The Dubious Diplomat w/ Ira Madison III (Re-Release)

Summary

Scam Goddess – "The Dubious Diplomat w/ Ira Madison III" (Re-Release)

Release Date: May 12, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Ira Madison III

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess brings TV writer, podcaster, and seasoned scam enthusiast Ira Madison III ("Keep It") into the studio to share laughs and insights on legendary scams—both personal and historic. Laci and Ira bond over their retail hustles, swap hospitality industry war stories, and then dive deep into the wild 30-year con of “Prince Khalid”—the so-called Saudi prince unmasked as Anthony Gignac. The pair give listeners a hilarious, side-eyed tour through scams of every level: from restaurant tip skims and hotel rewards programs to international con artistry and influencer hoaxes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Experiences with Scamming and Hustles

• Scamming Award Shows
  • Laci and Ira share how easy it can be to scam your way into parties and eat for free (03:43).
  • Laci: "All you gotta do is act like you belong there." (04:24)
  • Ira: "You always get caught when you walk up and look nervous... just keep walking." (04:31)
• Hospitality and Retail Scams
  • Listener letter about a coworker at a restaurant who padded tips, eventually leading to arrest (04:40).
  • Ira's bartending in Broadway theaters: coworkers would inflate drink prices for extra tips, a scam he benefited from (06:24).
  • Additional stories about scamming long lunches and shifts at Banana Republic, and the wild turnover and lax rules in retail jobs (08:19).

2. Historic Hoodwinks: The Fake Saudi Prince

• The Scam's Setup
  • Anthony Gignac, a Colombian orphan, spent 30 years posing as Prince Khalid of Saudi Arabia, living a luxury lifestyle in Miami's elite circles (14:34).
  • He chronicled his "royal" opulence on Instagram, complete with luxury goods and a diamond-encrusted Chihuahua (15:46, 22:46).
  • Notable moment: “Ugly scammers, I’m very proud of them ‘cause they have overcome the odds.” – Ira (15:55)
• Techniques & Tells
  • Fraud involved cheap, fake jewelry, rented luxury cars/yachts, and elaborate stories about family wealth (23:03).
  • He demanded gifts as part of supposed Middle Eastern business customs, duping wealthy targets into giving him countless expensive items (21:15, 32:12).
  • Maintained the ruse with fake Diplomatic Security badges—better than the real thing—and actors as Secret Service (27:23).
• Scam's Downfall
  • Slipped up over eating bacon—a violation of Islamic dietary law. Suspicious hosts hired private investigators (28:04).
  • Collapsed in a dramatic “royal tantrum” in Aspen’s St. Regis Hotel, ranting about disrespect (29:26).
  • His laziness: never named his supposed royal father or mother; “the good one,” he’d say. Laci, mimicking, “My father, King... King. No name, the King.” (30:05)
  • Exposed with a simple check: contacting an actual member of the Saudi royal family, who responded “No. NO!” (39:56).
  • Convicted after having bilked at least $8 million, sentenced to 18 years; Laci and Ira note robbing the rich gets punished harsher than harming working folks (45:24).

3. Listener Letters & Little Scams

• Hotel Rewards Program Scam (52:15)
  • “Clyde” describes manipulating a hotel loyalty program for years, earning free vacation stays.
  • Laci and Ira reach consensus: “Who got hurt here? Nobody.” (54:49)
• Tips for Late Checkout
  • Laci: Just stay in your hotel room even if late checkout is denied—“What they gonna do?” (56:41).

4. Scammer of the Week: Payless’ “Palessi” Influencer Hoax (57:17)

• Payless set up a fake high-end “Palessi” store, fooled LA influencers into paying hundreds for cheap Payless shoes.
• Notable quote: “One shopper spent $640 on a pair of boots, which represented an 1,800% markup from the cost of the actual shoe.” (63:02)
• All influencers got their money back, but the campaign capitalized on the power of branding and people’s wish to buy clout.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Scamming Award Shows:
  • “I stopped scamming on award shows a few years ago, because I was like... I need to stop just showing up and scheming.” – Laci (03:24)
• On the Nature of Scammers:
  • “It helps if you a little sexy... Everyone likes to look at a sexy person. Ugly scammers, I’m very proud of them. They’ve overcome the odds.” – Ira (15:55)
• On Scam Longevity:
  • “You’re supposed to do that scam and quit right before you get caught. But if you’re doing it for three decades, you just get used to it.” – Ira (19:37)
• On Being Caught by Bacon:
  • “My man got ousted by bacon!” – Laci (28:04)
• On Getting Caught:
  • “Would you trade your whole life for 30 years being filthy, nasty rich?” – Laci (19:07)
  • Ira: “30 years? I’m old now too. Send me to prison at that age. I don’t want to be here no more.” (19:13)
• On Hotel Security:
  • “When I go to a hotel, they shake my ass down. They want a credit card… but you got a $10,000 bill, and they had no way of finding you?” – Laci (47:24)
• On Flat Tummy Tea and Influencer Hustle:
  • “If they offer $50,000, I’m be sipping on it on my Instagram.” – Laci (60:54)
• On Influencers at ‘Palessi’:
  • “Didn’t Google the brand... every time I see a brand I don’t know in the store, I’m googling, ‘oh, what’s this?’” – Ira (59:59)
• On Scammer Bravado:
  • “The confidence. I feel like you have to be a person of color to do this, because they think we all look alike.” – Laci (43:26)
• On Scamming as Anti-Aging:
  • “Scamming can keep you so youthful. That’s my anti-aging. That’s my moisturizer—robbery.” – Laci (47:24)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• [02:43] - Ira and Laci discuss their love/hate relationship with scams, and stories from LA parties.
• [04:40] - Listener Letter: Restaurant tip skimming.
• [06:24] - More hospitality scams from Ira’s Broadway bartending days.
• [14:32] - “Historic Hoodwinks”: Introducing the fake Saudi prince scam.
• [28:04] - The prince’s downfall via pork consumption.
• [32:12] - The role of extravagant gift-giving in the scam.
• [41:00] - Anthony’s fake diplomatic license plates and loophole exploitation.
• [45:24] - Sentencing and the comparative harshness for robbing the rich.
• [52:15] - Listener Letter: Hotel loyalty scam for free vacations.
• [57:17] - Scammer of the Week: Payless’ influencer rebrand hoax.
• [66:09] - Laci describes the “Voyage LA” scam magazine as an example of social media hustles.

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Tone and Style

• Playful, irreverent, and sharply observational throughout, with frequent asides and layered jokes.
• Both Laci and Ira weave social commentary into scam analysis, highlighting intersections of class, race, and the audacity required for high- and low-level fraud.
• Memorable running gag: Comparing every excuse or legal defense to Viola Davis/Annalise Keating’s heavy limp in “How to Get Away With Murder.”

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Summary

In this laugh-packed, shade-filled episode, Laci Mosley and Ira Madison III revel in the boldness and creativity of hustlers at every level—from entry-level retail to billion-dollar cons. The story of Anthony Gignac, the “Saudi prince” with a stolen identity and a taste for luxury, serves as the episode’s centerpiece, underscoring that all scams—whether mundane or massive—share a foundation of confidence, improv, and never-ending reinvention. Listener letters about hospitality and hotel rewards hustle drive home how prolific (and victimless) certain kinds of scams can be. The episode closes on a note of satire and admiration for the con artists—if you’re scheming, at least be entertaining.

Final Message:
“Congregation, stay scheming.” – Laci Mosley (68:27)

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Find Laci at: @divalaci
Find Ira at: @ira

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Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

Hello.

[Lacey Mosley]

How are you?

[Ira Madison III]

Good, good. I really did get booked via Twitter.

[Lacey Mosley]

He got booked via Twitter. He has a really amazing podcast called Keep it that you all should be listening to if you're not already. It's hilarious. It's so good. And he's a TV writer. And if youf Love U, he's on the second season of you Making it look. And it's so good.

[Ira Madison III]

Talking about scams, I scammed my way into that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. Yes. Right, right, right. Cause you write for tv and then you know someone who made that show. Yes, yes. That's so dope. Wait, so you're the third. So there's three other. Iron Madison, your grandpa.

[Ira Madison III]

There's two others.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's two other. I can't count. Okay. I was like. And it's three more.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, they're dead. It's all good. We gotta talk about them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, well, I was. All right, well, there we go.

[Ira Madison III]

Ira, the only.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're the only person to make that statement after the former. Oh, I love it. Guys, as you can see, this is Already gonna be a fun ass episode. I can't wait. So, Ira, what is your relationship with scams?

