The Polygamist Peddler with Vicky Vox

Summary

Scam Goddess: "The Polygamist Peddler with Vicky Vox"

Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Vicky Vox
Release Date: August 11, 2020

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Episode Overview

This lively, unscripted episode brings the infectious energy and humor of host Laci Mosley together with legendary drag performer and podcaster Vicky Vox. The duo dives into scams both personal and epic—sharing stories, cultural commentary, and, most notably, an in-depth look at “The Polygamist Biofuel Scam.” Along the way, the conversation meanders through identity, privilege, scam ethics, and a hilarious rundown of drag life. As always, the tone is quick, playful, bold, and unapologetically Black and queer.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drag, Identity & Harmless Scams

(00:00–08:26)

• Laci introduces Vicky Vox, highlighting her drag fame and talent for "reading" (tarot, cards, and people) [00:00].
• They riff on how Google lists Vicky as a “lyricist,” which Vicky calls “a scam”—confessing she often doesn’t correct people’s misconceptions [02:03].
• Vicky explains getting into drag on a whim:

  "They said, okay, we’ll hire you to do drag, and I just said, sure. And then I never stopped." – Vicky Vox [02:13]

• Both discuss how navigating racial identity can be its own scam depending on context, especially when people project assumptions [03:45].

2. Leveraging Privilege & Personal Petty Scams

(08:26–10:10)

• Vicky recounts how she got a free mattress and bed by raising a ruckus with Amazon when her delivery was left in the wrong place:

  "I let Amazon have it in every white way possible...I got the bed and mattress for 30 days." – Vicky Vox [09:05]

  • Laci approves, reasoning:

    "Jeff Bezos has more money than God, so he can give up a mattress to a queen." – Laci Mosley [09:17]

3. Listener Mail: The Postage Scam

(12:17–19:59)

• A listener from New Zealand (dubbed “Yaya”) shares a tested scam: put the recipient's address as the return address so a letter sent without postage is "returned" to the desired location [13:23].
• Both marvel at its creativity but caution listeners about mail fraud and support for the USPS [19:11]:

  "You don't want to scam via mail a lot because...mail fraud is a big way that the government comes after people." – Laci Mosley [19:19]

4. Coin Shortages, Quarters & Class Commentary

(20:36–22:12)

• Observations on the 2020 coin shortage, laundromats seeking quarters, and how coin collection is a classic household "scam" [21:09].

5. Media Representation: Drag, TV, and Body Norms

(10:13–11:48)

• Laci and Vicky discuss shifts in on-screen nudity, specifically praising the increasing representation of male bodies and the normalization of things previously considered taboo (e.g., explicit scenes in “Watchmen” and “P-Valley”) [11:35].

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Polygamous Biofuel Scam

Main Segment: 23:01–63:02

The Players & The Scam

• Jacob Kingston (of the Kingston polygamous sect in Utah) and Lev Dermen (Armenian immigrant, owner of CA truck stops) perpetrated a massive $470 million fraud via the federal biofuel credit program.
• The Grift: Purchased or imported biodiesel, claimed government credits for transporting it in and out of the country, and recycled the same fuel multiple times to collect repeatedly on the same supply.
• Kingston and Dermen’s uses of wealth: multiple luxury homes, multimillion-dollar cars, and international real estate.

Scam Mechanics & Scale

• "By transporting a load of biodiesel fuel in and out of the country, they were able to get more than $2 per gallon in payments and renewable fuel credits...over and over again for the same supply of fuel." – Laci Mosley [31:52]
• Used shell companies, faked paperwork, and laundered money via gift-giving and real estate.
• Communicated with burner phones and coded weather reports to avoid detection [39:42].
• Paid off law enforcement (LA County Sheriff) and claimed "an umbrella of protection" from law authorities—referred to as "the boys" [37:16].

Legal Fallout & the Polygamy Factor

• When indicted, Kingston’s and Dermen’s defense tried to blame the crime on Kingston’s polygamist religious culture, with the phrase "bleeding the beast" meaning "defrauding the government" [55:19].
• Family members pleaded guilty and turned state's evidence. The trial was complicated by COVID-19, with jurors excused for illness [60:01].

Notable Analogies:

• Vicky compares the scam to sneaking in a toy to clubs collecting for Toys for Tots, emphasizing the universality of exploitation [33:50].
• Laci jokes about the sliding scale of scams, equating Kingston/Dermen to "independent rappers who get a big-time producer" after teaming up [54:10].

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Political & Cultural Commentary

Voting, Privilege & Marginalized Choices

(14:48–18:12)

• Laci and Vicky candidly discuss the 2020 election, centering Black Americans’ constant choice between the "heart" or the "leg" (as per Joe Biden's infamous remark) as analogous to always choosing the lesser evil:

  "We are voting for the lesser of two evils. And we always have been. We've always been voting for survival." – Laci Mosley [17:11]

• Vicky reflects on her own renewed commitment to voting and the privilege inherent in previously opting out [17:27].

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Scammer of the Week: The Slick Polygamist

(65:34–70:50)

• Highlight: Lyle Jeffs, a leader of a polygamist sect, escaped house arrest by using olive oil to slip off his FBI ankle monitor [65:58].
• Both hosts argue that if scamming the government is your religion, you ought to be allowed to practice!

  "He cannot practice that while he's in jail." – Laci Mosley [69:18]

• They compare their proximity to food stamp and government assistance scams—everyone's adjacent to a scam whether they know it or not.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On American Assimilation:
  "My dad had an actual afro...I like to let people think whatever they think about my racial [identity]. And that's a scam!" – Vicky Vox [03:45]
• On Over-the-Top Wealth:
  "Y'all so rich. Why y'all even giving gifts? It's like, y'all so rich." – Laci Mosley [41:09]
• On Scammer Solidarity:
  "If you are in cahoots with someone, stay in that cahoot. Don't leave that cahoot." – Laci Mosley [51:12]
• On White Collar Scams:
  "Legit business, a lot of it is crime. Some of it is legislated, some of it’s not. That's what we call crime." – Laci Mosley [49:17]

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Major Timestamps

• 00:00–03:00 – Introductions, drag beginnings, Vicky's Google “lyricist” scam
• 09:00 – Vicky's Amazon mattress scam
• 13:23 – Listener “Yaya” details the postage return-address trick
• 23:01 – Historic Hoodwinks segment begins: The Polygamist Biofuel Con
• 31:52 – Explaining the gas/biofuel recycling scam
• 39:42 – How scammers used burner phones and coded weather talk
• 54:52 – Defense leans on polygamy and anti-government “bleeding the beast” ideology
• 60:01 – COVID-19 jury issues during trial
• 65:58 – Scammer of the Week: Lyle Jeffs’ olive-oil ankle monitor escape

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Tone & Style

• Highly conversational, improvisational, and irreverent, with both hosts encouraging each other's stories and jokes.
• Social commentary sits alongside outlandish anecdotes, centering Black and LGBTQ+ perspectives.
• Sincere activism weaves through the humor, especially around issues of race, privilege, and government corruption.

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Final Thoughts

"Scam Goddess" shines when it blurs the lines between high-stakes cons and everyday hustles, treating both with equal parts awe and laughter. This episode, anchored by the charisma and insight of both Laci and Vicky, is a wild ride from postage hacks to international biofuel exploits—a tribute to the many faces of the “congregation.” As always: "Stay schemin’!"

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For listeners who missed it:
This episode is an energetic, insightful, and comedic journey through drag, identity, personal privilege, and one of the most absurd and lucrative scams in recent U.S. history. Laci and Vicky’s chemistry and lived experiences enrich every story, scam, and side rant, making for one of the most entertaining and memorable episodes of “Scam Goddess.”

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams C, robbery and frauds. Scams C, robbery and fraud. Scam goddess. Guys, if you haven't heard already or realize the greatness that is seeping into your eardrums and into your brain right now, this is the Vicky Vox, one of the most iconic drag performers out. She is a queen, she is an icon, and, like, get into it. And you should definitely be following her on all the socials. I know I don't plug up top, but the Vicky Vox guys, because a hoot. So much fun.

[Vicky Vox]

I appreciate that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm so excited to have you. I did your podcast, doing great. Pod, which guys, listen. Vicki reads tarot card. She reads playing cards, and it's fucking wild. Like, get into it.

[Vicky Vox]

Grow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited to have you. Obviously, like, we just started talking. Like, we just. Oh, Auntie's out on the porch from the jump.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sipping tea and watching the neighborhood.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm so happy to be here, but I have to talk about something, so I'll be listening to your podcast. Occasionally, when I walk around my apartment acting like I'm cleaning, I just push stuff around. Well, I'll be listening. And I am so mad at your theme song. It is so damn good, girl. It's a bop. Thank you. It's a bop. I said, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's also a scam because it's just me doing all the levels by myself in the studio. There's no mixing. It's ratchet as hell. I'm gonna get it fixed for season two, y'.

