#248 Jon Delaney - Who's Protecting Jeffrey Epstein's Secrets?

Summary

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Shawn Ryan Show #248

Guest: Jon Delaney | Episode Title: Who's Protecting Jeffrey Epstein's Secrets?

Date: October 27, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Shawn Ryan sits down with Jon Delaney, the founder of "Real News, No Bullshit," to tackle the decay of media credibility, the manipulation of narratives (both foreign and domestic), the invisible hand of propaganda, and the persistent secrecy shrouding the Jeffrey Epstein case. Through a candid, wide-ranging discussion, they break down how modern journalism is being weaponized, how foreign and corporate influences have infiltrated even independent outlets, and what can be done to reclaim truthful information in the "psyop age." The conversation is unvarnished, skeptical, and ultimately hopeful about the role of independent voices and human connection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins and Purpose of "Real News, No Bullshit"

[01:10-04:58]

• Jon Delaney, not a veteran or official, launched Real News, No Bullshit out of frustration with media division, echo chambers, and headline spin.
• The turning point: the chaos and division of January 6th made him realize he needed to broadcast unfiltered news, not just to friends but to larger audiences.
• “We've got to get back to a place where people can start treating Americans like Americans again. We're far from that, dude.” - Jon Delaney [24:11]

2. On Faith, Personal Growth, and Accountability

[05:13-11:19]

• Delaney discusses his current spiritual search; grew up Catholic, now reading the Bible daily.
• Offers a Civil War-era Bible to Shawn as a symbolic gift (“Both sides blamed each other, but the church just burned. Fits what we’re talking about – everyone blaming each other.” [07:16])
• Shawn recommends “Jesus Calling” for plainspoken guidance.

3. Propaganda, Bias, and the State of Modern Media

[12:06-23:10]

• Delaney’s definition of propaganda: “Just things that are outright bullshit that they're pushing.” Gives examples from his Ukraine coverage.
• Notes that the majority of media, globally and in America, is now driven by interests, not facts.
• "I would say propaganda is any form of manipulation of the truth to include lying... that also includes withholding truth." - Shawn Ryan [16:30]
• The American media landscape: stories painted to fit red/blue narratives, with crucial facts often omitted to fit preconceived stories.

4. Echo Chambers, Algorithms, and Information Siege

[31:58-36:20]

• Both agree older generations (esp. Boomers) are stuck in single-source, unsalvageable echo chambers.
• The algorithmic “cage”: social platforms only feed users topics/narratives they already agree with, further polarizing.
• “You can tell when you’re in a cage when every other post is all the same subject... it’s a specific one-sided narrative about that subject.” - Shawn Ryan [35:53]

5. Building "Real News, No Bullshit" – Internal Practices

[37:05-41:12]

• Delaney’s small, deliberately contradictory staff ensures a balance of perspectives.
• Each story is crafted by at least two writers with opposing views, then synthesized.
• Final publishing control rests with Delaney to filter out strong individual biases.

6. Double-Edged Sword of Independent Media

[42:27-54:55]

• The breakdown of trust in Corporate Media (especially starting with the Trump “fake news” era and COVID-19 suppression of alternate theories) led to a boom in independent outlets.
• Yet, the "rise of independent media" is now plagued by profit motives: most outlets, left and right, are activists chasing clicks, not journalists.
• “All activists, mini-CNNs, mini-Fox News... They’re not journalists.” - Jon Delaney [54:59]

7. Influencer Payments and Engineered Narratives

[64:12-79:44]

• Detailed exposé (with evidence) of “influencers” receiving direct payments to parrot specific talking points, especially around SNAP benefits, soda bans, Trump imagery (see Influenceable marketing company example: [64:20-73:44]).
• Many influencers did not disclose payment, betraying their self-described “independent” status.
• This practice is rampant on both right and left; extends to celebrities acting as campaign surrogates, but with less transparency/danger.
• “If you’re taking money and pushing news, calling yourself independent, you’re not independent. You’re owned.” - Jon Delaney [72:38]

8. Foreign Influence – The Real Front Line

[79:50-115:50]

• Direct government outreach:
  • The UK directly approached Delaney, offering exclusive access to shape stories about UK policy issues for an American audience ([81:39-87:17]).
  • Delaney questions the ethics regardless of ally/adversary status: “If it’s okay for them to do it, is it OK for China, Russia, Qatar, Israel, too?” [91:16]
• Covert foreign influence:
  • Offered large sums (up to $40,000) for stories in China via a US marketing agency, under the auspices of a Chinese government entity ([96:54-101:37]).
  • Highlighted Russia’s use of US-based PR firms to secretly pay influencers for Ukraine war narratives; mentions DOJ investigations.
  • Israel, Qatar, and other Middle Eastern states are named as heavy payers for social media influence, often using US intermediaries and sometimes offering $7,000+ per post.
• All sides weaponize division and manufacture favorable narratives—often under the public radar.

9. Weaponized Bots, Comment Section Manipulation, and Digital Warfare

[133:22-144:01]

• Explains the rise of “bot networks”—from OnlyFans spam to sophisticated copycat accounts with entire fake digital lives.
• Bots now steer comment conversations, generate polarizing content, mimic human users (sometimes including friends/family connections).
• Some bots even interact with other bots, creating the illusion of real debate under posts.
• “You might be arguing with somebody that's not even real.” - Jon Delaney [138:01]
• Touches on cutting-edge physical tactics: attempts to jam Manhattan cell towers using fake phone calls, likely foreign actors.

10. Societal Fallout and Solutions

[144:01-end]

• Massive distrust: Nuclear-armed states sit at a “table” where some hide their firearms (real intentions), making the world less stable.
• Modern life is increasingly dictated by algorithms, attention capture, and weaponized information.
• The only counter? Human connection and critical self-reflection.
  • “All you can do is be the person to set the example.” - Shawn Ryan [115:50]
  • “Get out of your echo chamber. Challenge your thoughts.” - Jon Delaney [118:54]
• Delaney and Shawn both advocate for reading/listening outside one's comfort zone, seeking human interaction offline, and holding all sources—mainstream and independent—accountable to the same standards.
• Suggests possible long-term solutions: bipartisan executive leadership, algorithmic transparency, societal patience as younger, more skeptical generations replace older ones tethered to old narratives.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Media Propaganda:

  • “It's hard to zero in on what's true and what's not. You know, you might say one thing and the guy behind you has a different story.” – Jon Delaney [17:07]

• On Social Media Echo Chambers:

  • “If you get stuck in an echo chamber, then you’re basically being herded like sheep.” – Jon Delaney [33:29]

• On Corporate/Foreign Influence in Independent Media:

  • “That’s not independent. You’re owned.” – Jon Delaney [72:38]
  • “If we’re supposed to be what the mainstream isn’t, we’re doing an awful job. This is worse.” – Jon Delaney [105:32]

• On the Epstein Case Cover-Up:

  • “Unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy theory out there, nobody’s going to believe it.” – Shawn Ryan [122:38]
  • “Our government’s done this to itself. It’s the boy who cried wolf. You lie once, twice, three times… eventually nobody believes you.” – Jon Delaney [123:05]

• On Human Connection as the Fix:

  • "You have to show you can have a fucking conversation with someone you disagree with, and it can be a cordial, nice conversation. That's how you make change." – Shawn Ryan [118:48]
  • “Much more unites us than divides us. You just don't realize it because people get stuck in the echo chambers.” – Jon Delaney [159:52]

• On Hope and Moving Forward:

  • “We gotta get back to that. If we don’t, it’s not good.” – Jon Delaney [159:15]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jon’s Origin Story, January 6th Impact: [01:10-04:58, 22:01-24:11]
• Faith and Spiritual Search: [05:13-11:19]
• Defining Propaganda and Media Analysis: [12:06-23:10]
• Algorithmic Echo Chambers: [31:58-36:20]
• Internal Practices at "Real News, No Bullshit": [37:05-41:12]
• Rise and Risks of Independent Media: [42:27-54:55]
• Influencer Payment Scandals; Specific Examples: [64:12-79:44]
• Foreign Influence and Government Outreach: [79:50-115:50]
• Weaponized Bots and Digital Warfare: [133:22-144:01]
• Societal Collapse, Solutions, and Hope: [153:05-159:37]

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Conclusion

This episode lays bare the realities of modern media: entrenched propaganda, weaponized narratives, profit-driven activists masquerading as journalists, and a flood of foreign and domestic manipulation—all feeding unprecedented division and skepticism. Delaney and Ryan’s solution isn’t technical, but deeply human: reject the echo chamber, practice self-skepticism, build real connections—even with those you despise—and demand honesty from every source. As the world’s “psyops” accelerate, vigilance and dialogue—not dogma—are the only way to protect the truth.

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Find Jon Delaney:

• Instagram: @realnewsnobullshit
• Website: RealNewsNoBullshit.com

Find Shawn Ryan:

• The Shawn Ryan Show
• @VigilanceElite

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Transcript

[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

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[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

Sean.

[Sean Ryan]

Real news.

[John Delaney]

No. Yeah, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, I love your page.

[John Delaney]

I appreciate it.

[Sean Ryan]

I don't know how I found it. I think. I think. How long have you guys been around?

[John Delaney]

We started up in 2020. Excuse me? 2021. Right before the Biden administration came in. And I kind of got into it. I tell you. I, I, I. You want me to get it right into it?

[Sean Ryan]

No, I was gonna say we'll get into the. We'll get into why you started it. But I think. I think I found you.

[John Delaney]

It.

[Sean Ryan]

I had to be, like, right when it first came out, because I've. I was gonna say I found you during COVID I think I found you during COVID Really? Yeah, because I was looking. Embarrassingly. I've bought off on the whole, you know, narrative for about the first two months.

[John Delaney]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

I was the. I was out there spraying the packages with Lysol and doing all that, and then. And then I talked to some buddies of mine that were down in Florida, some fellow SEALs. We did a zoom call, and they started. So I didn't have any. I didn't have any cable tv. I still don't. Because I've always thought. Well, not always, but I thought the news is completely full of.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

For several years now. And. But anyways, so I. So I never. We just don't have cable because I'm like, it's worthless, right? And. But we did have air tv, so when Covid came out, I was. I had air tv, but the only news station we got was abc, so, you know, what?

[John Delaney]

That was?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, you know what that was.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

We're all gonna die. Everybody in Italy's dead. The hospital beds are completely death tracker number. And. And then I talked to my buddies and I'm like, I think, I think. I think I may be off on this.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And.

[Sean Ryan]

And anyway, so I started looking for different sources on social and yours must have popped up. And dude, I love what you guys are doing.

[John Delaney]

I appreciate it.

[Sean Ryan]

It just seems like straight facts, no spin, no opinions, no analysis, just this is what's happening and that's it. Right.

[John Delaney]

And here's what this guy's saying.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

Here's what that guy's saying.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

Figure it out.

[Sean Ryan]

I love it, man. So for anybody listening, Real News. No, on Instagram is where I follow you, but.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Are you guys. Are you. Are you on X and everything else?

[John Delaney]

We're on X. It's kind of, you know, X is full of a bunch of bots. Yeah, all that. So we've kind of geared away from it. I also feel like X is a little bit too loud, too much on there. We're gonna jump back on it because I. I feel like I haven't found anyone on X that's just keeping it real. Um, but just that. And then we have a website that's pretty much it.

[Sean Ryan]

Right on.

[John Delaney]

Thing.

[Sean Ryan]

Let me give you an introduction here.

[John Delaney]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

Man John Delaney, founder of Real News, no bullshit, a platform dedicated to delivering unfiltered news on global events. Self made entrepreneur who started young turning ventures like selling fake IDs in high school and other hustles into life lessons. An old soul who grew up fascinated by the news while your peers were into cartoons. A tr. Truth seeker who transformed a personal Instagram account into a news page. Now employing others and focusing on real stories amid media noise. Not a decorated veteran or official, but a man with scars from life's mistakes. Exploring faith through daily Bible reading and committed to staying on a path guided by a higher purpose.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, How'd that.

[Sean Ryan]

How's that?

[John Delaney]

It was good.

[Sean Ryan]

Right on, Right on. But. All right, John, so a couple things to get through before we get started. Dude, I've heard about these Vigilance Elite Gummy bears.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Made in the USA. Legal in all 50 states. Not that you have to worry about that in California, but. And then we just came out. These are. We've released these a couple years ago and then didn't do it again until this year. But I think you're gonna dig these Vigilance elites more bites. Those things are like, worse Than crack.

[John Delaney]

Really? Okay, man. Well, I have a gift for you, Sean. Dude, I love G. It's an interesting story. Before I give this to you, I told you I'm trying to figure out what I believe in right now.

[Sean Ryan]

Really? What do you mean by that?

[John Delaney]

I don't know. I grew up Catholic, but I. I just.

[Sean Ryan]

You talking like, God, Jesus, what's it all about?

[John Delaney]

I haven't figured it out, but I'm trying to. And good friend of mine that you could. You could envision him. He's like the Dan Bazerian of my friends, right? Yeah. Told me recently his name's Dom, that he's reading the Bible every day. And that shocked me, because this is not the guy I would expect to be reading the Bible. And I said, shit, if he's reading the Bible, then what the hell am I doing with my life, right? So I recently picked up a Bible and I'm reading a page a day.

[Sean Ryan]

Good for you, man.

[John Delaney]

And my goal is I want to go after the Bible. I want to read everything. Because I don't know. But I don't subscribe to the idea that we're just all here because of a big explosion. There's gotta be something. There's some sort of creator, and I want to find something that I believe in. But with that being said, I know you're a man of faith, so I have this gift for you that is a piece of American history. That is a Bible that was pulled out of a burning church during the Civil War in 1864.

[Sean Ryan]

Pulled out of a church during the Civil War in 1864.

[John Delaney]

Burning church. So the story behind that Bible goes is that in 1864, there was a church in Jacksonville, Florida. And at the time, a bunch of Union soldiers were sent up from South Carolina to go to Jacksonville and to basically get control of Jacksonville. And they called the town at the time was a Copperhead town, which means there were rebel sympathizers. So their job was to go in there and basically get everything under control. And the church got burned down. And the interesting thing is nobody knows who burned the church. They both blame each other. You got the rebel sympathizer said the Union soldiers did it. The Union soldiers said the rebel sympathizers did it. But the reality is the church burned. And for what I think we're going to talk about today, it kind of fits well, because I think both sides are blaming each other for everything. So.

