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Okay, mom, for my dorm, I'm thinking Coquette meets Poet Core. That sounds like a vibe. What do you need and where do we get it? Target. I already have everything on my mood board. A comforter, pillows, and a super cute floral lamp. So you probably need a rug to tie it all together. Omg. They have the perfect CMPC rug. Cmpc. Coquette meets Poet Core. Oh, okay. In that case, let's rtt. Yeah, let's run to Target. You're getting it. Find your dorm, inspiration and everything you need at Target. Early birds always rise to the occasion for summer vacation planning because early gets you closer to the action. So don't be late. Book your next vacation early on VRBO and save over $120. Rise and shine. Average savings, $141. Select homes only. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite epis, the Paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall, and as always, stay scheming.
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Scams,
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robbery and fraud. Scam. Cause Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's up, congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess back for another installment of. Yes. Scam Goddess. I named the show after me. I'm Lacy Mosley, and I'm so excited to have our amazing guest here. He is bi, coastal, and thank goodness, was here filming his new Netflix show that he's also producing with his comedy group, Astronomy Club. Astronomy Club on Netflix, y'.
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All.
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He's also one of the three amazing hosts of Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood, which is one of my favorite podcasts, which I. And it was so fun. Everybody. Jonathan Braylock.
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What's up? Yeah. Yeah.
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Hey, how you doing? Oh, I love that. I love the extra.
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I had to come in hot, and
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I need it, and I truly need it. Truly. The people who listen to this, our congregation, they're always like, you guys are really wired. Why are you yelling directly into the microphone? Just turn your sound down.
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Just turn it down. Just turn. You know what it is?
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Already you're playing with me.
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You've been listening to this for a while now, right? You know, you gotta turn this down when you start listening to it.
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You know, I'm gonna be raggedy. Deal with it. Oh, gosh. So wait, John, what's your relationship with Scams?
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Oh, man, I was trying. I was thinking about this on the way over here. I Was like. Because here's the thing. I'm definitely a person who makes sure I'm not getting scammed. You know what I mean?
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Like, I'm on the lookout, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah. So that's a home for a lot of scams.
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Yes, I have. Yes. I was. I was born in New York. I. I grew up there. I also grew up in Jersey and then went back and, like, I was like, you know, I'm always looking for the scams. I don't think I scam people, but I definitely look for shortcuts sometimes. You know what I mean?
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Look for shortcuts. Put a rebrand. Look, I'm not necessarily breaking the law. I'm just looking for a shortcut around the law.
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Listen, you know, I like, you know, it's in the bylaws or something. You know, if it's not there in black and white, you know, maybe there's a way to skirt around it. And I'm like, hey, you know what I mean?
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You sound like a scammer, John.
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Those are the.
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Those are the words.
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I don't cheat people out of money.
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Okay?
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Yeah, I don't do that. That's what I don't do.
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Yeah, I don't do that either. Yeah, maybe the. But everyone else. No, no, just kidding. Government. I know you're listening. I'm paying y' all every penny that you deserve. I hope you know, okay? And happily. Don't Lauren Hill me.
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Truly, the richest people in America are scamming the government constantly.
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Constantly. It's so deeply unfair.
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Let's be real about it.
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It's the middle class who's actually out here doing the work. But there are billionaires. Like, your money is in some fucking island. Oh, yeah, like, you fucking assholes.
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When you get a little. When you get some money and you, like, if you have your own business or you become like an S corp, like a lot of us people have to do in the entertainment business. You realize how much of a scam it all is? It's like you can just start writing things off, like, left and right.
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Everything. Everything. You write off every single thing.
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Everything that you were using before, but you ain't getting no tax return for that. Listen, it's like, oh, all of a sudden my cell phone bill is a business expense?
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Oh, yeah, it is. And these earrings and this gym membership and these.
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Netflix. My Netflix subscription. All of it.
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Everything. I. The only thing that I'm a little mad about right now, and I'm probably gonna leave my accountant is that he's like, not like I feel like he's lazy as fuck. Like, not only is he not getting me returns on shit, like, he told me when I went to Georgia to shoot my show that they were gonna take 6% of my income. 6%?
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Okay.
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My lawyers get 5, right? Georgia's taking 6.
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Okay.
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Yeah, bro, I'm like, y' all ain't even help me with this shit for y' all taking 6%? Y' all better do some paperwork or something. Bitch, you better come out here and put on a motherfucking swimsuit. Georgia, Florida girls.
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The funniest thing about that is 6% is low compared to what some states try to take from you, like New York City. But I don't live in Georgia, so
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it's like Cali getting theirs. Georg gonna pull up to the function.
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Callie should be getting it. Really? If you're working. You know what I mean?
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You're not even working.
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I don't even understand.
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Well, so I was talking to him about it, and I was like, yeah, so what can we do about this? And he said, what you mean, what can we do? You gonna pay it? I said, nick, what? I gotta get rid of your ass. The fuck? I want a better Call Saul. Ass lawyer. Are you fucking kidding me? I want you in cheap shoes, cheap suits. I want you constantly sweating.
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Okay? That's right.
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I need to know I'm getting the best stretch of the law.
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Tax accountants should always be looking at ways to scam the government.
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Literally.
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That's what we pay you for.
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I was like, this is lazy as fuck. I can go just pay them what I. Ow. That's not why I called you.
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Honestly, sometimes I. Like, with the first tax account I had, we had it for black. Well, maybe I shouldn't say this, but anyway, I won't put anybody on black. You had it?
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Yeah.
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You had it. We had it, you know, for business. And I was just like, so scammed. What is this person doing for us at all? Cause I'm doing all the work. I'm plugging in all the expenses. I'm doing all the write offs. And then I just give it to this person. They're like, great. And then they send it in. I was like, wait, what I just pay you for?
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That'll be $1,800.
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I was like, wait, what did I pay you for? He's like, I emailed it to him. I'm like, n. I can do that with TurboTax.
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Like, right? I was like, I'm going back to the block. Wait, fuck this. I'm about to be at H and R Block. Like, all right, y', all, this my llc. This my Tammy. Tammy, Is that your name? What do you do for the non tax months? Oh, okay, you work at a craft store. Wonderful. Now get down on these tattoos. Cause I'm sick of this shit. Oh, man.
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Also, full transparency. My wife is the spokesperson for H and R Block.
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Hell yeah. See? And I love them. I would also like to be the spokesperson.
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Y' all hear that?
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I'm trying to get everybody texts lit. All right, let's get into it. So the first segment of this show is called what's Hot? And Fraud. So we like to prevent our congregation from getting scammed unless it's by me. If it's a scam that I'm offering, I fully need everyone to participate. You will have a good time.
