormi offers tons of sizes with their new thoughtfully designed bras, panties, lingerie, shapewear, sleepwear, and swimwear for you to choose from each and every month. Elevate your underwear drawer with high quality sets that won't break the bank. What I really love about Adore Me is that they have this, like, cloud, like fabric. It's so soft, I don't take it off. Have these, like, y' all know those little dents that you get in your shoulders from the bra? I don't have those anymore because of Adore Me. They are adoring my body and I am adoring it. And with styles starting as low as 24.95, you can feel confident even if you're on a budget. Head to adore me.com right now to shop styles from comfort to Sexy in over 67 sizes. Did you know you can opt out of winter with VRBO? Save up to $1,500 for booking a month long stay with thousands of sunny homes. Why subject yourself to the cold? Just filter your search by monthly stays and save up to $1,500. Book now at vrbo.com and Frau, the.

[B]

Thing that also, like, bums me out is I think she was so great on the show and I, I just took her side a lot. Especially when she started, you know, getting, you know, work done, doing like, little mommy makeover stuff. And everyone was being so cruel to her. And she's just sort of like, I want to do this for. Makes me feel good about myself. Like, she was feeling herself and like they were bullying her. And then now I see this and I go, damn it, Wendy. Like, I really do believe she had a lot of people on her side.

[A]

I think that especially if you have family that's in another country and you're seeing it, this is like, as the successful person, there's a lot of pressure that comes with that. And it's like, oh, if you got it, show that you got it. And so I think she just got in over her head. Cause you can even tell from her looks in Potomac how they escalated at a certain point and were giving designer and giving stylist. Like, when that's not really what she was giving in the beginning. She was trying to keep up with the Joneses and also take care of her family, who was expecting that? Because as soon as you get on tv, child, I don't know about you, but, like, it could be a commercial. It could be anything. But if my family sees me on tv, they're like, okay, Hollywood. Like, when I moved to la, I became Hollywood. And I wasn't even on nobody's television device at that time. And if I got very lucky, I have parents who have shielded me from anybody, really trying to, like, reach out into my pockets. Although there are people who do. And that's the story for a different time. But, like, I can understand if you've projected this much success and then all the people in your family, in your life are, like, expecting you to flaunt that. You fall into it because you're playing a role at this point. And then what happens when that coin is starting to dry up? You're gonna get embarrassed. And shame is a huge thing we talk about on this podcast because it keeps people from sharing their stories about being scammed because they don't want people to think they're a fool.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's a.

[A]

And also in scamming, like, you were scamming. Cause you were trying to keep up the facade. To me, I mean, like, Wendy. Wendy had been interviewed by cnn, msnbc, Fox News, abc, Fox Business, BBC, hln, Russian tv, the Washington Post, In Touch Weekly, Business Insider, and One America News Network. She had, like, a daily political segment on a syndicated radio show called Things to Know with Wendy O. So now she's established as, like, this expert in the field. She's got so much visibility. And when you're established as an expert in a field that you've been thrusted into, like, you gotta look the part. Like, that's part of the scam. Like, honestly, the only reason that I've ever bought iconography like a designer bag or expensive jewelry is so that I could wear it somewhere where other rich people were and they could look at it and be like, oh, she must be somebody.

[B]

Like, I know. But the thing is, really, like, true rich people, like, don't care about that. And I'm like, girl, you could get. I've gotten some cute blazers from Mango and turned it out and styled it. And, like, I looks like a million bucks.

[A]

Counterpoint, though, true rich people don't care about that shit. Because if you are really rich as fuck, it's rumors about how rich you are already out there. So you. Your flex is that I don't have to show you I'm rich because somebody already told you I'm rich. So if you don't have that it's like, let me put this little rich thing on so people know that I'm rich. There's levels to the rich. That's why you can. You know what I mean? That's why, like, Mark Zuckerberger can have a bald haircut for a decade before he start trying to look like Drake. And he can be wearing $6,000 white tees because everybody already knows he's rich. But if they didn't know, he would have to put on a subtle flex for people to know.