[Vicky Vox]

All.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get a mix. Some would get a. Because right now, it's like, I know people.

[Vicky Vox]

I know people.

[Lacey Mosley]

You a lyricist.

[Vicky Vox]

We can do this. I can, right? That's what it says on the Google.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you Google Vicky Box, the top thing says lyricist, which is so funny. That. What a scam, Vicki.

[Vicky Vox]

Of all the things. And that's not even my fault. But here's where I'm a scammer. I don't correct people. Sometimes I just let it go. Sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm.

[Vicky Vox]

That's how I got into drag. They said, okay, we'll hire you to do dragons. Sure. And then I never stopped.

[Lacey Mosley]

You just got on YouTube and you were like, you hit Google and you said, how to drag,

[Vicky Vox]

Right? Girl, I looked so bad. I looked so bad. When I first started drag, like, rough. I think I got a muumu from Ross and threw a belt on it, and I had this, like, huge. Now, it would totally be some appropriation, but, I mean, then it was too. But I had this huge afro just cause I needed volume and I didn't know how to tease hair. So I took a big old was blonde and I threw a headband around it and called it a day and was singing Natural woman rolling around on the floor.

[Lacey Mosley]

The flavor.

[Vicky Vox]

I don't know why they still pay me, but they do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, I guess it's appropriation. Wait. Cause Vicki, you are. I'm trying to remember your ethnicities again. You. You.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay, my mom is white. She is Italian and German from South Philly. And my dad is Moroccan straight off,

[Lacey Mosley]

which is Africa, which is technically African.

[Vicky Vox]

She is Northwestern, so still like she's on the top of where the ice cream looks like.

[Lacey Mosley]

I probably still wear afro is this.

[Vicky Vox]

Well, the thing is my dad had an actual afro, like that was his hair. But I try to, I just say it because I own my whiteness. And I like to let people know. Cause I.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are African, you have a kid.

[Vicky Vox]

I let people. I like to let people think whatever they think about my racial.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's a scam. That's how you come up until I gotta.

[Vicky Vox]

Yeah, and then I gotta get em in line. Once they say some stuff, I'm like, oh, you felt comfortable enough to say that around me? Guess what's not going to lie, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that I have so many friends who are like my friend Laura Chen, who literally looks like a white woman. Like completely looks like a white woman. Her father is black and so she's like, yeah, I'll be sitting in these rooms and they start saying crazy shit. And I'm like, hello?

[Vicky Vox]

They really do. They really do. But I love using it to my advantage. I'm like, oh, you gonna play that card? Cause you thought guess what? Guess what? We not.

[Lacey Mosley]

We need everybody. We need our secret blacks. We need our.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes,

[Lacey Mosley]

the spy who blacked me. You know, we need.

[Vicky Vox]

Right. I mean like if you look at my cousin. Well, I also. My dad's a scammer because he. Well, first of all, my dad's name is Ahmed, right? But he has like seven names because that's just how they do it. They have like 12 middle names and they go by one of them. And anyway, he gave all of us kids very American names just so we could like assimilate. Like, my government name is Lance.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lance, what the hell?

[Vicky Vox]

So, right. So my college applications look great and

[Lacey Mosley]

I hate that we have to scam like that. But listen, I've been Lacey Mosley my whole life and you best believe that I've got A video phone call like, hi, y', all, this is Lacey. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, I'll be there. And then I show up and I'm like, yeah, what the fuck's up? It's Lacey. My nigga, where the snacks, right? Let him down.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay? But my dad is a scammer, too, because at work, I remember being very young, and on his name tag, it said Ed. And I said, dad. Wow, that's not your name. Cause, well, when I was young enough, I thought his name was dad. But then you turn and you realize their whole full name was Ahmed. So he goes, listen, when I introduce myself to people, like, let's say we're introducing ourselves. And you go, hi, my name's Lacey. My dad would say Ahmed, like saying his name. So eventually he just put Ed and was like, people don't get it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm tired of explaining.

[Vicky Vox]

My name is Ahmed, not I'm Ed. And that's not even a joke. That's not even a corny ass joke. That was real life that happened.

[Lacey Mosley]

He just gave up. It feels like he got scammed into being Ed. He was trying to be Ahmed, and everybody was like, you are Ed. You're Ed. Okay, Got it,

[Vicky Vox]

got it.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's like, no, that's not what I said. I said, I'm Ed. It's like, please stop shouting at me. I get it. Your name's Ed. I get it.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes. My brother's name was supposed to be Ethan, but my dad couldn't pronounce Ethan.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that he can't pronounce Ethan, because we need to normalize that. People can't pronounce American names either. Because my name is Lacey. Technically, it's French, but let me tell you, anytime I get in a fucking Uber, Yes. They're like, La Kai. Oh, God, Lassie. Okay, Every time I get an Uber.

[Vicky Vox]

Come on. Like, it's not that complicated.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, that's how we be treating. Like Uzadoba, or, you know, like Shashir Zaneda. You know what I mean? Like, we treat like other names from other countries. Like, oh, it's so hard to say, but, like, we just are all in different countries. That's a scam. Like, the American way ain't the only way.

[Vicky Vox]

Right? Okay, so one of my favorite friends. Well, not favorite friends, because it turned out she was incredibly homophobic. But her name was Sheyomuba, and I loved saying it, so I wouldn't say. Because they would just call her Shay, right? But I had to say Shaye Omuba every time because she Was Nigerian. So I had to say it every time. You get a whole name. Not like Mike Jones. You get a whole name. Cause you know how there's like certain mics, Mikes and Johns and Jims and Steve's. They all have to have a last name.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause there's too many of them. And yet we still keep. Every mike is a scam, Every mat is a scam. I say that all the time.

[Vicky Vox]

Girl, I was thinking about. I'm sorry to cut you off. I just got excited to tell you about a scam I ran.

[Lacey Mosley]

Please, please.

[Vicky Vox]

Like an actual scam. We'll get to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we gonna get to the program. Y' all ride with us. Ride with us.

[Vicky Vox]

I was thinking, right? Go for the journey. You see, I had ordered. Did I tell you about this? I had ordered a bed off of Amazon. Like, mattress and frame. Now, this is where I had to. This is why I love telling people that I'm half white. I'm a half whitey because I use it to my privilege. And I'm gonna get in trouble for this. So it was supposed to be delivered to my door. It was not delivered to my door. It was left downstairs in a quote, unquote mail room that we don't have. But it's like the mailbox.

[Lacey Mosley]

I know. I got one of those, too. La, right?

[Vicky Vox]

Hello, la. So I was in London at the time. I was trying to have my bed set up. By the time I got back, I sent my roommate to go look for the box. And it wasn't out front of the door because it said it was delivered. I knew that it was probably downstairs. And since it wasn't where it was supposed to be, I let Amazon have it in every white way possible. Showed them the receipts. My roommate took a picture out front of our door. Girl, it was downstairs. Don't you know that I. Through such a ruckus that I got the bed and mattress for 30 days?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, yes. I love a mattress scam. Marie Foston came on here with a mattress scam. I love a mattress scam because it's such a big scam. It's mattresses. They're, like, very bulky. They're large. It's like, cumbersome. I'm proud of you. Also, Jeff Bezos has more money than God, so he can give up a mattress to a queen. Okay?

[Vicky Vox]

Right. It's a donation. You have contributed to the Vicky Vox project, and I thank you very much.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like the naacp. Look, we have the African organization, okay? They need money, too. We all need money too. Oh, my goodness. Well, let's get. Just. Cause you're already talking about postage. Let's get into what's hot and fried. Oh, yo, Chelsea's gonna kill me. Shout out to Chelsea Jacobson, my producer. Cause you'll be like, bitch, you haven't even gotten into the show yet. But you know this. That's. This. That's the episode you guys are in for today. And I love it. So this is. Okay, We. You got to give me a name, Vicky, for this person.

[Vicky Vox]

Can we call them Yaya?

[Lacey Mosley]

Great. I like Yaya. I like Yaya a lot. Yaya makes me think of Yaya. What's his name? Mateen. Whatever. With the penis. Is that his real penis in Watchmen? I haven't watched Watchmen yet. They were like, watch it because it's a penis in there.

[Vicky Vox]

It is a lot of full frontal

[Lacey Mosley]

shout out to representation, though, because women for so long have had to put their breasts on the television and we ain't ever been seeing no penis. I was watching P. Valley. And look, P. Valley is okay. I watch anything right now because it's quarantined. So I watch anything. It doesn't matter the quality. I don't care. So P. Valley's not necessarily a good show, but it's very watchable. And there is a scene where there's a guy and he's like, masturbating. Not safe for work, guys. I should have said that before. And then he finishes on his stomach and they show the excrement.

