Nick Thune

Summary

Podcast Summary: Senses Working Overtime with David Cross featuring Nick Thune

Release Date: June 12, 2025

Introduction

In this lively episode of Senses Working Overtime with David Cross, host David Cross engages in a candid and humorous conversation with comedian Nick Thune. The duo delves into a myriad of topics ranging from life on the road, personal struggles with health and sobriety, to amusing anecdotes from their careers and personal lives. Their effortless banter creates an engaging atmosphere, making the podcast both entertaining and insightful for listeners.

Life on the Road and Comedy

The conversation kicks off with David and Nick discussing the challenges and peculiarities of living and performing in New York City. They reminisce about the early days of Nick's stand-up career in Staten Island, highlighting the evolution of the comedy scene downtown. Nick shares his experience of busking in Oslo, emphasizing the strong command of English among locals which makes international performances enjoyable.

Nick Thune [02:22]: "I do a little busking. I do a kind of what if scenario. What if the spin doctors were cast in Hamlet and it's just the spin doctors doing Hamlet."

Personal Health Struggles and Sobriety

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing personal health challenges. Both comedians reveal their battles with alcoholism and Lyme disease. David recounts his harrowing experience of overdosing on vodka while being treated for Lyme disease, which led him to seek rehab—a decision that ultimately saved his life. Nick shares a similar journey, detailing the intense physical and emotional toll of untreated Lyme disease exacerbated by excessive drinking.

David Cross [25:30]: "I was so deep into alcoholism that I couldn't, they were giving me, you know, and I, whatever antibiotics and I, they weren't working because I was drinking a bottle and a half of vodka a day probably."

Nick Thune [26:43]: "I stopped putting everything up high in the room because I'm like, I just don't want to pee on this stuff. I know it's going to happen."

Relationships and Family Life

The conversation transitions to personal relationships, with David discussing his ex-wife and the impact of his addiction on his family life. The comedians reflect on the chaos caused by their struggles, including embarrassing incidents like urinating in hotel rooms and the strain it placed on their marriages.

David Cross [27:07]: "We got divorced after I got sober. It was coming, it was already in the works."

Anecdotes from the Comedy World

Nick shares some humorous and memorable stories from his time in the comedy circuit, including a night he wore a dress to a bar and an encounter with a stranger who gave him a unique T-shirt. These stories highlight the unpredictable and often absurd nature of life as a comedian.

Nick Thune [52:45]: "We were doing a Mr. Show thing... I wore Sarah's dress."

Baseball and Personal Interests

A passionate discussion about baseball ensues, with both comedians expressing their love for the sport. David talks about meeting Clayton Kershaw and attending memorable games like the Dodgers' World Series win at Fenway Park. Nick shares his experiences attending Braves games and the thrill of witnessing pivotal moments in baseball history.

David Cross [55:35]: "I threw out the first pitch for the Mariners. Full uniform with running shoes on."

Nick Thune [56:10]: "I have been lucky enough. I've seen a lot of losses because I'm Braves, Red Sox. But I also got to see the Braves win in '95 at the last game at the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium."

Cultural Observations and Travel Tales

The hosts discuss their travels, particularly Nick's upcoming performances in Canada and Europe. They touch upon cultural differences, such as Canadians' reputation for politeness and the humorous idea of Utah becoming the 51st state. Their stories provide a glimpse into the life of touring comedians and the unique interactions they encounter abroad.

Nick Thune [43:50]: "I feel like apologizing to people... it's weird going through customs because it's like you have to. You look at them and you're like, yeah, hey, I know what's going on."

Conclusion and Light-Hearted Moments

As the episode winds down, Nick promotes his YouTube channel, Born Young, before addressing a charming question from David's daughter, Marlo. David humorously explains the difference between red and blue flames through a playful reference to The Matrix, maintaining the episode's light-hearted tone.

David Cross [75:43]: "Marlo, I would say the difference between a red and a blue flame is if you've seen the Matrix. Has she seen the Matrix?"

Notable Quotes

• Nick Thune [26:55]: "I'm looking forward to it. I just haven't been home much, that's all."
• David Cross [73:37]: "What a feeling, too. To be... I was at Game 7 when the Astros beat the Dodgers the year they cheated."

Final Thoughts

This episode of Senses Working Overtime offers a deep dive into the lives of two seasoned comedians. Through their honest and humorous exchanges, David Cross and Nick Thune explore themes of resilience, personal growth, and the enduring pursuit of laughter amidst life's challenges. Their stories not only entertain but also provide valuable insights into overcoming adversity and the healing power of comedy.

Transcript

[David Cross]

This is a headgum podcast.

[Nick Thune]

Right, Nick, Take your choice here. Either of those? Okay. Sorry. It caught me a little. Little unawares, but we're good to go now. Oh, let me put this on silent. Nicole, can I get a water? Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I have to pick out. Okay, let's see. Let's bring that up here. How you doing, man?

[David Cross]

I'm doing great. How about you?

[Nick Thune]

I'm all right. You know, I'd say day to day is touch and go. No, day to day is good overall. Yeah. Are you in New York?

[David Cross]

No, I mean right now. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Right. But for when people.

[David Cross]

I wish. I wish I lived here.

[Nick Thune]

Watch on YouTube, then they'll know it's not a will I am situation. Thank you.

[David Cross]

Last night I was dreaming of living in New York. It was so fun. I did nine sets last night.

[Nick Thune]

Really? Jesus. My record's five.

[David Cross]

Really?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. My personal record is five.

[David Cross]

It was all within the, you know, the neighborhood, so.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, that's one of the cute. Yeah. As long as you're not going uptown, but. Yeah. If you can stay 23rd and below, then.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

This was a while ago, before there were a lot of other comedian downtown stuff. Before. Yeah, there was a. I think the population was under a million when I was started doing stand up in New York. Yeah. And most of that was Staten Island.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And they made it over.

[Nick Thune]

And what do you.

[David Cross]

How did they get over from that island?

[Nick Thune]

Paddle. You know, they were the first ones with a. I don't know what you call it. Where you stand on the stand on the surfboard. Yeah. And then paddle. So. Yes, that's how they. That originated in Staten Island. Get it? Go donate it to charity once you got to Manhattan.

[David Cross]

Or surfboard.

[Nick Thune]

Yep. And then you'd have to work until you got money for another one to go back. Vice versa. Or same again, donate it to charity work until you got another paddle.

[David Cross]

So it's pretty much all nonprofit.

[Nick Thune]

No, it was for profit. This was a really, really, really early Bill Gates thing. Really early.

[David Cross]

Like before Windows 95.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, way before. Yeah. This would have been like 1895, when that was a different thing. They had Windows 95, but it was not.

[David Cross]

Well, in 1895, it was about birds because the amount that were crashing in a window. Suicide.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, suicide.

[David Cross]

You think that's on accident, those birds?

[Nick Thune]

Oh, I never even thought of that. So you think they're just despondent and.

[David Cross]

They had a choosing.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, wow. I never. That didn't occur to me. So is that. So when a plane goes down because a bird gets caught in it. Is that.

[David Cross]

That's a murder suicide.

[Nick Thune]

That's a. That's the plane doing a suicide. It's not murder suicide on the birds.

[David Cross]

The plane sees the bird, right?

[Nick Thune]

Diverts into the.

[David Cross]

Yeah, it goes right into it.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, man. There's so much depression and anxiety these days, and it's just going to make it worse with planes deciding to commit suicide.

[David Cross]

I would, too. With this atmosphere.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. With the stratosphere or the theosphere. Which atmosphere? Or I would go both. Both.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Because we're stratosphere, right? No, we're troposphere, and that stratosphere is.

[David Cross]

Above us, and that's where planes go.

[Nick Thune]

Some planes, yeah. You know, if they're good.

[David Cross]

If they're the good planes, we get.

[Nick Thune]

To go to the stratosphere.

[David Cross]

Bad planes stay down.

[Nick Thune]

Stay down. The troposphere.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

It is hot in here. Am I correct, Nicole? Yeah.

[David Cross]

I got you.

[Nick Thune]

I know it's relative, but how are you feeling? Comfort.

[David Cross]

I could always be colder.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, me too. Oh, hence New York. Where are you from?

[David Cross]

Seattle.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, right, that. I knew that. Can I jump in really quick and just fix this? I'm so sorry. Yeah. What's.

[David Cross]

Is it? This? No, no, no.

[Nick Thune]

I think they were having an issue with that last week.

[David Cross]

That Mike, they're gonna need to solder that.

[Nick Thune]

That might be the one Mark Norman farted into.

[David Cross]

O.

[Nick Thune]

Is why it hasn't been working that great since then.

[David Cross]

I wonder how many mics he's ruined or broken.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, I mean, it's gotta be upwards of, you know, 100.

[David Cross]

I hope somebody's put together a highlight clip of him farting on mics.

[Nick Thune]

That would be good. He didn't fart on the mic. He just farted on.

