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You're listening to Self Conscious with Chrissy Teigen, an Audible original podcast. Join me as we explore the cutting edge of health, wellness and personal growth with the world's leading experts and thinkers. From inspiring stories to actionable insights, our conversations aim to help you lead a healthier, happier and more productive life. Let's be honest, finding love today is exhausting. Between the apps, the swipes and the endless pressure to find your person, a lot of us are done with it. That's why I wanted to talk to someone who's made a career out of helping people find connection the old fashioned way. Seema Thaparia, better known as Seema from Mumbai, is the world's most famous matchmaker thanks to Netflix's Indian Matchmaking. Her new audiobook youk Perfect Partner won't be perfect More might just be the antidote to modern dating burnout. She says what most of us don't wanna hear, no one gets 100%. Real love isn't about finding a flawless person. It's about building something real with the right person and learning to bend instead of break. Today, Seema joins me to talk about why perfection is ruining our love lives. How to tell the difference between settling and growing, and why flexibility might be the most romantic trait of all. Because maybe the secret to love isn't about getting everything you want. It's about actually liking the person you're going to see every day. Seema Thaparia, welcome to Self Conscious. Thank you so much for being here today.
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Thank you. Thank you Chrissy.
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I love hearing about my friends that are still dating and still trying to find that person. So I'm so excited to talk to you today. Thank you for being here.
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Even I'm excited today to be with you all. Good evening my friends.
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Good evening. So what do you hope readers take away from your perfect partner won't be perfect. Especially those people out there who may feel a little bit burned out or just lost when it comes to finding love.
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Chrissy I want people to know that love isn't about finding someone perfect, it's about finding someone real. When you stop finding someone perfect, then the connection starts and a happy relationship is built on understanding, courage and kindness. And when this is there then the courage it starts growing in the couple.
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Do you think it's important to be physically attracted to somebody?
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Yeah, little physical attraction is a must. But other thing is that their thoughts little understanding to be little flexible. Those things also very important in life to choose a partner.
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Who taught you about matchmaking?
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Since childhood I had an ability to talk to people, to be social, to understand, to scan them, to filter them. I had. God had given me all these qualities. So since childhood, always had a dream, I have to do something in life, that the whole world loves me and respect me. And I have to do something because sitting in the house, nothing is going to click. I have to work hard, I have to do something. I like to talk to people. So I said, why not? I start this matchmaking. It's a very good form of helping the people who are hunting for partners. And I became matchmaker in 2005.
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That's when I started dating.
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And that was my passion. And when we work for the passion, when we work hard, when we focus, then we get success.
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When you were little, were you surrounded by a lot of happy couples?
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Yeah, I used to always like them. And the first match I did 25 years ago was my own sister who is happily married in Boston.
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Wow.
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Yeah, I did her match first, so then I got confidence.
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So what did that first experience teach you about what actually makes two people work, Chrissy?
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After the match we get divine blessings and I feel sense of satisfaction.
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I cannot imagine how many weddings you've been to.
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Yeah, yeah. I don't go everywhere, but I've done a lot of matchmaking.
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Can you tell us about the different types of marriages?
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There are only two types of marriages. Arranged marriage and love marriage.
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Wow.
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I promote arranged marriages. The concept of arranged marriage, that is only in India and one or two countries. Arranged marriage is also a form of love marriage. The reason is Krishi. We give the options to them and when they like it, they meet. And if they don't like, they reject it. So it is like a form of love marriage. But in arranged marriage there is a support of two families. That's the beauty. There is a human touch in the middle. There is a mediator in the middle. That's the beauty of arranged marriage.
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I really do think it's beautiful when two people get married. It's the joining of two families. You know, I had a very small family growing up, not a ton of cousins. And I just loved the fact that when I married John, I was marrying into so many beautiful cousins and nieces and nephews. And for me, that was the most beautiful, beautiful, amazing part of it. When you do take on a client, tell me about that first call that you have with them. What kind of questions are you asking? What are they saying? What age do you typically work with? I'm so curious.
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Age is anything because they are coming for a help to me. Mostly in India, people start getting married in the age of 22. So from 22 to 50 anybody is welcome. Everybody can come. And I am there to just to help them. So they can come with their age. Then in India it's called biodata. What is biodata? It's a form. In that it's written their name, their age, their studies, their business, their parents. Where do they stay and what are their hobbies. What type of person they want. So when they call Simaji, my cousin is there, my sister is there. My daughter is there. My son is there. They want to get married. Then I ask them their criteria. First. What type of boy, girl you want, which place you want in India or abroad. Then I ask all their details. Their food habits, their culture, everything I have to ask them. After that I make a point to go to their house. I fly from Mumbai. But I don't go in us. It's only by zoom call or something. But nearby I can go to. I go to London, I go to Dubai, Singapore. Anything in India. I go to their house, I meet the client. I meet their parents. I have food in their house. To see how they are living in the house. Because what I have seen I have to match according to that. People want equal type of match. So I go, I watch everything. I ask the criteria. I see their business. I ask their wants and dislikes and likes many things. I scan and then I match. That's my goodwill, Krishi. People come to me because of my goodwill.