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Right? Right.
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You know that's right.
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We don't cheat people. We don't cheat people, but we get the money.
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Yeah, exactly. You see, Jonathan came in here trying to be all coy. I thought about this on my way over. You're like, hmm, scam something I'm not familiar with. Never, never done it. He is a full blown scammer. Full blown. I'm calling it. So we also have people sending little messages. Guys, if you've retired a scam or scam's been run on you and you want to share to our podcast audience, please scamgoddessmail.com and today we have a listener who wrote.
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Mm.
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I never say the listeners names, but you'll know who you are. I'm gonna call you Shandy.
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Okay, Shandy.
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All right. So what did you say? Shandy. So she says. When I was a little girl, we didn't have a lot of money growing up, so my parents couldn't afford to send me to fancy dance classes. But I was able to join the dance team at my church for free. Hallelu. We were called Daughters of Zion.
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Okay, I know all about it.
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Come on.
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Daughters of Zion. I know all about that.
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Wait, what do you know about that?
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Not that I know specifically about Daughters of Zion, but I know about the church lingo. I'll just say that.
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Wait, how do you know?
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We were deep in it. You were deep in it? Oh, yeah, I was deep in it.
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Did you do any performances at church?
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I was. Since I was in fifth grade, I was acting in the church, doing. And I. I went to Times Square Church, which is a. I mean, I don't. They don't call themselves a megachurch. They don't have other Locations. But there's about 8,000 people that go to that church.
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Okay. So it's a pretty large party.
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So it's a really large. And it. They actually, the church is inside what used to be a Broadway theater, so it's like, a full Broadway theater.
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Oh, wow. So you're getting that experience. There's a church out here like, that that's in, like, an old performance place. It had, like, old time Greek kind of pictures of, like, painted on the walls.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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So they never. Instead of just painting the walls of the church, they had somebody put clothes on the people. Like, they hung drapery and, like, stapled it over the naked bodies. I was like, oh, shit. And that church is a mega church, right? I was like, if y' all don't paint these damn walls with this money I done gave y'. All. I'm waiting. I go in there every week. Like, where is my. Where my benevolence go? Cause it didn't go to Sherman Williams like I asked it to.
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Wow.
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So wait. But I actually know a little bit. Cause draw told are, like, big on the church.
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Yes. I mean, I had a whole faith journey that happened, and I'm not. I've learned to separate Christian culture from, like, the principles of Christianity that I respect. Rena, you got to do that. But it's hard. It's a hard process, especially if you just go. If you go into church every Sunday, sometimes on the Tuesday night prayer session or the Friday night youth service, you know, you're in it.
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Yeah. That's a lot.
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You're in it.
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I try not to get to know people at church because I want to have everyone stay pure in my heart.
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Right.
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You know, I don't want to be in the gossip up in the church and be like, you know, I saw her counting up the offering. Okay. It was the love offering. I thought she put something in her pocket. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to be so deep in it that I know past up, but yeah. Okay. So you performed at the church?
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I performed. I performed at the church.
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What kind of place were you? Baby Jesus.
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Oh, I mean, I was never baby Jesus, but I wait, I definitely was Jesus at one point.
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Okay. Bet
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I played the devil once. I was, in fact, what's the devil's lies? Wait, hold on now. Let me explain this. Now. It was actually a play where it was like, I guess because the devil's advocate had come out recently. So it was like a play. It was kind of like that, where it was a Person was on trial, and the person who was on trial was a Christian, and God was the judge and Jesus and I was the prosecutor.
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The devil. He not the witness.
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No, no, he's a prosecutor. He's like, this person's guilty. You got sent him to hell. And Jesus was the defender. Okay, you understand?
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Yes, no, I fully understand.
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I was in high school. I was in high school.
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Oh, no.
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Was I in high school? I think I was in middle school.
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Oh, even better.
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And, yeah, it was this huge before, like. And, you know, I had to be like. I had to be like, yeah, this person did this and this person did that and this.
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What kind of stuff were they doing that you were like, oh, you know,
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like, they were having sex and they were married.
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Oh, this is a spicy play.
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They cursed out their mom. You know what I mean?
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All the white kids are going to hell.
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Shut up. You know, all these things. And then the. Of course, the end of the play is like. The person's like, wait, but you got saved, then you good, bro.
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Oh, I love that. That's what I'm banking on, is that, like, when I get older, or at least it'll have, like, a couple seconds before I die where I could be like, I'm so sorry. Purified, you know, Got to get it,
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got to get it.
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So this girl, she Shandy, she was in the Daughters of Zion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a tangent. Guys, we're back. So, Shandy. The Daughters of Zion. And this was like a conservative church in the south in the 1990s. So I have a full picture of this. This is the kind of church I went to. At one point, two families showed up to our church who said that they were Ukrainian refugees. There were two moms, sisters, or old friends, I think, and their daughters. The two of them were about 15 or 16, and the other two were my age, 7 or 8. The girls, who were all very legitimate gymnasts and dancer, joined our rinky dink little church dance group. These women would take their daughters around to local churches, put on a dance performance. Ribbon dance was all the rage at the time. Yes, it was very lit in the 90s.
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Ribbon dancing.
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Yep. Tell a harrowing story of a fleeing violence and collect an offering from the congregation. She said she got really close to these girls and they attended her birthday parties. We had sleepovers, and they were my friends. And one day they just disappeared. They left town with no explanation. About a year ago, I asked my mom, whatever happened to the Ukrainian girls? And she told me this. They would go around the Whole country dancing at churches and collecting cash offerings, then move on to the next. They weren't refugees. And those girls, my parents later learned that they weren't even their daughters. And none of them were related.
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Oh, damn.
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You love to see it.
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That's okay. That hurts. That hurts because, you know, those people were just. Those people were trying to help somebody else.
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But they did help them.
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I guess you're right. You're right.
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Look, the story wasn't the actual story. Maybe these women are from Wisconsin. Maybe they're just great actors and dancers from New York who realized they could take their show on the road. But did they not anoint y' all with a ribbon dance in his name?
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That's true.
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You know, isn't that worth a love offering?
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Right? I mean, they became friends. Like, you know, it sounds like they befriended some people.
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Exactly.
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Made some relationships.
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Right. Y' all was having sleepovers. Those sleepovers were fun. You got to learn dance moves from trained gymnasts that probably went to the Olympics after that. That's how they make their money on the off season.
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Right, Right.
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They go do traveling off.
