The Career Conman Jeremy Wilson with Nicole Byer (Re-Release)

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode: "The Career Conman Jeremy Wilson with Nicole Byer (Re-Release)"

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Nicole Byer
Date: November 24, 2020

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess features the hilarious Nicole Byer joining Laci Mosley to dissect scams from personal, pop culture, and historical perspectives. The focus is the wild exploits of serial conman Jeremy Wilson, an expert in identity theft and confidence trickery. Together, Laci and Nicole shine a comedic light on scams affecting everyone from catcallers to grandparents, and finally lay out the outlandish, twist-filled story of Wilson’s scamming career.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Histories with Scamming

Timestamps: 01:04–04:56

• Nicole’s Youthful Schemes: Nicole admits to minor “scams” as a child, like tricking her dad or getting free rides from catcallers in New York. She jokes about taking advantage of street interactions and the complexities of modern rideshare safety.

  "Some women, me included, will go, which one?" – Nicole Byer [01:54]

• Uber and Stranger Danger: Both hosts compare the absurdity and potential dangers of getting into cars with strangers, whether hitching a ride with a catcaller or blindly trusting a rideshare app.

  "I make them roll their window down, and then I'm like, who is this for?...then I look in, they phone from the window and see my face, and then I get in the car." – Laci Mosley [03:03]

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2. What’s Hot in Fraud: The Grandparent Scam

Timestamps: 06:51–17:54

• Overview: The “grandparent scam” targets the elderly, tricking them into wiring cash (average: $9,000) to strangers posing as distressed family members.

  “The scammers are checking on meemaw. They call in a panic...when they know old people are disoriented.” – Laci Mosley [07:20]

• A Victim’s Story: Laci shares the account of a man manipulated into sending money until his wife intervened. They discuss how scammers gather family information from social media, and why lonely or less tech-savvy grandparents are especially vulnerable.
• Memorable Quote:

  "Any phone call that starts 'Don't be afraid'—oh, well, I'm instantly fearful." – Nicole Byer [12:22]

• Personal Anecdotes: Nicole tells of giving false info to authorities after a DUI, and her dad refusing to fall for any scheme—real or fake.
• Broader Insight: Both hosts reflect on how too much information online enables new scam techniques.

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3. Historic Hoodwink: The Mad Tale of Jeremy Wilson (aka Finn, aka Angus)

Timestamps: 18:40–44:51

Meeting Finn/Jeremy/Angus:

• Romance Hustle: Jeremy (posing as “Finn” with an Irish accent) meets 19-year-old Angela on OkCupid, pretends to be 24 (he’s actually 35), and spins false tales of MIT, military intrigue, and tragedy.

  "So in 16 hours, this 24 year old man was like, I was married. My daughter died of cancer. I'm in the military, I go on secret missions. And homegirl was like, yes, yes. That's insane." – Nicole Byer [29:52]

Conning & Manipulation:

• Living Situations: He couch-surfs, manipulates friends for their identities, and never hesitates to use others for personal gain.
• Hotel Room Scam:
  • Use of fake faxed corporate credit forms to scam free nights at hotels:

    "For a stay less than 24 hours with no room service charges, you fax a corporate authorization to the hotel to bill the room to the company..." – Laci Mosley [32:59–33:48]

  • Nicole is impressed:

    "Honestly, great scam. Fantastic. Great scam. Very smart." – Nicole Byer [33:48]

Escalation & Downfall:

• Identity Theft: Steals identities through couch-surfing, manipulates vulnerable women, and moves from scam to scam across cities.

• Exposure: Eventually, a roommate discovers his bag of fake IDs and alerts authorities. He’s finally caught for (ironically) "stealing his own car"—arrested under his false identity.

  "He got arrested for stealing his own car. That's beautiful. That's truly so fucking beautiful." – Nicole Byer [44:12]

• Sentencing: Jeremy Wilson is extradited across states to face multiple charges and serves 7–14 years in prison.

  • Laci's take:

    "I love people like that. Like confident scammers." [38:48] "You have that many skills, you don't belong in jail. We need you. The city needs you." [39:21]

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4. Scammer of the Week: Fast Food Freebies

Timestamps: 45:07–47:48

• Scam Tip from Listeners:
  • Change a contact name in your phone to match a restaurant promotions sender, then have a friend send you a “legit”-looking coupon via text for free food.
  • Calling restaurants posing as a tour manager for a famous band to get free catering.

    "Google some big concert happening that night, find a big name band and remember it for later. Then call Chipotle or another medium tier food chain... 'We're wondering if you're willing donate some burritos for the tour.'" – Laci Mosley [46:22]

  • Both hosts are delighted at these relatively harmless, creative scams.

    "That's a beautiful, flawless scam." – Nicole Byer [34:59]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Some women, me included, will go, which one?" – Nicole Byer [01:54]
• "Any phone call that starts 'Don't be afraid'—oh, well, I'm instantly fearful." – Nicole Byer [12:22]
• "You gotta have one sibling who'll take one for the team. Because these are lonely grandparents who, you know, are just waiting for the phone to ring." – Laci Mosley [08:03]
• "I love people like that. Like confident scammers." – Nicole Byer [38:48]
• "He got arrested for stealing his own car. That's beautiful. That's truly so fucking beautiful." – Nicole Byer [44:12]
• "That's a beautiful, flawless scam." – Nicole Byer [34:59]

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Episode Segment Timestamps

| Section | Topics Covered | Timestamps | |----------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Personal Scam Anecdotes | Street smarts, catcallers, Uber | 01:04–04:56 | | What’s Hot in Fraud: Grandparent Scams | Grandparent scams, phone spoofing, social media research | 06:51–17:54 | | Historic Hoodwink: Jeremy Wilson | Multifaceted identity scams, manipulation, downfall | 18:40–44:51 | | Scammer of the Week | Listener-submitted fast food scams | 45:07–47:48 |

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Tone and Vibe

The episode is marked by playful banter, irreverent wit, and genuine camaraderie. Both Laci and Nicole exchange street-smart tips, roast scammer techniques, and warn listeners about current con tactics, all in a fast-paced, comedic tone. They revel in the audacity of the world's con artists—while keeping the focus on “victimless” or corporate-targeted scams for comedic relief.

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For New Listeners

This episode exemplifies what Scam Goddess does best: unpacking real-life frauds, offering insightful and hilarious commentary, and providing an entertaining education on the art of the scam—while reminding listeners to “stay schemin’” (responsibly).

Transcript

[Nicole Byer]

Scams C.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery and frauds.

[Nicole Byer]

Scams co.