[B]

I guess I just. For me, like, if this was like, Jen Shaw, I'd be like, yes, this is a person who's all about, like, aesthetics and being known as rich, whatever. But I feel like Wendy's Persona, at least when she started on Potomac, was about, like, I'm highly educated, four degrees. You know, I have a great. I'm very smart, very intelligent, all these things that weren't really related to materialism. And so that's, for me, like, the disconnect where, like, certain other people, when they do the fraud stuff, I'm like, yeah, their whole thing is materialism and nonsense and flashing and keeping up with the Joneses. But I think initially, Wendy was. Was not that. Maybe she did get a little lost in the sauce on that, but I just feel like she really did stray away from who she was initially, and then that's how she ended up in this situation with fro. I could be wrong, but that was sort of my.

[A]

I think that you're right. Status is a crippling thing in America. Everyone has been sold a dream. The white picket fence, the family. You can go from selling crack back to, you know, being the president child. But. But everyone in America has kind of been indoctrinated into wanting to feel like they are better than someone else. So there's always a way to do that, whether it be by education, whether it be by racism, whether it be by wealth, whether it be by status, whether it be by fame, you know? And so. So I think that she was like, didn't have the coin to flex with the wardrobe. So she came with the flex of, I'm highly educated, and I am more. You know, I have more wisdom. Like, this is my. You know, I've done all this time in school. I went to all these great schools with all this status. And so that's how she established her status. And then as she got further on with the housewives and saw how they were dressing and how they were flexing, she was like, oh, okay, I need to do that, too. Because I want to stay relevant in this environment. And so I don't think it's that she necessarily gave up on her principles of being educated. I think it's that she adapted to another status symbol and clearly still could not afford that status symbol. Because if you gotta do fraud, you know, you can't afford.

[B]

Yeah, but I think she was always presenting herself. I mean, I think you're 100% correct. But I also think that she was presenting herself as sort of this like grounded morals and really this sort of.

[A]

Like, like arbiter morals are also a status symbol, which I agree. That's why people who don't have a lot of money or other things will be like, well, I'm super religious and I disagree. That's why so many people are homophobic because they're like, I disagree with your lifestyle. Meanwhile, it don't affect them at all. But if they broke as and don't got no potential and don't got no education and don't got nothing really to live for, they can still. I call it like, instead of looking in a mirror, you can look out a window. So if you can't look at yourself, you can mind somebody else's businesses, call yourself moral and still feel superiority. It's all superiority.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, there was definitely like that. I mean, there's no reason why she would tell people how many degrees she had all the time if it wasn't in service of her being like, oh, I don't. I feel a little less than right now. Let me sort of like give myself a boost to feel better than. But I just think that like. And I. Granted, I'm not a parent, but what I always find with these housewives and the fraud. It's like when you are a parent and you're doing, doing this, like, don't you like, think there maybe you're deluluable enough? But don't you think there's a possibility you could get caught? You could get in trouble? How are you going to explain this to your kids? Like, for me, that would snap me back into reality. Even if I was like, I'm getting caught up in the Joneses and I'm like a little bit in debt. I need to get some quick cash. I'm like, do something else. Do like a digital ad for like, like Glad trash bags. Like, do something other. I know that's like not sexy, but I. There's.

[A]

Oh, I can see Wendy being like, I was mad with my 4 degrees, but now I'm glad with these bags.

[B]

Exactly. There's some sort of thing where I feel like breaking the law and taking this risk when you have children truly makes no sense. And as someone who watches the Real Housewives, you like for people to stay on a long time. You stay on these shows too long.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then that's when you start making bad choices.

[A]

And I agree with you completely, 100% on that. And I'm of two minds of what thought process could have come across when you know you have all of these things to lose. Your children, your reputation, your license. You know, for the lawyer husband. Also for Wendy, I think either one fame had poisoned them to the point where they thought they couldn't get caught. Because your everyday life has changed, and now everyone is accommodating you because they want to be close to your clout. Or you genuinely think that you're gonna get away with it, because, honestly, becoming a famous person or being on television and being recognized is already in, like, such a low percentage of the odds for any human being in the world. You've already beat that. So maybe you think. Think you can beat charges, and you're hanging around rich people who are committing, like, casual crimes every single day, which is what rich people do. Like, a lot of rich people are criminals, y'. All. Like, in many ways, more than one than you'll ever know they are. And so you think you got enough clout that maybe you can just beat the case or lie out of it type shit. So you get a little deluded. But you're right. You're absolutely right, Phoebe. It's like, if you think about your children and also remember that y' all are black, you didn't have to break the law.

