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join the thousands who trust Jace Medical and get your Jace case now at J-A S E dot com. Scams CUN Robbery and Fraud. Scam CA, Robbery and Frau G. What's poppin? Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And we are back for another episode of Scam Goddess. How are y' all doing out there? I'll give you a moment to respond. Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. Or hey, congratulations.
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Good for you.
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Or that. That was boring. I don't know, you probably fit into one of those three responses, right? Anyways, as always, guys, you. Yes. Excited, very excited for today's guest. He made a huge splash on his debut on the show when we talked about the Ukrainian orphan who may or may not be a child, and parents who may be trash or may be afraid for their lives.
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Who knows?
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We still don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know. I think the parents are trash. And she a grown ass woman. I think it's twofold.
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He's a voice actor, an incredible comedian. You already know who he is now. Cause he just started talking. Guys, this is Jacques Neal.
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Hey, what's up? What's up? What's up? The king and the goddess back together. What's up, Lacey? What's up, congregation?
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Nothing much. Nothing much. And also everything. Jacquees is a very kind soul because we have had to restart this show like four times because you know, God is not trying. The microphone is betraying me today.
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Yeah, God ain't on our side today. And I told some secrets. I told some secrets. Them first two, I can't. You know, I can't say no more, but.
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Right. And I know we said that in the congregation, if you're a return visitor to the church, that you get elevated status. Right?
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Yes, yes. I'm a deacon now. I'm. I'm Neil. I went from brother Neil to deacon Neil.
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He is a deacon. Which means that after service he has to stay home or stay at the church and count the money. Of course, under my supervision.
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Damn, I gotta be supervised counting the money.
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Oh, wait, but we were talking about how. Wait, both of us, our grandfathers were real deacons.
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They were. And their jobs were to count the money too. Like, I remember my granddad staying over just counting wives of money at church. I'm like, damn, granddaddy got it good. Granddaddy counting that, that loot, he would never give me none too.
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Well, of course not, because it was for God, Jacques. For God. In the pass up, you know, God.
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God told my family that I was a gift from him. So why can't I get some of his money? I can't.
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I mean, honestly, the church should crowdfund a little more. I mean, I do think that pastors should be rich though. Like I. Well, I think if you're like, if that's your goal. I don't know, it's just I don't like to see service people have to be poor. Like, I don't think that that's the case. I think you can be in service of other people and still make a great living. That's how we make giving back cool.
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I mean. Yeah. Let me tell you something. You know, poor pastors don't have big ass congregations. I just say that, you know, right? A poor pastor, it'd be like, nigga, what God doing for you? You driving a worse car than I am.
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Then you're not reaching the masses. If you broke, you not reaching the masses. But I mean, I do love a poor pastor because I just don't like that in religion there's so much authenticity tied to being poor. It seems like the meek will inherit the earth. And, you know, everything else that the homie said. I don't.
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The homie. God. God is the homie.
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Yes, God is the homie.
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All right, what's up? What's up, homie?
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But at the same time, it is weird when your pastor is like flexing. Like in Pittsburgh, I remember I went to this kind of like smaller church. I would say that most of the people who went there were below the poverty line. And the pastor like came in. I can't remember what car it was. It was like a Ferrari or a Maybach or something. And everybody was like the.
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I know, I. The. The church I grew up in. When we moved, we moved to a big ass. We moved to a big ass new church, right? And the pastors, Pastor Freeman were both driving. The pastor and her husband were both driving. Nice ass Cars. I don't know what they were because I was a fucking kid, but I know they was nice. But the side door of our church was raised about 15ft in the air, and the steps broke off and they never replaced them bitches. So they had money to get. They sells cars, but wouldn't replace the steps on the damn door on the side of the church. So motherfuckers would just fall off. I mean, you know, you could. You could fall off.
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That's what we call walking by faith.
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Yeah. You know, they would open that church door. Cause there was no AC in that bitch either. They would open that church door to get some airflow, but they would always make sure to tell the kids, don't play too close to the door and then go home in their Mercedes Benzes or some shit.
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That's trash. Now how you gonna just offer a warning? And that's it. Now that is utter garbage. But also very hilar. I mean, it's just. I feel like if you're a pastor, yeah, whip it, have a nice car. But you also need to have like a church hooptie that you pull up to church in that needs to be like, very rundown, you know, like a 92 Nissan Altima with lots of like godly bumper stickers on it.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, to show the people that, listen, dude, I'm here with you. Why? Because, you know, sometimes. What's the thought? You know, you can't. You can't tell me, you know, about myself or about my situation if you don't know about it, right? So if I pull up in a broke ass car and be like, listen, I know what it's like to be poor. Look, look at this car. Look at this car I got. Then I believe you more, you know, I believe you walking with God like I am.
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Or do we want our pastors to be aspirational? See, that's why it's hard. Because then it's like, what if you're like, your whole thing is like, look how much God has given me because I worship him. Then it's like, oh, yeah, I guess we should be worshiping God more because I really would like a Bentley. I don't know, it just depends.
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That's how they get you. That's how they get you. Be like, pay your ties and offer. And then you will get a Ferrari too.
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Like, that's how they get you. Specifically give you a Ferrari. Well, you know. Wait, so, Jacquees, I know about your relationship with scams, but, like, I mean, for the listeners, like, what's your relationship with scams? Have you encountered any new scams since I talked to you last? Like what's going on with you?
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I mean, listen, you know, my relationship with scams are if I can, if I can get that buck, I'm going to get that buck. You know what I'm saying? Especially if it's from the government. You know, if the government giving it out money. I'm trying to figure out how to get that motherfucking money. I don't even care. I don't care if I'm making money. Give me that money. It's mine. It's my motherfucking money.
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Yeah. I was about to say also you gave it to the government. I love how we'll be like, thank you daddy government for money that's ours. All taxes are is an interest free loan. I say it all the time. It's government taking an interest free loan from us. And then they'd be like, oh, here go your money back. And we'd be like, yay, thank you daddy government.
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Yeah. So you know what I'm saying, my relationship with scams, you know, I'm up there with it. But here's the difference in the last episode to today. Ooh.
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Cause that was pre corona, the last
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episode, not only pre corona, that was pre the meteoric rise of this pod, you know what I'm saying? So back at the end, that was, you know, the beginning of the pod and I had no doubt, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. I had no doubt that you would, this would blow up. But you know, now that it's blown up.
