The Old Money Tree Murders w/ Frankie Quiñones

Summary

Scam Goddess – "The Old Money Tree Murders"

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Frankie Quiñones
Date: April 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley welcomes comedian and actor Frankie Quiñones for a spirited exploration of scams, schemes, and historic hoodwinks. The main case is a juicy tale of old money drama and botanical sabotage in Maine: wealthy newcomers, desperate for a waterfront view, are accused of poisoning the cherished trees on their neighbor’s property—the neighbor being none other than an LL Bean heiress. Alongside this wild caper, Laci and Frankie break down the schemin' science of everyday rip-offs (from food delivery fees to paper straws) and shine light on a fantastically bizarre arc-building prophet in Ghana.

As always, the tone is sharp, irreverent, and full of scammer survival advice.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Scam or Scheme? [03:33–18:46]

Uber Eats/Delivery “Priority” Fees [03:50–08:13]

• Debate: Are extra fees for “priority” delivery a scam, scheme, or a real thing?
• Frankie: Admits he sometimes pays for priority, sometimes not, and suspiciously watches drivers on the app.

  "If I pay for priority, they're supposed to come right to me. But it feels like a gamble." [04:21]

• Laci: Finds it a “scheme,” since timely, hot delivery should be standard.
• Discussion: The fee barely impacts the driver; it’s mostly extra profit for the app. Drivers get little to none of the “priority” surcharge.
• Notable Quote:

  Laci: "Why I gotta pay for things that used to just be a thing?" [04:44]

Paper Straws [09:37–11:46]

• Debate: Eco-friendly or just environmentally themed price-gouging?
• Both: Believe it's a scheme. Laci jokes about "the paper straw lobby" and points out the futility given billionaire pollution.
• Frankie: Adds,

  "You don't want to be sucking on that soggy little stick." [10:16]

Dating App VIP/Premium Fees [12:02–16:46]

• Debate: Do paid “VIP” tiers genuinely improve your odds? Scam or “feature”?
• Frankie: "I think it's a scheme. I mean, you do get more swipes but it's not really quality." [12:35]
• Laci: Brings up how algorithms seem to withhold better matches behind a paywall.

  "If you want to see everybody, you better pay this VIP fee, you horny, lonely bitch." [13:17]

• Both: Agree dating app VIP is a scheme dressed up as a service.

Pro Tips for Dating Profiles

• First photo should never be a group shot—shows lack of confidence and clarity.
• Frankie shares: Have friends review your pics.
• Frankie: "I'm fine-adjacent, though. Don't trip." [16:04]

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2. Historic Hoodwink: The Old Money Tree Murders [22:30–63:24]

The Players

• Perpetrators: Amelia & Arthur Bond, wealthy (but not local) couple, vacationing in Camden, Maine.
• Victim: Lisa Gorman—LL Bean heiress, mainstay of Maine’s high society.

The Scam

• The Bonds, frustrated that Lisa’s towering oaks blocked their scenic view, allegedly poison over 80 trees/shrubs with tebuthiuron, a powerful plant killer.
• Amelia attempts to “casually” offer to help Lisa pay to cut down her suddenly sick trees.

  Laci: "Lisa, girl...I just wanted to say...your trees look like ass." [47:43]

• Lisa, worldly and suspicious, commissions forensic testing which reveals poisoning.

Investigation into the Bonds

• Amelia—a former investment banker & Missouri nonprofit foundation head; Arthur ties to MO Republican political machine.
• Extended anecdote about Uncle "Kit" Bond, noted for environmental offenses and calling waterboarding "just swimming"

  Frankie: "He said, 'freestyle, backstroke.' What?!" [31:05]

• Laci & Frankie critique how the Bonds, used to skirting rules, fumbled by being too obvious in their approach.

Fallout

• The poisoned soil spreads contamination to a local park and public beach.
• Consequences:
  • $4,500 in pesticide control fines
  • $180,000 settlement with the town
  • $30,000 for environmental testing
  • $1.5 million in damages paid to Lisa—nearly what the Bonds paid for their home

  Laci: "You coulda just hired a tree hitman...You did too much." [58:36]

Scammer Assessment

• Both agree Amelia Bond is a classic "sociopath" who’s gotten away with so many cons she thought she could scam Maine’s old money.

  Frankie: "She's got away with so much for her to have the confidence...to buy this tree poison, drive to our beach home...It's gonna work out." [59:30]

• Laci: "If she'd just straight-up grifted, we'd be rooting for her. But poisoning the land—nah." [63:16]

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3. Scammer of the Week: Prophet Noah Eboo and the Postponed Apocalypse [63:24–74:27]

The “Biblical Flood” Scam

• Ghanaian prophet E. Noah (“Noah”) posts viral prophecies warning of a new 3-year flood beginning Christmas 2025.
• Raises funds via GoFundMe to “build modern-day arks,” posting dramatic videos featuring himself in sackcloth & livestock (but holding an iPhone and wearing Calvin Klein boxers).
• Critics note: the Bible promises no more global floods, points out inconsistencies in his story and obvious staged imagery.

  Laci: "You're in portrait mode but also tatters. You got money for portrait, you got money for shirts." [64:35]

• Recent discovery: Eboo’s funds bought him a $90,000 Mercedes.
• When the flood doesn’t arrive, he announces it’s “postponed indefinitely” due to prayer.

  Frankie: "So it cost him, like, over…cost her [Amelia] over 2 million… This guy [Noah] got a Mercedes. Some folks just get away with scams." [58:36, 71:42]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On scam confidence:
  Laci: "Sociopaths are the ones who know it's wrong but do it anyway. Psychopaths don't even feel bad. That's what we're dealing with here." [59:53]
• On eco-scams:
  Laci: “We’ve all been paying for that one turtle with a straw in its nose ever since.” [11:33]
• On old money drama:
  Laci: “You know what can really hurt a rich person? Fucking up something old. Old money loves to pretend there needs to be a level—'oh, you just got your money, we’ve been inbred for generations.’ That’s culture.” [51:17]
• On “nature scammers” theme:
  Laci: "I love that these were nature scammers. He's like, 'I'ma be in the poop and the shit, and I'm gonna tell you I need an ark.' Then you got Amelia and Arthur poisoning the trees…just natural scams everywhere." [74:27]
• Scam tip for dating apps:
  Laci: "If your first profile picture is a group photo, you don't have confidence. And also, who are you exactly?" [15:51]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Scam or Scheme? (Uber Eats Priority, Paper Straws, Dating App VIP): 03:33–16:46
• Dating Profile Tips: 15:24–17:16
• Historic Hoodwinks: The Old Money Tree Murders—Case intro and gossip: 22:30–29:04
• Uncle "Kit" Bond & Waterboarding tangent: 29:04–33:24
• The tree poisoning, investigation, and fallout: 43:03–63:24
• Scammer of the Week: Ghana’s Prophet Noah & the indefinite flood: 63:24–74:27
• Final thoughts, guest plugs, and stay-schemin’ sendoff: 74:47–75:30

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Conclusion

This episode is a stellar blend of true crime, rich-people mess, and everyday scam awareness, all delivered with Laci Mosley’s signature wit and irreverence. Frankie Quiñones matches her energy with sharp observations and plenty of laughs, making the episode a must-listen for fans of both true crime and comedy.
Don't forget: Stay schemin', and maybe keep an eye on your neighbor's gardening habits.

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Come on, let's take all of it.

[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

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[Lacey Mosley]

Ask your doctor about eglis and visit ebglis.lilly.com or call 1-800-lilyrx or 1-800-545-5979. Scams C robbery and Frauds Scam Cause Robbery and Fraud Scam Goddess what's poppin? Congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Back with you and the podcast all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But what's guaranteed is that we will laug them but never the victims. Cause this is still a comedy podcast. Congregation, go ahead and stand up. We have we have a member of the congregation returning to service on High Holiday. Okay, you know that's when people like to come back is when it's time to worship and, you know, and then the church is very crowded and we got overflow. But I love a. I love a bedside scammer. Yes. So you know him from his role as Creeper in the Cholo Fitz sketch comedy web series and from his lead role in Hulu's this Fool, which such an amazing comedy show. You've heard his voice as Maria Theresa on the Cartoon Network series Victor and Valentino. You've also seen him in St. Denis Medical, which is so funny, what we do. In the Shadows and his latest project, Plantman and a Dress up gang film. Yes. Congregation, please stand up. I know it's hard to clap right now because the church is full, but y' all get up and y' all clap. And welcome back this amazing, funny fool, Frankie Quinones.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. What's up? What's up, Lacey? Thanks for having me back.

