
Misha Brown (from Wondery’s The Big Flop) joins Laci to dive into YOUR scams, CON-gregation! It's your moment to shine. Laci and Misha read letters about a Dayton hair salon doubling as a hotspot for selling boosted clothes, a puzzling college loan collection email, a survey scam promising a three-year Netflix subscription, and a Dr. Phil-worthy pregnancy hoax packed with drama and haters. Stay schemin'! CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Misha Brown: @yourbestiemisha Letters by YOU
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Lacey Mosley
Don't miss Good American Family. We have a little girl here for adoption.
Misha Brown
She has dwarfism.
Lacey Mosley
Starring Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass.
Misha Brown
Something is off.
Lacey Mosley
She's just a little girl. You think she's faking?
Misha Brown
She has adult teeth. There are signs of puberty.
Lacey Mosley
Inspired by the shocking stories that tore a family apart. I don't know what's going on.
Misha Brown
How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
Lacey Mosley
The Hulu original series Good American Family premieres March 19th. Streaming on Hulu. Great brands, great prices. Everyone's got a reason to rack because they have framed jeans.
Misha Brown
Nike, yes.
Lacey Mosley
Just so many good brands. Vince, Kurt, Geiger, London, Rag and Bone and more are at Nordstrom Rack stores now. You never know what you'll find, but.
Misha Brown
You know it's going to be so good.
Lacey Mosley
Great brands, great prices.
Misha Brown
That's why you rack scams.
Lacey Mosley
Cabaret fraud scam, car robbery and fraud scam. God is was popping. Congregation Today we have a multi talented king on the show. A singer, actor and fellow theater lover. Like moi, he has over 4.3 million followers across multiple platforms. And there's definitely a reason why for that. If you have not gotten into this content yet, you are playing. If you haven't guessed by yet, I'm talking about Misha Brown and he's the host of the podcast on Wondery called the Big Flop, which I have been on a few times. I love that show so much. And if you're not getting into the big flop, then you're missing out on all of pop culture's biggest flim flams and fails and a lot of good laughs. But yes, so get into the Big Flop. A pot on all the scandals and fiascos from your favorite failed attempts. Congregation, please welcome my homie and influencer sweet Misha Brown to the show. Hi, Misha. Yay.
Misha Brown
Oh my gosh, I love you. I love that you said flim flam.
Lacey Mosley
It just flew out and I was like, wait, there is something scripted here from his people. And I'm just like going off about how much I love you. I follow you on all social platforms. I love your videos and I think, I just think you're such a delight. So same and not in that Internet hatery way, which I have grown to be so tired of. Like everyone's got to think peace over every little thing now. And I'm like, shut up.
Misha Brown
I know things are going on in the world, but we also still have to like have fun, you know? Remember when social media Was fun.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. And I understand, like, that, you know, we're talking about real things happening in our government. You know, we're down bad over here in America. Aren't you originally from Canada?
Misha Brown
No, no, from New York. Close. Right across the border.
Lacey Mosley
Did I make that up? You're just so nice. It can't be from here. We don't make them this nice anymore. No, but like, anything that has to do with, like, real world global issues, I. The think pieces going back to the history. But sometimes it's like, are we really going to dissect the NORA like this? Like, come on, y'all grow up.
Misha Brown
I know, I know.
Lacey Mosley
Y'all talking about cartoon Shrek. Y'all in real fights about cartoon Shrek.
Misha Brown
Who were those people, though? I saw that ad and I said, who. Who is that? That's not the Shrek and Donkey I know.
Lacey Mosley
Okay, but the. The technology has advanced. But. But you know what? We don't need everything in hd. And I think that's what the thing that we haven't realized as a society yet. It's like, I don't need to see my newscasters pores, and I don't think they want me to see them either.
Misha Brown
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Lacey Mosley
Exactly. How are you, Misha?
Misha Brown
I'm so good. Yeah, I actually. I am, like, thrilled, honored, delighted. Because I am a. I am a member of the congregation. I love this show so much, and I loved having you on the big flop. So I'm so excited that now it's my turn to come over here and talk about some scams.
Lacey Mosley
And I was thinking about you. I was actually going to message you, but then when I saw that we had got your booking on the show, I was like, okay, I'll just ask him on the air. But did you see, you know, the award season press tour party junket season just ended, right? Tyra Banks got an award at the Essence, like, celebrating black Women, you know, success luncheon event. And our episode, the most recent episode, the big top that I did with you, is about Tyra Banks and all of her little, tiny, like, flop businesses. You have to listen to it, y'all. If y'all don't know, she has so many. And apparently I'm a part of her cult. Misha had me have a whole realization that's changed my life.
Misha Brown
That's what we learned.
Lacey Mosley
But did you see her speech?
Misha Brown
No.
Lacey Mosley
So she gave a speech, you know, talking about how she had opened so many doors for women and how other black women had opened doors for her, and she's happy to walk through these doors with all these women. And she talked about success of America's Next Top Model and how nobody really wanted her to do it at first. And she was like, did we get a lot of things wrong? Abso. Fucking lutely. But I'm still proud of what we did. Like, she. She said everybody could kiss my ass.
Misha Brown
Okay, well, self aware. Self aware.
Lacey Mosley
Oh.
Misha Brown
So I did not see that. But I have gone back. I started watching, like, season 24. I think it was like, a 2018 cycle. And she. There's this one girl started crying, and she goes, I want you to cry.
Lacey Mosley
Okay, okay. So the growth is new.
Misha Brown
There we go. I was like, oh, here. Here's. Here's good old time. Oh, what a. What a good time.
Lacey Mosley
I mean, that's still technically seven years ago. So she, you know, time.
Misha Brown
I mean, time is pre. Covid. Post. Covid. Right. We are a different society these days than we were just seven years ago.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. Bc. So maybe this was BC before COVID And then Covid came, and then she was like, you know, I gotta change my ways.
Misha Brown
Mm. I think so. Good old Tyra.
Lacey Mosley
I wish y'all could see Misha's face right now. Cause he's like, mm.
Misha Brown
I'm like, yeah. Mm.
Lacey Mosley
Mm. You know what? Shout out to Tyra for being one of the most covert scammers. I never even realized was out here running, running griffs and MLMs and things. Because, baby, y'all just listen to the big flop. Because that is a whole. Misha took me down a.
Misha Brown
A whole ride smizing for the past 24 years.
Lacey Mosley
I had no. I didn't know no better. I still smize. I'm keeping that in my heart. But, Misha, we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams? Like, do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you been scammed recently? Anything you want to talk about?
Misha Brown
I mean, I went to school for musical theater, so I definitely know what scams are.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Misha Brown
But you know what, though? I. Someone did recently try to scam me, and it actually worked in my favor. I get emails all the time asking me to be a guest on these very high profile podcasts. I'm sure you get the same emails, but they never make any sense. They're like, come on. Candace Cameron Burr's podcast to talk about sports, health, and fitness, because that's what you do. And they're always offering, like, $5,000 prepaid. But really what they wanna do is get and they say it's a Facebook podcast, which, by the way, doesn't exist.
Lacey Mosley
Francesca Ramsey told me about this happening to her recently.
Misha Brown
Yeah, so the scam is that they wanna get access to your Facebook account, then they'll block you out and take all of all over your monetization. So anyway, I got one for the Jennifer Hudson podcast on Facebook.
Lacey Mosley
And you know what? I would believe that because what does she hood not doing, right? She went and won an Oscar and she was like, I don't know. I have a TV show. You'll never see a clip from the television show, but you will see dancers walking down the hallway while I make my staff sing them an original song.
Misha Brown
That mutant. Yep. That's not a lie. But, you know, so I responded back to them because they said, we just love your content on health and beauty.
Lacey Mosley
Oh.
Misha Brown
And I said, well, that's incorrect. So I responded back to them. I said, thank you so much. I'm glad you love my content on health and beauty. In fact, I'm going to give you a beauty tip right now. I want you to walk, I want you to go to your nearest cvs. I want you to pick up an eyeliner, a mascara, and any skincare you want. I want you to put them in the bag. I want you to get home, go into your bathroom, take those things out of the bag, and then put that bag over your head, you ugly bitch.
Lacey Mosley
Okay. I didn't know it ever.
Misha Brown
And I told this story on social media and the Jennifer Hudson show reached out to me and was like, do you want to come on the show? The real. The real one?
Lacey Mosley
The real J. Hood?
Misha Brown
Her real talk show? Yeah, her. Her producer reached out to me and was like, let's set this up. Didn't work out because of scheduling, but now I have a contact at the J. Hud show.
Lacey Mosley
Okay, listen, run me down. Let me come up with my fake Internet story about how J. Hood tried to scam me.
Misha Brown
But I will say now, to be fair, I. Yours is real.
Lacey Mosley
I'm saying I'm gonna make the fake ones.
