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Scams. C. Robbery and fraud. Scam. Cause robbery and fraud. What's up, congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another episode of the show Scam Goddess. Yes. I named the show after me. Honey. I always say I'm excited about my guests. I. I always mean it, but I truly am because this happened on Twitter, honey. So this is actually on y'. All. Shout out to the Twitter fans who have started making requests and bookings, honey. Bookings. So, guys, we have Ira Madison III in the building.
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B
Hello.
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A
How are you?
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B
Good, good. I really did get booked via Twitter.
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A
He got booked via Twitter. He has a really amazing podcast called Keep it that you all should be listening to if you're not already. It's hilarious. It's so good. And he's a TV writer, and if you love you, he's on the second season of you Making it look and it's so good.
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B
Talking about scams, I scammed my way into that.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Yes. Right, right, right. Cause you write for tv and then you know someone who made that show. Yes, yes. That's so dope. Wait, so you're the third. So there's three other Iron Masters, your grandpa.
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B
There's two others.
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A
There's two other. I can't count.
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B
Okay.
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A
I was like. And it's three more.
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B
Yeah, they're dead. It's all good. We gotta talk about that.
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A
Okay, well, I was. All right, well, there we go.
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B
Ira, the only.
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You're the only person to make that statement after the former. Oh, I love it. Guys, as you can see, this is already gonna be a fun ass episode. I can't wait. So, Ira, what is your relationship with scams?
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B
What is. You know, I feel like I love a good scam. You know, anything from when I went to, like, the Golden Globes like, after parties last year. Oh, yes. I stopped by Sephora and got the face done.
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A
You know where I learned that before? Before going, I'm America's Next Top Model.
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B
Did you?
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A
Yes.
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B
Yeah.
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A
If you're out and you gotta go somewhere and you need to beat your face real quick, just go into a makeup store and just start using all the products.
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B
Yes. Oh, no. I sat down.
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A
Cause you guys sat down.
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B
I sat down and got like a. Oh, just show me, you know, like the highlighter, like the everything.
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A
Show me your full face.
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B
Yes. I was like, ooh, can I get some of those samples? And then rolled out.
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A
Show me a lash. Show me a blotting sheet. Show me a to go bag. I Love it. I love it. Yes. I. I stopped scamming on award shows a few years ago because I was like, okay, I'm getting to the point where, like, I will be invited to them, so I need to stop just showing up and scheming. It's too hot.
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B
But it's so easy in LA to do it, too. Like, trying to scam your way into a party, too.
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A
Just.
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B
It's great.
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A
I scanned my way into the Fox Searchlight Emmys party last two years ago. Okay, Two and a half years, maybe three years ago.
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B
How'd you do?
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A
I just showed up. And it was funny because we were just at the VH1 Hip Hop Honors, which is a whole different vibe. I was wearing a white plastic dress. It worked, but not.
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B
But they weren't ready for it.
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A
Not the Emmys vibe, though.
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B
They weren't ready.
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A
No, no, no, no, no. But I showed up and I was like. I left my whatever credentials. And I was like, I gotta go. I just pretended to be drunk, and I was like, I gotta go back to the bathroom. I left my wallet, and they were just like, o. I ain't been up in there at all.
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B
I love it. Yes.
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It was good. It was great. Yes. So, you know, all you gotta do is act like you belong there. That's one of the things I love about scammers. It's just acting like you belong.
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B
You always get caught when you walk up and look nervous, like you're about to ask someone a question. You just gotta keep walking.
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A
Exactly. And look bored. You gotta look like everything here is nasty. Yeah, I don't wanna be here. And that's how you get inside. Yeah. Well, guys, we have a listener letter for what's hot and fraud. Guys, you've been sending in such great listener letters. My only notice some of these is too long. Honey, y' all sending me books. Okay, look, I read my books on my vac. I do not read them in my inbox. Y'. All. Keep it succinct. Okay? But this one comes from. What am I gonna name you? Leroy Jenkins. And Leroy says, love the podcast. Oh, thank you. Okay, I wanna tell you about an old scam that my co worker was running at a restaurant that I worked at in college. She would enter a tip on the credit card when closing out the table, and she would add a dollar or two to whatever the tip the person left. And she got away with it for months before someone actually checked their credit card statement and wasn't working there anymore when she got caught. But I heard she Got arrested for it, so. Oh, no. Also, she was having an affair with the owner. You dropped dime on my sis.
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B
Ooh, you know what? That reminds me. So I used to be a bartender, but one of my bartending gigs was on Broadway at the Broadway theaters. Like, at the Phantom of the Opera theater. August, Osage County. I did Chorus Line of Chicago a couple times.
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A
Were they drinking a lot?
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B
Yes, yes.
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A
Those are drinker shows.
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B
Yes. Particularly Phantom of the Opera. I love that musical. But the stage show is the same one since 86. It needs to update. But there'd be people who took, like, their wives or, like, girlfriends and stuff to the show. Or even some women sometimes, too. But they'd just be like. During the second act, they'd be like, I'm good. Like, they're downstairs. Just like, turn. Knocking back. Knocking them back.
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A
I bartender, too. I also did wait tables. I'm trying to like.
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B
Sorry. The reason I brought this up.
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A
Oh, why are you bringing this up?
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Was because I worked with someone who used to tell people higher prices because the prices weren't listed. So they would be like, oh, like, say, like a vodka soda is $7. It's Broadway. So it's like 10. But they'd be like 12. And then that extra $2 they would put into the tip jar.
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A
Yes. That's a scam. Listen, people don't be tipping. And as someone who's worked for tips, right?
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B
And I was like, I'm not snitching.
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A
No, not right.
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Because we shared tips. So I was like, well, look, I'm
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not robbing people, but if you.
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Right. I just joined, too. So I was like, they've been running this racket for years. Like, this ain't got nothing to do with me.
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Don't fuck up the bag now. Wait, were you giving the accurate price? Cause then that could fuck it up if, like, they went to homie once and it was 12, and then they come over to you and it's 10.
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B
But these people were drunk. And, like, I feel like one time it got messed up, and then someone was just like, oh, you must like me. He charged me a little bit more. I'm like, discount. Like, whatever.
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A
They're a scammer, too. Because instead of being like, what's going on here? They were like, ooh, less.
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B
Yes.
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I will take less.
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B
Yes. But, you know, I was like, I was broke. I was living in New York. I was 21. I was like, as long as they are doing their scam, let me listen.
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A
I bartended.
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They were the boss, too.
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A
So okay, well, then you gotta just play your position. Okay. Yeah, exactly. I hate when somebody doesn't play their position. I did bartend, too, in New York. When I was actually at 22, I was working in the Hamptons and child. It was so many scams going up in my job. Like, we the owner, or not the owner, but the manager was just, like, a cokehead. And he was drunk all the time, so he would just be gone. So then, like, eventually I learned all the passcodes to all the systems so that I would be doing the managing, because he would be somewhere turned up. And it was waiters, there was some selling drugs. It was a wild place.
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I love the jobs where you can be. So one of my first jobs in New York was working at banana Republic and 30 Rock.
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A
Yes, that's a busy Banana Republic.
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B
Yes. Yes. Well, I wouldn't know. Why did I transfer there from the one that I worked at in Chicago when I moved to New York, and I. At a certain point, I just stopped going. I really only went because I had a friend who was in New York for the summer that year that I first moved there. And they were interning at Business Week. And so they would always be, like, going on group lunches. And it was in 30 Rock. And I was always like, oh, I have lunch with y'.
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All.
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Like, that's how I made friends with them. So I would just show up to work, really, to, like, come to lunch with them. Take, like, long lunch because, you know, you only get 30 minutes on. But I'd be there for an hour. And then a certain point, I just stopped going. And then they called me and set, like, a month later. And we're like, hey, you've been missing us on shifts. Like, do you want to come in? And I was like, damn sure. And then I went in. And then, like, halfway into the shift, I was like, I gotta quit. I gotta go.