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So now you don't want to keep it real just cause we talked about insurance fraud. That we did.
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You know what I'm saying? You got a little bit more ears on this motherfucker now. So keep my motherfucking mouth shut so I ain't telling you shit.
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I believe that episode is not behind the paywall, guys. So if you haven't listened to it, go ahead, put your ears on the Jacquees Neil episode. I'm trying to expedite you going to jail. Me going to jail too. Shit. That's my one fear is like I got into a car accident and it was a fender bender, but it was like I hit a car and another hit a car in front of them, hit the other car because they stopped short. And I was so worried. I was like, hopefully they don't google me. Hopefully everybody just take they settlements and don't think I got any More money because I don't want to get sued personally. That's my biggest fear is, like, I hear. Well, I hear that successful people have to just start having lawyers on retainer because people will try to sue you and people adjacent to you if they think you have money. Like Cardi B. Recently, her sister Hennessy got into it with her girlfriend. So Hennessy has a girlfriend. They were on the beach. Some MAGA supporters heard them speak in Spanish and probably, you know, have an ass out. They heard Hennessey's ass, and they had. They had an altercation with them, and they were wearing MAGA hats, and it got, you know, just verbally. It's a verbal altercation. Now they're trying to sue Cardi B because they had a verbal altercation with her sister. So, you know, she wasn't even there.
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She was probably at the crib arguing with Offset or some shit.
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Like, she was right. A normal Tuesday for Ms. Belcalis. So, yeah. So, you know, I do worry about the adjacent, like, suing aspect.
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You know, the thing that I worry about, too, is because, like, listen, I would say a lot of our. Especially in our black circles, all of us who kind of came up together or that generation right before us and us, a lot of us are starting to make a little bit more scratch. You know what I'm saying? We're starting to. Our pockets are starting to get a little bit more wider, right? And you know, when you got a circle full of motherfuckers who all, you know, making a little bit of money, then that's when you start getting the. Who try to, like, scam you. Scam your circles and shit, right? So I'll be watching. I got to watch out for that.
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You really do. Like, I'm. Look, I'm not Cardi B. I was not trying to compare myself. Like, I'm not famous. I'm. I just think about that sometimes, and I'm like, that must suck.
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You famous enough, Lacey? You famous enough?
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I'm not, but I'm never. I'll never be famous enough. But that's interesting, because I definitely had someone in my life like, that who I realized, like, was like, oh, she came home one day from, like, mind you, she was unemployed at the time, came home from, like, going on house tours with brochures and was like, we should buy this house. And I was like, we. But I do appreciate a good scam. I do. So, speaking of a good scam, we need a name for this scam artiste that we're talking about today. Give me a name for this guy. Cause he said, please don't use my name. Which we never do. We'll never use your name unless it's important.
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All right? This person's name. This person's name is gonna be, you know, Lucious. Lucious.
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Lucious. So, guys, as always, what's Hot and Fraud is where we alert you to scams that are popping right now. Or we read your scams allowed on the air. So if you would like to contribute scamgodispodmail.com Snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to fuck up your bag. So today we have a letter from Lucius. It makes me think of Empire instantly.
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I see. I don't watch Empire. I was thinking of Lu. I was like. I was thinking of Lucius Fox from Batman.
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Oh, wow. Well, see, I don't watch Empire anymore. But with Empire, the first season of Empire. You didn't watch the first season of Empire?
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No, I didn't watch the first season of Empowerment. Wow.
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You were missing a moment. Cause Twitter was so funny. And we would make cocktails and dinner and watch it every week in New York. Oh, my God.
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Damn.
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Loved it.
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I missed it.
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It was just like a ratchet musical. It was so good.
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See, I didn't watch it. Cause it was based in Chicago, and I hate Chicago show.
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Oh, what is with Chicago people always having to be, like, the most authentic Chicagoan?
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Oh, it's not even that. It's not even that. I just. I just hated all them shows, man. Cause I auditioned for all them bitches, and I never got on one.
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Okay, that's a good reason.
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And then one of them, I did get on one for eight episodes, and the motherfucker's recasting me at Wardrobe. So I Fuck that. All them Chicago shows. Lazy. You good Lazy. You just fell off the damn screen.
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How did they recast you at Wardrobe?
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I got a call from my agent on my way to wardrobe saying that, as our president calls it, Comcast, or they weren't Comcast at the moment. They were still just. NBC was like, yeah, they turned your role into a white woman.
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You show up and it's just a bunch of dresses and, like, blonde hair pieces. You're like, wait a minute.
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I was pissed. So, you know, that's why I don't fuck with none of them, all them shows, that film in Chicago. Cause I know all the casting directors on them. Listen. Fuck and listen. I ain't been to Chicago in eight years, so I Can say, fuck all of them. Fuck all of them.
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Listen, I'm scared of Chicagoans. I do. I vehemently disagree with Jacquees. In fact, I barely know him. I just wanna put that out there. I don't know this guy. Have not known him for four years. Okay, I prom. So, Lucious says, I love your podcast. Oh, that's real nice. Okay, Lucius, I always skip the compliments so we can get to the tea, but I do appreciate you, Lucius. So Lucious says that he saw an ad on Facebook for a service called paystubnow.com which is a sort of scam assistant website, Which I was like, I like a scam assistant. I need one. Actually, as they're always saying, if you want to do scams, you have to be good at Photoshop. Amen. I think that's like the first commandment of scams. It is, thou shalt be good at Photoshop.
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Good at Photoshop.
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Well, the people@paystubnow.com seem to have made it into their business. And since they're openly advertising on Facebook, I figured that I'm not the only one actually blowing their cover and not sure what kind of profile I fit that they're advertising to me. Must be looking up scams too often. Now, Lucious, attached is a screenshot of Facebook ad that I saw. If you go to the website, you see that they offer a service where you can input your data into a template and create fake pay stubs, deployed diplomas, transcripts, W2s, 1099s, voided checks, all the documents you need to run scams.
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Love it. Love it.
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What's even funnier about this is that if you attempt to create a document, you have to check a box that says, I agree that I will not use this site for any illegal purposes.
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That's the number one scam. Take all the blame off yourself.
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Right? That's like if you go to a store called Robbery, and they just sell ski masks, guns and. And money bags, and they're like, just. But you can't use none of this for robbery. But we do have this Robbery set that comes with everything you need, including a silent alarm disabler and a cell phone scrambler. But you can't.
