The UK Gambling Gambit with Jerah Milligan

Summary

Scam Goddess – "The UK Gambling Gambit" with Jerah Milligan

February 25, 2020

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Episode Overview

In this lively, comedic episode of "Scam Goddess," host Laci Mosley is joined by actor, comedian, and fellow podcaster Jerah Milligan (Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood) to explore one of the UK’s wildest lottery scams. The pair banter through cultural quirks, personal scams, generational wealth, and, of course, break down the notorious UK lottery caper involving Edward Putman and an inside man—revealing why almost every good scam is ultimately doomed by greed.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Spirited Banter and Cultural Commentary

• Names and Black Identity:
  • Laci teases Jerah about his last name, "Milligan," and the quirkiness of Black Americans carrying Irish names due to history.
  • Memorable moment (01:35):
    • Jerah: "You know, like, it’s an Irish name. I’m Black. People get mad confused."
    • Laci: "Why do you have an Irish name?"
    • Jerah: "Somewhere, the slave owners were, like, just Irish…"
• Family Background, Upbringing, and Wealth Stereotypes:
  • Both commiserate and joke about the assumption that Black people always come from underprivileged backgrounds and how success or money in Black families challenges these prejudices (04:21).
  • Laci: "There are Black people with money… Why are you assuming that? I didn’t have that struggle. I grew up around a lot of white people."
• Food, Cooking, and Pop Culture:
  • Joky debate about whether white people know how to season food; Emeril gets name-checked, and the Popeyes chicken sandwich shortage scam is discussed (05:37):
    • Laci: "Popeyes would put up signs that they were out, when really they had it… All you have to do is go inside and be like… you really out? And they'd come get me one."
    • Jerah: "That’s a setup! Does a Black person own Popeyes?"
  • Laci uses her past bacon grease burn as a personal "cop scam" to get out of a speeding ticket (06:36).

Fraud on the Streets: Listener Letter – The Fake Cop Warrant Scam

• Scam Breakdown (08:33–16:38):
  • A listener, "Tisha," a psychologist, shares her story:
    • She received a call spoofing a real police department number, told there was a warrant for her arrest for missing expert witness testimony.
    • Laci highlights the prevalence and sophistication of spoofing, notes how giving badge numbers is often a scam tell.
    • Jerah: "Why is a cop calling you? I’m hanging up. Don’t call me."
    • Tisha called back the actual police, who confirmed the scam—a real cop would never call to warn you about a warrant.
  • Contextual Commentary:
    • Laci: "Anyone who calls to give you a verification number, hang up. That s--t is fake."
    • Jerah jokes about security paranoia: "You could be hacking into my stuff as I’m talking to you! Keep him on the phone, see if you can find his location." (13:34)
    • Both riff on how family scams ("random cousin asking for money") parallel stranger scams (16:46).

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Historic Hoodwinks: The UK Lottery Scam

Main Scam Story (19:06–45:11):

The Con’s Players and Setup

• Edward Putman and Giles Nibs:
  • Jerah delights in the "British-ness" of their names:
    • Jerah: "Putman... Giles Nibs. The audacity to name your child Giles!" (19:20)
• The Scam:
  • Putman (with insider knowledge from Camelot security employee Nibs) forges a winning lottery ticket for an unclaimed £2.5 million prize (roughly $3 million) in 2009.
  • Nibs, as a "Mister Fix-It," figures out how to beat the system, using information seen while working late (25:07). There’s even trial and error with unique code combinations—Putman visits 29 stores before landing the right code (28:56).

The Fallout

• Success... Then Greed:

  • Putman lives large, collecting cars—"up to 50 at his home," but mostly cheap ones.
    • Jerah: "2 mil ain’t that much... Maybe he was getting lots of Kias." (31:28)
  • Putman’s inability to fairly split spoils with Nibs leads to tension ("He could’ve given my man the money he was asking for! Don’t get greedy. That’s one of the essential rules of scamming" – Laci, 45:11).

• Personal Drama and Downfall:

  • After years of tension and incremental payouts, Nibs, feeling betrayed, becomes erratic and starts revealing the scam. He dies by suicide under pressure and the friendship’s collapse (39:36, 45:03).
  • Putman, in a twist both comic and pathetic, reports Nibs to the police for burglary and blackmail—despite their shared crime.
    • Laci: "You can’t use the police when you’re doing crime!" (41:26)
    • Jerah: "You beat his legs, you don’t go to the cops!" (41:41)

• Legal Consequences:

  • Judge bluntly states: "You would have gotten away with this quite plainly, but you were greedy."
  • Putman is sentenced to nine years for fraud (44:10).
  • Both hosts reflect on the consistency: "When you get greedy, that’s when your s--t blows up." (43:49)

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Scammer of the Week: OpenTable vs. Reserve Reservation Scam

• Summary (46:06–54:38):
  • OpenTable employee Steven Addison made hundreds of fake reservations using phony names (“Hans Gruber,” “Jimmy Smits”) at Chicago restaurants via competitor app Reserve, making it look unreliable/empty on big nights in hopes restaurants would drop Reserve.
  • Laci marvels: “Why you gotta go to jail? This is called capitalism. This is literally capitalism. This is what Americans do.” (48:45)
  • Jerah: “This is so petty, I love it. This isn’t even a real scam, it’s just a swindle some dude did.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• "There are Black people with money. Why are you assuming that? I didn’t have that struggle." – Laci (04:21)
• "Popeyes would put up signs that they were out, when really they had it… All you have to do is go inside and be like… you really out? And they'd come get me one." – Laci (05:39)
• "You know what, if you black at the office, start acting like what white Chad would do…you gonna get promoted." – Jerah (23:58)
• "Whenever you get greedy, that’s when your shit blows up." – Laci (43:49)
• "When you’re in the game, you gotta be in it." – Laci, on reporting your criminal partner to the cops (41:39)
• "This is called capitalism. This is what Americans do." – Laci (48:45)
• "Don’t get greedy. That’s one of the essential rules of scamming, congregation. Don’t get greedy." – Laci (45:11)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Name Banter & Upbringing: 00:48–04:47
• Food/Pop Culture/Personal Scam Stories: 05:37–07:19
• Listener Letter: Fake Cop Scam: 08:33–16:38
• Historic Hoodwinks: UK Lottery Scam: 19:06–45:11
  • Scam explained: 19:06–31:43
  • Downfall and aftermath: 31:43–45:11
• OpenTable vs Reserve “Reservation Scam”: 46:06–54:38

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Tone, Language, and Energy

• Constant Playful Roasting & Cuss-Filled Banter
• Mix of Personal Anecdotes, Social Commentary, and Scam Education
• Casual, Irreverent, and Informative—Rooted in Black culture and comic honesty

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Primary Lesson: Most scams fail because of greed, broken trust, and inability to keep cool after a big score. Even elaborate ones like the UK lottery heist will unravel if you can’t split the loot and stay silent.
• **Never trust any caller (even "official" numbers) who asks for personal information or says a warrant is out for you—just hang up.
• **Corporate game-playing (as in the OpenTable scam) isn’t just “petty”; it’s criminal—though sometimes feels like standard American capitalism.
• Final sign-off (as always): “Congregation, stay scheming!”

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Follow-Up & Further Engagement

• Jerah Milligan: @jerahmilligan (Twitter & Instagram), Black Men Can't Jump in Hollywood (Forever Dog Podcasts)
• Laci Mosley: @divalaci on all platforms; [e-mail] for scam stories
• Scam Goddess TV: Catch it on Freeform and Hulu (from Jan 15th)

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In summary:
This episode is a perfect Scam Goddess ride: a blend of education, laughs, raw honesty, and classic tales of human folly, capped with warnings about greed—and reminders never to trust anyone who calls out of the blue about “official” business.

Transcript

[A]

Scams C, Robbery and Frauds. Scams C, Robbery and Fraud. Scam Goddess. What's up, congregation? We're back with another episode of Scam Gaddis. Guys, I'm so excited for. I always say this. I always say I'm so excited, but I am. I'm excited for every guest that we get because they're so funny. We have one of the legendary hosts from the Black Men Can't Jump In Hollywood podcast. What if I just talk like that the whole time? Like that? You guys would kill me. You already hate my voice, Jerome. It's Mulligan, right?

[B]

It's Milligan.

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Milligan.

[B]

Damn. I get no respect. God. The legendary podcast. You were a guest on my podcast, and I get no respect on yours. All right, I'm sitting in a corner.