[Ira Madison III]

What is. You know, I feel like I love a good scam. You know, anything from when I went to, like, the Golden Globes, like, after parties last year. Oh, yes. I stopped by Sephora and got the face done. You know where I learned that before going on.

[Lacey Mosley]

You had the Next Top Model?

[Ira Madison III]

Did you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you're out and you gotta go somewhere and you need to beat your face real quick, just go into a makeup store and just start using all the products.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Oh, no. I sat down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you guys sat down.

[Ira Madison III]

I sat down and got like a. Oh, just show me, you know, like the highlighter, like, everything.

[Lacey Mosley]

Show me your full face.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. I was like, ooh, can I get some of those samples? And then rolled out.

[Lacey Mosley]

Show me a lash. Show me a blotting sheet. Show me a to go bag. I love it. I love it. Yes. I. I stopped scamming on award shows a few years ago because I was like, okay, I'm getting to the point where, like, I will be invited to them. So I need to stop just showing up and scheming. It's too hot.

[Ira Madison III]

But it's so easy in LA to do it, too. Like, trying to scam your way into a party too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just.

[Ira Madison III]

It's great.

[Lacey Mosley]

I scanned my way into the Fox Searchlight Emmys party last two years ago.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Two and a half years, maybe three years ago.

[Ira Madison III]

How'd you do?

[Lacey Mosley]

I just showed up and it was funny. Cause we were just at the VH1 Hip Hop Honors, which is a whole different vibe. I was wearing a white plastic dress. It worked, but not.

[Ira Madison III]

But they weren't ready for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not the Emmys vibe, though.

[Ira Madison III]

They weren't ready.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, no, no, no. But I showed up and I was like. I left my whatever credentials. And I was like, I gotta go. I just pretended to be drunk, and I was like, I gotta go back to the bathroom. I left my wallet. And they were just like, oh, I ain't been up in there at all.

[Ira Madison III]

I love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. It was good. It was great. Yes. So, you know, all you gotta do is act like you belong there. That's one of the things I love about scammers, is just acting like you belong.

[Ira Madison III]

You always get caught when you walk up and look nervous, like you're about to ask someone a question. You just gotta keep walking.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. And look bored. You gotta look like everything here is nasty.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't want to be here. And that's how you get inside. Yeah. Well, guys, we have a listener letter for what's hot and fraud. Guys, you've been sending in such great listener letters. My only notice, some of these is too long. Honey, y' all sending me books. Okay, look, I read my books on my vacation. I do not read them in my inbox. Y' all keep it succinct. Okay? But this one comes from. What am I gonna name you? Leroy Jenkins. And Leroy says, love the podcast. Oh, thank you. Okay, I wanna tell you about an old scam that my co worker was running at a restaurant that I worked at in college. She would enter a tip on the credit card when closing out the table, and she would add a dollar or two to whatever the tip the person left. And she got away with it for months before someone actually checked their credit card statement and wasn't working there anymore when she got caught. But I heard she got arrested for it, so. Oh, no. Also, she was having an affair with the owner. You dropped dime on my sis.

[Ira Madison III]

Ooh, you know what that reminds me of? So I used to be a bartender, but one of my bartending gigs was on Broadway at the Broadway theaters. Like at the Phantom of the Opera theater in August, Osage County. I did Chorus Line of Chicago a couple times.

[Lacey Mosley]

Were they drinking a lot?

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Those are drinking shows.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Particularly Phantom of the Opera. I love that musical. But the stage show is the same one since 86. It needs to update. But there'd be people who took, like, their wives or, like, girlfriends and stuff to the show. Or even some women sometimes, too. But they just be like, during the second act, they'd be like, I'm good. Like, they're downstairs. Just like, turn. Knocking back. Knocking them back.

[Lacey Mosley]

I worked in the two. I also did wait tables.

[Ira Madison III]

I'm trying to, like. Sorry. The reason I brought this up was because I worked with someone who used to tell people higher prices because the prices weren't listed. So they would be like, oh, like, say, like a vodka soda is $7. It's Broadway, so it's like 10. But they'd be like 12. And then that extra $2 they would put into the tip jar.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, that's a scam. Listen, people don't be tipping. And as someone who's worked for tips, right?

[Ira Madison III]

And I was like, I'm not snitching.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, not right.

[Ira Madison III]

Because we shared tips. So I was like, well, look, I'm

[Lacey Mosley]

not robbing people, but if he right,

[Ira Madison III]

I just joined too. So I was like, they've been running this racket for years. Like, this ain't got nothing to do with me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't fuck up the bag now. Wait, were you giving the accurate price? Cause then that could fuck it up. If, like, they went to homie once and then and it was 12, and then they come over to you and it's 10.

[Ira Madison III]

But these people were drunk. And, like, I feel like one time it got messed up and then someone was just like, oh, you must like me. He charged me a little bit more. I'm like, discount. I'm like, whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're a scammer, too. Because instead of being like, what's going on here? They were like, ooh, less.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I will take less.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. But, you know, I was like, I was broke. I was living in New York. I was 21. I was like, as long as they are doing their scam, let me listen.

[Lacey Mosley]

I bartended.

[Ira Madison III]

They were the boss too. So.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, well, then you got to just play your position. Okay, yeah, exactly. I hate when somebody doesn't play their position. I did bartend, too, in New York. When I was actually at 22. I was working in the Hamptons and child. It was so many scams going up in my job. Like, we the owner or not the owner, but the manager was just like, cokehead. And he was drunk all the time, so he would just be gone. So then eventually I learned all the passcodes to all the systems so that I would be doing the managing. Because he would be somewhere turned up, and it was waiters. They was selling drugs. It was a wild place.

[Ira Madison III]

Love the jobs where you can be. So one of my first jobs in New York was working at banana Republic and 30 Rock.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, that's a busy Banana Republic.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Well, I wouldn't know. Why did I transfer there from the one that I worked at in Chicago when I moved to New York? And I. At a certain point, I just going. I really only went because I had a friend who was in New York for the summer that year that I'd first moved there. And they were interning at Business Week. And so they would always be, like, going on group lunches. And it was in 30 Rock. And I was always like, oh, I'll have lunch with y'.

[Lacey Mosley]

All.

[Ira Madison III]

Like, that's how I made friends with them. So I would just show up to work, really to, like, come to lunch with them and take, like, long lunch. Cause, you know, you only get 30 minutes on lunch. But I'd be there for an hour. And then a certain point I just stopped going. And then they called me and said like a month later and were like, hey, you've been missing on some shifts. Like, do you want to come in? And I was like, damn sure. And then I went in. And then, like, halfway into the shift, I was like, nah, I gotta quit. I gotta go.

[Lacey Mosley]

I can't believe. They must've been. The nanner must be desperate, honey. Cause they were like, please come back to work.

[Ira Madison III]

It was 30 Rockefeller in the middle of the summer. I feel like they were just like, they needed bodies.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They didn't even care who it was. Cause I was about to say, ira, you are a black man. You are very tall. And I was like, how did nobody notice your black ass was missing from the Atlanta Republic? Guys, I think we are short a Negro. I haven't seen Ira in a while.

[Ira Madison III]

Where's he at? Folding cloths.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everybody just keeps saying you in the back, right? Yeah. They must have been real busy because in retail, usually, like, it's a high turnover, so they'll get rid of you quick. But they were like, please, sir, can you just come back to work? If you don't mind. If you have any free time, could you come back to your employment? Yes, Please shout out to Banana Republic. Are they still doing okay?

[Ira Madison III]

I don't know. I tried to go into a Banana Republic recently and I was like, it's just really nothing.

[Lacey Mosley]

For who are their clothes for?

[Ira Madison III]

I. I don't know. Because I feel like when I was in, like, high school, well, I went to a. All boys, like, Catholic high school, but even I felt like when I was in high school and like, college, like, that was a thing. Like, that was fancy, quote, unquote. Right, right. For, like, my family. So they're like, oh, we'll go get you, like, a nice sweater, a Banana Republic, something like that. But then, I don't know. At a certain point, living in New York, I grew out of shopping at Banana Republic. Cause why would I get there?

[Lacey Mosley]

I did, too. And now I'm thinking about, like, who their demographic is.

[Ira Madison III]

I feel like it's like, candidates, white secretaries.

[Lacey Mosley]

Anybody who calls a manager.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like that's who they're outfitting. Yeah. And I guess, like, corporate. Yeah.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know, child, but was Michelle Obama wearing Banana Republic?