[Lacey Mosley]

What's up, boo? I think it's very funny that the first role was Creeper. I was like, this fool. No. It's so good to see you again.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, good to see you too.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the OG listeners, if y' all remember, y' all remember, during the pandemic, me and Frankie did a very fun episode about his scams and schemes. You can go back and listen to that. Yes, yes, I know.

[Frankie Quinones]

It's all coming back to me now. Now that we're sitting here, I'm like, oh, shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? It was wild, but it was fun. Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

Ye.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, Frankie, you know, we do things a little different these days, and I want to get your expert opinion on a few things. So this segment is called is it a scam, Is it a scheme, or is it a real thing? So these are just your opinions. There are no wrong answers.

[Frankie Quinones]

All right, let's do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So the first one I have for you, is it a scam? Is it a scheme? Is it a real thing? Uber Priority deliveries. Like Uber eats Priority delivery or like Postmates? Priority delivery. Any date. Any, like, dating? Honestly, I am dating. Food apps. That's the apps I'm on. We have a better relationship than anybody else. But, like, so, on any food delivery app, do you think, like, hitting that extra 299, whatever it. 199, 299 for priority delivery. Do you think that's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing?

[Frankie Quinones]

I think it's a. It's a scheme, but. Well, the thing is, I'll gamble that sometimes I won't pay for priority and then they will make other stops. And I'm like, damn, you know, but it's like a gamble, you know, for me. But then, you know, when I pay it, they always do come right to me. So I don't know. I don't know. I do feel like I'm getting scammed. But then it's like, I don't want cold, you know, food either. So it's like, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also like, that should be a part of it no matter what. Exactly. Like, you used to order food directly from the place that made the food and they weren't like, now do you want us to drop it off hot or cold? No. Then you, obviously. Well, I gotta pay for things that should. That used to just be a thing.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, right. It was already like that before, so I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sometimes.

[Frankie Quinones]

And if the spot is close, I'll get really pissed off. Though sometimes the spot's close to my path and then I'll be like, well, I'm not going to pay for priority because obviously they're going to come here first and then they don't. If I don't pay for priority, they're like, nah, let's send them over here.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, being a wild.

[Frankie Quinones]

He didn't pay for the priority.

[Lacey Mosley]

Around the world.

[Frankie Quinones]

And I'm like. And I'll be like, obsessed. I'm watching the little homie on the app, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm like, oh, he's going there, huh?

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, okay. So I look at the time. So you, the way that your eye, your brain is working is fascinating, ladies, to me. Because I'm like, okay, if it's supposed to come at this time, if I pay for priority, the time window is like, what, three minutes fast or five minutes faster. I'm like, oh, that they gonna come at this time anyway. I never thought like to look at the app, like I was following them like me and be like, they better not be making no stops. It's a left at my house. Hell you going to. I know.

[Frankie Quinones]

I spent so much time like stalking that poor homie driver or whatever.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why you want the one on one? I don't need to be on the 101. I'm like, I could have just went

[Frankie Quinones]

and picked it up myself. The time I'm invest, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

But it be that way sometimes when you in the house, you be in the house.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know about other people, but like when I get in the house, there's certain amount of things that I do. If the shoes are off, the fit is off, the makeup off, whatever it is. Like, I'm not Going outside, I'm just

[Frankie Quinones]

like, I don't want to deal with the parking, this and that. Just. Yeah, yeah, Just bring it to me on me. But I'm going to stalk you on the. On the app.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I never thought about that. Maybe that's a good litmus test, because I. Okay. Liam Neeson.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I got a special set of skills. What I do know is my burrito bowl better be dropped off first.

[Frankie Quinones]

If you paid for a priority service, I will find you.

[Lacey Mosley]

Finding you is my priority. You thought it was just priority for me? It's priority for you too. Cause looking at you is my priority. I'm gonna know where you at. I never thought about it like that. No, I just look at the time. That's why I say it's a scheme, too. Because people that I know who've worked for Uber and different little deep dives I've done, they were like, sometimes, like, if. Especially depending on how much you order, like, that. That priority service, like, they're, like, hoping you hit that button for extra coin, but she was gonna get at the same time.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, I don't. Does a driver get. Cause, you know, back in the day, I did, like, doordash, and so I had. I'm real, like, you know, I always try to tip well and stuff like that because I remember when I was on my grind, when people wouldn't tip or that you're like, oh, you know, you're, like, banking on that. I want me to have, like, a good day, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

But yeah, yeah, I tip, too, because, like, well, I tip, period. I was always gonna tip, but I try to leave a good tip because I need you to get in the elevator that's unlocked and come to my door. So I'm paying for that extra time to do that. But if you fling it outside, we got an issue.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I live upstairs, too, and if they don't bring it to the top of the stairs, it's like, oh, come on, homie. You know what I mean?

[Lacey Mosley]

And in this economy, I've tried not to take away people's tips with, like, don't piss me off. Don't leave it in the bush.

[Frankie Quinones]

Do the drivers get a piece of the priority fee, though? No, See, that's what I'm like. Ugh.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. You know, they barely getting a piece of their wages.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know, I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's why Doordash had that settlement. I worked for Doordash for one day, and I did get $10 from the sett.

[Frankie Quinones]

Hey, congratulations.

[Lacey Mosley]

I stole my wages. I Did one Taco Bell delivery and I said, this is.

[Frankie Quinones]

And you got 10 bucks for that?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I got 10 bucks. I was like, this is not for me. And I should have known because at the time, like, it was very much giving scam energy. Because when I signed up for Doordash to do a drive, like be a driver, I just moved to LA and I was like in my early 20s and I went to the doordash signup and it was at this address. And I'm like, oh, okay, this must be their headquarters or whatever. While we get there. It's like an emptied out storefront. They got one table. It definitely looked like it was from Walmart. It was like, you know, the picnic or like that, you know, when you having a play Walmart table. You know when you having a birthday party for a niece with the family outside at a public park and then y' all go get a table and it's that plastic table.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah. It's like the, whatever, the metal frames

[Lacey Mosley]

that you can fold up and slide back in the car. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what they had. No tablecloth or nothing. No doordash emblem. They had food warming bags on the table and then you sat in a room and they had like a projector screen, like, you know, the ones you can get on the Internet, and they projected it onto a white wall to like give us the spiel.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then they gave us a doordash card and the doordash bag and sent us on our way.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow. Yeah, I remember, man, I was grateful that that came out though, because I kept getting fired from my restaurant jobs because I kept.

[Lacey Mosley]

What does that have to do with doordash?

[Frankie Quinones]

Well, because then I was able to. Doordash, you know, you make your own schedule. And I didn't have to get fired, but.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Frankie Quinones]

Because I had to go. I had like a previous, like DUI and all this. I had to go to like pay to get it expunged just so I could do doordash, you know.

[Lacey Mosley]

So we both agree it's, it's, it's a bit of a scheme. So next one scam scheme or real thing? The environmentalists might get on you for this one, but paper straws. Oh, man, it's so stressful. I know. And it's. They've been around for so long and they still stress me. What do you think?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, because, man, you know, I get it. You know they have the vegetable oil straws. Yeah. I think that's what in n out uses.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are those the brown ones?

[Frankie Quinones]

They're. Well, they. They're like normal plastic straws, but they're made out of, like.

[Lacey Mosley]

But. But if you bend them, they crack.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, but the. But the paper ones, they don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they get limp in your mouth. They get limpy.

[Frankie Quinones]

They get soggy quick. And it's like, you don't want to be sucking on that soggy little stick. It feels a little nasty. But.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I'm like, are we really doing.

[Frankie Quinones]

But is it really doing anything? Yeah, exactly.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just think about how billionaires are destroying the planet, and now we have so many new wars. And who I feel like is my paper straw. Combating drone strike.

[Frankie Quinones]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I think somebody. The paper straw, homie, made a deal with some politicians and was like, no, here's how we're going to do this. And then we're going to make some money off some paper straws.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, just imagine the paper straw lobbyist. He shows up like broad man to Capitol Hill. It's like, opens his coat and there's so many. He's like, y' all get onto these paper straws, okay? They cheaper. We make people feel bad. We get them in restaurants.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get them everywhere.

[Frankie Quinones]

We're gonna make bank, homie. We're gonna make bank. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, maybe we just need to make straws. Like, chapstick. You get one in your car, you got one at home, and like. Like a metal straw, you got one in your car, you got one at home, and you gotta travel one.