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I guess if you think about it, like, just were living off that money, and just for whatever reason, they're like, this is the work. This is our work. Our job is this. Is it really that bad?
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I mean, what's the difference between that and what we do? We're entertainers, and we're like, hey, I'll entertain you. Give me money, please, and I will give you entertainment.
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Right.
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I think that's what happened here.
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That's true.
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But I'm sorry you lost your friends like that girl because they just packed up in the middle of the night.
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That's sad, because you were. You were just a kid, and you just wanted to hang out with your friends.
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You, like, whatever.
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She's calling for a sleepover, and they're like, nah.
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No, like, hey, is Fetlana over here? We were supposed to go see Barney. Oh, Spananda. All the windows are open, all the doors are open.
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They just gone, never to be seen again.
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Really? You probably never even knew they real names. Oh, I wonder if she knew their real names. That's exciting. Just hanging out with somebody who got a different identity.
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Right.
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That's the kind of stuff I'm into. Honestly. That's dating. In la, you don't know who the fuck you're dating. They just tell you whatever. Actually, especially New York, you don't know who the fuck you're dating because everybody got 37,000 jobs. Everybody walks everywhere. So you're really not seeing anybody get out any vehicles. You don't really know what anybody's life is.
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B
Oh, interesting. That's right. Cause you can judge somebody based off what the vehicle did they're driving now.
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You can't. I will say that a lot of people drive around their mortgages. And I went on a date once with this guy who was driving, like, an S Class Mercedes Benz, and it was really nice. And we started talking, and he had mentioned something about a payday loan. He's like, years ago, I took out a payday loan. And I said, oh, my God. You took out a payday loan. I said, so is your credit really shot now? Cause those are predicted. And he was like, yeah, I'm working on rebuilding it. I said, are you leasing that vehicle? He goes, yeah, I'm leasing. I was like, oh, I bet that payment's really high, huh? He was like, yeah, it's pretty high. I was like, where do you live right now? He's like, oh, I'm living, my friend. He's with his wife and his baby, but I'm about to move out and get my own spot. I said, okay, so you have three roommates, and one of them is a child, and you're driving a bins that you can't afford, and your credit is shot.
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Yeah, I'm basically.
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I'm Annalise Keaton of Datin Broke Niggas. I come in with my briefcase, and I wobble walk over and I find out if that nigga's bro. Okay, like I said, you ride clean, but y' all dance up.
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But I.
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B
Okay, we can't.
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No, that was amazing. Oh, wait, I was. Okay. You were doing. Who was that? Who sings that song?
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Of course I. Of course I blank on the name immediately when you ask me. Stay fly by. It's gonna come to us. Is it Birdman?
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A
It's Birdman.
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B
That's right. Birdman.
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Birdman say fly, I stay fly. And I was.
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There's other people on me.
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Yeah, chicken head, right? You ride clean, but your gas tank is on me.
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B
Right?
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Show up in the club, no decent shoes on your feet. Hey, listen. You gotta listen to those lyrics, ladies, though, don't say I never gave you anything scams.
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B
Ooh.
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A
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It's true. It's true.
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Shout out to all my Nigerians. Omo Niger. I love y' all so much. It's no shade. It's just we know, we know, we get it and also we're proud. And I'm proud of this man. And I think by the end you'll be proud of him too. Okay, so this is Nigerian scammer Emmanuel Wud. So he has an N in front of the last name Wude. It's N W U D E. But I have so many Nigerian friends, so I know that you don't pronounce the N. Wowd.
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You're cultured.
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Like what? You know what I mean.
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B
You are so weird. I fu. Fu.
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Also, I'm black. I need to say that every show. If you don't know yet, I am black. So I'm allowed to say all these things because I don't know where I'm from in Africa. Okay. Probably somewhere where they could dock a boat, you know, that could be anywhere on the west. So this is my culture.
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You're right.
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So this is Nigerian scammer Emmanuel Nude Love.
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Oh, my God.
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I said the N. No wood.
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B
You set yourself up.
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A
Damn it. Damn it.
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B
Okay. Oh, my God.
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So Emmanuel is a fraud artist. Fraud artist.
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B
Wow. That's. Look at that fraud artist.
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A
Put some respect on ma. And former director of Union bank of Nigeria. He's also known for defrauding Nelson Scagucci, a director at Brazil's Banco Nazi based in Sao Paulo, of 242 million.
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B
Whoa.
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A
Of them thangs.
- [22:04]
B
Holy crap. I did not think that was gonna be million. Like, million. I was like, Woo. 242,000. That's respectable. Million.
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A
Oh, did you not hear, fraud artiste?
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B
Okay, honestly. My bad, my bad.
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A
You thought we were playing.
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B
Okay, okay, let's go.
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A
Right. Let's get it.
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C
Okay.
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A
Okay.
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B
This is the hall of fame right here.
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A
Absolutely. So his handsome accomplices. I don't need to read off their names, but you know, I can pronounce them.
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B
We just need to know they're handsome.
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A
Handsome and wealthy. Okay, so once upon a time before he carried out the largest, or, excuse me, the third largest banking scam in history. Top three.
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B
Top three.
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A
Yes. Top two. And I'm not number two would have been better. Emmanuel, you should have scammed a little higher. So he was an average guy who worked as a director of the Union bank of Nigeria. In addition to regular income that his job gave him, it also gave him access to a lot of classified documents and information.
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B
Mm. Information is key.
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A
Information is paramount. And opportunity. We all know scammers. When you start to really work inside a business, you always learn what the cracks are. You know what I mean? You know, if they're gonna notice if you take 12 staplers home or not. You start to figure that stuff out. And then it's. Starts with the staplers. And then you're like, ah, maybe I'll take home these forms. You know, I'm gonna take a whole filing cabinet home to my house. You know what I mean?
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B
Like, why you need a filing cabinet?
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A
Why don't. Why don't I.
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B
For all these files that I'm stealing.
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A
Look, I gotta get organized, okay? I started stealing a couple files.
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B
I don't know if this is a scam artist or a kleptom.
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A
I said, I have an office depot that I run out of my home. So in 1995, after he quits his job as director of the Union bank of Nigeria, Wood used information from his former job to pretend to be Paul Oguma Ogwoma. Oh, Paul. So Paul, the governor of the Central bank of Nigeria, then the fake governor of the Central bank of Nigeria. So this is Emmanuel pretending to be Paul convinced Nelson Scaguchi, a director of Brazil's Banco Noresto, to buy stake in Nigeria's new, newest airport.
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B
I love the accent at the end.