[David Cross]

Mike, I have a memory of you farting in Seattle.

[Nick Thune]

Sure. I mean, that's my farting place at Bumpershoot.

[David Cross]

You remember that festival there?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. But what was.

[David Cross]

We were on, like, a balcony above Pike Place Market somehow.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, Sarah Bennett's apartment.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Right on the. The greatest apartment ever.

[David Cross]

It was on the.

[Nick Thune]

Literally above the market part of the market, because they have, like, 50 apartments scattered throughout the whole thing. And then access to the roof, which was the entirety of the market. Pike's Place Market. And looking out over the sound is beautiful.

[David Cross]

And it was. Yeah. And growing up there, I was like, how do you. How did this.

[Nick Thune]

You know, it's a very coveted apartment.

[David Cross]

We were up there, and it was. I mean, it was a. I think Zach was there. It was A very. To me, a very sophisticated.

[Nick Thune]

Brian.

[David Cross]

Zach.

[Nick Thune]

Brian. Yeah.

[David Cross]

Very sophisticated inner comedy, alt, like, you know, and there was even musicians there. And in the middle of kind of a very serious conversation, you go actually. And then for it.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And I've. I mean, I remember telling my family and everybody I knew really, about that for maybe a month or two.

[Nick Thune]

Was it a good Thanksgiving story?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Okay, good. Well, that's what it's for. And I peaked then, and I've gone downhill ever since. You know why?

[David Cross]

No.

[Nick Thune]

I stopped farting.

[David Cross]

How did you stop?

[Nick Thune]

I went to this dietician and he just. I went to this dietitian. We. Long story short, very long story short, we fell in love.

[David Cross]

Stretch it out.

[Nick Thune]

And he gave me a butt plug, and now I just burp.

[David Cross]

See, I am the. I've never burped in my life.

[Nick Thune]

Really?

[David Cross]

Yeah. Maybe like once before. Puking.

[Nick Thune]

Is that for real?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

How. Why? How is that possible?

[David Cross]

I don't know. I don't know how to do it.

[Nick Thune]

What if you just, like, chug to Coke?

[David Cross]

I would be very uncomfortable, and then eventually it would probably find its way out.

[Nick Thune]

So you have something wrong with you because burping is just a function, I think, of getting the bloat out, getting the gas out. Getting it.

[David Cross]

But, I mean, you can get the gas out in other ways.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, but that's.

[David Cross]

I mean, I think I have a problem letting go. I think that there's a. There's something. Because when I do puke.

[Nick Thune]

Have you seen Frozen?

[David Cross]

Hard to. No.

[Nick Thune]

You should see Frozen. That has a life lesson about letting go in it.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I would love to see that movie.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Wait, I've seen Frozen. Oh, let it go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a Josh.

[Nick Thune]

It's about burping and farting and gas and internal combustion.

[David Cross]

You know, that's the Josh Gad vehicle.

[Nick Thune]

It is a Josh Gad vehicle. Yeah. And tent pole, as it were, for the Josh Gad Industries. And you have one kid? No, one. One.

[David Cross]

One kid.

[Nick Thune]

And who's got to be older now? How old?

[David Cross]

Yes. 11.

[Nick Thune]

11. But did. Was there a frozen phase?

[David Cross]

There was a big cars phase. In fact, I think I've seen. I love Cars 2. I mean, Cars 1's great, but Cars 2 really has the kind of European element to it.

[Nick Thune]

I haven't seen either, but I just. I think because of timing, you know? But I'm a huge Pixar fan, so.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Well, wait, how old is your kid?

[Nick Thune]

Eight. Just turned eight.

[David Cross]

Do you watch. Do they watch movies?

[Nick Thune]

Her pronouns are she and her.

[David Cross]

Okay, see how I navigated that?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, it was great. Yeah. She watches movies. Sallow Showa gosh. What else? The Painted Bird.

[David Cross]

Subtitle. Stuff.

[Nick Thune]

Human Centipede. I mean, tons of stuff. Stuff she's big into. The Human Centipede musical.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And is that on Broadway or is that off?

[Nick Thune]

It was off on Broadway, which is on Broadway but never runs, is the kind of technical definition.

[David Cross]

I just showed my son a movie that I think you're familiar with.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I know what it is.

[David Cross]

What?

[Nick Thune]

Oh, pun for Red October 7 7. What'd you show your son?

[David Cross]

Chip. Chipmunks.

[Nick Thune]

Chipmunks. Of course. That's what I was referring to.

[David Cross]

Loved it.

[Nick Thune]

Kids love it, man. It's a billion dollar franchise.

[David Cross]

But as an adult watching movies with kids, it was fun.

[Nick Thune]

I had that. It sounds like it's bullshit, but I did have that in mind, like knowing, all right, adults are gonna have to sit and watch this thing over and over and over again. So I, you know, spiced it up a little bit with what I could for the mom, I'm sure. Moms and dads and grandparents and uncles and niece. Aunts and, you know, it's.

[David Cross]

It's always a pleasure when you're. When you're like, okay, let's watch a movie. Oh, my God, yes, let's please watch this one.

[Nick Thune]

And. But he took to it.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

All right, good.

[David Cross]

Yeah. He takes to all, you know, anything I show him, really.

[Nick Thune]

Because, you know, there's some movies my daughter just doesn't. She's. I started showing her Hundreds of Beavers, which I thought she would love. Have you seen it?

[David Cross]

I have only seen the preview and I was going to try and I was. I'm planning on watching that.

[Nick Thune]

It's great. I really enjoyed it. And I thought. I mean, that was just like, she's going to love this. And, you know, not that she didn't like it, but she got, I don't know, 10 minutes in and was. Just. Because she watches these absurdist, crazy, very funny and clever cartoons like Bluey or something. She loves Bluey, but I'm not. Bluey's great. It's fucking awesome. But I'm not talking about that so much as, like, karate Sheep. Have you seen that? Which I think is out of Quebec. There's a bunch of Korean stuff, Mr. Bread. There's brown. What is it called? There's these very short, short little things, anywhere from like five to eight minutes an episode. And they're really funny and absurd and crazy. And so I thought she would like Hundreds of Beavers. But she didn't.

[David Cross]

She didn't like an art house film.

[Nick Thune]

I guess that was part of it. She found it derivative, cloying, pretentious, derivative. She said, and I quote, this is not auteur. Clearly these filmmakers have their heads up their own asses and I'd like my money back. And I explained, well, you didn't pay any money. We're watching on tv. And she said, well, how do we get access to this? Surely somebody's getting paid. Everybody's got their hand out. This is America, God damn it. And I kind of explained cable. I was like, yes, but I'm providing for the family. And so I've got the cable system. And she went into this whole fucking thing about Keynesian economics and all this shit.

[David Cross]

I mean, she should just take it to the comment section, you know? I mean, that's what I tell my son. It's like, sound off.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Go and find whatever. A trailer. Find anything where you can actually put your opinion on the bottom of this. Yeah, we went. I took him to a museum, and he was wondering where the comment section was.

[Nick Thune]

Did you take him to the comment section? Which museum?

[David Cross]

No, the Holocaust Museum.

[Nick Thune]

I have a lot of negative comments about the Holocaust Museum. It is a fucking bummer.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

What is the point?

[David Cross]

Can you write these down? That's the thing is you want to be able to write. Be able to put it under whatever you're looking at there. Kind of like on YouTube, where you can scroll down.

[Nick Thune]

That's what I do. I write it on the wall and then with a Sharpie.

[David Cross]

This sucks.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. And then I'll. My comment handle is Dr. Poopypants. And then I put that down and I do it in a silver Sharpie.

[David Cross]

So mine's in Cincotti 503. What is it in Cincotti.

[Nick Thune]

In Cincotti 503.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Is that like an area code?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Is it Seattle area code?

[David Cross]

That's Portland.

[Nick Thune]

Portland, right. So you kind of just throws people off the track a little bit, but also damage to your roots.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah. The Northwest.

[Nick Thune]

Pacific Northwest.

[David Cross]

Sorry.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Isn't it interesting how in Canada they would call that the Southwest?

[David Cross]

I never even thought of that.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Southwest. Yeah. Because if you're like, let's.

[Nick Thune]

If you're in Yellowknife. Right. Yukon Territories.

[David Cross]

Yeah. And if you're in, like, Anaheim, la is Northern California.

[Nick Thune]

Well, I wouldn't say that. Still Southern California.

[David Cross]

Okay. Yeah, but north of.

[Nick Thune]

But Southern California is also Southern California to Canada. Yeah, but they would Just refer to Seattle or Vancouver island or Vancouver, Washington, as southwest.

[David Cross]

And in Mexico, they say, do you know Spanish?

[Nick Thune]

I know a ton of.

[David Cross]

Mm.

[Nick Thune]

Okay, wait. What is a ton in Spanish?