Misha Brown
So my other relationship to scams is okay, maybe we should give it to Tyra because I am somebody that has grown in my lifetime. I did run a scam back in that college where I was getting that scam.
Lacey Mosley
Musical theater of limitations. You were being scammed, so you just ran it back.
Misha Brown
I was being scammed while I scammed. But what happened was my first year there, I went to a private school and it was a requirement that you had to get your textbooks through the school for all of your classes. You couldn't source them anywhere else. And they were so expensive even in 2005. Money. So the next year, my sophomore year, they got rid of that rule and said you can get your textbooks from wherever. So I had this brilliant plan. I would go into the bookstore and I would steal the textbooks of the classes my friends were in. And I would go and I would sell them at this used bookstore and then they would go and buy a used book price, which was really new. So I got a little paycheck. The bookstore made a little bit of profit and my. My friends got to get half price books and the school got scammed.
Lacey Mosley
It sounds like everyone won.
Misha Brown
I don't know if it's a scam or just straight up theft.
Lacey Mosley
No, because this is. It's giving back to the students who can't afford to buy because those books are way too expensive anyway. I used to have a professor and I loved his class, but every year he wrote the textbook for his class. And I will say what the class's name is, but. Cause it's like he made the class up in my business school, but it's like a really good class. And he would change like a few words in the textbook every year so that you had to buy the latest edition. You couldn't buy an older, cheaper copy. And he would make sure that one of our exams or one of our quizzes had one of the new little things that he changed in the newer book. So if you didn't buy it, you were going to lose some points down the line or like get screwed over. It was such a scam. It's like really, you. You found out something new about this course every year? Like you lying.
Misha Brown
And of course he's teaching a class on business, right?
Lacey Mosley
I mean, it's an excellent business scheme because he gets kickbacks from every book that we buy and he's making sure that each year no one can recycle the book.
Misha Brown
I hope he's doing well.
Lacey Mosley
So I'm glad you got your gig back because the campus bookstore knows that they're running a whole racket. College is expensive enough already. And then you're telling me that all the add ons when I get here, it's like, it's not even like, you know how Spirit Airlines is like, oh, the ticket is $5, but then if you want a seatbelt, it's gonna be $20. If you want some water, that's $39.99. How invested are you in takeoff and landing? Those are two separ charges. Yeah, it's like they tag all more stuff except for college is already expensive. They're like, yeah, well, you already had that much baby boo, so come get these 300 books. I know.
Misha Brown
And to get a theater degree. Come on.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, I know.
Misha Brown
That's on me, though.
Lacey Mosley
I got a business major and a performance minor. I use my business degree with my performance endeavors. But I was wondering, like, I haven't been in the business job marketing forever, so if action doesn't work out, I don't know who's going to be like, I'm gonna go to Ernest and Young and be like, so these are my credits. As you can see here, I was behind Ice Tea and Law and Order.
Misha Brown
Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
Not the background credit qualifies me for entry level accounting.
Misha Brown
Like, no, let me tell you, that's scary because the whole reason I became an influencer is because one I am. I am that against having a nine to five that I made myself TikTok famous. But the real.
Lacey Mosley
So now you have a 24 to 24.
Misha Brown
There we go. But the realty is that I. I had. I been booked and blessed my whole 12 years in New York. I only ever performed. I never had really had many side hustles. And when the pandemic happened and I couldn't perform, I couldn't even get a job interview at like T Mobile.
Lacey Mosley
Damn.
Misha Brown
Like, it looks like. It looks like I was a 34 year old who had never worked a day in his life.
Lacey Mosley
See, that's when you got to start making stuff up. I teach you how to do everything at T Mobile anyway.
Misha Brown
Okay, I know, I know. That's why I ended up working part time at Lululemon.
Lacey Mosley
Okay. I could see a Lululemon attractive gang. You know, you could sell a legging or 12. I see that for you.
Misha Brown
Yeah, There we go.
Lacey Mosley
But yes. So, okay, yes, technically, that was a little bit of crime, Misha. But I think that it helped out. It was very altruistic because you didn't just take the books, steal them, and then undercut the market a little bit and sell them online. You took the books, you helped out a local bookstore, get their coins, and you got a discount book for the student who couldn't afford the one in the bookstore.
Misha Brown
It was a Robin Hood scam.
Lacey Mosley
You know, you got a little bit everybody who needed it. You know, local bookstores are going out of business all the time now. You know, Barnes and Noble ads are like, barnes and Noble, we'll suck your dick. Do you want. Do you Want to buy a book? Please help us. That's so crass. Sorry to your babies who are listening, but, like, it's hard to find. I saw my book in a bookstore this past week because I haven't had time, and I was out of the country when it came out, and I went in the store, and I was like, damn, like, bookstores are crazy now. Like. Like, they don't exist that frequently anymore.
Misha Brown
Yeah, it's. It's crazy.
Lacey Mosley
So I like to support a local bookstore, and I think that's what you did, Misha. So I think this is good.
Misha Brown
Thank you. Thank you.
Lacey Mosley
I'm gonna say I approve and I.
Misha Brown
Like it, and it was a long time ago.
Lacey Mosley
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Misha Brown
She has dwarfism.
Lacey Mosley
Starring Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass.
Misha Brown
Something is off.
Lacey Mosley
She's just a little girl. You think she's faking?
Misha Brown
She has adult teeth. There are signs of puberty.
Lacey Mosley
Inspired by the shocking stories that tore a family apart. I don't know what's going on.
Misha Brown
How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl. The Hulu original Good American Family premieres March 19th. Streaming on Hulu.
Lacey Mosley
So this is a very special episode, Misha, because recently we have not been having time to get to our listener letters. And I know y'all are probably thinking I emailed in my letter, like, where is it? But, you know, we've been. The hoodwinks have been too long and juicy, and the guest commentary has been too great. So we're gonna have a mailbag episode today, which I wanted to do with you because I thought it'd be, like, super fun. So I am going to need you to make up fake names for all these people all throughout, so you will have to do a little work. But I want to get your opinions about these scams and. And any red flags you see along the way, any guesses you have to how these are gonna end. And. Yes. So let's just see what the girls have been up to. As always, snitch on your friends, family, and your enemies at scam goddesspodgmail.com. just make sure the scam is retired like Misha, because we don't want to. What? Yes. Fuck up your bag. Amen. So quite a few of these actually have to do with retail. Misha. So I think we're all kind of, like, on the same plane here. I do want to give y'all a note up top here. Congregation, I love y'all when I tell y'all about remarks being two minutes at the church, okay? We're getting a little long winded. We're all doing Adrien Brody at the Oscars. Y'all are sending me dissertations, like, at the end of these. I'm looking for formatting, like mla. I'm looking for citations because you have sent me a document. It's an email, baby boo. Let's keep it to three paragraphs. Keep it cute, okay? Because I want to read it on air. But some of these will scare me out of the whole show.
Misha Brown
Rumor has it Adrien Brody is still giving that speech right now, right at this current moment. Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
He has more to say yet. Nothing to say. And, you know, I hope someone that hopefully, you know. That lady he's with, was that Weinstein's ex? Hopefully she's still there. I don't know.
Misha Brown
Hopefully his gum isn't stuck in her hair. Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
What was that? Why are you throwing gum at that lady?
Misha Brown
Why are you throwing. Swallow it like a real man.
Lacey Mosley
Or at least, like, why you. Like, why did you think that was cute? And it's like, she already had to watch Halle Berry kiss you earlier. Don't throw gum at her. Like, why do you hate this lady?
Misha Brown
That wasn't for me. No, that was not for me.
Lacey Mosley
For many of us, I was like, she had the chance to do the funniest thing ever. And just give us a Will Smith. Just hop on that stage. Everybody wanted him carted off anyway, literally. So I need a fake name for this person. Misha. We don't care about gender. It could be anything.
Misha Brown
Okay, how about Alex?
Lacey Mosley
Alex. It's very neutral too.
Misha Brown
Very neutral.
Lacey Mosley
Yes. Alex. Good criminal name. I think Alex is a good criminal name. It's very generic. Wait, you don't agree, Misha?
Misha Brown
No, I was.
Lacey Mosley
Misha's not a good criminal name. Misha's so unique. It's beautiful.
Misha Brown
But, like, Misha's not. But my legal name is Michael Brown, okay? And so anytime I come back into the country from being away, I always get pulled off to the side because they think that I'm a terrorist or something because I have such a suspiciously.
Lacey Mosley
Like, common name, like John Smith.
Misha Brown
They're like. They're like. That is the most milquetoast name I've ever seen. You need to come with me. We need to check your bags. Touch your butthole. So, yeah, but no, yeah, Misha's a nickname.
