Don't Bring Guns to Thanksgiving Dinner

Summary

Shannon Cason's Homemade: "Don't Bring Guns to Thanksgiving Dinner"

Episode Overview In the January 24, 2024 episode of Shannon Cason's Homemade titled "Don't Bring Guns to Thanksgiving Dinner," host Shannon Cason delves into a deeply personal and intense family story that underscores themes of responsibility, communication, and the complexities of familial relationships. Drawing from his own experiences, Shannon navigates the tumultuous dynamics that can surface during holiday gatherings, especially in the context of recent life changes such as divorce and relocation.

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Introduction

The episode opens with Shannon Cason recounting a dramatic incident that occurred during a Thanksgiving gathering at his home in Detroit. This personal narrative sets the stage for a candid discussion about the challenges of maintaining family harmony amidst chaos and conflict.

Notable Quote:

"I walked through the door like I done seen in the detective TV shows and movies, loaded gun drawn, ready. I don't know what I'm doing."
— Shannon Cason [00:00]

Background and Context

Shannon provides listeners with context about his life, including his recent divorce and move from Detroit to Chicago. Despite the distance, he remains closely connected to his daughter Zoe and his former wife, Cindy, highlighting the enduring bonds and complexities that persist even after separation.

Key Points:

• Divorce and Relocation: Shannon's move to Chicago was motivated by a desire to create distance from his ex-wife, yet he continues to maintain a strong relationship with his daughter and former spouse.
• Family Dynamics: The presence of Cindy's son and his girlfriend, along with their four children, introduces a new layer of tension and chaos into Shannon's once peaceful home.

Notable Quote:

"My daughter Zoe is doing really well. Excellent student, confident personality. Everything is good. Home is safe and secure."
— Shannon Cason [02:52]

The Thanksgiving Incident

The heart of the episode revolves around the events that unfolded during the Thanksgiving gathering. Shannon narrates how the household transformed from tranquil to tumultuous due to the actions of Cindy's son and his family.

Detailed Narrative:

1. House Fire Incident: As Shannon was preparing to leave Detroit, Cindy's son inadvertently burned down the house with a lighter, forcing the family to move in with him. This event set the stage for the subsequent Thanksgiving chaos.

2. Overcrowded Home: Upon returning, Shannon finds his home overrun with children running wild, scribbling on walls, and peeing everywhere. This sudden influx disrupts his routine and peace.

3. Confrontation Over Garbage: Shannon attempts to address the overflowing garbage with Cindy's son, leading to a heated exchange. The conversation escalates as emotions flare, culminating in a physical altercation where both parties exchange a slap and a punch.

4. Escalation and Resolution: The confrontation reaches a peak when Shannon draws his legally owned handgun in response to the imminent threat, only to find Cindy's son surrendering and dropping his gun. The tension diffuses as both acknowledge the futility of their fight, leading to a tentative reconciliation.

Notable Quotes:

"His girlfriend, my ex-wife, the four kids, all under 10. Zoe, my teenage daughter, the cat, you know, and we arguing about the garbage."
— Shannon Cason [12:00]

"This is so stupid. Go ahead, tear up the house. I'm going to my room."
— Zoe, Shannon's Daughter [14:29]

"If I hadn't left to get some eggs, what would have happened?"
— Shannon Cason [22:54]

Key Discussions and Insights

Throughout the episode, Shannon and his co-host Glenn Washington engage in reflective conversations about the incident, exploring themes such as:

• Responsibility and Pride: Shannon grapples with his sense of duty to "fix" things, even when it may not be his place, highlighting the tension between personal responsibility and respecting others' boundaries.

• Communication Breakdown: The episode underscores how lack of effective communication can escalate minor issues into significant conflicts, especially when individuals are under stress or dealing with personal struggles.

• Violence and Resolution: The physical altercation serves as a critical point for discussing the potential consequences of bringing weapons into home environments and the importance of de-escalation.