[A]

All right, Nigga, you sat in the corner. Anybody tell your ass to sit in the corner?

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You ain't tell me not to sit in the corner. All right, this how you start all the rest. You relegated.

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Just.

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This is how you treat the guests. This much aggression.

[A]

Nobody done nothing to you. You got a Pop Tart. You got water.

[B]

First off. First off, they can't see, but your fingers are pointing. I feel like you want to snap these nails. They can't see it, but, audience, I

[A]

ain't about to snap these nails. Okay, listen, Dra. Now, I asked how to pronounce it, okay?

[B]

But you seem like I get dragged a little bit.

[A]

That's fair. That's right. Guys, this is Gerard Mulligan. I did say Mulligan. And you, like, when you look at your name, like, the brain automatically reads Mulligan.

[B]

But you know what? You know, like, it's an Irish name. I'm black. People get mad confused.

[A]

Yeah, it is an Irish name. What's up with that? Why do you have an Irish name?

[B]

I think somewhere, the slave owners were, like, just Irish. Maybe they're Irish slave owners.

[A]

They all just stayed. Y' all was like, nigga o'.

[B]

Connor. Yeah.

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Cause you were not. You ain't change it, because this is my thing.

[B]

I feel like, you know, when St. Patty's Day come, because it's the day before my birthday, you know, Shameless plug for my birthday. It's like, I celebrate it because I got the birthday and the Irish name. So I'm like, hey, yo, you never seen a black Irishman? We here.

[A]

Oh, my God. We out here.

[B]

You know, I won't say, kiss me. I'm Irish. Because I'm like, you know, you just can't be having people just Kiss up

[A]

on you, Put their mouth on you.

[B]

Yeah.

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You don't know them, but okay, okay, that's fair. That's a scam in itself. You out here just saying that you Irish, you don't really know you get free drinks.

[B]

I mean, I could be.

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I know you should get free drinks if you're a black Irish person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why not experience more of the struggle? My last name is Mosley, and I had a chemistry professor, or not professor, but teacher in high school who. Their last names were Mosley, too. Like a husband and wife. And they both worked at school. They spelled the same name, like, the same way. And so I would always, like. I joked with her one time and made her so uncomfortable because she was a white woman. And I was like, oh, yeah, we have the same last names, like, spelled the same way. I was like, maybe your people owned my people at some point.

[B]

Honestly, though, she turned. Beat me about it. She should think about it.

[A]

She should think about it.

[B]

She think about it. It's probably real. I ain't out here for these tears. Don't feel sad, right? Say, I'm sorry and go buy me a car.

[A]

That's what we want. In reparation, we've upgraded from a mule to a Mazda.

[B]

They took the mule in the 40 acres back. So you know what? I'm upgrading.

[A]

I want three miles. What's bigger, 40 acres or three miles?

[B]

I don't know math. I don't know math. Cody, what you. 40 acres.

[A]

That's so dumb.

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I don't know.

[A]

I'm so dumb. It's 40 acres.

[B]

But how. How. But how is 40 acres is that close to. Listen, I don't know how land works. I live in a New York apartment. Okay. I don't know how it works. Yeah.

[A]

You're like, I've never experienced land.

[B]

Yes. Space. I don't know how that.

[A]

I've never experienced land. No. That's a lie. I'm from Texas. I've experienced so much land and probably, like, horses, too. My family owns a lot of land. All my aunts used to live on one hill. And I would, like. Like, on the holidays, we would go over. We would visit every aunt who lived on the hill because they all cooked something different that was specialty.

[B]

Are you from, like, one of these, like, black families? I always see, like, the Southern white families that do, like, the pageants and every.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you from, like, that same thing, just black?

[A]

Yeah, but I didn't do pageants. I didn't do pageants. I did have a college coach. I Did a college coach. Yeah.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

Like, this woman I would drive to see in Dallas who would, like, help me be more competitive when I was applying to college. Now, I didn't do the college entrance scam, guys, okay? I did everything almost legitimately.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. Time out. But I love this, though, because I feel like you don't even. People don't even know black folk exist in that kind of, like, world.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are black people with money. And that's the funny thing is, like. And it's a weird racism thing, like a dog whistle where people assume you grew up poor. And I'm like, why are you assuming that? I don't. I didn't have that struggle. Like, I literally had, like, a showrunner be like, oh, you know, this is how everybody did it in Philly. Like, y' all didn't do it like that. And I was like, no. I grew up around a lot of white people.

[B]

I was. I was safe. I had. We had yards, okay?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like, we. We had things.

[A]

We had yards and backyards. My mom would throw parties, and the white people would work them.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

Yeah, my mom would only hire white

[B]

people to work them. Yo, I'm reading this book right now, and it's like, someone asked me to, like, help adapt it, and it's like, it's hard because it is that. It's like black people, like, reversing what happened to black people. And I'm like, man, I can't imagine hiring an all white staff. I'd be like, Cause if you making the food, I'm like, do you know

[A]

you try to put.

[B]

You know how to make. Like, are you going to make this macaroni and cheese? Right?

[A]

You talk about seasoning.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

There's plenty of white people who can cook. Come on, Emeril first.

[B]

What?

[A]

What?

[B]

I've never seen Emeril pull up macaroni and cheese out the oven, okay? This is my thing. I'm not talking about these.

[A]

Pepsi is with it. He was eating a Popeyes chicken sandwich. He.

[B]

Oh, but he got one. That's how I don't trust him.

[A]

Yeah, he liked flavor.

[B]

I don't trust him. He got it.

[A]

What do you mean, I got one?

[B]

How you get one?

[A]

Yo, it was a scam. This was a scam. So Popeyes will put up signs and say that they were out of the Popeyes chicken sandwich when really they had it back. So all you have to do is go inside and be like, hey, I see your sign says you're out, but you really out. And they'd be like, nah. And then they come get me one.

[B]

They didn't say, want the lines? They was like, we about to say, hey, yo, we out also. What a good setup. Like, does a black person own Popeyes? No, black person don't.

[A]

They just got that black lady who like his like, I love this chicken. I made it myself.

[B]

You think she got some extra money?

[A]

I'm your auntie.

[B]

You know what I mean? Her hands don't even be dirty. I'm like, listen, my auntie's got burns.

[A]

She probably don't even eat chicken. I know when you ain't make no fried chicken, she don't got no elbow burns. So you ain't got. She ain't make that chicken.

[B]

Grease burns.

[A]

I have a huge grease burn, actually.

[B]

Really?

[A]

On the back of my calf.

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Wait, what? Did you run away from the pot?

[A]

It's very traumatizing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was frying bacon, and I took. This is the country's shit. I took the oil off the stove, too, like, right after I cooked the bacon. So it was hot and it sloshed a little bit. And it got me bad. It got me a month. Oh, my God. I would wear an ACE bandage everywhere because I was so embarrassed. Because it was, like, hot, pink, huge scar, and I have very dark skin. So I was, like, wearing this ACE bandage to the point where one of my calves got smaller than the other because I'd work out. But the crazy thing is, I used it as a scam because I got pulled over once for speed, and I was like, I just got burned. I'm going to pray.

[B]

I'm going to the er.

[A]

And they let me off. They let me off with a warning.

[B]

Yo, man, listen. I need to get better at those cop scams. Cause they be getting me.

[A]

Oh, nah, brah. Especially as a black man.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

You need to be able to cry on cue, man.

[B]

I had a story that was so good once. I was driving my stepdad to the Special Olympics. It's hip. My parents are older, so my parents are, like, 70s, mid-70s, driving my stepdad to a Special Olympics. We got crutches in the front. I'm in the slow lane, my mom in the back. This dude still dragged me out the cop. Like, it didn't even. I didn't know what was happening yet.

[A]

Was your dad competing in the Special Olympics?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he was horseback riding or whatever. You know what I mean? He won some medals, but it was a very traumatic time to get there. And I was like, yo, cop Come on, baby. We just trying to go to the

[A]

special, like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I'm like, I don't even know if I was really speeding. I was like, I'm in the slow lane. Chilling. I was like, this is how people do it.

[A]

I feel like it's very fucked up to arrest people going to the Special Olympics.

[B]

Okay, man, fuck you, dude. I come out of the. Can I curse on this podcast?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You say like so many curses, we eight minutes in, you go ask if you could curse.

[B]

I said one, right?

[A]

Get out of here. You started cursing as soon as the podcast started.