[Ira Madison III]

Maybe, but, you know, probably like, Couture. Banana Republic. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

Savor it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Savor it.

[Ira Madison III]

Savor the favorite.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, savor the favorite section of this podcast called Historic Hoodwinks. So I'm going to regale Ira with a very infamous con and we're gonna get his thoughts on this one. So I thought about you when I when I chose this. I think that you'll enjoy this. And you already said you worked in ret, so you know a little bit about the fashion and the flexing. The story is a fake Saudi prince who flaunted on Instagram and has been sentenced to major fraud schemes. And he posed for decades as a name or under the name Prince Khalid. Yes.

[Ira Madison III]

The singer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bring it right back.

[Ira Madison III]

Removed from Instagram.

[Lacey Mosley]

So when his cover was about to be blown, he staged a tantrum in an Aspen hotel to try to cover it up. So he fought till the end. And that's what I love. Like, I don't want you to give up. I don't want you to quit. Like, if it's going left, like you go down with the ship. My man's played it like the Titanic. He was on his violin just playing as the scam ship went down. And I'm living for it. So this is how it started. His name is Gignac and he's right behind you. If you want to take a look at him. He kind of cute.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, he is cute. He's cute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I feel like that furthered the scam. We've talked about this. Scammers have to be courageous. It helps if you a little sexy. You know what I mean? Because everybody likes to look at a sexy person.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Ugly scammers. I'm very proud of them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause they have overcome the odds.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, they have.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because everybody looked at them and said no. And they somehow got them to say yes. And I am. If you are a not so hot scammer Honestly, you're doing the Lord's work. Damn. This is his current Instagram. He has 3,000 followers.

[Ira Madison III]

What's the recent photo? When was it recently taken?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, click on that. And it was.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, October 2017.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so he been in the clink for at least two years.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why you not on the gram in the clink, bruh? JT had her JL grand popping.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

JT never missed a photo shoot.

[Ira Madison III]

Double tap jt, right? Free JT and double tap jt.

[Lacey Mosley]

Every time they said they had yard time, she was like bet. Let's get the lights together. Get my ring lights, cuz she gave us Lukes in the prison. Okay, okay, so damn, he was living good, I guess, until up around October 2017, his Instagram has like 3,000 followers. The name is like Prince07, which don't

[Ira Madison III]

sound like Prince Dubai07.

[Lacey Mosley]

Prince Dubai07, which honestly sounds like something I would have made my AOL AIM profile when I was in seventh grade.

[Ira Madison III]

Look, this thing with like a stack in the car.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so his name is Gignac. That's his real name, not Prince Khalid. And he went by the moniker Prince Khalid Al Saud of Saudi Arabia. And for more than three decades, honey, three of them things chronicled his phony life of luxury on Instagram, which we're looking at right now. The 48 year old lived in Miami, star studded Fisher island, which 48 people are good, right? The jeans Khalid. What are we rubbing on that skin? Cause I need some. So he referred to himself as Prince Sultan and his Royal Highness. These are the names for himself. And he demanded pricey gifts from his business partners. But in reality, Gignac was from Colombia, an orphan born Anthony Moreno. So get that ain't even his name. So his real name is Anthony Moreno. We got three aliases going on here. And I love a scammer alias. Mine is a little too obvious. I've said that before. I'm gonna work on it.

[Ira Madison III]

People are so rude. The comments on this. These posts were made before he got sentenced to 18 years. Wow. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

People are so disrespectful. The next one says, ba ha ha ha ha. Wait, go back. The next one says, great seeing him on American Greed. Crying face, crying face, crying face. So he must have been on another show called American Greek because people are getting the tea. Wait, scroll up. I want to see some more of these comments. People are disrespectful. I gotta have somebody deactivate my Instagram when I'm dead because I do not want Y' all commenting on my swimsuit. He will read our RIP.

[Ira Madison III]

He will read our comments in 2038.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, y' all are shady.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, free Foxy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, free my mans. I'm with. It is Foxy the dog. He taking a picture with a dog. I can't. Guys, People are rude, okay? They are on his Instagram turning the fuck up and it's very funny.

[Ira Madison III]

Well, all you envious people, most of you would trade, gladly trade your whole lives for one month of his in his prime.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, you better stand up for our king, right?

[Ira Madison III]

My whole life, though. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

My whole life. Okay. Would you trade your whole life for 30 years of being filthy, nasty rich?

[Ira Madison III]

Well, 30 years. I'm old now, too. Send me. Send me the prison at that age. I don't even want to be here no more.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is it? Yeah. I feel like going to prison older is definitely better than going younger. Even though I guess you would want creature comforts when you're older. But when you young, you hot and spicy. Like you're supposed to have them thighs out here in the streets.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah. Three decades.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a long time.

[Ira Madison III]

I would be like, you know, like, you're supposed to do that scam and then, like, quit right before you get caught. But I guess if you're doing it for three decades, you just get used to. You think you're never gonna get caught, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, it's a profession. Like, scamming is a profession. And a lot of people, some people get in and get out, or they get in and they go straight. Like Jay Z was a scammer, and then he went straight, cleaned up all his money, paid a friend to go to jail for him. Y' all don't have Beyonce out here trying to kill me, though. That's all I'm gonna say. Okay, Beyonce. I didn't mean any of that. I love your husband. You love him right now, right? We loving him. I just gotta check with Beyonce before I say I love Jayce. She love him. I love him. She don't wanna talk. Not talking to him. That's how it goes. But okay, so the real Prince Khalid is actually 79 years old and he's the governor of Mecca, which I thought was interesting too, because he picked somebody so old that, like, we're not gonna see any pics of real Khalid on the gram. Like, ain't no 79 year old out here posting Snapchat, so we've probably never seen one.

[Ira Madison III]

Just Drake's dad.

[Lacey Mosley]

Drake's dad is too lit for me. I've Seen Drake's dad in the club, and it made me question my life choices, truly. I was like, drake's dad is right here. What am I doing? One of us not supposed to be here. And I'm thinking it's me. So the word was spreading that there was a Saudi prince in Miami and he was looking to invest $600 million. And people were excited. The city was talking, the streets were talking. So Jeffrey Soffer, who's a billionaire real estate developer who owns the famous Fountain Blue, which I've stayed in. And the Fountain Blue is very cute. Okay. You meet your little air fleet up in your Honey. Okay. And it's in Miami Beach. They have a few of them. Oh, and it's also where Club Liv is. Isn't Liv in the Fountain Blue Blue?

[Ira Madison III]

I think so.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it is. I'm pretty sure. So it's a very lit place. There's always celebs. There's always a rapper and a Maybach. Maybach music. So he says he wants to invest $600 million in the fountain Blue. So Softer initially fell for the ploy. That's the guy who owns it gifting the crooked shake with $50,000 in luxury items. Because this is like a customary thing, like amongst like Saudi Arabian culture. And how they do business is like you will gift people with you or whatever. Just so I guess, like, good faith or whatever. So this was not abnormal for Jeffrey suffer in this kind of situation. Surprisingly. I'm gonna call him Anthony. They got him listed in here as gignac. But I'm like, who is that? His name is Anthony Moreno. So Anthony Moreno has been arrested 11 times for Prince related schemes prior to the latest case. So he has been getting caught.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

But he's been getting out.

[Ira Madison III]

He kept doing it. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which I love that. Cause maybe it's like he gets caught and he's like, okay, let me tweak that. Let me recalibrate.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, yes. It's like feedback. Criticism. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

He gets caught in his criticism. He's like, okay.

[Ira Madison III]

Feedback.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like. They're like, sir, why are you taking notes right now? He's like, no. So what else y' all charging me with? Okay, how did y' all find that out? He ain't here trying to improve. I love it. I would love to just go to jail and be like, yeah, so what am I doing wrong in my crimes? Like, please let me know. So he keeps up this gimmick by always traveling with his Chihuahua, Foxy, which we saw his fans on his Instagram

[Ira Madison III]

who commented On Free Foxy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Free Foxy. Where did Foxy go? That's the real victim here. And she had a diamond encrusted collar. Honey, is it a diamond collar in that picture? Very rich. If your dog has jewelry, then you know you're rich. So that's a diamond encrusted collar for your dog?