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How do you know when two people are genuinely compatible?
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I have a sixth sense. I have a gut feeling. When I ask their criteria. When I scan them, when I filter them then I come to know this match can get matched with that. But it's not always positive. It may flop sometimes. But again we have to give them options. Because always it's not right.
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Part of your process which I love includes astrology and face reading. Can you tell us all about the art of face reading?
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This all art is a traditional art in India. We have palm readers, we have astrologers. We have face readers. This is a traditional science of India. My face reader. He has studied for 20 years of his life.
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What are they looking for? What's the face reader looking at?
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Just you go and sit. Whenever you come to India, I will take you to the face reader.
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Oh. I've had too much done to my face. I don't have my face anymore.
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No, no, no, no. Just by our eyes, by our forehead. He comes to know the future.
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Really.
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He will tell your past that's the beauty.
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Can it be on zoom?
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Yeah, he can be on zoom also. I will tell him to come on zoom.
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Do you have one face reader that you love in particular?
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Yeah, I have only one because I believe in him. So he's there in all my shows.
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What's his name?
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His name is Mr. Janardhan Shastri.
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They're looking at you said forehead and eyes.
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Eyes and forehead. And they can predict.
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Is it the shape of the nose and like the length of the forehead and the.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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He will say you have a pointed nose. He will predict for that. You have the big forehead. He will predict for that. Then he will tell you just do your eyes this way. Then he will predict from that that all signs he has studied for 20 years.
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Do you believe in the energy of a person? So when you just get in front of them, right. There's charisma or there's like fire and spark. And I personally feel that with every person I meet. Whether it's a friend or anybody.
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Yeah. I have a sixth sense.
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Yeah.
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When I talk on phone also I can judge the person. That's the beauty. Because when I talk I come to know she's this type of nature.
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Yeah.
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She's that way. Because the way how they speak and the way how their voices, they're low, high. Many things we can judge by talking. I come to know what type of personality she is. Whether she's warm, whether she's angry. We come to know by phone itself. Yeah.
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How has your own 42 year marriage shaped the advice that you give to others?
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Chrissy. I am from south India. There is a state called Karnataka in south India. And there is a small town called Gulbarga. I am born and raised in Lahoti family. My family's name is Lahoti from Gulbarga and very rich and very influential family. So I was born there. Then. At that time there was no system of love marriage. So mine is a arranged marriage. My aunt was a cupid and we follow horoscope. So then the horoscope was matched and the two status of the families were matched. I married in the Mumbai Taparia group of industries. The marriages are between two families. That is the beauty in India Indian culture. Though the two families matched, the culture matched and I was only 19 and a half and my husband was 21. So my in laws, the Tapariya people, they came to Gulbarga. They met me. They met everybody and they liked everything. My father went to Mumbai. He saw the unity of the family. The business, the people were so warm and good. That's also very important. They saw everything and they both people liked each other. And the best part was the horoscope matched. If the horoscope would have not matched then they could have not gone ahead. That you have to match it. Then they all came to Gulbarga. They saw me and we had only 30 minutes meeting. Then it was finalized. It was an arranged marriage and it was finalized that I'm going to get married to Tapariya family. Then I went to Mumbai from a small place. It was my dream city. Then I had a passion that I want to do something. The whole world should know me. That's all. I want to do something good thing. That people should love me and respect me. So I got love and respect. And fame was the byproduct. What I got, I never worked for fame. Because my show, the Indian matchmaking rocked the world in 190 countries. I got recognition, love, respect and fame in this show. And my dreams were God. I had manifested in the childhood that I should get love and respect from the world. And wherever I go just they come and say Sivanti, we love you. You are so honest, so nice. A reality show. We love you. And my manifestation got success. People call me a world icon. But God is great, Krishi. God is great. I thank God every time.
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Tell me about what you manifested as a child.
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When I was in fourth grade our prime minister was there. Indira Gandhi. This is 1975. So she came to Karnataka. Gulbarga, my place. They come in an open car and we all are standing next to the roads in the bright scorching sun. And she's coming in the jeep and she's waving. Oh, she's waving both the sides. And we are happy that we are getting one glimpse of our Prime Minister. And then I thought in my mind. I sowed a seed in my mind. See, one day even I should get so much of love and respect from the world. I just started manifesting that even I should get something. That people should love me and they should appreciate me. So that was the thing. But Krissy, we have to work for that. If you sit in the house and if you dream your things doesn't get manifested. You have to work for that. So that was my manifestation.
