The Hoodwinking Hipster with Lilan Bowden

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Scam Goddess

Episode: "The Hoodwinking Hipster" with Lilan Bowden

Release Date: November 3, 2020

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Episode Overview

In this entertaining episode, host Laci Mosley (the Scam Goddess) welcomes comedian and actress Lilan Bowden for a lively, laughter-filled discussion about scams both personal and historic. They exchange their own playful, childhood con stories before diving into the notorious exploits of Kari Ferrell, AKA "the Hipster Grifter." The episode blends true con history with hilarious parody, sharp social commentary, and memorable tangents about pop culture and the art of scheming.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Scam Origins and Childhood Cons

[00:00 – 08:13]

• Laci kicks off with signature energy, hyping up guest Lilan Bowden (Andi Mack, Always Sunny in Philadelphia).
• Lilan professes her fascination with scammers and con artists, referencing figures like Anna Delvey and the Netflix wine fraud doc.
• Lilan admits her own childhood scams:
  • 6th grade: Charged classmates a quarter to "read" fortunes using a made-up finger-tip system.
  • 7th grade: Resold discounted Easter-themed Tootsie Pops at school for a profit.
• Both hosts bond over childhood games like MASH and discuss minor cheating and the psychology of fate (04:44).
• Memorable schoolyard hustle moments include Laci recounting near eligibility for "little people" DMV benefits and humorous takes on height fraud (09:03).

“I love that you were out here slanging tootsies and fortunes — kid fortunes!”
— Laci Mosley [04:48]

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2. Listener Letter: Doctor Title Scam & Identity Schemes

[08:13 – 23:34]

• Listener "Dr. Sharma" shares her real-life "scam": Letting patients and colleagues assume she is a medical doctor due to her nurse practitioner status and ambiguous Irish-Indian name, improving patient care access.
• Laci and Lilan riff on the social perks and pitfalls of name-based assumptions, code-switching, and their own kid hustle stories.
• Laci describes running a childhood babysitting business that ended after her parents shut it down for safety reasons, revealing the complex dynamics of trust, race, and community (18:03).

“My parents had to go over there at 2am…and now my business is shut down. Thanks, guys.”
— Laci Mosley [21:53]

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3. Historic Hoodwink: The Hipster Grifter, Kari Ferrell

[23:34 – 68:24]

Part 1: Salt Lake City Scams & Early Cons

• Deep dive into Kari Ferrell’s origin: A popular figure in Salt Lake City’s straight-edge scene who conned people using charm, sex appeal, and fantastically audacious lies.
• Early scams include check fraud (over $10,000) using fake checks, banking loopholes, and strategic roommate manipulation.
• Discussion about the prevalence and evolution of check fraud, with both hosts swapping anecdotes about dealing with banks and odd ATM requirements (41:17).

“If anybody tells you they can’t deposit checks in their bank account—never let anyone use your bank account. That’s like someone saying, ‘my toothbrush not working right now, can I use yours?’”
— Laci Mosley [31:59]

Part 2: New York Hipster Scene & Vice Magazine

• Kari moves to Brooklyn, lands an admin job at Vice Magazine by faking credentials (Goldenvoice/Coachella connections), and scams her way into exclusive events and swag.
• She requests products for “review”—from DVDs to, humorously, fake “Goodyear tires” and tampons (made-up for effect).
• Laci and Lilan discuss the wildness of office instant messaging, the art of workplace “weird flexes,” and the 2000s hipster aesthetic.

“She had a tattoo on her back that read ‘I love beards’…She quirky, quirky now!”
— Laci Mosley [40:31]

Part 3: Sexually Aggressive Pickup Lines and Bar Cons

• Kari gains a reputation for sending provocative—and bizarre—notes to men:
  • “I want to give you a hand job with my mouth. — Korean Abdul Jabbar” [59:24]
  • “I want you to throw a hot dog down my hall.” [60:57]
• The hosts riff on the adolescent awkwardness and chaotic humor of her pickup style.

Part 4: Social Media, Getting Caught, and Ongoing Schemes

• After press exposes her, Kari tweets about her exploits, blurring lines between confession and performance (64:01).
• Despite serving time for fraud, she’s rumored to still scam, including attempts to sneak into New York Fashion Week in 2018 by pretending to work there.

“She’s still scamming, and that’s what I love for her. I love that she’s basically doing sexual harassment at local bars and pubs.”
— Laci Mosley [67:19]

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4. Scammer of the Week: Soulja Boy’s Game Console Fiasco

[71:37 – 78:26]

• Laci details Soulja Boy’s notorious—but hilariously ill-fated—attempt to sell knockoff, unlicensed gaming consoles with pirated software, drawing the wrath of Nintendo.
• The hosts muse about the fantasy of a real “Soulja Game” and the eternal hustle of celebrity “brand” schemes.

“If Soulja Boy put out a game where you got to be the protagonist—‘Crank That’ all over the neighborhood—people would buy it.”
— Lilan Bowden [77:58]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On straight-edge culture:
  “How do you aggressively not do drugs?…Just go to bars and judge people?”
  — Laci Mosley [25:21]

• On impulse tattoos and 2000s hipster fads:
  “I've never understood fad tattoos…we all looked like a dumbass in joutfits in the early 2000s.”
  — Laci Mosley [41:41]

• On Kari’s legendary Twitter persona:
  “Me Faking cancer < DiCaprio faking being a doctor in Catch Me If You Can.”
  — Kari Ferrell tweet, read by Laci Mosley [64:01]

• On “relative crime” and bank scams:
  “Who really suffered here? Bank of America? They’ll be fine.”
  — Laci Mosley [82:21]

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Key Timestamps

00:00 – 08:13

Introductions, Lilan Bowden’s scam fascination, childhood con stories

08:13 – 23:34

Listener scam: Dr. Sharma, name and identity scams, Laci’s babysitting business shut-down

23:34 – 68:24

Main segment: The Hipster Grifter (Kari Ferrell)

• [31:59] – “Never let anyone use your bank account”
• [59:24] – "I want to give you a hand job with my mouth" note
• [64:01] – Reading Kari’s infamous tweets

68:24 – 71:37

Animal power during quarantine (squirrel/ coyote tangent)

71:37 – 78:26

Scammer of the Week: Soulja Boy’s game console scam

78:26 – End

Closing remarks, plugs, bonus tweets from Kari ("I'm inmate 295558...")

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Further Listening & Plugs

• Follow Lilan Bowden: @yourfriendlilan (Instagram / Twitter)
• Follow the show: @ScamGoddessPod
• Submit your scam stories: Only retired scams, please!

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Tone, Style & Final Thoughts

• High-energy, irreverent, and full of cultural deep-cuts and comedic tangents.
• Both hosts blend sharp social commentary with playful, confessional humor about race, hustle, and the allure of con artistry.
• The episode relishes in the absurdity and audacity of scammers, with a strong throughline of "True Con" storytelling: true crime, minus the violence.

“Why am I still talking? This episode is over. All right, congregation—stay schemin’!”
— Laci Mosley [79:34]

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Perfect for listeners who love comedic takes on true con stories, scam culture, and the colorful personalities driving the world’s most audacious ruses.

Transcript

[Laci Mosley]

Scams. C. Robbery and fraud. Scam. Cause robbery and fraud. What's poppin, Congregation? We are back with another installment of Scam Goddess. It is I. Wow. What if I just said it is I all the time? It is I, Lacy Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Wel back, y'. All. And 1, 2, 3. Say it with me. I am very. What? Yes. If you don't know what that blank is, then you don't listen to this show often enough, and I will not tell you. But yes. Guys, I am very excited for today's guest. You have seen her as a star of the hit show Andi Mack. You can see her currently on Always Sunny in Philadelphia. She has a film that's popping on the circus right now. Y'. All. Y' all need to be straight. Becoming Eddie Henny. Okay? The girls are loving it. I have Ms. Leon Bowden.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh. That intro just got me excited about myself.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes.

[Leelan Bowden]

I was like, I'm so cool.

[Laci Mosley]

That's exactly what I want the intro to do. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I get it wrong. And everyone will always reach out to me and tell me when I got it wrong. And they're like, you fucked up her name.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, that's. Yeah, from, like, the episodes. I've listened to your fans. Like, you. Like, they watch everything, and they're very particular.

[Laci Mosley]

They scam you because I thought I did this. I started doing this because I was like, oh, this would be fun. I'm doing this for me. And then at some point, it turned, and now it's like, if they get angry, I'm like, I'm sorry, guys. What did I do?

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, you now serve them.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, I'm trying to get my power back. Yeah.

[Leelan Bowden]

The power balance is in flux.

[Laci Mosley]

No, it's fine. I love it. I love the enthusiasm. Wow. Okay, so wait, Lila, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed or have you ever done a scam?

[Leelan Bowden]

Lacey.

[Laci Mosley]

That you can talk about?

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm so glad you asked.

[Laci Mosley]

I'm.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm obsessed with, like. Okay, so I'll go with my interest first and then my experience second. Great interest. I am obsessed with scams. I love con men. I love cult leaders. I mean, I don't love love them, but I love learning about them. Like, I. I was all about that soho grifter.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh, yes. Anna Delvey.

[Leelan Bowden]

Anna Delvey, icon. I mean, icon. That documentary about that wine guy. The guy who's just like, Rudy. Yes. I mean, you know. You know, all these things, I talk

[Laci Mosley]

about them like, they're my old friends. I'm like, oh, Rudy the homie.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yes.

[Laci Mosley]

Grape drank on deck.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yes, lovely. I'm. I'm just. I can't get enough of Professional Liars. I just think it's great. And then, personally, like, I feel like the reason why I love seeing documentaries and stuff about, like, Colson's games and stuff like that, because I. I'm so trusting. Like, I feel like I am just right there as a great target. So it's like I have to do everything to protect myself. But before this podcast, I was thinking about, like, me in sixth grade, and I ran a scam. And I ran a scam. I was in sixth grade, and I told people that I could read fortunes on their hand, not like a palm reader. I had made up my own system. So I remember this. Each tip of your finger stood for some type of aspect of your life. The pinky was your career, and the ring was your relationship and self, like those MASH categories.