[Lacey Mosley]

Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. Well, hello.

[Nicole Byer]

Hello. Hi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sometimes we just start rolling and then that's okay. Just the beginning.

[Nicole Byer]

That's great.

[Lacey Mosley]

But guys, hi. Welcome back to SK Scam Goddess, a pod dedicated to fraud. Guys, my guest today really needs no introduction, but I'm gonna introduce down. Cause she is a queen. Guys, I have the legendary, iconic, super talented. Slash, slash, slash. You've seen her on tv. You've seen her in your movie screens. You've seen her on a black lady sketch show. You've seen her on. Nailed it. You hear her voice on her podcast. Why won't you date me?

[Nicole Byer]

Best friends.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's so many podcasts. I'm missing a lot of them.

[Nicole Byer]

I have 1,000 podcasts currently.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nicole by. Oh, my gosh, I'm so excited to have you.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Wait, so what is your relationship with scams?

[Nicole Byer]

I don't like scamming people. Now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now.

[Nicole Byer]

But in my youth, I used to scam my dad a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

I used to scam people for rides. Well, I guess it's not a scam. If you, like, holler at me and you're like, yo, girl on the street. I'll be like, where you going? Like, if you're in a car and.

[Lacey Mosley]

And wait, the cat callers in the car.

[Nicole Byer]

The cat callers in the car. I would be like, where you go? And they're like, uptown. I'm like, well, take us.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God.

[Nicole Byer]

So I've gotten like three or four rides that way with friends in the backseat being like, how did you know these guys? This is so, like, wild. That, like, your friends rolled up on us. And I'm like, bitch, I don't know them.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you're the reason that cat callers have hope? Because I used to always think, like, why? Why do they keep yelling? Like, we always don't respond.

[Nicole Byer]

Some women, me included, will go, which one?

[Lacey Mosley]

And Nicole is a baddie. Y' all don't even see. She's beat hair, blade. And she getting her cute ass in somebody car. That's why they keep yelling at us. They're like, it works. Sometimes it works.

[Nicole Byer]

One time, a fat lady got in my car and it was okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, a fine lady got in the car and brought her friends. This is disrespectful, Nicole. I don't appreciate that you were doing that. Cause that's why I'm still getting yelled at. They was like, uh, one time we had Nicole Byer in the Car.

[Nicole Byer]

But sometimes you can get a free ride. You don't gotta pay the $2.50 for the subway.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen. Ooh, you talking in New York, too. Oh, word. Okay. And that also makes more sense, too, because in New. That's such a pedestrian place. And I feel like getting in somebody's car is not as weird as if you're in LA or in San Francisco or something.

[Nicole Byer]

In New York, you have, like. I think it. Maybe you can't say it now, but a gypsy cab, like, an unmarked cab. Now you have, like, Lyft and Ubers and whatnot. So it's like, now you don't want to get in somebody's car. Right. But then also, we're getting into strangers cars all the time.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And the Ubermans be doing murders to people, too.

[Nicole Byer]

They be murdering. I was gonna murder. I would drive an Uber, and I would pick up and I would cancel the ride and be like, they canceled it. And then I would murder.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo. That's why I literally check every time I get into an Uber. I walk up to the Uber, and then I make them roll their window down, and then I'm like, who is this for? And then they say my name, and then I look in, they phone from the window and see my face, and then I get in the car.

[Nicole Byer]

Honestly, that's how you should be doing it, because I always go for Nikki.

[Lacey Mosley]

I used to do that.

[Nicole Byer]

And that's. And then anyone could go, oh, yes. Yeah, Right. Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that. Literally, I used to do that, and one of my friends cussed me out. She was like, bitch, what are you doing? You asked him for the name, and now the Ubers want your name. Cause they're like, maybe you gonna do murder to me, too. And so I get it. It's a mutual fear that we have, and it's understandable.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. We created this living nightmare we're in where we're just getting. Cause it's convenient, but it's terrifying.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. But I do hope that there was that case with the Uber murder not too long ago, of the young woman who got into a car that she thought was an Uber.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

But it wasn't. Yeah, but I feel like real drivers aren't doing that because your car's tracked. Like, it's like, we're gonna know exactly who you are.

[Nicole Byer]

Absolutely. That. And it gives you the make and model of the car. But, like, a lot of people don't know makes and models of cars.

[Lacey Mosley]

Facts.

[Nicole Byer]

I'll be with a friend. I'll be like, we're looking For a Mazda. And they're like,

[Lacey Mosley]

are we okay?

[Nicole Byer]

Who's Mazda? Like, zoom, zoom. Come on, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo. And also, there was a case where an Uber driver did do murders, but he never murdered his passengers. It was like he was driving and he would stop doing shit where you

[Nicole Byer]

eat,

[Lacey Mosley]

then get back in the start

[Nicole Byer]

picking people up and driving them around. Fully sociopathic. And I kind of love it. It's like in between rides, you're murdering

[Lacey Mosley]

people, but not to ride.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, no, I'll get you to your desktop.

[Lacey Mosley]

He still got five stars. Oh, wow. Well, let's get into it. Our first segment is called what's Hot? And Fraud. So that's when we talk about, you know, what's.

[Nicole Byer]

Do you like the city girls?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, I love the city girls.

[Nicole Byer]

They are all about scamming dudes. And one of them is literally in jail for fraud. And I was like, they were watch. They were talking the walk. They were talking the dogs. They were actually scamming me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fucking on a scamming ass. Rich. Nice.

[Nicole Byer]

And they were doing it. Yes. Pre jt, she was scamming.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I still want her free. And I'm so glad she's getting out in the fall.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, she is.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think October. You know, I keep up. I keep up. And have you seen her jail Instagram?

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

JT's jail Instagram is so lit. I don't know who is giving her cell phone Instagram filters. Her brows are snatched. I'm like, I don't know who's getting these brows together and the clink. But, honey, they're good.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, I can just imagine if you're in a nice lady jail. Everyone takes care of each other, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, turn around. This is JT and J. Oh, she got the fucking Adidas on with laces.

[Nicole Byer]

I guess they ain't worried about her.

[Lacey Mosley]

She got a little. Look at this eye. She got a wing tie. Is that blue eyeliner, Bitch, she got blue eyeshadow on.

[Nicole Byer]

She don't have no lashes, but okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lashes must be real contraband.