Notable Quotes:

"I think both you... that's just really shows you how much people are on edge."
— Dana H. [22:42]

"I left with Cindy. I'm happy they gave him time."
— Shannon Cason [20:25]

Post-Incident Reflections

In the aftermath of the confrontation, Shannon reflects on what he might have done differently, expressing regret over not being more present and considering the impact of his actions on the broader family dynamic.

Key Points:

• Self-Reflection: Shannon contemplates the role of pride and the need to maintain boundaries, recognizing that attempting to "fix" the situation may have exacerbated the conflict.

• Efforts Towards Healing: Both Shannon and Glenn express a desire to mend relationships and move forward positively, indicating an ongoing journey towards reconciliation and understanding.

Notable Quote:

"If I could have done one thing differently, it would have been to just take out the garbage and leave it at that."
— Shannon Cason [21:05]

Conclusion

Shannon concludes the episode by emphasizing the importance of communication, understanding, and personal growth. He invites listeners to share their own family Thanksgiving stories, fostering a sense of community and shared experiences.

Notable Quote:

"I left with Cindy. I'm happy they gave him time. He thought about it with all the kids there and everybody else, and it wasn't that serious."
— Shannon Cason [23:22]

Final Thoughts

"Don't Bring Guns to Thanksgiving Dinner" serves as a poignant reminder of the fragile nature of family relationships and the potential volatility that can arise during gatherings. Through his storytelling, Shannon Cason offers listeners an authentic glimpse into his life, encouraging reflection and dialogue about handling conflict, maintaining peace, and building stronger family bonds.

Additional Resources:

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Produced by: Glenn Washington, Domingo Montoya, Pat Mesiti Miller, and special thanks to Joyce Lee and Dino Archie for their contributions.

Music: A Margin of Freedom
Other Credits: Supporters and friends mentioned throughout the episode.

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Transcript

[Shannon Cason]

And I'm walking through the door like I didn't seen in the. In the detective TV shows and movies. Loaded gun drawn, ready. I don't know what I'm doing.

[Glenn Washington]

Shannon Casein's Homemade is proud to be supported by the friends of Homemade. Thank you to everyone who listens, enjoys and supports the stories. I'ma call you out if you supported me since the previous episode. To my friends, Dana H. In Seattle, thanks for joining the Patreon. We go get to know each other a lot more over there. Cindy B. In Bloomington, Indiana, longtime friend of the show, long time friend. Hey, Cindy. Uh, she's in radio too, so thank you. Thank you for joining the Patreon. Today's list is short and to the point. In February, I'm gonna do a strong push for the Patreon. The Patreon is definitely gonna be the spot. If you enjoy my style of storytelling, Patreon gonna be the spot. I'm, I'm excited about this push. In February, it came to me in a dream. So. So join now. You don't have to wait till then. Join now and be a part of it all. Homemade is a friend funded podcast. Visit patreon.com backslash Shannon Casen or if you're more direct, you can go dollar sign Shannon Casein on Cash app. I like the direct route too. Trust me, friends are all the same. Friends, I appreciate you and I need you. So thank you. Enjoy the show. Storyteller to Storyteller is creative conversations with some of the best and brightest in storytelling. The conversations are every Sunday at 8pm Eastern on YouTube live. Make sure you subscrib, subscribe to Shannon case and on YouTube to find them. If you enjoy the moth, snap judgment, risk all the other storytelling shows. There's so many storytelling shows outside of podcasting too. But if you enjoy storytelling, Storyteller to Storyteller is where you get to know storytellers in depth. And you can learn to tell better stories too. The conversations are set up for you to learn as well. The conversations for January are Devin Lindsay, the black prospector. He's my trainer. And we talk about how a fit body fuse a creative mind. Also, Trisha Rose Burt, she's a storyteller with the moth and her podcast is called no Time to be Timid. We talk about answering the call to a creative life. Dana Norris is coming up. She's a storyteller and the host of Story Club Cleveland. She actually got me into telling stories and in February I got a whole collection of amazing storytellers. For Black History Month. I'll share more on that soon. So go subscribe to Shannon Kayson on YouTube, look for Storyteller to Storyteller, and watch all the previous episodes. You can let them play while you at work or on your drive.