[Laci Mosley]

And in sixth grade, everybody's like, 11. Yeah, yeah, 10. Or 11. I think it was 10, but yeah. So what are they gonna do? Say, like, I didn't get the car I wanted, like, 10 years later, like, you have plenty of time to run from this scam. I like this.

[Leelan Bowden]

They can't find me. Oh, I charged everybody a quarter. Yes.

[Laci Mosley]

And we made some coin.

[Leelan Bowden]

Literally, we made some coins. And then I continued a different one in seventh grade, where I don't know if this is, like, a scam scam, but I think it was very smart on me. Right after Easter, Tootsie Pops were selling for a quarter a bag because they were Easter themed.

[Laci Mosley]

The Markdown.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah. And so I was like, hey, dad, buy me, like, five pounds of Tootsie Pops. Like. Or like. Like, just like, 30 pounds of Tootsie Pops. Like, tons and tons of Tootsie Pops. And he was like, okay. And I kept them in my backpack in seventh grade, and I would sell them for a quarter each to glass.

[Laci Mosley]

Wow. Wow. I made.

[Leelan Bowden]

I made. I made quarter money.

[Laci Mosley]

Leela, you are a serial entrepreneur, and I love it. I love that you were out here slanging tootsies and fortunes. Kid. Fortunes. Wait, so do you ever. Do you remember any of these fortunes that you ever told or what? Like, what types of things you would tell the children?

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah, I mean, it's so weird.

[Laci Mosley]

It's like.

[Leelan Bowden]

It's like someone else was driving the car. Like, I didn't have any conscious thought of. It's just like, I know what I'll do today.

[Laci Mosley]

Maybe you were clairvoyant.

[Leelan Bowden]

Maybe this wasn't a scam at all and I was just channeling my divine powers to enlighten these sixth graders. But, like, so I would, like, push around. Like, I claim to see images in the tips of their fingers. So, like, they would give me their hand and I would kind of, like, kind of like, like squeeze the tip of their finger and like, move the blood vessels around and be like, okay, so apparently you're going to have like three children. Like, one of the. One of the tips of the fingers were just for children, you know, just for the children you're gonna have. You know, like, I mean, it wasn't terribly, like, thought out.

[Laci Mosley]

You were giving the girls an experience, though. You're rubbing the tip of their finger, you, like, you know, close your eyes or whatever. Also, like, kids. I wonder how many people were like, oh, see, a psy once told me in school that I would have three kids. Like, how many lives you change the course of?

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh, probably zero. Like, probably 100% zero. Nah, nah.

[Laci Mosley]

Somebody's holding onto that Leland fortune, waiting for their Porsche and their two and a half kids.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, think about, like, did you ever play MASH when you were like, a young one?

[Laci Mosley]

No, I don't dabble in the devil.

[Leelan Bowden]

See, there you go. Well, I got mansions all the time when I played mash. Sometimes I got apartments. And then Shaq. Mansion, apartment, shack, house, which is.

[Laci Mosley]

I always got Shaq. And then I started cheating because then I was like, oh, you got to just count. So I'd be like, making sure my number was, like, odd enough that it would never land on Shaq.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, that's like. That's also smart. That's like counting cards. You have to think about that.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah. But then if you're good at that, then it's like, if you have to count, then it's probably like, why are you even playing if you don't believe in the fate of it? But I always got Shaq. And then we would do it with random celebrities, and I would always get like, Urkel or like, what's the one who bit somebody Ear off. Who was nibbling on the ear? Mike Tyson.

[Leelan Bowden]

Mike Tyson.

[Laci Mosley]

I was getting like, Mike Tyson.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh my gosh. I definitely. I definitely got Urkel. And then. And like, I wasn't a cool kid. So, like, friends were like, yep, that makes sense. Hahaha. I hated it. So I scammed them.

[Laci Mosley]

Right. And I appreciate that. I love this scam. I approve of this scam. Yeah, we would do with B2K, too. And I would always end up with somebody bootleg like Raspy, who nobody ever wanted to be with Raz B.

[Leelan Bowden]

They.

[Laci Mosley]

I mean, mostly it was his name. Like, who thought of this name? Like, it sounds like a boogie.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm looking up a picture.

[Laci Mosley]

Cause it's like Lil Fizz, who was cute. Omarion, who's the cutest, in my opinion. Then J Bug, who's also cute. And then there's Razz B. And it's just they gave him the worst name. And he also was my least favorite.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's so funny.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh, good old Razzie. That's a deep cut for some of you guys. Well, I like these scams, Lena. I think that this is very enjoyable. You may not be as much of a mark as you think you are if you were running these little cons.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh. This means so much.

[Laci Mosley]

Well, guys, let's get into our first segment, which is what's hot and fraud. So I'm gonna share with you a listener letter. We just get your opinions all throughout. This one comes from. Oh, she says, insert compliments regarding your show. Oh, thank you. So sweet. I guess I have to call this person by the name that put in here. But you can't figure out who it is that easily, I think. But they. It's important. So I think that's why they wrote it this way. They didn't say, leave my name out. So I'm like, okay, okay. That's my disclaimer. Allegedly. Allegedly. Okay, don't sue me, okay? If you sue me, I'll be showing up with my billboard lawyer. Y' all know how I do. I'm gonna cruise Hollywood Boulevard, find the nearest Abugado, Okay. And I'm gonna have a neck brace, so don't sue me. Okay? So I've been hesitant about emailing you my scam as it's impossible to retire it.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay.

[Laci Mosley]

But what the heck? It's 2020, right? It sure is. And everything's on fire, literally. So. So you go ahead and share your scam, girl. So she said, this is. This scam is my life, literally unknowingly granted to me by my parents. I'm sure you see by my profile picture that I'm a white female. Yes, I do. You cute, too. Hey, girl. She says I stand five feet tall. On a good day of note, I did bribe the DMV to put that I'm 5:2 on my driver's license, which is another scam I admit to engaging in. I love that. I Didn't know you could lie about your height. I could be 6ft. I'm 5:1. On a good day, I'm pretty short. And I was so short that I was close to, like, getting, like, little people benefits. So I didn't know that I could because, like, when you get a little bit, you can get a handicap sticker. You can get a stipend. And I was like. But then I didn't make it. Like, I got. By the time I was 18, I was over 5ft. And I think you have to be like 48 or 4 11. It was something attainable for me. So I could have gone to the DMV and just lied on my driver's license and been like, yes, I am four nine, and. And scam the government. But you know what? I can't be scamming against people, so it's fine. But I didn't know that you could do this. And now I want to. Maybe I could make myself 6ft tall. I feel like I have a tall personality. I could put.

[Leelan Bowden]

You do have a tall personality. I mean, I don't know how that

[Laci Mosley]

would help me in life, but maybe

[Leelan Bowden]

I know, especially I feel like height with women, you're like, what is the. Like, what benefits me when, you know,

[Laci Mosley]

we don't have an ideal? Unless you want to be a model. There's really no ideal height for women. However, for men, I do feel bad because it's like, if you're like five six and under, you know, life is hard.

[Leelan Bowden]

It's rough. It's rough out there. Like, you know, from my. From my male friends who are on dating apps, they're. They're getting killed out there, you know,

[Laci Mosley]

like, and it's just the apps. You meet a guy that height in person, you're like looking for chemistry. You're looking at if, you know, they eyebrows or they. If they. Under the fingernails is clean. You know, you're looking for something like that, you're not looking at their height as much. But on a website, for some reason, height. Yeah, it's. Yeah.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah.

[Laci Mosley]

And any. Any man who says that he is 5:9 is a liar. 5:9 is not a real height. You heard it here first. Okay? Everybody who's five nine is five seven or lower. No one is actually five nine. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, there now you know.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh.

[Laci Mosley]

Whenever I see 59 on a dating app, I'm like, now why you over here lying

[Leelan Bowden]

liar?

[Laci Mosley]

Just tell me you're five six. I like a short king. Okay, we're gonna be down on the ground Find a change together. Because I'm short too. I can make that joke.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm short.

[Laci Mosley]

So let's move on into Dr. Dr. Sharma here. So she lied to the DMV. Wonderful. I love it. She says I work as a nurse practitioner, though the role of mid level providers is controversial. I'm lucky enough to work in roles that give me a significant amount autonomy. Okay. I mainly work in family medicine, adolescent medicine, addiction medicine, and psychiatry. The point I want to make is, no, I'm not a doctor, but yes, I know my shit. Okay? This is giving me very Jada Pinkett. She had a TV show called rn. I think that's what it was called. Oh, it was called Hawthorne, but then the R and the N were capitalized. That's what it is. So she was on the show and I think it got canceled. But I always loved the idea of this show because it was a nurse who, like, knew better than all the doctors and was always, like, cussing all the doctors out. And I was like, jada, this ain't a real thing. Jada would be in the hospital like, I need 12 cc's. You can't order medicine. You are a nurse. She's like, get it to me now and give me a knife. Like, give me a knife at the hospital. And the nurse show up in scrubs. She about to cut on you with some shit. Like, that's what Jada's show is about.

[Leelan Bowden]

I need to watch this also. We were talking earlier about, like, doctors not knowing everything. Maybe you need that nurse with a knife. You need a nurse yelling for a knife for you. It could save your life.

[Laci Mosley]

I need Jada Pinkett. Smooth. Just showing up at all my doctor's appointments like you don't know what you're talking about. Give me a knife. It's like, ma', am, I just have asthma. No, the knife. We gonna fix your asthma right now. I'm your nurse. And this is no shade to nurses at all. Cause it's a hard job and it's a lot of schooling. I'm just saying that show cracked me up because she was like, when I tell you there's never been a show that was more like, fuck doctors.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Laci Mosley]

It was great. I wish it had stayed on. I thought it was hilarious. So is it?