[Vicky Vox]

He made pools, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

He made pools. They showed a nut and the penis. And I was like, this is crazy.

[Vicky Vox]

Well, hey, you know this. Is this a new dog? It's a new day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Is this the representation we asked for? I guess.

[Vicky Vox]

I guess it's time. I mean, if they could have Elizabeth Hurley and showgirls flailing about like that, I mean, I'm sure we could show some men doing some stuff. Okay, it's time. Because men are nasty. And it's time to let the world know that they're actually nasty.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like the world has known men are nasty. We just don't talk about it.

[Vicky Vox]

Right. It's time to talk about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

So, yeah. Yeah. For those of you who enjoy the structure of this podcast, I know you're screaming at me right now, but listen, you don't have any control here. So Yaya says, first off, just wanted to say hi from New Zealand. Okay. New Zealand.

[Vicky Vox]

Yaya.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay.

[Vicky Vox]

International. Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know how to do a New Zealand accent, but I can say laiza disk. That's my Australian accent for you. La za disk. Mabobi laza disk on the bobby. There you go. That's not. That's not New Zealand, but your girl, you'll live. Oh. She says she's singing along with the theme song. That's so sweet. Okay, I usually skip past the compliments, but thank you so much, Yaya. She says I have a low level scam to report which I once tested and confirmed that it does work. If you want to send an old fashioned letter in the mail, but don't want to pay for postage, what you can do is write a random or your own address on the front, don't attach a stamp, and then write the address where you want the mail to end up on the back of the envelope labeled as sender. I tried this once and of course it took a lot longer than usual for the letter to arrive, but I can confirm that it eventually worked. Not sure if this works with packages or international mail, etc. But I don't see why not. Cheers, greeting card grifter girl.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm gag.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my God. The return address is the address you wanted to go to.

[Vicky Vox]

That's genius. I'm not even mad at that. I mean, let's be honest. Now is not the time to mess with, okay?

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's why I wanted to do this jam. Because I do want to say, like, guys, we have call your state representatives like the president. 45. He ain't my president. He is trying to defund the postal service so that he can hopefully uproot this election and steal it. Guys, please call your representatives. Please stay vigilant. Please vote. Even if you're in a state that normally goes blue, please go vote for funsies. You know, yeah, just. And listen, I know that us reasonable Americans don't want to go out and vote for that man, Mr. Biden, but this is how I put it. Joe Biden talked about how police were shooting people in the heart and they were shooting to kill, right? And he said, what if we shot people in the leg? And. And listen, it's a terrible thing to say because we shouldn't be shooting people, period. Like they are. The police are. They need to be defunded. They are a corrupt organization. They were slave catchers anyway.

[Vicky Vox]

Agreed.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I took that moment and I said, you know what? That is the income. That's the full representation of this election. It's the heart or the leg. And with Donald Trump, it's the heart. We all getting shot in the Heart. But with Joe Biden. Honey, it's leg 2020, and I gotta vote for leg 20. I might make merch. I need y' all to get excited about leg 2020.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, I could get on board. My legs are pretty sturdy. You can go ahead and right.

[Lacey Mosley]

As long as you don't hit no artery.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, I. No, I. See, here's the thing. I'm sorry. We gonna get sidetracked real quick. Once again. I had a friend who. Well, I met them at a party once, and they were a double amputee and partial amputee on one side and, like, below the knee on the other side, and they survived. You can survive. Now, the reason I'm telling you this story is. Cause we did drink beers out of their prosthetic leg. That was their prosthesis.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is not where I expected this story to go.

[Vicky Vox]

I just wanted to talk about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought this was gonna be, like, a uplifting moment.

[Vicky Vox]

No, I'm saying at least you'll have a glass later. That's. You know, there's a bright side to everything. You might lose your leg, but you'll have a couple.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, you're saying, I have friends who are. Who cannot use their legs and are in wheelchairs, and they are thriving. They're very successful people. Like, I think that we have to kind of retire old phrases like cut them off at the legs and shit like that, because it's not. You know what I mean? Like, some people can't walk and it's fine, and they're doing great. So we need to, like, normalize that.

[Vicky Vox]

Like, they are doing great. I still don't think we should be.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, but, like, This is the best we can do right now. This is the best. I wish it wasn't this way.

[Vicky Vox]

I shouldn't be laughing, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wish it wasn't this way. I really do, guys. But this is honestly the best we can do right now. And I don't even want to get into Joe Biden's shit because he's a nasty man. And I. I don't want to vote. I don't. But I will. And I will do it happily if it means my freedom. But I hope for the first time, and that a lot of you who are listening to this podcast realize that this. What you're feeling right now. Voting is what black people have felt their entire lives, what marginalized people have felt their entire lives. We are voting for the lesser of two evils. And we always have been. We've always been voting for survival. Whereas you Guys were like, oh, and by you guys, I do mean white people. Oh, a tax plan. Or, oh, I like their values. Or, oh, I like his suit, or I want to have a beer with him. We were like, who's less likely to kill us,

[Vicky Vox]

right? And I mean, I even. Can I say something real quick? And this, I promise you, is not gonna be a crazy story. So I actually used my privilege and did not realize that it was such a privilege. I didn't even vote for a long time until it came down to, well, Barack Obama was the first time I was, like, even considering it. And then when it came down to, oh, Hillary and them, I was like, I have to do something. Like, I really gotta get myself out there and do something. And now you better believe, like, if they're like, you can only allow one person in to vote at a time, bitch, I'm going, I'mma be that one person. If this virus is in the way, I'm going, you ain't stopping me on this time. I let it go for too long, and I have to own that. Some of us have to own that. We did not engage in the system because we benefited from it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that's okay, because I think the most exciting thing about that is the fact that you aren't in that place anymore and that you have changed and that you are active. And I think that more people need to get excited about the fact that when new information presents itself or when you do, you know, you know better, you do better get excited about that. Because I feel like our society beats people up so much for being wrong and loves to dunk on people for not doing the right thing. When it's like, if you get new information and you change your mind, that's honestly the biggest fucking flex to me is just like, I have new information. I changed my mind. You better put your dick on the table. You better put your pussy on the table. I'm like, yes, put your pussy. Put your pussy on the table. Yes. So, yes. So y' all get out there. I know it's bad. Anyways, we was talking about this postal scam,

[Vicky Vox]

right Sidetracked. I still think she's genius. Whoever this is, I would like to thank them because I have been broke enough, you know, for a long time. I didn't even know where you could buy stamps.

[Lacey Mosley]

You didn't either.

[Vicky Vox]

Like, where you get stamps? Like, I didn't know that you have to go to the post office to get stamps.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, as a scammer, I want to let you guys know that you don't want to scam via mail a lot because it's a way that the government can get you for your scams. Because mail fraud is like a big way that the government comes after people and can trap them and get them on charges. So it's like you can be sending out like lies and shit, but if you're doing it during like over the U.S. postal, the U.S. postal Service can be like, this is a government agency. Now you're committing mail fraud. Now you're involved in a government fraud scheme. You know what I mean? So you don't want to scam via mail. No, but this is a fun scam. Cause it's just like you're scamming the mail. Even though USPS is so underfunded. And we should not be scamming them, y'. All. But.

[Vicky Vox]

But it is a good one.

[Lacey Mosley]

If the return address is where you want it to go, that's lit.

[Vicky Vox]

I feel like that's just smart. That's work smarter, not harder. Like let them do my work.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also, y', all postage be like less than a dollar. I don't know how much it is, but I know it's less than the dollar. I feel like I'm in Curb youb Enthusiasm right now. When they were like, how much does a banana cost? She was like, I don't know.

[Vicky Vox]

I have bananas and I have no idea how much bananas cost.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, but this is a good scam. So I mean, if you really can't afford postage, okay, but if you can, guys, USPS is going through enough.

[Vicky Vox]

But here's also the thing. Some people don't have change, but she

[Lacey Mosley]

did this in Australia or New Zealand.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay, well, she didn't get the usps, but some people don't have change right now. Did you know there's a coin shortage?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes, I do. And I'm hoarding all my coins. This is my Bitcoin. This is my time.

[Vicky Vox]

They're going to be worth something one day. Save you your quarters. I actually. This is so dumb. I saw an ad on Facebook and there was a Laundromat asking people to bring them $25 worth of quarters. And they would do a load of laundry for them. Uh huh. A fluff and fold because they need a quarter.

[Lacey Mosley]

That is a scam.

