The Feminist Fraud with Marie Faustin

Summary

Scam Goddess – "The Feminist Fraud" with Marie Faustin

Date: May 19, 2020
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Marie Faustin

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Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess explores the hilarious and outrageous world of scams, focusing especially on those “feminist” frauds who build their appeal around social activism while pocketing cash. Host Laci Mosley welcomes comedian and podcaster Marie Faustin (of The Unofficial Expert) to break down the infamous scams of Anna March—a literary con artist who weaponized feminist and progressive causes to grift writers and organizations for decades. The duo also shares personal scam stories, critiques social systems that make scamming possible, and delivers it all in a signature sharp, irreverent style.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Intro & Guest Banter (00:19–07:44)

• Personal Catch-Up: Laci welcomes Marie, fresh from a flight, and jokes about YouTube makeup tutorials and mukbang videos.

  • Memorable Quote:
    Laci: “Some people watch YouTube just to watch people eat… Like, I do like that crab lady when she be eating a crab with the long nails.” (01:40)

• New York vs. LA Weather: The two riff on the confusion that is “LA temperature” when you’re from NYC, joking about needing a “weather-to-clothing” translation app.

  • Laci: “Temperature is a scam.” (03:18)

• Scam Origins: Marie describes her Haitian family’s “neck brace scam” after a car accident—everyone feigning whiplash for insurance money.

  • Marie: “My family's from Haiti, so, you know, that's all we know is scams… Everybody neck broke.” (03:44–04:10)

• Ethics of Scamming: They discuss separating admiration for scam ingenuity from the personal morality of scammers.

  • Laci: “Sometimes I’m not fucking with the scammer, like, sometimes scammers are bad, bad people. But I can with the scam that you did.” (05:53)

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2. What’s Hot in Fraud: Online Game and Marketplace Scams (07:44–19:59)

• Words with Friends & Online Game Scams (07:44–15:49)

  • Listener ‘Dick Van Dyke’ reports being targeted by a binary trading scammer on Words with Friends—touchpoints on how scammers target older users.

  • Laci and Marie detail how scammers approach people with financial “opportunities” and break down the red flags in the language.

    • Marie: “Anytime a white person gives you something for free, I feel like it’s a trap… Ah, nah, y’all giving away coronavirus.” (14:35)

• Furniture Marketplace Scams (15:49–17:20)

  • Marie shares her own close call: a scammer offers to overpay by check and asks for the difference back—a classic overpayment scam.
    • Marie: “I'm selling this for $75. I'm sending you a check for $300. I need you to send me the cash back.” (16:42)

• On Payment Methods: The importance of sticking to cash or digital payments and the risks of taking checks from strangers.

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3. Personal Scam Confessions (19:53–21:07)

• Amazon Mattress Refund “Hack”: Marie explains how she got a $1200 mattress for free by exploiting Amazon’s refund policy on certain brands. She cautions listeners that brands like Casper catch on, but Tuft & Needle might still work (as of recording).

  • Marie: “They let me keep the bed, and they gave me a full refund. And I've been sleeping on that bed for the last year and a half.” (20:01)
  • Laci: “Fuck Jeff Bezos!” (20:51)

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4. Deep Dive—Historic Hoodwinks: The Saga of Anna March (24:12–54:31)

Who Is Anna March? (24:12–28:29)

• Anna March is the main alias of Nancy Lof(t), a prolific con artist who targeted the progressive literary scene.

• She used a string of aliases: Anna March, Delaney Anderson, Nancy Cruz, Nancy Lott.

• Her appeal: marketed herself as an intersectional feminist, supporting LGBTQ+, race, and trauma survivors—gathering trust from marginalized communities.

  • Laci: “She is scamming every minority in every box… What a white lady.” (28:24)

San Diego Writing Center Scam (31:49–39:41)

• Bluffed a background with White House connections; became director of a nonprofit for writers.

• Staged elaborate literary galas with fake prizes, invited famous authors, and embezzled funds until the center was evicted for non-payment.

• Classic move: resigning via a note on the door (à la “Sex and the City” post-it moment).

  • Marie: “She hit her with the Sex and the City post-it: ‘I’m sorry, I can’t.’” (37:46)
  • Laci: “Whoever is working with the money, there should always be someone auditing them. […] They always hire a hater.” (38:13)

Washington D.C. & Public Radio Fraud (39:41–46:45)

• ‘Nancy Cruz’ launches a fundraising agency, secures $677,916 from 15 radio stations, and distributes only scant payments.

• Employees’ paychecks bounce; health insurance premiums deducted but not paid—leaving employees uninsured.

  • Marie: “401-not-OK.” (44:53)
  • Laci: “If I go to the doctor and I don't have health insurance, and I've been paying you for health insurance, Nancy, you gonna get your ass beat.” (45:27)

LA Writer Scene & The GoFundMe Grift (54:41–61:40)

• Reinvents herself as Anna March in LA; throws lavish parties funded by scammed money ($22,000 bill at the Ace Hotel).

• Sends “confidential” GoFundMe links to the literary community, mixing sob stories to maximize donations.

• Uses intersectional feminism as cover while bullying, underpaying, or not paying marginalized writers.

  • Laci: “She said, tragedy struck everywhere… Sars. West Nile. Black Plague. My homies.” (59:16)

ROAR Magazine Scam (61:13–66:41)

• Founds 'ROAR,' a feminist digital publication, fundraising $49,000, but rarely pays writers.

• Appoints women of color to bogus editorial roles, pressures them to plagiarize, then pays a pittance.

• Persistent tactic: exploiting the need for community and “representation” to access donations & labor.

  • Marie: “[She] was bullying black women to do work that they didn’t get paid for.” (67:18)
  • Laci: “Just know if you don’t pay me, I will show up at your home.” (67:35)

• Anna remains free and at large, continuing attempts at organizing events and fundraising.

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5. Scammer of the Week: Paul Zimmer/Troy Becker (69:02–73:45)

• The Scam: Social media influencer Paul Zimmer is “canceled” for soliciting money from fans in exchange for empty promises. He rebrands as a younger “Troy Becker” to evade consequences, but internet sleuths quickly unveil his ruse.

  • Laci: “So Paul Zimmer tried to create a fake identity as Troy Becker, a younger, more attractive actor. […] He was promising things like personal videos, DMs for cash donations, without actually following through.” (69:04, 69:47)

  • Marie on rebranding: “He would post things like, because he’s one of the dopest people I know. He’s literally my much younger twin. I believe Troy is like 15 or 16... Hahaha.” (71:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Laci: “You can’t become a billionaire without at least one person dying. And even if it’s inadvertently, it’s still your fault.” (23:09)
• Marie (on anti-vaxx fears): “If they’re giving something away, I don’t want it.” (14:58)
• Laci (on online romance/game scammers): “Anybody trying to offer you an opportunity to make money—when there’s a good amount of money to be made, rich white people aren’t sharing that information with anyone.” (14:08)
• Marie (on being a lifelong scammer): “I feel like all the scams that I’ve ever run have been, like, safe.” (18:43)
• Marie (on Anna March’s book column): “Wait, hold on. She was supposed to write an abortion story a day? How many kids is it killing over there?” (64:34)

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• 00:19–07:44: Intro, guest banter, personal “entry” into scams, and social commentary on weather and YouTube.
• 07:44–19:59: Listener letters, online game and Facebook Marketplace scam breakdowns, and Marie’s Amazon mattress scam story.
• 24:12–68:41: Historic Hoodwinks: Step-by-step exposé of Anna March’s frauds (writing centers, public radio, feminist media, GoFundMe, etc).
• 69:02–73:45: Scammer of the Week: Paul Zimmer aka “Troy Becker”.

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Style, Tone, and Takeaways

The episode uses sharp wit, sarcasm, and candid conversation to make sense of both petty and egregious scams. Marie and Laci balance critique with empathy for victims while lampooning the systemic gaps that scammers exploit. Scamming is seen as both survival and predation, with plenty of warnings about letting optimism, community, or “free” offers override common sense.

Final Reminder

Scams, big or small, prey on need, aspiration, and trust. Always double-check, vet who handles money, demand oversight, and remember: “Stay schemin’!”

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Find Marie Faustin:

• Instagram: @reeezy (R + three E's + ZY)
• Podcast: The Unofficial Expert

Scam Goddess:

• All platforms: @ScamGoddessPod
• Host: @divalaci

Closing words:
Laci: “Stay scheming!” (74:52)

Transcript

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Scams, robbery and frauds.

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Scams.

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Cause robbery and fraud.

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All right, guys, we are back with another installment of Scam Goddess. What's up, y'?

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All?

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It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And shout out to the congre and to the interwebs and the Internets because y' all are always demanding. And I am saying demanding because y' all are rude new guests. You want who you want, when you want it. And guys, it worked out this time. I've got the co host of the bomb ass podcast, unofficial expert, a black queen, Marie Foston in the building. What is up, Marie?

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Sis, I'm so happy to be here.

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You are just. Sis, this just came, like, from the plane.

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Fresh off the flight, you know, just sitting in coach, just doing poor people things with poor people. I'm super excited to be here.

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I'm excited to have you. I love your eyeliner. Like, you and Sid always have, like, the cutest beat.

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Do you know how many tutorials I had to watch on YouTube to figure

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out how to do this? I love a tutorial. Truly.

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Shadora tutorial.

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I just want them to stop talking so much. Like, I don't find you interesting. I just want to learn how to do the thing. And they.

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I don't know, sis. Some people, like, they watch YouTube videos just to. I don't know. Some people are weird. They like, we were just talking about this. They'll watch people eat on YouTube.

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Like, I do like that crab lady when she be eating a crab with the long nails. They might be long, actually. Yes.

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I'm about to start eating too. I'm gonna start eating string cheese.

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I feel like I got string cheese

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and just be like, what should I do with that?

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I feel like I got in the game too late. I will watch you eat string cheese.

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No, no, no.