[Frankie Quinones]

Keep one on a keychain.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, on the keychain. And then you pop that out for the restaurants. Maybe that's the real way to save the planet. But I just. I really just think paper straws are. I think they're. I'm gonna say scheme, because, like, I don't. I want to help the planet. But, you know, there was that one turtle that had a straw in its nose, and we've been paying for that bitch ever since.

[Frankie Quinones]

Turtle is a cocaine addict.

[Lacey Mosley]

And look, so this is the straw that you were talking about, the biodegradable. Like, I knew it was brown. Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, no. Yeah, but it's hard, though, right? Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So these are the hard ones. So they.

[Frankie Quinones]

But they do crack easily. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Boba straw. Okay. They just don't look appetizing. Like, I don't want to drink an orange Fanta out of this. Yeah. Personally, Jess, I don't want to eat the straw. Well, like, I don't even want to put it in my drink. It's funny.

[Frankie Quinones]

You're so specific. With an orange Fanta. Yeah, you drink that out of a straw.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's important. She's like, this is my relaxation activity when I get home. What you mean? Don't you wanna. Yes. Okay. I. You know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna say scheme on Capitol Hill, but we'll say, I guess, scam scheme or real thing? Last one here. Paying VIP for dating apps. So, like, you know, you can do use a dating app for free, but paying VIP for premium dating apps? Do you think that's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, man, I don't know. I've been. You know, I've been involved in that.

[Lacey Mosley]

You say it like it's crime. Well, I know, because I'm like, it doesn't. It didn't work out for me.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm like, it doesn't feel like a waste of time, but, like, just to get more swipes, you know, when you're being all thirsty, like, I'm lonely right now, homie. I need more swipes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I need premium swipes.

[Frankie Quinones]

So, I mean, you do get more swipes, but. But, yeah, I think it's a scheme.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think it's a scheme, too. Almost in the way of, like, Uber, where it used to just be like, you're ordering your. And they bring you your food. Then they realize they could add a fee by being like, well, we could bring you your food directly, or you could wait till it gets cold, you raggedy bitch.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

And now they're like, oh, we could show you everybody on the dating app right now, but we not gonna do that no more. We'll show you six uggos. If you want to see everybody, you better give us six ugos. You better give us this VIP fee, you horny, lonely bitch.

[Frankie Quinones]

We know you're lonely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you all here. Scrolling. It's 11pm who you think you gonna meet on 11pm on a Thursday with your lonely ass?

[Frankie Quinones]

You need more swipes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think it's a bit of a scheme.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, for sure. And I was a sucker to that. Like, yeah, you're right. I do need more swipes. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, I've done it too. I was like, maybe if you do the premium you need. Like, this is like having a matchmaker, but it's cheaper.

[Frankie Quinones]

I could swipe right on the one tonight if I just pay this fee.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then the algorithm's like, this is somebody we think you might like. And then I look, and they're like. I'm like, why would y' all think I like this brush. In the hobby section, it said the dark. That's they hobby is the dark. What does that mean? What does that mean?

[Frankie Quinones]

The dark. This is your perfect match.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't think so.

[Frankie Quinones]

I like the dark, too, I guess.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess, you know, it'd be. It's nighttime everywhere for everybody at some point. Like, they, like, lower your standards. They're like, we got one for you. They are breathing.

[Frankie Quinones]

They walk, they breathe.

[Lacey Mosley]

Do you want to go to coffee with breathing or not? You have 30 seconds.

[Frankie Quinones]

Coffee with breathing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Breathing is a hot commodity.

[Frankie Quinones]

Coffee. It's available on Thursday. What you got?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, y' all think they have, like, an algorithm for, you know, because you. You input all your information, right? And your hobbies and stuff. Do you guys think that those apps have an algorithm for, like, bad dudes? Like, guys that are clearly red flags, that they're like, here are the free. Free dudes that you can swipe on and then pay us, and we'll give you all the quality flag dudes. Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

Whoa.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh.

[Frankie Quinones]

I never thought about it like that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, VIP could be paying for more quality.

[Frankie Quinones]

I don't know. I feel like that'd be a lot of vetting.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I don't know. Because if you think about it, like, on dating apps, you know, you're gonna see some things for certain people talking about pineapple on pizza, people talking about tacos, people with photos of them fishing. You know, you're gonna get photos like, I'm so sorry. Like, please take this as a scam tip out there. If you are on a dating app, the first main profile picture, no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, should not be a group photo, because what that tells me about you is that you don't feel confident. And also, who are you exactly? Who are you?

[Frankie Quinones]

I get annoyed with clothes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Clearly not the fine one. If it's a fine one in there, you not the fine one. Why are you trying to scam you at a wedding? It's six motherfuckers in this photo.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

The tall one with a good head of hair ain't you. Because if it was, you would have cropped them out.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm fine adjacent, though. Don't trip.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, is what you're telling me I can hang out with you and then meet your friends and make me meet my soulmate? Because then maybe we could talk. Like, I do.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know. I get annoyed when the first picture's a group picture. I'm just. I always just swipe. I'm like, come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, come on. What are you trying to do?

[Frankie Quinones]

Which one is it?

[Lacey Mosley]

Or also, there's a lot of men, I think specifically men who were attractive in the wild, and y' all just got bad lighting, bad camera angles. And honestly, I kind of love that a little bit because I'm like, okay, like, you know, but just maybe just post pictures that other people take of you. Because them pictures be giving me, like, murderer, you know?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, I always have. I have the homegirl like, check my shit out, you know? And they have been like, no, what are you doing? Why this one? You know? Da, da. Shit, I don't know. You know?

[Lacey Mosley]

See, and that's what a smart straight man does, okay? Cause the gay men, no, they know the angles, they know the lighting. They got everything but, like, the straight man be like, here's me with a fish. And we, like. We don't. Like, please, please.

[Frankie Quinones]

17 pound bass right here. Check this out. Mia.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, why you looking them eyes at me like that? Like, come on, dude.

[Frankie Quinones]

I put my profile name one time as Funky Frankie. My homegirl's like, what are you doing? Where am I funky?

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, no.

[Frankie Quinones]

Cause you know I like funky shit. No. Yeah, like, you gotta like. And I'm like, oh, shit. I didn't even think about that. She's like, yeah, no, not gang girl gonna like that. Like, Funky Frank, sounds like you smell. And I was like, damn, I didn't even trip out that. But yes, Glad I ran it by her.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, men, please take off those photos of you posing with a celebrity doing this.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah,

[Lacey Mosley]

we know you don't know them. This finger says, this is a stranger, right? Think about how many times you've taken a photo with a friend and been like, no, you what a stranger. Babes, dude.

[Frankie Quinones]

My homegirl sent me a screenshot. She was on a dating app, and a dude had me and him in front of the Comedy Store. It was one of his profile pictures or, like, his pictures. But she was like, do you know him? Cause he. It looked like he made it look

[Lacey Mosley]

like, hey, we're homies. That's. That's that type of shit. That's what type of shit? See, that's how you do it. If you don't do it, that's how you do it. You lean. You don't gotta touch the person to disrespect their space, but you just lean in a little bit and you kind of just like. Or even be talking a little bit during it. Like.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, remember that one time? Remember that fish we caught in Mammoth? Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's how you do it the second you start polishing. We like we know you don't know that. Put the finger up. Put it away. That's our scam tips for y'. All. Okay, Frankie, these were great. I love your opinions on all of these. I think you've got some you're giving the people hope.

[Frankie Quinones]

I hope so.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

I know, I know. My bad, baby.

[Lacey Mosley]

How did you get into this country club? Oh, I work in H Vac. Oh, Hvac people make a lot of money. We're letting in H Vac people know. Yes, they make a lot of money. But anyways, we had a wealthy couple in Maine and they poisoned an L.L. bean heiress trees to give their house a better waterfront view. And it's tearing the community apart. So look, these are the trees. Now look at the trees that are erect.

[Frankie Quinones]

The trees that are erect, right? Yeah, there's a handful of erect trees there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now Jess, are we looking at pre poison? No, this is post poison.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, these ones in the middle.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now look at the trees that. Yeah. So you see the ones that.

[Frankie Quinones]

Okay, so this is the L.L. bean, homie. Right up front. Okay. And then there's house in the back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so the L.L. bean House in the front. You see how they got they foliage all low in the front. They got a cute little bush so they can have a cute little view. And when you get to a certain like elevation of rich, like stupid things like this have to become your priority because you don't worry about bills or things that would fulfill you as a human being, like hobbies. So they start buying airspace so you can't build too high. They also, which is like how you own the air, bitch. Like, we've let rich people get away with too much. You can't own air. And also they start buying like building rights so you can't build above a certain amount because it decreases the property value of the things that you're building over because you're obstructing their views. So the LLB house, they said views for us, no views for y'. All. Because in the front you see how their trees are like erect on the sides, but then they got like mini bush maze happening in the front. So the view is cute in the back of their house where you see them. So you see these luscious tre in the back. And then the right in the middle is some burnt ass, skinny ass, fucking dead ass, branch ass trees that are clearly tall as hell. Those trees are in the LLB in people's backyard. So this wealthy couple decided we want a better waterfront view. And since we can't cut your trees, we're gonna murder them.