[Vicky Vox]

It's a scam. I mean, they'll give. Well, they'll give you $25 cash, but they need the $25 in quarters.

[Lacey Mosley]

Who got 25,000 quarters lying around?

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, I probably got a good bunch.

[Lacey Mosley]

Somebody had a meme that was like, oh, we have a coin shortage. And it was like black people and it was like one of those igloo, like water bottles filled with change.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes. Insane.

[Lacey Mosley]

I did used to keep change from my grandma when I was a kid. And then we would go to the Coin Star and get some scammed While they take all your money.

[Vicky Vox]

They used to just have it in the bank. They had it inside the bank until they realized they could make money on it and put it inside the grocery store instead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Except for now it's Covid, y'. All. So if you got them quarters like that, you go to the bank, you could do some rollers and you sit down, get your little glass of wine, turn on Indian matchmaking, which is my new favorite problematic television show. That's horrible and also good.

[Vicky Vox]

It's so good. It's so good and awful all at the same time. It's like, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

You pack them quarters. It is like, wow. I'm like, wow. You know what it is is that everyone is so like, Seema's so problematic, but she doesn't even care. Like, you know how people would be like, okay, we're not supposed to say this but you know, we're looking for a match that's fair, like very light skinned. She's just like. So we need a match that's fair. Light skin, tall, basically white. Like she's like saying all the fucked up shit with her chest and I

[Vicky Vox]

love it with her full chest. She is that wanted the reunion, the family reunion. You like stay, just stay away from

[Lacey Mosley]

them just because they're not going to filter Auntie Seema. That's just how she is. Y' all just, you know.

[Vicky Vox]

And what does she call them? The Datagraph. The. What is it called? I can't remember, but it's like, I can't remember the whole like page of all of their messes. It's just a matter. Okay, what else we talking about?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, first we're gonna take a break. It's the longest beginning of the show ever. Guys. We're gonna take a break for some non scam advertisements. And we are back and it's time for my favorite segment of this show, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I am gonna regale Vicky Vox with a con that I am. I don't. I was gonna. I was gonna try to do alliteration there and then it just left me so quickly.

[Vicky Vox]

It's okay. I'm here for it. Either way.

[Lacey Mosley]

I am going to regale Vicky Vox with a historic con that is just you know, worthy of our praise. And today we're talking about. So shout out to Sherrilyn Barra, that's my research assistant. She started to get very specific with the brands of, like, who these scammers are. She calls this scam the Polygamous Gas Thief.

[Vicky Vox]

How.

[Lacey Mosley]

So much. So much to unpack. There. Shout out to Sherrilyn. So much to unpack.

[Vicky Vox]

Polygamous Gas thief. Or like, petrol Gas.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like gas in your car.

[Vicky Vox]

The petrol. Okay, great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, is that petrol?

[Vicky Vox]

Yeah, they just missed an opportunity for some more alliteration, that's all.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, the petrol. Polygamous thief. Yes. Yes. You really?

[Vicky Vox]

Okay, no, it would be the polygamous petrol pilfer. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. That's why you're a lyricist. That's why you're a lyricist, Vicki. Wow.

[Vicky Vox]

That's why.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. What a punch up. That was live, guys. No editing. Wow.

[Vicky Vox]

Doing it. We're doing great.

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I'm like that meme right now. I'm like, wow. Oh, wow. I love Nollywood. I need to watch Nollywood.

[Vicky Vox]

Let's hear about it, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is Jacob Kingston. He's a prominent member of a secret Utah polygamous sect. And Lev Dermen, the Armenian immigrant, owner of a chain of California truck stops. And they both engaged in a $470 million fraud of a government biofuel program, which I love scams like this because, like, I'm not in this industry. Like I've told you guys, scamming is a business, but it's. But it's also an industry. So there's different sects. You know what I mean? It's almost its own economy, really, where it's like, we all contribute to the economy, but in very different ways. Like, I've seen scams where a woman was flipping cats for $45. She would steal people's cats, and then she would. She would post that she found the cat and that she had to take it to the vet to make sure it was, like, got all its shots. And then she'd be like, I only need $45, and you can have the cat back. Or if somebody else wanted to adopt the cat, she would flip the cat for 45. That's a completely different scam than someone who's scamming the government's biofuel program. Right? Because it's an economy.

[Vicky Vox]

You know, it filters on that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I see the cat scammer. I was like, this is too much work. For $45, sis. You could at least get a hundred, right? But. But that's the gamut. We go from cats to biofuel to government biofuel. Like, it's all over.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm with you.

[Lacey Mosley]

So I love. I love getting into different scam industries and learning about what they're doing. So Dermen and Kingston together used the money they made through the alleged fraud to go on a wild four year spending spree that included luxury homes in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, multi million dollar European sports cars, and a villa in Istanbul, Turkey. Oh, Istanbul. That always makes me think of Constantinople, which is what it used to be.

[Vicky Vox]

Istanbul, not Constantinople. Yeah, that one.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that song. Why do. Why do they. Why did you. Istanbul and Constantinople. Like, I learned that in school, but I didn't learn, like, why Slavery. I had a full song that I learned about Turkey. But then when we were talking about slavery, it was like, okay, so it was some slaves. And then it was a. Then they got free because it was nice. Then it was a civil rights movement where they were rising up against. Y' all don't even know who they was rising up against. They was just rising up. And then Barack Obama, the end. Meanwhile, I got a full song, right?

[Vicky Vox]

See history. It's history.

[Lacey Mosley]

Constantinople in.

[Vicky Vox]

That was a good song, though. That's a bop, too. That's a bop.

[Lacey Mosley]

It slapped. Honestly, it slapped so hard. That's why I still remember it. Shout out to y'. All. Shout out to Turkey. So the Kingstons are members of the Davies County Cooperative Society, also known as the Order, a fundamental denomination of the Mormon Church. So I have friends who are Mormon and they are not polygamous. And so I want to be very clear that not all Mormons are polygamous. Not all Mormons live in this big love lifestyle. Although I did love big love. Shout out to Bill Paxton. Rip to a king. But so. But these people specifically were like, we gonna have wives on wives on wives. So that's.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm just. My thing is, like, I need to know what was really going through their heads. Because you just want. You greedy. Because you want a bunch of wives and you want a bunch of money and you want a bunch of house. Like, can you just calm down? I promise you, y' all would not get caught, like, if you would quit being greedy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like there's two poles. Like, there's two poles of living. One pole is like, I love a simple life. I want to feel good every day about my family and what I'm doing. I don't need a lot of shit, you know, simple life. And I think the Other poll is like, I don't think I'm ever gonna live again and I need to fucking fuck shit up while I'm here. I need 30 wives. I need a lot of money. I need. I need to rob everyone. I need to steal everything. It's like there's these big polar opposites of like, I need nothing but my happiness and my, you know, awareness of my body and my surroundings and the earth. And the other side is like, I need bitches. I need gold bricks.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean,

[Lacey Mosley]

we all fall somewhere in between that.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes, I agree.

[Lacey Mosley]

I lean towards the bricks and the bitches. I do, but not that far.

[Vicky Vox]

It's like, it's how you look at abundance, right? It's really that. But my thing is, how did they get caught? Did they get caught?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you will learn. We're gonna go on a journey.

[Vicky Vox]

I really need to know because I feel like you went wrong with the houses. You went wrong with too many things. You already have a lot of one stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

So just like Law and Order. Just like Law and SVU and how you can look at the guest stars in the opening credits and tell who probably is the murderer on this show. If I know the names of people up front, they probably got caught. Sorry to spoil it, guys, if you hadn't figured it out yet, but that's normally the case if I don't know the names or if I'm like, you know, they still out there? Because there have been some people. There was a girl whose Instagram was bossysmiles and she said she do braces and she was just doing braces without no license. And she got her Instagram taken down, but she was never caught, never did any time. And now she's pivoted. So now she's doing like hair and nails and eyebrows and like she's. She's still out here though, and she makes like homemade liquor packages, you know, shout out to bossy smiles.

[Vicky Vox]

Well, I mean, good. Good for them. I'm just saying. Okay, I need to know where this goes. Keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is how they did it. Kingston began the BioFuel scam in 2010 before he met Dermen. But the government contends that the fraud really took off after the family partnered with Dermen in 2011. The two took advantage of a federal incentive under the environmental program that encourages cleaner burning fuels and energy and self reliance. Sounds like some democratic shit. It's like, we'll reward you financially if you stop destroying the planet. Greta Thunberg.

[Vicky Vox]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Thunberg. So between 2011 and 2015. Washakie Renewable Energy Company asked the government for more than $1.6 billion in taxpayers credits and received $470 million. By transporting a load of biodiesel fuel in and out of the country, they were able to get more than $2 per gallon in payments and renewable fuel credits over and over again for the same supply of fuel.

