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Scams C. Robbery and fraud. Scam. Cause robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. Guys, what's poppin Congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess. AKA Lacey Mosley. And we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess. I try to give you something a little different. Was that different? Did y' all like that? I don't know. Hey, y'. All. So what are we saying? What are we saying? All together in your radios and your cars, in your bathtubs, avoiding your children. What are we saying? I'm very. What? Yes, I'm very excited for today's guest, and I am. Oh, my God. This is the homie Bro. Like, are you watching tv? Because if you are, you've seen him. Are you a Grayson Frankie fan? Do you have Netflix? Do you steal it with your family, as I do? Because I have a family Netflix. Netflix account. And I am in my late 20s. Guys, he has a new podcast. Very popping, very funny, very talented. His podcast is called Self Quar. Like self care, but self quar, like quarantine. Okay, get into it. Guys. We have Baron Vaughn.
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B
Hey, Lacy. What's up?
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Hi. We've been talking, but we can pretend like we hadn't been talking.
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B
We can pretend like not. They had the. The audience has not heard us talk talk, but we have been talking, which I'm happy because, you know, I'm, I'm happy to see you. You know, see you with quotation marks. Right? Just. I've met you in a weird way, but I'm, I'm so happy that I know you, and I've been following you, and you're just doing. Doing the things out there, so.
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Following you too. I, I, we met in a way that maybe you guys will never understand or find out about, but we met at work. Let's call it work. And you're just, you're speaking spirit, your energy, you trying to get me a boyfriend immediately. I was like, I love him. I love him because I do need a boyfriend. It's time. Or a girlfriend. I don't know. Just a person. It's time.
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B
Well, you know, I, I, I saw. I saw a quality human being. And, And I know you're a comedian like myself, and I was like, when she's at home, though, like, when she's by herself, though, is there someone for her? You know? But I saw. That's what I feel like I need
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a boyfriend, but I also feel like I really need an assistant. And I'm like, am I confusing the two?
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B
Because I'm like, I have been. I Have been a boyfriend to people who thought that's what that meant before. Like. Like, did you get the flowers? Yes. Did you get the shoes? Yes, I did. Okay.
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And so did you get my dry clean? Also, did you check my emails? I love you, Give me penis. Like sometimes.
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I love you. Give me penis on a T shirt. Put that on a T shirt.
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That's my new merch. I love you, give me pen. No, no, no, no. Guys. So wait, Baron, do you have any relationship with scams? That's the one thing I didn't prep you for before we started. Have you ever been scammed? Are you a scammer? Do you think you're a mark? Like, what's up? Cause I'm both. I'm bi. Like, I'm a scammer and I'm a mark.
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B
This is. I'm a. I'm. I've been a mark. But the scam is I have been scammed. Which is how I learned I was a mark. And then I learned I was a mark my entire life. This is why people don't. So that's why people meet me and they don't understand me. Because people who are like me and grew up where I grew up, you know, usually don't make it so they're like, oh, you're alive. And it's kind of like, yeah, that's right. It's what happens if you stay inside.
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So gang, gang inside. Gang, gang, gang.
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B
But I have. I have been scammed. I had a business manager who stole $30,000 from me.
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Oh, my God. You got Rihanna Ed. Oh, no.
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Got embezzled from. I got Rihanna Ed. Yeah. And I was like, I don't wanna work. I just didn't wanna have to. I filed a police report.
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That's what bitch better have my money is about because she got robbed by her business manager. Bitch better have my money. Because bitch had her money and actually should not have had it. She was like, oh, bitch, can you give it back?
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B
But that happens, you know, and I.
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Because of my Baron, how they do it?
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Well, you know, and the reason I was a mark is because, you know, and this is what. What, what it woke me to is my issues with money, my insecurity about knowing how to handle my finances, me not wanting to actually deal with it because it seem hard, you know, So I just trusted a dude blindly, like a dumbass. And he stole a lot of money from me. And then after I, you know, fired him and he never gave me anything back. And I looked at. And I got the bank Accounts, and I was on.
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And sue him. You didn't take him to people's court. I'd be like. Like, you guys just getting risk a heart attack on that. You can't let him go.
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You think he's walking down the damn street with his dog? No, the man is gone. You know, with the.
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Was he a business manager, or was this just a. Who showed up and was like, let me manage your business?
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B
Well, that's a different thing, because I wonder if the dude who introduced me to him was part of the scam or was also scammed. Yes, exactly. Because it was like I was making money, and I wanted to do. Do it blackly. You know what I mean? I wanted to stay black. So a black man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was black. He was black. And it was a black man who I knew who worked in accounting and finance, who I knew for a few years, who referenced me to this dude. But that's how these guys. Because my lawyer was about to do it because he's like, you like, working with him because. Because people try to get each other work, you know, if. If you're with, you know, the crew.
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Yeah. That's how I got my first accountant, who I hate. And I'm late on my taxes. I'm probably gonna get less Wesley Snipe. I got him from my goddamn lawyer, and he's terrible. I thought the nigga was de. Because I could not reach him. Like, I thought he was dead. I googled his name, and another CPA with the same name, it was like, that died. So I was like, oh, my God. That's why he ain't returned my. Cause the dead. And then I found out he wasn't dead. And I was like, what's happening? Y' all about to lure and heal me.
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B
I love that you're still there. Emotionally, I am, but go.
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Continue.
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B
No, and that's what it was. It was kind of like, you know, I. I trusted a dude. I was. I was like, had to be working with someone who's black, you know, And.
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And you try to do black owned. You said black lives matter.
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No, I. I seriously did. It was literally like, I'm doing black business. It literally. That was important.
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That's how he scammed you. You have to watch out for as well. Okay? The shot. The Sean King of it all.
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B
And here's the thing. This is what I should have done. Vetted the. Like. It's like, I. I just took. I just took a word, and I should have ref. I should have, you know, checked his references. And all that, But I was so excited at the time, and money was for me, you know what I mean? I did not grow up with money. So this is why I have all these insecurities in the first place, right? So being able to be like, oh, I'm making enough money that I can pay someone to think about it for me, seemed like that was a I have arrived kind of thing. But it's exactly the shit. That is why I was a mark, because I. I didn't handle my business. You know what I mean? You always have to know. For real.
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My mother always said, you're never big enough to not sign your own checks.
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B
Oh, that's a great one. That's a great one. And my mother told me, don't answer, don't answer. That's a bill collector. So, like, it's. It's, you know, different folks, different strokes.
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She had all the bill collectors saved in her phone. Like, she don't talk to no more.
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This is me aging myself. I'm like, no, no, we had landlines. That's what we had.
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Listen, I remember a landline. I remember landlines. I. I remember. I remember a boy calling me in high school, and his voice was too deep, so my parents would never let me talk to him. They were like, that's a grown ass nigga we got. You can't talk to him.
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B
I forget where you grew up. Where did you grow up?
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Dallas, Texas.
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Oh, that's right. You're like a Texan.
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I am. And I'm like, it's weird. I'm like, was I born in the 1800s or was I born in the 90s, or what? Like, what happened? Because my parents. I. The first boyfriend that I ever had was someone that my parents made me go on dates with.
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B
I mean, that's very Southern.
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I had to be courted. They were like, you need to know how to be treated like a lady. And you don't date. And they're right. My mom's like, why don't you date? And I'm like, oh, this.
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B
Are they very conservative?
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They Bedside Baptist.
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I love that I finally made you uncomfortable. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whose podcast is this?