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You got good lips. You got, like. I will watch that.

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Oh, my God. Wow. You looking at my cupid's bow right now.

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That's like the Rihanna cupid's bo.

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I was here first.

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Honestly, yours is deeper.

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Thank you.

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I think you beat her on it.

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Thank you so much. You know what I've been doing? Cause this makeup artist that I used to work with used to put, like, a little bit of highlight on my cupid's bow, and I do that now. And now people can't stop looking at my lips when I talk.

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I love it. It's great. I can't. But yeah. So wait, why did I even bring that up? I can't even remember. Y' All. I promise it's not gonna be as tangential as we normally are, but maybe not. I can't make no promises. So you know what? You're just gonna have to deal. But, God. Okay, so wait, you are from New York City?

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Born and raised.

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Yes. I love the energy. Yes.

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You see my hat?

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Oh, yes.

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It's Brooklyn on it. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's so cute. The whole vibe is just. It's so cute. It's so stylish.

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Well, you know what it is, is it's cold in New York right now. And I checked the weather before I came here, but still did not pack the right stuff.

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Everyone that I know from New York does the same thing. Do you know Jerad Milligan?

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I don't know.

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Well, he does, like, an astronomy club and some other stuff, but he's on the show. Eventually his episode will come out too, either before or after this. So maybe I'll. Maybe I don't yet. But he literally walks around in leather jackets. And I was like, you're in Los Angeles.

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Yeah, but, like, I don't know what temperature means anymore.

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Temperature is a scam.

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It's a scam. Well, because, like, I'll see. Like, what is 50 degrees? Do I need a jacket? Do I need a coat? Do I need a sweater off the shoulder? Like, what does 50 degrees mean?

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I don't know. That would be a good app, like, if someone took the weather and translated it into clothing. Don't steal my idea.

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Copyright it.

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Trademark trademarked. Period, period minstrel. So if y' all try to steal my shit, I will sue you. Cause it's right here.

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Right here.

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But what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed?

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Oh, siste. My family's from Haiti. So, you know, we. That's all we know is scams. Okay. My dad got hit by a car once. Actually, we were all in a car, and we all just. Everybody neck broke.

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We were all like, ooh.

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And we were kids. Like, y' all got hit by a

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car and then everybody put on neck braces.

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Yes. You were laughing, but that's what happened. We were like. We reached under the seats and we were like, ha, ha.

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We came out like Tiny Tim.

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Yes, please, sir. My neck and my back just. Everybody was hurt. I feel like some money came out of that. I don't know where that money went, but I love a scam.

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Yes.

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I love taking things from people and getting it for free.

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See, we're gonna be on the same page here, because sometimes we get people who, like, they don't like scams. Cause they feel bad about it a lot of times. Yes.

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White people be scamming things, too.

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Listen, their whole white people's whole existence a scam. All y' all have done from the

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beginning of time is scam and take, take. And then y' all be like, no,

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we sold it fair and square.

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We.

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We bought what, Manhattan for $24 from the Indigenous people.

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They were like, yeah, but it was just rocks when we got here. Yeah. Is that what it was?

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Is that what it was?

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It was rocks and people.

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It was people there, too. You know, I went on a wine tour and.

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Okay, wealthy.

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No, those things are very basic. It reminds me of, like, a carnival cruise. I guess it's not that bad. But we went to Malibu Wines, and there was a cave. And this little white boy was tell history of this cave. And he was like, these drawings are from the indigenous people, and they're of the Spanish people and, like, all the white colonists. And they were so impressed by the fire that they made. And they had never seen fire before, and they were impressed by the horses. And I was like, who drew this on here? Because it was no indigenous people. Y' all know, y' all made up

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this somebody named Craig. A Bobby. A Bobby with, like, an arts degree.

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Tell me Native American people had never seen fire. I find that very difficult to believe.

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Sorry. What was they cooking they corn with? What was they making they maize with, bruh.

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How they cooking that buffalo?

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They were breathing on it.

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Come on, everyone gather around.

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How hot you want it?

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You gotta get a temperature on it.

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Hot.

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Like, come on, now. But so, yeah, white people, y' all know y' all be scamming. But, yeah, people come on here and they'll be more empathetic with. And I get it. Cause sometimes I'm not fucking with the scammer. Like, sometimes scammers are bad, bad people. And I'm like, I can't with this, but I can with the scam that you did, but not who you are as a person.

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Okay, Okay.

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I can separate the two.

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Okay.

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I can't do that with R. Kelly, but I can do that with scammer.

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Okay, well, I mean, yeah, yeah.

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Something.

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That's something else also.

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He's still alive, right?

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That's the difference, I think.

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I feel like when R. Kelly dies, maybe you can step in the name of love.

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I don't know. I don't. I'm actually. He had this. He had a couple songs that we enjoy that, like, I miss a little bit. But, like, I don't know.

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We got Ursha Raymond out here making hits and R and B joints from the Nine Nines.

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I still listen to Michael Jackson, though.

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Well, Michael's dead. Dead. And like no amount of money that we stream is going to go to Michael abusing anybody. But on the other hand, R. Kelly is a very much alive, live, and every cent you give him, he is using for abuse.

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That being said, there is some crossover. R. Kelly did write some of Michael Jackson's songs that we have.

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You know how many songs R. Kelly wrote for other people?

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Which is crazy because he can't read.

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You know, when they say wrote, I don't think they mean physically. He had wrote that.

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Well, he's in the studio. Like we gonna say there, and then

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there's somebody in the corner writing it down, transcribing, right? And then he's like, what did I say?

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Read it back to me.

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We can make fun of R. Kelly being illiterate because he's a terrible person.

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Yeah.

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All right, guys, so let's get to our first segment here. What's hot in fraud? So this is where I get a letter from you guys. And y' all have been sending the spiciest letters. This is where a congregation, which is what we call our listeners, love it. Snitch on their friends and family, rat out whomever, whenever. And I love it like, this is the only place you should dry snitch. And that's my inbox. Dry snitch all day. So this one comes from. I'll call him Dick Van Dyke.

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Okay.

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And Dick Van Dyke says, I still play Words with Friends because I got friends with words, you know. Okay, look at you.

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Try back a little jokey joke.

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Okay. Ha ha ha. Anyway, the app has been desperately throwing random game startups at me for a while to keep me coming back and exiting out of the Scam Mobile thing. So basically saying the game or like, you know, get all glitchy on him and stuff. Just trying to make sure he gonna keep coming back. Coming back, right? And he says the game in itself is a scam, which I do fall for. And recently the randoms have started to send me messages. So I thought this was interesting because I play online games too. I'm not a video gamer. I don't like remote, like, controls. Like, it's just not my bag.

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You're a grown up.

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See, don't do that. I want the game community coming after me. Y' all grown, y', all, y' all play y' all little Sonics and which I'LL be playing Red Dead Redemption. I don't know, child.

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Y' all little Grand Theft Autos or

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whatever, you gotta put a little in front of all.

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Yeah, your little. Your little game. Your little Mario Karts, right?

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Y' all keep playing. Y' all the games. I used to play Grand Theft Auto, but then I realized I was just playing like a sociopath. Cause I never did none of the challenges.

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You would just fight.

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I would fight. I would steal cars, and I would have sex with the sex workers, and then I would steal the money back.

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Oh, wow.

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I was horrible on Grandpa.

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I'm a terrible person. That's why I stopped playing Grandpa from the sex community.

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I know, I know.

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Wow.

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But it was not in real life. It was online.

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But you were doing it, and you were enjoying it. You were like, she thinks she gonna get some money after this dick.

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Which guys, you should pay your sex workers. Don't be doing that shit. That is theft. But, yeah. So that's why I stopped playing. Cause I was like, I might be morally bankrupt. Like, let me get off this game. But I do play online spades, which is the oldest and blackest thing that I've ever.

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Oh, I can't play spades. I never learned how to play Marie. Yeah. But I'm like a different type of black, you know?

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Brody, I'm gonna need you to go ahead, come in here. We gonna have to cancel the episode. Brody.

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Brody, can you play spades?

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Brody, can you play spades? You know I can't play spades.

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I was gonna say he mad light skin. I know he can't play spades.

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Why do I have all these?

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I'm just saying.

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Okay, can you, though? Yes. What's it called when you throw them off? I got Google right here. No, that's that you do not learn dominoes off of Google. I have so many non carrying black. No non card carrying black people around me right now.

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So sorry, friend, I'll try better, but.

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So I play online spades, and I have, like a cute picture up. And the online spades dudes be sending me flowers in the online game, and they be sending me spades money.

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Spades money. But they not sending you no Venmo money.

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I guess if I engage with them, I probably could get some. Cause they do DM me on the spades game and be like, what's up, beautiful? I just. I don't. I don't have the capacity to engage with people under false circumstances or pretenses, rather.

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So Is it spades.com? what is the Website that you on?

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Uh, no, it's an app and it is called. What is it called? I think it just might be called Spades.

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Okay.

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Oh, it's called Spades Plus. And I. It is so accessible on my phone because I play it so much.

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Okay.

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Spades Plus. But I love it. So I get getting on a game and playing with people and engaging with them. Sometimes people will be trying to throw shots at me. Haters and shit. Like, they'll send me, like, a fish or something to the table because they hate on me. Yeah. It be real. Sometimes

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a fish, like, they just throw a fish on the table and it pops up on your screen.

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Yes. Like, and it'll sit on my screen where my cards are until I, like, either buy myself a drink or something to, like, replace it. But people be rude.

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Okay.

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Yeah. So I get engaging with people online. So he says he plays with strangers all the time, but everyone knows that, like, what we're here for. And nobody bothers chatting. So that's me for the most part, too. I'll be chatting with these spades. So they come lay your towels down, collect the dopamine, whatever. Okay. So he is painting me a picture. All right. Dick Van Dyke. So anyway, let's get to the point. He said that some scammer started targeting him and, like. And, like, playing like he was 60 years old instead of 26. So Dick Van Dyke is 26, and the scammer thought he was older because obviously, like, older people like this type of game. Like, my mom and my dad play Words with Friends. Like, my mom's 50, so I guess she's not old. But, like, my mom and my dad play Words with Friends. They love that shit.

