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- [00:06]
Sean
Augustus Dorico, welcome back.
- [00:08]
Augustus Dorico
Thanks for having me back, Sean.
- [00:10]
Sean
Didn't expect to see you again so soon.
- [00:13]
Augustus Dorico
It was quite the timing.
- [00:15]
Sean
Yeah. Yeah, man. So massive flood tragedy in Texas. You were there cloud seeding before. And so I know you're getting blasted on the Internet. People are fucking irate. You know what's going on. And you know, but I pride myself on giving everybody a voice. And so I wanted to offer you the opportunity to come back and talk about what's going down on there. So quick introduction and some stats on what's happened last week. Augustus Dorico, founder and CEO of Rainmaker, a next generation cloud seeding company. Your name popped up in the news last week, obviously because of the Texas floods and the cloud seeding stuff. And so like I said, I just want to bring you on, give you the opportunity to speak to the public, my audience, about what was going on on there. But let's take a moment here to recognize the scale of the tragedy. Killed at least 120 people and left at least 176 missing. Notably 27 girls and one counselor from, from Camp Mystic, a Christian summer camp, were killed. And I just want to say that, you know, every time something like this happens, me and my organization, we like to donate. And so we're making a sizable donation. We did some research and found a, found a nonprofit to donate to. So we're donating to the relief efforts through the community foundation of the Texas Hill county country in the show. And we'll link that link in the show notes for anybody else that wants to donate, including you if you want.
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Augustus Dorico
To donate to it, Rainmaker will do the same.
- [02:02]
Sean
Perfect. And some facts about the flooding. Texas Hill country alongside along the Guadalupe river, heavy rainfall from Tropical storm Barrie. Unprecedented flooding between July 4th through 7th, February. 5 to 11 inches of rain fell in a few hours leading to the Guadalupe river rising 26 to 29ft in some areas within 45 minutes. Among the deadliest in the US in a century. It's destroyed homes, camps, infrastructure, killed a lot of people, a lot of people still missing that they're looking for. The tragedy centered in flash flood Alley underscored the region's vulnerability to such events with historic floods that also happened in 1987, 1998 and 2015 as presidents. And I also want to take a moment and just recognize a lot of the heroic actions that were going on there. Extensive rescue operations involving over 850 rescues. One Coast Guard crew made 165 rescues and first responders and everyday Americans stepped up to save their neighbors. So, you know, I don't know how to say this, but, you know, when it's, when things like this happen, it's just, it's good to see how many Americans step up. You know, we saw it in Hurricane Helene. We saw it in the wildfires. We're seeing it here. I mean, it's just, it's good to see Americans. I mean, we live in a very divisive society now, and it's good to see people step up in their community and come together to help those in need in these tragic events. So I know you were there. I think it was two days prior to the flood. Correct.
- [04:01]
Augustus Dorico
Correct.
- [04:02]
Sean
And what were you doing there?
- [04:06]
Augustus Dorico
Sure. So just again, for those that haven't heard before about what cloud seeding is in no uncertain terms, I run a cloud seeding company. We make a little bit more rain and snow for farms or for reservoirs or for aquifers when they're dealing with drought. Right. Obviously, right now, after the flooding, Texas does not need more water, and we've indefinitely suspended operations because of that. And we'll keep them suspended until first responders have stopped working. Cloud seeding is not long streaks in the sky. It's not trying to dim out the sun. It's certainly not creating hurricanes. Cloud seeding is a technology that was invented in the US that relies on clouds, natural clouds with liquid water droplets in them and flying into those clouds, dispersing material that then freezes onto those drops, makes big enough, heavy enough snowflakes such that they fall and either fall as snow or melt back into rain. We have customers throughout Texas, the South Texas Weather Modification association, the West Texas Weather Modification association, these are groups of counties and individual farms that pay us for cloud seeding because they historically have needed more water. Right. If you look Even back to June 24, not long ago, a lot of Texas, a lot of the hill country, was in severe or moderate drought. So what we were doing there on July 2nd and prior was trying to make more rain for these farms and for these reservoirs and to recharge the aquifer because they tend to need more water. We were operating on the second, and we flew one 20 minute cloud seeding mission. So we seeded two clouds and we dispersed 70 grams of silver iodide into those clouds. First of all, those clouds dissipated over the course of the two hours after the mission. Right. So did we seed the storm itself? No, absolutely not. Did we seed clouds that dumped tons of precipitation? No, not that either. Like the most successful cloud seeding missions that have ever been conducted either by rainmaker or research labs have produced tens of millions of gallons of precipitation. They got hundreds of billions of gallons of precipitation over the course of just hours and trillions cumulatively. So cloud seeding, though it can make useful amounts of water for these farms and ecosystems cannot produce a million times more than. Than what the best operations ever have. So that's the first thing to say. The second thing to say is, well, you know, maybe because you, like, seeded those, those two clouds on the second, the material stayed in the atmosphere and then made the flooding worse later. And we know categorically that that's not true either. When you seed into clouds and there's subsequent precipitation, the material that you disperse gets precipitated out with the rain. Right. So one, we know that by seeding into the clouds, the aerosol dissipated. But two, even if we had just been seeding into open air and we weren't, right, it was 20 plus hours between when our mission occurred and when the flooding ensued. And the winds were blowing northwest, northwest, such that any of our airsols would have been long and far north had they even persisted in the atmosphere. And they didn't.