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Listen. My mother listens to this podcast and she will drag me. She told me, I can't keep talking about organized religion, yo.
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B
She knows if she's conservative, that's fine, right?
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They're. They're Bedside Baptists.
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So I'm not saying that as a bad thing necessarily.
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No, they're fun, but they are, like a little Conservative, but they're fun. They're good.
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Dallas was the first big city I
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ever went to, and they're very accepting. That's a big city to you, But Dallas is not a big city. Chat.
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B
Oh, you don't know how country I am.
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Oh, okay, wait, wait. Where is you from?
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I was born in a small town in New Mexico.
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Lacey, New Mexico. They be having black people in New Mexico.
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Yeah. And they came from Oklahoma.
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That's crazy.
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And it slowly went west, and that's why we had family in Dallas, and that's why, you know, Albuquerque was the big city. And then we went to a church conference in Dallas, and now I was like, what? You know. You know.
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Oh, my God. No, Dallas is not a big city. It's a good place, I think, to raise a family.
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Yeah, it was big for me. It was big for me. And, you know, now that I've lived in New York, in L. A or whatever the hell, I'm, like, so quaint. But it's just. It's a specific culture, is what I mean to say. And that, like, that makes sense for me, what you said, because Southern black people are a certain way. I was also raised by Southern black people, so. I know, but it's not like a. It's not an insult in any kind of way. I'm not putting anybody down.
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No, no, I didn't think that. I just had to think about it because I was like, they're so fun, and they throw great parties. There was a New Year's once where I woke up in our house, and everyone. Because it, like, snowed or something, the night before it sleeted, there was, like, ice on the road so people couldn't drive home, and everyone was wasted because my mom is, like, the best party thrower and host. Woke up as a kid to all of my uncles, aunties, family friends asleep on the ground in my house. Like, I was stepping over people who had just made pallets on the floor, and I was like, I think my parents are cool.
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Oh, that's dope. That's dope.
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But they're also still Christian, but they're fun. So, you know, that's conservative. Feels like not.
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I know this is going to be controversial, what I'm about to say, but Christians can be cool. All right. Yeah, I said it. I said it. Christians can be cool.
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Love Jesus. Because, listen, y', all, I know I have said very critical things about religion because I think a lot of pastors are scammers. I think even just thinking that God called you to Talk to people about God is a scam. But I do like religion simply because I am a gambler, and I'mma put my money on everything. So if I get up there, I got Jesus and I got God, and it's like, if one of them niggas not there, I'm be like, I was with both of y', all, so, like, let's go. Like, I put my money on everything.
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You see, I'm from Vegas, so I. I know that those are horrible odds, but you were saying?
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I put my money on red and black. Okay, Come on.
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That's ridiculous.
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I'm going to somebody heaven. Listen, if it's a celestial kingdom, shout out to the Mormons. I'm trying to get a planet, you know, I want to get. Whatever is. Whatever's happening up there, I want it. Okay.
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Did you ever know any black Mormons?
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Oh, no, I did. You do you do one?
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Yeah, I did a couple.
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One of my best friends in high school is Mormon, and I would. She was only people. One of the few people that I could actually hang out at her house because my mom is very conservative about that. She never let me go nowhere, but I. They had this.
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I wonder why you're a comedian. Continue, though.
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They had this thing, do you know about this? Called the Mormon Trek, where they, like, go through the woods and. And carry hand carts and like, basically reenact Joseph Smith's journey.
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Oh. Of thinking he got to Californ, California, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I did not know that.
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No, they reenacted. They reenacted. And my friend was like, come with me, girl. And I was like, oh, I want to push a hand car. I want to wear garbs. I want to do, you know, cosplay for the weekend. My mom wouldn't let me go.
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It's also amazing that you thought that was cosplay.
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That's. That.
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That was your version of the cosplay back then.
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And actually. Oh, God, this reminds me of one of my friends who passed this year, which. Oh, God, that shakes me. But he went, and I didn't get to go. And he's black. And at one point, because it's all cosplay, right? They go and they eat him. And this somebody comes into the dining hall and is like, all of the Latter Day Saints stand up. And it's like, they gotta get kicked out or whatever. Like, they gotta keep going on the track. And so everybody stood up except for him, and they were like, you gotta. You gotta stand up now to see what's happening. He was like, I ain't Latin. Stay.
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I'm a. I'm just gonna say, oh, my God. You don't know, though. See, this is the thing. I have studied too much history about religion. And so it's kind of like. And I've been. I was raised Southern Baptist. I've been a Jehovah's Witness, and I've also been to the jungle and drank mystical teas and talked to aliens. I will. I, I, I. I've tried it all, and I love it all at the same time because I'm. I'm very lost. So it's kind of like, what? Whatever's going to make me feel a little less whatever.
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Right? That's what it's all about. It's a fun time. We all join in, get in the cult, get a cute guys. All right. It's time for what's Hot and Fried, Because I told you this podcast is a scam. You thought you came here to learn scams, but it's mostly me doing comedy with my friends. But I will. I will do what I said I would do, and I will talk about scams. There's two things one I have to address up top, which is not a retraction. I don't want to call it that. Maybe it is a retraction. We talked about a scam on Amazon where you could read books for free and return them. And I've recently learned through a lot of you guys reaching out, because my fans are mean to me. I love them, but they are mean. And this person wrote in, and I will call them what they've asked me to call them, which is Brianne the Stallion. Brianne the Stallion says, last week, someone described a scam on Amazon where you can buy a book on Kindle, then return it for free. Do not do this to authors you like. When you return an Amazon book and ask for a refund, Amazon takes that money from the author. For example, if you pay $10 for Harry Potter, then return it. Amazon takes $10 away from that transphobic bitch. She's a terf. I love it. So you're scamming her. Which I do approve of. Which, yes, I do approve as well.
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Wait a minute. Wait a minute. How long does it. How long can you have a book before you can return it? A Kindle book. People are buying Kindle books and returning them.
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People are buying ebooks, reading the ebook and returning it for a credit. And so when you do that, you get to basically steal all the words and entertainment and get your money back. And Go buy another book with that money.
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Who are these motherfuckers who are so dedicated to reading yet have not heard of the library? It's just kind of like, this is way more exhausting than getting a library card.
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Going to the library, physical libraries, that's a lot, you know, well, these everybody touch and, you know, people be going to the bathroom, not washing their hands, and then they.
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Well, now pages like, now, that's true. That's true. Libraries, they might be gone. They might be gone now. Who knows? That's crazy to me because it's kind of like these people also read fast. That's. That's why I'm asking. I'm like, I'm gonna read this book of the day and return it.
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And for the Eurodite, okay, this is scam for the educated and the smart, and I like it. So she says, only use this scam on rich ass ain't shit authors who don't need your money. I wanted to say that because we provided this information to the community. And then a lot of people were like, don't do this. It's bad for the authors and the authoresses. And I was like, oh, I don't want to hurt the authoresses. Like, I want the girls to get their writing coin. Like, so y' all be ethical with your scams, okay? If you scam a JK Rowling bitch, steal all the Harry Potter. We don't care she's turf. Steal, steal from her. But, you know, if it's a girl who needs the coin, you, you know, do right, don't do wrong.
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I mean, you know, I, I heard some stat. I don't know if you heard this about like, that it is mostly women who are doing all of the reading in this country. Like, it sounds like I saw some stat that, like, it's like all the reading.
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Is this your new stand up set? Be reading.
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You be reading.
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Listen, y' all know, be reading.