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Yeah.

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So these are the screenshots that Dick sent me. I wanna say the scammer's name, but I'm not gonna out him like that.

[A]

Ooh.

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So the scammer starts off with like, hello, how are you doing today? Nice to meet you here. Doesn't sound like a human already. Yeah. Dick was like, yeah, what's up?

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Hello.

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Hello, how are you? And so the scammer was like, where are you from? And how is the weather condition over there?

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Oh, that sound like a bot.

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A bot or, like, not an American? Are you filtering this through Google Translate? Rosetta Stone.

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Duolingo du.

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Go for scammers. I'm gonna start doing lingo for scammers. I got y'.

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All.

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I got y'. All. So I don't know why, but Dick is still talking. He said, Ohio, Chile. Would you like to tell me about your trading scheme. So. Wait a minute, Dick. So you knew what he was gonna do? Yeah, I guess so. The scammer says, I'm a stock broker and binary trade expert. Are you familiar with it? Binary trade options is just like any other business, but in this case, more sophisticated and advanced. When you invest, your money goes through the market and is used for professionals should know how to trade with these currencies with years of experience and software available.

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That just sounds like the stock market.

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Yeah, bro. What? What do you mean?

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Okay, he.

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Yeah, he pretty much described stocks. The stock.

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Okay.

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Other investment slash businesses need up to a month to give returns and profit which might not even be guaranteed. He has some typos and a high risk of loss. Unlikely. Binary trading. That's the name. I don't like anything with unlikely in it. That's like unlikely you will ever see your money.

[A]

That's unlikely you gonna make it home? It feels like I'mma die, right?

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I like to make it home. So unlikely trading, they say where your profit is get gotten weekly and is always guaranteed when you're in the hands of expert trader. And best of all, little to no risk because the technology and software that's being used. So then Dick Van Dyke Gang say nothing back. And then he goes. A day later, the scammer goes, are you there?

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Unlikely. Right?

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And then Dick responded, this is at best a Ponzi scheme. And then. Yeah, so he understood what it was. Right. But that's. Anybody trying to offer you an opportunity to make money. Like when this is what I've learned from rich white people. When there's a good amount of money to be made in something, they're not sharing that information with anyone.

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Yes, that. That part.

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Yeah.

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But like also, like anytime a white person gives you something for free, I feel like it's a trap. Like, that's why I've never gotten a flu shot. Cause, you know, they were like, they free at Walgreens and it's like, mm. You just giving these away to poor people. Ah, nah. Y' all giving away coronavirus. I was like, I'm not. You know what I mean? Like, if it's brie.

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Are you an anti vaxxer?

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No, I've like, I got. I've gotten all my shots and everything. But if free, if they're like giving something away, I don't want it.

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I get that. I get that. I mean, flu shots, I think the reason that they do it is because it only works if we all get it so that we can Protect babies and old people. I don't get them either because I don't want the flu.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I've had like, you get.

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Girl, listen, I'm not gonna be. Don't. Don't.

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We not anti vaxxers.

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Do not tweet me about how I need to get a flu shot. I know.

[A]

Okay, listen, I eat my vegetables, I eat my fruits. You know, I get a lot of vitamin C in my body. I'm. I'm good.

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We're not anti vaxxers.

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Okay.

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But yes, I understand what you're saying, like, when it comes to free things. But this is crazy to me because it's like we're on a game where we're just playing Scrabble or whatever. Like, why are you trying to offer me a business opportunity? And in what world do you think that I would think that was legitimate?

[A]

I don't know. I don't. But there are people who fall for these things. That's why they keep popping up. Right. Like, I just moved into a new apartment. It's a one bedroom. She's doing really well. Yes. And I was trying to get rid, like sell some stuff and I put it on like Facebook marketplace or like some random like apps or whatever. And people were like, oh, I wanna buy this. Can I write you a check?

[B]

Ooh, check?

[A]

Yeah, a check.

[B]

No, we don't do.

[A]

No, I'm gonna send you a check by express overnight. And it's like, what?

[B]

What?

[A]

No, just Venmo me. And it's like, no, no, no. I'm just gonna send you the money and it's gonna be too much. So I need you to send me the cash back.

[B]

What?

[A]

Like that's on like furniture website. That's what they're doing. That's the new scam that they doing over there.

[B]

So everybody's trying to run this con.

[A]

Yeah. I'm gonna send you a check. A certified check.

[B]

By who? By whom.

[A]

It's like, well, I'm selling this for 75. I'm sending you a check for 300. I need you to send me the cash back.

[B]

What? What?

[A]

No. Send yourself the check and then you take the money. Like, what are you. What words are you saying?

[B]

Yeah, and it's crazy because if you are desperate or if you see an opportunity, you might be like, oh, let me try it. That's what we call our despo meter. Like, you got to check in with yourself and think about like, how bad do you want this? And is that clouding your judgment? So if I guess. If you really need 300? You might be like, oh, better. If you really need to sell your furniture, you might be like, sure, it sounds great. But I don't understand in what world you think you're going. I won't take a check from you in person.

[A]

Okay, a check.

[B]

You could call your bank, have them on the phone. They could read out your balance, and then you could write a check. I could take my app out, screenshot it on the app and deposit. Still wouldn't take a check.

[A]

Just digitally send me my money.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or give me cash.

[B]

And those are the only forms of currency that we're taking.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Absolutely. Like, y' all are playing out here. I saw. I was. I was at the hair salon last night, and this older lady wrote a check. But, I mean, they knew each other, so she was like, it was okay if I write you a check? And she was like, yeah, sure. But they had been doing each other. She had done her hair for a long time. But I was thinking, like, bro, that's wild to even have checks on you.

[A]

You just had pulled out a checkbook, like, off now, like, 1992.

[B]

Like, I don't got checks on me personally, ever, sis.

[A]

My new landlord takes checks, and I haven't written a check in so many years, if ever. And the first rent check that I wrote was wrong. She was like, this is not how you fill these out.

[B]

You gotta Google it.

[A]

I googled it and still did it wrong.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

She was like, that's not what the number. I was like, ah, ah. Can I cross it out? She was like, no.

[B]

Like, for what money? Okay, I put my name here.

[A]

Okay, where do I sign? What does memo mean?

[B]

Should I write you a note?

[A]

Is it me? Mo? Is it me? Should I write my favorite meme here? She was like, that's not how you do it.

[B]

I drew a picture of baby Yod girl. Is problematic acceptable.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. I feel like all the scams that I've ever run have been, like, safe.

[B]

Right? Right. I don't know what your scams are in particular, but I know I might have to tell you.

[A]

I could tell you one right now.

[B]

Yeah, wait, I do want to know one before we move on.

[A]

Okay, so I have a friend. Okay, so, okay. This dude that I was banging.

[B]

Wow. This friend changed so quickly.

[A]

It's like, are we friends?

[B]

I have an acquaintance. Oh, no, no.

[A]

This guy that I was hooking up with was telling me that he got his mattress for free. He got one of those, like, bed in A box mattresses. And he was like, you gotta order it. You gotta order your mattress from Amazon. And it, you know, like a Casper mattress or like a tuft and needle or whatever. And if you tell them that you don't want it anymore, Amazon is not coming to pick the bed up, but they'll refund you your money, but it has to be a certain brand. So I was like, oh, bet. So I ordered a mattress, a queen size bed. They delivered it, I slept on it for a couple days. And then I was like, you're Amazon. This is not working. Come get this bed. And they're like, ah, what if we give you a 50% refund? And I was like, ah, still, I don't want the bed. Come get it. And they were like, okay, we're gonna give you your money back. What? You gotta get rid of the bed yourself. I'm like, well, who? What?

[B]

What? I'm like, what?

[A]

So they let me keep the bed and they gave me a full refund. And I've been sleeping on that bed for the last year and a half.

[B]

And yo, congregation, I mean, and then

[A]

I talked about it on my podcast and a bunch of listeners tried and it didn't work for them, so. Damn.

[B]

Okay, they might be up on game, y', all, so just do it if you know you're gonna already need the bed.

[A]

Well, the bed that I did it with, a tuft and needle. Queen size bed. Casper will come get they stuff.

[B]

Yeah, Casper don't call it.

[A]

Casper is like. Like, Amazon will call Casper. And Casper's like, oh, we on the way.

[B]

Casper's like, bet.

[A]

They're like rolling it up like a burrito. And they will take it out of the house.

[B]

But they're like, where she live at 17 flights of stairs. Yep, we'll we up there.

[A]

We sending some drones to get that game. Open your window, miss, Throw it outside. Yeah, but I got my plan.

[B]

They said these beds are comfortable. Somebody will take this shit.

[A]

Well, I mean, it's like a $1,200 mattress.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, no, you're not playing with that. I mean, that's funny as hell. I mean, guys, fuck Jeff Bezos, okay? You know, we don't like his ass on this. Fuck. Fuck him.

[A]

That's such a good night's sleep too.

[B]

He has so much money, so don't worry. Get. Take your bed back.

[A]

Didn't he just buy the most expensive house in LA or something?

[B]

Yes, and someone did it, like, the math. And it was like the. Because it was like 150 how much was Jeff Bezos house? Something rude, because basically somebody told me that if your salary was $60,000 a year, it would be like buying a house for $75. Oh, like. Like in comparison to how much money he has and how much money he has. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He bought this house for $165 million.

[A]

Shattered. Well, who had the record before?

[B]

Like, it looks like Versailles is what people are.

[A]

Nine acres.

[B]

And he beat Murdoch. One of the Murdochs. Go up, go up. Stop right there. It says Lachlan. That is the whitest name. Lachlan Murdoch had purchased $150 million house last year in Bel Air, and that was the top. And then Jeff Bezos came beat him by purchasing a $156 million place. Well, it's a house.