[Frankie Quinones]

Damn rich people are crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

But honestly, this is my type of rich people activity.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, let me soften your voice.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly though, you're, you're, you're not out bothering nobody but other rich people who are hoarding resources. Like, this is a crime.

[Frankie Quinones]

Rich people on rich people. Crime.

[Lacey Mosley]

Rich people on rich people. Crime is beautiful. More of this, stop bothering us, you know, like fight amongst yourselves. Because now rich people want to be seen so badly. And that's very strange to me. Like, it used to be that rich people circled around other rich people. They had their circles, they wore their clothes and they followed their own loser ass trends and they never bothered us. But then with social media, all of

[Frankie Quinones]

a sudden they, yeah, they want to get involved.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now not only do I need to be rich, I need you to see me being rich and I need you to see me. And it's like, no, we don't need

[Frankie Quinones]

to know your place.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it's like, no, we don't need to know, like, are you rich in a forest? If, if you didn't burn it down to destroy the planet, if no one could see you burn down a forest to destroy the Planet. Did you even do it? That's wild. What? You didn't. So the tree killers are a politically connected couple who aren't actually from New England. They summer in Maine, but they live in Brooklyn most of the time, so they're not even from the society. I think that's why the girls got their panties in the loo. Cause you just summer in here, which means you're an outsider. Okay? You're not here for the spring petunia bowl. You're not here for the. A fall festival. You're not getting involved with bitchy rich people Main politics year round.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right? Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And so Amelia Bond used to be an investment banker, and then she became the head of the St. Louis Community Foundation, a nonprofit for wealthy charitable investors in Missouri for 12 years. And then she retired during the tree drama. Now, this is her. And wait, she's a. She's a tree murderer?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So she. She used to be, like, working, you know, as an investment banker. So she probably was, you know, wolf of Wall street in it. I mean, judging by their ages, they definitely had, you know, something to do with the 2008 financial crisis. Probably got real rich. It's. It's giving the nose is giving babes back in the day. You don't even know. I did so much cocaine, and I was. That girl.

[Frankie Quinones]

She.

[Lacey Mosley]

She definitely had a plug. Cause, you know, she looks like, like, now she looks like an older, like, distinguished scarf lady. But something about that gold chain and them earrings and those bright blue eyes, and even her smile is given. Like, back in the day, her hair was longer, and everybody knew she had a bag of that good white white on the stock market. She kept everybody up from Dow closed to Dow open. They was doing financial crimes. And so then she did enough crime that she. She. She was like, okay, I'm rich enough that I'm just gon a nonprofit so I could keep laundering money in Missouri. Mind you, she was doing crime in Wall street. And then she was like, let me go to Missouri with this money and start this nonprofit.

[Frankie Quinones]

And she switched from cocaine to pills. You can see in her eyes. Look.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you can't. She was like, I need to slow down. She was like, I can't do drugs like I used to. It's really in the eye.

[Frankie Quinones]

It is.

[Lacey Mosley]

But honestly, she's such a good. Like, she took her Missouri wardrobe and brought it back to Maine. Her whole attire is given. She blended in in Missouri, that scarf. But that chain is giving me New York City, baby. That chain is giving me, like, she'll put that on when she had to go uptown to get the. Get the stash for everybody. Like she knows things. Her eyes. Oh, the pools of secrets. So her husband, Arthur Bond iii, she married a third, is an architect and the nephew of Christopher Kit Bond, the former longtime Republican senator of Missouri. So no wonder she did her charity in Missouri. Cause she could go to Missouri and she'd get all the board charity lights, you know, helping her man. Also anybody who is named Christopher and they go by Kits. We know what's up. Yeah, we watched, we. We watched industry babes. We know Kits.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, there he is. Oh, he looks Republican as well too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at his hair though. He should have been in politics. Cause the hair is giving kids. I'm kind of into the vibe. He leaned into the lore and like whatever moose he was putting in that. Like whatever he did.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yep. The three piece suit too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh yeah. And in Missouri.

[Frankie Quinones]

Buttoned all up in Missouri.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Kit is. Was popping. Right. And remember, Kit is the uncle of Arthur Bond, who is married to Amelia Bond, our baddie, who you know is a good time gal. So before Kit died. And this is the prominent uncle with the great hair. In 2009 when he passed, he had an exceptionally low rating from the environmental watchdog group. Got the watchdogs on your ass. Republicans for environmental Protection. That was. We know Republicans ain't never been for no environmental protection. So if they give you a low rating, what are you up to?

[Frankie Quinones]

You're up to something.

[Lacey Mosley]

When Republicans for environmental protection are like, wait a minute, sums up with this guy. It feels like you must be pretty shady, my guy, because they don't really step up. So this was all due to Kit the uncle's never ending attempts to ban same sex marriage and famously comparing waterboarding to swimming, which. Let's see this video of Kit talking about this to his constituents.

[Frankie Quinones]

Let's see this.

[Lacey Mosley]

His con. Kituance, if you will, just would like to. But do you think that. That waterboarding, as I described it, constitutes torture?

[Frankie Quinones]

There are different ways of doing it. It's like swimming, freestyle, backstroke, if the, if the. If it. Water boarding could be used almost to define some of the techniques that our trainees are put through. But that's beside the point. It's not, it's not being used. Wow. He said freestyle backstroke.

[Lacey Mosley]

You ain't ever done the butterfly waterboard. You know, they like you in the chair, but they like move your arms this way, move your arms that way. What do you mean? This is torture.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, bro.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, waterborne ain't torture. It's like.

[Frankie Quinones]

It's like. It's like swimming, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like swimming.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

What do you mean? And also, like, can we do a side by side of like. That's what he looked like. You know what? He was probably saying crazy shit back when he had that nice ass hair and that suit. And people were distracted by him being a charismatic white man because he's tall with a full head of hair and a jawline. And then when he got older, they were like, wait a minute, something's up here. Waterboarding to swimming. He was like, Guantanamo. No, it's a vacation. It's a vacation home. Like, what do you mean?

[Frankie Quinones]

It's an island retreat.

[Lacey Mosley]

Solitary confinement. Haven't you ever wanted to have some peace of mind alone? It's like a silent disco, but in the dark. Ain't no food.

[Frankie Quinones]

Meditate, you know, get spiritual.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's meditation. Yeah, it's meditation.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. We want you to find yourself.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, Ooh. Like, he tried it, but wow. So in 2018, and honestly, that was when Republicans had more decency where they were like, sir, we have to really stop you now. They're like, y' all can just say anything. I feel bad for old school Republicans who just wanted to keep their money and cheat the system, cuz now you gotta be down with all these racists. Now.

[Frankie Quinones]

They're like, hold on, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, we just wanted to keep our money and not be benevolent, bro.

[Frankie Quinones]

Just wanted to get my tax breaks.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wanted my tax breaks, and now I gotta wear a red hat and lose a tooth. We didn't sign up for this. That's not what we signed up for. Lose a tooth. Okay? We just wanted to hide money in the Caymans, okay? Not give back to our communities. That's it.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

We didn't want to have to get down with all of this.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's why I'll never forget the. The insurrection when the orange man was like, these people who showed up for me are very ugly.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Embarrassed.

[Frankie Quinones]

They're not attractive people.

[Lacey Mosley]

But you thought they were gonna come as suits. No. These are the people who support you, okay? They hooligans to the nth degree. Those are the free swipes.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, right, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Frankie Quinones]

We're living.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And. And we're.

[Frankie Quinones]

We're watching below day live.

[Lacey Mosley]

And Camden is a small town of just 5,000 people. So you got 5,000 people and they're rich. Now we're. We're getting into the mess like Nicole Kidman. Next miniseries, go to Camden. Okay? Get. Get the next bad wig. Give me whatever accent you want to give me. I do not care. I will watch it. Have somebody wash ashore in Camden. We need it. So 93% of the people who live there are Hawaii white. And It's a picturesque.

