Brian Posehn

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Senses Working Overtime with David Cross" Featuring Brian Posehn

Podcast Information:

• Title: Senses Working Overtime with David Cross
• Host: David Cross (Headgum)
• Guest: Brian Posehn
• Release Date: April 10, 2025

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1. Welcome and Setting the Scene

The episode begins with David Cross warmly welcoming Brian Posehn to the podcast. Brian arrives with a special gift for David—a set of skateboard comics he created for Image, sparking an initial casual conversation about their favorite pieces.

Notable Quote:

• [00:52] David Cross: "All right, well, which is the one that's going to be the most valuable? Oh, Jesus. Pulling a Mark Norman dummy."

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2. Exploring "Nerd Poker" and Dungeons & Dragons

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Brian’s podcast, Nerd Poker, which focuses on playing Dungeons & Dragons (D&D). Brian explains how he started the podcast to reconnect with friends and indulge in his love for D&D, emphasizing the fun and creativity involved.

Notable Quotes:

• [04:09] Brian Posehn: "We just play D&D and record it."
• [05:27] David Cross: "I simply, mostly 80% of these podcasts is just being silly."
• [07:35] David Cross: "So, tell me about your freaking Dungeons and Dragons thing again. That's where everybody's doing now."

Key Points:

• Brian discusses the role of the Dungeon Master (DM) and the preparation it entails.
• The camaraderie and unpredictability of D&D sessions.
• David Cross shares his brief and less immersive experience with D&D, highlighting the contrast between structured fantasy leagues and creative role-playing.

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3. Personal Lives and Parenting

The conversation shifts to personal aspects, focusing on parenting and how it intersects with their professional lives. David talks about his daughter’s interests and the balance he maintains between being a father and a comedian.

Notable Quotes:

• [27:29] David Cross: "But she came to it on her own, collecting baseball cards."
• [75:49] David Cross: "And she just turned eight, like, last week on stage."

Key Points:

• Brian shares stories about his son’s gaming interests and how parenting has influenced his perspective.
• David discusses the challenges of parenting, such as handling grief over his dog Ollie's passing and introducing his daughter to complex topics like those from "Human Centipede."

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4. Doppelgangers and Public Recognition

A humorous segment ensues as Brian and David discuss encountering people who resemble them, leading to funny anecdotes about mistaken identities and the quirks of fame.

Notable Quotes:

• [19:53] David Cross: "The guys that look like me and the women that love them."
• [20:03] Brian Posehn: "No, but there's guys that look scarily like me."

Key Points:

• Brian recounts instances where fans mistook others for him, leading to amusing interactions.
• David reflects on how his distinct appearance sometimes makes him a target for mistaken identity.

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5. Touring, Performing, and the Life of a Comedian

Brian and David delve into the realities of touring and performing stand-up comedy, discussing the highs and lows, the loneliness on the road, and the dynamics of having opening acts.

Notable Quotes:

• [57:49] Brian Posehn: "And that he's taking on other comics and talking about the state of comedy when a lot of us are quiet about it."
• [58:04] David Cross: "You're not getting paid for the hour I'm on stage. I'm getting paid for the other 23 hours of my life."

Key Points:

• The logistical and emotional challenges of touring with responsibilities like family.
• The camaraderie and support among comedians, as well as the occasional frustrations.
• Brian emphasizes the importance of having fellow comedians set the tone for a show’s energy.

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6. Creative Projects: Writing Comics and Books

Brian introduces his creative ventures, including his recent comic books like Grommets and Rifters. He discusses the inspiration behind these projects, drawing from personal experiences such as working in skate shops during the '80s.

Notable Quotes:

• [61:57] Brian Posehn: "Rifters is basically like time travel with the police procedural."
• [66:26] David Cross: "I think you were a jackass still. But I wasn't like a messy drunk."

Key Points:

• Brian collaborates with friends to create engaging and creator-owned content.
• The blend of personal anecdotes with fictional storytelling enriches his comic narratives.
• David shares his enthusiasm for Brian’s projects and hints at his own creative ideas inspired by the conversation.

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7. Closing Thoughts and Final Banter

As the episode draws to a close, Brian and David engage in light-hearted banter, including a mock segment of Wayne Brady's "What If?" podcast and playful exchanges about answering children's questions. They reflect on the joys and challenges of creativity, parenting, and maintaining personal connections amidst professional demands.

Notable Quotes:

• [70:10] Brian Posehn: "They're racist."
• [71:00] David Cross: "What's her favorite Mr. Show sketch? Your daughter's."

Key Points:

• The importance of humor and creativity in navigating personal and professional life.
• Shared experiences that highlight their enduring friendship and mutual respect.

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Conclusion

In this engaging episode of "Senses Working Overtime with David Cross," host David Cross and guest Brian Posehn explore a wide array of topics ranging from creative projects and role-playing games to the intricacies of parenting and the life of touring comedians. Their candid and humorous dialogue provides listeners with insightful glimpses into their personal lives, creative processes, and the enduring bonds of friendship. Whether discussing the nuances of D&D or the challenges of maintaining familial relationships, David and Brian offer a compelling and entertaining conversation that resonates with fans and newcomers alike.

Notable Closing Quote:

• [74:50] Brian Posehn: "But she's great. She's goofy, is like super playful. Doesn't know her own size."

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Transcript

[David Cross]

This is a Headgum podcast.

[Brian Posehn]

Or wherever you want me. Which one is one of three? Probably. Yeah, for my big fat ass.

[David Cross]

How you doing, man?

[Brian Posehn]

Good, man. I brought these for you.

[David Cross]

Thank you very much.

[Brian Posehn]

It's that skateboard comic I did for Image. It's the first six issues.

[David Cross]

All right, well, which is the one that's going to be the most valuable? Oh, Jesus. Pulling a Mark Norman dummy.

[Brian Posehn]

You do that?

[David Cross]

Yeah. Oh, dude. But also, like, did, like, blatant farting and, like, didn't try to hide. Like, that was.

[Brian Posehn]

That one snuck out. I wasn't trying.

[David Cross]

No, no, I know, I know. No, Norman was like this, like, lifting up his jig. I was just. What are you. Casey, will you grab these? Well, I can put them.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, awesome.

[David Cross]

No, I'll put them on the table. That way people can see them if they're. All right. Do you want anything to drink or anything? Chomps? Do you want a Chomp Beef stick? Are they. Casey? Is that a new. What do you call it? Client, I think it's a sponsor.

[Brian Posehn]

That's not real. It's just. It's just a snack Anya really likes.

[David Cross]

Oh, I. We just had that conversation. Yes. Sorry. Oh, I think this is Joe's water. I'll take that. Thank you.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And from last week, of course. I wouldn't do two podcasts in a row and then distribute them a week later.

[Brian Posehn]

I don't care how you do it.

[David Cross]

I'm just letting the. Letting Casey the engineer do it. No. All right. Oh, am I on pause? Who's that?

[Brian Posehn]

Who was Joe?

[David Cross]

Oh, Mandy.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, okay.

[David Cross]

Yeah, we went on a extended. Who is that? That guy looks really. Is that Probs? Yeah, it is Probs. No. Wow. First Wayne Brady, then Brian Pose, then Greg Proops.

[Brian Posehn]

What goes on?

[David Cross]

It's. I don't even know what Head San Francisco reunion. Who's your. Who's your favorite? Brian? You don't. I think that would be. That would take a long time to answer.

[Brian Posehn]

I stepped into that one.

[David Cross]

There's a long list, I believe, over.

[Brian Posehn]

50 years of listening.

[David Cross]

I told you Greg Proops was here.

[Brian Posehn]

Why are you throwing a Shaka bra?

[David Cross]

Exactly. I was saying the same thing.

[Brian Posehn]

Let's wrap it up.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

This means ain't no thing but a chicken wing.

[David Cross]

I know. So why did you go wrap it up and, like, hang ten? Kind of.

[Brian Posehn]

Good to see you.

[David Cross]

That was Greg Proops, ladies and gentlemen, the aforementioned Greg Proops. Who dropped in. What were you talking about? Not shitty bands. It was something else. Oh. Who's your favorite person that you've never met before. You know nothing about that, Reviews your comedy in your shows.

[Brian Posehn]

What. Who is my favorite person that does that?

[David Cross]

Yeah. What's their handle? What's their. Or avatar?

[Brian Posehn]

A Turn Him Dave.

[David Cross]

Say it again.

[Brian Posehn]

A Turn Him Dave.

[David Cross]

A turnum. A turnum. What does that mean?

[Brian Posehn]

I don't know. He's in a metal band called Aeternum, and it's a dude in the uk.

[David Cross]

You've never met him.

[Brian Posehn]

I've never met him, but he listens to Nerd Poker every week, and I see his name up on all the things.

[David Cross]

And what is Nerd Poker?

[Brian Posehn]

That's the. My podcast.