Lacey Mosley
I love Misha. But Michael Brown's also racial neutral. Like, you probably should have been putting, like, Misha on your applications with Lacey Mosley. They think I'm white until I show up. Okay. By that time I got them, you're like, I'm here. Can't kick me out. I'm here now. Okay. But Michael Brown can go many different ways.
Misha Brown
It's true.
Lacey Mosley
So Alex, says here this scam is tiny and probably wouldn't phase too many people, especially if they're used to things falling off the truck. In quotes.
Misha Brown
Uh huh.
Lacey Mosley
I don't know if you guys remember this episode years ago, but I talked about how I thought it was normal to a guest. I was like, yeah, you know, like when the Mac man comes over and like, you guys look at all the new Mac cosmetics and then you, like, buy them at home. I thought that was just like a, like a rich lady thing my mom had going on in Texas. No, that man was boosted. And, you know, the Mac man was a staple in my life for a few years and we just never saw him again.
Misha Brown
Huh. Wonder what happens.
Lacey Mosley
Should have thought about that harder. Should have thought about that just like a little bit harder. But so Alex says, my mom took me to a new hairdresser when I was like, 11 or 12 in Dayton. Shout out to Dayton, Ohio. We have, I think, yeah, that we have the last episode of Scam Goddess on Hulu is in Dayton, Ohio. So I've been there so Alex says mama was taking them to a hair salon in Dayton. It was a. It was in a strip mall. And I have no idea how she found this place, but whatever. I was there to get my relaxer and trim. Side note, I'm sad that I had relaxers at that age. My daughter will never know that. Life shout out to you if you don't know what a relaxer is. It's a chemical treatment to straighten curly hair. And there have been proven to be very adverse side effects linking to, you know, cancer and other diseases and obviously chemical burns and things like that. So, you know, it's not good. But if you were a little black girl during a certain time in the, you know, states, you probably have some creamy crack put on your head.
Misha Brown
Creamy crack?
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, it's just something that. Something that happened. So there were few people in and out of the salon, and there were a few guys who would come in with boxes and take them to the back. They told my mom they were selling clothes and asked her if she wanted to check them out. She went and got some clothes. What in the. Baby boy? Okay, Men coming in with just boxes saying they're selling clothes. What kind of.
Misha Brown
Yeah, what kind of clothes? Are we talking season?
Lacey Mosley
What season are we in? Designer.
Misha Brown
We're doing spring dresses. Are we talking, you know, undergarments? Are we like, what. What are the. What is. What's in the box?
Lacey Mosley
Just clothes. Come back here and look.
Misha Brown
Yeah, it is a man. He doesn't know. He's like, I don't know. Shirts.
Lacey Mosley
I know women. Be shopping. Come to the back. These are his slogans, nothing else. But you're right. It's like, how many size ratio? Are we talking adult clothing? Children's clothing? Baby clothing? No, just clothes. Come to the back. Okay. So Alex says that her mom went to the back and got some them. When all was done, we left. The next time we went, they had clothes again. So I went back to check the stuff out. I noticed all the clothes still had tags. But not only did they have tags, they also had the giant plastic security tags on them, too. I thought that was odd, especially when they were using a lighter to get the security tag to release so that they could give us the clothes. Now we'll say, this is great customer service.
Misha Brown
That's true.
Lacey Mosley
Because they didn't let you go home with the tag on. That's happened to me in stores. I still have a dress that has that tag on. And I'm like, now I'm thinking, like, I didn't know you could use a lighter. I was just gonna go on Amazon and get a tag remover. But a lighter you say? I might have to try that at home.
Misha Brown
Okay, but also, how much of a discount are we getting on these clothes? I'm thinking ahead because do you not have like burn marks? You're just like buying clothes. There's just a small burn hole right over here on the, on the seam. But don't worry about that.
Lacey Mosley
Get a little needle and thread, you can sew that little burn hole right up. I think they coming in the style of burn holes. Make more of them and make it a statement.
Misha Brown
There we go.
Lacey Mosley
I would hope these, if they've been doing this for a while, I'd hope they've acquired some skills with it. Now, if you are boosting clothes, clearly you're stealing them and it's free for you. You're getting the five finger discount and selling it as a, as a markup. But if you're making money off of this, like, why not just go on the Internet and get a tag remover? A tag.
Misha Brown
Well, you know what, it's like all the people that impersonate our pages, they will never pay for that verification badge. You know, they're not trying to invest any more money into this.
Lacey Mosley
That's so true. And I don't know why they don't. Because if you get a verification bag on Instagram, it's free. It's just that to get one, you have to either have a certain amount of articles online, they offer it to you, or your publicist reaches out or whatever network you work for and they get you verified. Now, on Twitter, you can purchase it.
Misha Brown
Or you can purchase it on Meta.
Lacey Mosley
You can buy it on Meta now.
Misha Brown
Yeah. On Facebook and Instagram, you used to.
Lacey Mosley
Not be able to do that.
Misha Brown
Yeah, you can for like a year.
Lacey Mosley
That's weird.
Misha Brown
I know, but that's why I'm saying it's like, I don't.
Lacey Mosley
I'm verifying the extra money, but they're.
Misha Brown
Not going to spend that 4.99amonth or whatever it is.
Lacey Mosley
That's ridiculous. Why not make it look real. If you're going to impersonate me and ask my friends and family for small amounts of money.
Misha Brown
Right.
Lacey Mosley
That's an investment. Like, you gotta do that. Seal the deal. Buy some followers too. Like, make it really make it look good. I don't want to help y'all. I hope scammers do not listen to my show. Like, ooh, that's a good tip.
Misha Brown
They're like, you know What? I'm gonna DM Lacey's mom and say, I got this shirt. It's got a little burn hole, but.
Lacey Mosley
That'S actually in right now. Did y'all see McQueen 2025? The Burns are in.
Misha Brown
All right.
Lacey Mosley
The girls are yearning for the burns. That should have set off a red flag, Alex, that you're one. You're at a hair salon. This is not. Now, hair salons do sell a lot of random stuff. There's always someone coming in. Well, black hair salons, there's someone coming in, like Bruhman, and they got CDs, DVDs, ice pops, lunch. You name it, they got it. Concert tickets. And then. So if they had some clothes, that actually wouldn't be the most bizarre thing, but you are in the back of a hair salon with some men who clearly don't do hair, looking at some clothes in a box with tags and security tags on them. So, yeah. Yeah. I think walking back there was the first flag of like, this isn't how clothes are typically sold.
Misha Brown
Not. Not usually, no.
Lacey Mosley
There's some stores like that. I won't say what street, because I'm not going to out them. But in Los Angeles, there's the Santa Monica. You know, that one part near vine, they have all of those stores where you can go in. You could tell that, like, mom and Pop Run, they just have a. It's not a thrift store, but they just have a bunch of random clothes. And it'll only be one of one of each of them. It's not the Webster. It's just one of one. Because clearly they have boosted all this stuff, and it's all from different stores. They all have different tags, and they still have the, you know, price tag on them. And I'm like, what is going on in here? I don't want to know.
Misha Brown
Yeah. I mean, yeah, New York is the same. New York has those little pockets.
Lacey Mosley
Or when they. I like. I like in Chinatown, when they have it behind the wall. Like, good fake purses behind the wall. It's like, I gotta risk my life and go behind this fake wall to get a fake Hermes.
Misha Brown
It's like, it feels like you're in a John Wick movie.
Lacey Mosley
You know, I go back there, like, who killed my dog? And I said, yeah, three of those Fuchis.
Misha Brown
Fuchies.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. Give me a Frotta. Like, yes. I love that for them. So this letter concludes with, my mom bought the stuff, and when we went home, she told my dad about the clothes, and she was telling the story. It Dawned on me how they got the clothes and why they would have to burn off security tags. Okay, Alex, you were young, so to give you a break on, like, it take until y'all got all the way home. Because I feel like once they walked in the place with the boxes and went straight to the back and said, we're selling clothes, I would have been like, okay. Crime.
Misha Brown
Clocked immediately.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, there was a big, like, heist at Lululemon not so long ago that we talked about on the podcast. You made me think of that. You said you worked there for a little bit back in the day where they got away with, like, millions of dollars of, like, stealing from one Lululemon and then going to another one to return those items. Mm. And so, I mean, those clothes are expensive, so they got away with a lot very fast. It was actually quite impressive. But, you know, these kinds of scams, they exist sometimes they actually fuel, like, drug businesses. Like, they'll boost the clothes, resell them, and then that money goes into other nefarious activities.
Misha Brown
Sure.
Lacey Mosley
Okay. Startup. I don't know about that. But the interesting thing, too, is I have friends who worked in retail. I worked in retail back in the day. I was very bad at it. I can't fold a shirt to save my life. That square shirt.
Misha Brown
No, me either. Bless.
Lacey Mosley
No, it might as well have been the. The bed sheet with all the, you know, round corners for me.