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What can you learn from walking into someone's home that you'd never seen on an app or profile?
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You see in app you cannot see anything. And many times they are fake also. Actually I would say that all these apps are there. People are Going now they are fed up of these apps, I'm telling you because they are not finding a right partner in the apps. And in India we are starting a new show, Day Night Life. We have recorded two episodes in that the real people come on the stage and, and they find their partners because without eye contact, you will not find a good partner. You have to meet, you have to have eye contact. Then you understand the personality of a partner. So people are little fed up that in this bumble or this dating apps and all, they're not finding a good partner.
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I would, I agree with that. I have a lot of friends that are dating and the app thing, it just, it devastates them. The messaging, the small talk and then there's, you know, obviously so many weirdos on it as well. But yeah, I think everything that has like big buzz like that and for as many years as it was flourishing and doing well, everything goes full circle and people are going back around to just wanting to meet somebody at the grocery store or I have a lot of friends that are just trying to get out socially and not do the bar thing anymore. They're trying to go out and they make pottery and they want to meet somebody. Like just doing like minded things. I do feel like the app thing feels like it's dying down a little bit.
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So I don't give more importance to the app because it's not. People are not successful in that.
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Oh, I thank God that there were not apps when I was dating. I would have ran through everybody. Do you ever work with clients who are dating both Seema's Way and on Tinder at the same time or Grindr or Hinge.
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They come to me, I have to work for them.
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Yeah.
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Whether they are going to dating apps or anywhere, I'm not bothered. It is their lookout. They are coming to me. Oh, with the buy data, please help me. I'm helping them.
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Yeah. Have they ever come to you with somebody that they already thought was maybe a good match for them and said, do you think this person that I've been talking to is a good match for me? Someone that they found?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people come also and they take my guidance. My guidance is very important. They come and tell me, oh, you help us whether we should go with this or that. They come and help, take my help. But in app there is no human touch, there is no mediator in the middle. And in my way, I get the two families together in a systematic way. And in arranged marriage there is a support of two families. If anything goes Wrong. The two families are standing together. But in the app, in the bumble or anything, you don't know anything about the person. So that's the drawback.
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Is there any intimacy before? Is there a kiss? Is there anything that happens before the
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marriage that I don't know because I have not gone and seen there what is going to happen?
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Not my business.
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My work is done when they are meeting, when they have told, okay, we are going to go in the future together. I have done a good job in the future. I don't know what they are going to do.
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How are modern Indian women changing the rules of matchmaking? Do you feel like there's going to be many more love marriages versus arranged marriages? How do you see this working out?
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Actually, after the show, many ladies called me mothers that my son want to do or my daughter want to do arranged marriage because they have understood the concept of arranged marriage. Arranged marriage means that you're meeting the person and if you're not liking it, you can reject that. You are getting options in that you
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have helped thousands upon thousands of people look for love. But for the listeners like me who are already in a relationship or a marriage, what is one piece of advice you'd give to them to make it stronger? Starting today, I would tell all the
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people my client, you have certain negative and positive. Even the boy or the girl or the person has it. So don't judge by that, oh she or he is having so many negative qualities or that way because few they will have positive and negative. Even you have so what you like in the person you have to accept and move forward. That I can tell. And if you're stuck to those qualities of all negatives or all dislikes and all, then your things will not go ahead. So a big advice I'll give that you should not be picky and don't see all the bad qualities in the person. See his nature, see his heart, see the upbringing. All those qualities counts a lot for a good partner.
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I will say too that I think one thing that has really always stuck with me about my relationship with John is that he has stuck with me through every season. There has been times where I was not present. I was not my best self at all. And he was there for me then just as much as he's there for me now when I feel confident and happy and feel fulfilled. That same love was given to me when I wasn't all these things too. And so yeah, I would again with the patience.
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That's the beauty of a good partner. Yeah, that's the beauty.
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Yeah. Appreciate people for their different seasons.
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We'll say different seasons. Appreciate that.
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Different chapters, different seasons, everything.
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He's always stood with you.
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There's nothing more that I want for my life than to be the same with him.
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It's give and take. What is marriage? A beautiful union of two people. But a little adjustment is required. Little understanding is required. And be loyal and trustworthy to your partner. Little patience is required in today's youth. Patience is not there. In our time, we had lot of patience. When you follow these small, small things, then you will never say that marriage is hard. But if you don't understand, if you are not flexible, if you're not loyal and the, I mean the system of giving, sharing, taking. These three things, which are coming from thousands of years. If you follow these small things in today's youth, they are not sharing, they are not giving, they are not helping, they are not taking. If we are following these things, then marriage is not difficult because these things we are doing everywhere. I will not use the word compromise because people have not liked this word. So I use the word understanding. It's the same meaning, but little you understand, little you be patient, little you be flexible. Give space to your partner. And little loyal and trust and giving and sharing. If little, if you follow, then marriage is not hard at all.