[David Cross]

What is it?

[Brian Posehn]

It's so silly. You would hate it, but it's. We just play DND and record it.

[David Cross]

Oh, God.

[Brian Posehn]

When people.

[David Cross]

Terrible.

[Brian Posehn]

I know when people started doing podcasts, everybody's like, you got to do a podcast. And I was like, do I have to hear. I know. People make you.

[David Cross]

I know. It's, like, illegal.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, I know. So when I. When they told me to make one, I was like, I just want to record my friends. And we used to do it at a studio. Now we do it at my house or we zoom. And it's. We just play D and D and it.

[David Cross]

Why not?

[Brian Posehn]

Super fun.

[David Cross]

And people.

[Brian Posehn]

No one listens. It's just the Turn Him Dave and a couple other.

[David Cross]

But that's. I think that's the. I think there. There are two things. Two aspects to a podcast that it should be entertaining or edifying. Right. Or you, you know, you learn something from it. I. All I've got is entertaining like that. I mean, I'm not trying to teach anybody anything. Sometimes I'll recommend a book.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

Sometimes I'll give the wrong title to the book and have to do a disclaimer. Pop something in. Which I just did. But mostly, mostly 80% of these podcasts is just being silly.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

And you can listen or not. You know, there's.

[Brian Posehn]

And sometimes I think people don't know that. I think some people think they're required.

[David Cross]

To listen to podcasts and then required to write. Well, I didn't care for that. Why are they making me listen to this over and over again?

[Brian Posehn]

I don't have to listen to this.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but I mean, that seems to be all you should be wanting.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, for sure.

[David Cross]

From your podcast. So Nerd Poker seems like it's kind of perfect. You're having a good time. You can listen or don't listen.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. And we. We started as, like, I just missed playing dnd. So I was like, oh, I can do this. You know, and it was always like, you know, if we generate anything, I'll pay for, you know, the. The guy that produces it and pay for my dungeon master. And it's so dumb saying that out loud.

[David Cross]

It is, it is. As an adult, I think past the age of 15. Past the age of 15, I have to pay my dungeon master. So do you guys not take turns? I thought it rotates around.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, no, no, no. It's.

[David Cross]

And I say, you know, really only from 100 ignorance.

[Brian Posehn]

You really want somebody who knows what they're doing and likes the job. Like, so if you randomly. No, if you randomly made a DND player. I think most people who play would rather not be the dungeon master or the game master.

[David Cross]

So is it like. Is it kind of like the mayor in Mafia? Like you don't get to play, but you're running the game.

[Brian Posehn]

You're not playing it, you're running the game. Exactly. And then they have to do a lot of prep generally, you know, unless they're just doing, you know, one of the old games the way it's written in the old.

[David Cross]

So what would the prep be?

[Brian Posehn]

The story. Oh, like the whole thing. And prepare all whatever characters, maps so.

[David Cross]

You come into this fresh. You don't know your character. You don't know my character.

[Brian Posehn]

You build your own character.

[David Cross]

Oh, he uses those characters and then creates a story.

[Brian Posehn]

Exactly. And then makes non player characters. He runs and does voices for anybody that, you know, that he's telling the story with.

[David Cross]

So I'd be sort of getting maybe Tom Kenny, because he does a lot of voice work. He does spongebob, he does Powerpuff Girls and he could be a dungeon master.

[Brian Posehn]

He did great guys. Like, we've had people, you know, play the game. I've had Tom Lennon. Come on. Guys like that are like.

[David Cross]

And have they played it before?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, I think he had played D and D at different points in his life, but he just took to it. Right.

[David Cross]

Some of the lowest points in his life.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. But guys like that and people that you would actually, if you played it, you'd probably have fun because people like Padgett have done it and was like. She was like, no, I'll never do this. And she had a blast. You would have fun if you committed to it.

[David Cross]

If it was, you know, if it was you and your friends and like minded people.

[Brian Posehn]

It's. Ken Daly is one of them. He's been. I've been playing with Ken for 20 years. And then Blaine and You know, yeah.

[David Cross]

Guys, that sounds like fun.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, it's super fun.

[David Cross]

And I did the only time I've ever played. It wasn't even a real thing, but it was. I did. God, way back. Dan Harmon's.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Cross]

And I, I certainly know of it. And culturally, I've seen television shows. I know enough that I have a. A general understanding, but, like, I didn't know you, so that your character is something you built and you bring that with you to every game.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. So when it dies, when your character dies, it's a big thing. Like, people get bombed. Like when the dungeon map. Especially if you think the DM killed your character on purpose or didn't let you, you know, give you a chance to survive, you know, and. And it's not like math. It's all.

[David Cross]

I know the dice. So. So percentages and all that so you could find yourself. And I suppose somebody finds themselves against a much stronger boss and you're rolling, you're rolling and you just got shit luck and your character dies, right?

[Brian Posehn]

And sometimes he gives you a boss that's, you know, insurmountable. You know, there's no way that you and your four other idiot friends with your, you know, and you're all like, third level and you're fighting like a, you know, 20.

[David Cross]

So how does that. How would that work? Couldn't you say to the dungeon master, since you're paying this, hey, no, 20 low 20 level boss. Level 20 boss.

[Brian Posehn]

It just depends on, you know, I think that's part of the fun. Is that, like, our guy, Dan Telfer, he's a funny dude, he's a comedian. And sometimes he'll just have a bug up zest. He's just like, I'm gonna kill you guys. And that's. That makes it kind of fun where he's.

[David Cross]

How long would it take you to.

[Brian Posehn]

He's actively trying to murder us in a game, you know, how long would.

[David Cross]

It take you to rebuild a character to the level you've.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, not long. I mean, nowadays you can just do it online and it's. But in the old days. Wait, what? You can build a character online, but in the old days, I thought it.

[David Cross]

Was now, that's surprising to me. Cause can't you just. Aren't you just.

[Brian Posehn]

Well, you're rolling dice, so you're getting your stat numbers, but you can even do that now you can do fake dice rolls where it rolls the dice for you.

[David Cross]

Well, that seems to take a lot of.

[Brian Posehn]

It does. I'd rather not do That I try to do it. The old.

[David Cross]

Do you have to do it at a certain time? Is it like, I'm not kidding. Like, how do you build your.

[Brian Posehn]

No, you can't do that.

[David Cross]

Or do you just walk in the next day? Like, hey, guys, I was online and I got a, you know, an archer that, you know, can freeze generally, he'll.

[Brian Posehn]

Say, hey, is that even close?

[David Cross]

An archer that freezes things?

[Brian Posehn]

Yes. Yeah, that could definitely be something.

[David Cross]

Freeze archer.

[Brian Posehn]

An ice archer. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, but he'll give you time. He'll go, you know, we're starting a new game. Just prepare your characters and be ready.

[David Cross]

Can't you just lie and go, yeah, I got this. And this is the thing. Who do you roll your dice in front of?

[Brian Posehn]

Right? But what good is that? Why would you lie about your character to fucking.

[David Cross]

No, no, I'm sorry. Not lying about. You got shit to do. You got a family. Your son is like, how come I never see dad anymore? Why is he in the garage still with those. And where's all my monster energy drinks? And then so to avoid that, can't you just go, hey, I've got an ice archer. He's level three, and here are his attributes.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, you could definitely do that. But then he benefits from not putting any work into it.

[David Cross]

Your family does.

[Brian Posehn]

It doesn't take that much time. You think this is a way harder process than it actually is?

[David Cross]

I need. Daddy needs two hours. I'm going up to our lake house.

[Brian Posehn]

Well, don't you, like. I don't know what you do anymore. Do you. Do you have to be involved in some kind of fantasy league? Right?

[David Cross]

Yes. Yes.

[Brian Posehn]

How many?

[David Cross]

Just one. Just the one.

[Brian Posehn]

Just baseball.

[David Cross]

Just baseball? Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

That's it. That's it. You don't do a football thing?

[David Cross]

No, I did a long time ago, and that's so much easier. But the.

[Brian Posehn]

How much prep work do you have to put into the baseball thing? You have to like.

[David Cross]

I do. Yeah. Several hours.

[Brian Posehn]

And are you still playing? I don't even know. Like, guys on the current Braves. Is that your team still?

[David Cross]

Sure, but we're looking at what they're doing.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, I don't even. I'm guessing. So you look at their actual stats.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And then that's how you play each game. But now do you. When that. When Atlanta's playing the Giants. Are you playing the Giants in your league?

[David Cross]

No, no. Everybody. We're National League only. We do a. Sometimes we do off.

[Brian Posehn]

You don't actually play the games when the actual Games are playing. You're playing. Because it's fantasy too, which is. I love that you guys use that well.

[David Cross]

It's like that.

[Brian Posehn]

You're so cool and you're using sympathy.

[David Cross]

All of us are jerking off during it. We finally. It's highly erotically charged.