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A
Nigeria is going to have a new airport and it is going to be so nice. You will want to put your plane there. Absolutely, yes. I'm gonna get canceled by the Nigerian community. Fight me. No, don't, please. You're very strong. So if the Brazilian bank director got in on the ground floor when the airport was being built, he would get about a $10 million commission as well as dividends on his airport investment. There you go. So he's like, listen, I know that there are no cost contracts. I know I cannot show you actual contracts of the building we have. We. But the building is going to be there. And if you get in on the ground floor, then you will make so much money, I cannot actually provide you with any forms.
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B
Okay, so no forms.
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A
Oh, no. I do not have any funds for you today. But listen to me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
$10 million.
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B
That's a lot of money. Yeah.
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A
I want you to give me 242 million.
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B
Right. Okay, wait, hold on. So my investment. My investment is 24 times the amount that I'm gonna get back?
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A
Yes, but you are not thinking about the money that you stand to gain.
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B
Ah, got you, got you. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Don't miss this opportunity. There someone calling me right now. Hold on.
- [25:34]
B
I gotta be honest. You're so handsome. I don't know. I don't know if it's because you're handsome, but I think we gotta do business together.
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A
Listen, has a man ever deferred you out of $242 million?
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B
Never. Never. And this will. Not that it happens.
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A
So eager to cash in on this sweet deal. Just like Jonathan just showed us. Horny Scaguchi. Horny Scaguchi paid Wood $191 million in cash and $51 million in outstanding interest. Despite the lack of a physical airport, which was promised would take several years to approve because of construction in 1997, the money trail started to chirp up. So two years later, they're like the money trail.
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B
That's what got them. Not the fact that this airport didn't exist and there was no construction crews or nothing.
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A
Oh, Scaruchi, my friends, why are you calling me today?
- [26:30]
B
Hey. Yeah, I drove by that lot that you said we were gonna start building that airport in. There's nothing there.
- [26:37]
A
What?
- [26:38]
B
Yeah. No.
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A
Oh, no, you must not look closely enough. There is a sign on the ground that says airports coming soon.
- [26:44]
B
Mm, no, actually, I did see that sign. It was written and then crayon.
- [26:49]
A
What?
- [26:49]
B
Yeah, red crayon. And it feels not as legitimate.
- [26:54]
A
Oh, did you see the picture of the airplane on the side?
- [26:57]
B
Yeah. Huh. Yeah, I just thought, you know, it has been two years now, so.
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A
Airports, tech. Have you ever built an airport?
- [27:05]
B
I have not.
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A
These sexy hands that I have. Have built an airport before.
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B
These sexy hands. Okay, you know what? I'm going to give you some more time.
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A
Exactly how it happened. That was actually the phone call, guys.
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C
Yeah.
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A
That was so lucky to have those transcripts. So that year, Spanish bank Santander just happened to make a move to acquire Banco Norestre, that's Gargucci's bank. But during a deep dive on their books, which I hope was like a deep secession style dive. Do you watch Secession?
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B
Of course I do.
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A
Oh, I love Secession. It's just like Empire, but with, like, a little bit better research. Cause on Empire, they have to keep everything vague. I always talk about this, like, I think instead of, like, Lee Daniels going out and, like, getting information on how businesses are run, they just stick with, like, very vague firms.
- [27:52]
B
Right?
- [27:52]
A
Yeah, Right. We've talked about this, like, the company. But on Secession, they're like, the quarterly reports are down and, like, Kendall's doing cocaine and being sad. Oh, so good. So I hope it was like that. I hope this was like a Secession style deep dive. But in this deep dive, they found out that two fifths of the bank's capital was registered to undisclosed accounts in the Cayman Islands. This, of course, was Wood's colossal taking of now $330 million.
- [28:21]
B
Wow. Also, can we talk about the fact that the Cayman Islands are pretty much only known for, like, embezzling money?
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A
I mean, that's their brand.
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B
That's their brand.
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A
And I've been there so many times. And the funny thing is, is, like, when you go to lots of islands, especially in the Caribbean, everyone is, like, super duper friendly because tourism is just such a huge export for them. So they're trying to get your money from the gate, you know, all the way back to before you leave. Right. But in the Cayman Islands, they're not like. Cause they don't need your fucking money. Cause all they do is launder money. Talking about, bitch, like, why are you over here? Welcome to the Caymans. Go the fuck home. Are you a millionaire? No. To get the fuck out of race out, bitch. No, you can't have no plantains.
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B
Ho.
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A
These not to sell to you. Get your ass back on that Carnival cruise ship, you raggedy bitch. Yo, they're not mean. Cause they're like, we don't have to Be.
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B
Oh, my God, it's so real. It's so real.
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A
Cause the banking industry is, like, keeping them completely afloat. They're like, are you a rich, white billionaire? Then raise the fuck up, Sandra. We're not braiding your daughter's hair. They are mean. Sorry. If you're from the game of night.
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B
Wait.
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A
If you're from the game, tweet me. Tweet me and tell me if I'm right.
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B
That would be incredible.
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A
I heard y' all don't like tourists, and I've experienced it as well. I was also, I'm black. Y' all don't know if I'm from here. They knew immediately. They knew immediately also. I could be from there. Again, the diaspora. I will reiterate this throughout the show to legitimize my horrible act. Accents. Okay, so the fraud was like, oh, this is the other thing that I want to point out. Two fifths of the bank's capital. My guy Scar, Gucci. You invested, and they let you. People let you.
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B
And they let you do this.
- [30:03]
A
Two fifths of all your bank's money.
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B
That's wild.
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A
In an airport you've never seen. Did you even visit the lot where the airport was supposed to be at?
- [30:13]
B
No, he definitely didn't.
- [30:14]
A
This is like, the other thing that
- [30:16]
B
I think about with these stuff, with these kind of things is, like, people have way too much money. When I drop $5, I open my wallet and I'm like, where $5 come? I start tracing my steps. I start asking people, hey, man, you see five house on the street? I start. I turn over couch cushions. You know, I'm in the car looking at. Looking in the cracks. How they. How they just gonna let $300 million just. And then two years, two. After two years, then they go, wait a minute.
- [30:50]
A
Where there's literally smoke coming out of John's answer.
- [30:53]
B
They're missing some money.
- [30:56]
A
We missing a little bit of money.
- [30:57]
B
Yeah, we missing a little bit of money.
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A
Wait, Scar, Gucci, can you come in here?
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B
Yo. Hey, fam.
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A
So we were just digging through these. These books. Me, Santander. Let me put on my Spanish accent. The people of Santander were digging through the books, and we just have a couple of pre. Where is the money?
