Scamuel L. Jackson: Sha*n K*ng Pt. 2 w/ Ashley Ray [Re-Release]

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary Episode: Scamuel L. Jackson: Shan Kng Pt. 2 w/ Ashley Ray [Re-Release]
Release Date: December 31, 2024
Hosts: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) & Ashley Rae
Guests: Ashley Rae (co-host)

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

Timestamp: [00:47]
Laci Mosley kicks off the episode by reintroducing herself as the Scam Goddess and welcoming her listeners, referred to as the "Congregation." She expresses excitement about the special edition featuring Ashley Rae, an award-winning comedian and podcast host. Laci praises Ashley's work, highlighting her insightful profiles and TV breakdowns, and warmly welcomes her back to the show.

Laci's Personal Scam Experience

Timestamp: [03:08 - 08:18]
Laci shares a deeply personal story about falling victim to a fraudulent employment scam while living in Germany. She recounts being hired by a woman promising paid positions to teach English in China. The scam involved exorbitant $600 application fees with promises of reimbursement after employment. Initially believing in the legitimacy due to the presence of a website and office, Laci's optimism fades as she uncovers discrepancies through reverse image searches. Upon arrival in China, she finds herself stranded in substandard living conditions without any support, realizing she had been scammed. Laci emphasizes the importance of vigilance, stating, “Do not go there. They will take your money. You will be stranded. And I had to have my parents fly me out like two weeks later because I realized I'd been scammed.” [07:15]

Discussion on Current Scams and Fraud Trends

Timestamp: [21:37 - 39:17]
The hosts transition into discussing prevalent scams, using their own experiences and listener submissions to highlight how fraudsters manipulate trust and exploit vulnerabilities. They emphasize the importance of recognizing scam tactics to avoid falling victim.

In-Depth Analysis of Shaun King’s Alleged Scams

Timestamp: [42:30 - 99:54]

ARO Fashion Line Scam

Laci and Ashley delve into the controversies surrounding activist Shaun King, focusing on his ARO (Absolutely Real Ones) clothing line. They accuse King of misrepresenting his business by using stock photos from legitimate companies like Kpepo Clothing and Seed2Shirt to create a façade of authenticity.

• Fake Certifications and Misleading Information:
  Laci points out, “videos Sean shared on his Instagram showing where his shirts were being sewn in Africa were actually taken from k people clothing YouTube channel.” [56:35]
  Ashley adds, “he went and went to their YouTube channel and then he went and put that on his Instagram and acted like it was his.” [56:35]

• Exorbitant Pricing and Poor Quality:
  The duo criticizes the high prices of the merchandise, questioning the value offered. They highlight customer complaints about not receiving orders, receiving incorrect products, and the absence of promised tags or certifications.
  Ashley remarks, “For example, a plain hoodie goes for $150 and another plain black tee costs around $49” [50:18].

• Customer Service Failures:
  They discuss how customers struggle to get refunds or exchanges, with many orders remaining undelivered.
  Laci notes, “You're blocked.” [65:07]

Shaun King’s Book “Make Change”

The hosts scrutinize King’s book, suggesting it functions more as a revenue-generating product than a genuine guide for activism.

• Misrepresentation and Fake Reviews:
  They accuse King of fabricating reviews and misrepresenting the book’s impact.
  Ashley states, “Sean, this is just so audacious. Like, why do you think that you can ask people to help you move?” [74:00]

• Donation Solicitation via Venmo:
  King is criticized for using Venmo for donations, which lacks the safeguards of platforms like GoFundMe, making it easier for funds to be misappropriated.
  Laci points out, “Donations via Venmo under false pretenses.” [55:38]

Fake Social Media Accounts and Impersonation

Laci and Ashley reveal King’s alleged use of fake Twitter accounts to defend himself and propagate his narrative.

• Use of Deceased Individuals’ Photos:
  They highlight how King used the image of a deceased rapper, Boog the Bandit, as an avatar, furthering his deceptive practices.
  Ashley explains, “the account's profile picture was not of Nicole, but actually of the late Ohio rapper Boog the Bandit.” [93:00]

• Impersonation and False Defense:
  The hosts accuse King of curating content to manipulate public perception, making it difficult for authorities and victims to hold him accountable.
  Laci comments, “He's a curator.” [56:35]

Legal and Financial Implications

The podcast discusses the legal repercussions faced by King, including lawsuits and the seizure of funds raised under fraudulent claims.

• Suing and Seizing Funds:
  They explain how funds raised for Samira Rice’s family were allegedly seized when it was revealed that King had no direct communication or consent from Rice.
  Ashley states, “the funds that were raised that he never raised” [91:59]

• King’s Responses and Evasion Tactics:
  King’s attempts to deflect blame onto his wife and other parties are heavily criticized.
  Laci emphasizes, “He loves to sue black women.” [100:41]

Additional Scam Stories and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: [95:38 - 104:07]
The hosts share another scam story involving an overpaid employee from a Chilean company who absconded with $174,000 due to a clerical error. They humorously critique his professional exit strategy, highlighting the ease with which scammers can exploit such mistakes.

Final Advertisements and Outro

The episode concludes with typical advertising segments promoting sponsors like NetCredit and Quince. Laci and Ashley wrap up with their signature sign-offs, encouraging listeners to stay vigilant against scams and promoting their upcoming projects, including Ashley’s podcast “TV I Say with Ashley Rae.”

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Notable Quotes

• Laci Mosley:
  “Do not go there. They will take your money. You will be stranded.” [07:15]
  “Don’t let shame stop you from getting out of a bad situation.” [16:31]

• Ashley Rae:
  “Why would anyone think that an application fee should be $600? $600 for me to read your application. That's a lot of money.” [05:52]
  “He's a career criminal. I don't either.” [95:19]

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Key Takeaways

• Vigilance Against Employment Scams:
  Laci’s personal experience underscores the importance of scrutinizing job offers, especially those abroad, and the red flags associated with fraudulent recruitment practices.

• Critical Examination of Activist Figures:
  The episode critically examines Shaun King’s business ventures, suggesting deceitful practices aimed at exploiting social movements for personal gain.

• Awareness of Digital Fraud Tactics:
  The hosts highlight sophisticated online strategies used by scammers, such as fake social media personas and deceptive donation requests.

• Empowerment Through Knowledge:
  By sharing these scam stories, Scam Goddess aims to educate listeners on identifying and avoiding fraudulent schemes, fostering a community of informed and cautious individuals.

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Conclusion

In this re-release episode, Scam Goddess dives deep into the complexities of modern scams, using personal anecdotes and investigative commentary to shed light on fraudulent activities perpetrated by seemingly credible figures. The hosts blend humor with critical analysis, making the content engaging and informative for listeners seeking to navigate the deceptive landscape of fraud.

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Transcript

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ashley Rae]

Scams CA Robbery and Fraud Scam CA Robbery and Frau what's poppin? Congregation? It's your girl Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And we're back with another special edition of Scam Goddess Podcast. The podcast that's all about robbery fraud. Those who practice it, maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We will find out. Guys, I am so what? Come on. Parasocial relationship. Come on, my Adult Blues Clues Girlies, I'm so what? Yes. Excited. Excited. I'm elated. I'm ecstatic. Like, y'all have been begging for this. We have been waiting for the. We have an icon on the show, someone who. Look, first of all, y'all are very responsible for me getting blocked on several platforms. Um, her too. I just wanna say, Congregation, y'all really be wilding out about this episode. But before I even tell you what it is, and some of you probably can guess from this description, we have an amazing comedian and podcast host. Season two of her podcast, TV I say with Ashley Rae, is premiering on July 27th here on Earwolf. I said July 27th TV, I say. And if you don't know, Ashley has been a prolific writer. She has done profile on some of the most famous people and most amazing creators that exist right now. And she is so smart. I literally look at her TV breakdowns and watch everything that she tells me to watch. I'm not even kidding. Like, after your profile, Michaela Cole and I May Destroy youy. And when you would release those, like, articles, like, after the episodes, I would watch the episode and me and my friend would read the article afterwards and be like, oh my. Like, literally, like, obsessed. She's A returning guest. She's a friend of the show, y'all. If you know the show, you know why she's here. Congregation, please welcome Ashley Rae back to the show. What's up, Ash?

[Lacy Mosley]

Hello. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad. I love you. Thank you so much.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm genuinely. I mean, I'm always very excited, except for a couple times. And y'all, stop being rude on the Instagram. If you don't like the guests. You don't gotta say that. They bad on the Instagram. Y'all. Calm down. They're so rude.

[Lacy Mosley]

They so rude.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm like, how's that? It's usually just, like, straight male standups. They're like, why is this man here, Keanu?

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, fair enough. Okay.

[Ashley Rae]

They're right, though. It'd be getting a little treacherous, you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Know, Most of the time I'm like, why are straight men here?

[Ashley Rae]

Right? But I do love their confidence. I'm gonna start doing less. I work so hard.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, why not?

[Ashley Rae]

Y'all can hear the sweat when I drop these episodes, huh? I'm just perspiring.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Working so hard. But wait, I. I have to ask you, Ash, what is your relationship with scams?

[Lacy Mosley]

Ooh. I. I actually. I have a long history, and last time I was here, I shared, like, a scam I fell for. And then afterwards, I was like, I actually have been invol scam jobs that, like, I was, like, 20, needed a job, didn't really know what I was doing. And then, like, a month in, I'm like, oh, this is a scam. I'm like, I lived in Germany too long.

[Ashley Rae]

Let's see. Tell me. Tell me the story. We'll figure out if a month was just right or too long.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm an optimistic person. I like to have faith in people. I was living in Germany, and this woman hired me. She ran a company to hire English teachers in China. So it was to, like, you know, teaching English as a first language. And she was in Germany looking for English teachers, which I guess already should have been a. Maybe a heads up. But she hired me because I spoke German and English, and she was like, I want you to go to campuses and put up flyers and go to, like, English departments and find people who will apply to this program to go teach in China. We pay for everything. We pay for their flight, we pay for their lodging. We pay for their food. They're going to stay in an amazing, like, apartment.

[Ashley Rae]

I have a question, Ash. So you speak English? You speak German. She hires you to put up flyers. Now, is this because. Are you typing? Is it like, Alvida Zane and you give people the flyer and you like, I don't know nothing else in German other than songs about a man who tried to kill his wife.

[Lacy Mosley]

All the flyers were in English.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then it was actually interesting because, like, all the flyers were in English, and it was to teach in China. And I was telling her, I was like, well, you know, there's, like, English speakers who are interested in, like, the Chinese history department. Like, I could go there and stuff. And she was like, no, no, just the flyers to just, like, German people who speak English like no one else. And I was like, okay. I guess, you know, it was like.

[Ashley Rae]

A lot of hurdles. German people who speak English who are going to teach English in China, but they don't speak Mandarin.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Yes. Like, it was okay. But I was like, these are intense language programs. Like, they go. They. You know, these kids are fully immersed in English, so why would the teacher need to know Chinese?

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, let's. Yeah. And I started working for. And again, she was like, we pay for everything. Like, their flights, everything. Like, you know, as soon as they apply, like, they pay an application fee, but we pay for everything. And these people would send an application fees that are $600. Like, with their application being like, I can't wait to teach. Here's everything.

[Ashley Rae]

Why would anyone think that an application fee should be $600? $600 for me to read your application. That's a lot of money.

[Lacy Mosley]

$600 to be like, can I go teach English country?

[Ashley Rae]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, like, you also have to. Had to share your TOEFL result. That's like a exam that they have to take if you want to teach English another country. So some people would be like, oh, well, it makes sense because it's including that exam. So that's why it's so high. But it didn't. Because. Of course not. But she would just keep being like, they're gonna get reimbursed. Like, you pay these fees, but once you're working, you get reimbursed. And I was like, okay, sure, I believe this.

[Ashley Rae]

And I was hustling 600 for your Maya Briggs.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

We got to do a zodiac chart on you.

[Lacy Mosley]

NATO chart.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do you know.

[Ashley Rae]

Do you know your birth time? You want to teach?

[Lacy Mosley]

This is all very important.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, that's. That's added to the 600.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I was like, this is a good cause. Like, teaching kids, people so passionate. And I was like, hitting the Street. I got like 10 people to apply to this program because I also got money.

[Ashley Rae]

$6,000. Wait, that's not good math. 10.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wait, 10.

[Ashley Rae]

You just add a zero.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I was like hustling. I got a cut of money for with every person that I get brought in. And I was like, I am helping these people fulfill their dreams of becoming a teacher. Beautiful. And then one day I looked at the website that I worked for the company and like they listed the school a month in.

[Ashley Rae]

You decided to go on the company website also?

[Lacy Mosley]

She paid me in cash.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't expect that from you. Because we all know when we get hired at companies, we go on the website immediately because they already have a photo of us on.

[Lacy Mosley]

To me, I was like, the fact that they have a website is legit because it was literally just like a woman. I would work with her in this one office that was just one room in a bathroom.

[Ashley Rae]

You heard a godaddy. Anybody can have a website. When Danica Patrick starts selling websites to people who go to NASCAR to watch cars crash and drink beer, anybody can have a website.

[Lacy Mosley]

This was 2011. And I was like, Lisa.com.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like, well, she has a website and an office. And then I started like, actually Google, like reverse image searching the pictures on the website. Because I don't. I was like, oh, these schools look like really cute. Like, I wonder what the apartments that the teachers stay in look like. And I started doing reverse image searches and it turned out all the schools listed were completely different schools in different places. It turned out the apartments were fake. Like all everything on the website was fake.

[Ashley Rae]

I started show up to the apartment. It's just like a tall piece of cardboard.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Like, I started searching online, like people who have been scammed by this company. And all these people were like, yeah. So I applied. They bought me a plane ticket to China, a one way ticket. And I went to China and no one like was there to pick me up. Eventually, like, someone came and was like, oh, teacher. And then they put me in a van, drove me to a village. And like, instead of it being like an apartment in a school, I was like living in a hut and like teaching children in a hut. And like, they weren't paying me. Like, nothing that they said was true.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

And it was like, do not go there. They will take your money. You will be stranded. And I had to have my parents like fly me out like two weeks later because I realized like, oh, I'd been scammed.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh my God.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I realized this after I Had, like, enlisted.