[Brian Posehn]

This only became me, like, kind of against that because it feels like. It felt like I was against that.

[David Cross]

I'm not attacking. I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way. I am asking. No, but I'm saying.

[Brian Posehn]

Because I don't know either. Yeah, no, it's the same thing. I don't know how that that goes either, so I understand.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but it's not a good correlation because.

[Brian Posehn]

Because one's cooler.

[David Cross]

No, Brian, no one. The way that you're building a character from scratch with rolls of the dice.

[Brian Posehn]

As opposed to using, like, actual ballplayers. Yes.

[David Cross]

Right. And then we have a draft, and once that draft is over, that's it, you know, and it's. It's. And my wife will tell you this. It's quite literally the most important day of the year. It's more important than my daughter's birthday. More important. It is. It's more. I would rather skip my daughter's birthday than miss the draft.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

Because that's your team all year. And occasionally somebody has to go on autopilot. It fucks it up for everybody. That's kind of why we move to Snake draft as opposed to auction. And, And. And everybody, you know, that person will feel very guilty and it messes it up. And that's your chance to get your team.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

And then you can trade and you have a salary cap and stuff like that, but you're taking real world applicable stats and projections, creating a team. And then from there, those are real people who have real. So I'm not rolling the die. In other words, I can't go. I can't jump ahead.

[Brian Posehn]

Gotcha. Well, it's. Yeah, it's different, but I actually like that part of it of creating the character. And. And then when they die, it is a big deal and it can be.

[David Cross]

Frustrating, but then you've created an emotional attachment to a little bit.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Cross]

The Binkles, the elfin sage.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, Binkles, the elfin sage. I need a shirt now. Oh, my God.

[David Cross]

What has been one of your. Because I know they become one.

[Brian Posehn]

Like I. Most of my characters, I. I try to be the first guy in the room and. And, you know, so I'll. I'll always make guys my size. I'll Generally when I pick, I'll just do like a big guy, but it'll be somebody who is. Actually benefited from their size. Like they've.

[David Cross]

It can smash a boulder.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Which I can actually do with my face.

[David Cross]

But you haven't applied yourself. I think if you really applied yourself, get a year, at least a year to crunch or Planet Fitness.

[Brian Posehn]

You've had stuntmen sometimes, right. On jobs. Like whenever I have a stuntman, it's always like, oh, wow, you handled your life totally differently than I did. I did stuff that made your neck look like that. I never did anything to make my neck look like anything. But when I meet another 6 foot 6 guy that has to double me in something, they're always like this, you know, why wouldn't you be? Yeah, yeah. But me, I'm like, schmoo. Six foot six, schmoo.

[David Cross]

I always feel bad, always. When I haven't had that many. They'll have a. Occasionally your. Like, contractually you have to have a stunt guy. And I, I've been able to do my own stunts most of the time, but occasionally they just put their foot down.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

And. And then there have been a couple times where I was like, no, you can do that one. I can't do that. But there was a guy did this. This happens a couple times too, where somebody will come in to do the stunt. Nice guy. You know, get along with all of them. They're. They're interesting folks.

[Brian Posehn]

Sure.

[David Cross]

And they, you know, look good. They got a, you know, their full head of hair and whatever and they have to shave their head. And I'm like, dude, you can put a bald cap. I say, no, no.

[Brian Posehn]

And they will sit there for me to another guy like, oh, man, I'm so sorry.

[David Cross]

I'm so. He's like, ah, it'll grow back. Like, I. You looked so good coming in here and now you look really odd.

[Brian Posehn]

You know, I did a job where I shaved, but then the, the latest one I did was they made him look like me.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And I felt bad. I was like, sorry, dude.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I always apologize. And they're totally cool. It's their job. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

The guy was super nice, you know.

[David Cross]

And they're like, it's fine. It'll grow back. Oh, man, it looks odd.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes.

[David Cross]

We're at, you know, okay.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. And with my hair, you know, it's awful. But I wouldn't wish this on anybody.

[David Cross]

Oh, God, no. Not even your worst enemy, though, Brian. What about your worst?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, maybe then I don't really have.

[David Cross]

A worst Enemy that you know of.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

Maybe this guy in the uk.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Might turn on you and become your worst enemy.

[Brian Posehn]

I never even thought of that.

[David Cross]

Yeah, you got to be careful. You do you. I got to tell you. And you may experience the same thing, but, you know, doing stand up, you know, I'm still going out there and.

[Brian Posehn]

Sorry.

[David Cross]

Bulk of my audience has grown with me.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And you know, there's always new kids in there and stuff like that.

[Brian Posehn]

But.

[David Cross]

But there are, you know, at least a third of the audience is, you know, within 10 years of my age. And I would say half of those guys look like you. And I wonder if. Because I have a very common look, and I don't know if common's the right word, but a very. It's specific. Bald, with this kind of beard and, you know, and you have a specific look. And I wonder if there are more people that look like Brian Posayn or more people that look like David Cross, because I see a lot of Brian Posein's, especially at my shows.

[Brian Posehn]

My crowd is. Yeah. A lot of guys that look like me and the women that love them.

[David Cross]

That's the name of your. The name of your first book?

[Brian Posehn]

Yes.

[David Cross]

The guys that look like me and the women that love them.

[Brian Posehn]

No, but there's guys that look scarily like me. Like, there's a few. Dude, I've had people where like, I was in Buffalo and they go. They came into the green room and they go, hey, we let your brother sit up front. I go, excuse me. And they go, a guy came in and he looked exactly like you. So we just put him up front. Like, they didn't even hat. So he's like, oh, sweet. He gets.

[David Cross]

What a weird assumption.

[Brian Posehn]

I saw the guy and I was like, holy shit. And I. Right away I was like, dude, you look like me. And we took a picture afterwards. But yeah, there's been a few of those.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I mean, I see like, a lot.

[Brian Posehn]

Of guys that act like it's the worst thing in their life that they look like me. They go, people tell me I look like you, and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. Like, fuck you.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And that hurts my feelings.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And you can, you know, you can shave that beard off, asshole, if you're that worried about it.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. How about walking?

[David Cross]

Yeah. I remember one time we were in San Francisco. This is way, way, way, way going way back, I think the era of the green jacket. And it was post Mr. Show, but kind of pre. Other stuff. And it was the first time I'D been out. It was just you and I walking around and nobody noticed me. They all noticed you. It's like I didn't talk to one person, and it was like having the Brian Pose deflection shield. And you. You're the one who observed it and mentioned it. Like, you know, when you go out and you can be with, like, whoever just Rob, you know, Robert Pattinson or Eddie Vedder or.

[Brian Posehn]

I haven't hung with those dudes lately, but. But I. I guess it would happen. Yeah, it does. I mean, well, I think it's just because I'm imposing.

[David Cross]

You're big.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. A lot bigger.

[David Cross]

And you know that they. They very quickly don't care about. They want to.

[Brian Posehn]

But I still get people that aren't sure. And I'm like, you should be sure.

[David Cross]

Aren't sure that you're you.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Right.

[Brian Posehn]

They'll come up, like, tentatively saw your brother in Buffalo. Yeah.

[David Cross]

And that guy pretended to be you. And then they learned he wasn't. They're never going to trust another Brian Posena. Like.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

Would you trade. Casey, will you trademark that Ryan Posena? Like.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I'll get on there.

[David Cross]

Thank you.

[Brian Posehn]

So what are we talking about?

[David Cross]

Just D and D your podcast, please. People that look like you.

[Brian Posehn]

Anything else?

[David Cross]

Stunt man?

[Brian Posehn]

How's your kid? We don't get to hang. And that thing that. That Mr. Show reunion we did was super fun.

[David Cross]

That was fun. I was really worried that it was. I was gonna be half asleep because just my whole schedule is different now. You know, I'm not usually not up past midnight.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

But, yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was weird because there was the delay that I had. I don't know if you all have. So it was that, you know, like powering through an interview where you can hear your. It's hard. It was cool.

[Brian Posehn]

Like, it. I don't know. I'm sure there are some people that were like, was that tape or was that. Yeah, I bet. Because there was a little bit of like.

[David Cross]

Oh, because of the delay.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, because of the delay. It almost felt like. Oh, they don't really. He's not really their lives.

[David Cross]

Right. Yeah, I can see that.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. This is pre recorded. But it felt so fun and just. It felt like something we would have done in the old days, you know, like zooming, you know, or even faking a zoom call it just the way it worked out. I'm almost glad that it was billed wrong.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Well, that.

[Brian Posehn]

Because it said Mr. Show reunion. And so everybody's like. And you Weren't on the bill originally. So everybody's like, well, where the hell.

[David Cross]

Is I immediately, individually saw that and texted wrath. And we're like, dude, what the fuck? You can't do that.

[Brian Posehn]

I'm not going to throw him under the bus. But yes, there was one person that we all knew was responsible.