[Vicky Vox]

It was the same supply.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they were basically being like, oh, we got some, some bio friendly fuel. We brought it into the country and then they paid them because it was bio friendly. Then they somehow smuggled it back out the country and was like, hey girls, we're back again with more fuel. It's the same amount. And they just kept doing that.

[Vicky Vox]

I am flabbergasted. I'm not mad.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is smart. I don't even understand this.

[Vicky Vox]

This is why they needed all the wives. Somebody has to do the accounting and somebody had. You gotta have everybody in different areas. This is why polygamy can come in handy. That's what I think this is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Imagine signing up to be married. And then they was like, oh, now you on the payroll here, your desk.

[Vicky Vox]

Not for nothing, but I did grow up near South Philly and that's sometimes how Italians do it. Everybody, everybody has a job.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, that's why you gotta have a big family sometimes. And then you never know, One of them might be the superstar kid you keep having babies. One of them might be Britney Spears. You know, you gotta. I'm just saying this is an opportunity.

[Vicky Vox]

Wait, but back to this. So they get paid to bring it in?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. $2 per gallon and renewable fuel credits.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay, I'm with you now. This is a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

I, I know it is. I am also processing and like elevating right now. I'm like, college degree. Tap in, tap in, tap in, tap in. That horrible Saweetie song. Tap, tap, tap in. That was for the black people. That song is terrible. So basically they're just. It's like if you were to get a credit for bringing in canned soup to a soup kitchen or to like a food bank, but then you took the canned soup out with you in your jacket and then you came back and then brought the same canned soup.

[Vicky Vox]

So I'm kinda mad you said that because I've done this, but I did it around Christmas when I was in my early 20s when it was like in order to get into the club, you had to bring in a toy for Toys for Tots. Yes. And you could get free entry. So I had my friend go out the exit and bring me a Toy from the pile. And then I took the toy and just brought it in. So this kind of makes sense to me on a smaller scale.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? And we have to break it down to a smaller scale because I understand how daunting this sounds as I'm even saying it. So headed out of the country to India and Panama, the fuel would be labeled as biodiesel. But coming back into California and Texas, the same fuel would be relabeled as feedstock or any of the various plant oils and cooking greases.

[Vicky Vox]

Oh, that makes sense now.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Kingston and Dermen arranged to rotate the same 15 million dollar or 15 million gallons of biodiesel fuel so many times that they were able to claim more than $250 million. This gas ain't been in no tank.

[Vicky Vox]

This is just so wild.

[Lacey Mosley]

So when it was headed out of the country, it was gas, it was petrol, it was biofuel. When it was coming back into the country, they were like, this is chicken grease. This is a lot of sex dolls. Sex dolls are very. This is rhinestones. Going to Lady Gaga's house, she need a lot of rhinestones. Don't ask.

[Vicky Vox]

This is lash glue, right? That kind of stuff.

[Lacey Mosley]

15 million pounds of lash glue. Okay. This is for RuPaul's new drag show in Vegas. They need this much lash glue.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay. Cause I can also understand lying to people. And, you know, for a living, I act like, dress like a woman, you know? So I understand you gotta dress up a pig to sell it a certain way. I understand this. Okay, keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

So millions of dollars from the fraud were allegedly laundered through companies owned by a prominent Turkish businessman who was closely tied to the Turkish president. Ooh, this sounds like some Trump shit. When you get close to the president, you start doing whatever you want. At some point, I gotta make friends with a president. I'm gonna get on board on somebody campaign and really just be out here using whatever celebrity I got. So I'm gonna be like, hey, right, look, somebody died. Now, look, I'm. I'm. They are in my house, but I'm not tied to. Can y' all have somebody come over here and Olivia Pope this.

[Vicky Vox]

It's handled.

[Lacey Mosley]

At some point. Yes. At some point, I'm gonna need things handled where I just show up and they're like, it's handled. So in 2017, Dermen changed his name from the Armenian name Tarminjan.

[Vicky Vox]

I feel like, listen, you can't mess it up. It is what it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sherrilyn says, sorry, I couldn't find a pronunciation Cheryl. Yes, Cherilyn. I needed that shout out to my Armenian community. I love you guys. So he changed his name from Termin Jan to Lev Ajan Derman. I know you guys are gonna tweet me and tell me what that name really is. There's a voice activated thing on Twitter now. So just someone voice activate, tweet me with.

[Vicky Vox]

I would love that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. So he changes his name to Lev Alzan Derman to pave the way for his possible immigration to Turkey. Alzan is the Turkish word for lion. Aslan. It's probably Aslan. It's a S L A N. Aslan. Okay, yeah. So Aslan is the Turkish word for lion. The two claim to have an umbrella of protection from state and federal officials that they called the boys. Okay, is that like the cops?

[Vicky Vox]

Okay, this is an intricate scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. I'm not. I don't think I have the IQ for this. Like, this is.

[Vicky Vox]

They really did this. This took planning, this took prior preparation because you can't have this much production quality.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Because. So technically. Guys, let me break this down. So what's happened so far is they recycling the same can of 15 million gallon gas and being like, when it leaves America, it's gas. When it comes back to America, it's eyelash glue for RuPaul. And so that's what they're doing now. They're working with the Turkish government, right? So they're like, how can we sound more like we're Turkish? I changed my name to Live Aswan. Like, I'm a lion now. I'm a Turkish lion. So that's where we're at, guys. Like, they're doing a lot to assimilate. And honestly, I love it. Kingston told investigators that he was present at a dinner where Dermen made a cash payment to then Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca. Let me tell you something about the Los Angeles County Sheriff Office. They doing crime. Crime.

[Vicky Vox]

Listen, I.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, I might have to take that out of the podcast because I have benefited from the crime of the Los Angeles County Sheriff Office. I won't lie. One time I got pulled over by LA County Sheriffs and I was like, I'm on my way to Blank Place. I work for Blank. I can't say the things. I don't want to die. And they were like, oh, you work for Blank. Oh, we can't give you a ticket. Go on.

[Vicky Vox]

See, here's the thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've worked in crime a bit.

[Vicky Vox]

It's not your fault. You lived. That's what happens is You've lived your life. My thing is anybody that says trust me or believe me is exactly who you should not be trusting and believing. That's how I feel about it. Or, like, I'll protect you. No, no, what you need is you need protection. If you trying to protect somebody else, you need the protection. That's how I really feel about it.

[Lacey Mosley]

You are not wrong. So they apparently paid off someone in the LAPD County Sheriff Office, which I fully believe, 100%. Also, I'm afraid of the LAPD County Sheriff Office, so I'm gonna have to go buy an alias and wear a ski mask. The Kingstons and Dermen use burner phones and codes to communicate. Weather reports mentioning warm or cold were used to indicate the intensity of the federal investigations into their business. So they probably were texting each other like, hey, y', all, it's a warm front. That probably mean the feds is, like, swirling.

[Vicky Vox]

It's cold. It's cold, Girl, we cold. Ain't nobody here.

[Lacey Mosley]

I hope it got more detailed than that. I hope at one point there were, like, a 32 degrees with a chance of precipitation.

[Vicky Vox]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

What does that mean?

[Vicky Vox]

There's a 33% chance it's already raining.

[Lacey Mosley]

My breasts can tell when it's raining. That's for mean girls. What's happening? I hope it was that complicated. I truly do. So throughout the scam, they gave each other lavish gifts, including a $1.7 million 2010 Bugatti. Come on. I woke up in a new Bugatti.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

That Kingston presented to Dermen on his birthday. In exchange, Derman gave him a chrome plated Lamborghini. Y' all so rich. Why y' all even giving gifts? It's like, y' all so rich.

[Vicky Vox]

But let me tell you that that is how I do know some. About some ethnic folks, and that is how they move money around. Like, that's how you move money. And my. Like, I know from my Moroccan side that you would give gifts of gold because that's how, like, you save your wealth. Like, and if you ever see immigrants and they have gold bracelets, it's because that's real gold. So they have money later, and you can't, like, take their cash away from them. Does that make sense? So, like, you give a huge gift, and that's basically like you stashing money with somebody.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's beautiful. That's absolutely beautiful. I need. I need that. So Kingston bought Dermen a $3.5 million waterfront home in Manhattan Beach. Dermen brought Kingston a 3.2 million dollar home in Salt Lake City, Foothill suburbs. So you're right. It's like, we're buying homes now. It's like, oh, I got you a home, bro. I got you a home, bro.

[Vicky Vox]

Right? They pass it around. Money, homes and wives. This is great.

