The King of Good Times and His Shady Sky Mansion w/ Zach Cherry

Summary

Scam Goddess Episode Summary: "The King of Good Times and His Shady Sky Mansion" Featuring Zach Cherry

Introduction

In this episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley welcomes her guest, actor and comedian Zach Cherry, known for his roles in popular series such as iCarly, Better Call Saul, and Severance. The episode, titled "The King of Good Times and His Shady Sky Mansion," delves into one of the most audacious scams involving a billionaire tycoon and his extravagant endeavors.

Personal Anecdotes and Banter

The episode begins with Laci sharing a humorous recount of attending an LA Kings hockey game, inadvertently participating in a "Negro Night." This serves as a light-hearted segue into their conversation about scams and personal vulnerabilities. Zach reflects on his childhood investment in Beanie Babies, highlighting how he "scammed himself" by believing in their financial potential:

Zach Cherry (07:00): "I do get scammed myself a few times. I was a Beanie Baby investor as a child."

Laci and Zach engage in playful banter about zaniness in scams, comparing it to playful deceptions and humorous scenarios, such as imagining airlines named after alcoholic beverages.

Historic Hoodwinks: The Tale of Vijay Malia

The core segment, Historic Hoodwinks, focuses on Vijay Malia, a billionaire tycoon dubbed the "King of Good Times." Malia's most notorious scheme involved constructing a lavish $20 million Sky Mansion, a replica of the White House perched atop a 33-story skyscraper in Bangalore, India. However, Malia's grand plans were thwarted when he was deemed an economic offender and barred from returning to India.

Key Highlights:

1. Construction and Design Flaws

   • The Sky Mansion, known as Castle the Sky, stands 400 feet above ground, supported by experimental cent levers. Both Laci and Zach express concerns about its structural integrity:

     Laci Mosley (21:54): "Yeah. It looks like a Jenga situation." Zach Cherry (22:22): "It looks like a fifth place egg drop."

2. Kingfisher Airlines

   • Malia expanded his empire by launching Kingfisher Airlines in 2005, aimed at providing luxury services with features like seatback TVs and gourmet cuisine. Despite initial popularity, the airline struggled financially due to overspending and mismanagement.
   • By 2012, Kingfisher Airlines ceased operations and declared bankruptcy, accumulating debts exceeding ₹1.4 billion owed to 17 Indian banks. Malia's refusal to repay these debts led to legal actions and his eventual flight from India.

3. Lifestyle and Public Image

   • Malia cultivated an image of opulence, hosting extravagant parties with celebrities like Lionel Richie. His flamboyant lifestyle, complete with copious diamonds and lavish events, painted him as both a successful businessman and a figure embroiled in excess.
   • Despite his wealth, Malia's inability to manage his ventures resulted in significant financial downfall and legal troubles.

4. Extradition and Current Status

   • After fleeing to the UK in 2016, Malia remains a fugitive, evading India's attempts to extradite him. He claims to be a victim of unfair targeting, maintaining that he has repaid his debts—claims that remain unverified.

Notable Quotes

• Zach Cherry on Kingfisher Airlines' Collapse (54:17):

  "Yeah, 100%. That's why I was like in full support of the pilot strikes and the, and you know, the steward strike or not stewards flight attendant strikes."

• Laci Mosley on Malia's Extravagance (28:18):

  "He's got swag. If someone walks into a room and they're like, look, we want to build the White House. It's gonna be a huge tourist attraction."

• Discussion on Scam Perception (12:04):

  Zach Cherry: "I think the whole stock market is a scam."

Insights and Conclusions

Through the engaging dialogue with Zach Cherry, Laci Mosley unravels the complexities of Vijay Malia's scam, highlighting how immense wealth and extravagant ambitions can often mask underlying fraudulent activities. The episode underscores the importance of vigilance and skepticism, even when dealing with seemingly legitimate ventures.

Final Thoughts

Laci wraps up the episode by emphasizing the audacity of Malia's schemes and the lasting impact of his actions on India's economy. The humorous yet informative discussion serves as a cautionary tale about the allure of wealth and the perils of unchecked ambition.

Stay Schemin'

For those intrigued by the darker yet humorous side of fraud, this episode of Scam Goddess offers a captivating blend of true crime and comedy, ensuring listeners are both entertained and enlightened.

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Transcript

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[Lacy Mosley]

Scams, robbery and fraud. Scams, CA Robbery and Frau what's poppin? Congregation, it's your girl Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And today we have a blast from my personal past who's a first time guest at the church. So everybody stand up and wave to your neighbor. Yes. Today we have an actor, a comedian and a fellow OG from ucb. He recently had to battle it out with his innie for the love of his Audi's wife as Dylan from the hit Apple TV series Severance. You might also know him from other hit TV show and movies like Fallout Secession. My favorite. You and Shang Chi and the Legend of Ten Rings. This man is on the grind, y' all. He was also a spider man. Okay. I be knowing his IMDb without even having to look, okay? Because I be gagged. And we love it. Congregation, please welcome the incredibly talented Zach Cherry to the show. Hi, Zack.

[Zach Cherry]

Hi. I'm so glad to finally be welcomed into the the halls of the congregation.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. It's been so long since you've been to church. I heard you only come on holiday like Easter, you know.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. And I do it on leap year too, so it's. It's very rare.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's hard to catch you probably because you're so. Books.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Booked and blessed.

[Zach Cherry]

Hopefully God will forgive.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'll talk to him. I don't know about that.

[Zach Cherry]

Please, please.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like the last time I saw you was like at our mutual cult party, which was like we used to do. Remember dcm?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Yeah. That must have been.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, the Del Close marathon in New York City. So, I mean, other than seeing you on my TV screen, which I always love to See, it's very much that Leonardo DiCaprio meme, like.

[Zach Cherry]

But, yeah, that was many years ago.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was many years ago. Well, how have you been, Zach?

[Zach Cherry]

I've been good. I've been, you know, trying to stay busy.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, I don't know if it's trying. It's very much, very much giving. Busy.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So I'm glad we scammed a little bit of your time. I was telling you that I'm wearing an LA Kings jersey because I'm recording from home today. Or not jersey, but hoodie. And I told you I'm an LA Kings fan now because they gave me this hoodie. I went to this, like, my publicist, who I love so much, Jordan Shout out to you. She was like, oh, do you want to go to this, like, hockey game? And I was like, okay, yeah, like, let me bring my homegirl. It's, you know, February. I've never been to a hockey game before. No, I've been to hockey games, but I went to, like, the Dallas Stars, like, when I was a kid. They used to be, like, a treat for us, but. So I haven't been in a minute, so. So I go. And we're sitting in the section, we're all talking and stuff. Like, you know how they have people ride the Zamboni, and if you don't know what a Zamboni is, it's like the ice softener. So after they skate a bunch, it puts a bunch of, like, grooves in the ice. So then at, like, half. It's not even halftime, but I guess it is halftime. But then they drive around the Zamboni that, like, re. Smooths the ice.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes. But they have. They have people ride it other than, like, the professional driver.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Lacy Mosley]

The driver's on the inside. And then whoever is, like, whether it be like a, you know, little make a wish baby or, you know, like a celebrity or something, they'll ride on top and, like, wave to the crowd. It's kind of funny and awkward because you have to, like, ride it all the way around the rink multiple times. And it moves slow, it moves slow. It moves slow. And so they were. There was this Beautiful woman from 36-888 who was riding on the Zamboni, and it was mo slow. And they were playing like, they not like us. They, you know, like all this stuff. You know, it's like, okay, this is so cute. And they got a black woman on the ice tonight. Like, that's one black person on the ice tonight. Because, you know, that's great. And so then I'm talking to people, and I'm running into friends, like, in the section that we were put in for the hockey game. And I was, like, slowly realizing, like, something was, like, a little bit of a scam, like, because, like, they came over and they gave me this hoodie, like, in a little bag with my name on it and stuff. And I was like, oh, thank you so much. And then we started looking up around, like, the stadium at the Tickers. And, you know, the Tickers will have, like, oh, the score. And then, like, they'll have something else. Well, I saw, like, a black and green flag, and I was like, that's interesting. And then I started to look around the section and slowly realize. I was like, oh, my God, it is Negro night at the hockey game.

