The Sweepstakes Scammers w/ Tone Bell (Fraud Friday)

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Episode Overview

Title: The Sweepstakes Scammers w/ Tone Bell (Fraud Friday)
Date: June 12, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Tone Bell (comedian, actor, host of Netflix’s Drink Masters)

This lively, hilarious episode dives deep into the wild world of sweepstakes scams—both the small-time grifts that touch everyday people and the major industry cons that once ruled the pop culture landscape. Host Laci Mosley, with guest Tone Bell, recounts personal scam stories and unpacks a historical scam involving sweepstakes, covering both personal anecdotes and the legal downfall of major con artists. The tone is comedic, irreverent, and full of side-splitting banter, but the episode also drops real talk about vetting vendors and respecting the damage scams can cause.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Scam Stories: The “General Africa” Western Union Scam

• Tone shares his near-victim story of the classic “stranded in Africa” email scam.
  • [05:23] Tone Bell: "Some chick I dated back in college, out of nowhere hit me saying she was in Africa and she needed me to Western Union her some money... I was like, oh shit, Vicki’s in trouble...”
  • Laci and Tone riff on how he almost fell for it, how scammers don’t even bother with country specifics, and the emotional leverage used in such scams.
• Discussion about trusting old contacts and identifying scam red flags.
  • Key takeaway: Ask for proof (a bill, more information, verification) before sending money to anyone.
  • [06:41] Tone Bell: “Now, if you wanna get money from me, you gotta send me a bill. I need to know where it came from.”

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What’s Hot and Fraud: Wedding Photographer Scams

• Listener letter (from “Laz Simpson”): Multiple brides in Utica, NY, were scammed by a wedding photographer who, after being paid, either never delivered the photos or handed over only a handful of previews.
  • [15:32] Laci Mosley: “That’s the normal scam that I’ve heard of, but I’ve never heard of somebody coming to the wedding, taking all the photos, and then being like, you can’t have them.”
  • [22:07] Laci Mosley: “The photographer has called one bride screaming in the middle of the night, called her new in-laws... and made threat after threat after threat.”
• Breaking down the emotional and monetary impacts—especially when priceless moments like a final photo with a sick loved one are stolen.
  • [31:10] Laci Mosley: “Memories are important to people and to take away people’s memories... that’s sick as fuck.”
• Advice: Always vet photographers—search their name online, check reviews/socials, and don’t fall for suspiciously low rates.

Memorable Quotes & Banter

• [16:21] Laci (on the scammer’s audacity): “You see the wedding photographer doing the electric slide... Bro, you supposed to be taking pictures of that! What are you doing?”
• [32:59] Tone Bell (on overdue photographers): “If I’m running into you, you better have a camera with you and a laptop. You better be editing.”

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Sweepstakes Scammers

The Rise of the Sweepstakes Industry

• Context: In the 1980s, sweepstakes boomed; nearly every major company offered contests with huge prizes, but many were rigged.
• Main figures: Chuck Seidman and Steve Gross
  • Chuck got his start via his dad’s scratch-off company ("Spot O Gold").
  • As a serial high school dropout and drug user, Chuck leveraged his dad’s business for scams.
• Key scam: Rigging sweepstakes—including for companies like Trump’s Atlantic City casino—by picking winners in advance among their friends/accomplices.
  • [56:02] Laci Mosley: “However, James [the hypnotist] had to help him just one favor. Pose as the winner for the Trump Plaza sweepstakes...”
• The scam's reach: Millions diverted, elaborate prizes (trips, Cadillacs, etc.), and manipulation of corporate sweepstakes via inside jobs.
• Rigging escalates: Eventually, so many fake winners are needed that random or barely acquainted people are recruited, who then “turn” on the scammers.

How They Got Caught

• Catalyst: A tip from an ex-girlfriend of one of the “winners” to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
  • [62:34] Laci Mosley: “Katherine Wojahowitz called when Lewis... arranged for her to win an Alpo Dog Food sweepstakes and she felt something wasn’t right, so her BAE was like, oh you gonna win this Alpo sweepstakes?...”
• Charges & Legal Fallout: All main accomplices charged with federal mail fraud (which carries hefty prison sentences).
  • Some avoided jail via probation and snitching; leaders got two years’ prison and a lifetime ban from the industry—though Chuck soon found new ways to hustle.

Memorable Quotes

• [67:35] Laci Mosley: “You at court on LSD.”
• [69:56] Laci Mosley: “By the time Chuck was sent to prison in 1990, he had set up a new company and ran a number of competitions for his old client, Donald Trump... both criminals, both scammers, this seems like a good partnership. Fake recognized fake.”

Notable Sidebars & Cultural Commentary

• In-depth banter about the evolution of scams, how criminal skillsets transition through industries, and the vulnerability of consumers to schemes with official trappings.
• Connection to contemporary scams: From gym memberships' tricky cancellation tactics to “dinner with Trump” fundraising pseudo-prizes.
• [54:48] Tone Bell (on the original “rub off” lottery cards): “His name is also Jack and his product was a rub off. I’m gonna sit that right there.”

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Scammer of the Week: Madison Russo

• 19-year-old fakes cancer diagnosis on TikTok, raising $37,000 from 49 donors.
  • Her methods: Fake medical equipment, stolen photos from real patients, elaborate social media posts.
• Caught by: Medical professionals noticing discrepancies and reporting her.
• Punishment: Awaiting trial; GoFundMe ban; discussion on consequences and the need for restorative/educative justice for nonviolent offenders.

Quote

• [77:17] Tone Bell: “Her face... when a car dripping oil and they pull out of a parking spot but it’s raining and it had like that rainbow...”
• [80:20] Tone Bell (on suitable punishment): “I think, look, maybe not prison, but she should have to go teach something in an inner city school with people of color.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the ridiculousness of trusting scammers’ vague locations:
  • [06:18] Laci Mosley: “General Africa. Did they give you a country?”
• On wedding scams & grief:
  • [31:10] Laci Mosley: “Memories are important... especially ones like that where you don’t know how much time you have left with a person. Like, that’s sick as fuck.”
• On how quickly accomplices abandon ship when legal heat arrives:
  • [68:25] Tone Bell: “I was hypnotized this whole time!”
• On sweepstakes as manipulation:
  • [39:20] Laci Mosley: “Thousands entered competitions, hoping to win fabulous prizes. But unbeknownst to all but a few, these competitions were impossible to win, thanks to the seedy man that made them.”
• On scammer resourcefulness:
  • [74:09] Lacey Mosley: “After prison, Chuck developed an Internet scratch off game and even partnered with Microsoft. I love that Chuck. Can’t lose.”
• On vetting wedding vendors:
  • [33:03] Lacey Mosley: “When you put 'wedding' on anything, it’s a scam. We’ve said that a million times.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:23] Tone’s personal almost-scam “General Africa” story
• [12:20] “What’s Hot and Fraud”: Wedding photography scam listener letter
• [22:07] The impact of losing wedding memories to scam
• [37:34] Transition into Historic Hoodwinks and sweepstakes industry scams
• [56:02] The Trump Plaza and hypnotist sweepstakes story
• [62:34] How the sweepstakes scammers finally got caught
• [75:13] Parallels to Trump’s campaign sweepstakes/donations
• [75:54] Scammer of the Week: Madison Russo's TikTok cancer scam

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Structure Recap

• Opening Banter: Scam relationships, personal stories, low-level thefts
• Current Scam Warning: Wedding photography cons & advice
• Historic Hoodwink: Sweepstakes scam deep-dive—how it was done, scale, legal fallout
• Scammer of the Week: Modern GoFundMe/TikTok hoax analysis
• Sign-off: Guest credits, audience reminders, and closing jokes

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Conclusion

This episode is characteristically comedic but packed with insight, illustrating how fraud permeates every era—from wedding vendors ghosting on brides, to 1980s corporate lottery conspiracies, to Gen Z’s internet-era cancer hoaxers. Through sharp banter, personal anecdotes, and investigative breakdown, Laci and Tone Bell provide both laughter and lessons: always dig into offers that seem too good to be true, document everything, and most importantly—never send money to “General Africa.”

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Guest Plugs:

• Tone Bell on Netflix’s Drink Masters, Survivor the Thickest, Trigger Warning
• Socials: @tonebell on Instagram and now TikTok

Follow Laci Mosley:

• @divalaci on all platforms
• @scamgoddesspod on Insta/Twitter for more scam stories and wild photos

Final note: Stay scheming, but vet your scheme partners—and don’t get caught on the wrong end of a “rub off.”

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

What's Poppin Congregation?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's ya girl.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall.

[Lacey Mosley]

Enjoy this episode from behind the Paywall

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

and as always, stay scheming.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scams cause robbery and Frau Scam cause robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess what's Poppin Congregation?

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

It's your girl Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess.

[Lacey Mosley]

Welcome back to another episode of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Sometimes we love em Sometimes we Hate em. We'll see along the way. Congregation, y' all know what I am. You know what it is? I'm very. Yes. Excited. Elated for today's guest. What a get, y'. All. Today we have an amazing stand up comedian, actor, and the host of Netflix Drink Masters. Check out his first action movie, Trigger Warning, coming out soon on Netflix. Congregation, please welcome Tone Bell to the show.

[Tone Bell]

Hey, Tone, that was beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. Because they gonna hear the edited verses, so they not even gonna know.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, well done, well done. Now that take one was beautiful.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tone, I don't know if you know this, but we've run into each other a couple times and you know, a couple. It's Erica and I can't remember her husband name right now, but he bald. Anyway, they love you and told me about you years ago.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, boy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't even try.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And don't get me in trouble.

[Lacey Mosley]

I won't. I went to Vegas with my mom, my dad, and they're like a part of the friend group. And so I was literally at cabanas and bottle service with my mom and my dad. It was.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, first of all, that's pretty dope. Like, my mom would kick it like that. My dad would be like, it is loud out here. And I mean, also, he kind of a creep now. He don't know. He not staring.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was wondering where you were going with that. Okay. Yeah, you do get to a certain age where you just. You get the freedom to just stare at people because, like, old people, they will stare at you. And then you look at them in their eye and they'll be like, no, I'm still staring. What's up? Okay.

[Tone Bell]

You ever notice them dudes? Like, I would see it occasionally because, like, I would see them old dudes when, like the. Remember when the watches used to have the cameras on them? You know what I'm talking about? Like five years ago, they had like the smartwatch with the camera on it. And so you see a bunch of dudes, like over 60, just like acting like they looking for something, but they just doing like eyes up and then looking at the walls.

[Lacey Mosley]

Videotaping booty.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, my goodness.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, man. I see it all the time. It's like, bro, bro, you gotta get cleaner about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

That sounds like some technology. People were just like, I don't know what'll make people think this is different with a camera. Cause that's what you need on your watch.