[Nicole Byer]

But she funny. Yes, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at the prison leg pop. Post it, Post it. Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

This is so funny to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

This has got 200,000 likes. The girl JT is out here. Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, my God. Oh, I guess the prison uniform is Adidas, right? Adidas fashion Nova. They're like, in a Fashion Nova fit. This is funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think that they let her change for this. For some reason, she be getting some privileges, you know what I mean? Look, when I go to jail, this is how. Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

If I Go to jail. You gotta treat me like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me stop the squat, Let me take some pictures. My Instagram got to stay current. Just cause I'm locked down don't mean that I can't turn up. You know what I mean?

[Nicole Byer]

That is. I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Isn't that amazing?

[Nicole Byer]

So fucking cool.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love the city girls. I love that they're thieves. And they're so proud.

[Nicole Byer]

They really are so proud of it. And I'm proud of them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And I mean they're scamming like credit card companies and like huge corporations. So I don't feel bad. Who cares, right? So. But these people, I do feel bad about this scam and I wanna warn you guys. Guys, call your grandparents, okay?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

So what's hot and fried right now is the grandparents scam people around the age of 70 and older handing over an average of $9,000 in cash to scammers who convince them that they need to help out a friend or a family member.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh no.

[Lacey Mosley]

And like, you know, so basically the scammers know that plenty of parents and grandparents, like, y' all don't be calling they ass like you should. Y' all don't be going and pulling up at the house and seeing how Meemaw doing. So the scammer's pulling up. The scammers are checking on meemaw. They call in a panic. They normally call around like either early, early morning or late, late at night when they know all people are disoriented. If I was doing this scam, I would call late at night because my old ass grandparents would be up at the ass crack of die every goddamn day.

[Nicole Byer]

Same my grandparents are up, they're taking walks around the block. But also my grandparents don't like answering the phone. Like they would be like, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow, See that? You must be loving on them. They must have a full life.

[Nicole Byer]

My sister goes and visits them every Tuesday.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you gotta have one sibling who'll take one for the team. Yeah, because see, they're not lonely. That's why. Because these are lonely grandparents who, you know, are just waiting for the phone to ring. They probably talk to telemarketers.

[Nicole Byer]

I talk to telemarketers. I love them. I talk to them for a very long time hoping that they'll put a note and be like, don't call her again.

[Lacey Mosley]

You troll them?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes, I'll be like, so where are you from? Are you dating somebody?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, ma', am. I'm trying to see if you want to switch or electric.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, no, I don't do you want to switch to my team? Would you like to date me?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that's not how this works, ma'.

[Nicole Byer]

Am. That's not how it works, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you have kids, ma'?

[Nicole Byer]

Am? I don't like kids.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't want to buy any of the products that I'm selling?

[Nicole Byer]

Do you want to buy me some flowers when you meet?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what? Actually, I have to go.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, you do?

[Lacey Mosley]

My phone is ringing.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait a minute. Now that I want to keep talking. That's what I do. I like campaign people too. I don't want to hear this shit. I'm going to go vote. Leave me alone. But I'll keep them on the phone for a very long time until they're like, I have to go. And I'm like, please see now I

[Lacey Mosley]

used to do that. I used to block. I used to phone bank for Barack Obama. Cause the first time that he ran for president, I wasn't old enough to vote, which feels like a weird brag. But I wasn't old enough to vote. But I wanted to be involved in the first black president.

[Nicole Byer]

Blessed, booked and youthful.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are youthful as well. The way Nicole be talking. I wish I could see this bitch right now over here getting Gucci and gold. Oh my God. So yeah, I used to call and be like, hey, I don't know why I got this fake ass Brooklyn accent. I need to let it go. I did all this shit yesterday and now I can't let it go. It's not who I am. See, scams. My brain won't turn the scam off. So I used to call and be like, hey, do you wanna. Are you voting for Barack Obama? Blah, blah, blah. And I lived in Texas, so I would get a lot of racist Republicans who would vote in Democratic primaries. Trying to tip the scale, cuz you can do that in Texas. You can vote in both primaries. So they would vote in both to vote for the weaker candidate for Democratic. So this is a scam. They would vote for the weaker Democrat to make sure that their republic Republican candidate had a better chance, man. So I talked to a lot of Republicans, like, my dog is Republican, man.

[Nicole Byer]

Yo, these Republicans are some other shit. That's wild. I never think to do. I got hobbies, right, you know, I have like thoughts, feelings.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Republicans are the biggest scammers.

[Nicole Byer]

I got things to do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, Republicans run scams so hard and they run the worst scams they do

[Nicole Byer]

because it affects people's livelihoods.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they're like, yo, this scam is

[Nicole Byer]

gonna kill a town let's run it.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're gonna kill a town. Let's run it. They're scams. They don't even get anything out of it. It's just hurting other people. Cause they do that during elections. They'll show up to places and check people's IDs outside and tell them that their IDs are invalid. Like, they run all the scams. Republicans, they got the scams, but the grandparents scam. So they call you in the middle of the night, early in the morning, and they tell you that the grandchild is in trouble and needs your help.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

And by help, we mean cash. And by cash, we mean we need you to FedEx it.

[Nicole Byer]

Whoa. They got these old people going to the bank and then going to FedEx. That's two stops.

[Lacey Mosley]

But for an old person, that's probably fun. Like, I got something to do today. I got two activities and Aaron, I'mma go to Wells Fargo.

[Nicole Byer]

I'mma take out some money from my money market, and I'm going to go to FedEx.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait till Gertie hear about this. Wait till Gertie here. I had two things.

[Nicole Byer]

I'mma go to church and Gertie going to be listening to me this time.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, yes, we have a guy right here who actually got scammed. We're just going to hear a little bit of his testimony here.

[Nicole Byer]

Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. But I'm the public defender from Austin, Texas. They have put your grandson in jail after a wreck and he has a DUI offense.

[Lacey Mosley]

The man said Stratton could bail out his grandson if he sent $8,500 cash via FedEx. Something that might sound ridiculous, except that Stratton had actually done just that for a family member once in the past. So he said that he got on the phone and the first thing he hears is, don't be afraid. I'm the public defender for your grandson.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, that, to me, doesn't sound legit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like any phone call that

[Nicole Byer]

starts, don't be afraid. Oh, well, I'm instantly fearful, right? Instantly. This isn't right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I feel like the scammer wasn't even that good. How you gonna call somebody and be like, hey, good evening. Don't be afraid.

[Nicole Byer]

That is so. So there's a scam where it's people go, hi, I'm Carl with the irs. And you're like, uh huh. Sounds official. But it's not someone. Because the IRS will never call you.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, they won't.

[Nicole Byer]

They just send you certified Mail. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then put you in jail. Like, they.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, they'll just, like, scoop you up.