[Lacey Mosley]

Are y' all in love? Because it's starting to feel like maybe y' all are in love as well. This feels like a whole organization, right? That's why they had so many wives. Cause I feel like if you really want to be with women, like, you don't want to have that many women. We get on your nerves that.

[Vicky Vox]

I don't know what to say about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Look, I'm bi, and the thought of one woman is like, okay, that's enough. I definitely don't want five to 10.

[Vicky Vox]

That's a lot of energy. Just to say that's a lot of energy.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a lot of energy. I don't want that many damn men either. I don't want that to seem discriminatory. I don't want that many damn people.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, that's true, right? Everybody calm down. I like to be by myself, but let's figure out how to kept going with this money, because I need to know. I'm actually really into this because I'm getting ideas.

[Lacey Mosley]

Vicki's gonna give me a home next week. And I'm like, why are you giving me this home, Vicki?

[Vicky Vox]

Don't worry. Just put it in your name.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just put it in your name. Put your social down.

[Vicky Vox]

It's your home now, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Lord Jesus. So a woman known as Katrina Tracy was a CEO of a New Jersey company that was engaged in a similar biodiesel fraud and was seeking to add to the Washakie renewable energy company as a partner in crime. She referred to the scam as alchemy turning nothing into gold. Okay.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's so Katrina. So she first met Dermen and his entourage that included the bodyguards in Miami. Dermen impressed her when he insisted on drinking a rare scotch that cost $150 a glass. And then when he thought it was was Then when he thought he was not being respected by the waitress, he tossed several hundred dollar bills on the table and told her to remember him next time he came into the bar. This is the kind of flex I love. I used to work in a restaurant, and I love a man with the ego who throws money at me. I once, like, had a guy come in and they wanted, like, Yamazaki prive or like, 300 or something like that. It's a very Expensive Japanese whiskey. It's $300 a glass. And they were like, oh, we want this. And I was like, okay. Just so you know, it's $300 a glass. And he looked at me and was like, right? I know. I was like, okay, listen, people be coming in here, they don't be knowing. I was like, okay, Mr. Rich Man. And he tipped me like a thousand bucks.

[Vicky Vox]

So I was like, it's one of those things, like, if you know, you know. But sometimes you have to let somebody know. Like, there are. There are hotels in LA that don't even have names. Like, you just know what it is when you get there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Or you have to have. There are restaurants like that too. They do have names, but the name's not on the outside. And you just have to have a publicist to get in. And I have scammed my way into the Nice Guy. I scammed my way into. There's another one that's like that. It's owned by the same group. I can't remember the name of the.

[Vicky Vox]

I know. The H. Wood Group. Was it the Blind Dragon?

[Lacey Mosley]

Mm mm. I know Blind Dragon. I used to work for them.

[Vicky Vox]

Oh, did you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Listen, H. Wood, we go back. No, no, no, no. It's something. Oh, it's gonna kill me. It's like a private restaurant. It's on Melrose, I wanna say, or Santa Monica. And it's not. It's owned by the same people who own the Nice Guy.

[Vicky Vox]

Is it Delilah?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, but it's close. Dammit. Anyway. No, actually, maybe it is Delilah. Maybe it is Delilah.

[Vicky Vox]

I don't even know, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

I tried anyway, child. But like, it might be, but there's. But those are like the chill ones that people kind of still know about because of paparazzi. There's places that just literally have no names. And it's like, you just have to know people.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm still mad at $300 for a glass of whiskey.

[Lacey Mosley]

And honestly, it don't slap hard enough for 300.

[Vicky Vox]

Mm. Mm. Get you some Everclear and call it a day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. You don't gotta go that low. You don't gotta go to drinking. You drinking Diesel. We talk about a diesel scam. If you drinking Everclear, you are drinking petrol.

[Vicky Vox]

If you have a mission, like, who? My thing is who really wants to die?

[Lacey Mosley]

Suicide mission.

[Vicky Vox]

Who is trying to taste whiskey? Like, come on, do you really enjoy it? And like, for him. What is his name? Old.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is Derman.

[Vicky Vox]

Derman, not Aslan. What is it them? I'm saying. Yeah, y'. All are doing great. But, like, do you really need to spend all this money?

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, you gotta flex on the hoe. Sometimes you gotta flex.

[Vicky Vox]

But see, this is what I'm saying. Like, you can just throw money at the problem. But, like, do you really need. Okay, you right. Sometimes I do be flexing.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was about to say, Vicky, like,

[Vicky Vox]

I was about to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Background right now in this conversation is a flex. These plants, this aesthetic, like, get outta here, get outta here.

[Vicky Vox]

I know I caught myself, girl. And I was like, I'm a lie, I'm a lie.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I appreciate you being a humble queen. We all have to be humble at times, you know, even if it's fake humble. And we are still, still flexing everywhere we go. That's okay. That's okay. That's all right.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, I do like to throw money around. When it's there, I do like to throw it around. So as soon as I realized that, I went, I have to stop talking about these people.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I don't. I feel bad because, like, I'm the type of person, like, I over tip everywhere I go. But that's because I used to work in the service industry. So I will throw my money at service, but I won't be like, here's money. I'll just, like, tip them nicely. Because I worked in the service industry.

[Vicky Vox]

I mean, this here's the flex. But it's not really a big. There's a local pizza place. And because everybody is like, shut down, shut down. I know she's not making money over here. And she's an Asian lady running an Italian pizza place. And I go in, I order my. My little cheese pizza because I don't eat the meats. And then I go in and I tip her $20, like, in her little jar just for the pizza. Because I'm like, I know she's having a hard time, and I got it right now, so I'm okay, girl, here you go. I don't think she knows it's me. And I kind of don't want her to know it's me because then I don't want her to treat me differently, you know? Does that make sense?

[Lacey Mosley]

See, I would, like, want the extra special treatment, but, like, I love this because we're both cancers and we're both bleeding hearts. I have to stop myself because I over tip everyone and I'm like, girl, stingy people have money for a reason. And, like, nice people don't have money for a reason. I'm not trying to be. I'm trying to get a happy medium. Because right now, like, I've been going out and tipping sometimes 100%. If I'm like, you're really nice. Like, here's a lot of money you didn't expect. And like, I'm like, okay, but girl finances, right?

[Vicky Vox]

That part. Like, I also need to eat, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

So later, over dinner, the one. So just to catch y' all back up to where we were. There was a woman who was interested

[Vicky Vox]

because he was flexing and becoming partners.

[Lacey Mosley]

Her name is Katrina Tracy. She's the CEO of the New Jersey company that was engaged in a similar biodiesel fraud and was seeking to add Washakie renewable energy company as a partner in crime. So she's already involved in crime. Her business is crime. It's crime time. Okay?

[Vicky Vox]

Crime time.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she already is, like, interested. She's like, they're doing crime really well. And like, honestly, even legitimate business, a lot of it is fucking crime. Guys like these labels that they give us, it's just like the labels that we get with genders where it's like woman, man. And it's like, no, there are lots of things in between. There are lots of non binary situations. And that's the same thing for business. Like, there's no black and white. There's no up and up business. Everybody's doing fucking crime. It's just that some of it is legislated, some of it's not. That's why weed. Now you can go to a fucking weed Apple store in many stores states in the country. Whereas there are many black and brown people rotting in jail for selling weed. It's because of racism and it's because of what we label as crime, which is basically what the government can't make money off of. That's what we call crime.

[Vicky Vox]

That part. Well, tax is a scam too, but keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, the biggest scam. Like, I'll. I wish. I wish as a black person, just a quick caveat that I wouldn't have to pay tax to the police. I'm like, if y' all gonna keep killing us, at least I don't have to pay for it, right? I'm not. Can I get a tax break for being black? Like, y' all ain't protecting and serving me shit.

[Vicky Vox]

You just made me weak, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Girl, I like Chile when Vicki all the next. I'm tired, right? I know that's not what this podcast is about. I wanna keep y' all uplifted. But still, shit, I shouldn't have to pay for that. So anyways, so they were this trait. This. This woman, Katrina, is interested in merging crime. She wants to do a crime merger. She wants to do a crime acquisition. And we love to see it. So he throws the money on the table, flexes for the waitress. Later, over dinner, she and Dermen discuss partnering up in a scheme in detail. Using Washakie renewable energy to provide fake documents. Kingston was not there. Now, see, this is when things get messy. I've talked about this before in the college cheating scandal. When you start to cut out people because you think you know everything. This is when mistakes are made.

[Vicky Vox]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you are in cahoots with someone, stay in that cahoot. Don't leave that cahoot.

[Vicky Vox]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't think that you're good on your own, because if you were good on your own, you would have been doing this on your own the whole time.

