The Flexing Fraudster with Trixie Mattel

Summary

Scam Goddess – "The Flexing Fraudster" with Trixie Mattel

Release Date: July 28, 2020
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Trixie Mattel

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess dives into the outrageous—and sometimes oddly inspiring—world of con artists and scams, with a focus on flexing, fraud, and Instagram fakery. Host Laci Mosley is joined by special guest Trixie Mattel (drag superstar, entrepreneur, comedian) as they dish on everything from Airbnb discrimination and international drag mishaps to the wild story of Instagram scammer "Hushpuppi." The episode is a comedic, insightful exploration of how scammers operate, why people fall for them, and what it means to "fake it till you make it."

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Key Discussion Points & Breakdown

1. Guest Introduction & Scamming in Everyday Life

[00:55–04:41]

• Laci introduces Trixie Mattel, sharing her current projects—including her bestselling book and upcoming TV season.
• Trixie talks about being a podcast "stalker" (in a friendly way) and her knack for appearing on many podcasts.
• Scams in daily life: Both recount their experiences and ongoing suspiciousness about services like Airbnb.
  • Laci shares being kicked off Airbnb after a party mishap, leading to having to game the system using a "white" profile avatar.
  • Quote:

    "Every black person has to get a Blacks for Trump avatar to get somewhere on Airbnb..."
    —Laci Mosley [04:21]

  • Trixie quips about Laci's resilience:

    "I will scam my way back onto this app, and I'm gonna rent for the rest of my life."
    —Trixie Mattel [04:30]

2. The Drag Life as the Ultimate Scam (with a Brush of International Crime)

[04:51–08:44]

• Trixie frames drag as the "ultimate scam," referencing the playful deception at the heart of drag performance.
• Shares a hilarious but harrowing story of almost being deported from Australia for lying about a work visa:
  • Customs found her wigs, makeup, and piles of cash ("disguises and cash").
  • Had to spend the night in an Australian immigration detention center.

    "Drag does look like a crime in a suitcase."
    —Laci [06:11] "I felt so innocent, but I literally had stacks of money and disguises in my suitcase."
    —Trixie [07:17]

• Both joke about the public awareness drag now gets (thanks to RuPaul), making such scams harder to pull.

3. TSA Antics & Driver’s License Glamour

[08:44–11:08]

• Laci and Trixie riff on LA TSA being equally strict and glamorous ("singing at the checkpoint," "full makeup at 5am").

  "They heard Tyra got discovered at the airport and they go to work like, beat."
  —Trixie [09:13]

• Trixie and Laci swap stories about slaying their driver's license photos, referencing Nicole Byer's legendary drag-ID.

  "That could only happen in LA."
  —Laci [09:44]

4. Listener Letter: Charity Donation Phone Scam

[11:48–19:35]

• Laci reads a congregation (listener) story from "Lily" about a sophisticated charity donation scam over the phone.
  • Scam artist had some right details but slipped with fake card numbers and misheard her name.
• Both discuss why this scam was impressively targeted, what makes phone scams effective, and why they always say "no":

  "Sometimes don’t you just get caught in a mood where someone calls and asks for money and you’re like, yes, fine, $20, whatever?"
  —Trixie [14:08]

• They joke about the scammer calling a work number, not a personal one—a misfire in scammer logic.

5. Voting, Security, & Boundaries in the Digital World

[18:38–19:59]

• Brief digression on how online financial transactions are easier than voting, with discussion of voter suppression as its own scam.

  "To vote, you have to do like, an eye scan, a fingerprint, and a bootyhole scan... but you can transfer thousands of dollars on your phone."
  —Trixie [18:51]

6. Limewire, Music Piracy, & Faking It Till You Make It

[20:07–23:41]

• Laci admits to getting caught illegally downloading "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood at college.

  "I am so happy. That is the funniest song. They said, 'You better catch her before she cheats.'"
  —Trixie [21:10]

  • Both recall the early-2000s era of music piracy and its cultural impact, joking that scammy behavior is everywhere.

7. Introducing the Flexing Fraudster: Hushpuppi

[27:55–46:11]

• Main 'Historic Hoodwink':

  • The extraordinary case of Nigerian Instagram influencer Ramon Abbas aka "Ray Hushpuppi."
  • Laci and Trixie live-react to his Instagram, roasting his over-the-top flexing and questionable taste.

    "When you see this, at first he seems rich, but when you scroll... it’s like an SNL performance of a rich person."
    —Trixie [31:14]

  • Hushpuppi allegedly laundered hundreds of millions through business email compromise (BEC) schemes.

• Discuss how his Instagram flexing contributed to his arrest:

  "You cannot be a criminal and very loud on Instagram."
  —Laci [39:11]

  • Trixie is shocked he left such a paper trail:

    "You can't really launder your money when you're showing that you're spending all of it."
    —Trixie [39:11]

• Both are bemused by his attempt to pass as a real estate developer despite zero evidence.

  "Bruh, Hushpuppi, you could have at least took a photo in front of one house with a sold sign. Like something."
  —Laci [52:09]

• Discussion of race and bias:

  • Trixie and Laci reflect on how Hushpuppi sticking out as a wealthy Black man on social media drew law enforcement scrutiny.

    "Being black in America and being as rich as he pretends to be, he's already waving a red flag to every racist in the FBI."
    —Trixie [47:36]

• Critical scam lesson:

  "If y’all are doing crime out there, please don’t post about it."
  —Laci [51:23]

8. Scammer of the Week: Gregorio Palomino & COVID Food Grants

[54:12–59:49]

• Laci highlights Gregorio Palomino, an event planner who scored a $39 million government contract to distribute pandemic food boxes using exaggerated credentials.
  • Despite the scammy application, he actually does the work and feeds families—a "Robin Hood" scam, not straight-up theft.

    "This is a Latinx man, like, come up king and he’s helping people. He’s not taking the money."
    —Laci [58:45]

  • Both argue that sometimes, to break into industries as a person of color, “you gotta do a little bit of scamming.”

9. Lying on Resumés, Side Hustle Anecdotes, and Faking Experience

[59:49–62:44]

• Laci and Trixie trade stories about padding resumés to survive in service jobs, with Laci giving her mom’s phone number as her “boss.”

  "No one would hire me and then I talked to one of my homegirls, and she said… you better lie and put some fake restaurants on there, put your cousin number down."
  —Laci [60:54] "Every small business is a scam because every small business opens and presents like it’s been open forever."
  —Trixie [59:49]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On gaming Airbnb:

  "Every black person has to get a Blacks for Trump avatar to get somewhere on Airbnb..." —Laci [04:21]

• On drag as a scam:

  "Dragon itself is the constant ultimate scam." —Trixie [04:51]

• On being caught at Australian customs:

  "I felt so innocent...I literally had stacks of money and disguises in my suitcase." —Trixie [07:17]

• On Instagram fleecing leading to arrest:

  "You cannot be a criminal and very loud on Instagram." —Laci [39:11]

• On fake business credibility:

  "That's like that scammer whose company was called, like, Unknown Businesses." —Trixie [55:44]

• On minority hustling:

  "If you're not a straight white male, chances are you're gonna have to do a little bit of scamming to get somewhere." —Laci [59:31]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:55–04:41] – Airbnb discrimination & scamming the system
• [04:51–08:44] – Drag as deception; Trixie’s immigration saga
• [11:48–19:35] – Listener scam letter: Charity donation phone call
• [27:55–46:11] – Ray Hushpuppi and Instagram-fueled million-dollar BEC scams
• [54:12–59:49] – Scammer of the Week: Gregorio Palomino’s “Robin Hood” food grant scam
• [59:49–62:44] – Resume-padding, small business “fake it till you make it” riff

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Episode Takeaways

• Scamming isn’t always malicious; it’s often about navigating systems not built for everyone.
• Social media is a double-edged sword for scammers—flexing too hard attracts trouble.
• Sometimes, you have to "fake it" to break into industries or just survive—everyone scams a little, especially when the deck is stacked against you.
• Historic and current scam stories provide lessons, laughs, and warnings for the “Congregation” of Scam Goddess listeners.

