The Bluffing Bombers with Sydnee Washington

Summary

Scam Goddess Episode Summary

Podcast: Scam Goddess
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Sydnee Washington
Episode Title: The Bluffing Bombers
Release Date: April 28, 2020

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Episode Overview

This hilarious and sharp episode of Scam Goddess features comedian Sydnee Washington as she and host Laci Mosley break down a notorious insurance fraud arson known as the "Richmond Hill Explosion." The episode explores the comedic side of Hollywood "scams," open relationships, and the psychology and art (or lack thereof) of being a career scammer—woven together with the trademark banter, shade, and observations the show’s fans love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Hollywood, Open Relationships, and Low-Rent Scams

• Hollywood Exposure Scam: The episode opens with Sydnee describing a recent acting gig—paid in "exposure," which Laci immediately brands as "LA's biggest scam" (01:30).
• Acting and Real Emotions: Sydnee recounts feeling unexpectedly real chemistry with her co-star and learning the hard way about keeping emotions in check on set—then pays for her own dinner, calling it "the biggest scam of all" (08:46).
• Laci on Flirting in LA: Laci shares a Hollywood set experience where flirting blurred into discomfort ("He put his tongue in my mouth. I was so mad." - 04:17).
• Relatable Quotes:
  • “Getting paid in exposure is LA's biggest scam.” (Laci, 01:25)
  • “Consistent Girl Summer—that’s what I want!” (Sydnee, 05:37)

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2. Historic Hoodwinks: The Richmond Hill Explosion & Bad Scamming

[Begins at 10:11]

• Case Recap: In 2012, Mark Leonard, Monserrat Shirley, and accomplices planned an explosion to collect insurance money. Their slapdash planning caused the deaths of two neighbors and over $4M in damages.
• Bad Scamming 101:
  • The scammers took their cat and daughter out of the house, talked obviously about gas differences with a neighbor, and even had a white van seen at the scene.
  • Laci and Sydnee lampoon the stupidity: "How you gonna pull up to the front door?…This is a horrible job at a scam." (Laci, 16:33)
• The Casualties:
  • They discuss how killing no one would’ve been a giveaway, but killing people “throws the scam off.” (Sydnee, 17:11)

Notable Quotes:

• “A van is like a crime vehicle…we know you doing crimes. A van and also a Prius.” (Laci, 14:58)
• “The cat or the daughter, one of them needed to die.” (Laci, 19:03, in satirical context)

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3. Anatomy of a Career Scammer

• Mark Leonard—A Renaissance Scammer:
  • The hosts expose Leonard's history of scams, from staged car wrecks ("swoop and squat") to catfishing women for tens of thousands.
  • "He must be slinging that pipe." (Laci, 26:43)
  • “The most I ever gave was an iPod nano…We don't even have nanos anymore!” (Sydnee, 26:55)

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4. The Fallout: Bad Planning, Testifying, and Jailed (or Dead) Scammers

[See: 29:03 onward]

• Family Betrayals:
  • Both hosts riff on how quickly co-conspirators—family included—flip for a deal:
    • “Don’t let me be in the interrogation room. I’m giving up my whole family for a Snickers bar—that’s it!” (Sydnee, 29:03)
• Insulting the Intelligence (and Haircuts) of the Criminals:
  • The two roast the planning, the underwhelming insurance payout vs. debt, and Shirley’s regrettable haircut (“That haircut actually is the reason that her life fell apart!” – Laci, 39:33).
• Femme Fatale? Not Quite:
  • Shirley escapes the death penalty by turning state's evidence.
  • “She admitted to raising the limit on her insurance coverage because Mark urged her to and only went along with the plot out of love for him (…) Court Stenographer, can you put dickmatized on the record?” (Laci, 37:46)

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5. Scammer of the Week & Why Scams “Work”

[Scammer of the Week segment: 47:07]

• Scammer Highlight:
  • Shaniqua Jordan, aka Instagram fashion blogger Simplicity x Style, stole $50,000 from a Connecticut woman while posing in high fashion (47:34).
• Keeping Up With the Grams:
  • The hosts joke most influencer-lifestyle accounts are running some kind of scam: “I also feel like probably most Instagram fashion bloggers are running some kind of scam, because how are you keeping up with these looks?” (Laci, 48:28)
• Why People Get Scammed:
  • “Scam artists know that you can't just scam anybody. You have to scam someone who's kinda willing to be scammed—a little bit.” (Laci, 49:54)
  • “It’s that hope. We call it the ‘despo meter’. How desperate are you?” (Laci, 50:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "Acting is like lines, we end. Anything physical…we go together now." (Sydnee, 07:46)
• “Never trust a man with two first names.” (Sydnee, 12:19)
• “Listen, love is the biggest scam…” (Laci, 27:21)
• “He called on the powers of his dick. So he just rubbed his dick three times and was like, I wish I was dead.” (Laci and Sydnee, 47:03)
• “If anybody has not watched 'First 48,' that is the number one show if you wanna see people just rat on everybody.” (Sydnee, 32:11)
• “If you blow up a fucking home on a block, and you don’t notify everybody, you are going to commit some type of murder.” (Sydnee, 29:56)
• On the 175 witnesses: “How you done told 175 people you was gonna blow up your house?” (Laci, 41:06)
• “I'm dying. I'mma notebook myself. I'm gonna will myself to die." (Laci, 46:01)

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Structure & Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 – 10:11: Opening banter; Hollywood and low-stakes “scams”; Sydnee recounts a set romance & self-deprecating lessons
• 10:11 – 47:07: Historic Hoodwinks—Richmond Hill Explosion breakdown: planning, execution, evidence, aftermath
• 47:07 – 54:00: Scammer of the Week—Shaniqua Jordan; Social media scammers and the art of keeping up appearances
• 54:00 – End: Final shout-outs, wrap-up of lessons, and playful exchanges on fame, friendship, and social media

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Episode Takeaways

• Scamming is an “art”—but only for pros: Leonard & Shirley’s saga is a masterclass in what NOT to do (draw attention, involve family, talk to everyone, increase insurance days before, etc.)
• Desperation and hope are the engines of scams, both in love and larceny.
• Modern scamming requires constant reinvention: Whether on Instagram or with insurance, staying ahead is exhausting work.
• Banter is king: The episode is as much about riffing, Hollywood truths, and comedic takes as investigative substance—true to Scam Goddess’s tone.

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Where to Find the Guests

• Sydnee Washington: @justsydbw (Instagram), [Podcast: The Unofficial Expert]
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms, host of Scam Goddess

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For true crime fans who prefer their fraud with a side of cackles—or anyone needing a cautionary tale about trying to shortcut success—the episode is both entertaining and sneakily insightful. As Laci always says: Stay schemin’!

Transcript

[A]

Scams C, Robbery and frauds. Scams C, Robbery and fraud. Guys. Welcome back to Scam Goddess. This is a pod dedicated to fraud. Every week we break down the biggest and most interesting scams and heists, you know, of all time. And every week in an amazing new comedian to help me break down these scams. And today we have the Sydney Washington from New York City. Honey.

[B]

Hey.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You catching me right before I go back.

[A]

Literally, she has a suitcase in the studio. Guys, this is the most Hollywood experience I'm gonna run. Love it. Wait, so Sid, like, what's your relationship with scams? We kinda just talked about like a light scam that someone.

[B]

Okay. So we just, we're just gonna get right into it real quick, right?

[A]

Deep dive real high.

[B]

You know, I'm in la, was shooting a short. Hello.

[A]

Booked.

[B]

Busy broke.

[A]

Yes. Coins.