[Tone Bell]

Don't nobody need that. Don't nobody need a camera. On their watch. James Bond. You ain't James Bond.

[Lacey Mosley]

Get him out of here. Right. I ain't Magnum PI for that generation. Like, what are we doing? I don't need no Spy Kids ass technology on my watch. Just tell time. Maybe some text. That's it. No, that's so funny. So, Tone, on this podcast, we always ask our guests, what's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run some scams that are outside the statute of limitations? It could be anything.

[Tone Bell]

Hate it when it happens to me. Love it when it's a low level crime and people get away with it. Yes, I used to have a. In my former life, decades ago, I, you know, I had some things going. I mean, I would call it being a thief, but yeah, I'm a different person now. And now I have things to lose, so I don't take from anyone else. But, yeah, I used to get away with some stuff back in the day. And then I have been scammed. Yes, I have been scammed. Well, I won't say scammed, but I have almost fallen for something that I thought was. That definitely was a scam. Excuse me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wait, what was it, man?

[Tone Bell]

Some chick I dated back in college, out of nowhere hit me saying she was in Africa and she needed me to Western Union or some money. And I didn't know this thing was going around. Do you remember when that was going around? Back in the day of like, yeah, people were like, I need $2,000 because I can't get my flight back, so can you Western Union me the money? And I was like, oh. I was like, oh, shit, Vicki's in trouble and she hasn't called me a year. So I know it's gotta be. I mean, and I, I'm out here calling Western Union, like, yo, I don't have it in cash, but I can take this credit card. I'm good for it. And they're like, we don't. Sir, we don't do credit. And who is this for? And I was like, y' all don't have this number. And they're like, yeah, but it's not attached to no Vicky. And I was like. So then I just hit her on, like, Facebook. I think Facebook was still popping at the time. Facebook or my shit, it might have been MySpace.

[Lacey Mosley]

Vicki must have been a baddie. You weren't even with Vicki anymore and you're on the phone like Liam Neeson from Takin trying to save her from Africa.

[Tone Bell]

We had a very Mature.

[Lacey Mosley]

General Africa. Did they give you a country?

[Tone Bell]

They just said Africa. There was no. No country. I was like, yo, we gotta go

[Lacey Mosley]

get on all continents, the whole continent.

[Tone Bell]

We gotta find Vicky, y'. All. But we had a very mature separation from how things dissolved in college.

[Lacey Mosley]

Ooh, I like that. See, y', all, y' all have to have amicable breakups so that you can call up your ex and be like, I need $2,000 to get out of General Africa.

[Tone Bell]

And then she had me. And I was like. After we talked, and she was like, no, I'm in Houston. What you talking about? Yeah, it was. So I don't fall for that shit no more. But you gotta send me. If you wanna get money from me, you gotta send me a bill. I need to know where it came from. I need to see the bill. That's how I send money. Now, if I'm a send.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. Now, did they contact you through email? Was it a text message? Like, how did the scammer pretend to be.

[Tone Bell]

They got me through the email. Yeah. Cause they had the logo.

[Lacey Mosley]

They hacked their email.

[Tone Bell]

They had the logo and all that.

[Lacey Mosley]

The logo?

[Tone Bell]

The Western Union logo.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I didn't know you could PayPal request on Western Union, like, send people a link. That's different. Also, very funny to be told that you were gonna put her life saving on credit. You were like, I need to split it between four cards.

[Tone Bell]

That's exactly what I was gonna do. I was like, I ain't got it, but I can get it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you're a good friend. I love that.

[Tone Bell]

I'm a great friend. I'm a great friend.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you get an email from my email address saying I'm stuck in General Africa, you know, go ahead. I know you got money, so go ahead and send that in cash.

[Tone Bell]

General Africa is so funny, by the way. Not even a coast. They did. The e mail didn't have a coast in it.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Not a zip code, not nothing.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

How.

[Lacey Mosley]

What airport are you flying out of? Sis, bruh.

[Tone Bell]

Bruh. I was.

[Lacey Mosley]

And flights change depending on what airport you're at. So if you're just in General Africa, like, it's different to fly from Egypt than it is to fly from South Africa. I'm confused.

[Tone Bell]

I never thought about it till just now, but, like, she must have been good to me because there's some other people that could have called up and, like, she just gonna have to be in Africa.

[Lacey Mosley]

She gonna have to stay in whatever country she has. Latoya.

[Tone Bell]

Latoya gonna have to just stay In Africa. Ain't nothing I can do for Latoya. It didn't go well the first time. Why would I bring her back?

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like, it's probably good for me that she's not in the country no more. This is probably. She could get a job over there. There's plenty of thriving countries in Africa. She gonna do well.

[Tone Bell]

I would've answered a collect call from Biggie, but Latoya, I'd have let that go to voicemail.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, man. You would have kept Latoya in their Friday night bookings over the weekend.

[Tone Bell]

No, she was a talker. She'd have got out of it.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

and it's time for what's hot and fried. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist. More often than not these days we get a little letter from you all. As always. Sn your family, Latoya, your [e-mail] just make sure the scam is retired. So retired. So we don't what? Yes. Fuck up your bag. Amen. So tone, I need a fake name from you. We don't care about gender. It could be anything.

[Tone Bell]

Lazarus. Samuels.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lazarus now from the Bible. Love it.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, you know, he don't get enough love. Last. Last Samuels.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like Lazarus wasn't a great dude.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Laz.

[Lacey Mosley]

Laz. I love Laz Simpsons.

[Tone Bell]

I love Lazarus too. Laz Simpson. Let's go with Laz Simpson. No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why is Simpson necessary? I don't understand.

[Tone Bell]

I like a good 2 7. OK. Lance Simpson. Don't he sound like. He'll sound like somebody who'll pick your pocket but go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Last. Sounds sketchy as hell. I don't think if I ever met a Laz Simpson that I would, you know, do any business engagements with them. It's just like the name Matthew. Like every mat is a scam. Like y' all not getting me.

[Tone Bell]

You don't trust no Matthew.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's too many of y'. All. Mm mm. It's too many of y'. All.

[Tone Bell]

I feel like Laz Simpson's somebody who say Laz and then say his whole name. Laz. Laz Simpson.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. It almost gives me sportscaster like a retired football player. And we have Laz Simpson on the field.

[Tone Bell]

It's been a long time since we've seen Laz Simpson.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love this for us. That reminds me of best man Holiday. And the only reason I'm bringing this up is because have you seen it? The TV show?

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, it's been a minute. Oh no. Oh, you talking about the what's it called?

[Lacey Mosley]

Best man. But it's TV show. I don't know the name.

[Tone Bell]

Oh wait, had you right. Go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

They had Morris Chestnut's 45 year old self returning to the NFL as a running back and everybody was like what man, enough.

[Tone Bell]

People didn't talk about that because I definitely have not watched it as O myq. But yeah, that's. That should have been trending. I did not see that.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's a plot hole. Like come on now. He could maybe come back as a quarterback like try to do a Tom Brady 45.

[Tone Bell]

You can't do nothing at 45 in the league. Not off that long. You got to be. You got to come right. You gotta come right back.

[Lacey Mosley]

He gotta come back as a waterboy.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, that's still training in the summer, being like, I think I changed my mind. That's not taking six, eight seasons, a decade off and then coming back and be like, I still got it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And they tried to make it like, oh, he looks great out there. And look, this is not ageist, okay? This is just what happens to your body. And you definitely can't go back to the NFL at 45. I was very confusion. But we just let it rock, okay? Because nostalgia, it was tasty. So Laz Simpson says, I'm a wedding photographer in Utica, New York. Last week, I received a message from a bride whose wedding I second shot last summer. Meaning I work freelance for another photographer. The photographer who was the primary photography vendor for this woman is refusing to give her her wedding photos. Now, I picked this because I've heard of fake wedding photographers who are like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna shoot you. Yeah, give me my deposit. And then I'm gonna pull up on your special day, and I'm gonna flick it up. We gonna get photos of everything. Your. Your something borrowed, your something. Hell, we get your toes. We can get your ankle bracelet, like, whatever you want. Yeah. And then they just don't come.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, didn't even show up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Like, that's the normal scam that I've heard of, but I've never heard of somebody coming to the wedding, taking all the photos, and then being like, you can't have them.

[Tone Bell]

See, I have heard that, though.

[Lacey Mosley]

You have? Are you married?

[Tone Bell]

No. Oh, I've seen that twice. Like, never got the photos. Showed up eight.

[Lacey Mosley]

Definitely eight.

[Tone Bell]

Hey, had a meal, dance, open bar, drank. No photos. No photos. Been there for them.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like I would know I wasn't getting photos if the wedding photographer is over here having a full plate, you know, a fish or a chicken option, and they're drinking at the bar. Bro, you are at work. You supposed to be taking photos of people. What you mean you over here. Let me get three shots of cosmigos. You are the wedding photographer just wearing

[Tone Bell]

three cameras, but not shooting none of them.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just in costume. You see the wedding photographer doing the electric slide, Bro, you supposed to be taking pictures of that. What are you doing?

[Tone Bell]

He got a piece of asparagus. He got a spear in one hand, and then he just like, no, got. You got him, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I do not want to see the wedding photographer at the bouquet toss. Like, let me get. I want to get married next. You're not supposed to be a part of this. You aren't supposed to be on the periphery. We shouldn't really notice you. You should be taking photos of our happy moment, not you all in it. That's too much.

[Tone Bell]

But like that's. It's better now because at least you know people you know got photos. If somebody scam you like 15 years ago, if they did that shit, then you just you out of there. Unless you got a, like the, like

[Lacey Mosley]

you got Kodak or the. I love that. We don't even know what it's called.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, disposable. Disposable.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, you got to get divorced if you don't have no footage from your wedding. What are you going to look back on when you're like, oh, he let this dirty draws in the bathroom again? Like, what are you going to reminisce on and keep you in love if you don't have those photos?

[Tone Bell]

Because you got to have, you got to have that on. Like, even when you mad, you gotta walk past it to be like, this why I'm in it, this why I'm in it. This why I'm in it. Remember the good time. But that's the thing. Like you gotta. Before they leave, you hire a photographer before they leave, be like, give me a copy of the raw images before you leave, before you start touching up. So at least I got a backup, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause you can send them to anybody to get em touched up. Let this be a lesson. Because the wedding photography, this is not the first time I've heard of wedding photography scams. It's the first time I've heard of them doing the job, but then just saying you can't have it, which is wild.

[Tone Bell]

That's crazy.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like getting in an Uber. And like you're like, oh, it's right here. And they're like, no, I'm gonna keep driving. Can you slip me out?