[David Cross]

Well, he threw somebody else under the bus, so. But. And I'm not trying to throw him under the bus. I was just like, there was a person who was putting it together. I'm like, you can't say reunion.

[Brian Posehn]

No, that's not.

[David Cross]

That's.

[Brian Posehn]

No, no, no.

[David Cross]

You know, that's unethical.

[Brian Posehn]

And besides you two, there was only a couple of us, you know, it wasn't a full reunion anyway. But it was a fun night regardless of show light. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[David Cross]

A tribute.

[Brian Posehn]

And it's always fun just to hang with those guys and watch people that you haven't, you know.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I've watched Zach do stand up in forever and that was so fun. Galifianakis and it has. Oh, yeah. You didn't get to see any of that.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I'm three hours ahead, so I had to get up. It was super fun. 6:30 to get my kid ready for school and.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

So, yeah, I. I mean, by the time I logged off, it was like 12:30.

[Brian Posehn]

So.

[David Cross]

Okay, maybe 12:45.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, it was a good time.

[David Cross]

Sleep. I would have loved to. Yeah, I would love to have been there to hang. I would have been a really fun hang, I imagine.

[Brian Posehn]

And the sketch was fun. And I. I love now where, like, when Bob asked me to do things, I mean, I would say yes, regardless. But that's part of the fun is just like, oh, what is he gonna ask me? What is he gonna write for me? Yeah, like that stuff was all made up and all him.

[David Cross]

Right.

[Brian Posehn]

And that's most of the fun is just like what ridiculousness is, you know, did he come up with.

[David Cross]

And you get to riff in it and just have fun and everybody knows each other.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, yeah.

[David Cross]

He and I have done this thing. We. He was. I had a big show in Central park last summer and he was going to be a part of that. He got rained out and I got postponed and he couldn't do the. The other thing. But we've done this thing now. Done it maybe three or four times, like benefits and stuff, where. Well. And it's truly one of the most fun 15 minutes I've had on stage ever. Every time we do it where we go, oh, so you know, Bob will come out If I'm hosting or if he's hosting, I come out and it's like, oh, you know, this is. It's great that. That we can do this. But, you know, this is normally David and I's pitch time, and we get together once a week on, you know, whatever it is, Wednesday at 10:40, and we run pitches by each other and. But so if you don't mind, it's kind of our normal time to do that. We'd like to do that. And then I will have written five titles and then kind of just a log line and on five separate, you know, index cards, piece of paper, and him as well. And then we. Clearly, the audience understands what we're doing is he's giving me this to read for the first time. Cold. And then I have to. I read it, and then I have to explain what the movie is. The TV idea. It's really fun.

[Brian Posehn]

I bet that's hilarious.

[David Cross]

I don't know why I brought that.

[Brian Posehn]

Up, because it fit.

[David Cross]

Well, it didn't involve you, though. You're my guest and.

[Brian Posehn]

No, but it was part of the fun of performing Bob and riffing.

[David Cross]

Tell me about your fucking Dungeons and Dragon thing again. That's where everybody's doing now. How old is Rhodes now? Oh, boy.

[Brian Posehn]

My son. Fifteen.

[David Cross]

Fifteen. That's that age.

[Brian Posehn]

It is, and it isn't. He's like, you know, people say cliches about it. People are like, oh, he's gonna hate you. And I've had friends that, you know, had kids that hate him, but we. He's not. He doesn't hate me. It's a different thing. And, you know, a lot of parenting at that age is mostly hands off. You just kind of, you know, if you're making your grades and you're doing this and you're listening to the rules that, you know, and it's mostly what my wife's. What Melanie says. You know, for me, it's like, just, I'm that dad. I'm like, just stay out of trouble. Yeah, Just don't piss off your mom, basically.

[David Cross]

And don't. And what about social media? Is that a thing?

[Brian Posehn]

It's a thing, but he's. He's anti. A lot of it. But then I worry about, you know, certain influences. But then I'll check in with him and I'll go, hey, what are you listening to? And then, you know. Or I'll say, hey, this guy's a douchebag. Don't listen to this. Or, you know, there's certain podcasters where I've like said, hey, right. So he listens, he does a little bit, and he finds comedy that way, but I won't throw anybody under the bus. But he recently said something where it was like, oh, wow, he gets it. Like, he, he hated somebody mainstream. He was like, no, that guy sucks, dad. And I was like, cool. Just checking, just making sure.

[David Cross]

Was it me?

[Brian Posehn]

No, no, no. It was like, you know, just one of the, you know, the big ones. Big, big right wing comic out there, you know. So I was just like, hey, you don't think that guy's funny, do you? And he's like, no way. You know, all right, there's a little bit of that. And he's a gamer, but he's. He's a creative kid. He. He really wants to direct movies and he's already working on that. And then the school that he's at, like, they have a film program and actually like pick up and drop off time because that's when you get to talk to him because he does like disappear, you know?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And he's going into his room.

[David Cross]

He's 15. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And finishing games. Like, he's played Red Dead Redemption like three times all the way through. And I still haven't finished the second one.

[David Cross]

Did you play Deathloop at all?

[Brian Posehn]

I don't know. Deathloop.

[David Cross]

Oh, it's really good. But I. The finishing, it's not. It is linear and. But in order to. That's. It's. It's a really clever, fun game with great music and it looks good and really good kind of dialogue and acting. But you know, you have to do all these different things. And there's. They're divided into four sections of the day. Right. Night, right to. So you got morning, early morning, mid morning, afternoon, evening, whatever. And there are these people on this island with these different powers that you have to kill. Assassinate. The whole thing is to assassinate these. But you. If you mess up or you die, you go back to the beginning. Like, literally the beginning. Although you get. But you've learned all this stuff, right? Right. You learn more and more how to do it and what thing works here and what. And you know, where to get an arsenal and stuff like that. And you're on this island and it's very trippy, like modish, late 60s, early 70s vibe. But in order to finish the game. So I've completed. I've. I've. And I found new ways to assassinate somebody. You have to do it all in a row without messing up.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, wow.

[David Cross]

And I got all the way to that point, I'm like, I'm not gonna fucking do this. It's gonna take forever, and I know I'm gonna fuck up, and it's just gonna be infuriating. It literally. I stopped. Yeah. I just. I. I can't. Maybe I'll pick it up again, since it's been a year and a half or two, whatever, since I played it. But it's a really. I recommend it. It's good, but it's the idea that you. It's almost like a. Like, not. Not a speed run, but you would have to apply everything and not mess up at all. And you would have to go back to the beginning, and it's. And it's eight people who are powerful, and. And it would just.

[Brian Posehn]

Now I want to try it. Yeah, it's good. It's.

[David Cross]

I recommend it. It's really fun, interesting, and unique, which is. Can't say that about a whole lot of games.

[Brian Posehn]

Right. I don't even think I'd heard of that one.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Deathloop.

[Brian Posehn]

Cool.

[David Cross]

And really cool. When you see the. The artwork for it, you'll get immediately like, oh, this is what they're going for.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Cool.

[David Cross]

At least visually. Yeah. Did you talk to Wayne Brady when you came in?

[Brian Posehn]

No, I didn't know what was going on in there. It seemed very serious.

[David Cross]

That it was very serious. He is starting up a podcast here at Headgum, and it's called let's Make a Deal. But there's a question mark. That's not true. What is his podcast name?

[Brian Posehn]

It's called what if?

[David Cross]

What if? No question mark. That's the twist. There is a question mark. Yeah. So I was right that there's a question mark. I just had the wrong words, and he. Tell me if. Correct me if I'm wrong. But the podcast is every week he has a guest on, and it's like, what if you had a thousand dollars? And that's it. That's the same thing for everyone. Right. Or what if you were lactose intolerant?

[Brian Posehn]

And.

[David Cross]

No, they were toying with that. And then it's an hour of.

[Brian Posehn]

Really? You can make that last an hour?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

For multiple episodes. Let's try it off. All right. Hi, I'm Wayne Brady, and this is. I'm with my guest Brian Posayn here on what if. Brian, thank you for coming down.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Now I'm gonna ask you what I asked everybody. What if you had $1,000?

[Brian Posehn]

That'd be great. That is. Can I use my phone to spend the thousand dollars?

[David Cross]

Sure.

[Brian Posehn]

Please. Stop.

[David Cross]

Sorry. My tongue is.

[Brian Posehn]

My tongue is a little spastic.

[David Cross]

No, but in all seriousness, what if you were lactose intolerant?

[Brian Posehn]

I think I was, actually. You'd have that. That special milk.

[David Cross]

Oat milk. Almond milk?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, that one.

[David Cross]

Cashew milk?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, sure.

[David Cross]

Mouse milk.

[Brian Posehn]

Mouse milk. Sure.

[David Cross]

That's a thing. Mouse milk. Greatest milk is milk from ice. You don't remember that commercial when we were kids?