[Frankie Quinones]

93%.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, 93% Caucasian. Lovely, lovely. Don't mind if I do. And this is why. And honestly, like, that's why there would never be world peace. Because when white people are left to their own devices, when they price things out and they're racially discriminatory. Right. And we get a 93% white area. They still fighting?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Yup. They're gonna find something to trip on.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're find something to be upset about. And so, you know, mostly they have mountains, right. It meets the Atlantic Ocean and it overlooks a bay filled with lobster boats, yachts and schooners. Isn't that a nickname for some schooner?

[Frankie Quinones]

Schooner. Schooner.

[Lacey Mosley]

Schooner, please. So schooners plowed half the town. What a horn dog. What a Casanov. So it's like a bay that you could tragically not fully see from Amelia and Arthur's. Their house, the Bond's house, because of these oak trees that were blocking their home. Now, mind you, they've been scamming on Wall street, scamming in Missouri, scamming in St. Louis. And so now they decided to get them a rich people stay away home. You know, that's where you go when you get in the newspapers and you need the heat to die down.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And now they don't even have the view on the home. So the town's assessor says that properties in Camden have scales of ocean View, including obstructed view. Obstructed seasonal view, Average ocean view. Good ocean view, Very good clean ocean view. Panoramic ocean view. Yeah. So these are the ocean views that you can have. And this scale determines the value of your home. Mm. So I would imagine the bonds bought this home thinking like, we've been big shit in the big city, We've been big shit in Missouri. Cause we're located with all the politicians. So now we go to Maine, we be at this million dollar home. And now we go into the main tea parties and shit. And everyone's like, oh, where do you live? Oh, you live behind the lobs.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, you have the obstructed view, huh?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, so all you see is trees. Mortimer, Mortimer, come here. They're the ones who bought the LLB home. They all they see is trees. They've never seen a schooner. Oh, I can't wait to tell the children when they come home from college to get money. So for much of the year, when the trees were bare, the bonds had a fairly unobstructed view. But in the summer months, the foliage created a natural screen. Oh, no, the foliage, like, they probably went from like very good ocean view or maybe even good ocean view to obstructed seasonal view. The ghetto obstructed seasonal view. I would not be seen in your cul de sac.

[Frankie Quinones]

Ugh.

[Lacey Mosley]

You want me to come in your roundabout with an obstructed seasonal view?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

My social status will be through the ground. So for like, they had it though. They had the obstructed seasonal. So if only they could get the full season. Yeah, if only they could get rid of.

[Frankie Quinones]

So they must. They must have bought it when it was.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was.

[Frankie Quinones]

It was bare. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was probably a good realtor who sold them the home during the good view season. And they probably marked up the home because of the view.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, they're like, look, there it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

And remember these people, we learned in the beginning that Amelia and Arthur, they mostly live in Brooklyn. Like, Brooklyn. They somehow in Maine.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, so that's the only time.

[Lacey Mosley]

So maybe they bought the house in the summer because they all sympathetic with the black.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

In the summer right now, like, yeah, they kind of did. Like, he gets scammed. They bought it in the summer because they wanted to see the season they were going to be seasoning at.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Then they upcharged them for the view because they're like, these are out of town city slickers who have no idea that this is a obstructed. They don't Know if they don't know about the foliage.

[Frankie Quinones]

The foliage.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, listen, I don't want to be on your side, but I'm on your side a little bit.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, I mean, a little bit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think that, I think y' all paid a little bit too much. Cause they got you because they knew you weren't from the area. But.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, then it's like, but did they, did they have other beef or did they know them? Did they. Was there an interaction? I mean, I'm sure you're probably going to get to it, but like, you

[Lacey Mosley]

know, was it like when people can smell. When you don't know things? Right. And I feel like in certain situations, you know, like you have your car salesman, you have your realtors, like when you're selling a property or an item that only has as much value as you put onto it, then that's where you have to have a finesser to come in and tell you that it's worth that. So, like, for example, if I buy an expensive piece of jewelry, but like, let's say it's like Cartier or something like that, right? That has a price tag on it. It may be expensive, but it has a price tag on it. Now let's say I go to a jeweler who makes custom pieces and it's all real gold. It might be the same ingredients they're using at the Cartier store. Right. But they are now assigning the value based on how you feel. So if you come in and you were like, I'm only spending this, probably sell it to you for that much. But if you come in and they can give you a little razzle dazzle, they gonna up charge you. Right, right. So I feel like with this real estate, they might have been like an unobstructed view in this in the summertime. In the summertime, yeah, don't worry about that.

[Frankie Quinones]

The season.

[Lacey Mosley]

But right now you can see everything later. Don't even worry about that.

[Frankie Quinones]

You know, they don't know they're.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they're not from here, so they don't know about season changes. So their neighbor happened to be Lisa Gorman, the wife of late Leon Gorman, who had been L.L. bean's president and the grandson of actual LL himself, making her a wealthy heiress and basically main royalty. So. Oh yeah, she looks like a socialite. She looks like she plans all the gatherings. Is that her man?

[Frankie Quinones]

Is that. That's her man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, wait.

[Frankie Quinones]

So he was a president of L.L. bean.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he's the grandson. So he nepoed a little bit. Because L.L. bean, like the actual L.L. himself, is the grandfather. So he is the president and grandson of the actual ll. And if you don't know what LL Bean is, it's like, like outdoorsy shit. Like, you know, like jackets and boots, a lot of waterproof boots and things like that. I once dated somebody who loved L.L. bean and I had some L.L. bean boots and then I returned them.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like outdoorsy J. Crew, but up.

[Lacey Mosley]

I like to hike, but I'm bougie if you know, you know. But also, this man looks significantly older than her. And he also just looks. I could tell in her day she was like the baddie baddy. She got on the Van Cleef necklace. Like, she kept that body tight and fit. And she hosted all the parties and events and made sure that all the coup de grasp.

[Frankie Quinones]

Looking good.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but that's like a main haircut that I feel like was probably popping in society. Like, that's like the Rachel for people in Maine, I feel like. And he looks happy to be with her. Look how he's smiling all hard.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, that's my lady, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Mouth dry as hell. I know. After he finished that smile, he was bleeding.

[Frankie Quinones]

And he don't even have no upper lip. Look at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, no, no, no. That's a part of being in Maine, you know, if you got an upper lip, you don't belong here. Okay.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her too. You're right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. If you gonna be on the upper list of society. I know you heard of upper crust. We talk about upper lip of society. You got too much lip. We need to check your lineage, cuz. How did you get over here? We 93%. We 93%. So Leon Linwood Bean founded the Freeport, Maine based outdoor apparel in 1912. Right? So it. She a old school diva and she's like royalty there because she's that girl. And this is the photo of the original L.L. bean out in the woods.

[Frankie Quinones]

He has a lot of foliage behind him.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he also. But it's giving L.L. bean because he was like, yeah, I'mma be in the woods, but I got a walking stick. I got a jacket with buttons on and a collar, bitch. I'm out here to like shoot, duck, and be a baddie. He was like, I don't want to look like I'm a regular woodsman. I'm not out here to chop a tree. I'm not a lumberjack. I'm upper crust.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

But we like nature. So in 2014, Lisa's husband, I remember Lisa's the L.L. bean, now heiress because she married into the family.

[Frankie Quinones]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in 2014, Lisa's husband Leon was the richest person in Maine. But in 2015, he passed away. When he passed away, Lisa became the richest person in Maine. And now she don't got no husband. So all she has is time and money.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, con, we love this too much. Frankie. Can we be neighbors at some point and wreak havoc?

[Frankie Quinones]

Let's do it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So convenient. Tree deaths. Sometime in the spring of April 22, a caretaker noticed that several of the trees on Lisa's property. Property were struggling. They were struggling for life. They were withered with leaves turning yellow and brown. And not at the time that they're supposed to. Okay, not an ugly tree, honey. The failing trees were along the property line that divided Lisa's house from her uphill neighbors. The bonds. And remember the bonds. Okay. They did the stocks and bonds in New York, and they also did the bonding and St. Louis. So when the trees and other vegetation began dying in June, which is a summer month, Strange. Amelia told Lisa that the trees didn't look good and offered to split the cost of cutting them down. So Amelia came over to Lisa, the granddaughter of Maine, and she said, oh my goodness. Lisa, girl. Lisa, we're back from Brooklyn and I just wanted to say, like, you are the grandam of Maine and your trees look like ass. Would you like, want me to help you with the cost of cutting them down since they're so ugly?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Interesting.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I don't know why they're so ugly. I don't know what you did to them. I don't know. Maybe since your husband died, you don't know how to take care of a tree anymore. Was he the green thumb? Who knows. L.L. bean with a bad tree. Bad for the branch.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, we need to do something about this.