[Tone Bell]

I need to run by the house real quick, man. We are not going by your house. We are not going to your house.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll take two seconds, I'm gonna stop and edit out. Cause I gotta get some food for my kids. And then I'm gonna drop it off at the house and then I'm gonna swerve back, I'm gonna flip a picture to get you over there.

[Tone Bell]

I'll admit this. I worked at a drugstore in high school, and me and the dude that worked the photo department had a scam going where we would do. I told you, I done always lived his life.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love this for you.

[Tone Bell]

I didn't always live this very stable, above board life. Especially when you come in and bring your little camera rolls right from a wedding. People bring them in, I mean, they got 8, 10, 20 rolls. And then so we'd already go, all right, we gonna print these free. We'll take out all the dummy, all the bad ones, and then all the good ones we'll throw in there. And it'd be like, I don't know, three, four hundred dollars worth of photos. And we straight up just go, look, man, come back seven o' clock on Sunday. We got all your photos, go pick out some frames, bring them up here. We put a whole box together. And then give us 250 cash. And then you get all the shit you want.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. That's scamming big corporations. They've been scamming us. I mean that man.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah. I don't take from. I'm Robin Hood. We don't take from the little guys.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. That's what we're all about on this podcast. I also love, like seeing hustleman at the 24 hour photo. Like, hey, man, just seven o', clock, come back, have cash, be discreet.

[Tone Bell]

After the Ben was gone, put it

[Lacey Mosley]

in a picture frame. Put it in the picture frame right below the 8 by 10 with the white people. And they dog. Put it in there and then slide it over.

[Tone Bell]

We was out here getting them cash. Cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause those photos are not worth what they're charging for them anyway. So everybody wins.

[Tone Bell]

They not high gloss.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got a discount.

[Tone Bell]

That's actually when I've seen our first. When I was working in the photo department, that's when I seen my first nude selfies.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

See, that's what I always thought about.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I saw there's like a movie, maybe it's 24 hour photo or something like that where they do develop. Like, why y' all were bold back in the day. Like, y' all wanted news so bad before smartphones that you were like, I gotta get these developed and then put them in the mail. Not male nudes.

[Tone Bell]

Got a story about that.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like y' all got stamps.

[Tone Bell]

But I mean, for like. But you'd be like you 15, 16, working at this drugstore. So you. And then with the person that come pick them up, you be like, here you go, ma', am, ma', am. Here you go.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, taking nudes on a disposable camera is hilarious to me because you have no idea if you really got the shot, like if you're doing it on your cell phone, you can look and be like, oh, let me turn my body to the left or whatever. But if you do it on a disposable camera, you don't even know what you took.

[Tone Bell]

That's like waiting on results. That's like waiting on than real results. You like I gotta wait five days

[Lacey Mosley]

to see if my nudes go clear and then I gotta take my nudes to usps.

[Tone Bell]

You ever got nudes? You ever got nudes? You ever got nudes in the mail?

[Lacey Mosley]

I have not received any nudes in the mail. No, I have not. Have you?

[Tone Bell]

Well, one out of two of us has.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, one out of two. Y' all have to do the math to figure it out who it is. But so. Oh, God. So were they in like a regular letter? Was it FedEx photo? Alright. Wow.

[Tone Bell]

With the sticky pages. With the sticky pages where you put em. It was captioned with like a written caption.

[Lacey Mosley]

Captioned, that's a coffee table book.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, it was straight up blue. It was blue with the gold trim and it was like you could flip through. And it went from clothed to butt naked.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow. And there's some intrigue to it because it's like we started with the clothes on and then slowly that's. That's art.

[Tone Bell]

Very good storyteller. She was.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love that for her. Love that for her. What? The dedication. Okay.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, arts and crafts.

[Lacey Mosley]

Arts and crafts, Right. She got some star stickers in there. It was yarn. It was a little yarn around the titties on one.

[Tone Bell]

You bullshit. That's what it looked like. It was all kind of stuff in there. The effort was real.

[Lacey Mosley]

Going to joann's Fabrics to send nudes is wild. That's wild. She was like, wait, where do y' all keep the photo albums? Okay, great. And then where is the glitter glue? Thank you so much. That's wild. That's wild. Tone, you really. You really got him out here. I love that for you.

[Tone Bell]

I used to love her life. That's my old meme.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen. Delivered, delivered. We all have a past and I love it. So the primary photographer was refusing to give the wedding photos. After two weeks of correspondence with the bride, we found that there are some 16 in all caps brides that she knows of who have not received their wedding photos dating back to 2019. The brides who do get their photos back had to fight tooth and nail. And even then only got about 40 preview shots. So there were some brides who popped the Trunk on the photographer and were like, listen, aluminum bats are very cheap online. And we come in, you gotta pull up.

[Tone Bell]

You gotta pull up on them. You gotta pull up on them.

[Lacey Mosley]

You got a bride cellar.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, like, that's somebody. You probably had to contact somebody else who's about to have a wedding who they just hired to pull up on somebody else's wedding that's not at the gas station. You pull up at somebody else wedding.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Tone Bell]

You ruining somebody wedding trying to get your photos.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like they were probably stalking this person. They go to the place of business, the studio, and then they follow them to the gas station. And when they got the pump in the car, they like, bitch, they sitting there with a match. Like, I'm gonna light this whole bitch on fire if you don't give me my nuptial photos.

[Tone Bell]

That's like that right now. What's that Gerard Butler movie where, like, the police wouldn't do nothing? So he's like, I'm gonna go find it myself. Like, you try to call and he's like, I'm gonna just. I'm gonna take matters into my own hands. And then you just going out, you become somebody that you not even like, you didn't even think you was gonna be this person. You kicking down doors with my fucking photos.

[Lacey Mosley]

Everybody on the ground. If somebody get the USB drive right now.

[Tone Bell]

Where your SIM cards, motherfucker like you, you just.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just taking all of them. So last Simpson says, I'm in a group with about five brides at the moment, and they have a similar story. The clients wait the time stated in the contract before they start asking for their photos, and then they start reaching out for an eta. She continues to put. Put it off, making various excuses such as she's busy with high profile magazine, shoots, a brand new studio, her Kids, and Sudden Mr. Mysterious Medical Issues. So she was like, I'm sick. Also, I'm shooting for Vogue. Also I got babies and so I can't give you your phone. What? None of these excuses.

[Tone Bell]

Like, I got a question, I got a question. Do you think that this person, this photographer, let's say, let's start at the beginning. Wedding number one. I have a question about this. Not the first wedding in the story, but this photographer's first wedding. Do you think this person happened upon a camera and was like, ooh, I' ma shoot weddings, right? And then throughout these weddings, it wasn't that they didn't have the photos, is that they was all bullshit. These photos are trash. They don't know how to use this camera. The lighting is bad. So really, you taking the money? Yes. It's still a scam. But also they just a trash ass photographer.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the streak, the streaks all across all the photos, everybody eyes red.

[Tone Bell]

So they just practicing from wedding to wedding until they get better than she gonna actually sell it.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving. I don't know how to do photoshop because blurry. The photographer's supposed to edit the photo, so maybe they're blurry out of focus and also she can't edit them.

[Tone Bell]

You can't practice on game night though. You know what I mean? You gotta just get. No, you gotta have a friend put on a dress and go to a park and be like, let me figure this out for you. But you can't be practicing at my wedding.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? There's certain things that I don't wanna be the first time that you did it. Like I'm going into surgery. You like, this is my first one. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tone Bell]

I don't want no first time pilots. I don't want a first time dentist. I don't want a first time photographer.

[Lacey Mosley]

Nope. Yeah, there's just certain things. Oh, definitely not first time dentist. Woo. I've been there. I still am beefing with the dentist that I went to at 16 who I told her I wasn't numb enough and then she drilled into my nerve and like, have you ever had tears shoot out of your eyes involuntarily? Cause that's what happened to me. I feel like dentists are a scam. I feel like they invented rock candy because that shit looks pretty but it tastes disgusting and it fucks up your teeth. I feel like they're into big rock candy and I'm not fucking with it. Sorry to the DDS's out there. I found me a good one finally, but I had one that scammed me. And then even. Okay, he's. I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, but I need a visual.

[Tone Bell]

What tooth? What tooth was it?

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is a different dentist, but the other one was in my molar. But I've had a lot of bad dentist experience. But this one, I went to his office and he had Balenciaga pillows. He was playing bad bunny on the TV screen. Cause I only go to dentists in expensive areas. Cause I'm like, you gotta make rent, which means you can't fuck me up. So you gotta be a good dentist.

[Tone Bell]

Nobody that has sales, no discounts, I don't know price charging me extra. Go ahead I'm with you.

[Lacey Mosley]

No. Two for one. Root canals. No, no, no. Buy one, get one free molar. No, no, no, no, no. Thank you. He was so mean to me. I remember he was like, oh, my

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

God, your teeth are in such a bad shape.

[Lacey Mosley]

And da, da, da, da. Because I had waited through the pandemic because, like, okay, it's a pandemic. Like, the last place I want to go is someplace where y' all gonna be in my mouth, like, breathing the COVID into my tonsils. Why would I do that? Absolutely not. So when I went, I had, like, some cavities, and he was like, wow, this is like. He was just talking to the hygienist. And I'm like, n. I'm here. And he's like, oh, this is so bad.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Ugh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Da, da, da, da, da. And even the way he pulled my tooth, I had to have another tooth. My wisdom teeth. I still had them, but I had to get them pulled. He pulled one of them. And why did this man brace himself? He put one foot on the chair, and then, like, was yanking real hard, and I was like, oh, I'm at a prison dentist. And I thought because of the balenciaga pillows and the bad bunny on the flat screen and all white, that I was at a fancy dentist. Tell me why this man died. And I had already moved on to another dentist. But this was a few months after I moved on from him. He died. And I got an email saying, like, oh, he died. But also, y' all can keep y' all appointments because we gonna keep the. The dentistry place open. Cause that's what he would've wanted. This man was not sick. He died suddenly. What do you mean? That's what he would have wanted. He was sick. Also, to put all that in one email. Like, you couldn't give us one email that was like, y' all terrible news. He died. And then another one like, y' all can keep y' all appointments. It was just like a blurb, like, okay, so he died. But hold on. Y' all still coming for y' all cleaning. I was like, excuse me.

[Tone Bell]

You can pay your respects by keeping your appointment and showing up Tuesday to 50 when you said you was gonna be here. Yacope is the same. We'll see y' all there. Rip.

[Lacey Mosley]

Sign an email. Rip not. You can honor him by still coming to your appointment.

[Tone Bell]

Low key.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's what they were saying. I was like, this is insane.