[B]

Honestly, if that's real, I think you

[A]

said your name wrong. And then you literally started cursing me out immediately.

[B]

Honestly, I didn't even notice. That's on me. My apologies to everybody at home.

[A]

Well, guys, let's get into it. Let's get into it. What's hot and fraud? Guys, I'm getting letters. If you have a letter, if you have a story about a time that you were hoodwinked or you did a con, please only tell us about the retired cons. Okay, I'm not trying to fuck up your bag, but email [e-mail] because we would love to hear about it. So this scam comes from someone I'm going to call Tisha. That's not her name, but I can be putting out governments out here. So just stumbled upon your pod and I'm loving it. Oh, very kind. Here is a scam that happened to me and some of my psychologist colleagues, which I heard heard about from our local psychologist professional forums. Okay, forums. Everybody got a Facebook group now. Okay, Psychologist.

[B]

Okay. She put. We know you went to college. We got it. We got it.

[A]

So someone. I call it a Facebook group. She said we got professional forums.

[B]

I know it's a forum. Don't disrespect her like that. She just told you. She said me and my psychology colleagues.

[A]

Colleagues. She didn't say friends on me.

[B]

Colleagues. She working at some college somewhere.

[A]

Okay, okay. Someone called me on my private cell and caller ID showed up for the number for the San Jose Zay Police department. So this is a nor. This is like a normalized scam now where people are hacking into like people's like legitimate government officials numbers to use it to contact you. So you can scramble, I guess, a number or you can make a number appear on someone's caller ID to be something that you're actually not calling from. And it's happening all the time. So someone Is posing as the San Jose. San Jose Police Department. A man identified himself as an officer and gave a badge number. That's also.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You know it's going to be a scam when anybody gives you a number of the.

[B]

Why is a cop calling you?

[A]

Right. That's another thing. I'm like, if you call me also, if you're a cop and you calling me, I'm hanging up. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. For what? Listen, I don't know.

[A]

I don't deal with the cops in person.

[B]

I don't know this person's real name, but I feel like I know her ethnicity.

[A]

You ru. So a San Jose police department number called her. This police officer verified himself by giving a vag number, which is completely fake. That's not a real thing. And also, like, what am I supposed to do with that badge cash number? How I'm supposed to check to make sure that's legit? I got a system. What I'm supposed to do? Also google it. Like, checks out. What?

[B]

Also don't call me. You a cop. Don't call me. Like, I don't feel safe on the phone. That means you know me.

[A]

They shoot you through the phone.

[B]

You know, I don't know how they

[A]

did it, but they did manage to shoot me through the phone call.

[B]

Electrocute.

[A]

They said they were scared of my phone voice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then they shot me.

[B]

His voice got loud. Y' all think it's a game.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

Shoot.

[A]

This sounds like a joke. But then, literally, I'm gonna see this on Twitter news in, like, a week. Like, damn, they got my man. They got my man through the ph. Damn, how bad is that? That's so sad. It's being black so hard. So this cop in quotes said that she had been subpoenaed as an expert witness in a case involving patients and failed to appear in court and that the judge had put out a warrant for her arrest. I asked who the patient was, and he said he couldn't reveal that info.

[B]

Now, that makes no sense.

[A]

If I was supposed to come, shouldn't I know who the pa?

[B]

What's the verification process?

[A]

So they have expert witnesses who go to court sometimes in trial to explain things so that the jury can, like, further understand, like, whatever, or to know the mental health state of whoever's on trial or whatever.

[B]

I used to watch the practice. I used to watch the practice.

[A]

Right, right. We all watch Law and order. Svu. You know what I mean?

[B]

SVU be scaring me. I'd be like, yo, it be black dudes. On that jones just going to jail all the time. I'm like, y' all need to diversify this.

[A]

I'm basically a lawyer because I've seen so much Mariska Harkitay and Law and Order svu. I'm like, bas.

[B]

Basically a lawyer. You watch how to Get Away with Murder.

[A]

Hell, yeah. So I can get away with mad murders.

[B]

I learned on that show.

[A]

You know what I mean? I was like, damn, thank you. Murders.

[B]

Hell, yeah.

[A]

That. And on Scandal, when they be cleaning up after, like, Scandal. Remember the early days of Scandal? It was just Kerry Washington get her black blown out by the white president, and it was them cleaning up murders.

[B]

Let's take it back. Let's take it back. Okay?

[A]

That was literally it. Every scene was like, Olivia Pope with a big purse and gotta clean up a murder. Like, gotta clean up, and then she

[B]

gotta go bang president.

[A]

Cause she gotta go bang the president.

[B]

You know, do what you gotta do for the country, man.

[A]

Listen, she was at the Oval. Listen, he was getting in that Oval.

[B]

Wait, so was he married? Did he have a president?

[A]

Yeah, he was married.

[B]

Hey, yo, listen, good for you. You know what I'm saying? You out here hope her taxes were free.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

So while she was getting her back blown out, they would be also be cleaning up murders. So I also feel like I know how to get away with the murders. Anyway, so she says she knew this was a scam once. He said, expert witness. Because those people are paid to testify. And I couldn't be an expert witness in my own patient's trau because it's a conflict of interest. So anyway, he said the judge was willing to be nice and let me off with a fine rather than jail time. Insert eye roll here just to mess with him. I said I would take the jail time also.

[B]

First off. First off, why is she on the phone with this cop this long?

[A]

Okay, Some people like entertaining nonsense.

[B]

Nah, man. Cause this is my thing, all right? You could be hacking in to my cause, you know, on your phone, you got your passwords kind of saved on there for websites. And, like, you could be hacking into my stuff as I'm talking to you. I've seen the movies. Keep him on the phone. Keep him on the phone as we go into his whole thing.

[A]

Can you find his location?

[B]

Yeah. It's like, no, but I could be on the phone, and it's like, oh, man, you got your bank of America thing saved on the phone. Boom, boom, boom. I got it. You got your Chase Bank.

[A]

I Don't know if that's how it works.

[B]

Listen, I seen tv, all right? I see a lot of tv. Okay?

[A]

You see a lot of tv?

[B]

I see a lot of tv.

[A]

Okay, Great. Wonderful. So just messed with him. She said she'd take the jail time. He said that officers would come pick her up. I said I could meet. They could meet me at my house. And I had to get a baby because the kids are on summer break. Then I cheerfully said goodbye and hung up. I called the real San Jose police, and a semi irritated officer confirmed this is a scam and that the police don't warn you if you have a warrant for your arrest. They just try to ambush you and take you in.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Said my scammer's a lazy sociopath and not that bright. Thank you, Tisha.

[B]

I can verify that. When I got arrested, I had a warrant for a speed ticker. Oh, my God.

[A]

You got arrested?

[B]

I had a warrant for a speed ticker. I didn't know. I moved to New York, and it was like, oh, the DMV doesn't forward mail. So I was like, I don't remember ever. I do not remember getting a ticket. But they were like, oh, it should have been forwarded to you. Oh, sorry. I was like, oh, how come y' all ain't forward? Blah, blah. They're like, we don't forward mail. I was like, but I don't remember getting a ticket. Well, and I got arrested. That's when I got arrested with my parents. You know what I mean?

[A]

What?

[B]

It was wild. It was wild.

[A]

So when they pulled you over, you had a warrant?

[B]

So. So I didn't know. So I had no idea. So, like, legit.

[A]

You should just be having warrants. That's why the cops be pulling us over. No, I'm playing.

[B]

I was in New York for three years. No idea. I'm chilling, you know? So I. You know, she's validated. She talked to him for too long, though, though. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also, she snitched. She called the cops. I don't know how I feel about it right now.

[A]

What do you mean, she snitched?

[B]

She called the cops. She called the real cops. Like, why?

[A]

Like, she's trying to stop people from getting, like, played. I'm sure someone has sent him money. The weird thing, though, is he's scamming, like, a community of, like, intellectuals.

[B]

But also, you think that cop she called did anything, like, for real?

[A]

Hell, no.

[B]

That's copy do nothing.

[A]

She said he was semi irritated on the Phone. He was probably like, yeah, yeah, I'll make a report.

[B]

What she should have did, she called her cousin, you know what I'm saying? Who's good with computers. Traced the number. All right. Found out where that dude was at.

[A]

You absolutely called him back.

[B]

All right, Call him back on a new line. Be like, hey, oh, man, this is your bank. We need to verify your Social Security. I got that. Come up recently.