[Leelan Bowden]

I haven't watched Hawthorne. It's not supposed to be hilarious though, right?

[Laci Mosley]

No, no, no, no.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, you know, I'm looking. I'm looking at the, like, the screenshot of it. You are so right. In tone like I don't know. Can you see this on my dirty phone? Not really.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh yes, yes.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like she's, she's running with like a tank top on and her like shirt, her doctor lab coat busting open with like name tags just like flying in the wind. She's got a pager on, her skinny jeans and she, she's running to get a knife.

[Laci Mosley]

Why is she the first one running to get the knife? Where's the doctor? Oh man, I love it so much and I love that they had to make it sexy. They're like her lab coat bustles in the wind as her breasticles and her name tag flap up and down like what is this? I have never seen nobody in a wife beater. If you show up to my hospital room in a wife beater and a white top, tank top

[Leelan Bowden]

also like in mid stride too. So it's like flapping behind her like a cape. I mean right?

[Laci Mosley]

Everything in the hospital is an emergency. You can't be running around that bitch all the time.

[Leelan Bowden]

You'll get tired, you need breaks.

[Laci Mosley]

I love it. So Dr. Sharma, I feel you. She said, I know my shit. Okay. Many doctors I'm sure are well meaning, no shade to doctors. Most of you are great but refuse to consult with anyone whose name isn't followed by MD or doctor. Lucky for me and my straight off the plane from Ireland mom's heritage. My first name is Sharma. In Ireland it's short for Sharon plus Mary. In India it's a very common surname. Historically specialized as priests, teachers and protectors of sacred learning across generations, someone did their Googles.

[Leelan Bowden]

Wow, wow, wow.

[Laci Mosley]

She said I lifted the quote straight from Wikipedia. She said the scam is I never correct anyone when they call me Dr. Sharma, it's a assumed it's my last name. Families think I'm fancy, doctors will take my calls and my patients have another obstacle removed from their access to care. Win, win. Question mark. I hope. Also, if anyone wants to ask why I didn't go to medical school, feel free to ask me about being a young single mother at 19 and finding it unrealistic to spend $250,000 in debt in addition to taking care of another human. I love being a nurse and I'm grateful I was able to graduate school and become a nurse practitioner. Luckily my very cynical now 13 year old and I are doing just fine. Fine, fine, fine. I added that. I blame a lot of that on my. Okay, okay girl. We got to a existential moment here at the end but I do, I do appreciate

[Leelan Bowden]

Sometimes, you know, you write a letter, but also you just want to. You want to be able to just, like, say some things, you know, and

[Laci Mosley]

that's okay, sis, she said, and in conclusion, all my life, I had to fight. Okay, sis. It's interesting because I've seen this done before. I've done this myself. My name is Lacey Mosley. Not a lot of people will assume that's black, so, I mean, it's opposite here, because this is a white woman. But I have definitely let people assume that I was white until, like, the very last moment.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's really interesting because, like. Like a. Like a doctor is like, a definable thing, but, like. Like, I could imagine someone being like, oh, I thought you were a doctor. Like, but do people say to you, I thought you were wet?

[Laci Mosley]

They say it mostly with their ass, you know, like, they open the door and then they get a little wider, like, hey. And then they ask me, like, are you Lacey? And I'm like, yup, that's me.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, wow.

[Laci Mosley]

And I. I don't know if I've talked about this on this show. I do so many podcasts, but I used to babysit, and I had a babysitting service in my neighborhood until my parents ruined it. Shout out to them. They ruined my business. Wait, wait, wa.

[Leelan Bowden]

Wait. I don't want to tangent on tangent, but, like, how did your parents ruin your.

[Laci Mosley]

Okay, I'll tell you how they ruined my business. It ties into this. So I would leave these little door tags I just printed off of computer paper and cut and put a little rubber band through on people's doorknobs. Now, this is back in the day when you off, you advertise your babysitter service to your local neighbors, right? And, you know, you didn't have to be on Care Now. You didn't have to have a certificate of cpr. You know, you didn't have to pass a background check. You just had to be like, 13, and people will leave their kids with you, right? Simpler times, they're like, are you 13 and a woman? Get in here. Get in here. Watch these kids.

[Leelan Bowden]

Get in here.

[Laci Mosley]

One of them needs insulin. You'll figure it out. They just leave. They'll tell you which one needs insulin. Just leave. You'll figure it out.

[Leelan Bowden]

You get it?

[Laci Mosley]

We call them fainty. You'll see, like, people don't give a fuck who they left their kids with. So I would leave these little tags. And then when people call me, I kind of code switch. I'd be like, hi, yeah, this is Lacey. And then I show up, I'd be like, hey, what's up? Where them kids at? Yeah, where's Fainty? So I used to do this. And then by the time they were ready and made their plans to go out my black ass already there. So they about to, you know, let me in and let me have snacks. So the reason that this ended was because I had cheerleading tryouts once and. And I got called back. And so I couldn't go babysit like I was supposed to. So I sent a friend, because I'm telling you, in these times, if you were 13, I just sent another black 13 year old over there. I was like, my homegirl gonna come over there, Aaron. She gonna babysit your kids. And I was like, but I'm sorry. I was like a good business person. So I was like, the next time I babysit for you, it'll be free. Okay, so cut to I babysit for them. These motherfuckers leave at 7 o'. Clock. They don't come back till like 1:30 in the morning. I had fallen asleep. Remind you, I'm 13, 14 years old, right? Falling asleep in one of the little girl's beds. And my parents are blowing me the fuck up. They're pissed. And so they caught and I was like, oh, they haven't come home yet. And my mom was like, they had to come home. I'm about to call cps. I was like, mom.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my gosh.

[Laci Mosley]

She was like, who do they think they are? They got my black baby out here working. Like, we need they money. We don't need they money.

[Leelan Bowden]

And so I. I love your mom.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, I left and the dad like gave me all the money in his wallet. When he got back, I could tell he was visibly drunk. And then they didn't drive me home. I walked home and I lived like a couple streets away and it's like the suburbs. It's super safe. At least I felt like I was. But when I showed up at my parents doorstep, my mom was like. And they didn't drop you off? So I went upstairs and thought it was all over and I went to bed. Turns out my parents had drove back over there.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh.

[Laci Mosley]

Cussed them out, and was like, we don't need your fucking money. She will not be babysitting for you ever again. Like a mess. And then they told the whole neighborhood. Ruin my babysitting service. Champ. Oh, my gosh.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know, I gotta say though, it is so, like heartening to hear like a mom like, go to bat for her kid like that. Like, I feel like my mom would be like, what are you doing? Like, like, my mom always, always would side with whoever else. Like, it didn't matter who they were or if what they did or anything. She'd be like, what did you do wrong? It was like, I never. I never could win. And so just hearing that, like, your mom was like, we don't need your money. Like, is so. Like, I love that.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah. After that, I got an allowance because I think they were trying to be like, oh, we don't want to spoil you. Like, you have to know the value of hard work. But after that, they just started giving me money. They were like, you ain't working for these white folks. You are not their slave.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know the value of hard work. You're fine. You're fine. You have some money.

[Laci Mosley]

I was like, so you went over to their house at 2am and gave them a slavery speech. And now my business is shut down. Thanks, guys.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm so sorry about your business, but I love everything else about the story.

[Laci Mosley]

I would rather have free money, honestly. I would rather have free money for my parents any day. And I respect and love their choices, and I think they're hilarious. It was just funny to me because I never found out from them that they went and cussed them out. I found out from, like, one of my other clients.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh, that's. I mean, I just think that's amazing. I like, coming from, like, a family whose parents are very uncontramentational. And, like, also, I think it's like kind of like an Asian thing where it's like you mistrust your child and you trust all adults, you know, like, so it's just like, oh, this is fun. This is fun to hear. For me, I love it.

[Laci Mosley]

Right. My parents had that too, until it was very clear that because of where we live, there's just so much racism that they couldn't trust anybody else. So then it became like, me and my parents loved to, like, my parents threatened to sue the school board. Boy, wow. Think about it.

[Leelan Bowden]

This is. I'm loving all of it.

[Laci Mosley]

People were doing racism to me, and my parents really felt, especially my mother felt the need to be like, ah, we have lawyers, and that's awesome. That's not how she talks at all, but she's amazing. I said, you know what? I got lucky.

[Leelan Bowden]

But because, I mean, the other end of the spectrum is you could get parents who are just like. Like, please just do what the white people do, which Is like very like, like I'm more familiar with that.

[Laci Mosley]

Right?

[Leelan Bowden]

Please, like, please, like just be nice to the white people.

[Laci Mosley]

And that's survival. You know, we all have had to do that because it's just simply survival. So I fully understand both sides of this coin. But guys, we're going to take a quick break for some non scam advertisements. We'll be right back. All right, and we are back. And it's time for my favorite section of the show, Historic hoodwings. This is when I will regale Ms. Leland with a very famous con caper, Maybe a scammer worthy of our praise. We'll see. I never know until the end. We'll get her thoughts all throughout. She'll interject, she'll ask questions that I may or may not have the answer to. That's why we have have Google. And if not, I may make it up. But I always tell you guys, when I make things up, just to be fair, I want you guys to be able to accurately quote at dinner parties that you go to. I feel like. Okay, so today we're talking about Kari Farrell. She's a 20 something socialite that scammed her way around Salt Lake City and Brooklyn. Her scamming consisted of using aggressive sex appeal. Aggressive sex appeal. Okay, very interesting to see what aggressive sex appeal spells out and wild lies to get money, event admission, and social status. Okay, let's let Lila see a picture of Kari Farrell. So as a teenager, Kari was 17 at the time. She would hang out in Salt Lake City on the straight edge scene. Do you know what straight edge is?

[Leelan Bowden]

It's like you don't. You aggressively don't do drugs and like drink liquor. And then you also beat people up. Who do I think? I don't know.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, I'm like, how do you aggressively not do drugs? Like, I know how you aggressively do drugs, but like, like there's a house every day. Like, I'm sober, I'm sober. Like, what's the.