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Show’s closing reminder:
As always, “stay schemin’,” but remember:

“You cannot be a criminal and very loud on Instagram. Oh, my God, this is so sad.” —Laci Mosley [39:11]

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Trixie Mattel]

I'm so happy to be here. I've wanted to be on this podcast for so long, but I am also the podcast stalker. When I find one that I want to be on, I'm like,

[Lacey Mosley]

hello?

[Trixie Mattel]

It'll be like, subtle subtweets, stuff like that. And then it usually happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I do.

[Trixie Mattel]

Also, I'm like the Earworth Earworm wolf strangler. Like, I show up on every podcast every few months.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. Yes. We love to have you. Wait.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you. I love your show.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. Do you have any relationship with Scams?

[Trixie Mattel]

Have you ever been? I mean, through you? I feel like I have a doctorate in it now. Because now, because of your show, I'm always like, oh, you'll never believe, like, some of the Airbnb shit. Nobody can bring up Airbnb without me having, like, 10 stories. Now I'm like, oh, you better be careful, because that house, that picture might not have to be in that city, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah. I got kicked off of airbnb so it's fuck Airbnb all day now. I don't know why, but I'm pretty sure it's because last year I threw a party at an event space that was four parties for the Fourth of July, see, which is my birthday. And tell me why. There was this nasty little old man who owned the house who. First of all, when we walked into this bitch, it smelled like he had just put cigarettes out as incense, and it was just burning through the night. Like, I've never smelled so much cigarette smoke. And he was there the entire time my party was happening. Obviously, I work in tv, so people are there who are more recognizable than me. He's taking pictures of them. He was eating my food, drinking my water.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, he wouldn't leave.

[Lacey Mosley]

He wouldn't leave. And he had a clicker, and he was counting everybody who came in. And there was a gate to the house. So he would stand outside the gate and taunt people who couldn't get inside. It was my worst nightmare. And so he threatened me if I didn't write a good review and that he was gonna write a bad one. And I just didn't write any review. Cause I was just like, this was a nightmare. And then he wrote a review that was like, Lacey had way too many guests at her party and blah, blah, blah. And so I think they found that review and kicked me off.

[Trixie Mattel]

Was this a white guy?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, well, one of the other things you talked about that I never even thought of was on Airbnb to pick a random white avatar to use as your picture.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we have to like me when my cousin. Because I wanted to get a place in Palm Springs this year, so I couldn't use my Airbnb, so my cousin linked his card to the Airbnb account so that we could get the place, and he posted a photo with him and two white women and, like, did all this stuff to seem very, like,

[Trixie Mattel]

white people make America great again. Hats with, like, a confederate flag. Black for Trump. They're, like, all Fourth of July. That seems a little too fun for these people.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nope. Every black person has to get a Blacks for Trump avatar to get somewhere

[Trixie Mattel]

on Airbnb, to get girl to get Instacart.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. It's crazy. And I love that they tried to kick you off Airbnb, and you're like, I don't think you know who I am. I will scam my way back onto this app, and I'm gonna rent for the rest of my life.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen. And I did and did. Okay. I was in Palm Springs being Eric Shawn. Okay, who loves Trump?

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, from listening to this show. I mean, I've gotten more into scams from just listening to you. But, I mean, it's funny, because Dragon itself is, like, the constant ultimate scam. Like, it's. You know, it's a room full of people who know that's not a real woman, including you. But everyone's like, sure. Her name's Alyssa. Sure. Great. Like, we all just know it's not true. Although one time I got scammed and caught. This was an accidental scam when I was first. First, like, whatever amount of famous. I was going to Australia, and it was me and Katya together so long ago, and we'd never been to Australia. And our management at the time. I mean, I don't feel weird telling the story because it's been told before, but our management and the booking company at the time, they were like, just say you're on vacation. They're not going to care. Just don't even worry about it. You better know. You better know. We pulled up at immigration, and they were like. They were like, hey, what are you doing in the country? We're like, we're just on vacation. And they went, really? Because here's a flyer from your website with a bunch of tour dates on it. Isn't this you? Aren't you here working? And I'm, like, 24. Never really. Like, I'm Australia for the first time. And I'm like, so I'm like, no, we're just on vacation. And they go, all right, let's open your suitcases, Lacey. They open all our suitcases, and they're like, you have wigs, heels, costumes, stacks of cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how we vacation.

[Trixie Mattel]

Completely. I have disguises and cash, basically.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, damn. Drag does look like a crime in a suitcase. It does look like a crime.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. And then they go. And then you're carrying a suitcase full of shirts with your face on them in all different sizes, and I'm like, my weight fluctuates. Like, I really tried to, like, ride that into. You better know. Clocked, booked. I spent the night in an overnight detention center. Australian. Like, immigration. Immigration, detention center, bitch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. They put you in the. Couldn't take the.

[Trixie Mattel]

It sucked. And then I had to get a lawyer to, like, appeal to, like, the Australian. Whatever. To, like, appeal to let me back in the country. And I've toured there since, and now it's not a big deal. But thinking back, it was crazy. It was crazy. That, like, it was like a ten city, sold out tour. Wouldn't you just get the work permit? Just get the work permit. You scammed yourself, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And did you end up not being able to do those dates in Australia

[Trixie Mattel]

when you got out to get rescheduled for a year later?

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I mean, I got. It's 15 hours to Australia. I got turned around and flew straight home the next day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Trixie, you're definitely a scammer. You're an international scammer.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. You were an international jail. I was so innocent. I felt so innocent, But I literally had stacks of money and disguises in my suitcase. Like, I mean, we're talking wigs and, like, this is disguises.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're just here on vacation. Sir, why do you have all these ski masks? Oh, my face gets cold. My face gets.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, we're going to the. It's Australia. We're going to the Olivia Newton John Museum. And then I was like. And then, you know what? Immigration, they always. I don't know if they try you, but they always try me. And I used to be like, I'm a performer, and now I'm like. And I'm like, it's drag. It's a suitcase with panties and wigs and bras, and I'm gonna put a wig on and act a fool. And they're like, okay. I just am so straight with them. And they're like, okay, please go. You know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, I feel like RuPaul's Drag Race did a lot for just, like, mainstream drag. Cause I feel like before that, people probably wouldn't have even necessarily known.

[Trixie Mattel]

So really, RuPaul fucked up our scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

He did.

[Trixie Mattel]

She got us too famous. And now people are like, aren't you? Yeah, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause that would have worked before. No.

[Trixie Mattel]

TSA has a lot of fun people and a lot of gay people. So we also get clocked at any sort of immigration TSA all the time.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I love that TSA is getting more fun. I feel like I used to go through there and everybody was miserable. Lately, when I go through, it's like people singing songs like, take that belt off with them shoes. I'm like, okay. It is okay. Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, at lax, it's equal parts. So strict. Equal parts. You could be carrying a rifle and someone's like, so anyway, this is what I did this weekend. They're just, like, telling their own stories from their life. And then on top of that, they also. Even if you fly out of LAX, like, 5:00am, there are some of those women Are in full hair, makeup and lashes. Five in the morning, which is. It's amazing.

[Lacey Mosley]

They don't know who gonna come through here. They trying to get chose. Okay. You never know who you might be winding down.

[Trixie Mattel]

They heard Tyra got discovered at the airport and they go to work like, beat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Tyra is the reason that I have good driver's license photos. She was like, you had a slay in every photo that you got. Like, I booked a job off a driver's license photo. I was like, okay. So I showed up to the DMV with my lashes on.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, have you seen Nicole Byers driver's license photo?

[Lacey Mosley]

Not recently, but I know there's something specific about it. Yeah, it's drag, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

Drag. She's in a wig this big with huge lashes on. And she just went in and did it. And they didn't say anything.

[Lacey Mosley]

That could only happen in la.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, that's the thing about driver's license. Like, you can't wear a wig. You can't wear a hat, but you can wear a wig, which is a disguise.

[Lacey Mosley]

True. Well, you know, I will say, guys, movie alert for a terrible movie that you should watch. A Fatal Affair on Netflix with Nia Long and Omar Epps. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Is up there with acrimony. How did they get on the boat? But in that movie, Omar Epps has a driver's license picture. Cause he's like, a scary, murderous picture.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I saw this on your Twitter.