[A]

$165 million.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

$165 million bedrooms and.

[B]

Or it's like location. It's like the price of all the houses around it, right? Then it's like space. Then it's like bedrooms, and it's like technology. And, you know, it's also like, how close can niggas get to it?

[A]

Well, that's why it's so expensive.

[B]

They can't get close at all, you know? Is there a force field that keeps the melanin away?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The. The maid is white. That's how, you know they're like, ah, this house is so expensive that the maid is a white lady.

[B]

Right. But not a regular white lady. She's definitely from Europe. Right, right, right, right, right. They're all, like, Swedish or, like, Eastern European, but they're definitely.

[A]

Yeah, like, vintage beige.

[B]

Yeah. This is so rich that just no one white is.

[A]

They're like, black people can't even work here, so.

[B]

No, absolutely.

[A]

That's why it's worth more. That is crazy.

[B]

That's absolutely insane. So guys use that master scam because you're. Fuck Jeff Bezos.

[A]

Get your money, honey.

[B]

And Jeff Bezos is a nasty. Here's the thing about becoming a billionaire. You can't become a billionaire without at least one person dying. And it. Even if it's inadvertently, like, it's still your fault.

[A]

Nah, he got dead bodies in his basement.

[B]

He got bodies, bruh. There's so many people who have died at Amazon or who have worked themselves to the point where they can no longer function or bedridden. And you know what? He's just hiring more people. It's chattel at this point, so. Just chattel.

[A]

He's using those dead bodies to fill These mattresses. And let me tell you what a good night's sleep. It' sister asleep. So good.

[B]

Oh, my God. We'll be right back after some non scam advertisements. Scams cunt. All right, guys. And we are back. And it's time for my favorite segment of the podcast. Say it with me. Historic Hoodwinks. Yes. You say it in your car and I'll pretend I heard you. Yes, sis. Yes, bro.

[A]

You know, I didn't get the script, so I didn't know that we were saying it.

[B]

You good. You gave enthusiasm, though. That's. That's just enough, Marie. So today, so story Hoodwinks is where I'm gonna regale Marie with a very famous or infamous caper scam that we're really just standing for. And we're just gonna get your opinions, okay? You know, all throughout. So today our story code week is about Anna March. And Anna March is a literary scammer who first appeared around 2011 when she started publishing online. But before that, she was known by different names in different cities. Anna March Delaney. She was known by Ann March, Delaney Anderson, Nancy Cruz, and Nancy Lott. So I feel like Anna started with Anna March. And then she was like, okay, you know, I'm gonna change my name to Delaney. Then she was like, oh, you know, I'm change my name to Nancy. And then she was like, okay, I can't remember no more new first name. So I'm just change the last name this time.

[A]

Because I feel like if. If you change your name, don't you forget that you changed your name at some point.

[B]

And then also, what if somebody hit you from your past life and then they calling you the other name? It just said a lot.

[A]

It just also, like, my memory is trash. I be smoking too much, so I can't remember these things.

[B]

Like, there's too many things to remember.

[A]

I would just introduce myself as the wrong thing after, like, the third name, right?

[B]

I'd be like, hey, yeah, yeah, it's me, Delaney. Nancy Delancey, the man. Anna, man, what did you hear?

[A]

Yeah, what did I say to you last time? That's what my name is today.

[B]

It's like the opposite of when, you know, you meet somebody too many times and then. And when you've met them so many times, you cannot ask them their name again because you look like a dick.

[A]

See, and I'm bad with faces and names. So I be talking to people and I'm like, nice to meet you. While they're saying, marie, good to see you again. And I'd be like, so now I just. When I see people, I'm just like, hi. I just. I don't know anybody's name.

[B]

I try. If I'm with somebody, I'll pimp them. I'll be like, go at. Go say your name. And then they gonna say theirs. And I'm listening.

[A]

Sometimes that doesn't work. Cause sometimes they won't say their name right. You know what I mean? Every once in a while they just be like, good to meet you. And you be like.

[B]

Like, yeah, yeah, no. Okay, yeah, then I do. Boo. Bae, sweetie, homie. Love all of those. And then I'll try to get them to like, pull up something on Instagram so I can see their name on this. I'm like, did you see this new video? Yeah, but sometimes you.

[A]

Sometimes you're not following them. You're not following them. And like too much time has passed and it's like, we too much. Like, there's so many people on Instagram that I'm friends with in real life that I didn't follow in time. And now it's too late. I feel like for me to follow them back.

[B]

No, I mean, like, have them pull up their Instagram on they phone. They don't have to know if you follow them. And then I look at they name.

[A]

It's so hard to like. It's hard.

[B]

I'mma get the name. You gonna tell me the name and I'm gonna get it without the embarrassment of forgetting.

[A]

But now how many people are you texting that you didn't save their number and you have no idea who it is, which you've had full conversations with? Cause I'm also there.

[B]

Okay. That's very fuck girl behavior.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Just like, hey, 203 lol.

[B]

I only do that for people if I'm like, okay, they're expendable. But if they stay, I try to like, put a picture in.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. I'll make. And that's for anybody. Don't think you're special if you see your photo in my phone.

[A]

I guess I'm just raggedy. I'm just a raggedy ass human being.

[B]

I only do that for club numbers. If it's like for the weekend in Vegas and you about to get us at the spots and at the tables and cook and give us dinner and lunch, then I'll have it not saved.

[A]

Okay. Cook and dinner and lunch. Okay. Cute. Sis, I'm riding with you.

[B]

Oh, we used to. I used to go to Vegas and not pay for anything.

[A]

We love it.

[B]

No meal, no parties.

[A]

Okay, what's your summer looking like?

[B]

What you doing for the summer? Where else you got to go to work, Chad. Okay, we have made a tangent. We are back. Okay? Because some of y' all be.

[A]

Yeah, Delaney, Nancy, Anna.

[B]

Yeah, you get it. So she made friends with accomplished authors, especially writers, trying to find a way into the writing world. She branded herself as an intersectional feminist. Okay, Intersectional. So she was trying to get with the black bitches, too. She was, like, intersectional feminist. Okay. Sensitive to issues of race, class, and LGBTQ concerns as well as gender, and supportive of victims of trauma. So this tells me that she is scamming every minority in every box.

[A]

An ally.

[B]

What? A white lady. She was like, I'm gonna position myself as an ally.

[A]

Rachel Dolezal. We heard you, sis. I'm sorry, Oetchi.

[B]

Or whatever her new name is now Nancy. Nancy Adoles all. So she positioned herself as a connection between worlds. The published and the unpublished, the successful and the hopeful. So she was a socialite, out here talking to everybody at everybody's thing. So who she really was, the woman who introduced herself to Angelinos as Anna March, was born. Nancy Loft. So Nancy Loft is her real. Nancy Loft is the real Gummet. She was raised in Maryland, and her mother was involved in local Democratic politics. Court records show that Nancy Loft, with the same birthday, pleaded guilty in a case involving a political campaign. So my sister's been doing crime in so many different areas, and I really just admire her ambition when it comes to fraud and. And. And being her commitment to it, you know?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Her commitment to chicanery is really worthy of being praised. She's gone to different industries. It's just hall of fame. Love it. Definitely play the. The Scammers hall of Fame.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So according to the report from the Maryland State Prosecutor for fiscal year 1992, Nancy Lof was a treasurer of the political campaign and was ordered to pay restitution of $18,000, received psychiatric care, and served five years probation. So you so no go to jail. No, don't pass go. Don't collect $200.

[A]

And they let her keep her shoelaces. Wow.

[B]

So they have a quote from her that says in an open letter, she said, did I sign a campaign finance report with erroneous information nearly 30 years ago in 1990, when I was 21? Yes. Was I on five years probation and did I pay $18,000 in restitution? Yes. She writes in her open letter. The court records show that she did not complete her probation.

[A]

How do you not complete your probation, don't you just not have to get in trouble for five years?

[B]

Isn't that how probation have to, like, do hours of community service and things like that? Or not be brown or black? Right. Yeah. Cause we have to finish ours. But she was just like, I'm done.

[A]

She's like, I think I'm done. I think I. I think this feels like enough probation for me. Yeah, I'm full.

[B]

Yeah. Today I woke up, and I was really just feeling full of probation.

[A]

And I'm all set.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you so much, though. I'll see myself out. So later in her 20s, lot married and split from a man in New York. She kept his name cru, but she didn't use it right away. So she did get this new name legally by marrying some poor fool.

[A]

Tom Cruz heard it. Penelope Cruz's dad.

[B]

But it's like cru, not Cruise. I guess it sounds the same when I say it out loud.

[A]

Cruz with a Z or Kruse.

[B]

K, R U R O, K. Yes. Okay. I wasn't seeing K. Okay. Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So in the mid-1990s, she landed in San Diego, where she called herself Delaney Anderson. So this is a departure. Yeah.

[A]

What did you remember?

[B]

Remix Anderson for?

[A]

She was looking at. You know how when you see something and you're lying and you just, like, say the first two things?

[B]

Yeah. Those corny, like, movies where it's always like, my name is Lotion toothpaste.

[A]

Yes, Lotion toothpaste.

[B]

Hi, nice to meet you. Lotion toothpaste.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The third. Lotion toothpaste.

[A]

The third.

[B]

So, yeah, exactly like that. So one of her victims. So she moves, right? She lands in San Diego. She's calling herself Delaney Anderson. One of her victims was a woman named Judy Reeves. Judy is the former director of the Writing center in San Diego, a small nonprofit that provided classes and community for aspiring writers. So this is like a home for writers who are trying to get red honey. You know, they're passing around their scripts or. Or I don't know what you call. Manuscripts.

[A]

Manuscripts.

[B]

Manuscripts, Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, y' all are reading, giving each other notes, probably, and drinking red wine.

[A]

We know what happens.

[B]

You know, on top of old, smelly books.