- [07:19]
Sean
Hold on, let's rewind. What were you saying about.
- [07:21]
Augustus Dorico
What was that last thing about the aerosols up there? So one thing.
- [07:27]
Sean
The wind.
- [07:28]
Augustus Dorico
Yeah, yeah. So the winds when we were seeding were blowing to the northwest. Right. In the ensuing days. Right. You had the storm just plop down and pound this one particular area. But when we were seeding, the winds were going northwest, such that any of the aerosols that could have possibly remained in the atmosphere, and I don't think that any consequential amount did, they would have blown out of the direction of the storm as well.
- [07:55]
Sean
You don't think or you know.
- [07:57]
Augustus Dorico
We know, we know.
- [07:58]
Sean
Excuse me. Did you see those clouds dissipate?
- [08:00]
Augustus Dorico
Yes.
- [08:01]
Sean
Do you have that on video?
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Augustus Dorico
We have that on radar.
- [08:03]
Sean
You have that on radar? Have you released that information?
- [08:06]
Augustus Dorico
Yeah, yeah, we posted that online.
- [08:07]
Sean
Yeah, you did. And you were operating, I believe, south. Was it southwest of.
- [08:14]
Augustus Dorico
It was about 100 miles southeast.
- [08:16]
Sean
100 miles southeast. And the wind was blowing which way?
- [08:20]
Augustus Dorico
It was blowing northwest, it was blowing northwest.
- [08:24]
Sean
So it would have been in the direction of that storm from your location.
- [08:29]
Augustus Dorico
Correct. However, one, it was 70 grams of silver iodide. That amount of particulate dispersed over hours would have been lower in concentration than just the natural amount of dust that gets kicked up from the soil. Right. It could not have any impact because of those concentrations. And the notion that, like, by seeding, could we have worsened the storm somehow because we created a low pressure system. Like, I think a lot of people. And I'm not one to always defer to experts, right. Like, I think that people should trust but verify the notion that any sort of seating operation then could have worsened the remnants of the tropical storm and then the convergence of a system from the Pacific is, like, totally impossible. And you can defer to other atmospheric scientists that have brought this up and corroborated it. Not from Rainmaker. You can defer to other meteorologists. You can even defer to the Texas Department of Agriculture commissioner that dispelled any rumors about cloud seeding having to do with this.
- [09:34]
Sean
Why did they. Who hired you to go down there?
- [09:37]
Augustus Dorico
The South Texas Weather Modification Association. So that's a bunch of counties and farms that need more water.
- [09:43]
Sean
Okay, okay. Did they. I mean, when you're seeding clouds, I mean, are you. How. What's the radius of where you're doing it from how many miles out are you guys looking at weather?