[David Cross]

I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta roll the N.

[Nick Thune]

So it's. I can have a conversation with somebody in Spanish. I wouldn't say fluent, but I. But enough so that we could communicate if, like, if I go. Want to get, say, a taco or a burrito or a chalupe or a taquito or a chimichanga or a fajita. Fajitas are an American invention, just so we all are clear.

[David Cross]

But they took the Spanish word fajita, which means sizzle.

[Nick Thune]

Sizzle.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. And so. And that's why Sizzler, the steak company, went out of business because they were sued by fajitas.

[David Cross]

Yeah, There are some fajitas locations still down in. In Mexico.

[Nick Thune]

Fajita ritas.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. All right. I like how you say Mexico. Yeah.

[David Cross]

Thank you.

[Nick Thune]

What's your favorite part of Mexico?

[David Cross]

I mean, I would. I would honestly say the middle of it because you get. That's where you feel, you know, kind of entrenched in the whole Mexican thing. I've been in Mexico City. Love it. I've been north of that. Scary. I've been south of that. I feel lost. But Mexico City, which I think is kind of middle, feels like Spain in a lot of ways, which, you know, me being European in descent is nice.

[Nick Thune]

Where's your family from?

[David Cross]

Seattle. And then before that, Norway.

[Nick Thune]

There you go. That was the answer I was looking for. Just following the.

[David Cross]

Yeah, back I have to.

[Nick Thune]

Part of the conversation.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah, No, I know, but I had to go back from the beginning into that. I also. Don't you ever feel weird like, saying, oh, I'm Norwegian. Oh, really?

[Nick Thune]

I would feel very weird saying I'm Norwegian because I'm clearly not. No, there's nothing Norwegian about me. What are you, Finnish? Yeah.

[David Cross]

That's not far.

[Nick Thune]

No, not at all. But it's a quite a different. It's like, as you know, like, Finland is different to Norway. As you know, Georgia is. To Mississippi.

[David Cross]

Would they say that? Is Finland Scandinavian?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah, sure.

[Nick Thune]

Why not?

[David Cross]

That's nice.

[Nick Thune]

Let's do it. Yeah. I'm actually going to be in Norway. I'll be in Oslo in about a week.

[David Cross]

Oh, wow.

[Nick Thune]

Believe it or not, a week and two days from this conversation right now. I don't know. By the time this goes out, I will have already come and gone. I hope I had a Good time.

[David Cross]

I bet you did.

[Nick Thune]

I like Oslo.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Have you been to Oslo?

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I love Oslo. And have you been Bergen or whatever?

[Nick Thune]

I've not. Oslo is the only part of Norway I've been to.

[David Cross]

Are you going to perform there?

[Nick Thune]

Yes. Out on the street. I do a little busking. I do a kind of what if scenario. What if the spin doctors were cast in Hamlet and it's just the spin doctors doing Hamlet.

[David Cross]

That's interesting. I mean, I could see how it works on the streets. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. It's cool. I mean, and they most. I'd say most meeting more than half of the people, especially in Oslo, have a pretty good English. Pretty good grasp of English. So. Yeah, it's fun. It relates. And then you get tourists who come in and kind of gather and what's going on. And then they'll throw in some euros and there you go.

[David Cross]

They do euros up there?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. What did you think they did?

[David Cross]

I thought they did a different. I thought they. I thought they did.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, the kroner.

[David Cross]

Yeah, the cr.

[Nick Thune]

It's. No, it's not a kroner. That's Sweden. Theirs is the crone, I think. Is that right?

[David Cross]

That's something. But I thought that they never kind of submitted to the eu. Kind of.

[Nick Thune]

You know what? I don't know. I've been speaking out of school.

[David Cross]

I don't know. I mean, I. I'm sure they did. I'm sure they made it.

[Nick Thune]

I think it's Crohn's the crone.

[David Cross]

If I remember the trail, the rate is. I mean, it's.

[Nick Thune]

It's crazy.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Because I'm paying for everybody's health insurance there. Every time I step foot, I got to get a herring. I go to get a herring. Right?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

You know. Right. You go get a herring. And then it's like, what? How much is this? And I'm paying for some motherfucker's health care. What the.

[David Cross]

It's disgusting.

[Nick Thune]

It's disgusting.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

You know, treat me like that. I'm coming to your country and now I gotta take care of your sick kid.

[David Cross]

Have you seen their hospitals?

[Nick Thune]

Ugh. No.

[David Cross]

Me neither.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I wouldn't. Oh, you know what? Actually, even though we were just having a little bit of fun there, we're speaking with Nick Thune, by the way. Nick Thune. I did have to go to the doctors when I was in Oslo, and I've had a couple of experiences with healthcare abroad, and this is one of them where I had what turned out to be Lyme. I Have Lyme's disease.

[David Cross]

I had that.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Well, you don't really ever get rid of it.

[David Cross]

Unfortunately, I found it pretty quick, so I think that.

[Nick Thune]

So did I. I got lucky. I actually found it in Sweden. And by the time I got to Oslo on this other tour, I was like, okay, I gotta take care of this, because this is not good. And I'm. And, you know, everybody has their own different reactions to it, but. Fuck, it's a bummer, man.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Tell me yours in a second. But my. Everything ached like I had been in a boxing match. Like, every fucking muscle is hard to walk. Everything ached. And I got extremely irritable in a. In a way that had nothing to do with the achiness. It was like this exhausted, really exhausted. I couldn't walk. Just walking a block was so painful. And I didn't know what was going on at first. I had no idea. And I got irritable first, which was. And I was with my wife, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Because I got way blown out of proportion. Angry about her not wanting to bring the suitcase up to the room or something. Where could I take, like, just completely inappropriately, like, what the fuck? Why can't you, you know, like, just not acceptable. Not like me to get all that upset about that. And. And then, like, later on, saw the bullseye. And I had been upstate prior to that. I'd been upstate in the woods.

[David Cross]

And where was the bullseye?

[Nick Thune]

Like. Like thigh. Not thigh. What is this? Calf. Calf or thigh? No, thigh or calf. One of those.

[David Cross]

I had mine. Yeah, right there. And why were you saving my life similar to yours? I would, like. I remember, like, going down to get in my car and sitting down, and I couldn't sit. All of a sudden, my tailbone hurt so bad.

[Nick Thune]

So weird, man.

[David Cross]

And then I had to go lay down. And then an hour, two hours later, I'd get up and sit down. It's fine. Now my elbow hurts, you know, it was just kind of like this, kind of. But I got it. My tick was up in my hairline and found it in Montreal, but I got it, I think, in Bloomington, Indiana. I went to go jump off that. You know the movie Breaking Away? You remember that?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I love that movie.

[David Cross]

I do, too. Yeah. I found that quarry and, like, jumped off that rock into it.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, nice.

[David Cross]

Which it's now gone. They, like, blew it up. They got rid of it or something, I guess, because it was dangerous.

[Nick Thune]

But before you jumped?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, my gosh.

[David Cross]

So how did you part of the wrecking crew. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Oh my gosh. So, yeah.

[David Cross]

And yeah, but I remember I was like going through trees. They were slapping me in the head, you know, it was just whatever. But it saved my life really because.

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[David Cross]

By texting 64,000 you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from Pocket host. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply. [e-mail] terms because I really, I was so deep into alcoholism that I couldn't, they were giving me, you know, and I whatever antibiotics and I, they weren't working because I was drinking a bottle and a half of vodka a day probably. And then on top of that, they got back my blood test and the doctor was like, hey, I think you forgot to mention something. There's a bit of an enzyme problem in your liver right now, which was like that I went to rehab that day.

[Nick Thune]

Wow.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

So I'm sorry, the chronology is you got Lyme disease. You went to get that checked out and antibiotics and whatever that stuff is for that. While you're doing that, they're like, hey, you've got a severe drinking problem.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Which I knew. I mean, I figured since I was drinking in my car on the way to the doctor's appointment.

[Nick Thune]

Nick, I had no idea. When was it?

[David Cross]

10 in the morning.

[Nick Thune]

When was it?

[David Cross]

Six years ago. I mean, I was sober six years.

[Nick Thune]

Wow.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, it was like a 10 year. I was sober when I was young. And then I started drinking again. I thought I didn't really enjoy my 30s and then gave it a good 10 year tenure.

[Nick Thune]

So in 10 years, you built up enough resistance that you could drink a bottle and a half of vodka a day. That seems like an accelerated descent into alcoholism.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but when you're like, you know, you're touring and you're like going out.

[Nick Thune]

Dude, you don't have to tell me. I know, but it's like I could just.

[David Cross]

I was alone so much, and I wasn't just drink like afternoon, I was drinking at 2 in the morning. When I woke up to pee, I would take like an equivalent to like five shots.

[Nick Thune]

So then, wow. Jesus. So you. You recognize that that's an issue? That's a problem. That's not normal.

