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Podcast Summary: The Big Dig Presents: Catching The Codfather

Host: Ian Coss (GBH News)
Episode: Introducing Season Three: Catching The Codfather
Date: February 4, 2026

Overview

This episode introduces Season Three of the acclaimed podcast, "The Big Dig," focusing on the dramatic saga of Carlos Rafael—known as “The Codfather”—a fishing tycoon from New Bedford, Massachusetts. Rafael’s story is one of ambition, secrecy, immense influence, and ultimately, criminal downfall. The season promises to delve deep into how one man came to dominate America’s most lucrative fishing port, the hush surrounding his business practices, and the broader system that enabled and contested his rule.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Carlos Rafael: From Businessman to Legend

Origins: Carlos Rafael started as a modest businessman and amassed control over the largest fish plant and fleet in New Bedford, MA.
Nickname “The Codfather”: His dominance and mystique earned him this nickname around the docks.
Quote:

“The name of the game is sharpen your knife.” — Carlos Rafael (00:39)

2. Unstoppable Growth Amid Industry Decline

As the broader fishing industry suffered—e.g., a drastic “77% cut in the cod catch”—Rafael thrived.
Mystery: The community “wasn’t quite sure how he was able to keep it up.” (00:43–00:51)

3. Rumors, Suspicions, and Sting Operations

Law enforcement suspicion hovered for years.

“Some agencies thought he was involved in human trafficking or smuggling. Some people thought it was drugs.” — Interviewee (01:08)
The truth, however, was more complex and more carefully guarded.

4. The Slip-Up and Downfall

Rafael was ultimately caught due to an elaborate sting operation, involving undercover personas:
- “Hi, this is Xavier. How you doing? That's the salesman. How's it going? I'm Bob… Sergey.” — Carlos Rafael (01:18–01:25)
Regret:

“I regret that for the rest of my life. That son of a bitch. They would have never, never got me. But hey, it’s over.” — Carlos Rafael (01:25–01:47)

5. Why Did He Do It?

Not simply for profit:

“It was not for the money.” — Carlos Rafael (01:59)
The host, Ian Coss, probes the deeper motivations and contradictions behind Rafael’s crimes.

6. A Complicated and Divisive Figure

Perceptions:
- “When you first met him, you’d say, oh, this guy’s a mafiaso. But actually, he had a heart in the fishing industry.” — Interviewee (02:10)
- “If he wasn’t born crooked, he must have learned it before he could talk.” — Interviewee (02:21)
He inspires strong opinions: jealousy, fury, and unlikely loyalty—even sympathy from some.
On accountability:

“Do you blame him for what he did? Do you think what he did is wrong?” — Ian Coss (02:41)
“No, I don’t.” — Carlos Rafael & Interviewee (02:42–02:43)

7. Moral Ambiguity and Systemic Critique

The episode sets up a key question for the season:
- Is Rafael “a folk hero, a crook, a righteous rebel, a selfish con man”?
- To judge his crimes, listeners must understand the convoluted fishing industry and the systemic pressures in play.

8. Season Three’s Broader Canvas

The story unfolds “down on the docks, where food, work, nature, money and politics all meet.”
Places and people involved are described as where “dreams are born,” “fortunes are ruined,” and “the watchful eye of the government is always present.” (02:44–02:57)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Carlos Rafael, on being snared:

"I regret that for the rest of my life. That son of a bitch. They would have never, never got me. But hey, it's over." (01:25–01:47)
Community Perceptions:

"When you first met him, you'd say, oh, this guy's a mafiaso. But actually, he had a heart in the fishing industry." — Interviewee (02:10)
On Rafael's Morality:

"If he wasn't born crooked, he must have learned it before he could talk." — Interviewee (02:21)
Host on the season’s mission:

"I believe in order to judge the crimes of Carlos Rafael, you have to understand the business he was in and the entire system he set out to break." — Ian Coss (02:44)

Timestamps for Important Segments

00:00–00:51: Introduces Rafael’s arrest and legendary status
00:52–01:16: Industry decline and suspicious prosperity
01:17–01:47: Sting operation and Rafael’s regret
01:48–02:09: Host’s inquiry into Rafael’s true motivations
02:10–02:25: Community perceptions and the divisiveness of Rafael’s character
02:26–02:57: Framing the season’s moral and societal questions

Conclusion

This season preview sets the stage for a gripping exploration—not just of Carlos Rafael’s personal saga, but of the murky world of commercial fishing, government regulation, and community identities. Listeners can expect a nuanced look at crime, culture, and the American experience as the season unfolds.

First episode drops February 11 on The Big Dig.

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[00:00]
A
Can you tell me about how you did ultimately get arrested?
[00:08]
B
This all started a few years back when I wanted to sell my business.
[00:21]
A
Carlos Rafael was once in the fishing business. He owned the biggest fish plant and the biggest fleet of boats in the most valuable fishing port in America, Newborn Bedford, Massachusetts. And he had built it all himself. Around the docks, people called him the Codfather.
[00:39]
B
The name of the game is sharpen your knife.
[00:44]
A
For decades, Carlos seemed unstoppable, unbeatable. And no one was quite sure how he was able to keep it up.
[00:51]
B
Never has there been a ban this long.
[00:54]
A
Even as the fishing industry struggled all around him. A dramatic 77% cut in in the cod catch. Carlos kept on growing. But underneath that juggernaut of a business, there was a secret.
[01:08]
C
Some agencies thought he was involved in human trafficking or smuggling. Some people thought it was drugs.
[01:12]
A
A secret that Carlos guarded very carefully.
[01:15]
B
Those are both names? Yes.
[01:17]
A
Until he slipped up.
[01:18]
B
Hi, this is Xavier. How you doing? That's the salesman. How's it going? I'm Bob.
[01:25]
A
Sergey.
[01:26]
B
Hello. Hello. I regret that for the rest of my life. That son of a bitch. They would have never, never got me. But hey, it's over.
[01:47]
A
I knew all of this already. When I sat down to talk with Carlos Rafael. What I wanted to know was why he did it, why he risked everything, why he broke the law.
[02:00]
B
It was not for the money.
[02:01]
A
And the deeper I looked, the more complicated that question became. Because Carlos Rafael is a complicated man.
[02:11]
C
When you first met him, you'd say, oh, this guy's a mafiaso. But actually, he had a heart in the fishing industry.
[02:19]
A
He remains a deeply divisive figure.
[02:22]
B
If he wasn't born crooked, he must have learned it before he could talk.
[02:26]
A
Someone who inspires jealousy, fury. He is a product of his own moral depravity. And someone who, despite all his crimes, all his deceptions, a lot of people continue to root for. Do you blame him for what he did? Do you think what he did is wrong?
[02:42]
B
No, I don't.
[02:43]
C
No, I don't.
[02:45]
A
So who is the Codfather really? A folk hero. A crook. A righteous rebel. A selfish con man. I believe in order to judge the crimes of Carlos Rafael, you have to understand the business he was in and the entire system he set out to break. So in season three of the Big Dig, we go down to the docks to a place where food, work, nature, money and politics all meet. A place where dreams are born, fortunes are ruined, and the watchful eye of the government is always present. It's called catching The Codfather, episode one drops February 11th, right here on the Big Dig.