Where Are They Now?: Scammer Edition w/ Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson (Fraud Friday)

Summary

Scam Goddess: Where Are They Now? Scammer Edition

Fraud Friday w/ Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson
Release Date: March 27, 2026
Host: Laci Mosley
Guests: Corinne Fisher & Krystyna Hutchinson

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Episode Overview

This fiercely funny Fraud Fridays special sees Laci Mosley welcoming comedians and podcasters Corinne Fisher and Krystyna Hutchinson ("Guys We F****d") to recap infamous scam artists’ latest whereabouts. The trio dish on the present-day saga of Anna Delvey, Elizabeth Holmes, and the Tinder Swindler, mixing true crime satire with sharp social commentary about gender, class, and the fine art of getting over. Wild stories, behind-the-scenes scam tips, and contagious laughs abound.

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1. Getting to Know the Guests & Hosts’ Scam Histories

[00:46–10:38]

Warm Welcome & Vibes

• Laci’s high-energy intro celebrates Corinne and Krystyna as "creative queens."
  • "We like to give the girls their flowers while they're living. Not on the tombstone, you know." – Laci [02:24]

Guests' Personal Experiences with Scams

• Both guests admit to being "marks" more than scammers:

  • Corinne: Fell for a New York “my wife needs surgery” street scam, literally walked to ATM to help. [03:13]
  • Laci relates: “I love GoFundMe on foot. He’s out here getting the steps in.” [04:37]

• Corinne shares the unsettling story of being given unnecessary breast exams by male doctors, pondering if it was a medical scam or gross misconduct. [05:09–06:15]

• The crew riff on bringer shows in comedy as transparent scams that prey on newcomers.

  • “Bringer shows in general are a scam, but it’s a very transparent scam.” – Corinne [09:12]

• Krystyna’s “petty” scam expertise: sneaking into front rows at concerts, party crashing—small-time getting-over.

  • They break down hacking general admission and passing one VIP barcode among friends. [10:05–12:08]

Notable Quotes

• Laci: “Much of life is a scam. If you can get over just a little bit, I’m into it.” [13:05]
• Corinne: “Scamming people that doesn’t involve taking their money, but involves, like, getting something more than what you paid for.” [09:53]

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2. Listener Scam Letter: The Hotel Piano Player

[16:29–25:44]

Madeline’s Story:

• Study abroad student in Italy discovers the hotel “pianist” is faking it—playing pre-programmed tunes and miming elaborate performances for tourist tips. [20:23]

Discussion:

• Guests express admiration for “performance scams” and the art of faking in street performance.
• Corinne (as violinist) confesses she faked playing in orchestra performances: "It’s more important to look good than to sound good. Everyone commented after the show, ‘Corinne looks really good up there!’" [25:48]

Key Insight:

• "To fake it for that long is a performance and a skill in and of itself. They deserve the money just as much as a musician!” – Christina [24:17]

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3. Where Are They Now? – The Big Three Scammers

[30:09–72:09]

Anna Delvey/Sorokin (Inventing Anna) [31:34–44:55]

• Background: Russian-born, German-raised con artist faked being a German heiress in NY socialite circles.

• Scamming M.O.: Lush hotels, lavish tips, empty promises of wire transfers—a master of "rich girl cosplay." -Catch & Aftermath:

  • Arrested 2017, convicted of grand larceny in 2019, sentenced to 4–12 years.
  • Early release, but re-arrested by ICE for overstaying visa (while imprisoned!).
  • Netflix paid her $320,000 for life rights—guests agree “girl, you got scammed” since Netflix got the real bag. [40:18]

• Social Commentary:

  • Laci: "Too many bad people are pretending to be good people. If you bad, just say that." [33:03]
  • On gaslighting: “Feminism—more women in gaslighting!” – Corinne [34:29]

• Current Status (as of recording):

  • In ICE detention, awaiting deportation to Germany; used story money to pay restitution.

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Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos) [45:34–61:03]

• Background: Silicon Valley entrepreneur claimed her company could revolutionize blood testing.

• Scamming M.O.:

  • "The Tiny Thing"—a machine that could supposedly detect diseases from a single blood drop.
  • Used “girlboss” genius image, adopted “Steve Jobs” wardrobe, and lowered her voice for perceived authority.
  • Faked demos for investors, kept operations secret in the name of proprietary tech. [48:45]

• Peak Valuation: $9 billion despite no working product.

• History & Fallout:

  • Indicted on 9 counts of wire fraud and 2 of conspiracy with COO/lover Sunny Balwani.
    • “One of the most embarrassing things: She sent [Sunny] a text, ‘You are my moon and my stars…’ He replied, ‘OK.’” – Laci [53:51]
  • Disgraced, but married hotelier Billy Evans, had his baby while out on $500K bail.
    • “She could keep a rich man! Where did she meet these hotel heirs?!” – Laci [54:40]
  • Sentencing delayed by pregnancy and COVID; faces up to 20 years.

• Pop Culture:

  • Hulu produced “The Dropout” starring Amanda Seyfried as Holmes. Guests debate if she profits from dramatizations.

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Simon Leviev (The Tinder Swindler) [61:03–71:51]

• Background: Shimon Hayute, Israeli conman rebranded as Simon Leviev, scammed women on Tinder by pretending to be a diamond heir.

• Scamming M.O.:

  • Wooed women with private jets (funded by previous victims), faked danger ("my enemies"), requested money for safety.
    • “The bodyguard Peter would pose bloodied in photos as fake evidence.” [64:41]
  • Created a Ponzi scheme—robbed Peter to pay Paul (or Cecile, Pernilla, Eileen).

• Notable Quotes:

  • “After the 20th time he said ‘my enemies’, I’m like, alright. This is something special.” – Corinne [66:09]
  • “This man is not fine enough to get a single coin out of me...I’d be like, I ain’t got it!” – Laci [67:58]

• Aftermath:

  • Netflix doc catapulted him to notoriety; banned from dating apps.
  • Dodges charges except in Israel; continues glamorous life, claims he’s an innocent single guy.
  • Now on Cameo for $300–$1,400, signed with a talent manager, seeking entertainment opportunities.
  • Victims still paying off debts, started a GoFundMe, with Corinne noting, “Netflix should pay them.” [71:55]

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4. Scammer of the Week: Zhao Yachi, Performance Artist

[72:31–75:43]

• Art Project/Scam: Chinese student spent three weeks living like a socialite, eating luxury foods, lounging at high-end hotels, all by dressing rich and acting the part. Documented for her art degree.
• Social Commentary:
  • “It’s interesting how these materials are distributed… usually assigned to people who look like they already have a sufficient amount of wealth.” [73:35]
• The hosts praise her as a genius, proof that class privilege gets you freebies.
  • “If you in Gucci and gold and Hermes, they’re like, ‘She’s tired from carrying her Hermes all day, just let her nap.’” – Laci [74:14]
  • “Good for her… That’s more of a tip, like a hot tip.” – Corinne [74:49]

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Notable Quotes

• “Scams don’t have to be something super huge. They can be the smallest little things. Any way you can get over.” – Laci [09:19]
• “I'm always in the front row for Beyoncé.” – Corinne [12:09]
• “Netflix gonna get the bag, and they running their prices up. Anna, I think you got scammed.” – Laci [40:18]
• “Women deserve to be able to defraud the tech industry like everybody else. Feminism.” – Laci [57:41]

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Key Timestamps

• [00:46] Guest Introductions & Scam Gamut
• [16:29] Listener Letter: Hotel Piano Scam
• [30:09] Where Are They Now? – Scammer Stories Begin
• [31:34] Anna Delvey Deep Dive
• [45:34] Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos Breakdown
• [61:03] Simon Leviev (Tinder Swindler) Update
• [72:31] Scammer of the Week: Art Student Socialite Scam
• [76:20] Plugs/Promotions & Close

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, sassy, and irreverent; Laci’s high-energy style keeps things light while tackling serious true-con subject matter.
• The guests openly tease themselves, each other, and society’s double standards, seamlessly blending personal anecdotes, scam tips, and pop culture asides.

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Miss This Episode?

You can’t fake the wit—or the wildness! From medical cons and concert seat hacks to infamous socialite fraudsters, this episode brings you up to speed on the funniest side of true crime. Punctuated by sharp social commentary and practical scam wisdom, it’s a must-listen for anyone obsessed with the art of the grift—or just the thrilling tales of those who got (and sometimes lost) away with it.
And as always: Stay scheming!

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall, this episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming. What's poppin Congregation? Welcome back to another installment of Scam Goddess. It is I, Lacy Mosley, AKA Scam Goddam. This is the podcast that celebrates fraud and all those who practice and preach it. Amen, guys. You know, I'm very. Yes, I'm very excited, elated, ecstatic. We lit. Happy to be here. We have two amazing guests for you today. They're host of the trailblazing podcast Guys We Fucked the anti slut Shamin podcast. Their new our comedy special, Our special day is on their YouTube channel right now. Get on the you's in the tubes and click on that right after this. They've just announced a new TV series come on television for Fox based on their podcast We Love Queens. Some creative queens. Congregation, please welcome Corinne Fisher and Christina Hutchinson. Hi, ladies. Hi, Lacey.

[Corinne Fisher]

What an intro. That's my favorite one so far.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, you get the best intro award for sure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Thank you. We like to give the girls their flowers while they're living. Okay. Not on the tombstone, you know, I appreciate that. Like, I'm trying to have a funeral while I'm alive, you know, And I just sit in the back like, mm, I was great. You know, Damn, she crying a lot. I want to pass out tissues at my own funeral. I just want everybody to just be so sad.

[Christina Hutchinson]

That's the only way to live, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

I think we all deserve to do that. We all fake our death a little bit, do a little Queen Elizabeth and, you know, watch from the back.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

See how much we were loved.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. I need to know So I love to ask in the beginning of the podcast, and either of you can go first. What's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? It could literally be anything. I just like to see where you are on the scam gamut.