[Zach Cherry]

It was. It was surprise Negro night for you.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was surprise Negro night, and it was February, so. But I'm like, it's the last week in February. And I was like, are y' all. Are y' all for real?

[Zach Cherry]

They. They had the test, and they had to get it done before the end of the month.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yo, I thought we went. Cause, like, I was like, oh, this is a popping ticket. Because, you know, the Kings have a rivalry with, like, that Canada team. Don't get me to lying. But they've been beefing and fighting on the ice and stuff. So I was like, oh, they're giving us good tickets, like. Cause, you know, we work in TV that they want us to be seen. And I'm like, oh, my go. Oh, my God, y' all. It's Negro night.

[Zach Cherry]

Well, it sounds like it was a great night.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it was super fun. No, I loved it. Like, if I'm gonna, you know, go to a random hockey game, I want it to be Negro night. But it was very funny. Cause I was like, oh, look, they got a little black queen on the ice machine. Then I was like, oh, they playing. They not like, us with the orchestra.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay, it's slowly dawning on you.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm looking around the section. I'm like, everybody is black in this section. Okay. What is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? As anything weird happened to you, like, Negro night at the LA Kings game?

[Zach Cherry]

I mean, that's. If you're going to get scammed, that's the way to do it, because you got a hoodie and you got some tickets to a hockey game.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it was great.

[Zach Cherry]

No, no, my relationship to scams in general, I'm pro scam. I Guess or not pro.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm just like punching up, not down.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm so. I'm. I'm neutral, I'm soft pro. You know, I'm not a full on supporter, but I feel like sometimes scams, you know, those, like hackers who will like hack a company and then be like, hey, this is how we did it. We were just doing it for your best interest.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, yes.

[Zach Cherry]

Some scams can be like that where you hear about it once and then you know, okay. That they're not gonna get me that way, you know, so like, sometimes that's my general thing. I don't have a ton of. I don't get got myself very often. I'm very vigilant. That's not an invitation for people to try to get.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, I'm sorry, I did. I said, oh, like that because I was like, you have such a. Like, like a very kind, sweet face with kind eyes. I feel like I would be trying to get you all the time.

[Zach Cherry]

I keep. My head is on the swivel. I'm. I'm aware my. My dad is a very. I won't go so far as to say paranoid, but very aware gentleman, and he has instilled that in me. I think the closest thing to me getting scammed is I've scammed myself a few times. I was a. I was a Beanie Baby investor as a. As a child.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, you know, I covered those.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, I thought that was like. I thought that was a good financial choice. And, you know, so I've fallen for things like that. But. But I haven't been duped. You know, I've duped myself.

[Lacy Mosley]

I would argue I covered Beanie Babies on this show with Lisa Gilroy. And I would argue. I don't know, Zach, that was kind of a scam that they got you with you. A plushy toy was really. That was already saturated in the market. Was going to appreciate and so much value.

[Zach Cherry]

Well, it was.

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, I'm not knocking it. There's. People are invested in bitcoin. There's all types of little scams to like invest money in. I'm not knocking it.

[Zach Cherry]

I didn't get in early enough, so I guess I did get scammed. But I at least got. I did also like the Beanie, so I got the little.

[Lacy Mosley]

What was your favorite?

[Zach Cherry]

I had Sly the Fox.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

Sly the Fox. That was my guy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Was that a rare collectible?

[Zach Cherry]

No, that was like the. That was like the least rare imaginable.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did you just have like lots of.

[Zach Cherry]

Slides or just No, I had one Sly, and that was the one that I didn't treat like a collectible. The Sly was my friend. You know, Sly and me, we hung out. Sly was out of the box. Sly didn't have a tag. Sly was like, you know, hanging around.

[Lacy Mosley]

I wonder how Sly felt about that. Honestly, I bet he felt great because.

[Zach Cherry]

All the other beanie babies didn't get, didn't get bad.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm like, why I don't deserve to be in the plastic. Why Sly out here on the street like the family stone? Like, why can't I be.

[Zach Cherry]

I guess it depends if they follow Toy Story rules or not. Because the toys wanted to be played with. So, yeah, I assume Sly was under the Toy Story rules. So he was, he was happy.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know. Sly was an investment opportunity. And I feel like if I'm Sly, I'm definitely like the side chick that you hit up like after Thanksgiving. The, you know, every, every Valentine's Day, I'm getting a little dick dropped off, you know, on the 15th. Like I feel like me personally, if I was Sly, I would feel slighted.

[Zach Cherry]

Sly was the one who was traveling with me everywhere. Sly was, Sly was like my ride or die. Sly wasn't the side piece. Sly was in the trenches with me.

[Lacy Mosley]

The trenches. A. Sly was your bottom bitch. See how this is.

[Zach Cherry]

Look, we're, I'm gonna have to see, I'm gonna have to get in touch with Sly and see. Probably Sly is still at my parents house. So, you know, I'll have to, you know, check in. I, I, to be honest, I never.

[Lacy Mosley]

You didn't even bring slide to your nice New York home. That's crazy.

[Zach Cherry]

That's, that's craz lot.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, well, see, I, I give that, it is a kind of bit of a scam, but it was like a very popular one for like investing in things like that. So I, I think that you might be a little susceptible, like if we hit you with like an investment opportunity.

[Zach Cherry]

But not, I will say not anymore. As a child, that was much more likely. I also remember I one time I was at some museum and they were selling, they were selling like replicas of old time coins and bills and stuff. And it was like, you know, I would pay $10 and I would get a replica of like a 200 gold piece and I thought that I could then flip that so, so as.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, because you were gonna tell people it was real?

[Zach Cherry]

No, I thought it wasn't real. I was like, why? I was like, are they stupid? Why are they selling these nice 500 coin for $10. I didn't understand. So as a boy, I was, I. I could get got with the promise of riches. But now I'm. I'm much more cautious.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, okay, I'll take it.

[Zach Cherry]

I guess we'll, we'll find out if that's true, but I think I'm much more cautious.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think you are. I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you the benefit. It seems like you were just trying to make investments. And investments can be a rife place for scammers as well. But I do think that it's a little less risk averse than other scams where you're trying to get rich quick because at least you know you're taking a risk.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

One could argue the whole stock market is a scam.

[Zach Cherry]

So yes, yes, I am, I, I am in there, but I'm not in the crypto world. I'm, I, the, The super high risk stuff, I left that behind. That was middle school. Me, now I'm, you know.

[Lacy Mosley]

You recognize a beanie baby when you see one.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, I try to. I try to. I run it by Sly. I go, sly, how does this sound to you?

[Lacy Mosley]

Sly's like, don't talk to me. You left me at your parents house for like 10 years and I'm all raggedy from traveling with you while I look at my. My perfectly pristine friends.

[Zach Cherry]

That is true. I can't. I gotta give Sly that. He looks, he's, he's on. He's had some tough times.

[Lacy Mosley]

Not some tough times.

[Zach Cherry]

Sly has lived. You can tell. Sly has lived.

[Lacy Mosley]

Not you drag a slide through the mud.

[Zach Cherry]

I mean, Sly looks great, but you can do. There's some miles on slide.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Sly looks great for his age.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So good for his age. Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

People like hearing that.

[Lacy Mosley]

They do. I mean, yeah. Like once you get to a certain age, you want to look good for your age.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Me personally, right? Now, if someone's like, you look good for your. Well, actually, people do say that to me and I'll be like, thank you. But they give me a younger age. They be like, oh my God, you look like a fetus. And I'd be like, Google.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I'm surprised you can walk. I'm like, I learned yesterday.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. That I was just about to say I'm surprised. Yeah, I'm surprised you can walk.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you so much. It was very hard. It's hard being a baby entrepreneur out here.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Yeah. And you, you know, you're, you're you're way ahead of your age with the technology. I'm surprised. You know, I couldn't use a computer when I was that age.