[Shannon Cason]

All right.

[Glenn Washington]

Enjoy the show. Welcome to Homemade. I'm Shannon Cason. I've been blessed to do a lot.

[Shannon Cason]

Of storytelling shows, podcasts, events, conferences.

[Glenn Washington]

I do a lot of shows. I stay active if it's hosting storytelling events for nonprofits or corporations, or if it's a storytelling show right down the.

[Shannon Cason]

Street and someone asks me to come tell a story.

[Glenn Washington]

I just did a show called Story.

[Shannon Cason]

Sessions here in Chicago.

[Glenn Washington]

Great show by Geo Howe. I'm usually down if I have time.

[Shannon Cason]

You know, if I have time, because.

[Glenn Washington]

I like to stay active. And of course, when snap judgment calls, I'm down to share a story. Many of you have found homemade through snap judgment or the moth, which is very cool. So snap judgment asked me if I had a story about family, specifically around the holidays.

[Shannon Cason]

And I had a story, but it.

[Glenn Washington]

Was a fresh story, meaning it just happened. And I usually try to let some space and time pass between when something happens and when I share it. But I've been challenging that personally imposed rule more and more. I just been challenging it and practicing.

[Shannon Cason]

Being more immediate, more authentic.

[Glenn Washington]

So I agreed to tell it.

[Shannon Cason]

I don't know.

[Glenn Washington]

We got some airplanes going past.

[Shannon Cason]

Hold on.

[Glenn Washington]

Nah, it was the snowplow. The snowplow got some snow here in Chicago. But I've been challenging that rule like.

[Shannon Cason]

That I have to let a lot of time pass before I tell a story.

[Glenn Washington]

So this is a serious story, and I want to be respectful to everyone in this story. I didn't want to paint myself better than anyone else in the story, and I wanted to be honest, but not make it any worse than it already already is or needs to be. And I think I did a good job with it. I think I did.

[Shannon Cason]

I think so. Warning.

[Glenn Washington]

This story has a little violence and a little gun play. Nothing that doesn't happen at most your own Thanksgiving dinners. But that's just to warn you just in case. However, that's not a reason not to listen.

[Shannon Cason]

Okay?

[Glenn Washington]

So I'm gonna share some thoughts after the story. So listen to the end.

[Shannon Cason]

Okay.

[Glenn Washington]

Enjoy the show. Here's Glenn Washing.

[Joyce Lee]

Today on the backstage episode, some of the finest storytellers in all the land, the super friends of storytelling, are gathered to consider stories about the most precious institution of all, family. Let's begin. Shannon.

[Shannon Cason]

Yes.

[Glenn Washington]

Yeah.

[Joyce Lee]

Do you Have a story to share with us about family.

[Shannon Cason]

Oh yeah. Always. Always. I drove from Chicago to Detroit. Just a short four, five hour drive, depending on how I want to drive and how I'm feeling that day. But I'm going home for Thanksgiving and home is Detroit. I'm recently divorced, moved to Chicago. Most of y'all know my ex wife. I moved to Chicago to create a little distance between me and my second ex wife. I got a few ex wives, Cindy, but we still good friends. Me and Cindy. Still like best friends, you know, so hopefully it'll stay that way. But I felt the green light to kind of move to Chicago because everything was stable in Detroit before I left. Nice home. My daughter Zoe. Most Glenn know my daughter. My daughter doing really well. Excellent student, confident personality. Everything is good. Home is safe and secure. So. And I'm. I'm there all the time too, so I'm always in Detroit. But as soon as I was packing the U haul to leave Detroit, my ex wife's son was packing the U haul to move into the house with his family. Her son and his girlfriend. They have four kids, so it's a lot of them. And the kids was playing with a lighter. Okay. Burnt the house down. Oh, wow. And he moved into his mom's house. My. My ex wife. So. So when I pull up to the house, I open the door, four kids, bum rush me. Little kids yelling, grandpa, grandpa. You know, they running around screaming, writing on the walls, peeing everywhere. Kids pee everywhere. So. So I'm looking around, make sure there's no lighters or matches or anything around for these kids to reach because obviously you get it. So when I left the house, it was peaceful, tranquil, secure. But now it's. It's be honest. Baby's kids running around. They invaded the home. Exactly, man. Just be real about it, you know. And.