[B]

No Book. Busy broke. Anyway, this is a short film doing pro bono work. Anyway, I have a role where I have a girlfriend and in real life I have a girlfriend. So boom, like this is nothing. This is my day to day.

[A]

So you was going method.

[B]

Oh, all day.

[A]

So great. Also getting paid in exposure is LA's biggest scam.

[B]

See, there you go. Breaking it down one more time.

[A]

We're not gonna give you money, but we'll give you exposure.

[B]

Oh my God. It's gonna be broken down to the most broken down, Broken downest. So the person that is my girlfriend on the short film is gorgeous, stunning, like not my type, but just like butch and hot and just. I was blown away and I was not ready. Yes, I was not ready. I saw a photo and I was like, okay. But then in real life I was like, oh, it's gonna be a problem.

[A]

But then your body was ready. Your body was like, we're ready.

[B]

I just want everybody to know, the listeners to know that I'm in a whole relationship that's also very open. So this is not my style. Like, I don't just give out emotions. I don't feel feelings for people. I'm not. The physicality is not there usually.

[A]

Yeah, but I thought like in an open relationship, it's like you fucking other people. It's like Will and Jada, like you fucking other people. But then you give all the emotions to the person you're in the relationship with.

[B]

Will and Jada are rich. I'm so tired of like broke people talking about open. You can be open relationship. If your thread count is like 500, it don't make no sense.

[A]

You would only be open on Egypt gotten. Yeah, that makes Sense, though, because I said, like, I'm not doing no threesomes unless you rich. Exactly. Because I would be fucking, and I'd be like, oh, my God, is this polyester? Am I fucking on rayon right now with this couple? No.

[B]

Paper mache.

[A]

Honey, you need to be so rich.

[B]

Yeah, so I don't. I. I say. When I say open, I. I say, I know that I'm lacking in certain things, so I need to let her have a hot girl summer, do what she does, and. And be an adult about it. Back to the short film. So we're supposed to be kissing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No tongue or anything, but we're obviously.

[A]

Did y' all talk about the kiss before?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. She said, I don't want it to be weird or whatever. I was like, no, no. It's like a kiss.

[A]

We.

[B]

We had chemistry. As soon as we saw each other, I was like, oh, this is gonna be a piece of cake. Seven hours later, I'm in the back of my head like, oh, we're gonna have an affair. That's what's happening. Because I'm just like. This is not just.

[A]

What was she doing to, like, make it seem like. It was, like, more.

[B]

She was literally acting the whole time. It's my fault. I'm stupid. I'm going into a situation where it's like, okay, we are pretend. We're pretending. And I put my guard down, and I was like, nobody could pretend with me. Like, look at me.

[A]

You was doing an Angelita Brad Pitt.

[B]

Yes, Mr. And Mrs. Smith. I was like, there's no way you can just not be attracted to me.

[A]

That's how I feel.

[B]

But she sag and whatnot, so she's probably just like, bitch. What? I do this in my sleep.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, that's. I've been on sets with people that I've had to kiss, and I wasn't, like, flirting with them extra hard in between takes. Yo, I was on a. I was on a set with this guy, and he had a big fucking ego. We didn't talk about the kiss beforehand, which you were always supposed to do. And he kissed me. He put his tongue in my mouth. I was so mad.

[B]

That didn't happen.

[A]

I wanted to fight him.

[B]

That didn't happen, really. And honestly, looking back at it, it's like, I was the unprofessional one, sis.

[A]

She.

[B]

It was clear up top. I am acting, but also, I'm hot. So it's not like she's not gonna have a hard time pretending to be attracted to me, but when it was over, it was over.

[A]

And when did that happen? When did that happen?

[B]

Literally, when it was like, that's a wrap. It's a wrap.

[A]

Like, so as soon as I said, good, yeah, she stopped being nice.

[B]

All of the. You know when you see a battery full and then it's all the way drained? It was. There was nothing.

[A]

I mean, I get that that's like kind of a Hollywood thing of, like, you want to be nice to people. I fucking hate la, but I flirt, though. I'm nice to people, but I'm not, like, making them think that, like, I like them.

[B]

I mean, it could just be. I'm thinking in the back of my head, like, maybe it's just me. Like, I got open and I took it to that next level. But that's why I am never breaking up with my girlfriend. We're getting married. Because I never want to feel this feeling of rejection. Just being out in this Hot Girl Summer bullshit. Fuck you. I want to be. What do you call it? I want Consistent Girl Summer. That's what I want.

[A]

Consistent Girl Summer.

[B]

Yeah. I want. I want. Oh, I know you gon be there, Girl Summer.

[A]

Oh, bruh, no, I'm into Hot Girl Summer.

[B]

Literally, I got scammed by being on set with niggas who working. And I'm thinking, oh, this is for play.

[A]

No, she was working it a little bit. I don't think that that's all on you. Cause that's extra. She was doing a lot. That's Hollywood, though.

[B]

Why? Though? Why. Why do they do that?

[A]

Because in Hollywood, it's like, you want to be liked by everybody because you don't want somebody to retaliate against you or you don't want to miss words.

[B]

This person is not like that. She's. She's very, like, black militant. Like, white people could burn in a fire type.

[A]

Yeah, you're black. We both black. Both black.

[B]

But I'm. I'm more of a. Oh, I do like everybody. I'm. I. I'm a personable individual. I'm a people's person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. But this, she. I don't think she's necessarily like that. I think she be with the people she want to be with and that's it.

[A]

So you felt special because she was flirting with you? Because.

[B]

I don't know, I just. I feel bad. I went to bed angry, woke up angry.

[A]

There's nothing like waking up angry.

[B]

I woke up furious because it's just like, why did you. You're such a dumb bitch. Like, why did you Think. And then I saw her girlfriend and I was like, there's no way she would.

[A]

Oh, she had a girl too.

[B]

Duh.

[A]

That's what I said. Up top, bitch. Did you know? No, I hear you said she had a girl. Did you scream yourself awake? Sometimes I wake up, like, screaming.

[B]

I was literally like, you ever wake

[A]

up just like, ah, no. I'd be waking up like that every day.

[B]

I woke up and you know how you, like, push the blankets off of you? That's how I woke up. I was like like, fuck this shit. This is dumb. And so now if anybody's like, do you ever. Do you have problems or any issues with kissing or like, sex scenes? I'm like, absolutely. Oh, I don't. I don't act that far. Okay. I act to where the lines and I draw the line and be like, oh, I have to kiss you. I don't just kiss. That's not what I do in my day to day. That's what I do, though. I heard that's what act.

[A]

The word.

[B]

No, fuck acting. I'm not about this life.

[A]

That's how act is set up.

[B]

No, acting is like lines. We end anything physical, like making out and you gotta touch my cat. We go together now.

[A]

Okay. Gotta touch my cat is not a part of acting. If anybody's ever touched your coochie on the job, that was not a part of it. You got scammed when it was like, okay, now we doing the coochie touchy scene. That's not. That ain't it.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

That's somebody done lied to. Oh, my God. Listen, we all. It happens, especially in this industry. Like, we're in the weirdest industry where you can do professional deals in a hotel room and shit. What?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Ain't nobody else gotta deal with this. If you at Avis rent a car, you ain't doing no deals in the hotel room.

[B]

No. No way. See, I'm smarter than that. Don't think that I'm that foolish, but I genuinely was like, oh, something is definitely going down. And then we went to dinner and it was like, why did I come here?

[A]

I love it. I'm so sorry that this happened to you.

[B]

And then I paid for my dinner.

[A]

You paid for your dinner? Oh, that's the biggest scam of all. Well, no, you gotta be like, I'll venmo you. And then as soon as they run they car, then you be like, oh, my God, the wifi down. The wi fi down. But I'm gonna venmo you give Me your handle. Let me take a picture of it.