[B]

No.

[A]

You could have started selling Skinny Tom gummy bears or something on Instagram. You didn't have to do this. Like, that was also, just, like, hugely disappointed. I absolutely agree with you. And you know that. Wendy joined the fifth season of Real Housewives of Potomac in 2020, and her tagline for season five was, the professor has arrived and class is officially in sess. So again, harping on her education, which I love. Be educated, queen. And so season six, she started by hosting a fake titty party called Nude Interlude to celebrate her new boob job, plus cosmetic tweets. So this is, I think, was when we're delving into, like, her trying to keep up with the Joneses. She didn't want to buy herself some tites and threw a parte. And I. I'm not against the tit parte. Okay. You survived the table and you got you some new cha. Chas. Let's celebrate.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I love women celebrating themselves. And we have Wendy giving a tour now of her Potomac home for Bravo TV. And she shows off her husband's combined 8 degrees on the wall. It's giving student loan debt. Is that why y' all had to do this? This crime, allegedly, that I hope y' all don't have to go to jail for because y' all seem like lovely black people. I'm very torn, but let's see her. Her little Bravo TV cribs has to be the chandelier. Welcome to where the magic happens. It's. Oh, the magic.

[B]

The bedroom.

[A]

This is where my husband and I like to retire. We get lots of time on this bed.

[B]

There's 12 pillows.

[A]

I mean, that's feminine. You gotta. Women love a hella pillows. I got mad pillows on my bed. Bathroom. Okay. She's trying to make herself a mean.

[B]

I don't know what makes a bathroom.

[A]

Special, but I'll tell you what makes my bathroom special. This bathroom is not very up to date to me.

[B]

It's my Roman shower.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I'm watching a beautiful, intelligent woman be held hostage by capitalism. Like, yeah, she didn't look like she even wanted to do that.

[B]

No, that. That bedroom look staged. That looked like a hgtv. Love it or list it set. I was like, what is this bedroom with 20 pillows and no one lit? No one sleeps in that room. No one sleeps in that room.

[A]

Yeah. It's giving. Like, I'm a ceramics designer, and my husband puts out carpet in hotels, and we're looking for a house with a $4.5 million budget. Like, what? This looks staged.

[B]

Everything is fa is beige, which is just a sign that you don't have any actual taste.

[A]

Yeah. Or maybe you have adhd, because I won't lie. I love a silent room. Like, I'm chaotic enough.

[B]

Right. But this literally looks like Chip and Joanna gaines from, like, 2015. Like, just truly. Just Factory. We're putting out this sort of, like, there's not, like, for her personality. I'm actually. Because I never saw this house tour before, so I'm, like, actually surprised that this is her house.

[A]

Honestly, though, I think if your mind is really busy and I can. Can relate to this, that even though my place is very colorful, because I tried to, like, paint it like the Prince I will die for you album and did not realize that paint swatches die. Like, when they're painted on the wall, they're darker than the swatch. So Now I have hot pink interior bathrooms, bedrooms and I have periwinkle blue, bright as hell exterior. Yeah, thanks shout out to ADHD. But, but her bedroom is giving me like 24 year old baddy who's trying to marry a pro athlete. Like it's like this doesn't give me like woman with children and, and, and 4 degrees. But also she could be tired and she was like, I don't know. I hired a 24 year old baddie to like decorate my place and give me reflective end tables and you know, fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she also just looks like she's held hostage when she's like my Roman shower.

[B]

The, the problem that I have and so which is sort of making me understand more why her and Eddie did what she did is that she feels like Bravo heist housewife stereotype insert into brain. Like this just feels very sort of like factory made, like factory settings. Like the outfit, the way the hair is done, the way that she's talking, like everything, like nothing.

[A]

Mimicking.

[B]

Yeah. It doesn't feel authentic. Whereas like someone like, like if Nene was doing a house tour, even if the house looked like that, the way that she would present it would be totally different. The way that like Luann would present it would be totally different.