[A]

Smells like. Like cigarettes or something. Like old people with mothballs. Because, you know, young people don't really

[B]

be reading books, but they be writing books, though. These are probably younger people if they have a writing club.

[A]

It's just in my mind, when I think authors, I still think old people.

[B]

You right. But it isn't. But you know what? That's. Cause young authors now. I. I'm sure there are a lot of legitimate young authors. I know there are for certain. But also now. And I guess you could have always done this, but a lot of books are, you know, like, Instagrammers have books.

[A]

Yeah. And they're New York Times bestsellers. Bestsellers. Snooki is a bestseller. Remember Snooki?

[B]

Yeah. I love Snooki, and so does Beyonce. Beyonce.

[A]

Beyonce loves. Did Snooki got an Ivy park box?

[B]

She didn't get a box. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But she did, like, run into. There's, like, video of it. I saw where, like, she ran into them, and she stopped Snooki, and she was like, I just love you.

[A]

That's a good Beyonce. I love you.

[B]

Right? It's just. Yeah, you got it.

[A]

Me.

[B]

They. And they recount.

[A]

They.

[B]

So they tell that story all the time. But. Yeah. So. Okay, Anderson, Remember, her name is now Delaney Anderson. Y' all stay with me. This is Nancy.

[A]

She.

[B]

Now. Now she. Delaney. She started as a volunteer. Judy Reeves says that she was so enthusiastic and full of good ideas that she hired her, making her the director. Delaney was charming, telling stories of how her mother worked for the White House and once ironed the pleats of Amy Carter's dress. That's Jimmy Carter's wife. The Jimmy Carter Presidential Library says that it has no records indicating that Cruz's mother ever a staff member.

[A]

Oh, damn. Her mom was the butler. Heard you. Her mother was. What's his name with the eyes from the movie?

[B]

Forest Whitaker.

[A]

Yes, her mom was Forest Whitaker.

[B]

Oh, they. Forest Whitaker. Not in the records. I can't. And not with the eyes.

[A]

Yes, with the eyes.

[B]

And I did the fingers she did to our king. So during Delaney's time in San Diego, she launched a gala called Literary Lights that included a fundraising auction. And she entirely enticed famous authors to come to San Diego to accept literary prizes. So she just made up a prize and using this foundation's name, which they've been around before, she came around and then started getting the girls to pull up for their accolades. And I'm sure when you're a writer, like, even if you're a famous writer, it's not like I don't know what John Grisham looked like. John Grisham could run over my foot.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And I'd be like, yeah, we not

[A]

looking at the inside jacket to see what these authors look like.

[B]

I can't even tell you what Stephen King looked like.

[A]

I was just thinking about that. I feel like he's bald and has glasses, though.

[B]

And he's so famous, he could walk in here right now and start telling some stories.

[A]

And we be like, sir, the bathroom is down there. You need to go unclog the toilets.

[B]

Get out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't care.

[A]

But also, like, that's the thing. People like awards.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you tell somebody they're getting honored, that's a scam. Damn. That's how you scam people.

[B]

It is.

[A]

People with egos are like, oh, I won something. Oh, you want me to come accept it at such and such place.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I'm pulling up now.

[B]

You want me to take photos of me at your event and post them so that you can get publicity for your event? I'm absolutely gonna do that. Right.

[A]

And you're like, oh, you need my social so me so I can get these photos?

[B]

Yeah, of course. Spaghetti images. They don't have them no more. Okay, social it is.

[A]

Okay. This is a new scam. I feel it. Okay, go ahead, friend.

[B]

So chasing them with prizes, right? Judy recalls that Delaney was presenting great financial reports. But in 1998, an eviction notice appeared at the writing center.

[A]

Oh, she wasn't paying the rent.

[B]

Oh, honey, no. My girl Delaney was delining her pockets with all of day money, day moneys. Oh, Delaney, you ain't right for this. You ain't right. So. So all of a sudden, they realize they broke when they are being evicted. Something like this actually happened to me where, like, my. One of my old roommates, when I lived with people, wasn't paying the rent for, like, three months, and I was trying to upgrade the apartment, and I was out of town and we all paid individually. I came back and I was like, ooh, I wanna get a washer and dryer here. And I wanna redo these. The kitchen.

[A]

You have an accent wall here.

[B]

And my landlord was like, yeah, that would be great, but you gotta pay the rent first. And I was like, what you talking

[A]

about, pay the rent?

[B]

And he was like, I'm drawing up eviction papers as we speak. So I have been scammed like this.

[A]

That happened to one of my friends, too. He was paying rent to his roommate. And his roommate was always, like, traveling, going to Europe. He's in South Africa. And they got evicted. Cause he was. He was using his rent money to travel the world.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And he was like, my passport is expired. Like, I haven't even been to them places. And he's like, well, your money has

[B]

damn your money shout out to you. Shout out to your coins. And that sucks. Cause when you have a roommate, if you get evicted, like, I had to pay it. She did pay me back for that, but I think that's cause she knew I was crazy. But if you get evicted, it doesn't matter if you were paying. Like, everybody gets an eviction on their credit and on their history. So I couldn't be having that. So this is bad for this writing center. So an emergency board meeting was scheduled with Delaney, but before dawn that day, she tacked a note to Judy's front door. I resign. I don't work for you anymore, Said the note.

[A]

That's it. She hit her with the Sex and the City.

[B]

Post it.

[A]

I'm sorry, I can't.

[B]

She's like, I live a note in the hallway. By the time you get, I'll be

[A]

far away, far away.

[B]

I'll be scamming somebody. That's for the Beyonce fans. Is this a Beyonce episode?

[A]

That's for Snooki. Yes. Her name.

[B]

Yes, that's for Snooki. But yeah, so she left a note and then dipped out. And technically, what are they going to do? I mean, they could try to find

[A]

her, but they don't even know her name.

[B]

And also, like, please hear me when I say this. Whoever is working with the money, there should always be someone auditing them. You should never just have one person who is solely responsible. No company has one person who is solely responsible for the money. They always hire a hater. You know, somebody who's had a hard life, you know, been just kicked around their whole life. And they watch that person and they get joy from hating. So they not gonna let you steal no money. You gotta hire one person to hand your money and a hater to watch. Watch them.

[A]

That's. Wow.

[B]

And. And she was just out here, like, first off, she was a volunteer when she first came in. Don't ever let nobody volunteer.

[A]

They said she went from volunteer right to director, though.

[B]

I mean, that sounds like.

[A]

How good were the stories that she was telling?

[B]

Sounds about White.

[A]

She. What a lovely young lady. Do you need a job as president of everything we do here?

[B]

Yeah. That was definitely on Judy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Judy, she went from volunteer to handles all your money with no.

[A]

No supervision, no oversight. Just wow.

[B]

But, you know, she was also. Gowns, beautiful gowns. She was getting the Grishams, the kings, whoever, to come down and accept these awards. So they're probably not paying attention.

[A]

Yeah, they're like, oh, she's doing a great Job.

[B]

Bang up job. Yeah, she banged up.

[A]

Bang up job.

[B]

So Anderson. That's her last name. Delaney Anderson. Remember? That's a fake name. She left San Diego and that name behind. How are y' all doing? Payroll for my sis. Well, she just. I guess she didn't need to get paid, huh?

[A]

She was still volunteer in their eyes.

[B]

She was paying herself handsomely too. Good for you, sis. So three years later, she was in Washington D.C. calling herself Nancy Cruz now. That's her married name?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She met and married a film historian, Andrew Smith, and landed a job in direct mail fundraising. Fundraising. This. This bitch, she loved fun.

[A]

What did her resume look like? Cause I feel like that's. I need to what her LinkedIn look like.

[B]

Truly, I do not know. But all I know is like, sis, if there's a fund to be raised, she gonna raise it.

[A]

She gonna raise it right into her

[B]

pocket and then she gonna raise up.

[A]

Okay. Sorry, I can't.

[B]

Sorry. That's literally what you left. Sorry, I can't. Don't hate me.

[A]

Exactly. Don't hate me.

[B]

I love it. So she met and married, filmed this film historian. And she landed a job in a fundraising, a direct mail fundraising company at a public radio station. So basically, she was doing direct mail fundraising for a public radio station. Wamu. At this time, nonprofits were transitioning. Many could see the possibility of using the Internet for fundraising, but they didn't have the expertise to begin. Cruise swooped in and created a consulting firm, Nancy Cruise plus partners.

[A]

Nancy Cruz plus Delaney and the other Nancy.

[B]

The other partners are just her old names. Yeah. So she does this with wamu as her first client, boasting a hundred fifty thousand dollars success on the company website. After her apparent success for WaMu, Cruz's company was hired to run a national online fundraising auction that encompasses 15 public radio stations, including KPCC. The contract. They got the contract because she played up her Quaker background and feminist beliefs. This is how she got. They said they got the contract and I got confused because I don't know who the they is.

[A]

Yeah, all the scammers.

[B]

These are all her names.

[A]

Also the is a Quaker.

[B]

Oh, Quakers are like peaceful. Like their religion is like all about peace and like about like just being chill. I had a Quaker friend.

[A]

You had a quaker friend in 20? 19. 20.

[B]

Yeah, she's. I think she's still a Quaker. Yeah. Shout out to Emily. But she's like one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life. She was telling me all about Quaker church and I was like this sounds lit.

[A]

Quaker church sounds lit.

[B]

I mean, it's quiet. It's very quiet.

[A]

Well, that don't sound lit. The service is short though.

[B]

Yeah, right. You know, you get your Jesus and go. You know, black churches be trying to have you there for three hours. I'd be like, Jesus does not need to be as nice satanic movie.

[A]

We gonna fellowship after this. It's gonna be food and then you stay for the food. But like, I don't.

[B]

I'm sorry, but that's after you've worked through the three and a half hours of service. And don't let it be no kind of showcase day where I gotta watch all y' all untalented children.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about it.

[B]

Talking about let em use you.