- [31:16]
B
Yeah, you had over a trillion dollars, and now it's three. It's only 900 million.
- [31:22]
A
Yeah, that's not what we were promised when we saw. Okay. Oh, you gave it to a sexy African. Okay.
- [31:27]
B
Oh, okay. Oh, that's okay.
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A
This is also 1995, so I imagine technology is Just so trash. Like whenever I think of 1995, I think of the movie Ghost. People typing on computers. For some reason, there was like green letters.
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B
God damn. That's man. 1995. This was in 95.
- [31:44]
C
Yeah.
- [31:44]
B
That means that money was even more than it is now.
- [31:47]
A
Yeah. God, yeah.
- [31:48]
B
Wow. So why do they make a movie about this dude?
- [31:50]
A
I think they are going, okay, they better.
- [31:53]
B
They made a movie about some white dude who just scammed a couple of banks, right? Like that dude, Leonardo DiCaprio. Like, how much money did he steal?
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A
I don't know.
- [32:02]
B
Definitely not 240.
- [32:03]
A
Exactly. Not a flex like this. He's not number two.
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B
He ain't number two.
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A
So the fraud was uncovered after the December 1997 joint board meeting. So they had a meeting. Everybody pulled up to the meeting. What an uncomfortable meeting. Yeah, you might if I just get some water first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can have a little water. Let's get to it.
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B
Bitch.
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A
Where is all our money? So this led to a criminal investigation in Brazil, Britain, Nigeria, Switzerland and the United States. I mean, if the US Ain't getting parts, then are you really even doing crime? Come on now. You know world police and world criminal.
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B
That's true.
- [32:40]
A
We are the good cop and the bad cop.
- [32:42]
B
That's right. Hey, nobody can police your crime. If you the police,
- [32:47]
A
we our own police.
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B
God.
- [32:49]
A
It's a huge problem. Laugh to keep from crying. Unfortunately for the Brazilian bank director, the Abuja airport. Abuja. That was the name. Abuja.
- [32:59]
B
That's a good name.
- [32:59]
A
That sounds like a nice airport. Where are you flying into? Abuja.
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B
Abuja.
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A
Abuja. At 10am yes, it was a complete failure addiction. But by the time he figured it out, Wood and his accomplices had already fled with the money.
- [33:13]
B
Duh.
- [33:15]
A
I don't even know why y' all
- [33:16]
B
really gotta look at two year head start.
- [33:19]
A
No, we only. Listen, listen. We are only two years behind. We will find them.
- [33:23]
B
We gonna find them, okay?
- [33:25]
A
And like Liam Neeson hopped on a plane five minutes after his daughter was taken. Y' all waited two years. Y' all ain't getting that. I don't care how many people you neck chop. You're not getting that money back. So Wood got away with it until 2004. So just to do that quick math. Yeah, that's seven years.
- [33:43]
B
Seven years of just after they found out about it.
- [33:45]
A
Luxury Woo. When he was brought before Abuja High Court and charged with 86 counts of fraudulently seeking advanced fees and 16 counts of bribery. We're gonna get into these Bribery counts. Cause they are fun.
- [34:01]
B
16 counts.
- [34:02]
A
So. However, after Rum that wooed handsomely bribed the court staff that also charged him with bribery, the case was thrown out.
- [34:12]
B
Of course, my man got $242 million you ain't liking.
- [34:20]
A
Nobody ever got that kind of money.
- [34:22]
B
We already know this. People who are rich, they don't go to prison.
- [34:26]
A
But, you know, it's always white people who are rich.
- [34:28]
B
You don't go to prison. Right, Exactly.
- [34:29]
A
So I love seeing you. Love to see a black man. I do love to see it skate away like this. You truly do.
- [34:34]
B
But he was in. So he was in Nigeria, right?
- [34:37]
A
That's another thing.
- [34:38]
B
Right?
- [34:38]
A
So he's in his home country.
- [34:39]
B
He's in his home country.
- [34:40]
A
They were just like.
- [34:40]
B
And everybody like, hey, Boots, what you
- [34:42]
A
did is so wrong. Is that money you are putting on my table? You know, I cannot take that. Okay, turn around.
- [34:53]
B
Just gonna leave. This $100,000 he owned.
- [34:56]
A
I am going to have to charge you with one more count of bribery for trying to bribe me. But then I will throw other char. I'll charge you, and then I'll throw out the charges.
- [35:06]
B
I'll throw out those charges.
- [35:08]
A
So according to Nyjah, the group pleaded not guilty and were warned not to bribe court officials after the alleged money was going around. So basically, they went to court and
- [35:20]
B
they were like, hey, hey, don't bribe anybody.
- [35:24]
A
Don't bribe me. Don't you come into my chambers and give me a suitcase full of money. Don't you do it.
- [35:34]
B
If you try to give me $250,000, that would be wrong, especially if you left it at 3, 2, 1, Maplewood
- [35:47]
A
Dry in unmarked bills that were clean. But don't do that.
- [35:53]
B
Don't do that.
- [35:54]
A
So in July 2004, Judge Lal Gume threw out the case again, claiming that. That since the crime did not take place in Abuja, he had no jurisdiction and said that the proper place would be Lagos High Court. So he got bribed probably, and was like, you know what? Actually, this ain't none of my damn business. This. I need to mind my business. You know, as a court officer to court. I need to mind my business.
- [36:19]
B
I need to mind my business. Listen, my mom always told you, mind your own business. So this ain't my business.
- [36:25]
A
An African province. So he. So as soon as they are let out and they assume they're, you know, free, the defendants were immediately rearrested as soon as they stepped outside of the courthouse. So they didn't get much freedom.
- [36:40]
C
Damn.
- [36:40]
A
Okay, so in the Lagos trial. Wood attempted to bribe.
- [36:45]
B
Why not Wood?
- [36:46]
A
Didn't we tell you to stop bribing people?
- [36:48]
B
He got endless money. Like, what else is he about to do?
- [36:52]
A
We told you, don't bribe nobody else.
- [36:54]
B
Damn, I love it. Because they couldn't find his money. So, like, he's still able to bribe people.
- [37:00]
A
He's like, showed up to court and like, Rolls Royces and like a full gold suit.
- [37:04]
B
They're like, hey, where's your money at?
- [37:05]
A
He's like, he's like, I do not know, but I know I find some of it for you and I. So. So then Wu attempts to bribe Nuha Ribadu. I'm probably not saying that. Right. I'm so sorry. Who was then the chairman of the Economic and Financial crimes commission? The E. $75,000 cash. Okay, so here's my issue, Wu. 75K in a cash.