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I can't believe. They must have been. The nanner must be desperate, honey. Cause they were like, please come back to work.
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B
It was 30 Rockefeller in the middle of the summer. I feel like they were just, like, they needed bodies, right?
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A
They didn't even care who it was. Cause I was about to say, ira, you are a black man. You are very tall. And I was like, how did nobody notice your black ass was missing from the Banana Republic? Guys, I think we are short a Negro. I haven't seen Ira in a while.
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B
Where's he at? Folding claws?
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A
Everybody just keeps saying you in the back, right? Yeah. They must have been real busy because in retail, usually it's a high turnover, so they'll get rid of you quick. But they were like, please, sir, can you just come back to work? If you don't mind, if you have any free time, could you come back to your employment? Just please shout out to Banana Republic. Are they still doing okay?
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B
I don't know. I. I tried to go into a Banana Republic recently and I was like, it's just really nothing.
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A
For who are their clothes for?
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B
I. I don't know because I feel like when I was in, like, high school, well, I went to a. All boys, like, Catholic high school, but even I felt like when I was in high school and like, college, like, that was a thing. Like that was fancy, quote unquote. Right, right. For like, my family. So they were like, oh, we'll go get you, like a nice sweater, a banana rep, something like that. But then, I don't know, at a certain point, living in New York, I grew out of shopping at Banana Republic because what would I get there?
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I did, too. And now I'm thinking about, like, who their demographic is.
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B
I feel like it's like white secretaries.
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Anybody who calls a manager.
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B
Yes.
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I feel like that's who they're outfitting. Yeah. And I guess, like corporate. You. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, child, but was Michelle Obama wearing Banana Republic?
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Maybe, but, you know, probably like Couture Banana. Real quick. Okay.
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Plantain Republique. Michelle got on that new plantain. Yes. Scams. Guys, it's time for my savorite. Savorite and favorite.
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B
Savor it.
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A
Savor it.
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B
Savor the favorite.
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A
Yeah, savor the favorite section of this podcast called Historic Hoodwinks. So I'm going to regale Ira with a very infamous con and we're going to get his thoughts on this one. So I thought about you when I. When I chose this. I think that you'll enjoy this. And you already said you worked in retail, so, you know.
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I did.
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About the fashion and the flexing. The story is a fake Saudi prince who flaunted on Instagram and has been sentenced to major fraud schemes. And he posed for decades as a name or under the name Prince Khalid.
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Yes. The singer
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Bring it right back.
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Removed from Instagram.
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A
So when his cover was about to be blown, he staged a tantrum in an Aspen hotel to try to cover it up. So he fought till the end. And that's what I love. Like, I don't want you to give up. I don't want you to quit. Like, if it's going left like you go down with the ship. My man's played it like the Titanic. He was on his violin, just playing as the scam ship went down. And I'm living for it. So this is how it started. His name is Gignac and he's right behind you if you want to take a look at him. He kind of cute.
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B
Oh, he is cute. He's cute.
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Yeah. I feel like that furthered the scam. We've talked about this. Scammers have to be courageous. It helps if you a little sexy. You know what I mean? Because everybody likes to look at a sexy person.
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Yes. Ugly scammers. I'm very proud of them.
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Because they have overcome the odds.
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Yes, they have.
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Because everybody looked at them and said no, and they somehow got them to say yes. And I am. If you're a not so hot scammer, honestly, you're doing the Lord's work. Damn. This is his current Instagram. He has 3,000 followers.
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B
What's the recent photo? When was it recently taken?
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Yeah, click on that. And it was.
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B
Oh, October 2017.
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A
Okay, so he'd been in the clink for at least two years.
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Yes.
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Why you not on the gram? In the clink, bruh? JT had her jail gram popping.
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Okay?
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JT never missed a photo shoot.
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Double tap jt, right? Free JT and double tap jt.
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Every time they said they had yard time, she was like, bet. Let's get the lights together. Get my ring light because she gave us. Luke's in the prison. Okay, okay, so damn. He was living good, I guess, until up around October 2017. His Instagram has like 3,000 followers. The name is like Prince07, which don't sound like Dubai07. Prince Dubai07, which honestly sounds like something I would have made my AOL AIM profile when I was in seventh grade.
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Look, this thing with like a stack in the car.
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Okay, so his name is Gignac. That's his real name. Not Prince Khalid. And he went by the moniker Prince Khalid Al Saud of Saudi Arabia. And for more than three decades, Honey, Three of Them Things chronicles his phony life of luxury on Instagram, which we're looking at right now. The 48 year old lived in Miami, star studded Fisher island, which 48 people are good, right? The Jids Khalid. What are we rubbing on that skin? Cause I need some. So he referred to himself as Prince Sultan and his Royal Highness. These are the names for himself. And he demanded pricey gifts from his business partners. But in reality, Gignac was from Colombia, an orphan Born Anthony Moreno. So that ain't even his name. So his real name is Anthony Moreno. We got three aliases going on here. And I love a scammer alias. Mine is a little too obvious. I've said that before. I'm gonna work on it.
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B
People are so rude. The comments on this. These posts were made before he got sentenced to 18 years. W.
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People are so disrespectful. The next one says Bahaha. Wait, go back. The next one says Bahahaha. Great seeing him on American Greed. Crying face. Crying face. Crying face. So he must have been on another show called American Greek, cuz people are getting the tea. Wait, scroll up. I want to see some more of these comments. People are disrespectful. I gotta have somebody deactivate my Instagram when I'm dead because I do not want y' all commenting on my swimsuit pictures. He will read our RIP.
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B
He will read our comments in 2038.
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A
Oh, y' all are shady.
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B
Oh, free Foxy.
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A
Yes, free my mans. I'm with it. Is Foxy the dog. He taking a picture with a dog. I can't. Guys, people are rude, okay? They are on his Instagram turning the fuck up. And it's very funny.
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Well, all you envious people, most of you would trade, gladly trade your whole lives for one month of his in his prime.
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A
Listen, you better stand up for our king, right?
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B
My whole life, though.
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Come on. My whole life for. For. Okay. Would you trade your whole life for 30 years of being filthy nasty rich?
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Well, 30 years. I'm old now too. Like, send me to. Send me to prison at that age. I don't even want to be here no more.
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Is it? Yeah. I feel like going to prison older is definitely better than going younger. Even though I guess you would want creature comforts when you're older. But when you young, you hot and spicy. Like you're supposed to have them thighs out here in the streets.
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B
Yeah. Three decades.
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A
That's a long time.
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B
I would be like, you know, like, you're supposed to do that scam and then, like, quit right before you get caught. But I guess if you're doing it for three decades, you. You just get used. You think you're never gonna get caught, right?
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Also, it's a profession. Like, scamming is a profession. And a lot of people, some people get in and get out, or they get in and they go straight. Like Jay Z was a scammer, and then he went straight, cleaned up all his money, paid a friend to go to jail for Him. Y' all don't. Don't have Beyonce out here trying to kill me, though. That's all I'm gonna say. Okay, Beyonce. I didn't mean any of that. I love your husband. You love him right now, right? We loving him. I just gotta check with Beyonce before I say I love gc. She love him. I love him. She don't wanna talk to him. I'm not talking to him. That's how it goes. But okay, so the real Prince Khalid is actually 79 years old and he's the governor of Mecca, which I thought was interesting too, because he picked somebody so old that we're not gonna see any pics of real Khalid on the gram. Like, ain't no 79 year old out here posting Snapchat. So we've probably never seen Snap.
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B
Just Drake's dad.
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A
Drake's dad is too lit for me. I've seen Drake's dad in the club and it made me question my life choices.
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B
Truly.
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A
I was like, drake's dad is right here. What am I doing? One of us is not supposed to be here. And I'm thinking it's me. So the word was spreading that there was a Saudi prince in Miami and he was looking to invest $600 million. And people were excited. The city was talking, the streets were talking. So Jeffrey Soffer, who's a billionaire real estate developer who owns the famous Fontainebleau, which I've stayed in. And the Fountain Blue is very cut cute. Okay. You meet your little athlete up in your. Honey. Okay. And it's in Miami Beach. They have a few of them. Oh, and it's also where club live is. Isn't live in the Fountain Blue?