[David Cross]

The first time I looked myself in the mirror, like after I started drinking again, I was like, you're an idiot. You're an idiot. But enjoy it.

[Nick Thune]

Did you have that kind of personality where it's like you just dive in? I mean, to go from starting to drink to. I'm going to have five shots at two in the morning when I get to pee before you go back to bed.

[David Cross]

It's deep in me. It's just, I mean, just numbing and wanting to, you know.

[Nick Thune]

And where's your. Where's not physically, but where's your family in all of this while this is happening?

[David Cross]

Scared and watching.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Well, surely your wife.

[David Cross]

Ex wife.

[Nick Thune]

Ex wife. Understandable. Your ex wife must have said something to you.

[David Cross]

Yeah, and everybody would. I mean, and there was big moments of like, just really doing dumb shit. Locking myself out of hotel rooms naked in some city and at a family Member's wedding, like just.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, boy.

[David Cross]

Peeing in elevators. You know, like the kind of stuff that, that I think cool people do sometimes.

[Nick Thune]

Rock and roll, man.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Sammy Hagar would have done it.

[David Cross]

You know what Sammy Hagar used to do too? Like, what I used to do is have to put my bag in my hotel rooms, like up on the top shelf so I wouldn't pee on it. Because for some reason I loved pissing on my bag in the middle of the night when I would wake up looking for the bathroom as like a.

[Nick Thune]

You mean consciously aware that you're peeing on your bag?

[David Cross]

No, Totally unaware. But the unconscious me, the blackout me.

[Nick Thune]

Right. It was like, I'm going to get back at me for doing this to me.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I'm going to make going home very weird.

[Nick Thune]

Dumbass. Wow.

[David Cross]

So I started putting everything up high in the room because I'm like, I just don't want to pee on this stuff. I know it's going to happen.

[Nick Thune]

And, and how are your shows when you're, when you're this.

[David Cross]

They were just getting progressively harder and worse. And I mean, were you sloppy?

[Nick Thune]

Were you?

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was getting through it and doing, you know, I was doing okay.

[Nick Thune]

And you're doing, you're doing an hour at this point, right?

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah. I was on the road, like full on. Yeah. And the. If I ever see a clip or a picture from when it got really, really bad. It's. It's tough. It's like, God, that slow talking kind of like. And I know that in. Somewhere in me, I think I'm being like, very thoughtful on stage when really I'm just trying to keep it together.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

You know, because you never really feel great. It's always. You're always in the midst of either coming down or too much. There's never like a, hey, yeah, this is good. Unless you do coke, then it's all good.

[Nick Thune]

Right. That's what coke. That's really the only reason coke should exist is to even you out, you know, from alcohol.

[David Cross]

Yeah. From a downer. That's why they want.

[Nick Thune]

And so after you got sober, did you try to reach back with your ex wife? Did you try to say, think I'm better? Was that a thing that you wanted to do?

[David Cross]

I mean, that happened. We got divorced after I got sober. Oh, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Wow. You must be a real piece of work.

[David Cross]

No, I mean, it was, it was coming. It was just like it was a thing that was happening and it was already was. It was in the. It was already in the works.

[Nick Thune]

Was the beginning of sobriety difficult?

[David Cross]

No, because I wanted it so bad, because I did want to live, and. And it wasn't like I just got sober, and it was fine. Like, two days into rehab, I was taken to the hospital because of delirium, tremors, and seizuring. And I was right.

[Nick Thune]

Sorry. For a second, I was thinking you kind of on your own, just went, I'm gonna do this. But you checked yourself in rehab, which.

[David Cross]

Ensures that you're not medically gonna take me down.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, you're not gonna have any access to that.

[David Cross]

But benzos and alcohol and all that stuff is just like. You can't just stop taking that if you're doing it at that level. But, yeah, it was. I just want. And your dad. My dad. My son's 5, and people were telling me, like, my dad was an alcoholic, but he quit before I was 5, and I never remember him drinking. So I thought, well, this is a good opportunity for that.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Were there any. Not red flags, but anything you. Any behavior that you did with your son, around your son, that was dangerous?

[David Cross]

No, luckily, I mean. I mean, just being drunk around anybody is dangerous.

[Nick Thune]

I guess I was thinking more in terms of, like, Michael Jackson hanging the baby over the balcony moment.

[David Cross]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That as a joke, obviously, was fun, but. No, no, it was. It was definitely like a thing that I was just on my own doing. I was living my own life, you know, kind of apart from everybody else.

[Nick Thune]

Right. Well, I mean, that's one of the multiple negative aspects of being on the road, you know, and that feeling of those hotels can be so depressing. And. And have you ever gone to the wrong hotel room? To the wrong hotel room because it was the one you were in last night? Yeah, yeah, I've done that. Where My card's not working. God damn it. I'm gonna have to go back to reception. The card's not working. You know, Da, da da da. And then you're like, oh, wait, oh, that was last night. You know, 4:20 was last night's room. I'm in 1601 now. Whatever. Okay.

[David Cross]

It's like, yeah, yeah. This. This trip, I had to write on my. On some piece of paper. I was like, 9:19. Okay, good. Remember that because it is. It is like, how. How are we putting all these numbers?

[Nick Thune]

I take the little packet, it comes in with me, or I tear off the number because I will forget because you're just constantly in a different. And they look the same. They're. They're. They're very Very similar. And there's a, you know, a handful of types. There's the kind of faux boutique Y one. Right. Like, and I'm not saying anything negative about these chains. They just. There's the kimptonish one.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah, right. Those ones are great.

[Nick Thune]

And then there's the, you know, the residence inn type of one. And all the carpeting is the same as the other ones. And all the. And then there is the, like, there's.

[David Cross]

The knee jerky and the elevator ones.

[Nick Thune]

Yep. And there's the. The ones that are like the second generation of the boutique y artsy hotels, but they're more faux. And like, it's one that's themed like a library, and this one's themed like a children's playground.

[David Cross]

And I know, exactly. They have those in like. Yeah. You walk in and you think, like, there's, like, it's all artsy in the.

[Nick Thune]

And there's like, chess, you know, 19 chessboards and whatever the fucking is. And. And, you know, each. When you get out of the elevator. This one, this floor is, you know, R and B themed, and this one is space themed.

[David Cross]

Curtis and Curtis.

[Nick Thune]

I fucking hate those hotels.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

And I have a little note, please, to the woman who books the. That stuff for the tour. Like, please, no Curtis hotels. That. That. I don't. I just don't. They're too cute. They're there and they even. I. I remember the last time I stayed at one in Denver. And they like, that's the one. They say something. But there are other Curtis hotels.

[David Cross]

Yes, but that's the one I. I know the best.

[Nick Thune]

I mean, that's the one where I was like, I'm not going here anymore. And. And they say something. There's like a.

[David Cross]

In the elevator.

[Nick Thune]

They say things that are like. They have. Oh, like greetings or whatever the it is. That's just like, stop. I just.

[David Cross]

I just remember, like, getting. The elevator goes welcome over and over again. I have something unique. I have something unique at this hotel where you put your key on the thing and the door just. Oh, you just push it open. There's no knob. I'd never had that before.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, I haven't experienced that.

[David Cross]

Is that the. No, no. This. This is here in New York.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, okay.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but it's. It's. Yeah, you do that and it just clicks and you just push it because you know that, like, dance of, like, doing that then trying to get the thing and sometimes you miss it. I mean.

[Nick Thune]

Yep.

[David Cross]

Pros like us even miss it every now and again.

[Nick Thune]

Every once In a while. It doesn't matter how long you've been on the road. No, it still happens. Yeah. The. You know what chain I do like that is cutesy is the Graduate chain.

[David Cross]

That's the one that I did in Nebraska. I stayed at one there. Yeah. And that. That is. You get in your room and you're like, oh, this is kind of cool.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. It's not. It's not over the top.

[David Cross]

I think there's one in Nashville, too, that I stayed at that was like. My room was like Dolly Parton themed room. But have you ever stayed at the Madonna Inn up in.

[Nick Thune]

I haven't, but I know of it. And there's a place in. Somewhere in the middle of nowhere, upstate New York that is. That is. And they say. Say as much. They were inspired by the Madonna and so it's their version.

[David Cross]

I'd like to know about it.

[Nick Thune]

I stayed in the Bewitched room, the Samantha from Bewitched room.

[David Cross]

And she's in there.

[Nick Thune]

She's in there.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

The actress Elizabeth Montgomery. Yeah, yeah. Is in there. It's pretty cool.

[David Cross]

She must be really.

[Nick Thune]

She's older now.

[David Cross]

Yeah, but.

[Nick Thune]

And you know, the first thing out of your mouth is like, oh, my God, I'm such a big fan. You know, I really. When I was a kid. And then you. And you insult her because, like, when I was a kid and she's like, how old are you? How old are you? And I'm like 60. And she still has her age. Yeah.