[B]

So I got it. You so basic. I can't. I'm not even be affiliated with this.

[A]

Then you never. Venmo. You don't know that girl. Y' all been on a short film. You'll never see her again. No.

[B]

You think I'll never see her?

[A]

No, you'll never see her.

[B]

We following each other on Instagram.

[A]

You have to do that.

[B]

Why? I feel like, okay, so now you gotta see the growth. Like, now you gotta see the aftermath.

[A]

Now you just being petty. Now you gotta see the aftermath.

[B]

But I'm so angry that I can't even really post any stories that's like, oh, look at me.

[A]

She know you hot.

[B]

Yeah, but she's not even like that. She's very like, philosophical whisper.

[A]

You don't know this damn woman.

[B]

What's behind the skin type individual?

[A]

We were talking all my exes on Instagram just so they follow me back, so they can see me winning. I had so many ex boyfriends at my birthday party, it was crazy.

[B]

Yeah, I saw. I was like, you know everyone.

[A]

Very fun.

[B]

You're friends with everybody.

[A]

Gotta be as a good scam artist, you gotta keep your relationships tight, but also far enough away that they don't know who you really are. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

I feel like I'm getting scammed right now at this damn podcast.

[A]

You are, but only mildly. Only mildly. We ain't even take your DNA. Okay, good. All right, Scams hunt. So we're going to hop into Historic Hoodwinks, guys. So Historic Hoodwinks is where we. I regale you, Sydney, with a historic caper, a hoodwink from scammers that I appreciate. And we just talk about it.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Yeah. So on November 10, 2012, which 2012 was a big year for scams, because 2012 was when we all said the world was going to end and it ain't in. And then we just was like, nevermind. But 2012 was a big year for scams and probably for water and like go bags and shit, because everybody thought the world was really going to end. So there was an explosion in a Richmond Hill subdivision in Indianapolis, Indiana that killed two people and caused more than $4 million of property damage. The home of Monserrat Shirley was the center of the explosion. And the explosion killed next door neighbors John Longworth and his wife, Jennifer Buxton, and they also injured several other people. So Shirley and her boyfriend Mark Leonard and three others were convicted and sentenced to prison, including felony murder charges. Because this was arson.

[B]

Duh.

[A]

I don't know. I wouldn't look into a home explosion. I just be like, oh, damn. Like, so sad.

[B]

Shit is not just blowing up, bitch. Like, who's doing that?

[A]

And New York should be blowing up?

[B]

Um, it depends on the building. Like, if the building is old. Yes. But if it's like renovated, really nice, I always look sideways like, hmm, this might be a setup.

[A]

That's true. I think that. So Shirley was a nurse and she owned a home at the center of the explosion. And she and her boyfriend Mark Leonard also lived at the residence. They told the authorities that they left Friday night for a weekend at Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana. Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg, Indiana sounds like the saddest place on the earth.

[B]

I don't even want to talk about that. I want to talk about Mark Leonard. He's got two names. I would never trust a man with two first names. Is he has two first names.

[A]

That's how you know he's a scammer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because his name sound made up. Mark Leonard probably ain't the name his mama gave him.

[B]

It's his name at all.

[A]

It's an invention, Keith.

[B]

It's probably just fucking Keith.

[A]

Keith is the worst name. I'm so sorry. Keith is the worst name in America. Yeah. So Mark Leonard is probably, and obviously for sure a scam. So they arranged for Shirley's 12 year old daughter to stay with friends and they boarded their cat Snowball for the weekend. Shirley told the police that she never smelled any natural gas, but that her daughter had thought she was recent. Like, her daughter basically said, mommy, it smells like gas in here. That's what she told the police. Prosecutors alleged on Friday before explosion, Mark Leonard and his brother Bob spoke with a neighbor who was a Citizen Energy employee. How convenient. So convenient that your neighbor worked for the energy company. And so they talked to him and they said they asked him about the differences between propane and natural gas. Nigga. What?

[B]

They're so obvious. That's the most annoying thing.

[A]

It's called Google.

[B]

Yeah, like, come on now, you could go to the library and find out this information. You don't even have to Google, yo,

[A]

if you really want to commit crimes, you really should just go to the library. Ain't nobody gonna be able to check your search history. You can get tons of information. Books still got info in them.

[B]

It's true. And you don't have to highlight them at all. You just take a picture and then

[A]

you don't got no witnesses. How you gonna ask your Next door neighbor, so. Hey. Hey, Chet. Hey, what's up? What you doing out here? Mowing the grass. Oh, it looks nice. What fertilizer are you using? Oh, it's good out here. So what's the difference between natural gas and propane? Would you know if something blew up? If it blew up from natural gas or propane?

[B]

It's so specific. That's the problem. Like you're propane.

[A]

How do you work that into a conversation?

[B]

You don't like?

[A]

Oh, your grass is so nice. Love that grass. Oh, man. Oh, do you use a lawnmower? What kind of gas is in your lawnmower? Would propane. I'm trying to segue it in naturally. I don't. I don't know if I can. It's fine.

[B]

That's exactly how he sounded when he did it.

[A]

And obviously because the man remembered and narcked on his ass and told the police that they had this weird ass conversation. On the day of the explosion, another neighbor saw a white van pull into the driveway of Shirley's residence. But between 2pm and 3pm, dumb, stupid.

[B]

Anytime I see a white van pull up. Just a van is a dead giveaway.

[A]

A van is like a crime vehicle. Yeah, like we know you doing crimes. A van and also a Prius.

[B]

It's like tbt.

[A]

Yeah, it's too much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We knew immediately it was like, crimes time for crime. Crime time. So the van pulled up and the men were reportedly in the home briefly and hurriedly left. Okay, can I also say that Shirley really underestimate how fucking nosy her neighbors are. Cause I never looked at nobody's home and would know that between any hours a van arrived. Like, I don't pay attention to my neighbors.

[B]

What's her neighbor's name?

[A]

The neighbor's names ain't in here.

[B]

Okay, well, let's just call them Keith and Ashley. They are not fucking. So people who don't fuck stay in the window. They stay like lurking and busy and that's what gets them off. It's like if they know other people, people's business, then they have something to talk about in the bedroom besides the point that they not fucking. So I already knew that was happening.

[A]

The pillow talk is real. So they're doing all this because they're not fucking. I don't believe that. So, yeah. So these peeping times, these window peeping Toms were dedicated. Dedicated because I'm like, how you got hours? How do you remember this? So the men were reportedly in the home briefly and then hurriedly left. So they Done clocked how they left the home, too. Which sounds to me like maybe they set off some propane gas.

[B]

They did. They're very messy and obvious about it.

[A]

Like, how y' all gonna pull up to the front door?

[B]

They did a bad job.

[A]

This is a horrible job at a scam. I will say, analyzing this scam. I don't approve of these people because they were just so fucking blatant about it. You don't pull up to the front

[B]

and where is this, in Indiana?

[A]

Yeah. Indianapolis. They don't got shit to do.

[B]

They're. Ugh, this is making me so. And they were white.

[A]

Of course it will.

[B]

Okay. I'm just. Hey, you freaking never know.

[A]

No, you don't. You truly don't. They didn't even try to hide anything. They were so certain they were gonna get away with this. No, no. Just pull the van up front. No one's gonna question us. The house explodes, you know, whatever. I think they would have actually probably got away with if two people didn't die. I think the people dying is really what threw the scam off.

[B]

But you can't have an explosion and everybody live. Cause then that means it definitely was a setup.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

People gotta die. There's gotta be some casualties that go on.