- [09:57]
Augustus Dorico
We're looking at. Well, for forecasting, you know, this is an important point, right? We're looking at the entire region just so that we understand the situation, even if we're only seeding over a handful of counties. We want to understand the context. And it's important to do that because on the second, our meteorologists identified that there was this inflow of moisture from the Gulf. And that's why we spended operations the afternoon of the second. Now, that's important because one that's like Rainmaker wants to do no harm and did no harm. And by proactively forecasting so that we know we're not seeding during storms or during flash floods, we can prevent ourselves from doing any damage. Right? But it's also important because a lot of people have said, well, you know, who even is regulating you guys? Who even is giving you permission to do this? And it's worth saying the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation has permits for weather modification and cloud seeding operations. They have for decades. Cloud seeding isn't a new technology. Right. Only recently have people been able to measure what the effects of it are with new radar tech. But it's not new. The states have regulations. The states have to grant you permits if they approve your concept of operations and also if they approve your suspension criteria. And so that is maybe one of the most important parts here. Suspension criteria are basically the weather conditions or conditions on the ground that would result in us being required to stop operating and so one of the suspension criteria is if the National Weather Service issues a flash flood warning. The National Weather Service issued a flash flood warning at about 1am on the third. Right. We suspended operations on the second. We proactively suspended operations even before we were notified to by the National Weather Service or before we would have been required to by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation. So not only did we adhere to the rules, but we proactively stopped long before we needed to because our meteorologists were able to see that there was impending risk. Have you.
- [12:09]
Sean
I mean, I had a handful of friends reach out to me after, you know, after the flood had happened. And all of the questions were exactly the same. Did Augustus Dorico cause this? I'm not a scientist. I don't know. You know, all I know is what I learned in our interview together. And this was, you know, I kind of expressed this in the interview. This is what everybody is scared to death of, of something like this happening. But you know, going back to your interview, I mean, I remember, if I remember correctly, you said the window of opportunity for it to rain after you see the cloud is 15 to 45 minutes. Correct.
- [12:50]
Augustus Dorico
Max two hours, but generally within the hour. Yeah.
- [12:53]
Sean
So I mean, I just, I don't, and I don't see a, you know, a small, medium sized drone being able to create, you know, that much devastation. How many drones were you guys using?
- [13:09]
Augustus Dorico
So in Texas we use airplanes, not drones, used airplanes. We use airplanes, however. Right. These airplanes are like six seater aircraft. They're not the high altitude jetliners or stuff. That's worth saying because I think a lot of people hear about cloud seeding. They'll look up and see these trails in the sky. They'll think that that's cloud seeding. That's not cloud seeding. Right. Whether you believe that those long trails in the sky are condensation trails or chemtrails. And I don't think that they are chemtrails. I haven't seen evidence for it. A lot of people have sent me the movie the Dimming. Have you heard of this?
- [13:43]
Sean
No, I've.
- [13:45]
Augustus Dorico
There's this piece on geoengineering and the risks of solar radiation modification and potentially chemtrails that a lot of people have sent to me. I'm not compelled by that evidence, frankly. Anyway, all that to say I am totally open minded to the notion that there could be nefarious stuff from state actors. We know that China is investing $1.4 billion into their weather modification program as of our Last conversation it was 300 million. They just ramped it up to 1.4 billion. So we do know that they're interested in that. We do know that the Chinese are interested in that. I don't believe that any of those contrails are in fact chemtrails. But these airplanes were flying at this one airplane, to be clear, was flying at 1600ft above ground level. So another important detail is the altitude whereat we were flying means that those particulate fella, it seems like the weight.
- [14:48]
Sean
Of it would, I mean, they wouldn't be able to travel that far. 1600ft, that's just not that high.
- [14:53]
Augustus Dorico
Exactly.
- [14:54]
Sean
But have you seen this video that Nicole Shanahan put out by chance? Jeremy, can you roll that real quick? I just want to get your reaction to this. Hey, everybody. So EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin announced today that his agency will finally release detailed information on geoengineering. If you followed me for a while, you know this is something I care deeply about, so this feels like the right moment to share. I have been speaking with a whistleblower over the past several weeks who has helped me really understand what's happening in our skies. They've given me information that could shed real light on these programs, who's behind them, where the funding's coming from, and what we can do to stop them. I'll be posting an article on my X feed later today, so please stay tuned. What do you think she's talking about with this whistleblower? I mean, we obviously know who's behind it. Where does the funding come from? Funding comes from the Texas Weather Modification whatever group that you were talking about. Correct.