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They got the bells on their hooks. No, it's, it's. I'm like, oh, Lord Audrey. No, it's, it's. I'm being silly now, but, like, I know I. I read that like, like, it's like mostly women are reading. Like, that's the top demo of actual readers. Also, it's like mostly women that run the whole publishing industry, it sounds like, as well, so.
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Which makes sense because they're like, be reading and we. And we know what the girls want.
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No, you're absolutely correct. Wow. Okay. So you wanted that to people so they could, they could, they could up some. Some rich people's.
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Yeah, look, I'm an ethical scammer. So, you know, we scamming against daddy government in this letter. Actually, she said, you know, you're not scamming Daddy Bezos when you return the book. And so I was like, oh, I thought we were scamming Daddy Bezos, like, because that needs to be robbed. We all need to rob him.
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So it's never going to happen. It's never going to happen.
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He got too much money. How you get divorced? You still like the richest ever? No, he's so rich.
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By the way, what it means when he. When we say. This is what I always think about what it means when we. This. This dude is so rich. He is richer not only than any other person ever in the history of the world, but richer than any country in the history of the world. This dude has more money than the United States.
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We need to run that nigga tonight. He is so. I'm tired of it. Also, like, he. There's this thing with rich white men in that sector where they're like, so understated, just T shirt and jeans. And everyone's like, oh, see, that's what rich people do. They wear regular clothes. I'm like, no, you have too much money. I need to see you in finery all the time. You need to be spending it. And you're not. You're a hoarder.
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Like, but, yo, it's. It's the. It's the Bezos. It's the Gateses and the Bezos that dress that way. But they're kids. That's where it gets different. When you see the kids of these rich people, the people who are 30 and younger, they are doing what they're talking about, okay?
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Because I want drip. Like, Jeff Bezos should be in a gold wig every day made of real gold. Like, come on now. His neck should hurt from the jewelry. His earlobe should sag from the diamonds. Like, that's what I want.
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Is it Bezos or Bezos?
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I don't care. Put some disrespect on his name.
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I'm trying to. I was trying to scam you right now. I was going to try to say something in a. This is what I. This is my scam that I always do is trick people into me doing a pun. That's what I like doing. I love tricking people. No, I didn't do it. I was going to say that he has a child named A two and then. Then his name A to Bezos, but that's I know.
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It's stupid.
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It's so stupid. It's stupid.
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Oh, I love your dad humor. Like if you guys don't follow Baron on Twitter, he has the best dad humor and it's very fun.
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B
It's because I didn't have one, so someone has to do it.
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No. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And. All right, guys, so for what's hot and fraud, the real one. Before we take a break, this person is male presenting. So Baron, I need a fake name. That's male presenting for this listener letter.
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Brandon.
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Brandon. Oh, I love a Brandon. I feel like Brandons are usually hot or they used to be in like the early 2000s. Brandon's.
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B
I've never met a baby named Brandon, though.
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Neither have I. Shit, I've only met 12 year olds named Brandon when I was 12.
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B
You've met a baby named Chelsea. Exactly. Read the facts.
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And Chelsea's one of our producers. And I, she. I never met her when she was a baby.
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B
That's true. She was one. I've heard that's inevitable, that at some point you might have been a baby. Most people.
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Most people have been babies, but she. Yeah, you. I've never met it. That's like a. Like a. Like all those old people names are Brandon and Chelsea now. Old people names.
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Maybe that's what always happens. Like these cycles kind of happen and so it's kind of like suddenly everyone's named one thing and then it in 20 years later, that's what everyone like.
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Like. Is Chelsea the new Myrtle?
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Myrtle.
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Myrtle's on the way back.
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Myrtle's on the way back. I'm telling you,
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Chelsea just dropped and she says she offended. Is Chelsea the new Myrtle? Everyone discuss.
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I would say Chelsea's the new Opal. That's what I would. That's what I would say.
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Oh, my God. My grandma's name is Mildred, so.
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Gladys.
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Ooh, yes. Like the night. So see, I did one for you. I did that for you. So here's the real hot and fraud today. So back in high school days, a bitch was broke, says Brandon. Well, not really, but I just wanted some extra coin, so I began selling my art on Facebook. But that wasn't really taking off, like at all. Duh. Okay, You a baby selling art on Facebook. Facebook is for old people and racists. But alright, so I ended up getting on Grindr and setting the age restriction to 50 plus Brandon.
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To sell art.
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To sell art.
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I'm loving Grinder. I love. I want to hear the second act.
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You're on Dick Roulette. The app.
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Well, you know, if. If dick is a possibility, people will buy art. I.
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You set the age to thirsty because we all know 50 plus is thirsty, so you set it to thirsty. And he was like, I'mma sell my art. Oh, okay, okay.
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Thirsty for watercolors.
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I want some impressionist art, you know, which I. What the girls doing? So I began messaging every single person I saw. Of course, when they asked what I was doing, I always said working on some art, even if I was sitting on my ass watching Netflix, I was being all cute and flirty. So these grown ass men started asking me for pictures of my art and started showing interest in buying them. So I printed out, meet up with them at a Starbucks, get my money and leave. They were so salty that I didn't stay to chat or go back to their place, but I got the money, so I didn't really care. Obviously, I didn't offer any sex, but it wasn't my fault. They had misread my. The flirty text that I sent Ms. Read.
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B
That was Grindr.
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A
Yeah. I sent four eggplants and six water emojis, but I was flirting with. And y' all misread it.
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B
Eggplant palette. Eggplant palette. Eggplant palette. What else that's supposed to mean? That's. That's. I want to applaud this. This is incredible. This one is like, I have respect for Brandon here.
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Randy said with this top English, Spanish and French, like, he came out here and city girl these so hard. And I love it.
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B
Wow.
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A
Love it. Oh, my God. So he said he didn't offer any sex, but he was like, I sent these 40 texts. Like, that's their fault for misinterpreting $25 a print. Sometimes 50 if I was in a rich part of town. Come on. What you knowing? You better know. You better know when to hijack the price.
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B
This is. This is like sociology and anthropology and geography coming to life in this. This is incredible. Go on, go on.
- [24:52]
A
Oh. He said, look dirty Beverly Hills. The gas is higher and so are these prints. And I love it. I love him. He said the scam was legal, but I was serving some justice too. Nasty old men talking to 16 year olds deserve to be out of some money. Love the show.
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B
Oh, my goodness. This is the first time I've heard the age.
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A
Yeah. Oh, I said it a couple.
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B
They never said they were 16.
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A
He was a child. And I was like, I almost didn't read it.
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B
Missed that. Because I must have missed that.
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A
I almost didn't read it because I'm not a Lolita person. I don't like to be an unreliable narrator. Like, like he's a child. But I'm also glad that nothing happened to him. I'm glad that he's just scammed some little dirty men. Because if you're 50, you know what a 16 year old looks like, you know, so if your nasty ass was at the Starbucks getting your flat white waiting on this child, you deserve to be scammed, you weirdo.
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B
Your flat white waiting for your flat white. You deserve to be scammed. See, that's when a pun works.
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A
That was excellent. They should be robbed and they should also be in fucking jail. That's why I read it, because I was like, oh, I kind of felt weird about the 16 year old thing. And then when I found out nothing happened to him, I was like, oh, okay. Well, then he just robbed a bunch of people who needed to be robbed.
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B
And yes, well, this is the thing about.
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A
But now I do feel bad about my talk joke because I didn't realize actually that I'm talking about a kid. So.
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B
Well, I, I. Here's the thing, because this is the second scam. These are like, you are interested in justice. That's what it sounds like you are interested in. You are interested in justice beyond the government, beyond the police and the jails.