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I think so.
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Yeah, it is. I'm pretty sure. So it's a very lit place. There's always celebs, there's always a rapper and a Maybach. Maybach Music. So he says he wants to invest $600 million in the fountain Blue. So software initially fell for the ploy. That's the guy who owns it gifting the crooked shake with $50,000 in Lux. This is like a customary thing like amongst like Saudi Arabian culture. And how they do business is like you will gift people with, you know, possessions or whatever. Just so I guess, like good faith or whatever. So this was not abnormal for Jeffrey suffer in this kind of situation, surprisingly. I'm gonna call him Anthony. They got him listed in here as Gignac, but I'm like, who is that? His name is Anthony Moreno. So Anthony Moreno has been arrested 11 times for Prince related schemes prior to the latest case. So he has been getting caught.
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B
Okay.
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A
But he's been getting out.
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B
He kept doing it. Okay.
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A
Which I love that. Cause maybe it's like he gets caught and he's like, okay, let me tweak that. Let me recalibrate.
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B
Yes. It's like feedback, criticism. Yes.
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He gets caught in his criticism. He's like, okay. He's like. They're like, sir, why are you taking notes right now? He's like, no. So what else y' all charging me with? Okay, and how did y' all find that out? He ain't here trying to improve. I love it. I would love to just go to jail and be like, yeah, so what am I doing wrong in my crimes? Like, please let me know. So he keeps up this gimmick by always traveling with his Chihuahua, Foxy, which we saw his fans on his Instagram
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who commented on him. Free Foxy.
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A
Free Foxy. Where did Foxy go? That's the real victim here. And she had a diamond encrusted collar. Honey, is there a diamond collar in that picture? Very rich. If your dog has jewelry, then you know you're rich. So that's a diamond encrusted collar for your dog?
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B
Yes. Why are you flooding out your dog? I have questions.
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Damn. I just want to be your dog at this point. Can I get the collar that'll fit around my neck? Get that around my neck. Get a little extension going. Give me some rope. I'm new. I'm his new dog. So to save money on keeping up appearances, he often bought cheap Rolexes available and then. Or the cheapest Rolexes available, and then he would have a jeweler glue inexpensive diamonds to them, many of them fake. Listen, as much as I like to think that I have an eye for diamonds, if someone had a jewel encrusted Rolex like it was some zirconia on there, I wouldn't know. No, especially if he mixed it in. If it was like a few real ones and some zirconiums too. Child. And diamonds are a scam. You know how many diamonds are in the world? The only reason they're precious is because they're hoarding them and bringing them out little by little. So as you guys.
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B
Free the diamonds.
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Free the diamonds. That's my new campaign. Free the diamonds. So he leased and borrowed luxury cars, yachts, and under various pretenses, he would, like, have these different cars and vehicles. And then when they would disappear, he said he'd grown tired of them. So we'd Be like, oh, hey, hey, Priscali, what happened to that Maybach you had last week? Oh, tired of it. I was tired of it. But Wasn't it a 2020? Yeah, yeah, but you know, it's some new shit out.
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What happened to that boo you was dating? Got tired. It got tired. I moved on. What happened to your apartment? Got tired of it.
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A
I got tired of my apartment.
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That's why I'm at this hotel.
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What happened to your shoes? I got tired of shoes. We're going barefoot now. That's what real rich people do. So we would all go to lunch in Miami, and the Sultan would say, let's go to the four season, because my family owns it, recalls Visser, who was a CBS sportscaster. So now he does the next scammer thing, which is, I could just scammer crew. Like friends who got money, people who make you look popping. So when Leslie's husband asked the prince, which one of the king's wives is your mother? He chuckled and responded, the good one. Yo, my man's is a liar. Like, why would you hear that and then be like, okay, that adds up.
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B
Yeah, very sketchy.
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Like, if I asked you who your parents were? Okay, so her husband, who was with the CIA for 10 years, and she says, we were pretty aware of people, you know, who are shady or who were liars. Cause, you know, being around the CIA. But we were totally fooled. Maybe I weren't that good in the CIA. Maybe because if I asked somebody which mama was they mama, and they said
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the good one, the good one.
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A
And then I'd be like, okay, but who?
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B
Who? Really?
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No follow up questions. You're like, checks out.
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B
Okay, all right, okay, but which one? What she look like?
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No, which I want the state, we've moved on. So she said her husband once saw him write a note in Arabic and thought it looked authentic. So remember, he's from Colombia, and I will hope over this period of time he's learned like, a little bit of Farsi.
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B
I bet it wasn't Farsi at all. I bet it wasn't Arabic.
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A
Don't say that.
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B
I don't trust her. She didn't even ask about the right mom. It was probably fake, right? Probably wing dings, not webdings.
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He over here doing squiggles. Did you see that picture of a donut that was going around? Some crazy right wing people were posting this picture of a donut from Starbucks that had like squiggly icing on the side. And they were like, this is Farsi. And they're telling us about Sharia law. I was like, on a donut from Starbucks.
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Only white people love Starbucks.
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A
So she's like, look, I saw this donut once at Starbucks. I know that's Arabic, okay? So even agents with the Diplomatic Security Service were impressed by one aspect of Anthony's ruse. While they were executing a search warrant of his condo, a boy who looked like he was maybe 9 or 10 years old approached one of them and said, are you a DSS agent? He asked, and the agent was startled. Most people have never heard of the dss. How do you know that? He demanded. And the boy said, oh, the prince that lived. He has DSS agents. So he hired people to pretend to be Diplomatic Security Service people. And I'm just wondering how much were they getting on the payroll? Is this like a backstage casting?
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B
You know?
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A
Is this a Craigslist?
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B
Can I audition?
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A
Can I audition to be a Secret Service? So the princess supplied his personal bodyguards with bogus Diplomatic Security Service badges that looked better than the real thing is what the people in the agency said. So he had to drip.
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B
Okay.
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A
That they had earpieces that led to nowhere, that heard nobody. You put the earpiece on nobody. So, okay. All right. So people start getting suspicious because despite his elaborate efforts to maintain his image, he forgot a well known Muslim rule which any respectable Saudi prince would honor, which is pork is off limits. My man's got ousted by bacon.
- [23:58]
B
I even. I know that. If you got all this money, all these schemes, do you really need to still be eating bacon?
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A
Listen, bacon is good, rich or poor.
- [24:15]
B
True. But. But you're right for the bling.
- [24:19]
A
You're right.
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B
Give up the bacon.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Or at least don't eat it in front of people.
- [24:23]
A
Right? Or at least make a little, like, note to it, like, my father would kill me and then nibble on it. You can't just.
- [24:29]
B
Yeah.
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A
He was like, let me get a grand slam. Y' all got maple bacon? Yeah. Fresh off the pig. Thank you. And some sausage. Like, what are you doing, bruh? I hate that it was something as small as bacon, but I feel like when you're scamming it, always, like the little.
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B
It's always something very tiny.
- [24:46]
A
Yes. And so when Shaffer, who was the hotel magnate who owns the fountain Blue, caught him eating bacon and other pork products, so he didn't stop with bacon. He hired private investigators to look into the alleged prints, which ultimately led to an FBI probe. The FBI probe did not settle well with the prince. Prince Khalid bin Al Saud was having a thunderous meltdown in the lobby of the St. Regis Hotel in Aspen, which. That is a very nice hotel. I love a St. Regis honey. Ranting and raving about a crime being committed against him. The crime was disrespect.
- [25:20]
B
I say that St. Regis in Atlanta, those were cute.
- [25:22]
A
And that one's nice too. That's cute. I like the St. Regis in Atlanta. I've been there to cute around. Not look like a prostitute, but. But be.
- [25:34]
B
So he had a meltdown in Aspen.