[Sean Ryan]

It sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[John Delaney]

It does. So I. You know, I was gonna get you, like, an Antique gun or something. I said, you know, Sean has too much. Too many guns. And I know you're a man of faith, and hopefully that should be in a museum, I think.

[Sean Ryan]

But, dude, this is. Thank you, man.

[John Delaney]

I appreciate it.

[Sean Ryan]

This is awesome. So you're into it. You're reading a page a day. How many Pay.

[John Delaney]

How many.

[Sean Ryan]

How long are you.

[John Delaney]

You know, I'll be honest with you. I was slacking a little bit. I finished. I think I'm maybe 25 pages in. But there were a couple days I didn't get to it, and I was making excuses for myself. And then somebody told me, you can listen to it on. On audio. Yeah. So now there's no excuse. So I go through two to three chapters a day. I restarted because I didn't know there's a difference between. Is it NVE and or nvd?

[Sean Ryan]

I'm no expert, man.

[John Delaney]

There's different.

[Sean Ryan]

I know there's a lot of different versions.

[John Delaney]

Different versions of the Bible. And you have to understand, like, I'm starting this, and I don't know. So I'm reading some King James version where they talk very eloquently.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

And it's kind of hard for me to. You know, what does this work? Why?

[Sean Ryan]

You know, what does it mean?

[John Delaney]

Give it to me in a more digestible.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, I got something for you. Hold on.

[John Delaney]

All right.

[Sean Ryan]

So I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed to say that. Dude, I don't understand the Bible. Like. Yeah, I just. It just.

[John Delaney]

I don't either.

[Sean Ryan]

It doesn't say, I'll read a page five times in a row. And I'm like, I have no idea what this means.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

I. I have to have somebody to explain it. So this book was given to me. I've sent this to, like, anybody who's a really good friend of mine who is trying to. Trying to figure it all out. So here. This is called the Jesus Calling. And it's only about what Jesus said. You read one little less than a paragraph in the morning when you wake up. I like to read it before I go to bed. And it's just. Just give it a shot. It's not a big lift. It makes sense. It's not hard to understand if a dummy like me can. Can. Can.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Can get it.

[John Delaney]

We're both there, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Just see how. How it makes you feel.

[John Delaney]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

And appreciate it. Just see how it makes you feel and makes me feel really good. A lot of times when I read it, I feel like it's. I feel like it's like fucking talking to me.

[John Delaney]

Like, really?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Like, it's a direct reflection of what I just went through in the day. That's why I like to read it at night before I go to bed.

[John Delaney]

So.

[Sean Ryan]

But, yeah, very plain terms, easy to understand, low lift and give it a shot. Yeah. Just see how it makes you feel. But, dude, I'm happy for you. That's awesome.

[John Delaney]

It's something different. And I, you know, I. I hope I can figure something out. Yeah, we're all on this path.

[Sean Ryan]

Just lean in, man. Lean in. But. All right, so I got a Patreon account. It's a subscription account. It's quite the community. They've been with us here since the beginning. And really they're the reason that I get to sit here with you today. And so one of the things we do is we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. This is from Kirk Powers. From your experience in analyzing different media sources and their content over the last five years, what percentage of the modern day media output resembles propaganda instead of factual news coverage?

[John Delaney]

I don't. Was that Kurt? That was a packed question. Two ways I want to go about this. If we look at. Let's look at international media, a lot of them are either state controlled, state affiliated, state owned, state funded. Right.

[Sean Ryan]

So.

[John Delaney]

You would naturally assume that those outlets have some sort of agenda or narrative that they're pushing that would push what someone might define as propaganda. But the thing that's interesting is how do you define propaganda? Right, Very interesting. Because I went to Ukraine and I did a documentary about the war in Ukraine, and I wanted to talk to both sides, Russians and Ukrainians. But at the time, there were a lot of Russians, a lot of Americans in Russia that were getting arrested journalists. So it makes it hard for me to go to Russia. But we did some remote interviews, and one of the interviews we did was with a doctor who worked for the Wagner group. And this is the first time it kind of ties together to what he was asking. This is the first time I ever got my dose of holy shit. Like, this is what propaganda looks like. He said, just come to Moscow instead of doing this virtual interview, because it's hard to hear you. You know, this. Just come to Moscow. After Ukraine. I said, the, we're not going to Russia. You guys are locking up journalists left and right and calling them spies. His response, I, I thought he, I. I was so shocked. He said, what are you talking about? What do you mean, what am I talking about? He's like, we're not locking up American journalists. I said, it's all over the news. What are you talking about? We've arrested two and they were spies. Haven't you seen all the stories and the, they caught them red handed and there's videos and this and that. And I'm like, what the hell is this guy? I know the accusation that they were spies, but what are you talking about? Yeah, our media, our news, they've shown all this and that. He said, and this still fucks with me to this day. He said, I'm more concerned for you when you go home. And I said, what do you mean by that? He's like, don't you see what they're doing to you guys and your people they're arresting? At the time President Trump was being, he had all that criminal cases against him. So they said, look what they're doing to your politicians. Look what they're doing to. I believe at the time, was it Matt Taibbi that was getting audited by the irs and it was very questionable how he got the audit or they were looking for him or whatever. So all these things and this guy's throwing me all this information and I'm like, wow, you live in a totally different reality. And it made me like after talking with him for so long, it made me start to question, am I being lied to because the propaganda is so good? So going back to his question, I would say, what's your definition of propaganda?

[Sean Ryan]

What's your definition of propaganda?

[John Delaney]

Just things that are outright bullshit that they're pushing. So for one example, when the United States carried out some strikes in Yemen, I believe it was when Trump came into office a couple months in, there was accounts on X posting AI generated images of them shooting down an F35 that was the size of straight up bullshit. I mean they're generated images and they're pushing this out and they've got bots amping it up. And I think something like that is easily definable as propaganda because it's clearly not true. And they're pushing it to create some sort of a narrative. But it's hard because, you know, I absorb a lot of news.

[Sean Ryan]

I would say propaganda is, is any form of manipulation of the truth to include lying. And that also includes withholding truth. You know, so, you know, all the nuanced shit that we see in the media today and they, you know, they paint out these, they paint it out to one side and yes, there facts involved in what they're reporting, but however, there are a lot of facts that they Leave out that. Paint an entirely different picture. And that's for both sides. That's for the entire world.

[John Delaney]

Right. And that's the problem. You know, I look at journalism as you're painting a picture to somebody. And depending on where you get that picture from, it might be a little heavier on the red paint or the blue paint, or it might not even have that color. And so it's hard to really narrow down how much of it is bullshit and how much of it isn't, because everybody has a different story. Like right now, for example, I was just talking to Jeff about this. We had an article the other day about Secretary Hegseth is talking about giving Ukraine new firepower, quote, unquote, firepower. And the big talk right now is that we might be giving them Tomahawks. Don't know how much you've been following that. But prior, when Biden was in office, they were saying if you give medium range missiles, not even Tomahawks, that could lead us down to the path of nuclear war. And we're now at Tomahawks, possibly. So our media right now is talking about is that there's the possibility we might be doing it. But what's really interesting, and they're saying they would do it because Putin's refusing to stop the war. But what I like to do is, and I want to say, well, what's Russia saying? And anybody can do this, and I encourage everybody to, because you should be open to everything. And Russia is painting this narrative right now, whether true or not. I don't want to give my direct opinion on it, but that Trump has switched on Russia and is now going towards Ukraine. But the reason why is because, and it's very convincing that they're telling their people is the US doesn't want the war to end because the military industrial complex is making shitloads of money off the war in Ukraine. So that's why Trump has flipped and is willing to escalate the war and continue it to go on. And that's, I was telling some, just some people, Americans about this and they said kind of sounds believable. And that's what they're telling their people. So the thing is, is you're gonna get a different side of everything no matter where you look, and no one's ever really gonna give you the full picture. Yeah. And it's hard to zero in on what's, what's true and what's not. You know, you might say one thing and the guy behind you has a different story.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, yeah, I'm very, very familiar with it.

[John Delaney]

It's tough.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, so if you had to put a. You know what I mean, a percentage. What. I mean, what. What percentage of the media do you think is full out propaganda?

[John Delaney]

I. It's hard to give a percentage.

[Sean Ryan]

But you say it's the overwhelming amount.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, it is, because it's. Everybody has a different interest, everybody has a different position. I mean, to be honest with you, naturally, I'm an American citizen. I would naturally have interests that I would want my country to do well, because I live here. I would be lying to you if I said that I'm not somewhat pro American in a way. Yeah, right.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, that's good to hear.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. But you know what I mean, so take somebody else, maybe a Russian journalist or a Chinese journalist, an Iranian journalist, an Israeli journalist. They all have. I mean, they have an invested interest to make sure, you know, you have a family, things have to go well for you. And that's the hard part, is trying to figure out what's true and what's not. And I take a different approach. I don't think I should be telling you what the truth is. I think I should just give it to you, say, here's everything, here's the entire picture.

[Sean Ryan]

Here's all the narratives, here's all the color.

[John Delaney]

Now what do you believe? And that's what I think's lacking in the media, like what I do, Sean. I'm not a genius. You know, I was the dumbest kid in my class growing up. 1.7 GPA, struggling through high school. I was an idiot in middle school. I've only read one book my entire life.

[Sean Ryan]

Are you serious?

[John Delaney]

One book.

[Sean Ryan]

What was it called?

[John Delaney]

The Art of Not Giving a.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, now you're reading the Bible.

[John Delaney]

That too. Listening to it. You see? So. So it's. It's not hard to do this. It's just. It's. For some reason, I think a lot of people feel like they have to give their opinion or their. Their stance. And I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I'm an expert.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

But I'm a good listener. What, Mo.

[Sean Ryan]

What was the motivation that got you to start real news?

[John Delaney]

No, it's a couple things. I. So I started posting the news. I had a. An Instagram at the time. They call it a. So it's funny, there's Instagrams and then there's Finstas. Have you heard of that? No. Finsta is like what they call. It's like a fun Instagram. So you're a little more raw, I guess, with your friends. So I started posting to my friends the news, because I recognized that none of them were paying attention to what was going on in the world. They were kind of, like, clueless. So I started just saying, hey, guys, you should be paying attention to this. Like, this is crazy. Like, look at this, look at that. And that started building, and friends started referring friends. So I had more friends start following me because they were interested in the news and they wanted it in a digestible, easy to read. Here's what's happening. Here's what this guy said, and here's what that guy said. And it slowly started building on my personal Instagram. And over time, it became more than just friends joining me. It was friends plus now their parents. And I'm like, okay, I got something. But what did it for me? And I want to be clear. Like, I'm not giving an opinion about what happened this day, but the day January 6th happened, I cried because I saw that. Like, dude, we're so divided, right? I get emotional. It's sad. But I was like, what the fuck is going on? Everybody's so defined, whether you're left or you're right. I just said, dude, I can't. Like, what do I do?

[Sean Ryan]

Mm.

[John Delaney]

So I said, I'm gonna make an Instagram account, and I'm gonna make this bigger. And I was mad. I was mad. What. What angered me the most. It wasn't just about people going in or whatever. People say it was peaceful. Some people say it wasn't. I'm not here to debate that with anybody. But what I am here to tell you is that the division that was amplified that day from both sides was sickening. And I said, we've got to get back to a place where people can start treating Americans like Americans again. We're far from that, dude. We're super far from that. And it's getting. Every day, I think it's getting worse. So I. After January 6th, when I saw that and then I saw. I saw social media, Republicans are blaming Democrats, and Democrats are screaming at Republicans, and the media is spinning it their ways. You know, you turn on CNN and they've. They've got their view, and msnbc, they're paying it, like, this is insane. And then you've got Fox News painting in a different way, and you've got people saying different things and getting mad and screaming and yelling. And I said, what the fuck is going on? What are we doing? You know? So that was. That was the day I was like, we need to. We need to find a way to get people informed, and we need to find a way to maybe try to get people to see both sides. Because I think the echo chambers were too loud. I mean, it's true. And I want to be clear. Some people in my listeners be like, he's saying that January 6th was an awful thing, or he's not talking about the FBI agents. You're not understanding what I'm saying. You're not on my level.

[Sean Ryan]

I've never discussed that on here.

[John Delaney]

But my thing is this, and I want to be clear. I'm a reason. I'm not going there.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

Because that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. You're getting tied up in all the noise. I'm talking to you right now as an American, not as a Democrat, not as a Republican. I'm talking to you about somebody that lives here. That was a shitty day. And it's. It's one example of. Of just.

[Sean Ryan]

It's sad.

[John Delaney]

It is. It's sad.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, it's sad, you know, but how. I mean, so you. You started this because of January 6th, basically.

[John Delaney]

It wasn't specifically January 6th, because I was into it before I was posting the news, because I. I realized my friends weren't paying attention to what was going on in the world. But what pushed me to then say, okay, I'm taking this to the next level. Instead of just posting this to my friends, I'm going to try to reach a bigger audience. So I was always into this. But what pushed me to then say, I need to get out there. I need to. This can't be just some little private thing that my friends get to read because I can't change, you know, couple hundred people, right? What's that going to do? I need to try to get a little louder. So I. I still remember the day I started it, man. I. I was pouring rain. I was in. I was at a gas station, and I said, you know it. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make a news account. And I'm sitting there and signing up the account, asks me, it says, what are you going to name this thing? You know, what's the username gonna be? And it was. Didn't even think about it. Real news. No bullshit.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice.

[John Delaney]

And that was it. And then, you know, it. It's crazy where it's gone. Like, I. I still sit every day. I'm like, this is not real.

[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

But I think there's there's a huge craving in this country right now for just the news. And what I'm doing is not crazy. I'm not revolutionary. I'm not. I'm just literally telling you this is the picture. Here's some color on the red, here's some color on the blue. Figure it out. I'm not here to give you the answer. A lot of people in this.

