#254 Brian Harpole - Groundbreaking Evidence From Charlie Kirk’s Head of Security

Summary

The Shawn Ryan Show – Episode #254: Brian Harpole – Groundbreaking Evidence From Charlie Kirk’s Head of Security

Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Shawn Ryan
Guest: Brian Harpole, Head of Security Detail for Charlie Kirk

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Episode Overview

In a rare and deeply personal conversation, Brian Harpole, the head of Charlie Kirk’s personal security detail, joins Shawn Ryan just two months after Kirk’s assassination. Harpole breaks his silence to discuss the intense scrutiny his team has faced, separating rumor from reality, and providing critical firsthand insight into the tragedy. The interview covers the security team's procedures, the day of the assassination, conspiracy theories surrounding the event, and the enduring impact on all involved.

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Main Themes and Purpose

• Clarifying Misinformation: Harpole addresses the tidal wave of rumors, online conspiracies, and misinformation that have circulated since Kirk’s death.
• Inside Security Operations: A detailed walk-through of executive protection protocols, the planning before the event, Hamprole’s hiring and training methods, and the actual sequence of events on that fateful day.
• Challenging the Narrative: The episode directly engages with outstanding questions popular online—ranging from security “failures” to alleged Mossad involvement and plausible alternative scenarios.
• Personal and Team Impact: Harpole conveys the emotional, reputational, and professional toll the assassination and subsequent fallout have taken on him and his team.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why Speak Out Now? (05:38)

• Harpole: “There's so much out there that's not true… if the truth doesn't get out there, it could hurt their, you know, 20 more years of work and that's not fair.”
• The pressure to stand up for his team’s honor and correct misinformation prompted Harpole to break a long silence.

2. Remembering Charlie Kirk (09:26)

• Harpole’s favorite memory: a trip to Japan, sharing relaxed, candid moments over sushi—the rare joy of seeing “just a guy, not Charlie Kirk, the public figure.”

3. Brian Harpole’s Background and Team Building (13:05–26:29)

• Experience: 14 years in Texas law enforcement, specialization in spotting and apprehending “bad guys,” plus significant private security and NGO work—including dangerous missions undercover in cartel territory.
• Team Selection/Training:
  • All candidates must be vouched for by existing team members and undergo rigorous, extended on-the-job training before the entire detail votes to accept them.
  • Ongoing mandatory training: 40 hours minimum annually—most receive 200–400 hours.
  • Quote: “Your past achievements or affiliation are not equal to your current capability.” (25:24)
  • Strong team brotherhood: “When we finish training telling each other they love them and then we leave.” (25:52)
  • Even etiquette and “soft skills” included—“I even brought up etiquette classes that you would bring people on to the range and ask them what fork they're going to use.” (28:44)

4. Refuting Conspiracy Allegations (35:07–38:04)

• No connections to Mossad, Israel, or foreign intelligence:
  • “I've never been to Israel. … We have no ties to Israel or Mossad or any other one. We're Americans, period.” (35:27)
• Surveillance among team members is too close for political infiltration or plotting:
  • “We know what each other does. We know their kids, names and spouses. … those allegations become even more idiotic.” (36:40)
• Certainty: “To my death.” (38:04)

5. Pre-Event Planning and Threat Assessment (38:08–47:01)

• Extensive threat assessment began two weeks prior, with all intelligence, site plans, and emergency responses shared on an app accessible by the entire team.
• No threats or concerns about Israel (or similar foreign entities) were ever reported to the detail or via official agencies—it was “always about angry protesters and direct threats at the event.”
• Venue selection and security limitations largely dictated by external authorities (i.e., UVU campus administration).
• Open event design was Charlie Kirk’s choice to promote open debate, despite security risks.