[Joyce Lee]

The one who burnt down the other house is in. Is in your house now.

[Shannon Cason]

Yeah, I'm gonna say it's all of them, you know, I can't point to one because I think all of them had a little something to do with it. But. But when I'm home, I'm home, you know, man of the house energy. I unpack, put all my stuff, you know, put up, put. Put my around the house shorts on, walk in the living room, grab the remote, sit down on my couch, you know, and watch whatever I want to watch on my tv. The kids crying. Cause I don't want to watch no cocoa melon or nothing like that. I watch football instead, you know, y'all deal with it. It's Thanksgiving, but it's the more the merrier. So, because it's a full house, the day after Thanksgiving, I wake up early, go downstairs, make my coffee. My morning ritual, I'm only wearing my drawers. That's, that's how I wake up. And, and this, this is real. I've been working out, you know, I'm newly single. The young girls, they like the muscles and the gray hairs, you know, looking good, you know what I'm talking about.

[Dana H.]

Talk to them, talk to them. Talk to these soft young heads, Shannon, tell us. These soft young heads, man.

[Shannon Cason]

I'm so happy for you, man. But I'm, I'm, I'm newly single out in this world, you know, so I'm looking like a young V rhymes in the kitchen, you know, whoa, making my coffee. And I, I noticed my ex wife's baby boy sitting on the back porch smoking a cigarette. And I'm throwing away the old coffee grinds, and I noticed that the trash bag is overflowing. So I look out the back door to the back porch. You know, he's smoking a cigarette. I say, hey, did you, you see this garbage can? You get it respectfully, you know, Respectfully. And he's smoking. He said, yeah, I got it. I make my coffee, go walk around the house, you know, fix a squeaky door or something. That's what I be fixing stuff when I'm at the house. And after a while, I walk back in the kitchen for a coffee refill, and I noticed that the garbage is still there, overflowing. Uh oh. So this, that moment, you know, we were just talking face to face, eye to eye. He said, I got it. I come from, you know, a home where when men talk, you know, your word is your bond. My dad used to have a term, the only excuse is death. So I knock on the door to where him and his girlfriend sleep. And I tell his girlfriend, I say, excuse me, sorry. Sorry for waking you. And I tell him I need to talk to him outside. He gets up, groggy, comes out the room, and I walk him outside where he was smoking cigarettes.

[Joyce Lee]

Go ahead, what's he look like?

[Shannon Cason]

I'm six three. He's six, six. He, he big. He, he, he came into his body after, you know, he almost 30, so he a big dude. So we go out to the back porch, out where he was smoking cigarettes. You ain't hear me tell you about that garbage? He say, I heard you. I was gonna do it. When I got up, these young guys, they talk with A mumble, you know, it's all the mumble rap. All that mumble rap.

[Cindy B.]

It is mumble rap. It is.

[Shannon Cason]

So I'm like, what you say? You ain't talking to your mama. Speak up. Talk like a man. I ain't hear you, boy. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. He like, man, you trippin. And he goes to turn his back on me, walk back in the house. So I pull him back in front of me. And now we screaming at each other. And it's kind of funny cause he dressed in shorts and a tee for bed, like he playing basketball. He tall, six'six and I'm in my drawers. It is cold outside, you know, yelling on the back porch.

[Cindy B.]

Oh, my God.