[Lacey Mosley]

That fucking driver's license photo, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

That picture, it's like, to the side. And also, he doesn't have. They make it look like he almost has, like, a Forest Whitaker eye, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like a little squint. Yeah. And I'm like, how you get. You can't take an evil photo at the dmv. They won't let you do that. They're like, sir, can you please bring your neck up and stop looking so menacing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I'm six feet tall, white as paper, with a shaved head. It's a great time for me to take photos in America.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I never really get to see you as much with your head, like, shaved. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yeah, they definitely think you could be on either side, though. They either think you're antifa or you're a Nazi.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, you mean they're antifa or Nazi or. I, like, live in a tiny house. I have that energy. Like, are you one of those people who grows your own green beans and lives in a tiny House? Do you do composting?

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you reuse your urine?

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you drink pee?

[Lacey Mosley]

You just boil it, guys. You just boil it. All right, let's get into it.

[Trixie Mattel]

By the way, I have to say, too, as a fan of the show, that scam you talked about with the person using the Barbie clothing printer to just casually print money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, beautiful.

[Trixie Mattel]

He told you in the email, like, anyway, and then we started doing robbery.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love him, and I hope that he reaches out at some point. Sometimes the scammers reach out. Like, Chad Focus the rapper reached out, and he said he's out of jail, chilling in his mansion, and he said big ups to the podcast and help him sell his music. I love it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Listen, own up to it.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is the type face, right? It is. I told y' all I'm dumping all my emails. The cops will never find you. So what's hot and fraud, guys? What's hot and fraud? Right now we're getting a list listener letter, and we're gonna call this person Lily as they've requested. Guys, as always, you can email [e-mail] with all your scams. Just make sure they're retired. We'll always change your names and we'll always delete your emails. The feds will never find you.

[Trixie Mattel]

But her emails.

[Lacey Mosley]

But her emails. That's gonna be me. I'm. Yeah, I think at some point, I will run for office.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's just you have the only emails anybody should be worried about.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's very true. So says. Hi, Lacey. I wanted to tell you about a scam that I was. That was recently tried on me that I was a little impressed by. Oh, you was impressed by the scam. I like that. I like that. I got a call at work where I'm the receptionist. In my greeting, I always say business name. Yeah, you better leave that business name out. Business name. Lily speaking. How can I help you? The lady calling started off by calling me the wrong name, Lonnie, which is not uncommon at our reception because, like, the service is bad. She says. She goes on to say that she is. Oh. So the woman on the phone goes on to say that she's a prominent local art charity member, and she's calling because her monthly donation of $10 hadn't gone through and asked if I would like to update my card. Before I could say the answer, she starts giving me more information, saying I've been donating since 2017 and that my card might be changed with recently. Would I like to know the last four Digits of the card that they have. I know it's a scam at this point, but I'm curious, so I say sure. She gives me four random numbers, and I ask again. And then she asks again if I would like to update my card info. I ask, what's the name on the account? And she starts spelling out L, A, N, I, Lani. I tell her that's not my name, and I hang up. I'm impressed with this one, because if she hadn't called me at work and if she got my name right and maybe more correct info instead of offering a fake card number, she might have gotten me. A lot of people in this area donate to this group as I do, and they do occasionally call asking for donations. I was like, oh, so this feels targeted. It feels like somebody got a list of charity, like, contributors, and then just started calling down the list.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, it's pretty smart because, let's be honest, sometimes don't you just get caught in a mood where someone calls and asks for money and you're like, yes, fine, $20, whatever. You know what I mean, right? Like, maybe not always. Unless it's like, my college. I always laugh when my college calls for money. I said, girl, you got $40,000 from me.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're not getting anything else, bitch. I went to the most expensive public institution in the U.S. the University of Pittsburgh is like, $120,000 to go there. I had a scholarship a year. No, no, no. No total, but I had a scholar. No, it's public, though. If it was private, they're way more expensive. Shout out to y' all who went to private school. Cause crazy, crazy couldn't be me.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

Could not be me. But, yeah, they called me. They hit your bitch up. The day after I graduated. I said, now what do you think? Between yesterday and today, I got coins for y'. All. Not the day after. I ain't even got the diploma in the mail. My gown ain't even cold, and y' all talking about some donate. Get the fuck out of here.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're so confident in their education. They said, well, obviously you're rich. It's been 24 hours. Yes, please give us some of your money. I got honored. I got some Graduate of the Decade award for my college. And I was like, for what I paid for. Grad for my education. I will fly into town for my free salad. Thank you so much. Or whatever, right? So I go to the dinner. What I didn't know is that it was gonna be a highway to even more calls. And I'm like, okay, you guys gave me a little trophy, but I gave you $40,000. Why don't you call somebody who didn't already give you a bunch of money,

[Lacey Mosley]

right? And it's like. It's fresh. 40 grand. Like, y' all ain't even built nothing with my money yet.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know Maria? You know Maria Bamford?

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

The comedian.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sounds good.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's this comedian, and she was talking about. She was talking about her college, Asked her to come and give an honorary. Like, be the honorary speech or whatever for the graduates, the commencement speech or whatever. And she said, do I get paid? And they said, it's an honor. It's not a paid thing. And she was like, I went to this school for, like, comedy writing, and now you're telling me that I can't get paid for the skill I paid you to teach me to get paid to do?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. What do you mean, it's an honor? No.

[Trixie Mattel]

So then she asked for $20,000, and they gave her 10. That's colleges for you. It's free. I want $20,000. Okay, 10. They have the money.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do have the money. It's just they want to play you, and it's crazy that they want to play you when it's like, did not go to this bitch so I wouldn't get played. Like, aren't you supposed to teach me how to make money?

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm confused that this scammer called this

[Lacey Mosley]

woman, like, at work, so she probably didn't have her personal phone number. Maybe looks like she got a public number or a number associated with her job, which is weird because it's like, nobody calls from donation places to your. That's like, if I'm at Working at Wendy's, and I'm like, hello, Wendy's? You can't have it your way. And they're like, hey, Lacey, it's us. From, like, why would I call. Why would you call my job?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Also, are they. Who is Lonnie? Were they saying she was Lonnie?

[Lacey Mosley]

So her name was Lily. And then because the service is bad, the scammer on the phone call heard Lonnie. So she didn't even know the girl's name when she called. So I'm like, how did you at

[Trixie Mattel]

least pick something more general? Beth. Rachel, Right? Really just shooting in the dark with Lonnie?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, I think she heard Loni when the girl was like, hey, this is Lily. And then her T. Mobile cut out, and it was like. And then

[Trixie Mattel]

that Boost mobile phone Another scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

That Boost Mobile phone chirp chirped and she missed it. She got it wrong.

[Trixie Mattel]

But they got an agent on the other end AT T Mobile. Being like, this sounds scammy. Put in some snow. This call doesn't seem safe. It's like, I don't know. I mean, I can't say. They wouldn't have not got me. I mean, if I'm gonna make a donation, it's probably over the computer and not by the phone. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not making phone donations. I just don't feel comfortable giving my card information over the phone to people.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, it's blind. You have no idea who it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

And at least if you're at, like, an established place, like AT&T calls or whatever, like, there's some. Plus, you know, there's liability there that would keep you safer than just like, a random person. Like, hey, girl, can we get your banking info? We trying to save the. Who we saving? The children. The children?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, the children. I'm more of a dog person. Okay. Than dogs.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. We can do dogs. That's fine. We're open dogs. It's like how y' all are charity and y' all open. You gotta pick a cause. Oh, no, no, no.

[Trixie Mattel]

I would say it's funny how, like, on the phone versus the computer versus. We have different boundaries. Like, in America, to vote, you have to show up and do, like, an eye scan, a fingerprint and a booty hole scan.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

All of it. But you can go on your phone and transfer thousands and thousands of dollars and no one cares. Like, at the bank. Like the online banking on your phone.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's very true.

[Trixie Mattel]

But to vote, you have to, like, show up in sometimes, depending on the state, a window of this many hours. Like what had happened in Kentucky a few weeks ago.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where there was, like, the people who have nine to fives. What could they possibly contribute? They don't need to vote.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, or like the place that had 600,000 people for one polling place and was like, yeah, we'll get it done in a day.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, we all know that's racism and it's also a scam, so.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, good on her to get. At least she didn't get scammed. I mean, you're getting scammed and you're getting scammed on the clock. That would have been a bad day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it would have been a rough one. But also, I appreciate that she likes scams so much that she was like, go on. Like, she knew. She knew the shit was fake and she was like, mm, and what else? And what?