- [15:55]
Augustus Dorico
So note she said geoengineering. I don't do geoengineering. I do weather modification. And that difference is really important. Cloud seeding is a kind of weather modification, and it's weather modification because it's local in both time and space. Right. Like it affects an individual county over the course of hours. Geoengineering is a global climate intervention like dimming the sun that is aimed at cooling the entire planet down where the aerosols dispersed into the stratosphere would persist for years. The funding for our cloud seeding operations come from these counties and farms that we work with. The Federal government spent $2.4 million on cloud seeding research last year, and that was all that they'd spent in years. Since we don't do any work with the federal government, if we do, I'll be happy to tell people about that. With respect to geoengineering, so I'm interested to see what she says. The statement that Lee Zeldin gave, I think yesterday on transparently accounting for what contrails are, what geoengineering activities exist, I think that that is absolutely a step in the right direction. I think if people are trusted with information, if the government is able to disclose to us what activities are going on, I think that people will rightfully either feel more safe and comfortable about these technologies or feel less safe about them, and then we can regulate appropriately. Right. So the whistleblower that she's alluding to, I suspect I know who that is without getting into whether they're a credible source or not. I'll just say to all of, like, the make America healthy again people, I am super empathetic. Like, I want clean water, I want clean air, I want clean food. I'm into regenerative agriculture. I don't think manipulating the weather is the only way to get more water on the ground for a more productive agricultural base. But I think that cloud seeding is one way to do that. And so insofar as Nicole is interested in talking about how to make America healthy again, how to ensure that our skies and our climate is clean, like, I am totally down to do that and appreciate at least the sentiment around inquiring about what's going on. I mean.
- [18:28]
Sean
My inclination is she's talking about you. You know, whether she put the word geoengineering in or cloud sitting, I mean, the timing, she's got to be talking about you. And I mean, she's obviously very concerned. I mean, everybody's very concerned. I'm concerned. But I mean, as far as this whistleblower, you don't have to name a name because, you know, it's not factual yet. But what position does this person hold and why would they not be credible?
- [19:04]
Augustus Dorico
If it is who I think it is, and it might not be right, I think it's someone that used to work in a part of the Air Force that was unrelated to any clandestine operations or attempts at cloud seeding or geoengineering, but I think has made a name for themselves in posting inflammatory, inflammatory, false information about this. And that gets into a bigger point, right? Over the course of the last few days, me, fine, a lot of people have offered death threats, so be it, right? Like, I'm happy to continually engage in good faith with the questions and concerns that people have because emotions are running high right now for good reason. Like there has been a natural disaster and a tragedy. Part of the problem is that there are these accounts online, be they anonymous or even public figures, right, like government figures, politicians. People have come out and knowingly posted false information or insinuated in their posts that cloud seeding had something to do with these floods, despite knowing that there's no way it possibly could have. And they've done so either for Elon Bucks on X or just to rally political support to them from people that are rightfully concerned about the consequences of this technology but don't yet know the facts. And I think that manipulating people into a frenzy and a mob to make a scapegoat not just of me, but of people unrelated to our cloud seeding operations, that is reprehensible. I will always, because our Lord was forgiving, be willing to forgive and break bread with people that have done this. But that will stop. That has to stop.
- [21:00]
Sean
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- [24:24]
Augustus Dorico
1.4 billion.
- [24:25]
Sean
1.4 billion invested per year. Have you research, have you done any research on if China's cloud seeding program has caused any, any flooding or is there any, is there any evidence of this happening with anybody else that's doing this type of stuff? Because we did see it in Dubai. We did see it in Dubai.
- [24:45]
Augustus Dorico
So you wouldn't be surprised to find out that China is not extraordinarily open about their program. What we do know is this. We know that they're investing all of this money. We know that they have 35,000 employees in their weather modification program. We know that they have two universities that offer bachelor's degrees in weather engineering. Right. We know that China has stated explicitly that they intend to export their cloud seeding and weather modification systems around the world and are probably interested in doing so not just for the sake of benevolently producing water, but for the sake of one, having leverage over countries for whom they produce water. And two, we know that cloud seeding has before been used as a weapon. We know that the Environmental Modification Treaty came out in the 70s to ban weaponized weather modification internationally because the United States used cloud seeding during the Vietnam War to flood the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Do I think that cloud seeding wholesale should be banned because of that and American farmers and ecosystems in cities and reservoirs shouldn't be able to use cloud seeding to produce more water? No, I think that would be not just an overcorrection, but like unsound policy. But should there be radical transparency? Should there be serious regulation and permitting around this? Should there be reporting so that people are able to scrutinize the information from cloud seeding activities? And should there be monitoring from institutions like NOAA or the National Weather Service to look for nefarious or malevolent weather modification operations? Yeah, absolutely.