[Brian Posehn]

No.

[David Cross]

Mouse milk. Mouse milk. Mouse milk. Mom. Dad. Oh, right. It was British mummy. Daddy.

[Brian Posehn]

Of course. I forgot you were raised over there.

[David Cross]

What else you got for me, Brian?

[Brian Posehn]

That's how it feels.

[David Cross]

I'm sorry I don't have a, you know, level nine orc.

[Brian Posehn]

I wish you did.

[David Cross]

I know. I can see it. I can read it.

[Brian Posehn]

I don't know, man. What do you want to talk about?

[David Cross]

Whatever. I mean, this is a. It's about the loosest format for a podcast there is.

[Brian Posehn]

And yet I'm sweating.

[David Cross]

You know, there's no. You're not going to get fired.

[Brian Posehn]

I feel like I already did.

[David Cross]

No, no. And. And listen, we can cut out anything. I mean, we won't, but we can start over. We haven't started yet. Are you kidding? No, we're starting. Let's start now. My guest, with me on census working overtime is Brian Posane. Now, Brian, a lot of people mispronounce your last name and say pose.

[Brian Posehn]

Whole life. Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And that seems odd to me.

[Brian Posehn]

You would figure that eventually. Yeah, they'd figure it out.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Or just ask me because you're famous, too.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. The best was in the old days where I would go back to a radio station and then they'd get mad that they had said it wrong the first time.

[David Cross]

Would you have corrected them?

[Brian Posehn]

No, and I didn't say anything the last time. So they're like, we called you Brian Posen the last time. And I was like, yeah, dude, I don't. I don't know what to tell you. It's postane. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. My whole life.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

But don't worry about it. Like, I forgot that you did that last time. Yeah. I'm glad you're still upset at yourself.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Or you slightly, you know. And pose is. Is French for proprietair proprietor.

[Brian Posehn]

Yep.

[David Cross]

Okay. How'd that come in? Was that an Ellis island thing or.

[Brian Posehn]

Yep.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

So. Yes. And.

[David Cross]

Right.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes and.

[David Cross]

Well, you would fill it in.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes. And.

[David Cross]

And you would fill it in. You.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, I didn't know that part. I just thought you.

[David Cross]

Yeah, well, that's why you're paying $1,200 a week to take my class. You know what is. We're here in. Is this officially Silver Lake or Echo Park? When does Silver Lake end? And is it Lucille? What's the cutoff?

[Brian Posehn]

I would say Alvarado is usually where my brain shifts it over.

[David Cross]

Right, that makes sense. Alvarado. Seems like you're already in Echo park, though.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

[David Cross]

Give it. Give or take 500ft or so. Casey, can't we just say Lucille? Well, Lucille is right here.

[Brian Posehn]

And that's like Silver Lake.

[David Cross]

That's not what I meant. Okay. Oh, but when I'm walking back to my Airbnb, there is a ucb. Closed. Shuttered. There's like a. Right up here.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, I didn't know there was one over here.

[David Cross]

Yeah, well, there isn't anymore.

[Brian Posehn]

Well, that's sad.

[David Cross]

I know. Who's gonna tell Matt? The two mats?

[Brian Posehn]

Well, I'm sure when one closes, another one opens up somewhere else, right?

[David Cross]

That's God. Yeah. When God closes a window, he opens up another window.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Because he doesn't want to draft.

[Brian Posehn]

But it's about improv schools, too. That. Yeah.

[David Cross]

God took it from the improv school Maxim that. Yeah. When one improv school closes another, you know, when one door. You know, there was a sign I saw in North Carolina, Chapel Hill, I believe, and it was. There was a church, and there were all these doors that they had put like a sculpture type thing. Doors out on their kind of lawn, like six row, all painted like. I think it was. Might have been gay pride colors. But on the doors they had written, God's. God's door is always open. And I would say to that, then God does not need a door in the first place. If you're going to always have your door open, you've negated the reason to have it.

[Brian Posehn]

Just a doorway.

[David Cross]

Just a doorway. Don't need a door if it's always open.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

And it's not like there's a. You know, there's hurricane season in heaven. So if you. He doesn't understand how doors work or the purpose of doors.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Or maybe what they mean is it's unlocked.

[David Cross]

Holy shit. I never thought about that. Well, you just ruined that.

[Brian Posehn]

It's not like wide open. It's just.

[David Cross]

Right. It's. It's.

[Brian Posehn]

It's. You still come in. But.

[David Cross]

But there is a draft and there is a hurricane.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

So we're gonna have to close it.

[Brian Posehn]

Right?

[David Cross]

But. Yes, you don't have to. Don't bother knocking. It's Like a rural community.

[Brian Posehn]

Don't bother knocking.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

If the church is rocking.

[David Cross]

If the church is rocking. Don't bother knocking.

[Brian Posehn]

Right? There's some. And what.

[David Cross]

I know it's ass, gas or grass. Nobody writes for free, but it used to be a whole ton of them, right? It was ass, gas or grass. En masse. Bill Blass, Crass albums. There was a bunch of them. Nobody rides for free. So you. You would. There were way more opportunities to get a free ride, but I guess not free, but get a ride. But now it got reduced, I think, during the second Bush administration too. It's just ass or, you know, pussy. Whatever. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I think Trump's changing the whole thing, though. Like, he threw all that out because that's like a liberal law.

[David Cross]

Oh, okay. So what is it now?

[Brian Posehn]

That was a law made by liberals. I don't know. He's completely rebooting it.

[David Cross]

Aren't all laws made by liberals?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, and he's.

[David Cross]

It's a liberal concept, you know, like a bunch of libtards, you know?

[Brian Posehn]

Tell me about it.

[David Cross]

Is. Is. Is your kid liptarded? Have you had any tests? He's half.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, right down the middle.

[David Cross]

Oh, my God, those shoes. Oh, my Lord. I'm just seeing those. Is that your dog?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, it is.

[David Cross]

Oh, my God. Let me see that.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

First of all, what a cute fucking dog.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, it's. My Mel made these. This Mavis. My Bernie's.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I have a Bernadoodle.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, you do?

[David Cross]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

That's cool.

[David Cross]

Yeah, well, sort of. I wouldn't say cool, but it's.

[Brian Posehn]

But I will say, love, that you love dogs.

[David Cross]

I love dogs. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And when there was a time.

[David Cross]

No, no. I had bits about getting a puppy.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

Cause Ollie was a puppy. And I all. It. It wasn't about. I didn't like dogs. That was my second dog. I had a dog growing up, but I loved Ollie. It was just bits about, you know, like, she's not licking you. She likes salt. She doesn't like.

[Brian Posehn]

Right, right, right.

[David Cross]

Oh, this lovable little thing loves me. It's like, nah, she loves whatever juice you have on your hand. But.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

But yeah. So when. When Ollie died, which I talk about extensively in my special. I'm from the future, if you want to check that out.

[Brian Posehn]

Good.

[David Cross]

Good stuff. I wanted to get another dog, but my wife is allergic to certain danders, and so we had to get a hypoallergenic dog. And there are not that many options. I didn't want a, you know, like the short hair Chihuahua. Guys I wanted a big dog. Marlo wanted a big dog. And, and so for Marlo and she really wanted a dog and she, she was remarkably attached to Ollie and, and took her passing really hard. Much harder than we expected. And, and so we had to go and I would never get a bread dog. I, Ollie was a rescue dog. Was rescue. And, but yeah, so, but she's great. She's goofy, is like super playful. Doesn't know. And she's huge. Doesn't know her own size.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

15 months now and she's, you know, like a donkey.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, that's about ours. Yeah, ours is about the same and super playful because this one passed, this was Mavis, and my mother in law got us another one. And yeah, we've rescued two. But we rescued this one from a breeder.

[David Cross]

Really? What? How?

[Brian Posehn]

We paid $4,000 to get her away from this crazy lady.

[David Cross]

So you just see bought.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, you buy.

[David Cross]

I like, I haven't thought of that spin. I'm gonna make myself feel better with like.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, I know.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I piss off two rescue people by. Wait, what did he say?

[David Cross]

They really take offense. Yeah, we rescued her. $4,000 rescued her from this breeder. We're still in touch occasionally.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

If we have a question. Yeah, I, I, I, Breeding dogs is a bummer.

[Brian Posehn]

It is. But I don't know, I don't want to get too into it. I, because I actually like breeds. I like the dog, traditional dog breeds. And Bernie's mountain dog. It wound up for me. I, you know, I love, I guess I could have adopted any big dog and it would have been, you know, I would have fallen in love with it. But with this, I just like the breed and I like, you know, what comes from having a working dog or whatever.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And this one like, and, and your.

[David Cross]

Dog loves the snow. She loves the Burbank winters. Like right now it's February.

[Brian Posehn]

Hang on a second.