Misha Brown
Yeah, yeah, I can. Fitted sheet. My husband does that. Shirts. I. I hang everything up.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, no, that's. That's a good way to avoid folding. You're like, I'm just gonna put it on a hanger.
Misha Brown
I'm gonna put it.
Lacey Mosley
I don't have to deal with this.
Misha Brown
Here we go.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. Now that I think of it, I don't have. I have a built in duster that I had built in my closet, but that's just for like. Like things that don't wrinkle. Like workout clothes and underwear and bras and swimsuits. Yeah, I don't fold clothes. Clothes.
Misha Brown
No.
Lacey Mosley
Same shirts that are way too tight to have a wrinkle. It's like I put it on and just like, formulates to my body, one day I'll stop dressing like a hoochie.
Misha Brown
No, never.
Lacey Mosley
You're right. Hoochie. Till I die.
Misha Brown
Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
Come on. I die. All right, Misha, here is another scam story. I just need a fake name for this person.
Misha Brown
Okay, how about Jason?
Lacey Mosley
Jason. I feel like you kind of had the energy of what these stories are because you've kind of mentioned topics that they're all correlating to. Because now we're getting into student loans.
Misha Brown
Oh, shit.
Lacey Mosley
So Jason says, here's an awful email scam I received. We know Donnie ain't forgiven these student loans. Most likely he's trying to privatize them. This is clearly trying to target uninformed student loan borrowers. As if university degrees were not a scam enough for us. I wanted to send this along so people could be aware. Right now my student loan is on pause with the save plan. And I don't believe any forgiveness will happen in this dictatorship.
Misha Brown
Okay, wow.
Lacey Mosley
Brief and. And very real.
Misha Brown
Too real to the point.
Lacey Mosley
Yes, some would say. So Jason says. This is the email that Jason got. Jason. First and last name. Okay, so we'll say Jason Bourne.
Misha Brown
There we go.
Lacey Mosley
Jason Bourne. Comma. It's Elza with the student loan debt department. This is regarding Your case number, 97399. We tried to contact you at your home and did not hear back. Your student loans, all one word. Have been flagged as possibly eligible for forgiveness under 2025 guidelines. Your file will remain open in my system for only one more day. You know, you got to put some time restraints on it so people don't have time to think.
Misha Brown
Act quickly, act quickly.
Lacey Mosley
Because you know, that's how student loans work. Like you going to pay forever. But we'll forgive you if you call us in the next 12 hours.
Misha Brown
You got 13 and a half minutes.
Lacey Mosley
Your grandchildren will be paying for this, but you have 30 minutes. So please give me a call on Tuesday during the afternoon at. And then a number. It says we can take your call between the H. And then hours is on another line. So put it together. What does that spell?
Misha Brown
Hours.
Lacey Mosley
Great. Amazing. Give him points. Given Points, Jess. Points on the board.
Misha Brown
Thank you.
Lacey Mosley
Of 8:00am to 5:00pm Pacific Standard, Monday through Friday. Thank you, Elsa. So, Elsa, there's already too many typos here. One, the email structure is very bizarre. Two, how you just going to throw out a random case number? Like, first of all, you know. No, but nobody knows their case number for anything.
Misha Brown
Not you. Could be. I actually have an inheritance coming and I wouldn't know what that case number is. No, absolutely not. Also, Elsa, how are you expecting Jason to call you from 8am to 5pm on a Tuesday? Because we have to work to pay these student loans. We have jobs. We don't have time to call you about this. Just forgive them and let me go.
Lacey Mosley
I remember I was bartending and student loans called me. I had one Loan for housing because I went to school. I was saying it again. Y'all on what if you listen to this podcast. Yes. Scholarship. That's for that one person who tweeted me saying they were annoyed with that. Just for you, baby. You thought, I forget. I'm petty. I'll do it forever. So they called me. I was like, bartender, that karma lounge. And they called me, and they were like. And that was when they used to do, like, pauses on your loans. Obviously, I don't have to worry about a loan now. But, like, they would do a pause. I was like, 20 at the time. So I caught. They called, and I was like, hey. They were like, hey. So we're just trying to see, like, if what your job and income is looking like because, you know, we want to start up the auto payment on your student loan. And I was like, well, I'm an. I'm an actor. I'm aspiring and why I started there. That is all I said. That's all I said. And the student loan person on the phone was like, okay, girl, so we're gonna do a pause. Okay, we'll call you back in six months to see what. Like, I was. It was so shady. Oh, I didn't even finish the sentence. She was like, oh, girl. Okay, girl. So we'll put you on a pause. All right? And so we'll be. Contact. I was like, ma'am, okay, this is rude, but, yes, go ahead. And. Yeah, yeah, hit. Hit that two lines and pause. Thank you.
Misha Brown
Yeah, if you can double up that six months, that would be great.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, just don't call me ever. How about that? Vibes? No, but also here. You told me, Elza, to give you a call on Tuesday during the afternoon. Then you gave me a number and said I could call anytime between 8 and 5pm Pacific Standard, Monday through Friday. Which is it? Elz, when do you. When do you want me to call you?
Misha Brown
I don't know. Maybe in the.
Lacey Mosley
What do you mean, call you back? You're not my bestie. Talk about hit me back in the afternoon. Girl, I'm gonna be free now. You can hit me Monday through Friday, but you only got 24 hours, so call me on Tuesday in the afternoon. But also this. We are open at these times.
Misha Brown
Also, we contacted you at your home.
Lacey Mosley
How did you contact me in my home? Did you.
Misha Brown
Did you knock on the door? And then. You know, we didn't leave you any contact information, but we haven't heard back from you. You. So you. Yeah, you. 14 minutes.
Lacey Mosley
I hear us knocking. I was like, jason. Jason, it's me, Elsa, from student loans.
Misha Brown
Hello?
Lacey Mosley
Do you want to be forgiven? You got 15 minutes. What are you talking about? How did you contact me at my home?
Misha Brown
Oh, jeez.
Lacey Mosley
Do you. You sent a let, like so much. Doesn't make sense. The email is very short. Obviously, there's many typo errors here. You already know in the. In the time of orange, which is where we are. They're not forgiving anything. Babes, they don't even want you to have eggs. They're not. The chickens aren't forgiving you.
Misha Brown
No. The economy is crashing on purpose. Come on.
Lacey Mosley
Literally.
Misha Brown
Robbery.
Lacey Mosley
Don't Miss Good American Family. We have a little girl here for adoption.
Misha Brown
She has dwarfism.
Lacey Mosley
Starring Ellen Pompeo and Mark Duplass.
Misha Brown
Something is off.
Lacey Mosley
She's just a little girl. You think she's faking?
Misha Brown
She has adult teeth. There are signs of puberty.
Lacey Mosley
Inspired by the shocking stories that tore a family apart. I don't know what's going on.
Misha Brown
How old are you? You should get a lawyer. You have no idea how those people hurt this girl.
Lacey Mosley
The Hulu original series, Good American Family premieres March 19th.
Misha Brown
Streaming on Hulu.
Lacey Mosley
New markdowns up to 70% off are at Nordstrom Rack stores now. Fresh kicks. Spring tops, new dresses. There's always a score.
Misha Brown
I mean, the denim section is unreal.
Lacey Mosley
Why do I rack all the dresses? I always find something amazing. Head to your Nordstrom Rack store to find.
Misha Brown
Can't miss deals on all the spring things.
Lacey Mosley
Great brands, great prices.
Misha Brown
That's why you rack and frog.
Lacey Mosley
All right, we've got another one. This one's a little bit longer. Misha, you got a name for me?
Misha Brown
Let's do Sarah.
Lacey Mosley
Sarah. I like Sarah. Sarah, won't you smile for me? That's the song. Okay, so it says, hi, Lacy and wonderful guest. Misha, that's you. Very wonderful. Sarah says, I'm emailing about a scam that just happened to my dad. I literally got off the phone call where he told me about it and went, oh, my God. I have to tell Scam God. It's not you. Immediately. I love that. While it's fresh in your mind, snitch on your friends and family. So it says, my dad got a text from his cell phone provider in quotes saying, hey, fill out this survey and you'll have a chance to win a prize. Have you ever filled out one of those surveys?
Misha Brown
No.
Lacey Mosley
I'm just like, this is free labor. Give me money if you want my feedback, Give me money.
Misha Brown
Yeah, I am a Very. I am a skeptical person. I am like I am. I'm a very positive person and I believe the best in people when I meet them. But if I. Anything that comes to my inbox the second my phone rings, if it's important, you will leave a voicemail.
Lacey Mosley
Exactly. And then maybe I'll listen to half of it or read it and delete it. So that's that. I don't answer numbers. I don't know unless I'm in production, not doing it. So Sarah says, he clicks the link. Oh no, in parentheses. I told y'all about clicking them links. He goes in and he does the survey, and what a surprise, he wins. Then it says, okay, go ahead and pick your prize. You'll just have to pay $1 for it. Uh oh, now why I gotta pay? I just did the survey labor. I'm not giving you any money. Why do I have to pay?