[Sean Ryan]

I think what you're saying, and I agree, I think I know what you're saying. Basically what you're saying is you are not telling people how to think or what to think. You are presenting them with whatever's out in the ecosystem at the time. You don't put a spin on it. This is what's happened, right? This is who's saying that. You, you make your own damn mind up. That's what I try to do here.

[John Delaney]

Right. And it's interesting because a lot of people aren't used to that.

[Sean Ryan]

They have to be told how to think.

[John Delaney]

I think they're spoon fed information.

[Sean Ryan]

Yep, I think that did. I think we've lost a major. I think we've lost the majority of the older generations. I don't think those are salvageable.

[John Delaney]

So what do you mean by that?

[Sean Ryan]

I think what I mean by that. What do I mean? What I mean by that is my mind right now is how do we salvage it? You know, you're trying to salvage it through real news. No bullshit. I'm trying to salvage it through a couple of different ways. Talking to both sides, not telling people how to think, letting them digest the information. Very much similar to what you're doing, but taking a look at it from a 30,000 foot view. When you see people, lots of people who continuously get their information from only one source, only one news station, that typically is the baby boomer generation. Their world has been flipped upside down. They don't know what to think. They are brainwashed, insalvageable, brainwashed voters.

[John Delaney]

Right.

[Sean Ryan]

That's what that is. That are. That are incapable of.

[John Delaney]

Absorbing another view.

[Sean Ryan]

Exactly.

[John Delaney]

And that's why I tell people, and I hope you don't mind if I say this, if you're listening to this and you lean left or right or middle or you watch. Let's say you watch CNN or you watch Fox News or you watch msnbc, because that's what you like and that's what you believe. Great. Good for you. Do me a favor, take 30 minutes out of your day and go watch something completely counter opposite to that. Why? Because you need to challenge your thoughts. If you get stuck in an echo chamber, then you're, you're basically being herded like Sheep, right. So I have friends that lean left and right. I tell them all the time, go listen. Like, I have a very liberal friend. She can't stand. Like, I could just pull somebody younger though. So I said, go listen to Benny Johnson for 30 minutes. I could never do that. Do it. Make sure you believe what you believe. I have another friend, super conservative, go listen to those girls on msnbc. Did I can't do it. Why? Just prove yourself that you're right. Prove that what you believe is what you believe. And a lot of people need to do that. You need to be diversifying your news sources because it's too, there's too much, unfortunately, there's too much noise in it today, you know, with this rise of independent media and we'll get into this, there's a lot of activists masquerading as journalists. And you've got to now get out there and pick a handful of the ones you like and a handful of the ones you don't agree with. Because you'd be surprised when you get stuck in your echo chamber how much you're not hearing about other shit, you know, people will say all the time, I had no idea about this. Well, maybe it's because you listen to CNN all day or Fox News, you know, they leave things out. Remember I told you, they paint a picture. They might not include that, that stroke.

[Sean Ryan]

Or that line, but it can be, you know, to their credit. And I'm dealing with this right now, the album. It's not just mainstream media. It's also. You were just talking about independent. You know, it feels like, you know, the algorithm will put you in the, in a cage.

[John Delaney]

It's dangerous.

[Sean Ryan]

It's a cage. And you know, you, you can, you can tell when you're in a cage when every other post is all the same subject. Right. You know, and it's not just the same subject. It's just a specific, it's a specific one sided narrative about that subject.

[John Delaney]

Right.

[Sean Ryan]

And you are encapsulated inside of that algorithm. You cannot navigate your way out.

[John Delaney]

It's immense control and it's truly. I don't even think people understand the scope of it. And it could be weaponized very easily. And we get. Sometimes some people will say, you guys only post right leaning stuff or you only post left leaning stuff. I'm like, no, we post both. It's just your algorithm is cooking it up to you the way that it wants you to see it go. Actually tap and read. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's interesting. You're right. It's. The algorithm has a play in it. There's a lot of things that.

[Sean Ryan]

So how have you set your team up? How have you set your team up to be real news?

[John Delaney]

No, we started with four, we're down to two plus me. And then I've got some part time people, but I have two people that write for me that don't agree on anything.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice.

[John Delaney]

But you know what's special about those two people while they don't agree on anything politically, one's got blue hair and one's a super right leaning guy. You know what I mean? Like that you would never. The stereotypes for both sides. That's what I have. And while they don't agree on anything, they're friends and they can work together. So what I do is I write a little bit, but they mostly write. And let's say I have somebody write something. I don't want to name her, but let's say she writes something, I'll say, hey, now you write this. Go, go, go. Add your flavor to it. Right? And then what I kind of do is I take both and I put it together. So I have two writers myself and then some people when we do our documentaries. But it's, it's very, it's a tight ship, dude. I don't need a lot of people. Yeah, don't need, you know, how do.

[Sean Ryan]

They find their information?

[John Delaney]

They search the web. I mean they read news like everybody else reads news. You know, obviously you can't just, just rely on AP or Reuters or whatever, but they'll, they'll go ahead and start looking into a topic. Watching press conferences, you know, that's something we do a lot. We're watching a lot of video all day. All these hearings, all these, you know, everything that everybody else is absorbing. And then we're, we're kind of observing then what the left and the right is saying or if it comes something international, maybe what the US is saying, the prevailing argument. And then we'll go take what that country is saying or those people are saying. We kind of just, I kind of look at it as like a book report. It's very, it's. Our stuff's very standardized. It's. We give you an intro sentence, we give you sometimes a paragraph about some you should know. We always say, some you should know before you dig in. Just some really foundational information that brings somebody up to speed. And then it's just, here's what this guy said, here's what that guy said. And that's what's going on. It's not like a whole huge process on how we do this. And because of that, I figured the less people you have in your bubble, the better. Less drama, less bullshit.

[Sean Ryan]

How do you keep them from putting their own spin on things?

[John Delaney]

They all naturally have their biases. I think that's when I come in like, we're here right now and there's no news being posted while this is being recorded. Why? Because I'm the final one who has a say on what goes up. That's a double edged sword. See, like that gives me a lot of influence over my people because technically I'm dictating what my people are seeing. But I have this view that both sides suck. This is a game, right? There's a saying that there are two sides of the same coin. Very true. And I think that kind of gives me the ability in a way to just take the best arguments from these guys, the best arguments from these guys and just put it together. But yeah, they do have their spins. Totally. But that's what, that's, what's the beauty of having two people that don't agree on anything working for you? Because you get two really good arguments.

[Sean Ryan]

How many times are you guys posting a day?

[John Delaney]

Depends. Four to six times a day. We got on Instagram and then on our website doing like five to six articles a day. I mean these, these bigger news outlets, they're doing 30, 50. Yeah. But a lot of it, I think is a lot of noise. A lot of the.

[Sean Ryan]

How fast are you growing?

[John Delaney]

We're going pretty fast. Seems like it, it's been, it's technically since then to now. We're almost at 1.6 million followers.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you guys have a newsletter by chance?

[John Delaney]

No.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, you need to start a newsletter. Really? Yes, you need to start a newsletter.

[John Delaney]

We just, all we do, man, is like, I haven't really refined it because I just, I, I'm in a way, I'm in a position where I just want my news to be accessible. And I didn't really get in this to make money. I, I genuinely wanted people to wake up. And I think as time has gone on, you know, we've just, we've built ourselves on Instagram. Man. I haven't spent a dollar on marketing. Wow. Not a dollar. It's the name. Yeah. Which when I first started, a lot of people told me, you got to change the name. No one's going to take you seriously. I'm like, I don't give a, I don't give a. Why? Why? It's just what it is. It's real news with no, just. Yeah, you take it.

[Sean Ryan]

Let's talk about the double edged sword of independent media.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, I have a very interesting take about the rise of independent media. And to get to that, I think we gotta step back just for a second and talk about how we got here. I believe that the rise of independent, or what I like to call new media began when the first spark, I think is when Donald Trump announced his run for president his first time. And the word fake news kicked it off. That's from what I've. Now I'm young man, I'm not old. And so it could have been before that someone might listen to this and say, oh, it started way before. This is from my view. And when Trump became president, we had this war between Trump and the media. And I think whether you agreed with the media or you agreed with Trump, it was opening people's eyes to the possibility that maybe some people are biased. I grew up watching CNN when I was a little kid. When I was six, seven years old, that was my thing. I loved watching cnn, stuff like that. And I never noticed that they had a bias till Trump announced his presidency. It was obvious. And I also, at the time I was so young, I didn't realize Fox News had a bias that was pro Republican. But as you get older, you start figuring those things out. But when Trump ran, it was crystal clear that there was this rise of clear bias in media. And that along with him battling the media throughout his presidency started leading to people looking for alternate sources. But what truly lit the fire was Covid. I believe that when Covid kicked off, there was an active effort to suppress information that was valid. And I'm not going to get into. I know there's a lot of people that have a lot of different views. Here's one fact that I point to. We got penalized by Meta and almost lost our account for talking about the Wuhan lab leak theory. Was it two months after Biden came into office, almost lost her account. Okay, now I believe it's today is it with low confidence, the CIA says that it could have been a lab leak. You know, information changes. But you know, the mainstream media at the time wasn't talking about that. That was a conspiracy theory.

[Sean Ryan]

Yep.

[John Delaney]

Right. You never saw that shit anywhere. And so that's one example out of many where I think people really started opening their eyes and they're like, why.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think they covered that up? Why do you think that was the forbidden fruit that you're not Allowed to.

[John Delaney]

Talk about the Wuhan lab leak.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. What is it about the Wuhan? Why don't they want that coming out?

[John Delaney]

I mean, your guess would be as good as mine, but I would personally think that if the public had an idea that China was making biological weapons, right? Because that was the whole idea they were working on. This, this whatever, that would maybe freak people out. That's, that's. That's a reality I don't want to live in where we have foreign governments making bioweapons.

[Sean Ryan]

There's. There's always been foreign governments making bioweapons.

[John Delaney]

Right, But I think, I think, I think.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, Syria has been gassing its own people for.

[John Delaney]

Right. Ever. Right? I mean, it could be something like that. It could be. I mean, what is, is the public going to demand that the United States do something? What does that response look like at the time, too? Something really interesting. Maybe it could be this, you know, just coming in my thoughts. When Covid kicked off, where were we getting all of our, all of our PPE stuff?

[Sean Ryan]

China.

[John Delaney]

So can we talk about China when we need all that? Can we? I don't think so. Look, what's going on right now with China as we're sitting here talking, they have a monopoly on rare earth materials that we use to make missiles to airplanes, to the shit in your phone, right? And they're, they're putting export restrictions on that stuff. What do you think China would have done if we came out off the bat and said, you fuckers leaked it out of a lab. You now let me buy 5 billion masks from you? What are they going to say? They're going to tell you to go kick rocks? I mean, or are they going to just take the money and keep doing business? I don't know. But I mean, your guess is as good as mine. It could be anything. You know, there's a prevailing theory that China, that was being pushed in China, and I've seen this theory, I haven't looked into it, that it leaked out of some U.S. facility. Have you heard that?

[Sean Ryan]

University of North Carolina.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. I haven't done my research on it, but I was like, oh, that's really interesting because we're saying it leaked out of Wuhan. They're now saying their conspiracy theory, quote unquote, is it's coming out of someplace in North Carolina or wherever, you know, so it's, It's. I don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I've heard that theory. I mean, I don't know. I think China has got us cornered in a lot of different ways. And, and you know, they don't, I don't think they necessarily need a reason to pull the plug on us.

[John Delaney]

Do you think Americans realize that?

[Sean Ryan]

I think that a lot of them do. Now.

[John Delaney]

I tend to think that Americans have no idea the level China's at right now.

[Sean Ryan]

I think the listeners of this show have an idea. But, you know, and, and I, I think that they, I think that people are waking up to it. I mean, you know, 20. Was it 20.

[John Delaney]

20.

[Sean Ryan]

20, yeah, the 2020 election, you know, it was also, it was also, you know, leading up to xenophobe. You know, all in the debate. You weren't allowed to say it. And it would correct, it would correct you. Yeah, you know what I mean? It would correct whoever was talking about it. Paint them out to be some, some mass racist, you know, against, against China when we're just having, you know, discussion. But.

[John Delaney]

Right. And that's how it should be. You should just let people talk.

[Sean Ryan]

But afterwards, you know, right after the election, you started seeing, you know, Democrats started taking China more seriously. It was almost like if you guys not been listening to the president for the past four years, he's been talking about this non stop. Then he was labeled xenophobe. Then the next guy comes in office who's on the other side and all of a sudden everybody starts taking the seriously.

[John Delaney]

And yeah, I look at it really interestingly. I think we're seeing right now we're in some scary times and I don't think people realize it. You've got a western rules based order and you've got an eastern rules based order that is now wanting to come up. I tell people when I started giving the news to my friends, I always would break it down in analogies because I feel like I had to get them to understand a little better. And that's. The United States has undoubtedly been the only chef in the kitchen for a long time. And what we're seeing now is China saying, hey, we want to cook too. The question is, is what are we going to do? Are we going to allow them to cook or are we not? And I would argue that based on everything that's going on right now, the US Isn't willing to give that up. And that can lead to some scary. And I mean, dude, look at, look at what's going on right now. I mean, China is, they're building up, man. It's, it's, it's, it's not even. They used to say that we would always be ahead. Now I keep hearing they'll be caught up to us in five years. Trump just said it a couple days ago. So it's inevitable. I don't know. It's coming though. And that's scary right now in space. I don't. Something I've been watching a lot. It's not getting a lot of attention. You know, they got satellites in space stalking all of our satellites. Stalking is the words they use.

[Sean Ryan]

I have assumed that. I did not know that.

[John Delaney]

They've admitted it, top generals, that we have Russian and Chinese satellites for following our satellites every movement. And you know what that tells me is this world might not be as stable as we really think it is. And that's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. I don't. I live every moment of my life now because the next 10 minutes isn't guaranteed. That's scary to hear. But when you see like that nobody trusts anybody. Yeah, nobody.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

And I look at, look at the news, look at what's going on. I mean it's, it is and it's. I don't, I don't know. I mean it's sad. Sad.