[Lacey Mosley]

They'll pull up on you. They'll place you.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm calling you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They won't call you. Cause they don't want you to think

[Nicole Byer]

Wesley Snipes was just avoiding phone calls.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nah, they picked up Wesley.

[Nicole Byer]

They said, here's some official mail. Wesley, you ain't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay, you know what? And also, snail mail is so petty to be like, you ain't open your mail that you gotta go to jail. So that's so sad also, that he

[Nicole Byer]

had done it once before.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what I was thinking. You must have already had been in some shady shit.

[Nicole Byer]

The family's very shady shape.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

He's like, all right, I'm not afraid. Yup, yup. Another one's in jail.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, your grandson, you must know he's trash, because you ain't even get shook. When they was like, oh, he had a DUI and all this, it was like, yeah, that sound like Tony. That sounds just like Tony.

[Nicole Byer]

If someone was like, nicole, your grandma's in trouble, I would be like, okay, what's her name?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Didn't ask.

[Nicole Byer]

What's her name?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, he said that they knew all the information about his son. And I'm guessing probably from Facebook. Cause you can get on people's faces.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. You can just find out so much

[Lacey Mosley]

and do deep dives. Cause I do that when people die on my Facebook. But it's like somebody that I like, an acquaintance, someone they know dies. Sometimes I get real curious, and I gotta know how they die.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I've gone on deep dives. The deepest dive that I ever did was a high school friend of mine. Her sister passed away, but she was really young, and they didn't say how. And I clicked on the obituary, didn't say how. I clicked on all the tags of other people who were mourning, and they didn't say how. And so I was like, something is up. Something I need to know. So I kept searching until finally I went to the funeral home website. And then it said, if you want to donate, instead of flowers, send a donation to the center of Discovery. So then I clicked on the center of Discovery's website and realized it's a clinic for anorexia.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

It took me a while to get there. That one took me, like, an hour.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, so I got a DUI once. I was not driving. Full disclosure, I was sleeping in my car. But if you're behind the wheel, like, my car was parked Parking breakup. But it was hot, so I had my air on, and I was sleeping with the Aeron in my driver's seat. You can't do that if you're drunk. So I was taken to jail, or not jail, to the hospital. Because when they woke me up, I was very much not coherent. I had a. I think a. A. Point 3, 0.03 blood alcohol levels, which is like almost dead. Or wait, no, 0.08. So it was 0.3.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, it was 0.3. Yeah. That's pretty high.

[Nicole Byer]

So like 0.324. So I don't know. Something wild. And then they called my dad, and they were like, hey, we picked up your sister Catherine. Because I gave them my sister's name. Because I was like, you're not scammers. And my dad just went, catherine goes to school in Chicago, so that wasn't her goodbye, and hung up. And they called him back, and they're like, no, we picked up your daughter in Rucker or like, near the Rutgers camp.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he thought it was a scam?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Or. I don't know what he thought.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or he was like, nicole.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, no, he just kept insisting it wasn't Catherine. And then finally I got home and I was like, oh, yeah, I got arrested. Whatever, Whatever. And he was like, huh. So it was true.

[Lacey Mosley]

So your dad just wasn't falling for no scams.

[Nicole Byer]

Scam my dad. But I could.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, no, we have your child. No, you don't. No, you don't. I actually just called her.

[Nicole Byer]

I know exactly where she is.

[Lacey Mosley]

He doesn't try to figure this out at all. He has more than one dog.

[Nicole Byer]

I have another one. That was my dad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, yeah. So he was like, ah, this is. This sounds like Tony or whatever, and was sent the money and then went home. And in the article, it says he looks at his wife and he goes, it's a scam. And then he cancels the FedEx. And that guy actually got his money back.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, okay, cool.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Except for.

[Nicole Byer]

I think he lied. I didn't know it was a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think his wife told him it was a scam, probably. And he was too proud to admit

[Nicole Byer]

it, that his wife was the one who was like, bitch, you stupid, Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That had to have been what it was he talking about. I looked at my wife. You looked at your wife? And she said to you, if you don't go get our $8,500 back, I'mma beat your old ass. Like, why you trying to act like it wasn't a Whole conversation there.

[Nicole Byer]

Or do you think his grandkid called him and was like, no, I'm fine. Also, why wouldn't you try to contact your grandchild before you send this money at all? Send a text.

[Lacey Mosley]

All people don't understand texts or technology in general. So that makes sense. And they probably like, oh, he in lockdown. He can't pick up the phone. Da, da, da, da. Yeah, but they probably went on Facebook, found this family, found the grandparents, knew that they don't talk a lot. Like, the scammers are good. And there's too much free information out here now.

[Nicole Byer]

There's so much free information. There's a website where you put someone's name in and you can get their previous addresses. Yeah, it's. It's crazy. And then why do we still have to do that?

[Lacey Mosley]

When you, like, apply for shit, you have to put like, nine different addresses.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. For every job you do, you gotta fill out a new W2. And I'm like, but I've done this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, you already have.

[Nicole Byer]

Just go on the computer, find an old one.

[Lacey Mosley]

I keep one old one. And I just change the date over.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, you do? That's really smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, guys, well, we're gonna take a break with some non scam advertisements, and we'll be back. Scams C. All right, guys, we're back with my favorite segment of the show. It's Historic Hoodwinks. I am gonna regale Nicole with a historic tale about a famous scammer. And we're just gonna get her real live opinions about this. I don't think that she's heard of this story before. We'll see. But this is actually gonna be one of the. We're gonna taper down on the romance scams. Cause we've had a few. Romance scamming is, like, one of the biggest parts of the scam industry. But I thought, like, I have Nicole here. Why won't you date me? Like, you are an expert in romance and love and things. And there's. I think you'll have a good time with it.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay. I can't wait.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, guys, this is Jeremy Wilson's story. AKA Finn, AKA Angus Wilson.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Which He's a bald dude. By changing the first name and not the last name, because everybody knows and see him.

[Nicole Byer]

You can track people by their last names, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, like, if you got a response to a name, then you have to remember that name. So you gotta constantly be like, oh, I'm Jeremy. I'm Finn. I'm Angus. Also, Angus.

[Nicole Byer]

Angus is a nasty ass name.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's fucking funny.

[Nicole Byer]

Finn is cute, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Finn is like. I wouldn't fuck with Finn. Okay? Finn, Angus. I don't trust Angus ever. Well, the story is Finn and Angela, okay? So they meet for the first time on OkCupid.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which is that a good dating app?