Misha Brown
Classic scam. We gotta pay a little bit. We'll give you a lot more back.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, so much more. We don't have a dollar, but we do have $500 free dollars for you. We don't have a dollar, though.
Misha Brown
Yeah, you just have to pay the, the, the processing fee is what it is.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, yeah, because on our end it actually doesn't show that. And so we, we just. I'm holding the $500 right now in my hand, ready to backs it into the computer. But you, you gotta give me that dollar first, baby. So there's a variety of things, a bunch of phones that he could take as his prize. But there's also another thing that is offered and it is a three year Netflix subscription. So he opts for that because he's on fixed income, which. Okay, Netflix goes up every year.
Misha Brown
I was gonna say in three years that that subscription is going to be worth more than a phone.
Lacey Mosley
They need to stop calling it. Just start calling it. Because every time you go in, they'd be like, oh, yeah, we've upped the price. It's the same stuff. New price. Yeah, y'all get it. Y'all get the same stuff. But then we gotta have more price. You understand, right?
Misha Brown
We're Netflix.
Lacey Mosley
Yes, I love Netflix. Keep casting me Netflix. Yeah, y'all keep playing that. Cha ch. Okay, so he's on the very fixed income. He's only got basic cable and sports. So this is a good deal for her dad. It says, oh, I forgot that you actually have to pay $15. So once he clicks, Once the dad clicks on that, he'll take the Netflix three years for Free. Then it's like, actually, to get that done, you're going to have to give us 15. So really 16. So her dad was like, well, I just said $1. But I'm sure that's far less than actually paying for, like, the whole three years of a subscription for Netflix, which it very much is. So the dad's like, why not? I'm still in it, right? Sarah says, oh, no. There's a lot of oh, nos and parentheses from Sarah.
Misha Brown
I feel that. Sarah.
Lacey Mosley
I feel that as mile markers. As it gets worse.
Misha Brown
Take a breath, take a drink.
Lacey Mosley
Literally. She was like. Like, sell from a writer in quotes. Oh, no. She was like, do a survey, win a prize. Oh, no, no. Then he wins. Oh, no, no. They need a dollar. Oh, no. He chooses Netflix. They need $15. Oh, no. Like, they're really like. And they also heighten in caps. It's like. Some are like, oh. Others are like. So her dad fills out the payment information and then wakes up the next morning, and there's no money in his bank account. Accounts fully cleared him out. He went into his bank and spoke to a teller, and she said it looked like since he had never used his credit online in that way, it had already gotten flagged, and his money was already back in his accounts. Oh, okay.
Misha Brown
Okay. Yeah, okay. I'm sweating over here. Hated that.
Lacey Mosley
Right? Spitzing. And you know what? Good on. Good on Pops for never using his card online. But he was like, three years free. Netflix. Netflix, y'all got me. And the bank was like, this don't look like you, Pops.
Misha Brown
Yeah, good for him. Because if it were me, they would be like, no, that's gone forever. Yeah, they're like, you did that. You did that.
Lacey Mosley
We see your spitting habits. They're all over the place. You definitely did this.
Misha Brown
Oh, but how lucky is that, right?
Lacey Mosley
So he goes. The dad says, okay, well, that's good, and goes home. And then that afternoon, gets a call from his bank's credit card fraud department. I was about to say department. Why was that happening? So dad, still unsure if that was real or not, asked if he made a charge of $300. And he was like, what? Definitely not. So this is the fraud department calling him now. Now, mind you, he already called his bank directly. And the bank was like, oh, you're good, Pops. Like, we. We know it wasn't you. We're gonna put the money back. But now the fraud department is calling him, and it was like, hey, did you spend this money? And the dad is like, okay, well, I already got A phone with the bank, and they said I was good. So why are they calling me again? Yeah, banks typically don't work that hard.
Misha Brown
Oh, my gosh, dad, please, please, please. Think about it. Think about it.
Lacey Mosley
So dad is like, what? Definitely not. And hung up and walked to the bank again. Okay, Pops is old school. He's not just calling. He's pulling up at the bank.
Misha Brown
He did pull up. He walked in, he said, I need to speak with somebody face to face.
Lacey Mosley
None of that phone bullshit. Give me one of them pins on a chain.
Misha Brown
I want to talk to Pam. I want to talk to Pam. Pam's been taking care of me for 25 years. I trust Pam.
Lacey Mosley
She know me. She knows and only Pam.
Misha Brown
Y. Yep.
Lacey Mosley
So when dad went into the bank, they were able to block the payment and lock down his card, but now he has to wait for a new one that will be issued, which is annoying. The bank said that they won't be able to refund the $15 since he did agree to pay that. But okay, you know it's $15, right. So at least the worst is that he's only out of $15. But mostly he's just annoyed at the hassle and embarrassed that he fell for it when he considers himself generally savvy enough to catch on when there's a scam. And the type of person to warn people about scams, like older folks at the care home and food banks that he volunteers for. Because I told him that what you always say, there's always a scam out there for everyone. It just takes the right bait at the right moment in time. Oh, I'm glad that you shared that with him because he should not be embarrassed. He just wanted listen that the dung is getting more expensive. He thought out the survey. He won.
Misha Brown
And these people are good at what they do.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah.
Misha Brown
You know, they. They know that if they just do it 300 times a day, they just need one person, you know, to be excited or be in a moment where like. Yeah, their nerves or in their excitement, like, you know, clouds their judgment for a second. But definitely not embarrassing.
Lacey Mosley
Or maybe they're not paying attention. You know, people have a lot going on.
Misha Brown
Yeah. There's kids crying, dogs peeing on the floor. Who knows?
Lacey Mosley
This one, it was convoluted because the person did, like the scammer took them through lots of steps. First impersonating the phone company. Then they must have had some kind of survey pre set up on whatever fake website they were using that late that this person has went on godaddy. It has several, you know, websites. Because then that website's linking to the payment one. Like, it's like, this is a scammer who sat down and was like, let me code H T M L A S C A M R O B B E R Y colon. Like they did some work. I wouldn't be embarrassed to fall for that.
Misha Brown
No. And you know what? In fact, I just did an episode on Enzyte, which was a nail. A male natural enhancement pill. Oh, I heard about that back in the day. Was. Was smiling, Bob. And the pills obviously did not work. And they would have a subscription where you. They didn't tell you you were going to be on a subscription. And people were just getting charged money month after month without realizing it. But then when people would call in to cancel, they would have other people from their company pretend to be some pharmaceutical company being like, hey, just heard this wasn't working for you. We actually have another product that we think you should use. And it really was just another one of his company's products.
Lacey Mosley
Can you imagine getting on the phone with the peens. With the peens specialist? And they're like, okay, but how. Okay, you have the measuring tape. All right, all right. Okay. If you're gonna use the. The one that comes out of the coil, like, you gotta make sure the base is at the, at the. The. Okay, are you shaved down there? Because you really got to hold it to. Right to the skin.
Misha Brown
Right to the skin. Give yourself every millimeter. Come on.
Lacey Mosley
Have you been measuring erect or flaccid?
Misha Brown
Are we talking.
Lacey Mosley
Because the pills really work upon erection. Like, you really can't measure unless it's erect. If it's like getting bigger. Have you phoned a friend? Any partners that you've had who are like, wow, different. Like different. You should ask other people because sometimes you can't feel when it's grown.
Misha Brown
Sometimes the measuring tape lies. Yeah, you can't. You can't. It's not about the. It's not about the size. It's a. It's about the feeling.
Lacey Mosley
It's about, are you a cooler or a measuring stick? Are you in meters or feet?
Misha Brown
Are you in love? It is better when you're in love.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, the oxytocin really helps it grow. And have you. Have you tried our supplements that you're supposed to take with the penis pill? Because that really enhances.
Misha Brown
No, we'll sign you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just $244 a month.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, that's. That is so bizarre. To be someone who's doing that to people and also to have them on a monthly, like, extraction of money. Are you taking them in the morning?
Misha Brown
This is what I'm saying.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, take him in the morning.
Misha Brown
The reason he was so. It was so popular was because it was the first time it was like, over the counter, right there was Viagra, but you had to go to the doctor. So they were really banking on that. That feeling of embarrassment of men and saying, you can get this without having to go and talk to somebody about your small penis.
Lacey Mosley
Right?
Misha Brown
He saw this moment, this, like, opportunity because of Viagra, and was like, ooh, we can make. Yeah, we can make some money.