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Why are you flooding out your dog? I have questions.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. I just want to be your dog at this point. Can I get the collar that'll fit around my nail. Get that around my neck. Get a little extension going. Give me some rope. I'm new. I'm his new dog. So to save money on keeping up appearances, he often bought cheap Rolexes available and then. Or the cheapest Rolexes available. And then he would have a jeweler glue inexpensive diamonds to them, many of them fake. Listen, as much as I'd like to think that I have an eye for diamonds, if someone had a jewel encrusted Rolex like it was some zirconia on there, I wouldn't know. No, especially if he mixed it in. If it was like a few real ones and some zirconiums too. Child. And diamonds are a scam. You know how many diamonds are in the world? The only reason they're precious is because they're hoarding them and bringing them out little by little. So as you guys.

[Ira Madison III]

Free the diamonds.

[Lacey Mosley]

Free the diamonds. That's my new campaign. Free the diamonds. So he leased and borrowed luxury cars, yachts, and under various pretenses, he would like have these different cars and vehicles. And then when they would disappear, he said he'd grown tired of them. So we'd be like, oh, hey, hey, Priscali, what happened to that Maybach you had last week? Oh, tired of it. I was tired of it. But Wasn't it a 2020? Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's some new shit out.

[Ira Madison III]

What happened to that boo you was dating? It got tired. It got tired. I moved on. What happened to your apartment? Got tired of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I got tired of my apartment.

[Ira Madison III]

That's why I'm at this hotel.

[Lacey Mosley]

What happened to your shoes? I got tired of shoes. We going barefoot now. That's what real rich people do. So we would all go to lunch in Miam, and the Sultan would say, let's go to the four season, because my family owns it, recalls Visser, who was a CBS sportscaster. So now he does the. The next scammer thing, which is I could just scammer crew like friends who got money, people who make you look popping so when Leslie's husband asked the prince, which one of the king's wives is your mother? He chuckled and responded, the good one. Yo, my man's is a liar. Like, why would you hear that and then be like, okay, that adds up.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, it's very sketchy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, if I asked you who your parents were. Okay, so her husband, who was with the CIA for 10 years, and she says, we were pretty aware of people, you know, who are shady or who were liars because, you know, being around the CIA. But we were totally fooled. Maybe y' all weren't that good in the CIA.

[Ira Madison III]

Maybe.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because if I asked somebody which mama was they mama, and they said, the

[Ira Madison III]

good one, the good one.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then I'd be like, okay, but who?

[Ira Madison III]

Who?

[Lacey Mosley]

No follow up questions. You're like, checks out. All right.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay, but which one? What she look like?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, which. I want the steak. We've moved on. So she said her husband once saw him write a note in Arabic and thought it looked authentic. So remember, he's from Colombia, and I would hope over this period of time, he's learned, like, a little bit of Farsi.

[Ira Madison III]

I bet it wasn't Farsi at all. I bet it wasn't Arabic.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, don't say that.

[Ira Madison III]

I don't trust her. She didn't even ask about the right mom. It was probably fake, right? Probably wing dings, not web dings.

[Lacey Mosley]

He over here doing squiggles. Did you see that picture of a donut that was going around? Some crazy right wing people were posting this picture of a donut from Starbucks that had, like, squiggly icing on the side. And they were like, this is Farsi and they're telling us about Sharia law. I was like, on a donut from Starbucks.

[Ira Madison III]

Only white people love Starbucks.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she's like, look, I saw this donut once at Starbucks. I know that's Arabic. Okay? So even agents with the Diplomatic Security Service were impressed by one aspect of Anthony's ruse. While they were executing a search warrant of his condo, a boy who looked like he was maybe 9 or 10 years old approached one of them and said, are you a DSS agent? He asked. And the agent was startled. Most people have never heard of the dss. How do you know that? He demanded. And the boy said, oh, the prince that lived. He has DSS agents. So he hired people to pretend to be Diplomatic Security Service people. And I'm just wondering how much were they getting on the payroll. Is this like a backstage casting? You know, is this a Craigslist?

[Ira Madison III]

Can I audition.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can I audition to be a secret service? So the princess supplied his personal bodyguards with bogus Diplomatic Security Service badges that looked better than the real thing, is what the people in the agency said. So he had to drip.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

That they had earpieces that led to nowhere, that heard nobody. You put the earpiece on nobody. So. Okay. All right. So people start getting suspicious because despite his elaborate efforts to maintain his image, he forgot a well known Muslim rule which any respectable Saudi prince would honor, which is pork is off limits. My man's got ousted by bacon.

[Ira Madison III]

I even. I know that if you got all this money, all these schemes, do you really need to still be eating bacon?

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, bacon is good, rich or poor.

[Ira Madison III]

True. But. But you're right for the bling.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're right.

[Ira Madison III]

Give up the bacon.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ira Madison III]

Or at least don't eat it in front of people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Or at least make a little, like, note to it, like, my father would kill me and then nibble on it. You can't just.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, let me get a grand slam. Y' all got maple bacon. Yeah. Fresh off the pig. Thank you. And some sausage. Like, what are you doing, bruh? I hate that it was something as small as bacon, but I feel like when you're scamming it, always like the little.

[Ira Madison III]

It's always something very tiny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And so when Shaffer, who was the hotel magnate who owns the Fontainebleau, caught him eating bacon and other pork products. So he didn't stop with bacon. He hired private investigators to look into the alleged prints, which ultimately led to an FBI prosecution. The FBI probe did not settle well with the prince. Prince Khalid bin Al Saud was having a thunderous meltdown in the lobby of the St. Regis Hotel in Aspen, which. That is a very nice hotel. I love a St. Regis, honey. Ranting and raving about a crime being committed against him. The crime was disrespect.

[Ira Madison III]

I say that St. Regis in Atlanta. Those are cute.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that one's nice, too. That's cute. I like the St. Regis in Atlanta. I've been there. It's a cute around. And I look like a prostitute. But. But be.

[Ira Madison III]

So he had a meltdown in Aspen.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Which is very funny.

[Ira Madison III]

So Prince Khalid, that apres ski.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, I wish I could been there. I wish I was in the lobby, you know, toasting my snow boots. And I could have caught this, because this is very funny. So he says, you have insulted my honor. The prince shrieked, my father, the king is going to be very upset. This is not how you do Business with Roy. Loyalty.

[Ira Madison III]

My father, the King. The King. No name the King.

[Lacey Mosley]

Did he even look up names? Because my man has said zero names.

[Ira Madison III]

None. None.

[Lacey Mosley]

My father, King, father. He about to be pissed. Like, sir, you couldn't. You could have did a quick Google. We could have had at least one Google. He could have came up with one mom. Who was his mom? Not the good one, not the King. This is getting a little lazy for me. But he did it for 30 years, so who am I to say what you need to know? So, accompanied by his diamond bedecked Chihuahua, Foxy, the prince was screaming at Softer's representatives, threatened to sue them for their intolerance. And he wasn't even a prince. He was a serial con artist. Right. So the Colombian orphan adopted by a Michigan family had embarked on this for 30 years. Like we talked about after the meltdown, he upped it to a higher level.

[Ira Madison III]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he could have stopped, but yet he persisted, which I appreciate. Perseverance. Do you think if you got this far, like, you would stop? Would you be like, oh, never mind. I don't got $600 million. I'll see y'? All.

[Ira Madison III]

I mean, it's probably a rush, right? Like, you just gotta keep doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's true.

[Ira Madison III]

That's what you're supposed to do. Just go back to a normal life, not scam people.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, all right, y'. All Right, My name's Anthony. I'm gonna pack up.

[Ira Madison III]

All right.

[Lacey Mosley]

God bless. Well, and he also scammed this pretty far. Like, this is the St. Regis. This isn't even the fountain blue in Miami anymore. So now he's. He's been flew. So I guess you got to keep it up. So he has his investment banker approach. So he has an investment banker. Does his investment banker know how much money he has, or is this another hired person from backstage?

[Ira Madison III]

Probably. You know, he probably does have money.

[Lacey Mosley]

You have to amass some amount of money, right?

[Ira Madison III]

He had money.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then maybe if he's selling off these items and doing these rentals. You right. You right. He done got a little coin. So his investment banker approaches one of Shoffer's associates, and Shoffer, again, is the hotel magnet and says, this deal is gonna fall through. She warned him. So this is a woman. Woman. Okay, sis.

[Ira Madison III]

She was like, I'm not about to get implicated.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, but no, but she's keeping up with the scam. She says, you have insulted the prince's honor, and here's how you need to get back into business.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, okay. So she wasn't. She wasn't trying to give them a heads up?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she was in on the scam.

[Ira Madison III]

She was in on the scam. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I see you, sis. She probably wanted to be an actress.

[Ira Madison III]

Where's she at?