[David Cross]

So it's weird that. Yeah. You throw that in her face.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Yeah. But outside of that, it was interesting. I didn't care for it. But yeah, I like.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I stayed. I've stayed at a few rooms up at the Madonna Inn. There's like the Rock Room where it's like the walls are. It's. Yeah. But in the end, I do like hotels. I like the process. I kind of enjoy aspects of that. Like, I've gotten over kind of all the annoyances.

[Nick Thune]

I really don't care for it. When I go to la, if I'm in any place for more than a day, two days, then I'll get an Airbnb, which is always a crapshoot.

[David Cross]

It really is.

[Nick Thune]

But when I go to LA to do this podcast or if I'm working or something, I just get an Airbnb within a mile of the studio and just walk and settle in. Because being in a hotel, the same hotel room for more than three days, is. I just don't like it.

[David Cross]

It bumps me out I mean, do you unpack?

[Nick Thune]

It sucks your energy. No, I do.

[David Cross]

I don't back. If I'm coming for a night, I get in the room immediately. Hangers. Clothes on, hangers in the closet. I love it.

[Nick Thune]

Well, that way you're not pissing on them. Good luck reaching this shirt.

[David Cross]

That's true. For old times sake.

[Nick Thune]

Do you ever bring your luggage with you and go. Would you. This is gonna sound weird, but would you piss on this?

[David Cross]

I just. It's a thing. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Trying to recall some memories I have.

[David Cross]

I have a dark hotel memory that I know I was drunk, but I know it happened. And I can't really remember what city, but one night in the middle of the night, I woke up and there's a security guard standing at the edge of my bed.

[Nick Thune]

Whoa.

[David Cross]

And I was like, what the fuck? And he's like, sorry, your door wasn't closed all the way. We were just checking on you. And he, like, left. And I was just sitting there like, what?

[Nick Thune]

Well, why did he just leave and close the door? Why was he sitting at the foot of your bed like the angel Moroni? I know that's how Mormonism started.

[David Cross]

Is it wasn't.

[Nick Thune]

Maybe you are prophet. You're the next Joseph Smith.

[David Cross]

Oh. And he was in there praising me.

[Nick Thune]

Well, Moroni came. He had to come. It's great. If you read even just the cursory little bit of the history of Joseph Smith and Mormonism and what they put out there, not even the real stuff, but even what they put out there. It's just so bizarre and funny. It's like truly funny. Like, Moroni came and he was an angel and he kind of visited. And Jacqueline Novak and I were talking about how they always hover at the foot of the bed. That's their place.

[David Cross]

Oh.

[Nick Thune]

You know, just like. Was she more three inches? No, but just three inches above the floor, you know, because it's cold. It's too cold for them. And they're.

[David Cross]

They're sockless and they got to add something kind of supernatural about it.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Right.

[Nick Thune]

Not just the fact that they're an apparition.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

You know, but they. With the larynx and, you know, vocal cords and all that kind of stuff. The underwear and. Well, that's just more regular Mormonism. The underwear was a gift from God. It was supposed to be in a stocking, like, stocking stuffer type thing, but it got misplaced and they thought it was like a real legit present.

[David Cross]

Seriously?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, yeah. It was buried. The underwear was buried with the gold Plates in Elmira, New York, under a tree. And then, you know. But Morona had to come, like, three times to Joseph. I mean, this is all in air quotes, of course. Yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, it took three times for him to figure it out.

[David Cross]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, the underwear. I just saw some, like, byu, like, Instagram video of, like, somebody walking around, like, would you ever, not for one whole day, not wear your underwear? And to, like, just to, like, all the girls, and they're like, no, like, it was just like, are you kidding me? No, I actually like it.

[Nick Thune]

I don't blame them. I mean, in their world, it's sacred.

[David Cross]

But how could you like it? How could it? I mean. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Well, because you're told to like it and you're brought up knowing. I mean, if you really, like, went on vacation with one of these girls, got to know her really well. You guys were hanging out at the end of the pier. It's midnight, maybe. Just beautiful starry sky and the full moon. So the moon is lighting the clouds in these various shades of gray and.

[David Cross]

Reflecting off the water, probably.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And the stars are twinkling. It's just a beautiful night. It's. It's like 75 degrees and there's night blooming. Jasmine, Eucalyptus is, you know, all flowing. You know, you can smell it and it. And it's just mixed with a little bit of the brine of the sea. And you know, again, you're hanging off. Their legs are hanging off the dock and you're drinking, drink. And maybe they've milk. No, I'm. I'm not Mormon, so. Yeah.

[David Cross]

In that situation.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I've got a hazy ipa, some sort of. Yeah. And. And maybe they've got a T, you know, and then, you know, she kind of lets her guard down and says, yeah, I'm not that crazy about wearing the underwear.

[David Cross]

That's when you get it.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

You're not going to get that on a TikTok.

[Nick Thune]

You're not going to get that on a guy in the street. Hey, we're asking a bunch of, you know.

[David Cross]

Yeah. Around campus, even.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah. That's a nice little picture that I've got in my head now of you and that woman.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, she's awesome.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

And, you know, we're just friends.

[David Cross]

This is just a opening up to you, though. And I think, you know, that's probably how they start to get away from the.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, yeah. What was I gonna say? I like Salt Lake City, though.

[David Cross]

Yeah, it's a great city.

[Nick Thune]

It's a really cool.

[David Cross]

You get there and you just see the surrounding mountains and it's.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. First of all it's beautiful. It's very clean. But outside of the kind of obvious dumb Mormon things like the small beers and that kind of weird shit, it's a really nice city.

[David Cross]

I like it. 0.2 alcohol percent beer. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

But also there are more and more places now that are just kind of regular for non Mormons can go to and enjoy regular life.

[David Cross]

Have you been to Provo out there?

[Nick Thune]

I haven't, no.

[David Cross]

I mean I lived out there for like a month once and it was just.

[Nick Thune]

I love it. Are you sure you weren't just in an alcohol induced kind of day? Could have been a day, felt like a month.

[David Cross]

The people are so nice. I mean that's the thing is they have to be. You know, you kind of can use that against them in a way. They're ministering to you.

[Nick Thune]

Well. And you know, I would like to kind of explore making Utah our 51st state.

[David Cross]

Yeah, that'd be great. To kind of take it out and put it on the top.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Give it to Canada, you know, as incentive to be our 51st state. Boy, they.

[David Cross]

Did you see that fight, that hockey fight?

[Nick Thune]

No.

[David Cross]

The US versus Canada.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, was it part of the four nations thing?

[David Cross]

Yeah, it was there. It was just within nine seconds of the game. There were three fights happening because they booed the national anthem.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, well, that's understandable. Yeah, no, I was just there. I'm going there tomorrow. I go to Winnipeg tomorrow.

[David Cross]

I love. It's going to be freezing there.

[Nick Thune]

Fucking 16 degrees right now.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

God damn it. I just can't. I had four days in Atlanta that was like, oh, this is nice.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I can do this.

[Nick Thune]

And then, yeah, 16 degrees, I'm going. And it just gets, you know, worse until I get to Vancouver. I mean, not worse, but colder.

[David Cross]

You're doing stand up through the.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I go Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary or Calgary. Edmonton. I can't remember. And then Vancouver and I come home for two and a half days and then go to fucking Europe for a month. Not fucking Europe. I'm looking forward to it. I just haven't been home much, that's all. Yeah, I'll be in Oslo. It's my first show.

[David Cross]

That's a great place to start.

[Nick Thune]

Is it?

[David Cross]

It is, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Okay.

[David Cross]

It's nice because they speak English so.

[Nick Thune]

Well and I mean all the places I'm going have enough for me to sell tickets, you know.

[David Cross]

But they just love America. They're just so kind of well, let's.

[Nick Thune]

Give that a minute.

[David Cross]

Let's give that a. American art. Like, they love television and movies, so they speak it. So, you know, they learn so young.

[Nick Thune]

Right? Yeah. I mean, well, it's. What I was gonna say was the feeling in Canada of this. This kind of feeling of betrayal, in a sense. And they still want. It's like being broken up with, where you want to be friends, but your head is telling you, wait, I can't be friends with you and you're terrible. Not you or me or. They understand. There are people who don't condone this at all, but the idea of your guy just shit all over Canada multiple, almost daily, in real specific ways for no reason. I mean, there's not a real reason for a lot of the stuff outside of kind of petty, vindictive or this, you know, trying to. Enjoying the. Being the, you know, bully in the schoolyard kind of guy. Give me your lunch money. But, yeah, I. I mean, they're. They're bummed, you know, and there. There was a. Wherever I was, something like Toronto or something, but there was a thing where they had done this poll with 1200 Canadians, and 10% of the people who responded to the poll liked the idea of being folded into the United States and becoming part of the United States. And what. I wouldn't mention that because it was in the news and stuff. People would go fucking nuts, like, booing and yelling. Understandably. And I was in Ottawa and Montreal and London, Ontario, and each place, you.