- [26:22]
Sean
Can you change the color of rain?
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Augustus Dorico
No.
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Sean
I saw all these things on X where people were claiming it's. I think they were claiming it's your rain because it came down blue. And there's all these videos out there. There's no discoloration of the rain at all.
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Augustus Dorico
Not at all. When we cloud seed and create these snowflakes, right. The initial snowflakes that are created are created by water freezing onto the silver iodide. Right. But then those snowflakes break apart and create more snowflakes, and you get this chain reaction where, you know, the concentration of silver iodide is de minimis. Like I said before, after decades of operating, we've only seen as much as an increase in like, 8 parts per trillion of silver iodide in soil where cloud seeding is occurring. There's already two parts per million in most American soils. So, like, if even it is a statistically significant result, after decades of operation, cloud seeding has added a million times less than what's naturally there. So there's no adverse ecological effects at all. Certainly not enough to change the color of the rain. I don't know what that was. I hope it's not more deliberate disinfecting content.
- [27:36]
Sean
Yeah, I mean, can you talk about the size of the two clouds that you seeded versus the tropical storm? Like, what's the ratio here?
- [27:50]
Augustus Dorico
Like a million times. A million times? The remnants of the tropical storm were a million times larger than.
- [27:56]
Sean
Is that a factual number? A million times?
- [27:59]
Augustus Dorico
That's an approximation. What I'm getting at there is the best cloud seeding operations that have occurred to date have produced tens of millions of gallons. That storm produced like 4 trillion gallons of precipitation. So that's roughly on order of magnitude like 100,000 to a million times larger than the best cloud seeding operations could yield. In terms of water other than the.
- [28:22]
Sean
Volume, how about the area?
- [28:26]
Augustus Dorico
Yeah, I don't want to perjure myself here, so I'll be as specific as possible, and people can look at the report that I posted online with all of the radar data on these cells. But significantly smaller than the area of a county. We're talking in terms of acres here, not like tens of square miles.
- [28:52]
Sean
What are some of the other things that people are saying.
- [29:01]
Augustus Dorico
You know, I think a lot of people are saying that me coming out and trying to be public about this. Some people appreciate the candor and appreciate the transparency. Some people think that by going out and talking to all these people, it's clearly some sort of psyop. Some people have said that Augustus clearly isn't responsible and cloud seeding isn't to blame, but he's the fall guy for some larger nefarious operation. I don't yet have reason to believe that that's true. I certainly hope that's not true. If that is true, then we have to find out the way to do so. I think one is through submitting freedom of Information requests to all of the relevant federal agencies about what weather modification research or activities they do have going on and then going forward, reporting, accountability and regulation, more permitting from the federal government. And it's not to say that, like, at this point in time, people totally trust the federal government. Right. I am very empathetic to that. I do not think that they are always great at.
- [30:12]
Sean
Nobody trusts the federal government.
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Augustus Dorico
Yeah.
- [30:14]
Sean
Especially with all the shit right now with the Epstein stuff. No way. No fucking way. The P. Diddy shit, the Epstein stuff, all within a week. Nobody trusts federal government. Then we go to the last four years. That's. That's going to take a long time before anybody trusts the US Government. It's just. It's just. It's just the way it is, you know, I mean, totally. They got to give us a reason to trust them.
- [30:42]
Augustus Dorico
Yeah.
- [30:42]
Sean
So far that has not happened.
- [30:44]
Augustus Dorico
No, I agree. And I mean, another thing that keeps coming up. Right. Is like, we will say something to the effect of, like, cloud seeding is a useful or effective way to produce more water for farms and ecosystems. And it's totally safe. And then people will say, oh, safe and effective. Safe and effective. We've heard that before. Right. Doesn't sound so safe and effective. That is a really hard portion of the information landscape that we operate in now. I think the only solutions to that are to the extent there are any good people left in the government, them scrutinizing this and then me continuing to provide as much information as I can and answering as many questions as I can. There's people with like four followers on Twitter that ask me some question about silver iodide toxicity, and I am trying to respond to every single one of those.