[Sean Ryan]

What are the pro. Let's get to the, let's get back to independent media. I mean, what do you think the pros of independent media are?

[John Delaney]

Look, I think it's important to have alternate sources of information that aren't controlled by like the big five. What I mean by the big five is there is media like Disney owns certain news outlets, Comcast owns news outlets. They're all under their umbrella, Salem Media, which I don't even know if it's possible to show you. They're the. One of the biggest in the country. Nobody really talks about them. Have you seen that video where all the reporters are saying the same shit at the same time?

[Sean Ryan]

About a hundred times.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. That should scare the shit out of people, right? I hope you can show that that is why independent media is important. That video is the perfect example for it because everybody's reading off of a script and that's being disseminated across America. Back to your, your original person's question. This propaganda, that's propaganda, you know, that's like some Soviet level shit happening in America. So the pros of it, obviously we have just an independent, not controlled by a certain entity being able to give out news. But so you get that, you get analysis, you get different things and you can kind of bend rules a little bit. When I say bend rules, maybe it's not the etiquette to be a regular journalist and follow Certain rules or have to do this or that. So there's some bending that I think can maybe lend a better picture for people. But I also think that there are a lot of cons with it.

[Sean Ryan]

Are the cons.

[John Delaney]

It's. It's interesting coming from me because you would think I would. I would think this is great. But there are a lot of people in this space right now motivated by money. Yeah. Because everybody's in it to collect a check. If you open up wherever you get your news right now, focus on an independent creator. They're all activists. I have not to this day, actually there's one person I've found. But everybody is basically these new independent creators and news journals or whatever, they're just. They're mini CNNs, they're mini Fox Newss. They're activists. They're not journalists. And they're towing their party lines. And I can give you some examples off the bat that go both sides of this. When President Biden was in office, fact, he relied on influencers to push the Inflation Reduction Act. Brought them to the White House. Right. They made some chick that hides under a desk. I don't know if you've seen her on Tick Tock talking about how great the Inflation Reduction act is. I wonder if she was paid another one. Recently we got a ping pong, right? The all the journalists who got invited to the White House to parade the Epstein file.

[Sean Ryan]

What a fucking disaster that was.

[John Delaney]

Fucking disaster.

[Sean Ryan]

Holding that shit up like it's a trophy.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And what did we get? Nothing. What a show that is. Yeah. Continues to be a show every day, man. And it's bad. It's bad, dude.

[Sean Ryan]

You know what worries me about independent media in mainstream is, is, you know, you're right. Everybody's, you know, everybody's driven by money to some extent. Right?

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

But you see like people will go down rabbit holes and you, you don't see them come out of certain rabbit holes. And then it becomes the thing and they can't leave it. You know, they can't. They can't.

[John Delaney]

It's a drug.

[Sean Ryan]

Yep.

[John Delaney]

It's.

[Sean Ryan]

It's what the audience expects from them. They get. I don't know what happens because I like to keep it. You know, we. We'll hit a. We'll hit a subject and then we're headed a totally different subject. And you know what I mean? I don't dwell in the same. In the same subject matter for long. I like to bounce around because every subject can become the one thing that you're known for. And you see that with a lot of different subjects right now. You see it with COVID you see it with Jan6, you see it with Israel, you see it with China, you see it with blm, Antifa, you see it. And then it's bam, bam. That's all we talk about, is that one thing, that one thing. And then you got to start getting creative to pump out new content, and you got to start, you know, where I'm going. Like, eventually the facts run out, or you never run into the facts. So then it starts theory and then.

[John Delaney]

Conspiracy, and then a conspiracy makes money. Yep. That's the issue. Goes back to what I was saying. There are a lot of people in the space chasing a check, and there's a lot of money in here. Okay. I've been lucky enough in my life that, you know, I've always been doing different stunts and entrepreneurial. And I. I've. I used to chase money when I was growing up. And once you kind of start getting some of it and doing some things, I've had some successes here and there. That doesn't motivate you anymore. So for me, I don't really give a. I really don't. I mean, I don't want to be losing, but a lot of these people that are in here, they don't have that. They don't have maybe another nest to go to. And so what do you got to do to make money? How do you make money as an independent news creator? Two ways. You either sell subscriptions or you sell your soul to. We went to subscription route. We have people that subscribe to us that pay for a little extra news. But the other way to do it is you sell sponsorships. Now, some sponsorships can be great because they don't influence what you're talking about. But a lot of it isn't. A lot of it is people that are getting paid right now. Sean, this is a real thing. And I can show you where people are being paid to talk about news.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, yeah, we've seen it. We've seen it.

[John Delaney]

There's a perfect example. You.

[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So let's start domestically first, domestic influence first.

[John Delaney]

And then we'll get into the foreign.

[Sean Ryan]

Right on.

[John Delaney]

And I want to be clear, like I've, I've got one example that's going to lean more to the right, but it's on both sides. I'm just picking the most recent example. Cool. To give you. But there's a company called Influenceable.

[Sean Ryan]

Influenceable.

[John Delaney]

Influenceable. And they're a basically like a marketing company that goes out there and tries to create noise release for marketing campaigns. And they're getting a lot of shit online because they've been involved in political campaigns, campaigns to drive policy and whatnot.

[Sean Ryan]

So this is influenceable. How are they reaching out to people? Is it email? Is it social media?

[John Delaney]

So I'm going to show you some stuff that I pulled. This is to give you some background. X is a cesspool of a lot of people who think they're. How do I say this?

[Sean Ryan]

The resident expert.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, they're armchair quarterbacks that don't know shit. And I, and you know, it's funny, I listen to a lot of them like, what's X Spaces? I'm an X space fiend. I love listening to these guys pontificate bullshit. And I'm sitting there fact checking them just as they're talking and they're all full of. Okay. But with that there's this like rivalry among some of them. They don't like. I might not like you because you're taking away from my audience. There's a lot of that. So this came out on X. This got aired out like laundry. This company called Influenceable. Allegedly. I want to be really clear.

[Sean Ryan]

So allegedly.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. If you guys are coming to sue me, allegedly you can. And this is all on X. They pushed a campaign allegedly that was trying to convince people to not allow the government to overregulate and get involved in where people were buying soda with. Let me read it. Exactly. This campaign highlights the dangers of government over regulation with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. So do you remember when RFK was pushing to stop using SNAP benefits to purchase the ice cream soda, all that shit. So this is actually, this is one of these conservative news influencers aired out everybody's dirty laundry and called everybody out. I think personally I think he's just as guilty. But other people called him out for what? A lot of these news accounts, because they were more right leaning, started posting on X. I'll start giving them to you. Sorry, read this. I'll just give you both. Read both. Those are just two examples. All right.

[Sean Ryan]

All right. So this. All right, so you want me to read these?

[John Delaney]

I mean, why not?

[Sean Ryan]

So this is Eric Daugherty. Important we cannot allow Make America healthy Again messaging to be used to force needy Americans ended not buying certain things. Some officials in D.C. are working on trying to prevent Americans on SNAP from using those benefits to purchase any soda. Remember when New York City Democrats tried to prevent people from buying and consuming soda? It backfired big time. President Trump literally has a Diet Coke button in his Oval Office. Let people think and decide for themselves. Anyone can consume soda and be perfectly fine in moderation. Unless we're just going to ban every food with sugar in it for SNAP Americans.

[John Delaney]

This is another account, one of the most popular accounts on X, not Jerome Powell. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Government overreach strikes again. This time it's soda's turn. They want to. They want to restrict soda purchases through SNAP this time. This is an unwarranted attempt by the government to dictate what Americans can or cannot consume, which is an overextension of government power and a violation of personal choice. Even President Trump likes to drink his Diet Coke on a daily basis. The government needs to stop over regulating what Americans can or cannot do. Can I read the initial. Yeah, so this is from.

[John Delaney]

That was the initial campaign that was allegedly sent out and this guy named Nick Sorter, which. I've got my opinions on him, I can give you later. But he aired all this out saying, look at all these guys in my realm that are doing this campaign and that are pushing the same messaging. Because that's when RFK was talking about potentially trying to restrict SNAP benefits to purchase soda and other. And then all of a sudden you have all these accounts and what's. If you compare both messages, what's something that they both talk about? Trump Diet Coke. Trump Diet Coke. It's.

[Sean Ryan]

Let me just read this real quick. So this is. This is allegedly the.

[John Delaney]

What?

[Sean Ryan]

Like this is.

[John Delaney]

That's allegedly the. The pitch that was given to all these influencers.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. Soda bans and government overregulation objective. This campaign highlights the dangers of government overregulation with a specific focus on current efforts to restrict soda purchases through food aid programs. The narrative emphasizes how such regulation is an overreach that unfairly targets consumer choice, especially considering the President himself itself is a diet Coke enthusiast Key messaging. Government overreach. Efforts to restrict soda purchases through SNAP are an unwarranted attempt by government to dictate what Americans can or cannot consume, which is an overextension of government power and a violation of personal choice, personal choice and freedom. The right to make personal food and drink choices should not be restricted by government bureaucracy. Consumers, especially those relying on snap, deserve autonomy in their purchasing decisions. Economic concerns Limiting soda purchase will likely harm beverage companies, retailers and food suppliers, especially those who catered to low income Americans. By relying on SNAP benefits. Trump's preference for Diet Coke. Trump himself regularly enjoys Diet Coke can be used to highlight the ridiculousness of these regulations.

[John Delaney]

So pause for a second. The fact that those two tweets are literally hitting the point on that document to a T. And here's the problem. None of these people disclosed that they got paid. And this is, this is the instruction.

[Sean Ryan]

I wanted to say one more thing that I find interesting here. Then it gives you key resources. These look like links that you can download images or maybe some towards videos. So it says key research, key resources. And we'll post, we'll post this up so people can see it. Another war on soda. How bureaucratic overreach threatens Trump's working class coalition. And then another link, Trump with Diet Coke image. So.

[John Delaney]

Come on dude. To here's. And then here's the instructions on how they would submit their work at the end.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, it's. Oh it's submittable.

[John Delaney]

Okay, well how they go to get paid essentially.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay, if you submit posts after the campaign deadline, it will still count as missed. Is a missed deliverable. Missed deliverables are deducted from your base pay. It is very important we have all deliverables so we can utilize this in our campaign overview. And then yeah, it just has a bunch more points. All posts must show likes. Do not hide likes. If these are hidden, you will only get paid. 50% of your offer pages must be sent to page public. We cannot compensate for posts on private pages. Yeah, it's all typical. Typical ad campaign guidelines basically is, you know, this is right, ad campaign guidelines.

[John Delaney]

But they're pushing. These are news influencers who consider them independent. That's not independent. You're owned your own.

[Sean Ryan]

So where, where, where are these coming in from? Are these from email? I mean I'm curious.

[John Delaney]

So they come from email. And by the way, here's the kid like Eric Daughtry kid, after he got called out, he admitted he got paid. That's the tweet.

[Sean Ryan]

Eric Dougherty. This is the guy oh, this is. This dude.

[John Delaney]

This is the same guy. So I just read. That's how he acknowledged he got paid.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, that was dumb of me. Oh, wait a minute. So Nick Sorter exposes him. Exposed Influenceable. The company cutting big checks to influencers on behalf of Big Soda. Over the past 48 hours, several large supposedly MAGA aligned influencers posted almost identical talking points. Fed them to convince. Fed to them convincing you Maha was. That's a show more. It's got clown world. It's got our Eric Daugherty here.

[John Delaney]

So he ignored.

[Sean Ryan]

Eric responds, yes, that was dumb of me. Massive egg on my face. In all seriousness, it won't happen again.

[John Delaney]

Wow. Good job. Good job, buddy. So that. And that's just one. So like this. This is going on also. These were what these offers look like. This is a guy.

[Sean Ryan]

Right on.

[John Delaney]

Who exposed one of these offers. They offer you 50 bucks to talk about whatever the topic is. Okay. And so this is.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, the name's been redacted here. Blank is still under attack by the Republican establishment and the Democrats. Another Blank is a patriot and spent his career fighting for America first values and law and order. Now it's time we return the favor. Offer $50 deliverables. One original tweet on this issue. Messaging. Then the. There's a link timeline ASAP by end of day Wednesday, July 26th. Submit after completing the deliverables. Here's. Here's the form. So the thing is, you know, this is actually. I mean, I don't know if we have any of these. I think when we take another break, I'll get the emails from you and I'll just have our. Yeah, my people dig in.

[John Delaney]

I haven't had. I want to be clear. I haven't had influenceable contacts me. But because it looks like they're targeting people on the right now. With that being said, I just gave you one example. This happens on the left too, okay? So I don't want people to think I'm just going after the right, but this is happening on a large scale and I think they're really going for people that are loud and noisy to their basis.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, I don't think this is a. This isn't a new thing. And I think it's not a new thing. People don't. I think people think it. I mean, look, we saw what Beyonce took a big check from Kamala and supposedly she didn't during, you know, the election race. And I mean, this. This stuff is happening all over, you know, But I don't. I Don't think people realize that it's happening for $50.

[John Delaney]

But it's not even that, Sean. The problem is, is this Beyonce taken a check for comp from Kamala? Is it bad? Yeah. Is it wrong? Yeah. But is Beyonce pushing news and calling herself an independent journalist? No. So when these people who give shit all day to the mainstream media, which sometimes it's rightfully deserved and claim to be the new media and are fighting the corrupt from the mainstream media are then selling their asses for a couple hundred dollars.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

What are you. What are they? Yeah. They're just as bad.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

If not, I would say even worse. And you know what? It makes me wonder. Can you imagine? Maybe. And I don't have proof, but, like, has the mainstream media been getting offers like this for a long time? Maybe from big pharma, maybe from other companies? Yeah. You know, I don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, I think it's pretty obvious.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. Yeah. But my point is, is, like, this is what's happening, and there's. There's influence that's being bought, and a lot of people in this space are just. They're chasing the check. Mm. I was telling your producer, I'm in a position where I don't have to chase a check. Mm. Okay. That's rare, I think, in this field, because it's hard to make money. Dude, it's not easy. I mean, starting a news outlet, A lot of people might think we get paid from Instagram. I haven't gotten a cent. Okay. Instagram doesn't pay me. I only get paid if people go subscribe to us. Those people are taking the deals because they don't have subscribers. And I get it. They got to make money.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you get? What do you. I'm just curious. I have not checked out your website. I should have checked that out before. I just. I. I see you on the gram.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Whoever's behind there, I message back and forth with them. I don't know if that's you.