[Trixie Mattel]

She should have turned it around. She should have been like, you know, I got a timeshare for you in Sarasota if you're interested.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like, we could do a trade off. Lord Jesus. All right, well, shout out to Lily. I'm glad you didn't get scammed, but I'm glad you enjoyed your time. That's what I want, is for people to have a good time when scammers come along. We'll be right back after some non scam advertisements scams. All right, guys. And we're back in the break. We were talking about stealing albums off Limewire. And I have to say, before we get into historic hoodwinks, that I got in trouble at college for Limewire. They was trying to lock your girl up. And it was sad because. So, Limewire, if you guys are too young to know this, some of you may be fetuses listening. LimeWire was an OG app that you could use to share files. So if somebody had a file, you could download it from Limewire and it would also share your files. Unless you turn that off. My dumb ass didn't know how to turn that off. So I was constantly sharing files with people on LimeWire and on my university Wi Fi. Why did they catch me? This is the song they caught me for. Please, Before He Cheats by Carrie Underwood. I am so happy.

[Trixie Mattel]

That is the funniest song. They said, you better catch her before she cheats.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was so embarrassed as a young black woman, you know, listen, I'm from the South. I love culture, music, honey. A lot of black influences in country.

[Trixie Mattel]

You could do worse. Carrie Underwood is a great. I mean, you could do worse. She's a wonderful artist.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're right. I could have come in and they could have been like, lacey, we flagged pussy popping on a handstand coming from your computer.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did you download a file called Fuck the police? Nwa Was that you?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know. You know how files work. It's crazy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Were you hurt? Were you broken up with? Why was before he cheats speaking to you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. Oh, you know what? It was my freshman year of college, and I think I had broke up with this boy in high school that my parents made me date. I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast, but my parents. Look, I'm from the south, okay? It's called courting. And they were like, you need to know how to be treated like a lady. And I was never, like, really dating people. Cause I was trying to get a check which is still my life. And they made me go on dates with this guy, and he would, like, open all the doors and walk on the left side of the street and do all this chivalry stuff. So I knew how to be treated fancy.

[Trixie Mattel]

There is something right about that. You can, like, someone just bookwarm, but if they're really, like, over the top, accommodating and polite like that, there is something like you can stick around. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Also, I think it's just a sign that you were raised with some intention when it comes to women. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not saying I need all my doors open and my chairs pulled out like I'm a grown ass hoe, but it is nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

It would be nice. But it would be nice. Yeah. Do everything for me, but remember that I don't need it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. That's exactly what we want. But I will take it. But I will do stuff for you too, as well, in addition to. But I.

[Trixie Mattel]

Listen, Limewire made it pop. I mean, I was a little gay boy from the country who it was probably over an hour drive to any sort of, like, record store. So, I mean, that's how I got a lot of my earliest comedy albums and started listening to comedy. So, Limewire, thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you, Limewire, for your.

[Trixie Mattel]

And we respect the hustle.

[Lacey Mosley]

We respect the hustle and the scam, and we've been a part of it. Yeah. So historic hoodwinks, guys. This one is so fun, and I'm so happy to have Trixie for it because obviously Trixie has the wigs, the shoes. Trixie has a whole makeup line that if you haven't gotten into yet, it's, like, amazing. And I appreciate that the colors work so well on so many different skin tones because that is my. You know. Yes. So thank you. You better be out here being Fenty.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, completely. Well, like, when I was doing makeup behind the counter, I worked at the only Mac counter in Milwaukee for five years. So I would say, I mean, probably only 10% of my clients were Caucasian.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I love it.

[Trixie Mattel]

So, like, that's the makeup I was doing for years and years and years, and she's second nature.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so. I wish I could see Trixie, by the way.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can't even tongue pop. And it takes my whole face, and it's still weak. Can you do it?

[Lacey Mosley]

You were doing your whole body, too. Your whole body.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. Can you do it? Struggles, struggles. We're not real drag queens, and we never will be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, God. You know, I want to. I've always wanted to do drag, and I. Now I know some female drag queens.

[Trixie Mattel]

I found out about your podcast because I saw the ad for Scam Goddess, and I was like, who is this woman in drag? In this picture?

[Lacey Mosley]

You look like you're about to come

[Trixie Mattel]

out and do Baby, They're Tumbling Down.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're so right. I was really inspired by that. That's why, like, the crown was actually a photographer's wedding crown. That was, like $8,000 that she let me borrow.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did she do the makeup?

[Lacey Mosley]

I had one of my special friends do the makeup. I have a very great makeup artist who, like, he's great with heavier looks and real dramatic style.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, you look great in it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you, Edwin. Yes, Edwin. Thank you, Edwin.

[Trixie Mattel]

Edwin. Shout out to Edwin.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he's a queen. But I started going to drag clubs in Pittsburgh, and they were real run down and raggedy, but it was so fun. And they would always. They would pull me on stage and I'm short, so they would, like, pick me up and I would do splits and have a just. Oh, I love it. I love it, I love it. But I was never one of those intrusive straight bitches who. Who was trying to be, like, making shit about me. I was just trying to enjoy the vibes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, it's pretty glaring in a gay bar environment. Who's there for the Kiki and who's there for the bachelorette party? Do you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, y' all ladies don't throw your bachelorette parties at gay bars, baby. That's not for you. That's not for you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or if you do come spend money like it's a strip club and be so into it. Cause to be honest, gay audiences are very like, yeah, we've seen it all. And then when you perform for straight people, their wigs fly because they've never seen anything like it.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's true.

[Trixie Mattel]

Straight people are a fun audience. Just don't get drunk and crazy and, like, run on the stage and crazy

[Lacey Mosley]

shit like that, right? And touch people. You know what?

[Trixie Mattel]

But if you.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you do want to go as a bachelorette party, you need to come in there like you about to throw it for Chippendales. Like, you need to have the stacks of cash, just like Trixia. Trixie travels with stacks of cash. And so should you. Yes. Yes. So, guys, historic hoodwinks. Oh, my God, Trixie, we're getting on so many tangents. It's just so good to talk to you in real life.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know, let's hear about the historical

[Lacey Mosley]

hoodwinks so historic hoodwinks today. Because I know y' all are probably screaming at me like, bitch, if you don't get to work. Y' all really be mean to me lately. I need y' all to go leave me some. I need y' all to go leave me some nice comments on Apple podcast and some five stars as a compliment. Cause y' all got mad at me. Cause I was eating in the episode, and then everybody attacked me. They were like, I have misophonia, and this has triggered my fight or flight. I said, bitch, I ate a chip. And then you had to fight the air. I'm confused.

[Trixie Mattel]

You bit into that chip.

[Lacey Mosley]

And she stood up and she started punching the air.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Punching the air.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I don't want to do that to y'.

[Trixie Mattel]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll never eat again. That was eight months ago. But still, y' all need to be nicer to me. Y' all so mean. Anyway, they really mean. Like, they be, like, leaving me comments like, the congregation is fed up. I was like, how y' all gonna be mean to me? I feel like my stans are like the barbs, But. But they be mean to me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my girl. My fans, they're mad at me, like, every two weeks. But it's because people get so impassioned that they want. They get. They feel like they're in the room.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's their thing, too. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And in a way, it is your thing, too. So it's okay, y'. All. I'm gonna do better. But y' all go be nice to this woman. Go be nice to my ratings on Apple podcasts. I appreciate that. That's your activism for the day. Help a black woman keep her five stars.

[Trixie Mattel]

Just like or comment.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, guys, this scammer, his name is Ramon Abbas, AKA Ray Hushpuppi, to his Instagram followers. And I highly encourage you, Trixie, to get on his Instagram right now because it is fucking beautiful. So the story is this is ongoing, y'. All. So this hasn't even resolved. I hope Hushpuppi don't hear this podcast. And Caroline Calloway me, because I can't be fighting no more people on Twitter.

[Trixie Mattel]

But it's called Ray Hushpuppi. Hushpuppi.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hushpuppi put in Hushpuppi. H U S H P U P P I.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it should.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's verified. Okay. Come on. Blue shag.