[A]

Look, God, like, take me now.

[B]

Lord God didn't give everybody the same instruments. Okay, guys, sometimes it's using it as singing, sometimes it's passing out programs. You gotta know what your strength is.

[A]

Maybe your strength is fundraising and singing. Okay?

[B]

Yes. Like our girl Delaney. So she got all of these fundraising opportunities. And I think this is happening because think about like public radio stations, think about the time period. This is like early 2000s. Right. Think about the fact that like these are probably all run by old ass white dudes who are so deeply out of touch.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And they just see a young person who's like, they're like, you know how to use the interwebs?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You made $150,000 for Winthorpe?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Well, sign us up.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You know, and she's like a feminist. They're like, oh, that's what the young people are talking about.

[A]

Quaker. So, so sweet.

[B]

Love it. So each of the 15 stations paid cruise and partners. And also when you're doing a company, you got to say you got partners. Right? She got damn partners. They paid her amounts of $8,700, 2 68, 400 to participate when the auction finished. Oh, so this is like, damn. So she ran an auction and she ran an auction for them. The revenue totaled 600,000, like $677,916. Which. So she did an auction, Right, right. Cruz sent $10,000 to nine of the stations, then no more, and the rest received no repayment at all.

[A]

So she had an auction.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She raised almost $700,000.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sent $10,000 to a couple people.

[B]

So basically she sent out $90,000. So she sent $10,000 out to nine stations. Like, congratulations, here's your fundraising that I owed you and no more.

[A]

Okay, so sis made off with a cool half a mil.

[B]

She doesn't get that greedy. Here.

[A]

Sis and partners.

[B]

Okay, why. Why did she just take 200 grand? Then nobody would be mad, right?

[A]

Because you know she's gonna take more after that.

[B]

Okay, so a fundraising professional who had joined her team, now she. She really got a team. And Partners recalls that some of her co workers paychecks bounced. And in her case, no deposits were made to her retirement account. So this wasn't. So she got paychecks, but she didn't get no 401k.

[A]

401. Not okay, right.

[B]

401k by 401k.

[A]

Thanks, bye.

[B]

Right. So previous employees of Cruise, in quotes, thought that they had insurance and had. That had been paid for. But when one of the staff members needed medical care and tried to use his insurance, he found out that he did not have any. So this bitch was taking money out of their checks, being like, this is going to the Blue Cross and the Blue Shield and was not paying anybody.

[A]

That's the Quaker way, baby.

[B]

Don't put that on Quakers. Don't put that on Quakers. I'm sorry. If you. If I go to the doctor and I don't have health insurance, and I've been paying you for health insurance, Nancy, you gonna get your ass beat. I'm gonna show up to work like everything is just fine. I'm gonna whoop your motherfucking ass.

[A]

Just tying my braids up just right.

[B]

I show up, you at the water fountain like, yeah, y' all watch the Bachelor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe he ain't choose Sarah Q. Anyways, the next thing you know, you got one of them water igloos upside the head. Are you kidding me?

[A]

Well, then she got really lucky because, like, it took them that long to need to go to the doctor, right?

[B]

She probably made like thousands and thousands of dollars off of nobody getting sick. She out here hiring the healthiest employees.

[A]

She like, well, let me see your physical fitness exam results.

[B]

She's like, why do I have to run a mile before the interview?

[A]

This is how we do it as

[B]

crews, partners, and then come back in and see if you're winded. Also, do you have any history of illness, maybe?

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Like, why are you asking me this exactly? But that's fucked up. I don't fuck with you, Nancy, when you doing this kind of shit, because, like, people's health care, and especially in America. No, girl, we don't fuck with that. In February 2005, Cruise abruptly shut down the Business. I'm sure by post it note as she does.

[A]

Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[B]

She notified clients by email technology.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That the company does not have any financial assets. Can you imagine working at a place and then you just get an email one day and they're like, hey, we ain't got no more money back.

[A]

Oh, listen, that happens more often than you know.

[B]

Oh, well, you live in New York City. That happens all the time. Do you know how many times I show up to a place that was open the day before and then it's closed?

[A]

When I was living in New York,

[B]

it would happen all the time. And I learned because I was talking to somebody about it, I was like, why are they shutting down? Like, not telling their employees and stuff? They're like, if you tell your employees that you're shutting down the business, but you want to keep it open for a few more days, they'll steal from you. So you have to just like have the last day of work be a secret from everybody. And then you just put the chains on the.

[A]

But just imagine like the people who like, they saving up or they buying tickets for a summer vacation with the family. You know what I mean? You making plans for the future. You trying to get a washer dryer, right? You trying to get a whisper shut toilet. And then you go to work and you're like, oh, wait. And it's never on like a Monday. It's probably like a Wednesday, you know what I mean? You just get up to go to work on a Thursday or a Tuesday and you're like way up. What? What?

[B]

Hello, Employment.

[A]

My key card not working, right?

[B]

And that's the other thing is like, this is not a bar. This is like a job job. So people probably pulling up to the joint, their key cards aren't working. They're like, M. Mr. Otis, Mr. Otis, let me in. Oh, you don't work here no more, Mr. Otis. Like, I'm sorry. Sorry.

[A]

I was told not to let y' all in. You haven't paid.

[B]

I gave you all them muffins.

[A]

They sure were good.

[B]

Well, I can't let you up in here now. Damn Nancy. You ain't right for this. Damn Nancy.

[A]

So this is a skill, though, to be able to do something like this for this many years in that many different places.

[B]

She's fantastic. Like the. And also the places she's working for, like, she works for a nonprofit. This is a business she started herself. So who's really going to be able to look for her other than the people who she employed and the thing about employees is, like, they normally don't have the resources to get like the best lawyers or like. And when you out here working the day to day, which I have done, I was. I'm not particularly interested in seeking like long term justice for something I'm probably more motivated by, like, I have to get another job. Right.

[A]

That's what your focus is first. Cause a lot of their checks were bouncing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they can't go to the doctor.

[B]

Check was like, I can't even sing that song. I just realized who made it. I'm like, bounce. And then I was like, oh, no, no, never mind.

[A]

Yikes.

[B]

That never happened. So that was the first time it happened. Ah, bad person. Black people. You. You know, four people are probably like,

[A]

it's in my head.

[B]

Happening.

[A]

You said bouncing.

[B]

I'm sorry, but it would be fun.

[A]

It's like Murder She Wrote.

[B]

You're clueing people. They already know. Anyway, whatever. Robbery and fraud. All right, so a report explained that Cruise's company received a large volume of payments from credit card companies which represented payments on auctions, and used those funds to make partial payments payment to the various public radio station without any regard for accounting for the proceeds. So basically, her company appears to have used the balance of money received for the auctions to pay operating expenses and other debts. So nobody was getting a return on their.

[A]

So the company, she was getting paid to provide the service that she was getting. Yes, she was providing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She just was taking all of the money.

[B]

Yes. So she was like, I'll take your money and pay some of my employees. Right? Some of them, I'll pay them, but I'll just like steal the insurance tax that I'm taking out.

[A]

Yo, that is wild.

[B]

But then I'll also take the money that you gave me, which is essentially so that I can run my business, and I'll pocket that.

[A]

But do you know how smart you have to be to be that evil? And if you're that smart, you could just keep making money.

[B]

You could have just done this legitimately. That's the crazy part about Nancy. Cause a lot of times I get scammers and I'm like, okay. Their whole industry is fraud, where it's like, you are very good at fraud. This is dabbling into, like, this could have been a legitimate corporation. Like, obviously there was a need for what you were doing. You got clients. Why not just be on the up and up?

[A]

Because the money's too slow.

[B]

Yeah. And. And our sis, Delaney Nancy, she want her money fast.

[A]

Delaney and partners Or Anderson Cooper or whatever the hell. She needs the money and she needs

[B]

all of that and she's willing to move. I love a bitch over located.

[A]

Oh, sis, u haul on, like, just on the property on the deck, just rhett to go.

[B]

She's like, nancy, why do you always have that gassed up U haul like. And it's on.

[A]

Oh, that's my dad car. My uncle's staying here and he needs that.

[B]

Like, she's ready to flee from the authorities at any moment.

[A]

She wants her catch me if you can.

[B]

I stand that a little bit. I do. So while using the name Nancy Cruz and continuing to ingratiate herself with Ryder, she's still doing the Ryder hustle on the side, which I didn't not know. She's a multifaceted queen, really keeping up with these other things. So she told Mary Beth Fisher, a renowned novelist and essayist, that she had signed two book deals and had gone to the National Book Awards with her friend Malcolm Gladwell.

[A]

Okay, what is that?

[B]

What's the. Also like, this is fucked up, but I gotta tell y', all, Malcolm Gladwell on the Epstein plane. Anyways, he's on those logs. Messy. So Fisher recalls that cruise pointing to a picture of Malcolm Gladwell that was in the newspaper and saying that she was actually just out of frame. And they cropped her out.

[A]

Yes, they hit me with the diddy crop.

[B]

They hit me now. They diddy cropped me. I was in the.

[A]

If you look. That's my pinky right there.

[B]

You see that pinky? That's. Yeah. You see how it's a little.

[A]

It got a little hook. That's me.

[B]

That's my.

[A]

That's very unique, you know, that's my SNS right there. That's my.

[B]

I just got the gels.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You know how Malcolm B. You know.

[A]

You know, he's kind of short and I. I'm tall, so they wanted.

[B]

I'm g. Start doing that.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

No, I was in that Beyonce picture. You see that? You see that leg?

[A]

Yeah. But Beyonce be taking pictures by herself.

[B]

She really does. You can't get within 10ft of a Beyonce photo. Try.

[A]

Yeah, she got the.

[B]

Who's her.

[A]

Her big ass buff security guard that be with her all day.

[B]

Oh, he's so fine.

[A]

His name is like Otis or Julius.

[B]

Julius. Otis, I guess.

[A]

It kind of sounds like old black slave name.