[A]

I feel like when people die, so

[B]

it could be an accident, but when

[A]

people die, people ask more questions. Cause they gotta figure out, like, what happened. Cause these people died.

[B]

But if nobody dies, then it's a dead giveaway. That's like, oh, everybody's been alerted that this was gonna happen. Oh, y' all all just so happen to not be in the vicinity when this house went off.

[A]

No, I get when the house went off. I love it. So Bob Leonard's son told investigators that several items were in the van that had been taken from the home, including photos and financial documents. So these niggas also got all the stuff that they wanted out the house. Like, they went in and was like, okay, well, we gotta make sure we take our taxes so that we can file this year.

[B]

Like, nobody does that.

[A]

You can't prepare. You have to make it look like an accident, y'. All. You can't take all the stuff that you need out the house before.

[B]

And that's the funny thing, is that they were, like, very rational.

[A]

Too rational.

[B]

You're gonna burn your place down. You can't have any rationing. You gotta be irrational. So people don't see the actual steps that were made. Right.

[A]

And they let everyone see every step.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Shirley's Daughter was placed with a babysitter overnight before the couple went to the casino.

[B]

The daughter gotta die too.

[A]

Like, you can't.

[B]

That's why it's not an accident. Oh, the cats and the daughter, everybody survived.

[A]

They should have let the kids get

[B]

the fuck out of here.

[A]

That's really where they fucked up. They really should have let the cat. Dad.

[B]

They should have bought a bird.

[A]

And white people love animals. White people love animals. So if your cat died, they would have been like, oh, my God, this is a real tragedy. I know you ain't blow your cat up on purpose.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, you right. The cat or the daughter, one of them needed to die.

[B]

Rule number one. One of them pets gotta go.

[A]

You gotta make sacrifices for the scam. You can't have a perfect scam where nobody gets hurt and nobody dies. But I will say they probably should have let the daughter die. And I'll tell you why later.

[B]

Okay? Why? What'd she do? I feel like you got some tea, some insider trade.

[A]

I'm gonna get to it. So the most damning piece of evidence was a witness statement from one of Mark Leonard's associates, who investigators said that that weekend before the explosion, for the explosion, excuse me, Leonard told him that the house blew up. So he reportedly said that tsunami winds came down, the chimney, blew out the fire in the fire, and the gas kept running, and the house blew up. Witness told the investigators that Leonard talked about buying a Ferrari with the insurance money for the house. Okay, sir, so before the house, before

[B]

you even did you already run your mouth? This is what I just want everybody to know. Any type of thing you're gonna do, where everybody might even go to jail, somebody's gonna run their mouth. Nobody is gonna keep those lips closed because they just can't. We're human beings.

[A]

Yeah, you gotta keep.

[B]

It's hard to keep a secret.

[A]

But to me, that's a mark of someone who's not a good scammer. Because, like, I remember I went on a date with this guy once, and he told me that he got fired from his job for insider trading, right? Like, so he was working at a bank and he got, like, basically a tip that some stock was about to get.

[B]

I know what. Insider trader.

[A]

Yeah, for the people. I'm doing it for the people, so they know. And so he got tipped off that a stock was gonna do really well, and he bought a bunch of it and he made a lot of money. Then he went around the office bragging about the money that he made. And that's how he got caught. And I was more mad that he was bragging than he did the insider trading. Like, I was like, what the fuck? You're stupid. Like, you got the money? Why are you talking?

[B]

Let me tell you, if I win any kind of money, I'm still shopping at Rainbow, okay? I'm still going to consignment shops. I'm wearing the cheapest shoe, like Steve Madden. E Toro. I go down. That's what I do.

[A]

Love a Steve Madden.

[B]

That's what I do. Aldo, let's go.

[A]

Let's go.

[B]

I'm just gonna, like, live a regular life so that you don't know that my bank account is popping.

[A]

Listen, I buy expensive shit. I love expensive shit.

[B]

I know. I see you with your LV bag over there.

[A]

But I will say that I'll never buy expensive luggage unless I start flying private. Because it is insane to me that people have Louis Vuitton luggage that says rob me. Your luggage literally says steal me. Like, what? I put all my nice shit in the raggediest ass suitcase so that if I leave that shit on the carousel, nobody gonna get no ideas.

[B]

Yeah, people are dumb.

[A]

Robbery and fraud.

[B]

Okay, what's. What's the rest of the story?

[A]

So, yeah, he bragged about it to his friends. And also, before they did this, they took out a $300,000 insurance policy on the home very, very close to the date. So they. Yeah, it had recently been increased. I don't give me the exact time frame, but it's obviously within a year if they're saying that it recently got increased. So, guys, you should increase your insurance, but not right before you blow your house.

[B]

Yeah, like, you got to do it maybe a year before.

[A]

Yeah, you got to plan this scam out a little bit, actually.

[B]

When you watch documentaries, they be watching when you take out these policies. So, like, even a year, two years is just too close. Because nobody is just reing up on their policy and stuff.

[A]

You gotta play the long game. Yeah, you gotta play the long game if you in love. But, you know, maybe you wanna kill your spouse.

[B]

Who even does that anymore? That's so dated. Oh, you gonna kill somebody for money? Get a life, right?

[A]

It is very basic. And I think that's why they got caught. Cause they were like, guys, this is the most basic scam we know about this.

[B]

So.

[A]

Investigators discovered a number of allegations of insurance fraud and other scams by Mark Leonard prior to the blast, particularly involving stolen or wrecked automobiles. So this nigga was doing the Swoopa squat.

[B]

Wait, what's that?

[A]

You know about the Swoopa squat. Okay. So I learned this from the black man at all state who do them commercials who was the president on 24. And I personally think responsible for Barack Obama being president. He was our first black president on tv. Anyway, he told. And he's all sick guy and his voice very deep.

[B]

I don't remember the guy anymore.

[A]

It's called a swoop and squat. So the swoop and squat is where you are in a car, you get in front of somebody and then you hit your brakes real hard so that they slam into the back of you and then you collect the insurance money.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

So my n. Mark was out here doing swooping squats.

[B]

I mean this just. That's like kindergarten work.

[A]

I mean, I do appreciate it just because like he's a career scammer. And to find out that he was a career scammer really entered because I think that you can make a living from scams. You just can't get greedy.

[B]

You're gonna get caught though.

[A]

You can't get lazy. And this was Mark's laziest scam.

[B]

You're gonna get caught and you're. When you do finally get caught, nobody's gonna feel sorry for you and you're gonna be stuck. So I don't think it's worth it.

[A]

I'm sorry for Mark, Al also, though, I will say I feel like Mark didn't love Shirley. I think Mark got with Shirley cause she had a home and some nice things.

[B]

I'm sorry. That's what love is.

[A]

Yeah, A scam.

[B]

We talked about it earlier. It's a shel shelter. Okay. And longevity.

[A]

Who.

[B]

When you love people who have absolutely bring absolutely nothing to the table. You don't understand what love is.

[A]

Yeah, I can't.

[B]

I can't love you if we sleeping on the floor. No, I just can't. No.

[A]

I hate you.

[B]

I don't have good back support.

[A]

I used to date beautiful poor boys. Like boys who were so.

[B]

Never heard of that. So I've never heard of attractive man that's also poor.

[A]

Oh, no. Now if, like, if you have no money. My vagina is arid.

[B]

No, no, no. But I've never met one. I've never met somebody who's attractive. That's a man. And poor. If you're a good looking man, you gonna get some money.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, men are always scamming too. I meet men who literally like try to scam me.

[B]

You live in la. That's why there's a lot of homelessness going on.