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Don't you be thieving.
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No, they ain't. This is for Robbery connoisseurs and antiquers.
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Yeah, this is for people who just want to have the look.
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They're collector's items.
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Okay.
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You've heard of Athleisure. We're doing home invasion leis.
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This is like if you buy a basketball jersey, just don't mean you in the NBA, right? Buy some robbery gear. Don't mean you robbing. Don't you go out there and rob nobody.
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We just sell everything you need to rob someone. But we do not condone robbery. So, so that's what they. So this is actually off of the website. Their FAQ section under Are these fake paystubs? Which is a question that they get enough that they had to put it in the frequently asked questions. Is this a crime website? Frequently asked questions Illegal. See below. So under the frequently asked questions of Are these fake paystubs? The website says some people ask us to make fake pay stubs and some others accuse us of making fake pay stubs. We are not in the business of fake pay stubs. You may not use this site to make fake, fraudulent or dishonest pay stubs. We are a service that provides payroll service to small and medium sized companies or individuals that require record keeping for real, accurate and authentic pay stubs. We assume that all, all the values you provide us are correct for whatever your need is. We assume you are not here to make fake pay stubs.
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Well, I guess that answers that. They said it. They said it. So you know, I gotta, gotta believe them. They know what the they doing, right?
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That's like if you go back to the robbery store with your gun, it's all bloody and like, look, I need to make a return. It jamming up a lot. Okay, well just wipe that little blood off of it, right? You know, I'm gonna assume you weren't shooting people.
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And listen, I, I love it. I love it. You know, not anymore, but back in the day I have made my share of fake pay stubs.
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Let me tell you, to get an
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apartment, to get apartments to. Because a was making a little bit too much money and wanted a little bit more from the government. I done that. We outside, we outside of the statute of limitations on that. So I'm good.
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That's all we ask.
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Yeah, that's all we ask. As long as you outside of the statue of limitations.
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As long as I'm saying you can't listen to this podcast and be like bars.
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Okay.
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At the end we started talking about social media because people are getting caught up with that now, y', all, if you're scamming and Robin, please stop trying to make a rap career directly referencing the crime that you're currently doing. Although, well, there's one exception. And do you know what rap artist that is of someone who talked about a crime that they were currently on. That is just so fire. No, the song is called the Race by Tay K. You had to have heard it. Couldn't beat that case. So I did the race.
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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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That's literally Tay K is on a song talking about how he is a wanton fugitive as he was a wanted fugitive. He shot a music video as a wanted fugitive.
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I'm right here outside the police station. They ain't gonna get me.
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And the song is fire. The race is fire. Okay. What a contribution to society. Thank you, Tay K. I hope you get out of jail soon.
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They arrested his ass as soon as it was over. Like, nigga, we've been following you for three days.
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They used it in court. They were like. They played this song like, see, he said, rob a nigga shoes. Rob a nigga lace. He literally is talking about, that's so funny. Y' all don't document your crime like that. But also, please do. I love it. Yeah. So paysubsnow.com says that they're completely legitimate, and I want to show you this picture that looks very legitimate. Okay? So I'm going to send you a picture of this guy, and you tell me who they picked to advertise. Like, if he looks like he's on the up and up. Because this and at the bottom of this picture, it says, I agree that I will not use this site for any illegal purposes, and you have to accept their terms of agreement before you check out. What's also interesting here is under paystubsnow.com, it says, get your utility bill. How you gonna get it if you
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making it generate utility bill in just a few clicks. This nigga look like this. The dude they picked to. The dude they picked to model for them looks like he's somebody who would sleep with you knowing he got an std. That's how this nigga look.
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Oh, my God.
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He's the most untrustworthy dude I've ever seen.
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We need someone with a face that says crime. Yeah, he looks like he's sweating a little bit. In the photo, he's wearing a suit that definitely looks like it's from Express. No shade to Express, but actually no shade to Express.
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The tie ain't. The tie is, like, not all the way up. Just like, I can't do this all the way, but I need to have the look that I'm professional.
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Right. Maybe it's a clip on. He's also doing the okay sign, which I thought that was just strictly for white supremacy.
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Now I was gonna say that's the white power sign, right? Yeah, that's the white power sign.
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Corny. And I feel like we shouldn't let them have it. I feel like we should all just continue making okay the okay sign. Even though they're trying. They've never been good at being cool, Ev. You know, they're just like, corny. Evil.
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Yeah, this. This is. This is a crime site.
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Generate utility bills in just a few clicks. Oh, this is beautiful. Just a few clicks. Just a few clicks.
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And what you need to generate a utility. But like, what, what? I'm generating a utility bill so I can pay less or with. Oh. So in case you need to like, show proof of address or some shit. Mm.
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Right. So like, proof of address is necessary for like school enrollment. For a few other things. Like.
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Yeah, yo, I told you I got the bill right here. I live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, nigga. Here's the bill right here.
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You thought the president was the only person who lived in there? No, I also live in there as well.
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Shit, I live around back. I live 1600 and a half Pennsylvania Avenue.
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You ain't never lived in 1600 and a half. A mess. Well, guys, if you need. I guess if you need to make pay stubs. Paystubsnow.com. but this is interesting because I don't think that anyone would need to go to this website unless they were doing some sort of crime or dishonesty. So I don't really need to warn you guys about it. Cause it's not like the site is doing anything to its customers.
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You're doing everything for them.
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Right. But if you need a scam assistant, I guess. Or if you. Excuse me, if you have a small
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business or if you are individual who needs to record keep.
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Yes. Where you create the records that you're keeping. You know how record keeping works, then you can go to paystubs now.com. thank you, Lucious, for telling us about this wonderful website that I definitely will only use for legal purposes.
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I may. I may use that shit to go get my. To go be like, yeah, man, I make enough money to pay this, this audio off. Like here it is right here.
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Right, right, exactly. And guys, speaking of legal, let's take a quick break for some non scam advertisements. Scams con. And we are back. And now it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is when I will regale Jacques with a very famous con or caper by maybe someone we'll love. Maybe someone we won't love. As much, you know, I do love scammers, but every now and then we get a unsavory motherfucker who I'm like, I don't fuck with this. Like, you're a bad guy. And sometimes I love them all the way up until the end where I find out they did something very bad. So.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they killed the person. Like, oh, damn.