- [25:36]
A
Yes. Which is very funny.
- [25:38]
B
So Prince Khalid apres ski.
- [25:41]
A
Listen, I wish I could been there. I wish I was in the lobby, you know, toasting my snow boots and I could have caught this because this is very funny. So he says, you have insulted my honor. The prince shrieked, my father the king is going to be very upset. This is not how you do business with royal tea.
- [25:59]
B
My father, the king. The king. No name. The king.
- [26:04]
A
Did he even look up names? Because my man has said zero names.
- [26:08]
B
None. None.
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A
My father, king, father. He about to be pissed. Like, sir, you couldn't. You could have did a quick Google. We could have had at least one Google. He could have came up with one mom. Who was his mom. Not the good one, not the king. This is getting a little lazy for me. But he did it for 30 years, so who am I to say what you need to know? So accompanied by his diamond bedecked Chihuahua, Foxy, the prince was screaming at softer's representatives, threatened to sue them for their intolerance. And he wasn't even a prince. He was a serial con artist. Right. So the Colombian orphan adopted by a Michigan family had embarked on this for 30 years, like we talked about after the meltdown, he upped it to a higher level. So he could have stopped, but yet he persisted, which I appreciate. Perseverance. Do you think if you got this far, like you would stop? Would you be like, oh, nevermind, I don't got $600 million. I'll see y'. All.
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B
I mean, it's probably a rush, right? Like, you just gotta keep doing it.
- [27:08]
A
Yeah, that's true.
- [27:09]
B
That's what you're supposed to do. Just go back to a normal life, not scam people.
- [27:13]
A
He's like, all right, y'. All Right, my name's Anthony. I'm gonna pack up. All right, God bless. Well, and he also scammed this pretty far. Like, this is the St. Regis. This isn't even the fountain blue in Miami anymore. So now he been flew out. So I guess you gotta keep. So he has his investment banker approach. So he has an investment banker. Does his investment banker know how much money he has, or is this another hired person from backstage? Probably.
- [27:34]
B
You know, he probably does have money.
- [27:36]
A
You have to amass some amount of money, right? And then maybe if he's selling off these items and doing these rentals. You're right. You right. He done got a little coin. So his investment banker approaches one of Shoffer's associates, and Shoffer, again, is the hotel magnet and says, this deal is going to fall through. She warned him. So this is a one. Okay, sis.
- [27:54]
B
She was like, I'm not about to get implicated.
- [27:58]
A
She said, but no, but she's keeping up with the scam. She says, you have insulted the prince's honor, and here's how you need to get back into business.
- [28:06]
B
Oh, okay. So she wasn't. She wasn't trying to give them a heads up?
- [28:09]
A
No, she was in on the scam.
- [28:10]
B
She was in on the scam.
- [28:11]
A
Okay, I see you, sis. She probably wanted to be an actress.
- [28:16]
B
Where's she at?
- [28:18]
A
I know we need to figure out who this woman is. I'm gonna have to look it up. So here's what you need to get back in graces with him. You need to give him a gift. So extravagant gifts, like we talked about before, are part of the negotiation process in the Middle East. It's a sign of respect. So Shaffer had already given him expensive artwork along with a $5,000 diamond encrusted dog collar and other trinkets for his dog. Now, his highness wanted something pricier. It has to be at least $50,000. She said, how is he gonna owe us $50,000?
- [28:47]
B
Right?
- [28:48]
A
Just give a good gift or just give 50. You're just saying, like, maybe also just give us $50,000.
- [28:54]
B
Give us 50,000.
- [28:55]
A
And also, how does that work? Like, I'm gonna give you $600 million, but you need to give me $50,000.
- [29:00]
B
Right?
- [29:00]
A
This sound like the Nigerian prince scam? This is like the escalated in person Nigerian prince scam, which they actually found, like, a bunch of money in some apartment in Nigeria. On Twitter, people were tweeting like, damn, that prince really was. He really was trying to give us the money. I love Nigeria. That's a great industry for scams there. Omo Niger, you guys know. So the next day, Shoffer and his team presented a $50,000 Cartier bracelet to the prince. So this is after Shaffer. My man has already been like, oh, I saw a homie munching down on some pork chops. I have people investigating Him. Now he gets mad, throws this fit. And you retract all your suspicions and
- [29:44]
B
you call Cartier and say, get me something that is $50,000.
- [29:48]
A
That's probably was the phone call. He was like, hello, Cartier, what's 50k?
- [29:52]
B
Okay, we'll take it.
- [29:54]
A
Don't even look at it. Yeah, no, bring it to the hotel. Thank you so much. So he got him back in. He reeled him back into this scam. Yo, I gotta admire my man's Anthony. Cause this worked. Him getting angry worked. That makes sense. I like that. You gotta have some gumption, some audacity. So the next day they give him this bracelet, right? Gift in hand, Anthony responds by enhancing his deception even further. So my man's could not stop here. You just got a $50,000 bracelet. Libra. He gets a phone call, or at least he pretends to get a phone call and says some weird code like Zulu red, Echo 33. So my man, it's like, hold on, my phone ringing. Sir, there's no one. Your phone not lighting up? No, no, no, no. It's ringing. This is an Android. Hello, Zulu Echo red.
- [30:42]
B
Don't drag people with the androids.
- [30:45]
A
I'm always dragging an Android. I'm sorry, you're fucking up our group chats. Okay?
- [30:48]
B
We have a work group chat and it's 10 people, one person.
- [30:53]
A
When they enjoy it, always one. You think you're getting away with it, you start putting the names in.
- [30:57]
B
Bloop. The worst part of it is when you, you, when you react to text, it always just says spells out like so and so. Laughed at, so and so emphasized.
- [31:08]
A
It's so frustrating. And Apple is the one who's doing
- [31:10]
B
this because I know they want us to have.
- [31:13]
A
This is a gang. It's the gang mentality. They know they got us. Look, I stabbed a person to get in on the Apple gang. Who didn't? I shiv'd them good. That's what Steve Jobs told me I had to do if I wanted them blue texts. And I said, anything? Absolutely. Robbery and fraud. So he tells the whole table that was the State Department and they are checking in on me. I have a computer chip in my neck, so they always know where I am. At which point his business partner Carl Williamson says, I have a chip in my neck as well. And then points to some random person in the the restaurant and says, see that guy right there? He's the Secret Service. So I googled like chips in the neck to see if chips in the neck are a thing. And there's like maybe a hundred thousand people who have, like a digital chip, like, installed to them. They do it in, like, dolphins, and they do it in, like, other animals and farm livestock to keep track of them. But some people have, like, opted to try to put a chip in their body and see, like, what that's about.
- [32:15]
B
I'm okay.
- [32:16]
A
You don't want a chip?
- [32:17]
B
No. Nope.
- [32:18]
A
That's the new thing.
- [32:19]
B
Nope.
- [32:19]
A
Like, we want full black mirror.
- [32:21]
B
Yes. I don't wanna chip. I don't wanna be found at all times.
- [32:24]
A
I don't know. I feel like that's real love. I feel like if I get married to somebody, we gotta get chipped or they gotta get chipped, at least.
- [32:32]
B
Not me.
- [32:33]
A
If you always gonna be where you at, then I ain't gotta check on your chip. So what's good?
- [32:36]
B
Your iPhone might as well be a chip, right?
- [32:39]
A
That's true. You can do find my iPhone, but then you also can turn that shit off or leave it somewhere. But you can't turn a chip off. But you gonna rip that shit out your neck.
- [32:45]
B
That's true. True. Okay. I don't believe in it.
- [32:48]
A
That's true love and commitment.
- [32:50]
B
I do not like the chip life.
- [32:51]
A
Let me put a chip in you. If you're listening and you wanna be my boo Let me put a chip in.
- [32:57]
B
Let me get that chip.