- [37:30]
B
It came too low, man.
- [37:31]
A
You came in way too much.
- [37:32]
B
It came too low.
- [37:33]
A
Your offer was offensive.
- [37:34]
B
That was offensive.
- [37:35]
A
And that's probably why it didn't work out. Like, you stole 242 million.
- [37:39]
B
Yeah, you can't be bribing 75,000. Nah, that's too low.
- [37:42]
A
That's trying to give me, like, it's giving me $75. Like, hey, make this go away.
- [37:46]
B
Yeah. Nah, you going to jail now just on pettiness.
- [37:50]
A
So he refused, obviously, because it wasn't enough money. And Wood was charged with attempted bribery again, as well as an attempt to kill. Kidnap a prosecuting witness.
- [38:01]
B
So. Whoa, wait, what? Where did that come from?
- [38:04]
A
It's escalated quickly.
- [38:07]
B
Who he paying now?
- [38:09]
A
So he was like, fine, you don't wanna take my $75,000. I'm gonna pay that to somebody else who gonna kidnap me.
- [38:15]
B
Yeah, God damn.
- [38:17]
A
75 is all I'm giving. That's my final offer. Like, you can't play hardball when you're trying to go to jail. So during the trial, there was a bomb scare that caused the courthouse to be evacuated. Waited, Curious.
- [38:29]
B
Okay. I don't know what the plan was with that one though. You just.
- [38:35]
A
That's only gonna get you like two hours. Some bomb sniffing dog that reminds me of that Dave Chappelle gif where he's playing the president and he sits down at the table and like, tosses over the pitcher of water and runs like. This was Wood's like, Scooby Doo ass trying to escape. Like, that's not enough time, Wood.
- [38:54]
B
You thought you was gonna get to
- [38:55]
A
Canada, by the way.
- [38:55]
B
Come on now. What are you doing?
- [38:57]
A
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B
You're doing really well with these.
- [42:40]
A
I'm not. I started. I put the in there. It's supposed to be Zerby. There we go. So Emmanuel and Zerby Okali.
- [42:48]
B
I like it.
- [42:49]
A
Oh, we're going to go with it, guys. Pleaded guilty after testimony in hopes of a more lenient sentence and were sentenced to 29 years in prison collectively with Wood receiving five concurrent sentences of five years totaling 25 years and Okali receiving four. So Okali only got four years. Wood got 25 years. I don't understand why the sentences are consecutive. I guess because they're trying to do is to make sure you can't plead out and not serve all of them.
- [43:19]
B
I think they just cause they wanted him to go to jail for a long time for what he did.
- [43:22]
A
Yeah, but here's the thing. So the entirety of Wood's assets were confiscated to be returned to the victim, and $10 million fine was imposed to be paid to the Nigerian federal government. Okay, so.
- [43:35]
B
Oh, wait, he got his 10 million
- [43:38]
A
now, Nigeria, why he got to pay you? He ain't scam y'.
- [43:42]
B
All.
- [43:42]
A
He did scam y'.
- [43:44]
B
All.
- [43:44]
A
He scammed Brazil. They're like. And you know What? Give us 10 million as well, because we know you got it.
- [43:49]
B
I mean, we had a.
- [43:51]
A
That was expensive.
- [43:52]
B
Yeah, that cost $10 million.
- [43:54]
A
And what about that bomb threat that we gave you the cell phone to call in for?
- [43:59]
B
That costs $10 million.
- [44:01]
A
Canines are expensive. So Mood filed a lawsuit to recover his seized assets after they were released from prison. After he was released from prison. Do you want to guess what year he was released from prison?
- [44:12]
B
Well, I mean, clearly it was not the 25 year sentence he was supposed to serve.
- [44:17]
A
I want you get to give me a ballpark guess of how many years.
- [44:19]
B
Okay, so he went to prison. Say what, like 2005?
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A
2000? Yeah, like 2004.
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2004. I mean, okay, you know, white collar crime, they probably get out in like three years. But I'mma add. I'mma add three more because he's black. So six.
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A
But he in a black country.
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Oh, that's true. So let me subtract two.
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A
I love the racism math. I love. Okay, right, right. Everybody's black.
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B
Okay, four years.
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Wow, you're close, but no cigar. He got out in 2006.
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B
Damn.
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My guy was in the clink for less than two years. How chile a king. So he filed a lawsuit after doing less than two years in jail to recover his ceased assets. Once he was released from prison on the grounds that some of the assets were acquired before the crime was committed. He was like, okay, some of that money was. Is basically what he said.
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B
Interesting.
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He has already reclaimed at least $52 million. The scam was the third largest banking fraud scam in the world, and it popularized advanced fee fraud syndrome, meaning that now when people want money up front, which I've talked about on an episode with Lauren Lapkis, Reimbursement. I'll do reimbursement. I want preimbursements. I want my money up front. But now that's a nerve wracking thing for people because they worry like, what if I give you $300 million for an airport and you never build it?
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B
Right, right, right.
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A
So advance fee fraud is a type of fraud in which businesses and individuals are required to Pay an advance fee. It's pretty self explanatory. The targets of the fraud, which include businesses and individuals, receive a solicitation with someone posing as a business or representative of the government promising large sums of money will be deposited once they reach their target. To ensure this, the recipient of the letter is asked to pay a certain percentage of the total amount. And it's always like a wire or a transfer. Anytime somebody telling you they're gonna wire you money, like immediately become afraid.
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B
Right, right.
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A
And this type of Fraud, sometimes called 419 fraud after the relevant section of the Nigerian criminal code. So now he has owned crime named after him.
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B
Crime named after him.
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A
I'm proud of him. Hall of fame Emmanuel, you have a crime named after you and you are full on free and a full on millionaire. Shout out to Emmanuel, a king.
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B
I mean, seriously, I'm just thinking about all of the, you know, not to make this about race, but like, seriously though, mad skin, like movies made with like white people scamming people and they don't even come close to what this dude did.
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A
And he's free.
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B
And he's free. He got out in two years just like, just like any other white person would. Man, that's amazing. That's truly, that's inspiring.
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A
Right?
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B
I mean, he stole $52 million, but honestly, those people probably shouldn't have had that much money to be right.
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A
They're hoarding it, to be honest.
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B
They are hoarding it.
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A
Is he not redistributing the wealth? He's out here paying every government employee. Everybody gotta bribe.
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B
He bribing everybody.
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A
I want you to think about the little girl whose daddy is a judge and that Christmas she got that doll that she wanted or that Beyonce tickets that she wanted. You know what I'm saying? Like, think about how many blessings Emmanuel created for the people his life that he scammed and that he bribed.