6. Cooperation With Local Police and Venue Security (50:11–66:04)

• Team sought support and coordination from UVU and Orem Police, including drone coverage and rooftop access—but were rebuffed or inadequately supported by UVU Police.
  • Quote: “Chief Long. … he says, ‘I got you covered.’ What else am I to do when a command level, a person from an accredited police department says, I've got this area?” (59:21)
• Extra security personnel were brought in—“we upped it…based on nothing because it's like, all right, that we're in a kind of a place where we don't want to be.” (61:04)

7. Event Setup and Security Procedures (69:03–81:43)

• Detailed breakdown of concentric security zones, with “hard” and “soft” barriers, multi-role detail members, and reliance on deliberate tactical placement.
• Team in plain clothes for maximum blending—“We're all dressed like, we're just wearing regular clothes. We’re not wearing suits and jackets.” (79:53)
• Rooftop security was assigned to police and dropped from the team’s remit—per direct assurance from the UVU Police Chief.
• Hand and arm gestures were not covert sniper signals—just normal practiced team communication.
  • “That is how you do it. That is how you do it.” (96:41)

8. Timeline of the Assassination (88:12–108:31)

• Shooter utilized a highly specific vantage point on the roof—“That opportunity comes through. Like, this is a big loophole. And so you're telling me you just ran up onto a roof, pop yourself down in a position that was in a loophole?” (90:44)
• Harpole questions whether the shooter had detailed prior knowledge or guidance due to the precision required.
• Immediate response:
  • Harpole recognized gunfire, rushed Charlie, applied direct pressure to the wound; within 15–16 seconds, the team moved Kirk to a vehicle for emergency evacuation.
  • Critical medical details: Severe, likely unsurvivable wound—“wounds incompatible with life.” (108:31)
  • No waiting for EMS on scene: “Rule number one…anything get off the X.” (121:22)

9. Hospital & Aftermath (122:57–129:43)

• Team arrived at hospital, continued life-saving attempts, coordinated handoff to ER staff.
• The emotional aftermath and logistical difficulties (i.e., inability to contact family due to lost phone).
• Harpole confirms autopsy performed and details around the wound:
  • “I specifically asked one of the doctors… how long until we can get an autopsy? … a day, a day and a half. … We need to get this autopsy done and done right so that there's not some conspiracy.” (129:43)
• Medical examiner’s description: Bullet entered neck, “tore up everything,” hit vertebra, fragmented.

10. Addressing Internet Theories and Allegations (133:12–149:51)

• Hand signals / hat adjustments: “We didn't use hand signals that day. We've never used hand signals other than the general ones.”
• Microphone/explosive theory: “Where was the flash? Where was the char? It didn't exist.”
• Alleged “item exchange”: Explained away as candy/mints from a well-known event staffer.
• Footage chain-of-custody: The “selfie” and “footage removal” done by AV staff, not security, and all material turned over to FBI.
• Team infiltration: “If somebody were to say, one of my guys or an employee, hey, you were part of this murder and you helped conspire, then I would say, I need you to tell me why you said that right now. A definitive why.” (148:56)
• Release of security footage: Harpole supports keeping it sealed until trial but urges authorities to provide verifiable, interim “truths” to counter misinformation.

11. Lingering Questions and Team Toll (149:51–167:32)

• Why was the crime scene so quickly demolished?
  • “That had to probably go through a budget request… You should be able to get that through FOIA.”
• No evidence of a “trap door” or secret tunnel.
• Autopsy supports the gunshot narrative—no evidence for explosive devices or mechanical plot.
• Desire for phone/tower records, interviews with alleged shooter’s associates.
• Pained by “disgusting” rumors about Kirk’s wife and the team’s involvement—“she’s a victim… those are lies.”
• Heavy consequences for the team: doxing, threats, personal and financial risk.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On rumor and reality:
  “In this industry, something happens by no fault of your own even, and like that, you’re done… You have to be that much better. Every single time you step on a job.” (29:12)
• On Mossad conspiracy:
  “To say that we’re Mossad or attached to any type of foreign entity, it’s one of those sits [sic] crap on its best day.” (35:27)
• On lack of foreign threat intelligence:
  “We’ve never received anything from the FBI… that was credible that was saying that groups of that entity was a threat to him.” (44:20)
• On internet hysteria:
  “People get chastised for telling the truth… all these guys are. And these things are our version of National Enquirer and they're monetizing that lie.” (140:19)
• On team loyalty:
  “Rick’s a brother. He’s got the tattoo… I know he’s got me.” (119:00–119:18)
• On government transparency:
  “If you want to rebuild the fucking trust in the institutions, then you open up transparency and you stop fucking hiding shit from the American people. 100%.” (152:13)
• On security team selection:
  “If you're not a jackass, can you work well with a team, can you think of people besides yourself? … Physical skills, the hard skills and the soft skills can be taught.” (23:54)