[Leelan Bowden]

Well, you have to go out and impose your will on others. Is my understanding of like, people who are like, aggressive, straight edge, you know, they're like, nobody, nobody.

[Laci Mosley]

He does drugs, he go to bars and just like judge people. Like, oh, you buying another shot from

[Leelan Bowden]

like my, from my not. I mean, this could be outdated information or just incorrect. But like, I, I do that. Like a lot of, like, like a lot of strange people start fights. Like, they like literally just start fights, you know?

[Laci Mosley]

Well, I guess you got to get your aggression out somehow. If you're not gonna pick A vice.

[Leelan Bowden]

I know that. There it is. Okay, so here she is.

[Laci Mosley]

She hung out on the straight ledge. Yeah, so she's a cutie. So she was hanging out on the straight edge scene aggressively, not doing drugs or alcohols. That's where she met Casey Hansen. Ooh, that name. Who was a couple of years older than her. She just kind of messaged me out of nowhere, commenting on my MySpace profile picture. That's what Hanson said. So Kari told Hansen that she was 18 and had graduated from high school that year, even though her driver's license said she was 17. So I love this coming back to the driver's license, especially since the DMV lets you hook it up, because I didn't know you could make changes.

[Leelan Bowden]

I think they just don't chat. Like. I mean, no one. No one there loves. Loves what they do.

[Laci Mosley]

I think no one's passionate about working at the dmv.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know, no one's putting on their badge and I think spritzing themselves with, like, some Mario Badescu, you know, spray and being like, today is a winner for me.

[Laci Mosley]

I used to think that the DMV was a hater job, but after spending an extensive amount of time there for many traffic violations and refusals to register my car,

[Leelan Bowden]

I will not. I will not outweigh a group.

[Laci Mosley]

What is the. What are the straightish people there? They're aggressively not drinking. So I was aggressively refusing to. To register my car. And I used to have an old lady who I would go to every time I forget her name. But it took me so long to register my car that by the time I came for, like, the last time, I was like, oh, where's miss so and so? Because she already know my history. They're like, girl, she retired. I was like, what? No.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's why she was so happy.

[Laci Mosley]

But she was hooking it. That's right. That's probably why she was hooking it up, because she would give me permits on permits on permits. I had so many operating permits taped to my fucking car, bitch.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know, I will say I think I've seen the one person who. I saw it, I think likes being at the dmv. I just, like, everything expired at once. My car broke down and my license expired, and I wasn't able to go online to get it renewed, even though I could have. And, like, there was. And also, like, during quarantine, you can't get anybody on the phone. They cut down. Like, they shut down all the phone

[Laci Mosley]

lines, which seems like the thing that's the safest to be on. Yeah, like, how y' all gonna be like, oh, it's quarantine. We can't handle phone calls, bitch. I can't through the line.

[Leelan Bowden]

You should only. Yeah, like, it should only be phone. But no, it's. It's three hours in the sun. That's. That's the new way to talk to anybody at the DMV is three hours in the sun. But, like, there was a guy there who was in knee high boots, like, knee high military boots. And like, this was a hot, hot day. And he was just strolling out and, like, he would hang out inside. And finally when I got inside, where I had to wait in my, like, segregated, like, little. Little square away from everybody, you know, is like, he was like, right next to me and. And I was like, so do you ride a motorcycle or do you ride horses or something?

[Laci Mosley]

He's like, figure out why he got on these boots.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, these boots were so outrageous, you know? And like, otherwise, extremely normal dude. Extremely, extremely normal looking dude. Like, not like a punk style thing, you know? And he was like, no, I love this. I have about 50 pairs just like these.

[Laci Mosley]

Wow. And the Albert Einstein of boots. He just.

[Leelan Bowden]

His whole thing was he loved boots and he loved big knee high boots. Does not do an activity that corresponds with those boots. The rest of the wardrobe does not match justice.

[Laci Mosley]

I love it.

[Leelan Bowden]

And looked like he was on a great time. The one person. The one person.

[Laci Mosley]

That's all that matters. As long as he's having a great time, we're pleased. Well, so she said that her driver's license was wrong because it said 17, but don't worry, girl, I'm 18. Okay, so Kari said that the reason her driver's license was weird is because her birth certificate is a little off, and she had been adopted from South Korea. So she had a whole backstory as to why it's not the right age. That summer, Cari Farrell moved in with him, and shortly got a fraud alert from her bank account saying that someone tried to cash a check of hers. So this is Casey Hansen. She was like, hey, Casey, I'm definitely 18 and not a minor, and I just graduated from high school. Can I live in your home? And Casey said yes. So as soon as she moves in, the bank is like, hey, car girl, something weird is going on with your bank account, sis. So because of this, she wasn't able to pay rent for a bit. So she told Casey, like, hey, the bank called and said that I tried to deposit a fake check. So I actually can't give you no rent right now. Now. Okay, so the first light scam. So a few months later, she told Hansen that she was finally able to access the money that she hadn't been able to get because of the previous fraud on her account. She started depositing all these checks into my account, literally depositing 300, 500, and 1100 dollars at a time. So this is Casey talking. Casey says that Kari kept saying she couldn't use her ATM card, telling him, you cash these checks and give me the money. Oh, Kyrie, this is the old scam in the book. And I talked about this on. You'll hear me talk about it on a different episode, too. But my little sister fell prey to this scam. So, no, it was an accident. But, guys, if anybody tells you they can't deposit checks in their bank account or, oh, you know, my bank account not working right now. Can I use yours? Never let anyone use your bank account. That's the weirdest thing. That's like somebody saying, oh, my toothbrush not working right now. Can I use yours? I mean, there's some things that should always only be for you.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah, like. Yeah, like a toothbrush. I would lend a toothbrush and be like, keep it. But like, the bank account is like. That's like. Yeah.

[Laci Mosley]

Anyway, anyway, girl, something wrong with my Social Security number. Can I use yours?

[Leelan Bowden]

Yes. Like, I just need to borrow your social just for real quick.

[Laci Mosley]

No, it's gonna be cool. Just real quick. Let me have it. So he should have known better. One day, Kari gave Chris Hansen. Well, I call him Chris Hansen now. His name is Casey Hansen. I just don't like that name. I don't know why. So one day, Kari gave Hansen a check for $1,200. And he asked the bank teller, are these good? I assume they are, because you guys just keep giving me money, and you're a bank, but can you check on this? And the teller said that they were good. Hmm. Okay. I mean, I appreciate him asking about it, but, I mean, if the bank is giving you money, I would just not ask no questions, right?

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, that's how you know it's good, is that you get money. If it's bad, you don't.

[Laci Mosley]

So this went on for a total of $10,600 before the bank belatedly realized that the checks were written from an account that wasn't even open. Damn. Okay, I'm sorry. If we tend in the hole, that's when we got to call the F, the D, the I, and the C. Because I will not be giving you this $10,000. Y' all need to call. Is it the bank insured? Okay, you better get Jake from Allstate on the phone or whoever. Jake from State Farm, bitch. Or that. The Black man from 24. Okay, Flo, you better call her, because I'm not giving you $10,000 back.

[Leelan Bowden]

I know she just works in cars, but, like, surely. Surely Flo has been, you know, on the scene. She. She knows people. She can call people.

[Laci Mosley]

Progressive, Progresso soup. I don't care who y' all have to call. But you're not getting it from me. It's not. No, no, no, no. Also, like, I wish that he had recorded this conversation that he had with the bank teller that was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, your. Because they were not. So he tried to break up with her. Kari. That's when she told him she had cancers. And then later on that she was pregnant.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, no. She just. She just threw the kitchen sink. Like, she did everything. She was like, I have cancer and a baby, and also I.

[Laci Mosley]

Restless.

[Leelan Bowden]

I have your social and you have mine, right? Did you say restless?

[Laci Mosley]

She was like, I have a restless leg appointment, Then I gotta go to oncology, then I gotta go to the obgyn, and also, my teeth don't work.

[Leelan Bowden]

I need your teeth also.

[Laci Mosley]

Then I'm going to the dentist. Did I have these ailments before? You said you wanted to break up? No. But today I found out that I have a baby, and also.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm so sorry. And the baby also has cancer, so I'm going to need extra money.

[Laci Mosley]

And I would never even joke about that. You don't want that juju out there and shout out to the people who are battling it, y', all, because it's. It's tough. But. So she told him all the lies she could think of. And then the day after Kari turned 21, in February 2008, she went to jail for fraud for three months. So guessing that's the fraud of those checks that she was writing from the bank account that was never open. I love that she got up to 10k before they realized, though, that's a lot of money for the bank to be like, oh, yeah, actually, we weren't. Oops.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, yeah. No. It's so wild how much it seems like, you know, like, because soho grifter has all. Anna Delvey, like, had that whole thing too, where all, like, she was just getting by on fraud and fumes. Where, like, she would just be mad. She'd be like, I'm. I'm a heiress, right? And like. And they'd be like, okay, sorry, here's like 100k, right?

[Laci Mosley]

They were like, yeah, I'm gonna pay for this hotel with wire transfer eventually.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah. And they're like, okay, she's just so mad. I guess we'll just let that happen. But, you know, like, I think I feel like there's an episode where you talk about like, either this or a version of it. But I remember when I was like a barista still and just hanging out with all of my other barista friends, and there isn't a savings account that any of us have, you know, and we're talking about how do we pay rent? And one of my friends had this great idea. He was like, you know what you do? Do this advice, always write a check to yourself. And then it'll. And like, if you're like kind of in a money transition and so then the bank thinks that you have extra money and then you can use that in between time before they realize their error to like, to. To. So like, so you can like, start, right.