- [32:58]
A
I don't even like keeping tabs on people like that. But it would be fun to just see how far someone would go for my love. This is why I don't got no man or a woman. Anyway. So they say they're both chips, and then they point to some random ass dude in the restaurant and, like, see him, he working for us, and it's like, how do you dispute that? Are they gonna walk up to that person, Secret Service. They could just say no and be lying. Or this could be another backstage actor. I'm not exactly sure we need to put my man's in the guild, though. He needs to be in the union because he's employing us. So eventually, the software team contacted DC Page, a former federal agent who specializes in providing business intelligence. When Paige emailed a friend who is a member of the Saudi royal family and asked if Anthony was really a prince, he got a two word response no and then a capital no exclamation point. Why does it feel like they should have did that in the first place?
- [33:51]
B
Right. Why did they call after the first suspicion?
- [33:55]
A
Like, when you saw my man's chomping
- [33:56]
B
down on the pork. Come on.
- [34:00]
A
When you saw my man eating the sausage links, the porks and the pork chops, that wasn't like, let's just call. That's one phone call. I guess it's probably not easy to actually call the royal family, but there's also Internet. Yeah, we got a whole world wide web. Yeah. So this, this seems silly to me. So Paige also went on Google. Duh. To research the diplomatic license plate on Anthony's Ferrari. He said, I got a pop up to buy the exact same license plate on eBay for $79. Which is in fact exactly where Anthony bought this. Anthony went on ebay and was like, diplomatic plate and then put them shits on his car.
- [34:44]
B
That's great. I'm glad he never got put on by the police though.
- [34:47]
A
Right.
- [34:48]
B
Cause if they run those plates, what's gonna happen?
- [34:50]
A
Exactly. And also I'm surprised he didn't get put over by the police because he is variously brown.
- [34:55]
B
Yes.
- [34:55]
A
And driving a nice car.
- [34:56]
B
These feel like plenty of nice cars.
- [34:58]
A
Maybe he wasn't driving a car. Maybe his backstage actors were.
- [35:02]
B
Yeah.
- [35:03]
A
Because you know if you're gonna have a good scam, you gotta get at least one white man involved. If you are a person of color. To be the face of the scam while you do the schemes in the background. Yes. Because we. They looking for us. Yeah, yeah. So you're right. Like that's a little too obvious. Also, ebay. What the. Like, if you're gonna sell diplomatic license plates, can you like vary them up? You selling the same exact plate with the same exact letters and numbers to everybody. That's not right. That's not. That's not how we scam. I don't like it. You gotta have some integrity. So Aegis discuss what he gets for
- [35:34]
B
doing the first search. Right. Because obviously he picked Google and just hit the first head.
- [35:40]
A
The. You got to go down the O. You right. You got to go at least 19 O's down. When you doing crime.
- [35:45]
B
Yeah.
- [35:45]
A
Damn. It came up on the popup page.
- [35:48]
B
Right?
- [35:48]
A
That's.
- [35:49]
B
That's lazy, cuz nobody ever goes past the first page. They always do it add a different word.
- [35:53]
A
Right, Exactly.
- [35:55]
B
Everyone does search like page two. I'm like, oh, let me type these words different.
- [35:59]
A
I'm trying to think. The last time I went page seven on a Google.
- [36:01]
B
Right? Never.
- [36:03]
A
Never. Yeah. My man's. Come on. Now, Anthony, also, you've been in the industry for 30 years. These seem like rookie mistakes. So HS discovered by this point, Anthony had allegedly bilked investors out of almost $8 million in fraudulent friends and family, pre offerings. What I tell y' all about pre reimbursement? I don't do reimbursement. I do pre embursement. Give me the money up front. So he getting these pre offers of what promised to be the biggest IPO in history, the initial public offering of Aramco, the Saudi oil giant. So he's over here telling people that he is to get the oil popping. And nothing makes an American rock harder than oil.
- [36:42]
B
The oil's popping. They love it popping.
- [36:45]
A
I honestly think them Don commercials where they was rubbing that oil off them little birds. People are horny for those.
- [36:51]
B
Please.
- [36:53]
A
I don't think they got the effect they wanted to. They were like, ooh, you know what I mean? Stop running those ads. Also, how y' all pull up on the birds at just the right time to get them all oiled up like that? I feel like they was putting oil on them birds and washing it off with Don. Don, I'm trying to see something. Tweet me if you work for Dawn.
- [37:12]
B
Advertisement the scam.
- [37:14]
A
I think they put that oil on them birds.
- [37:16]
B
Yeah. If you work with Don, write in a letter. You will be anonymous.
- [37:20]
A
Yes, you will be anonymous.
- [37:21]
B
Don't send it from your work email.
- [37:23]
A
Do. So. Agents discovered that Anthony was not only impersonating this diplomat, but also traveling on somebody else's plan. Passport. The confidence. I feel like you have to be a person of color to do this, because they think we all look alike. But then, wait a minute.
- [37:43]
B
But also, whose passport? Because, like, if you're traveling with him, wouldn't you notice that's not your name?
- [37:50]
A
Right.
- [37:50]
B
Prince. And they'd be like, hella like saying your names at the airport, too.
- [37:55]
A
They say it loud and proud. They put your government off.
- [37:58]
B
Thank you, Ira.
- [38:01]
A
But you know what?
- [38:02]
B
Okay. Can I board this Delta flight exactly
- [38:04]
A
like y' all pressed? Come on, now. Also, you just brought up a good point. They say your name at the airport. And who mostly works at tsa?
- [38:10]
B
Black people.
- [38:11]
A
Exactly.
- [38:12]
B
Yeah.
- [38:12]
A
So they would have been able to
- [38:13]
B
n. That wasn't him.
- [38:15]
A
But wait a minute. Maybe he was traveling. I just learned about the rich people airport.
- [38:19]
B
Yeah.
- [38:19]
A
That were a mile away. And they don't do all that. That's probably where he was traveling, because that's how the little rappers be. Getting all the coding and weeds on a plane.
- [38:26]
B
Yeah.
- [38:29]
A
So maybe he could get away with traveling for somebody else's passport for this long. So they started tracking him on his far flung route from Dubai to Hong Kong to London and arrested him when he landed in JFK Airport carrying a sizable amount of cash, Schaer was among 26 of the victims across the globe who. Anthony stole millions of dollars. So he had millions. But you know what? He was keeping up a millionaire lifestyle. So that money is probably flowing out like water. Cause I feel like at 8 million, I'm gonna sit down.
- [38:56]
B
The money comes in, the money goes out.
- [38:58]
A
You right? I feel like I would just be Anthony at that point. But you know what? This life is pretty cushy. I get it. Anthony. If I was traveling like Kylie Jenner, like, it might be hard to quit. So he was sentenced to more than 18 years in prison, which pisses me off, because all he did was rob rich people. And I'm like, amber Guyger, who shot a black man in his own home, got 10 years in prison, but this guy gets 18, right?
- [39:19]
B
Robbing rich people. They deserve it.
- [39:21]
A
Which. And also they're the people who have so much.
- [39:23]
B
That's Elizabeth Warren's plan. Okay? He was the first wave.
- [39:31]
A
Elizabeth Warren is going to pull a lick on rich people.
- [39:34]
B
Okay. Anthony Moreno, Okay. That's where she learned it from.
- [39:38]
A
Okay? The box. Elizabeth Warren, thug life. Okay? So in a 1991 article in the Los Angeles Times called him the Princess of fraud. In 1991, he was called the Prince of Fraud. Mind you, he been out here frauding up until at least 2017. How are you the Prince of Fraud in 91? That would make him. That would. 26 years.
- [40:08]
B
Did they have his real name in 91?
- [40:11]
A
Obviously, his government don't matter because I done gave him three names since we've been here. So he was like, that's fine. I'll get a new name. So he was arrested at that time in 91 for flaking on $10,000 in bills from a limousine company and from the Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel. And that's.
- [40:29]
B
See, they let him stay at another Regent also. Stop staying at the Regent.
- [40:34]
A
Y' all don't got.
- [40:34]
B
Maybe he knows that it's easy to scam the Regent. And we thought they were classy, Right?