Memorable Moments

• Emotion in the Aftermath:
  Harpole nearly breaks down (108:31) reliving the trauma of applying pressure to Kirk’s wound, blood in his face, and knowing immediately the injury was fatal.
• Confronting Conspiracy:
  “If somebody were to say, one of my guys or an employee, hey, you were part of this murder and you helped conspire, then I would say, I need you to tell me why you said that right now. A definitive why. Not now. Not. It’s a possibility.” (148:46)
• Personal Toll:
  Doxing, loss of privacy, and the team targeted despite no evidence of wrongdoing: “Our credit cards have been stolen, our children's and parents names have been released online.” (152:50)
• Shawn: “Are there any other questions you have?”
  Harpole: “No, I just, I mean, I appreciate you… I don’t deserve this.” (167:32)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:38] – Why Harpole decided to speak now
• [09:26] – Most memorable moment with Charlie Kirk
• [13:05–26:29] – Background, selection & training methodology for Integrity Security Solutions
• [35:07–38:04] – Refuting claims of Mossad or extremist ties
• [38:08–47:01] – Threat assessment and event planning procedures
• [50:11–66:04] – Coordination issues, venue security, and policing challenges
• [69:03–81:43] – Walk-through of entire security setup at the event
• [88:12–108:31] – Timeline and actions on the assassination, medical response
• [122:57–129:43] – Hospital arrival, autopsy, wound assessment
• [133:12–149:51] – Addressing top conspiracy allegations and internet rumors
• [149:51–153:43] – Arguments for/against releasing video, fallout for the team
• [154:00–156:32] – Crime scene demolition, autopsy/bullet details
• [159:37] – Harpole’s unanswered questions for authorities and on shooter’s background

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Conclusion

Brian Harpole offers a rare, unfiltered look at the realities of high-threat executive protection, the devastating impact of losing a principal on his security team, and the tidal wave of public suspicion that follows such historic events. Evincing humility, professionalism, and emotional candor, Harpole’s account both clears up the wildest rumors and issues a plea for truth, transparency, and basic human decency for all those impacted by this tragedy.

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Transcript

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Brian Harpool, welcome to the show.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Pleasure. Sean, thank you for letting me be here.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Thank you for coming, man. So very heavy interview today. And so you were in charge of the security detail in the company when Charlie Kirk was assassinated exactly two months and one day ago.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes, sir.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And you know, I've been really quiet about this matter because so many people are out there on it. And it just, it's a real shame, but it just got to be so much that I just did not trust my own eyes, ears, what I was reading, what I was watching. And I think a lot of people have sensationalize this and, and that is a real shame. And it makes it impossible to find the truth.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It is, and it's not a word. But you said sensationalized. But it's like advantage, right? Just to take advantage of it. It's almost like sickening. And it has been. And really that's kind of what drove me to come here.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Well, Brian, I know you and your team are taking a lot of flack.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, and I just, I commend you for the courage to come out and talk today on the show. And I just want you to know, I mean, you know, I'm not a combative interviewer. I just do have some tough questions that will be at the end. Questions that I've seen all throughout the Internet. Questions that people have, questions that I have. Some of them may seem a little absurd, but I think it is. I think it's important to, you know, just address all the major ones, at least all the ones that are on my radar.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So I Just once again, want to thank you for coming.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Nothing's. If it's. Nothing's out of bounds except for something that may be covered in the NDA that I did for a specific incident for them. And so if that's true, I would just say that. But literally that's the big thing is that it's. I'm sitting here, but the team is here and that's the big deal. And representing them. I want to.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And I also just want to say, you know, one, rest in peace to Charlie Kirk and God bless his family. And number two, I've lost friends and I'm familiar with those type of scenarios and I just want to say that I'm really sorry for what you and your guys are going through with losing your friend and, and also with everything that's coming along with that. So.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes, sir.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