[Corinne Fisher]

I mean, if you're gonna scam one of us, it's definitely gonna be me.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Okay? I fall for that. I fall for that.

[Corinne Fisher]

I have a lot of empathy, some naivete, some gullibility. I was. When I first moved to New York City, there, it happened many times where, like, a guy would come up to me and tell me about, like, his wife needs surgery. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's so sad. We can't afford it. Oh, my God. And then he would walk with me to an atm, and I was like,

[Lacey Mosley]

where are we going?

[Corinne Fisher]

He's like, can you give us money? And I'm like, oh, yeah. And I did. Like, yeah. I felt I've fallen for a lot of shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

Listen, Chris. Christina, I'm hearing a little bit of shame when you say this. Don't be ashamed of this. I've been scammed many times. I have also been scammed by the. Mine was a woman on the street in college who said that her grand. Her mother was in the hospital, her baby was at daycare, and her car had run out of gas. So it was a whole situation. And she also walked me to an atm. And listen, I think that you did the right thing. There's no way for us to know. How sociopathic would it be if you gave somebody money on the street who said that they were in need, and then you came back, like, three days later? Okay, like, let me see the receipt. You got that cedar cyanide bill. Like, how your wife doing? She get the surgery or no, like,

[Corinne Fisher]

it would be crazy.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

And I'm not.

[Christina Hutchinson]

And then they just put you in

[Corinne Fisher]

a position where it's hard for me to say no. So when you tell me, like, you're going through a hardship, I'm like, I. I can't. I can't say no to that. Corinne's way better at it.

[Lacey Mosley]

I love GoFundMe on foot. I love me GoFundMe on foot. Like, he was like, gofundme, but he's, like, doing the work. He's out here getting the steps in. I'm not mad at it. And I will say, christina, you don't even know. Like, maybe that worked out in your favor safety wise, too, because I found out later that the lady who was doing the my baby at daycare, my mama in the hospital scam if you didn't give her coin so that she was hitting people with bricks, like, oh, okay.

[Corinne Fisher]

So I saved my own life, possibly. I've also been scammed in that I've gotten breast exams when I shouldn't have.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, okay. Go on.

[Corinne Fisher]

I think twice. A doctor. Like, one time I was going to a doctor in the upper. Like, I was just moved to New York, and I needed blood work for a job.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I forget what the fuck job I

[Corinne Fisher]

need blood work for. But anyway, I needed, like, a checkup, like, a standard checkup, and the guy gave me a breast exam. And I was like. I left the doctor's office, and I was like, wait a second.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was that supposed to happen?

[Corinne Fisher]

I didn't think. And I called up all my friends, and they were all like, nope. And I'm like, ugh, damn. Okay.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I just feel like your titties probably didn't have anything to do with employment.

[Corinne Fisher]

They didn't.

[Lacey Mosley]

They didn't ask about your titties at the. At the jobhouse now. But. Okay. Was the exam good? Did it feel like a real exam? Was he really checking for lumps and dimples and shit? Or. He was more like pat.

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, patent it. Like, cup.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like he was cupping a ball. But it was my title. Yeah.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Oh, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I was like.

[Corinne Fisher]

As it was happening, you had to hold your arm up, you know? And I was like, I don't know.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is supposed to happen.

[Corinne Fisher]

And there was not. He was a male doctor. There was no female in the room. Usually when a male doctor. And it's a female patient.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Corinne Fisher]

Just like a third party to be there. And there wasn't any. I was looking around. I was like, there's supposed to be, like, a nurse here, right? And I'm like, damn it.

[Lacey Mosley]

Not damn it.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I never had an assistant in the room when there's. When there's a male doctor. I mean, my OBGYN is female, but I never heard that rule about having, like, a female. It's not like the airport.

[Corinne Fisher]

Well, whenever there's a female or a male gynecologist, there's always has to be

[Christina Hutchinson]

a nurse in the room.

[Corinne Fisher]

I always want to talk about a male.

[Lacey Mosley]

Want a gynecologist? Yeah. I always thought it was just. Most of my gynecologists have been male. I will say that. And I do prefer a male gynecologist just because I've had women gynecologists. And it just Feels like. Because if they're cisgendered women, they got a vagina. They're like, I got this shit. They putting the duck lips in all cold and just like, crank, crank, crank, crank. Like, they seem to be getting all rough with you putting. I got one. It's fine. I know this is fine, but I feel like all of the male gyna calls you've had have been like, is this fine? Do you need more of this cold jelly lube mislading? Like, they just feel like they're, like, a little afraid of the coochie still. Right, Right. But I'll say, regardless of gender, anytime I've pulled out any genitals, there's always been two people in the room, so.

[Corinne Fisher]

Me too.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I can't. I guess the nurse is just, like, there to, like, take the garbage and stuff a lot of the time. But I didn't know that was, like. I didn't know that was, like, a hard and fast rule.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Like a third party.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. But, yeah, this man, he. He almost had me when he said, put the arm up because the arm is a little bit a part of it, you know? But then the cup, cup, cup. I feel like it's supposed to be pinching or something. I don't. Right. Grab it or.

[Corinne Fisher]

I, I, I don't know. And I just. I was looking around like, this is weird.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know about this.

[Corinne Fisher]

And then, yeah, I guess I got scammed into getting felt up.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. That's the, the ultimate scam of being a woman is at some point somebody probably will do something inappropriate to you and. Yeah, but I'm.

[Corinne Fisher]

That.

[Lacey Mosley]

But. But, you know, hopefully the man's wife got his surgery. Corinne, do you. Have you had an experience with scams? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Are you a mark? Are you a scammer?

[Christina Hutchinson]

Well, I was like, I was listening to the examples of scams, and I was just like, oh, I thought you meant a scam was like, how to get, like, a free burger at Burger King. I didn't know it was like, h. How to avoid getting robbed on the street or sexually assaulted.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, we just.

[Christina Hutchinson]

On how I would categorize a scam. I was gonna come on and, like, tell you how to get to, like, a front section at Madison Square Garden when you only pay for, like, a back ticket. Like, that's. Those are my versions.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is also on the right track. How do you. How do you do that? I am intrigued.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I was thinking of it. I don't Know that I've ever. I mean, I'm. Listen, we've all been scammed. We live in America. We're human. We've all been scammed. But I can't think of one that actually, like, screwed me over long term yet that's not a requirement with, like, you know, there's a lot of opportunities to get scammed in being a comedian. When you start out, there's a lot of people who, like, say, like, to perform five, 10 minutes, you have to bring 10 or 20 people to this show. I mean, I think bringer shows in general are a scam, but it's like a very transparent scam.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is, but that's a scam. That. And scams don't have to be something super huge. They can be the smallest little things. Any way you can get over. Bringer scams are definitely. When I was living in New York City, like, shout out to all my friends from college, my relatives who are in the tri state, who I would trick into coming to see me do five minutes of stand up just so. And they. And you know, they make you pay. They make a pay at the door. Then they got a drink minimum.

[Corinne Fisher]

Drink minimum. To see a bunch of newbies do five.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. To see me, the person you already know, do some jokes, talk.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

I feel like Corinne. Corinne is really good at, like, getting things like she said, like, she can

[Christina Hutchinson]

sneak into a front row or, like,

[Corinne Fisher]

sneak into a party or something. Like scamming people that doesn't involve taking their money, but involves, like, you know, getting something more than what you paid for.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, that's still a scam. I still want to hearken back to the Madison Square Garden. Like, how did the girls get to the front?

[Christina Hutchinson]

Well, I mean, I think this.

[Lacey Mosley]

This was.

[Christina Hutchinson]

There was a. There's.

[Corinne Fisher]

I.

[Christina Hutchinson]

This is something I learned on another podcast. It wasn't my idea, but someone just like, brought it up in a segment that in the olden days, you could buy a one ticket to the front standing room only of a venue like a Madison Square Garden, or probably works on any of them. And then you just switch it out between your friends. You can scan in using the same barcode as many times as possible. So I guess in the age of, like, digital phones and stuff, you could just. If you. As long as you have the barcode, you basically go with a group of five, you know, or more, and everyone is using the same standing room barcode, and the other people get nosebleed seats, but then everyone can end up in standing room. You Know, especially because there's no seat that you have to end up in. It's just standing in this open space. So that was the scam. I don't know if that still works or not, but sounds good to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

I think that would still work because the thing about that is you're not using the barcode to get into the venue. You buy the cheapest seats up in the nosebleeds, and then everybody uses the one VIP ticket, which they know it's already been scanned because you had to get in there. So that's cute. And then we just keep passing it back. Somebody go to the bathroom or hand it outside of the section. I like this. Okay.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah. The only thing is, you need to know the structure because obviously they change different stadiums depending if it's like a sports game or if it's a concert. But Madison Square Garden and similar sites show you the layout of the arena that you're going to ahead of time. So you know where the stage is going to be, you know, if there's a general admission area. So it only works with places with general admission spaces. But yes, seemingly, I don't see how they could really work around that.

[Lacey Mosley]

So you just have to do it basically, like Ocean's Eleven style. You get on Ticketmaster and you print out the venue. Y' all are all strategizing in the nosebleeds. Exactly. I love this. I mean, guys, give it a try. Especially during. In these pandemic times, these concerts are probably hella unorganized. So, you know, this is probably really the time to just get up on stage so you can just get Beyonce sweat right on your face.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yes.

[Corinne Fisher]

I'm always in the front row for her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I haven't been in the front row yet. I've been to two Beyonce concerts. I need. I want to do the VIP experience, the Beehive one.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, and the last tour, the on the Run 2 tour, where they had, like, Jay Z and Beyonce had the. The stage was so fucking cool. And they had this object that went over the front row section, like, so you could.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh.

[Corinne Fisher]

So you could see the back of them and the front of them without moving. It was awesome.