[A]

And then. Oh, you did? That's a popular one that's going around right now. And I feel like millennials are getting. And I've talked about it on the show already, but we all think there's no Social Security left. So I feel like it's very tempting if you're like, Social Security. I'm like, y' all got. Y' all got some coins left.

[B]

I know they ain't got no coins. I'm good. Like, I'm done. I better save up now. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, we all have to save for retirement now as millennials. Cause it's trash.

[B]

Yep. Facts.

[A]

But, yeah, so, so sorry, Tisha, that you had that mild run in with a scam cop. But anybody calling your house guys for any reason and giving you any verification numbers automatically hang up. That shit is fake.

[B]

Like, if you got a cousin that you wanna talk to in a minute, you know what I'm saying? They call you, like, oh, how's it going? Hang up on them too. You know what I'm saying? Cause they heard you probably got some money and got a new job.

[A]

Hang up on your family as well.

[B]

If you don't know that cousin, that cousin is a stranger. You know what I'm saying? That's true. Don't be calling me. For what?

[A]

When random family members call you, it's always about money.

[B]

For what?

[A]

It's never not about money. And Steve Harvey, who is we talk about on your podcast, he's so problematic, and his teeth are so big. I can see his teeth right now.

[B]

His suits are better, though.

[A]

Yeah, his suits are much better. Wait, Marjorie upgraded him and introduced him to Purple Label.

[B]

Yo, She's a scamming queen.

[A]

Oh, honey, I have to do an EP about her. She's the goddess. Yeah, but wait, so. But Steve Harvey would say, like, with family members calling you to ask for money, you always want to be like, hey, okay, let me think about it. Let me see if I can do it. Give me a few days. And then you wait, like, two weeks. And then you call them back and, like, do you still need the money?

[B]

Wait, so they say yes.

[A]

So they say, yes, no. But, like, in two weeks, like, they figured out.

[B]

I mean, look, I'm not gonna call back now. People call me now and be like, hey, man, I heard you. Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, not I heard you.

[B]

Couple of. I like, my mom. My mom. My mom hit me with a text. Hey, I heard your other. Your cousin. No, they calling. I was like, oh, bet. Thanks.

[A]

She gave me the warning, yo. I've been lucky enough that that hasn't started happening yet. But because I am on TV now, people show up to family events in ways that they never did before. Like, our family reunions were packed. Now my mom's like, oh, my God, I fucking forgot. You're on tv. Everyone's gonna come now. She's so mad.

[B]

Who? You know, who you know, you work for such and such. Can you get this? I'm like, hey, man, I'm still. I'd be like, I'm broke. I ain't got it. I be like, yo, I just went on this trip.

[A]

Cause I like iconography. So I'd be like, I'm broke. Yeah, these are balenciagas. But I'm broke.

[B]

See? But that's why you broke. See, that's what I think. It's like, oh, man. You know?

[A]

Oh, like, I spent it already.

[B]

I just got these off whites. I'm broke, man. I can't call it, dog. Like, I'm sorry, man.

[A]

Scams C. And we're back, guys.

[B]

And it's time.

[A]

Congregation. That's what I call the congregation. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Congregation.

[A]

And we're back. And we're into my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwinks. So I'm gonna regale girod with a historic con. You know what I mean? Really worthy of our prayers. And let's just get his thoughts.

[B]

Okay. Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready.

[A]

So this is actually very fun. Cause I don't think that this scam was caught. I don't think the scammer was caught.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

He got away with this?

[B]

No, you won.

[A]

But this is Edward Putman from the uk who conspired with a Camelot insider, Giles Knibbs. These some British ass niggas.

[B]

Put. First name was Putman.

[A]

Edward Putman and Giles Nibs.

[B]

Putman.

[A]

Giles Nibs. That is the most British name I've ever heard in my life. How the audacity to name your child Giles. Wild to cheat. So they cheated the system, and they made a winning counterfeit lottery ticket to claim an outstanding 2.5 million euro prize in 2009.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So this is recent. For somebody who shaded me and said 1999 was not recent. 2009. More recent for you. I'm petty.

[B]

I mean, 1999 is 20 years ago.

[A]

I'll call out my Twitter trolls.

[B]

That's 20 years ago. You know what I mean?

[A]

Okay, so you agreeing with him?

[B]

I mean, listen, you know, I'm a guest. I'm a guest.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm a guest.

[A]

Oh, man, this nigga Jarrod is disrespectful. He came on my podcast one, cussed me out in the first two. I don't remember that. I'm sorry. Cussed me out, talking about I was mistreating him. And now you gonna sign, take my apology.

[B]

I'm sorry. Black women. I love you.

[A]

Oh, do you?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm sorry to question. So how it began. Putnam has been described as a bully who is a heavy drinker and prone to fits of violence. He's also been convicted of wounding with intent in a case in the mid-80s, when a neighbor in the Nether area was attacked. So I guess he attacked his neighbor. For six years, Putnam is alleged to have lived happily on the proceeds of the 2.5 million euros. So he got away for six years. But the secret fraud was exposed when a friend killed himself following an angry confrontation over how the winnings were divided. A court heard.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So here's my thing. If you are mad about the money being divided, you're not gonna get none of it if you die.

[B]

I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna go after him.

[A]

That's crazy. So that's a sad thing that happened, but I guess this is really what blew up. So he didn't get away with it. They would have gotten away with it, though. That's the crazy thing. If they hadn't fought, they would have got away with this shit. There's always one friend, and this is like US$3 million.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not gonna lie, man. If I could pull this off, I would do it.

[A]

Oh, absolutely.

[B]

I would do this in a second. And I probably would be like, the guy who lived. I'd probably try to rip everybody else off. Damn.

[A]

You're not even gonna try to be fair about it. You gotta go Ocean's Eleven and split the money equally. And then all y' all niggas like cigars after.

[B]

I remember I watched this. Was this like A E. True Hollywood or something? But it was on, like, winners, like, the Winner's Curse or lottery people. So, like, every time any clearly Even if you fake win the lottery, you still die or something bad happens. Like, apparently, no matter what happens, bad things happen to people. You know what I mean?

[A]

I once did a reenactment show where it was, like, a guy who won the lotto and then, like, got murdered by, like, his new friend, who was also his accountant.

[B]

Yo, listen, I'm telling you this. If I win the lotto, I'm spending all that money in a year. Like, all of it. I don't even care how much. I don't care how much it is. I'mma go. I'm gonna find a little blackie, like, hey, yo, take this 1000 real quick. And I'm gonna just spend it.

[A]

Cause my thing is, that's what this guy did. He got murdered.

[B]

Listen, that's what this is, my thing. I don't know if that's someone gonna try to murder me. So I'm like, I'm gonna just go balls out. Like, either that I'm gonna get cursed.

[A]

I'm the body that you won the lotto.

[B]

Nah, man. I ain't gonna be one of people that show up with their face covered and hands covered. Nah, man.

[A]

You showing up with your face out.

[B]

I'm not only showing up with my face out. I'm showing up giving thank yous. Hey, I wanna thank that job for firing me. I want to thank that girl for saying I wasn't going to be nobody. I'm going to just crap on everybody. I'm like, yo. Oh, for real? For real.

[A]

You said I was never asking to get murdered. Like, everything that you're saying is, like, one, you're going to give out money randomly. So people are definitely going to be trying to hit you up all the time. Two, you're going to show up to accept the lotto ticket with a raw face out. And you're going to be antagonizing anyone who's ever run.

[B]

I'm Mike Tyson. In the 90s, Mike Tyson used to walk around New York with a fur coat and be like, come at me. And you know what happened? Nobody came at him because he's crazy for doing that. So they'd be like, oh, man, dry. Got nothing. Something wrong with him.

[A]

He got nothing to live for.

[B]

He out here just being like, come get me. I don't want to come after him. This might be part of the game.

[A]

I'm gonna say that that does not work all the time. Tupac operated that way, and they came and got him.

[B]

See, this is my thing, man. But Tupac used to make Those, like, emotional songs too. So people knew he had a heart. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

You know, this is. I. I.

[B]

People knew you had a heart.

[A]

Guys, tweet me if you agree with Gerard.

[B]

I was saying, think about it like this.

[A]

This is great.

[B]

If you listen me to you at your job, next thing you know, you're like, oh, man, I need to start acting like I don't care about getting fired. You might get promoted.

[A]

I think that only works if you're white. If you start acting like you don't care about getting fired and you're black, your ass is gonna be grass.