- [31:35]
Sean
I see you doing it. I see you doing it. What are some things. Have you learned anything out of this? What have you Taken away.
- [31:54]
Augustus Dorico
Well, for one, I would say, despite all of our attempts to save money federally and cut the budget. Right. Which in the abstract, I am in favor of cutting the budget in a way that prevents us from building critical infrastructure for either forecasting or severe weather alerts and flood alerts that can happen. If we had better flash flood sensors on the Guadalupe, we could have notified people significantly earlier if we had better forecasting. By we, you mean not Rainmaker, but the U.S. government. Yeah. The National Weather Service or local fire departments even. They were trying to warn people earlier. I don't know if you heard those phone calls, but that was pretty hard to listen to. That's one thing. Another thing is I think that although net. Net. Because of how supportive people have been and receptive to information and earnest dialogue, like in a certain sense, I've developed a lot more faith in the American people and our government. I also do know, and this has been pretty upsetting to learn that there are people once again who know that cloud seeding and Rainmaker and I had nothing to do with these floods, who, despite knowing that, are trying to find a way to pin the blame on me in some sort of investigation or otherwise to drum up political support or, you know, get the heat off of them.
- [33:42]
Sean
Are you open to a full blown investigation?
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Augustus Dorico
Obviously that'd be inconvenient, but I have nothing to hide. So, yeah, I think that the overwhelming amount of evidence that we've provided that any meteorologist can corroborate that any atmospheric scientist or hydrologist or otherwise can look into, even any individual person, just look at the timeline and the facts. I think that it's all pretty clear that there's nothing that we did that could have affected this. That said, if it came down to it, yeah, fine, sure. I am happy to provide any information should there be an investigation. I will happily engage with authorities as is necessary should they so choose.
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Sean
Has there been any talk of that?
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Augustus Dorico
Yeah.
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Sean
What would it take? What would it take to. Or is it even possible to 100% prove to the American people that it was. It had nothing to do with cloud sitting. Is it. Is it possible to prove that? And if so, how? How would you do it?
- [34:42]
Augustus Dorico
So for one, I would say that the information that we have reported on already from our meteorologists does prove that. Now, beyond just what we've reported on our flight tracks, on our flight times, on the amount of material dispersed on the clouds that we seeded and how quickly they dissipated, on the dissipation of the aerosols and the fact that we only dispersed 70 grams, like 8 to 10 skittles worth of material a day in advance of when the flooding began. Despite all of that, I think that is 100% proof unto itself. If we were to do more, you could get atmospheric scientists to run simulations on where the aerosols would have gone, how that would have affected precipitation patterns and the pressure systems in the vicinity. And you could doubly with like rigorous academic papers and publishing. Again, not that people are going to defer to that sort of authority or credential, but you could do that as well to further corroborate this. But like, I promise you that you will be hard pressed to find a capable meteorologist that thinks this had anything to do with it and is not 100% convinced it did not.
- [35:56]
Sean
What else should I be asking you?
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Augustus Dorico
You know, I think there's maybe like two last points just to think about here. The first of which, again, just to give like, scale and context here, we haven't really gotten into like, whether silver iodide is healthy or not, right? Whether it's safe to use during cloud seeding operations. I think when you just intuit how little we're dispersing on these missions, you can kind of get a sense that it's safe but for scale, right? Like, and again, I want to make America healthy again, like, I'm totally pro clean food, clean air, clean water, regenerative, regenerative agriculture is great, etc. Just in terms of scale of what sort of toxins we're exposed to right now. Americans consume like 2 billion kilos of pesticides every year. We consume a commensurate amount of herbicides every year. We are wearing microplastics. Right? There is microplastic. And we mentioned this in the last time we chatted and that is kind of like the biggest clip. Like, there is birth control metabolites in the water that we drink. Like, we are exposed to an inordinate amount of toxins all the time that either we deem sufficiently safe because of how little we consume on a day to day basis, or that like, is not great for us and we should transition away from, but is not like killing people or causing respiratory issues or causing cancer in an enormous way. The amount of material that we're using 70 grams in an operation is. What is that? That's like 10, 100 billion times less than like the total amount of herbicides and pesticides that people are consuming every year. And like, I hope someday to be a big company, I hope sometime to scale our operations Meaningfully and to produce lots of water for people that are in need. Again, obviously not flash flood alley and in the Texan hill country when there has been flooding. But like one, the amount of material that we're using from silverada, for the amount of silverada that we're using for these cloud seeding operations, it is de minimis relative to all these other things we're exposed to on a daily basis. And even so, Rainmaker will, just for PR sake, just for the sake of making people feel safe, we will eventually transition away from silver iodide into something totally biodegradable, totally organic. Just because I think that's another way to build trust. And it is going to continue to be our responsibility to do everything we can to earn the trust of people that have appropriate skepticism and concerns about all of this.