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A
I'm a freedom fighter.
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B
So you're like, so if there is a scam that works my people, I give you the tools. That's what it sounds like you're trying to do here.
- [26:39]
A
Oh, yeah. No, I want people to get robbed. It's. I'm fully for it, but I'm not for it. If it's robbing people who I don't think should be robbed, like the authoresses. I'm so sorry, author. I hope I ain't cost y' all some money. I know I did. I know y' all getting robbed right now and I'm sorry. I'm sorry I did that.
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B
You are the most entertaining enabler I have ever met.
- [27:04]
A
I'm chaotic. I can't help it. I am chaos. I want to stop, but I can't. One time, my friend who decided not to be my friend anymore cause I was too ratchet. It was in college. She was right. She was like a very classy hoe. And I was like making out with niggas in the club, like we should have been friends. Like, I was not representing her well at the time. And she told me, she was like, I know you're an actress, but Your life isn't a movie and you need to stop acting like it is.
- [27:33]
B
And I was like, whoa, okay, wait, was that her breakup line?
- [27:37]
A
Yeah, she broke up with me.
- [27:38]
B
Damn, that's a drop.
- [27:40]
A
And then I found some messy hoes to be friends with. I was like, y' all hoes are a mess. Let me join you.
- [27:45]
B
That's incredible. And when you write the movie about your life, you get to put that line in there and profit from it. And that's the, that's the justice. What she said to you in your script. Make that money and there's the justice. My goodness.
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A
But see, you know, as an improv comedian, you know, as a comedian in general, like, and especially as a stand up, like, you got to live to write, so you got to go out and live and go do some shit and talk to some people. And that's how we get material. I wouldn't be able to talk on a show for hours every week. The shout out to y' all for the Spotify tags of like, listen, how long y' all been listening to me? And also, I'm sorry if you were listening, listening to me for seven hours in one day, I apologize.
- [28:31]
B
That's kind of what it's like to be inside your head though. So you, you, you know, it can be. It can be.
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A
That's why I'm saying sorry.
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B
Oh, okay. Okay.
- [28:39]
A
My head is a roller coaster. That was what really got me about quarantine. It was just too much time alone, thinking, and I was like, oh my God, I'm so tired of this me.
- [28:48]
B
That's what the hell. That's what my podcast is about, is trying to. Is helping people figure out how to get through this and, and, and hearing what people use, like how they get through it.
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A
You know, I like that because we're
- [28:58]
B
all looking for answers, you know, and information on that. We're all trying to hear what each other is. You know, when I check in with my people, that's what it is that I wanted to put out there.
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A
I love that self core and that was not the place Advertisement. But what you will hear next is we'll be right back after some non scam advertise. And we are back and it's time for my favorite segment of this podcast. Historic Hoodwinks. Why am I talking like this? This is not my voice. I don't know. I'm giving you something different, girls. I gotta vary it up. I gotta give you guys different things. So Historic hoodwinks, if you're new here and if you've stayed on this long, We've been on a ride. Historic Hoodwinks is where I will regale baron with. With a historical scam or hoodwink, and I'll get his opinions all throughout and he'll tell me if he likes it. If he doesn't. You guys know I love a scammer. I clearly love chaos. But we're ethical scammers here. We're ethical criminals. We have a code. So, you know, we'll see. We'll see if we love it by the end. So today we're talking about the fake French minister in silicone mask who stole millions and. Yeah, you heard me right. I'm talking about someone who put on a silicone mask so that he looked like somebody else.
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B
That's a good mask.
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A
The mask is good. Marina, can we pull that mask up? Because the mask is good. I want you to see it. It's cute.
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B
They say you gotta, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta. Was it break eggs to make eggs? You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette. That's what it is.
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A
What does that mean?
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B
It means that you got to spend money to make money. So if you invested in a good ass mask knowing that it was gonna Fair.
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A
Fair. Yes, Double in return. Right? And it did. It did. Okay, so look, look at this. Look at this, y'.
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B
All.
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A
That mask is good. And if you're talking, look, obviously on zoom, the girls can do a lot on zoom. You know, you can put filters on your zooms you to make yourself cuter.
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B
Wow. Yes. Yes, the. What's it called? The improve. Make me a human filter. What is, what is it?
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A
Do you make a sexy zoom? Yeah, it's like a filter. This way.
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B
Undisgusting. Click. Undisgusting.
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A
Hide my ugly face. Thank you, Zoom.
- [31:19]
B
Okay, so this did. This dude did this over zoom?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay, well, that's different.
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A
And also, he's old. And this comes into like ageism because, you know, with ageism, ageism is a smart scam because when people get older, we stop paying attention. Okay, now we have a side by side of who this man? Really? Oh, I could see how this worked.
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B
But you would also believe the Internet connection is that bad for the, for the, for the, for the thing to be blurry, it's like, oh, this dude is still on. On dial up. Like, it's like clearly like this doc, this guy doesn't have any good mbps.
- [31:52]
A
And that's why you're just from his pager. He said, he said 143. I love you. We was like, huh? Like, yeah, that's what.
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B
He plugged this into a boost mobile modem. Come on.
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A
If the said chirp chirp before it started,
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B
what has he got? Cricket. Oh, my goodness.
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A
Yeah, this is T mobile ass. And okay, okay, okay. No shade to the T mobile community, though. I love y'. All.
- [32:20]
B
The T. The T mobile community. Yes, yes. That very. That very underserved, discriminated against community we call T mobile users.
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A
This is America, okay? People associate themselves with brands. I didn't realize that until I started talking cash about TD Bank. And then all the TD banking community was like, I love banking there. And I'm like, y' all repping hard for a bank.
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B
Do you know what TD stands for, though? Toronto. Toronto Dominion, okay? Canadian Kingdom.
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A
I'm giving them my money. I was a total disaster, but total D clips. See, you about to have me back on TD Twitter because they don't like me over there. They mad at me. There was like, stop talking about our bank. A.
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B
And you don't like things with t.t mobile. Td. Td bank. Go on, go on.
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A
So as you can see, I think the things as I realize this is a podcast, so we have to describe things to you guys. So what we were looking at was silicone mask on a man who was pretending to be another man. The differences basically were like, the other man's, like, kind of tanner, but you're looking at different lighting, the. The signal. Everything looked real shoddy. Like, I'm telling you, it was very Android video, honey. It was giving Android Snapchat. And if you know, you know. And so you don't know.
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B
Don't you talk about Android, Lacey. That is prejudice. I swear.
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A
I'm tired of y' all landline ass cell phones. I'm tired of y'. All. I hate the Android community.
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B
No, no. Yeah. How crazy. Android community.
- [34:05]
A
You're ruining my.
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B
That's the Apple. Apple has used a really good scam for their marketing. It's called racism. Because ever since I moved, ever since I moved to Android, I get Apple people being like, why are you green? I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? I'm not green. To me, all I see is green. It's just kind of like that's how racism works. That's what Apple did.
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A
It is.
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B
That's why all their products are white.
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A
That's why they're white. And they sprinkle some racism in everything. And I can't stop. I love Tim Apple. I love him, okay? Him and Daddy government I love them so much. Put your foot on my neck. Harder, Daddy. Government. So.
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B
Oh, my goodness.
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A
So, yes, the picture's really shady, right? But since he's an older gentleman, people aren't really looking at it that hard. Like, I'm sure this mask probably wasn't even. He laced this down. He ain't put no got to be on this. It's not glued down. Like, I'm sure this was hanging off, but they were like, he's old. Maybe his face is hanging off his body. That's what old people do.