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B
I love it.
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A
Now, one person did get kidnapped maybe.
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B
Yeah. Was it threatened to kidnap or.
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A
I think it might have been threatened to kidnap. Attempted kidnapping. Yeah. Which is not even that bad. As a woman who walks down the street, I'm pretty sure people have been attempting to kidnap me every day and I'm doing okay. So what mad does this make really do this one by really fast, Jonathan.
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B
I. I mean, so fast.
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A
We've reached the last segment of this show.
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B
I'm sad.
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A
Oh, I am too. So this is scammer of the week. Okay, so this is when we pick like one honorary charlatan who's worthy of our praise and we just, we just share their exploits with the world.
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B
I love it.
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A
So this year's scammer of the week is Jeffrey Wall. A few freeport, a main concert promoter who raised over $3 million from investors allegedly falsely telling. Falsely telling them that the money was going to be used to host Christian music festivals and that profits were guaranteed.
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B
Okay, right back in the Christian world.
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A
Christian Coachella.
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B
Ooh, Christian Coachella.
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A
You know, you can be as probably problematic as regular Coachella. There's just like maybe no drugs and sex, but you can wear a flower crown and. Or an Indian headdress.
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B
That's right, that's right. You can lift those praise hands in the air.
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A
Can we drink wine and call it communion?
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B
You can sip some. You can sip some communion.
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A
You can have a sip of a. They probably could serve white claws.
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B
Listen, you can get high on the Holy Ghost.
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A
Okay, you heard it here first, Jonathan. So the Lighthouse Events llc, Gotta have an llc, founded by Jeffrey Wall, described itself as a Christian ministry that promotes, organizes and hosts music concerts and festivals. Wall solicited investments from companies through emails one which read, become a financial partner with our summer festivals. Help us spread the message of Christ. Plus earn 20% on your investment.
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B
Wait, so I can save people and make this money? Yes, I can serve both masters.
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A
Ok, Duncan, we getting sanctified and we getting dividends.
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B
Amazing.
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A
The 20% on your investment is trash. So regulators say that Wall did not disclose his company's poor finances and growing dues. Instead of Christian concerts, investor funds were allegedly to pay off his existing debt. So now I wanna know what scam he was doing before this.
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B
I love that he just did a whole scam just to pay off some debt.
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A
Probably from his last scam.
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B
From his last scam.
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A
When you're like a career scammer, you're always looking for your next income fill, right? So now he was like, I'll just send out email, unsolicited emails. And this worked.
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B
And it worked. It worked, worked.
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A
So the defendants actions constitute what is known as affinity fraud, which refers to investment scams that prey upon members of identifiable groups such as religious or ethnic communities. In this case, the defendants defrauded investors who shared Wall's religious views. So I guess he found. Oh wait, is this the guy? This is Wall. Oh my. Wow, look at his bland ass family. Oh my God. If these people walked past me, even after staring at this photo, I'm like Keke Palmer. I could stare at this for two hours and I'd be like, I don't
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B
know, this man, it's truly the most, like, generic looking.
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A
I've never seen a more generic looking family. They should all be scammers. I would never remember any of their faces.
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B
Wow. I'm forgetting them as I look at them. Like, I'm staring at them and I'm forgetting.
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A
It's like I could be friends with them for years and then I could see them in a Starbucks while I'm waiting for coffee.
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B
And I. I truly want to know the backstory of, like, what. What that debt was. You know what I mean?
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A
Right. He might be murdering people.
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B
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
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A
I encourage you guys to look up Jeffrey Wahl and just look at his face. Like, these people. I can't.
- [52:06]
B
So he just emailed. He just emailed people and he got the money. Yes.
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A
He was sending out unsolicited emails promising Jesus and 20%. And you know, Jesus only asked for 10. They said, that's more than Jesus wants from me. That's a steal. He said, look, I'm giving.
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B
I will multiply your loaves and fishes.
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A
Literally what the email said.
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B
When?
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A
Christian. Christian Coachella.
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B
Christian Coachella. All your favorite Christian artists.
- [52:36]
A
Yeah. Who are our favorite Christian artists? I like, just is.
- [52:40]
B
Wait, so this is like Christian, like, this is like Christian rock, I'm assuming Christian. This is like Chris Tomlin. Okay.
- [52:47]
A
This is like Sean McDonald. Does he still make music?
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B
I don't know, but I think so.
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A
You know, I do love that song. Take my hand, though. Take my hand to the promised land Love, you wanna know where I stand But I cannot do it all on my own I need you Whatever need and I need to be lowered by your I know that I need you Listen, I'm from Texas, okay? So I had to listen to Christian rock.
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B
Yes, absolutely.
- [53:11]
A
And it forced upon my ears, but I loved it. I would totally, like, do Molly and wear a flower crown and just be out there like, na na na na na na na we're the only black person there. Something. That was a scam. We knew it was a scam when we saw that one black lady on Molly in a headdress. Oh, man. Oh, man. But okay, so this is something that happens a lot, and it happens with different groups. It happens with a lot of hate groups as well. Groups that kind of hate, like, gay people or hate. You know what I mean? Like, they get scammed by, like. Look, we also hate. Who do y' all hate? Who. Hold on. I'm sorry. Who do you hate specifically?
- [53:54]
B
We. So here's the thing. We're holding a rally, a Klan Rally.
- [53:59]
A
Oh, okay.
- [53:59]
B
Okay. We gonna take down all of these blacks and Jews and queer years and all we need is a small investment of a hundred dollars. And you will get 20% off. You will get 20% return on your investments once the white race has taken back supremacy.
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A
As soon as we get the Supremacy back.
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B
As soon as we get the Supremacy
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A
back, we gonna give you your 20% on your investment. I promise you. Okay, just wait for the next.
- [54:30]
B
Promise you that.
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A
What's his name? Duke something.
- [54:34]
B
David Duke.
- [54:35]
A
Wait till. David Duke.
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B
Listen, we promise you 40 acres and a mule. That's right. White reparations. Just give us $100 and you gonna get your white reparations.
- [54:47]
A
I would love. We need to run this scam, John. White reparations. And we just hit up racist groups and we're like black people always said they needed the 40 acres and the mule, but we know we need it.
- [54:57]
B
We know we need it.
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A
Our email address is like whiteymail.com whiteymail.com definitely a white personmail.com. caucasians.
- [55:12]
B
Oh, yes.
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A
But as soon as we do get the Supremacy, we will give you a
- [55:14]
B
20% return on your investment.
- [55:16]
A
Okay.