[Ashley Rae]

She was really flying them to China and then having them go. Okay, look, technically, she ain't lie. She said, you gonna teach us.

[Lacy Mosley]

She said she was gonna fire you to China.

[Ashley Rae]

You gonna get flew out to China.

[Lacy Mosley]

And some people did buy their own tickets because she'd be like, we'll reimburse you. Ooh.

[Ashley Rae]

See, I do not like a reimbursement from a company. It's very poor to me. And I don't like that because companies always want to accuse you of being poor. Company's favorite thing is to gaslight you and tell you you poor. That's net 45s, net 30s, like all that. Oh, you a freelancer? Oh, you want your money today? What are you poor? You don't have any savings? I mean, yeah, you did the work already three weeks ago, but you want your money now. Very bad, but it's the rush.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just wait. You can't wait.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, my God. You don't have no savings like us. Big company like, bitch, give me my money. Y'all supposed to be rich.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so I was like, if she's buying the plane tickets, how? Like, that's legit? And then I got an email from a girl that was airline.

[Ashley Rae]

She flying them Spirit. She flying them Frontier.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh. I was very much like a cheap. Like, probably like Ryanair or something. Something.

[Ashley Rae]

I was like, no, not right. I imagine them sitting on benches, like people doing. They're about to jump out of a plane about the skydive.

[Lacy Mosley]

Literally, on Ryanair, they're selling lottery tickets in the middle of your flight. Like, they'll just stand up and be like, anybody want to scratch off? Like, we sell them.

[Ashley Rae]

Listen, what's air rules? I feel like that's got to be like, boat rules, like, maritime law. What's airtime law?

[Lacy Mosley]

Definitely if. I mean, if it's a Spirit Orion air, there's no law. Like, that's. It's a lawless place.

[Ashley Rae]

Listen, United is about to join spirit. United is spirits. Like bougie cousin honey, because what they doing over there? Very ghetto. I just went, I bought a first class ticket. Y'all don't buy first class tickets. Domestic. It's the same seat. And all you're gonna do is look back jealously at all the people with extra leg room, comfort. And y'all got the same seat. And, okay, what, they have to buy their alcohol not worth the extra. What, six? You probably paid for your seat by the alcohol.

[Lacy Mosley]

And the last time I was flying, I did first class. They weren't serving alcohol anymore. It was like, during the. Everybody's fighting on planes, so we gotta stop.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay? Can you. Oh, my God. This literally happened to my cousin on his flight here. He was like. There was a bachelorette party behind me, and they were trying to order vodka. And literally, the flight attendant. Because. Shout out to y'all flight attendants, because I'm so sorry, y'all gotta be a medic. Y'all gotta be, you know, the first responder. You gotta be a waitress. You gotta fist fight your clientele. It's a lot. But he said that. He was like, this is when I realized the flight attendants ain't having it. Quote, the bachelorette ladies were like, oh, can we get some, like, vodka? Like, the little vodka and vodka soda? And she was like, I'm sorry, we're not selling alcohol on the planes right now because too many of our clients have punched people in the face. So when you guys stop punching people in the face, then maybe we'll serve alcohol again.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like, okay, okay. Like, if you could just spread the word. Stop punching.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. Let everybody know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Let all your messy friends know.

[Ashley Rae]

Get on Facebook. Tag everybody you know and tell them to stop punching people on the airplanes in the middle.

[Lacy Mosley]

I have some liquor, and please, I need it.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, I imagine she was probably flying them the most ratchet airline, though. That's tragic.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, yeah. And there was one girl who was like, oh, I have to buy my own ticket, because she had to, like, fly out a certain date. And I want to say, when I found out it was a scam, I emailed every single person who, like, had applied through me, and I was like, this is a scam. Don't do it. Get your fucking money back.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, that's. You know what? That's really sweet. So that's really sweet. I'm glad you spread the word. Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

But it was after I, like, quit and I got your chance. Paid handsomely. She paid me in cash.

[Ashley Rae]

You did mention that a second ago. And I was gonna come back to it. I was gonna go back. Yeah. It just feels like a business like that shouldn't be paying you in cash. You were probably her best employee.

[Lacy Mosley]

Honestly, I was like, oh, I'm from America. My employment stuff is weird. So that's why she has to pay me in cash.

[Ashley Rae]

Listen, listen, I'll take a cash job. I've been in America and been paid in cash. I used to work for Definitely a drug mogul. I'll call him a pharmaceutical entrepreneur. And I worked at his bar, and I started to realize it was a scam because we got, like. It was Pittsburgh. We got, like, $42 a shift, plus tips. But you took your $42 out of the register and nobody. I was just an honest kid. Nobody. And why was I. I should have been lying more. Nobody checked our drawers. Nobody matched it to make sure. When we switched shifts, it was whatever. His kids would come in you, and they'd be like, oh, my daddy said I could hold $100 from the register. So then I would just give them $100, and I'd write down a little note like, Boo took $100 from the register. And then just like, keep moving on with my day. Like, what?

[Lacy Mosley]

You should have scammed that more.

[Ashley Rae]

You know what? I couldn't. Because, like I said, he was a pharmaceutical entrepreneur, and I like being alive sometimes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Threats, Threats. That's all you need.

[Ashley Rae]

And I met him in a shooting, so it was just like. Well, no, I didn't meet him in the shooting. That was the first time I worked for him, was in the shooting. So it was. God, America. America's so bad that I forgot that I've been in a shooting. Probably more than one. But this one was the most proximity. I was working as a promo girl for the Summer Jam tour.

[Lacy Mosley]

Nice. Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

So we went to the club, and we wearing these shirts that are like, summer Jam tour. That's it. That's it. You just be a bad bitch and wear a shirt that says Summer Jam Tour. And then somebody came into the club and started shooting. And I remember, like. And look, this is. I'm not trying to make any. This is not a joke about mass shootings in America. This shit is trash. Like, I'm just saying in this moment, I was like, okay, he's probably here looking for somebody. We're running, we're scrambling. We're just, like, trying to get out of there, right? We get out of there. And the most jarring thing to me, and this is something that I think we can all relate with now, is, like, all the girls who were doing the promo who had been doing it. And I just started. I was in college. I was maybe, like, 2019. And I was like, oh, my God, that was so terrible. Like, oh, my God, Obviously, we can't do this anymore. And they were like, oh, my God, I cannot believe they shooting in the club again. Like, we can never have no fun. Cause they always shooting in here. Oh, my God, So annoying. I was like, annoying, girl. We almost died. We should be annoying.

[Lacy Mosley]

And again, how often are you coming? I feel like a shooting happens at a Place one time, I'm like, I'm not gonna party there again.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm not going back.

[Lacy Mosley]

And we were like, ugh.

[Ashley Rae]

Again.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm like, no, this is the fifth time this week.

[Ashley Rae]

We can't be annoyed by, like, minorly inconvenience.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, no, that's a shooting. Don't go.

[Ashley Rae]

It was giving bella noches. They were like, ugh. Like, why'd you take that? Where the hell can you go? It was giving that. I was like, y'all need to be more. We should all be more scared.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, yeah, that's not. It's not okay.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. This is not like a minor inconvenience.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, somebody pulled the fire alarm. Like, come on now.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's a shooting.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. But after that, I started working. I was like, I can't work in this capacity, but I will work at your cds Scam bar. So I did do that. Listen, sometimes you got to work for a scam front sometimes.

[Lacy Mosley]

And also, she bought me lunch every day.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay. She seems like a nice, criminal boss.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And there was, like, one point where, like, I had to call her out on something because she, like, had paid me late. And I was like, you know, where's my money? And she, like, brought me flowers and gave me a $200, like, rate, like, tips on top of everything.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, you were her best employee. Ashley, I'm so sorry, but you signed up in that lives.

[Lacy Mosley]

I just. I was like, if I hadn't realized sooner, I would have got like, this.

[Ashley Rae]

Is my number one life ruiner. Let me get this, Mr. Flowers. What you want from Chipotle, sis? I'm sorry I'm late with your chat.

[Lacy Mosley]

I do think out of the 10 people I heard back from, like, three of them. I'm sure everybody else was just like, this woman is crazy. Like, I'm not listening to her. And three people came back to me. Two were like, thank you so much. And one girl was just like, you're lying. Like, she straight up was like, I got my ticket. And I'm. I was just like, okay. Then I was like.

[Ashley Rae]

And she learned a lesson because, you know, sometimes you gotta listen to the universe. You were the universe.

[Lacy Mosley]

I did follow. I looked up her Facebook after because I wanted to see. And she went. And then she came home, like, two weeks later. I was like, see? Yep. And she tried to post all positive. Like, things didn't really work out at the school I was teaching at. And I was just like, oh.

[Ashley Rae]

And I gotta say, guys, I say this over and over again. I'm Writing a book. Look, I'm gonna put all this stuff in one place for you. But shame. Don't let shame stop you from getting out of a bad situation. It's okay to change your mind once you receive new information. You don't have to tie your identity to the choices that you've made or the people that you decide to associate with. If they turn out to be a nasty person. You can walk away.

[Lacy Mosley]

Walk away. She had a whole dream in her head. I'm gonna teach English. I'm gonna. And it's like she had already flexed too hard.

[Ashley Rae]

That's what it was. She was on Facebook being like, y'all basic ass bitches doing Teach for America. I'm doing Teach for China. Passport stamps on.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're going. Yeah. And I'm getting reimbursed.

[Ashley Rae]

You domestic host could never. Y'all are still flying with your birth certificate. Kit choke. She had. Did too much.

[Lacy Mosley]

She did too much. I gotta see it through. She.

[Ashley Rae]

She broke up with her boyfriend, left her old friend. She was like, y'all. All y'all wanna do is drink Keystone. Like, y'all ain't got no future. I'm living around the globe.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I'm gonna. I'm gonna live in a nice apartment.

[Ashley Rae]

Look at my apartment. She showed too many people the apartment.

[Lacy Mosley]

And it was like they found, you know, those, like, really high tech Chinese apartments where it's like, I don't know, laundry in the walls.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, is that the ones like TikTok, where they use everything? Got a little gizmo.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, everything.

[Ashley Rae]

Everything.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. They use photos of, like, one of those apartments in the ads. Like, of course. These, like, college students are like, oh, my goodness. I'm gonna live it up. I'm gonna get paid, like, $2,000 a week.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, that would have got me, cuz that one lady on TikTok who has a gizmo for everything. Like a tiny washer over the toilet. Why? I don't want the tiny wash over my toilet. But she got me. It looks fancy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it looks fancy. In retrospect, I probably should have been suspicious because, like, why wouldn't she have tried to hire me? Like, I can speak English. Why?

[Ashley Rae]

And German.

[Lacy Mosley]

And why?

[Ashley Rae]

Wasn't that what I was saying when I said, why she make you put up flyers? Because she knew she saw talent. Yeah, she knew a saleswoman when she saw one.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's all that matters. She was like, no, no, no, you're not a scammy. You're a scammer, girl.

[Ashley Rae]

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[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, don't go jail. Don't go to jail.

[Ashley Rae]

Don't go to jail.

[Lacy Mosley]

Don't mess up.

[Ashley Rae]

Also, like, I want you to do your scam until it's retired. When you're done with it, let us have.

[Lacy Mosley]

If that lady is still out there scamming in in Germany. I'm so sorry if I messed that up for you just now.

[Ashley Rae]

She good. She good. One podcast can't do her in. Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, she. I don't know. She had a really legit, like, operation. She's good. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

She got a website.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, she got a website. A whole website.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, please, come on now. She got a WW HTTP. Come on now.

[Lacy Mosley]

It wasn't even at, like, edu. I'm just connecting so many dots now.

[Ashley Rae]

I told you it was dot GoDaddy. It was dot Danica Patrick. And I was like, this is a URL now. Yeah, Danica got her own URL. She's very talented. Why not?

[Lacy Mosley]

She's an amazing. Her aunt was my Latin teacher.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. One day I wanted. This is so random. I'm not gonna dive into this. I know y'all be mad at me, but I wonder if we could ever track down Katy Perry's performance history, because there's been a lot of scams that she's performed at that I'm like, okay, I need to know. Like, she performed at Lularoe. There's, like, other places that she's performed. They hire Katy Perry.

[Lacy Mosley]

There has to be more.

[Ashley Rae]

How many scams. How much scam money have you received in your career?

[Lacy Mosley]

Because I'm like, katie's not saying no to anyone.

[Ashley Rae]

You can put Katy Perry on cash app, bro. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And she's gonna be like, I'm there.

[Ashley Rae]

She's like, y'all want a firework? Okay. Yes, we, baby. Y'all gonna be a firework. I'll see y'all in 10 days. Okay. What is this for? Robbery.com? yeah, I'll be there.

[Lacy Mosley]

She's there.

[Ashley Rae]

Danica Patrick. Okay, I'm coming.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm sure she did Bitcoin Fest. I'm sure she was at all of them.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes, anything. That's Ponzi. She's like, is it a triangle? Oh, Katie will be at the top of it. Okay? Don't worry about that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Herbalizing life, what you need?

[Ashley Rae]

Listen, a smoothie, okay? A smoothie can be a firework. Let me work on the lyrics. I got y'all. Do you ever feel like a plastic bag cuz you're not eating healthy?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You need some vitamins, some supplements.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm trying to make these organs. Fireworks. Okay, all right, so let's get to this verse here. This first letter or first. The only letter. I need a fake name from you, Ashley. Gender doesn't matter, so it can be anything.

[Lacy Mosley]

Garth. Garth. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm from Texas, and I still wonder.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why people was named G. Like, it's not. Doesn't even sound real.

[Ashley Rae]

No, it's hard on the ear. It's weird on the mouth. Garth. You got to use so many muscles to say Garth, I'm getting wrinkles.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's, you know, G. Now those people are like. Like, you can't. They can't even say the name Goth.

[Ashley Rae]

You have to say with a British accent if you don't smile. I think that's how we're going to say. We're going to say Goth.

[Lacy Mosley]

Garth sounds cool now.

[Ashley Rae]

Garth sounds kind of great. Yeah, Like. No, it's Goth. My son's name is Garth Brooks.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love. Oh, love this.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? It's Goth River. Like Garth Brooks, but like a little.