Lacey Mosley
Because they deal still. They still have legitimate companies that do do that, where they're like, you're a man, and you will send it in a brown box and it'll say, not dick stuff, and none of your neighbors will know. And it's like, like what? And like, this is not, like, to body shame anybody. It's just that they're preying on that shame. Like, you want to do something to enhance your physical appearance. Especially when it comes to men. Like, it boggles the mind how much they love. Some men love to criticize, you know, women who. Or anybody who likes to dress in any kind of fem way or change their makeup or their hair or anything about their appearance to feel more grounded in their body or what they want to look like. Because that stuff exists for men, too. But it's just like, they have to, like. Like, if you want a bigger wipe because you got a big ass or something, like, you got to get dude wipes.
Misha Brown
Dude wipes, right? Just for men.
Lacey Mosley
Because booty holes are gay. So.
Misha Brown
But.
Lacey Mosley
But if you're straight and you want to get the dirt off of it, dude, like, what? Can't everyone just want to be hygienic? I don't think that's like.
Misha Brown
Like, it's okay.
Lacey Mosley
Particular.
Misha Brown
A clean butt is not gay, okay?
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, everybody wants it. Everybody wants you to have a cle. Think everyone on the earth wants you to have a clean butt.
Misha Brown
You can have your cedar and tobacco smells on the wipes. It's okay. That can be the flavor you'd like. But relax, honey.
Lacey Mosley
Cedar and tobacco. Booty wipes. It's crazy.
Misha Brown
It's crazy. But I'm sure it exists.
Lacey Mosley
But they probably exist.
Misha Brown
They probably out there.
Lacey Mosley
It's just like the eye cream that they have for men. It's called war paint paint. And it's like a eye moisturizing cream.
Misha Brown
I got Their. I got their makeup.
Lacey Mosley
Really?
Misha Brown
Yeah. It comes.
Lacey Mosley
Is it good?
Misha Brown
No. But to be fair. But the foundation brush is a literal paintbrush.
Lacey Mosley
Wow.
Misha Brown
You can. You can caulk your. You can caulk your shower and you can caulk up your eye with the same tool.
Lacey Mosley
Not. It comes out and it's like a roller and a little. Like a little paint tin. That's how you got to put on your. Your mand. Like you got a pimple. Put on this mandation. What are we doing?
Misha Brown
Just little pimple patches in the shape of footballs.
Lacey Mosley
Yes, I'm sure if they don't have it yet, that's coming too. It's just like in the shape of a knife. Gets rid of blackheads.
Misha Brown
Teardrop. I've killed people.
Lacey Mosley
The teardrop. Definitely a teardrop. That's a good one. You want people to. They could do murders while you clear up your skin. Now we've gone completely off the rails, but all right, we're going to do one last listener letter here. Misha. I just need a fake name for this person.
Misha Brown
Okay. How about Gavin?
Lacey Mosley
Gavin. I like Gavin. Okay. I'm actually going to give you a choice. I have two left here. One is a little longer, but. But it starts with, I've been reading to write in about this stupid pointless scam that sounds straight out of a Dr. Phil show. And they. They really hate their family and talk about that a bit here. And then I've got a shorter one that's about working at Kohl's.
Misha Brown
Oh, let's go for the Dr. Phil one because we've done some retail.
Lacey Mosley
Okay. Yeah, we have done some retail. Okay. So this one's called Baby Bump Bamboozler. That's what they sent me. Okay. Says longtime listener, first time writing in. I've been meaning to write about this stupid pointless scam that sounds like straight out of Dr. Phil. And then Gavin says, and I believe there may have been a similar situation on the Dr. Phil Show. I figured now is a great time considering it's been more than six years and I don't care anymore. And my dumb drunk bastard of an ex boyfriend and his family can go to heaven because I don't want to see or party with them in his hell. Okay.
Misha Brown
Okay. Go to heaven, Gavin.
Lacey Mosley
Why you wishing the people on. On the people in heaven? Okay. Betty White don't deserve that. She went through enough on earth.
Misha Brown
There we go. That's true. Petty, but with some grace. I like that, though.
Lacey Mosley
I'mma be in hell. I don't need them down There with me. I'm taking it there. Okay, so Gavin says, my ex was really close with a group of four brothers and their families. We would hang out with them several times a week. He. He truly was loved by them and sort of like the fifth brother because he would never off and was constantly couch surfing at their homes. Who. You do not like your ex.
Misha Brown
Not at all.
Lacey Mosley
Not. They were the fifth brother because they would never fuck off. Welcome to the family. So she won't leave. So then it says, men are a scam. And this should have been a red flag as he will never get his shit together and live like a nomad. Really? My ex just shows up all the damn time because he was drunk and so were they. Gaff it, baby.
Misha Brown
Oh, okay.
Lacey Mosley
I feel like the scam here is that you wanted to just talk about your ex.
Misha Brown
Literally, it was like, I'm gonna.
Lacey Mosley
I haven't heard a scam yet. We're two paragraphs in. Gavin.
Misha Brown
The scam is men don't.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, the scam is you gonna read on air how much I hate this raggedy and his family.
Misha Brown
Not the raggedy.
Lacey Mosley
Tossing this man like a rag doll. Okay, so one of the brothers, cuz, remember, these are his brothers because he refuses to leave their home. So brother friends. One of the brother friends, we'll call him Jacob, was dating a girl, we'll call her Mariah. This was a very large family. All of the brothers had a multi, like, multiple kids and majority of them being little girls. So, of course, this family is absolutely thrilled when Jacob and Mariah announce at a gender reveal that they will be expecting a baby boy. I want y'all to stop doing gender reveals, which I was trash ass men, like, because this is really a CIS couple thing. But, like, please, because I'm so tired of, like, yo, baby gonna get on the Internet in probably, what, two years? Because the baby got the iPad by three.
Misha Brown
Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
And they gonna find a video of their dad being disappointed that they're a girl.
Misha Brown
Like, seriously, could you imagine?
Lacey Mosley
Like, they always look sad, and I'm like, y'all are weird. Healthy is what we should be going for. Just healthy, alive, alive.
Misha Brown
Baby. Yours, right? Yours.
Lacey Mosley
Big one. Big one. Yeah, that should be number one. Yours.
Misha Brown
It's yours.
Lacey Mosley
It's healthy, alive.
Misha Brown
It's healthy alive.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. So this, of course, sounded too good to be true. And being the egotistical douchebag that Jacob is, it really did feel like Mariah was trying to please the family and stroke his ego. Okay, so you felt like it was too good to be true that Jacob was having a boy since all the other men in the family had had girls. Now, I will say we know that the. The men's semen decides the sex, which is also why I'm like, why are y'all mad? You spit now, girls, you did it. You did it.
Misha Brown
You did it.
Lacey Mosley
Boo. So. But also not you being like, the. Did you get out your Punnett Square? Like, how do you know that this is not, like, genealogically possible? You're like, mm, mm. It's been too many girls. They shooting girls. Ain't no way in hell Jacob done brought his bitch ass in here and. And had a boy. But you know what? You hate this family. I don't mind it. Everything's suspicious with them. We'll take it. So Gavin thinks that Mariah is just trying to stroke Jacob's ego and say that it's a boy. Months go by, and Mariah really doesn't look anything more than, like, three or so months pregnant. One of the brother's wives, Anna, was actually a photographer and did a lot of boudoir and maternity photo shoots. Anna was even joking with Mariah, stating, I don't know. Supposed to take your maternity pictures when you don't look very pregnant. Shade. At about six or seven months, Mark, Jacob, and Mariah had a baby shower at Anna's house. Now, why would y'all have the baby shower at the person who's already throwing you shade? Like, where's the baby?
Misha Brown
Yeah, that seems crazy.
Lacey Mosley
Mariah, of course, still didn't look more than about three months pregnant. And Jacob was nevertheless super excited showing everyone recent sonogram in images with Mariah's name on them. Having a baby shower that early on should have truly been the first red flag being that everybody was excited to have a little boy in the family. They received almost every single item on their Target baby Registry. So because of sexism, everybody was like, you know, we don't even care if she don't look pregnant. For real. We're gonna go to this baby shower, and we're gonna give them way more than we gave the people who had the girl children. Because.
Misha Brown
Okay, I also hate this family, so I'm. Boo.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, boo. We all hate them. Gavin, we on your side. We are on your side. Okay? I'm gonna need them in purgatory just in case things don't add up for me in heaven. You know, wherever I go, I don't wanna meet them. Not that they could just float in the white abyss. We don't. I don't think we ever need to know them. So Jacob was definitely not ready to be a dad and still continued to drink heavily, not spending much time time with his pregnant girlfriend and being financially irresponsible. Both Jacob and Mariah were still living with their parents, but Mariah had signed a lease agreement for an apartment for her future family. Living with parents and getting pregnant. I know things happen in life.
Misha Brown
Yeah.