[David Cross]

Know, I bet it's Montreal. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

You know, that. Both. That's, you know. Yeah, it's. I. I feel like apologizing to people.

[David Cross]

You know, it's weird going through customs because it's. It's like you have to. You look at them and you're like, yeah, hey, I know what's. What my. Our guy did. So. Sorry. Can I come in?

[Nick Thune]

Also, it's so telling about both countries and culturally that Canada has a reputation, deservedly so, for being polite and being nice and being concerned with people and just being polite. Yeah, like the way you. Pleasant. The way you would want people to respond in various situations. And Americans make fun of that. Like, get big laughs for making fun of. Not just pointing it out, but making fun of them for being nice, pleasant people and polite. Like, it's crazy.

[David Cross]

It's. Well, it's also kind of. It's, like, funny because it's. In a lot of ways, it's making fun of us for being just really not nice, not pleasant. We're like, saying, yeah, this is what. It's better if you're just kind of standoffish and angry.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, well, I don't think people are owning themselves knowingly. I think they're just. I mean, that is the result. Yes. It's like you look like an asshole now and all the people that are laughing at you for making fun of people, for being nice. But that is kind of where we find ourselves socially and civically and have been for 10 years now, where the whole thing of I'm drinking a cup of liberal tears, you know, like, I'm gonna give you shit and my buddies are gonna high five me for caring about that person.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

I mean, that's so. That has, you know, culturally taken over and, and you get bonus points for making fun of people who care about other people, whatever that group of people may be.

[David Cross]

It's great though, because going there, going to Winnipeg and London and those places, they get really excited that people come because.

[Nick Thune]

Well, they should. If you've been to Winnipeg, in Edmonton, they should be thrilled. Yeah, like there's, there's some places I go. Like if you go to, I don't know, Spokane and you're like, you're welcome.

[David Cross]

You know, was not easy. It wasn't.

[Nick Thune]

And I'm in one of those shit hotels and I had to take a commuter flight at, you know, 8:00am, make a connection and here I am. Yeah, I mean, I, I've only been to Winnipeg and Edmonton once, I believe, or maybe twice. But yeah, you know, I remember the.

[David Cross]

Festival there in Winnipeg.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, they have a comedy festival.

[David Cross]

It's like a arts festival and it's like, it's great because the city pays for it. It's. It's like part of their.

[Nick Thune]

It's very Canadian budget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, in college you pay these funds and part of that goes to your student activities fund and.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

And then they bring in, you know, Jimmy JJ Walker, dynamite, I was going to say about Winnipeg. Oh, you know who lives in Winnipeg? No, you don't. So I'll tell you, Guy Madden, one of my favorite filmmakers whose film made films about Winnipeg in odes to Winnipeg. Just still, still there.

[David Cross]

Is he going to go to your show, do you think?

[Nick Thune]

I don't know. He went out. He went to my last one. Then we hung out at this bar afterwards. Super cool guy. Very. Just not anybody. Not like kind of a Lynchian looking guy, you know, where he like. Oh, he's clearly a filmmaker. Yeah, super cool guy. And I love his movies.

[David Cross]

How do you deal with meeting somebody that you admire, like.

[Nick Thune]

Well, I fart. I think we've established that.

[David Cross]

You know who was. There was Ben Gibbard.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, yeah.

[David Cross]

The Ben Gifford was on the ceiling when you on the roof ceiling. He was laughing. Laughing on the scene.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I. Oh, you know what? Ben, one of Ben's bandmates, did the sound for the tour what became Shut up, you baby. So I think. Oh. And we were both on Sub Pop, so I think that's how I knew Ben and that whole group of folks. And was Swartz in there?

[David Cross]

I don't think he. I don't know. Maybe. I think Aziz was. I think it was like a year. You were wearing a dress at some point, I think, at a bar.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, my God. I know exactly what that is. Yeah, that was. I swapped clothes with, I think, Mary Lynn Rice Cub.

[David Cross]

I thought it was your girlfriend.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, my girlfriend. Okay. So Sarah girlfriend at the time. Yeah, so that would have been. Yeah, that would have been like, there's.

[David Cross]

Like, some bar in Capitol Hill.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And you just came out of the bathroom in the dark.

[Nick Thune]

And I wore Sarah's dress.

[David Cross]

And it was. I have a picture somewhere. Deep, deep, deep. Of you dancing in that dress somewhere.

[Nick Thune]

Well, I remember. There's two things I remember from that night. And, you know, it was a big drinking, fun, crazy night. But there was a. At that bar, there was a guy who introduced himself. If you do this with Schwartz and Swartz, and knows it's like a little inside joke. But he goes, we're talking and. And he goes, I'm gonna have to explain what I'm doing for if you're listening. But he goes, oh, yeah, man. Sick dude. While I'm a dj. Whoop, whoops. And he did the. Did the, you know, scratching a record movement and went, whoop, whoop. And it was one of the dumbest, weirdest things. Yo, yo, man. Oh, yeah, man. Nice to meet. Yeah, I'm a DJ that became a running joke with Swartz and I. But. And then another crazy thing. So I'm. I'm sitting at a table and. And this guy, complete stranger, comes up to me and goes, hey, you ever seen a lion throwing up blood? I'm like, what? Looking over my shoulder. What? You ever see a lion throwing up blood? No. You will. And then he leaves. Then he comes back, like, 10 minutes later, and it's an artist named Kevin Willis. And we have mutual friend. I think he's friends with Maynard James Keenan Toole. And he brings me a T shirt, which I still have I can't fit into it anymore. But it's like a painting of a lion throwing up blood.

[David Cross]

What a night.

[Nick Thune]

Well, there's that story.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. So you got. I wore a dress and you farted on the.

[David Cross]

Yeah, farted on the roof of the place.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, the ceiling. You know, it's somebody's ceiling. It's a roof.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

But also the floor. Inside out.

[David Cross]

Part of a ceiling.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what that movie was about. Inside out 2. Not the first one.

[David Cross]

I don't think I've seen the inside out.

[Nick Thune]

I have not seen them either, but I heard they're good. And again, big Pixar fan, so I'll go see it.

[David Cross]

I met an athlete recently, and I just totally froze and feel like meeting an athlete's kind of. I love baseball.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, yeah, that's different. Yes. Yeah, I. Who was it?

[David Cross]

Clayton Kershaw.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, wow. What was that like?

[David Cross]

Ridiculous. Yeah, and it. And I got a picture with them. He saw me perform. It was pretty cool. I mean, I actually have season tickets to the Dodgers, so I'm pretty obsessed with baseball in general. But he came back, you know, and, like, he was kind of in the news at the time because it was pretty recently. His contract hadn't been renewed.

[Nick Thune]

Well, yeah, he's a lock for the side. I mean, for the hall of Fame side. Young winner.

[David Cross]

Well, his contract hadn't been done yet, and so he gave us some inside info. He was like, yeah, about to tie up the contract, and, you know, I'm coming back from surgery, so it should be a month or two, but I'll be good.

[Nick Thune]

God, that's great. Yeah, I. Fucking. I. That is the thing that will make me, like, get nervous and stuff. I. A birthday present from last year was my sister, who's, like, the mayor of Atlanta. Like, she knows her and her wife know everybody, right? And everybody knows her. And she knows this guy who was. Is, like, best friends with Chipper Jones, who's one of my baseball heroes. And he was like, his roommate in college, and they're still good friends. And he's like, oh, yeah, tell your brother to come to this thing, and I'll get you set up. And da, da, da. And so my wife and my sister and my mom go to the new park for Braves game. And so I got to meet Chipper, but not just meet him. We hung out for over an hour, and he was telling me these great stories, and. And it's. It's awesome. He's. He's great. And. And. And he's Telling me these. These stories about. I was like, what about the home run off of Pedro? You know? And he's telling me these stories about how pitchers sometimes tip their pitches without them, without being aware of it. And. And I asked him, like, you know, who are the hardest guys you didn't want to meet? And just in over an hour.

[David Cross]

Did you say Randy Johnson?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, that was one of them. Randy Johnson. Clemens.

[David Cross]

Maddox, probably.

[Nick Thune]

Well, he didn't have to face Maddox.

[David Cross]

Oh, that. Oh, he was that.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, he was. He said Randy Johnson. I think it was Pedro. Randy Johnson and Clemens were the ones that gave him the most difficult.

[David Cross]

I just saw some video pop up in my feed recently that was like, here's Randy Johnson tipping his pitches. I'm like. I'm like, yeah, 90s tipping his pitches. But I saw Randy Johnson when the fires hit la. He was right in the middle of the whole thing. He was.

[Nick Thune]

He started him.

[David Cross]

Right?

[Nick Thune]

That's the rumor.