[A]

One was in New York. Literally, he. We was talking, and he was like, damn, I really need this new camera. Like, could you get it for me? And I was like, are you out of your fucking mind?

[B]

Who said that to you?

[A]

I'll never buy you anything. A Brooklyn boy.

[B]

Nobody buys cameras. You have an iPhone X. Like, it's a $1,200 phone. Portrait mode, bitch. Like, you better know how to use a portrait mode if that's. If that's the last case scenario.

[A]

Men want me to be their sugar mama. It happens often.

[B]

Well, you on TV now, so, duh, I want you to be my sugar mama. I. I'm. I'm looking at your bag, and I'm like, sis, get me a cab to the.

[A]

To.

[B]

To the airport.

[A]

So she's already planning her next scam

[B]

she's gonna run on me. I really am.

[A]

So Mark Leonard wasn't just doing swooping squats. Mark Leonard also had several complaints from several women claiming that Leonard scammed them out of thousands of dollars. Many of the women reported that they met him on dating sites and that he soon began asking them for money. One woman previously won, like, a $7,070,000 judgment against. In a civil suit after lending him $53,000, which he never repaid. Another woman reported that she had loaned him about $5,000 for a construction job. So this all makes me feel that Leonard must be slinging that pipe.

[B]

Oh, the dick is great.

[A]

The dick is fantastic.

[B]

Okay, chef's kiss on that dick, because delicioso.

[A]

What kind of dick is making you give somebody $53,000?

[B]

The most I've ever given was, like, an ipod nano, and that was like, we don't even have nanos anymore.

[A]

So I gave my ex boyfriend, who I'm pretty sure had a sugar daddy. I gave him a bull of a watch, and it was like, 400 bucks.

[B]

Idiot.

[A]

I was young. I was dumb.

[B]

I was 19, foolish.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I don't even know if I could talk to you anymore on this podcast, because that's just.

[A]

No, don't leave.

[B]

Why would you do such a thing like that?

[A]

Listen, love the biggest scam, but, yeah, so he obviously was slanging that pipe, and he.

[B]

$50,000. Now I want to know her story. Like, where does she work?

[A]

Also, she got a lot of money. If you got $53,000 to loan to anybody, you got too much money.

[B]

Was it in increments or she just went to the bank and, like, made it rain.

[A]

Was it installments?

[B]

Like, what's up? Did she PayPal him, truly, I don't know.

[A]

And like, he was like, he. He gave some people excuses. Like, another woman reported that she gave him 5,000 for a construction job, which he said he was going to pay back. Construction, Where.

[B]

Unheard of.

[A]

He must be.

[B]

But construction, wherever they live is $2. There's no way.

[A]

Right? They live in Indianapolis. They don't. You don't need $5,000 to do construction. You write about that. I mean, so he's been scamming. And I think that's why. I think that he wasn't with Shirley. For real? For real. I think he saw an opportunity in burning down her house because he scammed women before. Like, love is his probably biggest income. So I was like, okay, I see Mark Leonard.

[B]

That's why I'm never gonna be single again, man.

[A]

So Montserrat, Shirley, Mark Leonard and Bob Leonard. So Mark brought his brother in on the job.

[B]

Hey, keep it in the family, yo. Keep it in the family.

[A]

He was smart about that. But I think, like, if you won't scam, you really should scam with your blood relatives. Like, they're probably the most trustworthy people.

[B]

No, fuck family. Family be the first one to just throw you under the bus depot.

[A]

Well, Bob Leonard did throw him under the bus. Exactly.

[B]

I know this work.

[A]

He talked to the police like he was in an Oprah interview. He gave them everything.

[B]

Don't let me be in the interrogation room. I'm giving up my whole family.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

For a Snickers bar. That's it. When the sugar's low, I go crazy. I go home.

[A]

This isn't it weird you're talking about other crimes. We don't even need that information. You're like, no, no, no. Let me tell you another thing. My cousin be running numbers.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

You want his number? 5. 5. 5. Yeah, that's exactly. That's not what we're here talking about. No. I'll give you everyone. So they were all charged with two counts of murder and arson in the deaths of Dion and Jennifer Longworth. So though the trio was eligible for the death penalty under Indiana law, prosecutors chose to pursue life sentences without parole. Shirley and the Leonard brothers stating that they believed the jury would be unlikely to impose the death penalty, as there was no evidence that the suspects intended to kill anybody. So basically they were like, we're not gonna hit you with the death penalty because y' all ain't know that people was home during the explosion. Like, clearly they didn't wanna kill anybody. They didn't wanna kill. I'm sorry.

[B]

If you blow up a fucking home on a block and you don't notify everybody on that block, you are going to commit some type of murder.

[A]

That shit is rude. Like, they could have at least been like, hey, y', all, don't be home from the hours. Yeah, they were already so sloppy.

[B]

Like, I would have called up. I'm like, yo, the mob has been after me for, like, weeks. So if I was you, I would. I would go to that vacation home you got in Savannah or something and peace out.

[A]

I would go to the Hollywood Casino in Indianapolis. The Hollywood Casino in Indianapolis sounds like a place where you go and you lose the small amount of money that you had. And they have one gift store and you have to buy an outfit and then start hooking in front of to the casino to get home. Like, it sounds like the saddest place in the world.

[B]

I love it. I feel like that's where I need to have my funeral at. That's my brand.

[A]

I fucked with that casino for places to find your funeral to have your funeral at.

[B]

Yeah, that's it.

[A]

Well, this was tragic. So, yeah, they didn't pursue the death penalty. A fourth person, Gary Thompson, was charged in January 2015 with the same charges.

[B]

Gary Thompson black.

[A]

Gary do sound black?

[B]

Yeah, nigga, for sure.

[A]

Gary almost got away. Bring Gary black ass in here, we going to jail. Gary going to jail, too.

[B]

Name is Gary. Anything with Gary. And then the last name starts with the T. Black, right?

[A]

Very black. That's why he got charged. Poor guy. I feel bad for Gary. It ain't right for him to get charged.

[B]

Watch you find out he's Asian.

[A]

So in April 2015, a fifth man, Glenn Holtz, was charged with conspiracy commit to commit arson. So I think these are the two guys who were in the van.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Holtz and his then fiance babysat Shirley's daughter on the night of the explosion. Shirley alleged that Holtz initially came up with the idea. Okay, so Shirley, you are here dropping dime on everybody. Like, they babysat your daughter, like, so

[B]

everybody could get to smoke.

[A]

Shirley was like, I was also at the bank earlier, and Nutella told me it was a good idea too. Get that bitch too. Go to First Trust National Bank.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And ask for Ashley. Cause I gotta go to jail.

[B]

I'm sorry. If anybody has not watched First 48, that is the number one show. If you wanna see people give up and just rat on everybody.

[A]

Everybody.

[B]

They don't hold back.

[A]

Like, damn, they babysit your child. You gonna do that? So prostitutors contend that they filled the house with natural gas, like talk to their neighbor about. And then use a spark from a microwave, which could be set in advance to detonate it. The alleged motive for the arson was to collect the insurance money to ease financial strain. Shirley was set to receive over $300,000 in insurance money for the replacement of the home as well. That's not even a lot of money. I mean, not enough to change your life. Not enough money. Shirley, you was about to be having to blow your house up, like, every two years. $300,000, baby.

[B]

Like, come on.

[A]

They're like, surely blew a house up again.

[B]

Yeah. Wow. Something about that house, it's just really going off.

[A]

Shit is flammable. So, yeah, only $300,000, which I. I also said was not enough. Investigators found out that the couple had its substantial debt, including $63,000 in credit card debt. How do you have $63,000? This is a white problem. Never had a limit. That was $63,000. How many credit cards do you have to get to have $63,000 in credit card debt?