Lacey Mosley
Just feel like, you know, kids are really expensive. Condoms are cheaper. If you gotta. If you're living with your mama, I don't think you can be having unprotected sexual things.
Misha Brown
Yeah, I mean, like, I get, like, wanting to save a few pennies, you know, but yeah, let's try to avoid the babies.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. So Mariah and I were the only. So I is Gavin. Mariah and I were the only introverts of the group of brothers and their wives slash girlfriends. This is a whole cohort of, like, this is at least 10 people. At some point during the baby shower, we were both sitting in the living room alone, and of course, all the drunks needed more booze. You keep calling these people drunks. Damn. Okay, look, addiction is a disaster disease, but I can tell that. I can tell the way you calling them drugs is like, these people are obnoxious. I'm, I'm. I'm seeing. They're probably wrestling. Somebody's really red in the face, cussing people out. You know, they seem like obnoxious people when they get intoxicated, like saying something bigoted.
Misha Brown
For sure.
Lacey Mosley
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of hard RS getting thrown around up in this scenario.
Misha Brown
I think so. I think so.
Lacey Mosley
So they got to go get more booze. I tell them that it's so incredibly up to send a pregnant lady to go buy beer. So I accompany her to the nearby 7 11. So they send the pregnant lady to get the beer because they're like, we're drunk. Okay. At least they're not trying to drink. Drink. A drive. They're like, we'll send the pregnant lady. I feel like there's some other options in there. Postmates or something, but. Okay, we're going to send a pregnant lady. All right. So during our short drive, she was venting to me about how she doesn't think Jacob is ready to be a dad, and she knows he's never going to change his toxic machismo ways, and she was thinking about leaving him being young and naive. I told her to do what she think is best for herself and her future baby and that I promise not to say a word. I don't think that's young and naive. I think that's a nice thing to say to someone who's clearly not in a great situation.
Misha Brown
Yeah, I think so.
Lacey Mosley
So weeks after the baby shower go by and Mariah and Jacob move in together. Now, Mariah, girl, don't ask me for no advice no more. Now you done shacked up with and my name's Bennett. I'm not in it. And I can only assume things might have not been going so well because the following series of events that occurred about a month after the baby shower. My ex calls me crying in a panic, freaking out because Jacob is absolutely devastated. Mariah had lost the baby. Given that it had been seven or eight months at the mark, that would mean that the baby was almost full term. Pregnancy things were not adding up. I of course asked questions like if Mariah was in any medical danger. No one seems to know the straightforward answer. If you lose a baby that late, you have to go to the hospital. And so sorry if this is like casting any memories for anyone listening to this because it's obviously a very serious thing. But yeah, at that point she, Miss girl would have to be at a hospital.
Misha Brown
Yeah, I mean it's. It's not an early on thing. This isn't just like. And nobody and nobody knows the answers. That is suspicious.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah. Allegedly. She went for a routine appointment and was told that she miscarried long ago. Mariah did not want to see anyone, specifically Jacob's family. As the event started to unfold, it was quickly revealed Mariah was actually pregnant but miscarried in the first trimester. She worked in medical billing at the hospital. It is believed that she was stealing other people's sonograms, passing them off and forging them as her own. She had lied and fooled everyone around her. And for what? I can only assume because she was a people pleaser and was maybe hoping that Josh would change. Needless to say, she got so many gifts from everyone. And for what? Everyone ended up getting scammed in some way. Anna having an infant under 1 years old ended up getting all of the gifts. Good for her. I guess not. Y'all took the gifts back. See, we knew Anna was shady from Jug cuz. Remember, Anna was like, I'm a photographer. How am I take pictures of you if I can't see your stomach, girl? Anna came and repoed this lady baby gifts.
Misha Brown
Well, fair. Wait, I'm. Wait, hold on. I need clarification. Are they saying that they all found out that she actually miscarried in the first trimester or that she. She. The story is that she was told she miscarried in the first trimester, so.
Lacey Mosley
They all found out. It was quickly revealed that Mariah was actually pregnant for real, but miscarried in the first trimester. But she worked in medical billing at the hospital. So she's over here stealing whoever else's, like, sonograms. And they're like, oh, ma'am, why are you printing out 12 copies? She's like, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. So here's one for you, one for the dad, one for me. Like, she. She's stealing other people's sonograms, changing the name on them and saying that they're hers.
Misha Brown
Diabolical.
Lacey Mosley
Now, remember, Jacob ain't. So he's not giving me, like, responsible dad who's gonna go to the checkups with you at the doctor. So he probably never went with her. He drinking beers and being ratchet. So she's just in there doctoring these at the hospital, which I'm sure is some kind of HIPAA violation or, like, crime, but still be. So she's doctoring these up and passing them off, and passing them off like, oh, oh, we got a new update. Oh, he kicked Al. And they're like, did. Did he? What's going on? So, yes. But what's curious to me is that how did Anna come up on all the. The baby shower gifts so fast?
Misha Brown
Yeah, she also pulled up. She was not going to do this over the phone. She wanted to go there. She wanted to speak face to face. She wanted Pam to go into the back and get me gifts, go into that vault and get me those presents that I bought.
Lacey Mosley
This is wild. Now, this woman might have been traumatized. We don't know what she's going through. She clearly has a bad partner, like, financial situation, probably in disarray. We don't know what that woman went through. So I'm not that hard on Mariah right now, but Ann or Emma. Now, ma'am, you don't want to repo this lady. Baby, you're crazy. So good for her, I guess, says Gavin, that family is trash. And she was smart enough to walk away, but she didn't have to do it like that. The situation where she was venting to me afterwards had me feeling like everything she did was just to gain sympathy. Jacob and Mariah were truly a match made in hell. Of course, though, Jacob's childish and not ready to be a father. He broke up with Mariah and went back to live with his folks. Though he is not a great human, I still feel for him and his family because of what this awful woman and did. Wherever Jacob is now, I sincerely hope he went to therapy and even begin to heal his emotional damage caused by this scammer. It also cracks me the absolute up thinking that Jacob was rubbing Mariah's stomach and there was no baby in there. Just too many tacos, perhaps. Wherever Mariah is in life right now, I'm just glad we both got away from those brothers and their families. I also scammed my ex in a sense, because on that. Because more on that in another email. Now. What did you do? Men are a scam. It's fine. But maybe don't fake an entire pregnancy and fool everyone around you. Take care, Gavin. Now, Gavin, how you gonna throw it at the end? Okay. But I also did scare my ex and run away from the family. But that's for another email. Don't even worry about that.
Misha Brown
Also, it was like watching a tennis match. She's just like, you know what? This ratched bitch to like. But I hope that she's doing okay. And I'm glad that she got away from that family.
Lacey Mosley
I really wish that ratchet ass well. Well, like what? Which is a Gavin.
Misha Brown
Oh, my God. Although. Yeah, I think that's so crazy. I thought it was going to go and they were just trying to scam people into getting the gift so that they could resell them. I thought that was going to be the scam.
Lacey Mosley
I did, too. That's what I thought, too. That's why when I was reading this, I was like, oh, twists and turns. Like, it is kind of Dr. Fish. Like, okay, I see where you're going.
Misha Brown
With this, but if we're, like, struggling because, like, think about it. If, like, you become pregnant and especially if the people that you're trying to impress, your boyfriend's family is going crazy because it's finally a boy. You were receiving so much positive attention, and then all of a sudden you're gonna lose that attention. And I can. You. You can. You can see, like, I can have empathy for somebody going through that, but it is still.
Lacey Mosley
And then also maybe thinking, like, this relationship isn't going that well. These people strike me as younger. It's not going that well. If I say I don't actually have a baby in me, is Jacob still going to stay with me?
Misha Brown
Right.
Lacey Mosley
You know, he's already not treating you that well. He got you going on beer runs when you got a full baby at your own baby shower. Why are you going on a beer run at your baby shower and you're pregnant and y'all going to 711 to get the beers? It's never anybody safe outside of a 7 11.
Misha Brown
Yeah, but. But the gone girl level of stealing people's sonograms is maybe that's a little far.
Lacey Mosley
At that point, she committed to the bit. It probably felt like espionage at that point.
Misha Brown
That's what I'm saying. If it was my bestie and she were sat in front of me and told me that story, I'd be like, girl, I think we need to. I think we need to talk to someone.
Lacey Mosley
Yeah, we gotta. I don't have the expertise, so get.
Misha Brown
On Z. I'm all for sticking it. All for sticking it to the man, but little far, little far.
Lacey Mosley
We stuck it a little too deep. And so I need you. I need you to reel it back. I need you to reel it back.
Misha Brown
This is.
Lacey Mosley
Imagine she handed somebody one of the sonograms that had her name on it. And it was like, oh, my bad. Oh, I changed it too early. Hold on, hold on. No, hold on, hold on, hold on. What's your name again? Okay. Sarah Jones. Yeah. No, this is still your baby. It's still your baby. I don't know why my name got put on there. Hold on one second. Like, what are you doing?