[Shannon Cason]

I don't wanna fight him. I just want him to be responsible in the house. Instead of playing video games all day, drinking all day, smoking cigarettes all day with four kids looking at it, you know, become the man of the house. If not for this house, for your own house. And after a while, we go back inside, we start to reason, we start talking. He telling me about, you know, him just being frustrated with life. The house burning down, the kids running wild, the working nights, low pay, and how he's always tired. So I put on some clothes and. And he poured himself a drink from the bar. Actually, actually, my bar. You know, it's still early in the morning, but it's the day after Thanksgiving. My bar. You know, that's exactly my bar. My vintage bar from them. You know, I'm bragging on my bar. That's from the movie Goodfellas. I, I, I, I can't take it with me. It's still at the house. Because I'm in an apartment right now. I'm in that divorce guy apartment, you know, that one bedroom. Know that. You know that apartment?

[Dana H.]

Yeah, we all been there. I wasn't even married.

[Shannon Cason]

Actually, actually, my liquor that he's drinking, this Detroit distillery bourbon. It's good bourbon. I like bourbon, Ray. Know what I'm talking about. But then I, I, I say, all this talk, you know, I say, you know, but that garbage still there. You gotta get that garbage, man. And he get mad. Cause he's sharing his, his bitter life story for the pity party. And I'm still focused on the garbage, but I come from first things first, you know? And he's like, you don't even live here. I'm like, I'm always here even though I'm not here, you know? Matter of fact, you drinking my Detroit distillery bourbon from my vintage bar from Goodfellas, you know what I'm saying? So we start screaming on each other, the slow burn part, back and forth. And by now the whole house is up. His girlfriend, my ex wife, the four kids, all under 10. Zoe, my teenage daughter, the cat, you know, and we arguing about the garbage. And at one point he was like screaming at the top of his lungs and he like stuck out his face to scream louder. And I know it wasn't right, but I slapped the out of him.

[Dana H.]

It ain't funny.

[Shannon Cason]

I did, I did. And after the slap, we standing face to face. He's tall, he's big, dude. He threw a short jab that connected well. Now he's giving specific, like a short jab that connected too. He, he's six, six, you know, his arms long. It wasn't too hard, but it was a good punch. I was like, I was impressed. I was actually, I was actually impressed, you know, right in my lips.

[Dana H.]

Hey, I'm not mad at this man. At least he didn't, he didn't let you. Chris Rock.

[Shannon Cason]

Exactly.

[Joyce Lee]

Chris Rock.

[Dana H.]

I said it.

[Shannon Cason]

I was impressed.

[Dana H.]

I was impressed.

[Shannon Cason]

So I, you know, in my mind, I like, I either gotta back up from him or like close in on him. So I closed in, I grabbed him and we fell back on the dining table. Flattened the dining table to the floor. This is a young fighter.

[Dana H.]

This is a bra.

[Shannon Cason]

I got, I got my lick back. Just, just one. I ain't hit him hard, you know what I'm saying? Just nothing crazy. But my daughter, she said something that I thought was like the perfect thing. She said, this is so stupid. Go ahead, tear up the house. I'm going to my room. You know, she just called it stupid. I was like, yeah, probably. She, she right, you know. So he got up and he said, I got something for you. And he ran out the house to his car and drove off. Now I keep weapons in the house.

[Joyce Lee]

What?

[Cindy B.]

Oh, God.

[Shannon Cason]

There's a few, few things that I, I consider for a safe, secure house in Detroit. You know, you got reinforced doors, you got the ADT alarm system, you got the Nest video system recording 247 and guns. All, all registered legally purchased, you know, brother. So when he left the house to lead to get in the car and say, he go, going to get something for me. I wasn't just gonna sit around and just wait for him to go get something, you know, see what there's something gonna be. I holstered up, you know, I stayed holstered up for that little time and I started to clean up the House fix the table. It was a wood table. Easy. Nothing. Hammer, nails, screws, drill. I just fix it up and turn on the TV on cocomelon for the kids. And my, my, my.

[Joyce Lee]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Shannon Cason]

You strapped? It ain't like they ain't seen fights before, though. You strapped?

[Joyce Lee]

Turning on cocomelon.

[Shannon Cason]

Yeah. Yeah. It's the east side Detroit life.