[B]

There could be school debt. Debt is universal.

[A]

That says credit card debt. It says credit card debt. This is not school debt. That means a credit card company let them spend $63,000.

[B]

It's still dumb, because 300,000, minus 63,000. Like, you still not enough money, right?

[A]

Not at all. When they finish $237,000, when they're finished

[B]

with everything, they gonna about have a hundred thousand, which you can finish that. You could blow that in six months.

[A]

A friend of the couple reported $10,000 at that Hollywood casino approximately three weeks before the explosion.

[B]

That was God letting him know, see, you don't. You can't even hold 10 GS, bruh.

[A]

You lost 10 GS at the casino. He was like, damn.

[B]

On, God. He was like, yeah, I just shouldn't have money.

[A]

I guess. We gotta blow the house up. Yeah, but first, let me tell my friends that I'm blowing the house up.

[B]

Dumb. I talk too much. That's why I can't commit any kind of crimes. I let people know before I'm gonna.

[A]

Oh, no, I'll keep it a secret.

[B]

No, I'll drink one Arnold Palmer, and I'll be at the bar. Like, girl, let me tell you what I'm about to do this weekend.

[A]

Blow my house up.

[B]

I'm about to get this money. And then I'm like, what y' all drinking? Pellegrino. I got it.

[A]

Also, Mark talked too fucking much. Like, he obviously told somebody he lost $10,000, which is a flex. If you tell somebody you lost $10,000 in the casino, it's a flex to just have $10,000 to lose.

[B]

I would say I was robbed. I would never say that I lost. I would say they. I would Jussie Smollett the whole situation, because I'm not telling nobody that I lost $10,000. That's embarrassing.

[A]

Yeah, look, you gotta drip, drop, drip, drippity drop.

[B]

Yo, they held me at gunpoint.

[A]

They pistol whipped me. They have no bruises.

[B]

They put a ball in my anus. Like, I'm going all out.

[A]

I think it's a flex. I think it's a flex to be like, ah, I lost the 10 GS in the casino. You know how I do.

[B]

Anyway, I'm tired of Mark. He gotta go. Is he in jail now?

[A]

Let me get another aperol spritz. Oh, you know, Marcus, under the jail, a second mortgage was taken out on the home for $65,000 in addition to the original home loan of $116,000. So I didn't already mortgage this home. They put out a second mortgage on this.

[B]

It just wasn't made for them to win.

[A]

Like anybody watching your your has got red flags. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like, you increase your insurance and then you also took out a second mor on your home.

[B]

Like, I would be mad if I was them listening to you tell their story. I'm like, damn, Were we really that stupid?

[A]

Y' all were very dumb. For real. So prosecutors initially sought to try the couple together, but defendants were granted the right to have separate trials. I think this is Shirley's doing. She was like, don't try me with that nigga. Like, he is a crazy.

[B]

She's like, I was an accomplice by default.

[A]

Prosecutors then proposed an unusual strategy involving one trial, but three separate juries, one for each defendant. This type of trial is unusual but not unheard of. So basically, the last time that they did this kind of trial in this state was for the Menendez brothers. Yo, they Menendez. These niggas.

[B]

Talk about legendary.

[A]

That. That's. You get a Menendez trial, that mean they really trying to make sure your ass go to jail. That ain't even fair.

[B]

That's right behind the O.J. simpson murder. The Menendez brothers.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

They killed their parents.

[A]

Oh, they very much killed their parents.

[B]

Parents. Wow.

[A]

So the defendants requested that the trials be moved over concerns that they would not receive a fair trial in central Indiana due to the high profile media coverage by the case. And they Actually got granted that. So they got to be tried, like, in some random ass place where I guess people don't know Shirley. And they don't know Mark Leonard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Shirley pled guilty to two counts of conspiracy to commit arson, and she testified against all the other suspects. Shirley came out here and dropped dime on everybody.

[B]

You have to. That's the only way that you can have immunity and get the fuck out in a decent timeframe. And I'm here for that.

[A]

She admitted to raising the limit on her insurance coverage because Mark urged her to and only went along with the plot out of love for him.

[B]

I was a man.

[A]

This is a man. Look, guys, I was diplomatized court stenographer. Can you put diplomatized on the record?

[B]

No, she said the patriarchy dickmatized, which

[A]

is a real medical condition. I have a psychiatrist here to testify about dictamatization. Dictimization, yes. Can we get my psychiatrist to the stand? He literally fucked my brains out, guys. I had no brains. And that's why I put.

[B]

I feel like that's valid.

[A]

He fucked me so good,

[B]

I took

[A]

him to Red Lobster. And also, I let him blow up my house.

[B]

Yeah, But I would love to. I know Shirley got some friends that be like, I was there. That bitch is dumb.

[A]

She.

[B]

She would do this done before she even got the dick that I would just want. Where are her friends at who know her?

[A]

Well, she don't got no good friends. Because I feel like I would talk to my friends. I'd be at brunch, be like, y'. All. I just started seeing this man. His name Mark Litter. Two first names. I'm actually gonna show you a picture of Shirley. Ooh, yes.

[B]

Finally.

[A]

So this is my girl Shirley.

[B]

Oh, the haircut.

[A]

Hello, baby. She looked like, ah.

[B]

She. She would definitely give up her whole family.

[A]

That haircut just asked me to hang

[B]

her hair for a ham sandwich.

[A]

That haircut just asked me to see the manager. This haircut says I have biracial children.

[B]

Yeah. And who are those men next to her? Is that fair?

[A]

So this is Mark Leonard, the one in the middle right here. That's Mark Leonard. He not even that fine.

[B]

He look like possibly meth has been in the family.

[A]

I think he's an Indianapolis 7, though. I think maybe, you know, and also, you know, when you get older and you look like Shirley, any man looking

[B]

your way, you probably like, she started to get desperate.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

But she. Where she originally fucked up is that haircut. That's what got her in. The problems that she is in right now.

[A]

That haircut actually is the reason that her life fell apart.

[B]

Yeah, literally.

[A]

She also should have dropped dime on her hairstylist. And also, y' all need to go get Talia Johnson. Talia and super, get that bitch and put her in jail, too.

[B]

Talia is such a hairdresser name.

[A]

Cause she gave me this haircut.

[B]

Like a tacky hairdresser who, like, uses Vidal Sassoon.

[A]

Oh, yes. You know she used Vidal Sassoon. So. Mark Leonard's trial began in June of 2015. His defense team admitted that the blaze was intentionally set, but told jurors it was only intended to be a small fire, and that murder was never his intention. The defense became that Richmond Hill explosion was supposed to be stupid and selfish insurance fraud that went horribly wrong. Adding precautions were taken to ensure people weren't harmed, which I believe. They obviously babysat their daughter and they even put their cat away, which I. That is.

[B]

This is why I'm not saying I hate people like this, but I hate people like this. You care more about animals. Animals than human beings.

[A]

They had 3000 pieces of evidence. Prosecutors had 3000 pieces of evidence. And they had potential to call up 175 witnesses. How you done told 175 people you was gonna blow up your house? 175.

[B]

Cheryl was at Payless. Like, girl, I'm gonna be able to buy this, this whole place. Watch. I got something in the works. Girl, get you a pair of shoes. I got you. Put it on my tab.

[A]

They were like, oh, you need these in a six and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can I get them in a six and a half? Also? I'm blowing up my house. Yeah. Welcome to Chick Fil A. How may I help you? Hi, can I get a three piece nugget meal with extra sauce? I know y' all charging now, but it's cool. Cause I'm gonna blow up my house.