[Nicole Byer]

I think they're all bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

They're all terrible. But I think OkCupid's like, one of the OG ones. So it was like eHarmony, match.com, plenty of fish, and like, OkCupid, I feel like, were the first ones.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. I feel like I haven't done OkCupid. I haven't done eharmony, but I feel like eharmony would be like, is that where the real. Like, every time I see E. Harmony commercial, it's a black woman with a white man. And they're like,

[Nicole Byer]

it's Christian.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh.

[Nicole Byer]

It's very.

[Lacey Mosley]

So everybody's got kings.

[Nicole Byer]

So everyone. They got kinks for the Lord.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, okay. Well, so they meet on the OkCupid. Her online identity is third chimpanzee, which is a geeky reference to a Jared diamond book on the evolution of human sapiens.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, all right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, champ?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Goodbye. I've never thought. I'm like, my name, right? I'll tell him my name.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll be clever. So he knows that I read. This is like, too much like Angela. I know you one of them bitches who'll be like you. That movie was a book first.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, you love Angela. Shut up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? We good, Angela? We just wanna watch the Hunger Games. And so it didn't take her too long to find someone who also had a nerdy moniker. So Finn also had, like a nerdy little moniker. Now, I don't know if he had a nerdy moniker or if he saw Third Chimpanzee and then went and changed his name maybe.

[Nicole Byer]

And hit her, probably.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause a lot of scamming is about mirroring. It's like, I'm into what you're into. You'll never know who I am. Cause I continue to look like you. Yes. So her online. So she finds this guy, right? They meet up and they have their first date at Steak N Shake.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay. Which is fast food.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, yes, that feels. But she's 19.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, that makes sense. You don't have no money.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't got no sense. Cause, bitch, I ain't going to no

[Nicole Byer]

damn Steak and Shake. Someone's like, meet me at Steak n Shake. I'd be like, you can meet yourself Right. Take me at least to Red Lobster.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Somewhere where they gotta present a check. Bitch, I gotta know. We going to the counter. No, absolutely not. Not absolutely not. But. So they go to Steak and Shake and they talk. He has an Irish accent. Is that sexy? Have you ever dated a guy with Irish accent?

[Nicole Byer]

I've guys with Irish accents.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Like, I can't do it. I sound like a pirate. That so good. Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

Your tastes so good. All right. It tastes like corned beef and cabbage. It's a very bad Irish accent.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think we sound like the pirate from spongebob.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Irish.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's literally what I think Irish people sound like. Well, yeah. So he has an Irish accent. And Angela recalls it's not like a leprechaun. It's like more lifting than that. She said musical.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that he was from Europe, which made her interested in him. Right. The date lasted 16 hours.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, Lord.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how you know you 19, you ain't got nowhere to be. 16 hours.

[Nicole Byer]

You don't have a job.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't got 16 hours for nobody.

[Nicole Byer]

You don't have to go back to school. What?

[Lacey Mosley]

16 hours, nobody's looking for you.

[Nicole Byer]

Honestly, that. Yes. She's young. She is young. There is no way I could talk to a man for 16 hours. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Could a man talk for 16 hours?

[Nicole Byer]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's very true. That is absolutely true.

[Nicole Byer]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

And with no pauses, interruptions, or breaks.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, I'm sure. She said eight things. And he talked uninterrupted for 15 and a half hours.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And her things were like, cool, cool.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, wow. Ooh, never mind.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't finish. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

You keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Right. I hope at least she got another steak and shake meal. I hope that he went back to the counter, got my bitch flowers.

[Nicole Byer]

You gotta get me dinner and breakfast.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, come on, now. We need meals in between. So then she says, we had sex. Of course your young ass had sex with him. He took it to a damn steak and chicken.

[Nicole Byer]

Also 16 hours. Yes. You have to fuck in those 16 hours.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, definitely. At least get something out of this. You know what I mean? You had a steak and a shake, and then you got a little. Got a little. I can't rhyme anything with shake, dick dake shake.

[Nicole Byer]

A little shake and a little.

[Lacey Mosley]

He shook your steak. He gave you the steak.

[Nicole Byer]

He gave you his steak.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Ah.

[Nicole Byer]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, so she said it was her first time doing bds' him. So. So they really. Bitch. Y' all jumped the gun on this one.

[Nicole Byer]

So was it 16 hours cuz he tied her up and left her?

[Lacey Mosley]

Perhaps.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, Angela. I mean, why not first date, get a little kinky?

[Lacey Mosley]

The sex was spectacular. That's what she says. She says the sex was spectacular. And he was the dominant, she was the submissive. And the bedroom bled into the rest of the relationship because he manipulated her.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

So at the time, Finn was couchsurfing and staying with a friend who offered him more than just a place to sleep. So also you doing BDSM at somebody else house. So he like a broke ass Christian Gray.

[Nicole Byer]

I would be so upset if someone tied me up and was like, we gonna fuck on this couch? I'd be like, oh, well, this is a little bit more private. Like I'm very vulnerable.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. You can't be fucking broke ass Christian Grey. The whole reason that we was getting our ass beat by Christian gre. Cause he had a yacht and a plane. Yes. I'm gonna be tied up on your boat.

[Commercial/Announcer]

Hell yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tie me up on the yacht, put

[Nicole Byer]

on your couch, but do not tie me up on the couch. Do not spank me on your couch. I need at least a door, right? You know, Come on now. Just a door.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, your roommate could come home at any time.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, you couch surfing the Audacity.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh my God. If I had someone who was staying with me and I came home and they had a woman tied up on the couch and they were like, oh, we're gonna fuck. Is that okay? I'd be like, you can get the fuck outta my house. That's where you could fuck off. Fuck off.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, he know he's a scammer. Cause like, just taking it too far.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

So when Finn applied for a new driver's license, he used his host's Social Security number and birth certificate. The one that he's staying with on the couch, sir.

[Nicole Byer]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

In return, Finn had agreed to supply the man with a Walther handgun. So we live in America.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is in America.

[Nicole Byer]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can go to Walmart and get a gun.

[Nicole Byer]

Truly, you can go anywhere. You can go to Dick's Sporting Goods and get a gun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally, you can go to McDonald's and probably get a gun.

[Nicole Byer]

Probably get a Happy Meal, and instead of a toy, it's a gun.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. So. And that's fucked up. I hate that that's how it is. But like, why would you give away your identity? Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

You literally said a gun, just a handgun is worth more than my person, my life. That's insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I scan my retina, but I'm gonna get the Smith and Wesson, right? Y' all need to look at my booty hole. But as long as the gun comes with bullets.