Misha Brown
Yeah, that one was whiplash from that one, right?
Lacey Mosley
And, I mean, Anna did come and repo the gift. So it's not like. But I love that Anna wasn't like, oh, everybody can have their gifts back and return them to Target. Anna was like, no, I will be taking the gifts for my baby. Anna was probably sitting there the whole time just green with envy because she wanted all those gifts and all that praise. That's why she started tinkering at her at first, was like, oh, you don't really look that big for, like, how am I gonna do your maternity shoot? Girl, I feel like Anna probably wasn't even really a maternity photographer. She was just like, yeah, girl, I do that. Mostly we do nude with the belly. I don't know. Just that. What if Anna knew about it? We have all types of conspiracies.
Misha Brown
What if Anna knew about.
Lacey Mosley
Anna would have picked up them gifts too fast.
Misha Brown
I see. I don't. Good for her. I think. Good for her. She saw an opportunity and she seized it.
Lacey Mosley
Well, if Mariah was smart, should have been like, yeah, it was all a hoax, and then y'all don't live together. So if the gifts are at your house, Girl, take them gifts and go return them. That's pain and suffering for dealing with.
Misha Brown
Pain and suffering for dealing with us trash ass drunks.
Lacey Mosley
Literally. I feel like Anna came over there under the guys are like, oh my God, girl, are you okay? I feel like she told Anna what happened and Anna told the whole family. And Anna was like, well, girl, the family told me to take all these gifts, so I'mma just load the truck up right now. Johnny boy, put that beer down. And then Johnny boy came in and took all the gifts away. Like she came over there under the guys of like, hey, girl, how are you? Just checking on you. And she was like, this is what happened. She was like, that is so sad, Johnny. And then Rob Mariah immediately.
Misha Brown
Oh, well, I do hope that I run into Mariah someday because she probably knows to get a good taco.
Lacey Mosley
I hope I never run into Mariah because I don't want to be around nobody who commits to that hard.
Misha Brown
She's gonna steal my information, my identity.
Lacey Mosley
She is. And she work at the hospital. No, I'm good. I'm good, Mariah. All right, well, that brings us to the end of a very fun mailbag episode. As always, if you want to stitch on your friends, family, your exes, your enemies, people, you damn too. Haven't Scam got a spot at gmail dot com. Misha, thank you so much for being here today. We always ask, where do you want to be found? Any socials, things like that?
Misha Brown
Yeah, you can find me on all socials at your bestie, Misha. And you can, yeah, check out my podcast, the Big Flop featuring Lacy Mosley.
Lacey Mosley
Yes, it's so good. I love your podcast and your social media. It's very fun. We need something to lighten the mood cuz the girls are. They just want to fight these days. I'm like, y'all, I mean, I can't fight this much. As always, y'all, if you want to see this week, I'll put up something fun and interesting for y'all since there's not going to be any photos. But if you want to see the photos from previous episodes or any of my shenanigans from the podcast, Scam got his pod on Instagram if you want to talk to me. Scam Goddess pod on Twitter if you want to follow me and my personal shenanigans. D I V A L A C I Diva Lacey on all platforms, y'all. All episodes. Episodes of Scam Goddess are airing right now on Hulu. You can stream them at your leisure. Stream, Tell a friend, spread the ministry, print out a pamphlet, get the word out. It's been doing really well. We trended on Hulu for many weeks. So thank you all for supporting. I appreciate it. And also watch Going Dutch. Going Dutch is also streaming on Hulu after it airs on Fox on Thursdays. And let me know if y'all figure out what the connection is between those shows, because they're dead. Definitely is one my books Game Goddess. You can buy online right now or hit one of those bookstores and help the bookstores like Misha. Help the bookstores. Okay, well buy it, but help them stay in business. Y'all know what I mean. Bye congregation. Y'all get out there and stay boosted. Boosting love, boosting positivity.
Misha Brown
There we go.
Lacey Mosley
This has been an earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming Every cup of Nespresso coffee.
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Scam Goddess Episode Summary: "Your Letters and Scams w/ Misha Brown"
Release Date: March 11, 2025
Guests: Misha Brown
Host: Laci Mosley
In this engaging episode of Scam Goddess, host Laci Mosley welcomes comedian and influencer Misha Brown to dive deep into the world of scams, sharing personal experiences and dissecting listener-submitted scam stories. The episode artfully blends humor with insightful analysis, offering listeners both laughter and valuable knowledge to recognize and avoid fraudulent schemes.
Laci opens the episode by introducing Misha Brown, highlighting his role as the host of the Wondery podcast The Big Flop. With over 4.3 million followers across various platforms, Misha brings a wealth of experience in uncovering pop culture's biggest flops and scams. Their camaraderie sets a lighthearted yet informative tone for the episode.
Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [02:04]: "We're gonna have a mailbag episode today... so we’re going to have fun with you."
The conversation shifts to discuss prevalent scams in the retail and fashion industries. Laci humorously intertwines advertisements about brands like Nordstrom Rack, juxtaposing genuine brand promotions with discussions about potential frauds in these sectors.
Notable Quote:
Misha Brown [07:07]: "Sandra, so my recording scam emails offer, like, $5,000 prepaid... but really, what they wanna do is get..."
Laci Mosley [14:04]: "So, Misha, we always ask on this podcast, what is your relationship with scams?"
Misha recounts a clever scam from his college days where he orchestrated the theft of expensive textbooks. By stealing books his friends needed and selling them at used bookstores, he managed to undercut prices for students while simultaneously benefiting the bookstore. This act, reminiscent of Robin Hood, sparked a discussion on the fine line between theft and altruism.
Notable Quote:
Misha Brown [09:06]: "I was being scammed while I scamed."
The heart of the episode features a mailbag segment, where Laci and Misha analyze three listener-submitted scam stories. Each story is meticulously broken down, highlighting red flags and offering insights into how such scams operate.
Summary:
A listener named Alex describes a suspicious scenario at a hair salon in Dayton, Ohio. Her mother was lured into ostensibly buying designer clothes from men who delivered boxes under false pretenses. The clothes were marked up and sold while retaining their original tags, indicating theft and resale fraud.
Notable Quotes:
Laci Mosley [19:26]: "So Alex says, my mom took me to a new hairdresser when I was like, 11 or 12 in Dayton."
Misha Brown [25:41]: "Not usually, no."
Analysis:
Laci and Misha identify several red flags, including the unusual presence of men with boxes in a hair salon and the use of lighters to remove security tags—practices indicative of theft and fraud.
Summary:
Jason Bourne shares his experience with a fraudulent email claiming eligibility for student loan forgiveness. The scam demanded immediate action and payment for processing fees, ultimately attempting to drain his bank account. Fortunately, his bank flagged the suspicious activity, preventing significant financial loss.
Notable Quotes:
Laci Mosley [31:04]: "We don't know how you're going to call us during 8am to 5pm on a Tuesday?"
Misha Brown [37:07]: "Classic scam. We gotta pay a little bit."
Analysis:
The episode highlights common tactics in financial scams, such as urgency, unsolicited offers, and requests for personal information, emphasizing the importance of skepticism and verification through official channels.
Summary:
Gavin recounts a convoluted scam involving his ex-boyfriend Mariah and her family. Mariah feigned a pregnancy, securing gifts and sympathy from Jacob’s close-knit family. The deception culminated in the revelation that Mariah had miscarried in the first trimester and had been stealing and forging sonograms from her workplace to maintain the facade.
Notable Quotes:
Laci Mosley [53:22]: "But Jacob's childish and not ready to be a father."
Misha Brown [60:20]: "Diabolical."
Analysis:
This intricate scam showcases how perpetrators exploit emotional vulnerabilities and manipulate trusted relationships to achieve their fraudulent objectives. The hosts discuss the psychological aspects behind such scams and the devastating impact on victims.
Throughout the episode, Laci and Misha share strategies to identify and avoid various scams. They stress the importance of:
Notable Quote:
Misha Brown [37:25]: "They know that if they just do it 300 times a day, they just need one person to be excited or be in a moment where like... clouds their judgment."
As the episode wraps up, Laci and Misha encourage listeners to submit their scam stories for future mailbag episodes. They also promote their respective platforms and podcasts, fostering a community of Scam Goddess listeners dedicated to exposing fraud.
Notable Quote:
Laci Mosley [68:10]: "Y'all get out there and stay boosted. Boosting love, boosting positivity."
"Your Letters and Scams w/ Misha Brown" offers a compelling blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and critical analysis of various scams. By dissecting real-life scam stories and sharing expert insights, Laci Mosley and Misha Brown equip listeners with the knowledge to recognize and thwart fraudulent schemes, all while keeping the atmosphere lively and entertaining.
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