- [55:16]
B
Absolutely.
- [55:17]
A
All right.
- [55:19]
B
All right.
- [55:20]
A
We've reached the end of the shop. So is that crazy?
- [55:24]
B
That's so crazy.
- [55:25]
A
Well, I have to ask C.J. where? Well, actually, there's one more thing that. So this was a two parter and I was gonna not read the other part. I was just gonna save it from Shandy. But since we have a little bit of extra time and I know you guys will be pissed at me if I leave early, I am gonna read this.
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B
Please do.
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A
So this is also from Shandy. She said this is a scam that happened in her adult life. She says, I once worked with a woman who faked having cancer for four. She stopped coming to work. She said she was undergoing chemo treatments. She started wearing a head wrap and even waxed off her eyebrows. Now that's commitment. The employer paid all of her insurance premiums, so somehow they were able to check up on her progress. And once they got suspicious and discovered that she wasn't sick at all, she was just sitting at home collecting her VP level paycheck and waxing off her eyebrows.
- [56:17]
B
She. So she pretended to have cancer just so she didn't have to go to work. Like, you know, like, literally just so she didn't have to go to work.
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A
First of all, people just call out sick. She tried to call out dead.
- [56:32]
B
Like how? My question about a scam like that is, like, how do you. Where. What was the end? Where was the exit? You know what I mean? Like, how'd you think you were going to get out of that?
- [56:41]
A
Like, were you just going to come back and like maybe like have short hair wigs and then like eventually have a long hair wig?
- [56:47]
B
You have to keep up this story literally for the rest of your life.
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A
For the rest of your life you
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B
have to keep telling people that you beat cancer and you never did.
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A
And this is a scam that I don't know if I commend this one just because there's so many people who have this disease and cannot afford treatment. So it is really fucked. And also you're at a VP level position, which means that you've ascertained a certain amount of skills. If you don't like your job, just,
- [57:11]
B
just quit, get another job. Go get another job. Stop being lazy.
- [57:15]
A
You went and got you some there and you went down to the black hair care store and got you some scarves you probably got.
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B
It's also a lazy scam too. It's just like she just told people she had cancer and then wax her eyebrows, shave their head.
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A
She didn't save her head. I think she just put.
- [57:34]
B
She just waxed her eyebrows and she puts her head in the head.
- [57:36]
A
So then what are you doing when you're not at work with your bald face?
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B
I don't know. I guess she's this little. Living her life.
- [57:44]
A
How do,
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B
man, what a boring person.
- [57:50]
A
This is trash. Like, honestly. And you know I love scams, but I will have to condemn the scam just for being lazy, not inventive. There's a lack of ingenuity here also, you know what I mean? There's a lack of forethought to the end goal. Like what was going to happen, happen? Sis, I also want.
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B
If you're gonna commit that hard to having cancer, like you gotta milk that for more than just four months.
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A
She must be milking at other places because otherwise how is she going out? Like what is she doing a bunko night? And they're like, well, do you think
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B
she continued the scam outside of that life? Do you think she got like, you know, people like buying her things or just feeling sorry for her she had to have. I mean, I don't, I don't know if she would need this.
- [58:35]
A
But you having eyes, eyebrows, if you're not like, I don't know, like a 19 year old frat boy, like, why don't you have eyebrows, ma'?
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B
Am?
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A
Like people are going to ask, yeah, I truly don't, sis. I'm not here for this scam. I'm gonna condemn this scam. And maybe from here on out, maybe I will do one scam that I condemn. But this. This one is one that I definitely condemn. Just to balance things out, because I am getting a lot of emails that are like, lacey, you really motivated me to start doing fraud.
- [59:02]
B
And I'm like, wait, hold on. No. Uh. Oh, the opposite of the Lord's work.
- [59:11]
A
Listen, don't put that on me, okay? Because anything. A good scammer can manipulate any narrative to fit their own, okay?
- [59:19]
B
I'm distancing myself from this. I am. I'm not a scam. I do not do these kinds of scams, okay? These are the scammers. My scams are petty, man. My scams are small. I go to Chipotle, I order some. Some chips. I walk away from the counter, and I come back and I say, can I get a side of salsa? And then they give it to me for free. But if I had a. If I order chips and salsa, I have to pay an extra dollar for that.
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A
That's beautiful.
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B
See, that's a little shortcut.
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A
Look at that.
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B
That's for everybody to know. Go to Chipotle. You want chips and salsa. Order chips, Walk away from the counter.
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A
Walk away now. Walk far.
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B
You gotta walk. You gotta walk away.
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A
Don't walk. Don't walk. But I can still see you. And then turn around and then.
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B
And then just come. Then come right back and say, actually, can I have a side of salsa? And they go, oh, yeah. And what kind? And then you tell them what kind, and they give you the side of salsa.
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A
I'm gonna up the scam one. Get the chips, walk away. Shave off your eyebrows, come back, get the salsa.
- [60:19]
B
Get the salsa. And they go, what happened to your eyebrows? I have cancer. They just fell off. And then they give you a free burrito.
- [60:30]
A
I would appreciate that scam more than this woman's giving her a job like this, but thank you so much, Shandy. You are a wealth of scam information. Guys, we've reached the end of the show. John, I just have one question.
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B
Yes.
- [60:40]
A
Where do you want to be found? I don't ask where we people can find you. I want to know where you want to be.
- [60:45]
B
I like that, because they could find me in places I don't want to be found.
- [60:48]
A
Exactly.
- [60:49]
B
Yeah. Like my house. You can find me. Or I would like you to find me on Twitter and Instagram, Onbralock, J, O, N, B, R A Y L O C K My podcast, of course Black men can't jump in Hollywood. Please listen to that on Apple or Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcast. And of course this show, Astronomy Club on Netflix, which depending on when this comes out, it comes out December 6th. So if it's past then go watch now and if it's not past then, then December 6th. Put it in your calendar, baby. All right. Yeah.
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Oh my God, that was such a good fl. I love that guys, as per usual, you can find me Laci Mosley at D I V A L A C I on all platforms and if you'd like to contact the Show Scam Goddess scamgoddesspodmail.com OnlyRetired Scam Guys, I'm not trying to fuck up your back and if you want to follow us on the Instagram and the Twitter, it's Scam Goddess Pod. All right, congregation, stay scheming. Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam got us stars and is hosted by Mosley AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay Scheming Eczema is unpredictable, but you can flare less with Epglis, a once monthly treatment for moderate to severe eczema after an initial four month or longer dosing phase. About four in ten people taking Epglis achievements received itch relief and clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks, and most of those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.
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