[Lacy Mosley]

But like hotter.

[Ashley Rae]

A little hotter. A little sexier. So Garth says, hello, Scam goddess. I'm not going to read it all in the British accent. You guys will kill me. I'm writing you about a scam that happened to my family. Okay, not your scam in which a scammer was caught because she talked in a bar. Oh, guys, you can't be talking about crime in public places like that. You just can't. You gotta see who's listening.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's like, come on, talk about crime.

[Ashley Rae]

In your car with the volume on 50.

[Lacy Mosley]

50. Yeah, but not out in public.

[Ashley Rae]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

Talk about it in the woods.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, like, so back when my cousin, we will call him Marcus, was in his senior year of high school. He got his girlfriend pregnant. Well, my aunt was having none of that. So she paid the girl to disappear, and if she stayed away, she would essentially pay my cousin's child support as well as pay for them to have a place to live, just without Marcus being a part of it. She paid her to disappear. When she said paid, I thought it was going to be for, like, a. Termination.

[Lacy Mosley]

Termination. Little Bobo, you know? But no, that's.

[Ashley Rae]

She was like, get lost.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Honestly, if you're paying someone to disappear, you deserve to get scammed.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. And also, how much money do you have? Because disappearing money ain't.

[Lacy Mosley]

And that's a lot of money. Yeah, that's a lot. And rent, child support place. That's. That's way too much giving.

[Ashley Rae]

Dynasty. Are y'all, like, an oil tycoon family?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, and I bet this girl was scamming on this. Like, who. I feel like y'all know these are oil barons, like.

[Ashley Rae]

Cause disappear. That's a. That's a.

[Lacy Mosley]

The fact that your head. You jump to disappear people. It's like, that's some mob stuff. That's.

[Ashley Rae]

You either have to be. Yeah. Very entrenched in crime or very, very rich.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Because if your first thought isn't, let me give you 200 to make a doctor's appointment.

[Ashley Rae]

Right. That's my new goal. Like, now that I've heard this, I want to have make people disappear money.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Where I can be, like, get out of town.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Throw a duffel bag of money at them, and I'm like, you don't come back. You like. Okay. That's the kind of money I'm trying to have is disappear money. Because I can't afford to make nobody disappear. I don't know if I could afford.

[Lacy Mosley]

To make, like, what? I'd disappear. No. You want to go to the other side of Silver Lake, Right. I can pay for your Uber.

[Ashley Rae]

Right. I don't know if that's quite disappeared. I could get you to Malibu.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

You have a nice weekend in Topanga, like, right.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, you're going to Palm Springs and you're never coming back. Okay. I can't even get you on a flight to disappear you. Yeah. Wow. I gotta work harder. Ashley. We gotta.

[Lacy Mosley]

We gotta. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

We gotta start podcasting harder so we can get that disappear money. So she says, essentially, like, you know, paying this person to disappear. So Marcus didn't have to be a part of it. Now, Marcus, why would you let your auntie do this?

[Lacy Mosley]

Marcus?

[Ashley Rae]

So it says. I'm honestly not sure why she wouldn't just help both the mom and Marcus raise the kid if she was going through this much trouble. But I guess she wanted his girlfriend out of his life. The girlfriend told Marcus she had the situation handled.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Ashley Rae]

Olivia Pope Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Which I guess she did, but not in the way that he thought and never spoke to him again.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[Ashley Rae]

That disappeared. Money was moneying the money. She was like, like, this is your baby daddy. This is someone who obviously, like, had some sort of feelings for you. Have a baby with them. And you were like, so the way this money looking. Goodbye, Marcus. Never knew you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, this check will take care of things. When my kid has questions later in life.

[Ashley Rae]

Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

When my kid is like, who's my daddy? What happened to my. How did you meet? Oh, don't worry about it.

[Ashley Rae]

Your daddy is a Wells Fargo wire transfer that comes in every Tuesday, and it's never late. Okay. We love your father.

[Lacy Mosley]

We love your father.

[Ashley Rae]

He's raising you very well.

[Lacy Mosley]

So great.

[Ashley Rae]

It's giving Elon Musk. It's giving Nick Cannon is.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did Elon Musk write this? Like, right?

[Ashley Rae]

Eli's like, see? I'm a great father. I can't believe Elon had nine. Alante has nine kids. Nine children and we didn't know.

[Lacy Mosley]

No idea.

[Ashley Rae]

Nine whole asses.

[Lacy Mosley]

Alhai twins.

[Ashley Rae]

How did two.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, two.

[Ashley Rae]

And they come from a woman who works at your company, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I can understand when Drake hit a child. That's one child. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Adonis was one kid.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's one kid.

[Ashley Rae]

When I heard the name, though, I was like, oh, that's Drake's baby. Like, a woman who's naming her kid Adonis. She know who the daddy is?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And he's very.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like Drake pulled one of those. All I really want is to name him. Please just let me pick the name.

[Ashley Rae]

You think?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Men are wild. They will, like, sleep with a woman once, find out she's pregnant, and then be like, let me name him. Come on.

[Ashley Rae]

I feel like Drake wasn't trying to handle kids, though.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't think he was. But then he was like, if it's mine. Yeah, but let me name it.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay. Okay. And they have been growing Adonis little hair out. Cause I think Drake really was trying to convince people that he was not half white for a long time. And then when he had a baby with a white woman, obviously that's a predominantly white child.

[Lacy Mosley]

Baby.

[Ashley Rae]

Baby came out with blonde hair, blue eyes. He was like, I'm not trying to debut him until his hair is long enough to cornrow the cornrow.

[Lacy Mosley]

I really think that's what it was.

[Ashley Rae]

When we can get him little baby straight backs, then. Then I'll say, you my kid. Put him in the sun a little bit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You know, he can get a little tan when the color comes in.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. How old can do babies need to be to get a spray tan?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

How old?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, is.

[Ashley Rae]

Is he just hit him a little bronze. Dude, somebody got the Queen latifa collection from L'Oreal. Yeah. Hit my baby with that.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Ain't nothing wrong with having a white baby. It's okay. But Drake. Yo, Drake was like, no, I say too much for the baby to look like this.

[Lacy Mosley]

He did that whole blackface picture, you know, He.

[Ashley Rae]

The way that. That's viscerally stuck in my mind. He was wearing, like, a green T shirt.

[Lacy Mosley]

Green T shirt. Like, the big lips and everything.

[Ashley Rae]

They was making a statement. Girl, they in Canada.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Ashley Rae]

They was trying their best.

[Lacy Mosley]

It. It was some Degrassi.

[Ashley Rae]

It was very Degrassi. It was very Jimmy. So. All right. So I don't. The girlfriend's like, I gotta handle Olivia Pope. All right? So six years later, Marcus got a new girlfriend. And his brother. We will call him John, spilled the beans about what my aunt did to the new girl. Damn. Marcus, your brother John. Hater John.

[Lacy Mosley]

What's.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, this is some hateration and some holleration.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Why you need to look at your relationship with John.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. Marcus, it's time for you to start fighting your family.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. At both. At every step of this. I'm like, the aunt's in the wrong. John is in the wrong.

[Ashley Rae]

Everybody's wrong, Marcus. You in the wrong. You just let your kid go like, that's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Marcus. Where's your backbone?

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, Marcus, come on now. You need to be a whole father. That's why we put up the billboards about take time to be a father today. Marcus, we're talking to you. We're talking to you. Go be a father also. Your brother ain't.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Why would you do that, John?

[Ashley Rae]

It's giving, like, mob. Like what? Right? What society?

[Lacy Mosley]

Was it like a threat? Like, I want you to know we could disappear you two, too. Like who?

[Ashley Rae]

Maybe it's like, you better take your birth control every day unless you want to get disappeared.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, personally, I'd be like, I might be into the disappearance.

[Ashley Rae]

Right. The disappearing kind of sucks.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, okay, you're gonna set me up. I wonder if. Like, how do you pick the place? Like, could I be, like, set me up in New York?

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. You have to let me disappear. To where I want to.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Could I set me up in Miami?

[Ashley Rae]

Right. I don't want to disappear to, like, Costa Rica.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. Or is she gonna be like, no.

[Ashley Rae]

It'S cute down there, but I can't disappear my whole life.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. Or she gonna be like, no, honey, all I can afford is, like, Kansas City.

[Ashley Rae]

Like. Yeah. How long is this disappear money? Are we talking, like, Arkansas?

[Lacy Mosley]

Are you. Is she adjusting for inflation over time?

[Ashley Rae]

Illinois. Can I disappear to Los Angeles? That's when you know you got money. Money.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. That's when San Francisco.

[Ashley Rae]

Can I disappear to San Francisco?

[Lacy Mosley]

There it is.

[Ashley Rae]

But, like, San Francisco proper, can I disappear to Haight Ashbury?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Like, that's what I'm looking for.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. That's busting. If that was happening now. Oh, yeah, I'm getting disappeared. I love it. So, John, over here being a hater and a little bitch, go tell the new girl about what Marcus did and disappeared his old girl. So including the part where the child is still alive and living close by. Oh, they didn't disappear very far at all. And it's being supported by their mom without Marcus knowing. Well, the new girlfriend was so angry that she told Marcus. Marcus then confronted his baby mama, and she apologized for leaving him in the dark and allowed him to get to know his child. Oh. So Marcus might be a good person. So Marcus had to have known that old girl was pregnant. Was he thinking that? Because she said that she handled it, that she terminated the pregnancy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Because if someone said to me, it's handled, I'd be like, Like.

[Ashley Rae]

But really, the mom had come to her after, like, one and a half martinis, and, you know, she was swirling around in the glass, and she. She threw a bag of money at her.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And said, you need to disappear.

[Lacy Mosley]

Stay away. Four blocks over, you know, like, at least driving distance.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, what you need to move 45 minutes away?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, what. What is the. Like, she was like, I'm not paying, you know, taxes in a different county. I guess.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. Cause I'm also trying to understand, like, we have social media at this point. Like, did Marcus not see, like, this woman with a child?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And that's it. Like, Marcus, like, you broke up with this girl and what, Just never.

[Ashley Rae]

You never stalked her? Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Never, like, checked her Instagram stories.

[Ashley Rae]

You just.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You moved on, Marcus.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, okay. Okay. Mentally stable.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. You not stalking your ass. Okay. Healthy relationship dynamic.

[Ashley Rae]

You was outside in they bushes at least one time. Ooh, you fancy. All right. The rest of us will be driving by their homes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. And I would have known she had a kid. Right. I would have definitely seen in the little playground.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? Not the little playground. This kid's definitely getting a playground. So anyway, Marcus gets to see the kid and get to know the kid. Well, about three months into Marcus getting to know his child, John is out at a bar with friends and the baby mama is out with her friends. He waves hello to her and goes on with his night. At one point, he heads back up to get another drink and overheard the baby mama telling her friend how she was able to pass off her child as Marcus's and doesn't have to worry about paying rent or half the kids expenses because his mom pays for everything and didn't even question the child being his, which the child is, is not. Wow, sistren.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[Ashley Rae]

Now, Miss Girl, which if you got.

[Lacy Mosley]

Disappear money, you got paternity test money.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, definitely. You got cheap swap money. Yeah, we all got that. You can buy one at the Walgreens.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that like, they have them a little commercials. They got them everywhere.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, what if that's like my sponsored product? Like, when I become an influencer, I sell paternity tests.

[Lacy Mosley]

I sell paternity test scam.

[Ashley Rae]

Got his paternity fest. Is he the father? Well, do you want him? We got options.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it.

[Ashley Rae]

We got real ones, we got ones.

[Lacy Mosley]

We got fake ones. You trying to scam somebody? We got you.

[Ashley Rae]

Who do you want to be your baby's father? We'll work it out for you. No, this is wild. Also, like, Miss girl, he waved to you at this bar. You saw him, you saw him. So why would you even take the.

[Lacy Mosley]

Risk of sharing the story? Like, just be like, that's my baby daddy, uncle or whatever.

[Ashley Rae]

Just like Ryan would bars are.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

She was like, yeah, girl, no, that was my baby daddy right there. He actually not the kid's father, but his mama be paying for everything. Ain't that hilarious?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, she had to be yelling this like, gather round everybody. I have something to brag about now.

[Ashley Rae]

This round on me. Cause I got that baby daddy, that fake baby daddy money.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, what like I at least thought the scam would be? Like, she did get the, like, pregnancy terminated and was just cashing these checks. No evidence of a child for years.

[Ashley Rae]

I know somewhere Maury is just shaken right now and all of the guests that he's had because do you know how many women and men have ran around the soundstage of Maury while being chased by the most excellent and athletic and Olympic camera guys you've ever seen?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Just for you to fumble a paternity bag. Like, right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like Maury would've made a two part episode out of this.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? This is absolutely upsetting. Like, the fact that no cameraman had to stretch and, you know, run every day for four hours to capture this. Like, you just let it go for free in a bar, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

You just. You just said it.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm very disappointed in you, Miss Girl. I don't even know your name. They didn't tell us in the story. So John told Marcus and my aunt what he heard. John is messy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. John. John can't hold water.

[Ashley Rae]

John and Jon is lurking list. John is behind every corner. He's behind every crevice. How does John know all the teeth? So he told his aunt and Marcus what he heard and they went to court to force a DNA test. When the child turned out not to be his, my aunt sued the baby mama for the past rent and the support she had paid and won.

[Lacy Mosley]

Whoa, okay. These are rich people. Like, I was like, I don't see how this lawsuit will work. And then if she won, like, that's like.

[Ashley Rae]

So now Marcus, not baby mama, has to not only pay back my aunt in monthly installments, but now has to fully support the child and pay rent. Long story short, don't be stupid enough to talk about your scam in a bar where someone else who's related to the people you're scamming could possibly overhear and kill your scam. Oh.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, wow. I.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[Ashley Rae]

Goth, you really came in with the heat. Garth. Garth, the tea is piping hot.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, Goth.

[Ashley Rae]

I gotta put a little milk in the tea because it's just so hot and we are British.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's too much. It's too much.

[Ashley Rae]

Jesus, it's too much. Oh, my God.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tiddlywinks. This is. Oh, my goodness.

[Ashley Rae]

What do they say? Like cry? No, that's Australian. What other, like dumb British, like, slang?