But everybody starts off with an introduction here.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Brian Harpole, a highly decorated law enforcement veteran who served as a police officer in Texas for 14 years. In 2008, you entered the private security world as operations manager for an elite.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Texas based security firm where you specialized in executive and personal protection.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Now you are a global person, private security contractor and trainer running your own company, Integrity Security Solutions, across five continents. A graduate of Columbia College, you earned a Master Peace Officer license from the state of Texas along with graduating from the International Law Enforcement School of Police Supervision in South and Southern Methodist Universities, Cape Intelligence Program. Most importantly, you, you are on the stage with Charlie.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Kirk is the head of his contracted security detail on September 10th when he was assassinated.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

It's been two months since his tragedy.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And there are a lot of unanswered questions and people are starving for some answers. I know a lot of people are going to be very interested in what you have to say today, but I want, I just kind of want to give it to you right now and give you the opportunity on why you've decided to come out.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You hit it. There's so much out there and there's so much out there that's not true. And I was talking to your staff earlier. I'm older and I have guys on my team that or our team that are younger. And if the truth doesn't get out there, it could hurt their, you know, 20 more years of work and that's not fair. Yeah. And these are stellar individuals. Yeah, these, these guys are stellar. And you know, we've worked with just about every agency and police department across the nation and in the larger government, you know, FBI, Secret Service, and I got guys will come up to me where did you get your guys? Where did you get these people? And the only response I've ever been able to make sense is I just tell them. And I prayed them in, and they came in, you know, and our selection process is unique, unparalleled.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

We'll get into that.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I like that cross on your jacket. You know, I thought it would be good to start this episode with a prayer.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You okay with that?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It's what we all should do. All right. Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's gonna be super simple here. Jesus. I just want to thank you for having Brian here today. And we have just a couple of goals today with this interview and that we ask that you be here with us in this interview. And we just want to bring some answers to unanswered questions here today and avenge Brian's team of these accusations and conspiracies. And we basically just want to clear the air and get rid of the confusion, and we hope this helps. And we also just want to pray for Charlie and his family, and we hope that this rise in political violence comes to an end real fast. Amen.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Amen. Thank you.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

My pleasure.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I believe in that. Power of prayer is unbelievable.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Me too.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We. I've received prayers from people from all over the world and text, and I would tell them they're heard and felt, and they are. They are good, man.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Well, we got a couple of things to get through, man. This seems like I don't even want to give this to you, but everybody gets one, so I gotta do it.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

What's that?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

But, oh, no, everybody gets a pack of jelly bears.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I was looking forward to it for a couple reasons. One, mom, fiance loves this type of candy. And so I'll definitely share it with her. And they're known for that. And so I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You're welcome. You're welcome.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