[Nicole Byer]

Insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

What? So this guy's an idiot, whoever this guy is. So this deal falls apart, he steals the identity and doesn't even give the man the gun. Okay, Finn is. Finn is greeting. So seeking revenge, Finn's acquaintance calls Angela's family to warn them about his identity and criminal history and give him the real Jeremy. So right now he's going by Finn

[Nicole Byer]

Finn, but his actual name is Jeremy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

Later he'll be Angus.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, you've got it. You've got it. So the homeboy calls the house and is like, hey, your daughter been tied up on my couch getting her ass whooped.

[Nicole Byer]

I would be like, serves her right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, she's dating a scammer. So the family obviously gets upset. The girl's 19, so fucking young. So when he unloaded. Now what is really his real true story. So he was scamming Angela. At first he did say his name was Finn, but he was like, all right, fuck. Like, let me tell you the truth, sis. Cause I'm into you. This is real love that we have. So, okay. My real name is Jeremy Keenan. So actually not even Wilson. So Jeremy Kenan. So the Wilson must have been something he attached on. Later, we'll get to that. So he was not 35. I'm sorry, he was 35, not 24. So he told her on the date that he was 24 and he was 35.

[Nicole Byer]

That's disgusting.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, bitch, that's 11 years. You couldn't tell.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You couldn't win.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Rank or nothing.

[Nicole Byer]

Was he one? Yes. Then she was in denial.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also, I will say this. As a kid in high school, every movie that we saw with 35 year olds pretending to be high school year olds. And that's why I went to high school thinking everybody beard was gonna connect. And it did it. And I was mad.

[Nicole Byer]

You were like, how come everyone has whiskers, Right? Where's my full beard?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, who are these bird chested little boys? And where the fuck is, oh, what's his name? Freddie Princess? Heath Ledger. Oh, okay, Rip, but where the fuck was Heath Ledger? Ain't nobody had no long hair, no jawlines, no nothing.

[Nicole Byer]

Lot of zits. Ugh. Lot of badly dressed little skinny scrawny dudes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So I understand why she might have thought that this 35 year old was 24. Because so wild. When I was in high School, you know, I got hoodwinked too. He hadn't gone to mit. He told her he went to mit. He'd been in prison, but he'd walked away from a work release program.

[Nicole Byer]

He walked away. So he escaped from jail. What do you mean he walked away from a work release? They said, all right, you can go to work.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he said, that don't sound like he was released, do it?

[Nicole Byer]

No way.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't even catch that till you said it like that don't sound like he was released.

[Nicole Byer]

No, I think they let him outside and he was like, I'mma keep going. And then the guards were like, oh, well, he kept walking.

[Lacey Mosley]

They said it was a work release program. He said, you know what? I'm gonna take the release. Yeah, I'm just gonna go, but I'm not gonna take the work. I'm just. Bye.

[Nicole Byer]

Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you so much though.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you for the offer.

[Lacey Mosley]

So. And he told her about an ex wife and a young daughter that had died of cancer. And he hinted about surreptitious military missions overseas and like a complicated weave of intrigue and tragedy and adventure.

[Nicole Byer]

So in 16 hours, this 24 year old man was like, I was married. My daughter died of cancer. I'm in the military, I go on secret missions. And homegirl was like, yes, yes. That's insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

Insane. I would be like, no, that's called 19. No, for some people, this is also a very dumb 19. I wasn't as dumb at that.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't think I was this dumb at 19.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we were also black women. Like, you know, we woke up every day and were like, suspicious. Trust no one. So Angela's father confiscates her car keys and is like, you can't go see this man no more. You ain't gonna see Finn, Angus, Jimmy, Jeremy no more. So she sets up a secret email address to communicate with Jeremy, who's now staying at a five star hotel in Indianapolis.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she asked him, she was like, bae, like, how can you afford such accommodations? You know what I mean? Like, you was whooping me on the couch. We was doing BDSM on your homie couch. Now you're in a five star hotel. And he expl that he wasn't paying for the room, but he wasn't actually stealing it from anyone. And the only victims were the credit card companies and large corporations. Now Angela said this was a turn on cause she anti capitalism.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, fuck the man.

[Nicole Byer]

But I'm like, how do you think he's fucking over a credit Card company. He stole someone's credit card and he's fucking over the person.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, no, no. He's fucking up a amex. No, he is. He's stealing from people, right?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Like he's bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Probably ruining their credit. So Jeremy told Angela that he was gonna leave Indiana and that he wanted her to come along to be his Bonnie and Clyde. She packed a duffel bag with clothes, a Tibetan singing bowl, and a belly dancing scarf. Sis was down.

[Nicole Byer]

She got all of the important things. A bowl and a belly dancing scarf.

[Lacey Mosley]

You said yes. So I guess that was gonna be

[Nicole Byer]

her Persona, this bitch. She was like, mm, time for me to reinvent. I'm a Tibetan monk who belly dances. What a wild fit.

[Lacey Mosley]

What?

[Nicole Byer]

In a duffel bag. They're small.

[Lacey Mosley]

That probably took up a bowl. Right? Like, sis, pack some underwear.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. What? Pack some scents.

[Lacey Mosley]

Pack some tampons. You ain't gonna pack up butt. Lord Jesus. So they go to West Lafayette, she meets Jeremy, and they scam another hotel room. So this is how they do the hotel room scam, which I was very impressed by, and I was like, should I also do this as well? So they go to Kinko's. Now, I say that most scams involve, like, a Kinko's, a Staples, if you like. If you really want to meet a scammer, just linger around. Any kind of, like, Office Max FedEx. Because people aren't just in there for office supplies. No, they're in there for scam supplies. So for a stay less than 24 hours with no room service charges, you fax a corporate authorization to the hotel to bill the room to the company. Explaining this technique. This is how he would scam the room for free.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you make a reservation and you show up late after 5pm this is important when it comes to turning over your credit card. You say that they should already have a credit card authorization faxed to them. They find it and generally check you in. About two hours later, you get a call in the room saying that the card won't allow to make charges. Can you give us another card? To which you reply, actually, no. Hence the facts. I'm sure it's easily fixed, but my office is closed. Can this wait till morning? I'm a white man. They say, of course, Mr. White man, sir. We have you staying with us for three nights. Then you leave at 7am the next morning after raiding the continental breakfast. You get a full belly, a hot shower, a comfy bed, and all you stole was a room that was likely empty anyway.

[Nicole Byer]

Honestly, Great scam. Fantastic. Great scam. Very smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, how do you even figure that out?

[Nicole Byer]

Fucking smart. I don't know. That's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

And like, you have to have so much confidence to do this and then be like, you're inconveniencing me by asking me for money.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Call me back in the morning.