[Lacy Mosley]

Dudes, Bloody hell.

[Ashley Rae]

It's like a Pipperton. I don't know. You guys say that weird dumb stuff. But I love it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah. Love the British. Love it.

[Ashley Rae]

Shit. Make it goes bruv. Is that something? It feels like it is. Sounds right, but this is. Okay, I'm of two minds here. One, obviously we knew that the aunt was evil because she's trying to pay to disappear the kid and doesn't even want. She's evil to see it. So it doesn't surprise me that she would sue this scammer woman. But I'm thinking about the kid like you about to put this kid in poverty just because, like, you already were doing some fucked up. Auntie, Auntie. You tried to disappear a whole child.

[Lacy Mosley]

A whole child from your. Like, come on. That's a lot.

[Ashley Rae]

And didn't even tell your son.

[Lacy Mosley]

And didn't even tell him. So, like, why do you feel like you're not in the right here? Like, I would just be like, just.

[Ashley Rae]

Take your L and know that you don't have to pay money in the future.

[Lacy Mosley]

In the future. Just be like, that money's gone.

[Ashley Rae]

Because if it's suing, that's petty.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's. You got money. You got good lawyers. You can afford those hours. You don't care about billing.

[Ashley Rae]

Because when you can sue someone by just sending a text message to your team, like, hey, we need to sue her, and that's it. That's money. Okay. You don't gotta call Brian Longcar. You don't have to drive around and find a bus bench to get a lawyer at Abogado. Like, no, you got money.

[Lacy Mosley]

You didn't have to dial anybody up. They just were able to sue. I. Yeah. And, like, why would you not do a paternity? Like, and there must have been some paperwork or something being like, I'm gonna take care of this. Like, sounds like there was an agreement, some sort.

[Ashley Rae]

I mean, I feel like if she had had a better lawyer, she maybe could have won this. Cause I would have been like, I don't know if the kid is his father. This is hearsay. Like, how did you sue over hearsay? Could actually be like, I thought the kid was his.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Even with the hearsay, I had no idea.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Unless Jon was taking video in the bar, which was the type of bitch who might have.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. John pulled his phone out.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't doubt John might have had took his phone.

[Lacy Mosley]

John was recording.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. Ooh, I'm so sorry. This baby mama. Cause. But also, like, guys, that's what we always say. Make sure your scam is retired. The scam is not retired until the baby's 18.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. Keep your mouth shut. 18. You made it, right.

[Ashley Rae]

You ain't never heard a Kanye song. What did he say when they 18 and found out his ass wasn't here?

[Lacy Mosley]

18 years. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

That's when you're supposed to find out. 18 years.

[Lacy Mosley]

18 years. And then it's locked in. What they gonna do? Sue.

[Ashley Rae]

Right then that's your godfather. You love the kid anyway.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You're, like, built a little bond and stuff, right?

[Ashley Rae]

That's the homie.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, at this point, like, that. What? He knew that kid for like a week.

[Ashley Rae]

That's the issue, I think, is like, it was fresh.

[Lacy Mosley]

You gotta build the bond.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. Nah, you should have let him play catch more before you started telling your homegirls about it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly.

[Ashley Rae]

You know, let him play catch in the lawn and have him take a lot of photos and put them on Facebook. You know, really rope him in.

[Lacy Mosley]

Really rope him in with the feelings. And then have him, you know, and then he would have been like, yeah, you. I'm the dad that stepped up. You know, I don't even care if he's not mine. Right.

[Ashley Rae]

He would have made some Instagram posts like, I'm not the father. I'm the father that stepped up. Like, oh, you're right. I'm not the stepfather. I'm the father that stepped up. Yeah, but come on, you should have let him buy some T shirts off.

[Lacy Mosley]

Of goddamn Etsy little matching outfits. And then you would have had them locked in.

[Ashley Rae]

You would have had them locked in from the shame. Just like the one recruit that Ashley couldn't bring to the light who was like, no, I already told these hoes that I'm global.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm global. I'm going.

[Ashley Rae]

I'm global and I'm. I'm mobile.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I got to go.

[Ashley Rae]

I told them the closest they was gonna get to the Eiffel Tower was in Vegas. I can't go back on this.

[Lacy Mosley]

Please.

[Ashley Rae]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ashley Rae]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ashley Rae]

So a couple of days when his.

[Lacy Mosley]

Daughter moves back in. The last time you walked out that door, you looked back at me and gave me a the double bird.

[Ashley Rae]

I was 18. The double bird was how I ended all our conversations. The wheels come off. Can we try to talk to each other like rational adults?

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ashley Rae]

And we are back. And I have to tell you, I had to tell you before the break because I didn't want you to play. Listen to them damn ass. Okay, but why we're here, and if you know, you know, you knew that this is why we're getting here, which is why I feel like I had to tease it out. Like a good 30 minutes of waiting.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? Yeah. Cause you know. You know I'm here.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know the scammer that I study. Oh, that I.

[Ashley Rae]

That we both have. This man can take a piss without me hearing about it, Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, he does anything. People are tagging me, sending it to me. Like, he blocked me on all platforms.

[Ashley Rae]

Same. And I was like, I have never tagged this man. Why have I blocked on all of the platforms?

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like. And then I was like, no, he's thorough.

[Ashley Rae]

He is. And I'm not mad at him for that because, look, y'all were the reason y'all kept tagging the episode. Y'all kept tagging him, kept tagging him. And so this is obviously where we were gonna end up. So before we start this. This beautiful update about Shaun King, there's also been an update in his nicknames. We have over 40 now, and I just. I think we have to reprise them, because they're just very good.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. What do we. What do we have now?

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, here we go. I'm gonna need some music behind this. Marina. Give me something that feels African.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's very black power.

[Ashley Rae]

Something very black. Give me lift every voice and sing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's no licensing on that. Give me lift every voice and sing. Okay, okay. I'm hearing it in my head. So, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Can we get the Blue Ivy version?

[Ashley Rae]

Here we go. Yes. Talcum X Thurgood. Partial. W, E B DeBlanco. Martin Luther. Kreme Hewlett P. Newton. Project Douglas. Maya Angelou Stevia Wonder. Samuel L. Jackson. Honky Kong.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Ashley Rae]

Snow J. Simpson. Jaleel White. Bet He White. Thurgood Marshmallow. Oh. Richard Dolezal. Whack Panther Ghost Malone. Martin Luther Keyboard. Iggy Palia, Chalka Contechalka, Pale Revere, Powder Ranger, Harriet Topman, Nelson Maniello. Stevie Wonder Bread. Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Tupac Sugar Cooker T. Washington. Oh, God. Milk Chamberlain. Go Fund Me. Washington Garver Re. Oh, damn. I can't even keep the beat anymore. Reverend Jesse Fraction. Django Uncolored. Count Chalka, James Pearl Jones, Alexander Skelton, Albino Sharpton, Blankston Hughes. Neil Degrassi, you white son. Tobe Bro Winfrey. Louis Farraskin, Samuel L. Non Blackson. James Fraud win.

[Lacy Mosley]

I can't even pick a favorite. Neil Degrassi, you white son.

[Ashley Rae]

You white son.

[Lacy Mosley]

Because I was just like you. That's not. You just had wanted to say it like. That's not even a pun.

[Ashley Rae]

That's not even a pun. I'm sorry. Honky Kong got me. I was like, where does come from? Oh no. Ernest Owens, shout out to you for compiling all of the names Mr. Ernest Owens on Twitter. But we've heard a lot of them. But 40. We got 40 now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

So if you don't know about Sean King, I highly encourage you to listen to the original episode of this that Ashley Ray and I did. Also. Is that still up on your Patreon the.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. And actually I put it on YouTube so everyone can see it. Now I did a 30 minute PowerPoint presentation on Sean King being a scammer and all of his scams.

[Ashley Rae]

It's absolutely, absolutely riveting. It's beautiful. So we have a content warning up top here. There is a mention of victims who have died at the hands of police violence like Tamir Rice who is a 12 year old who has gone down when he was playing with a toy. There's also a mention of stolen photos of deceased black artists used for fake Twitter profiles. We just wanna put that up top. Obviously we're not here to make fun of the oppression that we both very much experience as African Americans in this society. But we will make fun of the man who has decided to profit on this.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's making money off of it. Ok. His fault.

[Ashley Rae]

We're blaming him.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay? We, we didn't want to have to do this.

[Ashley Rae]

We didn't. We truly didn't. So American civil rights activist, put some quotes around that writer. More quotes.

[Lacy Mosley]

More quote. Yeah, yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And company founder, even more quotes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, I guess he did.

[Ashley Rae]

Did he find, did he find a company?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean I. I guess North Star, the substack.

[Ashley Rae]

He definitely had a website.

[Lacy Mosley]

There was a website, so that's pretty legit.

[Ashley Rae]

Danica knows who he is.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So I.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, of believing websites, I maybe got to stand by him.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? You got to stand beside him a little bit. So Jeffrey, Sean King has been back at it again with new attempts to earn money from his supporters. This time it's taken the form of a potentially fraudulent clothing company and a donation scheme to pay for his new house.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now, like clothing that is like freedom Fashions. Like, fashion is the biggest scam. Like, I feel like if you're going to do a T shirt that's like, just put a sign on. It's like, I'm a scammer. Like, fashion.

[Ashley Rae]

That's a scam. Come on, listen. Oppression.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oppression.

[Ashley Rae]

Merch. Okay, she in. But for.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, you know, for your protester in your life.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, like, how do you go from, like, I'm going to make a media organization that's, like, going to bring down CNN and FOX to. I got some T shirts in my trunk, y'all.

[Ashley Rae]

Listen, we got anti police department drip. Okay. Do you. Okay, yeah. You believe Black Lives Matter, but do you.

[Lacy Mosley]

But do you have it on a T shirt?

[Ashley Rae]

Right? Are you wearing it?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, so how do we know? How do we know?

[Ashley Rae]

Is it across your chest?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, no, we need to know.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, you need to have the fits.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And Sean saw that need. He saw that need for.

[Ashley Rae]

He's like, I got a Black Lives Matter matching sets.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yep. Hoodies, T shirts.

[Ashley Rae]

I got you the B's on the front, the L's on the leg, the M is on the back.

[Lacy Mosley]

The M's on the back.

[Ashley Rae]

You gotta spin around real quick. And then everybody see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's got hands up, don't shoot gloves. This says don't shoot on each hand. You know, like, why not? No, I'm kidding. These are not things that he's actually made. But he does make insane things.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

So list of new names. Okay, wait, so there's a couple names that we missed that Caitlyn actually added to this episode. So I'm just going to read the ones that we missed in our Beautiful Thing, because why not? Right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Please.

[Ashley Rae]

Calvin Crime, which. That's from his new fashion line, of course. And then I think I got the rest of these. Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did you get Whack Panther?

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, and Busta Crimes. We did say Whack Panther. So we didn't have Calvin Crime, which is beautiful because we're talking about his. His label right now. And Busta Crimes and. Oh, and Ghost Malone. Y'all are disrespectious.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that kind of just sounds mean to pose. Malone. That's just a white boy. What do you do?

[Ashley Rae]

A lot of tattoos. You know, he looks like he may. He bathes some.

[Lacy Mosley]

He doesn't even try to act black. He's just like, no, I'm a gross white man. I'm doing my thing.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? And he's. He said he looks sweet. I bet He's a nice guy. You know, you don't have to. You know people.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why is he in it?

[Ashley Rae]

I don't know. Yeah. So the T shirt scam. In August 2021, Shawn King made an announcement that he would be launching a new fashion line with exclusive merchandise. The fashion line. A real one. I love that. Because we know Sean is a fake one.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, but that's. But that's how you know. That's how you know it's not a scam. It's a real one.

[Ashley Rae]

He called Definitely not crime.

[Lacy Mosley]

Definitely not fake. A real one.

[Ashley Rae]

When you buy stuff from me, you definitely going to get it in the mail.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Like you going to get a real one in the mail. I promise. It's also funny cuz when you type it out, I was like, it's like r. Alone. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Like ro.

[Lacy Mosley]

Cuz like, it's all one thing. And I was like, are alone. Like. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

You are going to be alone when I ditch.

[Lacy Mosley]

When I ditch you because you don't have your T shirt.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. You are alone in getting the refund.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

I. I love that. The honesty. So it consists of plain colored hoodies and T shirts. Initially, the biggest problem was that the company was simply too expensive for what it was. For example, a plain hoodie goes for $150 and another. And let's see this plain hoodie. Now what? Now what do we get? Can we zoom in on this hoodie? What's it say on the. On that little corner over there? Does it say. Is it like a revolution will not be televised? It will be on a hoodie.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's like a little sticker that's like, this cotton legitimately came from Africa.

[Ashley Rae]

Right. The revolution will be on a hoodie. Yeah. Okay. I can't see what it says. I'm guessing it's just a brand, because it doesn't seem like it's. Yeah, it's just the brand. That's what we're getting. So the low. The Aro logo, that's when you really want to let people know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

That you gave Sean King your money.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And you don't even. You just go aro. Because they know, Right?

[Ashley Rae]

They know.

[Lacy Mosley]

They just know.

[Ashley Rae]

It's like, surprise.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, you know, freedom.

[Ashley Rae]

Them fashions that goes for $165. And it's a plain black. And a plain black tee costs around $49. Giving American Apparel.

[Lacy Mosley]

It really is.

[Ashley Rae]

Did y'all make this in America? Like, this better become like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, how is this so much money, Sean?

[Ashley Rae]

Also, the models that he has. Let's look at them real quick. These are.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I.

[Ashley Rae]

And also.

[Lacy Mosley]

So this. Wait, this is first, let me look.

[Ashley Rae]

At the models before we get into.

[Lacy Mosley]

This, because I was like, we're going to need to have a whole moment about that shit.

[Ashley Rae]

Bernice Burgos.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know who that is.

[Ashley Rae]

That looks like Britney. Is she wearing handcuffs? Wait a. Scroll back up, Amelia. One second.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Cause I want to believe he found stock photos in these.

[Ashley Rae]

Go down a little bit. Is that a bracelet or is she.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wearing bracelets or her puffs? It like looks like a leather piece. Like it goes around.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't know what that is. Well, anyway, he's got some beautiful brown skinned black people. There's a beautiful black woman here with like, just like the most gorgeous baby hairs.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they look, they just look so empowered.

