#184 Growing Threat - Christian Persecution in Syria, Homeland Attacks and How to Prepare

Summary

Shawn Ryan Show - Episode #184 Summary
Title: Growing Threat - Christian Persecution in Syria, Homeland Attacks and How to Prepare
Release Date: March 20, 2025
Host: Shawn Ryan
Guests: Scott Mann, Sarah Adams, Legend

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Introduction

In Episode #184 of the "Shawn Ryan Show," host Shawn Ryan engages in a critical discussion with guests Scott Mann, Sarah Adams, and Legend. The conversation centers on the escalating persecution of Christians in Syria, the potential for homeland attacks orchestrated by terrorist networks, and strategies for community preparedness against such threats.

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Syrian Blitzkrieg and Christian Persecution

[01:05] Sarah Adams

Sarah Adams opens the discussion by shedding light on the severe persecution of Christians in Syria. She questions the current federal government's efforts, highlighting the substantial weekly funding ($40 to $87 million) directed toward the Taliban through various NGOs. Adams emphasizes the importance of community-level engagement to develop preparedness plans, noting, "what we can do is talk to communities down at the local level and just get them thinking about this, having the conversations and coming up with some plans and stuff that they can do" (01:25).

[03:28] Legend

Legend provides a historical backdrop, detailing the origins of the Syrian blitzkrieg initiated in November 2021 by Musa bin Ali and Abu Muhammad Al Jelani. He explains the collaboration with Al Qaeda and the Taliban to amass and train thousands of fighters, ultimately leading to Jelani's takeover of Syria in November 2024. Legend asserts, "So if we're not honest about the roots of how Jelani took Syria, then we're not going to be able to understand what's going on" (03:28).

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The Islamic Caliphate Plot

[07:48] Sarah Adams & [07:51] Legend

Amidst the discussion, Sarah Adams seeks a definition of the Islamic caliphate. Legend elaborates on the historical context, explaining the ambition to recreate a caliphate, led by figures like Hamza bin Laden. He outlines the strategic expansion plan targeting countries such as Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, and others, stating, "they want to keep it going" (07:55).

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US Government's Role and Defunding Terrorists

[10:40] Legend & [12:33] Legend

Legend critiques the U.S. government's withdrawal strategy from Syria, suggesting it was designed to expedite the Taliban's resurgence. He highlights the problematic handing over of training camps and the potential resurgence of ISIS, stating, "We are not actually defeating them, we're just holding them five to seven years and then restarting the entire process again" (12:33).

Sarah Adams echoes this sentiment, emphasizing the cyclical nature of war funding and the absence of long-term strategic plans to counteract terrorism. She questions whether the U.S. deliberately perpetuates conflict for financial gain, to which Legend responds, "Nothing but goodness is going to come out of that" (13:36).

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Lack of an Endgame in US Warfare

[12:33] Legend & [13:36] Sarah Adams

The conversation delves into the absence of a definitive endgame in the U.S. approach to terrorism. Legend points out that captured terrorists are often released without prosecution, enabling them to rebuild and re-engage in hostile activities. Sarah Adams probes whether this strategy is intentional, suggesting a perpetuation of war for monetary benefits, to which Legend attributes it to short-term funding cycles and political elections, stating, "We put all this money into these weapons, right? Let's put money into education. And no one wanted to think of it long term" (13:36).

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Threats on Homeland and Intelligence Gaps

[20:43] Sean Ryan & [35:22] Sean Ryan

Sean Ryan addresses the evolving threats posed by Taliban operatives infiltrating the United States. He mentions intelligence reports indicating over a thousand deep-cover operatives within the U.S., "These criminal organizations, these terrorists, they have hijacked Islam and Islamic symbols. They're not Muslim. They want to kill Americans in the name of Islam" (24:30). Sean criticizes the current intelligence framework, noting the lack of communication with the resistance and the compromised relationship with the Taliban.

[45:24] Scott Mann

Scott Mann underscores the discrepancy between official U.S. intelligence assessments and the insights provided by veterans and resistance members. He highlights the challenges faced due to the abandonment of 98-99% of U.S. intelligence assets in Afghanistan, leading to reliance on Taliban-sourced information, which compromises the credibility of threat intelligence.

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Funding and Money Laundering

[78:55] Sean Ryan & [83:52] Sean Ryan

The discussion shifts to the intricate pathways through which U.S. funding inadvertently supports Taliban operations. Sean Ryan explains how $40 million weekly funds are routed through Afghanistan International Bank and Azizi Bank in Dubai, enabling money laundering and the procurement of resources for terrorist activities. He emphasizes, "Taliban leaders and militias are unfamiliar with the diverse languages and cultures of Afghan society and will never gain national or popular legitimacy" (82:00).

Legend adds that humanitarian and counterterrorism dollars are being misappropriated to fund plots against U.S. embassies and personnel globally, highlighting the systemic corruption within U.S. aid distribution.

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Legislative Actions and HR260 Bill

[67:08] Sean Ryan

Sean Ryan advocates for the passage of HR260, the "No Tax Dollars for Terrorist Act," co-sponsored by Congressman Tim Burchett and others. He outlines the bipartisan support and the steps needed for the bill's approval, stating, "It is waiting for the speaker of the House to put it on the House floor so members of Congress could vote on it" (68:17). The bill aims to halt the flow of U.S. funds to Taliban-affiliated NGOs and counterterrorism operations that inadvertently support terrorist plots.

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Community Preparedness and the Gathering Storm

[91:06] Scott Mann & [96:21] Sarah Adams

Scott Mann and Sarah Adams discuss the importance of community-level preparedness to counteract potential homeland attacks. They introduce their collaborative project, "The Gathering Storm," which examines historical terrorist attacks to derive commonalities and actionable insights for communities. Key lessons include:

• Research and Awareness: Encouraging individuals to study past attacks to mitigate fear and enhance preparedness.
  "Do your own research, to not let fear dominate, but to question things." (96:28)

• Community Engagement: Building strong relationships with local law enforcement and leveraging veteran expertise to develop security plans.
  "Hardening your community, hardening your school, hardening your church, hardening your household." (118:08)

• Medical Preparedness: Equipping communities with basic medical supplies and training to handle casualties independently when official responders are overwhelmed.
  "If you have a baked communication going up to the metal detector, the bomber gets freaked out, blows up, you save lives." (125:20)

• Red Cells and Scenario Planning: Establishing dedicated teams within Emergency Operations Centers to conduct threat-based scenario analyses and enhance response strategies.
  "Every emergency operation center, county sheriff should have a red cell." (103:56)

Legend emphasizes the critical role of community-driven initiatives in filling gaps left by institutional paralysis, advocating for proactive measures to prevent strategic paralysis during crises.

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with a poignant message from Sean Ryan, urging immediate action to prevent terrorist infiltration and attacks on American soil. He underscores the necessity of reconciling veteran intelligence insights with government strategies to effectively counteract the growing threats. The guests collectively advocate for a unified approach, blending governmental efforts with grassroots community preparedness to safeguard against impending dangers.

Notable Quote:
“In 2025, Americans should not have to live in fear of IDs and suicide bombings in America. And this is unfortunate, but it doesn't have to happen if everyone does their part.” — Sean Ryan [137:08]

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Takeaways

• Urgent Need for Legislative Action: Passing HR260 to stop funding that inadvertently supports terrorism.
• Community-Level Preparedness: Engaging local communities to develop security and medical response plans.
• Enhanced Intelligence Collaboration: Bridging the gap between veteran insights and formal intelligence channels.
• Proactive Measures: Instituting training, establishing Red Cells, and leveraging community resources to prevent and respond to attacks.

For those seeking to protect their communities and stay informed on emerging threats, this episode offers a comprehensive analysis and actionable strategies to navigate the complex landscape of modern terrorism.

Transcript

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[Sarah Adams]

All right guys, it's been a minute since I've seen you and so here we are. We're going to talk about Syria, Afghanistan, where the funding is, where the bills are and stuff. When the federal government to, I guess, what do we call it, Defund the Taliban for the 40 to 87 million. We're sending them a week through various NGOs and talk about, I think the big thing we want to talk about today on top of all that are what can communities do? It's at the top level and there's only so much we can do. But one of the things that we can do is talk to communities down at the local level and just get them thinking about this, having the conversations and coming up with some plans and stuff that they can do. But you guys don't need it. Any introduction. All of you have been on the show. Scott several times. Sarah several times. Legend, but just a quick intro. Legend can't reveal your face because you're still doing the Secret Squirrel stuff and you're back and forth in and out of conus. So we will reveal your identity. But Afghan American, former Army intelligence Sarah, former CIA analyst, former CIA targeter, Scott, former Green Beret and all of you guys have a very extensive intel type network and they all seem to be pretty different networks. It's not like you guys are just all getting your information from the same sources. And so that's kind of what we're going to cover today. And I just want to say thank you for coming back. I love, even though the conversations are heavy, I just love seeing you guys. So thanks for making it back. But but so let's kind of start with some of the intel stuff. Sarah, I know you have some info on this. Right now. Media is blown up. Christians are being massacred in Syria. And so give us some insight there. How is this happening, why it's happening? You know, give us what you know about the situation going on in Syria.

[Legend]

Sure. I'm gonna have to go back in time just a little bit. So if we go back to November20, that is the time basically the planning started for the Syrian blitzkrieg, how it all came together, actually, is one of our Benghazi plotters, the one I talk about all the time, Musa bin Ali. Him and Abu Muhammad Al Jelani, the current president of Syria, were running a lot of terror line facilitation networks in Syria. They've been doing this for well over a decade. They run a really big terrorist camp in Libya, south of Misrata. And so they got together and basically decided, let's pull in Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Let's do in Syria what happened in Afghanistan. So it was November of 2021 when Abu Jelani came to Afghanistan and he sat down with Musa Surajiddin Haqqani, who is the Minister of Interior of Afghanistan, and Mullah Yacoub, who is the Minister of Defense of Afghanistan, right? And they came up with this plot and planning to do the Syrian blitzkrieg. So as you can, im Jelani didn't have enough fighters to take all of Syria by himself. So the plan they came up with is the Taliban said, okay, we'll give you training camps in Nangarhar Province, right? You can come here and safely train. Because at the time, Jilani's camps were outside of Al military base in Syria, and they were being bombed and they couldn't safely train there. So they moved a lot of their training to Afghanistan, but it wasn't enough. So Al Qaeda and specifically Hamza bin Laden said, hey, we'll train a certain number fighters for you. What do you need? And Jelani said, I need 10,000 fighters. So for those couple years, Al Qaeda then trained an additional 10,000 fighters inside of Afghanistan on top of what Giuliani was sending. Okay? So then they all go to Syria. And as we saw two years later, three years later, right, November 2024, the Syrian blitzkrieg happened and Jelani took over. Now, when Giuliani took over, oddly, the press and the American diplomats and we saw the EU and the UN all leaned in and they're like, oh, this is bringing democracy to Syria. Oh, he's going to have an inclusive government. Same language we heard in Afghanistan where the intention is to make Syria just like Afghanistan, to make it an Islamic caliphate. So Jilani plans to ethnically cleanse the Christians, Alawites, the Kurds, et cetera, because that is the plan to bring in the Islamic caliphate. Just like the Taliban has been ethnically cleansing. You know, obviously people from Panjshir, the Hazaras in Afghanistan, it's the exact same playbook, the exact same model, and a lot of the exact same people. So if we're not honest about the roots of how Jilani took Syria, then we're not going to be able to understand what's going on. But we don't understand what's going on. Makes perfect sense.

[Sarah Adams]

How many Christians have been executed?

[Legend]

I don't really know the number of Christians because they've also hit these Alawite neighborhoods.

[Sean Ryan]

What is that?

[Sarah Adams]

What's an Alawite neighborhood?

[Legend]

Well, it's just another minority in the country. We mostly know the Kurds because we fought with the Kurds. And they're going to move on, obviously, and do the Kurds. So the reporting come under Syria, as you can imagine, is very limited. Right. Because the government, like Afghanistan, is not run by terrorists. Right. So we're maybe seeing 10% of the number. So we're hearing, like, in the thousands, but we just honestly don't know the number. And even all the years there was a Syrian civil war, it was so hard to get the numbers of people being killed. Like, do you understand the Syrians have war when Assad was basically killing his own people? He's also a bad guy. Right. You don't want Assad in the country. You don't want Jiulani in the country. Over 500,000 Syrians died. Right. Like, we ignored all this. Our press didn't put it out. And now they act like they're caring about something. When these atrocities have been going on for a long time in Syria now it's just a terrorist doing them. Right. A terrorist, though, that US Government now has an official relationship with. They share intelligence with him. And the U.S. department of Defense has, for the last month, been taking out Giuliani's rivals. So we've been consolidating power for this terrorist who's now ethnically cleansing in his country.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Sarah Adams]

How are they?

[Sean Ryan]

How.

[Sarah Adams]

Just go over the caliphate again.

[Legend]

Sure.

[Sarah Adams]

So a lot of the listeners don't understand what that is. So can you just give us a definition of that?

[Legend]

Yeah, sure. And, I mean, I bet legend could do a much better job of explaining, like, the history. But over time, there's basically five Islamic caliphates. The last one, I believe, ended like the 1940s, right. When the Ottoman EMP felt. So the terrorists want to recreate and reinvent the caliphate. The person actually leading this is Hamza bin Laden because his father said, I don't care if it takes a hundred years, right, we're going to re. Establish a caliphate. Well, Hamza's like, I'm going to do it in my lifetime to honor my father. So he's been, as you can imagine, connecting with a lot of the groups, Sunni, Shia, it doesn't matter. And saying, we got to do this as a team. We have to work together. So basically the first country in the caliphate is Iran, even though that came in a long time ago. So they view that as already in the caliphate. So now in this present generation, Afghanistan's one, Syria's two. And then their next move looks like. I thought it was gonna be Mali, but now it looks like Somalia first. So they're gonna try to either drop, get Mali or Somalia next to be the next country that falls to the terrorists and becomes a piece of this caliphate. And then over time, they just want to keep. They wanna do Iraq, Burkina Faso, Libya. Right. So they have a plan over time to they did in what they think they did in Afghanistan and what they definitely did in Syria.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Sarah Adams]

So, so basically they're. If I'm hearing this right, they are going through back to just Syria. They're going through demographic group by group by group. So they haven't reached the Kurds yet.