[David Cross]

It's February 26th and it is 78 degrees.

[Brian Posehn]

No, I know. I had a walker before it got too hot today, but. Yeah, no, it's not ideal.

[David Cross]

But it is ideal is. It's not even close to ideal. It's for a Bernese mountain dog.

[Brian Posehn]

Right. But the idea is that I take her to the snow for fun.

[David Cross]

Do you?

[Brian Posehn]

We haven't.

[David Cross]

Oh, it's on the, on the to do list.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I, this is her, you know, first my dog's first winter as a. Not a tiny puppy, teeny tiny puppy.

[Brian Posehn]

And you actually get winters where you are, right?

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We had snow and I have a place upstate as you know the. At least a foot of snow. Right. And she loves it. I bet she goes nuts. So yeah, that was partly why I felt a moral obligation to get a dogs. Like we have a townhouse in Brooklyn. We live in an area that is. There's. I'm in between Prospect park and Fort Green park and there's a dog run two or whatever three blocks away with dogs that. She loves it, you know, and. And we have a place upstate in the woods. Like I feel kind of had to have to get a dog.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Cross]

It's wrong to not have a dog.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, I get it. I didn't have them for so long and now I couldn't even imagine not having one.

[David Cross]

Like was there but a period in between the. Your Mavis passing?

[Brian Posehn]

No, we went probably too fast and because I still.

[David Cross]

I know people have done that.

[Brian Posehn]

I know I still miss her. But we. My mother in law and, And Melanie, they. They just decided well, we'll get one. And so we had it like 20 days later. I had a new. Yeah. That puppy.

[David Cross]

That is.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

A bit soon. Yeah. You can't really process and you've got this other thing. It's. I've had other people who've been in that situation say they did that and regretted getting a new dog.

[Brian Posehn]

I know people that do. But. Yeah. Replace it right away or. Or just wait.

[David Cross]

But I. I mean what we do.

[Brian Posehn]

I just like having dogs. So.

[David Cross]

Sure.

[Brian Posehn]

So yeah. It's a whole other thing now having a puppy and then especially having one is huge. Is. You know.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I got.

[Brian Posehn]

But then I get material that's.

[David Cross]

Yeah. The material. I got a whole worth about euthanizing Ollie. I do. You know, and. Which is a real thing and a real process and grieving and stuff. And I. We got Rose when she was 10 weeks old. Eight weeks old, I think. Eight weeks old.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And. And then I brought her and sat her down and. And had her watch me kill Ollie.

[Brian Posehn]

Of course it's not true, Ryan.

[David Cross]

Why would I ever okay a puppy like this is. This is. You're looking into the.

[Brian Posehn]

This how it's going to end up?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, it's. We. I would recommend this though. We had. We found a vet that came to our house and let us. We did the same spot and she was.

[David Cross]

She was Ali's vet who was up the street. You know, it was like four blocks away and, and, and. And that had been recommended to me from. A couple people have done that and it's makes all the difference in the world.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And Ollie couldn't really walk very well. Like I would have had to carry her up to the vet and that. That even seems just even worse than knowing what you're gonna do. And.

[Brian Posehn]

And so there's really no fun way to do it.

[David Cross]

But that's not true. That's not true. Listen to my bit, Brian. I'm from the future. Available on somewhere my website maybe.

[Brian Posehn]

Cool.

[David Cross]

I have a whole thing about where I had Diplo come in.

[Brian Posehn]

I only know that's a thing. But I couldn't tell you what Diplo actually does. Is he like a dj?

[David Cross]

Yeah, he's a dj.

[Brian Posehn]

I would hate it. Right?

[David Cross]

I don't. I don't know enough to say I.

[Brian Posehn]

Don'T, but I would think so.

[David Cross]

I. I don't know if it's like.

[Brian Posehn]

I don't think there is one that's won me like hip hop, TJ's. That's a whole other thing.

[David Cross]

That's a different thing. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

That I enjoy. Yeah, but this other.

[David Cross]

You're nodding your head.

[Brian Posehn]

No, no. Yeah. I know your engineer is super into DJ music.

[David Cross]

Casey is a dj.

[Brian Posehn]

He's actually producing a record over there. Look at him.

[David Cross]

You have a residency at MGM grand in Vegas, right?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Cross]

Coming up. Yeah. Sweet. Sweet to always do New Year's.

[Brian Posehn]

Billboard. Is your billboard already up? Yeah, just dj.

[David Cross]

It. It is. There's a such a massive world and as I get older it only increases of. I know. I've never heard of. I know nothing about where they're like. Yeah, they're multi millionaires. Like people who have those street tapes.

[Brian Posehn]

Crazy.

[David Cross]

Like. Yeah, you sold a mil. You. This thing went platinum and like never even. Yeah, they didn't even release it. It's out. Or there's a DJ who's owns an island, you know. Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

That I haven't even tried. But. But like there are like. I feel like we miss out on a lot. I don't know. Like there's comedians I've never heard of and there's shit this. And you're like, how old am I? And what? You don't.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but I mean, it's not like you're. It's just. You're not on the road. You've got a family.

[Brian Posehn]

No, I am on the road.

[David Cross]

Or. You know what I mean? You're not. Yes, you're on the road, but you're not. You are not on the road with no responsibilities.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

You know, you're not hanging out. You're not going out and checking out after the show you're going to go, you know, or do you. Maybe you go to the. Do you jump on other shows when you're not really.

[Brian Posehn]

No. The only thing I try to do to not go crazy is just go to record stores and go to comic book shops when I'm in town and, you know, just trying to not get depressed. Sitting in a hotel room. Yeah.

[David Cross]

And see more doppelgangers.

[Brian Posehn]

Yes.

[David Cross]

Like, I went out on the road the last two tours with Sean Patton, Right. Brilliant, great comedian, great hang. But that guy will. And there's. I'm not this. I'm not disparaging this at all. I mean, it's. It's a thing that I just has no attraction to me. But after the show, like, he's like, hey, man, I'm going to go. There's a really cool club here. Where? Wherever, you know, Ann Arbor, Madison or whatever. And. And I'm gonna jump on, do 15 minutes. I'm like, no, I just.

[Brian Posehn]

The last. I don't want the last thing I want to do.

[David Cross]

But he's younger and.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, my guys don't do that often, but yeah, it is. I like having, you know, another feature out with you because.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Helps not go insane, you know.

[David Cross]

Yeah. That's a big part of it. It. And I. I just think the show is more fun.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[David Cross]

I had. I did a tour long time ago was 2008 with where Todd Glass opened up, and that was a blast. And then after that, I was just doing so much time. I was like, you know what? I just want the stage time I'd rather do. I want the extra 20 minutes, you know, And I did a number of tours where it was just me and I'd go out there and then I think in part because I was. It can get lonely and it's depressing and the travel's really, you know, brutal.

[Brian Posehn]

So you weren't even having a feature or even a local feature. Okay.

[David Cross]

I would just go and do all the time, Right?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And then I was like, fuck it. And I. What became. I'm from the future was going to be a tour, but Covid negated that. Not negated, but stop that. And then Sean was going to open up that. And then. So I had Sean and I chained Torres when Sean couldn't do it.

[Brian Posehn]

Shane's great, too.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And I've got Steve Fury opening up in Canada.

[Brian Posehn]

I like it. Sounds like you agree, but I like to have somebody sets the table. I want them to cry absolutely before me.

[David Cross]

Oh, Sean. I mean, both of those guys are great. Sean is. That's the energy.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

I mean, you know, there. What I really truly thought, like I wanna. I wanna give an opportunity to a trans black woman or something. You know, I really did was like, there are some good comics people I like they're funny, but the energy's not right. And then, you know, ultimately I was like, well, am I gonna get a white guy? And I mean, Sean is perfect and. And really just as you said, sets a table and is his energy, is his subject matter. And his, you know, comedy Persona and skill set is just like. It's perfect for me.

[Brian Posehn]

Right. That's what I look forward to.

[David Cross]

And who opens up for you?

[Brian Posehn]

Usually I got a couple different guys. JT Haversad is a guy out of. You probably know him out of Austin.

[David Cross]

I don't.

[Brian Posehn]

Funny guy. He. He does a festival called Altercation Fest there and. And we just met like co featuring on something years ago and he headlines. But I like my guys to be headliners when they're not with me too.

[David Cross]

You know, both Sean and Shane and.

[Brian Posehn]

And you know, they're there because they want to be there because they know my crowds are going to be fun. And you know, so he's one and then Derek Sheen from out of Seattle. I'm sure you know, Derek don't.

[David Cross]

I mean, just going back to like cattle. I don't know.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, right. Well, I don't know.