[Vicky Vox]

Right. I look at it like a soap opera. The minute one person keeps something from anybody else, that's when it's all going down. The minute that happens,

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know why this came in my head, but I was like, if you beefing at that wedding, then you should have stayed beefing at that wedding. Okay. Like, y' all stay together at the wedding. That's. You know what I mean?

[Vicky Vox]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's another deep cut for the black folks. You know, if you can't do crime, where the hell can you do crime? Anyway? So in 2014, she. So this is our Katrina Tracy pleaded guilty to charges of wire fraud, money laundering, and securities fraud. So in court, the IRS eventually caught up with them, and Dermen was represented by Mark Garagos. Garagos, who in the past represented celebrity clients like Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Winona Ryder, all of them guilty. He represented guilty people. Fame is guilty people. He has characterized Dermen as a rags to riches immigrant who came to the United States with his family from Soviet Armenia when he was 13 years old, dropped out of Hollywood High School, and worked as a gas station attendant before founding his own successful chain of fuel distribution and trucking company. So Garagos basically categorized Dermen as like, left a good job in the city.

[Vicky Vox]

I wasn't ready for that.

[Lacey Mosley]

But yes, Working for the man every night and day, Dermen never lost one minute of sleep. He was pumping that gas every night and day like he gave him a whole story fully. So Gerga said that Dermen, before he met Kingston in late 2011, had never dealt in biodiesel tax credits. So remember, the original scammer was Kingston in 2010. He was doing his cons right then he met Dermen, and then Dermen helped him make the cons really take off, really fly.

[Vicky Vox]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, it's like, I feel like Kingston is like an independent rapper, and it's like. You know what I mean? Like, Kingston was Aaliyah, and then. And then Timbaland was Derman, and. And then Timbaland came along, and then he made those beats, and he put that baby on that was like, you know, and then the music just started popping. That's when the crime really started to soar. So basically, now he's saying, like, look, I wasn't the singer. I was just the producer.

[Vicky Vox]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I was in the background. I just was like, I got some baby sounds. Another deep cut for people who love Aaliyah and black folks. So in his opening statement. This is Garagos, the attorney spent much time dwelling on the practices of polygamy in the Kingston family section, saying that the sect leader, Paul Kingston, Jacob's uncle, has more than 20 wives and countless children. So we haven't talked about polygamy this whole time, but now that they're going to court, because they about to go to jail. Jail.

[Vicky Vox]

They trying to use it to discredit them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And mind you, these two gentlemen were passing these expensive gifts back and forth doing it. I mean, that's money laundering in a way, but they're doing all this stuff. And now he's like, listen, I was just a man who was working hard in the city every night and day. Big wheels keep on turning. And then I met this polygamous man who got. Look, his uncle got 20 wives.

[Vicky Vox]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

He was doing crime. Crime, Right. And I didn't know. So now he's trying to paint himself as someone who's gotten roped into the situation. The Order, which is the church group, has a term that's called bleeding the Beast. Gerrigo said bleeding the beast is defrauding the government. That's the model. That's the ethos. That's the mantra. That's what the Order does. They bleed the beast. So now they're trying to say that this is because of Jacob Kingston's organized religion. His name was Jacob, guys. We call him Kingston the whole time, but just to keep y' all on track. So, right. So, so basically, he's trying to be like, this was Jacob's religion. Like, Kingston's religion was defrauding the government, which, honestly, as a scammer, like, scams should be your religion. I'm not mad.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm not mad at that. Cause, you know, I have thought about making my own religion just so I didn't have to pay taxes. But also, I will say that basically everybody's mad right now because they figured out a way to exploit a system and the government is mad about it and sending some people to crack down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, the government exploits us as a black person. I'm sorry. I don't owe the government shit. I shouldn't even have to play tech.

[Vicky Vox]

For real.

[Lacey Mosley]

For real.

[Vicky Vox]

So y' all just mad because they figured out how to work you? Okay, keep going.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the interrelationships are astonishing here. This is what Gregorio said. And like Gregoros, maybe Gregorio. So I'm gonna keep. It's. You know what I'm saying? So this is the lawyer, remember, who defends all the famous criminals like Michael Jackson. And we know Winona did it. It was on tape. Honestly, I feel bad for. For Winona because she just did something in a bad news cycle. Like if she had been stealing right now during the Trump era, it wouldn't have even been news.

[Vicky Vox]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

We would have been like, good for you, Winona. You're anti capitalist queen.

[Vicky Vox]

Right? Right. I mean, I'm real good for the five finger discount. Back in the day, that's how I got wigs. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got whole wigs on the five finger. You're talented.

[Vicky Vox]

Yeah. But here's the thing. I told them I was taking it cause they were taking too long. I looked the lady at the cash

[Lacey Mosley]

register and hi, I'm stealing this.

[Vicky Vox]

I said, y' all are taking your time. I held the wig up, looking at him. I said, I'm leaving with this now. And walked out.

[Lacey Mosley]

That is the most beautiful theft I've ever heard. Hello.

[Vicky Vox]

Hello.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm leaving with this now.

[Vicky Vox]

I am that person. Sorry.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. I love to see it. So Gregario said that they are marrying half sisters, they are marrying cousins. They are in constant inter. Incestuous, frankly, organization. Oh, no. So he's saying. So Grarius is saying that Kingston's family, they're marrying their half sisters, they're marrying their cousins. This is constant inter incestuous relationship. And it's like an organization that's going on with all these kids.

[Vicky Vox]

I have to get my fan out, girl, because this is a must. But you know, as you're saying this, all I hear is what Royal family sound like.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Like, come on now.

[Vicky Vox]

That pure bloodline shit, that part. That's how they be sounding.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everyone in, like the UK is probably related.

[Vicky Vox]

Uk. I can't Even say West Virginia anymore, because you don't even know. We don't know. I'm gonna get.

[Lacey Mosley]

We don't know.

[Vicky Vox]

Do you know what? Have you done a 23andMe? I'm gonna do mine.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Because I don't want the government to get my DNA. They gonna lock my cousins up.

[Vicky Vox]

I have felt that way about it. It too.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also, I was like, I don't know what y' all want this for. They don't seem on the up and up.

[Vicky Vox]

23andMe is owned by the spouses of the people that own Google.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, see, my. Her tip jumped out. My herp was like, no, queen, you can never give your government to 23andMe.

[Vicky Vox]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

We are 23 and we. Whatever that means. Also, don't drink milk. That's why you have your period. Anyway, those are my hotep logics that are terrible. Don't be a hotel, guys. So Jacob Kingston had three wives and 10 children. Kingston's brother, mother, and legal wife, Sally also pleaded guilty to multiple charges and are expected to testify in exchange for consideration of a lighter sentence. So he did have the family on the payroll. It was like, hey, you're my wife, and also now you're my accomplice. Welcome. And so Gagario said that the court rushed through the process of the jury deliberations. Despite the escalating public health crisis, at least two jurors, including one who wore a face mask for three days during the trial, were excused due to pneumonia and unexplained respiratory illnesses. This happened during Corona.

[Vicky Vox]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. So this is a Corona verdict is what Gregario said. The attorney said that they would file a motion for a new trial in the coming days.

[Vicky Vox]

This is wild. So there's a possibility that this might not even, like, really stick? Like, nothing?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, we're in a pandemic.

[Vicky Vox]

I didn't know this was happening. Now.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, Sheryl Lynn, you could throw some dates in here. What a shocker. I've talked about this before, guys. Like, I will find a story I love. Cherilyn will research it. Shout out to Sherilynn Vera. I love her so much. And then I like to read it off the cuff because I like to be surprised. I like to do improv, and I like it to be just fresh. And I am shocked that this happened during the time of Corona. I am too crazy.

[Vicky Vox]

This feels like Bush administration stuff, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Biofuel. That definitely doesn't feel like it's happening. But you know what, though? It feels like if any time you could get away with A government scam like this, it's during the Trump administration because they can't pay attention to you. I bet you there are so many scams going on right now just within the government sect. Because Trump every day is saying something crazy. It's like, I'm a nuclear hurricane niggers. Like every day he's saying something crazy on Twitter. So it's like you can be doing crazy crime. Very chill.

[Vicky Vox]

He's over here gonna ban TikTok and letting biofuel make money but never be used. Like, what is going on?

[Lacey Mosley]

Recycling the same can.

[Vicky Vox]

Actually, I can't even get mad about that because as soon as I thought about it, I have done the same performances at every club for like years and I still take money like it's new.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's different. They're from different. You are giving entertainment to different people. They are giving the same can to the same government and never putting it in nobody's car.

[Vicky Vox]

I blame the government. You need to test. You need somebody. It's not their fault. It's not their fault that they got one over on you.

