Who Framed Woman-Ochre? w/ Sabrina Wu

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary

Episode: Who Framed Woman-Ochre? w/ Sabrina Wu
Host: Laci Mosley
Guest: Sabrina Wu
Air Date: September 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Scam Goddess dives deep into two deliciously twisty scam stories: first, guest Sabrina Wu shares a personal brush with a high-level, international scam known as "pig butchering." Then, Laci and Sabrina break down the wild, true tale of Jerry and Rita Alter, two seemingly average retirees who pulled off the historic “Woman-Ochre” art heist and hid the multi-million dollar painting in plain sight for over 30 years. The show closes with a “Scammer of the Week” segment about an HOA’s outrageous campaign against a homeowner.

The episode balances sharp comedic banter, detailed scam breakdowns, and social commentary—delivered with the fast-paced, irreverent, and unfiltered tone that Scam Goddess fans love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sabrina Wu’s Real-Life "Pig Butchering" Scam Experience

(Starts approx. 03:12)

• Sabrina’s Relationship with Scams: Admits almost falling for a scam during filming in Toronto—"I almost fell victim to a pig butchering scam." (03:12)
• Explanation of "Pig Butchering": A scam in which criminals gradually gain trust over prolonged communication, making small emotional or financial 'cuts' until they can orchestrate a major theft.
• How the Scam Unfolded:
  • Sabrina was contacted via FaceTime Audio, supposedly from a US government official, but the call was in Mandarin.
  • The scammers had significant personal info on her and pretended to be police officials from Sabrina’s family’s home province in China.
  • They convinced her to join a Zoom call, presented in full "costume" with fake police insignia.
  • She was asked to sign documents in Mandarin, share her passport, and keep the investigation secret under threat that she could be deported or in danger.
  • A requested 24/7 Zoom call plus a request to screen-share her computer raised her suspicions.
  • When she shared the whole saga with a trusted white producer, and saw a Reddit thread warning of these scams, she realized she'd nearly been duped.
  • Noted the added pressure of speaking a second language and being isolated abroad made her more vulnerable.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "I almost fell victim to a pig butchering scam." — Sabrina Wu (03:12)
  • "I literally said to the scammer, 'thank you so much for your patience. My Chinese is so bad.' And they're like, 'of course, of course.'" — Sabrina Wu (06:37)
  • "If something feels weird or sounds weird, say it to somebody else. Or, like, write it down." — Laci Mosley (19:20)
• Takeaway: These kinds of scams prey on language barriers, isolation, and legitimate fears, specifically targeting Chinese nationals and immigrants.

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2. Historic Hoodwinks: The "Woman-Ochre" Art Heist

(Segment begins approx. 23:49)

• Who Were the Perpetrators?
  • Jerry and Rita Alter: a retired teacher couple with a "loud" sense of style and a pink stucco ranch in New Mexico.
  • Described as living loud, eccentric lives—traveling to 140 countries, having a yard full of busts and obelisks, and a home full of odd art.
  • "They just loved art. So they closed the case in 1987. But it stayed on the FBI's top 10 crime list." — Laci Mosley (43:35)
• The Crime:
  • In 1985, the Alters (in disguise with heavy coats and a fake mustache—despite Tucson's desert climate) calmly cut out de Kooning's “Woman-Ochre” from its frame at the University of Arizona Museum of Art.
  • The painting (now valued at $160 million) quietly hung behind their bedroom door for over 30 years—never moved or sold.
  • The weirdness of keeping it hidden (not enjoying it, profit-motivated, or sharing with the world) points to psychological or petty motivations.
• Discovery:
  • After their deaths in their 80s (2012 & 2017), an antique dealer bought the couple’s house contents for $2,000 and found the painting, after which it was identified by a local artist.
• Theorizing About Motives:
  • Sabrina suspects they were "art world haters"—jealous, bitter, and kinky but not professional criminals. The lack of attempts to profit suggested resentment, not greed.
  • "It feels like they're putting [the art] on their wall to be like, y'all can't ever see this again." — Sabrina Wu (54:18)
• Comedic Highlights:
  • Ongoing jokes about their wardrobe: "That chain is screaming at me." — Laci Mosley (26:16)
  • The couple's likely spicy marriage: "They were doing it for the crazy sex...the thrill of each other's body." — Sabrina Wu (48:11)
  • Tangential riffing on gallery snobbery, van life, and the couple's apparent taste for African artifacts.

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3. Social Commentary & Sidebar Conversations

• Ethnic Targeting: Both Sabrina and Laci discuss how certain scams specifically target ethnic communities—such as Mandarin-speaking immigrants. Sabrina’s story includes a moment where her grandmother (in China) roasts her for falling for it:
  • "'Of course Chinese people can be evil!'" — Sabrina Wu, quoting her grandmother (21:34)
• Art as a Scam: The hosts jokingly unpack how the art world itself operates on sometimes arbitrary value and gatekeeping, aligning with Jerry’s personal bitterness.
• HOAs as a Scam:
  • The "Scammer of the Week" spotlights Irina Green, a Black homeowner in Florida arrested by her HOA for having a less-than-lush lawn—a case the hosts say smacks of racism and larger social manipulation.
  • "The HOA is a scam." — Laci Mosley (58:03)
  • They express support for Irina and make broader points about injustice, race, and property ownership in America.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pig Butchering Scams:
  • "The scammer guffawed...He was like, have I asked you for any personal information?...If I was trying to steal money, I'd probably ask you for information, right? — Sabrina Wu (11:10)
• On Jerry and Rita’s Motives:
  • "I think they're just art world haters...so bitter and kinky as hell." — Sabrina Wu (53:41)
  • "An art hater, but an amazing lover." — Sabrina Wu (56:05)
• On the Absurdity of the HOA Case:
  • "Now I have a record because of some grass? Oh, no, your ass is grass, too." — Laci Mosley (61:05)
• Sabrina’s Grandmother:
  • "'You fell for that?!'" — Sabrina Wu, quoting her grandma’s response to the scam (21:17)
• On Smuggling and Thrill-Seeking:
  • "How do you think you stay married this long? You have to commit crime together." — Laci Mosley (48:22)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:12 – Sabrina describes falling for a "pig butchering" scam
• 07:49 – Explains how scammers use personal data leaks to find victims
• 16:47 – The scammer requests 24/7 Zoom and screen-sharing access
• 19:20 – Laci’s advice: "Say it to someone else if something feels weird"
• 23:49 – Historic Hoodwinks: Intro to the Woman-Ochre/Art Heist story
• 26:10–28:00 – Visual jokes and character studies of Jerry and Rita
• 38:05 – De Kooning painting is cut from frame and stolen from museum
• 43:35 – FBI closes the case; painting's value and location discussed
• 54:18 – Sabrina’s theory: stealing as an act of resentment
• 57:11 – Scammer of the Week: HOA vs. Irina Green
• 63:21 – Hosts speculate neighbor sabotage against Irina, express outrage

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Episode Tone & Style

• Fast-paced, irreverent, and honest: Both host and guest share deeply personal and sometimes embarrassing stories without shame, offset by sharp, joyful digressions.
• Comedic but insightful: Frequent asides, pop culture references, gentle teasing, and deep-dive theorizing.
• Community- and justice-minded: Earnest support for scam victims; critical of institutions that enable scams or commit their own (e.g., HOAs).
• Lively interaction: Laci and Sabrina riff off each other, creating a playful but thorough exploration of each story.

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Summary by Segments

Sabrina’s Scam Story (03:12–21:34)

• Pig butchering scam breakdown, personal vulnerabilities, how even the informed fall for complex frauds.

Historic Hoodwinks: The Alters’ Art Heist (23:49–56:18)

• The wild story of two retired teachers turned secret art thieves; theories about motives; discussion of art world elitism; celebration of their "loud" and "kinky" personalities.

Scammer of the Week (57:11–65:44)

• A Florida woman jailed for her lawn, illustrating institutional racism and the pitfalls of modern homeowner associations.

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Where To Follow the Guest

• Sabrina Wu
  • Instagram & Socials: @aSabrinaWu
  • Projects: "Murderbot" (Apple TV), "Dying for Sex" (FX), "Joyride" (streaming)

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a masterclass in blending personal storytelling, true con art, and cultural critique—ripe with off-the-cuff humor and compassion for scam victims. Laci and Sabrina bring heart and hilarity to every scam, making it engaging and informative for all listeners—even those new to the “scamverse.”

Stay schemin’!

Transcript

[Sabrina Woo]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Sabrina Woo]

Hi, Lacey. Hi, everybody.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you for taking the time out of your multiple, multiple jobs to do the podcast.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, my God, no problem. You guys are so lucky to have me.