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B
So it's also like, look, people aren't just sitting there studying the picture. They're living their lives. You know, there was. This was a zoom thing that was happening.
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A
Yeah.
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B
People are walking around making coffee, having toast, you know, you know, texting, whatever they're not fully paying attention to. I've been on zoom meetings where I walked away from the screen. I'm like. I can hear it, you know, like a sitcom from the 90s. Like, I. I get the gist.
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A
So for two years, starting in 2015, Gilbert Schilke and Anthony Lasarevich. I think I said that right. Wow. Impersonated France's defense minister at the time, Jean.
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B
Wait, two years.
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A
Yeah, two years. Jean Yves. They scammed 80 million euros. That's $90 million from wealthy victims, including Aga Khan. Prince Karim. Aga Khan is the spiritual leader of a branch of the Shiite Islam. He also happens to be a multimillionaire and a philanthropist and the owner of Chateau Margaux wines. So they were just robbing everybody with this.
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B
Wow.
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A
The hustle required targets to believe that they were being contacted by Mr. Leguaume, who requested financial help to pay ransoms for journalists. So he was like, they got the girls. The girls went to the country and they took some photos, and the next thing we know, the military girls took the girls away, and we need to get the girls back.
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B
So now, this is a. This is an interesting philosophical point for me, because, you know, if we're talking about ethical scamming, I'm. I. I think who you scam is important, but how you scam is also important. Right? Yeah. So it's kind of like them using that story makes. That offends me. Like, they. That they kind of, you know, use the idea of that's happening. That's scary. To scam rich people. Now, if they scam rich people in not at the expense of people who are being, you know, literally kidnapped and murdered, then I can get on board with it. So what do you think about that, Lacy?
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A
I don't know. Oh, no, because I don't know.
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B
I know how you spell that. A, I, O.
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A
It's actually I, O, N. I don't know. Okay, that's ion, actually. But
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B
I don't know.
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A
I don't know, because we've talked about scams on this show where it's like, oh, they called us and somehow faked our mom's number. And we're like, we have your mom and we have our hostage, and we're beating her ass up right now. Send us money. And they didn't have the mom hostage. She was just at home watching Young and the Restless. But I don't know if I hated
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B
it, because it also feels like. I don't know. That also feels hacky to me. Like, I'm just kind of like, maybe I'm being too much of a comic here. I'm like, at least have some originality. Come on, make it snappy. Like, everyone gets kidnapped. I want something that's compelling. You know what I mean? I guess that's what it is.
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A
Fair. Fair. And I do think that this actually, because in 2015, like, in that time period, there were a lot of journalists getting kidnapped. I mean, there still are, but at that time, there were a lot in the news. News. So it was especially in France. Yeah, Right. So it was punchy. It was topical. Topical, relatable.
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B
Evergreen. It's really evergreen.
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A
It is evergreen. Sadly, they be kidnapping journalists. Child. Shout out to journalists. Shout out to y' all for having the audacity to pull up at the fire and start taking photos. Because it couldn't be me. It could not be me. Y' all was like, hey, we at the war. Let me get my Kodak. No, no, no, no. Not me. But I appreciate y', all, because otherwise, how would I know what's going on?
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B
Like, I need to see that movie, Nightcrawler.
- [38:50]
A
No, I haven't.
- [38:51]
B
The one with Jake Gyllenhaal. I can't help but laugh for some reason. No. But I accidentally, accidentally saw it. I, I. It's pretty interesting in terms of what you believe a journalist to be, because there are the people who are out there trying to get the stories, but then there are the people who just want to document the chaos and make the money. That can be its own scam, too.
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A
Oh. See, I. I love both of them because I think that journalists are people who have harnessed the negative aspects of their personality and made them work. And what I mean by that is we always talk about Hater jobs on here. I'm like, if you're a hater, if you just know you're one of those people who's like, oh, I hate that they got this clothes. I hate. They got these cars. I hate everything about them. Get into a hater profession, Become an accountant. Become a meter maid. Become, you know what? I like, fucking work for the irs. Like, get a hater job so that you can let your hate out in an appropriate manner. And, like, I feel like journalists are just nosy ass niggas who need to be in people's business. And they were like, okay, well, I'm gonna work for the news, so this way I can walk around the block and talk to niggas about everything. And it's sanctioned. Like, they're just nosy. They're nosy.
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B
I'm with you. I'm with you on that. I also love. I just want to say I love your hate, your get a hater job philosophy. I appreciate the Buddhist behind it.
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A
We all need an outlet. We all need an outlet for the things. I think the things that make us great can also destroy us. So it's like, you have to find an outlet for the bad shit. And it's like, get a hater job, you know, or become a journalist. As journalists, a hater job. I'm putting that. It's a nosy job.
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B
This is where you nosy.
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A
You like mess too much.
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B
Nah, you know, see, I'll debate you on this, but we don't got time. We don't.
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A
We do not have time for this. So let's keep going. So he's telling everybody the girls are kidnapped. Okay. Olivia Pope with the newspaper. The girls is kidnapped. Give us money, cuz that's how we gonna get them out. So the Hustle required targets to believe that they were being contacted by Mr. Ledrion, who requested financial help to pay ransoms for journalists being held hostage in the Middle East. We talked about that. So since France officially does not pay ransoms to hostage takers, the fake Les Dion assured that payments could not be traced and asked for the funds to be placed in a bank in China. So he's like, listen, you know, the girls in France, we don't do this, okay? No. Okay. We don't do this. So we need to keep it all secret. Okay? Clandestine. So send the money to China. This makes sense, right? It's for France, but send it to China.
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B
I mean, this is a. This is kind of a classic scam just done in a really, you know, in a different arena. You know, like, we have to. We need you to send us this money. And it can't be traced. That's. That's pretty. You know, there's a. I'm. I'm starting to come around, right?
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A
It's giving Nigerian prince. It's giving Nigerians. It is Nigerian fees. And I love it because it's like Barack Obama, the audacity of scams. Like, this is a big ass scam to just be like, we're gonna impersonate a whole government. Like, what. What day did you wake up? And you was like. Like, we gonna impersonate the government.
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B
But it's also like, it also is indicative of how up things are in France, I guess that, like, these people believed this as well and that, you know, I don't know how up government is, I guess, in general.
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A
I mean, have the French given us anything since Fries?
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B
Statue of Liberty and that's all I got.
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A
Okay. Yeah, she's a moment. I guess she's cute. So who impersonated the minister and why? Everything about the story is exceptional. They dare to take on the identity of serving a French minister, which we talked about. They called up CEOs and heads of government around the world and asked for vast amounts of money. The nerve of it all. Ooh. Yes, Daphne, this is Delphine Miette, a lawyer to the minister. And I fucking agree with you, Daphne. Delphine Chow. Whatever. So presumably the fact that. That as a defense minister, he might be in charge of ransom demands was part of it because he is like, I'm the defense minister, so, you know, the girls call me when the ransom needs to be paid, like, that's my job. So that gives him legitimacy when he's impersonating this person. Right. But another factor may have been his relative obscurity. So Gilbert Chicki, 54, and Anthony Lasrovich, 35, were the masterminds of. Of the scam in which three victims parted with about 55 million euros. There were five other men involved, age 27 to 59. That's what you got to have, people you got to have. A 27 year old is hungry. 27 is where you're like. At least for me, it was like, I wasn't poor poor, but I was. But I was still very hungry for money. A 27 year old will work very hard for you.