[A]

Nene ruined white refrigerators for several generations. If I see one, I'm like, I can't live here. Like, you know what I mean? A white refrigerator, like, and if you got a white refrigerator out there, y', all, love y' all keep streaming the show, okay? It's not your fault. Nene did that, not us. Okay? I don't judge. She just fucked with my head. But like you're absolutely right. It's like she's mimicking an aesthetic that she's seen because she wants to stay on the show. And to me this all screams desperation because. And not, not desperation in a shady way. Desperation in a real way of like, you need to stay on this show at this point. Something has happened financially where you need to continue to generate this income because either you're spending out of your means, you're giving away too much money out of your means. Which honestly, Wendy, I understand if you was giving this to your family, like, baby, it's not all family. Sometimes it's friends for me, but I give away way too much of my money. Like it's, it's. I'm. I understand. Yeah, I'm sorry. But yeah, it just feels like she's trapped because she signed on and now she's really trying to lean in So I think you're absolutely right, Phoebe, about that. And she was going to star in the new spin off of Wife Swap, Real Housewives edition, which. Okay, she really needed a coin. We doing Wife Swap. She was gonna do that this year until the premiere of the show got pushed back due to crimes. So, Phoebe, let's get to her crime and arrest here. In April of 2024, Wendy and Eddie claimed designer bags and jewelry were stolen from their bedroom in Maryland while they were on vacation in Jamaica. They were staying at Azul Beach Negril Resort. Azul Beach, Nagril Resort. I don't know. Was that Wagwan Louie? Jamaicans are gonna kill me. I already got the French on my ass. They were like, this sounded terrible when we were talking about the Louvre. Sorry, whatever. I meant that to be disrespectful. But Eddie, the lawyer, her husband filed claims with two different insurance companies with both he and his wife allegedly signing statement claiming $450,000 in property loss and $2,500 in property damage. They weren't the first Housewives family to be burgled.

[B]

Right.

[A]

In 2021, Beverly Hills star Dorit Kimsley was victim of a scary robbery. Right. And she was held at gunpoint as her home was looted. Her children were asleep in the other room at the time. Also, Kyle Richard experienced a home burglary in 2017 when her Encino house was hit by thieves who took treasured heirlooms. It's one of the risks of appearing on a reality show where you brag about your high end lifestyle while showing off the interior and exterior of your home. That all makes sense to me. This all points back to what you said, Phoebe, which is that she might have been just trying to do a blueprint of what these housewives were doing. Her house tour looks like a blueprint. She saw that all these other house. Allegedly. I don't know what she. But maybe she saw that these other housewives had been robbed and this was a blueprint. Maybe she was at Bravo Calm and they were like, I know.

[B]

I keep trying to. You know, this is the thing that I talk about in therapy sometimes. Like, sometimes I try to find the logic and the illogical and I just keep going back to her and Eddie are too smart to do something that's dumb.

[A]

Honestly, I agree it's been very difficult. And. But at the same time, though, I just. Working in scams realize that, like, sometimes you get conned because you are in need and scammers know how to exploit a need. And so if they were desperate for this money. In any situation, desperation will always kick out the red flags. It will knock out the thoughts that would stop you from doing this. It is not rational. It is a need. It is. And that's when your physical body takes over in situations. And the next thing you know, I mean, look, all people need love. And how many times has anybody out here on this podcast, no matter the gender, been with somebody that you were like, this is the most ghetto shit I've ever done in my life, but I really need a hug right now. So we're just gonna go with it. Like, because you had a need, all of your logic has fled you. Like, it happens.

[B]

I do think they can turn this around if they get convicted. I really do think that this is a nation that celebrates praise felons. I mean, we have a felon in the White House, so I feel like they can certainly come out the other side of this and get some coins, but.

[A]

And I want them out fast.

[B]

Like, yeah, they don't need to be.

[A]

Locked up for real. Like, they have three kids. I. I'm not gonna say this is a victimless crime, but I'm also gonna say this is a victimless crime because, like, insurance is a Ponzi scheme. Like, that insurance company got a lot of money from them and a lot of other people. Like. Like, everybody will be fine in this situation. And I don't think that three children should be deprived of their amazing, intelligent parents simply because they made a mistake. Like, and. And yes, girls, mistakes can be deliberate.

[B]

Girls can't make a mistake.

[A]

Okay, but mistakes can be deliberate.

[B]

You don't accidentally.