[Lacey Mosley]

L.L. bean only has green trees. So she said it might have been due to brown tailed marble moths, a pest that had been causing some trouble for Maine's oak trees recently. So Amelia even had a story. She said, have you not seen them brown tail moths? Cuz I done seen them.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, look it up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. They were gnawing on my sweater. Then I saw them gnawing on my tree. I was like, get out of here, brown tail. M I fight you. And when I saw them on your trees, I was like, I can't believe it. So do you want to split the cost of taking them down? Win, win. Ugly trees gone. Sneaky ass. So Lisa didn't buy it cause she's old school Main. She was like, I've been living here for many a season and ain't no brown tailed moth killed my trees. Right, bitch, you new here. So instead she asked her landscapers, and it says she asked, but I feel like she might have been yelling at them. So she asked her landscapers, Bartlett tree experts, to look at the trees. And they took soil and tissue samples. Ooh, that's.

[Frankie Quinones]

There they are.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is the experts.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they look, they got on vests, they got on hats. It's giving experts.

[Frankie Quinones]

They got the little pose and shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. And they posing with trees that all look pretty healthy. So they clearly are experts. And she asked them to take samples like she wanted Forensics. Remember, this is a widowed woman with the most money in Maine all the time. So she said, call out Mariska Harkins.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, not Marissa.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I need harkitay soil in order. SV leaves in order. Svu. Okay, y' all come out here, y' all get the droppers out and y' all get the petri dishes and like. Okay, get the samples. Special Crimes Unit. She said, don't play with me my money long. So their test came back positive for teboutheron.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, shit. Tebotharon.

[Lacey Mosley]

I couldn't believe it myself. I said, not the Teboutheron. Y' all wilding Teboutheron. Why would y' all do this? And that's a famous plant killer, if you don't know like me and Frankie, right?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it had spread to more than 80 trees, bushes and shrubs on Lisa's property, including maples, blueberry bushes, dogwoods, and seven mature oaks that towered over the houses, ranging from a 39 to 70 foot high level, 77 foot high level. So mind you, these trees take time to build.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ms. Gurley is in a 1912 dynasty. So now you're killing some of the legacy with these trees. And you know, at her big age, she probably walking the girls around the trees all the time.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they got a blueberry.

[Frankie Quinones]

You killing produce, you can't mess with the blueberries, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's been having a fresh blueberry smoothie and blueberries in her yogurt for forever and you fucking up the bag. Like me.

[Frankie Quinones]

Schooner. Pick me some berries, please.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, and the one thing that you can really hurt a rich person with is fucking up something old. Because old money loves to pretend like they need a level always. So if you get rich, then even if you go into that upper class, they'll be like, oh, well, you just got your money. Like, we're from an inbred family and we've had money for many, many, many, many generations.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's like their culture, you know? Like, I am cultured in money.

[Lacey Mosley]

So what Amelia didn't realize is that by fucking with them trees, she was fucking with a culture. Because these old ass trees, she was like, hell, you know, Papa Bean used to come scale this tree. It's where he came up with the raincoat. Papa Bean? Papa Bean, you fucking up the lore.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. And so the plants were beyond, beyond saving and would need to be removed. And because of the nature of the herbicide, which doesn't break down, the soil would have to be removed, too. So she basically salted to the earth this land. And what's wild to me about this is like, girl, if you go and poison this rich old lady trees.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why would you tell her? Why would you go over to her house? Like, I noticed that your trees are dying. Like, now she knows who the imminent threat. Her trees ain't been dyed since you moved in. And then you pulled your ass up to the block and was like, you wanna split the cost? Why are you, first of all, rich people. Rich people. Foul play. Number one, why would you do a crime and then even be near it? Trying to help. Okay, they have people do that, and then. And then they pretend they never even knew those people. Number two, which I think might be the bigger flaw here, if you're rich, a lot of people who are rich get there by being cheap and greedy. In fact, I'm gonna say all. You know what I mean? If you pay people a living wage, you could still be rich, but you wouldn't be like, maybe super ultra billionaire wealthy, 1912 money. Because you're paying people a fair wage, so you can still be rich and pay people fairly. But the last thing you would do would offer to split costs on something on someone else's property.

[Frankie Quinones]

Red flag.

[Lacey Mosley]

Huge red flag. I think that's honestly where Lisa was like, split cost.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, something's up.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's not.

[Frankie Quinones]

But it just makes me think of how much shit they got away with with their little charities in St. Louis and that they were probably been getting away with crazy shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

We thought Kit was saying anything. Kids said waterboarding, scuba diving, freestyle swimming. You know, it's a parasailing, freestyle swimming, it's all the same.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. They're like, yeah, just poison the trees and tell them you'll split the cost. Easy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hear me out. Waterboarding, boogie boarding. So they're used to unserious people and Getting away with these things.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the same chemical that had been used on the trees on Lisa's property had been used in a 2010 crime of passion by an. An angry 62 year old Alabama college football fan named Harvey Updike to kill famous oak trees at Auburn University's Toomer's Corner after a particularly hard Alabama loss against Auburn. So after a football loss against Auburn, Harvey admitted to killing the trees on the Auburn property, even calling a radio show to brag about it. And he did end up serving jail time. So he killed their. That's how mad he was is that he went into botany over a football game.

[Frankie Quinones]

I know how I'm gonna get him.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know how I'm gonna get him. Botany. Honestly, nobody should go to jail for botany. This is like lore. Like, just replace the trees. It's not that crazy. Like, don't fill up our prisons with people who. Who are petty to the nth degree. He said, I got a green thumb.

[Frankie Quinones]

What are you in for?

[Lacey Mosley]

Botany? Yes.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, Botney.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like at that point you gotta lie about your. You can't tell people that you in jail for botany. You know what I mean? You gotta be like, I killed a bunch of people or I killed a bunch of things in nature.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't say it's trees. I don't know.

[Frankie Quinones]

They were alive.

[Lacey Mosley]

I killed a bunch of alive things. Things were alive and now they're dead. Yeah. You gotta get real clear. Let's just say things that were living aren't living anymore. Yeah, that's.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, There you go. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Okay, cool. We won't beat you up. So in 2021, I'm gonna. Amelia Bond bought four pounds of this poison in Missouri and drove it to Maine. So she didn't have no paper trail. Okay. I kind of fucks with this. Driving it to Maine.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's where she applied it. Near Lisa's oak trees. This particular chemical contaminates the soil and does not break down. So it continues to kill plants. It kind of just spreads out. Unless you remove the soil, it's gonna live and keep killing. The other solution is waiting for nature to thin out the concentration of the herbicide for safe levels for plants. But that could take up to two years. And we know Lisa don't wait. No. She got money.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Things are instant for her. So let's look at Amelia Bond's house in that first picture again. So. Wow. Her house, all the brown trees around it that she murdered. And now she has a view even through the trees. But Amelia wasn't satisfied. I think that's why she went to Lisa's house and was like, lisa, girl, your trees are nasty. Will you cut them, and I'll help you cut them? And let's do it today.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, she got it.

[Lacey Mosley]

She got too greedy. So Lisa's trees are now gone, and the harbor view from the Bond's home has obviously improved. But the herbicide used to poison the trees leached into a neighboring park and the town's only public seaside beach. Bitch, you done poisoned the whole neighborhood.

[Frankie Quinones]

She poisoned the beach.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lisa, if you gonna be a brown thumb, at least get. Get on a Reddit, get on a website. I'm sure you can't be the only petty poisoner out there. And Fig, I think she got all this and just dumped it. She was like, I don't know how much it's gonna take. Let's do it all.

[Frankie Quinones]

They're big trees.

[Lacey Mosley]

And now she gonna put us in the whole goddamn neighborhood. So the bonds paid a $4,500 fee to resolve the main board of Pesticide Control boards violations for unauthorized use of an herbicide. And that was, like, obviously applied inappropriately and not allowed for residential use. And, you know, when you get into these kind of residences, the HOAs don't play. And then. And so they also had to pay $180,000 to resolve violations with the town and another $30,000 for additional environmental testing. This is what I'm gonna say, Amelia, for this point. Babes, babes, why were you trying to do this, like, insidious, like, you drove to a different city, probably bought all this tree poison and cash, maybe showed up in a hoodie and a hat and did all this with. You could have just hired a tree hitman and had somebody come cut these trees down in the middle of the night, or maybe hire, like, a private investigator. And when you see Lisa's, like, out on vacation or somewhere, have them buzz all them trees down. And, yeah, you would have had to pay Lisa, but you wouldn't have been a menace to the entire neighborhood. You wouldn't have had to pay 180,000. You probably would have had to pay that 100 grand. But the violations with the town, another 30,000 for environmental testing. And then you also had to pay more than 1.5 million to Lisa in a legal settlement, which almost as much as they paid for their actual vacation home that they bought in 2018. Babes, you could have just paid the 1.5. Or I bet you the settlement wouldn't have been as High if you hadn't poisoned the whole goddamn neighborhood.