[Lacey Mosley]

I know we need to figure out who this woman is. I'm gonna have to look it up. So. So here's what you need to get back in graces with him. You need to give him a gift. So extravagant gifts, like we talked about before, are part of the negotiation process in the Middle East. It's a sign of respect. So Shaffer had already given him expensive artwork along with a $5,000 diamond encrusted dog collar and other trinkets for his dog. Now, his highness wanted something pricier. It has to be at least $50,000. She said, how was he going to know it was $50,000, right? Just give a good guy gift or just give 50. You're just saying, like, maybe also, just give us 50,000.

[Ira Madison III]

Give us 50,000.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, how does that work? Like, I'm gonna give you $600 million, but you need to give me $50,000.

[Ira Madison III]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

This sound like the Nigerian prince scam? This is like the escalated in person Nigerian prince scam, which they actually found like a bunch of money in some apartment in Nigeria. On Twitter, people were tweeting like, damn, that prince really was. He really was trying to give us the money. I love Nigeria. That's a great industry for scams there. Omo, you guys know. So the next day, Shoffer and his team presented a $50,000 Cartier bracelet to the prince. So this is after Shoffer. My man's has already been like, oh, I saw a homie munching down on support chops. I have people investigating him now. He gets mad, throws this fit, and you retract all your suspicions and you

[Ira Madison III]

call Cartier and say, get me something that is $50,000.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's probably was the phone call. He was like, hello, Cartier, what's 50k?

[Ira Madison III]

Okay, we'll take it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't even look at it. Yeah, no, bring it to the hotel. Thank you so much. So he got him back in. He reeled him back into this scam. Yo, I gotta admire my man's Anthony. Cause this worked. Him getting angry worked. That makes sense. I like that. You gotta have some gumption, some audacity. So the next day, they give him this bracelet, right? Gift in hand, Anthony responds by enhancing his deception even further. So my man's could not stop here. You just got a 50,000 doll bracelet, bruh. He gets a phone call, or at least he pretends to get a phone call and says some weird code like Zulu Red, Echo 33. So my. It's like, hold on, my phone ringing. Sir, there's no one. Your phone not lighting up? No, no, no, no. It's ringing. This is an Android. Hello? Zulu, Echo Red.

[Ira Madison III]

Don't drag people with the androids.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm always dragging an Android. I'm sorry, you're fucking up our group chats. Okay?

[Ira Madison III]

We have a work group chat and it's 10 people. One person.

[Lacey Mosley]

When they enjoy it, always one. You think you're getting away with it, you start putting the names in blue.

[Ira Madison III]

The worst part of it is when you react to text, it always just says spells out like so and so and so. Laughed at, so and so emphasized.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so frustrating. And Apple is the one who's doing

[Ira Madison III]

this because I know they want us to have.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is a gang. It's the gang mentality. They know they got us. Look, I stabbed the person to get in on the Apple gang. Who didn't? I shiv'd them good. That's what Steve Jobs told me I had to do if I wanted them blue texts. And I said anything. Absolutely robbery.

[Ira Madison III]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

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[Lacey Mosley]

And Frau. So he tells the whole table, that was the State Department. And they checking in on me. I have a computer chip in my neck. So they always know where I am. At which point his business partner, Carl Williamson, says, I have a chip in my neck as well, and then points to some random person in the restaurant and says, see that guy right there? He's the Secret Service. So I googled, like, chips in the neck to see if chips in the neck are a thing. And there's, like, maybe a hundred thousand people who have, like, a digital chip, like, installed to them. They do it in, like, dolphins, and they do it in, like, other animals and farm livestock to keep track of them. But some people have, like, opted to try to put a chip in their body and see, like, what that's about.

[Ira Madison III]

I'm okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't want a chip?

[Ira Madison III]

Nope.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's the new thing.

[Ira Madison III]

Nope.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, we want full black mirror.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. I don't want a chip. I don't want to be found at all times.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. I feel like that's real love. I feel like if I get married to somebody, we gotta get chipped or they gotta get chipped, at least.

[Ira Madison III]

Not me.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you always gonna be where you at, then I ain't gotta check on your chips. So what's good?

[Ira Madison III]

Your iPhone might as well be a chip, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true. You can do find my iPhone, but then you also can turn that shit off or leave it somewhere. But you can't turn a chip off, but you gonna rip that shit out your neck.

[Ira Madison III]

That's true. Okay, I don't. I don't believe in it.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true love and commitment.

[Ira Madison III]

I do not like the chip life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Let me put a chip in you. If you're listening and you wanna be my boo. Let me put a chip in.

[Ira Madison III]

Let me get that chip.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't even like keeping tabs on people like that. But it would be fun to just see how far someone would go for my love. This is why I don't got no man or a woman. Anyway. So they say they're both chips. And then they point to some random ass dude in the restaurant and like, see him, he working for us. And it's like, how do you dispute that? Are they gonna walk up to that person and be like, are you Secret Service? They could just say no and be lying. Or this could be another backstage actor. I'm not exactly sure. We need to put my man's in the guild though. He needs to be in the union. Cause he's employing us. So eventually the software team contacted DC Page, a former federal agent who specializes in providing business intellig. When Paige emailed a friend who is a member of the Saudi royal family and asked if Anthony was really a prince, he got a two word response, no and then a capital no, exclamation point. Why does it feel like they should have did that in the first place?

[Ira Madison III]

Right. Why did they call after the first suspicion?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, when you saw my man chomping

[Ira Madison III]

down on the pork. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

When you saw my man eating the sausage links, the porks and the pork chop, that wasn't like, let's just call. That's one phone call. I guess it's probably not easy to actually call the royal family, but there's also Internet. Yeah, we got a whole world wide web. Yeah. So this, this seems silly to me. So Paige also went on Google. Duh. To research the diplomatic license plate on Anthony's Ferrari. He said, I got a pop up to buy the exact same license plate on eBay for $79 dollars. Which is in fact exactly where Anthony bought this. Anthony went on ebay and was like diplomatic plates and then put them shits on his car.

[Ira Madison III]

That's great. I'm glad he never got to put all by the police though.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Ira Madison III]

Because if they run those plates, what's gonna happen?

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. And also I'm surprised he didn't get put off by the police because he is variously brown.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And driving a nice car.

[Ira Madison III]

These feel like plenty of nice cars.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe he wasn't driving the car. Maybe his backstage actors were.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because you know, if you're gonna have a good scam, you gotta get at least one white man involved. If you are a person of color to be the face of the scam while you do the schemes in the background.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because we they looking for us. Yeah, yeah. So you're right. Like, that's a little too obvious. Also, ebay. What the. Like, if you're gonna sell diplomatic license plates, can you, like, vary them up? You selling the same exact plate with the same exact letters and numbers to everybody? That's not. That's not how we scam. I don't like it. You gotta have some integrity. So ajis discovered.

[Ira Madison III]

That's what he gets for doing the first search. Right? Cause obviously he picked Google and just hit the first hit.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta go down the O's. You're right. You gotta go at least 19 O's down when you're doing crime.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. It came up on the pop up page, Right? That's lazy.

[Ira Madison III]

Cause nobody ever goes past the first page. They always do it. Add a different word.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Exactly, Exactly. Everyone does research.

[Ira Madison III]

I'm like, oh, let me type these words in.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm trying to think of the last time I went page seven on a Google.

[Ira Madison III]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Never. Never. Yeah. My man's. Come on now, Anthony, also, you've been in the industry for 30 years. These seem like rookie mistakes. So agents discovered by this point, Anthony had allegedly bilked investors out of almost $8 million in fraudulent friends and family pre offerings. What I tell y' all about reimbursement? I don't do reimbursement. I do preimbursement. Give me the money up front. So he getting these pre offers of what promised to be the biggest IPO in history, the initial public offering of Aramco, the Saudi oil giant. So he's over here telling people that he is about to get the oil popping. And nothing makes an American rock harder than oil.

[Ira Madison III]

The oil's popping. They love it popping.

[Lacey Mosley]

I honestly think them Don commercials where they was rubbing that oil off them little birds. People are horny for those.

[Ira Madison III]

Please.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't think they got the effect they wanted to. You were like, ooh, you know what I mean? Stop running those ads. Also, how y' all pull up on the birds at just the right time to get em all oiled up like that? I feel like they was putting oil on them birds and they washing it off with Don. Don. I'm trying to see something. Tweet me. If you work for Don, advertisement the scam. I think they put that oil on them birds.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah. If you write. If you work with Don. Right. In a letter, you will be anonymous.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, you will be anonymous.