[David Cross]

Passing me by.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

But I know people really only. I mean there's, you know, I know because I don't go to comedy clubs on my own and I. I will tour and that's a year of work. But then it takes me a while to get a new hour before I can go out and tour. And so I'll do these. I'll just do sets in Brooklyn, you know, my, you know, shooting the shit, seeing what sticks things. And then I have various people on there that I don't know, but like, yeah, put whoever on. And the bookers know me and my act and they put. So I know people that way and that's that. And then maybe like, oh, a Netflix, you know, whatever the algorithm on the TV points me towards. So that's about it with my guys.

[Brian Posehn]

I just met them different places and then, you know, and then they're the guy. And then I lose them. You know, I had like Ron Funches for a while. Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Anthony Jessel Knight for like a couple of weeks.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And his.

[David Cross]

He said something so.

[Brian Posehn]

Dude, he's one of my favorite guys out there.

[David Cross]

Oh, he's great.

[Brian Posehn]

Like. Yeah. And that he's, you know, taking on other comics and talking about the state of comedy when a lot of us, you know, are quiet about it. You know, this is kind of cool that he doesn't give a. Yeah.

[David Cross]

No, good for. Well, he does give a. That's why.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, yeah, that's. Yeah.

[David Cross]

You know, he's. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate that he doesn't.

[Brian Posehn]

Care about pissing people off.

[David Cross]

Obviously, Sean Patton's a similar way. He's not trying to make nice. And what was I gonna say? Jeselnik, in his last special, had the great line, great observation that, you know, he enjoys what he's doing. And, you know, you're not paying me to be here. You're paying me to travel. And that's what it is. Because when I get out on stage, it's fun. Everybody's having fun. It's great. But the travel aspect of it is awful.

[Brian Posehn]

I've heard different versions of that. I feel like Alice Cooper said something a long time ago where I'm not getting paid for the hour I'm on stage. I'm getting paid for the other 23 hours of my life that are now.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I'm out in Omaha, Nebraska, when I don't want to be, you know, or. Or wherever you are.

[David Cross]

Whatever it takes to get everything together.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Cross]

Meaning the joy is right.

[Brian Posehn]

But it's stepping on that, the joyous stage and not, obviously, checking in at the Courtyard Marriott. You get no joy out of checking in at the Courtyard Marriott.

[David Cross]

Well, that's not true, is it? Are they the one that is.

[Brian Posehn]

That's not the cookie one.

[David Cross]

I like the cookie ones because it smells nice.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Doubletree. That's what Doubletree has the cookie. Get that cookie cork.

[Brian Posehn]

Offer you the cookie. You're allowed to punch them in the mouth. If they don't offer you the cookie, it says it on the little contract.

[David Cross]

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I've gone in several times. They haven't offered the cookie. But I don't want the cookie to begin with, so I don't make a fuss. But then when I walk away, I hear under their breath, jew.

[Brian Posehn]

Whoa.

[David Cross]

Yeah. All the time.

[Brian Posehn]

It's amazing how they. They guess. They know it.

[David Cross]

I. They probably. They're probably. Well, I can't see. Wikipedian. My horns. Yeah. My tail. Is that a thing? Jews have tails. I know Jews have horns.

[Brian Posehn]

Why are you asking me if that's a thing?

[David Cross]

Well, you're the anti Semitic, you giant crowd. You're the Jew hater. Jew hater. Why don't you come to your sense?

[Brian Posehn]

I'm a Jew lover, David. I wouldn't be here if I wasn't.

[David Cross]

If you weren't a Jew lover.

[Brian Posehn]

We're not doing this.

[David Cross]

You know my joke about the having a license plate that says NGR lvr.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, my God.

[David Cross]

And then people going, hey, man, that's. Well. Huh. You know, that's up. You. Well. But I love them.

[Brian Posehn]

Love them.

[David Cross]

Is there anything you. You'd like to plug? I want to make sure everybody knows where to go to see you, what to do.

[Brian Posehn]

I'm doing one that. Well, when was the one? Will this air?

[David Cross]

I think. I think May of 2027.

[Brian Posehn]

So no, I got nothing coming up.

[David Cross]

I've been banking a lot of these.

[Brian Posehn]

You laugh, but Marin does that. Marin does that. Like, he's like, this is for four months from now. And you're like, what the fuck? Why am I here?

[David Cross]

I honestly don't know when this will air, but I can tell you that we have been banking a lot. So I'm going to guess what just aired. James Austin Johnson. I think that's.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, I think that was.

[David Cross]

All right. So there. I'm gonna. So. So this will be the sixth one after that. So a month and a half from now.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, cool. Well, the book I brought you, I'm super excited about. And then this other. I did two during COVID Say it because. So it's about skateboarding in the 80s, if you're watching. And it's about two kids. It's based on Rick Remingder. And I wrote it together. And it was just an idea. I was driving Melanie crazy during COVID because I was sitting at home for two years and doing fucking Legos and just trying to, you know, not go crazy. And so I was working on comic ideas and I wrote another one with a buddy called Rifters with Joe Troman, my buddy from Fall Out Boy. We had an idea and it's just. It's time travel Cops. It's basically like time travel with the police procedural. It's like if you had Dick Wolf with Time Cops. And that's Rifters. And then this one, I just woke up with the title, you know, Grommets.

[David Cross]

Grommet is part of a skateboard. It is.

[Brian Posehn]

But it's also what kids are called that are into skateboarding. It's like you call them grommets. Or young surfers are called grommets. And so it was just specifically Kids. Yeah, but it was. Or somebody who's hardcore and learning, you know, getting into the culture. Okay. And, you know, and is all about it and living that culture. And I just had the name. I woke up with grommets in my brain. And I called Rick Reminder. And I said we both had, like. I worked at a skate shop in Sacramento in the 80s, and I was terrible at it, but I loved it. And, you know, that's how I met a lot of friends is through. You know, the punk kids I met were through skateboarding and the metal kids I met. And so we both had. Had that experience. And I said, let's just write a book. And we just started taking all these real stories that we had. So in the first issue, my grandfather takes me to a skate park, and I bail and I send my braces through my lip. And that's based on a story that really happened. So on the last page, is it you?

[David Cross]

Are you writing about yourself or is this a character?

[Brian Posehn]

The character's named Brian. So it was. Brian and Rick are the two main guys. So.

[David Cross]

And what's Brian's last name?

[Brian Posehn]

Brian's the Hescher. It's never comes up, but it's. It's basically me.

[David Cross]

Can I say, is it Posen?

[Brian Posehn]

Sure.

[David Cross]

Okay.

[Brian Posehn]

But it was. It was really fun getting, you know, and I. I threw my grandfather in there. I threw my situation of, you know, I got kicked out and lived with my grandfather for a while and. And put that in there. And what about your back living in. It doesn't come up in the book, but it should. I mean, that's a whole other story.

[David Cross]

It is, it is, but I mean, that's a. I've always been fascinated by that. Like, what. What a tough situation that would be, especially at that age. And. Oh, for those of you. For the listeners there, for those of you don't know, how old were you at the time?

[Brian Posehn]

24.

[David Cross]

24. Brian got a splinter in his thumb and it hurt a lot.

[Brian Posehn]

I broke my back. I jumped off a lifeguard tower and lived in a hospital for three months and was told that if I had back surgery and they welded my back together, I'd probably never walk again. But if they just let it heal itself, I probably would walk again. So I said, let's try that. Yeah, let's go with that option.

[David Cross]

What's the point of surgery if you're never gonna walk again?

[Brian Posehn]

Who knows? Well, when I. The spinal cord injury clinic I was at, I was the only person there that was gonna walk again at One point it was, man, that's tough. Oh, so heartbreaking. And just like seeing these other kids situations because it was other people my age, you know, it was people that had been, you know, shot in a drive by and severed a spine and a bullet. And mine was just dumb, fucking dumb shit. You know, me just drinking for 14 hours.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And hanging out with these surfer buddies of mine and we jumped off this lifeguard tower. They were both way more athletic than me and landed correctly. And I just wish we would have shot it because I would have had some good footage. Sure.

[David Cross]

That's got to be one of your big jackass.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, totally. But so then I. The whole time I was in a hospital, like because I just started stand up and was getting in at the comedy Store. And then I went home, went back to Sonoma and started live with my mom again and worked at another record store and just kind of like had to sell my car and sell everything to pay the hospital bills that I had now at 24 years old. So yeah, it was brutal. But.

[David Cross]

And just three months in a hospital bed, you know, bedridden.

[Brian Posehn]

But I got through it and I'm so glad like you did.

[David Cross]

Well, spoiler alert.

[Brian Posehn]

But I would have been. I think I was set to fuck up even bigger if I hadn't have done that.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Because I was doing dumb. And by the time I met you, I was a jackass still. But I wasn't like a messy drunk the way I was when I was real young.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

And by 24, that was the last time. I don't think I've ever saw me drunk. But never shitty, shitty drunk. Because I, I didn't want to do that ever again.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

I was like, I'll never let that happen again. Where I'm just completely out of control of myself.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I don't. Yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Well that.