[Lacy Mosley]

But. And we feel that way. We feel that way. I have to ask you, though, Sabrina, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you run any scams that are past the statute of limitations? It could be anything.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, I'm so glad I'm on this podcast. While we were filming Murderbot, I almost fell victim to a pig butchering scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, wow, this is specific. A pig butchering scam. Do you be.

[Sabrina Woo]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Do you be cutting up pigs a lot more?

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You making your bacon fresh? Yummy.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes, that's right. It's like. Okay. I only googled it because I almost fell victim to it. But the idea is that they, like, is like the scammer will sort of kind of like, keep you, like, either on a phone call or for them. It was like they wanted me on a zoom call with them for a week straight. Okay, I know. And the idea is that they just slowly. It's called pig butchering because they, like, kind of make small cuts at you until eventually they, like, take everything that you're worth.

[Lacy Mosley]

So they're just asking for little bits of money.

[Sabrina Woo]

Not even. It's like, little. Okay, should I just tell you the story?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's not gonna reflect well on me at all. And in fact, it'll make you feel like, wow, I guess any idiot can have cool jobs.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no, no. We never shame here, ever.

[Sabrina Woo]

I'm just surprised that since you're scam goddess that you. You. I thought, like, the minute I said pig butchering, you would have been like, oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I may not know the phrase, but I probably know the style.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, no, it's like, it's. It's scam going Asian mode for sure. It's like, basically while I was in Toronto filming Murderbot. Okay. And I also just gotta add. Wait, am I annoying you in any way?

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no. You're chewing gum, though. My fans are gonna kill me. I'm sorry. I was just looking at them to see if they could pick it up.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, it's fine. I got rid of it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, thank you.

[Sabrina Woo]

Hey, sorry to the listeners and to anyone who loves mukbangs and asmr, you're welcome.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. The Misophonia girlies will be like, what's going on? Damn, they're strict. They. Okay, see, that's. I like that. It doesn't. Oh, you can beatbox.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, shit.

[Sabrina Woo]

Is the mic picking up on that.

[Lacy Mosley]

That was, like, a casual, like, flex.

[Sabrina Woo]

Well, I was like, if the mic can pick up so much, I might as well.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it. Wait, I'm over here bobbing my head. I'm like, okay, yeah, this is a different shout out. Oh, oh. Robbery and fraud. Pig picture in supreme. Ones and twos. All right.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, you should make that your intro or something. Okay. Okay, so I'm de railing. I didn't take out.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, Love it. Love it. So what. What happened? Like, how did this person in county. Did they send you, like, a text message? Did they get you on, like, Instagram? Like, how did you meet?

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, I got several FaceTime audios from what I thought was the US government, but which, yeah, could have been a red flag.

[Lacy Mosley]

Uncle Sam definitely wants to see our face.

[Sabrina Woo]

It was like. I know. Based on audio. Based on audio.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, so, yeah, so they just called it on.

[Sabrina Woo]

WI Fi went digital. Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Lacy Mosley]

And with all the budget cuts, honestly, like, the government could be calling us from, like, you know, a flip phone.

[Sabrina Woo]

In Trump's America, anything's possible.

[Lacy Mosley]

Anything's possible.

[Sabrina Woo]

I do think it was Biden's America.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, you know.

[Sabrina Woo]

And what do I have to say about that? Not much.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not like it was much better. I mean, it was much better, but not that much.

[Sabrina Woo]

Let's cut it. Let's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, God.

[Sabrina Woo]

No. I got this, like, FaceTime audio. And. And the. The name that popped up was very. It was like. It seemed like the initials of someone I knew who was going through a breakup. So I thought maybe this person was, like, desperately trying to reach me while I was in Canada. So I picked up. And then as soon as I pick, the person on the line was speaking in Chinese and knew my last name and was just like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you speak.

[Sabrina Woo]

I speak manner, but not that well. And that is my excuse for how I fell so badly for this scam was that half my brain was just, like, dedicated to translating what was being said to me, you know? Like, I was like, actually, like, I literally said to the scammer, I'm like. So I was like, thank you so much for your patience. Like, my Chinese is so bad. Like, you're so great. And they're like, of course, of course.

[Lacy Mosley]

But this is kind of the perfect setup. You're out of the country, I'm out North.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

The FaceTime looks like someone you might know, so I pick up. Yeah. And they also know your last name and know you speak Mandarin, so they did a little research on you.

[Sabrina Woo]

And here's Sorry. I'm like. It's such a long, epic.

[Lacy Mosley]

But no, I love it. Continue.

[Sabrina Woo]

I think, basically, do you know this, like, app called We? It's like W E E E. It, like, delivers, like, Asian food and groceries. And I used it one time, and I think there was a huge data leak. And so then this. I think what whoever was scamming me targets. What they are hoping for is, like, Chinese nationals in America. And I think the big scam is to, like, just, like, extort you for a ton of money and make you think if you don't give it, they're gonna deport you. The government's gonna deport you. So that's the main scam, and that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Would be popping right now because the government is just, like, out on the streets deporting anybody, like, without a trial, without any due process.

[Sabrina Woo]

You know, this was happening during Biden's America right now, this scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, ICE was still around then.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, of course. But just imagine how good this scam is going.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, y.

[Sabrina Woo]

Investors need to get in on this. This is a very. This is a lucrative business. I mean, yeah, this scam must be popping off. No, it's so scary. But what they told me was that they were just like, hey, is this Sabrina and Chinese, like, Ms. Wu? And I was like, sure, yes. Like, what's going on? They're like, is this your phone number? They were, like, telling me all these things about me, and they were just like, hey, we just want a flag that there is a credit card registered under your name that has been, like, attributed to, like, a lot of scams and that. And they were scaring me by being like. And as a result, like, well, they're like, do you know about this? And I was like, no, no, no. And they're like, really? And I was like, yeah, no, I. I definitely, like, don't have a credit card.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're like, really? Yeah. Cause y' all made it up.

[Sabrina Woo]

They made it up. Really?

[Lacy Mosley]

You don't know.

[Sabrina Woo]

They got my ass. I've never felt stupider in my life.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, this actually sounds like a pretty complicated situation.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's gonna get insane. Sorry. There are costumes and a set. Like, I get sucked in. So, like, well. And. Because, again, I'm in a different country, I'm alone. And they're like, okay, this is really good that we reached you, because, like, if. Like. Because actually we're gonna shut. We were gonna shut down your phone number, like, in the next. Okay, wait.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We went from. I got A fraudulent credit card in my name to now you're gonna shut down my phone number Y' all calling AT&T.

[Sabrina Woo]

I know, but when a sweet man speaks to me, Amanda, and I assume he's like, my father who's just looking. Lijia was just like, oh, my God, like, like, thank you so much for letting me know. And he was like, no problem. Like, we'll try to. And then he was like, we can extend, like, the amount of time your phone works, but just, like, you need to contact essentially, like, somebody in this region in China. They were basically saying, like, whoever was scamming all these people, like, they've, like, is in China and in this specific province that my family is from. So it was like, another coincidence where I was like, could someone have, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now, Sabrina, you do remember that you're a public figure, right?

[Sabrina Woo]

Well, it does come up. I was about to say they don't know that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, okay. They might know something. I feel like they had to have Googled you.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, they didn't. And actually, what happened was, okay, eventually. Oh, my God. So eventually, like, basically, like, I get connected to, like, a phone line that, like, registers as, like, that region, like, the Fujian, like, provinces, like, local Chinese department.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, and why did they say that you needed to get connected to this phone line?

[Sabrina Woo]

Cause they were like, well, they were just like, you need to, like, go talk to the police to catch this guy because he is, like, doing, like, illegal things under using your identity. Okay, I know I was a fool, but I also was again, trying. Just mostly spending my energy trying to speak in Mandarin fluently. And then, like, I was like, well, here this person is calling me with this, like, name. And then I get on that call, and again, everyone is so nice to me. And might I add, I even said, hey, are you guys scamming me right now? And the guy scamming me guffawed. He went. He was like, all right. And then he was like, let's play it back. Have I asked you for any personal information? I said, I guess not, like. And he was like, right, okay. Why don't you.

[Lacy Mosley]

So defensive.

[Sabrina Woo]

I don't know, but, man, did I feel fudgeing stupid. I was like, damn, this guy. Like, I was like, God, I'm such a paranoid Gen Z idiot. Like, because he was like, hey, if I was trying to steal money from you, I'd probably ask you for information, right? And I was like, right, you're so right. And I was so.