And I have a Patreon account.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's a subscription account. They've been with me since the very beginning when I started this in the attic of my house. And it's turned into one hell of a community. And so one thing I do is I just offer them the opportunity to ask every guest a question. And so this is from Amber. What is your favorite memory with Charlie?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Man, it's odd. It was recently, and believe it or not, and it kind of made me feel like I was just hanging out with him instead of working. And we were in Japan, and we had finished. I mean, it was like a backbreaking tour of South Korea. Went to the dmz, and then Did a lot of stuff around there. And then we went to Japan, Tokyo. He did some speeches and a couple of us had. Went to a dinner afterwards. And Charlie just loved Japan. And he was like, man, something. We had a bet and we were playing a game that if we could find somebody in Japan taller than him. Yeah. And so we were all like, you know, we're already like on guard, looking, scanning. But then, then you got this secondary thing behind you like that. You know, are you going to find some guy that's as tall as this guy? Which is absolutely hard to do. And. And then afterwards we went to dinner and we were. He was just eating sushi and we, we were laughing and having a good time. And it was a safe environment, so the access was controlled. And it was just these goofy things. Like you were sitting around a table in high school with a bunch of guys that you were cutting it up with. And I just remember he was like, he really loved the sushi. And he was like, brian, you going to eat that? And I was like, no. He just starts eating it off my plate and. And I'm like, this is. Yeah, yeah. And it's just like, man, this is. It was cool. You know, he had, he had never been to Japan before, and he got to see some of the really cool stuff there. And then he was just on a high about it. And so he was not Charlie Kirk. He was just a guy. And so it was a very cool experience.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's cool, man.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It was.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's cool. Well, Brian, like I said in the interview, I want to really clear the air with a lot of things, and it's going to be some uncomfortable questions. But, you know, I've thought a lot about how I would do this interview, and I think it is probably most similar to the Blackwater one that I've done. And so one of the things, you know, I'd like to talk a little bit about your background, your company, the training that's involved in your company, and then we'll get into some actions on. And stuff. But, you know, I mean, this is just, this is just so wild. I mean, we've heard, we have heard it was a right wing nut, a left wing nut, Israel, a trans person, a trans person's boyfriend. I mean.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

At the time, there were.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Compelling arguments for every single one of those avenues. And I think, you know, there's a lot of people that don't believe that this Tyler Robinson kid is the shooter. But I just, you know, we'll dissect all of this stuff as we Go on. And then at the end, I want to ask what questions you have, you know, from somebody that was being there, somebody that. That had their hands, the first ones to have their hands in the wound. But so let's, let's start with, you know, let's start with a little bit of your background in law enforcement and what qualified you to get into this type of.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, I came from a law enforcement family and my dad was a cop for 47 years and he was a worker. He said he is still a worker, you know, and he was kind of like a role model for that. And so I was kind of hell bent when I was in my early 20s that that's not what I was going to do. And then just kind of got gleaned into that, recruited into that, and did 14 years at that. And kind of my area of specialty was I had the ability to go out and find bad guys. And that was kind of what I did. Whether it just, you know, seeing the physiological movements of people in crowds or even in cars and the way they walk and so you notice that you recognize it and how you can look at the way they act when they see you or they're trying not for you to see them. And so you can couple that and use that to make contact conversation with people and you find a lot of bad guys. And so I kind of specialized in that and then also did emergency medicine. And so I had some really great mentors, like I said, my dad, a guy named Jerry Venom, Bill Wayburn, Keith Lane. Just phenomenal mentors in law enforcement that just kind of took me under their wing and. Or slapped me when I needed it. And we all need it sometimes.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Have you ever exchanged gunfire?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I've been shot at and then shot guys a lot of the times with non lethal shotgun rounds you have.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So you know what it's like to be shot at.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Sure. We. You feel it. I mean, I was close enough one time. I remember a guy shot at me with a shotgun. And you don't. I remember kind of sounds weird, but you see, I remember seeing his hair puff up because the gun was so. The shotgun was so short.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And so I remember seeing the wading come over my head.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

No kidding?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And so I was like, ah, that means he missed, you know, because wadding's after the bullets and you know.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

But man, I got shot at with a shotgun one time.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. In Yemen.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And I thought they were. I thought a kid was holding a sparkler towards me. Turns out it was a shotgun.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You feel it this Guy.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

This guy was, luckily I was in.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