[Legend]

Correct. Well, the interesting part is they tried to get. So the sad part is when Giuliani took over, he did kind of one of those, you got to turn your weapons in. You got to register, sadly, a lot. The Christians and all the whites turned the weapons in. Right. The west was pushing this. The Kurds are like, we're not giving up our weapons. A lot of people even think tanks in the US Government is like, kurds, turn in your weapons. Be a part of this new democracy, this new inclusive government. The Kurds luckily didn't. The Kurds are still being attacked by the Turkish government. So it's not like there's nothing going on there. But of course, it's going to end up being some sort of larger war because the Kurds are not going to obviously give their weapons over to terrorists.

[Sarah Adams]

What do you think about. I mean, from my understanding, we're leaving Syria. Correct. So I got a really good friend, he's Green Beret, Just served over there. Sounds like it's going to be one of the last deployments over there. And the Kurds are really, I mean, they're obviously very worried about what happens to them when we pull out. Should we be, what's your opinion? Should we be pulling out of there? Should we stay there?

[Legend]

Well, I at least know when they planned the Syrian blitzkrieg. There's basically two key parts of it, right? So they planned it because the US Is about to pull out. It was even going to try to push them out faster, Right. But also a part of the planning. So there are these camps in Syria, right? It's mostly known where the ISIS women and children are, but there's some fighters in them too. I think, Gosh, it was like over 40,000 ISIS members in these camps. Some are children, though, you know what I mean? And so that's one of the big pieces of this push. So when the US leaves, we're going to hand those camps over to Giuliani and his exclusive government. And he's already made a promise, this was part of the whole deal, that they're going to release the women and children in those camps. So the real deal here is when we leave, basically it helps to reestablish isis, the next generation of isis. And even Al Qaeda and the Taliban have offered to take 10,000 of those women and children, bring them to Afghanistan, give them sustenance, make sure the women can get remarried into jihadi families, and build that next generation of terrorists too. So this is going to be a huge win for ISIS when we leave Syria. But I do think we're going to leave Syria. I mean, it's not my choice if we leave or stay. But I'm just saying, basically the tumbling effect of that's going to be a major resurgence of ISIS.

[Sarah Adams]

We spent 20 years at war. This is for everybody. We spent 20 years at war. The terrorism just seems to be the snowball effect that gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Then US goes to war, it shrinks. It shrinks. It shrinks. As soon as we leave, it seems like it's growing. It seems like every time we leave, it gets bigger, faster. And so do you have something?

[Legend]

Yeah, well, I want to point out, so we fight terrorists, but we have no endgames for them. Okay, so basically all the terrorists I know that we captured in Pakistan got freed, right? Because they didn't go through the Pakistani judicial system. We didn't extradite them to the United States beside a couple of really high level, like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Right. So after like five years, the Pakistani prisons are getting full and they're like, what do you want to do with them? Us okay, release them. The detainees we picked up in Iraq, re release them. These ones in Syria are going to get released. The Gitmo detainees re released, what, 80% of them plus. So we have no end game for these terrorists. So then we put them back out on the street and then they build the next generation. So we're not actually defeating them, we're just holding them five to seven years and then restarting the entire process again. There is no end game for terrorists.

[Sarah Adams]

Is this on purpose? Is this because us wants to be at war? Because it's a big money making machine. Why? Why don't we end it?

[Legend]

The problem is, in my opinion, the US plans in two to four year cycles how they're funded. Nobody is in it for the long term. One is because of how we elect politicians. But the funding cycles in the Department of Defense, right, it's like, let's get this money this time. Here's our mission. We don't have long term strategic plans. You know, I mean everyone talks about it, but it is the greatest example, right, the end of Charlie Wilson's war when he says, hey, we put all this money into these weapons, right? Let's put money into education. And no one wanted to think of it long term. And then we got unfortunately the problems we had with nine, 11. So we are horrible at the long term planning. There is no long term endgame for terrorists. They know it. They all know they're gonna get released. They all know they're gonna get back in the battlefield. And so if you have no repercussions, it gives you a confidence.

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[Sarah Adams]

Interesting. Do you guys have anything to add on that.

[Scott Mann]

I mean, I would love to hear legends take on, you know, the long game that these individuals play with the caliphate. And I think that's, it starts with that. You know, we have a, we have a, this is me looking back on 20 Years of War. I think we have a very Western way of thinking about things and a preferred way of war. You know, look at how we, we took counterinsurgency and we literally lifted it over from Vietnam and applied it into Afghanistan into that rural insurgency. So we applied a counterinsurgency model and fought it for 20 years and you know, mixed in with a CT strategy where we were essentially mowing the grass, you know, cutting the heads off, but then new ones grew. But I do think that when you, we really have to look carefully at how do these individuals think about their end game. They're fighting a, if necessary, multi century narrative. You know, they're, they're prepared to stay with this thing, you know, to the end. And, and, and the, you know, they love, it's often said they love, they love death as much as we love life in order to achieve that. So I just don't think we're even in the same arena in terms of mindset and we don't fully appreciate the level of persistence that they have to meet their strategic goals and that they have no intention of they being the small percentage of Islamist radicals who are hijacking this religion. They have no intention of coexisting with the West.

[Sarah Adams]

See, you know, everybody seems to be, all of our adversaries seem to be such long term thinkers. China has a 200 year plan. Terrorists have a long game plan. I mean, what do you guys think about what we're seeing in Europe through their immigration policies? I mean, you go over there now, you go to Paris, you know, the tourism district seems fine. You leave and it's these Islamist extremist neighborhoods. And same thing's going on in London. Same thing's going on in Belgium. When me and you were at the inauguration, we spoke with the oncoming ambassador to Belgium. He was talking to us about this. I'm hoping to, to interview him. Germany, it's happening there. And I saw my friend Joe Lonsdale put out a tweet not too long ago and he was kind of, how do I say this? He was just broaching the idea, hey, what happens when Europe gets completely flipped from Christian nations who are run by Christians to is Islamist extremists? And what does that look like? Not just for Europe, but for the entire world? I mean, There goes our allies, you know, and so, I mean, what do you think about that legend?

[Sean Ryan]

Well, first of all, thank you very much for having me.

[Sarah Adams]

You're welcome.

[Sean Ryan]

It's an honor to be here on your show again with Lt. Col. Mann and Ms. Adams. I brought you a gift. It's a Paco from Afghanistan.

[Sarah Adams]

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[Sean Ryan]

You're welcome.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, I have. Since we're on gifts, I have gifts for you guys too. It's probably the only reason you keep coming back.

[Legend]

Well, now that I saw that Palmer ate him during the episode, I'm like, good, I'm just gonna start eating them now. I'm not even gonna bring them home.

[Scott Mann]

We can eat them during the episode.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Scott Mann]

It should be like a pre brief.

[Sean Ryan]

These come in ranch flavor.

[Sarah Adams]

They will work on that. Yeah, I know you love. I'm still addicted to Wrench and one other gift legend. You familiar with the unplugged phone?

[Sean Ryan]

I am, yes.

[Sarah Adams]

Perfect. I gave Sarah one, I've given Scott one. And so that was developed by Eric Prince. I met with their team, lots of veterans, tech people, entrepreneurs, and basically what that is, that say it's a way to get around big tech spying on us, basically stealing our data. And they've put a lot of. A lot of. It's just a great phone. There's. There's a lot of developments that they put into that phone. There's a kill switch so nobody can listen to you. It actually separates the battery from the. From the actual device, so nobody can listen in. Instagram, X, Google, none of those can suck your advertising data out of that phone. And so it's just a. Everybody's worried about big tech censorship. And so I thought you should have one too.

[Sean Ryan]

This is a great gift. Thank you. And I thank Eric Prince as well. I recently met him somewhere in the East Coast. He's a very smart man.

[Sarah Adams]

Great guy.

[Sean Ryan]

Great guy, Great guy, gentleman, and very smart man. But thank you very much.

[Legend]

That Eric Prince line is going to probably start a lot of rumors.

[Sarah Adams]

Good point.

[Scott Mann]

But.

[Sarah Adams]

But what do you think about what I just said about Europe?

[Sean Ryan]

I would like to, if you let me go back to your first question about Syria. I don't follow Syria a lot. Mostly focused on Afghanistan, but it's all connected. And so what I've been hearing is that there are Taliban fighters in Syria, there are Taliban members that supported Al Julani during his takeover of Syria just a few months ago, and that there are Taliban fighters in Syria right now, currently, at the moment. So that is one, two. The Second thing I've heard is that they're killing a lot of religious minorities and many, many Christians. They're being slaughtered on a daily basis. Al Jawlani, I'm not too familiar with him, but I've read some, and based on the intelligence that I've seen from that part of the world, Al Jawani is a terrorist. He was a terrorist. He was a jihadi, and he's still a jihadi. The only thing is he has dropped his turban and worn a suit and a necktie, but he's still a terrorist. And so what is really disturbing is the fact that the U.S. state Department dropped $10 million bounty on his head. And all of a sudden, the Justice Rewards program, State Department website, completely, just the page that showed the bounty on him completely disappeared in a matter of minutes. So he was a terrorist on Monday, Monday evening, he was no longer a terrorist. Now he's a state official and he's traveling everywhere. And under his command, his army is actually slaughtering Christians. They're slaughtering Muslims and other religious minorities in Syria.

[Sarah Adams]

So they aren't just targeting Christians.

[Sean Ryan]

No, they are killing lots of Christians right now. And this is unfortunately something if, unless the US President Trump takes action, this is something that will continue very rapidly. Remember, Al Julani was a member of isis. You saw what ISIS did to Christians, the Christian minority community in Iraq.

[Sarah Adams]

What did they do?

[Sean Ryan]

They slaughtered them, they beheaded them, they executed them. Them dump their bodies in the river. They're doing the same thing in Syria right now.

[Scott Mann]

Levels of horror that were just unimaginable.

[Sarah Adams]

All, like, all the videos we saw, burning them alive, put them in cages, drowning them, putting kids in cages, dropping them in the river, that kind of stuff.

[Sean Ryan]

And they take the women as slaves, as sex slaves. So this is something that President Trump can. This is unfortunately the Jelani's reward, his status as terrorist was removed by Mr. Joe Biden. The last administration, during. That's one of the final things they did. And so now we have a new administration. I wish President Trump reimposes those, relists him as a terrorist, which he is. And so once a jihadi, you're always a jihadi. You don't change overnight. That man is killing Christians. He is killing other religious minorities. And my fear is that this is going to worsen, it's going to increase, especially now that he has Taliban members with them and he's getting support from the leadership of the Taliban.

[Sarah Adams]

What about Europe?

[Sean Ryan]

What about Europe? The immigration, the immigration.

[Sarah Adams]

Look, Sean, what happens if it switches?

[Sean Ryan]

Brother, let me tell you this, I was telling this earlier. If we look at this as, hey, all Muslims are terrorists. You have 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. If they were terrorists, you would see it, you would see the problem. That's not the case. These individuals, they, and I'm not saying at the same time that there is not a terrorism problem in Islam. There is and it's unfortunately true. And it's happening in Muslim countries, are not taking the lead, taking action against it. Why is it that America should be the one to go and fix all of this stuff? Why isn't Saudi Arabia taking action or Qatar or uae? I'll go back to the European stuff, the immigration. Europe has a open border policy. They allow everyone and anyone in. They don't vet and then all of a sudden you see stabbings. I recently saw that some unfortunately an Afghan immigrant stabbed, I think a 4 year old child and his parent and then when the cops arrested him, he was just laughing. You will see that laughter in America, here in our own communities, unless that border is closed, the southern border and unless you start vetting, unless you start paying attention to who you are allowing into this country. Europe opened its borders, all of these migrants came in and now they're dealing with it.

[Sarah Adams]

The other fear too is not just street crime. I mean when I'm talking about our allies and we're talking about a no immigration policy, I mean these are nuclear powers as well and you know, we bat back and forth with Iran. Well, what happens when UK gets, when the UK government gets overturned and it is all Islamic extremists.

[Sean Ryan]

Go ahead, sir.

[Legend]

Well, I think one of the things too we focus on like the immigration coming into a country which we could flip something politically, but it's not the immigration. It's first off corruption in countries. There's a lot of corruption in Europe and what happens with that corruption is people take advantage of it. Obviously the one group that's taking the most advantage of it is the Muslim Brotherhood.

[Scott Mann]

Right.

[Legend]

I mean that's why Switzerland is the number one country in Europe with terrorists in it, especially high level terrorists is because of the Muslim Brotherhood influence. Also Qatar has a lot of influence and money in Europe and they're a big piece of this. Turkey obviously can't seem to choose sides and they do a lot of enabling for different terrorist groups, especially isis. Right. And allow all these terrorists to flow through their borders, they provide them passports, et cetera. So if you don't deal with the Muslim Brotherhood, ban them the influence of Qatar and, and then you allow Turkey to stay in NATO with their actions. And they have a big play in Syria, then. That's the problem, right? They're the ones causing the influence, putting the money into politics and making those shifts. So I think we need to be honest about them because that happens here too. Qatar has a huge influence on our universities, and we saw that kind of play out with so much support of Hamas. Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood. We can't even get the. So the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in multiple countries, right? Like Saudi Arabia, like the Emirates. We can't ban them in the United States because they give so much money to both political parties. Right. That's scary. So we need to deal with kind of the. The heads of the snake here.