[A]

You ain't never accidentally committed insurance fraud. Be serious. I trigger phone and do insurance fraud all the time. I didn't mean to. It was a rock under my shoe. And then the next thing I knew, I did insurance fraud. That wasn't my intention.

[B]

This was a choice, damn it.

[A]

And even if it was a choice, you know, the devil be making us do stuff. What about the devil? Beelzebub made them do this. She got four degrees, he got eight.

[B]

Okay, does he really have eight? We never verify that.

[A]

I don't know, and I don't care. It's such a flex. It's such a specific number. Why would we ever question it? I just. I can't see a beautiful black couple go down like this. No, no, I'm on they side.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

All of this makes sense when you don't think about it. Stop thinking about it.

[B]

Don't use your brain.

[A]

Okay, but look, like. Okay, they're saying, though, they're saying the they, Wendy and Eddie didn't actually get robbed. Tyler Perry. Give me strength. Police found that there was no motion detective on the their family, like their security in their home while they were out of the country. Authorities investigating the burglary also noticed that there was a screen with damage lying on the roof, and the window where the break in occurred was not locked. To go in or out of that window, one has to step on the toilet. But there was no dirt or shoe print on the toilet lid. When sheriff's office personnel stepped onto the roof and back into the home, they tracked the roof grit back inside, meaning that they walked onto the top of the house the way they thought this burglary happened. And they tracked back inside and were like, there's dirt on our shoes and there is no dirt on this toilet. There is no dirt in the entry point. The window was unlocked, blocked. Now, gosh. Wendy, Wendy, husband, I'm trying to be on your side, but y' all couldn't wrap your hand up in a little in the towel and punch through the window glass. Yeah. Again, you could have employed a cousin to do this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is when you call, you know, bomba clock in Jamaica. You call somebody and you have them help you with this. Y' all don't got no criminals like, like, with one strike. Like, be for real. Oh. So Wendy was later photographed on a red carpet wearing one of the stolen rings, a diamond anniversary band, and posted the picture on social media. So she claimed this for insurance, and then she still wore it. This is how delulu I am. I was like, well, a lot of rich people buy expensive stuff and then they get a duplicate of it so that they can wear the real thing when they're safe, but not wear the real thing when, you know, they on the street. Sorry, you.

[B]

The thing is, I love your heart. I love your faith, But the more I hear these details, because I didn't hear this detail about her wearing the stolen item on the red carpet. I'm now mad defending her intelligence because this is stupid as fuck.

[A]

It's so dumb.

[B]

Don't wear any jewels.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

If I just got. Girl, if I was trying to sell this story that I got robbed, I would have been showing up in flip flops, paper sack, period stains, sweatpants, selling the story that I am going through.

[A]

With a neck brace. Like, just give me something. Also, this is a great reminder to everyone listening. And I say this all the time, and it is such a trick. In our society, intelligence is Not. Not some type of universal statement to your skill set. And what I mean by that is that you can be a genius in one area and a goddamn dumbass in another. So, look, Kanye's crazy ass is great at making a beat. Now, everything that he be saying, I'm not with it.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Also, like, if I was having heart palpitations or I needed some type of elective surgery, I don't want Kanye doing. Like, he's a genius when it comes to playing a little beat machine. He's not a genius when it comes to fixing my heart. He's not a genius when I'm like, oh, I need a gynecological exam. I'm not gonna be like, you know, like, let's be for real. Let's all be for real. I don't want dark, twisted fantasies in giving me a. You know, put me in stirrups. Like, let's be for real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we always do do this with people who have money as well. Just because you have money does not mean you're smart. Just because. And especially if you look back on how they got it or where they got it from, it's usually from family, from privilege, from a lot of things. Elon Musk never invented anything, babes. He acquired companies. Like, let's all be for real. So I can understand that Wendy may have 4 degrees and. And is a beautiful, lovely woman, for what I know I don't know her. Her, but obviously she don't know how to do robberies or fake them, at least. Now, why I'm mad about this is her husband is a lawyer, bro, but he doesn't do this type of law. Yeah. So it's not criminal law. So maybe he just didn't realize how criminal law works because that's not his specialty. I am disappointed in him, though, because I'm like you. At least a lawyer. Like, you could have been more for real about this. Like, the. The window unlocks, the. No footprints, no dust, no, like, no signs of, like, come on now, bro. When do you got to divorce him? When you get out of J. Because he really just did not. He. You had one job other than loving husband, father, and. And. And workman. But you. I'm blaming you, too. So the investigation found that other items they said were stolen had been purchased and returned to their respective stores, where full refunds were provided before the alleged burglary happened. So not only that, they went and bought some expensive ship, returned it, and said it was stolen. Paper trails, guys. Why? And none of these four degrees, none of them. I mean, I guess they weren't about. They. They weren't about this. I guess they weren't about crime, stupid.