[John Delaney]

We shoot the.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, but. But. But, I mean, what do you. I'm just curious. What do your subscribers get?

[John Delaney]

They're essentially paying for double the news. Okay, so what we tell people is this. Like, look, we can't do this for free. I have people to pay, and you know my. So I have to give them something. So what I give them is a little more noose as a thank you.

[Sean Ryan]

Gotcha.

[John Delaney]

But, you know, Sean, my goal is one day, I hope that I can get this to a level.

[Sean Ryan]

And I.

[John Delaney]

Haven'T figured out how I would fund it, but I don't think people should have to pay for news which is contrary to what I'm doing right now. I think information should be as openly available as possible. But I'm in a position right now where, without the subscription.

[Sean Ryan]

I got a great idea. I've heard Israel and Qatar are paying $7,000 a post to talk about whatever bullshit they want in the media right now.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. I'd be the first one to tell you. I haven't gotten an offer from Israel and China. We're going to get into that yet.

[Sean Ryan]

And Russia.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. So the thing is, is this.

[Sean Ryan]

And the Democrats, they're all doing it.

[John Delaney]

And you know, the thing is this, Sean, this isn't a regulated space. And listen, I'm one of the first people to tell you I hate when the government comes in and starts fucking with things. Okay? Because I have this view that usually when they try to help you, while they're helping you, they're stabbing you in the neck and something else is going to happen. The question is, how are we going to regulate this? And I've listened. I spent a lot of nights, man, I go out every night. I sit in my Jacuzzi and just look up at the stars and think about the world. I've spent so many days trying to figure out how do we fix this without them going overboard.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, let's go. Let's go through the rest of the. Yeah, let's go through the last of the influence and then we'll come up with.

[John Delaney]

Let's get into some foreign stuff for foreign influence.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, this is really bothering me. This foreign influence with Middle Eastern countries. Yeah, Israel, Qatar, Saudi, China, Russia, like everybody, they're weaponizing. What is going on. Yeah, what is going on?

[John Delaney]

So I, I'm. Today, I'm coming here and part of the thing we're going to talk about. I have been contacted by foreign governments, either directly or indirectly, to do news stories in their countries or to post news. Like how those guys were. Right. But either about topics in their countries or them just wanting to. For us to go to their country and show something to our audience.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, yeah, we've had that, too.

[John Delaney]

We've had. Yeah, See, I'm sure you have.

[Sean Ryan]

You know what, you know what's interesting, though is I'm just. We tried to get the PM of, of Qatar really hard. Like we, we were talking to them. We were in there. They weren't going to pay us shit. I wouldn't take payment anyways.

[John Delaney]

Right.

[Sean Ryan]

But they wouldn't let us Fucking do it. We tried to sync it up with when we went to Taiwan. We thought it'd be a great, you know, pit stop on the way home. Hit, hit, hit. Cutter. But they didn't go for it.

[John Delaney]

Why? Do they tell you why? Or they just didn't respond? I can't.

[Sean Ryan]

I can't remember. It was, you know, it was.

[John Delaney]

So there's four. We've had foreign governments literally reach out to us. Like, when I say reach out to us, I. There's one I'm going to show you an example of today and then there's one that we'll get into. This was a DM we got on Instagram from the UK government.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you mind if I read it?

[John Delaney]

Read the whole thing.

[Sean Ryan]

UK Home Office. Hi, team. Hope you're well. The Home Office are currently looking to partner with trusted outlets and pages such as yourselves to increase awareness around the vital work the government and law enforcement are undertaking to keep the public safe from crime. This is the uk. As a result, we're looking to explore new collaborative opportunities to create authenticity, authentic digital content with partners.

[John Delaney]

If you feel.

[Sean Ryan]

If you feel appropriate, it would be great to discuss this in further detail over email or call you, or call if you're able to provide the best point of contact. Many thanks, Fatma Social Media team and Home Office. So, I mean, what.

[John Delaney]

So that was a dm, right? And I couldn't believe how brazy that was. I'm like, they. They literally DM me off of the UK Home Office's Instagram. That's crazy. So I told Trey, who works for me, I said, trey, I can't believe this. Just. Just entertain it, get it in an email. I want to know more. So Trey being the wizard, he is right, he starts contacting her and we got her to an email. This is her.gov.uk email.

[Sean Ryan]

I can't wait to read this shit. UK where people are getting their heads cut off with.

[John Delaney]

Read the date.

[Sean Ryan]

Knives on bridges. Hey, Troy. Hi, Trey. This is Fab mom. Following up on the chat on Instagram, you've asked for more information on what our collab could look like. We basically work in different policy areas with topic you might be interested in talking about. These include crime and policing, migration, homeland security and tackling violence against women and girls. Oh, because that one, this is. This must have been right after that one.

[John Delaney]

Pause. This is the biggest issues in the UK right now that people are pissed about that. There's a lot of division over migration, illegal migration, violence against women. Those protests have been all cooking over this and also the. The crime. So what's interesting is this woman.

[Sean Ryan]

Let me. Can I finish?

[John Delaney]

Go, go.

[Sean Ryan]

I've outlined below what we could be, what we would be able to give you access to and more broadly, what working together could look like. Ministerial access. Exclusive interviews and sit downs with our ministers. Exclusive clips. Home Office digital lobby Offer you embargoed press notices. Operational footage. Exclusive digital clips. A chance to cover a Home Office breaking story as news breaks. Access to trusted voices. We could potentially look at setting up exclusive interviews with trusted voices. We regularly take media on operational opportunities to cover a breaking story. For example, this includes immigration enforcement raids, illegal working police raids. Case studies and influencers. Offer access to influencers we work with in our policy areas or be a part of our work with them. Offer access to case studies. This also is a non. This also not an exhaustive list. We're always looking for new opportunities to collaborate. Let me know if you have any questions. Do they offer you any money?

[John Delaney]

We didn't get that far. That was the last email. I just wanted it on email.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[John Delaney]

But my brother who works for me and I don't know, they said that they have a screen, they could put it up. He did some digging. So it turns out that Lady Fatima works for a migration organization that promotes people migrating and she want. I don't know if. Do you have a screen? Is that, is that a thing? Yeah, they'll throw it up. I could find it, but essentially. Actually, I'd like to read it to you. So she, she works for a company apparently called Migration Jam. And Migration Jam is a migrant led collective utilizing the power of ethical storytelling and intercommunical dialogue to counter the mainstream negative narratives about migrants and refugees. She also works for the UK government. Okay, that's her. That uses on Google you can go look her up. And she, it says that she's a Yemeni entrepreneur. Whatever. My point is this. She's contacting us to potentially go to the UK to do a story. Okay. Some people might not have, might not have a concern about that. I think that's morally wrong for a foreign government, whether it's an ally or an adversary, to reach out to a news outlet and not only say, we want you to come here and do a story, but here's the topics we think you should talk about, which are the big issues right now in the UK that are being talked about in the US right now. You have to ask yourself, why would the UK want to target an Instagram account that's US based that has almost 1.6 million followers to talk about the UK's problems.

[Sean Ryan]

It is interesting, isn't it? Why do they give a. About the. I mean, are there, you know, maybe a little out of scope here? But, I mean, I don't see much pushback from the citizens of uk, do you?

[John Delaney]

I have. There's. There's been protests. Have you seen the protests they're getting?

[Sean Ryan]

I did see one protest. I can't remember what it was about.

[John Delaney]

There's people getting pissed off there.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, we had this guy. This totally. I wouldn't say it's irrelevant, but just an example. We had this guy, Jay Cowan. They are basically. He. He was an SAS guy over there. They're like, charging him with murder or some like that from, like, past war crimes. Ridiculous. We met him in Dubai and. And got his story out. And, and the.

[John Delaney]

The.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, they're railroading these guys. They're basically, you know, so basically, here's the gist of it. Obviously, the Muslim demographic in UK has. Has risen exponentially.

[John Delaney]

Correct. True.

[Sean Ryan]

I think everybody pretty much knows that.

[John Delaney]

True.

[Sean Ryan]

You know, now what's happening is they are. They are trying their military members and more specifically their special operations guys for war crimes against Muslims. But it's just the. That they asked their guys to do, and now they're prosecuting them or they're trying to prosecute for orders they were given. Yes, yes. And you know what? So we did this. And this has happened in all kinds of guys. None of these guys want to fucking speak up. To be honest with you, I almost didn't do this interview because these guys don't want to talk. So we had to have a long talk with Jay and say, hey, like, you're gonna have to, like, get articulate here and be specific on what's going on. None of this, you know, vagueness. And he promised me we would do it, so he did it. You know, I've not seen one SAS guy stand up for this dude. Not one. And I've talked to several of them, and they all tell me, oh, yeah, that's up. What's going on? I can't believe this. This is happening to everybody. So it's not like he's like, you know, a turd, and nobody wants to help them. They are too scared to speak up for their own rights and their own freedom. It's. It's. It's in these. In these. Pains me to say, these are the. These are the most badass people that the UK has to offer. It's their sbs, SAS and They'll DM you and they'll tell you how up it is that they're doing it, what they're doing to Jay, but they won't say a word in public.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So what? I mean, what hope do they have? And these are Tier one operators. Scared, toughest to back their own guy. They're you. You know what their motto is? He who dares, wins. Wow, What a fucking joke that is.

[John Delaney]

It's that powerful.

[Sean Ryan]

The institution there is that powerful.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And I mean, look, I personally. Me.

[Sean Ryan]

If not one guy.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Not one guy came out and spoke on his behalf, said anything. Nothing. Not a peep. So what hope do they have?

[John Delaney]

Tells you how it is.

[Sean Ryan]

None. I have no hope.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

What are they gonna do? The most violent, badass individuals that you have in your entire country are too fucking scared to speak up for their own. What? That's not how you create change.

[John Delaney]

No, it's sad.

[Sean Ryan]

Sorry to interrupt.

[John Delaney]

No, no, no, it's good that you said that. But, like, so this is. Some people might watch this and say, well, this is an ally that's just wanting to do this. I don't give a fuck. This is totally unacceptable. Let me tell you something. If it's okay for them to do it, is it okay for China to do it? Is it okay for Russia to do it? Is it okay for Qatar to do it? Is it okay for Israel to do it?

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you think.

[John Delaney]

Why.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, just UK specifically? Why do you think they give a shit? I mean, their citizens aren't rising up. Maybe they did a protest.

[John Delaney]

There's. I wouldn't say they're rising up, but there is definitely right now, a. A wave being created because there are some people that are pissed off and there are some protests that are getting bigger. And there is. There's a big push around. Nigel Farage, that'd be an interesting person for you to talk to. Actually, there's this. There's people in the UK that aren't happy. People are getting locked up. Have you heard about. And I'm not well, first in it, but there's this. All. This is big online debate that the UK is now arresting people for speech.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, yeah, I've seen. I've seen.

[John Delaney]

There was a comedian that got arrested and tied up in it, and Joe Rogan was speaking pretty passionately about it. I think. I think what they're arresting them for is inciting violence. I think that's the terminology. That's dangerous. That's a dangerous road. You're going down and going back to that email, it's very interesting how they were very specific about certain topics that are big issues in the UK right now and they want to portray it to Americans. The question is, like you said, why do they want Americans to know?

[Sean Ryan]

Why do they care? Why do they care what we think?

[John Delaney]

Interesting. There's been people in the US that have been openly talking about the problems in the uk. Elon Musk has brought it up a couple times. Donald Trump's been asked about it with Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister next to him and he says, well, we'll have to look into that or I hope that's not true. So it's coming up. So I would assume they're trying to somehow control the narrative in the US to pipe it down maybe, or to show that it's not as bad as it's being portrayed or I don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you think the motivation is though? They have no problem talking shit about the US Pretty much non stop. I mean, I go to Europe, they all hate us. You know, it's not all of them, but a lot of them, you know, they can't stand us. So what do they give A.

[John Delaney]

Your. Your guess is as good as mine. I mean, I'm not going to tell you what I. Because I don't know. And maybe, maybe she can come on and tell you. It'd be great if they'd show up.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, we got her email now.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. Now ask her. And this is going to start a lot of man, I haven't been to London yet. I want to, to go to London and walk around. That's gone, you know, But I don't know, I don't know why, but, but take that example and let me give you some others that I've dealt with too.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, I'd love to hear this.

[John Delaney]

Now these ones I can't show you and I'll explain to you why. This was a direct reach out by the UK government. At the end of her email she says I can't share it if she wants to sue me. Let's go. The UK government's going to sue me. That's a badge of honor for me. Okay? So it come get me.

[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

The other ones that we've had reach out to us. They come not through the government directly, but what they do is they use US based influencer marketing companies. Like for example, Influenceable. I'm not saying, I want to be really clear, I'm not saying that that's happening with them, but a company like that that has these online campaigns, this is going to blow your mind. Last, around December of last year, we got contacted by a US based influence marketing company that offered us $25,000 and the potential to make up to $40,000 to do a story first. They said it's in a country very broad. They want. They said it would be.

[Sean Ryan]

We're in a country.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, no, yeah, it's, it's a story. In a foreign country, you get $25,000 to go. They cover your flights. There was a stipend related to hotels. You know, it was very, and, and the, the topics that were going to be discussed. You would talk about infrastructure of this place. You would talk about daily life and you would talk about, you know, just, just the history of where you were going. I said, sounds interesting. $25,000. Where the fuck is this? You have to sign this NDA.

[Sean Ryan]

You have to sign an NDA before they even.

[John Delaney]

That's how these guys. Well, you sign two NDAs. The first NDA you sign is to even talk to them, okay? Because they don't want to be exposed. And then they say for, if you're interested in this, we'd have to disclose to you some information. Sign this too. So I signed two. I'm going to break one of them here. But I can't break who the US based company is because I know they'll sue me. We got contacted by the Communist Youth League of China.