[Sarah Adams]

Interesting, interesting.

[Sean Ryan]

Can I add something?

[Sarah Adams]

Absolutely.

[Sean Ryan]

Look. 911 hijackers, right? Those 19 attackers and their supporters entered the U.S. legally. The state Department gave them visas. Nasser Ahmad Tawhidi in Oklahoma who wanted to kill Americans on election day last year. And he was apprehended. He was evacuated from Afghanistan. By who? By the agency. By the U.S. government. The open borders. The U.S. government keeps the southern border open. Or for whatever reason, they kept that border open for four years. And we know for a fact that that jihadists who want to kill Americans in the name of Islam enter the United States. These criminal organizations, these terrorists, they have hijacked Islam and Islamic symbols. They're not Muslim. They want to kill Americans in the name of Islam. And the US Government allows it. They allow these people to enter the country. And in the case of 9 11, like I said, they even gave them visas. Now, look, I am an American Muslim. Muslim. I've been warning the US Government, the resistance that is fighting the terrorists on the ground. For the past four years, they have been warning that these terrorists will attack you again. They're in your communities. The US Government ignores me. The US Government ignores Colonel Mann, Sarah Adams, the resistance, everyone. And then, sadly, God forbid, the next terrorist attack will occur as it did on 9 11. Then what happens? It's the same politicians in D.C. that ignore us now. Well, that will turn around and say all Muslims are terrorists. This is something we need to take care of right away.

[Sarah Adams]

I just. I don't understand. I mean, there's a lot I don't understand. But what. Why. What is this? Just. That's why I'm asking. Do they want us to get attacked so that we can go into another war?

[Scott Mann]

I just don't see that level of coherence at our federal government level. And this is. This is not administration specific. I Just, just based on for example, Sean, what happened with the withdrawal in Afghanistan. You know, that was, I think the National Security Council put out its evacuation memo on the 14th of August. Right. And you know, I have it on good authority that that thing was, was one hell of an afterthought. Like they were scrambling to get that. And this was just, this was like who was to prioritize for evacuation. Kabul fell on the 15th, this thing came out on the 14th. So there's nothing at least that I've seen that tells me that there's like a coherent approach to this, of keeping it going. I think it, from, from my perspective, it's more of a just an inability to, to really. It's hubris. I mean it's arrogance at an, at an institutional level to think that we, we really comprehend and appreciate just the persistence, will and capacity of this threat. You know, I mean, even if you just look at like where we are today is so reminiscent of pre 9 11. You know, I went in, I think I was telling you guys yesterday when we did the briefing, you know, I went into a, I'll just say it, I mean a Carolina Duke game at Chapel Hill this past weekend. You know, to see a lot a storied basketball rivalry, right? 21,000 seat capacity in the Dean Smith Center. Not one metal detector in main primary entry points. The only search that happened was if you had a bag, like if you declared a bag. So there were no metal detectors of a 21,000 seat venue. And I mean anyone I would hope watching or hearing this like sits up at that because that's new, you know, and I, and I gotta believe that's not isolated to Chapel Hill. And that is what I worry about more than anything else else is that humans are just ridiculously short memory, you know, and, and we tend to forget and dismiss and then we tell ourselves narratives that this isn't going to happen. You tell ourselves that the ocean's going to protect us and we just need to focus on things that are at home. But the reality is this one has followed us home.

[Sarah Adams]

Let's move into, we'll get to that. We'll get to what we're seeing and what we can do, you know, at the local community here at the end. But let's do, let's move back into what we're here to talk about today. So you guys have any intel updates since the last time we spoke? I mean, Scott, me and you talk on a pretty, pretty regular basis, but it's been about a month, I think since we've spoken. Sarah, it's been a couple months since you've been here. A legend. It's been several months. And so I'm just. What are the updates that you're seeing out from Afghanistan and these terrorist networks?

[Sean Ryan]

Well, I can go first. Well, the resistance is still fighting the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS is, kp, and the rest of the terrorist organizations that are there. The intelligence networks that America helped build in Afghanistan, they're still operational. I'm not talking about the gdi, the Taliban. I'm talking about the ones that are under the control of the resistance. They're not.

[Sarah Adams]

When you bring up acronyms like the gdi, you have to understand the audience doesn't understand what that is. So the GDI is the Taliban's intelligence service, correct?

[Sean Ryan]

Correct. General Directorate of Intelligence. The head of GDI is Abdul Haq Wasiq, a man who was a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay and America released him and now he's leading Taliban's intelligence. And so there is other intelligence networks operational in Afghanistan. The most active ones are led by President Saleh, Amrullah Saleh. He runs an organization called Afghanistan Green Trend. And there are many other intelligent networks, but by far the ones most reliable intelligence that I've seen comes from agt, which is Afghanistan Green Trend. What I have heard and what I've seen, the documents that I've seen, shows that pertaining to America, that there are over a ,thousand Taliban and ISKP operatives in the United States. And this 1000 are not the individuals that were emboldened after the United States abandoned Afghanistan and withdrew. These are not the individuals in the Afghan American community, in the diaspora, or those we brought in 120,000 that were evacuated. They're not members of those communities who are now sympathetic towards the Taliban. The thousand or so that I mentioned, these are deep cover operatives that report to Sirajuddin Al Qaqani and then the leadership of the Taliban and iskp.

[Sarah Adams]

And where's this intel coming from?

[Sean Ryan]

The anti Taliban resistance.

[Sarah Adams]

Who's running that?

[Sean Ryan]

There are several resistance fronts. You met Commander Ahmed Massoud, the leader of the National Resistance Front. There's also President Amrul Al Saleh, who is leading Afghanistan Green Trend.

[Sarah Adams]

And can you talk about him? That's where I was going with this.

[Sean Ryan]

President Saleh. Yes, of course. Yes. Well, the man needs no introduction, but I'll do my best. He has been fighting in the resistance one way or another since I think he was 15 or 16. From what I've seen, he did liaison, intelligence, liaison work under the leadership of Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, who used to lead. Lead. Who led the resistance against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and then also then against the Taliban and al Qaeda. President Mr. Saleh at that point did liaison work for him. He led intelligence, and then after the United States went into Afghanistan in 2001, he became the head of Afghanistan's intelligence, the National Directorate of Security.

[Sarah Adams]

So that's the Afghan version of the Central Intelligence Agency.

[Sean Ryan]

Correct. America helped build it in Afghanistan. The head of that intelligence unit, NDS was Mr. Saleh. He literally built that NDS in Afghanistan. I don't think there's any American intelligence official that is unfamiliar with Mr. Saleh, and I believe he still is our ally. And so after that, he became the Minister of Interior in Afghanistan. And then after that, he started AGT in 2011, which is Afghanistan Green Trend. Green Trend, which is one of the main political parties in Afghanistan. Grassroots movement had millions of members inside Afghanistan. In, I believe it was 2019, Mr. Saleh won the elections and became the the first vice president of Afghanistan under the Ghani administration. Ashraf Ghani was the president. Mr. Saleh was his vice president. And so in August 15, 2021, when Mr. Ghani, the former president, fled Afghanistan to Dubai and abandoned everything, Mr. Saleh, Vice President Saleh did not flee Afghanistan. He instead went to Peninshare Valley, which was the only province that had not fallen to the Taliban. And he declared the national resistance against the Taliban. And because Mr. Ghani had fled, according to Article 60 and 67 of the Constitution of Afghanistan, Mr. Saleh became the Acting President of Afghanistan. Mr. Saleh. President Saleh. Now, his time in office ended In July of 2024, just a few months ago. Ago. And so he, being a spy, I think spies never quit. And so he went back to his. Just like Sarah Adams doesn't quit. Spies don't quit. He went back to leading intelligence in Afghanistan, and his network is operational in Afghanistan. And I don't think anyone has as much sources under his control as Moshe Saleh in that region.

[Sarah Adams]

So that's where a lot of this info is coming from.

[Sean Ryan]

Correct? He runs. He's correct. Yes, yes.

[Scott Mann]

And I think it's important to note here, too, because a lot of folks, to your question, you know, they. They're watching this, and they're like, okay, well, these are, you know, veterans giving this. Like, why aren't we getting this from the intelligence community? Or why aren't we getting this from the formal institutions? And one thing I'll just give as an example, Legend won't talk about it, but, you know, Mr. Saleh was abandoned. Abandoned. Just like a whole bunch of other Afghan assets were abandoned. On August 15th. We're talking 98 to 99% of the human intelligence assets in Afghanistan that took 20 years to build were left behind. And this is coming from the former CENTCOM commander. Right. What happened was a lot of veterans like Legend who had pre existing relationships found ways to do humanitarian outreach in those moments to fill the gap because no one else is picking up the phone. And also had the foresight as an intelligence guy to say, well, it's probably not a good idea to leave Mr. Saleh, you know, out there on his own. And so over these last several years, you know, Legend has cultivated a relationship, you know, and really done the job, and I just don't know any other way to say it. Right. Done the job of what? Of what a formal intelligence agency would normally do with a massive asset like that. That. So now you've got literally the guy who is regarded as the father of Afghanistan intelligence talking primarily to an Afghan American Army, US army nco. And that's where that primary relationship took place. Now multiply that, Sean, at scale, you have Sarah Adams doing her version of that, me doing my version of that with Afghan special forces and commandos. And that's what's evolved over the last four years, is by the virtue of abandoning 98 to 99% of our intelligence capability and our commandos and our special ops. The veteran community stepped into the breach and took over those relationships for primarily humanitarian reasons. But here we are four years later, and what you have is high veracity intelligence and reporting coming through these channels instead of formal gems.

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[Sarah Adams]

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[Sarah Adams]

To 99% of all intelligence coming from. From Afghanistan.

[Scott Mann]

Human intelligence.

[Sarah Adams]

Human intelligence. So why would we just, why isn't US intelligence agencies, why aren't they keeping in communication with them if this is such a big threat?

[Legend]

They have communication. They are bringing intelligence, but it's from the Taliban. So we lost 98 to 90.9% of our collection, our assets we developed over 20 years. We're now bringing in reporting, but it's from the Taliban. The Taliban is now the source of the US Government and the source of counterterrorism information in Afghanistan.

[Sarah Adams]

So we're now changed the source of the gdi.

[Legend]

Yes. So that's who we get intelligence from. And from Suraj Shuddin, Haqqani.

[Scott Mann]

And there was, you know, there was a political calculus too when we left Afghanistan in 2021 and you saw it happen where the former administration made a conscious decision to not engage members of the resistance. You know, and legend can speak very specifically to that. But there were overt actions by the State Department and others to essentially block or impede or just not conduct any kind of outreach with resistance forces. You know, and so a lot of these high veracity assets that you would normally, that we cultivated for 20 years, they were talking to veterans, they were talking to intelligence alumni, and there was no formal relationship. So, you know, guys like Legend maintained and cultivated this relationship over four years, knowing that at some point, you know, maybe adults come back in the room, we're gonna, we're gonna want those relations, we're gonna need those relationships, we're gonna need those members of the resistance, right? And so I think that's where we are today. We're at like this strategic crossroads where we are looking at a new administration. Our veteran population from the global war on terror, in my assessment, has done an amazing job of recognizing an institutional shortfall and they have kept it going somehow cashing in their pension funds and their kids college accounts to keep these individuals alive. But they've done it. But you know, how much more and how much longer are we going to ask that of these veterans to do that?

[Sean Ryan]

Sean, it's not even only the intelligence that the US Intelligence that deals with the Taliban, even the State Department, like take for example, Ms. Karen Decker, Ambassador Karen Decker, U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan. She was appointed by the previous administration by Mr. Joe Biden. She's still the U.S. ambassador under the Trump administration. Ambassador Karen Decker is literally acting as the unofficial first lady of the Taliban. She's in direct communication with every Taliban governor all over Afghanistan. She has denounced unarmed resistance against the Taliban, against ISKP and Al Qaeda. She has not met with leadership of the resistance. She does not even speak with the resistance. She has denounced the resistance. So diplomatically, we're dealing with the Taliban as well. Not we, these folks, these certain individuals within the US Government are very. I don't know how to say it. They do not want to deal with the resistance. They only want to deal with the Taliban. Whenever the resistance, the anti Taliban resistance, hosts events, political, diplomatic events, conferences, in order to unite the Afghan communities in this war against the Taliban. Whenever they meet up in Vienna or Dushanbe or anywhere else, the State Department under the leadership of Ambassador Karen Decker, dispatches individuals and says to the host countries to not allow it to happen.

[Sarah Adams]

Wow.

[Legend]

Yeah. I mean, even our State Department basically went to the government of Tajikistan, right? The leadership and the heads, the intelligence leadership, and said, don't have relationships with the resistance. So it's going to affect your relationship with the US Government like that's at the level it's at. And we need to be honest. We have Taliban sympathizers in our government. Right. We have them in the State Department. We likely have them in the nsc. We definitely have them in the CIA. Right. This is a problem unless we root them out. It's just like when you had communists in the government, which we still do. Right. When you have these influences in the government, they're the ones making these deals. They're the ones making sure the money keeps going to the Taliban and to the terrorists. And so you're up against those types as well. Well, and it is a lot of money involved in this. There's a, there's corruption involved in supporting terrorism as well.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think Taliban are professionals and technocrats? Do I think they're what, professionals and technocrats.

[Sarah Adams]

They are now?

[Sean Ryan]

Well, Ambassador Thomas west believes Taliban are professionals, insincere and technocrats.