[Nicole Byer]

I want to try it, right? I want to go to like a really expensive hotel and try it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it has to work because so many corporations have deals with hotels, because conferences, because people who stay there often. Like, this shit has to work.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Like, if you go to Portland or whatever, you could just do that with like Adidas, because Adidas has their headquarters.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

You just have to find like a big corporation. I think Nike's in Seattle. Or maybe they're in Portland. They're both in Portland. So, yeah, just like, I work for

[Lacey Mosley]

Nike with so much money that they don't.

[Nicole Byer]

Here's the corporate authorization form. I'm sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sorry.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, you know Nike, and they're like, yeah, of course we know Nike. That's flawless. Flawless scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know how Nike be. You know, Listen, I'll call Mr. Nike in the morning.

[Nicole Byer]

I'll call Carl Nike in the morning. I don't know why Carl's my go to name.

[Lacey Mosley]

It sounds. Sounds good though.

[Nicole Byer]

Carl Nike. That's. Honestly, I am shook. That's a beautiful, flawless scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So he was doing it all across the country. So then obviously they need something that. Where they can stay for more. More than one night consecutively. So they're back on couch surfing. There's a couch surfing website. Jeremy and Angela get on there and he pretends to be Irish because apparently more people want him to stay on their couch when he has an accident. He's realized.

[Nicole Byer]

So it makes sense because he's foreign and that's like endearing. Like, oh, my God, he's from another country. He doesn't have a place. Yeah, of course.

[Lacey Mosley]

Am I couch. And also, foreign people seem less scary when it comes to, like, doing random stuff.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah. Cause you're like, oh, I don't know what they do in Ireland.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And also, like, Americans, I'm always looking for you to murder me. But like a foreign person, I'm like, I know y' all be chilling over there. Y' all don't even be doing murders like that. I've gotten in so many foreign people's cars.

[Nicole Byer]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

In London, I just got into some foreign dudes car. I love it. I did ask them if they was gonna murder Me first. And they said no.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then they didn't. They made good on their deal.

[Nicole Byer]

That's nice.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, hey. But okay, so they're staying in this kind of, like, woodlandish area. They're couch surfing. And she gets sick. So she gets, like, a bad case of vertigo. So she's, like, laid up in the situation where they're staying. And he is, like, going out constantly and coming back with, like, military uniforms and, like, equipment that's, like, definitely, like, military looking.

[Nicole Byer]

Whoa.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I truly don't understand. Which to me, almost seems like he was about to turn into a mass shooter.

[Nicole Byer]

But he didn't. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was pretending to be a veteran.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Angela, actually, her father is a veteran. So she started to kind of figure out that he was lying because she was like, vets don't want to talk about war. They don't want to talk about what they've seen. And he would always be like, yes. Back when I was in the war and my friend Jimmy got his leg blown off. Jimmy and his leg.

[Nicole Byer]

Papa never talks about his Jimmy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. He always just gets sad. So she started to figure out that he was lying. But they want to go to a military base that was nearby to get some groceries. Because she knows from growing up as, like, an army brat that military bases tend to have, like, exotic food and, like, good, good, good eats. I remember going to the military base with my uncle, and they do. They do have some good food up in there.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they're going to the military, and the military base, they go there, and it's just a bad luck. Right. They go there and the base is on high alert. So she has a military ID so she can get them onto the base just because her father was in the military. They show the ID and they say, sorry, we're not letting anyone in, even if you have your military id because we're just on high alert right now. So this does not satisfy fit.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's upset because he's a war vet.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. He's seen so much and he's hungry.

[Lacey Mosley]

So instead of leaving, he drives around to another entrance and demands that he get on the base. But when he drives to the other entrance, they run the plates and figure out that the car is stolen. Oh, my God. So he gets arrested. She goes back home. She gets her life together. Now she doing nails. But they come back and they interview her about her whole life and this whole story and everything. So he gets out of jail.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know if it was another work release where he just walked away. He said, I don't wanna be in jail.

[Nicole Byer]

Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bye. I love Jeremy's life. I love that he's just like, you know, I don't. No thanks to jail.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, that's. I love people like that. Like confident scammers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right?

[Nicole Byer]

Like, you've seen Catch Me if youf Can.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, man, I love that. That's a true story. And I love that he ends up

[Lacey Mosley]

working for the FBI. Right. Because they're like, we need you, actually.

[Nicole Byer]

Because they were truly like, we don't understand how you did everything. We are impressed. Come work for us. Which is like, yeah, that's a good way to keep criminals off the street. Have them work for you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, it's what they should do. I love it because I don't think they should go to jail. You have that many skills, you don't belong in jail. We need you.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

The city needs you. So he gets out and he wants to win Angela back. He decides that he's. So he realizes that after going to a concert and running into someone who was, I guess, doing freelance journalism, that freelance journalism, you don't really need to have that many credentials. So he sees a job application for a job at the BBC. He goes to the BBC, goes to the BBC. He shows up and says that he already got the job, that they sent him from New York to take the job. And so instead of interviewing, he's already gotten the position.

[Nicole Byer]

He's really smart because a lot of departments do not talk.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't talk at all. So he was like, you know, I'm from the New York office. They already told me I got this job. If I can just get a desk, I can show you. If I can just get a desk, I can show you the email or the, I guess, cover letter, whatever. So he gets a desk. He scams and makes this fake letter, of course, at the office, Prints it out, and it's like, here you go. They said, I have this job. So now he's just, like, going to see bands, going to write in articles. He says a few of them got published.

[Nicole Byer]

What a treat to have, like, no real skills. But then, like, be doing things that people work really hard to do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Really hard to do.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, people would love to be a journalist and cover their favorite bands and stuff. And, like, go to school to do that. And he was like, don't do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So if you want to be a writer, guys, just get out there.

[Nicole Byer]

Just get out there and scam. Tell people you belong.

[Lacey Mosley]

Literally. So he's changed his Name now to Angus. He uses his fake identity to get an apartment in Marina Delle, and he takes on an aspiring actress as a roommate. So now he's in Marina Del Rey. He's in Los Angeles with a vulnerable woman, but also aspiring actresses. A lot of them scammers.

[Nicole Byer]

You gotta be a lot of scammers, but a lot of them are scammies.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm, that's true. We get both sides. I have been scammed and I have done the scamming. That's true. Headshots. Biggest scam in the game.

[Nicole Byer]

Biggest, Biggest scam in the game. I have spent so much money collectively on headshots, and nobody fucking wants them.