- [40:38]
A
They must have lots of ins and outs and holds. Yeah. I've worked at nice hotels, and it's not as nice on the back of the house as you think it is. Like, it's still a shit show, like, every other bit. Also, I'm like, y' all don't got a picture of my man's up. I feel like if he scammed out of $10,000 every region, and it should just be in the corner, like, Yes. Y' all should age him up like a missing child. This is what we think he look like now we use the forensics.
- [41:00]
B
Don't let him in.
- [41:03]
A
Like, I can't believe y' all let him get y'.
- [41:04]
B
All. He looks so young too.
- [41:06]
A
He does. He still looks very young. He does skin look. I didn't know skin could be Colombian skin. Yep, exactly. Scamming could keep you so youthful. Guys do a scam, you know, keep that. That's my anti aging. That's my moisturizer robbery.
- [41:19]
B
Yes.
- [41:20]
A
Wrinkle free. But so the other thing that is always crazy to me about this is like when I go to a hotel, they shake my ass down. They want a credit card.
- [41:28]
B
They want a credit card. They want. They want. Especially if you're in another country and you find like, what's the passport?
- [41:34]
A
And they're not even. It's not just they want a credit card. They're good to bill you. They're going to go ahead and charge and hold you for at least $300 to make sure you got it. Yes, that's how they treat the regular folks. But you got a $10,000 bill and no, they had no way of finding you. Yeah, that's crazy. But this is what they do for rich people. Like, they think like, oh, they have it. So we're going to give it to them. So this was in 91. In his latest scheme, a US district judge imposed a fairly heavy sentence, calling his crimes truly remarkable, which sounds to me like prayer.
- [42:07]
B
Judge was impressed.
- [42:09]
A
He was like, you know what? I am gonna have to send you to jail, but shout out to a king, which I love. So he had a public defender representing him, which I'm like, Bruh, you had $8 million and you don't have enough money to get you a real lawyer. You got the public defender with a stack of court cases and he don't know your name.
- [42:27]
B
Cause he knew he wouldn't get paid.
- [42:29]
A
True. Damn. He had a sweaty lawyer. And his sweaty.
- [42:32]
B
Hey, would you take that case? I knew I wouldn't see my money.
- [42:37]
A
Big facts. Because the whole case is about how you don't pay nobody.
- [42:39]
B
Yes.
- [42:40]
A
Yeah, I would just want my retainer up front. This a high profile case. I would have took this.
- [42:44]
B
The government froze it.
- [42:46]
A
I would have conquering this out of this case. Yo, I'm like, the dog collar don't fit. You must acquit, right?
- [42:55]
B
I. I sure would have been like, now you saw him eating the pork. Why didn't you do something to that right?
- [43:01]
A
I'd be like, you wanted.
- [43:03]
B
You wanted to be scammed.
- [43:04]
A
Y' all had a relationship, didn't you? I be making up all types of shit.
- [43:07]
B
Prison Fraud, 1991. You don't know how to Google.
- [43:10]
A
Exactly. Also, this is wild to me because. Just a public defense, like, you couldn't get nobody. You got homie in a suit from Men's Warehouse defending you when you stole millions of dollars from very, very rich, powerful people.
- [43:22]
B
They could have been, like, someone doing pro bono, though, you know?
- [43:25]
A
I hope so.
- [43:26]
B
I don't know. Like, wasn't Annalise Keaton doing public defender last season? I don'.
- [43:31]
A
He had Annalise limping up into the courtroom with that little heavy walk. Okay? He would have got right on off.
- [43:38]
B
So my client. My client didn't do that, you, Honor. Me trying to do my. Viola, I'm leaving. I've been standing here with you, Troy.
- [43:55]
A
I'm leaving. I'm sorry. I'm packing up my things and I'm going. The podcast is over. It's scary, that's all. Viola, don't kill us, okay? I still. I wanna cross knot with you, queen. Don't kill us. We love you. So. Honestly, if Viola was, you know, doing the case, he could have murdered a couple people, too.
- [44:14]
B
Treasure this. To my client. Your Honor,
- [44:20]
A
my hands are in my face. I can't. So the entire blame of this operation is on me, and I accept that. Said Anthony, at his sentencing, insist I am not a monster. I don't think you're a monster, Anthony.
- [44:36]
B
I agree.
- [44:37]
A
I think that you were living the life that you deserve to live.
- [44:41]
B
We all deserve.
- [44:42]
A
We all deserve.
- [44:43]
B
Yes.
- [44:43]
A
And you were just bold enough to do so. So you know what?
- [44:46]
B
Free college, free diamond collars for all.
- [44:50]
A
That's Bernie's slogan, right?
- [44:51]
B
Yes, that's Bernie's.
- [44:53]
A
If you want to pitch.
- [44:53]
B
It's so hard to pitch, you know, it's so hard to pick Bernie Warren closer together. They both learned from Anthony Moret.
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A
Exactly. Which I love. Guys. Anthony, I hope you can hear us in the clink.
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B
I hope, right? If you could hear us in the clink. Get back on the gram.
- [45:11]
A
Get back on the gram. Cause you're fans.
- [45:12]
B
We want to see the fit.
- [45:14]
A
Give us a look.
- [45:15]
B
You know he's scamming in the clink, too.
- [45:17]
A
He has to be.
- [45:18]
B
He has to be scamming.
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A
Yes, I'm sure he's in there still trying to flex his rich Persona.
- [45:22]
B
Yeah, it's wearing Gucci prints. Yeah.
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A
They're like, sir, you can't Wear. It's just a prison uniform. Selling Gucci all over, sir. Man, y' all need to free my. When is Anthony's appeal date? When do we go to appellate court? Cause I'm gonna be out in front with my son, trying to free my
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B
man, saying he did what he had
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A
to do to survive. Yes, survival meant a private jet and diamond and crested collars. It means something different to everybody. Shout out to a king. We love you, Anthony. And in the honor of hotel scams, I'm gonna give y' all one more listener letter. Cause our hoodwink was a little short. And I know y' all be mad. If these aren't under an hour. They be mad at me, y'. All. This is free. They be emailing me and writing me and DMing me.
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B
Really, Jill?
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A
Yeah. I feel like I'm starting to be a slave. I started this in my own volition.
- [46:15]
B
I hate slavery.
- [46:16]
A
I hate slavery. That is my favorite gift. I use it all the time. Issaray, you're a queen. So disclaimer. I still work for this company, just in a different capacity. Open. Okay. So they also have asked that we use the name Clyde. Okay. So they said, hi. Hi, Lacey. Here's the scam. I'm skipping the nice stuff, Clyde, but thank you. I used to work in a hotel in the front desk as a supervisor. One of the front desk incentives was for every guest we would enroll in the royalty program. We would receive 50 loyalty points to our account. So if they could get somebody in the loyalty program, they got a kickback.
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B
I know where this going,
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A
Ira. True scammer. The catch was it had to be a valid enrollment, a new enrollment, including a street address, an email, and it had to be consented by the guest. This is important because I broke all these rules. All right, Clyde. So I started off by just enrolling people with no email address. My manager found out and said my enrollments were flagged for the next month and to be careful. This made me nervous, so I started enrolling them with a letter or an added number in the email so they didn't know they were being enrolled. So when your manager said, be careful, you didn't take that as quit. You was like. Like our man's earlier, Anthony. You were like, what exactly did I do wrong? Okay. Okay. Emails. Okay, I'll add that. Then I started enrolling guests and changing one or two numbers of their address. So, like, 7737 Main became 7733 Main Street. Okay. I got caught by a guest, but I denied it. I realized that if I asked the guests and they said no, but I found an old account for them, they would accept the enrollment, so. So if these people said no, you would just go dig into their business and find an old account, sir. So he said, I started telling people, oh, it looks like you had an account previously, but it expired. I'll just reactivate it with this reservation. So he would just do this every time and just make a new account and double time these people. So he said he averaged an extra $150 a month. Month for three years. And he had enough points to go on a two week long vacation to the beach with his family in a resort where the average day was $300 a night for free.