[David Cross]

He did start the fires.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

He. But I was down in Newport beach for a day or two trying to get away from the smoke, and he just rode it was riding a bike up. And I go, randy?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And I just kind of. He looked at me as if he wasn't Randy, you know, But I know Randy Johnson when I see Randy Johnson.

[Nick Thune]

Sure. The Big Unit. Oh, I think one of the worst nicknames in sports ever. For any sport. Any sport. The Big Unit is literally the worst.

[David Cross]

When I was a kid, I have a kid from Seattle, though. It seemed cool. Yeah. But it's weird to have a guy named the Big Unit and then a guy named the kid on the same team, right?

[Nick Thune]

Well, yeah, but the kid was a kid. The Big unit.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Is like a euphemism for a dick.

[David Cross]

Yeah. So inappropriate.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Not he has a big unit, but he's a big unit.

[David Cross]

I bet he used that, though. I bet he said, well, it's technically about my penis. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

And I like the kind of like, you know, just to be truth be told.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

I have a. You know, it's about my large penis. It's not funny.

[David Cross]

Don't quote me on it.

[Nick Thune]

But yeah, a bit of an eye roll, G shucks kind of thing. There was a guy, he was, what is he, like 7:1 or something like that?

[David Cross]

So huge. He's huge and just mean looking.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Oh, he looks like the most redneck guy. Kick your ass.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

For me, like growing up in Georgia, he looks like one of those dudes who hang out smoking Columbia gold, you know, and it would just be the rumor Would be like, hey man, you know Randy. You know Randy went to jail. Yeah. Don't mess with him, man. He. Because he went to jail and he knows a bunch of people in jail. If he makes one phone call, they'll fucking kick your ass, man.

[David Cross]

They'll break out of jail and come find you.

[Nick Thune]

Break out of jail, come find you. You know he. The worst thing the world is being. He hates 14 year olds riding your Huffy bike.

[David Cross]

I mean the name Randy in its own. What a great. The guy was set up for success from the beginning. That that video of him killing the bird.

[Nick Thune]

Oh yeah.

[David Cross]

It's just so funny. It's crazy. How does that not. People aren't killing birds anymore.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, the bird had it coming.

[David Cross]

You know that might have been a bird suicide.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, he went in the.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

I gotta say that's a good eye on that bird to be able to track that.

[David Cross]

Well, you know they call it eagle eye.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, right.

[David Cross]

That was an eagle.

[Nick Thune]

I don't know if it was an eagle.

[David Cross]

Could have been a baby eagle. It's pretty small.

[Nick Thune]

Okay. But painted to look like a seagull.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

The. He was mostly he didn't have his arsenal. Was. Was. It was fastball. And then what he had like a split finger. Yeah. He only had like two pitches, right?

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah. He had a change up. I love watching pitchers now like with the way the strike zones are and how they can really show you a pitcher throwing two different pitches that look like the same pitch from the beginning.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, I love that.

[David Cross]

And then it goes, you know, like.

[Nick Thune]

The pitch comes out of the hand and at the first third it's the same this pitch that they just got that was up.

[David Cross]

Up high and then all of a sudden it just boom.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, some of the slurve. The new. That's a new. It's like a slider and a curve like these. I don't know how they're doing it. It's crazy. And I don't know how you fucking hit that. How do you hit that? And I'm not talking about like home run power thing. How do you like Arias? How does he make contact and not dribble a ball down or pop it up? But he like how do you the hitting to be able to spray hit and those kind of balls where you like. Like you said, it just came out this way and was a straight fastball.

[David Cross]

And then the next 30 miles an hour slower. And it's going to cut.

[Nick Thune]

And it's going to cut. Yeah, right. You know, just drop down the Last five feet.

[David Cross]

It's so fun. I mean, that's why I love it. My seats at Dodger Stadium are right behind home plate, but they're, like, up kind of high, but you can really see the pitches.

[Nick Thune]

I love seeing games at Dodger Stadium.

[David Cross]

That's.

[Nick Thune]

I'd say, you know, Fenway and Wrigley are, like, top tier, and then next level is Dodger Stadium, and there's a handful of great parts, but I love going to a game at Dodger Stadium.

[David Cross]

Pretty sure I went to Wrigley Field with you and Bob.

[Nick Thune]

Really?

[David Cross]

Oh, when we did, and George Lopez, like, threw the first pitch or something, and we got to go on the field.

[Nick Thune]

Wait, I don't remember this. Wait.

[David Cross]

When we were doing, like. We were doing a place called the. I was opening for you guys at.

[Nick Thune]

This is vaguely familiar. We were doing a.

[David Cross]

I think it. Honestly, it might have been me and Mulaney opening for you guys. Like, it was at a theater that doesn't exist anymore.

[Nick Thune]

And we did, like, a Mr. Show thing.

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

What was that? That was. Was there a sketch about, like, a. Were they lgbtq and there were, like, way too many letters and they had to make the sign. Yeah, Yeah, I vaguely remember that. Was that with the big heads?

[David Cross]

Yes.

[Nick Thune]

Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do remember that. Okay. So we went to Wrigley Field.

[David Cross]

Yeah. It was so fun. It was like the perfect day. I mean, I.

[Nick Thune]

It's such a great party.

[David Cross]

What a memory. I was, like, such a young comedian. Just like, what am I doing here? Oh, that's great, David.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, I sang the Take Me out to the Ball Game. I have it on DVD they gave me, and I didn't watch it for a couple years because it was so. It ended up not being as bad as I thought it was gonna be, but I started way high.

[David Cross]

That's a happy birthday problem you'll have.

[Nick Thune]

And the guy was interviewing me. I was so fucking nervous. I rarely got it. No. He looked at me and he's like, I start singing, and I know this guy, and his eyebrows raise, and he's got that guy like, are you really going to do that? Because he knew what was coming a second or two before I did. When you hit that high part, and apparently it's happening before, but. And I remember seeing on Twitter, it was like, David Cross screeches out the heat. Take me out of the ball game. And I never corrected it. And I just started and I tried to make it, but it was like I was lost immediately. And I. And I was so fucking nervous. And I mean, obviously it turned out okay. It's just a guy singing, you know, take me out the ball game. But then when I went back to my seat, everybody in the stands were kind of like, giving me, you know, play nice shit, but giving me shit.

[David Cross]

What field?

[Nick Thune]

Wrigley.

[David Cross]

That was at Wrigley?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. But what an honor. What a cool team. No, brave.

[David Cross]

You walk in with a guardians hat on.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, that's because I was doing a show in Cleveland and they was to throw out the first pitch, and they gave me. Well, it got rained out, but they brought me on the field anyway, and they gave me a tour and all that stuff. They gave me a shirt with my name on it.

[David Cross]

You know, I threw out the first pitch for the Mariners.

[Nick Thune]

That must've been nice.

[David Cross]

Full uniform.

[Nick Thune]

Really?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Did you ask for that or is that a standard?

[David Cross]

Well, they said. They said, we'll give you. We can give you a jersey.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And I jokingly tweeted the day before, like, hey, sorry to announce that I'm actually not gonna be throwing the first pitch because they're not giving me a full uniform. Joking, thinking that nobody from the Mariners would see that.

[Nick Thune]

Right.

[David Cross]

And then they just responded, all right, fine.

[Nick Thune]

And so he had a full uniform.

[David Cross]

Full uniform with running shoes on. And I had a chew in my back pocket, and they brought out the backup catcher, and I threw. I threw a slider. I threw what I thought was a good. Like a good swinging strike for. For.

[Nick Thune]

Was it a good pitch?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Did you practice at all?

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah, yeah, With Brody.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, nice.

[David Cross]

Yeah, Brody and I went to the park.

[Nick Thune]

Of course Brody played.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Single. Single. Single.

[David Cross]

Single A. I used to. Yeah, we. I mean, it was like playing catch with, you know, just him and I in a park. He's talking about pitching, but. Yeah. And then I ran up to hug the catcher, like, as if it was we won or something, and. And I caught his chin on my shoulder. And you can watch the video, and it's like he does this thing, and he just got brought up from the minor. Like, it was like, they're like, hey, yeah, new guy. You got to go catch the first bitch in this idiot.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And now he's going to put you at, like, in physical problems. His neck was all screwed up.

[Nick Thune]

Who was the. Who was the backup catcher?

[David Cross]

I don't remember.

[Nick Thune]

That's rude.

[David Cross]

I know.

[Nick Thune]

You shared this moment.

[David Cross]

I have it on video. I made a. It's on a. There's a 30 for 30 about it.

[Nick Thune]

That would be Great. The Nick Thune problem. Yeah. Trust me, he remembers your name.

[David Cross]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he. I mean, there's no way he's playing anymore. Baseball is such a hard spit, being a catcher.

[Nick Thune]

Well, how old was he? When was this?

[David Cross]

This was eight years ago. He might be playing maybe, but I.

[Nick Thune]

Mean, the catcher can. You know, they're guys in their 40s.