[Trixie Mattel]

2.5 million followers. Real estate developers.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know if he's developed any real estate, honey. And I don't think the government thinks he has either. Prosecutors believe Ray Hushpuppi is a 37 year Ramon Alawana Abbas, which is obviously his real name. Hushpuppi's Instagram account, which, like Trixie just said, has 2.5 million people subscribed. It's filled with hundreds of pictures of him posing with luxury cars, designer clothes, and private jets. It also shows him rubbing elbows with international sports stars and celebrities. I looked through because I was trying to find Celebra who on the page. I didn't see no celebrities, but maybe these are some international people. I don't know.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, I see the Salt BAE guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you saw Salt bae? Okay, he's on here. Ooh. Okay. I'm not mad at that hush puppy. All I want is that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you like how that's like Julia Roberts to us?

[Lacey Mosley]

We're like Salt bae. Listen, all I want is him to put the salt on my steak and put it in my mouth. I can't wait. I hope he's.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm already intrigued because it now we're on a show called Scam Goddess. And I know that this story isn't gonna be. Anyway, he's a real developer and he's really rich. Bye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Also, Saube has like, nine kids. Look it up. I don't know why Saube got so many kids, but he fertile. Just. Just a tip.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Hushpuppi has always claimed to work in real estate development. However, he's now facing charges for alleged massive conspiracy to launder hundreds of millions of dollars. Everything may have been pinned down by his social media flexing. He lived at the exclusive Palazzo Versace in Dubai and led a global network that used computer intrusions, business email compromise schemes, and money la to steal hundreds of millions of dollars from companies. So a business email compromise scheme is a sophisticated scam that involves a hacker redirecting business email account communications to try to intercept wire transfers. So you're working at your company, and then anytime they see any emails that are like, oh, the wire transfer, they're like, send that over here. Then we'll change the numbers and we'll get the transfer instead of whoever it was intended to go to.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Which is exceptional.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, if you go to his Instagram. Nobody this rich is parading it like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, not at all. But here's the thing, though. I am very much a drip or drown type girl. And if y' all look at my Instagram. Like, I love a drip. I love a. I love a moment and I love a brand. I do. Uh, but this man is very heavily brand focused. Wait, we need to read some of his Instagram captions. Because the way he's out here flexing on people, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

And like, it's, it's. I encourage everybody to go look at it because when you see this, at first he seems rich, but when you scroll through and you see that it's only this type of post, it's almost like an SNL performance of a rich person. Like getting on a jet. Now I'm in front of a car. Like, it's a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, he did okay. So I went back all the way to 2014 because I was so fascinated. And he came up because in 2014 he would be posting like in a Versace shirt and a Versace belt and Versace shoes in front of his refrigerator. And he had a lot of refrigerator posts. And I was like, ooh, honey, this ain't it. You need vibes. Like, we want vibes in the background. We want Lukes, we want, you know, like, you can't just be giving us a brand. Like, I know that t shirt's like $400, like chill. But he has one that I think is to your point, Trixie. Like, this is what rich people look like. He's covered up in a Louis Vuitton blanket.

[Trixie Mattel]

Girl. That is the picture I was looking

[Lacey Mosley]

at on a private jet, reading, reading in quotes, Forbes magazine.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, girl covered up in a Louis Vuitton blanket, reading a magazine that says Forbes and just staring at the camera like, I'm rich, right? This is what a rich person does.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is rich. This is rich. And the caption says, if you knew my whole story, you'd be proud of me. BeInspired, BeMotivated, LV. Hashtag Louis Vuitton. Hashtag jet set life, hashtag Dubai, hashtag Paris fashion, hashtag love, luxury, lifestyle.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wow. And all the comments are just like, I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, people like to see opulence. It's the reason that a lot of people follow, like Kylie Jenner, you know what I mean? Like, she's giving you a light skinned black woman and she's also giving you planes and jets. And my baby's on a jet and my baby's in Gucci and I'm in Gucci, you know? And people like to see how the other half lives. I don't know why it's not more infuriating considering they need to stop calling

[Trixie Mattel]

it the other Half, because there is not 50% of people do not live like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. It's really the other 1%. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

I want to see how the other 1% lives.

[Lacey Mosley]

Half is a trick that they. That's a scam that they run on us. Like, the other half, it's not half. Wealth distribution is ass, y'. All. Like, when you see this shit, you should get mad because people are dying of hunger in America.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, this reminds me of, like. I mean, I'm sure that these planes are real, but, like, this reminds me of that thing in LA where you can go get the picture on the fake plane. Do you know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yep.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. She said, I've been there. It's my scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

I haven't been there yet, but I have to go.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's a room in your condo that looks like an airplane.

[Lacey Mosley]

I have to go just. Cause, like, I just want to take it just for the con of it all. Like, I want a bow wow challenge and take a picture of that.

[Trixie Mattel]

You should do a photo shoot for your next batch of episodes and go do, like, one of these with a Louis blanket and Forbes on one of these fake Pokemon planes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. That's a. That's the next level. That's the next level. Yes. You know, we're going to reach a year in September, guys. We'll have to do something special.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I got to know what the tea is because now the comments seem sour. They're like, FBI got your number?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Now the comments are like, you stole all this money from poor people. And it's like, baby, none of this money came from poor people. That's the one thing I need y' all to know is that my man's was not robbing the poor, okay? BEC said schemes are one of the most. And bec again is business. Email compromise are one of the most difficult cyber crimes we encounter, as they typically involve a coordinated group of con artists scattered around the world who have experience with computer hacking and exploiting international finance systems. Last year alone, The FBI recorded 1.7 billion in losses by companies and individuals victimized by BECS. The federal documents detailed how a New York law firm wired nearly $923,000 meant to for a client's real estate refinancing to a bank that was controlled by Hushpuppi and his co conspirators. So they sent almost a million dollars to a bank account that they thought was gonna refinance some real estate. And it was actually Hushpuppi's bank account he rerouted it to his own. The law firm had received fraudulent wire instructions after sending an email to what appeared to be a bank email address, but was later identified as a source spoofed email. So they would basically show up too. Like, hey, we your bank. Send over those wire transfer numbers and your account number. Not your bank. It's Hushpuppi. And he needs a new Louis bag and a new Louis blanket and a Rolls Royce that has white curb caps.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm actually shocked. I went all the way through this Instagram and there's no women, which is kind of shocking. If you were doing this kind of stuff with material, I'm surprised there's no pictures of women.

[Lacey Mosley]

But there is one lady Foot. However, I will say that I'm not shocked that there's no women, because if you want to keep up the lifestyle, you don't want any woman to think that you're tied down. That way you can get with as many women as possible. And also, he's obviously out here buying up the club and the bottle service, because this is a ratchet fact that I know, but some of the top bottle girls from Houston follow him. So he's definitely been in a Houston nightclub buying bottles.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, if I was selling bottles, this would be. I mean, this would be the customer, right? This is who you wait all month to walk in.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Because he just wants to flex. He and an unnamed person also conspired to launder $14.7 million from a foreign financial institution last year. During that alleged cybercrime, Hushpuppi sent a co conspirator the account information for a Romanian bank account, which he said could be used for large amounts in other alleged schemes. He also provided Dubai bank accounts that can be used to deposit money from victims in the United States. He also is accused of trying to steal $124 million from an unnamed English Premier League soccer club. Damn.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, take from the. Take from the soccer club, right? I mean, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, all these places, if you're refinancing something for a million dollars, you'll be ight.

[Trixie Mattel]

You'll be fine. I will say, not to be like that girl about it, but this amount of, like, scope and speed scale and like, the scheming, you, you have to wonder, like, if this person applied this to, like, a small business, how they could also do. Not as well because stealing is easier. But, like, this person's probably really smart and, like, probably could do a lot legally if he wanted to go that route too, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. But I bet like, that's the thing about scamming is, like, the hours are better. I mean, there's no health care, but if you're really working hard, you can. You can get that yourself. Like, this guy can afford Cobra.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, he's fine. He's gonna get the SAG insurance.