[Ashley Rae]

They look very King wears and moisturized and free. Yes, you look very free. This is what I imagine what we look like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Probably what Sean King wants to see when he looks in the mirror.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, Lord Jesus. So before we get into this further, let's look at this one T shirt here. There's. I believe there's a T shirt with Sean and we'll put this on the Instagram page, but there's a shirt here with Shawn King's face smoking weed. Is that what he's smoking?

[Lacy Mosley]

He's smoking weed? It's like when you, like when you read the story behind this shirt, it's literally like a photo of. Of him at a Bernie Sanders show.

[Ashley Rae]

No, Bernie Sanders. You know, Bernie be doing.

[Lacy Mosley]

Honestly, the way Bernie was running around with Sean King, it should have just been called a show. Like, what were you doing with him? You know? And Sean, like, has a whole story. He's like, yeah, I was hanging out with Bernie and then Killer Mike came over and was like, you want to smoke weed?

[Ashley Rae]

Killer Mike is always in some shit that he don't need to be like.

[Lacy Mosley]

What are you doing, Killer Mike?

[Ashley Rae]

Why are you giving shit? Press conferences in Atlanta with Keisha Lance Bottoms talking about we need to protect the Prada store or the Dior store.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. Like, of course you're gonna give Shaun King some weed. And apparently, according to Shawn, it was such a cool moment, he couldn't pass it up.

[Ashley Rae]

So is he trying to say he doesn't really do weeds?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, he literally, like, literally. He's just like, I don't normally do this, but it was so cool. And then he is now selling it.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't smoke the devil's lettuce. But when Bernie Sanders and Killer Mike.

[Lacy Mosley]

Offer you some of that wheat. You gotta do it.

[Ashley Rae]

That dungeon. You gotta take a puff or two. He's giving us the Bill Clinton. He didn't inhale, so I mean, and.

[Lacy Mosley]

It does look like he's. Because it's literally like he is like keeping it as far from his lips. It is the most awkward photo of someone smoking weed I have ever seen. And he's selling this for like 160something dollars on a shirt.

[Ashley Rae]

Now, as someone who's put my face on a T shirt and sold it for money, I was gonna say it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Does say sold out. This shirt is sold out.

[Ashley Rae]

I kind of want it ironically. I would do, but like, we should have it.

[Lacy Mosley]

I would absolutely buy it. I hate that. I hate that I would.

[Ashley Rae]

I need it ironically. It's like when you go to Coachell a dare shirt. Like, I need it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I need.

[Ashley Rae]

I let that lion down so many times. Fudge that lion.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, look at his face. Like the way he's just like.

[Ashley Rae]

It's so.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's trying to push the joint away with his lips instead of inhaling it.

[Ashley Rae]

It's definitely giving, like, I'll have one weed, please.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like one fellow kids dope.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, let me get tick tock. Let me get some of those marijuana pills. Definitely giving that.

[Lacy Mosley]

And how. But this is how you know he's a real one.

[Ashley Rae]

Because I just don't think you can put yourself on a shirt looking cool. Like, I'm on a shirt just like as a merch thing that I is branding all over. But I don't know if I could put myself on a shirt smoking weed and be like, yeah, buy this shirt of me.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I, I'm like famous for smoking weed. And I don't think I could do like, what, what do you want that for? That's.

[Ashley Rae]

I mean, you could, but I feel like you have to let somebody else do it so you can be like, oh, that's nice.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, someone else has to be like, we respect you as like a, a stoner legend.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, I feel like Bob Marley wasn't like, okay, now can we get me on some T shirts?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right?

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, Peace and love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rastafari. Can we get me on what's the merchandise looking like?

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, but for Shawn to be like, okay, my clothing line is about black liberation. And you know what? They need me smoking weed.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, that's black liberation. A very, very fair skinned black man who's definitely black. Smoking weed, definitely black. That's liberation to me. That's what I think about. So let's get into this here a little bit. Despite his claims, Sean is not the first fashion company to sell black owned T shirts and hoodies made in Africa. Well, of course, two other companies, Kpepo Clothing and Seed2Shirt, have on the same business model for years. But the videos Sean shared on his Instagram showing where his shirts were being sewn in Africa were actually taken from k people clothing YouTube channel. So he went and went to their YouTube channel.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yep. He went to their YouTube channel.

[Ashley Rae]

He sent his screen record.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yep.

[Ashley Rae]

And then he went and put that on his Instagram and acted like it was his.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was his. And put it on his website, which I trust websites. And he puts this fake video on there. I was like, oh, Shawn's really doing it. He really went to the motherland and got the. The cotton.

[Ashley Rae]

And no, we've never seen this man in our lives. We don't know who.

[Lacy Mosley]

Who is this, like, so.

[Ashley Rae]

But the videos Sean shared obviously are not his. Right. Other photos on the ARO website were found to have also been taken from a BCI or better cotton initiative featured on Tatajiri about women's economic empowerment in Mali, and a Gatsby foundation report on the Tanzanian cotton and textile sector. So he's taking all of this information from other legitimate websites.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And I mean, one thing I will say about Sean King that he's always been really, really good at and why it's so hard to deplatform him.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Is he's a curator.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

So he may not actually create any of this content. It may not be his brainchild. He may not have the, you know, pedagogy or the education that we think he does. But he's very good at bringing everything that's happening with race relations into one.

[Lacy Mosley]

Stop shop and making it just so easy and believable for palatable. Yeah. For white people. Yeah. It's like, oh, of course this is legit. Like, he. It's on the we. He did the research. Like, why would I question this?

[Ashley Rae]

That's why it's hard for them to let him go. They're like, you telling me that I got to get rid of my racial media takeout. Like, I can't. What, I can't go to the race room and just catch up on what's going on with the blacks.

[Lacy Mosley]

Are you telling me that just wearing a shirt that says a real one is not the change this country needs?

[Ashley Rae]

And some of the money from the shirt going to the people, to the marches. I don't know where.

[Lacy Mosley]

Somewhere. I don't pepper sprays. I don't even think Sean still does the march. That was another way when he was like, I'm going to start a thing where I bus people to vote. And we never saw a single bus. We never saw a bus.

[Ashley Rae]

I said, I'm gonna be Ms. Frizzle. And we were like, well, where the bus?

[Lacy Mosley]

Where the bus Any? Nope.

[Ashley Rae]

Damn. So when representative of the Gatsby foundation was contacted, they replied and said, we do not have any affiliation with a real one clothing or Shawn King. So it's a surprise to see an image of our cotton program being used on the website. They said we don't know him. We have never met Jeffrey. That's his real name. His name is Jeffrey. Why he not going by Jeffrey?

[Lacy Mosley]

Cause you know that's it's a white name, right?

[Ashley Rae]

It's not giving enough.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sean though. He's like, yeah, Sean, Sean, yeah, Sean is giving like, yeah, that's a light skinned name.

[Ashley Rae]

I put garlic powder and onion powder on everything. Yeah, yeah, Sean is.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sean is.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

But Jeffrey, people be like, nah man, like Jeffrey.

[Ashley Rae]

What's going on? We're curious. So additionally, it appears that the company may have also lied about its certifications. A real one is not listed on the Fairwear Partnership for Sustainable Textiles nor canopy websites which they were saying they had, you know, they were members of. They were like, oh, we're part.

[Lacy Mosley]

We did it. We did.

[Ashley Rae]

We're with the textile girlies. We're getting made in Africa.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like literally Shawn is just claiming all these people. Shawn is just like, yeah, they with me. They like me. All these people like me. This will never come back to bite me in the ass.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? It's like before any shirt gets mailed out, we have Tim's try it on and sing to it. It's very definitely from Africa.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, very African.

[Ashley Rae]

So the company O E K O text certification is shared as being under textile maker Mantis World, an English company with one production facility in Tanzania. So the company that he's using does have one production facility in Tanzania. So he technically didn't lie about that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Ashley Rae]

So the company itself is product testing system that certifies and provides labels to prove the safety of textile and textile products. Either the certification is not valid or a real one is using non black owned companies to make its product. Well, the Mantis World is owned by Indian CEO Prama Bawardi. That's. I mean it's not black.

[Lacy Mosley]

But when is not being black ever stop? Shaun King.

[Ashley Rae]

That's like, you can't let things like your race get in the way.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You can't make something like, I promised everybody I would get this, you know, from a black company and, you know, not do it. That's just, you know, Vibes are still.

[Ashley Rae]

Black company, according to one commenter. It's like they just Googled all the best certifications to have and then photoshopped them all together into the site to make themselves look, he's a curator.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, he's a curator. He literally is like, these are the people. Like, you know, the hippie people. These are the ones they'll check for. We got it right.

[Ashley Rae]

He's like, this is the girls y'all want to see to make you feel good. Like, you're doing something good for the environment in the community, and you're not.

[Lacy Mosley]

Going to look up, you're not going to go check it out, be like, let me see the actual certificate. No.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, you're going to trust the vibes, guys. This is going to be a long one. Wowzers. So as of July 11, there haven't been any updates or further announcements regarding the development of the company since October 2021, however, thousands of customers have placed orders, and according to Newsweek, not all have received them.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. I'm shocked. Sean King said he would deliver a product and didn't deliver it.

[Ashley Rae]

Wowzers. That's what flummoxed.

[Lacy Mosley]

What?

[Ashley Rae]

Golly gee willikers.

[Lacy Mosley]

As someone who is still waiting on my book from him that I assume it'll come at the same time as a T shirt.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, it will. I. What's so beautiful about this is, like, technically, like, scammers like Sean, I think are so brilliant because they'll probably never go to jail or face any real legal consequences because, like, what they get out of it with is always like, oh, I thought I could run this company, but then I realized it was way harder than I thought. I'm so sorry.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do you guys want me to give.

[Ashley Rae]

You my money back?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Making T shirts is so hard. I'm just a good person who tried.

[Ashley Rae]

I tried. No, your T shirts in the mail just like, keep waiting for it. It's been a year, and then people.

[Lacy Mosley]

Are just like, well, I feel bad for you. Just keep the money.

[Ashley Rae]

Right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Like, in the end, you're doing something good. Just keep the money.

[Ashley Rae]

Literally, it's like everyone's like, you keep the money. He's like, thank you. Thank you so much. It's just me, a little Jeffrey, Sean King, just buying up multiple houses, being very black. So Many social media users have taken to platforms to talk about their experience of either never receiving their order or their order being incorrect and never receiving an exchange or not being able to contact the company at all.

[Lacy Mosley]

You say you're gonna be alone. It's our alone.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, you're alone in this fight. Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Also, we Vibes, bro. Like, companies can just be vibes. Companies can be a gust of wind.

[Lacy Mosley]

What, you thought we'd have customer service? We're doing this out of Shawn King's garage, like, now.

[Ashley Rae]

This is. This is called grassroots.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, what were you expecting?

[Ashley Rae]

Like, you don't expect this much of grass. Why do you expect this much from me?

[Lacy Mosley]

Sh.

[Ashley Rae]

King.

[Lacy Mosley]

And this is actually how I found out. Like, Shan King didn't just block me from his personal accounts. He did block me from this fashion account, too, because I was trying to see people's comments. Like, I didn't get my order, and I was 100% blocked.

[Ashley Rae]

Way I have to see if I'm blocked. It's called aro.

[Lacy Mosley]

A real one. That's. The Instagram is just a real one. All.

[Ashley Rae]

How did he get that handle?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right?

[Ashley Rae]

I feel like somebody. Somebody would have had a real one by. By then, you know?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I'm sure he pays somebody off.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? Maybe he bought it from someone. We'll see. I'll keep as this loads.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'll say. That's how I found out, because people were like, I'm not getting my orders. And I saw it on Twitter, and I was like, oh, let me check out the Instagram. And I was like, the whole Instagram is gone. Of course this is a scam. He deleted the whole Instagra. And people were like, no, girl, you're blocked. They're like, it's coming up for me. You're blocked, honey.

[Ashley Rae]

I want to know if they've been that thorough. If he's been that thorough with me.

[Lacy Mosley]

He had to have been.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, but maybe not. That would be really.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're getting blocked from every new scam account he creates.

[Ashley Rae]

Damn it. I want to know. Come on, Sean. We just want to be entertained. So, in a statement subsequently released by Sean in May, he claims that the normal phone number and email address errors accounted for the missing orders and that every One of the 3,500 orders was indeed shipped out. That's a lot of money. If things are like 50 to $165 and there's 3,500 people who've purchased it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And come on, everybody's getting that shirt of him smoking weed and that was the most expensive thing, right?

[Ashley Rae]

So it's like, that's. And now that was sold out, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And multiple colors sold out. Like, people were like, I. I need multiples of this.

[Ashley Rae]

So at Most, he scammed $577,000 around there. If everyone bought the most expensive thing, which obviously can't be the case. So we'll say half a million to. To 170. $180,000. So it's probably somewhere in between there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. That's wild. He also claimed two people replied saying they wanted exchanges or refunds for orders that they had trouble with. 2. Feels like more than 2. But also, this is all alleged. I don't know how much money you made from this T shirt company, and I don't know how many people actually got their T shirt child. And I probably never will. Damn. I would.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't think we ever will. Yeah, Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

I get no results.

[Lacy Mosley]

I had.

[Ashley Rae]

You're.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're blocked.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

I had to, like, log into a burner account. Like, have a burner. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, I'm gonna check a burner.

[Lacy Mosley]

I literally had to pull into another one, and then, like, look at it. And then it's just all these people who are, like, ordered my shirt about a year ago. Sean. Not a year when you think I'll see it. Like, I'm still waiting on that.

[Ashley Rae]

When we see freedom, when black people are finally free, that's. The shirt is a protest.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, the shirt is protest.

[Ashley Rae]

The shirt is a protest. And so until we are no longer being oppressed by the state, you will not get the shirt.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's.

[Ashley Rae]

That makes sense to me.

[Lacy Mosley]

That does make sense, actually.

[Ashley Rae]

Sean, Go with that. Damn. It came up on my burner. Damn, I'm blocked.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know how much of a scammer you have to be to block us from your clothing line?

[Ashley Rae]

He said, y'all not getting away with none of my bags.