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Sean
Do you mind if I make a suggestion? You know, I think, you know, when you're talking about transparency, that's what everybody wants with everything. They want transparency on Covid, they want transparency on Epstein, they want transparency on Diddy, they want transparency on Cloud City, they want transparency on. You name it. I mean, that's just where we're at. Like I said, there is little to no faith in the US Government on either side at this point. And so for you, something that you may want to think about is document every single time you do this video, radar, whatever the hell you have to do. And I realize for safety concerns, maybe you can't announce like, hey, we're going to be cloud seeding in Salt Lake City today, but. Or maybe you can, maybe you can and document every second of what happens. Or maybe you do it afterwards. Hey, I just want everybody to know we did a cloud seeding operation. Salt Lake City. Here's the entire video, here's the radar, here's everything. This is how much precipitation happened. And maybe, maybe, and I don't wanna look like I'm taking a side here, cause I'm not. But I mean, people, that's what it's gonna take. It's gonna take transparency and it's gonna take case studies of how this goes. You know, and so by, you know, by building these case studies and documenting every single thing you're doing, you build, I mean, basically what you're building is a portfolio of, hey, we did it here, we did it here, we did it here, we did it here. This is how long it lasted, this is how long it took it to rain. It was within the 15 to 45 minute window that I, that I said this would happen. Or the 15 to two hours or whatever it is. And, and, and you kick those out to the public every single time. You know, I don't, I don't know if that's possible, but that's something that I'd be looking at because otherwise, you know, there's always, there will just always be distrust.
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Augustus Dorico
You know what the crazy thing about that is, Sean?
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Sean
You already do it. Do you already do it?
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Augustus Dorico
You're regulatorily required to do that already. All of these reports are publicly available on state government websites right now. Should Rainmaker start announcing those ourselves? Sure, totally. Absolutely. I think that's a good idea and I appreciate the suggestion there, but we already have to do that in order to be permitted to operate in these states. Like these states back when they made these regulations, they realized this is going to be a big deal in terms of what its consequences could be. And also people are going to want to know what's going on. They have a right to know what's going on. The government lying to them all the time, people lying to them all the time, that's unacceptable. I really care about this country and I will not lie about any of what we're doing. So I'll start making those things more available online at the very least for the time being. We cannot do real time reporting. There are simply too many death threats. Oh, this is what I was referencing earlier in terms of American terrorist organizations. There is a militia in Oklahoma that is running around blowing up and dismantling radar systems. They believe that the weather radar that's being used to monitor cloud conditions, what we're using to forecast severe weather is directing energy into these clouds and into the atmosphere such that it is creating severe weather. I think that the FBI is investigating them. But yeah, like, it is not just concerned or emotional people online. It's not just paranoid schizophrenics. Like, there are organized militias that are wrongfully trying to destroy our nation's critical infrastructure for weather sensing right now. And that also don't care too much for Rainmaker. There has been severe flooding across the United States in the past week. Right. And people are drawing conclusions and correlations between that. Right. Like in New Mexico, there's flash flooding. In North Carolina, there's flash flooding. There was, I think, flooding in Chicago and thunderstorms there. We don't operate at all in either Chicago or in New Jersey or in North Carolina. We have operated before in New Mexico. Our program ended there on June 30th. So the flash flooding that happened after the 4th had nothing to do with us. We also posted those reports. I think the two conclusions from all of this severe weather, again, are, one, we clearly need better forecasting capabilities. We need to be able to forecast and alert people to these things far before when we're doing so now in order to keep them safe. And the second thing is, again, I don't have evidence yet to suggest that there are state actors participating in malicious weather modification. But if we don't have a more serious regulatory framework to monitor this stuff, like, how even would we know?