[Lacy Mosley]

Damn, he really got you with that one. That's like, if you Have a partner who's cheating, and you start to suspect, and then they're like, why would you even think they flip it on you? Like, why would you even say that? Why? You know, I would never do that to you. I would never scam you. I did nothing but give you information. Bookie. They will.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. They would say, sir, sir, if you could. Prince.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Sabrina Woo]

Thank you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Love it.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. I'm with who I believe is the local Chinese police department, where this, like, man who has stolen my identity is, like, committing fraud and, like, stealing money from the elderly. And obviously, I'm worried about the elderly. And then basically, this cop is, like, gets me on a zoom with him. He's like, wait, you. Let's. Let's link up. Because, like, I think it was, like, hard for me to communicate over the phone. So I wasn't. So then we get on a zoom, and I'm on a zoom call with, like, two Chinese men dressed in, like, cop costume. No, I'm not even kidding. And there was, like. There was, like, even a big, like. Like what? Like, an insignia on the back of, like, the police department. And anyways, like, what happened was, like, they then told me, like, I was a part of a larger scam where, like, this one evil, like, mob boss had stolen my identity. Like. Like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And they're the police, but they need you to solve the crime. They know a lot about the crime, but then they Getting you involved.

[Sabrina Woo]

You're making me feel dumb. Can I just say that you're making. You're shaming me.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm not shaming.

[Sabrina Woo]

And that's okay. The goddess.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm not shaming.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, I'm just k. I feel shame and I'm projecting.

[Lacy Mosley]

I don't want you to feel.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, they know a lot about the crap. No, it's so intricate. There's so many layers. And they just kept getting me, like, deeper and deeper. But the thing was, they were just like, this person is very dangerous. And, like, they were basically trying to convince me for my safety, we should, like, keep checking in with each other.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Sabrina Woo]

And they were also, like, making me sign these documents. Oh, they're like, can you sign these documents? And they were basically me trying to, like, it was all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Were the documents in Mandarin?

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, shit.

[Sabrina Woo]

And not only that, this again. This scammer was so patient. He, like, translated every sentence for me to make sure I understood all the words in these fake legal documents. And the understanding was that I, too, was under investigation because they were like. They were like, we think that you are a innocent party being wrapped up in a scam. But we don't know. And we also need your cooperation to, like, not speak out about it so that we don't, like, interfere with this international or, like, this international.

[Lacy Mosley]

So can I tell you not to say nothing to nobody?

[Sabrina Woo]

Exactly. And then they were like, hey, like, you need to be on this Zoom with us. And that's what made. That's. That's when the acting thing came up. Cause I was like, ooh, I don't know if I can be on a Zoom with you because I actually have to be on set, and I'm really scared of pissing off my boss for this. And they're like, wait, you're an actor?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no. Then they're probably like, ding, ding, ding, Jackpot.

[Sabrina Woo]

Well, there were a lot of things that bummed them out. And I had a theory basically when I got on the Zoom, because, you know, I have, like, short. I had a buzz cut then, and they thought, you know, I'm Ms. Wu, like, in their mind. And I have this. This the sexy girl voice. And I. I logged onto the zoom, and the two men were like, wait, is that you with the short hair?

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, so they must have not Googled then.

[Sabrina Woo]

They did not Google. And they were shocked I was gay. They were like. They were. They were like. They literally were like, your hair is very short. I was like, yes. And they're like, why.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why?

[Sabrina Woo]

Do you have cancer? I was like, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no.

[Sabrina Woo]

I was like, no. Sure?

[Lacy Mosley]

No. But you are gay? Yes. Why are you gay? Nothing. How you gonna get. How they gonna try to be homophobic while they trying to scam you? Like, I gotta pick something.

[Sabrina Woo]

They were homophobic. They were just kind of, like, thrown off. Because I think part of it was that they were recording me on zoom. So I'm sure they were also gonna use their plan. I think it's, like, a really complicated scam. Sorry, I've done so much thought into it, but, like, I love it. I think they were gonna, like, use my likeness to then scam, like, adult men. You know what I mean? Like, as if they're like. Cause I think that's part. That's why. It's like a pig butchering scam. They're, like, taking my signature from the legal documents. They're taking my likeness from the Zoom recording, and then they're slowly stealing your idea. Exactly. And they basically, like, keep you hostage by being like, don't tell anyone. You're under a lot of danger. You're in a lot of Danger.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, we also think you might be the criminal.

[Sabrina Woo]

Exactly. And you're just like. And you're kind of, like, trying to, like, be in their good graces and. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of time spent being like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And.

[Sabrina Woo]

But when they found out I was an actor, I think it sort of stressed them out because I was a higher profile. Yeah. They were like, wait, you're an actor? Like, and they literally were like, are you famous? And then I was like, I'm like, like, in Chinese, being like. Like trying to figure out. To say, like, trying to figure out Google translating. How do I say number four on the call sheet? I'm like, oh, yeah. Like, I was like, I'm like a D list, E list celebrity.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, if you Google me, things come on.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's exactly right. And they're like, oh, okay. That. They were very like, we think that's fine.

[Lacy Mosley]

This really threw a wrench in it for them.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wait a minute. Famous.

[Sabrina Woo]

I know. And more. I'm like, what? Like. And they were just like, you gotta be on this zoom, like your life is in danger. And, like, little did they know I value my career a little bit more than my own life. I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm too scared to ask my producers to, like, let me step out to go on a weird zoom. Even with the international police. Yes. And basically the only way I figured out it was a scam was like, after. I was like, hey, I can't do a 24.7Zoom call, but why don't we do, like, regular check ins also?

[Lacy Mosley]

What are you gonna do if I'm on the 24. 7 Zoom call? And then the scammer man busts through the door. He's like, I got your bitch. And then, you know, like, y' all go, just watch the zoom. Like, what are you. You gonna be on a zoom? Like, stop that, stop that.

[Sabrina Woo]

He asked me to screen record. So basically, I think the idea was that he's gonna be on a, like a 24.7Zoom screen recording me. And it's like, if I ever use my. If I ever open up my banking account, if I ever log into something, they get access to basically every single thing. They had me share screen. Sorry. Oh, okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

Share screen.

[Sabrina Woo]

They had me share screen for whatever.

[Lacy Mosley]

Reason, to clone your computer, like, in front of your face.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And I fully just believed it. I was like, damn, I got to write a script about this. I'm a part of some international. Like. Like, there were so many layers to it that I couldn't believe, like, I mean, again, like, set design, costumes, like, multiple actors. And also, can I just say, I'm, like, really good at the gay mafia. I think I came in with a confidence that, like, I would know if, like, someone was scamming me, but I was, like, so duped. And the only reason it started to piece together, I might have been scammed was like, okay, you know what? I'm gonna talk to the one producer that I really trust on Murderbot, and I'll text her, being like, can we talk in person? And she thought I was coming to talk to her about, like, an HR thing. Like, someone said a slur to me. But then she came over, and as she was driving over, I, like, Googled a little bit of the scam, and it immediately came up, like, a Reddit thread that's like, don't trust. Like, when the Chinese government pretends to FaceTime audio. And also something about seeing what had happened written down. Written down in English. Once I had to say everything back to another white. Like, to a white woman in English. I was like, oh, my God, I'm an idiot. Like, because I had to say, like, listen. So I was FaceTime audioed by the US government. And then she burst out laughing and was like, this is a scam. But it took me, like, two hours to, like, deprogram and be like. Because I also called my partner on signal. I was like, bitch, get on signal. Like, something crazy is happening to me. And I was like, like, there is an international crime boss who stole my identity through the. The Chinese food grocery delivery app, and now he's scamming millions, like, out of, like, elderly. Like, out of millions of dollars. And he's a dangerous, like. Like, he's a part of, like, the black market. And, like, I have to be really careful, and we can't tell anyone, so that's why I'm calling you on signal. And then my, like, my partner at the time was just like, damn, that's crazy. Like, Like, I was just like, right? And so, like, yeah, I just fully was bought. And it took me, like, hours after talking to this white woman, bought my white woman boss to be like, hey, you fell for something really stupid.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay? But you did it all the way. Fall for it.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

You did the smart thing that we always say on this podcast, which is if something feels weird or sounds weird, say it to somebody else. Or, like, write it down. Like. Like you were saying, like, there's such a language barrier there. And when I speak Spanish, like, I do have to translate in my head sometimes because it's not my first language. So, like, yeah, Like, I could see how, like, through time and through them doing these slow steps. It started with FaceTime audio, then it became Zoom. Then it was like, all, you know, all the Mandarin in between. Like, this is what they do to try to confuse you so they can get you to the point where it seems rational and normal to give up your money. But you didn't give up your money. Like, you keep being, like, you're ashamed. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

[Sabrina Woo]

I did send them my passport, and I did send them my signature. Yeah, that's right. Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

But you know what? You can't do anything without a combination. You need the ID and you need the Social Security number, and your social isn't on your passport. So for that reason. So you have to have a certain combo to actually do fraud with this. So tons of people see your passport, and, you know, the airport takes pictures of it all the time. And who knows if TSA ever wanted to be like. Like, it's something people see. It's not that bad. Your job has your passport. Yeah, but they don't have. As long as they don't have your social.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, they don't have my social, and I. I froze all my, like, credit. Like, so you're good. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're gonna move on.