[Ira Madison III]

Don't send it from your work email.

[Lacey Mosley]

Do. So agents discovered that Anthony was not only impersonating this diplomat, but also traveling on Somebody else's passport. The confidence. I feel like you have to be a person of color to do this because they think we all look alike. But then. Wait a minute.

[Ira Madison III]

But also. Also, whose passport? Cause like, if you were traveling with him, wouldn't you notice that's not your name?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, Prince.

[Ira Madison III]

And they'd be like, hella like saying your names at the airport, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

They say it loud and proud. They put your government off.

[Ira Madison III]

Thank you, Ira.

[Lacey Mosley]

But you know what?

[Ira Madison III]

Okay. Can I board this Delta flight exactly

[Lacey Mosley]

like y' all pressed? Come on, now. Also, you just brought up a good point. They say your name at the airport. And who mostly works at tsa?

[Ira Madison III]

Black people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they wouldn't have been able to nuke.

[Ira Madison III]

That wasn't him.

[Lacey Mosley]

But wait, wait a minute. Maybe he was traveling. I just learned about the rich people airport. Yeah, that were a mile away. And they don't do all that. That's probably where he was traveling. Because that's how the little rappers be getting all the coding and weeds on the plane.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So maybe he could get away with traveling for somebody else's passport for this long. So they started tracking him on his far flung route from Dubai to Hong Kong to London. And arrested him when he landed in JFK airport carrying a sizable amount of cake. Shawford was among 26 of the victims across the globe. Who. Anthony stole millions of dollars. So he had millions. But you know what? He was keeping up a millionaire lifestyle. So that money is probably flowing out like water. Cause I feel like at 8 million, I'm gonna sit down.

[Ira Madison III]

The money comes in, the money goes out.

[Lacey Mosley]

You right? I feel like I would just be Anthony at that point. But you know what? This life is pretty cushy. I get it. Anthony. If I was traveling like Kylie Jenner, like, it might be hard to quit. So he was sentenced to more than 18 years in prison, which pisses me off, because all he did was rob R. And I'm like, Amber Guyger, who shot a black man in his own home, got 10 years in prison. But this guy gets 18, right?

[Ira Madison III]

Robbing rich people. They deserve it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which. And also there are the people who have so much.

[Ira Madison III]

That's Elizabeth Warren's plan. Okay? He was the first wave.

[Lacey Mosley]

Elizabeth Warren is going to pull a

[Ira Madison III]

lick on rich people, okay? Anthony Moreno. Okay. That's where she learned it from.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay? The box. Elizabeth Warren, thug life. Okay? So a 1991 article in the Los Angeles Times called him the Prince of fraud. In 1991, he was called the Prince of fraud. Mind you, he Been out here frauding up until at least 2017. How are you the Prince of Fraud in 91? That would make him that 26 years.

[Ira Madison III]

Did they have his real name in 91?

[Lacey Mosley]

Obviously his government don't matter. Cause I done gave him three names since we've been here. So he was like, that's fine. I'll get a new name. So he was arrested at that time in 91 for flaking on $10,000 in bills from a limousine company and from the Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel. And that's. See?

[Ira Madison III]

And they let him stay at another Regent also. Stop staying at the Regent.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all don't got that.

[Ira Madison III]

Maybe he knows that it's easy to scam the Regent. And we thought they were classy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. They must have lots of ins and outs and homes. I've worked in nice hotels, and it's not as nice on the back of the house as you think it. Like, it's still a shit show like every other business. Also, I'm like, y' all don't got a picture of my man's up. I feel like if he scammed out of $10,000, every reason. And it should just be in the corner. Like, y' all should age him up like a missing child. This is what we think he look like now. We use the forensics.

[Ira Madison III]

Don't let him in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, I can't believe y' all let him get y'. All.

[Ira Madison III]

He looks so young, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

He does. He still looks very young.

[Ira Madison III]

Look at his skin.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, I didn't know scamming could be Colombian. So you. Oh, yep, Exactly. Scamming could keep you so youthful. Guys do a scam, you know, keep that. That's my anti aging. That's my moisturizer robbery.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wrinkle free. But so the other thing that is always crazy to me about this is like, when I go to a hotel, they shake my ass down. They want a credit card.

[Ira Madison III]

They want a credit card. They want. They want. Especially if you're in another country and you foreign, like, what's the passport?

[Lacey Mosley]

And they're not even. It's not just. They want a credit card. They're. They're gonna bill you. They're gonna go ahead and charge and hold you for at least $300 to make sure you got it.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how they treat the regular folks. But you got a $10,000 bill, and they had no way of finding you. Yeah, that's crazy. But this is what they do for rich people. They think like, oh, they have it. So we're gonna give it to them. So this was in 91. In his latest scheme, a US district judge imposed a fairly heavy sentence, calling his crimes truly remarkable, which sounds to me like praise.

[Ira Madison III]

Judge was impressed.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was like, you know what? I am gonna have to send you to jail, but shout out to a king, which I love. So he had a public defender representing him, which I'm like, Bruh, you had $8 million and you don't have enough money to get you a real lawyer. You got the public defender with the stack of court cases and he don't

[Ira Madison III]

know your name cause he knew he wouldn't get paid.

[Lacey Mosley]

True. Damn. He had a sweaty lawyer and a sweaty.

[Ira Madison III]

Hey, would you take that case?

[Lacey Mosley]

Case.

[Ira Madison III]

I knew I wouldn't see my money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Big facts, cuz. The whole case is about how you don't pay nobody.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I just want my retainer up front. This a high profile case.

[Ira Madison III]

I would. The government froze it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would have cocker this out of this case. Yo, I'm like, the dog collar don't fit. You must acquit, right?

[Ira Madison III]

I. I sure would have been like, now, you saw him eating the pork, why didn't you do something then, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'd be like, you wanted.

[Ira Madison III]

You wanted to be scammed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all had a relationship, didn't you? I be making up all types of shit.

[Ira Madison III]

Prison Fraud, 1991. You don't know how to Google.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Also, this is wild to me because just a public defense, like, you couldn't get nobody. You got homie in a suit from Men's Warehouse defending you when you stole millions of dollars from very, very rich, powerful people.

[Ira Madison III]

They could have been like someone doing pro bono, though, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

I hope so.

[Ira Madison III]

I don't know. Like, wasn't Annalise Keaton doing public defender last season? I don'.

[Lacey Mosley]

He would have got off. He had Analise limping up into the courtroom with that little heavy walk. Okay? He would have got right on off.

[Ira Madison III]

So my client. My client didn't do that, you, Honor. Me trying to do my bio.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm leaving.

[Ira Madison III]

I've been standing here with you, Troy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm leaving. I'm sorry. I'm packing up my things and I'm going. The podcast is over. It's Viola. Don't kill us, okay? I still. I wanna cross knot with you, queen. Don't kill us. We love you so honestly, if Viola was doing the case, he could have murdered a couple people.

[Ira Madison III]

Too prejudice to my client. Your Honor,

[Lacey Mosley]

my hands are in my face. I can't. So the Entire blame of this operation is on me, and I accept that. Said Anthony at his sentencing insist I am not a monster. I don't think you're a monster, Anthony.

[Ira Madison III]

I agree.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think that you were living the life that you deserve to live.

[Ira Madison III]

We all deserve.

[Lacey Mosley]

We all deserve.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you were just bold enough to do so. So you know what?

[Ira Madison III]

Free college, free diamond collars for all.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's Bernie's slogan, right?

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, that's Bernie's.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you want to get rich.

[Ira Madison III]

It's so hard to pitch, you know, it's so hard to pick Bernie Warren.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get closer together.

[Ira Madison III]

They both learned from Anthony Murphy right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Which I love. Guys. Anthony, I hope you can hear us in the clink. I hope.

[Ira Madison III]

Right. If you could hear us in the clink. Get back on the gram.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get back on the gram because you're fan.

[Ira Madison III]

We want to see the fit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Give us a look.

[Ira Madison III]

You know he's scamming in the clink, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

He has to be.

[Ira Madison III]

He has to be scamming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I'm sure he's in there still trying to flex his rich Persona.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Wearing Gucci prints.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they're like, so you can't wear. It's just a prison uniform. Selling Gucci all over, man. Y' all need to free my. When is Anthony's appeal date? When do we go to appellate court? Cause I'm gonna be out in front with my sign trying to free my

[Ira Madison III]

man, saying he did what he had

[Lacey Mosley]

to do to survive. Yes. Survival meant a private jet and diamond and crested collars. It means something different to everybody. Shout out to a king. We love you, Anthony. And in the honor of hotel scams, I'm gonna give y' all one more listener letter. Cause our hoodwink was a little short. And I know y' all be mad if these are under an hour. They be mad at me, y'. All. This is free. They be emailing me and writing me and dming me.