[B]

I know y' all charging now. Weren't they always charging?

[A]

You know, they charge for extra sauce now at Chick Fil A? Okay, okay, yes, but you can.

[B]

Obviously, I don't shop there.

[A]

It's a delicious bad place. But literally, Shirley was out here telling everybody she was about to blow her house up. They were like, man, we need to violate your car. You're like, yeah, here, my keys. Also, I'm about to blow my house up. Like, how do 175 people know you was about to blow up your house?

[B]

No, what happened? What happened is. What happened is that she told three people, and then that's how the whole town found out.

[A]

And this is Indianapolis. Yeah, you right. Like, that's a good story. If somebody told me they was blowing up their house and I was in Indianapolis, I would definitely be sharing that with everyone. So Bob Leonard was convicted on 51 counts, including murder and conspiracy to commit otherson. Can't talk. He was sentenced to two life sentences without parole, as well as well as 70 years from other charges. So they was like, don't pass go. Don't collect $200. Harassing, never leaving jail.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Montserrat. So Shirley pled guilty to conspiracy to commit arson. Her attorneys argued that she was trapped in an abusive relationship and was coerced by Mark Leonard to participate in the crime. So now she says abusive. So before she was.

[B]

Oh, she's playing a victim now.

[A]

Now who's also abusive. I'm not gonna question. I can't question that.

[B]

I love putting on that victim cardigan. You know what I mean? Real fresh. Fresh Ann Taylor, victim cardigan. Like, real fall of 2020. I'm into it. Yeah.

[A]

Into it. I love this song. It's my favorite song. Gary Thompson, our black man who's just roped into this. He's actually white, but Gary Thompson pled guilty to conspiracy to commit arson and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. All he did was babysit her daughter, and he got 30 fucking years. Happens. You hate to see it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But Mark is the most petty because he died.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Tuesday, January 30, 2018. So he only served three years.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

He's at all. Y' all thought I was going to jail, Bitch, I'mma die.

[B]

The gag. The gag is I'm out. Literally, I'm out of this world.

[A]

I'm out. I'm leaving the world, bitch. You thought I was gonna do these? 70. Like a real scammer. He died. He said, boy, you see this hairline?

[B]

I'm not doing. I am not going bald in this bitch. I'm out. Shout out to him.

[A]

I stand a king, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And also the reason I said that Shirley should have probably let her daughter blow up in the house was Shirley's daughter.

[B]

You're so problematic. But.

[A]

Yeah, I know, but her daughter testified against them. She testified against her mama, which. What? I would never testify against my mama.

[B]

I would. Without a doubt. I wouldn't even hold back for a

[A]

two piece and a biscuit, baby. You testifying for too little. Yeah, that's how I'm telling you.

[B]

I don't give a. That's how little I have Invested.

[A]

Shout out to Mark because he was a career scammer.

[B]

Is that the end of the story?

[A]

And he died as he lived. Yes. They went to jail. Shirley did have to go to jail. Look at her going to jail. They got. They got photos of her going to jail, so she might as well die too. Swipe over it and see how she's, like, so distraught.

[B]

Oh, she got black hair now. Yeah, she didn't let them get to her.

[A]

Well, you can't. Talia can't do your highlights when you in jail.

[B]

True, true, true. I'm fucked up. That's my bad. I clearly don't know how to gel. I don't know. Do people be having FaceTime and whatnot now? And they have WI fi and they can post on Facebook.

[A]

So I'm just assuming JT from the City Girls went to jail. I was like, oh, you can have so much in jail. JT be posted on her Instagram from jail. No. Yes. Oh, I love it.

[B]

I'm so tired.

[A]

Real hot girl shit.

[B]

I know. I'm exhausted.

[A]

If I go to jail, my Instagram will still be popping for show. For show.

[B]

No, thank you, but yeah.

[A]

So shout out to Mark Leonard again, King. He died as he lived.

[B]

I'm proud of Mark. I would have done the same thing. How dare I? So I'm not. So you're saying I'm not getting my money and I'm going to jail. I'm out.

[A]

I'm dying. I'm a notebook myself. I'm a will myself to die.

[B]

I'm not getting this money and I got it. Oh, wow.

[A]

Not suicide. I'm just going to mentally will myself to die. They said he died of natural causes.

[B]

Ah, bitch. You know, that was a scam itself. You know, he was able to. To say there's no way he died naturally in jail. I don't know. I've never heard of that. How old was he?

[A]

48.

[B]

Nobody is dying naturally in jail at 48. It's just not happening.

[A]

Maybe. I don't know. I think he willed himself to die. I think he went to sleep and was like, this is it. I'm not waking up, honey.

[B]

I've tried that before. And I woke up and I was like, fuck, I'm still here. So there's. That doesn't work unless he got some. Some, like, spooky white man powers where he could just, you know, do such a thing. It's not real. You can't do it.

[A]

He had the kind of dick that makes you give away $53,000. So you know what? Illuminati. Naughty, naughty. He called on the powers of his dick.

[B]

So he just rubbed his dick three times and was like, I wish I was dead.

[A]

I wish it was dead.

[B]

And then I wish I was dead.

[A]

I think that's how it happened. It is time for Scammer of the Week. Scammer of the Week is where we just highlight an exceptional charlatan and just give them a little bit of praise at the end of the episode. This week, it is Shaniqua Jordan, who was charged with larceny and attempted larceny. She's a fashion blogger who is known on Instagram as Simplicity x Style.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

And she's known for posing in high fashion brands such as ysl, Louboutin, Chanel, and going to some pretty serious legal troubles because she was scamming a connection. Connecticut woman. She apparently stole $50,000 from a Connecticut woman.

[B]

Wait, let me see a picture of her.

[A]

Let me find a picture of her. So she posted five days ago, and she's got the new Chanel bag. She's super cute.

[B]

So how much did she steal?

[A]

She stole $50,000 from a Connecticut woman. But I'm sure that wasn't the first time she stole $50,000. Not even that much, right? Also, do it for the gram. Like, she's doing it for a cause. I don't want her to get caught. I was sad that she got caught.

[B]

She looks great. I'm about to follow her. I want to see her journey, y'.

[A]

All. I'm about to get fashion tips from her.

[B]

Yes, Work these looks.

[A]

Honestly, she's doing a community service, and I don't think that she could have got, like, should have got pinched. And I feel bad for her. She's beautiful.

[B]

She looks great.

[A]

I'm into it.

[B]

Here, let me send this to myself.

[A]

But also, I feel Sydney's really following her, right? Instagram. I also feel like probably most Instagram fashion bloggers are running some kind of scam, because how are you keeping up with these looks?

[B]

Yo, I be so, so mad because I'm just like, one. Not only are you looking good, but then you're traveling. It's not fair.

[A]

I have.

[B]

What is your. I. I don't need to know what your income is. Like, I don't need to know how

[A]

much she's working hard, though. Scams are hard work.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

Scams are very hard work. They're depleting. They're exhausting. And also, you have to stay ahead of the game. Like, when you scam you gotta be thinking about your next scam.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

You can't be just in the moment, which is with scams, that's not how they work. That's why Mark Leonard got picked up his.

[B]

He's like, so we.

[A]

He was trying to do.

[B]

To set it off. Like, oh, we just going to rob this last bank and then that's it. And it's like, actually, everybody died except you, literally. Yeah, well, Mark died too.

[A]

Mark died too. Mark went out like Queen Latifah and set it off. Just riddled with bullets. He did.

[B]

And I love that you got like a G, you know? Don't let them see you with your head down.

[A]

Nah, let's. My Mark wasn't about to do that jail time. He wasn't doing that bid.