[Joyce Lee]

He's tidying up while he's strapped up.

[Shannon Cason]

So my ex wife was gonna leave the house. Cindy was gonna leave the house, go get some eggs cooked for the Thanksgiving, like after Thanksgiving. Breakfast is good. You know what I'm saying? She gonna make a after Thanksgiving, like leftover omelets or something. And it's not the end of the world. So I left with her to go to the store just to talk about everything that happened. And Cindy was happy that someone stood up to her son. He had been bullying around the house and smoking in the living room, like, smoking all through her house and drinking every day and taking the keys for the car and be gone for days. It was just too much. He needed to man up in some ways. So while we were gone, Cindy got a call from her son's girlfriend, and her son was back at the house. And something that he had brought back to the house was a gun. And he was looking for him. So we immediately returned to the house. The biggest thing was, like, the kids in the house, you know, my daughter in there, all his kids. So. So with no delay. I ain't got no training. I'm gonna be real with you. Ain't no huge trainer. Go to a range or something, you know. But I drew the gun, cocked it, and it's all dangerous with the people in the house and the kids in the house. Very, extremely dangerous. And I'm walking through the door like I done seen in the. In the detective TV TV shows and movies, you know, loaded gun drawn, ready. I don't know what I'm doing. As soon as I walk in, I hear something. I hear something drop. And he yells out, I dropped a gun. I'm done. And he's speaking clearly this time. And I saw the gun on the floor, and I saw his hands up. I picked the gun up from the floor and I held both the guns in my hand, my fingers off the trigger, of course. And he still had his hands up. I don't know, it looked like with his hands up, like he was asking for a hug. So I hugged him and we hugged for a second, and that was it. Then he left the house again, unloaded the Guns. I went to the kitchen for another cup of coffee, leaned against the counter, noticed the trash was still overflowing, so I just took it out myself. Whoa.

[Joyce Lee]

That's a family story.

[Dana H.]

Hell of a story.

[Cindy B.]

That's right on.

[Dana H.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Cason]

Wow.

[Dana H.]

Sounds like. Like a regular old Thanksgiving dinner, man.

[Shannon Cason]

That's your Detroit family story. I don't know.

[Joyce Lee]

I ain't gonna put that over guns being gone, but.

[Shannon Cason]

Wow. Yeah.

[Joyce Lee]

Almost a shootout Thanksgiving.

[Shannon Cason]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joyce Lee]

Well, thank you for that. Thank you. Can. Can we have a postscript?

[Cindy B.]

How.

[Joyce Lee]

What's going on with y'all now?

[Shannon Cason]

I'd be real. We talked a little bit afterwards, but it's not any heavy contact, and it's. It's. You know, it's a challenge. But I think time, life, everything create understanding over time. We. But we did talk, and I talked to his dad, too, so it was like we. We had some conversations. I took up a boxing class, too. That's good thinking. I started boxing training. It was good exercise, you know what I'm saying?

[Cindy B.]

I have a question. I have a question, Shannon. If you could have done one thing, just one differently in this situation, what would it have been?

[Shannon Cason]

You know, Joyce, I got a lot of guilt, too, for not being home. You know, divorce is hard on everybody. And. And honestly, you know, I talk on it like the man of the house type stuff, but I ain't there. You know? You get what I'm saying? So I'm not home.

[Cindy B.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Cason]

So walking in, I might have had too much pride, too, you know, in walking in the home. I probably would have just took out the garbage myself and just left it at that.

[Glenn Washington]

Because.

[Shannon Cason]

Because his and my. My ex wife's relationship, that's their relationship. I don't. I don't have to come in and fix anything, but I think I had that mindset still, like, I gotta fix everything. And I got that pride of, you know, like, most of the stuff is the stuff that I, you know, we got together or whatever, but that's not my place anymore in a lot of ways. You know, I'm there for whatever, but I have to know my place within where I'm at in life right now. Where we at in life. Whoa.

[Dana H.]

Yeah, man. That's a real. That's. That's. That's a. All your stories are.