[Lacey Mosley]

It was. I was there, but I was like on the side, like, up in the audience area. And I was like, I need. But they weren't my tickets. So I'm like, next time I'm gonna get so close that I have to work Beyonce's fan. Like, I wanna be behind the fan moving it, you know, making sure we keeping our queen dry. So dry and cool. But yeah, no, that's great. I think much of life is a scam. So from big to small, if you could get over just a little bit, I'm into it scam. These days, especially in these economies, it's all about choosing quality over quantity, especially when it comes to your wardrobe. If a piece isn't well made and versatile, then is it truly worth having? That's why so many people, including myself, love quins. Their fabrics feel elevated, the cuts are thoughtful and the pricing is actually making sense. The bath is mathing. Quince works directly with safe, ethical factories and cuts out the middleman. You're not paying for brand markups or fancy retail, just quality clothing. Okay, y'. All, have y' all seen my little Parisian photo in the black dress with the fur and the umbrella where I'm standing in front of the doorway looking all cute? Yes, that is a quint dress. I made it Parisian, honey. I can also throw it on with a jean jacket and make it wearable to the grocery store. That's what I love about quint. Right now go to quince.com goddess for free shipping and 365 day returns. That's a full year to wear it and love it. And you will now available in Canada too. Don't keep sett for clothes that don't last, go to Q U I n c e.com Goddess for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com Goddess America's Best Network just got bigger.

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[Corinne Fisher]

Amen.

[Lacey Mosley]

So we have a letter here. And Christina, Karen, either of you, like, I just need a fake name. Gender doesn't matter. We don't care about that for this person.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Madeline.

[Lacey Mosley]

Madeline. Oh, that reminds me of the books. Madeline.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, that's for cute.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, of course.

[Lacey Mosley]

So Madeline says, so I've got a scam for you. It happened 20 years ago. Okay. A moment in time.

[Corinne Fisher]

Letting the time fly.

[Lacey Mosley]

So that's just 2002. When I heard 20 years ago, my brain said 1980. But no, that's 2,082. Oops. That's why I paused. Cause I was about to be like, okay, shoulder pads. Okay. Way too much blush. But no, this is 2002. Is jowl fit and melts where your stomach is for some reason. Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

Low rise jeans.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yes, Low rise jeans. Where just the pants just stop at your glitter. That's where they end up. Your pubes. Right? There's pubes hanging out on top. Why? Why? Why did we let people do that to us?

[Corinne Fisher]

That's a good question.

[Lacey Mosley]

Jenzy was trying to bring it back and we said, ah, no, those pants, you don't like that one. If anything, bring the waist higher. Make the top of the pants a bra.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wanted. I want the pants to get hit my neck. So 20 years ago, I was a college student on study abroad in Italy. First, study abroad is a scam and I loved it. It is. It's low key. Is a scam. Please let me go and study abroad now. I'd appreciate it so much more than when I was a baby college student. That's true. When I was in London, I think I appreciated it. I think I did things, but I could have did more. But, yeah, I'm with you. Did you guys study abroad?

[Christina Hutchinson]

No.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Corinne Fisher]

But I. I went. I went. I. I went to London when I was in eighth grade, and I was

[Lacey Mosley]

just like, what the is this?

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, I was amazed by. I should have studied abroad.

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, studying abroad really just gave me a sense of how trash America was. I remember going to the grocery store, and they just had the eggs out. They weren't refrigerated or bleached. I said, what is. Whoa. Brown egg just sitting out in the air and whatnot. And they were like, this is how egg's supposed to look. I cracked the yolk. It was, like, orangey. I said, why y' all buying this? Right? Right?

[Corinne Fisher]

Cause the chickens are healthier. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

We were taught about processed diet foods. Honestly, green eggs and ham propaganda. That's when we started learning about our foods being dyed and the FDA fucking us up in America. We was like, yeah, green eggs. Why not? Makes sense.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

When I travel to London as an adult. Cause I've been there a couple times. It's wild to know, like, certain food is illegal there. Like, it's banned because it's got ingredients that are poisonous. And you're like, damn, that says something.

[Lacey Mosley]

It also fucks me up. That, like, Fireball, I guess, has some antifreeze components when it's sold in America. But then when it's sold everywhere else, they just take that ingredient out. And I'm like, well, why can't y' all just take it out for everybody? I don't know. Y' all like, no, we don't keep it in America.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That makes sense. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she says, I'm studying abroad. I was a baby college student. Said I'd been in Italy about a month and could fake my way through carrying on a conversation in Italian, and was going on a group trip down the coast for a few nights. Nights we stayed at a typical European tourist hotel. Not fancy, but nicer than the hostels.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

I've stayed at one of those because I couldn't do the hostel situation. I don't know how you sleep. I get it if the finances are where the fine and they where they financing, But I would just be very nervous to sleep in a room on a cot with a bunch of strangers. Like with all my belongings, Like, I gotta sleep on top of my belongings.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, like hugging your suitcase. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like there was probably a time and a place in life where it was safe to. But now it's just too scary out here. But I see it. So it says this one hotel in Postano was lovely with beach access and a big patio. Girl, what this got to do with the scam? Okay, so she said she was at a nice spot. I'm skipping ahead a little bit. Madeline, I appreciate you painting a picture, but girl, we got, we got things to do. So she says she's at this cute spot in Pasano and there's this man and he's like playing the piano and it's so beautiful. And Madeline says she started paying attention and looking at what he was playing and then more and importantly, watching his hands on the keyboard. He wasn't actually playing the music. He had pre programmed tunes and would hit play and then just dramatically mash his ray around the keys with a beautiful sense of drama.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wow, I've seen those.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I admire that kind of a scam.

[Corinne Fisher]

I've seen those grand pianos in hotel lobbies that are playing. They never have a person behind them because they're. They play by themselves. Wow, that's, that's. I mean, how do you sleep at night?

[Lacey Mosley]

I mean, I love it because I love a street performance. I had a girl that I knew doing comedy. She told me that she made her money in New York City, like playing her guitar in the subway. And she said the way to do it, like she would pay rent off of this. The way to do it is like, I was always thinking, like, the girls don't ever have nothing in the, in the little guitar case. Like it'll be like, maybe a one. It's a, you know, maybe it's a five. And she was like, oh, that's on purpose. So you never want to have too much money in the bowl because people be like, oh, she got it today. Like, I don't have to give her no money. She rich. And then if you don't have enough, they like, oh, she asked, ain't nobody tipping. Like, I'm not giving her my money. But if you have like one five dollar bill that says you, somebody thought you was popping. And then like two, a couple of one. She said, like, that's the, the key. That's what you really want to keep in there. So we start getting more. Yeah, you take it out. When you get more, you take it out and you leave that. So it's like, she ain't got enough. She only got $8, so I should tip, but you know what I mean? So I get it. There's a lot of street performers, and I've seen street performers in New York performing on the train platform, and then I saw them, like, later on the Voice and shit.

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, so, yeah, the street performers here are, like, top, top notch.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah. There's a waiting list to get in the subway. And then, you know, they started making professional banners for them, which, to me, kind of took the fun out of it. Like, if you have a professional banner given by the. The New York City, you know, arts Commission or something, that kind of takes the fun out of me wanting to support you, because now I know New York City is behind it. Like, I want to believe that you are a strong artist, even if you're not. Even if I go to your Instagram and you have a million followers, which is very common here in New York City.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I don't want to get on the train. And it's time for Showtime, and there's, like, a warmup comic I don't like. Hey, y', all, y' all saw the Metro went up 25. Since in a few minutes, I'll be bringing out Showtime. They're all named Showtime, no matter who they are, and they'll be pole dancing on the train. But. But, yeah, I don't want. I don't want it to be commercialized. New York State. That's whack. I don't want to see an official banner. I want to feel like the cops could come at any time, and they gotta just pick up their and run. Like, exactly.

[Corinne Fisher]

Spontaneous.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I can't. Honestly, I don't want to see more than one amp is. I'm like, if it's giving studio quality, I'm like, what's going on?

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yep.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's too professional. It's too professional. So, yeah, I'm with you on that, Corinne. That's a little too much for me. So he's obviously, like, playing around or whatever. So Madeline says, I went up to him when he was on break, and I told him in Italian because my study abroad scam, you know, that's what she was studying, was Italiano. She said the songs were beautiful, but his theatrics were even more impressive. That's what she told him. He sort of looked at me for a minute and then busted out laughing and confirmed that, yes, he was just faking his way through the hotel. Paid him to fake play for tourists. And it was a great Gig, more power to him.

[Corinne Fisher]

And they probably paid him way less because he wasn't an actual magician. Magician.

[Lacey Mosley]

Magician.

[Christina Hutchinson]

He was a magician.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he was a magician. He wasn't a musician.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Right.

[Corinne Fisher]

They get paid less.

[Lacey Mosley]

So this is actually not an uncommon scam. If you see street musicians, take a look at what they're actually doing. We have a guy here in town who sets up with a violin in a store parking lot and pretends to play some truly schlocky violin tunes. But if you look carefully, he's not playing the violin. It's just music coming out of his speakers. He gets a good amount of money, though, and more than what he would get. Just panhandling. It's a good grift. Okay. I like it.

[Corinne Fisher]

I'm gonna start looking at musicians on the street, way down. I never looked at the fingers. Like, I never. Cause I was like, of course they're playing. Why would they not? It's New York. Everyone has got passion.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't want to knock their hustle. I'm kind of sad that I said that.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I honestly think they deserve the money. They deserve the money because they are, to me, like, lying is so stressful, and there's so many things that you have to remember and follow. And so to fake to go through faking it for that long is a performance and a skill in and of itself. So I think they deserve the money just as much as a musician.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. It's like if you go to a concert and people are lip syncing, which the girls lip sync at the concerts all the time, or there's usually always a backing track. It's like you're still watching them bop around and walk around, and you know they're giving you something. You're getting some entertainment. So I like this also. Like, if you have a guitar and you never learned, or if you have something, a keyboard, y' all get out there with your speaker and start playing. Just play the music through the speakers and just mash away like Beethoven and see how much money you get. Like, it sounds like a way that we could all get involved. Like, yeah, right. Listen, there's a whole.