[Ira Madison III]

Really do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I feel like I'm starting to be a slave. I started this in my own volition.

[Ira Madison III]

I hate slavery.

[Lacey Mosley]

I hate slavery. That is my favorite gift. I use it all the time.

[Ira Madison III]

Stop,

[Lacey Mosley]

Isseray. You're a queen. So disclaimer. I still work for this company, just in a different capacity. Okay. So they also have asked that we use the name Clyde. Okay? So they said, hi. Hi, Lacy. Here's the scam. I'm. I'm skipping the nice stuff, Clyde, but thank you. I used to work in a hotel in the front desk as a supervisor. One of the Front desk incentives was, was for every guest we would enroll in the royalty program, we would receive 50 loyalty points to our account. So if they could get somebody in the loyalty program, they got a kickback.

[Ira Madison III]

I know where this going,

[Lacey Mosley]

Ira. True scammer. The catch was it had to be a valid enrollment, a new enrollment, including a street address and email, and it had to be consented by the guest. This is important because I broke all these rules. All right, Clyde. So I started off by just enrolling people with no email address. My manager found out and said my enrollments were flagged for the next month and to be careful. This made me nervous, so I started enrolling them with a letter or an added number in the email so they didn't know they were being enrolled. So when your manager said be careful, you didn't take that as quit. You was like, like our man's earlier, Anthony. You were like, what exactly did I do wrong? Okay, okay, Emails. Okay, I'll add that. Then I started enrolling guests and changing one or two numbers of their address. So like 7737 Main became 7733 Main Street. Okay. I got caught by a guest, but I denied it. I then realized that if I asked the guests and they said no, but I found an old account for them, they would accept the enrollment. So if these people said no, you would just go dig into their business and find an old account, sir. So he said, I started telling people, oh, it looks like you had an account previously, but it expired. I'll just reactivate it with this reservation. So he would just do this every time and just make a new account and double time these people. So he said he averaged an extra $150 a month for three years and he had enough points to go on a two week long vacation to the beach with his family in a resort where the average day was $300 a night for free.

[Ira Madison III]

Now, they didn't have to pay for these.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is the part. He was the number one royalty in the world.

[Ira Madison III]

They didn't have to pay for these.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is true. Who got hurt here?

[Ira Madison III]

Nobody.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nobody.

[Ira Madison III]

Nobody.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, this is maybe.

[Ira Madison III]

Maybe the person who he was competing against was number two. They probably pissed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Imagine some honest, hard working person, right?

[Ira Madison III]

They're number two. They're mad, really.

[Lacey Mosley]

Slanging these enrollments. Life is not fair. And if you want to get ahead, charged $12 for the drink, right? So you know what?

[Ira Madison III]

They made it. They made it a game. So of course people were gonna play it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Ira Madison III]

Your Honor, my client was just playing the game.

[Lacey Mosley]

Annalise comes back to defend this man. She limps in. It's the slowest walk down the courtroom aisle you've ever seen. Viola's walk is just like the. Like, truly, truly.

[Ira Madison III]

Like, I wanna talk about the day that she decided to give her character that lip, right? Like, she was on set. Like, I think. And Annalise. What's.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is an acting choice. Look, I'll just say that no one has ever personified the tiredness of the black woman in society than Annalise Keating. Annalise Keating is.

[Ira Madison III]

She's tired.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's so tired.

[Ira Madison III]

She's tired.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I love it. Well, I wanted to mention that one just because we're talking about hotels, and I think that people think, like, hotels are organized and, like, you're staying at this play base. No, no. It's a shit show back then.

[Ira Madison III]

Never are. How many times do I ask for early check in at the Standard? And they're always like, oh, well, you know, we. It's not guaranteed, but you can ask for.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, you can always get it. Early check in, late checkout. I've also learned if you call for late checkout and they're like, I'm sorry, we can't offer it today. Just stay in your room. What they gonna do, right? Who go check? Me, boo.

[Ira Madison III]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna stay here till. You know what the lady gonna do. She gonna go, hello.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you gonna go, no.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, right. Come there to clean up. Like, oh, it's okay. No late checkout. Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you just say late checkout to the cleaning people, because that's literally all it is, is like, they are trying to get the room turned over so they can get somebody else in. But if you need a late checkout and so does everybody else, guess what? Just stay there.

[Ira Madison III]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

What they gonna do? Some people, like, I guess maybe charge a fee, but I haven't even seen that. I've never been charged a fee. If someone said there was no more late checkout, and I just stayed in my room.

[Ira Madison III]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Try it. So, guys, it's time for the last segment of the show, and then I have to let Ira go. That's so sad. This has been wonderful. This is our first time meeting is in this studio.

[Ira Madison III]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I feel like I, like, know you. This is like. You're so cool.

[Ira Madison III]

We're here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Good vibes. So scammer of the week is Payless. I just wanna shout out to Payless. They still around, child? I guess this is their attempt to come back into relevancy. And I stan Bo. More like bogus. But you know what? I love it. Payless is a brand known for budget friendly shoes. That is a nice way to put it, because when I.

[Ira Madison III]

That is a very nice. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was. Payless shoes have no grip. You won't fall and bust your lip. Did you ever hear that as a kid?

[Ira Madison III]

I did not. But I sure know that we did not want to be caught with no Payless shoes. No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why pay more?

[Ira Madison III]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

When you get pay less dress shoes,

[Ira Madison III]

though, you always got the dress shoes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. Easter Sunday popping, right? So they're known.

[Ira Madison III]

They're so disorganized. By the way, I went in one, like, three few years ago, you guys, when I was living on the east side, when I was broke, I was just. Tried to go up in one. I was like, y' all don't even have my size. They're disorganized. There's nobody working in the store.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, the shoes sell themselves. Honestly, I don't know if I've ever had anybody. When I've gone into a pay list, the times that I can remember, I don't think anybody ever helped.

[Ira Madison III]

No, they're just like, go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know what a Payless is? It's like the back stock room of any other store. But they were like, let's just put this shit in the front.

[Ira Madison III]

Fuck it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause it's just tall shelves of boxes of shoes. And I remember climbing. They had the ladders in there, but they put a mirror on it to be like, oh, this is so you can look at your foot. But really it's so you could climb your bitch ass up and get your shoes yourself. It's so trifling. So. So the Payless store in Los Angeles in a mall, invited influencers to their grand opening. The store was stocked with Payless shoes in disguise.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, I remember this scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. The girls were mad on Twitter.

[Ira Madison III]

They were. They were very mad upset.

[Lacey Mosley]

So one of the influencers said I would pay $400 or $500 for these shoes. And she's holding up a pair of 1999 sneakers. Another shopper calls the Payless store elegant and sophisticated because, mind you, they didn't call the store pay. They called it Pelezi, which nobody thought that sounded a lot like Pelez.

[Ira Madison III]

Right? Also like, Pele shoes still look like Pele shoes. I'm sorry. I'm sure they look fine. But I'm like. I would look at it and be like, this?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that leather. It's dull. It's very dull. Or it's too shiny. Yeah, it's one or the other. It's definitely. I've never seen a Payless shoe and been like that. I'm shocked. Yeah. And I feel like I could see them out in the wild.

[Ira Madison III]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is fascinating to me.

[Ira Madison III]

Didn't Google the brand. I don't know. Every time I see a brand I don't know in the store, I'm googling, oh, what's this?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, who is in this?

[Ira Madison III]

Who rocks it?

[Lacey Mosley]

Who's in the drift? Exactly.

[Ira Madison III]

Right? You need to see who wears that kind of brand. Because, like, you don't want to be, like, wearing something and then you like, I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Well, one, I need to know if the Nazis are in it.

[Ira Madison III]

Right? I need to know if the Nazis.

[Lacey Mosley]

Step one, is David Duke in this drip.

[Ira Madison III]

Need to know if, like, Lena Dunham is a brand name ambassador. You just got to know. Got to. You got to protect yourself.

[Lacey Mosley]

You do need to protect yourself. So I guess nobody. But you know what, when someone offers you a coin and is like, show up to this event, especially when you're an influencer, your whole hustle is just getting coins off your followers, of course. So I feel like influencers aren't really caring about what the product is. Cuz, I mean, look at flat tummy tea. Like, that's shit soup. It literally is a drink that makes you poop. But listen, if they offer $50,000, I'm. I'm be sipping on it on my Instagram.