An armored vehicle a little over 40 something feet away. And so you feel it, you feel the blast, Right? And so grace of God, he missed. But that career, I kind of, like I said, had some really good guidance and starting with my dad all the way up to these other mentors. And there was an expectation of work back then where you went out and produced, you know, integratized work, and you went out and found bad guys. And then when you did that, you kind of got a skill, developed a skill we called it. You know, you started sharpening your own sword. And then that kind of helped me transition over into this field where it's about prevention and seeing it before it happens. Right. And so that was able to really help me in this field go out and work and even in austere places. And I've done some work on the private security side that makes law enforcement the most dangerous stuff I did in law enforcement pale in comparison. I mean, I wore cameras inside of cartel houses in Juarez.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And we were looking where kids were being trafficked. And we act like we went in to shop for children. And we were capturing that footage we got made inside and.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And then that was as a civilian.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. And then I did same deal.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Can I hear more about that?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Sure, sure.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You were, you were on a civilian contract to go into cartel homes?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Well, it was an NGO based out of Dallas that specializes in helping people that are trafficked. And we were in El Paso working during the surge of people coming over to document that. And I was providing security for the people that were reporting it. And then I don't know how they came on the intel, but inside of Mexico and Juarez, there was a hotel that they found out that where the kids get warehoused. And so they were like, this would be great footage. And I was like, this is horrible. You know, and so we ended up going over and posed as shoppers, basically. And the guy gave us a tour. And we went into this room that was about 50ft long, but only probably 10ft wide. And you can tell, like it was just bed, bed, bed, bed, bed. And these guys were. I guess that's where you go in and shop, I don't know. But nobody was in there. There weren't any children in there at the time. And then we went back downstairs and we're in the lobby and kind of talking to the guy behind the desk. And you can tell he's like the, the, I guess the front for it. And I saw a guy Look. Look through the window from outside. And with his head, he. He counted us like that. And then he picked up the phone and he said that into the phone. And I told him, hey, man, we just got made.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Shit.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So we ended up going out of more as a secondary exfil location, and we ended up having to go out in New Mexico instead of Texas. And so just got some great footage. But then we did other ones where I went to Pierre's Negras and wore a camera and showed how people would come back across. And I won't say be harassed, but be screened. You have to pay a fee to leave Mexico. And then you get checked when you come to the border, the middle of it, and then you get interdicted. Why were you there? What did you do? What did you eat? And then so I'm getting interviewed, but at the same time, the camera crew was filming literally hundreds of people just walking across unabated. And so you got to see both of those at the same time.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And things like that, really good missions in South Africa, doing things, same deal. And so there's. There's good work to be done.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So you got a lot of experience?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I mean, experiences. I have been. Got experience through experiences. And so. And I've had. It's really a gift, a luxury, and I'm. I'm happy to have it.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

How long have you had your company?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We started Integrity three years ago, and we actually worked for another company prior to that with Charlie. And there was a. In 2022 is when we started it and started doing that. We worked for him for the other company prior to that, and there's some conjecture out there on the end.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

For Charlie?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes, for Charlie and other accounts.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

How long have you been working for Charlie?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Since I believe it's 18.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Since 18.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

18, yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So seven. Been seven years. Seven years.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Almost eight years, yeah. Wow. Yeah. So.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So when you started the company, was it. Did you take the.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

The.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

The. This is it. The original detail that started in 2018.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Pretty much the same guys. Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You guys have been together for a long time.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, we're. We've added obviously, and. And. And lost a few, you know, not different company. We lost that company lead or that company for reasons that we couldn't stomach that were going on. But. And that's why we started it, this company, and that's why we named it Integrity. You know, we named things and it was. It's a we company.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Tell me about the vetting process to get into your company. What does it take to become A security contractor for integrity.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

What kind of people are you looking for? Yeah, it's a weird for the industry. It's kind of weird. We have a group of guys that are either from the original, we call them the OG guys. And so, and then we have the add ons that have come in. And then so a guy that wants to come to work for us, he has to get sponsored in by one of those people that are already here. And so I'd like to come to work for you. And so somebody vouches for him and then. So then he comes to our training facility and we train. If you're in town not working a detail, we train every Wednesday. And so it's, you know, defensive tactics, emergency medicine techniques, you know, PSB techniques, firearms. And so that's every Wednesday. And so they come out and they train with us for an undescript amount of time. Some guys it's a month and a half, two months. Some guys it's six, seven months. You know, there's no timeline. And at the end of that time, the team gets together and they give them the thumbs up or thumbs down. And then if they get the thumbs up, then they start the vetting process of, you know, what did you do? Are you a good dad? Are you a good person? Were you a good previous employee? Employee. You start just a normal vetting process after that.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So you go through all of the skills.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It's not skills. We have guys that come to us that the skills are not what they need to be. But we as a team can collectively teach that. But what we can't teach is if you're not a jackass, can you work well with a team, can you think of people besides yourself? And sometimes that can't be taught, sometimes it can, but, and so that's important. Those, those, those physical skills, the hard skills and the soft skills can be taught. And we have quite a collection of guys that do that, man.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, we have some statements from your guys here and I don't, I don't know if you want me to read any names, but I will.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