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So this right? And then it's like, okay, well, I guess I can't have as much fun. I love scams from Texas. I'm from Texas. Shout out to Frisco, Texas gang. Gang. If you're from Frisco, you know that there's. We're not a gang, but. And also I love Texas, Texas Monthly. So shout out to Katie vine, because a good bit of the research from this came from Texas Monthly. They've provided me with very fun scams from a local region. So Theodore Robert Wright, aka T.R. for short. Which, like, come on. So Texas of a nickname T.R. come on. T.R. he's a Texas businessman that led a fraud and arson scheme which involved the destruction of a number of high value goods which included a luxury car, two airplanes and even a yacht. So as a teen, TR was very business oriented. I feel like if you have a teenager and they're business oriented, like you probably are raising a scammer child.
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Yeah, you raising. You raising a white collar criminal, right?
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So you gotta guide them, you gotta make sure. Like if they're gonna start lemonade stand, make sure they get the paperwork, you know, before Karen comes by. Just teach them how to do the legal part first. Because, you know, entrepreneurship is wonderful, but if you don't guide the children, they
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will become right, you know, they'll end up using paystubs.com or whatever that that site was, which I'm not against.
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So he was very business oriented as a teen. At 16, he worked at a kiosk in the local mall. So see, another scammer, red flag. If your kid gets a job at a kiosk, they are doing crime. There is nothing legitimate about any kiosk. Anytime you ever went to get a phone case, one of those hair curlers where you burn your hand wrapping your hair around it, all of it, they
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be on that shit. I was walking in the mall like a year ago and just walking and this lady came up and started rubbing my face with some shit from her kiosk.
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What the fuck is wrong with you, man?
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Like, don't just come up in somebody's personal space.
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They be on some shit in some Kiosks. And that's how you know it's a scam. Because when you go to the mall, you are physically putting yourself at a place where there's tons of retail. Most people, except for kids who like to hang out at the mall and, you know, be bad, most people go to the mall having intended purpose to shop or to purchase something, right? So if you are an entity of a retail conglomerate where you have to attack people with your products, chances are something is amiss because people already came here to shop. They should just come by and shop, right?
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A
No. Yeah. Be like, oh, that look cool. Let me go up there. You ain't gotta come in my face and put your. On my skin.
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B
That was aggressive. She was wrong for that. But they be doing that. They be trying. Touch your hair. Come on. Come here. Let me curl it. Like, what are you doing? Doing?
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A
Yeah. Too much.
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B
But I respect the hustle. If you work in a mall kiosk, you're a scammer, and I love you. So he started working at a mall kiosk. Another red flag. And then when the company went under, because, duh, his boss told him that he could have all the remaining inventory, signs and displays from two kiosks, the value which he estimated at $80,000.
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A
What? That was some stolen shit. He was like, nah, man, I'm cutting off this trail right here. You have it. You can go ahead and keep it. Go ahead and keep it, right?
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B
He was like, I actually can't bring it back to my house. Cause the cops are searching it like that, nigga.
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A
Nah, that.
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B
This.
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A
This already don't sound on the.
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B
No one was that generous, yo. TR's life started off shady as fuck. There was no way that he wasn't gonna be a scammer. So TR sold that inventory and some additional merchandise and invested in setting up more kiosks. By his 19th birthday, he said he had about 4.5 million, which he invested in a kiosk company he called. Right. Marketing Group. Spread over 40 locations. Marketing Group. Okay.
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A
Marketing Group. Yeah.
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B
What are y' all slanging? We also don't know what he's slanging at these kiosks, right? Yeah, told us. He hasn't told us. What is he selling?
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A
He's selling sunglasses.
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B
He then came up with an idea for a console for pirated video games that would plug into TVs and allow users to play classics like Space Invaders and Galaga. I'm guessing these are olden timey games. I'm not a gamer, girl.
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A
You know Galaga. Stop Trying to act like you, like 18, you know? You know what Gallagher is?
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B
Who? Gallagher. Is that the guy who smashed the watermelons?
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A
That is also Gallagher, but it's not Gallagher. Is it? Galaga is Galaga.
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B
It's like Tetris Gallagher.
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A
It's like Tetris and Pac Man.
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B
Okay, I know Tetris and Pac Man. I don't know Galaga. I ain't never heard of Galaga. Okay, I don't know what that is, but. So he was basically like Soulja Boy did this recently where he made his Soulja Boy PlayStation Cube that we talk about on another episode. So I. So, you know, he was the first one who was like, let's bootleg gaming and put it on. Okay, okay, maybe not the first one, but he was back in the Galaga days. So it was a huge hit the game. Until the FBI began arresting the retail operators for pirated games. Panicked, T.R. abandoned his business. Business. He abandoned his business. So he stopped doing the crime he was doing.
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A
Abandoned his business, and he gave all his inventory to his second.
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B
You know how you abandon a business? You know, you run out. You run out, you get your car, you speed away, and you donate all the inventory to whoever walks by. So. And he left the United States to travel in Europe, where he laid low for five months. Now, I want to say shout out to the writer of this article again, Katie, because you really dressed this nigga up something special. Because, like, he abandoned his business. Then he went on an Eat Pray Love tour of Europe. Girl, that ain't what happened. He ditched the crime he was doing and he fled the country to hide from said criminal charges.
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A
He went somewhere with no extradition or some. They couldn't extradite his ass.
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B
No, no, no, no. He just loves France just like Norman Polanski loves France. It just. That's all. Just loves France. Like no crime. So when he returned to the United States, he bought a junkyard in upstate New York and began selling car parts online. By his late 20s, T.R. had enough money to purchase a 110 foot yacht. He named it Never Enough. See, and that's the issue. TR is that it should have gotten to be enough at some point. And that's how you get caught.
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A
Scammers, scammers get greedy. That's how they get caught. Like, you, you, you. You make that money and you be like, you should just be like, you know what? I done made my millions. Let me go ahead and invest in it a little bit. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the fruits of my scams. But you keep trying to push it until you get caught.
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B
I don't even think it's greed, though. I think it's that there's a high in getting away with shit. Like, think about how much better food tastes when you didn't have to pay for it.
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A
That's true.
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B
You know what I mean? Like, think about, like, if you've ever been somewhere where you were not supposed to get in, but you did somehow, and then it's like, ooh, like, it's even more fun. Cause technically you, like, weren't invited. Maybe that's me, but I've like, crashed so many Emmys parties and stuff and was like, this feels better. Cause I didn't have a ticket.