[Tone Bell]

Yo, what's crazy? I've never met 22. I've never met anybody else who had that same experience. Because that shit happened to me years ago too. One of my dad. My dad's an engineer. One of my dad's clients. I didn't have dental insurance at the time, so one of my dad's clients was like, oh, I got him. I'll hook him up. Just tell him to bring, like, $80 cash. This dude numbed a tooth, the wrong tooth, and started cutting a different tooth.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Tone Bell]

So now he's slicing, and I had, like an impact tooth, or molar, whatever it's called. And same thing when you said the leg. I felt that. I re. Felt that leg. Cause he threw that leg up like Lisa from Temecula in that SNL skit, put it on the chair. I mean, he get. I mean, he getting in there. I mean, he just, like, trying to crack it. And I'm like, I don't think you a dentist. I think you remove teeth, but I don't think you a dentist. I don't think that's what you do for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't think it go like that. I think they just be giving anybody a dds because then when I went back to my good dentist, because I lost him, I didn't know where he was for a while. And when I went back to him, I had. That's another story. I can't do all that. But I had to get another wisdom tooth pulled. They numbed me. They did some little thing. And when I tell you it was just the easiest, painless, no bracing yourself procedure. And I told them. I was like, wait, I thought y' all was gonna have to put the leg on the chair and yank it. And the dentist looked at me horrified. And I was like, yeah, that's what so and so did. And I guess the dental girls know each other in that neighborhood. And he made this face like, ooh, yeah, no, you shouldn't have been going.

[Tone Bell]

You know. You know that Dennis used to be a wedding photographer. You like what?

[Lacey Mosley]

Truly. Truly. So to end this so we could get on to historic hoodwinks last, Simpson says these brides have seen it all. The photographer has called one bride screaming in the middle of the night, called her new in laws, who have nothing to do with the negotiations, and made threat after threat after threat. She states that she's going to archive photos and refund them. However, none of the brides have received a refund. To add insult to injury, this photographer posts herself to daily. Dancing around in lingerie in her new studio, bragging about all the new clients she's taking on one Bite states that she now lives in fear of the woman. Her dad has potentially cancerous tumor and all she wants to do is share the wedding photos of him walking down the aisle. Oh no. Oh. And then not only is this photographer receiving a minimum of $3,000 from each of the brides and not delivering the photos, but she's also robbing them of their precious memories that are meant to hold on happiness their entire lives and turning it into a a living nightmare.

[Tone Bell]

Wow. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, I Damn, damn. You hit me at the end last. Because memories are important to people and it's a take away people's memories, especially ones like that where you don't know how much time you have left with a person. Like that's sick as fuck. Also you calling people and threatening them. You being debo about photos that they paid for. What?

[Tone Bell]

And then I gotta watch you online. Enjoy yourself.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's really the lick. That's what like you doing tiktoks.

[Tone Bell]

Why you I can't look, if I lend you money, I better not see you on vacation.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, if I lend you money, I better not see you at Starbucks buying a coffee. I'm gonna be like, oh, oh, you got money for a flat white but you can't pay me back? What's going on?

[Tone Bell]

Lunch. If I see you, you better have made that yourself. You better have made that yourself. Nothing that came with a receipt that you'd have to turn an oven on for. That shit better be homemade.

[Lacey Mosley]

I than my groceries and is and are also. You need to really cosplay as like the most down bad. I better not see you in a cute fit. You better wear burlap sacks on the gram until you pay me back. Okay. You better look like a 1920s pickpocket.

[Tone Bell]

For real.

[Lacey Mosley]

Until I get my money back for.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, I am man last getting me to. I am upset. I am. I'm not happy.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't want to see you at no restaurants, not even Applebee's, not even for the two for 22. No, you don't have 22 till you pay me back.

[Tone Bell]

If I'm running to you, you better have a camera with you and a laptop. You better be editing. I'm so far behind. I'm so far behind. Girl, I got you as soon as I can. As soon as I can get to you, I will. You better be stressed. Baby in one arm, laptop camera slung around. I mean, you better be typing. You gotta. You got an old school mouse. You look.

[Lacey Mosley]

You better be constantly sweating. Oh, my damn bad.

[Tone Bell]

I'm Hot.

[Lacey Mosley]

But this is. You know, y'. All. You have to vet your photographers. I know. Wedding. Wedding. When you put wedding on anything, it's a scam. We've said that a million times on this podcast. Y' all better tell them y' all having a love party and. And so you can get the price down. But vet your photographers. If you find a photographer you like, go online, see if they have. Go on Facebook, search their name on the Internet, make sure that they. Because the girls will talk when they've been wrong. So Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, yes, they will. Girls will talk when they have been wronged. And that applies for a lot, not just wedding photography, but go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, men too.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, yeah, sometimes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Have you seen all these podcasts with the men? And I don't even think they were wronged. We need to stop selling mics to cisgendered men until we figure out what the hell is going on. Because y' all don't need microphones. Tone you good. But it's a lot of your counterparts that need equipment.

[Tone Bell]

I've gotten better. I've gotten better.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you say females on the regular, you do not need podcasting equipment.

[Tone Bell]

That's difficult, depending on where you from. I'm from Atlanta.

[Lacey Mosley]

Question at the store.

[Tone Bell]

It took me a long time to stop saying females. Cause I'm from Atlanta and that's just how we talk. But I've gotten better.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love that for you. You don't scam. You don't say females. What a glow up.

[Tone Bell]

Thank you. We're my gold star. Gold star for Marcus.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. Robbery.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

and we are back for historic hoodwinks. My favorite part of the podcast. I will regale Tone with a famous concept group of criminals. We don't know yet. We're Going to see. Just like you. I do have a note at the top, because, you know, we don't scam journalists. This story is primarily research from Jeff Maishaw's New York article, Donald Trump and the Sweepstakes scammers. Content warning. There is a mention of substance abuse. All right, so we're going back to the 80s, which. That makes sense for a mention of substance abuse, because apparently everyone was on cocaine. So in the 1980s, sweepstakes were crazed right before they started putting fentanyl in it.

[Tone Bell]

I would have tried it in the 80s. I can't try it. If I was grown in the 80s, I might have given it a shot.

[Lacey Mosley]

One of my favorite jokes in Black Monday, which I waited too long to watch, shout out to Yasser Lester, is somebody comes into the office. It's all about Wall street people, which are notorious for doing cocaine to this day. Someone comes in the office who does the drug dealing. He's like, hey, y', all, I got a new drug. It's called crack. And everyone was like, oh, that sounds dope. Let me let two cracks, please.

[Tone Bell]

So new people don't know how to order that shit yet. No.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause it's hot on the streets. And when you think about it, that's the risk you're taking with every drug you've never taken before. You know, people are like, oh, I popped a Molly or whatever. But, like, yeah, you would be like, two cracks.

[Tone Bell]

I got a story that I probably should tell on this podcast. Well, I'll tell you afterwards. Oh, my God. Okay. And this is recent. Okay, go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, okay. I can't wait. So in the 1980s, sweepstakes were the craze, and almost every major company and they all participated in them. Thousands entered competitions, hoping to win fabulous prizes. But unbeknownst to all but a few, these competitions were impossible to win, thanks to the seedy man that made them.

[Tone Bell]

Ooh.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this brings me back to one of our first scams, the McDonald's scam, where homie was just stealing all the game pizza. I watched that one, but, okay, so who. I didn't love McMillions just because it was such propaganda. I was like, I want to see, you know, more of homie. Like, I don't want to see y' all being like, we went through his trash. Like, I want to see what he was doing with the money. So during the 1960s, when Chuck Seidman was a teenager, his father, Jack Seidman, ran his own promotions business in Philadelphia. Okay, Philly. Yes, I know the Eagles lost The Super Bowl. I'm a cowboy.

[Tone Bell]

So.

[Lacey Mosley]

After finishing his service In World War II, Jack developed and patented one of the first rub off lottery games, using gold leaf to conceal the prize underneath. Now, I love a scratch off. They're calling it a rub off, but that's a scratch off.

[Tone Bell]

Rub off was hilarious. But yeah, they had to turn. They had to change that name. Go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

I got scratch offs in my house right now because that was me and my grandma's thing. We go down to the corner store and get scratch offs and I don't know, every now and then I gotta do it. Connection. Okay. So we're looking at the scratch off right now. Since the OG Gold cash dividends, everybody wins. Cash dividends, fair. I love this. I love this because it would have got me. I would have picked up how much? 5, 10. I'm gonna be a millionaire, so. And I love that on this ticket, it doesn't say how much you could possibly win, because now scratchers are like, you could win up to a million dollars or whatever. This just says cash dividend. Does it tell you how much you don't know what your investment could return? They're just like money you could get.

[Tone Bell]

I wish they did. Right now, I could fall for like spectrum scratch off. I'd go in and like, have a bill paid. Verizon. Buy some Verizon.

[Lacey Mosley]

For companies?

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, for companies. Yo, you ain't gotta pay the bill this month. I'll give you extra 10 to see if I can win a free month.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Don't give them any ideas. They already taken all our money from us. You know, if we went into Verizon @&t any of those, and they were like, scratch off. You could win a new iPhone. Nobody would ever win. The most you would get is they would be like, you got a popsocket. Give us a case, you get a cleaning rag. Congratulations. Now pay for that phone like you was meant to.

[Tone Bell]

Where my money?

[Lacey Mosley]

So his company, his company Spot O Gold was one of the first to create such games and soon took over the market through offering rub offs in convenience stores and grocery stores. I want to call them straps scratch offs from here on out. Cause rub offs is giving me. It sounds nasty.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, it's doing a good job for me, but go ahead. I understand why you changed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Rub me off. No, I don't want to rub nothing. No. So his son Chuck was a serial high school dropout. How are you a serial high school dropout? I feel like he drop out and then he dropped out. So he's just coming back. Okay. And he was a teenage drug addict. According to adult Chuck. I was in seven detoxes, and none of them worked. Seven detox solution was to hire seven.

[Tone Bell]

Seven. That's still a lot. That's still a lot.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's still a lot. But I think it's kind of one of those things of, like, if you wanted to do it, then it works. But if somebody ships you in there and you not ready, then it's not gonna work. And that's the scam of rehabilitation centers. I think they be hoping for repeat customers.

[Tone Bell]

Hell, yeah. It's like a gym. I hope you get fat again, not a gym.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like how planet Fitness be serving pizza. Like, what are you doing? That is the antithesis of why we're here. I mean, eat what you want. This is not shamin'. Like, I love food. It's not shaming it. But it's just interesting to be like, oh, I just got a great workout. And they're like, yeah, would you like a tub of lard before you leave? What?

[Tone Bell]

This is how they should get you. The gym is free, but parking is, like, $12 a day.