[Legend]

And the crazy part of Thomas west, they've moved into another role in the State Department. But what he's in charge of is sanctions. Right. So we got now a Taliban sympathizer in charge of sanctions. So how often do you think he's sanctioning the Taliban?

[Scott Mann]

So what you're really, you know, if you step back and just look at it, Sean, you think about this, you have, you know, you have a point of view that is an institutional point of view that started to form, I don't know, certainly when Afghanistan collapsed in 2021. This emerging point of view in our government from the previous administration, that, that the Taliban are actually someone we could deal with, someone we could normalize relations with, someone who really offers a better solution, not just in Afghanistan, but, you know, global stability. Right. That, and, and, and then you, you see that because you start to see humanitarian aid money going there, CT dollars going there, you know, all the stuff that you all have talked about. But that, that's just, that's a reflection of an institutional way of thinking, right. Like this is who we're going to deal with now. And then you also saw just the omission of any engagement with any of the commandos and special Forces and others that we had trained for 20 years, who then went to resist completely on their own, not even tacit political support. And so I say all that because that is such a divergent point of view from the veteran population who fought this war for 20 years and who has been on the phone non stop. So you're talking about individuals who, who dealt with this threat up close and personal, who understood it. Who most of us said never again after 9, 11. And we, you know, we. We gave away our. Our youth and our. And our life to. Not life, but our, you know, just everything about our life to fight this.

[Sarah Adams]

A lot of people.

[Scott Mann]

A lot of people did. But. But, you know, the larger point here is that the people that have been on the phone, working this side of it, that have that divergent point of view, they're the ones that fought this war. You know, they're the ones that know this enemy better than anybody and they know what's at stake. Stake. And they know what's coming. You know, that's the part that just baffles me is it would be one thing if this were all, you know, just a bunch of volunteers who jumped into the fray because they're looking for something to do. But these are people who honestly really want to put this behind them. They've moved on with their lives. I know. I feel that way, you know, but they're doing this out of a duty to warn because we've dealt with this enemy for a lot of years. We know what they're capable of. We know they followed us home, and we feel a duty to warn. But it is a divergent point of view, unfortunately, that we have about what the Taliban are about Al Qaeda than the current institutional point of view. And we're hoping that we can bring those together and figure this out. Kind of a private public gathering of comparing notes over the last four years and start to sort this out.

[Sarah Adams]

Sir, do you have any updates?

[Legend]

Well, you know, legend kind of brought up a bit, right. He talked a little bit about Sirajideen Haqqani and iskp. I think what a lot of. Of people don't understand is how Al Qaeda fits into that and why it matters. Right. So Al Qaeda is planning an attack on the US homeland, but who are they using, right, to be involved in that attack? Surajadine Haqqani.

[Scott Mann]

Right.

[Legend]

He's the Minister of interior in Afghanistan. He allows basically the terrorists to come into Afghanistan. His now kind of like cousin runs the refugee services, right. So his name is Hafiza Qani. He was involved in Abbey Gate. He's also involved in the U.S. homeland plot. He's the one that basically takes our humanitarian dollars and gives it to the foreign jihadists, saying they're refugees coming back into the country, etc. So there's a whole pipeline of our money going into these foreign fighters enabled by the Haqqanis. Then we have the whole ISKP problem. Right. So our counterterrorism dollars goes to the Taliban to fight iskp. It's a huge farce. We did a whole last month, we did nine days on Twitter just showing operations the Taliban against iskp, and they weren't right. There is a joint training camp, you know, where we dropped the big. The. The big mother of all bombs. There is a joint training camp there. It's named after Siraj Hadin's father, the Jalaluddin Haqqani Training Center. It has Al Qaeda terrace there, is KP terrace there, and Haqqani network terrorists there. Right? So when we talk about Al Qaeda's homeland plot, they're using the Hakkani to leverage in the plot. They're using ISIS to leverage in the plot. And then, of course, Al Qaeda's leading the plot. Like, think of how dangerous this is when he says there's a thousand just under the bucket of ISKP and the Haqqanis, right? Then we talk about all the groups Al Qaeda is aligned with. How many of those are in the country? Because Al Qaeda is saying that's another thousand. Right? So these numbers start to get really big when you bring all these groups under one umbrella to fight a common enemy. Enemy us. Right. We impacted them. We impacted them in Afghanistan, we impacted them in Iraq, and we impacted them in Syria, which is kind of the most recent open wound. Right. And so they want our war fighters who did that in those countries to feel it here. They want you to feel it in your neighborhood, at your home. They don't want you to feel safe where you live now. And that's something we really need to understand and listen to. Right. Because I do think, as Scott said, Israel had a little hubris, Right. There were reports going in. Israel got information. I, I saw some of the stuff passed to Israel about the Hamas guys training in Afghanistan. And, you know, they did have some belief something's going to happen. They never thought it was going to be the scale it was. Now the US Government's getting the same type of information. Israel's getting probably a lot more. And they're now like, oh, that's not going to happen here on this at that level. Right. We're not going to see that happen here. And that's very, very dangerous, especially when we're talking about just the numbers that came in ille. But remember, our State Department has been issuing passports and visas to Haqqani network guys. Plenty of former CIA officers have provided tips to the government over the last four years. They haven't picked them up. They live in our communities. They know Haqqanis are here. Right. So that's not just the terrorists who came here under fake IDs and are undercover. Right. So to understand just how many are in our country is really scary. And yes, we're starting to close the border, but we now need to go back back and revet everybody we went in in the last four years. And I've heard no discussions about that happening yet. But like that needs to happen.

[Sarah Adams]

And I, I who revet who we gave passports and visas to or revet.

[Legend]

Everybody that crossed the border and crossed the border especially.

[Sarah Adams]

I think, I think we're kind of doing that. Isn't Tom holman doing that?

[Legend]

14 million people. So we're not doing it. And what I was saying to an intel agency just a week ago, I said, we need to be running against this threat. Like this needs to be fast forward the toughest thing we ever did. We need to basically take almost like it's a crisis, right? And you know, you take a bunch of people and you throw them at the hurricane to help, right? We need to pull in. I don't care if it's retired people. We need to put 10,000 people revetting all these. I'm serious. Like we're at that point, we let too many people in this country that we don't even know who's here. Like we're not picking up and deploying fast enough. And Trump says that himself, like he understands, right. The magnitude of when you're talking 14 million. But I don't think people are understanding there's a chunk in that that are the terrorists. And we have to go just as fast at the terrorists as we're doing against Venezuelan gangs. Like this is super important.

[Sarah Adams]

I mean, it seemed, I mean, it seems like Homan, Border patrol, I all seem to be very busy to me. So you don't, but you don't think they're moving fast enough. I mean, how, how would they move faster? It's only been what?

[Legend]

Well, they're moving fast enough, right? On like Venezuelan gangs. But who's doing the vetting to identify the terrorists, right? That's not Tom Homan's job, Right. He needs that from the intelligence community. Like, you know, that FBI needs to be stepping up and doing that. DHS needs to be playing a role. Right? Like we need to see honestly, probably some sort of task force come together to do, do that.

[Scott Mann]

You know.

[Sean Ryan]

I got a question. Let's say the secretary, right? O ICE Homeland Security, they Arrest. They stay, they, they locate this one individual, say he's Afghan and they suspect he's a terrorist. Who did they corroborate that information with? They call the Taliban and say, hey, do you know Mr. Abdullah that is here? And if that person is one of those deep cover Taliban operatives or is KP operatives, do you think the Taliban will admit to it?

[Legend]

No, they'll say, we have no record on him.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah, I think the thing that has to be walked back to, and this is the part that really is contentious and I think we gotta, we gotta do something, is that there is such a difference between what the government says the terror problem looks like and what frankly members of the global war on terror community say it looks like after having been on the phone for four years with these individuals. But what I will tell is like for example, in my only thing that I would just add to what they've said on the intel front is, you know, I've, I have the opportunity to run the seams with these different, you know, on signal and these different groups and, and just listen, you know, and that's what I try to do. I try to just listen. I'm not an intel analyst, I'm not a targeter, but I am pretty good at relationships and just listening. And what I am hearing consistently across multiple groups is a thousand. I'm hearing the number a thousand a lot. Lot. And it's, and it's coming up in different, I mean, radically different verticals. There's no way, there's no way, you know, and so that really, that, that really concerns me a lot, that that number is, is, is popping up, you know, all of the time, you know, conversationally. And then the other thing that really bothers me is that no one is engaging any elements at all of the resistance. Just on the intel side. I mean, when they've made clear and overt offerings to help with that and to just to give a competing perspective. Zero. And so that, to corroborate what Sarah's saying in that front at least there is no competing threat picture.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, let me ask you this. I mean, we used to, did we just lose all the information? I mean we used to have the hide cameras, you know, that would, that would scan the retina and then there would be. Why are you laughing?

[Legend]

Well, we left the hide behind. So Taliban has the hide systems.

[Sarah Adams]

Do we still have access to that system at all?

[Legend]

We have the old data of the system, so we have access.

[Sarah Adams]

We do have something to bounce it.

[Legend]

Off of, well, some files from it. We have some, but we don't have the full set. I don't want to say what's missing because I don't want the towel band to know, but we don't have 100%.

[Sean Ryan]

But there are new terrorists emerging.

[Sarah Adams]

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying do we have any database to bounce when they pick somebody up? Do we have any data to bounce that off of?

[Legend]

Yes, but it's not complete. Even dated isn't complete.

[Sean Ryan]

Here's another problem that, I mean, we have this terrorism problem. The ones that are already in the United States and the ones that the administration is arresting and deporting right now, we have that. At the same time, no one is discussing the fact that there are new ones coming to Europe, to America. I mean, Sjuddin Haqqani, he needs no introduction. He's a wanted terrorist. He's the man issuing passports, Afghan passports and travel documents. 7 million Afghan passports were printed in Europe after 2021 and shipped to Afghanistan.

[Sarah Adams]

7 million.

[Sean Ryan]

7 million. With the permission granted by the United States State Department. We are still giving. They're probably going to print a million more passports this year. More than a million. The permission to whether print or not, comes from the United States State Department. They're granting permissions. We all know where the passports go to Israjuddini. Because Afghanistan cannot produce its own passport booklets, just like it cannot produce its own currency.

[Scott Mann]

This was the father of suicide bombs, bombing in Afghanistan.

[Sean Ryan]

Yes. Killed over a thousand American service members in Afghanistan. You know, still wanted by the FBI in the State Department. In fact, I don't think the State Department because Ambassador Karen Decker was on recently on a T on a episode news cover, Afghan news show AMU tv. My friend Sami Mahdi, he asked her, he said, isla terrorist is the State Department still looking for him? She says she cannot answer these questions. She refuses to call Haqqani a wanted terrorist.

[Sarah Adams]

Wow.

[Legend]

And the worst part is, right, they're issuing these passports to terrorists. And that's not just words. I have seen Algerians faces on Afghan passports. I've obviously seen Libyan faces on Afghan passports, Iranians, Syrian faces on Afghan passports. We're also not treating these passports as compromised, which is insane, Right? So they don't even act like the Afghan passport's compromised, even though any terrorist can travel to Afghanistan and get their name changed and their face put on one of these passports.

[Scott Mann]

When we were in Vienna and we interviewed Massoud, right, You know, one of the things that he said both on and off camera was to really really pay attention to surrogate to really pay attention to. You said, you know, al Qaeda and the Taliban have learned a lot. They are not going to allow themselves to be at the forefront. And then he even said ISIS is more than happy to do that. You know, he said this back in June. I've had conversations. Solly has said the same thing. I mean, very, very well placed individuals who are cautioning us about this role of surrogates and that what you see is not exactly what you get. And this is these, these warnings are coming from the same people who warned us pre 9, 11, you know, and we ignored it. You know, we ignored it and we look at the strategic surprise and how our world changed. And I think that's what, at least for me, that's, that's where I'm coming from. I mean, you know, honest to God, I don't, I don't even maintain a clearance anymore. You know, I don't. I left the military in 2013. I retired and was happy to do so. Had a good run and you know, pursuing other things. But a whole bunch of veterans have been drawn back into this thing. And the stuff that we're talking about is not even on the high side security stock. It's not, it is not even in, as Sarah said, it's not in the IC channels. These are conversations that are happening in real time between veterans and abandoned assets that for the best I can tell, this has not been consolidated with the intelligence community in a meaningful way since the abandonment. And so if we don't do that, how in the world are we going to actually have any kind of a responsible threat picture on what's coming our way? And how can we say with certainty that we do? That's my point, you know, because until that wrecked that reckoning happens, you've got literally two different worlds here.

[Legend]

Yeah. And there's one other piece a lot of people don't talk about. It's the fact that the US government, let's say if it's a CIA, the State Department, doesn't really matter. That official relationship is with the Taliban. Right. So if you're a volunteer and you're talking to a former CIA source and he's giving you valid information, you're trying to pass that to the U.S. government. They want his identity to then give to the Taliban. Right. He ends up dead. So there isn't even a safe way for our former sources to get information to the US Government due to the compromised relationship with the Taliban, particularly with Surajedin Haqqani.

[Sean Ryan]

Let's say that. I don't. I don't believe this, but let's assume for a second that the Taliban will be. Will remain a proxy of the United States and the United States will continue to work with them. Well, as the sole superpower of the world, shouldn't the United States government have a plan B and plan C collect from multiple sources, forces, you know, the resistance is that alternative. And knowing the leadership of multiple resistance fronts, I can tell you that there is zero connections. They're not communicating.

[Sarah Adams]

Where are we with the funding? You're the one that broke 40 million a week. Then we brought on Sarah that said 40 to 87 million a week.