[B]

This is true.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Julius is definitely a slave name. That's okay, though. Julius Orange juice. Julius.

[A]

Julius was the original butler. He was the one that was ironing Amy Adams pants. Or whatever the hell.

[B]

Jimmy Carter.

[A]

Jimmy Carter's pants.

[B]

Oh, poor Amy. Don't throw Amy redhead ass in here. We love you, Amy Adams.

[A]

Do we?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

We like you. We like you as a friend, sis. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. All right. So she's lying. Saying she know Malcolm Gladwell. She was cropped out, right? Five years later, Nancy Lott Research. So, okay, let's get the names. Okay, so Nancy Lot is the maiden name. Anna March. No, wait, wait. No, no, no. I'm sorry. Nancy Lot is the maiden name. Nancy is her gunman. Got it. Then she got married and became Nancy Cruz. And that's when Cruz was the one who was stealing from the radio.

[A]

But this is.

[B]

But in between that, she was Delaney Anderson. Heard you and Delaney was stealing from the writers in San Diego. So it goes. Nancy Loft. Del Delaney Anderson, Nancy Cruz. Then. Now we arrive at Anna March.

[A]

Okay, okay, I'm with you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Draw. Get your whiteboard out, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Your Beautiful mind.

[A]

Put the pins with the string connected.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So now Anna March. And now she's dating a new man. I love that men are a part of these scams, but I love that

[A]

she doesn't have a problem getting a man. Good for you, sis.

[B]

Is she a bad bitch? Charlie, can we pull out.

[A]

Can we see a photo of her?

[B]

Is she sexy as hell?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The waist to butt ratio. What that thing look like?

[B]

For all the scams she running, she got to be at least cute.

[A]

Nah, you want to be.

[B]

Oh, well, what.

[A]

What do today's look like? Show us a picture of her boobs. I feel like white dudes love boobs. Can you confirm or deny they love titties?

[B]

Oh, my God. That's her right there. Yeah, that's her.

[A]

Yeah, but she got them, like, librarian glasses. She look like she.

[B]

Yeah, she look like she might have that energy.

[A]

Energy.

[B]

She got that big clit energy.

[A]

Big clit energy. Yeah.

[B]

All right, all right. We know your game. We know your game. Anna March. So she's dating a new man soon after they moved to la. So she got homie to move. You know, my sis loves a.

[A]

She was like, I love palm trees. I've never been on the West Coast.

[B]

He was like, word. You have all these pictures in San Diego? Oh, no, that's green screen. I ain't never been.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So she says they moved to la, where they were. She was diligent about becoming a key literary figure in Los Angeles. So now she's trying to get Back in her old literary pool. Remember, she was doing that in San Diego? So she threw a welcome party for herself with their money.

[A]

Heard you right.

[B]

With the. Remember the company that she ghosted?

[A]

Sorry, I can't.

[B]

Sorry, I can't.

[A]

But I could pay for this party, though. Turn up.

[B]

Wait, this is where she threw the party, though, at the Ace Hotel.

[A]

Okay, In Palm Springs.

[B]

She invited. No, this is in Los Angeles. She invited more than 400 of LA's best authors, editors, publishers, book reviewers, literary agents, and the local independent press. Honey, then the bill for the night was more than $22,000, and my sis covered it.

[A]

Gift bags. Gift bags, probably. I mean, it sounds like she knows

[B]

how to throw a party, right? And also, like, she did it at venue, where, like, even if you don't know this person's name, the venue legitimizes the event. Because if you say Ace Hotel, I'm like, that's a cute hotel. Like, I'll dip a toe.

[A]

Dip a toe, right?

[B]

In la, everyone will dip a toe.

[A]

But also, like, people. If you use the right names, right, and you tell people they're gonna be

[B]

there, then the other people will show up.

[A]

Absolutely. Don't spend money on a look at House of cb, on a.

[B]

On a leaf, on a leech and a shoe.

[A]

You know, they made it back a little. A little clutch.

[B]

Oh, you need a clutch. So a year after her big party at the Ace Hotel, she sent an email with the subject line confidential to a number of friends. I love it. She said confidential. But then, like, BCC, like 300 people. I'm writing today to ask for your help. The email read linking to what she called a private crowdsource campaign. Here she goes. Raising money. She instructed recipients in all caps to not share this on social media. Media. You know, we all love an NDA in Hollywood. If you tell me I can't tell anybody, I'm like, I'm telling everybody. I am telling everyone.

[A]

I'm telling everybody. I'm showing up and I'm licking Beyonce's face, right?

[B]

But I will make it seem cool, like, while I'm there, Like, I'm not taking photos while pretending to type. But I am taking photos, sis.

[A]

I'm turning the.

[B]

The shutter sound off, right?

[A]

And fully going live.

[B]

Fully going live. So she referred to a temporary separation of her relationship, taxes helping her mother, and an immediate financial need for unspecified medical expenses. So my tr it all. You know, you have a GoFundMe. You be like, fund my web series or fund my little dog is in the Dog er. And like, y' all gotta help him walk again. Like, everybody has a sob story, right? And then, like, that's how you pay the money. My sis came out, all the stories.

[A]

I got a divorce.

[B]

My mama's sick.

[A]

I need a new hip. My dog is also half dead. The abortion. I need money for plan B.

[B]

Uncle Sam said, we want you in jail.

[A]

I need. My basement is flooded. Hurricane Katrina earthquake hit Haiti. We raising money for the kids. Sarah McLaughlin is playing in the background. Like, she just. Everything okay? Well, sometimes you just gotta hit everything.

[B]

She said tragedy struck, struck everywhere.

[A]

Yeah. She said, my Lyme disease flared up. I need a kidney, John Q. And then she was like, don't tell nobody, but also, don't tell Tad.

[B]

Titanic.

[A]

I also drowned in a boat. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Sars.

[A]

Sars. West Nile, Black Plague, Mad Cow, my homies.

[B]

She said, I'mma hit. I'mma pull a heart string. I'mma tug on one of these heart strings.

[A]

And she's like, oh, you guys like dogs? Yeah, my dog need. My dog needs an abortion. Like, let's talk about it. Send me some money. But don't tell nobody. But don't tell no.

[B]

And don't talk to each other about it, because I'm ashamed. What wasn't clear in her message was that her boyfriend had left her. He told the Times she had not been honest with him about her past. This was painful, and this was a painful and costly chapter of my life, he said. So he did leave her. So he probably started picking up, you know, forms and being like Nancy Loft, Nancy Cruz.

[A]

Delaney.

[B]

Delaney Anderson. Like, yeah, bro, you was five different women. That sounds exciting.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's like Orphan Black, you know? I guess nobody wants that in their real life. Fake ass Ally. As we round this out. So March found sanctuary in an industry that's 88% white, 72% cis women. Here she was rarely challenged. March started a new project in fall of 2016 after the election of Donald Trump. Now, you know the negroes and all the brownie 16.

[A]

Okay, so she's just been doing this for like a cool 30 years.

[B]

I love to see it. I don't love the people that she hurt. I hate that the way she did it. But like the dedication, you know what I mean? Lifetime achievement award of scams. I'm starting an award guys award show. You just have to pay $10,000 to come. You will get images and again, a plate.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's a plate. A plate. Because we raise an awareness. This is right. Like, I gotta raise Awareness. About awareness.

[A]

It's a gala.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Gown.

[B]

There will be a theme. So in 2016, after the election of Donald Trump. Trump, which was just really rough. Roar, an online magazine of literature and revolution by feminist people. This is what she started.

[A]

She started raw.

[B]

She started Roar, an online magazine of literature and revolutionary by feminist people. Okay. I don't even know what that means. I had to read that. It is. So this is the new Nancy Cruise and partners. She said Nancy. Nancy Cruz.

[A]

And.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Because I'm a feminist. Right, right. So using GoFundMe, Roar raised about $49,000. Nobody knows how to raise money like my girl.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I love it. But her former executive director says that she had a hard time getting that money to Roars writers. That sounds familiar. We were saying we were an intersectional feminist magazine promising to challenge the patriarchy, but we didn't do what we said we would do. This is critics and people who are working at the mag. And then other critics accused March of using her connections to prominent writers from marginalized communities to gain credibility as an intersectional feminist and exploit other writers.

[A]

I mean, I think the moral of the story here is to stop writing.

[B]

I don't know if she ever wrote anything.

[A]

I mean, she was writing those emails. So she's.

[B]

That's about it.

[A]

Definitely a good writer.

[B]

She wrote emails. She wrote post its. And she wrote gofundme.

[A]

She wrote an email. She wrote like a website. Right. Because you had to Google something.

[B]

That's true. She had to have a website. Website. A Venezuelan author, Elizabeth Coleman, believes March used a fake profile to infiltrate a Facebook group for women writing stories of trauma. She says, I responded to a call for submissions to Roar magazine that was posted in our group. So she done infiltrated the group and it was like, hey, sisters, it's me. Definitely a black and a black.

[A]

Hi, blacks. I mean, sisters.

[B]

Sister, sister, sister.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Hey, girls.

[A]

Hey, girl.

[B]

Yes, City girls. And she was like me. Yes. Definitely brown. Anyway, I was just being black, but I thought I'd take a moment. Yeah, I thought I'd take a break from doing that, from being so black and tell you guys about a job opportunity that I love. Me with my naps.

[A]

Me. Yeah. Period, periods, everything.

[B]

Yeah, that's on periods. Would you like to write periods for this company? So, yeah. So March. So she posted this in the group. March claimed to have loved her story on abortion enough to offer her a position as an editor of the Roar abortion column. So this girl goes. Response to the submission for Roar submits a story about abortion and then March is like, I love this abortion story so much. Like, you should be our abortion column editor because that's how many stories we're writing about abortion. That we have a column. We have a column.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we need an adult editor.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So it's like Sex and the City, but.

[A]

But trauma.

[B]

Trauma.