[Lacy Mosley]

None of my bags. I'm not messing up my money this time.

[Ashley Rae]

He says, step one, block these bitches from everything else that. That I do. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. No, now I can see it. Now I can see a real one. Clothing. And let's see. Are there comments turned on? Oh, yes, they are. Paid 50.

[Lacy Mosley]

Ordered a T shirt.

[Ashley Rae]

Two months later, nothing. Warehouse printed a label and nothing else. Customer service has been horrible. No desire to find any solution or fix anything. Can barely get them to answer my email. This is a terrible showing me and comp. I know companies have hiccups. That's to be accepted, but this Isn't a hiccup. It speaks on a poorly run organization.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sean King running a poorly organized organization. What?

[Ashley Rae]

Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sir John King.

[Ashley Rae]

Now I'm seeing I'm tagged over here. Scam goddess, Please feature this guy. I would never see this because I'm blocked. You're blocked?

[Lacy Mosley]

People are trying to tell you, I love that he blocked you because people are just tagging you.

[Ashley Rae]

They're like, bitch, come over here. He had it again. He's like, oh, no, I'm not letting it happen again. Right from the nice scam, bro. I wish I could do nothing but grift. Keep up the hustle. Wow. So many hurt people in the comments. Must be easy to anonymously troll a company. A man you know nothing about. Ooh, this person likes them. Because you believe what MSM tells you. What is msm? Msnbc maybe?

[Lacy Mosley]

Msnbc.

[Ashley Rae]

Suddenly you all claim to have ethics. I wonder how many of you are trolling companies like H and M and Amazon and Apple and Nike for their poor labor practices. Yep. Don't think so.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, so is that person basically like, I know he might be lying and using like, slave labor to make these shirts, but who cares?

[Ashley Rae]

This is a Sean King Stan. Oh my gosh. Oh, then they fighting her and calling her Karen. Hilarious.

[Lacy Mosley]

Of course, there's so the Shawn King Stans. They. They hold down for him. They like, I still get messages that are just like, you are destroying our next Martin Luther King.

[Ashley Rae]

Like our next Martin Luther King. Wowzers. That's shocking. So before this episode is 5 hours. Listen. Multiple customers responded that their orders had never shipped. They said they didn't get any tracking information they couldn't get a hold of. I just read some customers who were posted on social media saying that they didn't get anything. Some customers posted on social media claiming that the product that they received looks nothing like the product online and that they had no tags, no marking of its organic or original.

[Lacy Mosley]

Because he went and got those shirts from Gildan and had to cut the tags off.

[Ashley Rae]

Imagine you get like a fucking gilded cotton hoodie and it's just like jaggedly cut on the inside. King. Ara.

[Lacy Mosley]

A real one.

[Ashley Rae]

A real one. It says Gildan under there. Yeah, a real Gildan.

[Lacy Mosley]

A real Gildan one.

[Ashley Rae]

That's our. That's our. You know how Isaac Mizrahi got his brand for Target? That's our brand.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's us. A real one for Gildan.

[Ashley Rae]

For Gildan, yes. So Ara's. Their site is still up and many products are sold out and it's still fully selling merchandise. You can make purchases right now. So we're looking at a comment here that I haven't seen on the. On the Instagram that I'm blocked on. It says, sweatshirt looks nothing like photo. No tags anywhere. On the inside, the collar, the sleeve, like the photos or the inside. Nothing confirming it's organic cotton. Because it isn't. It's a poly cotton blend. Reached out for a return. And crickets. I bought my sweatshirt in October. Wanted to support so badly, and I feel ripped off.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, girl.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, girl. Now, what did you want to support here? Exactly Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

What were you supporting with this T shirt? What did you think?

[Ashley Rae]

It's also like, there's nothing on it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

So it's not like you would buy it, and people would be like, oh, she bought somewhere.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, she's supporting a good dollar. No, people would just be like, who is that white man smoking a joint on your shirt? Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, girl, I. I want to be sorry for you, but now black women tried to tell you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

So Sean's lavish lake house. Let's move on to another grift. And where's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Where's all this money going to? What is Sean doing with it?

[Ashley Rae]

Right. In the same August 2021 announcement of a. Sean also made a call for donations for his family's new home. Wow. I need to start making calls for donations for my new home. I didn't know that was something you could do.

[Lacy Mosley]

I didn't know that. I didn't know I could just be like, hey, y'all, I'm trying to purchase.

[Ashley Rae]

A home with my own money.

[Lacy Mosley]

With my own money. Right. I didn't know this was an option.

[Ashley Rae]

Let me start my gofundme. Lacey Mosley, a millennial who's been crushed by the economic situation.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you got T shirts.

[Ashley Rae]

I got T shirts.

[Lacy Mosley]

You got T shirts.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. And I'm like, and she's black, and she's very queer, and she just needs you to buy her a home and just buy Lacey's gay ass a.

[Lacy Mosley]

A home, please. If Shaun King can have people buy him a home, please.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? Now, listen, if you need to do a GoFundMe because you are in circumstances or a part of a demographic that is, like, marginalized, that's absolutely understandable. But if you happen to be somebody who's acquired enough privilege, even if you have these circumstances, you know, surrounding your identity, you should not be asking people to buy you a home.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. This is Sean King. Susan Sarandon gave him, like, a $500,000 check one time. Like, we don't need to help him.

[Ashley Rae]

Please, Susie.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, I'm sure he can sell that award Rihanna gave him and buy.

[Ashley Rae]

A house, the Diamond Ball. Susie. Susie. Serena, if you out there, call me. I would like to be sponsored next. Give me half a million dollars for this.

[Lacy Mosley]

If you're a white person who's giving Shaun King money, give us money.

[Ashley Rae]

Give us money.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's how you can even it out.

[Ashley Rae]

For various black things. That's what you can write in the byline of the check things. And I will do it. I will do all the black things that you need. Okay? So at the time, the family had recently moved into a luxury apartment in Brooklyn. And then they moved to a five bedroom, 3,000 square foot lakefront North Brunswick, New Jersey home that they bought for about $842,000, which is like, holy shit. Like, that's actually so cheap, because in la, like, that won't get you a condo. Right? But wow. Okay, so we're looking at this house. I don't love the outside, but not.

[Lacy Mosley]

Loving it if, you know, it feels.

[Ashley Rae]

We need to do some remodeling.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I like the stone work. I'd redo this, like, beige stuff.

[Ashley Rae]

It's giving Hansel and Gretel. You know what I mean? Like, it's, you know, know, But I get it. So when people learned that he had bought the home, many wondered where the near $1 million came from, with many believing it came from donation funds.

[Lacy Mosley]

What?

[Ashley Rae]

Sean's addresses were spread across new outlets, which he alleged, like, prompted harassment of him and his family and was the reason why they had to move. So he was like, I got docs. This all we had to move from our luxury apartment to this really nice luxury home. And if you donate to me, then you need me to stay alive and not be docs, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

So.

[Ashley Rae]

So that mean you need me to have a new phone and a neutral bullet in the air fryer.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? And. But who is doxxing Shaun King? He just some black people were trying to, once again, tell people what my deal is.

[Ashley Rae]

Right? It's not called doxxing when we tell them that you're a criminal, Shawn. Doxxing is when we give out your address and your phone number, right? We were like, shawn, where'd the money go? They're like, she tried to doxx me.

[Lacy Mosley]

She did doxxing me.

[Ashley Rae]

She tried to doxx me, y'all. Help me buy a home.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay? Like, that's not how doxxing her. That's not it, Shawn.

[Ashley Rae]

Sean, you are Hilarious. You always be cracking me up. You so crazy. So after the allegation, Sean posted on Twitter that his wife had bought the home after working hard for 20 years. She got a literal FHA loan to purchase it. I'm not even on the loan. So now he's blaming on his very black wife.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. I just want to point out her job is working for him.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. And also being black.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And being black. Like, she. She has worked for him at his church, at his. At north star, like, for 20 years.

[Ashley Rae]

So she's his employer.

[Lacy Mosley]

Basically, he's saying, she has helped me with the scam for 20, and so she bought me a house.

[Ashley Rae]

If you gonna marry a criminal, be a part of the business.

[Lacy Mosley]

Part of it. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. I like to see a supportive relationship.

[Lacy Mosley]

Honestly, I'm here to say that's why that was always my problem with Skylar on Breaking Bad. Like, just get with it, honey.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah. It took her way too. And I didn't like that how they wrote her like that. Cause I'm like, women are not just here to get in the way and be annoying or support you. Like, she could have been out here chopping up the meth bricks with everybody.

[Lacy Mosley]

You can do the work, just like Shaun King's wife.

[Ashley Rae]

Right. And listen, Shaun King's wife is ten toes down, okay? She is rioting and most certainly dying. Just a month before Sean announced they were moving, he was on a social media sabbatical and four week Caribbean family vacation, posting on Facebook, asking for Venmo donations for his wife. So he's off of social media.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

He's also on a month long Caribbean vacation.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Which is something that, you know, you do when you're having money issues.

[Ashley Rae]

He's also on Facebook asking for Venmo donation donations for his wife. Now, Venmo donations are interesting because it's not like GoFundMe, where if the legitimacy is not there, GoFundMe can kind of.

[Lacy Mosley]

Be like taking it back or refund everybody. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Venmo is like, we've been it and we are not in it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Venmo is just like, you send the money, it's gone. They have it.

[Ashley Rae]

Our name is Wes, and we are not in the mess. You can't get that money back.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I'm sure Sean was like, just, you know, put an emoji in it so we don't get taxed on that either. I don't gotta record it.

[Ashley Rae]

Don't say what it's for. Don't say it's for freedom. Okay. Just say, like, Like a restaurant emoji so they don't be paying me back.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, oh, dinner, you know?

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, we all went to dinner with Shaun King.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, every single one of us of my fans.

[Ashley Rae]

And we have the post here. This is from Jeffrey. He says, hey, Facebook, could you please consider sending Ray a small gift on Cash App or Venmo? It would really surprise her and alleviate some of the pressure as she has less than two years left of school. Her Cash app is Rae King. Her Venmo is Ray Tonika King. Love and appreciat. We love you, Ray. Shawn.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, Shawn, why aren't you helping your wife through her last two years of school, Shawn? Why is that my job, Sean?

[Ashley Rae]

Hey, y'all. Can y'all help me? My wife.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why is that on the Internet, Shawn?

[Ashley Rae]

Go talk to your wife's joint bank account. Right? Like, this bank account is definitely going. He, like, don't look at that routed number. Yeah, it says Jeffrey Sean King. But no, it's going to my wife. Yeah, it'll eventually get to my wife. We got a joy card.

[Lacy Mosley]

What alleviates some pressure.

[Ashley Rae]

What is the pressure?

[Lacy Mosley]

I thought she was working with you for 20 years, Shawn.

[Ashley Rae]

This is also very. What's the pressure that she has? She has less than two years left of school. What does that have to do with anything?

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? Because that means she's not even paying the loans back yet. Like, you're still in school. You don't got the. You aren't paying the loans yet.

[Ashley Rae]

And I love this because it's such a textbook lying thing where you just give people random details and facts, and then they're supposed to believe that you're telling the truth.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're just like, oh, yeah, school is hard. Of course.

[Ashley Rae]

Right, because you can't even tell us what kind of pressure she got on her.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, she needs to buy some books.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, y'all send Ray money. Because times are hard and we are in unprecedented circumstances. And she's also in school.

[Lacy Mosley]

And, you know, school support. A smart black woman in school.

[Ashley Rae]

She only got two years left of education. And will she make it? I don't know. Without your donation.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Cause I'm not helping her.

[Ashley Rae]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

I keep all that T shirt money to myself.

[Ashley Rae]

We ain't got no T shirt money for Ray. She on her own.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay?

[Ashley Rae]

Y'all help her out. So, yeah, he's out here begging for money, which is what he loves to do. After announcing the move, Sean updated his Instagram bio to read help our family move with this list of different ways to send money Though he alleges that his first home was not paid for with donations, his second home was definitely about to be. Sean, this is just so audacious. Like, why do you think that you can ask people to help you move?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I don't understand. Like, that is the gumption of a white man. Come on. Just like. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, we do not. We don't need to help you move, sir. Like, they got companies for that. You got to call them. Like, no. So Meanwhile, he somehow found the time and the money in the middle of an extended Caribbean vacation while having to move houses to launch this fashion company. So this is while he is moving on Caribbean vacation. Also getting donations for his wife who's in school during. And has circumstances.

[Lacy Mosley]

Has circumstances.

[Ashley Rae]

And he's also like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And he's being doxed. He's dealing with Calvin crime. Yeah, Calvin. He's dealing with this stress. And he goes, you know what? We need a T shirt company.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, Jeffrey. So we're gonna get into Samira Rice here. It's gonna be a little bit of a longer one. I know you guys have been waiting for it. Do you know what? There's something that I'm not seeing here in this research that we have to pull over and talk about before I go into Samira Rice, and that is, remember when Chadwick Boseman passed away?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Oh, my God, yes.

[Ashley Rae]

And rest in peace, Chadwick Boseman. Such an icon, such a talent that destroyed me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Destroy me. I was crying all weekend.

[Ashley Rae]

I only met him once, and he was so fucking sweet. And at the time, he was battling cancer. I had no idea. And it wasn't even. I wouldn't even say. It was like, a meeting. It was literally like he had come to a UCB show, and I was leaving, like, performing in the show, and I saw. Saw him on the street. And you know when you can tell that someone realizes that they're being recognized? And so I could see him, like, gearing up to, like, do the Wakanda forever and probably take a picture or something. Cause, you know, we made eye contact, and I was like, I'm not gonna do that for some reason. I was just like, I'm not gonna bother this man. I just gave him, like, a little black girl head nod, and he, like, head nodded me back. And I was like, have a good night. And he's like, you, too. That was it. And then. And. And at this time, I hadn't. And it was like, very shortly after that, he passed away. I had no idea.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And so it really, like, broke my Heart. Cause I wanted, I always wanted to work with him one day.

[Lacy Mosley]

Such a sweet person. I think everyone, when they found out was just like, I just. You had to stop what you were doing and like, really an ugly cry. Ugly cry.