[Christina Hutchinson]

There's a whole TV shows dedicated to lip syncing. Like, I feel like faking a guitar is gonna be on, you know, a network next week. So just get a head start.

[Lacey Mosley]

Exactly. Like, I. I see nothing wrong with this. Especially, I think the violin is probably the best one to do because the piano and the guitar, like. Like, even the untrained eye, like, I know where all the chords are. Like, I had to learn that, you know, and from choir and shit. So I could probably tell if you're not actually playing the song, but if you're on the violin, I ain't got no clue. You just move them fingers around and just, you know, give me a little neck action. Make sure that neck is really rubbering, you know? You know, you just gotta do a little neck twerk. That's all it is. A little neck twerk and a little bow movement. Yeah, just a. Yeah.

[Christina Hutchinson]

As someone who plays the violin, you can definitely fake playing the violin because, like, I would even fake it sometimes when in orchestra. The music would get too difficult for the performance. I would fake it because it's more important to look good in the performance than to sound good. Because I knew there was other people in the orchestra who knew how to play better. So I was like, I'm just gonna look good. And everyone did. They commented after the show. They were like, corinne looks really good up there. I'm like, yeah, I was faking it. That's why.

[Lacey Mosley]

Corinne, I hope you were first chair. I hope you were first chair. And you were like, they were just

[Christina Hutchinson]

like, I was second chair.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay, that's still good.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Second chair is the best one. Less pressure.

[Lacey Mosley]

Way less pressure. First year, gotta play. Second chair is just back here doing vibes, doing. Doing the neck. Giving a serious face. Giving us face. Giving us face and neck and a little bit of arm. Yes. Okay. All right, y' all get out there and get y' all violins or get a viola. Get some shit that people nobody's gonna know. Get a harp. You know what I mean? Just start rubbing. Nobody knows what the fuck going on with the harp.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you get out here and you sexy and you looking cute and you just rubbing your hands on the harp, I will believe it. There is a black sexy harpist who really plays the harp, but she's so fine and she has so many Instagram followers because she's fine as hell. She's playing this harp. But I couldn't. She could literally be playing nothing. I'd just be like, look at her, all fine, just rubbing on this huge harp. Like, yes, you better rub it.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like we could all get involved in this, guys. You know, if you need some extra coins, y' all get out there. Go rent an instrument and a speaker and get it popping.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

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[Lacey Mosley]

I'm Ezra. Gail. Corinna. Christina. With a famous con caper group of criminals. Actually. Today I'm doing this. And honestly, I don't like peer pressure. I don't like to be bullied by the congregation. But I am doing a recap episode because you guys, for those of you who are not OGs of the congregation, you do not know that we've already covered all of these scams. But there have been some development. And so we're gonna go back, we're gonna talk about the developments. The where are they nows? The where are the girls? We're gonna be talking about Anna Delvey. We're gonna be talking about My queen, Lizzie Holmes and Simone Levinson. Simon Levinson, Shamon, the Tender Swimmer, which you guys can't get enough of. Which guys again, Miles Gray. I re released the episode from the Paywall. I think it was like our third episode. So it's out there. You can go back and get into that as well. So we're gonna start with. So obviously this has been the zeitgeist. Shonda Rhimes created a television show about Anna Sorokin. Who was Anna Delvey? If you don't know about Anna? She was a woman who moved to New York. Y' all are New York based. So, you know, I know you guys know the scene. And she came out there and she pretended to be a socialite. She did a lot of wire fraud, and she, you know, cajoled the rich girlies into giving her coins for her social elite club that she was supposedly going to be making.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Okay.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, I didn't know her story.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, you didn't know about Anna?

[Corinne Fisher]

No, no, but I've seen it. I've seen that. The thumbnail for that TV show everywhere. I'm like, oh, who is this woman?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes.

[Christina Hutchinson]

So, yeah, inventing Anna. Yeah, I did. I. I didn't know the whole story either, but it makes sense because I was like, socialites is a. Is a long way from the life that I lead. So.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, y' all weren't seeing her at the cigar club. Y' all Weren't. Nope.

[Corinne Fisher]

We don't even know what a cigar club is.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I place her this with Anna.

[Corinne Fisher]

I'll see her at Chipotle if she goes there.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'll see her at Chipotle if she goes there. Yes. So a little background. We have a picture here. We'll get the picture up for y'. All since this. That's lovely. I love that you guys don't know much about Anna. She's all in the zeitgeist. So now she's 31 and more widely known as Anna Delvey. So she was a Russian born, German con artist. So she's the one on the right. She's the one with the brown hair.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Ooh, yeah. She got scammy eyes.

[Lacey Mosley]

She really does. It looks like nothing's behind them.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right? Like Elizabeth Holmes, like dead in the eyes. Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. It's no soul back there. You know, like the brain is working, but the soul is like, we ain't here, girl.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, we left a while ago.

[Lacey Mosley]

And that was actually one of my favorite things about Anna is during her sentencing, she spoke after she was sentenced, obviously not before. And she said, you know, I am not. She said, I regret nothing. I am not a good person. And I was like, wow, I love that.

[Corinne Fisher]

Really owning herself. Wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like too many bad people are pretending to be good people. If you bad, just say that.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, you'll still have friends. People like, some people love bad people.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You might have more friends and you'll definitely have more girlfriends if you're a guy. So.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And let's not act like, especially in comedy, we know so many bad, nasty men who are out here getting a coin and a check and still on stage talking about cancellation by. They still making money. People love bad people. Just come out and say, you bad.

[Christina Hutchinson]

You are correct.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. And then at least we can avoid you if we want to. If we want to hang out with your ass, we can. Right. I think that's just fair. So from 2013 to 2017, she lived among New York's wealthy elite, pretending to be a German heiress. She was defrauding hotels, banks and acquaintances. She was eventually caught and arrested in 2017 after a trip to Morocco gone wrong and several evictions. So in short, she would go to these hotels and she, you know, she had the drip. She had the costume of a rich person. So she's wearing the latest label. She's giving you the Gucci Fendi is the Pradas. A lot of, you know, and she would give out $100 bills as tips to the wait staff. Like, it was nothing. But the hotel would be like, okay, Anna. Like, but what about the room, though? And she'll be like, oh, wire transfer. Easing the wire. Like, wire transfer will come to you. So do not talk to me about money. That's weird. You need money. Are you poor? Like, she would gaslight them and be

[Corinne Fisher]

like, it's good to know that women can gaslight, too.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

You always hear about men gaslighting. I'm like, yeah, good for you, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

Feminism, more women and gaslighting.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

But also, that's just a tool.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Is her accent actually that thick in real life? It's.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's a little weird, I think, that the actress who played her, which I know this girl's name, and it is fleeting me right now. She also is an Ozark. What is that girl's name? Anyway, she played her. People were like, this accent is weird. We don't know if it's it. And it actually, like, she's. She studied the girl. And if you hear Anna Delvey talk, it is a weird European. We don't know where she's from anymore. It's a mixture accent.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Oh, okay.

[Lacey Mosley]

Julia Gardner.

[Corinne Fisher]

German. German and Russian. That's two separate. That's very different. So, yeah, I imagine if she's.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, I'm from all countries in Europe. Raven Simone is from all countries in Africa. Anna Delvey is from all countries in Europe. Start talking me out. And I love. I love the gaslighting of, like, you need to talk about money. Like, why do you need money so bad? And it's such an American thing. Like, especially. I know you guys know as people who probably freelance at some point, if you work in comedy or, you know, gotten paid for a gig or whatever, and even acting, one of the things, especially when I was coming up is, like, I would do something, they'd be like, the net is like 30 or the net is 45 or like. And that means like. Like, when they do their payroll, like, when you'll get paid for the actual job. Sometimes you'd be waiting months after you did a job to get paid, and if you would hit them up, they'd be like, I mean, do you need money? Like, why are you hitting? Like, are you broke?

[Corinne Fisher]

You feel guilty, right?

[Christina Hutchinson]

And you're like, yeah, I do need money.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Do you have money? Are you.

[Corinne Fisher]

Because I did the job.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right there. And you gaslight the gaslighter.

[Lacey Mosley]

Boom. Right? And that's just the truth. But that's such a Tool that people use in our country. So I love that she was using it back on the hotels. Like, why are you talking to me about money? Like, this is a hotel. You don't have money. I said, it seemed the wire. So she would tell the girls the wires were coming. The wires. She ain't ever been near a wire.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, man.

[Lacey Mosley]

So eventually she was caught and arrested. In 2017, she was indicted on multiple counts of grand larceny and was found guilty of eight charges. In 2019, the once wealthy socialite of downtown New York was incarcerated. And at Rikers.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oo.

[Lacey Mosley]

They put that at Rikers. Rikers. That's just prison. Prison.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

My friend used to work as a security guard at Rikers, and he was like, one year. That was all I could do.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, security you responsible for keeping people in Rikers? Oh, no.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yep. So they need more than just the water.

[Lacey Mosley]

If I was security at Rikers, I would definitely get fired because the girls would be climbing over the fence. I'd be like, what you want me to do? That's a violent offender.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. My hands are tied.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? Do you know what they make weapons out of in here? Everything. I saw somebody stab somebody with bread. I said, how you get bread hard enough to stab? No, no. Could have been me. Wait, so did she get out? Is she. Where the hell is she now? So she was found guilty of the a charges in 2019. She. I believe she. She is still in the prison. So the once wealthy socialite of downtown New York was incarcerated, and then she was given a sentence of four to 12 years in state prison and fined $24,000 in order to pay restitution for $199,000. She served two of those years and was given an early release. However, she was arrested six weeks later by ICE for unintentionally overstaying her visa. Now what she got out of two years. They let her out.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I mean, she said, that's not that much money, though. Like. Like to r whole life. I'm kind of not impressed by $199,000.