[Frankie Quinones]

So it cost him, like, over. Cost her over 2 million?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause I bet you that Lisa got sympathy points in this rich people dispute because she was like, not only did they murder trees and plants that obviously have an L.L. bean history, my blueberries. They also took down the neighborhood park, which is where 7% of our ethnics like to play.

[Frankie Quinones]

It's the only place they have access on the beach.

[Lacey Mosley]

And this is gonna cause damage for years to come, Decades even. Like, girl, just hire a tree hitman. Like, you did too much. Yeah. So, Frankie, what are your thoughts about Emelia? Like, how do we feel like she is on the scammer scale? Like, do we love her? Do we hate her? Also, do we feel like she could have improved on this or maybe just left it alone? I don't know.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. No, it's. She's easy to hate for me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. But, like, I.

[Frankie Quinones]

It was. I wanted to like her because of her, you know, she liked to party and do cocaine, and now she does pills and. You know, But. Yeah, but, like, just to. It makes me think she's got away with so much for her to have the confidence to be like, okay, I'm gonna buy. Buy this tree poison. I'm gonna drive to our beach home. I'm gonna dump all this. It's gonna work out, like, to have that, like. Like, for your mind to work that way.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sociopath. Yeah. Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because sociopaths are the ones who know it's wrong but do it anyway. Right? And then psychopaths just have no idea. Like, they have no conscience.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Can we pull up the difference between the two? But I'm pretty sure, like, she's sociopathic,

[Frankie Quinones]

and I love blueberries. And you hurt.

[Lacey Mosley]

The blueberries do that.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Just sick.

[Lacey Mosley]

I agree with you. Because maybe it's that Wall street mindset of, like. Because we know she had to have been working through the housing market crisis, and obviously she made out like a fat cap, because then they went to political connections that they had in Missouri, which were clearly just a man who had a full head of hair, and they used that up and sucked that society dry. It didn't even have a name for the damn charity. We don't even know what they were charitable to. So it's giving, money laundering. Because they.

[Frankie Quinones]

Well, even the Republican.

[Lacey Mosley]

The head of the St. Louis Community Foundation. What does that mean that y' all do?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, Community foundation where even the Republican environmentalists got upset with them. You know something was up. You know something was up.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Republicans were pissed at you. And your foundation is just for community. What community? Which one?

[Frankie Quinones]

Not the trees.

[Lacey Mosley]

Clearly not. And so psychopaths are the ones who have no conscience. And sociopaths may have a weak and inconsistent availability to feel ill, which I think is what we're dealing with here. I think that she is a sociopath because to your point, Frankie, like, she clearly obviously got away with a lot of shit in her life to the point where she drove her crazy ass down to Missouri. Which is honestly giving me like that one lady, remember that stalker lady who like, drove across the country and it was like, news for weeks because she, like, bought diapers and like, she like just peed in diapers to go, like, stalk somebody. Remember that? Like, she did not want to stop driving. And I. That's what this is. You drove to miss to get this poison, thinking that nobody was gonna know it was you. Cause you had a perfect plan. And then you went back to the scene of the crime after it worked. It's also giving, like, as soon as the plan started to die, you was like out in your balcony, sipping your

[Frankie Quinones]

tea, like, yep, there they go. Look at all that brown.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look at all that brown. Okay, it's finally time, Arthur. I'm gonna make a stop next door. And then you go down, you're like, oh, poor thing. These ugly trees. And you went after the head of Maine's. So who knows if you have a vendetta there, then now you're making her property ugly. Then you offering to split to cut down the tree, is trying to act like you're benevolent when you know you caused the problem. Right? And then.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's the audacity.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's the audacity. You're right. Because honestly, if she had done this scam where she was a tree hitman and she just had somebody cut the trees down and then had a dispute with the courts, I would have been on her side.

[Frankie Quinones]

Right, right, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause I would've been like, yeah, them trees fucking up your view. And maybe. And like, yeah, you shouldn't be cutting other people's trees. But like, fuck it, if you want the view, like, it's. What is this rich, rich crime? I don't care. Do that. But you're right. It's the whole subterfuge sneakiness of it all.

[Frankie Quinones]

And I'm more on the, you know,

[Lacey Mosley]

Papa Bean, be a real one.

[Frankie Quinones]

I'm more on Papa Bean's money than this crooked ass Amelia.

[Lacey Mosley]

We would have been on Your side. You scammed it up earnest on the streets of Wall street, robbing everybody and making them lose their homes. Then you scammed it up even more earnestly in the country clubs of Missouri, you know, riding the coattails of your crazy ass, waterboard, surfboard ass, you know, freestyle, freestyle torture.

[Frankie Quinones]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Choose your own torture. We let them choose, okay? They're involved, they're participants.

[Frankie Quinones]

What's the issue here?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And we let you run all these grifts and if you had came out and been a real grifter in Maine instead of trying to poison and be a sociopath, we could have been on your side.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So moving on to our last segment here, Scammer of the week, we're gonna be highlighting a biblical flood that was postponed. Postponed indefinitely, huh? Yeah, yeah. So it was a biblical fud, but it's postponed now, but indefinitely. We don't know when the biblical fud. But don't even like. So if you know it out there and you got your arc, like don't tear it down, but.

[Frankie Quinones]

Because it's coming, but just. It's going to be postponed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's like three to five business centuries. So just don't even, don't worry about, about that. So in African news, Ghana's self proclaimed prophet E. Noah, who goes by Noah. Okay, with the ark, here we go. He went viral on TikTok and YouTube at the end of last year for claiming that a global flood would begin on Christmas Day of 2025. Now I will say he has given me Noah's ark chic. You know what I mean? He's got, he's got a tatter on now. Well listen, his. Look at his social media. These cam. Like he's not a camera that's giving us like 4k at least. Like you can't.

[Frankie Quinones]

Well, look at that nice ass office he's in too. Like. Yeah, it don't go with the attire.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, you got tatters. And in the. You know what, both of these pictures are incongruent because in the first one the tatters match the background a little bit because it feels like we're in nature a little bit even though there's houses behind him. But what's not matching here is that you're in portrait mode. So why you got portrait mode but also tatters. You got money for portrait, you got money for shirts. And then in the other one the tatter is like the quality of the image isn't as good. But then the background is completely industrial. Like you said, Frank.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. And he's like, his expression of the other one too is like, I got. You actually have a nice office.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? He was like, I gotta show more personality in this one because they're gonna catch on. And the other one, he's giving proud men Ghana. And, like, don't actually come to Ghana because then you'll realize there's a lot of rich neighborhoods and beautiful beaches. But, like, right now, I got on tatters. And I'm gonna hope that all of you grew up with National Geographic in your elementary schools. And you won't know that Ghana is actually also a very rich country. You won't know. I'm like, why would you do this, sir? So he started building modern day Noah's arks to survive what he said would be a three year flood. So also he knows it's gonna be three years.

[Frankie Quinones]

Whoa.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in a video called what Will Happen and How It Will Happen, which honestly I'm sure a lot of people clicked on, cuz we don't know what will happen and we certainly don't know how he posted this in August, he claimed that God revealed that it would rain continuously for three years, starting on Christmas Day. And we have a little a bit of what God reveals to Noah. Wait, the tatters wear a dress.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just keep your eyes on me. Okay. He got some goat. And an iPhone. He has an iPhone in his hand with the tatters.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wait, this is the music. He listens to her.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is the music that he put on the video. And he's walking around barefoot in what is definitely also animal poop and soil. So he's got some white cows. Yeah, they keep trying to leave frame. And he keeps like being like, pan the camera over so that they're in frame.

[Frankie Quinones]

The cows are like, man, we're tired of this bullshit.

[Lacey Mosley]

We're tired of shit. And the cows look a little hungry. I don't know if they gonna survive three years on the ship.

[Frankie Quinones]

There ain't gonna be no flood, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And under his tatters, I see something red. And that looks like some boxers that are clearly bought from a store.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, look at that.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, like, how they got stripes and shit, bro? Why did you. Wait, Frankie, you're a man. What are those boxes that, like the fuckboys like to wear that have the color band? You know what I'm talking about?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, like the briefs? The boxer briefs.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are you talking about the briefs?