[Ashley Rae]

Me and Naomi Ek Perrigan, like got on the phone and ugly cried.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like it was, I was like calling my relatives, like my nieces and nephews, like, of course they were obsessed with him and Black Panther and that's I think, where most of us were. But not Shaun King.

[Ashley Rae]

Not Shaun King.

[Lacy Mosley]

That was not Shaun King's state of mind.

[Ashley Rae]

Shaun King decided to send an email, an electronic mail.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, Blast News little newsletter out to.

[Ashley Rae]

All of his supporters. The email reads, hello my friend, it's me. Definitely black Sean King. I added that in. It says, I hope that you are hanging in there. Yesterday I sent an email checking in on everybody. And just a few hours later, we learned of the death of Chadwick Boseman. Life is so very fragile. Tomorrow is not promised. Over the past six years of the Black Lives Matter movement, I have traveled to 47 states, teaching and organizing, learning and leading. And for all six years, everywhere I go, people ask me, sean, how do I actually use my life, my skills, my time, my energy to impact and change the world? My book, we had to flip a page. My book Make Change is a 272 page answer to that question.

[Lacy Mosley]

How? Oh my God, that's so lucky, Shawn.

[Ashley Rae]

Wowzers. You have an answer to how to go change the world. You got a book.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh my. How lucky that this book is just right here for me to buy.

[Ashley Rae]

It's not even an autobiography. Of course it's not, Shawn. Cause you're a curator. This is probably several people's biographies. It says I tell my story, of course, but it's actually a guide to help you through this exact moment that we are in right now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Hey, Nell.

[Ashley Rae]

I am not here today to promote a product. I know some people think books are.

[Lacy Mosley]

Products, are products that you buy, but.

[Ashley Rae]

No but nah, nah, nah, nah, nah nah. Take that out of your mind. Take that out of your mind.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like no, no.

[Ashley Rae]

I am here to promote a solution. An answer, which I'm going to pause right there again because an answer is the most culty fucked shit you can say to people. Because that's why people join cults is because they're looking for answers.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're lost.

[Ashley Rae]

They need something to feel.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're triggered by something sad that just happened. Like Chadwick Boseman.

[Ashley Rae]

They need to feel like they're changing it because they need Control. Because it's very hard for a lot of people, including myself, to realize that I have absolutely no control in this life. And so a lot of people realize that they can exploit that. So he's got an answer for you, baby boo. And it's not a product. It is a book.

[Lacy Mosley]

It is a book, but it's not a product. That costs money. But it's not a product.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay? Just because you exchange money for a good doesn't make it a product.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Just because it is available on Amazon.

[Ashley Rae]

It'S not a product.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not a product.

[Ashley Rae]

At a time when we desperately need clarity. So he says, I have an answer. At a time where we desperately need. Need clarity. The book is available at every bookstore in the country, online and off. You can purchase it on Amazon here. There's a link here is actually hyperlinked. You can purchase it from an independent and black owned bookstore. So if you want to buy a book, you can buy it from the.

[Lacy Mosley]

Negroes if you would really like to do it up.

[Ashley Rae]

If you really want to give it up.

[Lacy Mosley]

But after Amazon first, why is Amazon first. Like, he can't even.

[Ashley Rae]

Why don't they put Bezos Cue Ball head up here first before the black.

[Lacy Mosley]

Bookstores and then also offering like three different options for the black bookstores. Like, you know, one of them just whatever, here, here or here, you know.

[Ashley Rae]

Just any of the blacks, I don't know, you know, and then you can purchase it at Barnes and Noble. We're still going, guys.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, there's.

[Ashley Rae]

It's not a product, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Not a product. Where else can I get it?

[Ashley Rae]

You can purchase the audiobook on Audible here. You can purchase it at Books a Million here. This is like our list of his name. Like, sure, you can purchase it from Target here. Like we know we're targeting.

[Lacy Mosley]

We know we're targeting Sean. Like, you think after Amazon, I'm going to Books a Million, I'm going to Target.

[Ashley Rae]

So you only needed to link the black book stores and you didn't even say the name of the black bookstores. Like, you go say Amazon, you go say Target Books a Million. But then you like. And some niggas over here, nigga Books right here. Click any of these nigga links. You're not going to tell us the company name of these black bookstores, but.

[Lacy Mosley]

You probably made them up. I bet if you click those links, it's probably like, it's probably just him. It's probably like Shawna King Bookstore.

[Ashley Rae]

It's like, I hate it here. It's Sean King's Etsy. It's called Black Bookshop.

[Lacy Mosley]

Black Bookshop. Just the black Bookshop, Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

It's slightly more expensive. Cause he knows, like, they're like, oh, it's black owned, so they'll pay a little bit more for it. This is psychotic. So then he says, I want you to have it in this moment. I wrote it for this moment.

[Lacy Mosley]

The moment when Chadwick, when Chadwick boasted.

[Ashley Rae]

Who was hiding an illness from the world passed away. What exactly is the moment that you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Were like, this is the moment the world needs me. What?

[Ashley Rae]

So it says, oh, we now have over 700 five star reviews on Amazon from readers who are putting the lessons to great use. So now you gonna tell us like that people on Amazon said the book is bussin'right. Sir, do you remember how this email started? Like, and listen. This is him saying it. And listen, I hate to even have to say this, but when I write an email like this, it's not for profit or personal gain.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't make a dime off selling books. I was paid a year ago. I write these emails to help us get on the same page. My kings and queens, you know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I got paid once and I don't make any money. Which. Which all that led to so many people in publishing being like, that is not how book deals work.

[Ashley Rae]

That's not how book deals work. I'm telling you, as someone who just went through an entire process, that is not how book deals work. So what Sean is talking about when he says he got paid a year ago is called a minimum guarantee. So if you sign with a publishing house, depending on how popping you are, depending on how well they think the book is going to do, they will give you a certain fixed amount of money that is yours. No matter how well the book sells, as long as you give it to them, like you deliver it. So usually it's paced out, like, if you're really balling, they might give it to you all at. But a lot of times they'll quarterly put it. It'll be like, oh, you get this chunk immediately. Oh, you get this chunk when we have the first, you know, deliverable. Oh, you get this when we go to the press and then it adds up to like, whatever. So maybe Sean got a lump sum because, you know, he's famous, definitely black church.

[Lacy Mosley]

He got Rihanna on his side.

[Ashley Rae]

So he's got Rihanna vouching for him. So he's saying, I only made my lump sum and that's it. Y'all, like, now I'm just selling the book for free. That's not how it works. As soon as he makes back the money that he was given as a minimum guarantee, he starts to make a percentage of the revenue from the book. That is definitely a product. Yes, but he tried to lie to people.

[Lacy Mosley]

But he tried to lie like, oh, I already got all my money. And that's what he does. He presents these half truths, and the second you pull it apart, it's like, no, honey, you get money from these books, baby.

[Ashley Rae]

This is called lies and fabrications. He's like, no, I'm just telling the story. Y'all called Dr. Seuss a liar. No, bruh. Like, come on now. Like, this really disgusted me because it was such a sad time to lose such an iconic talent and then to have this raggedy ass bitch. I didn't even know he listed this many goddamn links for where to buy this book.

[Lacy Mosley]

I didn't even know. I thought, like, maybe just, like, one Amazon link.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay, no, so we don't need Amazon links, bitch. Like, we know where Amazon is. The girlies know how to click on there. Okay?

[Lacy Mosley]

I want you to have the book.

[Ashley Rae]

Now we got that one black dude singing about cocoa butter. We know when Prime Day is.

[Lacy Mosley]

We know also.

[Ashley Rae]

What is that about Amazon?

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like that commercial's racist. Can they please stop airing it? But I hate it.

[Ashley Rae]

I hate it, too. It's like, buy me some cold, cold butter, some fish and supplies. What is this? Why is there a black man singing about Prime Day and cocoa butter?

[Lacy Mosley]

Cocoa butter. Like, what do they think we are?

[Ashley Rae]

Now, listen, some. Some of us definitely do use cocoa butter, but are we singing about it?

[Lacy Mosley]

No, and I'm not getting it from Amazon.

[Ashley Rae]

How did they get away with it? Why has no one said anything right?

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Why did nobody go? No, guys, listen, I think we just.

[Ashley Rae]

Have bigger fish to fry. We're like. We can't even. We tie in as a community. We don't have anybody who needs to sing about this cocoa butter Negro. He reminds me of, like, you remember that dude from the proud family who wore the white suit.

[Lacy Mosley]

The white suit and had the, like, bouffant thing?

[Ashley Rae]

He is just like some cold, cold butter. You know, black people love to send.

[Lacy Mosley]

Come on, blackies. Go to Amazon. Make your purchases.

[Ashley Rae]

Take y'all ashy asses over to Amazon, get you some damn cocoa butter. You know you need it in bulk. Okay, so let's move on. This is where it's gonna get. I wanted to do that one first before we got into Samira. Rice, because that's as ugly as that is. It's just gonna get uglier here for a moment. So now we're getting into Samiria Rice, which I wanted to. This is just really shitty. In the summer of 2021, Sean publicized on a podcast a convinced a conversation that he and Samaria Rice had had about donations he solicited for her late son, Tamir Rice. Samiria is the mother of 12 year old Tamir, who was gunned down in 2014 by police in Cleveland, Ohio. And this was the 12 year old who was like playing with a toy and was shot by the police indiscriminately. It was really horrible. So shortly before Sean posted, Samira had gone on record discussing how certain activists weaponized Black death, such as the death of her son, to self elevate themselves. Sean had raised money for Tamir rice's family in 2015, as well as additional funds after he learned that Samaria Rice was living in a homeless shelter and had yet to bury her son. However, at the time, he had never spoken to her. She was unaware that the money was being raised at all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right, like, Shawn, Sean, Sean, you didn't. You didn't check in, you didn't, you.

[Ashley Rae]

Didn'T hit her up. You have all these people that, you know, you have all these resources. You couldn't contact the police department that you love to work with, that you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Love to work with. You couldn't get a number, you couldn't.

[Ashley Rae]

Say, hey, y'all couldn't drop her a text, y'all couldn't tag her on Twitter, nothing. And yet you're raising money for her tragedy. And this, meanwhile, this black woman, definitely black woman, is unhoused and dealing with this horrible trauma.

[Lacy Mosley]

Dealing with this trauma. And I think, like, did she even get the money? Like, did he give her anything?

[Ashley Rae]

So Sean continued to maintain that he had never raised funds without Samaria's consent, but removed the podcast where he had discussed his and Samaria's conversation. Of course, because it was a lie. He was like, oh, let me get them lies off the Internet. Real, you know, can y'all delete them lies that I said, I just deleted them lies.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, it deleted the lies. If you block people, the lies go away.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, if you delete the lies, then who lied? If a lie is in a forest and you deleted it and then you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Deleted it and then you blocked the.

[Ashley Rae]

Forest and you blocked the forest, then.

[Lacy Mosley]

Was it ever a lie?

[Ashley Rae]

No, no, it makes sense to me. So Samaria posted on Instagram. Why do you think it's so important to tell folks, we had a conversation, we talked, and everything that was said was very toxic. Personally, I don't understand how you sleep at. I never gave you permission to raise nothing. No, thanks. Along with the United States, you robbed me for the death of my son. She finished her post with saying, God will deal with you, white man. Woo.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Yes, finally.

[Ashley Rae]

And that's how you clear this.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's how you do it.

[Ashley Rae]

And look, I know that people get very dicey when we make the jokes about him not being an African American. And he says that we've already talked about on the first podcast, Iteration, the way that he describes his mom being a hoe, and that's how he had a black dad and all that. That's not how black children describe their mamas.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's not.

[Ashley Rae]

You know, also, like, both of your parents are Caucasian, and that is what's on your birth certificate. Now, that's not to say, look, there's adoption. There's all types of ways that people have children. So I'm not saying that he couldn't possibly be black, but he cosplays blackness with that haircut, with that mustache, with the weed stuff. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And, like, when he got arrested in high school over something he stole, he told them he was white. They put white on his little arrest thing, like, because he knew. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

And he's taking up space. He's silencing black women. Everything that he's doing is just not indicative of that. Something. This is very colonial. This is all colonization. Like, this is literally. This nigga is Christopher Columbus.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just. Literally, just like, finding more black tragedy and going, how can I own this?

[Ashley Rae]

Literally lurking in the shadows, you know, he's probably got a fucking police scanner. He's just waiting to hear. Just like a sicko. So I'm sorry. Like, I know that some of y'all will debate that. And, like, look, we. Race is complicated. It's not like ethnicity. You know, there's phenotypes, there's things that we all present as. And that kind of puts us in these certain categories. But just from his behavior alone, it's just not giving.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not. Yeah, it's.

[Ashley Rae]

Now, listen, we got Clarence Thomas's. We got. We got Kundis Owens. We know that he could be skin folk or kinfolk.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? He could be as, you know, as black as Wesley Snipes and still be a horrible person. But the fact is, he is trying to play on this fact that he knows probably most white people are more comfortable with Light skinned black people and they're gonna wanna support him over other people. He's playing off of all and he's.

[Ashley Rae]

Curating all the information. He's made it so easy and digestible for white people to click on one thing and get to feel like they did their activism for the day. Or click on a GoFundMe and feel like, oh, I'm giving my money to a black cause and now I can go to bed and, you know, not feel as bad about how this world has been created to oppress Africa. Everyone who doesn't look like me.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like until now he was very good at being able to align any criticism with the right. Like people who were questioning his race. They were Fox News, Breitbart people. You don't want to be with them. And then this happened and it was like, no, black people are calling you out. You can't run from this anymore. You can't say, this is Republican.

[Ashley Rae]

There was still pushback though, because then it's like, oh, well, why are we infighting? And this is why we can never get anywhere, because we can't align ourselves as a group, which is true. Like, white supremacy has been fragmented. Every other minority and there is infighting. But in this case, this is not infighting. This is us calling out an abuser. So the funds raised were eventually seized and placed into Mir Rice's estate. So the funds that were raised that he never raised.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that he said he never raised.

[Ashley Rae]

He never even had heard about the funds.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he was like, I never really raised.

[Ashley Rae]

Somehow they were seized.

[Lacy Mosley]

But somehow there were funds to be seized.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, somehow there were fun. Like, it was like, you show up to somebody's like, there are no.