[Lacy Mosley]

These babies got iPads. They got. They watching Bluey. They putting it on themselves.

[Zach Cherry]

That is true.

[Lacy Mosley]

They watching. What's her name? Ms. Rebecca or something like that. Ms. Rachel. Ms. Rachel. I love Ms. Rachel.

[Zach Cherry]

They're making FaceTime calls. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Honestly, that's the game I should have got in. I need to make a podcast for babies.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Hey, they are the. They have the access, so. Yeah, they. They're spending the money right now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? They giving them streams. Like, I need to get it. Like I told y' all, y' all need to. Out there. Congregation, you need to be playing this podcast in the other room for your baby. Only babies. Because if they can repeat words and talk, then it's too inappropriate. But, like, babies.

[Zach Cherry]

I feel like, why not? Yeah. Ms. Rachel is big business.

[Lacy Mosley]

She is.

[Zach Cherry]

You gotta take a little bit of her corner.

[Lacy Mosley]

I need to. Hi, babies. Hi, babies.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, let's take a. Just take a quick moment to say hi to the babies out there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Hi. Oh, see? Okay. Zach, you got a good baby voice. I feel like people with the babies would like your voice.

[Zach Cherry]

I think so. Yeah, I do. I think I have a gentle baby tone.

[Lacy Mosley]

You do?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's nice on the ears, so, you know, maybe you corner that mark. I will talk. Yeah, we'll talk. Because I was like, are there men in the baby space? When I was a baby, there was Blues Clues. So that was Steve.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Steve was a very gentle presence.

[Lacy Mosley]

He was. And then he came back in the pandemic and said an apology for leaving us. And I cried. I actually cried as an adult. I was like, what is happening to me? Which.

[Zach Cherry]

Which means it's not too late for me and Sly to reconcile. If Steve can come back after all those years, I. I still have a chance.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow. That's what you deduced from this? I don't know. I'm. I'm speaking for Sly, and it's gonna be hard.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay, I'll put the work in. I'll put the time in.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Zach Cherry]

Okay, this is a promising start for me. I do. I like. I like rich guys who do bizarre, like, who just do wild stuff like that, you know? Like, I think if you have a lot of extra money, that's what you should be doing. Build the White House on a skyscraper. Why not?

[Lacy Mosley]

So that's better to you than, like, getting involved in the government?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, 100%.

[Lacy Mosley]

I agree.

[Zach Cherry]

Just do something weird that in. In 50 years, people can go, like, did you hear about this guy who was alive who built that? Weird. You know, like, that's exactly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Don't be bothering us, like, why you got all this money? Why are you bothering us?

[Zach Cherry]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

You could easily be building a sky mansion in a. In a country you can't get back into.

[Zach Cherry]

That's where he maybe blew it a little bit, but I'm excited to find out how that happened.

[Lacy Mosley]

So. Castle the sky, the ghost mansion is balanced pretty dangerously. It's 400ft above the ground on top of a luxury apartment complex in Bangalore, India. It's held up by experimental cent levers, which will hopefully keep it from crashing down on the apartment dwellers below. I don't like the word hopefully when it comes to crushing me.

[Zach Cherry]

Not at all. All. Not at all. I also don't like the word experimental when it comes to something I'm living in.

[Lacy Mosley]

Come on, Zach, you live in New York City now. You would have taken experimental apartment if it had, like, rent control and, like, very large square footage and maybe a upstairs and a downstairs. And it was, like, prime location, but everything about is perfect. But it's experimental.

[Zach Cherry]

Do I know what the experiment is?

[Lacy Mosley]

No.

[Zach Cherry]

I would definitely have to think about it. You're 100% right. But this isn't in New York. I don't know what the market is like in Bangalore.

[Lacy Mosley]

Bangalore. I don't either, but pictures are crazy. I know they are, because this building looks like. I mean, I don't. I don't know how to describe it. How would you describe this building?

[Zach Cherry]

Definitely Drake wants to shoot a music video there someday. 100%.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like Drake is hiding out from a new rap beef that he started that didn't get settled with a lawsuit. And there's a drone that flies over and he throws his shoe at it.

[Zach Cherry]

That is exactly the video that, like, this screams Drake drone shoe video.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, it really does. And the fact that they had the nerve to build a lawn up there.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, it. I will admit it looks way more precarious than I thought it would. When you said there was, like, a building built on top of A skyscraper. I don't know why I thought it would make sense.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sense.

[Zach Cherry]

This really. It looks like a Jenga situation. Like, it looks like someone just picked this house up and plopped it on top and is just like walking away and hoping nothing moves.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. And the center levers are these two things on the sides. You see these right here?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I don't that. To me, I feel like I could make that with pipe cleaners for like a school project and it wouldn't stand.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, it looks like a spider web.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. It's giving like, egg drop. Okay. Spider man. You would know.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. But like, yeah, we. I went through an intense, you know, spider research phase before I was able to. To participate in the Spider man universe. So. Yeah, that, that according to my research, that looks like spiderwebs.

[Lacy Mosley]

It does look like spider webs, which, I mean, in theory are pretty strong until like a human walks through them or like a strong gust of wind. So not really that strong. It's giving me like egg drop. I feel like I would put like a. Be in school and have like a raw egg and like drop it off a building. It would not survive. I don't think it would survive.

[Zach Cherry]

It's looking like a fifth place egg drop.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

You know, you're not. You're not meddling. You're not in the top three. You have some good ideas, but. But your egg did not survive.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was for effort. It was e for effort. Fifth forever. Also what's striking me, obviously people had to get up there and build that. And on top of that, like, who is like maintenance in the grass? Are gardeners going up there? I'm not trimming no hedges up there.

[Zach Cherry]

Well, especially if the man of the house isn't even allowed in the country, I'm going to let it get overgrown. He's not. He's not checking and does.

[Lacy Mosley]

Do you see a large fence around this? I'm seeing like a little bit of a fence situation, but it's not really giving. Like, we're not going to topple over the edge.

[Zach Cherry]

No, it looks scary. It looks scary. Scary. I don't like heights and I would not. I would legitimately not even go up there.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think same. It's giving me anxiety and it's also giving me like, what if you had. You have a mansion this big, you have to have a family. Like, I don't want my kids flying off the house. I mean, because, you know, think about it like parents put responsible parents. You know, if they have a pool in the backyard, they're going to put that gate over the pool if their kids are a certain age. Like, I don't like accidental drowning worries me, but like my kids flying off the building.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, the gate, the gate needs to be around the entire house and you need to not let the kids even near it.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's.

[Zach Cherry]

That's where you need the gate for this house.

[Lacy Mosley]

They don't leave the house unless they going down the elevator to the bottom of the building. I don't think they need to be seeing a view.

[Zach Cherry]

And they need to be wearing those like wing suits at all times just in case everyone.

[Lacy Mosley]

Y' all get to the house. All right, y' all strap in. Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

If you have friends over, they gotta.

[Lacy Mosley]

Get the wingsuits on and sign a waiver.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, you. You need a lot of. You need a lot of logistics to come visit this house.

[Lacy Mosley]

You really do. And so the. We know that it's 400ft in the air. It's clearly not looking very stable to me. The house includes 40,000 square feet of L space over two floors. Almost as much as 55,000 square ft of the actual White House in Washington D.C. it has a rooftop helipad. It has dramatic colonnades. I'm guessing those are like the pillars. Like, like the White House. A traditional porch, banks of windows, vast gardens, an infinity pool. I don't want an infinity pool off the edge of a 400 building in.

[Zach Cherry]

I can already see infinity just from being up there. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't need to feel like I'm floating towards infinity and beyond. No, thank you. And it's got a 360 degree city view. The infinity pool is actually off the edge of the sky deck, which sounds even worse. Do we have a. We have a video here with some drone footage in the air. And let's see what we can like see through the drone footage. Oh, this music is scary.