[B]

Listen, all right, if you black at the office, start acting like what white Chad would do, just see what happened. You might. You walk around like white Chad. White Chad walk around like nothing is a problem.

[A]

Wwcd.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

What would white Chad do?

[B]

I mean, he gonna walk around, no problem. Walk around with that confidence. You gonna get promoted. You gonna be the boss.

[A]

Oh, my God. So fake tick Giles Nibs. I always have to say his name in the British accent. Giles Nibs.

[B]

That name is the worst.

[A]

Honestly, you can't do nothing good with your life when your name is Giles.

[B]

Can you imagine being Ms. Nibs?

[A]

Ms. Nibs. Ew. Ew. Or Mr. Nibs. Ew.

[B]

Your parents have to come to pick you up today. Mr. Nibs is on his way.

[A]

Hi, Mr. Nibs. We're calling in regard to your son.

[B]

Imagine hooking up with somebody like that, and he's like, hey, yo, can you. Can you call me Mr. Nibs? Can you call me Mr. Mr. Nibs?

[A]

Oh. Oh, that's bad. Oh, my God. So Charles Nims worked for a company's fraud detection department and knew how to cheat the system. And this is always necessary. And a good con is like, you have to have a window of opportunity. And you also have to have what I call a doggy door. You know what I mean? There's a front door, there's a back door, there's a window. But there's always a little doggy door that people kind of forget about. They forget it's there. Like, you may lock your windows, you may lock your doors, you may lock your back door. But that doggy door, sometimes you forget about it.

[B]

People come in the back door all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause unexpected it is. Creep right in the back door, and you're like, oh, shit, what you doing back there?

[A]

Right? So he figures out that he can cheat the system. Nibs, who worked for Camelot between 2004 and 2010 had been in the office late one night when he saw a document being printed containing details of big wins that had not been claimed yet. So now we got a win of opportunity, right?

[B]

Smart, smart, smart, Nibs.

[A]

And of course, he just happened to see this. Like, bro, we don't want to Ms. Nibs.

[B]

Mr. Nibs knew he was ill. Edward

[A]

then pressured the lottery security employee to help with the scam after previously making a fake winning ticket for him as a joke. So it's crazy to me that he had to pressure him. Cause I'm like, if you make a fake winning ticket as a joke, that ain't no joke. You showing me you can make a fake winning ticket.

[B]

But isn't that illegal? This is illegal. This whole thing is illegal. Gotcha, gotcha. I'd have been like, hey, hey, hey, hey. You ain't about to swindle me.

[A]

So Edward's friend Stephen Warner told the Sunday Mirror that pun, which what a paper name? The Sunday Mirror.

[B]

Sunday Mirror.

[A]

That paper's going out of business.

[B]

Come on, babe. Black Mirror.

[A]

You know that Putman waved a fake winning ticket in front of neighbors five months before he scooped the jackpot. So Putman even went as far as to make friends toast to his win and promised to buy them houses. This was a joke that Putnam had put on.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So he basically was like, like. So basically, Nibs works in security. Putnam works with the tickets. Putnam had made a fake ticket and was like, oh, I won. We all. I'm gonna buy you houses. It's lit. And then was like, ha, ha. This was a joke to all his friends. If you had did this to me as a friend, like, putting him. I'm gonna beat your ass.

[B]

Facts.

[A]

You getting these hands.

[B]

I'm like, yo, where's the house?

[A]

Promise people houses. I'm sure a lot of people, if they were any kind of financial distress, were actually, like, excited and relieved for a second.

[B]

Whoop his ass. Ass.

[A]

My num is a dick. He was like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna pay for your cancer treatment. I'mma get you a house. Sally. Gonna walk again.

[B]

See, he should have got, like, where I'm from, like, when I was growing up, like, people wouldn't, like, beat you up. They would just hold you down and just beat your legs. There's a theory behind it. The theory behind it is you would just keep tagging somebody, like, you. Like, everybody. It'd be like six. Six motherfuckers just beating somebody leg. Cause then what happened? Just. Just insane joke. Here's Another thing. One, no bruises. Can'. Like people will wobble. You gonna remember that for days. You know what I mean? You remember that for days.

[A]

Are you in the mob? You psycho draws in the mob.

[B]

I said, man, beat the legs. Just get the legs. You good.

[A]

Guess that's a scam. Beat people's legs. So he did this whole thing and then it wasn't funny. So everyone was like, we weren't impressed that you made this fake ticket. It wasn't funny. Why would you do that to Fred? And then Giles was like, I wish I had asked more questions. Cause then he didn't realize, like, oh man, if you could make a fake winning ticket, you could do this again if there's money that's unclaimed. So he kind of put two and two together later in the game. But everyone was pissed at him after he did this. He was like, what an asshole. So there had been some trial and error in producing a successful forged ticket because there were a hundred different possible unique codes printed on the bottom. So Nibs created numerous different specimens of the forged tick, each with a different combination of a unique two digit checksum code and all the winning numbers for an unclaimed pop. Then with the deadline to claim the prize rapidly approaching, Mr. Putnam allegedly visited 29 different shops providing a different ticket each time before the right number was found. So basically there's a code at the bottom of the ticket. So even if you make a fake ticket with the fake numbers, there's a code that coincides with what the lottery is looking for. So they just had to keep going to different lotteries, lottery places and giving the same winning ticket but with a different code on the bottom until they got it right.

[B]

Yeah. How did, how did. One of the 20 something places did not say, hey, that dude came in here with a ticket that didn't match up. I guess no one cares. They're like, why would you care? Why would you care?

[A]

No one cares. They're like, back to my.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

It's also a convenience store. Think about who works in convenience stores. They don't give a fuck.

[B]

True. Do the convenience stores get any money if they like the store? So if they're the store that it's at, they get money. Oh, that's dope. Okay, good for them.

[A]

Yeah, they get a little bonus. So the convenience store got to keep they cut because it was like, look, we ain't know that this was a scam.

[B]

Yeah, true, true.

[A]

So lucky convenience store guy, look, this helps somebody. So then with the Deadline approaching. They went to a bunch of shops, and finally they submitted the right ticket. So Keeley said the defendant eventually submitted the correct code at a shop in Wycombe. That means nothing to us.

[B]

I have no clue.

[A]

On August 29, 2009. So we've pulled up a photo of. Of Nibs.

[B]

Oh, he, like. He gets swindled. Oh, poor Nibs.

[A]

He looks like a con artist. I know, but it's like, I wouldn't trust it. He has a little bit of a soul patch. You can't trust anybody who got a soul patch. Like, they're definitely doing crime. And then this is Putnam. Oh, these men, they look like they've been living hard. Damn.

[B]

I know I'm about to start taking millions of dollars.

[A]

How you get millions of dollars? Yeah, we. I'm gonna take a nap right after this, Guys, everyone, wherever you are, take a nap, because you don't wanna look like these men. Google Nibs. They're a rough bunch.

[B]

That's what happens when life gets you down.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know what I mean? And you don't get back up.

[A]

So they finally submit the winning ticket. August 29, 2009. The bottom of the ticket was a bit mangled, but Putnam was paid the jackpot by Camelot in September 2009, despite the bottom of the ticket. Mangled slip, kind of missing the barcode. So they did that on purpose.

[B]

Oh, so they couldn't, and they still got the money.

[A]

Mm. You think about it, it's an older ticket, right? This is some money that hasn't been claimed. So it's like, maybe it was. And then you realize it was winning numbers randomly. So that kind of adds up with the story. So the real winning ticket may still be out there. And the real winner has never been identified. After so many years of struggling to make ends meet, he couldn't resist flashing his cash. His big weakness was cars, and lots of them. According to neighbors, there were up to 50 cars at his home in King's Langley, which also has a mobile home in the garden.

[B]

So 2 mil ain't that much.

[A]

Maybe he was getting lots of Kias.

[B]

I'm gonna say, what you getting, bruh? Can these used Corollas.

[A]

Like, I don't know why, but he's got, like, 12 Honda Civics in front of his house.

[B]

Get these used cars out of here, dude.

[A]

Yeah, he's not getting, like, a McLaren or, like, a Ferrari.

[B]

I'll give me, like, a Cobra.

[A]

Yeah, he's definitely not getting that. He's, like, got, like, four Miatas.

[B]

Hey, you know what, though? That Miata gets you through. You know what I mean?