[David Cross]

Their knees, though, it's like.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, but they have that special pad thing now that they didn't have back.

[David Cross]

Then that they put behind their knee.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, those like triangle pad things.

[David Cross]

Oh, they do.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

I didn't even know that.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Well, how old is Perez? He's like 40 plus, right?

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Well.

[David Cross]

And what's his name just went forever.

[Nick Thune]

The molina.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Went 41 for. Yeah.

[David Cross]

So, you know, he was good. He was still throwing people out that it's. To see a catcher that can really catch a steal, like somebody stealing.

[Nick Thune]

And he was one of those catchers that you can look at, watch him play and realize how smart he is.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Like, that guy is brilliant.

[David Cross]

They're orchestrating so much and it's.

[Nick Thune]

It like you could see it with Yadi or Molina. Like, you could just watch him control the game, manage, you know, like, not manage it, but, you know, the field and all that stuff. Like just. Yeah, he's. He's one of the greats.

[David Cross]

Will Smith is fun. He's a fun catcher to have.

[Nick Thune]

I disagree.

[David Cross]

You don't like him.

[Nick Thune]

I love him. And maybe that's part of the problem is I have a love for him. Physical.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

And I can't get past that.

[David Cross]

What if he was on the Braves? Would you be?

[Nick Thune]

Fuck yeah, dude. Are you kidding? I like Marcel Azuna. Domestic violence guy.

[David Cross]

That's how you had to. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, man. Got a great dh.

[David Cross]

Had a couple of problems with that on the Dodgers. We had. What's the pitcher that we. We.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, Jesus. Trevor Bauer. Bauer. What a douche.

[David Cross]

Not even him, though. The other pitcher, Urias.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, yeah.

[David Cross]

Who at the Beverly center lost it.

[Nick Thune]

And dude, was he at a Sephora?

[David Cross]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Thune]

They took his mural off like, the next day.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Like, he had that big fucking mural with his sunglasses and all that.

[David Cross]

It's crazy that, like a guy like. I mean, Trevor Bauer is still a great pitcher. And you see. I don't know if he ever watches YouTube. It's like. And he basically got.

[Nick Thune]

He's in Japan now, right? Or some. Yeah.

[David Cross]

When he got exonerated in some way where like even the person that said something. But people don't like him.

[Nick Thune]

Guys, there were a couple women.

[David Cross]

Oh, there. I know there's a couple. I just know that one of them turned out to be whatever. But I. That. That he was disliked that much by Major League Baseball, that none of the teams were like, yeah, we're still not gonna bring this guy on.

[Nick Thune]

I mean, well, he's very, you know, button pushing.

[David Cross]

Oh, yeah. The sword and the, you know, just the dumbest stuff.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, but he's like, trying to push your buttons, you know, and maybe that's part of a. One aspect of a pitcher's mentality, you know?

[David Cross]

Did you go to the World Series?

[Nick Thune]

Yep. I have been lucky enough. I've seen a lot of losses because I'm Braves, Red Sox. But I also got to see the Braves win in 95 at the last game at the Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. I took my sister, and that was really exciting. And then for a really cool surprise present, my wife took me to the Red Sox game where they won the World Series for the first time in Fenway.

[David Cross]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. I remember Shane Victorino hitting a triple and going to take a piss, and everyone in there was kind of like, usually people don't get too optimistic too early, but having that feeling as I'm taking a piss next to this guy in the old school troughs. And we were all like, it's going to happen, man. It's going to happen. When he hit that triple, it was like, I think they got this.

[David Cross]

What a feeling, too. To be. I was at.

[Nick Thune]

That whole night was fun.

[David Cross]

I mean, I was at Game 7 when the Astros beat the Dodgers the year they cheated.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Cross]

That was so brutal. But I was going to go to Game 6 with the Dodgers that the Yankees didn't, you know, mess up. But the.

[Nick Thune]

Oh, man, that fifth inning was. We were. We. I was sitting at a bar in, like, one of my neighborhood bars with Yankees fans. And I love to give Yankees fans shit. And it's a. It's a friendly bar, you know, it's all cool. But that fifth inning was like, what the fuck is happening? This is like Little League shit.

[David Cross]

It is. It's insane because Judge. But you. You know, when you see when he's about to catch it, he sees Kike Hernandez pushing like he's running. So he thinks, oh, I can pick him off if I catch this. And it's the quickest moment. And everyone's like, oh, he made a mistake. It's like, well, he was. No, the guy did great base running, which caused that mistake.

[Nick Thune]

Yes.

[David Cross]

But.

[Nick Thune]

But also, Garrett Cole, like, hanging out.

[David Cross]

Oh, going. Not going to first.

[Nick Thune]

Not going to first.

[David Cross]

I'd already said, like, all right.

[Nick Thune]

Are you doing.

[David Cross]

It was unreal.

[Nick Thune]

That fifth inning was one of the greatest fifth innings I've ever watched.

[David Cross]

My Yankees was getting fixed during the fifth inning. They showed up as the inning was starting, like, knocking on the door. I'm like, God damn it. Hi. You're like, where's the water? It's in the back. They come back, we can't find it. I'm like, all right. And I go back, it's the fifth innings happening. It was so great.

[Nick Thune]

Well, that's the problem with living on the West Coast. You know, east coast, everyone's in bed.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

You get to go.

[David Cross]

No. But nobody's fixing water heaters.

[Nick Thune]

No, he's fixing water heaters. And shame on them. That was. The Dodgers.

[David Cross]

Needed that water heater fix, so that was kind of nice.

[Nick Thune]

Where. What part of LA do you live in?

[David Cross]

Silver Lake.

[Nick Thune]

Nice. I lived there. I was in LA for nine years, and I. All my time was either Los Feliz or Silver Lake.

[David Cross]

Yeah. I've been in Echo park in Silver Lake, and I did a little Glendale stint. Nice. In Glendale.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

Yeah. You know, it's not la.

[Nick Thune]

That's how they get you.

[David Cross]

It's how they get you. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Nick Thune, do you have anything you'd like to promote while you're on the show?

[David Cross]

Yeah, I have a special on YouTube, which is the Netflix of DIY. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Right.

[David Cross]

And it's. It's. It's free, which is, you know, the best part.

[Nick Thune]

About to be.

[David Cross]

To be. Yeah. You can do that, too. Yeah. It's called Born Young.

[Nick Thune]

Born Young. Nick Thune.

[David Cross]

Born Young.

[Nick Thune]

And it's Nick with a ck.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Right. Not N, I, Q, U, E. And Thune.

[David Cross]

With.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. And soon with a.

[David Cross]

With a P. With a P. Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

P, T, H, U, N, P, T. Anderson. Yep. Born Young Nick Thune on YouTube. Now, Nick, I end every podcast with a question from my daughter. Okay, so this is a question from Marlo. And we were cooking something, and she noticed the flames on the stove, and she wants to know what is the difference between a red flame and a blue flame? You can answer it any way you see fit.

[David Cross]

And what's her name?

[Nick Thune]

Marlo Marlowe.

[David Cross]

Well, Marlo, I would say the difference between a red and a blue flame is if you've seen the Matrix. Has she seen the Matrix? No. We'll show her the Matrix.

[Nick Thune]

Okay. The whole trilogy. Or.

[David Cross]

I think you just need to see the first one, actually. Yeah. And if you're blue flamed, then you just kind of, like, live in this oblivious world of heaven. And if you're red flamed, it is being. You're aware and you're sad. So.

[Nick Thune]

So it's a kind of a moral question, like.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

I don't know. Is it. Moral question or just a. Like, what kind of. Do you want to know the truth?

[David Cross]

Yeah. Do you want to know or would you rather be happy?

[Nick Thune]

Yeah.

[David Cross]

And I bet she seems like somebody that wants to maybe know.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. But I would not. I'm going to keep her happy.

[David Cross]

Yeah.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah. All right, so take her out of public school and send her to a private Christian elementary school. Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. Thank you, Nick Thune.

[David Cross]

Thank you.

[Nick Thune]

Thanks for dropping in.

[David Cross]

Thank you. Wow, look at these cameras, by the way. I didn't even notice.

[Nick Thune]

Yeah, this is a live stream to the Philippines. That is. It looks like it's shooting you, but it's actually a TV on the other side, and it's showing a live feed of Bourbon street in New Orleans. And this one is. It goes to a monkey house at the Bronx Zoo.

[David Cross]

Oh, that's nice. Yeah. There's eagles you can watch.

[Nick Thune]

I know. Yeah. The hell freezes over. Tour Sense is working. Overtime is a Headgum podcast created and hosted by me, David Cross. The show is edited by Katie Skelton and engineered by Nicole Lyons with supervising producer Emma Foley. Thanks to Demi Druchin for our show Art and Mark Rivers for our theme song. For more podcasts by headgum, visit headgum.com or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and maybe we'll read it on a future episode. I'm not gonna do that. Thanks for listening.

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