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B
Now, they didn't have to pay for these.
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A
So this is the part. He was the number one royalty in the.
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B
They didn't have to pay for these.
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A
This is true. Who got hurt here?
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B
Nobody.
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A
Nobody.
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B
Nobody.
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A
Yeah. I mean, honestly, this is.
- [48:50]
B
Maybe the. Maybe the person who he was competing against was number two. They probably pissed.
- [48:55]
A
Imagine some honest, hard working person, right?
- [48:57]
B
They're number two. They're mad.
- [48:59]
A
Really slanging these in world fans, life is not fair. And if you want to get ahead, charge $12 for the drink, right? So you know what?
- [49:07]
B
They made it a game, so of course people were gonna play it.
- [49:11]
A
Exactly.
- [49:12]
B
Your Honor, my client was just playing the game.
- [49:16]
A
Annalise comes back to defend this man. She limps in. It's the slowest walk down the courtroom aisle you've ever seen. Violet's walk is just like the.
- [49:27]
B
Like, truly, truly. Like, I want to talk about the day that she decided to give her character that lip, right? Like, she was on set. Like, I think Annalise was her lip.
- [49:37]
A
This is an acting choice. Look, I'll just say that no one has ever personified the tiredness of the black woman in society than Annalise Keating. Annelise Keating.
- [49:48]
B
Is she tired?
- [49:49]
A
She's so tired.
- [49:50]
B
She's tired.
- [49:52]
A
Oh, I love it. Well, I wanted to mention that one just because we're talking about hotels, and I think that people think, like, hotels are organized and, like, you're staying at this place. No, it's a shit show back then.
- [50:02]
B
They never are. How many times do I ask for early check in at the Standard? And they're always like, oh, well, you know, it's not guaranteed, but you can ask for it.
- [50:10]
A
I'm like, sure, you can always get it. Early check in, late checkout. I have also learned if you call for late Checkout. And they're like, I'm sorry, we can't offer it today. Just stay in your room. What they gonna do, right? Who gonna check me, boo.
- [50:24]
B
Right?
- [50:24]
A
I'm gonna stay here. You know what the lady gonna do? She gonna go, hello.
- [50:28]
B
Yeah.
- [50:28]
A
And you gonna go, no.
- [50:29]
B
Yeah, yeah, right. Come there to clean. I'm like, oh, it's okay. No late check out. Bye.
- [50:36]
A
Yeah, you just say late check out to the cleaning people. Cause that's literally all it is, is like they are trying to get the room turned over so they can get somebody else in. But if you need to late check out and so does everybody else, guess what? Just stay there.
- [50:47]
B
Yeah.
- [50:48]
A
What they do gonna to do? Some people, like, I guess maybe charge a fee, but I haven't even seen that. I've never been charged a fee. If someone said there was no more late checkout. And I just stayed in my room. Try it. So, guys, it's time for the last segment of the show. And then I have to let Ira go. It's so sad. This has been wonderful. This is our first time meeting is in this studio.
- [51:08]
B
I know.
- [51:08]
A
And I feel like I like know you. This is like, you're so cool.
- [51:11]
B
We're here.
- [51:11]
A
Good vibes. So scammer of the the week is Payless. I just want to shout out to Payless.
- [51:18]
B
They still around child.
- [51:20]
A
I guess this is their attempt to come back into relevancy. And I Stan Bogo. More like bogus. But you know what? I love it. Payless is a brand known for budget friendly shoes. That is a nice way to put it because when I.
- [51:36]
B
That is a very nice. Right.
- [51:38]
A
It was Payless shoes have not grip. You won't fall and bust your lip. Did you ever hear that as a kid?
- [51:44]
B
I did not. But I sure know that we did not want to be caught with no pay less shoes.
- [51:49]
A
No. Why pay more?
- [51:50]
B
Yes.
- [51:51]
A
When you can pay less
- [51:54]
B
Dress shoes, though. You always got the dress shoes.
- [51:56]
A
Oh, yeah. I mean, come on. Easter Sunday popping. Okay, so they're known for.
- [52:02]
B
They're so disorganized. By the way, I went in one like three a few years ago. Yes. When I was living on the Easter died. When I was broke. I was just tried to go up into one. I was like, y' all don't even have my size. They're disorganized. There's nobody working in the store.
- [52:14]
A
The shoes sell themselves. Honestly, I don't know if I've ever had anybody when I've gone into a Payless. The times that I Can remember. I don't think anybody ever helped.
- [52:24]
B
No, they're just like, go ahead.
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A
You know what a. You know what a Payless is? It's like the back stock room of any other store. But they were like, let's just put this shit in the front.
- [52:34]
B
Fuck. Because it's just Find it yourself.
- [52:37]
A
Find it yourself of boxes of shoes. And I remember climbing. They had the ladders in there, but they put a mirror on it to be like, oh, this is so you can look at your foot. But really, it's so you could climb your bitch ass up and get the shoes yourself. It's so trifling. So the Payless store in Los Angeles, in a mall, invited influencers to their grand opening. The store was stocked with Payless shoes. Shoes in disguise.
- [53:01]
B
Oh, I remember this scam.
- [53:03]
A
Yes. The girls were mad on Twitter.
- [53:05]
B
They were. They're very mad upset.
- [53:08]
A
So one of the influencers said, I would pay 400 or $500 for these shoes. And she's holding up a pair of 19.99 sneakers. Another shopper calls the Payless store elegant and sophisticated. Because, mind you, they didn't call the store Payless. They called it Pelezi, which nobody thought that sounded a lot like Payless shoes.
- [53:30]
B
Right. Also, like, Payless shoes still look like Pela shoes. I'm sorry. Like, I'm sure they look fine, but I'm like, I would look at it and be like this.
- [53:37]
A
No, that leather, it's dull. It's very dull. Or it's too shiny. Yes, it's one or the other. It's definitely. I've never seen a Paylos shoe and been like that. I'm shocked. Yeah. And I feel like I could see them out in the wild.
- [53:52]
B
Right.
- [53:53]
A
This is fascinating to me.
- [53:54]
B
Didn't Google the brand. I don't know. Every time I see a brand I don't know in the store, I'm good. Oh, what's this?
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A
I'm like, who is in this?
- [54:01]
B
Who rocks it?
- [54:02]
A
Who's in the drip? Right? Exactly.
- [54:03]
B
Right. You need to see who. Who wears that kind of brand. Because, like, you don't want to be, like, wearing something and then you, like. I don't know.
- [54:09]
A
Right. Well, one, I need to know if the Nazis are in it.
- [54:11]
B
Right. Need to know if the Nazis.
- [54:13]
A
Step one, is David Duke in this drip.
- [54:16]
B
Need to know if, like, Lena Dunham is a brand ambassador or. You just gotta know. You gotta protect yourself.
- [54:21]
A
You do need to protect yourself. So I guess nobody. But you know what? When someone offers you a coin and Is like, show up to this event, especially when you're an influencer. Your whole hustle is just getting coins off your followers, of course. So I feel like influencers aren't really caring about what the product is. Cuz, I mean, look at flat tummy tea. Like, that's shit soup. It literally is a drink that makes you poop. But listen, if they offer $50,000, I'm. I'm be sipping on it on my Instagram.
- [54:49]
B
Listen, you already had Jamila on your podcast. She see you sign Fly to wt. It's over. It's over. She know how to find you. She know how to find you. It's over.
- [55:02]
A
Although I would love.
- [55:03]
B
She'll tell Earwolf. Cancel that podcast.
- [55:05]
A
I show up all my podcasts. I show up. All my shit is in a box in the corner.
- [55:10]
B
Cut the podcast. Dead ass.
- [55:12]
A
They literally. They literally cut the cord to my microphone as I'm talking. Somebody just comes in here and start cutting this shit. Jamila said we gotta cancel your ass.