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A
So, you know, I'm not there yet. So when I get there, I'll let you know. You know, I think that I'm not at Crash Emmy party level yet, but
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B
I will listen, I don't want to be at Crash anymore. I'm only going if I'm invited. But when I was much younger, I would. I would get. We would finesse. So. But it is like, ooh, it feels like we shouldn't have this. So I think that feeling propels people. It's like, exciting.
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A
Yeah. And it's ego, too. I think it's ego in it too. Yeah.
- [32:08]
B
Getting to feel like you're genuinely smarter than other people.
- [32:11]
A
Yeah.
- [32:11]
B
Yep. So he continued spending his money on expensive toys. Besides boats, there were watches, cars, and eventually planes. Delicious. Bad for the environment. So TR often posted selfies on social media showing him in exotic or daring situations, squinting into the distance with a giant gun in his hand. What was that?
- [32:36]
A
What's that supposed to signify?
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B
I'm weak?
- [32:41]
A
Like, like, you. You're a marksman or something. You. What is that? What does that mean? Like squinting in the densers with a gun in your hand. Like, what's that melancholy.
- [32:49]
B
Taking pictures with guns is just so funny to me. Like, am I supposed to be scared through my phone of you with that gun? Like, there was a joke about. Some Trump supporters were on TikTok saying, like, well, how many school shootings have we had since Trump was president? This is the lowest it's ever been for school shooting. And then people were responding to the TikTok and being like, oh, that kid has a gun. Let me close my computer. Well, got him. You can't do anything from the screen. I always just think that's so corny. But to each his own. One day, a young FBI agent, Jim Reid, was called to respond to an arson case at a small airport in Athens, Texas. Holy shit. Okay, I was born in Terrell, Texas. Athens, Texas is like, maybe an hour and a half away. But I have family who live there. I've been to Athens, Texas, a lot. There's like, legit nothing there. But when he got there, the small jet looked like it had been barbecued on a rotisserie. This is when Reid learned of Theodore Robert Wright Reed, Googled his name, and within seconds, he realized that TR was Internet famous. He read the stories about a previous accident involving a fire and an emergency landing in the Gulf of Mexico, where TR and his business partner waited in shark infested waters to be rescued. The more Reid dug, the more he was sure that the fire was one piece of a grand scheme. But he had to lay low because he didn't have enough evidence. So we always talk about hater jobs. If you work in insurance sales, great, that's fun. If you work as an assurance adjuster,
- [34:27]
A
you hater, you a hater.
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B
And I will say that specifically for like, lost, damaged property, fire. Because if you're a claims adjuster for accidents, for the most part, they be on your side, they be trying to help you out. But if you're a claims adjuster for, like, home insurance or like anything that's insured, that's property, you a hater. Like, you're coming to life insurance even you come in, checking the body.
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A
Like, you know, well, technically, this nigga had a scar on his elbow, so that's $5,000 less. That means, you know, he was prone to accidents, right?
- [35:03]
B
Like, being petty. Like, if someone commits suicide, you're like, oh, well, we can't give you your policy because remember, that's down here. Like, you know, haters, haters. So. So, of course, this hater gets tittalized when he gets on the Internet and realizes that this is not TR's first fire. So then his hater senses are bubbling and he starts his investigation a year after. So the more we dug, the more he was sure that this is a grand scheme. A year after purchasing the yacht, TR bought. And a jet for fighter pilots, that requires parts. Wait, excuse me. So after a year after purchasing the yacht, TR bought a jet for fighter pilots that requires parts from overseas. So he called up a former Soviet test pilot who found the required parts on a former Cold War base in Hungary. Wow. What? That's the richest sentence I've read in a long time.
- [36:00]
A
Yeah, like, that doesn't even compute to me. Like, what does that even mean?
- [36:04]
B
He bought a Fighter jet, which apparently you can just. Just buy those. Not that military.
- [36:11]
A
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not
- [36:12]
B
white people buy anything in the us. Like we have military grade weapons for sale. So I mean, I guess you can buy a fighter jet, cuz. Yeah, why not?
- [36:20]
A
Cuz why not? Why not? Why. Why would. Why wouldn't you want one either?
- [36:25]
B
Why wouldn't you need that? So he's like, you know, you know how you do, you buy a fighter pilot, but then you like, oh, I need some parts. So you call up your homie from the Soviet Union, Gustav, you know, you hit him up or whatever and. And he put. He pull up and tell you that all the parts you need are. Ain't hungry. So then, you know, you pull up the Budapest like as you do, you
- [36:46]
A
know, you know, as a does
- [36:50]
B
in Budapest. So that's when TR's business took an unexpected turn. Oh. So while he's trying to get the parts for the spider jet, business is starting to go in a bad direction.
- [37:05]
A
So involving them Russians, they be. They ain't gonna you.
- [37:08]
B
So TR said, I'm going to do the same thing that I with my junkyard business. In 2005, I start putting the plane parts online. I became known as a guy who could deliver anything anywhere in the world. So. So basically this wasn't a downward turn as I originally thought. He decided that he was gonna start selling. So because he had access to fighter jet parts.
- [37:33]
A
Mm. He gonna start selling them to more people who want fighter jet parts.
- [37:39]
B
Like, what the.
- [37:40]
A
How many. How many people out there won't fighter J parts?
- [37:44]
B
You know, I'm on ebay every day trying to get fighter jet parts.
- [37:47]
A
You know, I need to. I need to go ahead and circle that corner of the Internet because apparently I'm not. I'm not privy to it.
- [37:53]
B
When the revolution happens, I will be in my fighter jet. That's.
- [37:57]
A
You know, honestly. Listen, listen. Come November, I don't know when this is coming out, but come November 4, either in the future or in the past, we may need some fighter jets to start, you know, fighting on these.
- [38:11]
B
Right. See, that's why you need to have your fighter jet.
- [38:13]
A
All right? So I. Okay, okay.
- [38:16]
B
So occasionally he would sell entire aircraft. So I think what happened here is that tr, you know, called his homie, got his fighter jet parts and then was like, wow, I have friends everywhere. I probably could actually sell this kind of rare shit to other rich, bored, you know, nasty rich men. Right?
- [38:33]
A
Yeah. Yeah.
- [38:34]
B
So he gets online, he starts slanging this, you know, you can get anything from a propeller wheel to a whole aircraft. He's selling online. And here I was thinking cars online was, like, bizarre. But aircraft online, I know you.