[Lacey Mosley]

Love that. But it's gotta be automatically charged. Cause, you know, gym memberships are a scam. Like, they used to make you write letters and mail them in to try to get out of your gym membership. Because some places still do.

[Tone Bell]

We not gonna write no letter. I am not writing an essay. I'd rather pay you 45.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm not going to USPS.

[Tone Bell]

I'm not doing it.

[Lacey Mosley]

But nowadays, you just gotta pull up in person. Like the brides. You gotta pull up and be like, if you don't take me out of this membership, I will fight everybody in this gym. Cause during COVID my gym membership, they were trying to still charge, and I was like, girl, we can't even go over there. Like, what is we doing?

[Tone Bell]

No, no, we gonna add months on till later. No, you're not.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, you're not. They're like, we got an online app. No, that's not the same. I can go on YouTube. Give me my money.

[Tone Bell]

But we got some towels. Shut up and give me my money back. Don't give a damn about these towels.

[Lacey Mosley]

We left eucalyptus on them. Come on, now. You don't want your sinus path to be cleared up. Come on, now.

[Tone Bell]

We giving out locks for the lockers. We giving out locks for the lockers.

[Lacey Mosley]

And also, gyms make it like a breakup. Like a romantic breakup, when you're like, hey, I don't wanna come here anymore. They're like, why not? What did we do? And it's like, bitch, I said I don't wanna come here no more. Let's get to the termination process. They're like, no, but let's talk first. Come in my office. No, bitch, cancel. Stop.

[Tone Bell]

They closure method is trash. Like, we broke up. That's it. It is what it is. One of us ain't happy. I gotta go. It don't take both of us to break up. It'll only take one.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like, this is a mutual relationship. No, no.

[Tone Bell]

It go one way.

[Lacey Mosley]

I didn't.

[Tone Bell]

And get these towels outta here. Quit putting these goddamn towels on me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Come on. Feel how soft they are. We got fabric softener now?

[Tone Bell]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Give it two more weeks.

[Tone Bell]

No, I don't.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then when you try to contact

[Tone Bell]

them again, you lucky I got somewhere to go.

[Lacey Mosley]

We give you a free smoothie. Literally. And they know. They make it so arduous on purpose. So we're talking about Chuck, right? Chuck says he went to seven detoxes. So Jack, his daddy. Jack's solution was to hire Chuck's friend Stephen Gross to work at Spot of Gold in the hopes to keep Chuck off meth. Okay.

[Tone Bell]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

He's on meth? So? Yeah, so, but according to Steve, meth is one of those drugs, and this is no shade to addicts or anybody, but meth is one of those drugs that if somebody was like, hey, come over. I got so much meth, I'd be like, no, I'm. I'm okay.

[Tone Bell]

I just didn't know meth was out there.

[Lacey Mosley]

Bottles at the crib or. Or weed. Yeah, but, like, if you say meth or crack, I'm like,

[Tone Bell]

I didn't know meth was out that long. So wait, hold on. So Jack is the dad, and then

[Lacey Mosley]

Chuck is the son?

[Tone Bell]

Chuck is the son, and then Steve came over to work with dad.

[Lacey Mosley]

So the son to get Chuck off meth.

[Tone Bell]

Right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. You got it. It's still confusing, but you got it.

[Tone Bell]

That's it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, so. But according to Stephen, who's the friend, that was impossible. Chuck was this kind of narcissistic personality. You couldn't tell him what to do. At 16, Stephen had already began to make a name for himself in the company's development department, even successfully pitching Baskin Robbins Cone O Gold campaign. So you predicted this tone. So now Baskin Robbins has gotten into the. Like, we gonna do scratch offs. Y' all come in here, and maybe you'll get one of these 31 flavors for free.

[Tone Bell]

Boom. Boom. I told you I used to do this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't get me in the door.

[Tone Bell]

I used to do this.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know it. Ugh. Love. Love that you're here. So at the same time, Chuck discovered that he could take advantage of working at spoto gold and. And steal tons of $2 lottery cards normally delivered in secure trucks. Wow. So now he's stealing from his daddy. That's very disrespectful. So Chuck won tons of cash, most of which he spent at the Atlantic city boardwalk, which, you know, used to be popping before it died. And then all the casinos were.

[Tone Bell]

What do you do with stolen money? You try to make more stolen money?

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Flip it.

[Tone Bell]

Flip it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why not? That sounds like a business to me. Also, normally, when you work for a company that does sweepstakes or anything like that, you're not allowed to cash in.

[Tone Bell]

You ain't allowed to play.

[Lacey Mosley]

So as young adults, Steven and Chuck parted ways. As Steven went on to go to college and sell lingerie and later, cars. Okay, Stephen.

[Tone Bell]

Mm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Go ahead. Chuck fell deeper into his addictions, to the point where a local restaurant to whom he was indebted to for his cocaine blackmailed him into stealing a win a gold spot, a gold game ticket. So a restaurant that was also selling

[Tone Bell]

cocaine was hoping you was gonna come back to this. Cause I have never gone to a restaurant for cocaine. I've never gone really anywhere for cocaine, but definitely at a restaurant.

[Lacey Mosley]

I worked at a restaurant that sold cocaine, and I can't get specific because you will figure out what it is, but the servers were selling cocaine. They'd be like, would you like the brand xeno? Also an eight ball? Like, I've been at places where this happens.

[Tone Bell]

I pick up what you put down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So in 1984, Jack paid off $60,000 in drug debt for Chuck, now 33. So Jack slid in, even though Chuck was trying to steal these spoto golds to pay off the coke man at Arby's. And his daddy pulled up and paid for him. Chuck is 33 at this point, but he's. You know, it's his son. He's trying to take care of him. However, Chuck's continual mistakes created enough tension in the relationship that they got into a fist fight, which prompted Chuck to break off ties with his father and begin his own sweepstake company with Steve. So Steve is back. I was wondering what we were talking about.

[Tone Bell]

I mean. I mean, how. I mean, Steve, out here, you'd rather partner with a crackhead than the dude who got $60 worth of bail?

[Lacey Mosley]

You selling Savage Fenty and cars. Why, why are you partnering with this?

[Tone Bell]

You also can't trust somebody dropped out of school as many times. But you know it's the 60s, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

Or the 80s.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, this we in the 80s?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we've been in the 80s. So they named the company CB Seidman Marketing Group, or CBS in the hopes that the television network would sue them and earn them more publicity. So they intentionally did copyright infringement so that they could hopefully get in the papers. And honestly, what an influencer move for the 80s. What a publicity style.

[Tone Bell]

I'm not mad at it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it.

[Tone Bell]

I'm not mad at them at all for this. I am not.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. They said, we're going to court and we're gonna serve fits. We're gonna make sure the paparazzi's there and we're gonna get our bag. So slowly, Chuck began stealing his father's clients one by one for himself.

[Tone Bell]

I'm sorry, I gotta say this. That's probably how meth started out as like Crack two and then crack sued meth. Cause it was called Crack two. And they like, for copyright infringement, they like, y' all need to come up with a new name. It's like. But Crack two is pretty good. It's like, well, fuck meth, we meth now. But now meth already on the map because they decided to come after crack. All right, go ahead.

[Lacey Mosley]

Crack is Kirkland brand method. They really, instead of Cheerios, y' all get in circle weeks. Yes, I kind of love it. So his specialty was creating elaborate prizes such as convincing a dog food company to give away luxury vacation to not just one winner, but 49 of their friends and family. Chuck expanded CBS by opening. That seems like a sweepstakes. That's too good to be true. Also, I don't think of 49 friends and family that I would want to bring on vacation. Like maybe 12. 49.

[Tone Bell]

49. That's not like cheap.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also. What an obscure number. Why not 50?

[Tone Bell]

What? Well, I guess you gotta go, are you 50? You're one in there. 49.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's given 999.99.

[Tone Bell]

But didn't nobody have 50 friends back then?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, no.

[Tone Bell]

We the only generation with like math. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Chuck expanded CBS by opening an arm of the company to handle mail in promotions, a department run by two teenagers he had met in a parking lot.

[Tone Bell]

Great job, Great job.

[Lacey Mosley]

Y' all want to make some money? Yeah, we got, we got a part time job from the parking Lot. I'm not taking no jobs from the parking lot. No, but they're teens.

[Tone Bell]

Male openers. Is that what you mean? They work?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, they working. And, you know, teens, like, the whole reason that they have a lower employment rate is so that, you know, they can give kids, like, the smallest amount of money so that they can buy the, you know, kid shit and liability.

[Tone Bell]

They get in trouble, they ain't going to prison.

[Lacey Mosley]

Facts. So the teens were Timothy and Lewis, and they were convinced to work for pennies.

[Tone Bell]

Just like they sound like trouble. Listen to that again. Timothy and Lewis. They sound like some assholes.

[Lacey Mosley]

They do. Timothy and Lewis were probably in the parking lot trying to check doors to see if any were unlocked so they could steal goods at the glove compartment. And they're like, y' all want a legit job?

[Tone Bell]

They was probably stealing people mail out of their cars or something. He was like, do I have a job for you?

[Lacey Mosley]

That's recruitment. Okay, Chuck, let me see.

[Tone Bell]

Open that letter.

[Lacey Mosley]

So they didn't have LinkedIn, I guess. So he had to go to the parking lot to see who was down to do crime. Now that they ran the show, Stephen and Chuck realized they could sneak more prizes from the sweepstakes by rigging the competition and picking their own winner. The first win was 10 supermarket sweep tricks to Toys R Us from a royal desserts company. So it's like a competition from Royal Desserts, and they're like, if y' all buy these desserts and y' all bring these scratch offs, like, y' all could win a trip to Toys R Us, which I guess is only really appealing to parents. So at the time, no one seemed to be breaking any enforceable law in order to create an appearance of wealth. Chuck and Steve, who had much better credit. Steve had much better credit than Chuck. They purchased three limos to ride to meetings, in addition, a BMW and a luxury Cadillac. So they were giving the vibes of rich when they pulled the. They pulling up to the Burger King in a limo.

[Tone Bell]

I'm laughing. I'm laughing. Cause Steve, of course, had better credit than Chuck. Because Chuck buy all his shit cash. Chuck don't make no credit purchases. Chuck all cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's right.

[Tone Bell]

He all cash.

[Lacey Mosley]

Now, if we were talking street cred, Chuck would have better credit because he's been out here with the mob.

[Tone Bell]

Absolutely.

[Lacey Mosley]

Buying his drugs.

[Tone Bell]

He been alive this long, he good for it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Honestly, I think street credit should be a part of credit. Credit's already a scam. I should be able to get five records preferences that I paid Back to get a home loan. I don't understand why that's not a thing.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, this sounds like a website. We need to.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah, the new credit homie Credit, yo.