[A]

Okay. Every week. Column, column. I couldn't help but wonder, what was my baby doing now? Couldn't help but wonder where would my baby be if I hadn't killed it. Okay. Come here, sis. Come on. Carrie Bradshaw. Yes. Love it. Need it.

[B]

I'm crying. Literally. Oh, my God. Yes. So that. That's the job that she was offered. Coman was tasked with publishing one original story a day for her column. But when submissions dried up. Great choice of words. She says. She says March pressured her to plagiarize other online publications, so now she got to start stealing abortion stories from other places.

[A]

Wait, hold on. She was supposed to write an abortion story a day? A day, Every day.

[B]

Every day.

[A]

How many kids is it killing over there? Wow. And. And then she was like, steal someone's story about their abortion?

[B]

Yes. So comey in says, I was not going to steal. So I always credited the source. So I did. She did take it, but she credited the source. And when I. That's what she did. And then she said, when I submitted my invoice, she told me I would only get paid $5 per article because they were not original stories. Now writers get paid online and in papers by the word.

[A]

Wait a minute. We didn't discuss my fee before I flew up here from Venice, Venezuela. That's what you're telling me right now?

[B]

No, now she is Venezuelan.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She didn't fly up from Venezuela. No, she didn't get flew out. She was already there. She was local. She was doing it for the locals. But yeah. What?

[A]

5,000. What every. I'm writing. I'm writing a sad ass dead baby story every day and you're paying me five. $5 for that fetus.

[B]

Imagine what that has to do for your mental health. That you have to. If you've even lived this trauma yourself, you have to continue. And I was going to say it's trauma. It's not always trauma to get an abortion. Some people just like, I got like casual, you know, I mean, it's a big choice, but also like, hey, honestly

[A]

though, I mean, plan B is only $48, so, you know, you could have been a little bit.

[B]

We're normalizing this shit because it's health care anyway. But still, there's sometimes you do have trauma with it. So, like. But I. Yeah, that's a lot to have to write that every day and get paid $5. So she says, who the hell is reading Roar? I don't know, Chad. I don't know. Are y' all reading Rare? Write it. Tell me if you've ever. So she did not just target women of color. That's what they're saying. She also targeted new writers that were women of color. Damn. I thought she was gonna say she targeted white women.

[A]

But listen, it wasn't just black women. It was also black women who were new. It was bald black girls. It was black girls with braids. It was black girls with, like the twist in the front.

[B]

It wasn't just poor black women. Some of them were rich, right? But they were black.

[A]

It wasn't just dark skinned girls. It was also silver skin, light skinned girls.

[B]

It was light skitted with some curly, curly twists. All right, so I'm bringing home right now. Riva supplied to Roar after learning March was recruiting fresh Latina political writers, you know, young AOCs to write for her. She says, I only received one payment, which was very late, and I'm still owed $500. Many writers, mostly marginalized, have tweeted stories about how Anna bullied them into editing for her magazine. Bailed on payments, canceled retreats with no notice. How do you said retreat and threaten them?

[A]

Okay, I'm sorry. This lady that we were just looking at her picture was bullying black women.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To do work that they didn't get paid for.

[B]

They should have beat her up. I'm telling you, pull up. Like if. I just think that if people have more fear in their hearts that if you disrespected them financially, you might also get disrespected physically. They would stop doing that shit. Just know if you don't pay me, I will show up at your home. I have time.

[A]

All right, listen, even if you pay me, I'mma show up late. I'mma leave early. So if you're not paying me, like, what?

[B]

So Anna today, she now tells people that she has three books. Not two, but three. Almost ready. She's returned to Rehoboth. This is definitely a place where white people live. Rehoboth, Delaware.

[A]

Ah, well, since you could have just said Delaware, we didn't even need to know the name of the term.

[B]

Where she planned a prom for adults in April to benefit a local community center, then canceled it. How do you ban somebody from raising money? Because she should not be. If she goes on GoFundMe. Her access should be blocked. Like, she should be able to panhandle.

[A]

Wait, so she hasn't been arrested?

[B]

No, she's still out here, just thriving. And she's been posting photos from a local bar on social media, but after the Times Square inquiry, she's deleted all her accounts.

[A]

Okay, well, I was gonna say what's her Instagram?

[B]

Can't look her up.

[A]

Anna March.

[B]

Nah, I don't. It could be Anna. It could be Nancy Cru. Sloft. Or Delaney Delaney. Anna. Nancy Cru. You are a terrible person.

[A]

Okay, well, when's the. When's her. When does her movie come out?

[B]

I don't know. It's coming out soon, though. You know we love a scam. Yeah. All right, guys, it's time for the end of the show. This is a long one. You guys got lucky. And this is where we do scammer of the week. Oh. And we just honor one charlatan who's truly worthy of our praise, and Today that is TikToker.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Paul Zimmer.

[A]

Paul Zimmer. Okay, that sounds like a name of somebody I should Google.

[B]

So Paul Zimmer tried to create a fake identity as Troy Becker, a younger, more attractive actor. So Paul Zimmer was a frosted tip baby face influencer with an audience of 7 million followers on TikTok. Zimmer, believed to be around 24 years of age, now seems to have had, like, a corny brand on the app, doing things like making Thirst Trap videos of himself lip syncing to R and B songs because, you know, they always coming up on the blacks and flashing his abs with captions like, Happy Black History Month. And I want you to see that he is not black.

[A]

Wait, okay, so he already had a lot of followers, and then he made a fake profile.

[B]

So he was from the vine world. And then he tried to reinvent himself the TikTok, but he had a bunch of followers on TikTok. He had gained them from doing these videos and, you know, appropriating by culture, which is how everybody gets fans on TikTok. So. But Zimmer was disgraced after it was discovered that he had been soliciting gifts from his followers. He was promising things like personal videos, dms for cash donations without actually following through. After that scandal, Zimmer went dark, wiping his YouTube and Instagram accounts, and remained silent for almost two years. But in October 2019, Zimmer is risen, but he's returned to post about an actor named Troy Becker who looks just like me. Or him rather. So this actor, Troy Becker, ig, literally looks like a younger, sexier version of me. Crying face, laughing. This is what Zimmer posted on his own account.

[A]

I'm confused.

[B]

So basically this nigga was like Instagram, TikTok bop thought star, right? He starts being like fans, y' all want personal videos. Y' all want to pull me to pull up at your house, send me money and I'm gonna do those things.

[A]

And he didn't do none of those things.

[B]

He didn't do those things. Everybody got mad at him, right?

[A]

He went away, then he came back.

[B]

Then he came back and he posted about a new person that he's obsessed with who just happens to look like him. Lol named Troy Becker.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So now he's like, oh my God, Troy, follow him. I'm done. Paul Zimmer's dead. But it's just him with like blonde, like he changed his hair. That's it. I love it. So Becker's Instagram tagged by Zimmer showed an account with very few followers with Becker saying only that he was blessed to be filming a TV show. So Zimmerman is now just trying to redirect all his followers to this new account, which is just him with different hair.

[A]

He looks the same. He doesn't look 90. He looks exact. He looks older.

[B]

He would post things like, because he's one of the dopest people I know. He's literally my younger twin, my much younger twin. I believe Troy is like 15 or 16 years old. Hahaha. So I get what's happening here. Once you start to get to 24, you no longer in that little sexy little baby. Like, you know, like. Sounds weird to say sexy baby. Don't take that out of context. You know, when you're a Bieber and then all the little girls like you, cuz you look like a little girl. Sure, little boys like you too. But then when B got a deep voice and kind of got older, well,

[A]

you know, he, he's, he's going to cool church now. He's getting annoying. He wearing pajama pants in public.

[B]

So this is like Justin shaving all his hair off, going blonde again and being like, this is my younger buddy J. Be follow him. Young people. He's young.

[A]

But why are people listening to Paul? It wasn't. He canceled, but he's like, I'm.

[B]

He still has the following.

[A]

Okay, all right, well, I mean, so

[B]

kids on the Internet were quick to find photos of Troy Becker on the Instagram account of an LA based acting school called the Heller Approach. Becker's IMDb page lists no upcoming projects, but claims that Troy Becker is an all American actor and he's been acting from a very young age. So basically everybody on the Internet was like, this is you, bruh. You grew your hair out.

[A]

It looks like the same person to me.

[B]

I could see the difference. Cuz the blonde hair kind of makes him look like, you know, look, eyebrows, sis.

[A]

The eyebrows are exactly the same.

[B]

He should have waxed them or let.

[A]

Let it grow a little bit. The eyebrows are. Eyebrows don't lie, friend.

[B]

They don't. You write about that.

[A]

He just swept his bangs higher and they were like, oh.

[B]

He honestly looked younger as Paul Zimmer.

[A]

Did he do well? Because two years done. Oh, he's like, ah, he looks 16. And it's like, no, he looks like you with two years added to your face.

[B]

You know what? I'm not mad at you, Paul. You was trying to reinvent yourself and they ain't let you. My king. And that's not right.

[A]

My king.

[B]

I'm kidding. You're not my king. But I gotta go. But we do have to go, guys. This has been. Oh, Marie, you are fantastic. This is a great episode. I was planning to hold this and whenever I like an episode, I just release it right away. But maybe I'll hold it. I don't know. You'll see.

[A]

I mean, we'll see what happens.

[B]

Where do you want to be found, Marie?

[A]

You can find me on. You can find me at the book, the literary. You can find me on Roar. You find me on Roar. You can find me on Instagram. My Instagram is Reezy R and then three E's so R E, E, E, Z Y. Or you could find me at my podcast, the Unofficial Expert. So good. We there every Friday roasting people and apparently we're living life wrong because we should just all be scammers.

[B]

Yeah, we should all be scammers. Truly, if you want to rent out your friends, your family, your exes, you know where to hit us. Scam Goddess Pod at gmail dot com. If you want to find the podcast Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. And if you want to see what I'm up to. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacy on all platforms. All right, congregation, stay scheming.

[A]

Amen. G.