- [38:49]
A
Honestly, I. So I started. I'm. I'm like, I want to give my. We're trying to buy my grandmother a car, but, you know, we're trying to buy a cheaper car. And so. Yes. So I'm like, in the. And she lives in Chicago, so, like, I can't be there. So I was. I'm looking into online car buying, and I was on that motherfucker for five minutes and I was like, this shit is too much. And I gave up. So can you imagine online looking for airplane part? Like, what the fuck type of person do you need to be to be looking for fighter jet parts on ebay?
- [39:26]
B
I mean, I want to be that kind of person. I need to be that rich and that bored. Then I'm like, I don't know, a fighter jet, that's what we're into now. I want this kind of hobby. So what's interesting about this is that occasionally, when he sold the aircrafts, they were demilitarized. You see, I said occasionally, when it should be 100% of the time. So demilitarized meaning that their weapons were removed. Other times he said the weapons weren't removed.
- [39:54]
A
Mm. Wow. That shit is scary. That shit is scary.
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B
He never planned to become an international arms dealer, but the sales just snowballed, so.
- [40:06]
A
Oh, shit. So he started selling fucking fighter jet guns, basically.
- [40:13]
B
Yes. And missiles to non government agencies.
- [40:19]
A
Oh, tr.
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B
Tr. You knew what you were doing.
- [40:25]
A
How you go from selling your old boss's old kiosk inventory to selling weapons to fucking in the black market.
- [40:31]
B
And what's wild to me about this is the type of manipulation that we always get when it comes to, you know, people who are higher in society. So this man is white, he's male, he's rich. He's obviously on the upper echelon of the society as it exists now. So in storytelling, we're getting like, he just fell into being an illegal arms dealer. When it's like, no, he did not fall into that. You don't trip and fall into being war dogs.
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A
Yeah,
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B
if I go outside right now, I could go anywhere. But there's probably 100 chance that when I come back inside, I would not be an illegal arms dealer.
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A
No, you would. Well, maybe 99. You gotta always save 1% for the unknown. Right.
- [41:17]
B
Somehow I trip and fall and get roped in.
- [41:20]
A
You know, what if somebody say, yo, Lacey, Let me come here real quick.
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B
And I go naturally as you dream.
- [41:26]
A
Yeah, you go. You go naturally. Like 10, 10 seasons, five Emmys, one Oscar winning movie. All you gotta do is sell these motherfucking weapons. What you doing, Lacey? You gonna sell them damn weapons?
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B
You know I would. TR said the deals just got bigger and bigger and the stakes got higher and higher. And before you realize it, you've got a load of freshly overhauled attack helicopters getting snuck out of Marseille in the middle of the night, going to Chad.
- [41:54]
A
Wow.
- [41:56]
B
You know, you know how that happens. One drink turns into two, three drinks turns into a fleet of helicopters getting snuck out of France.
- [42:05]
A
I need to look at this guy again because you, you sent me the picture of him and I saw it before we started talking about this episode. But as this episode has gone on, my visual image of what he looks like has changed. Like he, like, I see him as somebody from like Breaking Bad now, like Tuco or some shit.
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B
He's also operating in like, places like Athens, Texas, is like, there's. If you do anything in Athens, Texas, the chances of you getting away with it are exponentially higher. I mean, the town is small, so people talk a lot, but it's a lot of land. You could just be out in the woods doing any old damn thing, thing. Like, it's a great place. So Jim Reed, our hater, that's our hater investigator. He's back. He began calling the Texas Department of insurance and studying TR's financial records. Reed believed that he had found many clear cases of fraud. In 2012, TR bought a 1966 Beechcraft Baron, the plane that later ended up in the Gulf of Mexico, for $46,000. And he insured it for $85,000. TR got the insurance money. But that wasn't all. Reed found out that TR also conspired in a personal injury lawsuit. His partner sued TR and received a hundred thousand dollar settlement from TR's insurance company, then turned around and transferred $42,000 to TR's company. So to make that clear and simple, he's saying, so the hater has gotten the records. He's like, man, when this fool crashed his plane into golf, he was like, my neck, my back, my back, my neck in my back. And so he got his friend to get insurance from his company and then was like, you can keep half, basically.
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A
Damn.
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B
So you sue my company so that I can pull the company insurance to get a hundred thousand dollars, then you get half.
- [43:58]
A
Damn. I mean, listen, I can't be mad. Listen, I mean, I can't be mad if. I would be mad if that, you know, if. If it affected me. But since it don't, you know, let's make that money.
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B
But also, like, what gives Reed the right to be doing all this damn digging? You was just supposed to come down here and investigate one charred plane at an airplane hangar in Anthes, Texas. You wasn't supposed to be out here. Who are you? See? Rock hard. He's rock hard in his office, just typing and cringing, his little numbers getting all corny. Oh, my goodness. So then in 2014, TR bought the first plane, the rotisserie one that. He bought that one for $190,000. That's the one that Reed was originally supposed to be looking at.
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A
Okay.
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B
One of his companies, co owned with a Frenchman, had secured insurance on the plane for half a million dollars. Basically $440,000. After the fire, the Frenchman filed the insurance claim and TR Received the proceeds. So that's the other thing is, like, he's buying stuff for cheaper and then burning it up after. He has an insurance policy that doubles the value.
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A
Man, I. That's. I mean, listen, that's smart, but it's also wild as hell. Also wild as hell.
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B
He crashed a Lamborghini, did the same situation. So it's like his insurance company has been paying out so much. And what's crazy to me is, like, if you get an accident, like, if you get, like, more than two accidents, you get dropped by your insurance. TR Having an accident every Tuesday, like, ain't nobody gonna drop him. The black man from Allstate showed up to my house and said, you are no longer in good hands. When I got into my second accident, they was like, bitch, get out of here. Scram.
- [45:34]
A
Flo was like, yo, I need to take everything from you, including you. Can't even watch my commercials no more. I would have did that shit.
- [45:40]
B
Flo came back with that progressive clicker, and she was like, boop, boop, boop, we no longer represent you.
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A
Damn.
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B
But he's continuing to just.
- [45:49]
A
He waking up on Tuesday and was like, well, guess I'll go crash a plane today.
- [45:53]
B
You know how I do. This is him on the phone with his Soviet Union fighter jet pilot friend. So he also, remember, got a boat, and that boat sank in the marina under mysterious circumstances. So here's the other thing. TR how you gonna every time get. You gotta.