[Laci Mosley]

So you don't go negative.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, charge people for being poor if you like. I know bank of America, it's $35 for each overdraft fee. And if your accounts overdrafted and anything else hits like a recurring payment, auto pay, they charge you another 35. And it's so predatory. It's so gross. It's a lot of banks do it. And. And what's interesting to me about this is like. So I'm going to note the timeframe here. This is Febr, February 2008, when she got pinched, right? So the housing crisis, you know, a little bit before that. So the banks were on some fuck shit right then anyway, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like just like every bank was doing a lot of coke and really loving balloon payments and having

[Leelan Bowden]

a good old party. Sure, sure, go nuts, right?

[Laci Mosley]

And this fraud, even though check fraud has been going on for forever, this specific kind has been harder. It's still hard right now for the banks to flag immediately. It takes some time. And by the time the bank has realized, they're probably already gone. And a lot of times your bank will flag a check now if it's over $1,000, but if it's right under that at like 800, if it's installments of smaller amounts of money, they can't flag it as quick. And then you can get them coins and be on your way. You know what I mean? So I'm sure by the time Kari had robbed people, all they could find was the back of her head because she was in the. She was headed the other direction.

[Leelan Bowden]

She was moving. She was.

[Laci Mosley]

So when she got out of jail, she found a new roommate and friend she'd known for several years. And according to Hansen, she scammed the new guy out of $3,000. This is when she started telling people that she was working for Golden Voice, a company that does Coachella, and that she was soon going to transfer to New York. Now I'm confused. Why would she go to New York to work for Coachella? I guess Coachella is stationed in New York. I would assume that that was a Los Angeles thing. I don't know exactly where Coachella is playing.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know what? This is very clever because it's like if you give two. A person two pieces of conflicting information, they may not just ask questions. You know, if the. It's if, like, she was like, oh, I'm going to Coachella, and I'm going to be like, leaving soon. In California, people were like, oh. Where, you know, like, they have a frame of reference, but she gets them off the game. Right? It's like, I'm gonna go to Coachella, but I'm transferring to New York. It's a whole thing. People think it's a whole thing, and they don't ask.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, it's a whole thing. Used to just be like, long story short, but now it's like it's a whole thing is all my lies are bundled into.

[Leelan Bowden]

And there you go.

[Laci Mosley]

Right? I'm seeing most of their venues are on the west coast, so, yeah, I don't know if Golden Voice is in New York, but you know what, girl? I appreciate these lies. I will continue. So this is mostly just paraphrased from the Observer. So shout out to Dory Shafrir. Sorry if I said that wrong, but shout out to you. So this is scamming Vice. So after she told all these lies and got all these coins from just regular, everyday Joe schmoes who are probably just very enamored because, remember, Ki is fine. She moved on. So now she's scamming Vice. Kari walked into the Vice magazine office in Williamsburg, Brooklyn to interview for an administrative assistant job. They thought that she. That they had hit the jackpot. So remember, she said she was moving to New York even though she was working for Coachella, and then she went to Vice.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay, so she's. So one of these lies is like a soft one.

[Laci Mosley]

She did move. She actually did move for a job.

[Leelan Bowden]

She self Transferred?

[Laci Mosley]

Yes. You know that self transfer benefit package.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, you know how one is self employed? She's just. She's self employed. Transferred to a new employment.

[Laci Mosley]

Okay, you get it. So Kari, they write this description. I don't. Kari, petite, 22 years old, of Korean heritage, had a huge tattoo of a phoenix across her chest and a cute pixie haircut. She was talkative, funny, charming, and adorable. She had a tattoo on her back that read, I love beards, bitch. What?

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, wow.

[Laci Mosley]

She quirky, Quirky now. I love beards on your back, sis. Okay.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, she was.

[Laci Mosley]

Okay. I like beards too. I don't like them that much, so. But, you know, if you do. So she told them that she had been working for a concert promotion company, Golden Voice in New York, and they hired her on the spot. Okay, so there must be a New York office of Golden Voice a few days later. And, I mean, she looks the part of someone who works for Coachella. You know, she's got the tattoo. She's got the ironic. I love beards. This feels like a girl who would have that mustache tattoo on her finger and then, like, put it under her nose sometimes. Remember when that was a thing that everyone was getting that. I know so many people who have a finger mustache tattoo.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh. You know, I would, like, through, like, Andi Mack. Like, sometimes I'd just be in conversations with teens at that point where people were talking about, like, oh, I gotta get a little finger mustache tattoo. And I was desperately trying to be like, this feels really good at 16. And I. I guarantee you, you will be so upset in, like, a year from now. Don't do this three months. You'll be so upset.

[Laci Mosley]

I've never understood fad tattoos. I'm like, okay, clothing, yeah. Cause you can take that off. We all look like a dumb ass in joutfits in the early 2000s. But I can't take off a fad tattoo. Like, I remember Rihanna got the stars behind her ear going all the way down.

[Leelan Bowden]

And then.

[Laci Mosley]

And then all the bitches had to have some stars on their neck. And I'm like, are you gonna want those stars? Listen, a lot of people love their tattoos, and some people like to get impulsive tattoos, which I think is so cool. They just go in the shop and pick something, which I'm like, you know what? Do it.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, yeah. I feel like. I mean, real, Real statistic. Absolutely not. But if I had to make up one, I would say 50% of tattoos are impulsive tattoos based off of nothing.

[Laci Mosley]

I'M not gonna doubt that. I don't think it's real.

[Leelan Bowden]

You know, I think it's real. I think this might be. This made up statistics is probably definitely real.

[Laci Mosley]

I believe it. And I've always imagined myself in another life. Or maybe this you will see of just having little, tiny tattoos. Like, I have so many hot little friends with, like, little tiny tattoos that are like, I'm a bad girl. Little tiny, little tiny tats. They get them, they get them like on the wrist and in the inside of the arm and like, ooh. Like, they're just little secrets for you and me.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, I, I've tried. Like, I, I've. I've thought, like, yeah, I could get a tattoo that's, you know, and never like, how I know fad tattoos, like, happen because they're like a, like a cousin of impulsive tattoos. Right? Like, you know, if you're impulsive and you see things happening in the world, you're like, yeah, why not? The only time that I got extremely close to getting a tattoo of, I don't know, I just made the decision to get it is I had done a sci Fi film with. Do you know the actress Taryn, Man? She plays Pennsatucky on Orange is the New Black.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh, yeah, she's great.

[Leelan Bowden]

She's great. Yeah. So we did this really, like, you know, like, just like a Sci Fi Channel film. And we had like a cast party and everybody just like, we were drinking and having fun and we were walking past the tattoo shop and Taryn was like, oh, shall we get tattoos? Shall we, like, I mean, I don't know, maybe not verbat

[Laci Mosley]

ladies, gents, shall

[Leelan Bowden]

I to a tattoo getting. But like, the atmosphere was so perfect. I was like, yeah, absolutely. Gotta get tattoos. And fortunately, like, it was like two in the morning and yet still the wait to get a tattoo was like two hours.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh, wow. So then you had time to sober up, get tired.

[Leelan Bowden]

And once I heard two in the morning, I like, two hours from now, I was like, oh, definitely not a tattoo. Definitely not. But I was about to get a, like, Taryn Manning suggested tattoos. And I was like, mm, 100%.

[Laci Mosley]

Absolutely.

[Leelan Bowden]

I did not know what it would be.

[Laci Mosley]

I feel like if they'd had the needle ready, you'd have a tattoo. If you'd walked in, the guy was like, fresh needle, 100%.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'd be with a tattoo right now and I would be. So the only thing I know about it is that I would regret it. There's nothing I could get that I don't think I'd regret.

[Laci Mosley]

I know what you mean. I was watching this show called Trinkets on Netflix because I'm watching everything on Netflix now. And it's about these beautiful girls who steal. Cause they steal because they're in pain in their little lives. And it's cute, but they go to a party that's like this big hipster college party, and there's just someone doing stick poke tattoos on the front porch. And they all get one. And I'm like, okay, okay. The hipsters, they got this.

[Leelan Bowden]

It could have been me. You know, I. I am like, prime demographic for that to accidentally happen.

[Laci Mosley]

Sort of like, I don't know how I got this tattoo. Everyone said. They said, shall we? And then. And then, next thing I know, I had my arm out. What? What do you expect?

[Leelan Bowden]

They asked so politely, and I was having a great time.

[Laci Mosley]

So she looks the part, right? So Vice is like, oh, she looks so cool. She just worked for Coachella. Like, we're definitely hiring her. So a few days later on, one of Ms. Farrell's new colleagues came by her desk. And this is all a quote from him. So he said. He came over and he said, excuse me, miss, is your boss downstairs? And then she. Kyrie, thought that that was very polite that he said, excuse me, miss. Okay, y'. All. Basic as fuck. And after that, she started talking to him, instant messaging him. And then it escalated from there. I want to know what your aim, like, off screen password is. This is probably work instant message, right? Cause, like, ain't nobody on a more, right?

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, like, what? I can't imagine, like, no one says instant message now, you know, like, so what kind of platform is.

[Laci Mosley]

It's gotta be one of those office ones. Cause I know they have those. And then they talk in the little office chats on there. So some kind of message.

[Leelan Bowden]

Instant office chat.

[Laci Mosley]

Slack or whatever the fuck. Honey, I don't work in an office. Y' all shout out your favorite office Insta messaging services. I want to know. So within a half hour, she was asking him questions about his sexual history, how many women he'd slept with, and so on. He says, she was coming on to me. And I was super into it. The first part of it, he says, then he realized I could have fun after work. But then I was like, let me check this girl out. So basically, his horny man voice was like, we're at work. But then his penis was like, yeah, but we horny. And then he was. He was like, but what about work? They were like, but what about me? Your penis?

[Leelan Bowden]

I love that. So penis voice is also kind of like a cartoon 20s gangster.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, what about me? But what about me? Your penis? So he decides to check her out. Now, see, this is what I don't understand, because this gives me, like, hater Vi. Like, if you thought the girl was cute and you was trying to talk to her, why you Googling her? Don't you just get on? Okay, so this is what, 2009. I'm guessing Instagram was around, right?

[Leelan Bowden]

No, I went, um, I don't think it was.