[B]

They should they just like check their Google history how to fake robbery. Like it's all so fucking dumb. Are you not in the incognito window? Why the fuck are you googling this?

[A]

Like get all the dark web? Just my producer said yes. They're book smart. They're not street smart. They ain't never been. They not even cul de sac smart.

[B]

No like be for real.

[A]

Y' all not even private road smart. What's going on?

[B]

They're not Rutgers. They're not Rutgers smart. I'm glad that Rutgers took everything back. I'm glad New Jersey snatched it all.

[A]

Just Hopkins snatched it too and said we don't know her. And honestly now I'm on they side. Now y' all got me on the university side because they were like, we did not educate her to be this dumb. Think at this point they embarrassed because of how sloppily you did the crime. I don't even think it's about the integrity of the crime. They're like, we would never give somebody a degree who would do crime so badly. Like, this ain't even like a rico. This ain't even like a. A beautiful criminal emprise these dummies. No, no, no, no, no. How did y' all pass y electives? That's what we want to know. You can learn how to do crime in electives, especially psych. Come on now. Now I'm just disappointed. Now I'm just like, why y' all fuck this up like this? So in October, Wendy was arrested on 16 charges including insurance fraud, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud, and also false statements to police officers. Seven of the charges are felonies. Eddie is facing 18 similar charges. I'm glad he got two more. Cuz you a lawyer so you really should have been doing better.

[B]

Like, oh my God, the char.

[A]

These count dumbassery a crime. Can we get account for dumbassery? I'm like legit.

[B]

I'm kind of scared for them. I'm like, I. They're going to do some time. They're going to do some time. They're not going to get out of it.

[A]

And I just, I know that you okay. Financial crimes really piss me off sometimes because the prison sentences are sometimes so much longer than violent crime. So much longer than like dv, even pedophilia. And to me, those people are really fucked in the head. These people just did something fucking stupid. And prison is a hard place. It's. We don't rehabilitate people in jail where there. It's basically enslavement. And I don't think this. Like, I would rather just see them do community service for the rest of their lives and be like designated to do that every single week or they go to jail. Something that's not. Not this harsh because they seem to be decent enough people. They just were people who wanted money quickly. And I'm not gonna ride for the insurance companies.

[B]

Yeah, they should just get like, they what? Clean the highway. That kind of stuff. I think that, that. Yeah, it's just tough because they made so many boneheaded decisions that I like, can't like, I just can't all the way be mad because I'm. My God. This really. It feels like a couple of 8th graders doing this and not like 41.

[A]

Year olds, you know, with all these degrees.

[B]

Yeah, they have 12 degrees between the two. I was about to say that they got a dozen. A dozen. And they can't figure this out. If this is not a lesson to people to not do crime. If you have one degree, you. You're really going to be fucked. Because they have 12. They couldn't figure out it out.

[A]

Y' all needed a 13th where you studied criminology. Cuz clearly like, why did y' all go back to grad school one more time before you decided to do crime? Y' all clearly love to learn and you gonna skimp on this. Don't skimp on crime.

[B]

They should have done. I hate Ponzi schemes. But why didn't they do a Ponzi scheme? You know what I mean? Like, honestly, like just being like, oh my Birkin got stolen. It's like, who gives a. Like do a. It's just right.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Do a Ponzi schem.

[A]

That's a candle selling company and tell everybody on Facebook they can have financial freedom if they buy it in bulk. Like, I don't. This is so disappointing. They were released on $50,000 bail after being arrested. Wendy has stepped down from her teaching position at Wesleyan University.

[B]

Which.

[A]

Yeah, you. Look, I'm sure you were good at teaching whatever you were teaching, but clearly you are not a great student of crime. And so you're invalidated because. Because like, you know, so. Cause if you're a real teacher, you would have known to do your research how you running my shit through all the stuff that detects AI and ChatGPT and you can't even do crime right. I Can't respect you.