[Zach Cherry]

Yep. Very dramatic.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like you're going to die up here. Say your last words. Why would I go up there? Oh, bird just flew by and I think the bird was flying lower to the building. I don't like that. I don't like that.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. And I don't want to. I. They. You said there's a helipad. I. I don't, I don't trust landing a helicopter on this already. Precarious.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. You know, it's a helipad on top of the. This feels like a sandwich on the sandwich on the sandwich. It's a helipad on top of the two story mansion, on top of the lawn and the Infinity pool on top of the building.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes. Yeah, that's too many.

[Lacy Mosley]

And how many layers? Look, I watched the session. All that wind, all that shaking. No.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, they're like, blowing people around. You're already at risk of blowing off of this thing at any second.

[Lacy Mosley]

You already got your wind system.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, but we don't need to add an extra source of wind up here.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I'm like, I think there's plenty of wind. Okay. But that's just based on what we can see right. From the drone footage in the air. Like, is there an Oval Office or Lincoln's bedroom in there? There better be a statue of mlk. I know that's not next to the White House, but I just feel like that would be cool to have, you know?

[Zach Cherry]

Well, I wonder how updated this is, cuz they. They might have got rid of some of that stuff.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, they may take MLK down. You know, we're living in trying times, but. Okay, so we don't know what's in there. No one's actually been inside the mansion because the man who commissioned it fled the country before it was finished. Finished. So let's get to the king of good times here. We're talking about vj. Okay, I'm gonna say this last name once. Vj Malia. And so Vijay Malia. This is him. He looks like he's like, got an idea for a mansion on top of an unstable building. Like, look at him. What are these sunglasses about? They look like he was like, he went missing in the 70s. His hair is very luscious. Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

I'm gonna be honest.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's got swag. If someone walks into a room and they're like, look, we want to build the White House. It's gonna be a huge tourist attraction. All the dignitaries are gonna want to go. All the bad bitches are gonna want to go. All the, you know, people who have the ideation are gonna want to go. We're gonna get everybody up there, and I need you to look like this if you're gonna give me this pitch.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes. This is your guy. Absolutely.

[Lacy Mosley]

When they're like, Sky Mansion, he has to come in and, like, there has to be, like, a little fog machine for me. And maybe that dramat.

[Zach Cherry]

That's what that was in the video. I think that just emanates off VJ anywhere he is. You just hear that? You hear that soundtrack?

[Lacy Mosley]

And he commissioned the house after decades of being one of the richest people in India. He was born into wealth and then turned his family's brewing business into a Sprawling conglomerate called the United Breweries Group, which makes King Fisher's beer. Oh, you know that beer?

[Zach Cherry]

I know that beer is a tasty. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. I've never had it, but it looks.

[Zach Cherry]

I. I think it's like the beer in India. But I also have no. I. I have no real reason to believe that other than for some reason that's in my head. So someone will. Correct.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's some good advertisement if they were like, the beer in India. Like, okay.

[Zach Cherry]

But yeah, I've definitely. I've definitely heard of.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they distribute a wide variety of products, including alcohol, chemicals, and more. I mean, I guess those are all kind of in the same vein. Chemicals, alcohol.

[Zach Cherry]

You gotta be careful, though. You don't want to mix up your delivery.

[Lacy Mosley]

We make it all in the same warehouse, all the same factory. Oops.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want my brewery also.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you don't want it in the power plant. You don't want it.

[Zach Cherry]

Hey, I guess if you're gonna conglomerate, that's what you got to do. That's the only way you become a conglomerate.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know how, like, some beers use, like, the freshest, like, water from, like, the Andes. Like, they use the freshest runoff from the power plant?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You be feeling supercharged after that beer.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. It has a unique flavor, and it makes you feel like no other beer you've ever had.

[Lacy Mosley]

It makes you feel like what, a vague description of something that's neither good nor bad. It makes you feel like no other beer you've never had.

[Zach Cherry]

I can promise you this. It will make you feel like no other beer you've ever had.

[Lacy Mosley]

Ooh, let me have some. I want to feel like nothing ever before. I mean, I've never felt death before, but, you know, it could be anything.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, some people, you know, new experience.

[Lacy Mosley]

New experiences. So he also has a stake in India's only formula one car racing team, Force India. At the height of his powers, he called himself the King of Good Times. Okay, I like that. It.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. You kind of have to earn that name, though. I don't know if you can self proclaim that.

[Lacy Mosley]

You can't just self proclaim that you're the king.

[Zach Cherry]

I'm the king of good Times. I'll be the judge of that. My man.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, let me come see how. How good the times are, then we'll decide. So he was calling himself that, though. He was like, I'm. Don't call me. Don't call me vj. Call me King of good times. And we're like, vj's shorter. No, no, no, know. King of good times. Mr. King of Good times to you. So at the height of his, you know, kingdom, he published a swimsuit calendar and hung out with celebrities like Lionel Richie. I love Lionel Richie. My one Lionel Richie story is I used to work in a sushi restaurant that he was like a regular in. And so if we had like regular VIP guests, we would get these things called soanier. And a soigne is like a little chit that they hand you at the host desk or the maitre d' you or whatever. And it says like, what the guests like, what table they're going to be at, what they like, what time they're coming in. And so that you can like, kind of have things preset. And so I would always get Lionel Richie and I would have to put his chopsticks in one of those baby chopstick holders.

[Zach Cherry]

Allegedly, allegedly.

[Lacy Mosley]

I allegedly, allegedly, allegedly lied to. Richie cannot use chopsticks. He was like, you know, I'm from the south, baby. You know, I need my chopsticks. I get it. And I would like take them out. Out. I would put them in the little holders and they would be like on the table ready for him. Like that before he even got there. And he was the sweetest guy and he always tipped really well. And I love Lionel Richie.

[Zach Cherry]

And hey, he's not going for the fork. He's still, he's still like, at least.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he's like a part of it. He's a part of the culture. Okay?

[Zach Cherry]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, and that's why he's classy. That's why he was at King of Mr. Good Times is parties. Okay? Because Lionel. Lionel knows how to. All night long. It. Okay, okay. Robbery.

[Zach Cherry]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Zach Cherry]

I understand.

[Lacy Mosley]

Say it one time.

[Zach Cherry]

Zach, what was Enrique Iglesias up to?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh. Ooh, yes. So Enrique had come 60th birthday party and got a copy of the sexy calendar. Remember that calendar that he made? So Enrique was like, I got to come get this C. No, don't mail it to me. King of good times. I gotta come to India myself as a re.

[Zach Cherry]

It looks like a bigger than average calendar. So I understand you don't want to ship that. You want. You gotta pack that yourself.

[Lacy Mosley]

I know. They're holding it like a big check. Like it just won a big check. Of beautiful baddies. These. Oh my goodness. And so he went and got the calendar right. So VJ surrounded himself with a close group of longtime advisers, wore copious diamonds and held business meetings at his house until five in the morning and winked at female journalists. Now why they put that in there?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't fit the rest of the factory. We're just kidding. I mean, it's certainly interesting to know about him.

[Lacy Mosley]

He was a big winker at the women. I was just always winking at him.

[Zach Cherry]

I mean, he was the king of good times.

[Lacy Mosley]

So just. My producer says it's important. Okay. We got to know. You can't be a king of good times without winking at a lot of female journalists. Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Well, I'll be honest. If we got to the end of this and I didn't know that and then I found out later, I would be a upset that it wasn't included. So I'm glad we. I'm glad we got that out of the way.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm glad we got that. We needed to know was. Was he winking at them or.

[Zach Cherry]

No, I was just about to ask.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's got great eye. Isolation and I love that for us.

[Zach Cherry]

Do we know. Was it just left eye? Was it right? Ey, did it depend.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, just. Do we know was it left? Was he a right winker or a left. I feel like everyone is a left winker.

[Zach Cherry]

I think I'm a right wing winker.