[Legend]

Right. But we actually did, like the third week of January, we did a really good deep dive, dive into the money coming in that week. And that week, the third week of January was 105 million US dollars.

[Sarah Adams]

Wow.

[Legend]

That week. So. So I even think saying 87 is low at this point, and that doesn't count the money we also ship to Qatar because, remember, we also fund the Taliban's office in doha, and that's 10 million more a month. So. So even the money we talk about that comes on the airplane is not all of it. And that's another thing a government needs to be honest about. There are a lot of pockets of money going to the Taliban.

[Sarah Adams]

Wow. I mean, we really started a conversation here with the three of you guys about that. Tim Burchett got involved. Eli Crane got involved. Marjorie Taylor Greene was at the last press conference, from what I understand. I talked to Tim Sheehy, the senator out of Montana. He's aware of it. He was introducing it into the Senate. What's the headway on this?

[Sean Ryan]

Well, first of all, thank you very much for taking that initiative. I'm telling you, Sean, without you and your supporters who made calls and wrote letters to Congress, we would not have had this much movement. This would not have gotten anywhere because initially they denied sending money to the Taliban and they attacked us. They said we were lying. And then this continued all the way until the secretary, the former secretary of state, Mr. Blinken, was testifying and he finally admitted that, yes, we gave a few million dollars to the Taliban. Right. And then anyways, the.

[Sarah Adams]

I mean, it's been everywhere. I mean, everybody's aware of it.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, at this point, there is no denying it. There's no denying it. Everyone admits, even President Trump said that, yes, the money does end up going to the Taliban and is going to the Taliban.

[Sarah Adams]

I brought it up in his interview.

[Sean Ryan]

Yes, you did.

[Legend]

And Elon Musk has now repeated it too. So, I mean. And that's all came out of this show.

[Sean Ryan]

I have so much to thank you for. And officially, on behalf of the entire resistance, on behalf of President Saleh, Commander Masoud, let me thank you once again for taking that cause. It means a lot. It's very troubling that US Taxpayer money goes to the very individuals who killed not only Afghans, but American soldiers as well. The bill is HR260. No tax dollars for Terrorist Act. Congressman Tim Burchett, we could not have done this without him. He's an amazing human being. He's become a very good friend. I have to say this as well. His entire office have been professional and very helpful, whether it be his district office In Knoxville or D.C. office, John Kelsey Pruitt, everyone was super helpful, helpful in this legislation. It is waiting for the speaker of the House to put it on the House floor so members of Congress could vote on it. For some reason, it's being delayed and I don't know why. No one knows why. The bill is ready. It's a great bill. It covers not only the fact that the money is going to the Taliban. I'll add another thing. Do you remember when Secretary Blinken was testifying and Congressman Tim Burchett asked him, you're giving money to the Taliban? He said, oh, no, we're not giving money to the Taliban. We're giving money to the NGOs. Well, he wasn't lying, but at the same time, he wasn't being truthful. He did not say that those NGOs are all Taliban fronts, that they give aid, they distribute. And that's a whole different story. Congressman Tim Burch's bill, this new bill that he has introduced, no Tax Dollars for Terrorist Act. It includes the NGOs. It includes the Afghan fund that is being managed by Afghan Americans who are pro Taliban and Taliban supporters. And it covers the 40 million. We need this bill to pass. All Speaker Johnson has to do is call for. Put it up for a vote on the House floor so members could vote on. On it.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, I mean, I talked to Tim a couple of weeks ago, and he said that the holdup seemed to be and that Mike Johnson was on board with this is that they didn't want to attach anything else to the bill so that to give somebody a reason to vote against it. Because Tim and said, we have to get this bill in as a single bill without all the other stuff attached to it so that he nor anybody who's against this has to Vote against the bill, then rewrite it up and bring it out again. And he had told me that Mike Johnson seemed to be on board with that, and that was maybe kind of the holdup, is that they need to introduce it as a single bill so that everybody can vote against it and they can hold people accountable that don't vote against it and get it out there without giving them the excuse of, oh, well, this other thing that was attached to the bill, we're not for that, so we had to vote against it, otherwise this other thing would have happened.

[Sean Ryan]

The bill is ready. It's a very good bill. And Senator Tim Sheehy also introduced a carbon copy of this bill at the Senate. So both bills are ready. It's just waiting for Senator John Thune and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson to put it up for a vote. And I hope this do.

[Sarah Adams]

Is that. That's the latest.

[Sean Ryan]

That's the latest.

[Sarah Adams]

That's the latest.

[Sean Ryan]

But a lot of members of Congress supported it. Congressman Eli Crane was very helpful. I was in D.C. with him not too long ago. He was very helpful. Chairwoman Marjorie Taylor Greene was very helpful. Anna Paulina Luna was helpful and a few others. But once again, I want to thank you and Congressman Tim Burches for this initiative. Initiative.

[Legend]

Bring it for a vote. Hashtag it.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah. Let's take a quick break. When we get back, let's talk about, you know, what communities can do. It's obviously, it's at the top level. We've done, in my opinion, we've done everything we can do to get it at the top level. It is all the way to the top. It's in every agency. It's an ev. It's everywhere. Everybody's aware. And so it's kind of, you know, it's out of our hands. You know, we've done everything we can do. Unless you guys have something that I'm not thinking of.

[Scott Mann]

I mean, there's members of the administration that have reached out, wanting our perspective, and I mean, I find that encouraging, and I think there'll be an opportunity to do that, and then we'll see what happens.

[Legend]

Yeah. But really, you know, at least the last month or two, my main focus has been helping communities. Right. That's why we're here also briefing your community because. Because it's more than a duty to warn. Right. We want to get Americans prepared. If nothing comes down from the federal government, we don't care as long as you are aware and, you know, and you're preparing your community. That's what we need to be doing right now.

[Scott Mann]

It's like a duty to warn up and a duty to prepare down.

[Legend]

Yep. So we're on the prepare piece.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah.

[Sarah Adams]

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[Sarah Adams]

All right, we're back from the break. We're just talking about the funding. Is it stopping? Where's it at? What are they using this funding for?

[Sean Ryan]

A lot of things. Well, let me first tell you how the Taliban profits from this money. Filame. The money basically goes from the US cash, $40 million a week to Suleimaniya and Iraq. Cash is loaded on charter planes and it arrives at Kabul International Airport. Airport which is under the control of Sarajuddin Haqqani. From there a convoy arranged by haqqani takes the $40 million, takes it to the Afghanistan International bank which is not a Taliban bank, it's just a normal bank. But they don't have the authorization to convert the US dollars to Afghanis. So what AIB Afghanistan International bank does is they give the money to the Taliban controlled Central bank of Afghanistan which is like our Federal Reserve. The Central bank of Afghanistan is currently managed and run by Noor Ahmad Al, a sanctioned terrorist who was sanctioned by the United States for financing bomb attacks against American soldiers which killed many American soldiers. He's still sanctioned and he gets $40 million. At this point he has monopoly over Afghanistan's the money market rates. And so during the conversion he invites members that are Companies that are affiliated with the Aqani Network and senior leadership of the Taliban money exchangers. And they come and they all bid on who wants to buy each dollar and for how much. And so the winners every week are individuals associated, associated with the Haqqani Network. And because they control the money market, they basically take a cut right there. And then the Afghanis are given back to the Afghanistan International bank, which then deposits the money into the bank accounts of these NGOs. Now there are about 2,500 or so Afghan NGOs and about 300 international NGOs including American NGOs. Now now these Afghan ones, every last one of them, their licenses and permits to operate were given to them by the Taliban. And I've said this to you previously, if you go and you open an NGO in Afghanistan, the Taliban will not give you a license because you're anti Taliban. So all of those NGOs are pro Taliban, they're sympathetic towards the Taliban and they get their licenses. Now at this point, these NGOs they have to order goods and services, right? So what they do is they, let's say 50% of the material that they need comes from abroad and 50% they purchase from Afghanistan. Rice, wheat, flour, oil, medicine. They can only purchase from a pre approved a list of vendors that are giving to these NGOs by the Taliban. So the NGOs cannot buy from, from Molashan Ryan's Afghan store. They can only buy from that particular store that is operated by the Taliban. Now the other rest of the materials that they need usually comes from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Dubai. But you cannot buy those in Afghanis, you can only buy those in dollars. So these NGOs they reconvert the money through the Afghan to the Central bank of Afghanistan. And during the second conversion the Taliban taken out another cut. Then the money is deposited to move to uae, to Dubai. The bank that moves this money is called Azizi Bank. It's not even a bank, it's a Ponzi scheme. It's a bank that is managed by the Taliban. Money arrives in Dubai and then these NGOs order bulk, like several tons of rice and wheat and medicine, medical equipment, and they transfer those materials in bulk to Kabul International Airport. The company that brings these for these NGOs is Habib Yar Group. Habib Yar Group is owned partially by the brother of the current foreign minister of Taliban. And so he takes a cut, he charges for his services. The moment this material, the aid lands at Kabul International Airport, the Taliban charge customs and taxes and fees. Right. So that's where they take another cut. And then the aid arrives at the offices of the NGOs, which then they distribute. Now, who did they distribute the aid to? To a list of hungry and poor Afghans provided to the NGOs by the Taliban. Taliban. So the list will have five poor and hungry Afghans and then it will have 95 Taliban fighters. Families of suicide bombers receive aid. This is all from US Tax dollars.

[Sarah Adams]

I'm just curious, is this, is this coming through U.S. aid?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes. Yes.

[Sarah Adams]

So is it a matter? I mean, we've seen Doge, which is pretty much dismantling usaid and they're uncovering all these things, you know, spreading the LBGTQ agendas, the Sesame street stuff. I mean, it's just ridiculous thing. Ridiculous thing. Probably some type of affront or code name or whatever you want to call it, but I mean, is it just a matter of time before they reach this, before Doge reaches this?

[Sean Ryan]

You will see a lot of stuff coming out about this and related to Afghanistan and usaid. Sean, seeing province which does not have a lot of Taliban support historically, USAID would go and distribute the aid. You will see the logo of USAID all over. And Mr. Saleh exposed this, his intelligence exposed this. So these NGOs affiliated with USAID, they would distribute the aid to the people there alongside the leader of the Taliban, one of the commanders for the Lok. For Bamiyan Province. Province. And they would distribute the aid not in the name of the generosity of the American people or in the name of Joe Biden. They would distribute the aid in honor of Mullah Hay Batullah. And the Taliban in Pine Sheer, they're still doing that. And Panjshir Province, which as you know, has zero Taliban, they are pro resistance. They're sympathetic towards the resistance. What the Taliban does is they go with this NGO called ansar, which operates in Panjshir Province and Andarab Province and Valley. They will go to this house and you. There's a lineup of Afghans and widows and they have envelopes with $200 cash per family, per poor family. And they will tell them, hey, Mr. Panshiri, during the days of the Republic, did those infidel republics that were puppets of America, did they ever come and give you you aid? You know, unlike them. See, the leader of the Taliban loves you so much. He's giving you aid. He's sending you money. The US Aid. US cash in Afghanistan is distributed in honor of Mullahi Batullah, not in the name of the generosity of the American people. Even US aid packages that go to Afghanistan, the US flag is missing from. From it. See in, in Latin America, in Africa and elsewhere around the world, when US aid is distributed aid packages, there's always an American flag with a message from the American people. Not in Taliban controlled Afghanistan. They do not want people to know that this aid comes from the American people. They say this aid comes from Mullahi Batullah.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, I think what I'm kind of alluding to here is maybe if we get Doji's attention attention, then they focus on this.

[Legend]

Well, not exactly, because. So even if you dismantle usaid, they move key programs then to the State Department and it's managed and run by the State Department. So unless the State Department is told to stop funding the Taliban, that money will not stop. Doge will not stop that money because now it's under the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio. And again, that's to take congressional action. Doji's not going to stop this money. We're talking about how do they stop.

[Sarah Adams]

The other stuff then?

[Legend]

The other stuff is more, more like small grants and stuff.

[Sarah Adams]

I don't know if it's small.

[Legend]

Well, no, but I know, but I'm like, this is a systematic deal set into place that Congress has to demand and that's why Burt's doing it. Congress has to stop this money.

[Sarah Adams]

Okay.

[Legend]

Period. I mean, you know, maybe they'll stop. There's, there's a few little projects. USAID has this hemp project in Afghanistan stand stopping, that'll be great. And hopefully Doge finds that one. Etc, but it's not gonna curb this. And then, you know, then we have the counterterrorism dollars, which I'll explain when he finishes the humanitarian dollars because that's a whole nother pocket.

[Sarah Adams]

Gotcha.

[Sean Ryan]

And they were sending money. USAID was sending money to Afghanistan to teach women. I mean, I think they paid 60 million to teach Afghan women farming. The Taliban don't even allow Afghan women to leave their homes.

[Legend]

That was the department defense said to the 60 million.

[Sean Ryan]

That wasn't even USAID under Operation Sentinel.

[Legend]

So you. The Department of Fence is also giving the Taliban money that nobody discusses. But like he said, last year they said they gave 60 million for women's education when women can't go to school.

[Sean Ryan]

They gave 11 million for the Taliban to register their broken arms.

[Legend]

So we don't just have a problem with usaid. We don't just have a problem with State Department. We have a problem with the money. The Department of Defense is giving to the Taliban. We have the problem of money CIA is giving to the Taliban. And we have to be honest about all these pockets of money, because you can't stop them if you don't discuss all of them.

[Sean Ryan]

As we say, Sean, this particular. This has to be an act of Congress. This has to be no tax dollars for terrorist act, which I once again call on His Excellency Speaker Mike Johnson to put it up for a vote. Let members vote on it. This needs to stop.

[Sarah Adams]

Okay?