[Sabrina Woo]

I. I think so. What are they gonna do with my gay ass?

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, the one time being gay? Save someone.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. No, actually, we need to see more in scams, so I'm. I'm helping in that way.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. You know what? Representation matters. So we're gonna.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's what they meant by that. That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's what they meant. It's like, we need more of it in crime. We need more of it in tech.

[Sabrina Woo]

I just remembered another part of the story. Can I tell you, which is, like, the other reason I fell for it was that, like, my grandma was about to fly back to that part of the country, like, that part of China, and she kept saying weird texts to me, like, I have business to deal with. So that I was like. When I realized it was a scam, I was like. Like, oh, my God, I think my grandma's falling for the same one. And I called her being like, hey, like, there's not, like, some person pretending to be a mob boss and asking you for, like. Like. Cause it's a scam. And she was like, what? No. You fell for that.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're an idiot.

[Sabrina Woo]

And I was like, I just Yeah, I think. Cause, like, all the Chinese people in my life are, like, my family and people I care about. And it, like, never occurred to me. I think on a deep, like, visceral level. Like, I just didn't. It never occurred to me, like, Chinese people could be evil. And my grandma was like, of course they could be evil.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're fucking. We're fucking evil scams. What's poppin, congregation? Okay, I'm coming at y' all hot because we need to debunk some things about plan B. Emergency contraception, right now. Listen, Plan B is not an abortion pill. It's safe, effective backup birth control. You take after unprotected sex to prevent pregnancy before it starts. And are y' all ready for the inside tea? It works by temporarily delaying ovulation, and it will not impact your future fertility. Because some days, who knows, someday you might want a little unemployed person in your house. Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step. Use as directed. As summer winds down, it's time to refresh your wardrobe with staple pieces for the season ahead. Quince nails it with luxe essentials that feel effortless and look polished. Okay, I'm giving quiet luxury now, honey.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's a whisper.

[Lacy Mosley]

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[Sabrina Woo]

But eventually, you will. Endorse or condemn.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think endorse is too strong of a word legally, y'. All. Again, the abogado fund is getting a little low. We got to keep it up there, okay? Otherwise, I'm gonna have a bus bench attorney, which, you know what I'd take? I'd take if you got enough money for ads for the bus bench. You know, you must be winning some cases. But, yeah, I don't. I don't endorse any scams. Scams are bad. Don't break the law. Laws are good. Love laws over here. That was. That was convincing, right?

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, yeah. I got scared.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think about laws every day and how much I love them and following them.

[Sabrina Woo]

Damn. Lacey's such a cop. Oh, my God.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, we got a zoom call after this. Sabrina, I need you to hop on. I'm a victim. I'm a victim. Don't worry. It's just for one week. So. So today we're talking about a small town husband and wife who are schoolteachers. Jerry and Rita. This is them.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, wow. They. I can't tell if they're just, like, super white or from the past.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Is this the. From the past? Is this 70s? No, it looks like we're gonna be in the 2000s. Oh, okay. So they've gotten older, so. Okay, so you were showing us a photo. Jess was showing us a photo first of, like. Like what they probably show their grandkids. Like. Okay, they look like they were baddies back in the 60s. Yes. And so this. And so we have a photo of what they look like now. Okay, scanning. Really aged them.

[Sabrina Woo]

That is correct. And this. And the wife in this situation is wearing sunglasses that I can't tell, like, if she's wearing to be a baller or if she's gotten her eyes surgically removed.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. I was just about to say I can't tell if you just left from, like, a cataract surgery. That's right.

[Sabrina Woo]

Like, her eyes are dilated or something.

[Lacy Mosley]

Or you stop by a gas station and you pick those up. I can't.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's hard to tell.

[Lacy Mosley]

Are your pupils dilated?

[Sabrina Woo]

I can't tell if she's wearing pearls or a chain. Can you?

[Lacy Mosley]

I can't either. A chain and a turtleneck is diabolical. It's very The Rock.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes. She's looking like the Rock.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I accidentally did that once and a comedian was like, oh, you look like the Rock. And I was. I was like, my face just dropped. And she was like, oh, my bad. I was like, that was insulting.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, it's so embarrassing when people say that to you. Because I used to dress like the Rock all the time.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sometimes you gotta smell what the Rock is cooking. Okay. It's not fashion, but we still love him.

[Sabrina Woo]

She is wearing a heavy chain. We got the zoom in and.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. That's kind of like thuggish to me, though. Like, she. Yeah. Are those cribbing? Cribbing on cribbings?

[Sabrina Woo]

No, I'm glad you threw in the word thuggish. I was like, damn. There is something about even just the way she's smiling. Like, it's very.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's very. Yeah, Glo. Like, they. They look like they were doing crime. Like, I kind of love this for them.

[Sabrina Woo]

She looks gay to me, the way she's smiling.

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, sometimes you gotta be in a lavender relationship and wear your lavender.

[Sabrina Woo]

She's in a lavender relationship and she's literally a hey, mama lesbian.

[Lacy Mosley]

And we love it. We love it. So they turned out to be high profile art thieves hiding in plain sight. And they weren't found out until they died at the ripe old age of 81. I need a sound hair, Brendan. I need Jess. I need a Jamaican air horn because I love finding out about a scam. After they died, they got away with it. They kept quiet. They kept it cute. Look, they dress loud, but they keep it quiet. Okay, I'm into it.

[Sabrina Woo]

I can't believe they didn't catch this white lady. I mean, she really.

[Lacy Mosley]

She looks like every white woman I've ever seen. Like, Carol. Like, she's. Her face says Carol?

[Sabrina Woo]

No, no, her face does. But the way she dresses, I mean, it's loud.

[Lacy Mosley]

It is loud. And that chain is screaming at me.

[Sabrina Woo]

In the Instagram reel, you must simply show the listeners, like, this woman's face.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, we will. We will. I mean. Oh, God. They both dress real loud to be criminals, but we don't know where they live yet. So maybe they live in a place like Miami, where this would be quiet.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, true. Yeah. Rocking a turtleneck in Miami. Totally normal.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, but the colors. I lived in Miami for a year and I came back and my whole wardrobe looked like a highlighter. Like, yes, that was just normal. Okay? Lifesavers ain't have shit on me. I was in everything. Every color, every day.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, that's right. That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

So rest in Peace. Jerry and Rita alter. I hope y' all really are resting in peace. When Jerry, a retired music teacher, and Rita, a retired speech pathologist. Okay, SOP died in 20 and 2017, respectively, they left behind a unique collection of weird stuff they had piled up in their pink stucco ranch house in New Mexico. Okay, y' all are allowed from New Mexico. And this pink stucco ranch house is. Yeah, this is a loud home. I like it, though. I feel like they should have been living in Miami because everything about them right now is giving Miami. But they were like, no, we'll do it in New Mexico. This makes sense.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

So the yard was full of. Of abelusks. Am I saying that right? Yeah. Abelusks and busts of Shakespeare, French playwright Moliere and Beethoven, the composer. What's an obelisk?

[Sabrina Woo]

I know, I keep thinking of. I'm like, yum, sounds delicious. And from the sea, right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Is it what you count the thing on abacus?

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, yes, that's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

These are like four sided, like monuments, basically. So they had all of these obelisks and they had busks of Shakespeare. What the fuck is a busk of Shakespeare? Shakespeare. They stealing stuff I don't even know about.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, my God.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, okay. So they had. They had a moer. Statue. These are statues. They had statues, y'. All. So they had Beethoven, all these statues, right? And they look like, bronzed and they're sitting on these, like, these pedestals that are made out of rocks. And. And remember, this is New Mexico. So they don't really be having no, like, grass in their yard. So I guess they got to just stick these weird ass statues in ar for some acute mom. So the house contained lots of pictures of Jerry and Rita, plus a room full of African memorabilia, including tribal spears, 75 hideous paintings that Jared made himself. Jerry made himself. Now, why you gotta call him hideous? Okay, okay. The color scheme is kind of. I don't know, this feels like when they zoom in on, like a bacteria, you know what I mean?

[Sabrina Woo]

That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's somebody's DNA. Somebody with a disorder.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no. Yes, that's what it's giving me. Yeah. So he had these. Jerry made 75 hideous paintings, plus they had many eclectic pieces of art, including one abstract nude. Oh, an abstract nude. Is that where the triangles. What makes this nude abstract? I want to know. We may not have it, but I want to say, like the African memorabilia. You kind of. I'm clocking it there a little bit because. Why. Why are you stealing, like, African people stuff? So Dave that's right.