[Ira Madison III]

Listen, you already had Jamilah on your podcast. She see you saw a fly tvt. It's over. It's over. She know how to find you. She know how to find you. It's over.

[Lacey Mosley]

Although I would love.

[Ira Madison III]

She'll tell Earwolf. Cancel that podcast.

[Lacey Mosley]

I show up all my cancel podcast. I show up, all my shit is in a box in the corner.

[Ira Madison III]

Cut the podcast, Dead ass.

[Lacey Mosley]

They literally. They literally cut the cord to my microphone as I'm talking. Somebody just comes in here and start cutting this shit. Jamila said we gotta cancel your ass.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, we selling no flat tummy tea.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, I love to curl up with a good book and a hot cup of flat tummy tea.

[Ira Madison III]

Your Honor, my client was selling fraudulent tea.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm hiring you to be my Annalise Keating in the court of public opinion. Okay? You better show up and you better limp Ira. This is what I paid for. You better have just asked to pop Off.

[Ira Madison III]

I've been waiting all my life to limp into a courtroom.

[Lacey Mosley]

You better be freshly drunk. Off. Vodka.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. Always on the verge of being disbarred.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how I like my lawyers. Okay, you have a little sex in the chambers with your sexy black cop man and then come in drunk. God. Oh, I remember those scenes. Remember when Viola Davis was having sex with that man on tv? I had to watch my auntie. Ooh, he's very fine in person, too. I had to watch my auntie get her box eight. That was. That was challenging, but I appreciated it. Viola. So back to these info influencers. So a shopper gassed in. I'm sorry? A shopper gasped in disbelief when the secret was revealed. Shut up. Are you serious? She says about 80 influencers who attended this over two nights were in complete shocked, shocked shock when they realized that these were Payless shoes. Mind you, this is after they've shelled out about $3,000 in purchases. So they invited these influencers, paid them to show up, and then the influencer influencers bought the pay lesi shoes. First of all, if I show up and I'm being paid to be there, I'm not gonna buy nothing.

[Ira Madison III]

Where's the free merch?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you give me free merch, I'm gonna put the shoe on my foot. And for a photo, I have now paid for the shoe. I don't know what this is. So One shopper spent $640 on a pair of boots, which represented a 1,800% markup from the cost of the actual, actual shoe.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, you're not inviting me to something to have and me pay 640.

[Lacey Mosley]

So here's the thing. I know that there's some that, like, they put a brand on it and now it's more expensive, but it's made in the same factory as cheap. But I can tell a cheap shoe from an expensive shoe to a certain degree. Like, I feel like when you get into the, like, mid level. Yeah, Like a Yeezy is cheaper than a Balenciaga. But if you're looking at them, they're both made pretty well. But I feel like a boot. Like, come on, sis. So Payless returned their money and let them keep the shoes. So it was like a little trick. So they made them pay for it and then was like, ha, ha. Look, see, our shit is nice. And then gave them their money back, which is nice. I would have kept the money. Payless, how well are y' all doing?

[Ira Madison III]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like y' all need that Money.

[Ira Madison III]

Keep the money. But also was this ad, I guess the advertisers that, like, oh, our shoes look so good. You think they're designer, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Ira Madison III]

But really, I guess the thing is, this is like, you just.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Ira Madison III]

And then I'd be like, okay, why don't y' all open Plezi?

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe you should.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah, do Plesi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Ira Madison III]

Open Plesi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, stop doing Payless and do Plesi. Cause I think we like Plesi better. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's the moral of the story. But Payless was like, no, no, no, no. We gonna take this Plesi sign down and put back up the Payless sign.

[Ira Madison III]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the campaign plays off the ignorance, discrepancy, and it aimed to remind consumers that there's still a relevant place to shop for affordable fashion.

[Ira Madison III]

Just pay influencers to wear Payless signals. Instagram.

[Lacey Mosley]

That would have been simpler.

[Ira Madison III]

Right? That's some weird, like, fly shoes. And then, like, on someone's Instagram, you know, get, like. Get like a little. Get like a little Tyler Oakley in, like, some shoes, you know, get your girl, Billy Eilish. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

In a Payless drip.

[Ira Madison III]

Gigi, you know, get something in there, Gigi. Like, something that looks real cute. And it's like, oh, this is from Payless.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Get the Kardashians and pay. And the girls will get it, and the girls will comp. Yes. Also, I mean, the Kardashians literally brought Fendy back to life. They gave Fendi CPR on the table, and now people are wearing the Fs again.

[Ira Madison III]

Yeah. Fendi Prince on.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Nikki, I want her collection. The capsule. It's really cute. It's a little ratchet, too. I was like, yes. She was like, I want something I could wear in a hood. And I could also wear to a nice event. And then I saw it, and I was like, okay, I could definitely wear it in the hood.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes. I love it to an Emmys party.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know if I can wear NGI Capsule Fendi to an Emmy's party.

[Ira Madison III]

All right. I certainly would try plastic dress,

[Lacey Mosley]

guys. Y' all love scrolling my Instagram for an old favorite. Find the plastic dress.

[Ira Madison III]

Find the plastic dress. I wanna see the plastic dress.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's on there. Along with that scam magazine article that y' all found. I told them I did Voyage la. Have you heard of that?

[Ira Madison III]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, it's a scam magazine where you. They scam you into giving them the information of you and 10 friends to say they're gonna write an article about you online, but you write the article yourself, and then they post it online. And you act like you was in a magazine, but you was never in a magazine.

[Ira Madison III]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I posted this on my Instagram years ago, and then people found it. They found it and they were like, damn, sis, it's still up. I was like, I live in my scams. I live in my truth. I'm proud of my scams. So y' all find that plastic dress, and there's a picture of me holding some Emmys from some white men's that I took. So. So enjoy.

[Ira Madison III]

Hold them. Game of Thrones Emmys.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna get my own one day. So, guys, that brings us to the end of the podcast. And, Ira, where do you wanna be found? That's what I ask people.

[Ira Madison III]

In conclusion, you can find me in the courtroom defending justice. You can find me on Twitter @Ira scammed, that three letter name.

[Lacey Mosley]

That is a fantastic Twitter name. And your Twitter's so good. It's so entertaining.

[Ira Madison III]

Thank you. I tried to be more entertaining for the girls, you know, for a minute, it was like, it was 2016. It's very serious.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Ira Madison III]

Still got to talk about politics sometimes because the streets are wild. But, you know, just, like, I just try and tweet stuff that's funny to me now and, like, watch, because I don't need the girls, like, in my men's husband's being, like, actually. Or just, like, starting fights with me. I'm like, I don't want fights anymore.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly.

[Ira Madison III]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, you're not paying me. You fighting with an Abby with no photo.

[Ira Madison III]

If I tweet something that you can earnestly reply to, like, that I'm doing my job wrong enough.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like, but we can have a. We can talk for fun. But, yeah, I don't want to. Please don't come over here with your nonsense. But wait, you were talking about the circle on Twitter recently.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, I love the circle.

[Lacey Mosley]

I finished the circle, so I won't give you any spoilers. Yes. But, guys, if you want something to watch that literally is just like little lab rats in a cage and it's pointless, and. And your mind will just be free of impending doom.

[Ira Madison III]

Got to watch the circle.

[Lacey Mosley]

Watch the circle.

[Ira Madison III]

Got to get up in that.

[Lacey Mosley]

And there's some scammers on the circle. And that's why I like the circle, too.

[Ira Madison III]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, guys, as always, you can find [e-mail] Please email us your cons and your frauds. If you haven't heard your con or fraud on the show, it's still gonna happen. Guys. I promise you that is not a scam. You can find me at D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms and Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram and Twitter. Congregation, stay scheming.

[Ira Madison III]

Hey, I'm Paul Scheer.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm June Diane Rayfield.

[Ira Madison III]

And I'm Jason Mantzoukas. And we're the hosts of how did this Get Made? A comedy podcast where we deconstruct, make fun of, and celebrate the best worst movies ever made. Have you ever seen a movie that's so bad that it's actually good? That's what we're talking about.

[Lacey Mosley]

From blockbuster franchises for TV romances to

[Ira Madison III]

bonkers 80s action flicks and obscure sci fi musicals, we cover it all. You can find. How did this Get Made? Wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to follow the show so you never miss an episode. Idiot. Close your eyes.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Ira Madison III]

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