[Frankie Quinones]

Well, what do they call it?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, I don't know. Just box boxer briefs. Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, there's a box of brief red that they'd be liking to wear like that with the colored band. It's either like red or blue or whatever. I don't know. I only see it when people have their pants sagging, but that's what it's giving to me. And then he was like, let me put some tatters over this. Like, sir, we can see your Calvins. Can you be for real?

[Frankie Quinones]

Wait, how does he. How does he have all money to build an ark?

[Lacey Mosley]

How does he have money to build the ark? How does. Is he walking around in a, in a video that someone else is filming while he's also holding an iPhone? But also he needs to wear tatters. So his boats look significantly smaller than the biblical Noah's ark described in the book of Genesis. The biblical ark is said to have measured about 510ft long to 85. 10ft, or I'm sorry, to 85ft wide and 51ft tall. Now, in biblical feet, I don't know if we're talking about somebody actual feet and like how big their feet were, but it's far larger than the videos in Noah Eboo's videos. But he did gain support and donations from followers online. Many followers said they believed him because parts of Ghana had seen heavy rainfall last year. The bad weather made the flood warning seem realistic. So he was raising money on GoFundMe. Now here's my thing. If I put in a GoFundMe for the ARC, do I get a seat?

[Frankie Quinones]

Right, Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, how do I cash that in? Or like, you know, like, do I need to be around? And also, I'm sorry, if you're holding an iPhone and you're also wearing tatters and I can see your store bought underwear, Nothing about this is giving like,

[Frankie Quinones]

like authentic, like at all.

[Lacey Mosley]

Local reports say that Eboo, aka Noah, has constructed around 10 wooden arcs and has also shown livestock in his videos. Yeah, he could have just been a carpenter, babes. Like, and also, I'm not getting on a weird wooden ark. I barely want to get on a metal plane these days. Okay.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, there they go. There's the ark.

[Lacey Mosley]

And this is the ark that he's built. Now, I don't know if he built this alone. At least we know the money must be going somewhere because the ark is kind of. Now, is he putting wheels on the bottom? Because how are we getting these to the ocean?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, are those people working for him?

[Lacey Mosley]

Are these people making.

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, no, he's just putting himself in front of them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, he just put an image of himself in front of other People like, he's almost pretending that he's there. It says thousands traveled to Ghana for Noah's ark flood warning.

[Frankie Quinones]

Whoa.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, did they or does he just have video of people walking who look like they may or may not be Ghanaian? Because all he gave us was a video with large printed text on top. That's not a real source, y'. All. That's not a real source. Tell your aunties. Tell your aunties. And then the other thing that he did was he inserted a photo of himself that's not moving clearly and is clearly clipped out from the other photo from his iPhone. And then there's video of people walking in the background, and his photo is just stationary in the corner. Like, sir, are you guys look at

[Frankie Quinones]

all my followers or not?

[Lacey Mosley]

Sir, what do you mean? That's like, if I posted a video of a concert and the whole crowd is moving, it's just a stationary photo of me.

[Frankie Quinones]

Like, sold out crowd today. It's me.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's me at the concert. Like, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm not there. Like, put your finger down. And so his posts frequently show him fasting, praying, and wearing that sackcloth and tatters while warning of an impending apocalypse. Critics did point out that in the Bible itself, God actually promises never to pull the apocalyptic flood move again. The rainbow we see after a storm is supposed to symbolize that promise. If God is going to go world ending mode again, he said he'd do it with fire, according to the Bible, right? The guy said the flood. My bad, y'.

[Frankie Quinones]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, okay, y' all give them a rainbow and a pot of gold after the rain, okay? So they can chill out. Okay? We ain't gonna. Ain't gonna flood y' all again, but

[Frankie Quinones]

I will burn this shit down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but I will fire. I don't know. Like, it sounds like, no, you need to get some, like, fire retardant fits or something. Like, so. Other critics have claimed that eboo, AKA Noah, uses his funds donated by his followers intended for the Ark project to purchase a $90,000 Mercedes Benz. Oh. What? That photo floating around these is killing me. It's absolutely killing me.

[Frankie Quinones]

He's like, SEO's my car.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yo, Ibub, you better not get your ass out of that car. Oh, shit. Look at what he's telling. No, you told us we need to get on a wooden boat, but you driving German engineering be for real.

[Frankie Quinones]

Wow. Look at driving five miles an hour.

[Lacey Mosley]

You don't trust a carnival cruise. But you told. But you in Satan's metal box, so obviously a Biblical flood did not occur on Christmas Day 2025. Eboo now says the flood has been postponed indefinitely due to prayer. He said, I was fasting, I was praying. I had two skinny cows that were

[Frankie Quinones]

camera shy, and then I had got this Mercedes. So, you know, we had to hold

[Lacey Mosley]

off that flood gofundme. And God finally picked up on the main line and was like, hello. Oh, y' all don't want no more flood? You know what? Don't even worry about the flood. I'mma postpone it.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, I saw you were fasting and everything, so, yeah, I'm going to hold off on it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I also love that he said in death because then he's not saying that it's gonna end. He didn't say the flood's not happening. He said indefinitely. So if a later date comes to mind. Yeah, then the flood back on.

[Frankie Quinones]

That's so crazy, man. I wonder how much money he raised on the GoFundMe. I mean, I mean, enough to get a Mercedes.

[Lacey Mosley]

And he got more than one floor, 10 arcs. And he at least got enough wood for one arc.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah. Brand new boxer briefs.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we only see a part of this. For all we know, that's a boat that he put some plywood on in the corner and just walked past half of it and was like, cut the camera right there.

[Frankie Quinones]

We don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

And how do you feel about Ibunoah?

[Frankie Quinones]

Oh, that's a scam. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, yes, yes. Although, how would we ever know? He might have been pretty.

[Frankie Quinones]

He is likable, though, for all of us. He is likable, though, in a lot of ways.

[Lacey Mosley]

For all we know, he could have stopped it. We don't know. I mean, personally, ibu, you know, I would be more on the side of your scam if you really, like, stuck with it. Like, get in a video with a bunch of people traveling and Ghana and get that footage. Do the legwork. You know what I mean? Like, have a boat that has access to the water, wear the tatters, but don't have modern clothing underneath. And definitely don't be holding the iPhone 16, right?

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

The striped boxers he was giving me fasting Lukes, though. He looked like a little skinty. Like, maybe he was fasting.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, but we didn't see him. Like, he didn't look like, you know, sitting down. Like, no energy. He's walking around with the cows and shit. Like, hey, look at. Get the camera angle right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And he getting a little mad at the cows. He keep chasing them. Like, y' all need to Be in the video. Stop moving over there, Bessie. God damn it. I only can be in this ranch for 10 more minutes. Come on. Yeah.

[Frankie Quinones]

It's not even his ranch.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that these were nature scammers. He's like, I'm gonna be in the poop and the shit, and I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna need an ark. And then we got, you know, Amelia and Arthur over here were like, we're gonna poison the trees. They're all just kind of like, like natural scams. Let's run some sage, everybody. You know what I mean?

[Frankie Quinones]

I need a sage after hearing this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you so much for being here today.

[Frankie Quinones]

Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

[Lacey Mosley]

We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to plug? Any socials? It could be anything.

[Frankie Quinones]

Yeah, just Frankie Quinones or Creeper. Please watch my one hour Hulu special called Damn, that's Crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, watch Damn, that's Crazy because we don't know. Damn, that's Crazy. Yes, on Hulu.

[Frankie Quinones]

And then please donate to my Go gofundme. I'm trying to build an arc, y', all, because the flood is coming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn, that's Crazy. Congregation, you can follow me at D I V A L, A C I D V on all platforms. You can follow me at Lacy Mosley on TikTok. You can follow for to see all of the tatters and the images that we've shown you today on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And if you want to see videos, you can catch little clips on our Scam Goddess Instagram and also Scam Goddess, Tick tock. I'm gonna be putting all types of things up there. Congregation, you know, you can get my book Hulu, you can get scammed by the television show and finally go in touch on Hulu. You can stream it right now. Congregation, I really want to get y' all out there and I want you to stay gardening, okay? Everyone has a green thumb. And if you have a brown thumb, use that for plant murder. Or if you have a brown thumb, get walk around in some cow doo doo and maybe build an arc. Cause damn, that's Crazy on Hulu right now. Scam Goddess, Scam Goddess stars. And it's hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming. Breathe in. Feel the sense of calm that comes from having up to $300 in overdraft protection with Goto bank now. Did you say $300? Yes. Now back to our breathing. So if I overspend my balance, go2bank

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[Lacey Mosley]

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