[Shannon Cason]

Are real.

[Dana H.]

And this is a, you know, nothing short of that, man. And I think both you. That's just really shows you how much people are on edge. Like, you have what's going on with you, and then he has what's going on with him. And, you know. Yeah. When those two things clash without communication, you know, you could grab the strap. It could go all the way, you know, but it's true. It could go over there over something so petty, as in taking out the trash when it's not about the trash, obviously, but. Yeah, that's.

[Joyce Lee]

That's.

[Shannon Cason]

That's.

[Dana H.]

I'm glad y'all worked it out.

[Joyce Lee]

Yeah.

[Shannon Cason]

You know, in. In. In. Glenn was talking about the holy. The holy ghost and the spirit and everything else.

[Glenn Washington]

I left with Cindy.

[Shannon Cason]

I often think, like, if I'd have been in the house and he'd have just came in with the gun, what would have happened? You know what I'm saying? Because he. His. His. His heat might have been up at that time, and. But I left. I left the house to go get some eggs, you know, if I hadn't, you know, I think about that, too, but I'm happy. I'm happy they gave him time. Yeah. He thought about it with all the kids there and everybody else, and it wasn't that serious, you know?

[Glenn Washington]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Cason]

But. But everything will work out. Thank y'all for listening. Thank you for your ear. Appreciate you.

[Joyce Lee]

Thank you, man.

[Dana H.]

Hell, yeah.

[Joyce Lee]

Thank you.

[Dana H.]

Yeah. That's personal.

[Shannon Cason]

Wow.

[Glenn Washington]

Honestly, I wish that story didn't happen because it created so many consequences. We haven't spoken since, and it created a rift between me and him, but it also created issues with him and his mom, and I didn't want that to happen.

[Shannon Cason]

I wanted it to just be me.

[Glenn Washington]

And him, not others, you know, I don't want to share too much about their relationship. It's not my place, but I try to focus my stories on me and my perspective. It's a beautiful family.

[Shannon Cason]

His family is a beautiful family, and.

[Glenn Washington]

Everybody'S beautiful who's involved, and I hope we can all come together soon and make it right. I love to do a positive update to this story.

[Shannon Cason]

I would really love that.

[Glenn Washington]

And I know I'm not alone here. I know I'm not alone. I know. So share your crazy family Thanksgiving stories.

[Shannon Cason]

With me, and you get a plus.

[Glenn Washington]

Because I would love to hear any redemption.

[Shannon Cason]

So it's a plus for any redemption.

[Glenn Washington]

Stories because I believe this story will be in redemption story too soon. I believe that.

[Shannon Cason]

All right. Thank you for listening.

[Glenn Washington]

This episode was produced by me at home, Shannon Cason. Also, the snap judgment story is produced by Domingo Montoya and Pat Mesiti Miller. Also thanks to Glenn Washington and Mark.

[Shannon Cason]

Ristich and Nika Singh for everything.

[Glenn Washington]

Special thanks to Joyce Lee and Dino Archie for their questions at the end. And all my snap judgment friends, you'll be hearing from them more and more on Storyteller to Storyteller. So go subscribe to Shannon Casen on YouTube. Look up Storyteller, the Storyteller. I'm gonna be talking to all my friends. Consider supporting the [e-mail] Shannon Casein or cash app $sign Shannon Case and be a friend of the stories. And for more information on workshops and speaking engagements, go to shannonkazen.com and the beat for this episode is produced by.

[Shannon Cason]

A Margin of Freedom.

[Glenn Washington]

It's an old friend of mine, one.

[Shannon Cason]

Of the flyest guys I know too.

[Glenn Washington]

Follow A Margin of Freedom on Instagram and listen to his production on Bruce Kush's album Flamingo Bay Grotto and the Narco Guerrillas.

[Shannon Cason]

And I'm still looking for beats.

[Glenn Washington]

And come back soon for more and more stories.

[Shannon Cason]

Alright, don't shoot nobody now.

[Cindy B.]

Now that's homemade.