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she's. Yeah, it was more than that. She stole more than that. That's what she had to pay in restitution. Now, for me, she's doing hand to hand interpersonal scams. She's telling these people, I'm gonna start this social club. Give me the coins. For the social club, she had applied for loans at banks and faked collateral, saying that she had money coming from her father and faked all These bank statements and shit. So that's really where she got into the trouble. But for me, it's like if somebody asked me for money, much like the guy on the street who said that his wife needed surgery, and I give the money, and she don't need the surgery. I don't know if we need to send people to jail for that, but she was fucking with banks. So when the FDIC gets involved.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, the fdic. When the government's like, please don't screw over these poor banks. They can't handle.

[Christina Hutchinson]

They can't take the loss. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's just Mr. Bank of America crying on the witness stand. Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

So I wonder if she, like, changes her look, I guess, like, after you are known for a scammer, you just, like, cut your hair, dye your hair, or get color contacts or something.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think she's trying to change her look. Anna's into the fame. She's into the clout. She wants the girls to know that. That it would 10 tell them it was me. You know, she's in jail. Like, tell them it was me. Wow. And what's also interesting to me about this is, like, how is ICE gonna pull up? First of all, ICE is ass. Fuck ice.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

But this woman was in prison. How y' all gonna be like, well, you didn't file your paperwork to keep your visa current. She was in the jail. Right?

[Corinne Fisher]

Right. She had no. There was no paper. They wouldn't give her a pen. That's right.

[Lacey Mosley]

She was studying abroad at Rikers.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right, Right. That island has no writing utensils.

[Lacey Mosley]

So as of February 2022, Anna is still in custody at this time in an Immigration and Customs Enforcement jail cell in upstate New York, waiting to see if she'll get deported back to Germany in exchange for the rights to her story. Netflix played Anna $320,000 to produce the limited series Inventing Anna. Now, Anna, I think you got scammed. Cause 320k, that's not a lot. That's not enough. Says, Netflix gonna get the bag. And they running their prices up. I think you guys. Right, right.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Their monthly. Their monthly price just went up, actually. Well, she probably didn't have representation, so, like, she probably didn't have an agent to be like, we need to ask for more.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's probably like, yes, you should use your one phone call a day to, like, hit up an entertainment lawyer that

[Christina Hutchinson]

she's, like, in jail. And then Netflix is, you know, just getting celebrated for making this documentary or, I mean, this not this series, the scripted series. When they're giving money to this person who was arrested for scamming no one, no one ever. People always are very selective about who they place blame on. So that's very funny to me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. So she used the funds to pay back her victims in full, but apparently there was not enough for ice. So in a letter published shortly before the release of the show, Anna details her recent experience, saying, I am here because Immigration and Custom enforcement decided that my early marriage release from prison means nothing to them. Despite being perfectly self sufficient. When I left on my own devices, they're saying I am a present and continuous danger to the community. Now I will say, Anna, you came over here on a visa. The biggest thing, I think on visas in any country is don't do no crime in the country, right?

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. And that's, that's pretty fair. That's a fair ask.

[Lacey Mosley]

Like, that's like just like number one. They're like, don't, don't do no murders. Right. And you know, and also don't do no other crimes.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right? Because then why we don't want. You're not, you're not a welcomed guest.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, right. This is like if you're a guest at somebody's house and you steal all day silverware, it's like, yeah, girl, like,

[Corinne Fisher]

like they, they don't want you to

[Lacey Mosley]

come to their party, right? It's like, we invited you to the party, girl, and you stole my tv. Like, what? Yeah, we're upset.

[Corinne Fisher]

She's so detached from reality. That's so funny.

[Lacey Mosley]

Holy shit. That's really funny.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

So she also goes on to describe that she hasn't seen a doctor in years despite having contracted Covid in January, as well as her frustrations with the bureaucracy affecting her detainment. The most recent twist from ICE is that this is her again. The most recent twist from Ace is that I've been waiting since November for a decision to reissue a letter that never arrived here. As in, so basically she ain't getting mail, she's trying to get the letters. And as inventing Anna is released, it's still unknown whether Anna will be deported back to her home country. So when it was dropped on Netflix, she's sitting in detainment at ICE waiting to see if they're going to send her back to Germany.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Wow.

[Corinne Fisher]

So she didn't get to go to the premiere?

[Lacey Mosley]

No, she did not get to walk the carpet, which is unfortunate. I feel like ICE could have gave her a furlough to go to Hollywood and Hit the carpet.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, just real quick. And then come back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, it seems like they got ICE detention in LA for sure. Like, she just transfer over here real quick, take somebody with her. I'm sure somebody at ice, you know, up ass ice would love to go to a Hollywood promotion.

[Christina Hutchinson]

100. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

You know, get some free cocktails and some crudite. Like, it could have been a moment. I'm a little upset that it didn't happen, but, yeah. Anna lives in infamy just because a lot of people are very obsessed with the fact that she tricked so many rich people. You know, she had a trainer, a guy who's pretending to be her trainer. Like, there were so many people who made her seem rich. And she got arrested after the Morocco situation because what happened was that she went to Morocco where her homegirl. And then she had got this resort and said she was paying for it. You know, bing, bang, boom. The resort is like, hey, girl, y' all haven't actually paid for the rooms and whatnot. And like, we need currency. And she was like, I have currency. It's coming in the wire. Just stand next to the telephone pole. It'll be here soon. And they were like, girl, we need some collateral. And so her home girl was like, oh, well, I'll just put down my card from her job. She was like, I'll put down my company, amex bags as. As like a hold. And she's like. And she was like, you're not gonna charge it, right? And they're like, yeah, yeah, we're not gonna charge it. And of course, Anna's like, yeah, they're not charged. Money comes soon, you see. And then, of course, by the time they end the trip, the car gets charged in full. Like, 80 grand for this trip.

[Christina Hutchinson]

80 grand.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then homegirl went back to her job and they said, hey, sis, we're looking at your car charges for the month. And how many times did you go to Panera with on work business? Because it's 1 million times. 80 grand is a lot for work lunches, just so you know. Yeah. So she. She got in trouble. And so that's when she reported the fraud and everything, because. But also, like, I don't know if that's. Girl, you volunteered your card. It's not like she took it out of your purse. Right.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Because the Tinder's. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

How do you say it's fraud when

[Christina Hutchinson]

it's like, oh, I had to pay for a vacation I also went on? That's fraud. That seems like. I didn't know I Could use that as an excuse on vacation.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I'm gonna start calling Amex with some new. Like.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

Because they got the good coverage.

[Lacey Mosley]

I'm like, I bought these Gucci loafers without looking at the tag. That's fraud. Because if I had known how much they were. Bought them. No, they didn't put. They didn't put a price tag on it. They just rang it up. She already had my car. So anyways, amex. Yeah, that wasn't me.

[Corinne Fisher]

It was a sales associate.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I didn't know you could do that. I feel like if you volunteer your card, you're the liable.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just to take a liability. So let's move on to Lizzie Holmes. Lizzie Holmes. If you guys don't know, she's the queen behind Baroness.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I love Elizabeth Holmes. Yes. I'm obsessed with her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. And for you guys, if you don't know about Lizzie Holmes out there, my good sis, she was in the Silicon Valley. She was giving us a tech costume. She was giving us an accent. Lizzie would lower her voice so that she sounded more masculine. She wore the black turtleneck, Steve Jobs, you know, cartoon character wardrobe.

[Corinne Fisher]

Dead in the eyes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Dead in the eyes. Yeah. So she had the whole uniform, and her whole thing was the tiny thing. That's what I call it. So the tiny thing was this little thing that held blood that supposedly you could take a pin prick from someone's finger, put the blood in the tiniest thing, and then run it through The Tiny Thing 3000, which she called the Thomas Edison. And then it would tell you everything about your blood, your DNA, like what diseases you got, what you. You know, all of this from this one blood prick of the tiny thing. And here we have. Over here in the corner, we have photos of her holding up the tiny thing. Thing. Now, what I love about this is because it was. It was borderline comedy. She was like, I'm gonna go to Silicon Valley. I'm drop out of school. I'm gonna do everything that the tech dudes do. And then what is. What's technology making things smaller? That's technology. It is. She's right.

[Corinne Fisher]

She's.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yes.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right.

[Corinne Fisher]

Worked probably that. I. Yeah, I. Because if somebody makes something so many

[Christina Hutchinson]

people, obviously she was onto something. This is incredible. Yeah. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

And the great thing, the dead in the eye. Eyes.

[Corinne Fisher]

The dead in the eyes was so, like, that would have made me. That's the only thing that would have given her away. But she's so dead in the eyes, and her voice is so weird that I'm like, who what are you doing? Like, she just feels like she's in a play all the time.

[Lacey Mosley]

I feel like that made her relatable to men because, you know, there's so much intrinsic hate that men are taught through misogyny to just general. In general, hate women and anything associated with femininity. And so here you have this woman who's like an amorphous, you know, person. You know, like, what's going on? Dead behind the eyes. There's no. None of that. Typical. She's one of those female warmth. Yeah. She's got the deep voice she keeps, you know, like. And she's. I love it. I love everything about it. And one of the great parts of this is, too, is, like, she had a lot of venture capitalists, people who. Which basically means people with a lot of fucking money who are just trying to make more money. And. And what venture capitalists do is they take their cash, they spread it out through different investments. They know most of them will fail. But it's just like gambling in the casino. If one hits, it makes up for all the money you sunk into some bullshit, right? So they're giving her coins, and then they're like, okay, Ms. Lizzie, where is the tiny thing? Like, how does it work? We want a tour of the Tiny things studios, where, you know, your office space. And so they went on the tour. She made it so secretive. If you went, you had to have a bodyguard with you. You couldn't use the bathroom without the bodyguard. Like, they were watching. Because basically her whole thing was. Is like, I can't tell y' all how it works, because then somebody's gonna steal the tiny thing idea patents.