- [46:13]
A
If you like, you gotta keep something, you gotta, like, you gotta keep one or two things. Like, you just obvious at this point, bro.
- [46:23]
B
Like, this is ridiculous to be quite Honest, like, how you just gonna. The audacity of this, man. You gonna buy a Lambo and be like, yeah, we. It crashed into the lake yesterday. Yeah, I know. I took it off the lot last Thursday. But, yeah, it crashed into the lake. Very unfortunate. I will need half a million dollars.
- [46:39]
A
Damn. Damn. How he get away with this shit for so damn long?
- [46:44]
B
So getting caught, perfect time to answer that question. Reed wanted to get TR into custody before he fled the country because, you know, TR loves to do that. So he tracked TR's location to Las Vegas. Reed and another agent set up up a sting that looks like a scene out of a 70s action film. Almost a dozen agents dressed to blend in, were stationed inside and outside the hotel. See, this is why they be doing this, because they be getting so horny to have a sting after movies made stings. And the FBI look so cool. I feel like regular FBI cornballs are probably always like, oh, is it a sting day? Costumes, like, production value, like that old.
- [47:23]
A
Like that McDonald's documentary. Did you watch that? He was so horny.
- [47:28]
B
An episode for that. He was so corny, too, because I watched it after I did the episode for our podcast, and I was like, this is lame, because it was a bunch of FBI guys being like. So then when he left the receipt, I was like, ooh, I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run the barcode. He's like, winking it. I was like, you guys are fucking nerds.
- [47:51]
A
Ew.
- [47:52]
B
So these guys are horned up, horned up in costume, ready to sting, yo.
- [47:58]
A
Yeah, they pushing zipper.
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B
So Dr. Was in Vegas to close a deal he had for $70,000 in cash to a. And he had it in a Louis Vuitton briefcase. So he came with the crime outfit. He got a Louis Vuitton briefcase filled with $70,000 in cash as he goes to close the deal. I feel like these days, if I see anybody with a briefcase, I just assume there's cash in it. Like, where else in life do you
- [48:24]
A
need a briefcase, either cash or a weapon, right?
- [48:29]
B
It's never business like it used to be. So in the briefcase with $70,000 in cash, right? Along with the title for a Ferrari. Two pistols and two cell phones, one of them disposable. Reed, who was waiting in the lobby, recognized T.R. from the photos that he had been wanking at every night. No, he didn't.
- [48:51]
A
That was in. That was in. That was in the article. That was in the article.
- [48:53]
B
That was in the article. No, but it's obvious that Reid is definitely, like, after this man, like, he's like, hot on his trail. Emphasis on hot. So he's been collecting these photos over the years. See, that's why I was like, I guess you're doing this for research. But, like, where do you keep these photos at your house? I don't know, Reid.
- [49:14]
A
You know, listen, some, you know, haters
- [49:16]
B
get excited for this kind of stuff. I feel like he had one of those boards up in his house where he was drawing with the little red string. Like he's there and now he's here. This is his obsession. So I'm painting all of this on Reed. Reed's probably a normal guy. Reed followed him outside as TR Took his keys from the valet and stepped toward his Ferrari. TR wr. Right. Reed said, we have a federal arrest warrant. Dun dun. TR Turned and froze. Shot. What's going on? He asked as agents surrounded him in court. TR Pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit arson and conspiracy to commit wire fraud. And he was sentenced to 65 months in a low security federal prison until February 2022.
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A
Damn. Just one count. This nigga count. He didn't. He arsoned at least.
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B
He had 11 counts.
- [50:06]
A
Yeah, he arsoned at least 50 times. And why? Tapped his.
- [50:12]
B
This boy arson's everything he got.
- [50:15]
A
What you mean, just a count of arson?
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B
He was arsoning all over town.
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A
He was arsoning all over the damn country.
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B
What y' all talking about? He had frauded everything he owned. What y' all mean? I love it. You love to see it. Just one count. He was also ordered to forfeit his jet, the one he hadn't arsoned, and to pay $988,554.83. That 83 cents is petty in restitution to various insurance companies.
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A
Okay, how much was it again? How much did he have to pay again?
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B
$988,554.83. Don't forget their 83 cents. We will not take 82.
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A
You know, we wouldn't take it. Okay. I mean, honestly, I'm surprised it's that low with how much shit he like. Like. But that's still a lot. I mean, that's a lot of money. But I was thinking, I think they
- [51:14]
B
only made him pay back what he stole.
- [51:16]
A
Okay.
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B
Which is fascinating. Cause I feel like courts with restitution, they'd be adding on. But I guess you can't add on for pain and suffering if it's like a company.
- [51:23]
A
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Damn, T.R.
- [51:27]
B
t.R. I'm proud of you, but I'm also disappointed because it just felt like one. You had a lot going on. You. You didn't even get in trouble for being in a legal arms dealer, it feels like.
- [51:38]
A
Right? He didn't. He got in trouble for burning his
- [51:41]
B
shit up, like, too much. Like. Like we don't know how many murders he's facilitated, how much illegal crime he's, you know, unknowingly a participant in from selling fighter jets. Feels like something that shouldn't be able to be sold by a civilian at least.
- [51:58]
A
Yeah. You got in trouble for doing too much shit too close together. You could even. You could have spaced it out. Out one. One year, one the next year. And people be like, damn, he just unlucky.
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B
T.R.
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A
t.R.
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B
You know, you came, you saw, you arsoned. You barely got a jail sentence. You going to be free 65 months.
- [52:18]
A
And. And the low security, this dude watching cable, right? I think Martha Stewart got more.
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B
She was like, what was she?
- [52:25]
A
At least in the medium.
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B
I mean, look, February 22nd is around the corner. If we make it there. So TR Will be back. And I'm suspiciously start heading into the Gulf of Mexico again and being arsoned.
- [52:41]
A
At this point. At this point, TR Just got shielded from COVID This nigga, he getting rewarded.
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B
Not really in jail like they've been
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A
getting, but medium security. They get that shit in high security. And medium security, he quarantined. Away from niggas, maybe, right? He in his own little space. He got a bed, he getting his meals. He just ain't he on house arrest, basically.