[Sabrina Woo]

Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Dave Van Aaker, co owner of the Manzita Ridge furniture and Antique store in Silver Lake, New Mexico, walked through the house and found the nude painting interesting. Even though it was in a horrible Walmart frame. Y' all really shading Jerry and Rita's, like, art skills. Like a horrible Walmart frame. Damn. Like, like a snob did this research. So he bought the whole estate from Rita's nephew Ron for $2,000 and carted everything back to his antique store. About 10 minutes after he put it on display at his store, a local artist who lived in a van identified the. Why? Why? We got to know they lived in a van. They could just be a local artist. Like, a local artist who lived in a van. Okay, listen. Van life is a thing. It's just a bunch of nippo babies who make living in your car look fabulous. Have you seen these?

[Sabrina Woo]

No, I've never.

[Lacy Mosley]

These people are always, like, independently wealthy, and they're like, I gave up my home to live on the road. Van life. They'll be living in sprinter vans, which are super expensive, but they're like, no, we're nomads. It's like, where did you get this nomad coin?

[Sabrina Woo]

I fully agree. I know those tiktoks.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, they're all rich kids who are tricking people with no money into thinking that they can live in a van like they do.

[Sabrina Woo]

Look, I'm just glad they're doing that instead of trying to be a screenwriter.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know what?

[Sabrina Woo]

Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.

[Lacy Mosley]

About 10 minutes after he put it on display to store, our Van Life artist came in, identified the abstract nude in a terrible frame as possibly being a mid century masterpiece by de Kooning, and offered to buy it for $200,000. Again, kicking it back to van life immediately. We thought van life. At least I thought Van life meant that they were like, you know, a starving artist. No, this man is living in a tricked out prop motor home because you just. $200,000. Also, what kind of haggler are you? I have never seen somebody see something on display. And you say the frame is so nasty. The nastiest frame you ever did see. I'm gonna come and be like, oh, that nasty ass picture. Like, I'll take it for $5. Well, I'm not gonna pay you what it's really worth.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, you're right, actually. Like, what was on the tag? Like, I'm sure It was like, 10 bucks. Like, what? Damn. Wait, do you feel like this guy was in on it?

[Lacy Mosley]

I wonder. I've just never seen somebody go into a store and offer something that doesn't seem to be the price. But, okay, so Dave googled the painting and saw that it had been missing for 30 years and was worth more than a hundred million dollars. Okay, so that's why he started at 200,000. See, that's why you can't show your hand. That's why you can't show your hand and say, 200,000. Like, I would have been like, oh, this is this ugly. But my grandma like it. She's blind. Here's $6. And then I'm running up out that store, I'm getting in my van, like, and I'm scam. I'm scamming all the way home. What do you mean? Why would you tell him what you think it's worth? I mean, damn, I feel bad for Van man now because I'm impressed that.

[Sabrina Woo]

He could figure it out.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, well, so remember, Dave Van Aker was the one who bought all this stuff. And then he was the one who had it on display. And then Van man slid and was like, oh, I'll give it to you for 200k. And then Dave smartly googled and was like, and this is Dave. He looks very eccentric. He looks. He looks like he's fun at parties. You know what I mean? Like, he looks like he would go on vacation with what I'm assuming is his wife next to him. But then he would find all the black people and be like, singing Happy Birthday with them.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I thought he seemed like the world's most fun cop, if that's possible.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's a little drunk sometimes on the job, but, boy, do we love him.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, he comes and he's like, I got donuts.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's his piece.

[Sabrina Woo]

He's fun.

[Lacy Mosley]

But I also, yeah, I do see him on vacation, finding all the lit young people and then just being in the middle of a circle in, like a swim up. Like, this is very his energy. And I love that for him and for me. So Dave, once he googled it and realized it was worth probably $100 million, he drove it to the house he shared with his life partner, Buck, and got guns out of state to protect it.

[Sabrina Woo]

Wait, so who. Okay, Dave was in the van.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm sorry. And got guns out of the safe to protect it.

[Sabrina Woo]

I see.

[Lacy Mosley]

So. So no, Dave. Remember when Jerry and Rita died, Dave went to their house and he was like, ooh, nasty art that Jerry made. Ooh, this, this and that. He was like, but you Know what? I'll take these few pieces of art and. And he bought everything from their, like, estate sale for $2,000. Then he took it back to his shop. I see. And that's when Van man slid and was like, wait a minute, let me get that for 200k. And then Dave was like, oh, yeah, bet. One second. Google, Google, Google. All right, Lock the doors. Like, we gotta protect this.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, thank you for running it back. Cause I was like, there are a lot of players.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, it's a lot of players.

[Sabrina Woo]

I see.

[Lacy Mosley]

But we're gonna whittle down. Now we're back to Dave, who was the one who got the stuff from Rita and Jerry's house. So here's a little known, like, some. Some facts about the de Kooning hype. So William de Kooning stowed away to arrive in America from the Netherlands in 1926. He became a huge success in the 50s New York art scene, first with black and white abstract paintings, and then in 1953 with the Six Big Women Art Show. So this is de Kooning. He looks very Netherlands. He's giving Dutch love that for him. He also has the hairstyle of like a Bond villain, you know?

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, he's sexy.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's kind of hot.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I could definitely see him tearing it up in the art scene. His face is a little hot.

[Sabrina Woo]

How do I get an abstract nude of this guy?

[Lacy Mosley]

So this is one of his abstract nudes. Oh, my God. Obviously I was right.

[Sabrina Woo]

Triangle titty.

[Lacy Mosley]

Triangle titty.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's the only way to go. Yes. So he's really popular.

[Sabrina Woo]

Damn, girl, you got some nice isosceles going on.

[Lacy Mosley]

Whoa. Sure would run a protractor across those side angles.

[Sabrina Woo]

Side. Okay. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Side, angle. Side, side. It's crazy. So a few years after William completed it, a wealthy collector bought the painting and donated it to the University of Arizona Museum of Art in Tucson, where he liked to vacation with the stipulation that the museum could never sell it. So de Koon gave it to them and was like, but you can never sell this. Like, I want this art to be hanging here long after I'm dead. And what NAS. So when it was stolen in 1985, it became one of Tucson's biggest unsolved crimes for more than 30 years. So this has been gone for 30 years, and nobody knew where it was in 1985, it was the day after Thanksgiving, a slow day in the sleepy Southwest, and the museum's director happened to be out of town at a conference on museum security. So While the director of the museum is on the. He's at a conference for museum security. His museum is not secure.

[Sabrina Woo]

Damn.

[Lacy Mosley]

He should have went to that conference earlier because clearly he needed it. He needed it real bad. So suspects who looked a lot like Rita and Jerry. Like, this man in the fake mustache. And they're both wearing winter coats, which is very unusual for Tucson because they don't really have winter like this. That, and I love that they put on a fake mustache and, like, fake, like. Come on, costumes. We're back to costumes. Sabrina, I know you love a costume.

[Sabrina Woo]

The commitment. I mean, you just gotta appreciate that. True. Damn. These people are obsessed with wearing, like, heavy winter clothes in hot areas.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, yeah, that would make you stick out. Yo, you're right, cuz.

[Sabrina Woo]

The turtleneck.

[Lacy Mosley]

Rita was in that turtleneck. Yeah. Y' all are in Tucson, Arizona. I need y' all to be serious. They don't have no sweat stains either.

[Sabrina Woo]

So I bet they just have, like, crazy tattoos. It actually has nothing to do with, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

I could see that being a whole different side if they took off. Like, I could see Rita having, like, a chess piece, you know, something spicy. So Rita distracted a security guard with questions while Jerry went to the second floor and cut the 30 by 40 inch painting out of the frame using a box cutter and rolled it up under his coat. They walked out of the museum 10 minutes later, which is what made the security guard suspicious. He was like, y' all came in here in these hot ass coats, and you were chatting me up about nothing. And then y'.

[Sabrina Woo]

All.

[Lacy Mosley]

Then your man leaves and comes back and now his coat. That's why they need the heavy coat. Cause they had to stick the painting under it.

[Sabrina Woo]

I was like, what kind of Ocean's Eleven thing are these people running? They're just walking in and grabbing it. Like, they're just shoplifting. Like, it's like a Target or a Sephora.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. This is like putting a little Smucker's lip gloss in your, you know, pocket.