[Lacy Mosley]

Really? Wink. Let's see. Oh, okay. You're very strong right winker. I'm trying to right wink, and it's giving like I got a little, like, something in my ass.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. I can't do the left. Huh.

[Lacy Mosley]

Actually, I can do both.

[Zach Cherry]

Wait, yeah, yeah, You're. You're a ambidextrous winker.

[Lacy Mosley]

You tell people that I. I wink at all my guests are scary.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Regardless of gender. I wink at them all.

[Zach Cherry]

Starting now.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so the five in the morning thing is also bumping me business meetings till 5am like, were y' all on cocaine?

[Zach Cherry]

I would imagine. Yes, I would imagine.

[Lacy Mosley]

If you're the king of good times, you got to have cocaine there. I think.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. The. The King of good times sort of hints at quite a few things, and one of them is cocaine.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I feel like that's not even a hint. It's like if you go to something called the King of good times, it's probably like they walking around with it on a platter next to the sou. Sushi. They're like cocaine. Sushi. Cocaine, yeah. Sushi.

[Zach Cherry]

He. He might have. He might have, like, king of good times.

[Lacy Mosley]

We are in India. Cocaine samosa.

[Zach Cherry]

Well, yes, I guess sushi was. Because we were just talking about Lionel Sushi habits.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Zach Cherry]

But, yeah, my guess is he an alternate nickname for him was like the. The count of cocaine or something. If I had to guess.

[Lacy Mosley]

If I had to guess. Which also sounds good to be the count. Like, got one bump, two bump. Yes.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes, that.

[Lacy Mosley]

I know. I know. You've been like. Like a royal cow.

[Zach Cherry]

That's what I meant.

[Lacy Mosley]

But I'm childish.

[Zach Cherry]

No, that's what I meant. Well, this is a podcast for babies now, so.

[Lacy Mosley]

It is a podcast for babies. So we have to appeal to our audience. And they haven't gotten. Yeah, they haven't gotten into their historical studies yet. Okay. But they might know about the count. So we got to. We got to pet. We got to pander a little bit to my new baby audience. I'm really excited for this disguise. So in other goos and Gagas in 2007, a profile noted a Mercedes, a Ferrari, and a Bentley parked in his driveway. And ornate living rooms filled with silver gilded furniture and art objects. Like a marble statue with a nymph, like, woman. Plus a Picasso sketch for class.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

This is all classy, and I'm like, wondering why he didn't do gold gilded. But there's a lot of gold in India, so maybe was like, I'mma be different and I'mma give the girls silver plated.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, maybe he's trying to mix it up. I, I, so far, this all sounds like pretty standard rich guy stuff to me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I'm, yeah. So a group of largely silent young women clad in white, delivered drinks to guests, answered phones, and cleaned up ashtrays.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay, now, now it's getting a little troubling.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't know why they got to be so quiet. Why you got them working like Target employees? Why can't they talk?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. O yeah, Mostly silent. I'm, I'm starting to have questions about the king of good times. Good times for who?

[Lacy Mosley]

He said good times is when women don't talk. You know, when be talking, it's not a good time. I don't know. So in India, BJ Became a symbol of both the successes and excesses of Indian business following the country's deregulation in the early 1990s. But eventually he became the target of the authorities, partly because his public displays of wealth came at the same time that his passion project, King Fisher Airlines, was taking a nose dive. Okay, I hope the pun is intended, cuz I hope King Fisher wasn't really diving like going down.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, hopefully that was just metaphorical.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. But we're about to see.

[Zach Cherry]

This guy has too many ideas. Ideas. I'm, I'm now willing to say he's trying to do too much.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, he's a very rich man. He's got to have lots of. He's staying up till five in the morning, having business meetings. Like, I feel like you gotta have too many ideas at that point.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Otherwise why we up at 5 and.

[Zach Cherry]

That I, the cocaine might have something to do with how many ideas he has as well. This alleged cocaine. We haven't, no one mentioned. We know he winks. We don't know if he snorts.

[Lacy Mosley]

We don't, we don't. We do not know that. So Kingfisher Airlines, when it was launched in 2005, Kingfisher Airlines was initially modeled on the lowcost American carrier Jet Blue with all economy seats on the plane. That included Seatback TVs, which was new for domestic flights in India. So I, I think that's given quality. We, we're traveling, it's economy, but we also get to watch a little tv because sometimes when you're traveling and there's no tv, it's really torturesome. Like, have you ever flown to Hawaii, like from L. A?

[Zach Cherry]

I have not, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

That sounds so la of me to say. But for those of you who have, you know, most of them damn planes do not have no TV or WI fi on them. And it's a five hour flight.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, that's.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was in the first class and I was like, babes, it's giving spirit.

[Zach Cherry]

Did you read a book?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I tried to close my eyes. I stared the first time. I didn't know that was going to be the case. So I just kind of stared, you know, and closed my eyes and tried to sleep. But it was. It was upsetting because I was like, okay, well, I should have just paid for a coach ticket on this flight because, babes, I. I wanted entertainment. I wanted food. At least if I had flown Spirit somewhere, like, the entertainment is on the flight. You know, the passengers are boxing with. With the flight attendants. Yeah, like, we're getting entertainment.

[Zach Cherry]

Could have saved money and had a show.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exactly. A live show. That's theater. Spirit is giving you theater. They were like, you don't need TVs in the back of your seat. Okay, we, We. We got an intermission. We got everything you need. Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

Yes, yes, we will. We will. You won't be bored.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it's like y' all saw Wicked. We do that here. It's. It's live action. I'mma punch somebody and they gonna be like. Like, don't even worry about it.

[Zach Cherry]

I'm going to have to book a spirit flight now because just the possibility of that happening.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right, listen, you got to book it for the plot, just for the bit at least once, but get there early because they pull off like the Greyhound, because that happened to me once. And they just be leaving. They just be leaving. They don't care about what time the flight was supposed to.

[Zach Cherry]

The show must go on, you know?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, exactly. They said five minutes to curtain.

[Zach Cherry]

Exactly.

[Lacy Mosley]

In the airport. They. They're not gonna tell you that. And so you got to get on there. So the airline became known. This is back to Kingfisher. The airline became known for its saucy flight attendance, luxury service, and the slogan Fly. Guess the last three words of this three words.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay. Fly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Based on, well, everything we know about.

[Zach Cherry]

Oh, fly for good times.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yes. You're almost there. That was almost perfect. Zach. Fly the good times.

[Zach Cherry]

Hey.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow, you were right there.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, we're on the same page.

[Lacy Mosley]

Were you at those 5am Business meetings?

[Zach Cherry]

No comment.

[Lacy Mosley]

So VJ appeared in person on inflight safety videos to make a welcome speech. So he didn't even let the girls do the welcome speech on board. He was. Was like, I'mma do it and let's. Let's see some of it. I love him. Let's see some of it.

[Zach Cherry]

This guy is hilarious. The day we've started flying, I've tried to create the finest experience for you and bring back the element of style in travel. This Airbus aircraft is equipped with several unique features which I hope you will enjoy. Food has always been my passion. And drinks. I just, I invite you to savor our fine range of subtles. A choice of gourmet cuisine as I encourage the finest chefs to create.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, this looks like some good airplane food.

[Zach Cherry]

It does. And you know, they have good drinks.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love the outfit too. We can stop it right there. Oh, wow. He was like, I. First of all, y' all need to know that this is me. Like, I got the finest of foods. And obviously I know everything about drinks because Kingfisher beer. I got flight attendants who gonna put a blanket on your baby. You don't even gotta put a blanket on your baby.

[Zach Cherry]

You don't have to wear shoes. There was some bare feet in that video.

[Lacy Mosley]

There was a lot of bear like little kid feet. Like, okay, yeah, it's a choice.

[Zach Cherry]

But that, I mean, that doesn't scream luxury to me. But hey, I'm not the king of good times.