[Tone Bell]

Street credit call people, they know that we need that street cred. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. So at the same time, his father's business was failing. Between the loss of clients and the introduction of Scratch off, which was a patent of Jack's Rub off, which made his business obsolete. Now I'm gonna say, Jack, I'm sorry, I did not love Rub Off. I wish that you had thought of Scratch Off. It's just sexier. And I hate that somebody got up under you and stole that from you. That's not right. They did crack two to you. We don't like that. We don't like that. I mean, you know, we hate that for us.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, you know, maybe Jack, he should have transitioned early. But like maybe, you know, I mean,

[Lacey Mosley]

his name, he's the blockbuster of Scratch Off.

[Tone Bell]

His name is also Jack and his, his product was a rub off. I'm gonna sit that right there. I'm just gonna leave that right there and say he was trying to do

[Lacey Mosley]

it then put that together.

[Tone Bell]

I just put it together. I know. And it's sticky when you think about it. So I will move on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Tone Bell]

I know.

[Lacey Mosley]

Wow.

[Tone Bell]

This is not what you get in my comedy shows, I promise you. But people listening understand what I just said. That wasn't too bad. That was too bad.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think we got it. Oh, wow. Wowzers. So Jack and Chuck remained unreconciled while Jack died of a heart attack in May of 1986. I'm sure he was so stressed because his business got stolen. His son stole his business. Damn, I feel bad for Jack. With his father's death, CBS took spot of gold and his remaining clients. Damn, Chuck, you ain't right. By this point, the sweepstakes industry was now a billion dollar industry that nearly every top brand seemed to participate in. But with the increase of success came increase of Chuck's substance abuse. So they're living high. He's full wolf Wall street and it's not good. So according to him, I was on 10 Valium pills or Xanax pills a day and several tranquilizers. So he's moved on from the uppers to very, very down.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

His wife Susan became so frustrated that she called. Wait, James. Yeah, Come on now. You know, men can get wives. You know, straight men. You don't gotta be shit to get away.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, crackheads do be having Chicks, though, I mean, that's just. We see it. I don't even know why I'm surprised. I don't even know why I'm surprised.

[Lacey Mosley]

So his wife Susan became so frustrated that she called this hypnotist, right? James Parker, in hopes that he could fix her husband, James Parker. So James has studied hypnosis since his first witness at a carnival at seven years old now, a carnival. If you see your profession at a carnival and then you try to take it legit, I don't know about that. So his ultimate dream was to become a famous traveling hypnotist, which is why he almost immediately found himself in Chuck's living room, putting him in a trance. Okay, we getting very sleepy. It's giving that. When Chuck woke up, he claimed to be cured and declared that he was going to make James the most famous hypnotist in America. However, James had to help him just with one favor. Pose as the winner for the Trump Plaza sweepstakes.

[Tone Bell]

Timeout. Hypnotist. You a great hypnotist. You can't be hypnotized and then wake up being like, guess what? I don't do crack no more. You're not even supposed to remember crack. What kind of hypnotist? I don't know. How you gonna remnant erase all that shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wrote him into a crime.

[Tone Bell]

Why would you go immediately? You love crack, but when I wake you up, you gonna be like, I don't like crack no more. Just get crack out of here. Make it broader.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feels like, I hate crack, but I love crime and you have to help me. But anybody who gets their profession from then, we already know what he's on. So as a part of CSP operations, was creating turnkey sweepstakes promotions for companies. They had created a campaign for one to try Trump's flagship casinos, the Trump Plaza Casino in Casino. Why am I saying that wrong? In Atlantic City, Trump built a $30 million parking garage to entice more visitors. However, not enough people were using it. So he turned to csb, who suggested he print promotional parking tickets that when collected, could win prizes. So now you just parking. They were like, it's plenty of street parking, but if we do this rub off, we might win a prize.

[Tone Bell]

I might scratch my ass off in some free parking and other prizes. What kind of prize are we talking, Jack?

[Lacey Mosley]

A prize for going to a parking garage is wild to me. So these prizes included Walkmans. That was the time, cash, an eternity of vacations. Not vacations till you die. Till you go to the Upper room or even a Cadillac. Chuck simply needed James to pose as the winner of the grand prize and sell it for cash with a kickback to the company, cbs. Over several days, an assistant collected enough tickets until James came to claim the Cadillac Elante convertible grand prize worth $55,000, which is about $140,000 today with inflation. So this is the hypnotist. Ooh, it kind of still look a little clean. It's definitely given 80s cars were so square in the 80s.

[Tone Bell]

I love it. I rock that right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

They're like square. Looks like the future.

[Tone Bell]

It look fast.

[Lacey Mosley]

However, three days after j. Right, it looked even better. Look at that box. Ooh, that box fast.

[Tone Bell]

Make it look like a brick. Bricks be fast, but with wheels.

[Lacey Mosley]

With wheels.

[Tone Bell]

A brick with wheels.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. That's gonna get everybody. They gonna know I got money, okay. When I'm driving around with my. My rectangular vehicle. Love that. However, three days after James won, the 1987 stock market crash occurred, Also known as Black Monday. That's so wild because I brought up Black Monday earlier. That TV show on Showtime. It's so good, y'. All. Three seasons get into it. Suddenly, no one wanted to buy the car. They eventually sold it for half price, and James ended up keeping $4,000, but was stuck with a tax bill on the entire prize. That comes back to that. Oprah. You get a car. You get a car.

[Tone Bell]

You get a car.

[Lacey Mosley]

When Oprah gave out all them cars, they didn't pay the taxes for them teachers to have them cars. And a lot of them ended up having to sell it or having to pay, like seven grand in gift tax.

[Tone Bell]

So wasn't that the Pontiac? That was the Pontiac GT, wasn't it? G6, the Pontiac GT or something like that? Anyway, I can't remember.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought it was a Toyota.

[Tone Bell]

No, it was that. No, I don't think it was a Toyota. I think it was a Pontiac or something from Michigan.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was a mean lick. Cause they were so excited. And then Uncle Sam was waiting right outside the door of the studio, like, hey, before you get these keys, rummy minds. It's like, we. The whole point is we're broke.

[Tone Bell]

That's cause people be like, this is too good to be true. And I never say stuff like that. I go, man, it's too good to be true, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And was.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was a lie. Still, he immediately used the money to book a plane ticket to Paris for a date with an opera singer. So he's still flexing with this little bit of cash. He got you know? So in addition to continuing to use James to help him win prizes, Chuck also recruited his former cable man, Anthony Dandridge. So somebody came and gave, gave him some bootleg cable. He was like, hey man, you wanna make a little money on the side as well? Also, how you have the same person? How do you have James winning multiple prizes? Nobody saw the newspaper and was like, ain't that the same dude who.

[Tone Bell]

And that's back when people read newspaper. So they knew who James was. Yeah, well, James is probably mad. James probably. You know what? James knew the game. James go, I better win again. Cause I got $17,000 of taxes to pay and I ain't bring home before. So I'm 13 in the hole. Your boy gonna win again, you hear me? I'm gonna call the real CBS on your ass.

[Lacey Mosley]

I traumatized him. He's like, give me another prize. And Chuck was like, yeah, cool, cool. And I'm definitely not doing crack no more.

[Tone Bell]

I will make you love crack. Don't think I won't.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll take it back. I'll hypnotize you back into it. Let me say the magic words. You gonna be down bad.

[Tone Bell]

Abra, Abra.

[Lacey Mosley]

Don't make me get to the cuh, okay? Why? Don't make me get to the lie. Okay. Better give me money. So Anthony, the cable man was lured by Chuck's promises to turn him into the next Bruce Lee. Okay, now why does the cable man want to be Bruce Lee? Okay, as he had recently opened a kung fu school in Richmond, Virginia. So I love how he lures these men with like, I'm going to get your school popping. He's like, what are your aspirations in life? As he's installing the spectrum, he's like, I want to be a kung fu mask. What?

[Tone Bell]

That's how you know, like cable men always wear them one piece jumpers. When he got off work, he just put the belt on around and went straight to the karate school.

[Lacey Mosley]

He said, right now everybody's not kung fu fighting, but if you would like them to be, come win these fake prizes with me.

[Tone Bell]

He started working with people. He never shaking anybody hands. He was just bowing up front. He's like, yo, man, just shake my hand and stop bowing. Why are you doing this? Oh, I ain't tell you. I do kung fu. No, man, that's not why I invited you here. Well, I'm gonna need a little something.

[Lacey Mosley]

Fix the cable box.

[Tone Bell]

I was talking to James.

[Lacey Mosley]

He installing your cable. Like, no, no, we don't want that. We don't need that. Why is he doing karate? Hands to my cable box. What is happening? So if Anthony won the $200,000 prize money from Alpo Dog Foods, he would be allowed to keep 25,000 to start a national martial arts academy where Chuck kept the rest. Okay, so Chuck and Steven thought that they'd never get caught, as there were no laws yet written about sweepstakes. However, it was one call from a once teenage employee. Lewis. Not Louis coming back. It's Louis, girlfriend to the United States Postal Inspection Service. I have told y' all about fucking with the US Mail. They will get you. That led to their downfall. So getting caught. We're wrapping it up. So Katherine Wojahowitz called when Lewis, which was her ex boyfriend, arranged for her to win an Alpo Dog Food sweepstakes. And she felt something wasn't right, so her BAE was like, oh, you gonna win this Alpo sweepstakes? Why you called the US Inspection on your man? Yeah, but he must have been a trash boy.

[Tone Bell]

She was supposed to win and didn't win. So because she didn't win, she called the Authority. Like, that's how everybody get called.

[Lacey Mosley]

Somebody scoring. You can't cut people out of the money when you do a crime. Everybody has to.

[Tone Bell]

If I don't win, we all don't win. I'm taking everybody down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Cause now I have no liability. I didn't actually win. I could act like I didn't know what was going on.

[Tone Bell]

And y' all want to jail him, him, him, him. They told me I was gonna get 25,000. And then. And then what happened? Her plane crashed. Hmm.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. So as a USPIS agent, Dan. It was just a professional hater job. Daniel Smyers began investigating the company behind the competition. James and Chuck were running into trouble with the winners. As they ran through their roster of friends of winners in quotes, they called on more questionable people, which led to the posers actually winning the competition and making off with prizes before CBS could demand their cut. So basically, as this inspection hater man starts to dig into it, the winners, the fake winners are like, ooh, it's hot over here. Y' all getting in trouble for crime. I'm actually gonna just win. And then I'm above board, and I'm not giving y' all a cut.