[Laci Mosley]

So, okay, so this is probably pre Instagram, or at least pre Instagram's height, where everyone has a profile. Everyone has, like, a significant amount of information online. So he did a Google on sis, which I'm like, damn, if they. If we had Instagram, she probably would have gotten away because he would have just went on the gram, clicked around. I like to click on people's tagged photos to see who they really are.

[Leelan Bowden]

Ooh, yes, the tagged photo section. That's where, you know, tag photos and captions.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, look, we all went through a phrase where every caption was just a Drake lyric. I don't fault you for that. But some of y'. All. Y' all be getting on here trying to give me a whole inspirational speech when, you know this picture is about your swimsuit body. Like, please stop. Like, just post a quote, then I'll read the quote. I like quote quotes. Like, how you gonna give me a picture of what your. You bent over with your cheeks out talking about some. You know, God throws many challenging things our way. And during this quarantine, I've made a lot of self discovery. And I'm like, yeah, I'm making self discovery, too, of your booty hole. And I didn't plan on doing that today, like, they be playing anyways. So he Googled her, and he found a photo of her on Salt Lake City Police Department's most wanted list. Wanted on five different warrants, including passing $60,000 in bad checks, forgery, and retail theft. Damn.

[Leelan Bowden]

Wow. Wow. Wow.

[Laci Mosley]

Kari was only employed at Vice for about half the week, but it was a busy one, according to a vice employee. This employee says, we found out that she had been calling up club saying she wanted to be on the list, was from vice and was going to review the show. So as soon as she got this vice pass card, she got on the phone and said, hey, girls, I hear P. Diddy's white party is tonight, and I will be there evaluating the white for vice. So I'm going to need. I'm going to need all access vip.

[Leelan Bowden]

She's using her credentials and fast, she said.

[Laci Mosley]

Then we got a package from HBO with the Flight of the Concords DVD that she had requested for review.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's really endearing. I think that's really charming.

[Laci Mosley]

I love that. She. Yeah, like, Flight of the Concord, sis. Like, you couldn't just buy that box. Said she was like, no, I'm reviewing it. Send it to me for free. Also send me pompomoose Lacroix. I'm reviewing that Vice Ciroc Watermelon also will be reviewed for Vice.

[Leelan Bowden]

I would just also like to review, you know, a. A like 12 pack of, like, nice socks. You know, like, they should all match.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, review it for.

[Leelan Bowden]

Review it for Spice. Those little ankle socks. So my. So you can't see my sock. I. Tampons.

[Laci Mosley]

Reviewing for Vice. Like, it's just getting very specific.

[Leelan Bowden]

Tampons.

[Laci Mosley]

No type of tampons? No, just any that you got. I gotta review them for Vice. So then Vice found out that she had booked a table at the Box for the surprise birthday party of a publisher of Vice. In correspondence, she said, I'm emailing you for my personal email because we are having server issues. Don't contact the publisher. It's a surprise. Wow.

[Leelan Bowden]

Wow.

[Laci Mosley]

So the Vice, or excuse me, the Box is in New York. I've actually been to the Box. It's kind of an exclusive nightclub. I don't know if it is anymore, but back in the day, like around this time specifically, it was pretty exclusive. A lot of celebs like to go there. It's a pretty small nightclub. There was a lot of cocaine happening. There was an act. There's like a lot of wild Berlin burlesque acts. Like, one of the acts was this guy who would, like, pee on people in the audience. Like, he would pull his, you know, penis.

[Leelan Bowden]

Typical burlesque.

[Laci Mosley]

You know how burlesque go. Some feather, some music, some piano, people in the front row. Like, this was just a thing. Like, people would do drugs on stage. People would simulate sex. I don't know if they had sex. I can't remember. But if they didn't, they probably. They probably did.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, like, if they're peeing on people.

[Laci Mosley]

My producer, my producer Chelsea says that they definitely had sex on stage. And I. Wait, Chelsea, have you been to the Box? I'm curious. So Chelsea says that super producer Chelsea Jacobson says that her friend used to intern at the Box. How you gonna intern at a nightclub? I hope she was getting paid.

[Leelan Bowden]

Intern.

[Laci Mosley]

Intern at the nightclub?

[Leelan Bowden]

No, she has to watch people being peed on and not getting paid. That's so upsetting. Well, like, what kind of like work it like. Oh, this internship to work like, will lead to opportunities. Like, this is. This is resume gold.

[Laci Mosley]

I don't think this internship leads to any opportunities. Sorry to your friend Chelsea, but I find this hilarious. So the box is like exclusive. It's very horned up. It's very drugged up place. And at the time, it was very exclusive. So she's saying that she's throwing surprise birthday party so that she can get an exclusive VIP table at this club. I'm like, did she write anything for Vice or did she just keep pretending that she was gonna write something for them?

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah, so far it's just reviews. And they're not actual reviews. It's just things to review you.

[Laci Mosley]

So let's get into her explicit small talk. So despite not having vice connections, after being let go after she literally was mailing everything, like, why did you have a mail to your house?

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah, I mean, if you're like that much.

[Laci Mosley]

After a four pack of Goodyear tires showed up. Advice for review, they let her go. Oh, I'm making up the tires. But you know, she was sitting everything. Might as well sit some tires over there. So she continued to make friends quickly, mostly guys. So even after she was let go, my girl Kari was popular. Okay, so she met Bobby, a 23 year old student, at Girl Talk concert in Manhattan. So she met him at a Girl Talk concert and he's a 23 year old student. I can't read. Well, so what Girl Talk? What was they songs? They had some songs.

[Leelan Bowden]

It was like all these type of like mashups. Like girl. Girl talk.

[Laci Mosley]

What songs did they make?

[Leelan Bowden]

You know, like, I'm sure, like, I don't know, I get Girl Talk confused with like diplo.

[Laci Mosley]

I'm trying to. I'm looking on here. I'm like, what's the Girl Talk Essentials? They got bounce that. Let's hear some of this. That sounds terrible. Okay, let's try this. Get to it. Okay, this could maybe be kind of vibey. They're on the 2010s dance party essentials. So they must have had some song that was kind of cute. I'm just trying to get. Get a feel for the Vibe concert.

[Leelan Bowden]

I. I believe.

[Laci Mosley]

Yeah, it's a man.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah.

[Laci Mosley]

I would say I sound hella old, but these people are from the past. So I'm just a young, hot Gen Z, baby. JK I'm not Gen Z, okay? I can't even find at the bottom. Anyway, so they're at this concert, apparently during the 2010s, the girls were loving the girl talk. So she meets this guy. The guy says, bobby. He says, long story short, I go home with her the next morning. We exchange emails. It turns out that night she stole my cell phone. But it was done in such a way that it wasn't until months later that I realized, oh, okay. He didn't realize that she stole his phone. He did realize that his phone was gone.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay.

[Laci Mosley]

I was about to say, how was it months later? How she finessed you so good that

[Leelan Bowden]

you one day you wake up and you're like, wait a minute. I've been making calls on this banana for the past three months.

[Laci Mosley]

Holy moly. I'm about to say Kari is a finesse. Then if she had you talk to the damn banana. But okay, it makes sense. He was saying, like, I didn't realize she stole it until many months later. So they continued to date even though she robbed him and he would visit her from New Jersey quite frequently. Bobby recalled that she had a debit card that never seemed to work. She could only get cash out of it, not use it as a debit card. It only worked at this one bodega near her apartment. So she would borrow money and promise to pay it back. Now, I know that you know there are smaller credit unions. I know there are smaller banks, but I have never heard of the bank of just one ATM at my bodega works.

[Leelan Bowden]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Laci Mosley]

They're like, no, our car works here. Okay, yeah, here. And. No, no, no, no. Just here. Like, you have to go to this bodega in Brooklyn. You have to fight off the bodega cat and use the one ATM where we work. That's very mean.

[Leelan Bowden]

My cat is mean.

[Laci Mosley]

We have a bank. Great bank security. It is the cat. We've never been robbed. Never had a rat. Never been robbed. So she's constantly borrowing money from Bobby. She's like, sorry, Bobby, but you know, my bank account ain't in Jersey or anywhere but that bodega. So she's constantly borrowing money, saying that she's gonna pay it back so soon. Later, she told him she was afraid that she might be pregnant.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay.

[Laci Mosley]

Going back to her good old tricks.

[Leelan Bowden]

We know this one. We know this one.

[Laci Mosley]

She said that she took six tests. Three were positive and three were negative. Wow. The ingenuity here. I told her to go to the Gynecologist and get a real pregnancy test and we'll move forward from there. After Bobby found out that she had been lying about everything, he cut her off. In addition to Bobby, there was 28 year old Joe that she met at a Brooklyn bar. He was celebrating his birthday and invited her to party. The next night. She told Joe and his friends that she was working on a book for Vice. A coffee table book of photographs of men with bees posing next to her. I love beard tattoo. Wow.

[Leelan Bowden]

And that's why she has it, for this coffee table book. I believe of all the lies, out of all the lies she's told that the aspiration to do that coffee table book is real.

[Laci Mosley]

I do too. It feels sincere. It also feels like something at the time that hipsters would be into if they sold this book at fuck Urban Outfitters. Everybody would have this book on their fucking wooden three prong IKEA table.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yes, yes. And that's where it's at. Yes.

[Laci Mosley]

So I'm not, I'm not against this hustle. She says. So she has this thing with guys. This is Joe talking. She has this thing with guys where she talks about sex really up front and kind of puts people off balance. Another guy said a bartender passed him a note from another guy said that a bartender passed him a note that read, I want to give you a hand job with my mouth. And it was signed Korean Abdul Jabbar.

[Leelan Bowden]

There's so much to unpack.