[Lacey Mosley]

I literally took a photo on my phone of myself in a bad wig. And it's gotten me so much work,

[Nicole Byer]

I have boxes and boxes of printed out headshots that nobody. I can't even give them away.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the best scammers in the headshot industry know, like, take pictures of your up and coming friends, because if one of their asses get on tv, then you're like, I shot Nicole Byer.

[Nicole Byer]

Now they.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, you're a part of somebody's scam now, right? They got your photo on the wall.

[Nicole Byer]

Wall in North Hollywood, a studio with a picture of Tiffany Hadditch and Morris Chestnut on their, like, window. And they're old ass pictures. And I was like, damn, Got him, got him.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they owe the rights. Got him, got him. It's okay. We all get got. But. So she's living with this guy right now. He's just like. He's going to concerts, he's doing all this shit. He invites Angela to come visit him. She comes visits him.

[Nicole Byer]

So.

[Lacey Mosley]

So while they're visiting. And he actually takes her to a concert for, like, one of her favorite bands, which is some indie group he gets a call from. So, no, no, this is what happens. So he takes her to a concert, one of her favorite bands. She leaves her purse at the crib, okay? So the roommate finds the purse and calls him and is like, hey, your girl left her purse over here. And this is how he actually ends up getting caught. Because when he goes into her purse, she has like. So I guess, like, he had given her his wallet. So his wallet is in the purse. And the girl opens the wallet and finds that this guy has several different identities. So she. Cause I guess whatever identity he was working with when he was out at the concert with Angela is not who he told the roommate that he is.

[Nicole Byer]

So then she goes, so he was running two different identities at the Same

[Lacey Mosley]

time, he was everybody. He was like, who you think I am, stupid? That seems stupid.

[Nicole Byer]

Run one identity at once, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

She goes into his room, starts ransacking that shit, finds a box with all of his identities in it, calls the popo. But the funny thing is, is that he managed to escape getting arrested by her because he calls the police and is like, look, I'm a famous writer. This girl is just a groupie who's obsessed with me. Like, that's why she's stalking me and trying to call the police. She mad cause my girl pulled up in town, like, had a whole story. So he gets. And this is how he ends up getting caught. He's out with Angela again, and he's in a car that belongs to Angus.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cops pull him over. He don't got Angus ID on him. Oh, so he got arrested for stealing his own.

[Nicole Byer]

His own car. That's beautiful. That's truly so fucking beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he spends seven to 14 years in jail. He has to go to New York first. Cause that's where he was doing his first hoodwinks. Then he gets extradited to Massachusetts to face more crimes in that state. So every state was like, we would also like him.

[Nicole Byer]

We want him. We want him.

[Lacey Mosley]

He left. We gotta get him back. He was on work release and he never came back and did no work. He just took the release. So bring him back to Massachusetts.

[Nicole Byer]

So funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love him. I love him. Yeah, he's currently in jail. Shout out to a king.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes, a real king.

[Lacey Mosley]

A real king. Oh, my gosh. That's so amazing, guys. We'll be right back. Robbery and fraud. And we're back, guys. And it's time for our last segment, Scammer of the week.

[Nicole Byer]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nicole. This is when we honor, you know, a famous charlatan or someone that we deeply respect for their scams. This person isn't famous. This is actually an email that I got to the Scam Goddess podcast. And this is a scam I want to try to run. So this is a retired tired scam. I'm not gonna say this person's name, but shout out to a queen. Basically, this is how it works. So change somebody's name in your phone to insert chain restaurant promotions. So basically, like, I could take your number, and instead of Nicole in my phone, I would change it to, like, Chipotle fast food promotions, whatever. And then have that person text you a fake coupon so you know how you can get a text message that'll be like, today only you get 10 Crunchwraps for $5. And that's valid only on August 8, 2017 at participating locations. So she would have someone do that and you have to make sure that it's just about to expire. Okay. So then she would go to like Taco Bell and be like, hey, are y' all still taking this promotion for 10 crunchwraps for $5? Because here it is on my phone. Show them the phone. Nobody communicates. And normally this scam works. She gets the 10 crunchwraps for $5.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, what a treat.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then this one was real fun. So google some big concert happening that night, find a big name band and remember it for later. Then call Chipotle or another medium tier food chain and explain they got coin. Gotta make sure they got coin. Tell em that you're on tour with insert famous band playing tonight at famous venue. And we're wondering if you're willing donate some burritos for the tour. You can also offer merch in exchange, but you don't have to do that if you don't actually obviously have merch. But if they agree, go pick up your 15 free burritos. And surprisingly she said that this one works very frequently as well. You like? Hey, I'm with Bruce Springsteen. Uh huh. Yeah, we at the Forum tonight.

[Nicole Byer]

I would get that call and be like, he don't have catering.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait, Bruce might be too big. You right about that. But hey, he don't have catering. Bruce really love y' all burritos though. We got catering. You know, Bruce got money.

[Nicole Byer]

He really wants those. Just three burritos. But if you could throw in 15, that would be great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Cause Bruce getting hungry and so do his. Bruce, you know, he had an entourage.

[Nicole Byer]

The little Brucies, the little Springsteens.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Springsteens. The Springsteens be getting hungry, huh?

[Nicole Byer]

That's so funny. That's great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fantastic.

[Nicole Byer]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it, guys.

[Nicole Byer]

Smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Chipotle's guac is so expensive. Like please scam them.

[Nicole Byer]

It really is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Please scammer. Oh, gosh. But Nicole, you've been amazing.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

All right, guys, that's the end of our show. If you want Nicole, where can people find you?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, I have a podcast called Best friends with Sasheer. Sasheer's Amanda. Sasheer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ba ba ba ba.

[Nicole Byer]

I have another podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's in the window.

[Nicole Byer]

How terrifying. She heard me fuck up her name. Okay, her name is.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's not a guest.

[Nicole Byer]

Sahir Kermayda. And I have another podcast called why won't you date me with saying no with me. Another podcast called 90 Day Fiance or no 90 Day Bae where we recap 90 Day Fiance with Marcy Jarrow and then me and Mono Agapian host what the Tuck a RuPaul's Drag Race recap thing. Also watch Nailed it on Netflix and I have a special Netflix.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Nicole, so great having you.

[Nicole Byer]

Lacy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you so much. Yes, as always. Guys, you can find us at Scam goddess pod on gmail.com and also on the Twitter and the Instagram alike. It's My name is Damn Nicole. Now I'm doing it. My name is Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. You can find me at D I V A L A C I on all platforms. Diva Lacy Guys, I love you Congregation. Stay scheming.

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