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Sean
You know, another thing, I mean, have any major news outlets reached out to you for a statement to come on the news? Anything?
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Augustus Dorico
Yeah, so I was on FOX two days ago. I was on CNN last night. I was on a handful of other programs, interestingly enough. You know, it's funny because we'll get some group, be it mainstream media or some sort of new media or some sort of written piece to lay out the facts and outline, you know, what's true and what's not. And I wonder if, like, going on mainstream media like FOX and CNN actually hurt my case because people just said like, well, don't trust them either. This is clearly an op. Maybe it's better for the general public and sentiment. But I'm grateful that we had the opportunity to talk to them. In a certain sense, there's almost like, yeah, to your point, nobody trusts anybody anymore. So I'm not exactly sure what to do other than continue to publish this information that. That would make it trustworthy.
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Sean
Well, I think, I mean, it's a, it's. How do I say this? I mean, it's, it's a. I mean, it's just a, it's an, it's a technology that people know little to nothing about. And, you know, we're seeing all these crazy things happen like the wildfires in California, the wildfires and in Hawaii and the flood that just happened and Hurricane Helene. And I mean, it's just, for whatever reason, this stuff seems relatively new and getting the info out there like you're doing, I mean, it's gonna take a lot of education to build any trust at all. And so, I mean, I think you're being. I feel like you're being as transparent as you possibly can be. And like, I've scrolled through your ex account and it does seem like you're trying to answer every single question. But, you know, by going on the media and I think it's. I think you're just gonna have to continue doing that, you know, to educate, you know, and get other Parties doing it, but, man, man. Well, Augustus, I appreciate you coming. Like I said, I just wanted to hear your piece. We literally just did that interview, what, a couple weeks before this happened. And. And I had expressed that in the interview. I was like, this is what everybody's worried about, you know, and then it happened. And. Yeah. So I want to offer you the opportunity here. You're a new Christian, right? I'm going to offer you the opportunity to lead us in prayer for the families and the kids that are going through this hardship in Texas. Thank you so much.
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Augustus Dorico
Heavenly Father. We're praying for the families in Texas, for the children affected, for the children that are with you now, for the consolation of all the families that have lost, for the first responders and rescue workers that have seen so much and been through so much and have sacrificed so much to save lives when they could. Lord, we're praying for safety and peace. We're praying that natural disasters don't befall the people of Texas like this again or anymore or anybody else in the world. Would you help to make us resilient in this time so that we can stick through the difficulties that come when tragedy strikes? We're praying for communities to rise up together so that they might be able to help one another, their brothers and sisters and you when they do lose. For all of those, not just the first responders, but for all of those people in government that have tried to help, for all of the families that have made food trains and that have donated and that have tried to participate in the relief, we thank you. Would you please provide us peace and resolve? Would you help us to be true and kind and generous to our neighbors in this time? And would you help for us to get closer to you in the depths of this difficulty so that we might build a world and a country and communities that better resemble the kingdom that you desire, that we live in. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
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Sean
Amen. Well said. All right, Augustus. Well, I appreciate, appreciate you making the trip out here and giving us your piece and educating us on your side of what happened. And thank you. And just one last thing. I just want to reiterate that donation link to help the families and the tragedy that's happened down there. Links in the description. And I hope this episode gets a lot of money to the people that need it to rebuild their families and their homes and just all the tragic events that have happened down there. So please donate. Absolutely need your help.
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Augustus Dorico
Thank you, Sean. All right. Jim Rome takes on sports.
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Sean
Why?
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Augustus Dorico
Because you're not playing me with rapid fire.
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Sean
Takes ain't a lot to get to.
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Augustus Dorico
And I'm not sure you're gonna like all of it. Honestly, I don't even care care if you like all of it or not. I have a job to do. Scorching debates on any given week, you have lots to beef about. Take advantage of it. Get up in here.
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Sean
He's the spitfire of sports smack.
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Augustus Dorico
She's not my fault.
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Sean
We will get to all of that. The Jim Rome show podcast.
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Augustus Dorico
Get up in here and we'll beef later on.
- [50:46]
Sean
Quote your beef. Follow and listen on your favorite platform.
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Augustus Dorico
You've been warned.