[Laci Mosley]

Oh, wow. Oh, wow, wow. I. I read that real time. I'm gonna. So she gave Kyrie gave the bartender a note to send to a guy that said, I want to give you a hand job with my mouth. And it was signed Korean Abdul Jabbar. Kyrie.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay, so

[Laci Mosley]

sorry. You are so chaotic. And I love it. I love it.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, man, not Korean. There's. I mean, yeah, like that's one of those things that short circuits my brain, like where I'm like, where do I comment? How do I.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, I see drawers, I have a suitcase, but I simply cannot unpack. I. Girl, I'm gonna let you have that. I'm short circuiting. So another line. Another time, a patron at a Williamsburg cafe, Fabienne's, said that Ms. Farrell passed him a note which read, I want you to throw a hot dog down my hall. These are these haikus.

[Leelan Bowden]

These are, these are. No, these are like the jokes that when email became a thing that like 10 year olds would be like, send in long lists and then if you did not Forward to like 20 people in three days, then you'd. You'd be cursed.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, I mean, yeah, because it doesn't feel like if I read that, I wouldn't be like, this is sexual. I would. Obviously, I would. I don't know why. Hot dog down my.

[Leelan Bowden]

A child who. Her has heard of sex, right?

[Laci Mosley]

The whispers of sex, the urban legend of sex. Because you know what I mean? It's like, she said it. Stuff to be provocative. It's just like, I get a note from Kari. It's like, I want you to put your dick in my eye. And I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Is this horny? Should I be horny for this?

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm upset.

[Laci Mosley]

I don't get what you want from me. What's the point?

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh. Like, it reminds me of, like, those jokes about, like, those sex jokes about, like. Like, the sex therapist being like, all right, and then you have to, like, throw grapes at your wife. Like, you know,

[Laci Mosley]

I do not know what you're talking about.

[Leelan Bowden]

Anyway, bye.

[Laci Mosley]

No, I do want to know, though. They, like.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, there's, like. There's, like, a sex joke out there where, like, a sex therapist, like, recommends that the wife throw donuts at, like, the husband's member, and then, like. And then, like, the. The husband has to throw grapes at his wife.

[Laci Mosley]

Okay?

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, but here's the thing. Don't remember the punchline.

[Laci Mosley]

And that's fine. Everyone make up your own punchline. Send me your best punchlines for that joke. I will also say that it sounds like, like, Kari watched American Pie and was like, I'll just be Stifler.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, there you go. Yeah.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, I am Stifler. I just talk to men like, I'm Stifler. Great. So the last section here is not getting caught. Kyrie, Kyrie, is you free, girl? Yes. Kyrie, I hope you free out there, girl. I hope you throwing hot dogs down all your hallways, sis. So my wiener has a first name. Okay, so, not getting caught. In 2009, after stories started coming out about her scams, she began tweeting about her scams. This is not a confirmed Twitter account, but if it's her, she's funny. So we don't know if this is her Twitter account. She's not verified. Twitter hasn't started verifying scammers yet, which is disappointing. Is she still on certified robberies? So this is in 2009. She started tweeting these stories. So, April 16, 2009, we have Kari Pharrell, who we can only assume is the real Kari. Allegedly, she says, me Faking cancer. And then she puts a less than sign. She said, that's. That's not as bad as DiCaprio faking being a Doctor and treating Patients and Catch Me if youf Can. Okay. That's a movie.

[Leelan Bowden]

Yeah. That she knows that DiCaprio didn't really do that. He played an act like.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, what are you. Like, that was a character. I mean, it is based off of a real person, but, like, not Leonardo DiCaprio. Okay, girl, I don't know where you're going with that one. This tweet says, not covered by Gawker yet. When I'd ask a guy for a cigarette, and then I'd say, I don't smoke. I just wanted something of yours in my mouth. Mouth. Okay,

[Leelan Bowden]

okay, okay. Here's a new game to play with your friends. Think of a. You get a topic, and then you think of a Kari Forell joke.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes.

[Leelan Bowden]

Or a Kari Forrell pickup line quarantine.

[Laci Mosley]

I want to hear your best Kari for real pickup lines. This one says, ladies, step one. Oh, k. Okay, These are Kari's words. I do not want you to be canceled. Okay, These are Kari's words, not my. She says, ladies, step one, be Asian. Step two, find a white guy and make him do a bunch of crazy shit for you. Step three, rinse and repeat. Okay, I have no comments for that. Kyra says the one thing I've learned from all of this, because this is when the backlash is coming out about her scam times she said, is how gullible white guys are. Okay, again, Kyrie, your words. I tend to think white men are very smart or at least very cunning. That's why we're all under their. Their rule.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, does she. I don't know. Does, like, we're not under the rule of the smartest white guys?

[Laci Mosley]

No, this is very true. See how they brainwash me? I didn't even want to call them smart, but I did. Did. There's a little white man who lives in my head. I'm still trying to run him out, but he's there. Sometimes he gives me great advice. He's like, take up space, open your legs when you sit.

[Leelan Bowden]

Don't apologize.

[Laci Mosley]

And make it plural. Blacks. So. And then this one says, wait, who put this cell phone in my pocket? Question mark. Wait, what? So remember she stole that guy's cell phone? Yes. And he didn't realize until after a month that she stole it. Then he was like, now she tweeting. Wait, who put this cell phone in my pocket? Kiki. Ki. Kyrie, you funny and problematic as fuck. Ooh, problems, but also hilarious. Her most recent scam was trying to get into fashion week in 2018 by saying that she worked there.

[Leelan Bowden]

Wow.

[Laci Mosley]

So New York fashion week in 2018. She was like, hey, no, I work here at New York Fashion Week. I'm employed by New York Fashion Week.

[Leelan Bowden]

I'm a fashion employee.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes, I'm here for fashion. New York Fashion Week employee. That's me.

[Leelan Bowden]

Here's my badge. Oh, I showed it to you really fast, but he saw it.

[Laci Mosley]

Okay, you saw it. Flip it up real quick. Hit him in the face, Kari. Wow.

[Leelan Bowden]

So she's out there.

[Laci Mosley]

She's still scamming, and that's what I love for her. I love that she's free. I love that she's basically doing sexual harassment at local bars and pubs.

[Leelan Bowden]

Right? I mean, yeah, because, like, this is not. You described it earlier as being, like, using aggressive sexual prowess or something like that. Right.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, so this. I think.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, yeah, but, like, some of the things that she's doing are, like, walking that tightrope.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, she's the tightrope to wear.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, I mean, if she's coming on strong to her, like, work employees, you know?

[Laci Mosley]

Right. That's inappropriate.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's an HR situation. But I guess. Does it count if she was never really hired?

[Laci Mosley]

Well, look, she was hired for Vice.

[Leelan Bowden]

Well, she was.

[Laci Mosley]

She was hired, yes. But Vice didn't care as much about her inappropriate workplace behavior as they did about the fact that she was. Was reviewing Samsung flat screens. She was like, hello, 1, 800 apartments. I need to review an apartment for Vice. Y' all need to live there for a year.

[Leelan Bowden]

Reviewing new bamboo fabric mattress. Review. Oh, my gosh, Lacy. The things I would review in this quarantine are a full mic situ. Like, a full mic stand. I would love to review a new mike. I would love to review, like, a desk lamp. Like a desk lamp setup. Like a desk light for zoom calls. Oh, my gosh. The things I would review if I

[Laci Mosley]

were Kari, what would I review? Hmm. I would review weed sodas.

[Leelan Bowden]

There you go.

[Laci Mosley]

Because I recently found them, and I'll have, like, one at night, and it's lovely, and it's not alcohol relaxing, and it's less calories. And so I would review those. I would review squirrels. I see a lot of the same ones, and I just want to know what's up with them. Sometimes they fight. It's very aggressive. Ass squirrels in my neighborhood, and they be boxing outside.

[Leelan Bowden]

I will say during quarantine, squirrels. It's it's squirrels time. Like they're, they're doing things I, I have not seen squirrels do. Like, there's a park where I walk my roommate's dogs sometimes that's close to me and like squirrels will like walk up to me like, eat a, eat a nut and then look me dead in the eye like, oh yeah, they

[Laci Mosley]

don't give a fuck. They don't give a fuck anymore. That's my scariest. Like, I was hiking the other day, and this is very. Not black of me, but I, I was hiking. Went up to the top of Griffith Observatory, but it was too late at night, so the sun started setting fast as fuck. I'm dancing, having a good time going down Griffith. And then as soon as I. Like before I know it, it's like dark as hell. Then this pack of coyote deer. I don't know if they were coyote or if they were deer because it was kind of dark. And they came

[Leelan Bowden]

long legged, spindly aggressive.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes. I was terrified. They came up out of the brush and then they crossed my path and I was hiding in the corner and I wanted to like, put my flashlight on, but I didn't know like, diro run away. But coyotes might be like, what's good, bitch? Like, it's coyote time. And then, you know, I'm not. I'm nobody's roadrunner, honey. So they would have got my ass. I would have been snacks. So I don't even know how we got there.

[Leelan Bowden]

But squirrels like, like the dog will bark at squirrels. The squirrels now, like they stand their ground. Usually they're like a dog. And now they like walk down the tree and like they face him vertical because the tree is vertical. And so like, they'll face like the dog I'm walking vertically right in the eye and be like, hey, yeah, I love that flex.

[Laci Mosley]

They're like, can you, can you be upside down on a tree? I think not. You might want to not fuck with me.

[Leelan Bowden]

And it makes her mad. You can tell she's upset about it.

[Laci Mosley]

She's like, yeah, we're all getting punked by nature, you know, the air quality, the fires. Oh, it's the earthquakes.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, nature's like, bears are out. Bears are just like, hey, bears.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, sup? I love it. I love it for animals. I love that this is their moment. 2020 was only a good year for animals.

[Leelan Bowden]

Right?