[Lacy Mosley]

I never think I know that when you're on a plane, like if you're at least in first, like you will like take your shoes off if you lay down your bed, you know, you might take. And they give you slippers, though. They give you slippers, they give you socks. So I'm like, he put too much raw toe in there for me. I feel like they should have been in socks. Like they got Kingfisher socks and Kingfisher little slippers. You're right about that.

[Zach Cherry]

That's a branding opportunity that he missed out on. You could have had the Kingfisher socks. I'm also only just now after seeing this video, realized, realizing that Kingfisher is this. This would be like having a Budweiser.

[Lacy Mosley]

Airlines, like, oh my God, you know, oh my goodness.

[Zach Cherry]

You don't want an alcohol brand airline.

[Lacy Mosley]

What are you flying today? I'm flying that four Loco Air.

[Zach Cherry]

Exactly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like a lot of turbulence on four Loco Air.

[Zach Cherry]

You don't wait want that.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's just said Corona Air. Corona Air. Kind of sound like it could be lit for local air. Sound bad?

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. If I had to choose of the alcohol Corona Air. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I would choose Gray Goose air. Cuz it's also a goose already, you know, so now we geese with the goose. Yeah, that, that makes sense to me. But you're right, it's like Budweiser Air or like, Miller Light Air.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, you don't want to be V.

[Lacy Mosley]

On Live the High Life. Oh, that one works.

[Zach Cherry]

It. It does it. That actually works better than Fly the Good Times.

[Lacy Mosley]

It does. Live the high life. With a high life. Okay. I feel like that's what. Like, if we keep going with how. No, no, Jess just put in Pat's Blue Ribbon Air. No, I don't want to be with a bunch of rednecks going to January 6th. That's. Who's flying Pat's Blue Ribbon.

[Zach Cherry]

That's. Yeah, they. They only fly one place and only once.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you know, the background music. Today's safety video is like. And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free. Like, no, no, Zach, this is a devastating observation. I. I ain't getting on no Beer Air. Not beer air.

[Zach Cherry]

Seeing it and hearing him talk about the drinks made it click for me. And I was like, oh, yeah, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm gagged. Oh, Zach, that killed me. Oh, no, you're so right.

[Zach Cherry]

He didn't even change it. Like, he could have called it, like, King Fish Air or something. He could have changed up a little bit. No, King's Air kept it with the full on beer brand name, literally.

[Lacy Mosley]

He might as well put the beer bottle on the side of the plane. He was like, no, it's going to be an advertisement. I think he was going for, you know, like, Virgin America. Like, they have Virgin other things, but Virgin is broad enough that it can be a brand for everything. I don't want Kingfisher chemicals next to my Kingfisher beard on my King Fisher Airpl. Are they gassing up the plane with Kingfisher chemicals?

[Zach Cherry]

See, yeah. These are the questions that are raised when you name your airline the same thing as your. As your other conglomerations.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm going to stand by allegedly cocaine, 5am business meetings because somebody was like.

[Zach Cherry]

And then it would explain a lot.

[Lacy Mosley]

We keep the brand strong. Hear me out. We name it after Kingfisher Beer. Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

People love the beer. They already know the plane. They already know that they're going to love the beer. They're going to love the plane.

[Zach Cherry]

People like beer. People drink when they're in the air.

[Lacy Mosley]

It makes sense. It all makes sense. Oh, yes, it all makes sense. Like, they're all, like, agreeing and then like, yeah, yeah, call the lawyers. Like, oh, my goodness.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. This may. This may have led to why he can't be back in the country.

[Lacy Mosley]

So, you know, we. We. We listened to his Video. And we'll post the video on Instagram so you can see it. In addition to standard safety and evacuation instructions, Kingfisher flight attendants received voice training and elocution lessons. These are my Fair Ladies of the air. And they were also t. To do their own makeup and hair.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

So they had to get in full glam. And he was like, we're going to teach you how. And look, all their makeup and hair looks the same almost.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. Yeah. This checks out from what we know of this man.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, right. Because he had all the ladies in the white who had to be quiet.

[Zach Cherry]

But these ladies had to learn how to elocute. So he's.

[Lacy Mosley]

They got to talk.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, he's changed his stance on that.

[Lacy Mosley]

On the plane, they get to talk. Because you know what? It would freak me out if I had a flight attendant who would refuse to speak week. I'd be like, what's. Are we going down? What's. What's wrong?

[Zach Cherry]

That would be the most. If there was an airline whose thing was silent flight attendants, that would be the most unsettling way to fly imaginable.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, but what if there's just, like, risks? Just risks you don't know about. But it's a great ticket and a great flight, and you can put your bare toes wherever you want.

[Zach Cherry]

I need to hear. I need to hear. Hear them. I just need to hear them. For me personally, I need.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's doing the whole safety video himself. Do you need to hear them?

[Zach Cherry]

Yep, I need to hear them. I need to hear them at least say, like, you know, hi or something. I just can't. I can't.

[Lacy Mosley]

So VJ quickly added a lavish business class to Kingfisher, which we saw in that video. Roomy seats came with champagne glasses filled with cider. Since India forbids alcohol on domestic flights, the airline was his pet project. He picked the inflight napkins himself. Like, that's how involved he was. He was like, I got a. From the makeup and the hair to the elocution to the napkin, I'mma do it all. Also, India not doing, like, allowing alcohol and domestic flights. As much as I know the girls love their drinks in the domestic flights in America, I don't know. We might have to. After post 2020, people be getting crazy.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, it might be a good idea to do that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Except for on Spirit. I want them plied with alcohol on Spirit because that's a part of the show.

[Zach Cherry]

That would be. That would be a really, really fun. You'd have to. You'd have to make your choice. Do I, do I drink or do I fly? Spirit and, and be. Yeah, I'm, I'm on board with that. Only on spirit. Spirits on spirit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Spirits should lobby for that, but have themselves as a loophole. So wait, what is just saying right here? She said a comedian once said they let the bus people into the sky. Yeah. That was Jadelle James who said that spirit let's. They're letting bus people in the sky now. Yeah. In general, on all the planes. And that's why everything is crazy. So shout out to Janelle. Kingfisher airline was already losing money on its luxury services. And things worsened when it expanded internationally, taking advantage of lenient lending prices practices. So VJ convinced lenders to restructure the airline's debt. By 2012, King Fisher stopped flying and declared bankruptcy. So he, he took it span. He took advantage of like, leniency when it came to lending practices. And Honestly, in the 90s, everything was like deregulated at this time. We saw that in America as well. Like, as much as we want to blame George, but George W. Bush for the 2008 housing crisis. Clinton had a little bit to do with that as well, because he was the one who deregulated like the banks. And then that's when they started getting, you know, putting the houses on the stock market and everybody was getting. You get a home, you get a home, and now you can't pay for your home. And we take it home. We take it home. We take it home. Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

Prime time for scamming.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, it really was. Wow, what a heyday. You know, you had Bernie Madoff back then, like the girls were. Oh, legends. What a time. Yeah, what a time to be a scam. So King Fisher owed at least 1.4 billion in loans. But, but much of it was to state controlled banks as well as back pay to former employees who had been working without getting paid for months. I'm sorry, you're not getting me into the sky without a check. That's, that's a mandatory part of sky.

[Zach Cherry]

Work, especially if I, I have to do my hair and makeup and, and you know, the rain mainly on the plane. Yeah, I'm, I'm getting paid for that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Nah, you playing. So. And also, I don't want to get on a plane where people not getting paid. I don't. That's not a plane I want to be on.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, 100%.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's why I was like in full support of the pilot strikes and the, and you know, the steward strike or not stewards flight attendant strikes. Because I'm like, I don't want to be on a plane with people who are not getting paid.

[Zach Cherry]

No, you want them to be happy to be there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. This is like, I don't want to go to a hospital. Everybody. Like, I am overworked and underpaid. I'm like, you, you cut my heart today, sir. Mouth.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. This isn't a cava, you know, I want, I want you to, to be happy to be here.