[Legend]

Now, when we take it a step further, like I told you, some of the humanitarian dollars goes to these foreign fighters, but the counterterrorism dollars come in as U.S. cash. And they go all over the place. And we've discussed it before, but they go into a number of these plots to include the homeland plot. And then they do shady stuff like legend said, they bring it to the Azizi bank, and there's a lot of money laundering to support the plot in the United States. But the money also goes to other plots, plots against Americans, just not in the United States. So some of them go. They have multiple embassy plots that we've talked about previously. So they'll take physical US Dollars, cash from Afghanistan, bring it to Africa. So they're funding two plots right now with US Dollars against US Embassies in Africa. It's against our US Embassy in Bamako in Mali. And then the biggest concern right now is the some plotting against the US Embassy and our personnel in Mogadishu, Somalia, because that's one of the next pushes of the caliphate plan, is to push the US Government out of Somalia. And Somalia fall to Al Shabaab or isis. But it's really part of Al Qaeda's caliphate plan, just like Syria was. So we are actually funding, with these dollars we send to fight ISIS plots against us in Africa, of all places besides here in the homeland. I mean, it's insane that, that we're funding these incidents that are going to kill Americans, because think of how that's going to come back, right? We have some Americans die, let's say Mogadishu. We have a bombing go off in Virginia. And then when you track the money down, the money came from the US Government. Think of how Americans are going to handle this. And that's what the terrorists want. They want you to blame your government. And that's why Congress needs to act immediately, because they're complicit. Every day they allow it, they're going to be complicit.

[Sarah Adams]

Scott, I want to go into. I want to go into communities. What can communities do? But before, right before we get there, I know you and Sarah have been working on this book, the Gathering Storm, to warn local communities, to kind of give them some insight on what's coming and what they can do at the local level. But it sounds like some of the other stuff that you guys covered in that book is dissecting some of the other acts of terrorism that we've seen throughout the globe. Mumbai, The Russian Mall, October 7. When you dissected those with your counterparts, what are some of the commonalities and some of the things that you found?

[Scott Mann]

Well, you know, it started when you and I were talking about, I think, I don't know, you asked a question about, okay, so what do communities do? And that, you know, we, we, you and I went back and forth on it a little bit. But what it really opened up was a really broad conversation that's still ongoing where individuals and communities. I know they started hitting you up, they started hitting me up, they started hitting Sarah up. What do we do in our community? How do we defend our synagogue or our church or our place of worship? Is this something we should be thinking about? And we talked about it and just the way I look at it is we're kind of, I believe we're at a crossroads right now. You know, when we think about everything that we talked about here today, you look at the threat picture that the government has on terrorism, you look at what the global war on terror veterans are saying, and it's different. And we're at a crossroads. And you either believe, believe at this point that there is a viable threat against the homeland. That is complex, local, distributed. Looks more like October 7th than it does 9, 11. That is very likely in the next year or two. Or you don't, you know, and if you don't, okay, like Godspeed. But if you do, where we were, okay, then perhaps in addition to the analysis, we should start until we do bring this together with our government, which we've really got to have that, that private public relations relationship on an unprecedented scale. What could we, you know, what if it's a duty to warn up? You know, maybe it's a duty to prepare down and in. And how could we help that conversation? So we started looking at what if we just self published a book that really just looked at not just the threat analysis, but scenarios that have happened in the past of where we get hit or other places get hit where they live, live, work and play. And so we put together this small book and you know, borrowing from Winston Churchill, when he tried to warn of the gathering storm in World War II. That's what we, we named this project the Gathering Storm. And we just looked at. And so from, you know, for my part in it and a couple other contributors, we looked at case studies. So a lot like how US Army Special Ops Command and others do case studies and they'll, they'll take, they'll migrate those practical lessons learned into operators mocks, modern times. That's what we did. And we just looked at unclassified. We looked at the DC sniper, we looked at the Bedland school siege with the, with the Chechens where they, they moved children over a thousand into a gymnasium and threw explosives up on the basketball goals and held terrain and held the Russian special ops at bay. We looked at Mumbai, which is a very compelling version of what Sarah and others have warned about in 2008, where, you know, roughly 10, no, it was 10. Terror. Locked down a city of 19 million doing complex attacks, holding terrain, killing well over a hundred people. And it was almost a foreshadowing of what we think we could expect here in the homeland. And we just, and we. October 7th New Orleans. So we looked at all these and what we did was we started to pull out a lot of the commonalities that individuals and communities should be thinking about. And I'll kind of throw it back to you then we can, you know, we can go deeper on any of those things that you want because there were a lot of lessons learned I think that are super helpful. But one of the things that we came out of it with, Sean, that surprised me was one, the relative ease of finding people who were on the ground or who responded to those events. I mean even Mumbai, October 7, just doing peer to peer discussions on lessons learned was super eye opening. And I think something that's available to law enforcement, emergency operations have across the country, that's number one. And number two, I think the thing that surprised me was we came up with a lot more questions than we did answers. And just like yesterday when we were talking to the sheriff's department in your county, it's different in every county. It's different in every municipality because context is everything. But if these attacks are going to be locally manifested, then that's where the conversations need to start because that's going to be the real resilience in that. So, so we came away with a lot of questions and where we didn't have the answers, we just put the questions in there. You know, here's what communities should be asking Themselves and hopefully more books will be written that are, you know, technically specific on those questions. And we just keep it going. So that's the project, and happy to jump into any parts about it because, like I said, between the intel contributors and the operators, that a lot of good stuff came out of it. A lot of lessons.

[Sarah Adams]

What are some of the top lessons? Without dissecting all of it, what are some of the top lessons?

[Scott Mann]

You know, I. I would say probably at an individual level, the first thing is, you know, to. To do your own research, to not let fear dominate, but to question things. You know, to question what we're saying, you know, to look at a lot of these case studies, to look at a lot of the examples on your own. I think that for you and your family, this is not just terrorism. This is any crisis. But for. Certainly for terrorism, I think you should look at. You should look at the threat itself, and then you should look at scenarios that have been similar to that. And between those two things, you can derive a lot of insights on kind of what you should be doing. You know, a lot. Some of the preparation things that came out of it were thinking about how would these scenarios unfold? Like, look at your daily pattern of life. You know, what are the local cafes that you go to? Where is your local movie theater? Where's your daycare? Where do your kids go to school? What are the gatherings that you typically go to throughout the year? Do you go to a lot of concerts? Do you go to ball games? And I think starting to just look at those with intention and starting to ask yourself hard questions about. Okay, if I looked at, for example, you know, the Nova Music Festival, I look at the Crocus City Music hall, where I. What are things that I can derive from that, that I could look at the places that I go to in my. Is there actually a security plan here? If not, who should I be talking to about this? Can we get the community together to talk about this? Should I go engage local law enforcement and call a community meeting? So I think my big takeaway for individuals is look at the scenarios that have already happened, you know, because that takes the fear away, I think, and really puts agency back in ourselves to just look pragmatically at things that have happened in the past.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, you know, thank you guys for the briefing yesterday. I mean, we went to my local sheriff. Very receptive. I was really happy with how that went. I want to do everything I can to protect the community that I live in and all the kids and the people who live Here. And, you know, they seem very receptive. There was my county's police or my city's police department department, the county Sheriff's office, neighboring PDs. And then we even had quite a different federal agencies and state agencies in there. Department of Higher Education was in there. And, you know, I think, you know, back to you, what are the questions? I mean, that's, I think that's how you start the discussion is you come up. At least that's how we did it. Special operations, 100%. You have to put yourself in the terrorist mindset of how would, how would they do this? If I was, if I wanted to strike terror, hit multiple targets, kill as many people as possible, how would I do it? Yeah, and so what, what are some of the questions that communities should be asking?

[Scott Mann]

Right. So here's a couple, you know, and again, what I found to be extremely useful was bringing in, you know, just in, in Special Forces. And I know you guys did this in the teams as well. So before you go down range, and this is both post and pre 9 11, but before you go down range, you would usually go over and meet with, you know, the team or the platoon that just got back. You sit down with them. You know, our engineer sergeant would sit with the engineer sergeant, I would sit with the detachment commander. The intel guys would sit, sit together. They would do, you know, one on one debriefs of what they saw. And the incoming guys would take that, take notes. And then we do kind of a collective thing. And it just was what you did. But I think you can migrate that same thing. You can bring in, for example, Doron Kadar, an Israeli special forces NCO from the IDF is traveling around the US right now talking to churches about his lessons Learned from responding. October 7th, he was at the Nova Museum Music festival. He went into those neighborhoods that were slaughtered. And so he can give you really, really insights into. If you subscribe to the notion that that could happen here and is somewhat imminent, then he can tell you the things that he saw, then you derive questions such as, how would we handle in this county an incident where groups of 8 to 10, well trained terror operatives donned first responder units uniforms? How would we handle that as a community? How would we communicate that to a community? How would first responders actually talk to themselves on the fact that that was happening? And is there a way that they could overcome that with a different uniform or something like. I don't know the answer, but that is a legitimate question. Right. Another question that came up a lot That I think is really powerful is how would, how would our community to respond if the terror attack happened in such a way that there was complete paralysis across all first responders. If you had systemic paralysis for. In all of my case study interviews, you had systemic paralysis for at least 24 to 48 hours where there was no real response. So how.

[Eric Prince]

Why was that?

[Scott Mann]

Well, because they were just overwhelmed. You know, in some cases, they were targeted in October 7th. First responders, they ran right, right at them and they took them out. And so they, they were not. And then you had reinforcements coming. There was so much confusion. Plus you had the terror groups actually in first responder uniforms. Right. So it was just complete chaos. And so it. And then some areas were cut off where they held terrain. You know, like in Mumbai, they held terrain in Bedlam school, they put basketball goals with explosives on them. And the children in the middle, how are you going to assault that? So these are the things that, just by looking at the scenarios, it's just, you know what it is, it's so hard to look at in my assessment. I mean, I was sitting across from this special forces soldier who responded to October 7th, and he could barely form a coherent sentence, he was so upset. And this is a guy that's been operating for decades, you know, and he couldn't even speak because of what he'd seen. It's so hard to look at. But honestly, I don't know how we, we can avoid that, you know, and, but if we can, we can start to derive some really, really poignant questions. And we put a ton of them in the book. But, but those are some of the ones that, that came up.

[Legend]

Yeah. And some other really interesting points is, right, we, we know, at least from the training in Afghanistan what pieces of it'll look like, right? So there's one piece kind of also pull from Mumbai is the, the, the idea of these, like, attack attackers who fight to the death. Right? Because it's not like in Israel you'll go and do an attack, you can grab, like, kidnap someone and leave and go back into Gaza. When they come in the United States, they're here to do the attack and they're here to die. Right. There's no exit plan. Right. So now we need to talk to law enforcement, like, what's it like to fight someone who wants to fight to the death? And how do we learn that? Okay, we go into our community, we talk to people who fought in Ramadi and Fallujah, bring them in, have them talk, be consultants, advisors, tell us what it was like to fight that enemy. We can do that. Another really big piece is suicide bombers, right? That they plan to do suicide bombings here. Well, what do we need to learn about suicide bombings? Because we don't have suicide bombings in our community. Even simple things. What kind of standoffs should we just have from a metal detector? We should start those standoffs now, right? Because then if the bomber gets freaked out, blows up, you save lives just by putting a standoff going up to the metal detector. So if we start understanding these things, we can put little things in place that do save lives.

[Scott Mann]

And I interviewed several intelligence analysts from the idf. And I just asked him, you know, at the end, I said, what would you say to American analysts, law enforcement? And four separate ones that I interviewed, they all. First of all, they sat there for, like, an uncomfortable period of time. Like, you could tell they were wanting to say something, and then finally they were just, like, fucking going to say it. And what they said was, essentially, we live this every day. Like, we live this in. In our communities. We're always facing this imminent threat. It's something that we're, you know, we've kind of come to terms with. And we were completely caught off guard. Like, we were not ready for this. We were not ready for what came our way. And they come up, they came across, you know, got, you know, they came across the border, and then they went back back. They said to me, you all have not even allowed yourself to even think about this. They have been among you for four years. It is going to be 10x what they did to us on October 7th. To the man and the woman, they said that. And they all were separate interviews.

[Sarah Adams]

Wow.

[Legend]

And when Al Qaeda planned this, remember the Hamas attacks, they were involved in planning. They planned the US homeland attack to be 10 times the size of the Hamas. Hamas attacks. To them, the Hamas attacks was the dress rehearsal. So we have to remember the attack on us is going to be a lot larger.

[Scott Mann]

And again, I mean, I hope I'm wrong. I really do, but it's just all of the different points. It's. It's the different points of interviews that I've conducted, including with these case studies. And if you even just consider the fact that one. One law enforcement officer that I does a lot of tactical training around the country, he watches your show diligently, and he contacted me and he said, scott, I train all over the country. I trained SWAT teams, you know, advanced tactics. He said, I'm telling you right now, we're not ready for this. In terms of response, you know, primarily because the typical scenario that we deal with are single shooters.

[Legend]

Yep.

[Scott Mann]

One, we do not deal with teams of eight to 10 that are prepared to fight to the death. In Mumbai, for example, in 2008, there were 35 candidates that tried out that were initially groomed for the, the, the role. Ten were selected. Nine of the ten fought to the death. They knew that they were not coming out. Right. And so we've just never faced anything with that. And then if you look at, for example, the Crocus city music hall or the Crocus Music hall just recently where ISIS hit in Russia, that was a complex attack where they had incendiary devices, they set the place ablaze. They were extremely well armed with long guns and short guns, grenades, and they were taking the time to cut throats as they went and making sure that it was covered and amplified. So you're talking about extremely well trained individuals who are prepared to die and who frankly know what they're doing. And we just, we, we don't think about that. We don't train that way. And I, again, I'm not saying that to create panic. I'm saying that that, that's just a pragmatic responsibility that in this day and age that we live in, particularly considering our border's been open for four years, how could we assume that has not happened? I mean, even if you didn't have the gwat veteran reporting that you have, you know, knowing the mandate that groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda have against to our demise, why would we not assume that that number of people are here prepared to do that?