[A]

He got 12 kios sorrentos like, sir, what are you doing? This makes no sense to get that Ford Focus. He's like, look, he likes cars. You got get what you can't. So despite his multi million pound windfall, three years later, in 2012, Putnam was sentenced to nine months for benefit fraud after going to claim $13,000 in housing and income support. So this dude stole the lotto and then went to get on welfare? Listen, he went and got on welfare.

[B]

Like I told y' all earlier, when you go to work, all right, Just act like you have the confidence of just a straight white man, right? Cause I'm like, this shit don't make no. I'm a game the system for two, $3 million, technically. And I gotta go. I spent it on Kias and Toyota Corollas and now I gotta go to welfare.

[A]

And this guy is not a good guy. Normally I would praise scammers for, like, going out and getting a welfare check on top of being a millionaire, because that is hilar and perfect. But he's done some pretty fucked up stuff that I'm not gonna get too deep into because that's not what we do here. But he had some assault charges. He had sent him to jail. Yeah, and some of these were like two women. So he's just like, not a good guy. He told people that his money came from property developing. No one had any inkling that he was the lottery winner. And to be honest, no one in the village wanted anything to do with him. So according to a neighbor, he's not a pleasant man, but just did what he wanted. Let's put it this way, he's never going to be a candidate for neighbor of the year. So he was also a trash neighbor.

[B]

So no one cared about you. You're a trash dude. And so which one is the one who commits suicide? Nibs, this is my thing. How do trash people always succeed?

[A]

Right? Cause they're not. I talk about this on another episode. But, like, they don't have any empathy. And when you don't have any empathy, you be sleeping real good.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, you're right. It's gotta be it. Cause that means you're out here just doing whatever you wanna do and don't give a shit.

[A]

Yeah, but his neighbors hated him. I'm sure they hated that he had 50 chevrolets on the yard. And also, like, if this was Mr. Rogers neighborhood, no one would want to be his neighbor. They're like, we don't want you to be our neighbor.

[B]

Yeah. Not even the puppets. Puppets would be like, nah, dawg.

[A]

Puppets be like, fuck off.

[B]

Nah, dawg.

[A]

The mailman not fucking with you. Nobody fucking with you every time they see your ass. Ain't nobody switching they shoes and they sweater.

[B]

What would you do if you won the lottery?

[A]

Worried about, oh my God.

[B]

Do you know, do you have an idea of like, yo, first thing first? I'm doing this, this and this. Yeah.

[A]

I'm getting a really nice house.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm getting a super nice car. I'm saving.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know what else I want.

[B]

See, I like that. That's classy. You know what I'm saying? I probably buy my parents house, but then I'm petty, so that means I would spend most of my money getting back at people, you know what I'm saying? In the most extravagant ways, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

That's a movie.

[B]

It's like if, like if you, if you, you know, if you bully me in high school and I find out you're working at la.

[A]

That's so much work, Jarai, you could just enjoy the money.

[B]

This is me enjoying the money. The thing is, I have no day job. I have nothing to do but to plan revenge on you. Like, oh, you work at this coffee shop. I'm gonna buy the coffee shop.

[A]

The best success is revenge.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

I mean, the best success is revenge. No, the best revenge is success.

[B]

See, people say that, but my thing is this. You're not feeling the pain though, but

[A]

you don't think they are. That's what Instagram is for. Instagram is to flex on your enemy.

[B]

You know what? If that's the case, you're right. You know what? I'm gonna have to buy the apartment building in. I'm not gonna kick them out. I just want them to know that at any moment I could do it,

[A]

you know, they could move. And then you just start. You have an apartment apartment.

[B]

So you know what better business? Me. You gotta move to another apartment because you lived in this one. I'mma buy that one too, because now I got one successful apartment.

[A]

This is insane. Also, please let me know about all of these takes. Beating people in the legs, using all your money for.

[B]

That's real. You never did that?

[A]

No, I never did that. Robbery and fraud. So this is when things got messy.

[B]

It wasn't messy yet. Like, wait, this whole time?

[A]

I guess not. He just had a lot of Toyota Corollas. Evidence suggests that Mr. Nibs was paid an initial 280,000 from Putnam for his part of the alleged con, followed by a much smaller increments totaling $50,000. But he was angry not to receive more money, and the pair clashed bitterly in 2015 over what he considered Putnam's betrayal. So he thinks at this point, Putnam's, like, not handing over enough money also, bruh. So you don't even got the full 3 million and you got 50 cars. Make it make sense.

[B]

I know.

[A]

What kind of cars are these?

[B]

They're Kias. No offensive Kias.

[A]

They got the big wheels.

[B]

I mean, my nigga, how they gotta be used, right?

[A]

They gotta be used cars.

[B]

They gotta be like, ones with a dent in it. That's like, oh, I wanted this. I had a matchbox of this car, so I'm gonna just buy it.

[A]

My man's going to police auctions. He's like, yeah, it's a little blood on it, but it's a car.

[B]

Hey, you know what? I need a car. I might go to a police auction.

[A]

I need a car, too. Maybe I'll go to a police auction.

[B]

Yo, shoot, they probably got a drug dealer car.

[A]

That's probably all you gotta do is sage it to get the murder off of it.

[B]

Hell, yeah. And also, if it's a drug dealer, they just got caught.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, also. But how fresh, though? Because if the drug dealer is out here on these streets, I don't want nobody peeping my car and then thinking I'm, you know, so and so. And then they spraying my car and lighting it.

[B]

You ain't wrong. You ain't wrong.

[A]

Because I feel like gang bangers don't check license plates. I feel like they're not like, oh, look at those. That VIN number, that's the guy. Shoot him.

[B]

That's a good point. But you know what, though? Maybe if it's, like, super cheap, you can repaint it or something. I don't know how much it costs, you know?

[A]

We'll figure this out.

[B]

Yeah, we just scammed. We just scammed police auctions, right?

[A]

That's my next scam. I feel like the police auctions have plenty to be scammed. So things get messy when evidence has suggested that Mr. Nibs was paid initial. So all this money, right? This is the issue. So. So, Mr. Nibs. Partner Oliver. I hate that name.

[B]

Mr. Nibs.

[A]

Mr. Nibs.

[B]

You're trying to say it so professionally, and I'm like, yo, you keep saying Mr. Nibs.

[A]

Not just like, things got nibby.

[B]

Like, it's like, you Mr. Nibs did this. I'm like, bro, we gotta get this man a code name, yo. Mr. Black, right? Mr. Nibs.

[A]

So Oliver O' Phelan was his partner. Said he had been introduced to Eddie Putnam and his partner Lita. He described Mr. Putnin as a loud man who liked to show off. He said Lita was a lovely lady. Okay, come on, Lita. Okay. In May of June 2015, May and June of 2015, he asked Mr. Putnam why they were not seeing them. He was told by Mr. Nibs it was because Mr. Putnam owed him a lot of money. So I guess they're not hanging out. And then this, this or fill in guy, Oliver. These are such British ass names.

[B]

Oliver Clot Stickens. Oliver.

[A]

Oliver Twist. So Oliver is somehow in the scene. I guess this is Mr. Nips partner. And he's like, well, why you not hanging out with Putnam no more like. And he was like, I ain't hanging out with him. He robbing me, bruh, to scam the scammer.

[B]

Oh, wait, can we do dialogue? Is that. Is that. Wait, who you. Who, who, who are you right now? I'm me.

[A]

And Mr. Nip.

[B]

You miss. Damn you. I knew you going to take Mr. Nips.

[A]

I'll be putting him n. Go ahead,

[B]

give, boy. Hey, man, that's your Mr. N. Hey, man, I'm out here getting swindled, man. I got. No, man.

[A]

I don't know what you talking about.

[B]

Come on, man. You see I got all these Toyota Corollas out here, man. This ain't enough.

[A]

This ain't enough, man. I really don't know what the front of your house look like a used car.

[B]

Because I'm trying to build up to a Mercedes.

[A]

That's not how cars work. You don't get a lot of shitty cars and then it becomes a nice car.

[B]

That's what you do. You vote trying the car, you get a bunch of money.

[A]

I gave you the money. I gave you 280,000.

[B]

That's nothing for me.

[A]

I can't eat with that look. Me, my wife, Lita, gotta go. I boat it.

[B]

You got a boat? You swimming?