[Tone Bell]

You know who that is? That's them 49 close friends. That's exactly. That's them 49 close people that you would've took on vacation with. That's exactly who that was. Because you go outside too far, somebody Gonna end up talking. So you try to keep it close, but don't know. Can't nobody keep their mouths. Because, like, here's the thing. If I show up with a boat, you know I ain't got boat money. You pull up to that apartment complex with a boat, like, man, I know you had boat money. Oh, bro. Now, you gotta explain to somebody, Let them win something. Then they come out with this Cadillac Elantra or whatever it's called. And then now you just got a bunch of apartment people with shit that they don't know how to use. Jetskis.

[Lacey Mosley]

And these are liabilities. Cause they're like, I'm a snitch on you if you don't let me keep the whole prize. Cause now what is your hold on them? Before, they were in on the grip. But now that they know the government on your ass, they like, listen, you either let me keep the full 200k or I'm calling 911.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, I'm telling everybody. I'm telling everybody. Alvin lived with his mama how he got a jet ski.

[Lacey Mosley]

He talking about, when we going to the beach. He gonna give us all a ride. Huh?

[Tone Bell]

We going to the beach. We live in Nashville.

[Lacey Mosley]

There's no beaches.

[Tone Bell]

Ain't no beach here.

[Lacey Mosley]

They were like, look, Chuck, Steve, if y' all don't let me keep all this prize money, I'm gonna start mailing out letters, okay? It's gonna take three to five business days. But people gonna know your business. They're gonna know you're up to. They're gonna know you're up to something shady. So as they ran through their roster of friends to be winners, they called on more questionable people. Because now the homies who used to do it, they're not given the prize money. So now they're just going to, you know, back to the parking lot to find whoever's questionable. Which led to the posers actually winning the competition. And making off with the prizes Before CBS could demand their cut. So even now, like, everyone's taking their cut and being like, fuck cbs. Chuck became more frustrated and unpredictable. Even removing Steven from company accounts. And threatening his family when he spoke about it. So again, just like the wedding photographer pulling up, threatening.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, what you really. What you really gonna do exactly? I mean, if I'm about to win 50,000, and then I'm like, I'm keeping 15. Let's go. I think I'm gonna keep this 50,000. What you really gonna do?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, who gonna check me, boo?

[Tone Bell]

I mean, unless you.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gonna take me to court.

[Tone Bell]

Unless you send some people after me. But I got 50,000. Now I can hire protection for a little bit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Chuck should have invested in the mob. But then he would have had even more money taken from him. Because they're gonna get theirs.

[Tone Bell]

Yeah, they want that 90.

[Lacey Mosley]

So in 1988, with mounting lawsuits from former employees and clients, Chuck's unpredictable behavior. Steve left CBS and started his own promotions company. Chuck left CBS and then took the kid from the parking lot who had called the feds and made his own company. That doesn't seem smart.

[Tone Bell]

No, no, no. Louis girlfriend did that. Louis probably didn't know nothing about that. That was Louis boo.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but you're already making weird moves. Why is your boo selling you out? I mean, you ain't get her nothing for Valentine's Day.

[Tone Bell]

She probably. Well, no, you know what? It was because she died in a plane crash two days later, wasn't it? Or two weeks later.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she died in a plane crash in 2002. So she was very much alive at this point.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. Continue.

[Lacey Mosley]

That was just a detail Kalyn gave us. So not long after Agent Smyers, the hater who's been snooping, was able to track down the hypnotist James and kung fu master Anthony Woo, he gathered enough information to show CBS had been illegally rigging the games. A year and a half later, Chuck, Steve, James, Anthony, and Lewis were officially charged with mail fraud. Mail fraud is. That's how they get you. That's a bit. With sentences up to 30 years, you can't do fraud in the mail, y'. All. You gotta walk to their door, hand it to them. That's how you do fraud. Don't put your fraud in usps. They will come get you, okay? They got them Forever Stamps for your ass.

[Tone Bell]

That's fresh. That's federal.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. No, you don't mess with them. So they were collectively estimated to have won around $2 million, $5 million in today's money in cash prizes. After admitting to taking LSD 400 times during proceedings, Chuck pleaded guilty.

[Tone Bell]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

You at court on lsd.

[Tone Bell]

What?

[Lacey Mosley]

Chuck.

[Tone Bell]

Chuck, please. Chuck is an American hero. Against all odds against dropping out of high school and then getting introduced to crack and meth and then working his way up to scam. I mean, he lasted way longer than any other inspirational. I mean, if you gonna go down, go down in flames. And then he was in the courtroom like, look, man, I understand. I'm high right now.

[Lacey Mosley]

We need a poster like that. I don't Remember none of what y' all talking about. That's how he pled guilty. I would retract that. I'd be like, I was high on LSD when I pled guilty. I didn't even know what y' all were talking about. So Stephen also pled guilty, while James, Anthony, and Lewis were guilty of trial.

[Tone Bell]

I was hypnotizing. Talk to James about that shit. I've been hypnotized this whole time.

[Lacey Mosley]

He told me to scam, and then he never gave me the magic word so I could stop.

[Tone Bell]

He never said cadaver.

[Lacey Mosley]

You feel me? So that's why I was scamming. So. But I love that Anthony, Lewis and James were like, we innocent. And they were like, we're going to trial to fight this. And they were like, no, you're going to jail. You're definitely guilty. So the latter were sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay thousands of dollars in restitution. So James, Anthony, and Lewis only got five years of probation. They just had to pick up trash, which means they definitely snitched. They went in there and just started listing flip.

[Tone Bell]

They flip.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love that. I think they're doing more flips than Simone Biles.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, you know, it's hard to go to, like, real prison for something federal when you mail. Come on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Nah, I would have flipped, too. I'm like, how many names y' all want? My mama got unpaid parking tickets. What? How much do you need? Get me out of here.

[Tone Bell]

Give me a pen and a piece of paper and Big Mac and some fries. I write down everybody. I can't go to real prison.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. No, we're not going to prison. Prison. So Stephen and Chuck were ordered to pay more than a million dollars of restitution to the companies that they had ripped off. And both were sentenced to two years in prison. Two ain't bad.

[Tone Bell]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Both were permanently banned from the sweepsex industry. But by the time Chuck was sent to prison in 1990, he had set up a new company and ran a number of competitions for his old client, Donald Trump. Y' all both criminals. Y' all both scammers. This seems like a good partnership. Fake recognized. Fake.

[Tone Bell]

I told you guys. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. As much as I hate these people, they know how to do wrong, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

They do.

[Tone Bell]

Once again, all of this.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love Chuck. He's a very good guy. He's just visiting jail for a couple of years.

[Tone Bell]

Never heard of him. Never heard of him.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's right. You're right. That's what it would be. He's like, I never met the guy.

[Tone Bell]

Chuck. Sounds like something I had for lunch when I was 8. I've never heard of him.

[Lacey Mosley]

You're true. That's exactly what would happen. So the industry almost immediately died down after Kraft mistakenly printed 500,000 winning tickets for one of its campaigns instead of one, resulting in $4 million of compensation.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Why wasn't I buying singles at this time? I wasn't alive, damn it.

[Tone Bell]

Ooh.

[Lacey Mosley]

So James has since made a career as a Las Vegas hypnotist, specializing in hypnotizing NBA players struggling with confidence problem. What?

[Tone Bell]

Getting rid of them yips for the league. James out here was like, I need to go get out of this. I need to get out of this scam business and go do the Lord's work through magic.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's like Shaq. He's like, you're gonna make the free throws. You're gonna make the free throws.

[Tone Bell]

Or my Cowboys kicker who couldn't make these field goals. Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm a Cowboys fan.

[Tone Bell]

I'm a Cowboys fan. I didn't know you were a Cowboys fan. I'm a Cowboys fan.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, so you love pain.

[Tone Bell]

It's a hard.

[Lacey Mosley]

You love getting your hopes up.

[Tone Bell]

It's an abusive relationship. It's all emotional abuse. But it happens.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is. And then Jerry coming out, trying to keep the black people from going to school. I was like, jerry, now he already sick of your ass. Good Lord. Not you in the black and white photos. Doing the. We figured you was a racist, but,

[Tone Bell]

like, quiet, older racism I get. But. But come on, man. Burn these pitches, bruh.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? You got so much money. We got new stadiums, even though we haven't won a Super Bowl. Like, I was at Cowboys minicamp when I was five. I have pictures of me in the uniform. Like, we can't.

[Tone Bell]

My first starter jacket was 1992, actually. I had the pro starter. I just got the real starter two years ago for Christmas. Like, the throwback from, like, a consignment vintage store. So, yes, I've been on for a minute.

[Lacey Mosley]

Anyways, our scam, being scammed by 11. The Cowboys. So, absolutely, Steven went on to own a Philadelphia strip club called Daydreams. All right, everyone. Steven has had many careers. He is a serial entrepreneur, and I love that for him, he was selling panties, cars, scam rub offs, and now he's owning a strip club. Okay, Stephen. So Anthony was able to expand his kung fu operations to 15 other states. Wow.

[Tone Bell]

Everybody else, kung fu operations. That's what I'm Talking. Yeah, that's how you say that. Kung fu operations. Hell, you better have your llc.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's giving llc Twitter. It truly is Kung fu operations.

[Tone Bell]

Kung fu operations.

[Lacey Mosley]

He went out and bought a bunch of different colored belts and said, let's go.

[Tone Bell]

He been. He been out there, like, on the power poles. Hey, man, my cable ain't working. Soon as I finish this set, he

[Lacey Mosley]

can break a cable box in half with his hand. He said, the kids are like, why don't we have wood? He's like, no, y' all better break these cable boxes. Son of taught you.

[Tone Bell]

He been out here trying to point like, they gonna take this pole down in two weeks. Nah, give me eight hours. I get this shit down.

[Lacey Mosley]

He just keeps chopping away at it. I also feel like at his kung fu schools, it's not just, like, white belt and then yellow or whatever. He's like, white belt, cream, belt off, cream. He's, like, keeping him coming back.

[Tone Bell]

You have reached zebra belt. Okay, man, ain't no zebra belts around here. What kind of school is it? What kind of karate school is this?

[Lacey Mosley]

You got cheetah belt. Okay, you're so close to black. Just keep working and keep coming and paying for my kung fu.

[Tone Bell]

Trying to make you so much an animal with discipline. Okay, Anthony. Next week, we opened Ohio. Okay, stop it, Anthony.

[Lacey Mosley]

We got a new location in Wisconsin, the Corn belt. Also, all of this was taking place in New Jersey, which makes absolute sense. So after prison, Chuck developed an Internet scratch off game and even partnered with Microsoft to run them. I love that Chuck. Can't lose Microsoft. Bill Gates of them.

[Tone Bell]

This is giving a real catch me if you can.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love it. He did a little stint in jail. They're like, oh, your resume has a gap. He was like, oh, yeah. I took two years off to find myself in federal prison. That part's quiet. That part's silent Bill.