[Lacy Mosley]

So because BJ and his United Breweries holdings backed some of the loans, creditors began pressing them for repayment. So the runaway Baron VJ fled India for the UK in 2016amidst mounting debts. Excee 1 billion owed to 17 Indian banks and charges of fraud. His personal White house in the sky was still under construction at the time. A deeply in debt, big time businessman running from his crimes. Who wants to live in the White House in 2016.

[Zach Cherry]

Interesting timing.

[Lacy Mosley]

Interesting. I've never heard of that before. A man who wants to guild things and precious metals who has a lot of ideas. A lot of ideas. Who is on stimulants. Never. That's a new one.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Huh huh. Curious. India cancelled his passport after he fled the country. And a court in Mumbai issued a warrant for his arrest. India sent Britain on an official request for BJ's extradition in 2017, but he's still there to this day.

[Zach Cherry]

Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

Claiming both that he has been unfairly targeted as a crooked businessman and that he has actually repaid the debt that he owes. Unfairly targeted as a businessman.

[Zach Cherry]

I don't know if you can really claim both can be like, they made it up. And also I already paid them back.

[Lacy Mosley]

They lying. And also I paid them and they lying saying. But I'm just saying, I don't know. Gilded, gilded homes. Stimulants. Really wants to live in the White House. Targeted innocent debts.

[Zach Cherry]

Mounting debts.

[Lacy Mosley]

Mounting. Avoiding prosecution. It's giving VJ red the art of the deal. Right? It's giving. VJ was tuned in to Fox and was like writing everything down and taking notes.

[Zach Cherry]

I will say about vj, it's always got a Twitter. It seems like he, he really did just want to make a quality airline.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he was picking out napkins. I think he actually really wanted this to work.

[Zach Cherry]

I don't think he went in thinking, I'm gonna get all this money and flee the country. I think he thought, I'm gonna make the best damn drunk ass airline you've ever seen. And then he got out ahead of himself.

[Lacy Mosley]

Everyone's gonna Fly beer. I. I believe. I believe you on that. I. I think our man. Who. I'm not gonna say our man. He's not my man. But the guy who runs our country, I don't think he ever intended to different situation. Anything. Well, he was never picking out a napkin.

[Zach Cherry]

No. You know, VJ was boots on the ground. BJ was filming videos.

[Lacy Mosley]

M. And so in his Twitter profile, he calls himself a targeted victim of the Indian government. He said, I'm a victim.

[Zach Cherry]

That's his new nickname. He went from the king of good times to the targeted victim of the Indian government.

[Lacy Mosley]

Not.

[Zach Cherry]

It doesn't have the same ring to it. Vj.

[Lacy Mosley]

Vj. It's not hitting like the king of good times. And, like, I need to see some of these tweets. What he be tweeting about? Can we zoom in in here, Jess? I'm trying to see, too. I'm like, okay. So he said, eid mu and Barack, my friends. Yes. Okay. Okay. I like that. Reaching out to the Muslim community. He's like, oh, congrats. He's, like, talking about soccer.

[Zach Cherry]

Cricket.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, cricket. My bad. My bad. Oh, he's retweeting stuff about himself.

[Zach Cherry]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

He retweeted his own tweet that went into the Indian Herald, and he was like, beyond the headlines. VJ criticism still justified. Question mark. That was on March 23rd. So he's trying to rehabilitate that image. She was like, is this still justified? Because it's been a long time, so y' all should have forgotten.

[Zach Cherry]

Can I come back?

[Lacy Mosley]

He's like, it's been nine years. Can I come back? Can we just consider me going to jail, me being in the UK and then I come back.

[Zach Cherry]

You shouldn't just arrange a house arrest at his White House. Make a deal. Make a deal and go stay in the White House.

[Lacy Mosley]

He would go up there kicking and screaming. I know that man don't want to be in that house. Nobody wants to be in that house. House. Oh, my gosh. He's like, happy. Okay. He's wishing everybody all the holidays. Happy Christmas. I love a happy Christmas. And best wishes for the new year. Oh. Government. And my many critics say that I have CBI criminal cases to answer. What criminal cases filed by CBI question mark. With a weird space. Never borrowed a single ring. Rupee. Never stole. But as guarantor of the KFK debt, I am accused by CBI together with many others, including IDBI bank official. Okay, see, this is too many people accusing you in this. In this one, like, I see you paying for Twitter?

[Zach Cherry]

He had. He had to get the long tweets to get off all his.

[Lacy Mosley]

To get all of his accusers in one tweet. And everybody got acronyms. Like, that's too many acronyms coming from for you.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, you never want to see that many acronyms uniting against you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Against you. No, you don't. You barely want one. You definitely don't want this many. To where you got to buy extra characters on Twitter to be like, let. I can't fit all my acronyms in here. Let me just pay. Elon, hold on.

[Zach Cherry]

I thought you already told us you already paid it back. Vj and now you're saying you never borrowed a single rupee, so you know, you got to stick to one.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think. I think VJ is separating himself from King Fisher.

[Zach Cherry]

I see. He's saying that's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Hey, he's like, I never brought a single rupee. Now beer in the sky.

[Zach Cherry]

You want to arrest the airline, not me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, get them. Get all them women in the matching hair and makeup and the red outfits. Cuz they did it.

[Zach Cherry]

Yep.

[Lacy Mosley]

See, this is why I don't let women. Women talk. Okay. Yeah. Cuz we. We were doing just fine until the women started talking. I gave him elocution lessons, and all of a sudden I'm being prosecuted. You see how we went from elocution to prosecution? That's why I don't let women talk.

[Zach Cherry]

That's.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's tough for V. So fugitive economic offender. In 2019, a special court in Mumbai declared the runaway beer baron the first fugitive, like economic offender. Cuz he was taking the economy. Economy down. That's big to be a fugitive economic offender. We need to get that on. We need to get on board with that in the U.S. because we got some fugitive. They're not running yet. But. But they. We got some economic offenders.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, we kind of just let them hang out.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, we let them hang out too.

[Zach Cherry]

Much and then sometimes they go live in the White House.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, they go back to live in the White House again, and then they bring more fugitive economic offenders with them.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, we should. We should definitely be going the. What were some of those acronyms? We need to get them over here.

[Lacy Mosley]

We need more acronyms over here to fight. Okay. We don't have enough. And they're trying to dismantle all our acronyms as it is. So we.

[Zach Cherry]

That's right. We need the cbi, the idbi.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's why they trying to get rid of the USAID and the IR and the S. Because they're trying to get rid of all the acronyms that stand against system. The E and the P and the A. We already got rid of the H, the W and the H and the O. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, we got. We're getting rid of the N of the A and the T and the O. All the acronyms that could help us. They getting rid of them.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like BJ and our orange man know each other because this feels like Yalls passing notes, y' all exchanging like, how else would you know how.

[Zach Cherry]

To build the white? You know, he had to get the plans for from somewhere.

[Lacy Mosley]

And who would give him the schematics other than our guy? Yes. You can even know where all the secret passages are. I'll tell you everything. You're going to know everything. It's going to be so good. Vj. Good Lord.

[Zach Cherry]

Was that an audio recording?

[Lacy Mosley]

It was. It was. That was not me. So they have this New Economic Offenders act, right? Fugitive Economic Offenders Act.

[Zach Cherry]

Make a whole act for him.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, he. Yes. He got. They were like, we need another acronym. He doesn't have enough on Twitter. We need to add more. And it came into effect July 2018. Meanwhile, his Sky Mansion in India remains unoccupied, suspended 400ft above the ground, despite its vacancy. Onlookers often marvel at its grandeur, appreciating its lush gardens and captivating infinity pool. I can't imagine there's a pool boy going up there. So it's just the pool got water when it rains.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. And I don't think onlookers are going to be really able to see that from 400ft down.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I don't know how they on looking because how y' all on looking, but.

[Zach Cherry]

It sounds like he should put it on Airbnb. Then he could knock out some of these debts for sure.

[Lacy Mosley]

Because every influencer is going to want to stay in the Sky Mansion, and then we will hear about them dying.