They said they're fine with the song, it's just first names.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, here's just, you know, Blake, combat proven Marine, Pierce, more talent than everyone else. I mean, you have SEALs, world renowned Jiu Jitsu people, 22 years on SWAT, professional athletes with tactical careers.

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean these guys know what the fuck they're doing and they're no stranger to dangerous work.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No. And they come in with that. But we have a saying that says because they come in with that kind of pedigree and they're vouched in based on that a lot of the time. But we have a saying that your past achievements or affiliation are not equal to your current capability. So that's why they still have to come show that they can do that stuff still. And still have the hard set, but still have the soft set.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Make sure your skills match your ego.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Right, right. And your, your resume. Yeah. And so it's a. And, and that also builds cohesiveness. And I've never in my years a cop years as a cop or until we started this, even at the prior company we didn't have was a weird relationship between the team and the guy who owned it. With this one we got grown ass men when we finish training telling each other they love them and then we leave.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Nice. What does the ongoing training look like in integrity?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It's a mandatory. I mean the guys are required to do it by our written policy 40 hours a year. And 20 of it has to be internally and 20 of it has to be. Can be externally. Most of the guys, I did the averages and I sent in our training logs and we keep them electronically so that they're not, they can see that their time date stamped with what we did and why we did it. And most guys get around 200. Some of the guys are getting 400 hours of training a year.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow.

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[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And it's, it's advanced level. It's not sitting around like in cop days where you're watching videos of, you know, how to get along better with people that don't think like you. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's real things that are applicable to what we're out there doing right now today and how we can race to the next level. And then it's ongoing, there's an expectation for it and we've lost guys because they didn't keep the hours. And, and I'd tell them and they were good humans, I mean good people that just timelines couldn't line up or things going on at home. And so they had to get laid off or furloughed and told hey when you come back and start all over. But the process started all over.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I would like to. We had a little conversation before we jumped in on the interview and when you about talked told me the process that you had developed to be vouched for, to work for Integrity, the actual training Pipeline, all the guys on the detail have to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down. I think that's a phenomenal way to hire for a security firm. On top of that, the ongoing training, you had brought up medical. When we were chatting upstairs, you brought up, obviously, firearms. I mean, you even brought up etiquette classes that you would bring people on to the range and ask them what fork they're going to use.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So that, I mean, so you are very, very detail oriented.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You have to be. You're in kind of a zero fail. And we see that now of work here is. I used to. I tell guys that come in from the law enforcement side, it's like, man, back when we were cops, if somebody got something happened to them and they're in your beat or 10 cars got stolen or, you know, 50 mailboxes got bashed, you went out and you're just like, sorry, and took the report and you went back to work. You got paid the same. In this industry, something happens by no fault of your own even, and like that, you're done, you know, with that client. And there are people in the woodwork that'll come right back in and do it for cheaper, probably. And so it has to be that mentality that we have to be that much better. Every single time you step on a job, you have to. It's. You know, people say that 110% rule, and I'm like, it is. It's 110%, but it's 110% of something that has to be the benefit, the big picture, not yourself. Everything. The whole job, the detail. And you get guys together and you put them through that mess to get on the team, and you've developed something that can't be replicated. I mean, we vacation together and we Christmas party together.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's a brotherhood.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It is. It is. And once you. There's another step to it is it's so close that once you've made it through those steps and you're on the team and. And then you still have to put that kind of effort out, and then. And then once you've put that effort out and shown even on jobs that you. You truly can think about everybody, the client, the team, the big picture, what we're believing in, then the team gets together and then they authorize them to get the tattoo, and then they get to get a tattoo and, you know, brothers in Christ for eternity.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wow. And so you guys are tight.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, it's. It's what it should be.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You guys are tight.