[Lacey Mosley]

You scam when you want, where you want from, whatever VPN you want. So I'm not mad at the Hustle. It's just his clothes are beautiful. It's weird that he does this flexing. Some of the clothes are beautiful. Other times I was like, this a little tacky girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, it's like if you walk into a store like this and there's something that's really well designed, and then there's a T shirt that says the brand name, you would think you would just want the really cute item, not just the thing that has the brand name on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

But when you get rich enough, you start just getting the nice thing. Cause it's like, people who know if you know, you know. But when you're starting out, like, honey, yes, I do have a Dolce and Gabbana Millennials T shirt. Cause you need to know that it was Dolce and Gabbana and that I'm millennial.

[Trixie Mattel]

Totally.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I think there is a certain point where you kind of tone it down. Cause some of the stuff that he bought, it looks like House of Darion for Versace.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. I mean, especially some of these shoes. These look like they're. I mean, these are Santee Alley. Do you know what I mean? That, like, over the top brand, all over it, like, gaudy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, yeah, it's. Some of. It's not cute. But federal officials detailed how his social media account provided a treasure trove of information to confirm his identity. So also, Hushpuppi, you an international robber, you can't be flexing on the gram this hard, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're going to be like. I mean, because you can't really launder your money when you're showing that you're spending all of it. Like, right. You're supposed to launder it in a way that, like, makes it look like that's how you honestly earned it. And then you can spend this amount,

[Lacey Mosley]

have a legitimate business. No, I totally agree with you. So on his account, he would write little comments like, started out my day having sushi down at Nobu in Monte Carlo, Monaco, then decided to book a helicopter to have facials at the Christian Dior spa in Paris, then ended my day having champagne in Gucci, girl. He would post stuff like this on his Instagram. If you are a criminal, you cannot just be letting people know your whereabouts.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, you really can't. I don't know what he's thinking.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, why are you dropping a pin on Instagram to Flex? You are doing crime. It's crime time. You can't be doing this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it doesn't really make any sense. I mean, don't you think if you were gonna launder like this, you would have to, like, live within the means of your fake job?

[Lacey Mosley]

A smart person would. Or if you are gonna buy this shit, you don't take photos of everything you've ever purchased and get 2.5 million followers on Instagram. Yeah, seriously, there are photos of him displaying multiple models of Bentleys, Ferraris, Mercedes, and Rolls Royce cars, including the hashtag Allmine. Now, his flex grew. Cause I told you. He started flexing in front of the refrigerator. Then he kind of grew to, like, oh, okay, now I'm flexing in a nice hotel room, or there's a curtain behind me and I'm showing off my outfit or what have you. Then he moved up to, I'm posing in front of all these expensive cars. There was an interim period when his flex was not that good. That I just keep thinking of this one photo of him in front of a refrigerator wearing a Versace shirt, Versace belt, Versace shoes. And he had his key to his Mercedes Benz. Like, the key fob. He put it in his pocket in a way that the key fob would show the Mercedes logo in the photo. So it's like the key's, like, hanging out of his pant a little bit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, it's like, girl, do it right. Look in the mirror.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Or just don't put your keychain in this. We know you have a Mercedes. Like, why are you wearing that? Like, it's an accessory. So he's.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, you think he was trying to have it hang out? Like, look, I have. Just so you know, this is the car I'm driving later.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, that was exactly what it was.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's so gross. It's just. I don't know. It's. It's such a fine line of, like. Like, my assistant always says, like, don't talk about it, be about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

Be rich. But, like, don't be gross rich. Because then it's just like, what are you doing? I don't know. Not. Not. Not gross rich, but, like, no style. No. Like, subtlety rich. Yes. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just like, he don't have no taste. So his Instagram had an email and phone number saved to the account for security purposes. Hush puppy, why don't you have a burner phone for your Instagram? Federal officials got that information and linked that email and phone number to financial transactions, transfers with people the FBI believe are his co conspirators. So, bruh, you don't have like a dummy email for your Instagram. You're using your crime email for your Instagram when you log in, it's like hushpuppyarime.com you using that email. This is stupid.

[Trixie Mattel]

So no one knows his name? Is that the T?

[Lacey Mosley]

So they didn't know his name for a minute, but Hushpuppi is obviously a nickname, but they realize that this was probably their guy. They got in touch with Instagram, and because it's the FBI, they were like, instagram, you know, Mark Zuckerberg's ass. They were like, hey, Zuck, hand over this man's email and his phone.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh. And Mark Zuckerberg was like, okay, but you got my back next time, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Cause last time you guys didn't have my bag, okay? When I ran all of those fraudulent political ads, nobody stood up for me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Zuckerberg hands over the retina scan and the booty hole and everything else that he. He has of ours to the FBI. And this email is linked to all the crime he was doing, which is fucking stupid. His Apple and Snapchat records also provided information that helped investigators confirm his identity, address, communications, and communications with other suspects. So he was anonymous to the government until Instagram. Guys, we've talked about this. You cannot be a criminal. And very loud on Instagram. Oh, my God, this is so sad. The investigators used his Instagram birthday celebration photo to verify his date of birth on a previous US Visa application. Now some of this feels like I post a belated birthday photo. Like, how can you confirm this man's birthday with his Instagram post?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I mean, I don't even know how much I would trust Instagram, but I mean, how can you be this rich and not have some kind of footprint bigger than a girl? Go to the strip club in Houston and sit there, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And have a good time. What's crazy is if he didn't have Instagram, he likely would not have gotten caught.

[Trixie Mattel]

But that's. The gag is like, you're the FBI. Go to the. Go to the strip club, sit there for a month, wait for him to show up.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, the FBI now has internal. So they're scrolling just like we are. The feds are scrolling Girl, there's literally,

[Trixie Mattel]

I bet, doppelgangers of us and FBI going, ooh, ooh. And he should not have worn that with those shoes anyway.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like, he's doing too much. But okay, we got his birthday. Hey, yeah. Like, damn. So just know, guys, the feds could be scrolling your insta at any time. Don't do crime and also do it for the gram. You can't do both. You can't that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Girl, when he gets put in prison, he's gonna say his last words in that, I did it for the gram.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, as he left being druggirled and

[Trixie Mattel]

I do it again, and I'd do

[Lacey Mosley]

it again for the gram.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, I wonder if they're gonna donate some of his clothes because, I mean, he really has some beautiful. Not all of them, but some beautiful clothes.

[Lacey Mosley]

He does. Like, is that gonna go on a police auction? When is that auction?

[Trixie Mattel]

And he does that adult rich man turtleneck thing, which I love.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love a good turtleneck on a grown man. I do too. It. You know, but he's actually out of jail right now, or actually he got transferred, is what I believe is happening. So we'll read further. Hush Puppies. Lawyer gal Pasetski told the BBC that his client, who posts on Instagram about his extravagant lifestyle, was not a criminal and made his money legitimately. He is a social media influencer with millions of followers, Millions of people that proceed and loved him, and he loved them, and that's what he did. In today's society, that's a business. So now they're trying to say that his 2 million followers are the reason that he can flex. And it's not because he's, girl, I

[Trixie Mattel]

have 2 million followers and I don't have this car. So let me tell you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Where's your Rolls Royce? Trixie? Thank you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, get real. People are not rich for having 2 million followers.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're trying.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not like this, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

But his lawyer's trying to make it seem that way. Mr. Pazewski admits that he's not 100% familiar with social media and his children consider him too old. But he knows that's how people make money today. So he's like, no, he's an influencer. That's why he has five Rolls Royces and a plane.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm telling you, every influencer is in a plane with a Louis Blanket reading Forbes. That's what they do, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, a lot of them do, but I guess they don't necessarily own the planes. He says. And the lawyer says, in my opinion, The FBI and the government here acted illegally when they came. Kidnapped him from Dubai without any legal process to do so. There was no extradition. There were no legal steps taken. There was no court documents filed. It was a simply a call to the FBI. He is not a citizen of the United States. The US had absolutely no authority to take him, which sounds like the U.S. like, we. We don't follow laws. Laws are out.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, he's also rich, so, like, he's also sort of outside the law. I mean, he's white doing this. I was gonna say, if he was white doing this, he probably. I mean, he'd be in the FBI, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. So he's also black. So they were like, how did this negro get all this money? You know, they were just scrolling this Instagram, like, we are gonna take this blackie down.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, totally. I mean, being black in America and being as rich as he pretends to be, he's already trying to. He's waving a red flag to every racist in the FBI.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, look at me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Look at me.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, y' all need somebody to do racism, too. Here I am.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I'm gonna outrun you in my Gucci shoes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So the Dubai police said in a Facebook post, which. Why is every official, like. Like, why are y' all posting on Facebook? Dubai police. Like, I shouldn't be able to heart a Dubai police post. Like, y' all don't got a website. What is this they post?