[Laci Mosley]

Right, guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non scam advertisements and we'll be right back with the end of the show. Robbery and fraud and we are back, and it is the saddest part of the show because I have to let Lilon go. But also, before she goes, before you step out that door, girl. Let's talk about the scammer of the week. Now, scammer of a week is a charlatan that we like to honor. We give them praise. Sometimes we don't. Sometimes we don't fuck with what they're doing, but for the most part, we do like to glorify them. So today's scammer is one that you all know. He's made some of my favorite gifts and memes that exist out there. This is Soulja Boy off in debt. Ho. Watch me crank and watch me roll Watch me crank that superman. Yes. And everyone you. Yes. We're talking about Soulja Boy, who spells his name S, O, U, L, J, A. Okay, if you don't know, now you know Soulja Boy. So I know you're thinking Soulja Boy a scammer. Absolutely. You had no question in your hearts and minds. I know you did it. He revolutionized music. He revolutionized clothing. We were all with skinny, tiny bodies with triple XL clothing. Shout out to Soulja Boy. So Soulja Boy has a new. It's not new anymore. It's been out for a couple years. But he has a gaming console that's basically in a lawsuit scenario with Nintendo right now. So Soulja Boy released questionable gaming consoles on his website, and the remote resembles a PlayStation. So he was like, because, you know, when you. I'm not a big gamer, so don't be game community. Don't come fight me. But you can only play certain games on certain consoles. So that's how Xbox, GameCube, PlayStation, Nintendo, all the girls have different operation systems, and then you can only play certain games on them. So Soulja Boy was like, what if I made a GameCube playbox station where you can play all your games? He truly is a pillar of the community. So his confidence was high enough for him to tweet heads up for anyone who thinks that Nintendo is gonna sue me. You are. And he says the R word will redact it. He said, nothing's gonna happen. Everything's legit. My console isn't going anywhere. Trust me. You. You trust me? How about that big? Get my scam on the feds. Look at me. They say, what's up? So he hopped about the bed, and he got his scam on, which I truly love. He says, wait. So if you saw a gaming device by Soulja Boy, would you be inclined to purchase.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean. I mean, since I'm not inclined to purchase gaming devices, like, that's a hard, hard pass for me. But, like, I mean, but you know what? If I were. If I were, like, a gamer, I mean, Soulja Boy is so recognizable as a name that I'd be like, sure, what's up? I mean, do I have the extra funds? Have I been reviewing so much stuff that I have all this extra stuff for free that I have cash to burn and I could spend on a Soulja Boy GameCube Nintendo.

[Laci Mosley]

If I step into your home and you have a Soulja Boy game, Nintendo Cube, X Station.

[Leelan Bowden]

Here's what I do, Lacy. Here's what I do. I wouldn't buy it. I just work. I just tell people I work for Vice and review it.

[Laci Mosley]

And that's what I'm talking about. And the student has become the teacher. So souljawe quickly ran into major problems. Soulja game, which is what he called it.

[Leelan Bowden]

Okay, easy.

[Laci Mosley]

I got an Xbox, a PlayStation, a Soulja gang. So he ran to this problem because he was running illicitly obtained games without a license. Duh. Consumers also reportedly found a number of Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis games upon booting. So he would already even have games on it. When you plug the joint up, this is.

[Leelan Bowden]

That were, like, recognizable as, like, Sega Genesis games. Okay?

[Laci Mosley]

These included Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's island, the Legend of Zelda, a link to the past, and many others. These are Zelda's. Expensive. Like, that girl has never come down in price. So three weeks after launch, Soulja Boy admitted defeat. Defeat because, yes, you stole everything, Soulja Boy. You can't be stealing like this.

[Leelan Bowden]

Also, like, obviously. So, like. Like, at least make it like Legends of Melda.

[Laci Mosley]

Like, right?

[Leelan Bowden]

People know.

[Laci Mosley]

No, he said. He said, no, we have the real Legends of Zelda. He added the girls. So Nintendo threatened criminal charges against him, forcing the rapper to stop selling and promoting both systems on Twitter. Soulja Boy merely wrote, I had to boss up. I didn't have a choice. Wait, so Soulja1. Yes. No, you didn't have a choice. Because they said, j. They say, you going to jail or you can go to jail. Or if you would like, you can

[Leelan Bowden]

go to jail and you can call it bossing up. You can call it that.

[Laci Mosley]

I had to boss up before I got locked up. Okay? But I love. At first, he was like, these are legit. Like, no, Soulja Boy, you can't. You. You think. Nobody thought it would be great if we didn't have to buy all these different gaming systems. You didn't think there was, like, maybe some rules or laws that were prohibiting that?

[Leelan Bowden]

He's like, how could I have been the first? I'd like to think of this. I'm the first. Damn, I'm smart.

[Laci Mosley]

But I want a Soulja game. If there's some way for me to get a limited edition Soulja game, I don't even play games like that, but I just want to have one as a collector's item.

[Leelan Bowden]

That's the tragedy of this, is that if. If Soulja Boy put out, some, like, worked with, you know, a video game company, and it's like, hey, I want to work with you on a picture put out. And it's going to be Soldier Boy game, and it's going to be me. You got to be the protagonist as Soulja Boy.

[Laci Mosley]

Crank that all over the neighborhood. Yeah.

[Leelan Bowden]

And it'll be my adventure.

[Laci Mosley]

People would buy it, right? If you get.

[Leelan Bowden]

He already has name recognition.

[Laci Mosley]

You get it.

[Leelan Bowden]

He didn't have to steal other names. He had one right there. So close, but so far, Soja Boy.

[Laci Mosley]

Well, I just want to say I appreciate you hopping out of the bed and turning your scam on. Okay, that was beautiful. And, guys, that concludes this episode of Scam Goddess Leelan. We always ask people, where do you want to be found? I would love to have anything you want to promote.

[Leelan Bowden]

I love that you give me the choice of where I want to be found. Don't just go out and find me. Don't be at the dog park when I'm trying to walk my dog and fend off squirrels. Please. I would love for you to find me at. At your friend Lelon on Instagram and Twitter.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes. And as always, you can find us at D I V A L A C I Divalacy. That's me for all of my shenanigans. And then if you want to follow the podcast the Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms, and if you want to snitch on your friends and family, just make sure the scam is retired so we don't fuck up your bag. Unlike Dr. Sharma, who's definitely still out here scamming with his name.

[Leelan Bowden]

We use the real name.

[Laci Mosley]

She said use the real name. Okay, but I guess that speaks highly. I guess that's nice that people are like, oh. Instead of discriminating against Indian American doctors, they're like, oh, she must know her stuff because she's an Indian American doctor. But also, she is a white lady scamming on brown folks. So I don't know. Is she Jessica Krug? I don't know. No, no, she's not doing the accent. Look, this is her name. She didn't. She didn't create. She just using her name as Jessica

[Leelan Bowden]

Krug, like, created a whole name. Jessica created an identity and an affectation that was very upsetting.

[Laci Mosley]

Fuck out of here. We actually talk about her in another episode, so I won't do that too much for you. Okay, we'll be hearing about her. But you know what I would say I like Dr. Sharma. I just hope that she's, like, running around practicing, screaming that she needs a knife, tank top out, and, you know, white coat flapping in the wind just like Jada Pinkett. Those are my hopes for her. Guys, why am I still talking? This episode is over. So then I just start talking. Okay. Anyways, I think that's all I have. All right, congregation, stay ski g. All right, guys. So we just ended the episode on the hipster Grifter, AKA Kari Pharrell, and we realized that there were some tweets that we missed. So on May 4, 2009, Kari Farrell says, they'll never catch me because I'm fucking innocent. And then October 1, 2009, she says, I'm inmate 295558 at Salt Lake City Correctional Facility, 3415 Southwest Drive. Like, she puts the whole address on Twitter.

[Leelan Bowden]

Oh, my gosh. All the information. I think the saddest part about seeing these two tweets back to back is the. They'll never catch me. I'm innocent. Two retweets, four likes. I'm inmate numbered. Blah, blah, blah. Two retweets, one like K. And also.

[Laci Mosley]

So from May to October, I guess she was chilling. They. They pinched you in October and now you in jail. I just love the confidence of, like, then never catch me. And then. Okay, so look, y', all. They actually dig hair corner.

[Leelan Bowden]

Not an acknowledgment, too, of, like. Okay, so I was wrong. Just like the facts are.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes. Actually, I want to amend my previous statement for the. The four people who saw it on Twitter, they actually did. Had caught me. So if you would like to send me. You want to put some money on my books. Damn, Kari, I'm mad they put you away like this. Over $60,000 worth of bad checks. Like, that's not even, like, that much.

[Leelan Bowden]

I mean, here's the thing is, I mean, I'm going to introduce a concept that I'm just making up right now called relative crime. So if, like. Right, if it's like $60,000 from a charity. That's real bad. But if it's $60,000 from a guy who makes billions of dollars, maybe they do. We don't know know. Maybe. Probably not, but maybe, right?

[Laci Mosley]

Like, who really suffered here? Bank of America. They'll be.

[Leelan Bowden]

I. They'll be fine.

[Laci Mosley]

Mr. America will be absolutely fine.

[Leelan Bowden]

Who is this?

[Laci Mosley]

Mr. Fargo?

[Leelan Bowden]

Mr. Bank of.

[Laci Mosley]

Wells is good.

[Leelan Bowden]

Please call me bank of.

[Laci Mosley]

Excuse me.

[Leelan Bowden]

Bank of.

[Laci Mosley]

You'll be fine, Wells. Wells is doing great. Chase, he couldn't be better.

[Leelan Bowden]

Like, yeah, Chase has always been good.

[Laci Mosley]

The girls are fine. First National First, I call them because we're homies.

[Leelan Bowden]

First first with his cousin city middle name Bank.

[Laci Mosley]

Yes, my favorite from the national family. Everyone knows I hate TD Bank. I don't even have a reason to hate TD Bank. I just, like, have talked shit about them so much that people who love TD bank want to fight me. So, yeah, hate to see this happen to you, Kari. You know, hopefully you're having a. You had a fun time in jail. She obviously got out and kept scamming, and that's why I love her. Shout out to Kari. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me.

[Leelan Bowden]

Duh.

[Laci Mosley]

Scam Goddess AKA Laci Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Baiz with research by Sherilyn Vera. Stay scheming.