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B
And then the older, oldest people were 54, 59. 59. So this is actually inspiring. This is what happens when generations get together.
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A
You know, we need to come together.
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B
Miracles, people. Come on.
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A
Miracles.
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B
Listen to your elders.
- [44:10]
A
Some Call them felonies, we call them miracles. Yes, there can be felonies if you believe. If you believe robbery, yes.
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B
Oh, there can be robberies. Yeah.
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A
Okay. So felonies is great though. So. God, we're such comedians. We're doing weird comedian stuff that we need to do.
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B
I know. We're like in a writer's room right now. It's just kind of like, oh, you're
- [44:35]
A
bringing it out of me. Everyone brings something different out of me. It makes me feel weird that I feel like.
- [44:41]
B
I think it's called listening.
- [44:45]
A
I just feel like a different person on every episode. And I'm like, I'm sorry, guys. So, so how they did it, the system started with an initial telephone call from someone claiming to be a member of the minister's inner circle, such as his special advisor. So it's like you ain't even getting called by the real nigga. They was like, I'm the assistant to the fake nigga and I need to tell you like, so I love that because you do have to set up the expectation of like, if you are an important person, you never contact people directly. So that's smart. This person would then arrange the conversation with the minister himself. Initially, these ministerial calls were also over the phone. In an effort to be more convincing, the scam went up a level to video honey. Now the fake Ledrion not only had to sound like the defense minister, he also had to look like him too. So in meetings arranged on Skype throwback, I said zoom, but it is Skype.
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B
Shout out to Microsoft.
- [45:42]
A
Is that Microsoft? Yeah, that was the last good thing they gave us. That and control, alt delete. Ever since then it's been trash.
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B
What about Xbox?
- [45:52]
A
I guess we a PS Community over here.
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B
Oh, okay. All right, all right, all right.
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A
I'm not a big gamer. I used to do Garen Theft Auto and I would just ride around and steal money and have sex with the sex workers. And I was like, I'm 11. This feels like not a good idea. This feels like not good for my brain development.
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B
I'm 11 and this is wrong. That's incredible. That's incredible.
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A
Have you ever checked yourself as a child? I parented myself in that moment and was like, I don't know who told me I could do this, but they should not have.
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B
Well, I'm really glad you did it before you riggedy wrecked yourself.
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A
I did. I checked myself, Baron. Okay, so. So in a meetings that they arranged on Skype, the fraudster wore a custom made Leon mask and sat in a Room that looked like a minstrel office, complete with flags and a portrait of the then president, Francois Hollandais. I'm giving y' all so much on these names, and if you're from France, maybe I'm wrong. Who cares? Aren't they cute? You like them?
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B
I love mispronounced French names. That's why I love going to Louisiana.
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A
But you just gotta put more stank on it. You say it fast, too. That's my scams. I just say names really fast.
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B
Throw some Ds on it.
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A
Yeah, on that. Throw some BE.
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B
Throw some Ds on that French.
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A
Oh, the. Oh, gosh, this is warming my heart. So they made sure he was badly lit and at some distance from the camera, which we saw. He was really.
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B
He was badly lit.
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A
He looked.
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B
He was a distance.
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A
He looked like, who did the body? And I was like, why does he look dead?
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B
But look, if you are. If you are having a secret conversation with the minister of whatever, the defense of France, you're not expecting this mofo to have fantastic lighting and makeup. You know, it's not like he's just like, all right, get.
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A
Get Meryl Streep's team in here, please.
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B
Get the. Get the ones who made her look like that woman from Written. Get them in here. Like, they don't have a budget. So it's like, I'm. I'm with it. I'm with it. That's a. That's an eye for detail.
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A
True. So they also made sure that the connection was bad and only lasted a short time.
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B
Time.
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A
Just enough to put the bait. So Guy Patrice Ligno. There's so many French names in here of this guy.
- [48:18]
B
G, U, Y. Yeah. That's usually G G in French. Yeah.
- [48:24]
A
Oh, yeah. Because you don't say, I see this.
- [48:27]
B
Oh, I. I can't see what you're reading.
- [48:31]
A
Right. I said that like you could see.
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B
I just knew. I knew a D. So that's.
- [48:37]
A
That's it, guys. Our guests never hear the epis. That's how we ended up with the Jamila Jamil episode. They don't know who we're talking about. No. Jamila is wonderful. I love her. She's a sweetheart. But I accidentally talked about someone who's very much alive with her. And then that woman, it turned out, was, like, kind of obsessed with her.
- [48:56]
B
Whoa.
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A
And it was a whole thing on Twitter, so. But they never know. They never know we're talking about. This is all off the cuff and very much live. So looking back now, I asked myself, okay, so this Is the Ghee. G. Patri. This is G. Patri talking, and he's.
- [49:14]
B
I love that attitude's coming out.
- [49:15]
A
He's a. Do it.
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B
Do it.
- [49:17]
A
Give us a shoulder.
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B
You gotta give us some shoulder.
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A
I'm hitting him with the shoulders, and no one can see, but I'm, like, coaching you.
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B
Like Whoopi Goldberg and Sister Act. Give us some. So give us some.
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A
Listen, I'm hitting you guys with the shoulders, and you can't even see it. But I am. I'm g. That's how much I love y'.
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B
All.
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A
I'm giving. Okay? So Guy Patri, he's like a wine dynasty legacy. He's like, got wine coin. He's got that long wine money. Okay? He got that pinot and that noir. So looking back now, this is him talking. I asked myself a lot of questions, but it did look like him. And he was asking for my help for service of the state, right? It's scary because maybe if he had asked for less money, I might have said yes. So Ghee was like, okay, he canceled me, and I was like, I want to be. I want a favor from the government. I want the favor. I want the government to be like, we need you. And then I'd be like, remember when y' all had. Needed me? Government. I need a favor now. Like, that's the thing about being rich. You get to a certain point of richness where you want to get involved in politics because you, like, well, now I want to control the country.
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B
Well, when you get to a certain amount of richness, you become your own country. That's how you start thinking about yourself. You don't.
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A
You.
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B
You could give a fuck. Unfortunately, people. Most people that rich could give a fuck about, you know, the people who worked hard to get them that rich. Right.
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A
It's also weird when you get to that point where you're starting to. I'm actually getting. Not to the so rich country point, but to the point of so busy, I need help and not realizing I can't do it all.
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B
Oh, Lacy, I have been there. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.
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A
And n keep popping up in my life and being like, you need help. And I'm like, oh, okay. So. So I get. I get, you know, getting big enough that you need more people in your life than you thought you did. But I know I don't get being like you.
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B
Lacey. You're gonna have to. I'm sorry to say this, Lacy. Trust niggas. I know, I know, I know.
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A
I don't like that you are gonna
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B
have to trust somebody.
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A
Trusting human.
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B
I'm. I. Okay, well, you just said it, but, like, you know, that's part of it. Delegation. Okay, I don't like on the way.
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A
I don't like.
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B
You cannot. You cannot experience elevation until you experience delegation.
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A
If you don't get y' all y ass off my podcast Baron, I can't. We not doing this. Next thing I know, you're gonna have me holding dolls and talking to pictures of Harriet tubman.
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B
Wow. Well, a 20 bill with her on it.
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A
At least Google that if you've never seen my favorite. Okay, so here's the thing about Oprah Winfrey. She's a genius, but she loves to hire criminals. Everyone she's hired and elevated is a scammer. Dr. Phil. Dr. What is this? Eli Vincent.
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B
Oh, Dr. Oz, right?