[Zach Cherry]

But, yeah, he's 100% true. It would be coming immediate. Immediate on Tik Tok.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Guys, we're swimming in the Sky Mansion today.

[Zach Cherry]

They have their wingsuits on, so they're fine. It's just scary.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I don't think he installed those. Zach, you were supposed to do that. You were at the business meetings till 5am and you brought up wingsuits and no one wrote it down. And you didn't write it down. And so I thought think like, hey.

[Zach Cherry]

Look, I never borrowed one rupee. I never. Don't come for me. I'M I am being falsely tagged with this.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's giving. You didn't borrow one rupee. You borrowed a billion rupees. I. The way you worded that was strange.

[Zach Cherry]

No comment.

[Lacy Mosley]

You said I never borrowed one rupee. Like. But if that could be open to interpretation to you, you borrow two or more rupees.

[Zach Cherry]

I. I'm not saying anything about more than one rupee. But I didn't borrow one rupee. You will find no transactions where I borrowed one rupee. That is my promise.

[Lacy Mosley]

I never did that. As my. On my mama. I never borrowed one Ruby. So Vijay's vacant white house in the clouds is not actually the most lavish home in India. Which is probably the saddest part of the whole story. To. To him, that title belongs to a 27 story house built for one family 600 miles to the north of Mumbai. Yeah, 27 stories.

[Zach Cherry]

That is sad.

[Lacy Mosley]

How it better be our whole like first cousin, second cousins twice removed, third, thrice removed. You know, like we gotta have the whole whole family in this place. Cuz if it's just five of us then I'm like, they're like dinner. I'm like, like what?

[Zach Cherry]

And now I'm off.22. Yeah. You'd have to get some sort of PA system involved if it's only.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, and then it's gotta wait till everybody gets on their elevators to converge in one place. This place is huge. It doesn't look like a house. It looks precarious as well. It's kind of leaning a little bit experimental. Just said walkie talkies like we're having dinner. What's your 20 over? Oh, the building looks like it's leaning a little bit to me.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, I. I don't like it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Also I don't like the shape. Like this is not a house. Y' all build a corporate space. Like y' all can't call that a house just cuz y' all live in it.

[Zach Cherry]

I agree.

[Lacy Mosley]

They was like, it's my house and I live here. I'm like, that's Sears Tower. Like what do you mean that's not a house.

[Zach Cherry]

That's a structure.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's a structure.

[Zach Cherry]

That's a building.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Antilia is the home of billionaire businessman Mukesh Ambani. So he's the richest person in Asia and his whole family. Ambani is how you should say that. Mukesh Ambani. And I did not need a request, a correction. I want to put that in here. I remembered how to say it. So at 1 billion to build with helipads, 600 staff, and a 50, 50 seat cinema, it is the most expensive residence in the world. It's only a two hour flight from Vijay's house in Bangalore. But you can't get there on Kingfisher Airlines because they no longer exist.

[Zach Cherry]

That's gotta eat VJ up inside. He would have flown direct to there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. When we get closer to it, it's starting to look more homey.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, it looks pretty, pretty nice now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, you know, like the, the structure underneath, it's got this kind of warm brown. We're seeing marble, we're seeing gold. Cuz from afar, it just looked like a gray skyscraper.

[Zach Cherry]

And I was like, Like Avengers Tower.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Zach Cherry]

Up close. Yeah, it's.

[Lacy Mosley]

I. I like that also, like, Mr. Ambani, I'm trying to come over to the functions. I know y' all be having functions over there. Like, I want to come.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah. I. Hey, I've said for a long time that you are the king of good times.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you. And not queen. I want to be the king of good times. No one above me. Okay.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

The sorcerer of good times.

[Zach Cherry]

So where's the invite, Mr. Ambani?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. The goddess of good times.

[Zach Cherry]

That's right. The goddess of good times is ready. Is. Is ready to come over.

[Lacy Mosley]

So, yes, I'm ready for a 5am business meeting. I'll skip the cocaine, but I will put in my ideas. Oh, my goodness. Wow. How do you feel about this guy, bj? Is he. Is he a huge villain? He did crash an economy. Would you have to think about that?

[Zach Cherry]

Obviously not great.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not great when you crash an economy.

[Zach Cherry]

That's. You never want to do that.

[Lacy Mosley]

But that's what I always say is don't crash an economy.

[Zach Cherry]

You know, that's my only goal. That's my only bucket list item is don't crash an economy.

[Lacy Mosley]

He also kind of scammed us with this photo because he don't look like this photo in no other picture.

[Zach Cherry]

That's true. He. He. In that picture, he looks very confident, a little mysterious. In the video, He. He did not. He didn't come across this way.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's wearing like an oversized suit. Yeah, he looks very like. It does. Doesn't hang well. Oh, oversized suits that don't hang.

[Zach Cherry]

Sort of leaning forward a little bit.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's leaning forward a little bit. Where have I seen that before?

[Zach Cherry]

Interesting. You know, I do still. I do still think it. To me, it doesn't sound like it was a scam from the start. It sounds like he was a Businessman who started straying from the family business of alcohol and chemicals and he didn't really know what to do with himself. So, you know, I don't think total villain, but I think, I think you fucked up my guy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And also like doing shady lending situations when you know your business is like belly up. You could have just filed for bankruptcy then. But I think he didn't want to file for failure. I don't think he's not going to do that until he had ran it up enough. But also like vj, I don't agree with you. Not playing paying people who are employed in the same.

[Zach Cherry]

That's right. I forgot about that. I did forget about that.

[Lacy Mosley]

If I work at 35,000ft, baby, that check better clear every time. Clear. Okay. Are we not clear for takeoff? We not clear for landing? If my check don't clear first, you.

[Zach Cherry]

Better rub those paddles together because that, that check has got to clear.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. I've been watching the pit.

[Zach Cherry]

I would have guessed that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much, Zach, for coming on the show. You are such a delight. You killed me. Oh, my goodness.

[Zach Cherry]

Thank you for having me. Having me on. I. I wasn't early. I've been in the pews. I've been. I've been. I haven't been, you know, much like VJs women in white, I've been mostly silent, but I. But I have been in the pews of the congregation. But it's. It's exciting.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm so sorry. We told you to be where white and be mostly silent. That was my mistake.

[Zach Cherry]

Yeah, but it's nice to be up on the pulpit for a little bit as.

[Lacy Mosley]

And that's where you belong. You was really preaching today. And I appreciate that. Everyone will. And we, we always ask, where would you like to be found? Anything you'd like people to watch? We know you booked busy. All the shows, all the things, your social media, all of those good things.

[Zach Cherry]

Check out Severance season two. That's. That's where I would love to be found.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. What a little known show. How will people ever find it?

[Zach Cherry]

I mean, you asked where I want to be found. The other places. Leave me alone.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I. I'm not critiquing it. That was a compliment. Oh, my gosh, Zach, he's like, y' all check me out on one of the biggest shows on one of the biggest networks. Yes, but they should. They should. Severance is amazing and we know that.

[Zach Cherry]

Take a look.

[Lacy Mosley]

And so are you. So. Yes, take a look. That's the only place you want to.

[Zach Cherry]

Be found right now?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he said only find me at severance. Okay, well, y' all find me at D I V A L A C I D valacy on all platforms. You can see all of these great photos of bj, his mansions, his. His beautiful beer planes at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. You can chat with me on Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. And you can buy my book Scam Goddess anywhere that books are sold. It's half memoir, half me telling you my favorite scam stories and lots of great advice that I don't take all the time. And you can watch Scam Goddess, the television show streaming now, all episodes on Hulu. You can also watch Going Dutch from Fox with Dennis Leary, where I play a character named Conway. Curious how'd that happen? Also streaming on Hulu. Congregation. I want y' all to get out there and be the king queen non bear, binary deity of good times.

[Zach Cherry]

Amen.

[Lacy Mosley]

Amen. A scam. Got it. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam got us stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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[Lacy Mosley]

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