[Sabrina Woo]

Damn. Don't you miss? Before, we lived in a surveillance state. You can't be doing this anymore.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, man. You really can't. And for those of you who might steal from big box stores, I just want you to know that sometimes you're not getting away with it. Sometimes if you keep hitting the same joint, they're actually just amassing, like, surveillance footage on you so that they can, like, slap you with a bigger, like, charge when they decide to get your ass. So, you know, I don't know. Switch it up.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. You're not Jerry. You're not Rita. You're not fooling anybody.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, do something. Do a little bit here, bit there. Go to different box stores and steal. But maybe not the same one, because they might already know about you. So when the theft was discovered, local police involved the FBI and Interpol. Most big art heists end up crossing international borders. So Interpol gets involved automatically. So they're going after these people like this is the FaceTime call that they were getting from the government because they were fucking up. So nobody got the getaway car's license plate. There was no video camera and no fingerprints detected. Okay, museum director, I gotta go back to you, sir. Cause was your only security that one guard who's a yapper? Was that it? Okay. Damn. I see why you need to go to the damn conference. You just got the paintings hanging out all willy nilly. No security cameras, one guard who likes to chat. This is a recipe for getting your shit stolen. Yes, the painting never hit the black market. One psychic called in with a tip that didn't pan out. And after all that, investigators had no luck. Leads robbery. Okay, congregation, if you're interested in crimes that aren't just cons and fraud, then you've got to hear the Crime Junkie podcast. I know true crime is hot, hot, hot. And there's a new documentary dropping every 30 seconds on every platform. On Crime Junkie. Podcast host Ashley Flowers covers everything from the high profile cases you're seeing drop on the streamers. Two following cases you will not hear talked about anywhere. Ashley is the queen of true crime. And y' all know I'm the goddess of true con. So you know that all these stories are about to be fire. Okay? And they hook you in the first minute. These stories are wild. I love listening to stuff that I'm not gonna see on television. Or even just getting the whole story with new fun details. Not fun, but new details that I may not have known before. There are hundreds of episodes of Crime Junkie already waiting for you. And new cases are covered every Monday. So listen to Crime Junkie wherever. Wherever you're listening. You know what doesn't belong in your epic summer plans? Getting burned by your old wireless bill. While you're planning beach trips, barbecues, and three day weekends, your wireless bills should be the last thing holding you back. That's why you need to make the switch to Mint Mobile. With Mint, you can get coverage the speed that you're used to, but for way less money. And for a limited time, Mint mobile is offering three months of unlimited premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month. So while your friends are sweating over data overages and surprise charges, you'll be chilling. I have so many producers and friends who have Mint Mobile, and their data coverage is strong as bleep. They can reach me at any time, any place. They be in Joshua Tree hitting me up, and I'm like, mint Mobile got the reach out there. Like, this is crazy. This year, skip breaking a sweat and breaking the bank. Get this new customer offer and your three month unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.com goddess that's mint mobile.com goddess upfront payment of $45 required, equivalent to $15 a month limited time. New customer offer for first three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Taxes and fees extra. See Mint Mobile for details and Frau. So they just stole this painting, it seems like, because they liked it. They really just loved art and wanted to. I kind of like this more because it was like they wanted to appreciate the. They made a museum in their own house.

[Sabrina Woo]

I know, but I. I feel like this story would be more noble if they, like, opened it up to other people.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, technically, when they died, they did.

[Sabrina Woo]

Okay. Yeah. Actually, I really look up to Jerry and Rita.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right? They just loved art. So they closed the case in 1987. So after two years of trying, but it stayed on the FBA, the FBI's top 10 crime list. So they were just like, I don't know. I love that the FBI makes a list. Like, they're Forbes and they're like, hey, these are the crimes that we couldn't figure out. Like, if anybody wants to just chip in. Except this is not my job. That's your job. Like, what do you mean? So our. Our triangle lady painting is now valued at $160 million. And it was hanging behind Jerry and Rita's bedroom door for over 32 years, just behind their bedroom.

[Sabrina Woo]

So that wasn't even like, their favorite piece.

[Lacy Mosley]

Right. Cause behind your bedroom door means you can't see it when the door is open.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

And you swinging the door all the time, jostling the painting around.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's why I was in the cheap Walmart frame. It's already. They've actually broken the frame multiple times from just opening and closing the door.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's what it is. They get into a fight. Somebody slammed the door, and they're like, fuck the Conan.

[Sabrina Woo]

Do you think. Do you think they brought it back? And then when they got home, they're like, you know, I thought I liked this. It looked so good there. But now that we're home, it.

[Lacy Mosley]

This doesn't match anything matching with all of our other terrible art.

[Sabrina Woo]

I know. Like, yeah, it's just, like, this isn't matching with all the African stuff that we rightfully should have.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, we just got this from the Zulu tribe, and the colors just don't.

[Sabrina Woo]

The Dutch and the Zulu.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, they don't go together. So they never got officially fingered. The FBI case opened in 1985 and has never officially been closed, even though overwhelming evidence indicates that the robbers were Jerry and Rita. Yeah, we got. Got these sketches in front of us. It was found in their house. They just cut it out the wall. Cutting out art out the wall is crazy. Like, why would you do this? So they were just retired teachers, right. But they. They taught. They had children.

[Sabrina Woo]

Like, what they mentored.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. One of them was a speech pathologist. Rita. So that's how you help kids with, like, eating, speaking, and all that.

[Sabrina Woo]

I lost track. There's a lot of players.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And then Jerry was a teacher.

[Sabrina Woo]

Oh, my God. You know what? This actually isn't. I had a substitute teacher we all loved who got arrested for having stolen shrunken heads. So this actually lines up with the educators of America that I know.

[Lacy Mosley]

Stolen shrunken heads is also wild. Like, what did you need those for?

[Sabrina Woo]

It was part of his culture. He's from Panama. He's from, like, Central America.

[Lacy Mosley]

So that mean he get to steal them? I think so.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, yeah. I mean, that's why I have. Sorry. Sorry. No, yeah, I mean, that's why I.

[Lacy Mosley]

Have all these scrolls.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you deserve those.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, that's right. You deserve those.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're just going back to where they belong.

[Sabrina Woo]

My house in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So they were retired teachers. Right. But they left behind an estate of $2 million in cash, and they made no will. Now, why didn't y' all make a will at 81? Y' all could have gotten this donated. We could have. Y' all got no grandchildren that you like or nothing. I could have been y' all grandchild, but.

[Sabrina Woo]

But, no, you probably couldn't have. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

If you don't have a will out there and you got some coin, go ahead and just write my name in. Okay. Bless me. Bless me. Yes.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. If you're. If you're a single couple, like, y' all don't got no kids or nothing, or your kids have bad vibes, your kids don't got no Riz and you hate them. Put me in the wheel. Look.

[Sabrina Woo]

Look how hard Lacey works.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I work as hard as what you would want your kid to work. So just write a little clause.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes, write a little clause.

[Lacy Mosley]

I want a year of just going to probate, just fighting everyone. They're like, they never even knew her. And her name is scam Goddess. No, no, no, no, no. I definitely knew them. We talked every week on Tuesdays. So you don't even understand.

[Sabrina Woo]

There is going to be an angry, entitled white child that kills you. You know that, right? Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

They will do the murder, too. They will.

[Sabrina Woo]

Jesse producer is shaking her head, not even laughing.

[Lacy Mosley]

Not even laughing.

[Sabrina Woo]

Just sort of like. That is 100% correct.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yep, yep. I'm like, is it worth it? Let me work it. So they had made no will. They were just jet setting travelers who had visited 140 countries, according to Jerry and Rita were adrenaline junkies who loved to fly to one country and then pay smugglers to get them to another. So they were smuggling themselves when they were traveling to these 140 countries. They're places they're not even supposed to be. I feel like they was kicking it in North Korea with Kim Jong. Like, they just getting smuggled in everywhere.

[Sabrina Woo]

You know they're having the best sex ever right between a couple.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[Sabrina Woo]

Like, they are literally probably, like, in love.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, yeah. Like, look at them. They look so in love in their little young people photo back when they were doing their heist. Oh, my God. They were probably banging so hard.

[Sabrina Woo]

Hard.

[Lacy Mosley]

After they stole that piece of art.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my God.

[Sabrina Woo]

You know what? That's why they weren't. They weren't doing it for the money. They were doing it for the crazy sex. They're doing it for, like, just the thrill of each other's body.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, how do you think you stay married this long? You have to commit crime together. Yes.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes, that's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, you're so right. I just see them, like, hopping in the car. They're speeding away. They get back and they have the craziest sex. And then they're both just smoking a cigarette in bed. Like, oh, my God.

[Sabrina Woo]

And their post nut clarity is just being like, you know what? This painting's not even that good. Put it out behind the door.

[Lacy Mosley]

They put it in a cheap frame and just hung it behind the door. They're like, ugh. Not even really worth it, but worth it. And then when they're getting smuggled, they're all hot and bothered. I love this when they're traveling. So Jerry had self published two books of poetry and a collection of short stories a year before he died. The stories include tales of art heists and some successful, some not, including one that had similarities to the de Kooning thrift. So there were some art heists that didn't work. So in a story called the eye of the Jaguar. Now sir, you said the eye of the tire hold my beard. The eye of the Jaguar. Which some New Mexico neighbors believed is a coded rewriting of the Deing theft. There's like a middle aged grandmother and her 14 year old granddaughter who steal a priceless emerald from a museum case using o. Using only a special Allen wrench. Not y' all using the IKEA tools. So let me hold on to this after we make our deforfensturf and do a heist. Okay, so he ends the story by describing how the stolen emerald was later kept in a hidden display case, apparently in the grandmother's home several miles from the place that it ever transpired. Sound familiar?