[Brian Posehn]

Lesson learned. Yeah.

[David Cross]

Well that's good. A lot of people don't learn that lesson, you know, so. And you should put. Consider putting that story in there. So Brian. Oh, did you have anything to plug?

[Brian Posehn]

No. Grommets is coming out. The trade paperback and then. And then the Rifters trade paperback image. Both the books, which are great. If you ever come up with a comic idea. I recommend them because I do actually.

[David Cross]

I have one now.

[Brian Posehn]

They're creator owned and you get to. They don't own the ip, they don't take over. If you sold this to a couple other companies then it becomes their IP and you have to split it with them. This way if I sell something with this. It's mine. Still.

[David Cross]

I have an idea. I don't know this world as well as you do. I mean, I know it somewhat, but of a guy. Regular guy. Right. Or seemingly regular guy, who is just a, you know, regular man. Right.

[Brian Posehn]

So can't tell if you. If you actually have a real idea.

[David Cross]

Let me finish.

[Brian Posehn]

All right.

[David Cross]

But he. One day he gets bitten by a radioactive man and becomes a superman. So he's a super.

[Brian Posehn]

So he's like a man bitten by another man?

[David Cross]

Yes, a radioactive man. He goes to a. He goes to a museum exam.

[Brian Posehn]

There's actually a book called Radioactive man, But it's by H.G.

[David Cross]

Wells. I don't. I mean, I know the H.G. wells.

[Brian Posehn]

No, it's. It's the Simpsons comic Book hero. In the Simpsons world, does he get bit? Came up with the Simpsons idea.

[David Cross]

But wait, does he get bit? Does the Radioactive man get bit by a radioactive.

[Brian Posehn]

No, it's way better than their stupid idea. Wow, your idea is so much better.

[David Cross]

He gets. And there's a. I'll put a spin on it. He gets bitten by a radioactive homeless man.

[Brian Posehn]

So now he has the powers of a radioactive homeless man.

[David Cross]

Yes.

[Brian Posehn]

And what are those powers?

[David Cross]

He can melt things over a stove. He can free. He has the power to freeze things in a freezer.

[Brian Posehn]

Right. Wow.

[David Cross]

He can run really fast on a treadmill.

[Brian Posehn]

Images and interesting.

[David Cross]

No, here's my pitch. Here's my real pitch. All right. For real. A guy who can see into the future, but only five seconds into the future. Done.

[Brian Posehn]

I feel like that's been done.

[David Cross]

Really? Yeah, I'm totally kidding. Is that for real thing you can see five seconds of the future?

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. It's a pretty useless power.

[David Cross]

But what would you. That'd be annoying as you would just constantly be going like, watch out, move. No, no.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah, there's a lot of that. That explains.

[David Cross]

Oh, too late. You'd just be saying too late, too. It's too late, man.

[Brian Posehn]

All right. I like to get somebody to draw it.

[David Cross]

I like to close every episode with a question, a real question from my daughter. And this one is for you, Brian. I'll give you that one.

[Brian Posehn]

What's her favorite Mr. Show sketch? Your daughter's.

[David Cross]

That'd be great. Okay, Brian Posane, right here. Why do dragonflies like white so much?

[Brian Posehn]

They're racist.

[David Cross]

You're not answering me. You're answering. You can answer it any way you see fit. It's a seven year old. He's asking you, why do dragonflies like white so much? And you can Answer it in any way you see fit.

[Brian Posehn]

Ask your mom.

[David Cross]

That's a. That's. I mean. Okay, that. All right. I don't wanna. I don't wanna be a hypocrite here if that's your answer.

[Brian Posehn]

No, I wish I had a real answer. Now I'm. Now I feel bad because.

[David Cross]

Well, don't feel bad.

[Brian Posehn]

But this child, she has no other way of finding this out.

[David Cross]

She's not gonna listen to this.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, okay.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I mean, maybe years from now, but tell her.

[Brian Posehn]

Google it.

[David Cross]

I mean, that's what I would say.

[Brian Posehn]

Right. Or ask your mom. Right.

[David Cross]

I've never said ask your mom to any. You know, unless it's like, you don't.

[Brian Posehn]

Want to be that dad.

[David Cross]

No, I'm not.

[Brian Posehn]

That's a lazy dad.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I don't. I'm not an ask your mom thing.

[Brian Posehn]

No, I'm not. Really.

[David Cross]

Unless it's like, you know, can I. You know, can I have a. Stay up and watch whatever. Yeah. Ask her mom. If she's okay with it, I'll. I'm okay with it. Right, but.

[Brian Posehn]

So you do say that.

[David Cross]

And on occasion, in that. In that scenario.

[Brian Posehn]

Specific.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but, like, if it's a. If it's. She really has gotten caught on the. The question. She really doesn't understand. If. If la. If lava can melt all this stuff, why isn't it melting the volcano? That's a real thing to her. Like, I don't. It makes no sense. I don't get it.

[Brian Posehn]

She's not wrong.

[David Cross]

No, no. I'm not saying she is. I'm not even putting any judgment on it. I'm just saying it's a. It. She really. The logic has tripped her up, and she hasn't found a satisfactory answer for herself, like, why. And I get that. You know, it's like, that's a good question. You know, And I. And I. She just turned eight, like, last week on stage. Yeah. That's good.

[Brian Posehn]

I think they all were, like, I had. I had fun, even, like, when they Kind of like that first year.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I know.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. There was something about it where you're just like, when are you gonna.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah. You're just waiting for talk. And.

[Brian Posehn]

But then every level after that. And like, I was saying, like, Even with the 15, you know, there's something super fun about sharing your life with this person. I mean, I now absolutely have somebody you can actually talk about movies and, like, it's so. It's so cool. And it's not something that I ever thought that my life was Missing, you know, like, I need this. I need this other person that reflects. That's half of me. But to have that is. It's so fulfilling. And so, you know.

[David Cross]

Yeah, we.

[Brian Posehn]

Things I get out of parenting that I never thought I would get out of it.

[David Cross]

You know, I. We watched Human Centipede and. And we had, like, a discussion, you know, afterwards.

[Brian Posehn]

Right.

[David Cross]

And she wrote a paper up. She's in second grade.

[Brian Posehn]

They have to.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And. And illustrations.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And. And just. And I'd ask her questions like, why do you think. What. Why do you think the scientists wanted to do this? And what do you think? How do you think these folks felt? And Depends on who's.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Which. Yeah. Which part you are.

[David Cross]

Yeah, let's. Let's think of it from both ends, as it were. That's not a pun. No pun intended. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's all.

[Brian Posehn]

It's.

[David Cross]

It's really fun. She's. You know, what she's into now? Completely on her own. I shouldn't say completely on her own because obviously I do this, but she came to it on her own, collecting baseball cards.

[Brian Posehn]

Oh, that's cool.

[David Cross]

Yeah, it's great. It's really cool.

[Brian Posehn]

How did she find that on her own?

[David Cross]

Well, I collect baseball cards. And. I don't know. I can't remember. It wasn't. It's only been about four or five months, but I guess maybe. Oh, I know what it was. I know what it was. I. She had seen me opening packs. Can I open one? And they would ask me about the cards, and they're. You know, some of the cards have refractors and some. And so they'd be quote, unquote.

[Brian Posehn]

And that's something you still collect? You still.

[David Cross]

I do, yeah.

[Brian Posehn]

Yeah. Wow.

[David Cross]

And I like this. And da, da, da. And it was less about the players, but then there are a handful of players. She'd know, because I watch baseball all the time. And I took her to a single. A Mets team called the Cyclones out on Coney Island. And she was into that and. And mostly about the. I mean, almost all of it was about the fun surrounding the game, but not the game, but, oh, there's a player. There's, you know, he's a batter, he's a pitcher. And via the cards, it's gotten more into the idea baseball.

[Brian Posehn]

That's cool.

[David Cross]

And, yeah. And I got her some, you know, top Series one, Series two, which are, like, on the cheap, getting kids into collecting stuff. And she rips open the packs. I'm like, dad, I got a special one. Is this a sleeve or no? Because I get penny sleeves.

[Brian Posehn]

Right, right.

[David Cross]

That sleeve goes in the sleeve.

[Brian Posehn]

Cool.

[David Cross]

Yeah, it's really cool.

[Brian Posehn]

My guy's really into vinyl now, but he's. He's always been a collector. Yeah. Cool. Right on.

[David Cross]

Okay, man. Sense is working Overtime is a Headgum podcast created and hosted by me, David Cross. The show is edited by Katie Skelton and engineered by Nicole Lyons with supervising producer Emma Foley. Thanks to Demi Druchin for our show art and Mark Rivers for our theme song. For more podcasts by headgum, visit headgum.com or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and maybe we'll read it on a future episode. I'm not going to do that. Thanks for listening. That was a Headgum podcast.