[Trixie Mattel]

Not to mention the Dubai police. You know, I believe they have morality police in Dubai, where you can fully get, like, killed for being gay. So they should calm down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Some of the girls, Some of the drag queens have performed in Dubai, and the morality police showed up and made them. They're, like, performing at a pride and made them get out of drag, and they had to do their numbers. Out of drag.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's crazy.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. Just put on the wig. And plus, you've seen drag queens out of drag. It's better in the wig. Like, right? They all still got lips and no eyebrows and acrylic nails. Let them put the hair on. Jesus.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, y' all ain't about to change nothing. Nobody in here is about to be demoralized because they're at a drag show. Like, what is. But, you know, culturally, they didn't turn gay, right? Like, please stop. But culturally, they have a lot of stuff going over there. A lot of times I always like to say, Dubai looks like a city that was designed by rappers. Like, it's just, like, very high Low.

[Trixie Mattel]

Some very rich people, like, especially in America, like in la. I mean, not to generalize, but if you meet somebody from Dubai and la, they're probably the richest person you know, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, there's a time that we call Shake Week. When I used to work in restaurants, there was Shake Week, where all the guys from Dubai would come out and come to our restaurant and spend so much money. And so that was like, Shake Week. Like, you wanted to be on the floor, like, slanging that sushi, honey. And then, like, that was.

[Trixie Mattel]

You were a Houston stripper waiting for your hush puppy.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was you at the restaurant. Only I was in Beverly Hills, but I was still in a hoochie outfit slanging sushi and $300 drinks. So, hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. But the Dubai police said on their Facebook that the FBI director had thanked them for extraditing the two men. The U.S. department of justice spokesperson responded in an email saying, you'll have to ask them about why they called it an extradition. Saying, like, we called it an extradition. They had called it of the extradition. We just had extradited him. But that's not the term that we want to use. It's more like, we got him a free flight to the US but he didn't want to come. You can't do extradition if there's an extradition policy, and Dubai has one, so

[Trixie Mattel]

putting the extra in extradition.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They're like, we are. It's more like kidnapping, you know, like kidnapping. So if Dubai wanted to expel him, they should have expelled him back to Nigeria. I've never heard of anything like that. And that's the real story here. That's what his lawyer says. Because basically they're trying to be like, Dubai was like, we was kicking him out. And the US Was like, well, we'll pick him up. And they're like, you can't do that. There's a. No extradition policy in Dubai. You have to send him back to his country in Nigeria anyway.

[Trixie Mattel]

So is he gonna be able to, like, peace out?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, Hushpuppi and Mr. Woodberry, the other Nigerian arrested in Dubai, are currently in custody today in the United States, and they are preparing for trial.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes, girl, that is a. I mean, those are some seriously long sentences. All that money, all that amount of time. I mean, I don't know. I. I just feel bad for anybody. I feel bad for anybody going to jail, but also, like, is it worth it? Do you know what I mean? I mean, ugh, you should have played it much cooler, girl. You could have had a normal Instagram like everybody else and had all this

[Lacey Mosley]

money secretly and nobody would have found you. They literally used your Instagram, bruh. Y', all, if y' all are doing crime out there, please don't post about it. That just seems like normal calibrates, you know? Great.

[Trixie Mattel]

And what's the business? Real estate development. I mean, if we're supposed to believe he's a real estate development, there's nothing on his thing about real estate.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, I saw no real or no and no estates.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, I mean, I would have believed, like, I don't know, he's an influencer or like, if he was a fake DJ or like something where you would travel a lot, maybe have a lot of money. Maybe he sells luxury cars, because there's a lot. But, like, you're gonna say you do real estate and then not have a professional. I mean, is there even a professional website?

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, bruh, Hush Puppy, you could at least took a photo in front of one house with a sold sign. Like something.

[Trixie Mattel]

Not even a real one, like a piece of notebook paper with red crayons.

[Lacey Mosley]

So sold. Like, can you lie to us a little bit?

[Trixie Mattel]

Go to Beverly Hills, Go stand on someone's lawn and just do some thumbs up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Another happy customer, you know, Another happy customer. You're right. And then never, never say anything about the home. Like you could do that, Hushpuppi. Like, all you did was take photos in front of Rolls Royces and post in Gucci. You know, I just. I'm disappointed in you, Hushpuppi, because you

[Trixie Mattel]

so much potential, you could be getting

[Lacey Mosley]

away with this right now, and it's just upsetting, honestly.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you know what? You have a lot of integrity because I know that if you found out about this while it was happening, you wouldn't even have outed him.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no, absolutely not. But the government has already been on his Instagram, so now we're on his Instagram too.

[Trixie Mattel]

Message of hope to Hush Puppy. Good luck, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, Hush Puppy, I hope you make it. I hope you beat the case, though. I really do. I don't want to say that.

[Trixie Mattel]

It would be wonderful if he came out of this and maybe, like, you know, maybe he slowed it down a little bit or maybe he got into. If he gets out of this and he went to a little bit of philanthropy, maybe. I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. Or if he actually got into real

[Trixie Mattel]

estate with that kind of money that he has, you could just become a house flipper. And like, I mean, Once you have enough money, you can just pay people to do the house flipping. And you don't even. You just sit there and make money. I mean, come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, like, come on now. You should have went legit, but. All right, guys. Prayers for Hushpuppi. We'll be right back with Scammer of the Week, Robbery and Fraud. And we're back, guys. And it's my. The saddest part of the show, because this is where I have to let Trixie go. And this has been so, so fun.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm so. I'm so happy for you. I mean, everybody. I love this podcast and the guests you have. A lot of them are people that I just have continued to follow. I love you. I love what you do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. I love you, too. I love the commentary show that you do. Is it on Netflix? Where is that one?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. Netflix pays me and Katya to do recaps, basically, of their original content. And Netflix is crazy because they let us say anything about those programs, and they love it. They don't censor it.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's so good. It's so good. I was shocked at how far they let y'. All.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, we will Deadass. Make fun of a show. And they love it. I mean, they just. I mean, I don't know if they're. They just bought a bunch more episodes. They love it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. It's so good, guys. If you're on Netflix and you want some fun commentary, if you want to feel like there's somebody in your house cause you alone during quarantine, then I highly recommend watching this. But before we go, we have to honor our Scammer of the week, which this week is Gregorio Palomino, a San Antonio event planner who lied to get $39 million from the government as a contract to distribute meals. So here's why I love this scam. I know. Up top, it seems like Greg Gregorio just stole 39 mil that should be going to hungry people from the government, but that's not the case, honey. Okay? Gregorio was granted the $39 million by the U.S. department of Agriculture for its new Farmers to Family food box program. The program is designed to get a surplus food into the hands of desperate families during the COVID 19 pandemic.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? So the contract requires Palomino's company, which is called Create a Date, but it's spelled C R e. The number 8ad. The number 8 create a date. Okay, girl,

[Trixie Mattel]

that's like that scammer whose company was called, like, Unknown Businesses.

[Lacey Mosley]

Remember, right? Like Vague enterprises. Like what? Like, y' all clearly like, now, Gregorio, this is a scammer ass name. You look like a young rapper. This looks like one of those young NBA never broke again. Like, what is this Tekashi looking ass name? So create a date. Had to buy £18 million of food, pack it into 750,000 individual boxes, and transport the boxes to food banks and other nonprofits in seven states, all in less than six weeks. On his company's website, Palomino is listed as USAA Valero Energy and Fiesta San Antonio. He has those people listed amongst his clients. Which. Spoiler. He ain't never worked with Valero or Fiesta.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or usa. Usa. Officials at those companies say they never done business with Palomino or his firm. They said, we don't know her. Who? We don't. Gregoria, we don't know her.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's another scam tip. Like, go big with who you say you work with, but don't go too big. Or they'll be like, no.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, maybe it's harder. Like, once it's a bigger company, it's probably harder to get in touch with a point person who you did work with. You know what I mean?