[Corinne Fisher]

I'm just gonna do.

[Christina Hutchinson]

It's very, very smart.

[Lacey Mosley]

It's genius, because how do you argue against that? She was like, I would tell you how this is legitimate, but then you gonna steal it, and my tiny idea will be gone.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right, Right. That's brilliant. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

And people believe that she had a partnership with Walgreens, but they were like, we would like the tiny thing. Can you imagine getting your blood pricked at Walgreens for a scam?

[Corinne Fisher]

For nothing. For nothing. Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

And it ended up being that Walgreens was having. They were doing regular testing of the blood, but pretending that they were using the Thomas Edison Tiny Thing 3000. Because it wasn't working. But, yeah, she had. She had it all going. So the success was found on the girlboss genius, Lizzie Holmes. And it was heralded as a revolutionary idea thought up by a woman girl boss considered to be young Steve Jobs and. Oh, is this a court look, Marina, that we have up right now? Yeah, Lizzie's giving. Lizzie decided to turn it for court. Ew. Okay.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, she was.

[Christina Hutchinson]

She was.

[Lacey Mosley]

She was more bro y when she was doing the tech stuff, but when it was time to go to jail, she was like, wait a minute.

[Corinne Fisher]

She's a chameleon.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said, let me go to dry bar real quick.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, that's the way you go to court. Yeah, she got the Malibu Dry Bar, this lady. I didn't know what I was doing, but when you want to sell people stuff and get a lot of money, you have to go, I know what I'm doing. I have the tiny thing with me.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. I'm a tiny thing, masculine woman. But then at court, she was like, I'm just a lady with a vagina brain. How would I know how to rob millions from investors? Yeah, I just have a blowout, y'. All. What y' all talking about? So she was the world's youngest female self made billionaire. And Theranos was one of Silicon Valley's, like, unicorn foreign startups valued at $9 billion. So at the height of this. At the height of the tiny thing, they were like 9 billion. Wow.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And like, that tells you about valuation because it's like, just like the stock market. Like, it's all vibes. Like when Mr. Big, who was outed as a nasty man because Peloton can't get a break. Shout out to anybody who work at Advertisement and Peloton, because I know y' all start smoking like three packs a day, just drinking whole vats of coffee feed, because every time y' all get on the Internet, they like, someone keeps

[Corinne Fisher]

dying on your bike, said it's like their fault, not yours.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, man. Every time y' all get on the damn Internet, somebody did something to Peloton and. But you know, and just like that, the Sex and the city reboot. When Mr. Big died on the Peloton, the stock dropped 13% the next day.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wow. So people do watch Sex and the City and invest.

[Lacey Mosley]

Okay. I guess they were like, oh, no, we gotta get sell that Peloton stock. Okay. And then after that, they did the commercial with Mr. Big, and then people were like, Mr. Big's a nasty man and he's doing the salt. And Peloton was like, ah, hell, all right, we're back in the drawing room. Like, I hate to be in Peloton's war room. Like, bitch. Oh, man, that does suck. Y' all just sitting there hitting delete all Day, like, all right, well, get rid of that. Get rid of that. Get rid of, like, oh, my God, that's so funny. They not paying y' all enough. Whatever it is, it's not enough at peloton, but so, you know, the. It's all valuation, all this shit is vibes, because how are you valued at $9 million? And essentially all you have is, like, an empty pill cap. $9 billion.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's skillful stir up of. Of interest, man. That is so much energy. You have to put it up to that ruse. That's a dedication.

[Lacey Mosley]

So it all got crap, you know, it came crashing down. In 2015, the company came under investigation for its medical claims. The company was exposed to being capable of creating the technology it said it was selling. Lizzie was. Was exposed as a grand architect of fraud. I love architect of fraud. That's classic.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's a nice way to say it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

I would like to think that I have been robbed by several architects of fraud.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. It makes it feel like you were less naive.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right? They got a degree.

[Corinne Fisher]

Right. They had drawings. They mapped it out.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, exactly. A PhD in chicanery. I love it. That makes me feel better about any time I've been scammed. An architect of fraud. She was ousted as CEO of the company. And. And the. And the company was forced to completely shut down operations in 2018. That same year, a federal grand jury indicted Ms. Holmes and former Theranos chief operating officer and president Ramesh, known as Sunny Balwani, on nine counts of wire fraud and two counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. They both pleaded not guilty. So she's indicted along with Sunny Balwani, who at the time was her boothat. And one of the most embarrassing things during this case was when they were reading the text messages between him and her, and there was a text that, literally, if I saw them start to read this shit, I would have got up and been like, I'm guilty. I'm guilty. No. Stenographer, stop typing like it's over. Shut it down. Put the computer down. Put the typewriter up. Like, I would have just pushed the typewriter off the table, like, no. Cause she had sent him this text like, you are my moon and my stars, and you are the light, and that guides me. It's. It was real dramatical, and it was really long. And Sunny responded with, okay,

[Corinne Fisher]

wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I was like, wow.

[Corinne Fisher]

And then she had a baby with somebody else.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, but, I mean, you have to. You have to have a baby with somebody else.

[Corinne Fisher]

Wow. I respect her, like, you know, willingness to move on.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, no, it's like, you gotta leave after that. It's time to leave. But, you know. So they were in it together and they must have both known that this was. Was a scam, right? So they both pleaded not guilty. So where is she now? Lizzy? We just saw her with her fresh blowout, which we will put on the scam goddess Instagram. She's wearing new threads. She's giving us Shania Twain. I feel like a woman. And so while waiting trial, Elizabeth married and had her first child with hotelier Billy Evans. So he's an heir to hotels. And. And she could keep a rich man.

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, wow.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess so. Look at this man. She said, look, I gotta pay these bills. So where is Lizzy hanging out? Lizzy write the book. What's the Sierra Prayer? Because I wanna. What I wanna.

[Corinne Fisher]

How does she.

[Lacey Mosley]

How does she get a quality dude? Like, wait, what?

[Christina Hutchinson]

This guy's the kind of average looking. I think this is the one on the right is just a good photo of him. And also, if you're good at lying in business, you're good at lying across the board most times. So he doesn't. You can convince people that you're awesome.

[Corinne Fisher]

He. They married that Melissa hall married that guy.

[Lacey Mosley]

Maybe he thinks she famous. You know what's crazy though? This is why I hate dating apps. Because Corinne, you made a good point in one photo, which let's make sure we have this photo for the Instagram. He looks like very corny, regular. It's giving, you know, khaki, right? It's giving. I wear Dockers, you know. And then in the other one, he's giving like zaddy with his beard. Like, is it the beard? I don't. You know.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, it looks like he's got a hat. Because that hat is like almost, almost a uniform. And any, any man goes up 10 hotness when they're in any kind of a uniform. It could be firefighter, it could be UPS man. Like any uniform makes a guy look better. The UPS uniforms got hot.

[Lacey Mosley]

It is shorts. What can brown with those with the ca.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I saw a hot UPS man just today. I was like, hell yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

I would do it all hot too.

[Lacey Mosley]

And their calves are always so good because you never see them because they always run away real fast when they ring the doorbell. And by the time you open the door, sometimes I run real quick, they already gone trail of smoke. So those calves are giving. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah. Cause he goes from looking like all American Dan, you know, Dan, who Played baseball in high school. He wasn't, like, good, but he played. And then. And over to, like, this zaddy who looks like. Almost like he's like a European giving us some Europe. All countries in Europe, you know. Yeah, that's very deceiving. And then Elizabeth is looking a little homely back there, as always. Yeah, but, yeah. So she married this man. I just want to know where she hangs out. Where did you meet these hotel heirs, honey? I want to know, is she out of jail? In 2022, in January, Elizabeth was found guilty on four charges of defrauding investors. She was found not guilty on a three additional charges concerning defrauding patients and one charge of conspiracy to defraud patients. So what's funny about this is that all the rich people got some justice, and then all the patients who didn't really have the coins, who were also defrauded, got nothing.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, America, huh?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yeah, right. The poor venture capitalists. What else will they do with their bills?

[Corinne Fisher]

I'm so glad they got reimbursed.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just wiping their tears. $100 bills. Like, I can't believe it.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

So during the trial, several friends and supporters arrived wearing black turtlenecks and their hair tied back.

[Corinne Fisher]

Supporters?

[Lacey Mosley]

Yes. She had a girl gang. The tiny girls showed up, and they wore their black turtlenecks and they pulled their hair back and they showed up for their queen.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Listen, there was always someone to support everyone.

[Lacey Mosley]

So truly, this would be no different. It really is.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

The Lizettes showed up. They said, no, not today, okay? Holy shit. Women deserve to be able to defraud the tech industry like everybody else. Feminism.

[Christina Hutchinson]

That is a good point.

[Lacey Mosley]

One performance artist even set up a shop outside the courthouse selling blonde wigs and black turtlenecks and blood. Blood energy drinks.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Oh, my God. I would have bought every single one. And then I would have been. What the.

[Lacey Mosley]

That's great. Holy. What a combo. He said, hey, girl, I have synthetic wigs, I got black turtlenecks. And we go all the way up to 2x40 dollars. And blood energy drinks. Because that's what you need. You need out.

[Christina Hutchinson]

You need outfits for fun, right?

[Lacey Mosley]

And you need some energy, so you could be out here all day standing for Lizzy. Okay? So Elizabeth faces up to 20 years in prison, as well as a fine of $250,000, plus restitution for each count. Covid complications and her pregnancy. Because, remember, she. Right.