[Sean Ryan]

The Communist Youth League of China.

[John Delaney]

Yes, that's what we were told, who they were. Okay, now what is that? It's very Interesting. And to this day, Sean, it doesn't even make sense to me because how I understand what the Communist Youth League of China is, is it's like a incubator to create new Chinese leaders in China. So it's very bizarre to me that that's who they said this was for. But this influence marketing company said, long story short, we want you to go to China specific city. I can't pronounce it right. It's like Chongqing, China. Okay, go there and let's. You're going to talk about infrastructure, you're going to talk about daily life in China, and you're going to give some history about China. 25,000 to go up to $40,000 based on the views that you generate from your content. So here's the thing. Two things. I would never go to China because I. You said you followed us during COVID You probably remember we were posting all the videos out of China when they were locking people down. I have a feeling if I arrived in China, the second I get off that plane, I'm going to be in some shit. Seriously. And I'm confident that they.

[Sean Ryan]

This is a great ransom tool also, by the way, a great scam if you can get influencers to do this shit for. For 50 bucks. Like that one email I just read.

[John Delaney]

I mean, 25,000.

[Sean Ryan]

Great way human trafficking done. Easy, easy lure.

[John Delaney]

Exactly.

[Sean Ryan]

So.

[John Delaney]

And like I told you, I'm not motivated by money, but this was so mind blowing to me. I wanted to know more, so I entertained it a little bit. And what they. It came down to the point where this marketing agency that's based in the US was like, you guys need to make a move on this now, because there's a lot of people that are getting this offer. And you either go or you don't. And I said, no, you. I'm not doing this. Everybody that's watching this, go on Instagram right now and type in Chongqing, China.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you know how to spell it?

[John Delaney]

I don't, but I think I have it saved in my notes.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I realize why you can't just say it, but it is, it is it. Just type it in and you. You see it right off. You see it right up.

[John Delaney]

There are shitloads, Sean, of videos talking about the infrastructure in Chongqing, China, or however the. You say it. And I've. I, I want to be very clear. This is from my lawyer. I can't prove these people took that deal. But everything a lot of them talk about is what I was told to talk about. And it makes me wonder. There's a couple questions to that. Why does the Chinese government want people in America to know about a city? Why do they want people to know about this, the Chinese infrastructure? Why do they want people to know about daily life in this city? Your guess is as good as mine.

[Sean Ryan]

But they need Chinese sympathizers inside this country, that's why.

[John Delaney]

Or are they trying to tell people that what you've been told about China and America is not true? For example, something that I noticed like we have, we have a. On our Instagram. Our comment section is pretty notorious. I don't know if you ever read our comments, but they're fucking hilarious. Great shout outs to the comment section. But there are sometimes when we're talking about China, something that I constantly see, and I'm not going saying it's true or not true, is people will downplay China's advancements. That Chinese jet is shit. It's a copy of an American one. Or they make shit or this and that. And I've been thinking about this. Why did they want this? And maybe what they're trying to do is they're trying to get at that narrative that everything in China is just a ripoff of the US and it's shit. China makes shitty products and these videos of this city will blow your mind. I don't know any American city that looks like it. They got fucking, one of the guys got fucking trains going through buildings and roads are moving and the infrastructure looks crazy. And I don't know, but I don't know the reason why they want that, why they want Americans to see that. And what scares me more, Sean, I've given you two examples of foreign governments coming to me either directly or indirectly. What else are they doing? What else are they doing to other news influencers, what are they pushing? There was another perfect example. Tenet Media, did you ever hear about that?

[Sean Ryan]

No, I don't think so.

[John Delaney]

Just to synopsis, it really quick. Under Biden's doj, they busted this company that was paying influencers to push pro Russian talking points about the war in Ukraine. Paying people millions of dollars. Millions, but same thing. What did Russia do? Did Russia go straight to the influencer? No, they use these marketing U. S based brokers that are the, the in between and they're, they're going. I think the case is still going on. The chicks, the chick who's in it, she's. And she was in on it. Allegedly. I mean she hasn't been proven yet, but. And they were paying these influencers millions of dollars now to these influencers. Like Tim Pool was named in it. Benny Johnson was tied up.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, I do remember this now.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, okay.

[Sean Ryan]

So do remember this.

[John Delaney]

So listen, though, to their argument. They're saying, well, we didn't know that the Russian government was doing this to us. If you believe that, which maybe, maybe that's true, maybe it's not true. It could make sense that they wouldn't know, because why would the Russian. You were in the CIA. Why would the Russian government want influencers to know that they're being paid by them to talk shit on Ukraine? These guys are already so loud, they can't keep their mouth shut. Right. So I actually would maybe believe it that they had no idea. And none of them were actually charged under Biden's doj. Yeah. So there's that. There's also. There's talk. I haven't seen it directly to me yet. There's a lot of. In the news that Israel is paying influencers. I do know that it's a fact that one of Donald Trump's former campaign advisers is listed now as a foreign agent on Fara, and he is working with Israel to. And this is all, oh, you can Google it and read about it to change the narrative about Israel online. And they're paying influencers now. There's talk it's $7,000. I don't. You've probably heard it. I haven't seen the $7,000. I would, I would be happy to show you today if I got it. But I do know that they're paying influencers to push back on rhetoric related to the war in Gaza and Israel's image. And this gets to really, the crux of the problem. This shouldn't be allowed. Okay. And it gets back to what I was saying. If you. If the rise of independent media is supposed to not be what the mainstream media is, then we're all doing an awful job. Because I would argue, Sean, that this is worse. And what scares me is that, you know, look, the only way this country is going to fall is one of two ways, okay? Where they're going to fall because of a nuclear apocalypse that's going to kill us all or from within. And if these people can weaponize influence and create division, right. And are trying to shift narratives and opinions that could be very easily weaponized against you and me.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, we're already falling, man.

[John Delaney]

I know.

[Sean Ryan]

Like that. Make no mistake.

[John Delaney]

I hate to, but, you know, I hate to say that because you know how sad that is.

[Sean Ryan]

It's fucking horrible. Because we are the only light in the world that represents any freedom at all.

[John Delaney]

It's sad, really.

[Sean Ryan]

We're not even. We're not even that free. But we're freer than everybody else in the world.

[John Delaney]

Right. I think these people are lighting that.

[Sean Ryan]

Fire faster if we go. You know what? I don't think that the. I don't know who's pulling the strings on all this. Got some ideas. I think it's. I think it's a group that. A group of different foreign. Foreign governments, not necessarily convoluting with each other all for their, you know, for their specific purposes. But, you know, they. They are dividing, you know, every way they can. And we're doing it ourselves too. I mean, the right and the left are doing a great job of dividing this fucking country. That's obvious. We don't even really need the. The foreign influence. But you know what people don't understand, I don't think, is, you know, that nobody's coming in here. Nobody's coming in here to conquer us. Nobody's coming in here to save us. Maybe the cartels, you know what I mean? Or maybe spies here and there, but it's not going to be like a invasion or something like that. But the purpose of dividing us, I mean, we're seeing obviously a huge rise in political violence. But if this kicks off, let's say we go into a civil war or something, this will make the shit that I've seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, all over the Middle east. It'll look like child's play. But they are. There are so many guns in this country.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So many people that are trained how to use them. Stockpiling ammunition, stockpiling weapons, stockpiling. I mean, there are more guns here than anywhere else in the world. The people and people that know how to use them.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

If you can divide this country enough just to get people at each other in a violent, like an actual violent. I'm not talking about this bullshit blm, antifa, you know, shit, which was horrible.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

But if you like, if you can pit everybody against each other, this will be the most dangerous place in the world by a long shot. There isn't even a government that could infiltrate it because it will become so dangerous.

[John Delaney]

Why do you think?

[Sean Ryan]

Well, and we will just have to live in it. And then we will be.

[John Delaney]

We.

[Sean Ryan]

People won't even have to think about America. We'll have so many issues killing each other. Record numbers. I mean, it just.

[John Delaney]

Why do you think that? Because. Because I think it's a Multitude of things that are dividing us. It's the government, it's our lawmakers, it's the media. But why do you think that our lawmakers are still doing it if they know this? We're not geniuses. We're sitting here and we're just looking at it, Right? The rhetoric.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, a lot of these lawmakers aren't that smart. You know, I think a lot of people. I think a lot of people give them a lot more credit than they're due. But, I mean, there are some. There are some.

[John Delaney]

Special ones.

[Sean Ryan]

They're just not that sharp. Yeah, they're not that sharp. You know, and. And some of the ones that I see getting in there from the. Especially the younger ones, you know, I mean, I. I think that they are selected because they are very easy to manipulate. Won't even realize they're being manipulated.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And it's funny, the reason why I pulled this out, I printed out some news articles for you where the media, both independent and the old school mainstream media, are dividing this country. And I wanted to read you these titles. This is from Fox News. This is a title, not an opinion piece. Liberal journalists, Democrats bitterly seek to discredit Trump's Bronx rally. Call it fake and made up. Okay, whatever. Let's read this. Here's an article from cnn. Excuse me. This is msnbc. Trump is threatening to declare war on the American people. That's a title. Okay. It's better.

[Sean Ryan]

You mean the only thing that people actually read that headline.

[John Delaney]

So listen, listen. This is. I believe this is CNN. Yeah, it's CNN. The U.S. economy has a new problem. Democracy is under siege. And this goes to show, like, what the fuck are we doing? What are you trying to do? We're. I mean, what. People read that and they.

[Sean Ryan]

That's all they read.

[John Delaney]

Right? Because they get stuck in their ac.

[Sean Ryan]

I would bet the vast majority of people in this country do not read past the headline.

[John Delaney]

They all lie.

[Sean Ryan]

Give me a few sentences. They all lie.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. This is something I wanted to show you, too. This is actually great. Do you remember when Joe Rogan went on during COVID and CNN aired his face?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Oh, you're talking about the Ivermectin thing where they, like, made his face yellow.

[John Delaney]

And this is literally. And you know, to this day, they deny that they did it. I know, I know they still deny. But, like, this is my. This is my point. And this and this kind of all correlates to each other. They have so much influence over all of us. And a picture, a title, a Color can influence somebody I even recognize for myself. I can influence my audience very easily. I think what makes me different from a lot of other people is I'm level headed and I'm sick of it all. I hate to use the word hate, Sean. I'm sick of the left and I'm sick of the right because I see through it all. I have this analogy. I tell people, you know, every four years we elect a new government, right? Essentially we get a new president and then some new lawmakers come in. The House will either go Democrat or Republican. I want you to picture a car rolling down a road every four years. We pick who drives to the left or the right. There's only two types of people that could drive the car. We elect somebody to the left with a left government, the car is still going to go down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the left. If we elect somebody on the right, car is going to still stay down that road, but it's going to lean a little to the right. The reality is that no matter who's in office, the status quo continues. People in this country are hungry for change, Sean.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh yeah, I mean, we're talking about foreign influence. I mean, have you seen that APAC advertisement?

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Pull that shit up. It's pinned to the top of their X profile. You think that's helping anybody?

[John Delaney]

I know, it's crazy, all of this.

[Sean Ryan]

We'll overlay it on the screen right now.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, it's my point though.

[Sean Ryan]

That's propaganda right there.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, but the thing is it's. And now. So listen, you're gonna get for that right now. I don't care. No, but so listen, you're gonna get. Because now people are going to say you're anti Israel. But the thing is it's not just Israel, it's everybody. They're all doing it. But what they do is they hound in on the one person talking about one. Okay, I'm at the point where it's fuck them all. None of them should be able to do this. This isn't right. And the question is, how do we regulate this? What do we do? And listen, I told you, I'm not one for new laws and regulating press and trust me, I don't want that because every time we try to do something, we end up usually going too far. But this can't continue. The influence can't continue. And you know our founding fathers, when geniuses, when they found this country, right? The Constitution, amazing to think of that back then. The problem is is they didn't think about fucking meta. They didn't know Instagram. They didn't know how it could be weaponized. They were thinking in the moment. And the problem is, we're so fucking divided now that there's no way that I see that we can address all these things without.

[Sean Ryan]

I think about this all the time. And the only conclusion that I've come to is you have to just lead by example. You have to show that you can have a fucking conversation with somebody that you disagree with, and it can be a cordial, nice conversation. Yeah, And I have a perfect example of this. I brought Gavin Newsom on, what, about two or three months ago, got obliterated by my audience. They were so fucking angry that I had him on. I don't agree. I don't agree with much of anything that that guy says, but we had a nice, cordial conversation. It was a great experience. And I want to. I just. And so, you know, and when I took that interview, I wanted to show, hey, you know, we don't have to fucking hate each other just because we disagree on everything. I think a lot of the things that I've seen going on in California, you live there. I don't go there because. But. But I think that a lot of the things that have happened there are. Are disgusting. But I wanted to show that I can have a conversation with somebody that I don't agree with, and I don't have to. I don't have to hate them the entire time. And I want to. You know what fucking came of this? We had a. We had a. Awesome discussion about psychedelic therapy, what it's doing for veterans, traumatic brain injury, ptsd, addiction, all this stuff. We had a great discussion about that on the show yesterday. Gavin Newsom just signed a fucking bill in California that is pro psychedelic therapy. I literally just saw it right before I came down here for the interview. Between me and you, I haven't even read the whole thing yet, but I texted him and I said, man, this is really good to see. Thank you. And he said, big part of that was that discussion we had on your podcast. You know what I mean? And so that's. That what I'm. What I'm. What I'm saying here is you have to lead by example because we can't penalize people. That. That's an infringement on free speech. That's an infringement on capitalistic society. You know, all you can do is be the person to set the example. And that's what I wanted to do with that interview, is Set an example. And look, I set an example everybody fucking hated me for. But look, now there's policy that's happening that's benefiting people that are struggling with traumatic brain injury, ptsd, our veterans, rape victims, addicts. Addiction is obviously a fucking massive problem in California right now. I think that's the only way to solve the opioid fentanyl heroin epidemic is through psychedelics. And look, it's coming to fruition three months later after two people that are complete opposite sides of the spectrum have a discussion. And he's implementing that in his state. That is fucking cool. That's how you fucking make change.