[Trixie Mattel]

Good point.

[Lacey Mosley]

Versus if you call a small business, the owner's probably gonna pick up and be like, we don't know that girl. So on his company's website, Palomino has listed all these people. Officials say that obviously these companies have heard of them. Their names vanished from the website after the Express News began making inquiries. So Palomino claims to have operations in 27 cities around the world, including Houston, New York, Seattle, San Francisco, Paris, Shanghai, Buenos Aires, Melbourne, Tokyo, and Moscow, but no addresses or phone numbers are listed for any of them. The company website does list an address for Created8's global headquarters in San Antonio, but it's. It appears to be a mailbox at a UPS store in a North side strip mall.

[Trixie Mattel]

Damn. He really went low brow. He said the address is an overturned bucket on the edge of a suburb outside of Long John Silver's and you

[Lacey Mosley]

gotta knock three times and then deliver the mail. I love this because I could see how people. People would be like, this is fucked up. Because it's $39 million that's supposed to be going to hungry families, but he is giving it to the hungry families. He's giving it to them. Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

He's a little bit Robin Hood fantasy, huh? Stealing from the rich.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. He would have never got this contract if he didn't lie about who he worked with and he did employ. Like I read into this further, he employed a bunch of people and got them working, and he's trying to. To make the deadline for the government contract. So to me, it's like, Gregorio probably would have never got this contract because he was too small time. And this is a Latinx man, like, come up king and he's helping people. He's not taking the money.

[Trixie Mattel]

He picked the right year to do this and get exposed as a hero.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right, because he's still doing the job. It's just that they would have never gave him the contract because that's like me getting a contract with the government right now. Like, I don't know how to distribute food. I figured it out with $39 million, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

I get on Google. Why should we trust you? You're like, well, I have a podcast called. Well, you don't need to know what the name is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me think. Why you should trust me. Why you should trust me. Why you should trust me.

[Trixie Mattel]

My podcast. I've never glorified scam behavior, ever. Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, yeah, we're busting them. I'm totally reporting to the bed. But yes, again, the $39 million. Yeah, no, I can work with that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

How long I got?

[Trixie Mattel]

Six weeks, I guess. Good job to him, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I appreciate this. He hired a lot of people in San Antonio, got a lot of local people getting paid and getting coins, and he's doing the work, as far as I know. He's doing the work. He just scammed his way into the contract. But, like, in this country, if you're not a straight white male, chances are you're gonna have to do a little bit of scamming to get somewhere. You know what I mean?

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, any small business is a scam because every small business opens and presents like it's been open forever, right? Every small business is. Is a baby until, like a huge. Like, we're all. It's. It's fake it. Till you make it in every aspect of every industry. I mean, you remember that. Did you ever see Don't Tell mom the Babysitter's dead?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where she literally takes a resume from fashion out of, like, a book and changes a few things, and she says that's her resume. But then when she gets the job, she does a fabulous job. So it really just makes. It makes you think how stupid, like, some people are right for the job, even if they also don't have the experience you're looking for.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, right? The Barriers of entry are so crazy because. And that's always like. That's even the case in the serving industry. I went to fucking bartending school like a fucking loser. When I was in college. Like, my parents were like, you can go to Cancun for spring break or you can go to bartending school. You can't do both. Which sounds just so privileged. But I was like, I'm gonna be an actor, so let me go learn how to mix some damn drinks for, you know, my spring break.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think that's smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Because I was like, I never know how long I'm gonna need to do the side hustle. So I did that shit. I was walking around the city, pedaling around my resume with the bartending school on it. No one would hire me. And then I talked to one of my homegirls, and she said, you don't get a job in the service industry telling the truth. You better lie and put some fake restaurants on there. And put your cousin number down in that. I said, okay. So I used to. At my mom's parties as a kid, she would make us, like, serve people. Like liver pate on a gourmet cracker. We would have to walk around in outfits and serve people.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did you pretend your mom was your boss?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, I did.

[Trixie Mattel]

You better work ho.

[Lacey Mosley]

Soul Images was the name of the company, and it was my mom's phone.

[Trixie Mattel]

Another good fake name, by the way.

[Lacey Mosley]

Another good fake name.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's why you're good at calling these people out, because you have had fake names, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've had terrible fake names like Soul Images. What does that mean? What does that mean? And I put my phone sounds like

[Trixie Mattel]

a portrait studio, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And I put my mama phone number down. And I put my cousin phone number down. Like, I just wrote all these fake restaurants and places that I knew they'd never call. And then I got a job, Work Diva. So, I mean, y', all, sometimes you gotta fake it till you make it. Nobody knows what they're doing. We're all making it up as we go along.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I mean, for any job, too. Okay. That's what you did last time. But, like. And I think a lot of jobs can be learned, and it's really variable how much your experience really prepares you for your new job. Because how many jobs? The title's called coordinator at every company. That means something totally different.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. And you have to learn what that means when you, like, you get on the job training. That's what's crazy about restaurants. They want you to have experience. But at the same time, like, you're gonna have to teach me how to work your POS system. You're gonna have to teach me how to wait your tables. Gonna have to teach me your floor. Like, it's not like you're not gonna have to teach me. You just need me to be a fast learner completely.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, if every restaurant has aloha. I've worked at several restaurants. You still have to relearn their version of aloha.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, Right. It doesn't even matter if it's the same system. So it's like. But there are some things, like Carl Chart's episode where we talked about the doctor who did not go to school and open a practice and was doing booty hole surgeries. So, you know, don't pick up doing booty hole surgeries if you have no experience. That's something you need to. Yeah. Start a little smaller than that. Okay. Billing and coding, maybe.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Work your way up. I don't think you can work your way up in the medical profession.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm sure when they asked you, do you have experience being a podcast host? Said, yes, I do.

[Lacey Mosley]

I did.

[Trixie Mattel]

This one was called Soul Images. And this one was called. This one was called. What was it called? Like, Unseen. It was called like Unsolved Mysteries or something. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

This one was called Listen. Just Listen.

[Trixie Mattel]

I had a podcast you might have heard of, was called npr. I started npr. That's all.

[Lacey Mosley]

I started npr. It was very chill when I started it. Yeah, it was. It was just pr. It was just public radio. And then when it became national.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Then we changed the name to Earwolf. And then I left. Cause I got bored.

[Lacey Mosley]

So anyways, $39 million grant work bitch.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, you know what? She's using her scam for good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So we have reached the end of the show. It's so sad. But where do you want to be found, Trixie? That's what we ask people on the show.

[Trixie Mattel]

You can find me on every single platform at Trixie Mattel. You can shop trixie [e-mail]. you can check me out on Netflix on Queens who like to watch on season five of on the WOW Network. Or I have a YouTube channel. Every single week I have a new upload and it's usually something makeup or foolery related. For Pride Month, we just finished, we cooked an entire month using the Easy Bake Oven. If that lets you know the level of stupidity. Yes. It was crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's amazing.

[Trixie Mattel]

And oh, except on TikTok, I'm Trixie Mattel 8. I do not want to talk about it. That's a scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

What teenager do we need to beat up to get you your name?

[Trixie Mattel]

I have harassed TikTok for it, but I think depending on the week, TikTok has bigger problems.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, right, like the US trying to ban them. Yes. They're like, we're busy, Trixie, we're busy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, we got shit going on. But congratulations. I love your podcast. It's so great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you, thank you. And please let me know whatever middle school I need to pull up to to fight a 12 year old to get you your name on TikTok.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

So disrespectful. Guys, as always, you can find [e-mail] send us your scams and your cons and if you wanna find us, scam GoddessPod on all platforms. And if you wanna find me D I B A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. All right, congregation, stay scheming. Gam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco, Scammed by the Stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Kargbo and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming. Fresh summer mornings start at the sink. That's where hello comes in with toothpaste that brightens your routine, bringing a little yay to your everyday. Say goodbye to tartar and brush away plaque with hello's anti plaque and whitening toothpaste. Or say hello to a brighter smile powered by vitamin C. With vitamin C whitening toothpaste, hello products are thoughtfully designed with no sls, dyes or artificial flavors, making them the one thing your summer routine can't live without. Shop hello toothpaste online or at a store near you.