[B]

Cite your source. Just cite your source. That's all you gotta do.

[A]

No sources. Yeah, no sources. Two brain cells barely rubbing together. Disappointing. And so Real Housewives star of Orange County Tamara Judge said on her podcast that she got a DM from one Wendy's neighbors that the break in was suspicious when it was like, when it supposedly happened. So one of the neighbors already spilled the tea when it happened. Like, I don't really think that happened. And I honestly believe that neighbor, because I absolutely know that neighbor is white because of who she's contacting. And I absolutely know that Wendy was in a white affluent neighborhood where they were constantly watching her house, trying to see what she was doing so they could get her up out of there.

[B]

Oh, yeah, white people love being in Black people's business 100%.

[A]

It's their favorite thing. Yeah, they're like, we hate you, but we can't leave you alone. I'm like, please, please. That's why my favorite microaggression white people is if I'm in a rich space, first class, wherever it be, like a nice lounge, you name it. They're always like, so what do you do for a living? AKA nigga, why are you here? Yeah, but also I'm. And I want to know. Yeah, so. Girl, that's the other thing, Wendy, you living in this white neighborhood. You think the neighborhood watch wasn't watching your house? That's their whole job. They having bucko nights and exchanging information about what time you parked. This is not your kind of crime. So the neighbors all got notices on their front doors or in their mailbox that there had been a burglary at Wendy and Eddie's house. And instantly the whole neighborhood was thinking, thinking, this is insurance fraud. Damn.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wendy, okay, you made a lot of mistakes. The. The break in stage was bad. Wearing jewelry that you said was stolen on a red carpet. I can't even speak on it. But why weren't you inviting your. Your weird ass neighbors over to the house for a barbecue on the last Thursday of the month or dropping off some muffins or something so that they would not be trying to snitch on you. You had all the ops against you and did the worst possible plan, like you're a successful black woman, and then on top of that, you're living next to white people who don't want you there. On top of that, you're on Bravo, which is a lot of these bored houses, wives, favorite network, including all of. All of us, all demographics. But they're in there as well. You ain't even lend them no clout. You ain't take no pictures with them. You ain't bring your dog Scrappy do down the sidewalk and say hello. So now you got opps, too. You got opps on top of this.

[B]

It's also infuriating because she didn't even look up the. The history of burglaries in her neighborhood so that this would fucking try track. If you're. The neighborhood has not been burgled in three years, all of a sudden they're doing it when you're on vacation. Bitch be fucking for real.

[A]

You could have even looked up a burglary and staged it to look exactly like a burglary that happened in the past in that neighborhood. Why am I giving you free game?

[B]

They should have been doing minor crimes leading up to this. Like, plot this. Yeah, give us harassment.

[A]

Give us. I just. You got too many degrees to be this goddamn dumb. Like, that's all I'm gonna say. It's. It's so disappointing. I don't want y' all to be in jail for long because I just. This still is a victimless crime to me. Like, insurance companies will be fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I want your kids to have parents. And I do think I don't know you, but I hope that you're decent people. Clearly, you're very dumb in the area of crime, so I hope that you give that. And maybe you can write a. Like, write a memoir. Like, bad at crime, good at school. Like, I don't know. I don't know how to help.

[B]

Bad at crime, good at being a fool. Like, listen, just own it. Oh, my God.

[A]

Well, I hate to end on this note. I wish this was a positive thing. I hope they don't go to jail. But, Feba, we always ask on the show, where would you like to be found? It could anything you want to promote your socials, all of that. And I know that you can be found not breaking the law.

[B]

So I'm on social media at Dopequeen. Pheebs. That's P as in Paul, H E E, B as in boy, S as in Sam. My standup special, I don't want to work anymore is on YouTube. I'm on Bumble. It's a lot of tomfoolery out there, but I'm looking for the one. My books are available everywhere. And my God, I will be so not breaking the law. I can't even. Oh, my. I'm just. I can't. I can't believe they did this. I'm so mad about it.

[A]

I'm mad cause I'm disappointed. I'm like, I don't want to see y' all get locked up. And all the signs are pointing to the clink. All the signs are pointing to like 12 of your peers are going to put you under the jail. Like, why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

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