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Well, guys, speaking of arrest. No, I'm kidding. Speaking of nothing that we were speaking about. This is a great segue. We're gonna take a break for some non scam advertisements, robbery and fraud. And we are back. And I'm so sad because you guys know what it is. It's the end of the show. But before we let Jacquees go, we have to talk about an honorary Charlotte Scammer of the week. You know him, you love him. Indubitably. Kings and Kangs.
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Mm.
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Yes, I said Kings and Kangs. Guys, today we're Talking about rapper T.I. who gets caught in a fraudulent cryptocurrency scheme.
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A
Really?
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B
Yes. Now, we all know TI Is a rapper, an avid cheating enthusiast and habitual hymen checker. Oh, God. And also a dictionary dabbler. TI Loves the word of the day, okay? Whether he uses it correctly or not, you know, up to you. So in 2017, the securities and Exchange Commission implicated five Atlanta area people, including Clifford T.I. harris, for promoting Flick FL, Lowercase I, Uppercase K. And CoinSpark, two unregistered and fraudulent initial coin offerings. ICOs led by Film producer Ryan Felton. So these are supposed to be like Bitcoin ICOs. Like, y', all, we got a new cryptocurrency. Come get some of that flick, y', all, which I invested in Coin Spark. Look, Bitcoin sounds fake too, but Coin Spark sounds extra fake.
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Coin Spark sound like the cousin to that coin machine at the grocery stores.
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B
Coin Star.
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Coin Star. Yeah, that's what it is.
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B
His less bright cousin.
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His less bright cousin like, yo, we can't take quarters, but we can take nickels and dimes.
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B
We also don't take pennies.
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A
We don't take pennies either. We just take nickels and dimes.
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Now, when you put it in, if we don't take it, we do keep it, but we can't give you change. We can't like cash for it, though. Sorry, that's not what we do at Coin Spark. All right. We also charge 50%, right?
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Yeah, there's a 50% fee for using our services.
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So the complaint against TI claims that TI offered and sold Flick tokens on his social media accounts, falsely claiming to be a Flick co. I have to say Flick like that to be a Flick Co owner and encouraging his followers to invest in in the Flick SEO. So when he made this encouragement, I remember this because they were actually talking about it on another podcast that I love and they were saying that he was on Instagram shaming people like, oh, why? Why are we buying out cars and jewelry? And why your kings and queens? Why we out here buying these subjugated material from the Ribbo Flavin when we really need to be investing our money in things like Flick?
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And when we invest, we can have the conglomerate be of the Pomerants.
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Open your third eye. So. So TI also asked a celebrity friend to promote the flick ICO and social media and provided language for the post, referring to flickering as TI's new venture. TI social media manager William Sparks was also charged. Well, I'm guessing Coin Spark maybe has something to do with that. Producer Ryan Felton used the funds he misappropriated and the proceeds of his manipulative training to buy a Ferrari, a million dollar home, diamond jewelry, and other luxury goods. A spokesperson for TI said in a statement. Mr. Harris regrets his involvement with Mr. Felton. He attempted to help a local entrepreneur who presented an innovative idea for streaming online platforms that would help reduce barriers of entry for creators of music and video Content.
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Also, I just looked at a picture of Ryan Felton, and he looks like he sniffs butts.
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B
What does that mean?
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It just looked like he looked like he owns some shit. He just looked like he owns some shit. Go look at this damn picture of him.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
It looks bad. He looks bad.
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So TI Was like, look, I didn't even know how I got involved in Corn Flick. What I actually was trying to do was start a streaming platform, much like Tidal. It was gonna be titled with a T. So, T, I said, I'm here for a streaming platform. That's all. I didn't even know nothing about the flick coin. Okay, listen, I thought we was about to start the black title. Well, I guess it's already a black title, but we was gonna be titled
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with a T. We was gonna be a title with the T. It's already a title with the T. We was gonna be titled with two T's. Title with two T's.
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We was gonna be Wave Get Wavy. Okay. I had no idea this was also a bitcoin conspiracy. TI I. I feel like you did know in Atlanta, y', all, I love Atlanta because Atlanta is also a good scam mecca. I feel like in America, you've got Silicon Valley, which is not number one. I would say Brooklyn's number one. Brooklyn, you got Silicon Valley, you got Atlanta, and you got Miami, okay? For just, like, great, ripe scam in America. And then you go to Nigeria. You got places in Nigeria, beautiful scam utopias. And I'm learning more about scam regions of the world. I really enjoy it. Anyway, anywhere that has, like, bank accounts, like Switzerland, the Bahamas, Caymans, you know, Scam Island.
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A
Okay.
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B
All right.
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A
I mean, you know, listen, one day I'll go to some of these places and learn from the best, but until then, I just need to learn from you. You gonna tell me all the scams? Cause I, you know, I'm trying to get my bag up in. In the easiest way possible, you know? In the easiest way possible.
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B
As you should. Well, shout out to an unscrupulous, metaphysical,
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triumphant king, TI Also, TI Came to me. If TI Came to me with a business proposition. I like nah, bro. Nah, bro. Like, listen, I like nah.
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B
Is you happy?
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A
Yeah, I am happy. Why is a no, no.
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B
Why you want to go and do that, J.
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A
Come get some flick, you know, we could do whatever you like.
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B
Yeah, as long as it's crime.
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A
As long as it's crime, right?
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B
You do whatever you like. All right, Jacques, where do you want to be found?
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Oh, where do I want to be found? You can find me everywhere at Jacques Neil on the social medias. That will literally tell you any and everything you need to know about what I'm doing and what I'm up to. And that's just good enough.
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B
Yes. Any podcast.
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Oh, yeah. Culture. Culture Kings. Culture Kings. Check that out. You know, going strong, you know what I'm saying? And then is in development right now. But me and the Homie Raisoni, we are going to be having a new show on the Headgum network. It's about reality tv, so check that out. You know, I'm somebody who knows very little about reality tv, so it should be very fun to listen to me talk about it. So, yeah, I'm excited about that. So, you know, like I said, hit me on the socials, find out what I'm doing, check it out, Be a good time.
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B
All right, guys. And that brings us to the conclusion of our show. As always, if you'd like to find me, I'm at D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms if you want to follow the show. Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms if you want to snitch on your friends and your family. Scamgodesspodmail.com alright, congregation, stay scheming. Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess is starring me.
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Duh.
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Scam Goddess AK Mosley. Scam Goddess is produced by Chelsea Jacobson and engineered by Marina Baiz with research by Sherrilyn Vera. Stay scheming.