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A
Yeah, Dr. Oz or Dr. What's this? I think they're the same. So she's hired a lot of scammers. Them niggas is scammers. They are criminals. Yellow Benson ain't nobody's therapist. She is wild. She literally had a rapper.
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B
She's like a life coach, isn't she?
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A
Like, it's not life coach. Not a job.
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B
Well, it is. It is.
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A
When Oprah calls you, one life coach is made up. Also, like, the audacity of thinking you can be a life coach is something that I love so much because it's like, the audacity of thinking you could be a comedian. Like, how dare I wait and be like, people want to hear my jokes. That's a dumb career. I've made stupid choices, okay? And I've just tried to scam my way as hard as I can because
- [52:59]
B
Lacey sounds like you need a life coach right about now. I'm sensing some walls going up.
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A
I feel like we could both be life coaches. I feel like I could definitely be a life coach. I don't think I would coach you in the right direction.
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B
No, we have to do more self worth, you know, you have to do more self work to become a life coach. Otherwise, you become a cult leader.
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A
I have done enough. Yeah, no, I. A cult leader. It's something. It's my fallback career. Like, I won't lie.
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B
Just be queerful.
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A
I mean, y' all listening to this show. We. What have we already done? We have names. I call you guys the congregation, and we kind of do this whole church thing. Like, I got bishops, I got deacons. We. We talk to each other. I be talking to y' all if you tweet me sometimes. I tweet you back. Don't I? I am a cult leader. I'm telling you this now because I don't. Don't fall too deep.
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B
Deep. This has been the church of Mosley.
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A
Listen, this is the congregation of scams, okay? I call myself scam goddess. I have candles n. I am trying to start a cult. I am.
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B
But like a good scammer lifestyle, there's one for.
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A
I might cut all of this out of the episode.
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B
No.
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A
So let's get to getting caught because we gotta get out of here. So one person who didn't fall for the trap was Senegalese leader Macky Saw. This was basically because the fake Le Dran made a basic error of addressing the president with polite French vu.
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B
Wait a minute. The dude from Senegal was like, this is not. He's not racist enough. That's why he figured it out. Out. Continue. Go ahead, go ahead.
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A
In fact, the two men know each other well. And when talking, use the familiar do. So he was like, you doing. Why you doing so much? Like this should be a homie. So others became suspicious in August 2017 and he made the mistake of traveling to Ukraine. Why did I put so much on Ukraine?
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B
You put a French accent on Ukraine. By the way, I'm French accent. Because you're committing an accent with this
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A
pussy talk English, Spanish and French, okay? So if you haven't listened to the city girls and understand that I am a city girl, yet I am. So others become suspicious. In August 2017, he made the mistake of traveling to the Ukraine. He was arrested at the request of the French and told police he was on a pilgrimage to a tomb of a well known rabbi. But his phone was evidence that he had come to buy a new mask. So he went to reopen up on them. The mask them. Silicone mask. They couldn't mail it to you, sis, it's 2015. They couldn't give you a FedEx moment. Like, why do you have to go get it yourself?
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B
Wow, this is. I love this. It's just like a. It's like a be. It's like a onion. Just layers and layers and layers that make my eyes water.
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A
Like, not you getting caught. Cuz they couldn't send it to you next day. Like, what's happening, sis?
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B
They had made enough money that they didn't have to travel all that way.
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A
Also, they had made enough money that they should have just stopped. That's the thing about scamming. You get high on it. And if you scammed almost $90 million, you are good. You are fine. They could have just stopped. But they kept going. Because that's the thing about scamming. It's not necessarily about the money. It's also about the thrill and the high. It's your job, it's your profession. So it's like us, we're not gonna stop. If we made enough money as comedians to live fine for the rest of our lives, we would still be up in somebody's face doing stand up. Because it's not about the money.
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B
You gotta. Yeah, you gotta have your purpose. Wow. Yeah, you're right. You do get high off of it. I guess you would. Because especially if you're getting away with it, like it's. It's because that's the other thing is like how do you dismount sometimes from these things? It sounds like they had an easy opportunity.
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A
This is why silicone mask away like it's what they didn't see.
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B
Ocean's Thirteen. That's what it is. That's what it is. They stopped at 12 and they thought they could. No, I'm. I'm being silly.
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A
I don't know. I was believing, I was like, that's why I could be a life coach. You just be saying anything and I'd be like, it's a comedian curse. So the heavy sentence of 11 years plus a 2 million euro fine went to Cheeky who shouted from the duck. Shock. It's a scandal. You should be ashamed.
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B
What I mean in a different. This is a translation of what this person might have said, right?
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A
Yeah. And so then his accomplice received a seven year sentence and a one million euro fine. Mr. Cheekley was already somewhat known con man whose life was the subject of a movie. In an interview with the French television in 2010 over previous scams, Cheekley said he was intrigued by the game of scamming.
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B
That's the addiction.
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A
Cuz it's like you got so much money you just like putting on GS.
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B
You should have been an actor intrigued by the.
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A
The game of so many scammers. I think should be actors because they just like putting on. And I think that's why I went into acting because I was like, I love to give girls a lie, but get paid for it. Like a fun lie. It.
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B
I think you're right. If a lot more scammers were actors, then a lot of these actors that are out here would stop. Because the scam that a lot of these actors out here have have pulled off is that they can act. But a scammer has proven that they can. It's the 80 million that they got sitting in Aruba. Jamaica, come on. I want to take you.
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A
Based in China. Why? All right, guys, we're gonna take a quick break, and we'll be back for the saddest part of the show, which is the end. Robbery and fraud. And we're back, guys. And this is the saddest part of the show. I have to let Baron go. Damn. I don't want to let you go. But before you go on your way out at the door, while you're grabbing your coat that's on the hook, we're going to do Scammer of the Week. The Scammer of the Week is a segment where we talk about a infamous charlatan that is worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. Sometimes they trash. You never know. But let's. Let's talk about the girls. So we have Marissa Hodgberg, a wellness Instagram influencer who tried to turn her summer vacation into a permanent lifestyle by squatting in the Hamptons in a mansion she was renting from June to August. Focused. All right.
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B
I think I heard about this.
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A
You did?
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B
I heard a little about this.
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A
Yeah. 2020 is very recent.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I worked in the Hamptons when I lived in New York City. I don't know why I grabbed my breast like that when I said that. You.
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B
You actually put your hand over your heart, didn't you?
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A
I guess. Is that where my heart is?
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B
You did. That's why.
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A
That's.
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B
It's because when you worked in the Hamptons, it. It hurt you, so you had a physical reaction to the memory of it. I worked in the Hamptons. This was hurt. This kind of got broken there.
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A
But as I was saying, honestly, yes, the best part of the Hamptons was I was Paul McCartney's personal waiter at a popup restaurant that he frequented very often.
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B
Did he call you Blackbird?
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A
The blackbird in the bed of night? Listen, I know. I know me some Beatles, honey.
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B
I'm hearing it.
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A
So, no, he didn't. But he did tell me when he was living, leaving for the season ending, he was like, you know, Lacy, you're gonna be one of the best servers ever. Like, you're so talented. Like, you're going to be the best. And I was like, paul, I don't be no goddamn server. Not for my whole life. Ain't nothing wrong with waiting tables. But I didn't want to do it for my whole life. But he was like, listen, you got real future in this. Paul was trying to make me his permanent server, and I was like, oh,
- [61:13]
B
I gotta respect that they. That. That he was trying to encourage you a little, right?