- [55:22]
B
We selling no flat tummy tea.
- [55:24]
A
You know, I love to curl up with a good book and a hot cup of flat tummy tea.
- [55:29]
B
Your Honor, my client was selling fraudulent tea.
- [55:32]
A
I'm hiring you to be my Annalise Keating in the court of public opinion. Okay? You better show up and you better limp ira. This is what I paid for. You better have just asked to pop off.
- [55:42]
B
I've been waiting. I've been waiting all my life to limp into a courtroom.
- [55:46]
A
You better be freshly drunk, off vodka.
- [55:48]
B
Yes. Always on the verge of being disbarred.
- [55:54]
A
That's how I like my lawyers. Okay? You have a little sex in the chambers with your sexy black cop man and then come in drunk. God. Oh, I remember those scenes. Remember when Viola Davis was having sex with that man on tv? I had to watch my aunt. Ooh, he's very fine in person, too. I had to watch my auntie get her box ate. That was challenging, but I appreciated it. Viola. So back to these influences. Influencers. So a shopper gassed in diesel. I'm sorry? A shopper gasped in disbelief when the secret was revealed. Shut up. Are you serious? She says about 80 influencers who attended this over two nights were in complete shocked, shocked shock when they realized that these were Payless shoes. Mind you, this is after they've shelled out about $3,000 in purchases. So they invited these influencers, paid them to show up, and then the influencers bought the pay lesi sho.
- [56:50]
B
Mm.
- [56:52]
A
First of all, if I show up and I'M being paid to be there. I'm not gonna buy nothing.
- [56:56]
B
Where's the free merch?
- [56:57]
A
Yeah, you giving free merch? I'm gonna put the shoe on my foot. And for a photo I have now paid for the shoe. I don't know what this is. So One shopper spent $640 on a pair of boots, which represented a 1,800% markup from the cost of the actual shoe.
- [57:15]
B
Yeah, you're not inviting me to something, having me pay $640.
- [57:21]
A
So here's the thing. I know that there's some that, like, they put a brand on it and now it's more expensive, but it's made in the same factory as cheap shit. But I can tell a cheap shoe from an expensive shoe to a certain degree. Like, I feel like when you get into the, like, mid level. Yeah. Like a Yeezy is cheaper than a Balenciaga. But if you're looking at them, they're both made pretty well. But I feel like a boot. Like, come on. So sis. So Payless returned their money and let them keep the shoes. So it was like a little trick. So they made them pay for it and then was like, haha, look, see, our shit is nice. And then gave them their money back, which is nice. I would have kept the money. Payless, how well are y' all doing?
- [58:00]
B
Right?
- [58:00]
A
I feel like y' all need that money.
- [58:01]
B
Keep the money. But also was this ad, I guess the advertisers that like, oh, our shoes look so good. You think they're designer, right?
- [58:09]
A
Yeah, that's really.
- [58:10]
B
This. The thing is, this is like you just scammed.
- [58:13]
A
Yeah.
- [58:13]
B
And then I'd be like, okay, why don't y' all open Plezi?
- [58:17]
A
Maybe you should.
- [58:17]
B
Yeah, do Plesi open Plezi?
- [58:19]
A
Yeah, stop doing Payless and do Plesi. Cause I think we like Plezi better. Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's the moral of the story. But Payless was like, no, no, no, no. We gonna take this Plesi sign down and put back up the Payless sign.
- [58:30]
B
Right.
- [58:31]
A
So the campaign plays off the ignorance discrepancy, and it aimed to remind consumers that there's still a relevant place to shop for affordable fashion.
- [58:41]
B
Just pay influencers to wear Payless and influence Instagram.
- [58:44]
A
That would have been simpler, Right?
- [58:47]
B
Have some real, like, fly shoes and then, like, on someone's Instagram, you know, get like. Get like a little. Get like a little Tyler Oakley in, like, some shoes.
- [58:56]
A
Yeah. You know, get your girl Billie Eilish.
- [58:58]
B
Yes.
- [58:59]
A
In a Pay Less drip.
- [59:00]
B
Gigi. You know, Gigi, like, something that looks real cute and it's like, oh, this is for Payless.
- [59:07]
A
Right. Get the Kardashians and pay. Then the girls will get it and the girls will comp. Yes. Also, I mean, the Kardashians literally brought Fendi back to life. They gave Fendi CPR on the table, and now people are wearing the Fs again.
- [59:18]
B
Yeah. Fendi Prince on.
- [59:21]
A
And Nikki, I want her collection. The capsule. It's really cute. It's a little ratchet, too. I was like, yes. She was like, I want something I could wear in a hood and I could also wear to a nice event. And then I saw it and I was like, okay, I could definitely wear it in the.
- [59:34]
B
Yes.
- [59:36]
A
I love it.
- [59:36]
B
To an Emmy's party.
- [59:41]
A
I don't know if I can wear the Gibonuch caps off Fendi to an Emmy's party. All right, I certainly would try.
- [59:46]
B
Where that plastic dress?
- [59:49]
A
Guys, y' all love scrolling my Instagram for an old favorite. Find the plastic dress.
- [59:55]
B
Find the plastic dress. I want to see the plastic dress.
- [59:59]
A
It's on there. Along with that scam magazine article that y' all found. I told them I did Voyage la. Have you heard of that?
- [60:04]
B
No.
- [60:04]
A
Oh, it's a scam magazine where you. They scam you into giving them the information of you and 10 friends to say they're going to write an article about you online, but you write the article yourself, and then they post it online. And you act like you was in a magazine, but you was never in a magazine.
- [60:16]
B
Oh, my God.
- [60:17]
A
And I posted this on my Instagram. And then people found it. They found it and they were like, damn, sis is still up. I was like, I live in my scams. I live in my truth. I'm proud of my scams. So y' all find that plastic dress, and there's a picture of me holding some Emmys from some white men's that I took. So. So enjoy.
- [60:32]
B
Hold them. Game of Thrones Emmys.
- [60:34]
A
I'm gonna get my own one day. So, guys, that brings us to the end of the podcast. And, Ira, where do you wanna be found? That's what I ask people.
- [60:43]
B
In conclusion, you can find me in the courtroom defending justice. Yes. You can find me on Twitter. Ira scammed that three letter name.
- [60:55]
A
That is a fantastic Twitter name. And your Twitter's so good. It's so entertaining.
- [60:59]
B
Thank you. I tried to be more entertaining for the girls. You know, for a minute it was like it was 2016. It was very serious.
- [61:05]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [61:05]
B
Still got to talk about politics sometimes, because the streets are wild. But, you know, like, I just try and tweet stuff that's funny to me now and, like, wild. Cause I don't need the girls, like, in my men's house being, like, actually. Or just, like, starting fights with me. I'm like, I don't want fights anymore.
- [61:21]
A
Exactly. Also, you're not paying me. You fighting with an Abby with no photo.
- [61:24]
B
Right. If I tweet something that you can earnestly reply to, like, that I'm doing my job wrong enough.
- [61:29]
A
Right. Like, but we can have a. We can talk for fun. But, yeah, I don't want to. Please don't come over here with your nonsense. But wait, you were talking about the circle on Twitter recently.
- [61:37]
B
Yes, I love the circle.
- [61:39]
A
I finished the circle, so I won't give you any spoilers.
- [61:42]
B
Yes.
- [61:42]
A
But, guys, if you want something to watch that literally is just like little lab rats in a cage and it's pointless and your mind will just be free of impending doom.
- [61:53]
B
Got to watch the circle. Watch the circle get up in that.
- [61:56]
A
And there's some scammers on the circle. And that's why I like the circle, too.
- [61:58]
B
Yes, yes, yes.
- [62:00]
A
Well, guys, as always, you can find us@scamgoddesspodmail.com. please email us your cons and your frauds if you haven't heard your con or fraud on the show. So it's still gonna happen. Guys, I promise you that is not a scam. You can find me at D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms and scam. Got his pod on Instagram and Twitter. Congregation, stay scheming.