[A]

Yeah, that's what I did with my head. For the money, you can swim. And then all of a sudden, they're black.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So the scam began to fall apart as the friendship and former business partners deteriorated. So Nibs behavior became increasingly erratic. He began revealing details of the fraud to friends after failing to receive what he agreed to be like a million pounds is what he was supposed to get. So a friend staying with Nibs before his death. So Nibs was the one who committed suicide.

[B]

Poor Nibs.

[A]

But Nibs was a bad guy, so.

[B]

I mean, yeah, they both were trash,

[A]

but he was a bad guy though. He like did assaults to women.

[B]

Oh, Nibs is the one who did assault.

[A]

Yeah. He's not a good guy. He's a guy that nobody wanted to be the neighbor with. Gotcha. You know what I mean? Like, not that I'm not. That's a very serious topic. But I don't feel bad for him. Cause he's not. But he was telling everybody now about the con. Cause now he mad. So he in the streets just stool pigeoning. He's out here like Tekashi. All of a sudden his hair is rainbow colored.

[B]

He's snitching on everybody.

[A]

Yeah, he's snitching on everybody. Like people don't even need to be

[B]

snitching, you know, Lacey stole some gum when she was 12. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

No one is talking about that.

[B]

Nibs stole some gum from a corner store. She ain't get a 25 cent up.

[A]

Nibs. The statute of limitations ain't up on that.

[B]

We can't be talking about. I wanted people to know. Do your listeners know? Do your listeners know?

[A]

So he confronted Putnam in a heated argument in June of 2015. Breaking Putnam's car wing mirror and stealing his phone. Damn.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's stealing his phone.

[B]

This sound like a side piece. This sound like when. When you ain't get somebody a gift, you know what I'm saying? You got your main a gift and then the side piece. Find out about the real gift. And it's like, oh. Oh, for real? What do I got? I blow up your whole shit, right?

[A]

I feel like if you're beating people's cars and shit, like that's passion. Y' all have passion going on.

[B]

What you what?

[A]

Oh, just like get the money. So Nibs was subsequently arrested for burglary, blackmail and criminal damage. After putting him put in a complaint. Complain to the police. Wait a minute.

[B]

Yo, Putnam's pay.

[A]

Putting them. How you gonna be snitching when you are in a full blown crime? You did crime with this man. You can't use the police when you're doing crime. You gotta go beat his legs. You can't go to the cops.

[B]

Hey, hey. Thank you. You beat his legs. You beat his legs.

[A]

You definitely cannot just go to the cops. But apparently he went to the cops and got the law involved. British people are so damn civil. This is so British. Everything about this is so British. Like, how do you go to the cops when you are literally doing crime with this man? You're like, hey, he came over to my house and got really upset because we did a crime together, and he's not happy about his earnings in the crime. So I just really need to report him to the police. Like, what you're supposed to do. If you in the game, you got to be in it.

[B]

I know, man. It's one of those things where it's like. But also. You know what it is, though?

[A]

What?

[B]

He's like, I'm gonna get ahead of this. You know what I mean? He's like, if I can get you locked up, I ain't gotta give you none of this money.

[A]

Right? I mean, but also, that's not how it works. Like, deals, like, if I were to sing on you about something bigger, then they would want us for the bigger crime.

[B]

But you're a criminal already, though. They ain't gonna believe no criminal.

[A]

Maybe nobody watches.

[B]

I got a wife in a house. I'm like, they gonna believe me. I'm an upstanding citizen, right?

[A]

He's the uglier guy. Neighbors don't like him, right? Nobody believe that dude.

[B]

Block him up. Throw away the key.

[A]

So Getting caught on October 5th in 2015, knives unfortunately committed suicide after fearing that he would go down for 10 to 15 years for blackmail. When the trial was heard as a result, Putnam was arrested and eventually went to trial. Putnam, who arrived at court with his face masked, wearing dark glasses. See, you talking about raw face. He came with his face mask, wearing dark glass.

[B]

Jail. I'm not.

[A]

Court denies fraud by false representation in the trial Contest continues. Judge Philip Gray said that the sophisticated, carefully planned and digitally operated fraud struck at the heart of the integrity of the national lottery. He said, you would have gotten away with this quite plainly, but you were greedy. And he's right. He should have gave him the other half of the money. Whenever you get greedy, that's when your shit blow up. That's exactly how the college cheating scandal blew up. Was one guy got greedy. He tried to cut out the middleman, and then they got so, like, you just can't get greedy, guys. You could have been sneaking people into college for Kingdom till, Kingdom come. You could have won the lotto and got away with it.

[B]

Cause technically, it was that 3 million he got. He could have gave one dude a mil. You had two mil.

[A]

Come on, dude.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

So the fact that Camelot had been hoodwinked in this way will, of course, be damaging to its reputation. Like, they're probably not gonna be running. I mean, they're still running the lottery, but the judge sentenced Edward Putnam to nine years in jail. And it doesn't say anything here about restitution, so I wonder if he just got to keep.

[B]

Nah, man, he had to pay that. Yeah, but he had to go to jail for nine years.

[A]

Yeah, he's not gonna serve all of that. You know, he's going to Martha Stewart jail. I'm sure. British jail is, like, so quaint.

[B]

I mean, listen, you know, did that actress have to go to jail for the college scandal or. She didn't go to jail. What's her name? Who?

[A]

Oh, yeah, the desperate husband. Felicity Huffman had 14 days.

[B]

Fourteen days? Yeah.

[A]

Of hard jail time.

[B]

Yo, I'm not gonna lie to y', all, man. I'm not trying to shade white people on this podcast, but I just. I need that, man. If I could just. Just super powered up, and it's like, oh, shit, Bad shit happening. Press a button, My skin turned white, and I'm safe, yo, and you just safe. That's it. Nine years.

[A]

He probably served, what, five?

[B]

Like, maybe on good behavior, he'll get out.

[A]

On good behavior. He sounds like a likable guy.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Well, you know what? Shout out to these con artists. You guys aren't good guys, so I can't really praise you, but this is a good con.

[B]

I mean, that's a good con, but

[A]

y' all fucked it up. You fucked with the bag for no reason. You couldn't just give my man the money he was asking for?

[B]

Yo, I got it, guys.

[A]

Don't get greedy. That's one of the essential rules of scamming congregation. Don't get greedy.

[B]

This could be set it off for the new era. So instead of them robbing banks, old white British dudes. No, it could be like, instead of like. Cause I heard they doing. I heard they trying to do.

[A]

Set it off.

[B]

Set it off.

[A]

Say it off.

[B]

You can have four black women be like, yo, you know what? We ain't gonna work at this company no more. We ain't gonna rob them physically. We gonna rob them mentally by out swindling them with the computer systems they don't think we know how to use. And now you got set it off. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't know how, but a kente cloth, like a kente hat just appeared on jiraz head, and he's suddenly wearing an ankh necklace, and he's gone full hotel.

[B]

Y' all did this. Y' all did this to me. With these Brits out here swindling each other.

[A]

That's gross. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry, guys, but scammer of the week, last segment. So an employee of the restaurant reservation app Open Table.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Made a few hundred false reservations at 45 restaurants. Dozens of Chicago restaurant owners were scratching their heads over the fake reservation scam. He called himself Hans Gruber and Jimmy Smits and other phony names. Those names don't sound real. If you call me, you're like, hi, my name is Hans. I would like table.

[B]

First off, Hans Gruber is one of the best movie villains of all time, Right? I love Die Hard, right? And then he say, jimmy Smith.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's messed up. That's a real person, you asshole. That's so rude.

[A]

Jimmy Smith's, like, suddenly can't go to any restaurants. What you mean, man? You're like, no, sorry, Jimmy. We've had it with you. You can't make any restaurants.

[B]

Nypd. Nypd. NYPD Blue.

[A]

So among other phony names while making hundreds of fake online reservations, according to prosecutors. Prosecutors? You could get. You could come jail for the. Wait a minute.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, what. What is.

[A]

The San Francisco tech company he worked for called him a rogue employee who took it upon himself to make the competition look bad. So now federal prosecutors say dozens of Chicago restaurant managers can call Steven Addison the culprit of a bogus booking scheme that left more than thousands of their seats empty on normal busy nights, costing them thousands of dollars in lawsuits. Addison was charged on Thursday by the U.S. district Court with one count of wire fraud for the dinner deserting scam that was uncovered earlier this year. This individual was making reservations, then confirming them so that we block off the tables and then would not show up, said the owner of Tavern on the Park. The targeted restaurants all used a competing app called Reserve for Customers to make the reservations. Oh, so he was just trying to ruin OpenTable for them so that people would start using. Using their app.