- [61:18]
A
He was so nice. He remembered my name. He was so sweet. He always tipped good. I remember his wife's allergies, that whole. Love eggplant. Like, I love him. I really do love him. But. But, yeah, and also, like, if you are a server for your whole life, there's nothing wrong with that. And in fact, there are servers who make over six figures a year. Like, if you get into the real serving game, like if you get into the Michelin, where. Where you got suit on and no 550, 11 wines. Oh, you can make a coin, a big coin.
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B
That also brings up the fact that Reagan pulled a scam on the entire restaurant industry. Because these mofos should be salaried. Let's not. These people should not be working for only tips. But that doesn't matter right now, does it?
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A
But also, can I just say this on the show, since we're talking about scams rooted in slavery. Yes, tipping is rooted in slavery, y'. All. And I found that out and I was like, God damn. So basically what happened was, is during Reconstruction, after the Civil War, God damn, look at me. Having facts. Basically was free. And a lot of them were sharecropping and some of them weren't. And some of the girls were like, well, we need people to wait tables at our restaurant, but we don't want to pay. Cause they sniggers and we don't want to pay them. So that's where tipping started was they were like, the customer will pay, these niggas.
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B
Oh, I did not know that they
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A
will work for free ish.
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B
Back then it was like free ish. I mean, it's been 10 years, right?
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A
And then America was like, you know what this, this work good for? But we should actually oppress everybody with this. How about we all do this? How about tipping is a thing in restaurants all over and it still is. So, yeah, there you go, guys. All right, let's get out of this goddamn episode. So Marissa, who temporarily remember Marissa, because I went on a tangent again, somehow told y' all about niggas in slavery. Anyway, remember how I was supposed to be talking about what I talk about? So Marissa, who temporarily made her Instagram account with 12,000 followers private, agreed to pay a total of $31,750 to rent out a three bedroom, two bedroom house, or three bedroom, two bathroom house in the Hampton. She paid the first half, then emailed the couple a bizarre note about wanting to buy the house, which was not for sale. So she got on verbone was like, hey girl, here's half. And then she was like, mm, you know I ain't sent you the rest of the money, but I wanna buy this house. And they was like, girl, we never said it was for sale. What's happening? So this is probably a dumb question. Okay, so she said this, this is her quote. This is probably a dumb question because you built the house, but you aren't looking. Looking to sell by any chance, are you? I have fallen in love with it.
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B
Haha.
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A
Figured I asked. This is audacity and I love it. According to court documents, she was required to pay the second half of the rent money by June 15 and failed to do so. But she kept posting photos of herself on the property on Instagram. In the weeks leading up to her move out date on August 8, her 90 year old father called the couple who owned the house and asked if his daughter. Daughter could stay longer. Not you calling your daddy and be like, daddy, go ask them. Also, like, obviously she didn't have the money because she's trying to purport like she has money. She's like, I know I ain't sent y' all the rest of the money, but is the house for sale? Cause I'm so rich I could definitely buy it.
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B
But talking that game can, you know, that's, that, that's what audacity can. You can float on that for a
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A
while and it confuses people. It's smart to confuse is a scam. So her father was listed as an occupant on her lease agreement, despite him telling the New York Times that he had his own place in Montauk. Which is confusing also because it's like, if you have a place in Montauk, why the fuck is she staying at a different house when she could be staying for free? Confusion. So wait, Marissa texts the owners because she'd been talking to them and she texted them, she says, you're gonna kick an almost 91 year old man out in the middle of a pandemic. So at this point she's saying that her day dad is living with her even though he's clearly living in Montauk. She had her dad call and be like, daddy ask him if I could stay. And then when they said no, she was like, my daddy living here, he owned. He gonna die. Y' all gonna do this to him.
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B
Oh, okay.
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A
He was never living there.
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B
She can't even keep track of what she was doing because she's too busy she's too busy trying to come up with the hashtags for these posts that she. She lost her own place in her own skin. Him.
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A
Like, I just like that. She went from like, I'm living in this place, posting by myself to dad, My daddy living here, too. Dad, Daddy. Call him. Call him and tell him. And then when they're like, no. She was like, my dad's going to die if y' all put us out. Like, he wasn't living there. He was living in his own place in Montauk.
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B
Is this where they kind of figured her out, though?
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A
Well, in an email asking the couple again to extend the lease to mid October, Marissa said, I don't think new tenants would want a COVID infected house. House, question mark. It's not been confirmed if her father had been diagnosed with coronavirus, but now she's like, my daddy got corona and he sucked every door knob. Do you really want to kick us out?
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B
That's silly.
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A
Really want to kick us out? He loves sucking appliances. You'll never get the COVID out of this house.
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B
I've been following him around with a hand fan, man. Every time he coughs, I blow it into the furniture. And now you want us to leave?
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A
This nigga loves looking walls. You'll never get the COVID out. Like, bitch, you're crazy. You're crazy. So Hoochberg eventually moved out on October 12, but the couple is now suing her for $14,450 that she still owed, plus interest and the additional $35,000 for rent they claim to have lost out on during her. Her extended stay. I like you, Marissa. This is fun. You used everything I love. A pandemic scammer. I love that she was like, my dad's 91. Y' all gonna put him out. This a housing crisis. Capitalism. Then she was like, he got the Rona, and Ms. Rona is running through this place.
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B
So she. She booked this place. Well, how does she get this place? From these people? Like Airbnb or something? Renting. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, is it called verbo? I always called it vrbo. Verbo. I like that. So they have all of her information, and then she thought that she could just. Interesting.
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A
Well, she. It was because she extended her stay.
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B
Yeah, but still, like, if someone has all your info, it's hard to kind of pull one over on them in the end, always.
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A
This is very true. And actually, I do have to say I'm not exactly sure if it was verbo.
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B
Oh, goodness.
- [68:16]
A
She just rented the mansion all Right.
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B
Well, still. Still.
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A
All right, well, guys, that brings us to the end of the episode. We always ask, where do you want to be found? Baron?
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B
Where do I want to be found?
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A
Where you want to be found? We don't ask where you can be found. We just want you to be found. Where you want to be found. Found.
- [68:38]
B
I want to be found healthy and happy on my own podcast. Self quar on open mic. Eagles imprint, Stony Island Audio.
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A
Love Open Mike Eagle. He's been on our show. I love him.
- [68:53]
B
That's my guy. That's my dude.
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A
Any socials? Anything else? Yeah.
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B
Go to my website, Google, type my name. Your website's Google, and you will find me
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A
Baron's Google. Sorry, I should have said that. Up top.
- [69:09]
B
Yes. Ask Jeeves where I am. No, no. Baronvon.com. my socials. I'm on IG and Twitter. It's Bar Von Black. B A R, V O N B L A Q.
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A
Yes. Oh, my God. You're gonna love this. Why are we, like, so much the same person? But, guys, as always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, scam guys. Pod gmail.com. i just want to give you guys a note because y' all give me notes all the time. Y' all love to drag me. Your letters are too long. Okay. Make them shorter because I want to read them. But y' all be sending me novels, baby girl, and we can't do all that on earth. So you have to read through it and be like, is this necessary? Is this. Not if it's messy. If it's funny, leave it. But if it's long, you got to cut some things. Okay? Love y', all, though. Please keep sending me emails. Snitch on your friends and family@scamgodispotgmail.com if you want to find us. Scam Got his Pod on all platforms. If you want to listen to me and my personal shenanigans, that's D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey. On all platforms. Congregation. Stay scamming Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me. Duh. Scam Goddess, AKA Lacy Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Paiz with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Stay.