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, sounds just like Jerry and Rita. Minus the part where they have crazy afterwards.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, no, the grandmother and granddaughter don't have. Who crazy.

[Sabrina Woo]

Now that would be hot.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh my God, I love. Gross. So you're killing me. Sorry. So no, I love it. There's also tales of revenge. One against barking dogs, which the main character kills with poison. Another against non responsive literary agents who gets shot with a tranquilizer dart, kidnapped and then tied half naked to a toilet until she edits every page of his manuscript while. Wow, that sounds like you have some real anger towards whoever this literary agent was who didn't want to buy your trash ass books. Cuz like why you gotta kidnap her, tranquilize her, kidnap her and then tie her half naked to a toilet. You really hate that lady.

[Sabrina Woo]

Well, at least he had the decency to tranquilize her.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I guess. But it's like. But. But he didn't kill her. She just had to edit every page of his manuscript. Oh my God. Feels worse.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

Also sounds like Misery, the movie. Did you just watch Misery and like do Misery to like, but with the woman?

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Please, please, sir. So in real life, Jerry never got a literary agent or a gallery for his paintings. And maybe he resented that enough to steal the famous painting in more than one. So that makes sense because remember he has 75 ugly ass paintings just sitting in that room. He was trying to get this in a gallery. Like he thought this was some gallery type shit. I'll give him this one. I could definitely see that in an art gallery. Especially in Tucson. Like, what kind of like.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, I mean, art is a scam. Like, you know, like, I think, you know, he's in New Mexico. I don't think he knows the right people. Like, he's not in the scene. Like, he's right to be. Like, this is not a meritocracy.

[Lacy Mosley]

True.

[Sabrina Woo]

It feels like you have to tie a woman to a toilet.

[Lacy Mosley]

I. I don't think. I feel like that's extreme. You know, the kidnapping of it all. But I can understand why he was mad about the art scene, but at the same time, his pains were ass. So what are we supposed to do, sir? Some things aren't just not for you. So, Lou Shacter. We were adding in another person, Sabrina, but this is where we're gonna. It's gonna tighten up.

[Sabrina Woo]

How many white people are you gonna shove into my brain?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. I'm so sorry. It's a day of the white people. You've heard of the Day of the Dead? This is a day of the white people.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry.

[Lacy Mosley]

So Lou Schacter is a true crime fan who drives around the US In a convertible looking for interesting cases to solve. Sounds a little bit like me. Decided to. He decided to investigate if any of the other strange paintings sold to thrift shops in the estate. Estate. That was for Rita and Jerry. Right. So he actually found two more paintings that went to thrift shops. The paintings, Indian in a War Bonnet by Jhope Sharp and then Fall Landscape by Victor Higgins.

[Sabrina Woo]

Okay, these are actually amazing. I am seeing how Jerry's paintings are a little bit lacking.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, Jerry, at least you can hang art up on your wall and put. Oh, yeah, no, we just saw Jerry's painting again. Oh, and these. Yeah, they're bad. Oh, but look, you can see Indian War Bonnet up on Jerry's wall. So they were auctioned. An Indian War Bonnet actually went for $50,000. And Fall Landscape by Victor Higgins went for $90,000. $93,600. So they just had millions of dollars worth of art just hanging in their house where nobody else could enjoy it. But at the same time, I'm like, the museum charges you to go see it there? Like, who? I don't know. They were art lovers. What am I. What. How do you feel?

[Sabrina Woo]

I'm feeling like they're. I think there are haters. Like, I. It feels almost like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, ooh, that's a good take.

[Sabrina Woo]

Or they're like. They're like art world haters. Like, it feels like they're, like, so bitter and like, they also Seem kinky as hell to me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Sabrina Woo]

But, like. Yeah, kinky and bitter.

[Lacy Mosley]

What a combo. No, I think you might be onto something, Sabrina. I might have to side with you.

[Sabrina Woo]

But it feels like they're taking stuff. They're not even, like, really treating it with that much respect. And they. They feel like the kinds of people who are, like, on, like, the kinds of people on TikTok, like, who are writing, like, not funny on, like, other.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[Sabrina Woo]

Like, John Mulaney. Love a bit. And they'll be like, who even is this guy? I'm like, it's John Mulaney. Like, what are you talking. You know, and, like, it feels like they're putting on their wall to be like, you know, just given that he's also painting 75 paintings and, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And wanted to be a part of the art world, wanted to be a part of the literary world. It seems like somebody like a artist who wasn't good enough but then just became bitter because no one liked their art. Because you're so right. There's something to the way that they treated the paintings, like you said, and also the fact that they never tried to sell these really expensive paintings. It's almost like they just had them hanging up so they could look at them like. Like, y' all can't ever see this again.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes. And, like, punishing people who are, like, blowing up, too. Like, William de Kooning, like, was having a moment, and then they stole this amazing painting from him, and then they treated it like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah, like. Like hating on specific painters as well. So he probably was a fan. Jerry was probably a fan of. Of these people and jealous of them, so he stole what they made.

[Sabrina Woo]

Do you like my theory? I'm. I'm.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love your theory. No, I'm fully on board. I think you're right. Because otherwise, why have this really expensive art and never try to offload it? Now, it would be very difficult to do when the painting was hot because people are going to be looking for it, but now, like, a mobster would certainly take this painting off your hands and pay you for it, but instead, they treated him like. And like, hanging it behind a door is really shady.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think you're really. Serena. I think you're.

[Sabrina Woo]

At least for some of them, I feel like. Yeah, they're just kind of just like.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you're spot on. That's exactly what it is. We had an art hater on our. Our hands. That's all it was.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's not worth that much. Like, I'll just Take it. And this artist will never make money off of it.

[Lacy Mosley]

And, yeah, he was an art hater. He was an art hater. A good art hater. Because they stole three arts that were really expensive. Yes. I just called them arts. They were paintings. Yeah. I. You kind of made me look at this scam now, and I. I don't know if I appreciate Jerry as much because I was on Jerry's side, but now it kind of seems like Jerry was a hater. But Jerry was also a fun hater. Did a lot of traveling, stayed with his wife, loved his wife. He was a wife guy.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah. An art hater, but an amazing lover.

[Lacy Mosley]

Literally, it. Literally. I feel like that to that day, they were still.

[Sabrina Woo]

Look at them.

[Lacy Mosley]

They're so still banging. And I love that for them.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, that's actually. She need. No, I'm like. Yeah. After what they did, she did need to get cataract surgery. Yeah. They did some crazy. And now her eyes are. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, when you see the things that she's seen.

[Sabrina Woo]

That's right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Eventually you're gonna have to get some of them thick ass, big glasses. Oh, my goodness. All right, well, that brings us to the last segment of the show. Sabrina, Before I have to let Sabrina go. It's just scammer of the week. Just a short little look. We brought Scammer of the week back, y', all, for this week. Making my own hair horns. Now, that one was not good. But Scammer of the week is where we honor Charlotte, who may or may not be worthy of our praise. We'll see. So now you can erase all of those people that we just talked about in the hoodwink.

[Sabrina Woo]

Thank God.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like I needed a murder board.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yes.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like, with string. So it could be like, this guy's the.

[Sabrina Woo]

Then there's Dave, Jerry, Rita. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You did well. You did well. We kept it together. So scammer of the week, ironically named Irina Green, was arrested following an escalating battle with her homeowners association over letting her lawn become less green than usual. So Irina Green had a lawn that wasn't so green.

[Sabrina Woo]

Say that.

[Lacy Mosley]

And. And I do want to let y' all know that the HOA is a bitch. You really. If you are looking to buy a home, you should see if there's HOA in your neighborhood, because. And you should see how strict they are, because some HOAs are just people who are meddling, don't have shit else to do. So if you leave your trash can on the curb for an hour longer than it's supposed to be. You'll have a fine if you. They'll nickel and dime you, and they can even nickel and dime you up to a certain point where they can take your home. Because some HOAs are owned by private equity companies, and so they're looking to make a bag. It's. It's really wild.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's a scam.

[Lacy Mosley]

The HOA is a scam. So Irena's lawn was looking ashy and the HOA was like, no, miss girl. So she has a home in Riverview, Florida's Creek View subdivision. According to HOA rules, her grass needs to be green. But Irena says last year's drought and watering restrictions, plus a big tree next to her sidewalk made the grass brown. So this is her grass. Oh, no, no. They black. Irina. Irina, they trying to take your house from you, girl. That's all that is. And the green. Okay, so the lawn isn't super green, but it's not. Not green.