[Corinne Fisher]

She did that on purpose.

[Lacey Mosley]

Lizzie was like, I'm gonna get married. Cook up a baby real quick. Let me gestate on the justice system. Yes.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's a lot of energy. Good for her.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn, I love that. Cause, yeah, like, she's a pregnant woman. Y' all are really gonna put the pregnant woman in jail for what? A little some paper. Lies. Some lies on paper. Come on, guys.

[Corinne Fisher]

In widdle itty bottles. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Just some tiny, little, very, very tiny fraud. Come on, guys. So because of her pregnancy, the COVID complications, this all delayed the proceedings. But she's slated to be sentenced in September 2022, and remains free on half a million dollars bond, which I'm sure her hotel daddy got the coins.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, that's no problem.

[Lacey Mosley]

She said bond. Okay, Barry, we got it. Like, wow. No, that's nothing. Say less. And she cooking up a baby. Oh, she did it, right? I love this. And she came to court with a blowout. No longer was she wearing her hair slick back and in the black turtleneck. She came with a blowout. And she went to Ann Taylor Loft. Yeah. And got a suit. Love this. For her, Hulu's doing a limited series called the Dropout, based on Elizabeth Holmes's life. Amanda Seyfried will be playing Elizabeth Holmes.

[Corinne Fisher]

I wonder if she's getting paid for that.

[Lacey Mosley]

I wonder, too. Like, did she sell the life, Right?

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah. Well, the thing is that you don't have to pay people to. I guess you can kind of just speculate on people's lives.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, okay. I don't know what those are.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, I don't either. For the life rights versus, like, if you do. Because I know, like, Pamela and Tommy Lee are not involved in the Pam and Tommy show on Hulu, right?

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, it's just like, authorized versus unauthorized. I believe that's how it works for books, at least. Like, I only know about this because, like, the Spice Girls and stuff, they made a lot of VHS and books about them. And it was. If it was authorized, they got paid. And when it's. It would very clearly say unauthorized when they weren't getting paid. But it wasn't illegal to do it,

[Corinne Fisher]

folks, or public figures.

[Lacey Mosley]

But it probably makes it more interesting or at least more legitimate to the outside public if the person it's based on is like, yeah, I said go up.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

This is me, Lizzy. So that's where Elizabeth is at. You know, she's out here with her baby and her new rich man, living the good life. Shout out to Lizzy. And last but not least, least we're gonna visit Simone Shimon. Simon Shimon. He. He's saying he changed his Name from Shimon to Simon Lev. And you guys know him as the Tender Swindler. Y' all hit me up about this all the time. I told you again, the episodes are I pulled it from behind the Paywall with Miles Gray. Very fun. We talk about some things that are not in the documentary, so it's fun. The Tinder swindler had made headlines after a 2022 Netflix documentary of the same name was released. There was also a big article released under the same name, the Tinder Swindler. Two and a half years before that. Because that's where we found out about our homie Simone Shimon. So he's been out here in the streets for a minute, but the girls really found out from the Da Dun. So Shimon Hayute was known for engaging in deceptive courtship practices via the popular dating app Tinder. In 2017, Shimon changed his name to Simon Leviev and began calling himself the son of the Israeli Russian diamond tycoon Lev Leviev. I love naming your kid Lev Leviev. Like, you were like, let's just keep it going.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Jewish McJewish.

[Lacey Mosley]

Here we go. Yeah, it's great. Beautiful name. So on Tinder, he presented himself as a wealthy heir living a life of luxury, seeking beautiful, wealthy women to join his lifestyle. So I just don't know if billionaires are on Tinder.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I don't actually.

[Corinne Fisher]

Are they?

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Corinne Fisher]

But maybe millionaires.

[Lacey Mosley]

I don't know.

[Corinne Fisher]

In New York City on Hinge.

[Christina Hutchinson]

I mean, I'm sure maybe like, someone who wanted to bring Pretend, like, like, oh, let me see what it's like to be a peasant for a day on Raya.

[Corinne Fisher]

Like, the best you're going to get is a dj. So it's like, Yeah, I can't imagine they're on Tinder.

[Lacey Mosley]

Christina, thank you for saying it, because I have a Raya. And I said, where. Where are the girls that I was promised? Because all I'm saying is Equinox trainers and consultants. Huh? I'm looking for celebrities, right?

[Christina Hutchinson]

I never seen celebrities on Riot, but, like, they never. You never match with them. I. I never. I know.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. The only one I saw who I saw Trevor Noah. And I was like, y. Yeah, but I'm like, that could have been a fake profile, though, because all the photos were professional. And I'm like, fucking Raya. If he tricked me. But, you know, he never. He never wrote back.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn, That's. But wait, but it was a match, because you got. Don't you have to match the right.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, no, I didn't. I didn't match with him. I did not match with him.

[Lacey Mosley]

No.

[Corinne Fisher]

I would have, like, never forgotten that if I did.

[Lacey Mosley]

Holy shit. But, yeah, so, you know, I've just never seen, like, a billionaire. Millionaires, maybe, like, celebrities, for sure. But, like, I know what, like, really, I actually know this. That there are people in the industry. I know certain people in the industry who their whole kind of flex and little hustle is. Is, like, they know all the bad in whatever area. Like, there's a woman who knows all the bad in Houston. There's a woman who knows all the bad in New York. And, like, celebrities will have contact with these people, and they'll be like, oh, we having a party. Like, bring the bad bitches. And then they show up with the baddies. You know what I mean? So they know how to find. They don't have to go to the bar, you know, I mean, like, drink. Drake loves to go to a Hooters on Peach street. But, you know, most of the girls, they know how to find the girlies without abs. So that was already, like, flag number one. After several months of dating, he would then suddenly disappear, claim he's in grave danger and hiding, and then ask for thousands of dollars to save his life. On top of it, like, with evidence, he would send photos of his bodyguard, Peter, bloodied in the back of an ambulance. Ambulance claiming an attempt had been made on his life. So this Peter, his bodyguard, I love his acting, right? He's like, oh, this hurts so bad. He's like midwinter.

[Christina Hutchinson]

The one line of blood across his

[Lacey Mosley]

forehead and a little bit on the pillow. So, you know, he's been bleeding for a minute. Sprinkle it on the pillow. Right, right, right.

[Corinne Fisher]

I wonder if they. How much they pay this ambulance guy to.

[Lacey Mosley]

To take a quick pick, right? Or was this, like, the one time that he got injured? And they just keep reusing using this photo on every. All the girls that he's hitting on. They're like, look, we're in danger. Look at my bodyguard. He's saying, ow. While I took the photo. Like, why are you taking this photo while this man is rude. It's rude. He's like, hold still, Peter. You blurry. Hold on. I'm on portrait mode. I gotta make sure.

[Corinne Fisher]

Enough light in here.

[Lacey Mosley]

You gotta hold still. Yeah, we gotta see the blood. Can you hold? Joe, camera light up while I take a picture of Peter? Yeah. Okay. One. On three, say pain. One, two, three. Pain. So then he sends this to the girls. This scheme eventually became the sort of ponzi scheme leading Simon to become wanted by Interpol in seven different countries. Because he would hit them up and be like, I need y' all to give me the money so I can pay these girls off. The girls naturally would send their cards and would be. He would begin, like, racking up massive bills while pressuring them to send more money. So he was like, please, like, hit the amex, take out a payday loan. Like, they're after me. And it's like, I thought you had money. I thought you were, like, a part of the diamond. Like, the diamond king. Like, you know, family. Like, why do you need my coins? Can't you just get Daddy to give you a rock and you could go pawn it? Like, what's going on?

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, his enemies.

[Lacey Mosley]

His enemies. Shut his cards off. What? Who are the times that he is?

[Corinne Fisher]

He has stated his end, that is talked about. His enemies. It's like, all right, that one. I would eventually not have fallen for that event. After, like, the 20th time he said my enemies, I'm like, all right, this is something special.

[Lacey Mosley]

And what's the vague idea of enemies? Just. Just general enemies. Like, who are these people? It's like, be like, my haters. My haters cut off my cars. Who are these people? Why are they mad at you? Right, Right. Give me a name, Terrence. My enemy. Like, who are the enemies? Oh, my God. Like, it's just a little too vague. The three women featured in the documentary, Cecile, Fichhoe, Pernella. I'm just gonna say their first names. Pernilla and Eileen, collectively gave Simon over $500,000. Money that was never seen again.

[Corinne Fisher]

5.

[Lacey Mosley]

Half a million dollars to a man.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah, he.

[Lacey Mosley]

To a man.

[Corinne Fisher]

But I appreciate, like, what. You know, his long game. It wasn't that long, but, like, if I'm going to be in a private. First of all, I mean, I would. Luckily, when I was watching this, I'm like, all right, I would have known Billionaires have matchmakers. So already you're full of shit.

[Lacey Mosley]

So that's that.

[Corinne Fisher]

Luckily, I wouldn't have fallen for that in my 30s. In my 20s, I was. But if I'm already on the private jet, I mean, that's a big. And then he, like, he whined and dined him for, like, a month.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, that's how he would get them. Because the Ponzi scheme of it all was he was taking the money that he had just gotten from the last chick that he ghosted, and he would use that money to flex on the next chick that he planned to rob. So, you know, the second day, he's like, hop on the jet, baby. We going to Greece. And, you know, you're like, this man must be rich. I'm on a jet. You know, I'm on the man. My PJ is on the pj. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

He's such a schlub. The picture of him in. In Israel when he was living with his mom, who, like, hates him now, is. Is so funny. Like, he was, like, chunky and just, like, a shitty beard and, like, not stylish glasses. Like, I like the eyeglasses of, like, the, like, the mathematician war in high school. Like, it's just.

[Lacey Mosley]

He's also not sexy enough for this. Like, this man is not fine enough to get a single coin out of me. Like, we could park, and he'd be like, I need a quarter for the meter. And I'd be like, I ain't got it.