[Sarah Adams]

Well, I mean, we've seen how effective the training is. I mean, the last time Sarah was on, she gave us a clip. We'll roll it again right now. But I mean, in my 14 years of being over there, I've never seen a combatant move like that or shoot like that and go ahead.

[Legend]

Yeah, no, and then another really interesting thing when he brings up the ISIS Russia attack. So they trained multiple teams for that attack. And like the first team essentially got thwarted and wrapped up. So the Russians thought they stopped the plot. And then those guys came in and basically did that attack, which is very smart and we're not used to those kind of tactics, backup teams for these plots. Like that's a new thing. So we can even have people in the government. And we do have people like, you know, they picked up like eight ISIS guys last year and think they thoroughly the homeland plot. So the tears are also doing things to make you think, okay, you're ahead of the game. You stop this. And then they had a whole backup team that went in and successfully did that attack.

[Scott Mann]

And I think you have to think about. Sorry, I'll just say this real quick. Just. We have to assume. I think another thing is. Is strategic surprise. You know, if you look at, you know, if you just study these groups, they are very good at not just tactical surprise, but strategic surprise. Were they surprised surprise the nation, they surprise the larger body at scale. And when that happens, what follows is a level of institutional paralysis. Everything's locked, everything's paralyzed, you know, and so when that happens, you've got these groups that are capable of what my buddy Dave at the Agency calls not terrorism, but horror ism. Like, they're able to bring a level of just unmitigated horror at an interpersonal level, and then they'll even amplify it with body cams, you know, so you're. You're not. It's strategic surprise, strategic paralysis, hold ground, mass casualties, that kind of event. We've just never dealt with that here, you know, and. And I think we're due. I just do. I don't think that you're going to see. One law enforcement officer that I interviewed told me, he said, I was in D.C. for the 911 attack. I was. He said I was like two blocks from the Pentagon, right? And he said, you know, that attack happened. Explosion, F16s flying supersonic just above the treetops. And right over here, the McDonald's was still open, people still getting food, you know, but yet when the DC sniper, two dudes in the back of a car for three weeks, he was there for that, too. The entire city was paralyzed and lockdown. People on a knee getting. Getting gas, you know, kids not going outside to play. And he said, that's the difference. You know, that's the difference is when it's. There's the spectacular thing that's over there, but then there's where you live and you work and you play. And they have figured that out. If you look at their attacks over the last, what, 10 years, every time, every single time, it's local, complex attacks right where we live, we're in play.

[Sean Ryan]

Note that while you guys were talking, you mentioned the video of the Taliban fighters who are on the range showing their tactics, showing off their tactics. A few things you should know about them, Sean. They were trained. Most of them were trained by the U.S. special Operations community. While we were there, some were evacuated to the United States by the Biden administration. Administration. And then they Decided to go back. They decided to go back and join the Taliban. So some of those guys you see, they're the returnees. Some of them, they go, they get debriefed, they get briefed all over again by the Taliban, by Haqqani and are sent back to the United States. So don't think that that individual you see in the range is only in Afghanistan. No, they're going back and forth. There are Afghan Americans from California, from Tennessee, from Florida, from New Jersey, New York that are, that have went back and joined the Taliban, that are serving with the Taliban right now. And these folks go back and forth.

[Sarah Adams]

You know, you guys have, I know you briefed a couple governors, you briefed local PDs, sheriff's offices. I don't know who else. But, you know, one of the things, and I don't know if this came out of this or not, what you guys are doing, but it's like Florida seems to be kind of leading the way with this, with. They've set up the, what is it? The National Guard Special Missions Unit where they've, where they've utilized a lot of special operations veterans is kind of like a volunteer special unit task force. Special missions unit, task force. And so I'm hoping they do that here. Are you guys getting any? I mean, that just seems like a great way because, because even yesterday during the briefing, it was, it was, you know, allocation resources seem to be like the primary concern.

[Scott Mann]

Right.

[Sarah Adams]

And how are they going to, I mean, and that's something that all these communities need to be thinking about is, you know, you know, I mean, look, police are already understaffed, right. Because the last four years, the defund, the police thing. And so you really, you know, PDs, sheriff's offices, even at the federal, state levels, you know, they need to be thinking about allocation of resources and how fast those resources are going to be used up. And so you need to be thinking about neighboring PDs, neighboring sheriff's offices, neighboring state assets, federal assets, and how, how we can help each other.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah.

[Sarah Adams]

You know.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah, you can even look at, you know, so, for example, some of the things that we looked at were like western North Carolina, hurricane, the chemical spill in East Palestine, Ohio. Like, those are not terror events. But what they were were situations where a crisis expended the capability of the Organic Response Force in memory minutes like that, you know, you, you couldn't. They couldn't respond. They could not. They were not effective. And so what you saw were individuals and communities that were on their own. And then you also saw, and this is what I call the gwat X factor, right? You saw these global war on terror individuals responding, you know, either from the local area or even trucking in and responding. And it started with the Afghanistan collapse, but it's been happening. The fires in West Maui, the western North Carolina hurricanes. So there's some, there's kind of some new stuff that's happening. And I guess where I'm going with that, Sean, is that I think we have to look at this level of threat. And it's kind of like I said, you either believe it's real or you don't. If you do, then you have to give it its credit and give the enemy a vote that this is a, this is, this thing will massively exceed our organic capabilities within minutes. And if that's the case, then I think we have to have a paradigm shift in our private public partnership. The government and the communities, the government at all levels and the communities have to work together on a scale we've never done before and that we usually only do after bang. I'm saying, and this is why I think Sarah's sense of urgency is so compelling. There's just not a lot of time. I think we have to assume that the four years of an open border eye off the ball, like there's, there's such an advance to us of where we are. So a lot of this is how do we plan together, how do we work together, how do we look at global War on Terror veterans being a part of this. You talked about the Florida piece and I don't think you'll mind me saying this like, you know, Sheriff Naco is in Pasco county, is really good at engaging local veterans and, and not just for their analytical skills on the intel side, but, but also their operational skills. Like Sarah said, they fought in Ramadi, they fought in Fallujah, they know how to do a threat vulnerability assessment of schools. So I just think it's kind of all hands on deck, man, honestly. And, and, but the asset that we have that we are not properly utilizing our communities, our communities have a lot of potential. The, the top down government has got to figure that out. They've got to include them in the discussion. Discussion. And I think it's the best last chance we have.

[Sarah Adams]

I mean GY veterans are, I mean you've already covered this several times just on this specific show, but very open to, to help. They want to help. And so yesterday in the briefing you had brought up expect blockades, expect not to be able to reach the Venues. And so, you know, and I brought up, hey, like, you know, I understand you guys, you know, you don't have all the resources that you need, but you can utilize local community. I mean, I brought it up, you know, when I was in the SEAL teams in 2004, we 16 guys, you know, 16 guys went into Athens and we, we developed five routes into every, Every Olympic venue in Athens, outside of Athens, how we would get there. And not only that, I mean, guys that have done the job, you know, I mean, how many times were you infilling a target? It was blocked, and then you had to deviate, find another route in. I mean, we're really good at this type of stuff. And so even if you can't allocate your officers to develop that plan, you can reach out to the community, have your community find. Find the qualified people within the community. They're out there. There's a ton of them here, you know, to develop just the routes. Just the routes. And I mean, and I know you're saying, like, we don't have time. We don't have time. It's going to take time, you know, and you have to start somewhere. So I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to seem. I don't want it to seem like it's an impossible task. I mean, I think the important. The thing is just start. I think it's just a start utilizing the community, develop the routes. You had talked about the communication piece and that it would be very likely there would be no comms, you know, well, immediately I brought up, hey, you can get comms, order some mini Starlinks, and at least. At least you have communication from on site where the attack happened to headquarters, to the sheriff's department, to the pd, to whatever, you know, and that's right there, you have open comms.

[Scott Mann]

And this is why we did the Gathering Storm book. The way we did is because, like, exactly what you're doing is the way we present it. So we, like, pose these questions and like, how can your community come together and start addressing these. I mean, look at how you arrived at that solution based on tactical experience. Where? In Athens. But that's all over the country. I mean, look again. Look at what the gwat guys and girls did in the response to Western North Carolina. I was just up there interviewing a lady named Pastor Glenda, and she ministers to two congregations way up in the mountains where my family's from. And we went up there and we're going around and I asked Her I said, what was support like in the first two weeks of the of and it was devastating. She said, had it not been for the veterans, we wouldn't even have had food resupply in the first two weeks. It was. The only people we saw from the outside were veterans, and somehow they got to us, you know, and my point is that is going to happen no matter what. These g. What veterans, they have spent 20 years of their life doing this kind of work in a distributed, connected kind of way, and they're going to do it no matter what. If there's institutional paralysis, if there's a gap, they're going to fill it. So why not on your table exercises at a community level in the eoc? Invite them in, huddle around the table and make it a true, private, public, public conversation around a community problem. You know, and I. I just think that nothing but goodness is going to come out of that. Like what. What you facilitated yesterday, in my assessment, is exactly the model of what we need.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, it gets. It gets people thinking. And so I want to go. I kind of just want to go over everything that we talked about there yesterday. Like. Like not only re. Not only allocation of actual personnel, but. But resources, medical supplies. I mean, Sarah and Boone just did a big event at a local church here where sounds like not even just local churches within this county were here, but all throughout the state came to listen to them speak. And so a lot. There are a lot of people that are taking this seriously and they just, you know, they might not know the questions to ask. I mean, you go to a church down here, everybody's packing heat. I mean, everybody's armed. Everybody's packing heat. But, you know, do they. Do they understand basic medical skills? Even just. Even just slapping a tourniquet on, you know, and so maybe pds. I don't know who would fund it. I don't know who would fund it. But instead of. I mean, EMS is probably going to be. Have even a tougher time doing. Getting there to triage and treat victims.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah.

[Sarah Adams]

And casualties. And so that means be able to.

[Legend]

Remember they have to wait till the scene.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah.

[Legend]

Is clear of a threat.

[Sarah Adams]

Even after that. Even after, though, there's going to be traffic jams, roads are going to be blocked. Even. Even if they didn't block the attack, they're going to, you know, there's going to be traffic jams where you can't move because everybody's going to be in paralysis. And so. So if. Even if it's just, hey, let's get 100 tourniquets and stash them in different churches. Let's get 100, you know, or chest seals or bandages, all that kind of stuff. Because even if EMS doesn't arrive, guess what? There's gonna be medical professionals there that are survivors that will be able to treat. And if that communication can even just come out, you know, because it's not 100%, the comms are gonna be shut down. But if. If the department, you know, if they get a call and they say, hey, by the way, there's an entire medical cache of supplies stashed wherever in the janitor closet at a mall. Or maybe you make it just open, just like they do with AEDs and that type of equipment. Hey, here's the medical supplies. We can't get there. Roads are blocked. You guys, we set up for this.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah, absolutely. And it's not that hard to do because you can actually have these conversations. And I've sat in and participated in quite a few of them. And you don't see people in there panicking or wringing their hands. You see empowered neighbors just having a pragmatic conversation about a potential threat. But guess what? The worst thing that's going to happen, happen probably if you go through that exercise, is a, you're going to be connected more to your neighbor, and. And B, you're probably going to be ready for other contingencies that might happen. And I'll give you case in point. I was interviewing some EOC representatives who responded to a flood in Ohio. They never saw it coming. It crested over its banks more than it had ever flooded. Little bitty town, like 20,000 people. And the.1 of the EOC, the Emergency Operations center members, was telling me that they. It was flooding so bad that they brought in firefighters, fighters from all over the surrounding counties. Right. To come help. Well, they were doing boat rescue, so they all brought their boats, but none of their radios communicated to each other. So they had to put one fire department guy from the town in each boat so that they had a radio that worked. And it took them a long time to figure that out, but that was the solution they came up. The point was, had you just done an exercise ahead of time where you brought those folks together, you would have already sorted that out out. Right. And those are the kinds of things that when you add to the paralysis just the horror ism that could be brought by this, trying to solve a problem like that could take you days because of the trauma and just the, you know, the inability to function and move. So I Just think that the more that a lot of it is the communities coming together again. Private, public, it's got to be private sector too. It's got to be those GWAT veterans. It's got to be be members of the community that normally maybe wouldn't be in there and finding ways to talk. Left of bang. That's the critical part. Because right of bang, everybody's going to be willing, well intended and coming together, but zero capability. You build trust when risk is low. You leverage it when the stakes are high.

[Sarah Adams]

I mean, and then even just training and I'm not talking about high tactics, clearing rooms, that kind of stuff. I mean, if you're a community leader, if you're a minister, if you're a pastor, if you're a teacher, if you're a principal, if you're a manager of a publix, a grocery store, you know, I mean, a little bit of medical training can go a very, very long way. And there's always people that are interested in doing this. I mean, especially churches here, very involved in this stuff. I mean, I mean, Covenant shooting not too long ago just happened. There was another one in Antioch, just happened a couple months ago. And people are tuned in right now. And so use that, get your people trained up. It's that that can mean life or death for a whole number of people.

[Legend]

There's actually an amazing case study. If you actually look at the Las Vegas shooting where we lost, you know, of course, hundreds of lives, they say 70% of the people who survived survived because the people in their vicinity had first aid training and a lot of it was former military members. But those citizens stepped up and did the initial triage and the initial aid and it saved 70% of those people. I mean, that's a huge number. And that alone should just get communities involved. Hey, if we know how to do this, look at the amount of number of lives you save.