[Sabrina Woo]

No, it just looks like something's up with the dirt.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it's a little patchy because you can see the house next door is like a bright green. And then Irina's lawn is green up until a certain point where it gets a little patchy and. Yeah, and then the green is not that green. Okay, Irene, I want to be on your side because, you know, we're black and we're in this together culturally, but your lawn does kind of make the neighborhood not look as nice. It's giving. It's giving. A little trap. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But Irina, who is a fellow dark skinned girly, says that there are other yards with brown grass in the subdivision, but for some reason, she's the only one who's gone to jail for it.

[Sabrina Woo]

What?

[Lacy Mosley]

Jail? Jail?

[Sabrina Woo]

I'm in shock.

[Lacy Mosley]

You mean a place with the cuffs and the bars? Jail. Oh, okay. Back on your side. Arena. They. They trying to. I see what they trying to do to you. Queen. So first she receives notices from the HOA management company, the Trowbridge company incorporated, about, see a private company about the brown grass. Then another about a dent in her garage and a dirty mailbox. And for parking in a commercial cargo van, which is not uncommon in her Dr. Driveway. So they really were. And look at her mailbox. It looks great.

[Sabrina Woo]

It's literally white. It's. It's hurting my eyes to look at. Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

This is them trying to get a black person out of the neighborhood for sure. Like they coming for anything. So Irina failed to respond to a request for Mediation, and the HOA filed a lawsuit against her in the county civil court. The HOA said she violated the community appearance rules and demanded that she correct the violations. Irina represented herself in court, preparing a handwritten response to the lawsuit. She. That was rejected by both the HOA and the judge. So the Judge gave her 30 days to correct her appearance violations. Irina said she sold her van, cleaned her mailbox, and bought seeds and watered the grass to comply. But she missed her next court date because she never received the summons. Someone went in her mailbox and got that damn summons. This look like the kind of mailbox you steal people's mail from? So she never got the summons. The judge held her in contempt of court and issued an arrest warrant requested by the HOA's attorney. Arrest is crazy. Arrest is insane.

[Sabrina Woo]

I mean, yeah, I agree. It's insane for my lawn not being green enough.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, everybody needs, like, hands put on them. Like, I. I'm sorry. At this point, you got to just go to your neighborhood HOA meeting with a bat and. And really just start fucking shit up. Because ain't no way in hell y' all put me in jail. Now I have a record because of some girls. Oh, no. Your ass is grass, too. Like, where you at, queen? Cause if you need us to slide, I mean, we might have to have a barbecue. Not an angry mob. Don't bring a pitchfork. Don't bring torches and matches and stuff, but just, you know, barbecue stuff. And then we all meet, you know, at maybe dusk, you know, everybody. It might get a little chilly out, so y' all bring out shiestys to keep your face more warm, and we're gonna have a barbecue. Kiss the fuck no. So Irina was pulled over on the way home from picking up her daughter at cheerleading practice, and that's when they put her in the clink, and she spent seven days in jail. Imagine getting arrested in front of your daughter. I would sue all of these people. This needs to be national news. Like, you need to sue the HOA company for distress, emotional distress. Like, you should be able to bankrupt them, arena, because they are tripping. They are tripping like, my grass isn't green enough. So now I have to go to prison.

[Sabrina Woo]

I know it. What I feel like is just, like, one of their neighbors, like, let their dog pee everywhere, and now the grass is dead. Like, I really. It's really. That's insane.

[Lacy Mosley]

Hell, for all we know, when Irina at work, they over there putting salt in her because, you know, they trying to get her black ass up out of there. That's all this is. I would not be shocked if somebody was just like, Arena. As soon as her car pulls away, they walk over to her driveway, and then they hit it with some. With the. The girl with the umbrella, and they just pouring it everywhere. This feels like sabotage.

[Sabrina Woo]

Seriously. Justice for Irina.

[Lacy Mosley]

Justice for Irina. Cause, like, even the grass is bleeding over this greener. It does bleed into her lawn. And then there's, like, almost an abrupt stop at the housing line of where the grass starts to get patchy. You telling me that you can water your lawn to the exact microscopic point of your land that has no fence in between. Between being green? Somebody was over there fucking with that grass. It's like she go to work and then. Or she go on vacation, and then the whole neighborhood go over there and stomp it. Like, they have. They stomping divots at the Kentucky Derby. That's what they doing. They having parties. They having their own barbecue where they go fuck up your line. That's what's happening.

[Sabrina Woo]

They're taking, like, practice swings with their golf club over there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, for sure. Lighting small fires and stomping them out. We know what you're doing, because this line looks aggressively, like somebody on purpose was trying to find. Yeah. No. Arena, I am so sorry that you went to jail, but we are gonna have to get you some justice. This is Florida, and if anywhere, you know, white people could put your black ass in jail for not having the greenest lawn, it certainly is Florida. Okay? Ain't no justice over there. The NAACP issued a national warning, like, it's not safe for black people to be in Florida. So, you know, it might be time to move, sis. But sue them first. Okay? Show up to court, in and out. And bring grass. Bring grass with you.

[Sabrina Woo]

Bring a sample. Yeah. From your lawn.

[Lacy Mosley]

Exhibit. A sample of my grass. Like, but that's. What do you think about that?

[Sabrina Woo]

Is there even, like, a debate? It's just, like, why would you ever put a woman in jail for having, like, a weird lawn? Like, can't people have ADHD anymore? Like, what the hell?

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I don't think we can. I don't think we can. It'll Dingle is in prison, and I have adhd, so I don't want the cell block waiting for me. See, but y', all, you really do have to watch out. Like, if you're buying property, like, make sure that your HOA is not privately owned or look into the history like, that they have, because, you know, you don't wanna move into a place where they're gonna try to put you in jail. I thought they were gonna try to steal her home. They said no. If we just lock her up long enough, she'll miss mortgage payments, and then we'll get the home, and we'll get to put a black person in jail. That's a twofer.

[Sabrina Woo]

I really. This makes me like Jerry and Rita so much more. And what they were up to.

[Lacy Mosley]

Jerry and Rita, y'.

[Sabrina Woo]

All.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know what? The artist had already put the art in a museum, so it's not like the artist was going to see it every day anyway. I mean, obviously, the fans of the artist won't see it, but the pain is also on the Internet. They hate Internets. Everybody's fine.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, the Dutch are fine.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, the Dutch are plenty fine. Yeah. No, everybody's doing great. So we. We're back on your side now that we've seen someone less savory than you, Jared, because at least you didn't put no people in jail. Okay.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Nobody cared about your lawn. It's all good. His lawn was with rocks in it. So Jerry would have never did this to you.

[Sabrina Woo]

No. Jerry would have sought justice for you, Irina.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, he would have never.

[Sabrina Woo]

He would have never. Jerry would have tied that HOA to a fucking toilet.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And HOA would have to read his manuscript, but then he.

[Sabrina Woo]

And they would shoot themselves then and there.

[Lacy Mosley]

He doesn't even have to do it. It's a part of the plan. Oh, my goodness. Sabrina, thank you so much for being here.

[Sabrina Woo]

Thanks for having me. Thanks for letting me be a little K. Oh, no, I love it.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love it. Thank you for staying strong through all of those names. You killed it. We always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Anything you want people to see. Social media, all of those things.

[Sabrina Woo]

Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram at a Sabrina Woo. Or all my socials. And, you know, I hope you watch Dying for Sex. I'm so proud of that show. And Murder Bot on Apple tv. And Stream Joyride, I guess.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Sabrina Woo]

All right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I love it. And congregation, you can see all the fans. Fantastic photos that we were gazing upon today at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. You can talk to me on Twitter at Scam Goddess Pod. And you can follow me in my shenanigans at D I V, A L A C I Divalacy on all platforms. Don't forget to, like, subscribe. Give it a star. Have your baby Listen to it again in another room. Review, Write a little nice something for a black lady today. Okay. Especially because we, we just heard about arena. Like the black girls need help. Yes, we love it. We love it all. And then you can catch my book scam. Goddam. Wherever you buy your audiobooks and wherever bookstores are near you. I cannot be specific because the book world, they be beefing, but it's out there. It's very much out there. And then watch all the episodes of Scam Goddess. They're all streaming now on Hulu. You can watch the first season of Going dead, streaming now on Hulu. And I am back in Ireland shooting season two. Yes. We're gonna have a good crack. Yep. And congregation, I want you to get out there. I want you to get out there and day heisting. Yeah. Take a little vacation afterwards. Have some spicy love making. That is not endorsed by me. Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

[Sabrina Woo]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Sabrina Woo]

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