[Corinne Fisher]

Nope.

[Lacey Mosley]

And I start walking. My purse is like, I ain't got no change. You're not getting it from me, sir. Not a dime. So where he is now? After the release of the Tinder Swindler documentary, Simon was permanently removed from the dating app. So Tinder said, my name is Bennett. We're not in it. And neither is Simon. He refused to be interviewed by any outlets. He disappeared for a certain time. However, he's recently given an exclusive interview to Inside Edition. During the interview, he maintained he was just a single guy that wanted to meet some girls on Tinder and. And get a lot of money from them.

[Corinne Fisher]

He.

[Lacey Mosley]

His quote ends at Tinder, but we know the rest. He's denied all allegations, including that he ever presented himself as a son of a diamond mogul. Simon claims he's funded his lifestyle through investing in Bitcoin in 2011 when its value was less than 10 cents. He's currently dating Israeli model Kate Canolan. Wow. Kate.

[Corinne Fisher]

Kate Wagy.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's so hot, too.

[Corinne Fisher]

I saw a picture. I'm like, this motherfucker's not in jail. And then not only that, he has, like, Ferraris and a model girlfriend. I'm like, oh, my God. Come on, girl.

[Lacey Mosley]

K claims that she's never given Simon any coins and accused the three featured victims as faking a giant story. I don't know if I would fake this story because it's kind of embarrassing for them. Like, yeah, yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

You got to admit, you're not about

[Christina Hutchinson]

being a straight guy. You can always find a woman who will side with you, like, every time. There's always. There's always Someone who will side with you.

[Lacey Mosley]

No one's on my side. Right. And then also, like, this woman gets to speak for all women. Like, she's just one random woman. These three women have very similar stories. And they gave him a lot of money. Though he's deleted his Instagram. Simon has also signed with a talent manager, Gina Rodriguez of Gia Tony, Inc. In hopes of pursuing a career in the entertainment industry. Well, we know the man is good at lying. You know, you might be able to ask Career, what does he want to do?

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

What the fuck?

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, my God.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Additionally, he's joined Cameo hosting a game show next year.

[Lacey Mosley]

Yeah, he's on cameo. Yep. For $300, you can have a personalized video message. And for $1400, you can have business ones from Shimon.

[Corinne Fisher]

Brilliant. Motherfucker. That's a great cameo. That's a great birthday idea.

[Lacey Mosley]

Shit. Right? You sent it to him. It was like, hey, baby, it's me, Simon. I love you. If you send me $3,000, we can be like, you know.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah, that's exactly what I would ask him. Request that he say, like, I would request, like, him. Tell me about your enemies. Oh, my God.

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, yes, the enemies. We do want to know about the enemies. Simon's ex bodyguard, Peter Petor, has filed a cease and desist against Netflix for the depiction of him as a knowing accomplice to Simon. It's like, maybe he didn't. Maybe he wasn't knowing. He had to be annoying. A. Now you knew.

[Christina Hutchinson]

So for you, I have some idea.

[Lacey Mosley]

Something. So for what he characterizes as a irreparable harm to his reputation and career, he's asking for 5 million euros. About $5.6 million if you're a bodyguard. You. What you talking about? Nobody is checking a bodyguard's resume. If you show up large, they will let you guard the entrance to any club.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yep. Just scare one person and you're in. Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

If you show up big, they'll be like, you have the job. I don't think that they're checking references. Like, they're not calling the last club you're at like, hey, 40. 40. Was he. Was Ptor bodyguarding good? Was he? Oh, my God. They don't care though. Simon has never been charged outside of Israel, Cecily, Pernilla and Eileen are still paying off their debts and have started a gofundme. So now the girls are like, can y' all fund us so that we can run Amex back their coins? Oh, they've made it up to €164,000 as of today. That's.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Wow, that's impressive. I sure of a hot girl. Will do.

[Corinne Fisher]

Netflix should pay them, but you know, right.

[Lacey Mosley]

I guess they had to appear for free for it to be like the docu style. Because I think if you pay people in that style, then it's like not seen as legitimate.

[Corinne Fisher]

That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[Lacey Mosley]

Because then you could be like coercing them to say certain things or whatever. So I think that's kind of one of the stipulations. And then when asked if he felt bad for what he did, Simon said, I feel bad for something. He said, I feel bad for something that I didn't do. No, I feel bad for whatever happened to myself.

[Corinne Fisher]

Rip Shimon, what happened to you?

[Lacey Mosley]

Oh, man, you stole a lot of money. I don't think anything happened to you, sir. You know what, Simon, he probably gonna be on our movie theater screens very soon. The way America's set up, this man is gonna have the best career out there. It's time for the end of the show, Scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise. Or maybe not. We will see. Today we're talking about Chinese student Zo yachi, who spent 21 days eating free food, staying at luxury hotels, and using VIP lounges and facilities, and wearing expensive clothes and jewelry without spending a dime as part of an art project for her school. Oh, that's great. I love this trick. That's a good art project, she said. So all she had to do was pretend to be wealthy Beijing socialite. That's all she had to do. So to pull it off, Zao wore expensive looking clothes and a fake Hermes bag. She published it in a post saying, it's interesting how these materials are distributed. They are usually assigned to people who look like they already have a sufficient amount of wealth in life. So during one of her outings, she walked into a Louis Vuitton store where she was immediately shown a fourteen hundred dollar handbag and offered an invitation to an exclusive exhibit. The rest of her time she stayed in VIP lounges, eating from their buffets and sleeping on their new couches. So she would sleep in the hotel lobby, but because she had a Birkin, they were like, oh, yeah, no, let her nap.

[Corinne Fisher]

That's all it takes, huh?

[Lacey Mosley]

Shit. And she was 23 years old. She filmed the Experience, which premiered at the Central Academy of Fine Arts in Beijing. So obviously this is a class thing and we all know about this. If you come in, showing up like a vagrant off the streets. No, they're not gonna let you sleep on their couch. But if you in Gucci and gold and Hermes are like, she's tired from carrying her Hermes all day. Just let her know. Somebody get her a blanket. Right.

[Christina Hutchinson]

So what. What, she something? Yeah.

[Corinne Fisher]

Did she scam these hotels out of staying there or scam people out of paying her? Or did she.

[Lacey Mosley]

Was it legit?

[Corinne Fisher]

An art project?

[Lacey Mosley]

She was scamming, so it was an art project for her. But obviously, she also did run a little Griff. She would just show up looking fine, and she's a cute girl and looking rich. And so she'd go to the bar and people would pay for her drinks. Or she would go to events, and they'd be like, come on in, girl. Free food, feed, drinks. Or she'd go to the hotel and they'd be like, yeah, this is our fainting couch. Go off, sis. Like, and. And they just let her do whatever. I think this is an excellent scam.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah. Good for her.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And under the guise of education, which it is. I mean, it's just. It's already. But it's like, is this something that we didn't know already, girl?

[Corinne Fisher]

Right, right, right. That's more of a tip. Like a hot tip.

[Lacey Mosley]

Right. That classism exists and that it's just like, rich people get free stuff, you know, but they don't give the free stuff to the poors. They, like, you pay right now. Oh, right this way, Ms. Knowles. We have a free boat for you. Just take a picture next to the boat, maybe.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

Tag us and it's all yours. Tag us and you can have this home. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we all know about this, but I think this is cute. It's just. But I also think it's a bit of a scam. Cause it's like, baby girl, we already knew this, but I love this for you. So here she is, sleeping at the hotel. She's charging her phone. Oh, she got her Birkin with her at the gym.

[Corinne Fisher]

Oh, wow.

[Christina Hutchinson]

She's working out with no shoes on.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's in the sauna right now, still with her Birkin. Oh, my God.

[Corinne Fisher]

Good angles. She getting good angles.

[Lacey Mosley]

Damn. She was sleeping everywhere. She was sleeping in the gym. Okay. She putting the food in her purse. She's putting her feet up on the couch.

[Corinne Fisher]

Damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

She's trying on emeralds. These are real diamonds. They're like, yeah, you can put this on.

[Christina Hutchinson]

Oh, damn.

[Lacey Mosley]

Free samples everywhere she going. I mean, yes, oh my God. I'm not mad at at it. I don't know if it was some information that we didn't already have, but good for her for putting light on classism whilst getting free things. Guys, that brings us to the end of this episode. Oh, you guys were wonderful. We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Upcoming projects, socials, anywhere you'd like to be found.

[Corinne Fisher]

We want to promote our special day. It's our debut standup comedy special where we each do half hour standup sets and then we open the close a special with interactive segments of the audience. Audience. It's really fun. It's available to watch for free on YouTube.com guys, we fucked without the u in fucked.

[Lacey Mosley]

Censorship. Yeah, a little censorship. Okay, and then where can we find you guys on socials?

[Christina Hutchinson]

I'm at Philanthropy Gal on all social media. TikTok, Instagram, Twitter and I'm Hristina Hutch.

[Corinne Fisher]

Yeah.

[Lacey Mosley]

And then Christina Hutch. And Christina spells her name K R Y S T Y N A. I love a non traditional spelling. I'm L A C I so love that. Love that from us. Thank you. Yes. And then as always, guys, send us in your letters. Snitch on your friends and family at [e-mail] if you want to see the photos and the videos from this episode. Scamgottispod on Instagram or scamgodesspod on Twitter. And if you want to see my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I D Lacy on all platforms, congregation Stay scheming. Scam Goddess. This has been an earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Moseley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Paiz and researched by Kalen Brandt. Stay scheming Eczema is unpredictable, but you can flare less with ebglis, a once monthly treatment for moderate to severe eczema. After an initial 4 month early longer dosing phase. About 4 in 10 people taking MGLIS achieved itch relief in clear or almost clear skin at 16 weeks. And most of those people maintain skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.

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