[B]

I'm still upset about yesterday. I can't believe, like, I'm so frazzled. I don't even know why. It's like, I knew nothing was going to happen, but I tricked myself into believing. I was like, oh, she totally is into me.

[A]

Well, that's the biggest part of scams is like, scam artists know that you can't just scam anybody. You have to scam someone who's kind of willing to be scammed a lot.

[B]

Little bit.

[A]

It's that hope. We call it the despo meter. Like, how desperate are you?

[B]

Look at that gem you just dropped.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, are you gonna suck dick for water? How desperate are you? You know?

[B]

Well, sorry, sis. I was on a set not sucking dick for water. I'm better than that. How dare you try to drag me on your podcast with your listeners who don't know me from Adam. That is disrespectful and you should lose your friend card on that. I don't know if I'll be speaking to you after this drops straight up and down.

[A]

That was a fyre fest reference.

[B]

Said, no. I had Andy King.

[A]

Yeah. Canceled.

[B]

He's canceled, like, after what, a month? I was like, who? Andy who?

[A]

I want Andy King to have a career, you know, he's doing.

[B]

I heard he was going to have a show.

[A]

Yeah. He needs to hop on it faster. I hope he is coming out.

[B]

He is a real scam artist because all of a sudden you talking about sucking dick for some festival that you knew was shit from jump.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

He knew. If he was like, if I say this in this documentary, my shit's going to pop. I.

[A]

And yeah, and then he's an opportunist and I love it. That's what you have to be as a scammer, too. Like, it's also. Scamming is about opportunity. Like, if a door is unlocked, if a safe is cracked. You know what I mean? Like, you have to be ready to hop on those moments.

[B]

I looked at that picture of that commissioner and a no way he was going to be getting his dick sucked ever.

[A]

Billy McFarlane was on Molly Content. And I think that he literally probably called Andy and was like, yo, we need you to get this water. Like, do whatever you gotta do. Suck dick for it. And, like, probably was joking. And Andy, like, took that moment and was like, but I put some breath freshener in my mouth.

[B]

Shut up. And then he went there. And I was like. I was looking at the guy that he was supposed to suck his dick. And I was just like, no, he's not allowing that.

[A]

Like, he was like, he.

[B]

And even he said in the documentary, he's like, yeah, you ain't gotta do that. Just make sure we get our money.

[A]

No, no, no. I' ma suck the dick. It was like he volunteered to suck the dick. Everyone was like, andi, no, we don't need you to. Andy, tell the truth.

[B]

You was running. You were willing to, and you were ready. You wanted to.

[A]

But I already put my lip gloss on. Somebody dick getting sucked.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I put Listerine in my mouth. Somebody dick getting sucked.

[B]

He probably was like, does anybody know where Ja Rule is? He was looking for Ja Rule the whole time during Fyre Festival. He's like, so I heard I had to suck a dick.

[A]

What do I do about my baby? Yo, Ja Rule is the biggest scammer of all. He really got away from this unscathed. In fact, he got publicity. I was like, I didn't know Ja Rule had enough money to scam anyone.

[B]

No, he had publicity. People still weren't on his side, so he got publicity and still is in the hole.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

So he's not a good.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

You have to be likable, and he's not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't care if you are on this boat with your shirt off. I don't care how many abs you have. We still remember. We remember what 50 Cent did to you, and you're done. Yeah.

[A]

You know why he didn't get away with that shit? Because you have to go to jail after you lose a rap beef so that you can get your cred back. Cause Meek Mill went to jail after Drake beat him in the rap beef. And now we, like, all respect Meek Mill again. Do we yeah. No, after he went to jail, he became an activist, and we were like, oh, my God, Meek Mill. Like, we love you.

[B]

Oh, it just so worked out that he's an act, a quote, quote, activist.

[A]

You gotta go to jail, though. You can't just lose a rap beef and then just, like, try to exist as a rapper anymore. That's what fucked up with Ja Rule. That's why he never got back on top.

[B]

No, he never got back on top because he's one corn on the cob. Cream of Corn. It was. It didn't take 50 Cent to do that much to ruin his whole career, you know? Yeah, he was making hits, but it hits at the expense of. Of what?

[A]

But Ja Rule is a scammer. Anyone who can growl on audio and make a career out of that is a scammer.

[B]

Sorry. DMX was the number one of that. And he was not a scammer. He was about that life. He was a pit bull in a skirt.

[A]

That was the.

[B]

No, that was Eve. Never mind. I'm sorry.

[A]

That was the issue with dmx. He could stay out of jail.

[B]

He's like, I'm about that life.

[A]

He's too about that life.

[B]

He's like, this is my brand.

[A]

All right. Zid, it was so amazing having you.

[B]

I had a good time, but I'm still upset you did not help me from the issues that I had from yesterday.

[A]

I'm sorry. Look, I'm gonna give you an ayanla hug. If I had bigger titties, you would be more comforted. No. Like, when I get older, I have to get breast implants. Cause I want to be, like, a wise black woman. And you have to have huge tits to be a wise black woman. You know you do. No one wants to hug you with your, like, tits not being in enveloping them.

[B]

You know what I mean? Oh, that's gross. I don't want to feel your tits.

[A]

Are you kidding? I want to be in Oprah's tits so bad, like, and just cry in them. And I bet they're so soft.

[B]

Okay, you will not do that to our queen. That is my president. How dare you? You better respect her.

[A]

I do respect her.

[B]

We don't even mention that she has breasts. Okay, that's so weird. You're nasty. She is family.

[A]

I'm not sexualizing them. I'm saying that they're probably soft. I want to cry on them.

[B]

No. Oh, you've been around too many men. That's what that is. That's that toxic masculinity coming out. Pouring out of you.

[A]

Wow. I'm being called a toxic masculine person on a podcast.

[B]

I don't care about them bundles you have in your head. You are a guy.

[A]

I only wear the finest hair. I watch them cut it off of the woman's head.

[B]

You're on a show now. You have to to do better. Like, if I was on a TV show, bitch, first of all, I wouldn't even be on this podcast. I would be like, first of all, I'm gonna have 12 assistants do my podcast for me and just mention my name every two seconds. And also, I would also promote the show every two seconds.

[A]

I'm a scammer. I like to get my hands dirty. I like to be a part of it.

[B]

You are. You're out here doing the field work

[A]

and it's great, but where can people find you? Sid.

[B]

Okay, guys, so I'm on Instagram, just said bw. If you want to see photos that are lit lit Liddy, which is so hot with long ass captions, that's where you go. Yes.

[A]

Twitter.

[B]

I be struggling on there. I'm a work in progress. I'm trying to get to 10k followers. I'm gonna get there, but it's gonna take me some time. Go to just Sid NYC with a Y. Sid with a Y. Yeah, just sit. No, just Sid BW nyc.

[A]

Girl, you don't even know Twitter. What is your handles?

[B]

Hold on. I don't know my handles because I don't really want people to go to Twitter like that because I'm like embarrassed that I should be doing better. Okay, it's just Sid nyc. So that's J U S T S Y D N Y C. There we go.

[A]

People can find you.

[B]

And I have a podcast called the Unofficial Expert.

[A]

Unofficial Expert. Guys, it's so funny. It's so funny.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Listen to it.

[B]

You're doing good work and we. I'm very lucky to have you in my life.

[A]

I love you also. Guys, email us with your scams. Email us. Tell us how you've gotten scammed at scam goddess pod gmail.com you can follow us at Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter and also on Instagram. You can follow me at divalacy D I V A L A C I on all platforms, including pay passing me money. I love you guys. Bye bye. Damn Goddess.