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Seema, I want to thank you for joining me today on Self Conscious. Seema Taparia's your Perfect Partner Won't Be Perfect is available on Audible. Until then, tune in, turn on and feel better. This is Chrissy Teigen and you've been listening to to Self Conscious, an Audible original podcast. This has been an Audible original produced by Audible, Q Code and Huntley Productions, Hosted by Chrissy Teigen Written and executive produced by Jimmy Jelinek Executive producers for Q Code Shen Yan Hu and Alexa Gabrielle Ramirez Executive producer for Huntley Productions Chrissy Teigen Executive producers for Audible Andy Beckerman, Stacey Creamer Recorded and engineered by Ben Milchev Filmed by Bridger Clements Production coordinator Brian Coulter. Edited, mixed and mastered by Ben Milchev Head of Creative development at Audible Kate Navin Chief Content Officer Rachel Giazza Copyright 2024 by Audible Originals, LLC. Sound Recording Copyright 2025 by Audible Original.
Self-Conscious with Chrissy Teigen
Episode: Sima Taparia: Why Perfection Is Ruining Your Love Life
Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Chrissy Teigen
Guest: Sima Taparia, renowned matchmaker and star of Netflix’s Indian Matchmaking
In this heartfelt and insightful episode, Chrissy Teigen speaks with Sima Taparia (“Sima from Mumbai”), celebrated matchmaker and author of Your Perfect Partner Won’t Be Perfect. They delve into how the relentless pursuit of perfection is sabotaging modern love lives, the real meaning behind arranged marriage, the nuanced difference between “settling” and “growing,” and the essential role of flexibility and understanding in relationships. Sima shares her seasoned wisdom, personal journey, and culturally-rooted perspectives on matchmaking, love, and marriage.
“Love isn't about finding someone perfect, it's about finding someone real. When you stop finding someone perfect, then the connection starts.”
(Sima, 02:22)
“Little physical attraction is a must. But... understanding, to be little flexible—those things also very important in life to choose a partner.”
(Sima, 02:53)
“When we work for passion, when we work hard, when we focus, then we get success.”
(Sima, 03:54)
“Arranged marriage is also a form of love marriage... But in arranged marriage there is a support of two families. That’s the beauty.”
(Sima, 04:52)
“I meet the client. I meet their parents. I have food in their house. To see how they are living... I scan and then I match. That's my goodwill.”
(Sima, 06:02)
“I have a sixth sense. I have a gut feeling... But it's not always positive. It may flop sometimes.”
(Sima, 07:53)
“This is a traditional science of India... My face reader has studied for 20 years of his life.”
(Sima, 08:26)
“When I talk on phone also I can judge the person. That's the beauty.”
(Sima, 10:03)
“I sowed a seed in my mind... one day even I should get so much of love and respect from the world.”
(Sima, 13:14)
“People are going, now they are fed up of these apps, I'm telling you ... because they are not finding a right partner in the apps.”
(Sima, 14:20)
“Don't judge by that, oh they have so many negative qualities... you have to accept and move forward.”
(Sima, 18:36)
“A little adjustment is required. Little understanding is required. Be loyal and trustworthy. Little patience is required in today’s youth.”
(Sima, 20:16)
“If little, if you follow, then marriage is not hard at all.”
(Sima, 21:45)
On Perfection in Partners:
“No one gets 100%. Real love isn’t about finding a flawless person. It’s about building something real…”
(Chrissy, summary of Sima's philosophy, 00:29)
On Marriage Longevity:
“What is marriage? A beautiful union of two people. But a little adjustment is required... If you are not flexible, if you’re not loyal... marriage is hard.”
(Sima, 20:16)
On Human Touch vs. Dating Apps:
“In app, you cannot see anything... in arranged marriage there is a support of two families. If anything goes wrong, the two families are standing together.”
(Sima, 14:20 & 16:24)
Chrissy’s Reflection on Partnership:
“There has been times where I was not present. I was not my best self at all. And he was there for me then just as much as now... That same love was given to me when I wasn't all these things too.”
(Chrissy, 19:21)
Chrissy and Sima’s candid, cross-cultural conversation invites listeners to reflect on rigid expectations and rediscover the deeper essentials of forming and nurturing long-term relationships. Through stories, gentle humor, and seasoned wisdom, Sima Taparia champions flexibility, understanding, and true partnership—urging us all to seek real connection over unattainable ideals.