[Lacy Mosley]

There are no funds here.

[Ashley Rae]

We don't have any funds here. And then we open the doors. Like, all the funds. Oh, that's crazy. I don't know who put them funds there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I don't know if y'all want to take it because.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, y'all should take it, because I should.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't even know why that's here.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, that's crazy. Get them funds. So now let's get into his fake Twitter account. We're getting to the end of this, guys. Woo. It's gonna be a doozy. So, fake Twitter account. In addition to making money directly off of Samaria Rice's grief, Sean King may have also created a fake Twitter account to defend himself online. This is allegedly, allegedly. Marina, go back through this and just take this one sound bite. Allegedly put that in front of everything. That I've said.

[Lacy Mosley]

And this is something he does do, though. Like online, like when he posts on Facebook, he'll like, like, exclude certain countries so that only people in like, Canada and the Caribbean can see his posts. So that way, like, Americans aren't like, it's another scam. Like, he'll very selectively show things to different audiences.

[Ashley Rae]

I didn't know that you could exclude countries. That's brilliant.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah. So he'll be like, oh, the Americans have gotten onto my scam. Let me just go take money from the Canadians.

[Ashley Rae]

You know what? I love it.

[Lacy Mosley]

So I feel like, let me go.

[Ashley Rae]

Get some of those maple woods. That's what I call Canadian money.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like maybe allegedly he made fake Twitter accounts, but considering his online practices, I feel like he probably definitely made these wakes.

[Ashley Rae]

Definitely. So in response to Samira Rice discussing how he raised money without her consent, Sean shared a Twitter thread by a woman who claimed to be Nicole, an organizer for the Grassroots Law Project and Tamir Rice foundation in Columbus, Ohio. So he's sharing Nicole. And after Sean shared the post, many Twitter users said that the threads tone sounded suspiciously similar to his. And shortly after, after the account mysteriously disappeared.

[Lacy Mosley]

What did it sound like? Did it sound like. How did it sound?

[Ashley Rae]

So this is. This is home. Is this Nicole right here that I'm looking at? So it was also discovered that the account's profile picture was not of Nicole, but actually of the late Ohio rapper Boog the Bandit. What?

[Lacy Mosley]

How you gonna steal a picture of somebody who famous and we'll post that.

[Ashley Rae]

So a fake. Now people like to use other people as avatars, but like, yeah, maybe this.

[Lacy Mosley]

Person'S a big fan of book the.

[Ashley Rae]

I will say this was smart of Sean because if he had used a photo of a real person and anyone reversed image searched it, then they would be like, okay, this is a real person, so you're lying. But if he says like, oh, Nicole just uses an avatar of somebody else.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, Nicole's so Ohio. She just is so down with Boog the Bandit.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, that's how Ohio she is.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, like she just loves Ohio musician. That's how. And so that's how you know that this is a legit person.

[Ashley Rae]

It's like a picture of Drew Carey. He's like, yeah, she thinks Cleveland rocks.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, come on. Yeah, she's so, so Ohio.

[Ashley Rae]

She's so Ohio. She's so Ohio. So besides using a black woman's photo without consent or permission, the more disturbing fact is that Book the Bandit had been shot and killed a month before this Twitter thread was posted and shared. So also now, this is like, someone who's deceased and he's cosplaying them. It's just the layers here. So Sean has previously used a dead person's image and name to push his own narrative, such as retweeting activist and rapper D. Seals two years after he had passed away to try to discredit Activist 2 Dere McKesson. And if you don't recognize Dere McKesson right away, like, you've seen him. He wears that blue vest.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Which Sean does do a lot. He, like, he will just search D Ray and retweet any bad things.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

That people say. Which he did do to me one time I took. Because I had an ex who hung out with D Ray, and D Ray paid for them to get pedicures. And I tweeted about it because I was like, you know, all this money they're paying for people to get pedicures. That's kind of ridiculous. D Ray and Sean King found that tweet and retweeted it, posted it on his Instagram, and I literally had to comment, like, I don't like you. Right.

[Ashley Rae]

Like, don't try to.

[Lacy Mosley]

Don't try to get me on your side. I am not on your side.

[Ashley Rae]

No. And, I mean, I've interacted with Dre. I don't have any negative opinions, but it. But yeah, he's just. They obviously they beef because he calls Sean out. And so Sean is making sure that, you know, he can.

[Lacy Mosley]

That he's like, oh, no, he's bad, too.

[Ashley Rae]

He's like, look at this black man over here. I mean, we both black men.

[Lacy Mosley]

We both. Look at the other black man over here.

[Ashley Rae]

No. Yeah, that's black man alongside.

[Lacy Mosley]

But we both. We both.

[Ashley Rae]

We actually both black.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's like, look at these tweets from 10 years ago that show. He's workshop this.

[Ashley Rae]

I'll be back. So, guys, that brings us to the end of this historic hoodwink. Sean King is still out here working. He's the hardest working man in crime.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know a better scammer.

[Ashley Rae]

I don't either. And he's going to. He's going to work into old age.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I don't ever see him, like, falling from grace.

[Ashley Rae]

A career criminal.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Like, I mean, he got the okay from Rihanna. So many.

[Ashley Rae]

When I induct into the scammer hall of fame, like, we definitely will have a whole section for him when he passes away. There will be a huge in Memoriam. He will be the last person in the in memoriam of scammers when he passes away. We're gonna.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, there's a Shaun King wings. Just exhibits dedicated to every single.

[Ashley Rae]

We need to get one in Rikers. Like, just a whole wing that's just sponsored by Shaun King. You know what I mean, Sean? Definitely black King. We love it, so we hate it, actually. We do hate it. But, guys, that is where Shaun King's at right now. We'll see where he's at in a couple years. I'm sure there's gonna be more.

[Lacy Mosley]

Every few years, you're gonna be like, in another update on Shaun King, like part three in the Shaun King soccer.

[Ashley Rae]

Literally, he gonna have more sequels than Harry Potter, than fucking Lord of the Rings.

[Lacy Mosley]

Where do you go after a T shirt scam? Like, you did a media scam, You've done book scams, you did a T shirt scam. What next?

[Ashley Rae]

I mean, there's room, there's pottery. Has he sold any food yet that I could see? Freedom tea. Yeah, it's very relaxing for when brutality was just done to you. You just.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's chamomile, you know, doing a little scammer restaurant.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, yes. It's definitely got to have a freedom restaurant.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah. Little freedom. Yeah. Freedom fry restaurant.

[Ashley Rae]

Freedom fry.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

And it's probably tasty, guys. It's probably delicious. You know, his black wife's gonna be in there. She gonna be in the back cooking. All right, guys, Scammer of the week. This is where we highlighted charlatan that we love or hate. We just get your opinions all throughout. Ashley, this is the end of our show. Today we're talking about one mysterious worker at the consortio industrial de Alamentos cial in Chile was allegedly paid 286 times his salary.

[Lacy Mosley]

The dream. That's the dream.

[Ashley Rae]

That's what I need to be paid right now. 286 times my salary, please. Connie, where you at? I want 286 times my salary today.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do the math. I want it.

[Ashley Rae]

Do the math and I want it. So the quick thinking man saw his check, immediately cashed it, turned in his resignation nation and ran.

[Lacy Mosley]

Finally a Jean. It's like, thank you.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes, thank you.

[Lacy Mosley]

I am so tired of people being like. And I noticed the mistake and I went to hr.

[Ashley Rae]

No, Usain, Bo ain't got shit on me. When I tell you I would have been a cloud of smoke, like a cartoon. You would have heard that little.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think it's nice he even turned into resignation. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

Why he turned into resignation. I was with them niggas. I died.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. If anything, you could have probably got another paycheck the next week. Like just stay on the payroll.

[Ashley Rae]

Did you have a wife or something? Like, you got to have your cousin or your mama? Somebody just call job and be like, they died.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, they died. They not.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, yeah, they actually had died. How, oh how did they die of a. Of a death?

[Lacy Mosley]

The old.

[Ashley Rae]

The age. Natural death related causes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Peaceful death and causes.

[Ashley Rae]

And sleeping. And probably sleeping. So the CIA L is one of the country's largest producers of cold cut meats. The unknown man was set to receive 500,000 Chilean pesos, or about $527 USD as his monthly pay. So that's what he supposed to get.

[Lacy Mosley]

$500 a month.

[Ashley Rae]

A month. However, due to mostly a clerical error, the company accidentally paid him about US$174,000.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's a little more than 500amonth. That's a little. That's a little.

[Ashley Rae]

And if he was living off of.

[Lacy Mosley]

500 in Chile, like billions.

[Ashley Rae]

Oh, yeah. He's gonna be like, he's moving long.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

The company was able to make contact and the employee initially agreed to go to his bank the next morning and sort out the repayment. But he then failed to show up to work and went on to disappear completely. Though he still formally submit his resignation.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it.

[Ashley Rae]

A professional.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, a professional. He was like, I'm not, you know, I don't want them to mess up my referral to my next job. Let me just make sure I get.

[Ashley Rae]

The two weeks notices these with to whom it may concern. I hope this email finds you well.

[Lacy Mosley]

Cuz B, I'm doing cuz I'm gone. I'm so good, I'm out.

[Ashley Rae]

I hope this email fights you well because you will never find me. Okay. Yes, an icon. And we don't even have a name for this motherfucker. That's what I'm talking about. There's no name in the story.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love that the media was like, don't put his picture out there. Keep his name on.

[Ashley Rae]

Everybody is like, yeah, Mr. Chile, we are never gonna tell on you. Thus far, no arrests have been made and legal authorities in Chile are still on the hunt for this man. Y'all, y'all give it up. You gotta know y'all spending too much money. Legal authorities just throwing money at good.

[Lacy Mosley]

He won. That's like, if I was the cop on that, I'd be like, what do you want me to do here?

[Ashley Rae]

And I really Wish that more police officers would treat cops and robbers the way that it was legitimately supposed to be. I'm so tired of us being indoctrinated to think that cops can break laws to catch criminals. If the criminal is smarter than you, guess what. You lost, bitch. You lost. Y'all don't need to look after this man no more. He was smarter than you.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's smarter. He's gone. Okay?

[Ashley Rae]

He's gone.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's gone. He bought a summer house somewhere lovely and he's having a great time.

[Ashley Rae]

I love this family.

[Lacy Mosley]

I.

[Ashley Rae]

He didn't say shit to nobody. He got his check and he left.

[Lacy Mosley]

God bless you. I love that. He also was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll come to the bank and fix that. Yeah, for sure. I'll be at the bank for sure. Yeah. What time?

[Ashley Rae]

What time y'all want to be there?

[Lacy Mosley]

When they open? When they open. I could do one.

[Ashley Rae]

Okay. And then text me. Text me when y'all get there.

[Lacy Mosley]

When you get there.

[Ashley Rae]

And then park on the left hand side.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, I live close. So when you get there. I'll walk over.

[Ashley Rae]

Yeah, I'mma just walk over. No, it's going to be good. Yeah. And then. Can y'all bring me a pen? Cause sometimes they don't be having pens.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, they know they don't have pens, but. And we'll handle this. Yeah, we'll get this all sorted. I'll get it back to you. And then they just. Crickets just. I would have thrown my cell phone into the ocean. I would have just been like. And we are gone, girl. Gone. New IDs, new everything. Let's go.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. I always wanted to be somebody different.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know how much money that is that's disappearing people money?

[Ashley Rae]

That's disappearing people money.

[Lacy Mosley]

He disappeared himself.

[Ashley Rae]

And there's the callback. He disappeared himself and I bet you he ain't gonna be in no damn bar telling nobody about how he's stole all the meat money.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Ashley Rae]

Because he knows how to act.

[Lacy Mosley]

He knows how to act. Okay?

[Ashley Rae]

And he professional. He gave y'all two weeks. It really was a two weeks notice. He was just like, here's two minutes notice. I'm never coming back. And, guys, that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. It's a long one. This is what you guys waited for. Don't get me sued, y'all. I might need y'all to send money to my abogado fund.

[Lacy Mosley]

Me and Ashley, you might be out here asking for Venmo donations. Yeah.

[Ashley Rae]

For our lawyers. Because You, Sean, definitely black. He's litigious. He likes to tussle in the courthouse.

[Lacy Mosley]

He loves to sue black women.

[Ashley Rae]

He loves the courtroom tussle. But we always ask at the end of the show, ashley, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote, anywhere people can find you.

[Lacy Mosley]

You can find me on Twitter, heashleyray, t h e e ashleyrae or Instagram heashleyray. But mostly, go ahead and listen to TV. I say with Ashley Rae July 27th on Earwolf. We have an amazing season, too.

[Ashley Rae]

Yes. Ashley is fantastic at, like, telling you which TV shows to watch, like, giving, like, really good feedback notes. It's like I. I do literally look at those breakdowns and I'm like, what am I watching this evening? And you got them organized by, like, oh, you want to cry. Oh, you want to laugh.

[Lacy Mosley]

I tell you your mood. It's like you stoned. You want something romantic and you stone. I got you tv.

[Ashley Rae]

I say, guys, as always, snitch on your friends and family. At Scam. Got his [e-mail]. just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to. What? Yes. Up your bag. You can follow me at D I V A L A C I Diva Lacy on all platforms except for TikTok, where I am Lacy Mosley. Follow Scam Goddess pod on Twitter and and also on Instagram. And I'm trying, guys, to post things more on time than I used to. I'm doing better, am I? Probably not. And then all of season one and two of iCarly is streaming right now on Paramount. Plus and other fun things that I have I'll tell you about later. Congregation. Stay Sean Keaney. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam got us stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming.

[Lacy Mosley]

This has been a Team Coco production.

[Ashley Rae]

In association with Earwol.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Ashley Rae]

I chose to stay here.

[Lacy Mosley]

It really is paradise. So now Flip spends her time lounging on the beach, swimming in the lagoon and eating. The only thing more impressive than my appetite are all the dining options. Yeah. Have you tried food service to your cabana?

[Ashley Rae]

Ooh, yum. Flip.

[Lacy Mosley]

Where'd she go? Book your cruise. Vacation to Carnival. Celebration Key. A paradise you'll want to lose yourself in. Ships registry, The Bahamas, in Panama.