[John Delaney]

And all those people giving you shit. You know what? I would tend to argue they're stuck in those echo chambers.

[Sean Ryan]

Exactly.

[John Delaney]

And that's, that's the problem. And you know what? Get out. Go listen to something else. Go challenge your thoughts. Because if you get stuck in these chambers, you're just, you're just festering in the shit. And you might miss something also too. Goes back to what I said. We got to get back to the place where we're treating Americans like Americans. Again, you might not agree with Gavin Newsom, Right. But guess what? You were able to sit here and talk to him as a neighbor, and we got to get back to that. We have to. Because if we don't, like you said, it's going to get nasty. And it's. And it's the conversation nobody wants to have. But it's true. Like, we can't allow this to keep cooking. Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you have any ideas?

[John Delaney]

I've had, I've had one idea, but I've like, how do we, how do we. It goes more into how do we break this two party system of bullshit.

[Sean Ryan]

Attraction is better than promotion.

[John Delaney]

I've had one idea and it could work, but then I see issues coming after that. I think we need somebody to run for office that picks a running mate that doesn't agree with them.

[Sean Ryan]

But see that happening.

[John Delaney]

But.

[Sean Ryan]

They don't have to come as a complete surprise like Sean, because the RNC or the dnc, we take a.

[John Delaney]

Republican and we take a Democrat and we put them together. And the one thing, they might not agree on everything. But that's the whole point of our government. You have to compromise.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay, well, I'm with you here.

[John Delaney]

And if we, if we took a Republican and a Democrat, that could run together as just Americans. Not as red, not as blue, as red, white and blue. And we got them out there and they, and they worked out of the common goal of just making things better and finding that middle ground and treating each other like human beings, not as enemies, which both sides do. That's the only thing I could see fixing it. But then the next issue is, well, now you have Congress, and the Senate is controlled by Republicans and Democrats. All it takes is a bunch of them to agree on something and impeach your ass. And something I find interesting is they both sides will unify on things. Like right now, a couple things. Where's. Where's the stock trading ban? Why haven't we had that?

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, well, I think we all know.

[John Delaney]

Why we don't have that. You know why? It's because it goes back to my thing. They're two sides of the same coin. We've been. If you're. How long have we been hearing that someone was going to take care of our debt? We're $37 trillion in debt, Sean. Does it even matter anymore? I mean, it. They're just going to dab. It's. It's. It's the constant, and it never changes. And every four years, we hear something else. You know, most. Most recently, the. You know, the most disappointing thing that. That I've seen from my audience right now where they are disappointed. This whole Epstein file thing.

[Sean Ryan]

What a.

[John Delaney]

You had Cash Patel sitting in this chair.

[Sean Ryan]

Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Remember that?

[John Delaney]

A hoax?

[Sean Ryan]

What? Yeah, we're still fucking talking about it.

[John Delaney]

What do you think about that? I have an interesting take, but I want to hear yours. Oh.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but. I mean, what do I think? I think a lot of things.

[John Delaney]

Why do you think right now they're not. I mean, it's. It's. You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to reveal that they're not being transparent.

[Sean Ryan]

I think they have botched this so bad that unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy theory out there, nobody's gonna believe it.

[John Delaney]

Exactly.

[Sean Ryan]

Why haven't you just released it? Just release it? Just release it. Like, what was the last thing? The DOJ is not going to listen to Maxwell at all. Or they're not. They're not even gonna. Like. I heard all kinds of things, I.

[John Delaney]

Think, you know, but look, we've been. Our government's been lying to us for decades, man, about everything. And it's like the boy that cried wolf. You lie once, lie twice, lie three times, eventually you start not believing somebody, and they've done this to themselves. We DMed about this recently. You had a comment on My page. You said that, you know, this is, this is decades of the government lying. I think what's happened with this whole Epstein thing, I think there are parts of it that are true. I, I don't, I don't doubt that he trafficked women. And there are people involved, and not even women. Girls, teenagers. Disgusting. But I, I often wonder, has, has the, the theories that are out there, have some of them been cooked up by maybe a foreign government that wants to sow more distrust? It's definitely possible in the government. And then the question is, is this. We're all expecting all these big names to be in it. And what if that's not what if. What if our expectations are here and what we believe, what's actually there is here, and if they release it now, are you going to believe it?

[Sean Ryan]

No, I'm not. I don't know anybody that would believe.

[John Delaney]

Right. They totally fucked up.

[Sean Ryan]

They've botched it so fucking bad from the very beginning when the influencers went to the White House, holding up the binders like it's some type of a trophy. Like, look at me, I'm in with the administration. Well, buddy, the administration just discredited your entire career. Yeah, good job. And, and, you know, but not only that. Then it was, then it was, you know, the comments. Are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? Yes, we are still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Because you ran half your campaign off getting these fires released. Of course we're still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. You know, then, you know, fast forward. Then there was the footage. They released the footage, but, oh, there's a blip and it's like, dude, are you fucking serious? Are you shitting me? And this, you're going to release footage with a, with its missing fucking time? Like, yeah, get the fuck out of here with that shit.

[John Delaney]

I know. And you know what's crazy? This goes back to. Remember I told you about the Russians saying that he was concerned for me and he was talking about my reality in a different way. I often wonder, this is the stuff he was talking about. This kind of shit, this is the kind of shit we're told that happens in Russia where there's minutes missing or people falling out of windows and people dying and all this crazy shit. And it's, it's, it's right in front of us. Like, you're right, we're missing a minute. This guy gets allegedly commit suicide in a maximum security prison. They don't have the first. I thought at one point we didn't even have tapes. Tapes aren't Showing up. But now there's so many issues. The Bureau of Prisons report that they released is contradicting itself now, based on the video that we've now seen. I mean, like. And even to this day, you know, the thing that really drives me nuts is, like, we had. We have people in the FBI now that previously talked about getting to the bottom of this and being transparent and being real. You had Cash Patel sit here, although I know.

[Sean Ryan]

I'm very aware.

[John Delaney]

And. And, like, look what they're saying. And it goes back to the same thing. It's like, man, dude, this is. And you know what's crazy, too, is the Democrats are riding this. They're saying, look, we want the Epstein files. You know what the question to them is? Where were you four years ago? You guys were in charge. Yeah. You know, but the shitty part is, Sean, now it's being weaponized on all sides. Nobody wants to figure it out. And here's the reality. There's a bunch of young children, teenagers, that got tied up into this shit, and it's now just being used as political points and baggage when people just.

[Sean Ryan]

Are mysteriously dying now, too. I mean, one just got smacked with a bus. One of the victims, right, Just got smacked. Killed with a bus.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And it's. I mean, like, what the.

[Sean Ryan]

So, you know, I think at the court, nobody's going to believe it. Unless. That's why I said nobody.

[John Delaney]

That's why they screw.

[Sean Ryan]

Unless it aligns with the wildest conspiracy out there. But, I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know. What do you think it was? I look at it. I've interviewed Nick Bryan a couple of times. I've talked to, you know, Buck Sexton about it.

[John Delaney]

I mean, the biggest thing that I see on the Internet is that people are saying that Epstein had ties to the Mossad. And all this looks pretty likely. I've often wondered, and I'm not doubting that, but I've often asked myself, is this even bigger than that? And you know this. You were in the CIA. The CIA cannot target American citizens. Right. You're not allowed to touch Americans. Whether it's gaining intelligence on them or whatever, it has to go through with other agencies. And there's a whole process. I've often asked myself if maybe this was a broader operation between a bunch of foreign intelligence agencies, maybe like the Five Eyes, for example, something like that, where a bunch of intel agencies were working together, maybe to unfortunately compromise lawmakers in their countries and abroad so that that could be used as weight to get people to Vote in a certain way or approve funding for certain programs. And, you know, so you can't. A US Agency can't touch a US lawmaker, but. But one from the UK can. I mean, Israel can. I've thought that.

[Sean Ryan]

I've thought this is such a thorn in this administration's side that if it.

[John Delaney]

Was not going away, if it was.

[Sean Ryan]

Kind of what you're saying, you know, what if it was down here? You know, what if everybody's expecting this? What if. I just. I don't know, I could. I could see that. But at the other hand, it's like, this is such. This has become such a problem. I think it's jeopardized the midterms. I think it'll jeopardize the next election for the Republican.

[John Delaney]

For sure.

[Sean Ryan]

I think that this good. I think the Republican Party will pay dearly for how this was, how this has been handled. But, you know, there is a way to make it right. Just fucking release them. And if it's not that bad, just fucking release it.

[John Delaney]

But you got to wonder what it is. It's gotta be so bad that they're willing to. Literally, I mean, like, I. I watched Cash Patel at that FBI hearing. I. I thought to myself, what did he say to himself when he got home that night and closed the door? Because he. I mean, dude, he's just sitting there just. And the thing is, it's. He was acting the same way as the previous directors and how they were all deceiving and they just. You know, they don't even answer questions and they just. They dance around everything. And it goes back to my same point. It's like. It's the same.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Delaney]

And it's all day.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I want to talk about some of these bot farms and stuff like that.

[John Delaney]

Cool.

[Sean Ryan]

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[John Delaney]

So it's interesting for people that don't know bots are accounts, whether it's on x, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, whatever. There are accounts that are not real people that might comment something and there's usually three motives behind what they're commenting. The first type of bots, the most common ones that we see today are the they're the only fans, porn bots that are trying to they'll comment on a post and try to hope that somebody sees that and gets horny and goes to that site. Right? So that's the first one. Those are nefarious, nothing bad, not too nefarious. The second type of bot, which we've been seeing is bots that will pop up and they'll comment about an unfortunate situation, maybe they're in a war zone. Most common one I've been seeing recently is people will claim they're in Gaza and they'll have a GoFundMe and they'll say, please help me, you know, my family is dying in Gaza. Click my page and go to my gofundme and you click these accounts. And depending on the level sophistication of the bot, it clearly will either look like a fake page or they look really real. So, and then there's the, the next level of bot, which is the one that I'm concerned about. And these are bots that comment about topics, news. So internally, and I've never talked about this ever, let's say for example, we, we post a news article on Instagram and right when we hit post, there will be four or five comments. Right after I hit refresh, four or five article or four or five paragraph article with a headline, I hit refresh. It's three seconds, there's a two sentence comment about that topic. Sean, that's humanly impossible. So the question is, what are they trying to do? We have restricted on our Instagram approximately a thousand accounts. Restricting means we, if we find somebody to, to comment something so fast and we're not talking a word, I'm talking sentences within a second or two, that means you're a bot. Yeah, there's something that's not genuine about you. And we've got about a thousand accounts over the three, three years that we started doing that. And what scares the out of me, Sean, is when I look at those accounts, some of them clearly look fake. I have found accounts, Sean, that look like real people to the point where, a perfect example, we had an article about the war in Ukraine and it was giving both sides of Russia and Ukraine and this guy comments three sentences within. I'm talking seconds about how Ukraine, something about Nazis in Ukraine or whatever. And this is humanly impossible. Click his profile. Look at him. He's tagging his wife in pictures. Click his wife. His wife has an account, 600 followers.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh wow.

[John Delaney]

Yeah, dude.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[John Delaney]

These are sophisticated bot networks that have been set up by foreign actors. And, and this isn't new. Okay, But a lot of people don't realize this. Like every couple months meta will come.

[Sean Ryan]

Out or.

[John Delaney]

Microsoft does these reports. Well, they'll say we identified all these bot networks and then they start shutting them down. Or meta will announce they took down 5,000 accounts or whatever, but people don't understand the scale of it. So you might read a news article instead of, you might read a headline and then instead of reading the article you just go to the comma store. What people are saying they're trying to influence how you think in a comment. Now the crazy Thing is you might be arguing with somebody that's not even real.

[Sean Ryan]

Yep.

[John Delaney]

And they're gaslighting you. You were talking about you got for having Gavin Newsom on here. I wonder how many of those people were just maybe not real people that were just trying to divide. I'm not saying they all. Sure.

[Sean Ryan]

There's a ton of them.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. And what they do is they're trying to stir up the funny thing because we've restricted some accounts. We'll have. And I'll show you how it looks. But it's basically. I can see their comment but nobody else can see it. And I have to approve to allow it. We've had other bot accounts comment on our post tagging like as if they're responding to you. So It'd be like SeanRyan 7:6:2. Right. And. But they can't see that original comment. So it just came up as a populated response to nothing. So it tells me that's a bot too.

[Sean Ryan]

So you're saying that they are responding to the bot that there are. That they wouldn't be able to see.

[John Delaney]

Yes.

[Sean Ryan]

Holy.

[John Delaney]

But they don't because it's all automated. I don't know if you've seen those videos. And I'll send you them. There's like literally fucking rooms full of phones.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

Have you seen it?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I've seen them. And I don't understand exactly how they are working.

[John Delaney]

I don't understand.

[Sean Ryan]

Somebody behind the actual device.

[John Delaney]

Well, I think it's an AI, I would assume. Yeah. I don't know. The, the.

[Sean Ryan]

Did you see that one in New York recently?

[John Delaney]

Yes. Covered that.

[Sean Ryan]

I think the.

[John Delaney]

It wasn't. It wasn't bots. That was somebody trying to take down cell towers.

[Sean Ryan]

You mean some communication disruptor or something?

[John Delaney]

That's crazy.

[Sean Ryan]

How many phones was it?

[John Delaney]

It wasn't. It was. It wasn't actual phones. They had some sort of system that allowed them to duplicate like a hundred thousand phone numbers in some way. I don't know if it was duplicate or they could. They could mimic a hundred thousand phone calls. And what their idea was is they.

[Sean Ryan]

Were gonna shut down Manhattan's communications.

[John Delaney]

That's fucking crazy. And let me tell you something. That's not some little gang or a cartel. That is somebody trying to do some shit.

[Sean Ryan]

That's a foreign adversary.

[John Delaney]

100%. And you know what? We haven't heard a thing about that.