[Lacey Mosley]

How do we even know it was fuel in there anymore? At that point, they could have just been weighing it down with anything.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm telling you, I really feel like it was just cow plop. I feel like it was just a whole shipload because that's what biofuel can be like. You just gotta convert.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's methane. It's methane in there.

[Vicky Vox]

This is wild. I also am kind of inspired.

[Lacey Mosley]

I am too. Because this is. And like I said earlier, there are different industries within scamming. So figure out what works for you. Do you like science? Do you like math? You know, they could get an accounting fraud, you know, do you like arts and theater? Then you can get into scams that relate to your personality. Charisma scams, those are the face to face ones. They don't pay a lot in the beginning. Just like how acting doesn't, right? But if you really work, you could become Joel Osteen and have your own church of scam.

[Vicky Vox]

You could also become Ellen DeGeneres and have your own scam of a TV show.

[Lacey Mosley]

My favorite thing about all the Ellen shit that been coming out where people were like, ellen is mean. Which is like, look guys, I ain't gonna say nothing about Ellen because I'm afraid. But what I will say is what I'm seeing, which is a lot of celebrities coming out and being like, Ellen is so nice. She's wonderful. One time she helped me change my tire. Ellen is the kindest person I've ever met. And it honestly feels like they're, like, blinking into a camera, and there's, like, a gun being pointed at their head that we can't see. See, because, like, why? It just. None of the statements seem like they're from the heart. Because I feel like it was somebody that I fucked with and they were getting lampooned by the press. I'd be like, y', all, I don't know what's going on, but, like, I really. With this person, like, they cool. Literally. Jay Leno put out a statement that was like, Ellen has donated $125 million to charity since her show got on the air. She's the kindest person that I've ever met. I love her. And I was like, so, Jay, did you do this research before for you sent this tweet out.

[Vicky Vox]

How you know this? Who sent this to you? But my thing is. Okay, so if you've ever been. It's basically all the people at the dinner party that are at the table eating the meal, saying that the host of the dinner party is lovely. When everybody cooking the meal is like, they were a monster because she threw

[Lacey Mosley]

a pot at my head.

[Vicky Vox]

Right. It's not the same experience. Y'. All, like, of course you got the other side. That's it. So whatever you're saying, it's. It's kind of moot at this point.

[Lacey Mosley]

But, guys. So Corona. Yeah, that was happening here. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back for the last segment of the show. Robbery and fraud. All right, guys. And we are back. And this is the saddest part of the show, because I'm gonna have to let Victoria box go. Suit. This is tragic, because we've been having such a good time. You guys don't even know. Some of it. You'll never know. Sorry.

[Vicky Vox]

Very real.

[Lacey Mosley]

But, guys, it's time for scammer of the week. Yes. So this is where we highlight one charlatan that's just truly worthy of our praise. Someone that we're so into and will give because of the opinions on how it's going.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm here for this. I love to support people.

[Lacey Mosley]

So scammer of the week this week is a slick escape, which is a polygamous sect leader who uses olive oil to slip free of an FBI tracker. Now, we wanted to keep on the same vein of polygamy this episode, right? So Lyle Jeffs, which. What a name. Lyle. Love that name.

[Vicky Vox]

Is this two first names.

[Lacey Mosley]

Who was on House arrest. Yeah, I think it is. That's why I don't trust Lyle Jeffs. Now. He put an S at the end of the Jeff, so it's multiple. There's still pretty much two names. So Lyle and Mini Jeffs, who was on house arrest, facing Fraud charges, escapes FBI's GPS monitor by police pouring some kind of lubricant, believed to be olive oil, on his ankle. Jeffs of the Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Okay, look, again, I'm not trying to label Mormons as polygamists. I just have to say that I know a lot of Mormons. They're not polygamists. Please don't come after me. Mormon community. However, this person is a fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints, which is different than the Church of Latter Day Saints, was released from jail on June 9 pending trial on charges that he and others swindled the federal government out of millions of dollars in food stamps. Damn. Maybe they. Maybe these outside Latter Day Saint churches are a scam in the government. And now I want to join.

[Vicky Vox]

I need to see what it's about.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, like, I could be somebody's 19th wife. That mean I probably don't got a fuck a lot. I, you know, I don't gotta cook a lot. It's a lot of people in the house to help with the chores.

[Vicky Vox]

I need to know.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like I could be the slacker wife. Like, they would always be confronting me like, lacey, you are not doing your share. And I'm like, what y' all talking about? I did, right? I washed dishes.

[Vicky Vox]

I was like, I fixed the pillows. Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. Who fluffed the pillows, though? Was the pillows fluffy?

[Vicky Vox]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. That was my contribution for the month. Now don't bother me.

[Vicky Vox]

I need to know that they put all this money on one EBT class. Like, how does it go?

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know. Millions of dollars of food stamps is like, they must have been getting the food stamp cards and then slanging them. They had to have been slanging.

[Vicky Vox]

Well, that's a real thing.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it is.

[Vicky Vox]

Not that I've done it, but I

[Lacey Mosley]

have been around it. Have I eaten food that was probably from a food stamp card that was purchased? Absolutely.

[Vicky Vox]

Absolutely. So I know what government cheese is and we can just leave it there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Am I catty cornered to this scam?

[Vicky Vox]

Sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Am I adjacent? Am I in the cul de sac of the scam? 100%. Okay, before you leave the cul de sac, you're probably past my house, so. Yes. But I love that he Gets out of his ankle monitor because he poured this olive oil onto his ankle. That's amazing. So they said that there was damage to the bracelet, but it wasn't enough to trigger an alert to federal agents. So there's probably some things that you can't put on the bracelet, because it's gonna be like, boop, boop. Somebody tried to get free. But whatever he used actually worked, and it didn't trigger anyone. So federal prosecutors, along with the estranged member of the family, had previously urged the government not to. To release Lyle, arguing that he would flee. Wow. It be your own people.

[Vicky Vox]

Well, they do know him best.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do. But I'm like, let Lyle go.

[Vicky Vox]

Free Lyle.

[Lacey Mosley]

Free Lyle. Okay? He's got wives to take care of.

[Vicky Vox]

He's got business.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's got. He. His religion is scamming the government, and he cannot practice that while he's in jail.

[Vicky Vox]

Right.

[Lacey Mosley]

And we talk about freedom of religion in the US So we need to let him free so he can practice his religion, which is crime, criminality.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm kind of not mad. Like, study it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not mad. As long as he wasn't hurting people, I'm not mad. You know, Shout out. Shout out to Lyle.

[Vicky Vox]

Right? I wish I could get that slippery and slip out of some stuff. I've never had. What's it called? A house arrest ankle or whatever it is.

[Lacey Mosley]

You say that like that's something that a lot of people have one instead of like, I've never had Asperger's. I've never gone there. I mean, a lot of people.

[Vicky Vox]

Look, I don't live a legal lifestyle, and I am quite surprised very often that I am one of the few people that I know that has not been locked up.

[Lacey Mosley]

And listen.

[Vicky Vox]

Hey, I'm doing good.

[Lacey Mosley]

To Akon's iconic song, I'm locked up, they won't let me out, which I just thought was so beautiful. Cause, like, if you're locked up, we probably know they won't let you out.

[Vicky Vox]

Right. Thank you.

[Lacey Mosley]

But I do hope that there are people in jail who are like, can I leave?

[Vicky Vox]

Like, no, but can I go outside real quick?

[Lacey Mosley]

It feels like the question that no one's asking. Maybe if you asked it, someone would let you leave. I don't know.

[Vicky Vox]

Sometimes all you have to do is ask, you know?

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. But also, prisons are institutionalized slavery, FYI. So that brings us to the end of another episode of Scam Goddess. Guys, this is a long one. You guys are gonna get a real treat.

[Vicky Vox]

I'm sorry, y'. All it's not my fault. I just get very excited and I have a lot of questions and a lot of stories.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is an iconic episode of the show. Jesus Christ.

[Vicky Vox]

There was so much money going around. I need to. Can I get.

[Lacey Mosley]

I am nominating this show for an award. I will be nominating the show for an award. I'm not even kidding, Vicki. Where do you want to be found? That's what we always ask people.

[Vicky Vox]

They can find me all over the socials at the vicky vox and thevickyvox.com yes. Keep it simple.

[Lacey Mosley]

And, guys, as always, email us with your scams, even if it's scamming the postal system, which we all need to Support. Guys, at scamgoddesspod Gmail.com, make sure the scams are tired. If you use your real name, we'll change it. And I always delete the emails because I'm not gonna let the feds come get y', all, okay? And also, guys, if you want to follow us at Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. Platforms. And if you want to follow me and my shenanigans, it's D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Congregation, it's crime time. Stay scheming.