[Tone Bell]

Do you know what you're doing? I'm the best, baby. I'm here, ain't I?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I took some time to work out, read, be in the yard, yo, if

[Tone Bell]

you can scam people this long, you got to be the best, truly.

[Lacey Mosley]

So he passed away in August of 2009 from liver cancer. Donald Trump continued to use sweepstakes in his political campaigns, promising a chance to win a dinner with President Donald Trump in New Orleans for donations of any amount. Not you doing the dinner with Jay Z. Donald Trump. However, no winner was ever announced, and a Trump representative said there had been an administrative error. Yeah, what was that error?

[Tone Bell]

Fraud.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm gonna Start. I'm gonna start selling fake shit and be like, oh, y' all didn't get the stuff? There was an administrative error. We forgot to administrate the stuff that we told you you would get.

[Tone Bell]

Well, I've been buying stuff on. What's the website I've been buying stuff on? What's the one where people make stuff at home and then you buy it and Etsy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Etsy, Yeah.

[Tone Bell]

I done bought my dog a collar three times because the people called me back. Oh, man, I ain't gonna lie. I forgot about it. I'm like, give my money back. Why? Cause you didn't make what we agreed on. That's why I want my money back.

[Lacey Mosley]

But why they gave you the gym membership? They were like, wait, why you want your money back? Because you didn't get what I said. I was what you were supposed to.

[Tone Bell]

That's what you did. You didn't do what you were supposed to do.

[Lacey Mosley]

I thought we were vibing. We only talked, man. Less mail us a letter and tell us what we did.

[Tone Bell]

You know what? Keep $45. Cause you know I ain't writing no goddamn letter. You know I ain't writing no letter.

[Lacey Mosley]

Go to the post office, tell us what we did in writing, and then we'll send you the money back. Okay, well, that brings us to the saddest part of the show. The part where I have to let Tone go. But before we do that, a quick scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. And today we're talking about 19 year old Madison Russo, who's been caught after scamming $37,000 from 49 concerned donors after falsely claiming she had pancreatic cancer. So Maddie was arrested on January 23rd on first degree felony theft. This teenager. Oh, she's a teenager. Oh, let her free. She's a kid. She's playing on the Internet. Oh, she does. It's not giving teenagers.

[Tone Bell]

I mean, that's a grown woman. That's a hard hardship face. That's why people donated. They were like, she must have been rough.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it's giving. She's been living hard.

[Tone Bell]

That's a lot of wear. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she documented her cancer in quotes. Battle on TikTok, and through her GoFundMe page and claimed to have had a tumor the size of a football wrapped around her spine. Content warning. This girl is wearing an offensive amount of tanner. Oh, wow, Caitlyn, I'll kill you. She is wearing a lot of tanner. And it might be contributing to her old age. Look, look, it's giving fruit leather. But, you know, to each his own. Listen, if you saw Charlie in the chocolate factory and you were like, that's my look.

[Tone Bell]

Her face is like. You know when a car dripping oil and they pull out a parking spot but it's raining and it had like that rainbow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, we, I don't know, they trash talk kids. But she scammed people and pretended to have very serious disease. So yeah, it's fuck them kids for this one. So she also claimed to have given talks about her health at events for the National Pancreatic Cancer foundation, which the foundation denies. So she was like, oh, I was just doing a speaking engagement. We couldn't video in there. It was no cameras, very much like fiance. Eventually.

[Tone Bell]

It faces like a raw Cinnabon. Like it just got all the cinnamon and sugar on it, but it ain't been baked yet.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, no, that's a perfect description. And it's tearing me apart.

[Tone Bell]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I love this mugshot because her eyes are so wise. She's like, damn, they got, they got. It looks like she's startled. It looks like they snatched her from wherever she was and immediately made her take a photo. Like she's still in shock that she got caught.

[Tone Bell]

Like she got halfway through her makeup.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? She was probably on TikTok beating her face, talking about her fake cancer like, like, ow, it hurt today. Like, what girl?

[Tone Bell]

This nose up. She didn't get below the nose all that raw.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. We give in two different skin tones. They call her mid bronzer for sure. They were like, hands up, put the bronzer down. Put the Huda video.

[Tone Bell]

Drop the bra.

[Lacey Mosley]

Drop the beauty blender. Put your hands in the air. Lay on your face. So Maddie began to be discovered in early January when witnesses claiming to be medical professionals anonymously contacted authorities saying they believe there to be many medical discrepancies in her social media posts. Now Google is free. Maddie, why didn't you Google this? This included incorrectly and potentially life threatening use of medical equipment in addition to allegedly stealing photos from accident actual cancer patients and posting them as her own. The GoFundMe page was still taking donations until it was taken down in late January with the message, Maddie is currently undergoing vigorous chemotherapy and radiation treatments that are making her very sick. Meanwhile, it was like Maddie is has transferred these funds to her bank of America. So all donors will be refunded and Maddie is permanently banned from the platform. She was released on a $10,000 bond hours after her arrest And. And is currently awaiting court. I don't know if we put Maddie in jail for a fake GoFundMe. I just feel like that platform. You gotta know that maybe when you give your ten sympathy dollars, they're not going to the right place. Who gives a shit?

[Tone Bell]

I don't know. I think, look, maybe not prison, but she should have to go teach something to an inner city school with people of color.

[Lacey Mosley]

Teach. She just go, you wanna sit. You wanna sic this person on up.

[Tone Bell]

No, in person. In person. And just let these. You know how rude high schoolers are now. They give her hell. I mean, they gonna snap so hard that, I mean, her emotions, her. Her insides, she gonna feel like she got. She gonna feel like she had a tumor. That's what it's gonna feel like. It's gonna feel like she had a tumor by the time these high school kids get done with it. Let them have their cell phones or TikTok. They ruin her ego. That's what they should do. Do.

[Lacey Mosley]

Hey, yo, there go Tropican, Florida.

[Tone Bell]

Oh, two K. Sam looking like.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, she definitely needs community service and. And something that's productive. I don't know if I would say jail, but also not pictured here, but I saw photos about this when I saw the story. She was using medical equipment and like taping fake things to her chest. And like, really, when I tell you she was giving cosplay like she was in the hospital, she really sold it.

[Tone Bell]

That's why, like, you should have a license to. I mean. Cause you can go get it. If she go to a medical supply store wearing scrubs, somebody gonna sell it to her. She just changed clothes and put her gown on. You can't be trusting these pictures, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

You can buy hospital gowns all willy nilly. You're right about that. You know how people look at this?

[Tone Bell]

Look at this.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's taped to her face. She got a pair of cord iPhone for the headphones. I just stuck them deep in her nose so we can't tell.

[Tone Bell]

She just out here like this. She just out here. Y' all can't see me at home, but she just out here and she like. Hold on, wait, wait. Let me tuck it in. Wait. What side is it on? Let me tuck it in. Let me tuck it in. This side. There we go. Do I look sick? Do I look sick now?

[Lacey Mosley]

Is this working?

[Tone Bell]

That's sad, Manny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Also, who are her friends and family? She has good friends and family because they did not snitch. And clearly they would know if she was in treatment they the medical professionals snitched on her on TikTok. Not her mama, not her daddy, not any friends. She got a loyal community and circle, unlike Chuck and Steve.

[Tone Bell]

I wonder if her parents are around. What her mama say? They got a quote from her mom or something down there. What her mama say?

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like her mom was like, I don't know her. Like, who?

[Tone Bell]

Maddie's always been distant with mental health. Like, come on, man. Maddie a creep.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maddie happens to be an ass also. Why would you think that you could go there? Especially TikTok. That's where the girls are, like, gonna research you. They're gonna be in the comments. They got all the terminology for every illness, disease. Why would you think. And they love to be detectives. TikTok. People love to be like, oh, y' all can't solve this cold case. I will.

[Tone Bell]

TikTok ain't nothing but social sleuths. That's exactly what they are. That's exactly what they are. I wonder how she get caught. Did you say how she got caught? How'd she get caught?

[Lacey Mosley]

Again, it was medical professionals who started to tip off, like, the police and stuff, because they were like, none of this is adding up. And these photos, they're reverse image searching and realizing they're not her photos. Yeah, TikTok is the Harriet the Spy app. Don't go on their line because they got magnifying glasses. And they will find you.

[Tone Bell]

They will find you, and then they'll

[Lacey Mosley]

make their own TikToks about it.

[Tone Bell]

You shouldn't even have as much energy in this stage to put a TikTok out like this.

[Lacey Mosley]

Well, Madison, I hope you don't have to go to the clink, but I hope you learned your lesson. I'm a. I don't think Madison's done. If you lie that hard. You went on Amazon and bought you some medical equipment. She's going to be like, chuck, she'll continue doing

[Tone Bell]

round one. This is probably. She probably did a soft one just to open up. And then this one took off quicker than she could, like, shut it down.

[Lacey Mosley]

Soft launch scam.

[Tone Bell]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. That's how I would have done it.

[Lacey Mosley]

And you are an expert. We got expert on the podcast.

[Tone Bell]

Expert X. Expert X. I never did stuff with the computers. With the computers. I never did stuff with the computers.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. No. And allegedly did other stuff. We don't know what. You know what? I don't think he did anything.

[Tone Bell]

You know, it's all hearsay these days, Truly.

[Lacey Mosley]

Allegedly. Allegedly. And that Brings us to the end of an amazing podcast. Thank you so much Tone for being here. We always ask our guests where would you like to be found? Any socials, shows, websites with the inn, all of that.

[Tone Bell]

Watch drink masses on Netflix. I got a new show coming out with Michelle, Michelle Buteau and Tasha Smith called Survivor the thickest on Netflix. In a few months, I'm sure. Trigger Warning, Coyote versus Acme coming out of theaters this summer. Instagram is just Tonebell. T O N E B E L L and I just started TikTok. Actually I didn't have a TikTok and then so I just got on TikTok. I'm trying to figure that out and then I'll be out here in these streets just on tour making people laugh. So yeah, that's me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And as always, guys, stitch on your friends, friends and [e-mail] and if you want to find me D I V A L A C I D valacy on all platforms if you want to see all of these wild ass photos. Scam got his pod on Instagram if you want to chat with me. Scam got his pod on Twitter. Congregation stay chucking. You know, get out there and get your chuck on. Never quit. Never stop. Scam Goddess.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

This has been an earwolf production in association with Team Coco.

[Lacey Mosley]

Scam got as stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA the Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Cargbo, our recording

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

engineer is Abby Aguilar and our audio

[Lacey Mosley]

editor is Jessie Karan. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brand.

[Podcast Producer/Promoter]

Stay scheming.

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[Lacey Mosley]

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