[Scott Mann]

And again to that, just a couple other lessons learned from that same event, right? A concert, the Route 19 Harvest Festival or Route 91 Harvest Festival. Tens of thousands of people. Single shooter from the Mandalay Hotel, right? I forget. However many weapons he had, it was more than 10 with bump stocks. But while he was doing that, it took police over an hour, hour to get into his room and he was already dead an hour. Single shooter. So again, if you just look at the level of paralysis that happens from that, you know, I mean, you, you add to that seven to eight, ten well trained operatives like you saw in that video, right, who then hit multiple nodes at one Time and who have a, a pre existing mandate to hold terrain with explosives and children at a school. But if you're not table topping that, you know, if we're, if we're not laying that on a tabletop exercise and, and SWAT teams talking through that with, you know, others and how, what would we do if there were two locations that were locked down with hostages? When you've exceeded scope and capacity immediately so, you know, how are you calling for. What does that look like? So I just think that, and these are just, you need a, the other thing that came out of this, Sean, we talked about yesterday. I believe every emergency operation center, county sheriff should have a red cell. They should have a red cell that looks at threat based scenario work because both exist. And start looking at that and unpacking these different scenarios. Unpack October 7th, bring someone over from the IDF and let them give you a leadership, professional development on what happened that day. And then ask yourself, what should our red cell be looking at? And then re, and then the last thing I'll say on this, state and local leaders, we don't have to wait on the federal government to authorize resources. Yes, you need it for reporting and things like that for agents to look at. But in terms of resources and just training allocation, after I was on with you and we talked about this, there was a law enforcement officer from the greater New Orleans area who reached out and petitioned his leadership for immediate counterterror training. It was denied. This was one month before the January 1st attack.

[Sarah Adams]

You know, just. I want to expound on the Red Cell stuff because I think a lot of people don't understand what Red Cell, Red Cell is basically penetration testing for whatever could be venues, events, whatever. And so you're, you're basically penetration testing, finding weaknesses within that venture venue and, and even that, you know, we brought up, hey, you don't have to send, you don't have to allocate a bunch of on duty officers to do penetration testing to different venues. You could have off duty guys do it. You could have, you know, deputies, whoever, just, hey, I just want to let you know my guy walked in, had a gun, had a knife, had this, had that. Nobody checked to me, I'm an off duty cop. I'm allowed to carry anywhere, you know, and I just want you to, you know, hold the venues accountable. Hold, hold stuff like that. Like you were just talking about the, the basketball game at Chapel Hill. And you know, I'd like to kind of wrap this up here, but I think, you know, another thing, maybe, maybe Maybe the most important thing is open the discussion within the community. And when I say that, it doesn't mean you have to have a podcast and scare the living shit out of everybody. Like, this is going to scare a lot of people. You know, it's also going to create a lot of discussion. And I'm not trying to say, hey, cause mass hysteria, but open the discussion in your communities. And even if it's just, hey, we're aware of the potential terrorism threat, and we're working on ways to. To mitigate that and to minimize it as much as possible, you don't have to talk about what you're doing. You don't have to be extremely descriptive of what may come, like what we just did, but it opens the discussion. It gets out on different. Different channels, gets out on the media, gets out on social. And one thing that we can. I think we can all agree on is these guys, they look for soft targets. And so if you harden your community, then guess what? They see that. Because these guys always surveil before they hit. They always do surveillance before they hit. That's surveillance on the Internet. That's surveillance in person, of venues, of people. And so if you. If you create that discussion, however you do, gives the appearance that, let's not hit this community. They're getting their shit together. It's a discussion. They're preparing for it. It pushes it over to the next county, pushes it over to the next state. All the states do it. Maybe we stay in Europe, I don't know. But my concern, my biggest concern is obviously my community, and I think everybody listening, that's their biggest concern. And so open the discussion, get your citizens aware of it. And then also, it also, you know, gives off the appearance, not just the appearance, that you're actually doing something to combat this, and you become a harder target. They want easy targets.

[Scott Mann]

Yeah, yeah.

[Legend]

And there's precedents for this, so. Remember the Pulse nightclub shooter? Him and his wife did their surveillance on, you know, Disney Springs, the Downtown Disney area. They chose it as the target when he went to do the attack. Right. He had the gun in his stroller. And then there was too much Disney security that day. He got back in the car, drove around, thought of another venue, and then picked Pulse later on. Right. Horrible thing happened. But Disney having their security and upping their posture from the time he surveilled and said, I'm going to do it to going back and having more security, he said, okay, this isn't worth it for me. I'm not going to Be able to do what I want to do, right? That is a case study of how it happened. Now we all harden, right? We make all these targets more difficult. We keep thwarting them in that way. Remember, when people have to change the venue of their target, it might not be the same day like he did. They might have to do a week later. That gives law enforcement one more week to maybe identify him and thwart him. Right? Because we want to thwart this plot. We want to stop it from happening. Buying time and making the terrorists have to hide out longer, spend more money that helps us get them faster.

[Scott Mann]

But if you're waiting for something from the top down, I don't think thwarting is an option. I think thwarting, just like throughout our history, it is usually community solutions that deal with a crisis. And certainly, you know, getting left of bang, I think has got to start at a grassroots level and we're capable of it. I mean, it's already happening. I think now it's just a matter of kind of, you know, sharing, you know, the. Just kind of sharing the news on it. And one other thing that we're doing that seems to be working pretty well is we're putting people, people in the task force Pineapple signal room on Signal that started with the Afghanistan withdrawal, but now, you know, you got sheriff deputies from Williamson county and Pasco county and EOC responders from Chicago, and they're networked on this, this Signal app, and they can talk and get to know each other. Now we can put, we can broadcast training opportunities that are out there, things that are coming out. It's. It's pretty cool. And again, a lot of it started from these global war on terror veterans that just. They know how to stay connected and they move fast.

[Sarah Adams]

You know, I think bottom line is these guys want to succeed. They want to succeed. And so if you harden your community, harden your school, harden your church, harden your household, I mean, I know I have a whole team of security now. I know you guys do. And when you do that, it's, let's go somewhere where we're guaranteed success. That's how they think. That's just how they think. And so harden up the community, harden up the churches, harden up the schools, harden up the venues, harden up your households and set that tone so that they see that and they will very.

[Scott Mann]

Likely move on and model what right looks like that's doing the right thing. I think that model models what right looks like to the federal government and to into decision makers at the higher levels, right? I mean, we have a history of doing that in this country, so. And this is no different.

[Sean Ryan]

Can I say something, Sean? This was an amazing conversation, by the way. I was listening. But, you know, in 2025, Americans should not have to live in fear of ids and suicide bombings in America. And this is unfortunate, but it doesn't have to happen if everyone does their part. I mean, you guys are talking about how to protect these communities here, all the right things, but everyone else needs to do their part as well. And what I mean by that is there's no kind of hiding it anymore. These guys are claiming to do this in the name of Islam. I'm a Muslim, and I know for a fact that their actions has nothing to do with Islam. These guys have hijacked Islam and Islamic symbols, as I said earlier. Why is Saudi Arabia, uae, Qatar, Oman, Egypt, these Muslim majority countries, why are they not taking the lead and stopping these guys there? I mean, we're doing everything we can to try to stop it here, but these guys are killing Christians in the name of Islam. Islam. They're killing Jews in the name of Islam. You know, Saudi Arabia, the crown prince there, Mohammed bin Salman, he has this project, this vision, Vision 2030. Basically, he's trying to show this moderate face of Islam and to show that what these individuals, these groups are doing has nothing to do with Islam. But at the same time, he's not taking any action, and I hope you he does against Cutter. When they give offices to Hamas, the Taliban. Uae, you know, claims. UAE opened, opened up a church in Dubai. And they claim they're so moderate. And I know the people in UAE are. But at the same time, you know, just opening up one church doesn't mean that everything is good and everything is fine. UAE leadership is meeting with the leader of the Haqqani Network network. You know, this hypocrisy is being noticed. And they're not. These leaders are not going to get away with it unless they take action. Now, again, all of these terrorist networks are doing this in the name of Islam. So if it is not, and I'm saying it's not, I'm speaking out against it. These leaders. And I'm not a leader of a Muslim country, I'm an American Muslim. Those individuals are. They need to. And I hope Crown Prince Mohammed Salman takes action against all, all of his little neighbors.

[Legend]

You know, and the other thing we have to be honest about, we're asking communities, prepare yourself, protect yourselves. But if we went after the senior leaders of these plots where they're living in Afghanistan, where they're training these fighters in Afghanistan and dealing with it there. It wouldn't be here. Right. So the fact that we're not striking in Afghanistan right now is a problem. The fact that we are acting like the terrorism fight is only in Syria, only in Somalia, is a lie. It is in Afghanistan. And we need to be striking these senior leaders who are plotting against us now. That's how you thwart the plot.

[Sean Ryan]

And one other thing. The In America, don't come and tell us the Muslims here that, no, these are good p. Don't tell us that when we come and tell you these are terrorists who are killing in the name of Islam, but they have nothing to do with us. Don't tell us this is our culture. Culture. Don't tell us the Taliban are part of us and that's our culture. Treating women like cattle is part of our culture. It's not that.

[Scott Mann]

One thing I'd like to just close with is, you know, you see what went on today with this discussion and what we did yesterday. And most of the people that are taking this discussion on are veterans or intelligence alumni who served in the global war on terror. 20 or war. Right. And, you know, a lot of them. I know a lot of them. We lost a lot of friends over there, but it was less than, what, 1% of the American population that fought that war deployed multiple times, lots of wounded, lots of killed. And then even those of us that didn't, you know, necessarily sustain wounds or whatever, you know, you gave up a lot to fight that war and to do what our country asked us to do. Most of us came back from the war and made a concerted effort to put the war behind us, us and move on. And then it was just a few years later that we were sucked back in because our buddy who was a commando was being targeted. Or as the country fell. Like the people we cared about, many of us are alive because of some of these guys and girls. We stepped in when the government didn't. But one of the things I just want to leave with is I get a sense sometimes that the veterans that are talking about this actually even want to be doing this. I mean, there's a way that we were brought into this that I think most. Most people, even supporters, don't understand. You know, you had Ben Owen on your show, right? And him, Jess. And they helped a young girl named Arizo get to the United States. One among many. She's the daughter of a commando who'd been a commando from the very beginning. Right. And so they made a decision. Ben and Jess have expended their kids college funds like so many other folks to help. But like this is what Jess heard that made her decide to do this action. And, and what I just want to, I just want people to understand this is what was impacting veterans on from 2021 and what they've been listening to and watching for the last four years. After all that they did in combat, after all that we've asked of them, this is what they're inundated with even now. That's Arizo's mom as her dad is being tortured out in the alley. And put our veterans through that for four straight years. They did what we asked them to do. They answered the call and, and you know, it's time, man, it's time that we bring the government and the veteran population together on this and that we reconcile this and we get this into the hands of the government the way it's supposed to be and it gets handled. But it's not right now. And we've got a. This is hurting a lot of people. It is hurting a lot of veterans. They don't know how to hang up the phone. They don't know how to stop doing this and they won't. And it's killing them. You know, it's killing them and it's not a fair thing to put it there. Their feet, They've done enough. We need to find a way bring the two worlds together and let's, let's fix it. But, but right now you're the, you're the only voice that's even putting it out there. And that's got to change.

[Sarah Adams]

Legendary. We want to close with the thing. What do you got?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes, so this. Thank you. This is part of a letter written by an Afghan commando, a general. His name is Khaled Amiri. He is leading the resistance in Afghanistan right now since 2021. I'll read part of his letter. It says the strength of any military force relies on six leadership, discipline, institution building, technology and weaponry, strategy and support systems. Taliban factions and militias are not only unfamiliar with these principles, but the equipment and weapon left behind by Afghan armed forces are inadequate to meet the group's long term needs. At best, the Taliban remain an insurgent group lacking the capacity for institutional building and governance. The armed struggle of Afghanistan's freedom fighters over the past three years and the significant casualties they have inflicted on Taliban militias demonstrate the group's vulnerability in military and intelligence terms. A powerful and united anti Taliban front could bring the Taliban to their knees. Taliban leaders and militias are unfamiliar with the diverse languages and cultures of Afghan society and will never gain national or popular legitimacy. The people of Afghanistan, both in cities and rural areas, view them as occupied. The populace is fed up with the repressive anti woman and anti freedom rule of the Taliban and it will not be long before our people's uprising will drive them out of our land. This is written by General Khalid Amiri and he is, as I said, leading the resistance against the Taliban. This is not. He's in the fight. He tells you that the Taliban are very much defeated. Defeatable. President Saleh says the Taliban are very much defeatable. I hope somebody in the administration and the new administration listens to this letter that I just read and takes action. This is something that we can't solve. It will be a tragedy, a very sad tragedy if the guys that we trained in Afghanistan to fight territory terrorists, we end up fighting those guys here in America.

[Sarah Adams]

Well, legend Sarah Scott, I really appreciate you guys coming. And what I appreciate more is what happened yesterday where you guys briefed up my community. And I just want to say thank you for that. And in closing for everybody that's planning at home, you know, community leaders, sheriffs, chief of police, anybody, you know, I remember Erik Prince said this on my show. Professionals think about logistics. Amateurs think about tactics. You have to think about logistics first. So with that being said, thank you again for coming and see you soon.

[Scott Mann]

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[Legend]

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[Legend]

Oh, I think I was angry with.

[Scott Mann]

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[Sarah Adams]

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[Scott Mann]

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[Legend]

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[Scott Mann]

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