[B]

This is so petty. I love it. I love. This is so petty.

[A]

I love that. The company said that he acted alone. They were like, he was a rogue employee. Y' all knew what he was doing. Y' all knew.

[B]

Could you imagine coming in, be like, hey, yo, man, I got a way to fix it. I got a way to crash the system. You know what I mean? I'm gonna just do it from my laptop. I'm make all these reservations. I'm gonna close everything down and the joke's gonna be on them. Cause they gonna have empty restaurants. This nigga thought he was crushing it

[A]

with this, but he was because he works for the reserve app. I love it. So it drove traffic to the other app. Table was crashing because he was crashing it.

[B]

That is genius. I'm about this. Yo. This is so petty. Like, this isn't even a real scam to me. This is just like a swindle that some dude did. And it's just, hey, man, let's see if it works.

[A]

Why you gotta go to jail for this? This is called capitalism. This is literally capitalism. This is what Americans do.

[B]

Wait, they say what the person's name is?

[A]

The guy's name is Steven Addison. So we don't know. We don't know the race of the guy.

[B]

Did they put that dude? They put him in jail? I don't know this sound.

[A]

Stevie.

[B]

You think it's a Stevie? I got the Google. I got the Google.

[A]

So he would use fake names, email address addresses and phone numbers to book the tables through reserve on the busy nights like New Year's Eve and Valentine's Day. I used to work in restaurants. Those are the two most popping nights in restaurants. Everyone wants to go to dinner before they go to the club on New Year's Eve. And then everybody got to take they side hoes out and they main hoes out for Valentine's Day. I would work Valentine's Day. And you don't make a lot of money because it's like when all. All the poor people start to go out to eat. Yeah. Cause all the. But like, I worked at a really nice restaurant and it would be like all the broke dudes, like splurging for the night, you know what I mean? So they wouldn't really be in there balling out like on a regular Tuesday. How most of our guests would be.

[B]

See, man, also, Valentine's Day be the swindle. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's the swindle day.

[A]

Why?

[B]

But this is my thing. Like Valentine's Day. I'm like, yo, let me celebrate the day before and then the day after. Hear me out.

[A]

That sounds like you are cheating on whoever you're with.

[B]

No, no, it's not even.

[A]

I never see jar on Valentine's Day.

[B]

Cause that's the pressure. It's like the day is so faked. I'm like, I don't want to celebrate you on this fake day. I'm gonna let you know that I celebrate you before and after the date.

[A]

That is literally like a textbook line from a nigga who cheats on you. Like a nigga who at least has several kids and a few wives.

[B]

Honestly, I hear it. I hear it. Now that I say it out loud, I hear it. But you know what, though? You still get the celebration.

[A]

But you know, for women, though, it's such a fun holiday. Cause you get all these gifts. Well, if you're dating someone and you pretty much can just keep re gifting the same vagina every year for Valentine's Day. I went to European Wax center yesterday, and I haven't gotten a wax in years. And oh, my God, it was so painful and horrible. But, like, I went there and it was popping. Cause it was a Saturday, so all the women were in there getting their waxes, and I was nine minutes late to my appointment, and they were like, oh, you're nine minutes late. So unfortunately, I was like, unfortunately, I'm not gonna get it. I'll pay. I'll pay anything. They. They're like, no, you just have to wait in the back of the queue. There was this lady there, and she was like, I was here 20 minutes late, so I'm waiting in the back of the queue too. She was like, it's my husband's birthday, though, so I gotta get his gift ready.

[B]

Yo, wait.

[A]

Hey, man, Fellas, can we gift things?

[B]

Like, can we just be like, hey, hey, listen. You know, is penis gonna be the gift for Valentine's Day?

[A]

No, penis is never a gift.

[B]

Be like, hey, listen, you know, listen, I wrapped it up nice this time. You know what I'm saying? Cause like, I got some new draws on today. I shaped up my stuff a little bit. So we down there doing a little.

[A]

Never enough only. That's the real scam, women. We can keep gifting vagina for years to come, but nobody wants a penis gift.

[B]

But say it's like, hey, man. He's like, hey, you know what? I did some stretches, had some ginseng. Oh, no, this is just for you. You know what I'm saying? No, no, this is just for you.

[A]

No, we all know that's a scam. No one would ever let that happen. No.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yo, come on, fellas.

[B]

We gotta be able to do something. We gotta. I gotta re. Gift some stuff.

[A]

You can give a bag, a shoe. Nobody want penis as a gift. That's not a gift. I can get that anywhere.

[B]

Honestly. You're right. Women can get penis anywhere. Dudes be like, oh, what? I can. I can. I can hit. Oh.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm Free. Yes, it's an honor. It's an honor. But we all know men are trash. Penis is everywhere. Oh, God. Penis is like that thing that everyone's trying to sell you all the time. You're like, I don't wanna buy it. Like, I'm good.

[B]

But that's why you're being gifted it. You're not buying it. You're being gifted it.

[A]

Would you like to switch your penis provider today? And I'm like, no, I'm good with my current penis provider also.

[B]

But the thing is, this penis has been upgraded because it's been. It's like, for instance, if it's a holiday, you've done new shit to your penis. You know what I'm saying? Think about it. Like, the penis.

[A]

What have you done over the holidays to your penis to make it better?

[B]

For instance, like, just like, how you would go to and get it waxed. You could get like a little. You can get a little weight and do penis lifts. So now you got a stronger penis

[A]

on the other day.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I'm gonna start selling penis weights, yo. They probably make so much money.

[B]

Oh, yeah. You just do a little flex and it's like you gotta stroke a penis.

[A]

Oh, Lord Jesus. So Addison. Addison's scheme intended to demonstrate to the Chicago restaurants that Reserve had an inferior reservation system. Oop. And I just realized that I switched these. So this guy worked for Open Table, and he was booking in the competitive app Reserve. Okay, so that. So this is also, like, big money shit.

[B]

He was trying to crash reserve.

[A]

He was trying to crash reserve, which I'm never even heard of. Reserve. So Reserve is probably the small time money app.

[B]

He did it. He worked. It worked.

[A]

Right? And they said that he intended to demonstrate that to Chicago's restaurants that Reserve had an inferior reservation system by crashing it. Prosecutors concurred that Addison made reservations on his own accord and did not personally profit from the scheme. I find that impossible.

[B]

He had to. I mean, they knew also, like, why would the big company try to take out the little dog? You know what I mean?

[A]

Right, Exactly.

[B]

This one.

[A]

But that's what big companies do. That's what capitalism is all about. That's literally Monopoly. Monopoly. Has anyone ever finished a game of Monopoly?

[B]

I don't play Monopoly.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Because there's so many different ones. And also, like, I don't. I suck it. I. I am terrible at board games. I get so antsy.

[A]

Yeah, it's like super violent too.

[B]

Wait, Monopoly?

[A]

Yeah. I've never played Monopoly and not gotten into a fight. I have a scar.

[B]

Wait, is Monopoly. That's the don't pass go.

[A]

Yeah, that game gets intense. People be cheating, hiding money at the board. Next thing you know, you got a green house stuck in your eye, you know, wow, that's. I'm happy.

[B]

I don't play games.

[A]

It escalates very quick. Quickly. But yeah. So this is like so a Monopoly thing of just trying to crash the little guy to make more profit.

[B]

Dang. See, that's why. See, that's why I don't play Monopoly. You know what I mean? I don't play. What was it? I don't go to recess because I don't play me. Now, come on.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you so much for being here.

[B]

Wait, you kicking me out?

[A]

Is that what it is? Yes, I am kicking you out. That's how this works. We are at the end of the podcast.

[B]

Wait, does it. I don't get to make a scam.

[A]

Oh, my God. Is there anywhere that you want?

[B]

I gotta be better at promoting, so follow me errahmilligan on Twitter and Instagram and not to plug a rival network. I don't know. I think all podcasts love each other. If you go to Forever Dog, Black men can't jump in Hollywood. We review movies with leading actors of color and talk about how the man trying to keep us down. Honestly, kind of, but in a fun way. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's a very fun show. I've done it. It's a good show, kinda in a fun way. All right, guys. And as always, you can email us with your and frauds at [e-mail]. you can follow us @scamgoddesspod on Twitter and also on Instagram. And if you want to find me, Lacey Mosely, I'm at D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms. Congregation, stay scheming. Gam goddess.