[Sean Ryan]

Of course we haven't.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. Not a word. Makes you wonder. Like, I mean, I hate to talk about shit like this, but I don't think people realize, like, how vulnerable our daily life is to shit like that. Oh, man, the power grid, you know, like, we're going off a little tangent here, but China's been embedding in US Critical infrastructure for decades. The something I love to do and I encourage everybody to do it, is I really watch these hearings with these top generals on capitol hill. I watch them religiously every second because you kind of get an idea as to what's going on. And there was a general who went up that said that how they view it is China has been embedding themselves in u. S. Critical infrastructure with the goal of that if there was ever a conflict to break out, it would slow a U. S. Response down because it would create chaos within because everybody's dependent on all this, you know, and it's goes back to what we were talking about earlier, which was nobody trusts anybody. You know, it's. It's sad. It's because, David, most people just want to just grow up. Sorry. I get emotional because it sucks. Most people just want to raise a family and live.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

But you can't.

[Sean Ryan]

Sad, man.

[John Delaney]

It is. And it's not just. I want to be clear. It's not just Americans, the world. You think people in the middle east want this? That's going on right now. People just want to live. Yeah, but what we've got, I tell my friends this, it's. You've got nine countries, eight or nine that sit at a table, big long table, and everybody that sits at that table is a country that has a gun. What do I mean by that? Those are countries that have nuclear weapons. Okay, the nine countries, China, North Korea, Russia, India, Pakistan, the U.K. france, the United States, and the one that everyone we don't know is Israel. I think they have one. Those people, think of it as a person, the country. Sit at this table. Some have the gun on the table to show it off, some have it holstered. The ones that scare me, Sean, are the ones that have their hands under the table. You know why? Because you don't know if I'm pointing a gun at you. With everything that's going on in this world right now, the stocking of satellites, the embedding and critical infrastructure.

[Sean Ryan]

The supply chain, the fentanyl crisis, the buying of pub, buying our farmland, putting. Buying land next to military bases. I mean, it goes on and on, propaganda, the bot farms, I mean, influencing.

[John Delaney]

Us on and on and on. I have questioned, Sean, this is hard to say, but I don't know. I don't know if dude there's so much distrust and people don't realize it, how bad it is right now, every second, every minute, all it takes is one thing, and that could be it. Now, what we hope is that those nine people at that table aren't crazy. But let me tell you something. Guess who's sitting at that table? Just one example. Got Kim Jong Un sitting there. He's crazy. You know, that's just. Some people will then say, well, maybe his gun doesn't work. Okay. Are you comfortable with someone pointing a gun at you? That might not work. There's people that are more flamboyant about it, and there's people that aren't. I've questioned because of the way the world's going. Everybody's arming up. Is my generation going to get to live their full potential? It's tough.

[Sean Ryan]

Everybody's worried about that, man.

[John Delaney]

It is, dude. Because something I really believe in, dude, people just want to live like you. I've heard you talk about you went to war for what you have. You have your feelings. You were wondering why you were out there. Same thing. What are. Where. We're totally off topic, but how far are people willing to go? And I don't know. I really don't know, but based on everything I'm seeing, dude, it's crazy. It's crazy. And we've got to get. I don't even. The thing is, is how do we even fix that? There's so much distrust. Everybody's spying on everybody. Everybody's embedding in each other's. It's a cluster, dude. How do you fix that? Right now, the only fix to that that we've been using is deterrence. That's okay. We're making all this and hoping we never have to use it. And what's Sean. Is if we want to stop, they won't. Same stuff with like, AI, look at this AI right now. It's being weaponized. Has to be right. We don't have an option. Because if we don't do it, China's gonna do it. Yep. Russia's gonna do it. Everybody's doing it. So we're. We have to do it. Yeah, but look at what comes with that. You know, I. I always tell people the number one thing that guarantees that I believe guarantees our freedoms in this country is that at the end of the day, let's say God forbid something happened and this country had an issue where the military was directed to do things that were unconstitutional to us, that would take our rights away. At the end of the Day there's one thing that stops a ridiculous order and our everyday life and something impacting our everyday life. And you know what that is? A soul. Okay, If a soldier, at the end of the day, that they have a heart, they have a soul, they have a mind. With the way we're going, man, we're getting into the world. Where is that even going to be necessary anymore? Can you just take an order and it just does it? You know, you ever thought about that, that we're. We got all these countries now that are using robotics and they're arming all these robots. Could you imagine what it would look like if one of these countries had a coup from within with AI? What. What the does the world do? And all these AI wizards and tech guys. I'm not a tech guy. And these guys might dog on me and say, this guy has no idea what the he's talking about. Okay, cool. What's your plan for that? Well, it can never happen. How? There's guardrails. Everybody can break a guardrail. AI is right now thinking for itself. Did you hear the story? There was a. I think it was. I don't know if it was Google or who it was. They had a shutdown in AI that they were testing because that they told the AI that they were going to shut it down, like because it wasn't working well. And they were kind of just egging it on and it threatened to blackmail one of the developers.

[Sean Ryan]

Was that real? I couldn't tell if that was real.

[John Delaney]

I read it was real. Yeah, it was an AI it was a report that they released. I forgot the group's name. And when I saw that, I said, are you kidding me?

[Sean Ryan]

I think this is what I think. I think it is a game of patience. This is going to sound bad.

[John Delaney]

Oh, it.

[Sean Ryan]

But I think this is going to be a game of patience. I think that the older generations are going to have to disappear. You know, it's a matter of time. Just everybody dies, right? I think the older generations, as they start to die off, you know, because the younger generations are more in tune with what's going on. At least that's my view of things. They see.

[John Delaney]

I think they're sick of it.

[Sean Ryan]

They see the AI, they have total complete distrust in mainstream media. They don't trust any of the government institutions. Then you have the older generations that they can't wrap their head around the fact that the news outlets that they've been watching for 75 years are lying to them and likely have been the entire time you know that their, their entire world has been flipped upside down and they're, they are, they don't, they just don't understand it. I mean, just like the thing you just showed me. 93 year old woman or 83 year old woman posting an AI video thinking it's real. And then under all the comments, those people all think it's real too. I mean, it's very unfortunate, but you're not going to reframe, you know, 65 years old plus, you're not going to reframe that mind. It's just their entire world has been flipped upside down. Tech is just advancing at a rapid pace and they're not, it's not going.

[John Delaney]

To get, but it's crazy where it's going.

[Sean Ryan]

I think that, I think that, you know, the way, I think that the younger generation is more in tune with this, you know, probably millennial generation. And down.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

You know, and, and that's, that's, I think it's a waiting game, unfortunately. I also think, you know, that people need to be a little bit more accepting, a little bit less judgmental, a little bit more willing to poke holes in their own stories.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

I see a lot of people that are unwilling to do any self reflection and poke holes in their own stories and that is detrimental. That is fucking absolutely detrimental. When you have somebody that is 100% bought and sold on what they are seeing on X and are unwilling to self reflect and poke holes in their own stories, that person is now gone too. And, and I mean you always, you just always have to be willing to poke holes in your own bullshit. And yeah, you don't see a lot of that today either. But that's kind of, that's what I think. And I think people need to lean out too. You know, I think people, this becomes their life.

[John Delaney]

They go challenge. You've got to challenge what you're seeing.

[Sean Ryan]

People are spending seven hours a day on social media.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. You know, getting cooked up what the algorithm wants them to see.

[Sean Ryan]

Yep, yep. Yeah, it just pigeonholes you more and.

[John Delaney]

More and more and more.

[Sean Ryan]

The more time you spend on it, the more it learns about you and.

[John Delaney]

The more crazy how much power that is. Yeah. You can literally move somebody to do.

[Sean Ryan]

Anything, but it has no power. If we go back to human connection.

[John Delaney]

Can we get there? Honestly, I've thought about that. I don't remember the days where, when I grew up, I really tell you much about when I grew up, but I, I remember the days, man, you would go knock on your neighbor's door to play with them and do like that. Play sock. Yeah. Stuff still goes on. But remember the days where you would actually, like, make plans with your friends and hang out with them and go. You know, all that stuff is like, it's. And those were like, private moments. Now everything has to be publicized and thrown on social media and just it's. It's weird how like, man, our childhood, what it was and what it is now, it's just different. But I do see that there's a drive among some people to try to give their children that are being born today that same childhood away from the iPad. Not giving the kid the iPad. And, you know, the.

[Sean Ryan]

It's happening all the time, man. I just had Trey Stevenson, co founder of Van Deurli, because kids don't have any devices.

[John Delaney]

Really.

[Sean Ryan]

Major. Major tech guy.

[John Delaney]

See how sad, too. I was at a dinner recently and it was an older woman, maybe in her 90s, and she was sitting there with her two. I would assume they were her grandkids stuck in the phone while she's eating.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, man, I see it all the time.

[John Delaney]

And, you know, I thought to myself, like. And I just, just. I mean, we're all on borrowed time. You know, those kids will grow up and they'll regret that. Those moments that you're just stuck in some little virtual box.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[John Delaney]

You know?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Delaney]

Sucks, dude.

[Sean Ryan]

It's pretty sad. It's pretty sad. But there's a lot of good stuff going on in the world too.

[John Delaney]

And you gotta look.

[Sean Ryan]

But you'll never see it if you don't lean out of digital and. But get out in your community. Everybody hates you. I see it all over this town.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So. But. Well, hey, as we wrap this up.

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

And you have been judging media outlets. Big ones, small ones, independent ones, mainstream ones. How do you think we're doing?

[John Delaney]

I think you're doing a good job, Sean. You know, you brought up. You brought on Gavin Newsom. I'll be honest with you. I. Prior to. I don't keep up with all your stuff religiously just because life gets crazy, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Hey, I get it.

[John Delaney]

I can barely keep up with my. But I catch one every once in a while. My brother, though, he's. That's why he's here. He wanted to meet you. But I had this impression of you originally that you were more right leaning. I don't know why. That's just how I absorbed it originally. And over time, as I listened to you, I've seen that I was wrong. And I think how I view you and what you're doing here is you're trying to have a real conversation with people. And you bringing on Gavin Newsom, I think, was really the pinnacle of you showing that you're not. You're not an echo chamber. You're open to people, challenging new ideas. You've. I've seen some of your podcasts where you have somebody on talk on somebody else, and then you let that other person that was getting talked come on in, you know, and I think that's important and that's good, and you're facilitating that. And that's what I think we need. We need to. People need to be able to have a conversation again. You know, there's guys from the left and guys from the right that all have great ideas. Some of them are bad, some of them are good. But at the end of the day, we should be able to sit down and have a conversation about it. You know, I, and I think that's what you're doing here. I think you're allowing people to come in here and open up and talk. I mean, you've had some amazing guests. I told you, it's crazy. I'm sitting here because I really, I mean, you've had some truly top tier guests. You had Tom Holman in his chair crying. It's a tough man. You know, you got me to tear up a little bit in here. It's just how I feel. You've had everybody from all walks of life and you've even brought in people from different countries that maybe have some different views than what we're all told here. And I think that's important. I think you're truly someone that's independent and you're kind of going down your road and you're open to all ideas. And that's the same thing with me. I'm, I. We're both artists. We just paint a picture and put a bunch of color on it and let people figure it out. That's just what you've been doing. And I hope you continue to do that. I hope that you bring in people, you know, be cool. Something that we're going to do is I want to start bringing in Republican and Democratic lawmakers over for dinner and we'll talk about America while they cook some food. Wouldn't that be cool?

[Sean Ryan]

That would be great.

[John Delaney]

I think that would be sick. I have AOC and Marjorie Taylor Greene in the kitchen.

[Sean Ryan]

That's right.

[John Delaney]

I might get canceled for that or, or like a republic, you know, and cook a meal and have a conversation about America. I think you're doing that on a much larger scale, bringing people in and having that conversation. We need to have more of that. We need to have more. Less of the loud, noisy bullshit and more of just people connecting on a. On a. On a human level as Americans.

[Sean Ryan]

The human connection.

[John Delaney]

It's important. We got to get back to that. And if we don't, it's not good. Yeah, I hope. I hope people take that away from that, too. Like, really get out of your echo chambers. You don't have to like my news. I could give two. Go, go find. Stay where you're at. But challenge yourself.

[Sean Ryan]

They have to realize they're in an echo chamber first. A lot of people still don't realize it.

[John Delaney]

Yeah. If you watch Fox news, please take 30 minutes out of your day. And I know it's hard to do. Turn on msnbc.

[Sean Ryan]

Just.

[John Delaney]

Just turn it on. Yeah. Challenge yourself. Yeah. Same thing goes with the people watching MSNBC. I know it's hard. 30 minutes. Just reinforce what you believe. Because you would be surprised. There's much more that unites us than divides on both sides. You just don't realize it because people get.

[Sean Ryan]

Just goes back to. You have to be willing to poke holes in your own story.

[John Delaney]

True, but.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, John, I love what you're doing, man.

[John Delaney]

I appreciate it.

[Sean Ryan]

Been following you for a long time. I'll continue to do it. Dude, you got to make the newsletter. You got to make the newsletter.

[John Delaney]

Newsletter. So what? It's just.

[Sean Ryan]

There's your subscription. Yeah, the newsletter.

[John Delaney]

Just a newsletter that people.

[Sean Ryan]

Just a little bit more detail.

[John Delaney]

Got it. But one more thing to do, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Hey, you gotta expand, right?

[John Delaney]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

You're not growing. You're dying. But, hey, man, pleasure to meet you.

[John Delaney]

Nice meeting you, Sean.

[Sean Ryan]

Thank you. And real nose.

[John Delaney]

No.

[Sean Ryan]

Real news. No. So everybody check it out.

[John Delaney]

Catch us on Instagram. And we've got a website. Simple man.

[Sean Ryan]

Cheers. I'm Sean Ryan, former Navy seal, Ca. Contractor, and host of the Sean Ryan Show. Much of my life has been dedicated to seeking truth and getting answers, no matter how uncomfortable the questions are that we have to ask. But in the age of the Psyop, that search has never been more difficult. In September of 2022, the U.S. army's 4th PSYOP group released a cryptic video on YouTube.

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