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

When you're screening your employees or, or the guys. I have to ask this question. I have to ask it, of course. Do any of your guys have any ties to any foreign intelligence agencies? More specifically Mossad?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No. And I've seen that and heard that and you know, I've been in 39 countries in this world and I've never been to Israel. I'm a firm Christian. I ask our guys, are you believers? We have no ties to Israel or Mossad or any other one. We're Americans, period. We believe in what we're afforded to do here. We believe in our system. And to say that we're Mossad or attached to any type of foreign entity, it's one of those sits crap on its best day.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Do you have anybody on your team that you think could be tied to an extreme political party who is planning assassinations?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No one. We're in each other's business where they have the time for it. I wouldn't know. But yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You had mentioned some of these guys are on the road 250 days a.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Year with Charlie just working. And it's not just that. It's. I mean, a lot. We do a team trip every year down to an undisclosed location. And some of the guys are there now. Some of the guys left yesterday after that job ended. I'll be going down the night before, I mean, tomorrow. So we know what each other does. We know their kids, names and spouses. And it's like if they're doing it and they're not, they wouldn't have time for us not to notice. And then the heart of these men that are going to pour this out, it's like we all. You took an oath. I've taken an oath. Most of my guys have taken an oath. And it's different in the security industry. You know, you're not taking an oath for your client, but you are taking an oath to each other. And so they wouldn't do that to the client, but they really wouldn't do it to me or to their co worker. And so that's one of those things. It's like, no, if you know us, those allegations become even more idiotic. Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And you say this with 100% certainty.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

To my death.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Roger that.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

To my dad.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Let's move into the threat assessment and the pre planning for the event.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

How many days prior were you guys there?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We generally, the permitting process and all that goes on behind the scenes. And then there's A questionnaires that are filled out that we used to. There was a lot of busy work. And then so, you know, kind of like in the military, what you did, we create forms that, hey, let's get this information up front. And so that we have a duplication process so that we can confirm it. And so we started our first before that one, the 24th of the month prior. And so. And that was with the hard conversations meetings.

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You started that on the 24th, right?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It's two weeks at least. No, it started before that with the intelligence gathering and all that. But the hard conversations, the sharing of information, the conference calls, the data sheets, and we put that in a timeline on an app so that this all goes up and every guy that's on that job can see all the intel that comes in. It's a decentralized command model for the company. And so anybody can make command decisions for the betterment of the client or the team. And so everything goes on that app. And so when I get it, they get it. And when whoever's gathering that intel, it gets it, there's no hold, there's no power hold on it. And so that first information came in on the 24th. And then the information share starts where we're walking through, you know, everything that you need for a detail. The site plan, point of contacts, emergency fallback locations, hard rooms, arrival points, hospital, you name it, fire department, jurisdictional authorities, all that comes in on an intel sheet and gathered. And then it's in that quick reference app. So any guy can get it at any time they want to. And then we can share it out anytime. We can add people into it, take people out of it. And so we found also that we utilize that format and it shows that we do it can timestamp our due diligence also. And so that's why we use that as opposed to just, you know, sharing it back and forth or doing it on a whippet pad. So we have that in real time. And so that starts then what.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

What kind of.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I mean, at the beginning, when I.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Was kind of looking into this before, before I realized I'm never going to find any answers. We've seen a lot of, of Charlie's friends, people that are in the media, you know, come out and say Charlie had very specific concerns about Israel and that his opinions were changing about Israel and that he had expressed concerns about this to various media personalities. You know, my question is, is the man that owns the company that's in charge of his security detail and you are the head Guy on his security detail. Were there any concerns about that or any other organization, political party, foreign nation? Did he express any of those concerns to you?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No. And Dan works for Turning Point as their security guy. And so Dan feeds down that to us to our contracted security, which is us, for integrity. And so nothing had ever come now from Dan, from Charlie, down to us about that. Now, at the same time, you got to look at the world we live in, and that's a reality. It's a reality that an organization, whether it be a hate group of any type, could want to hurt anybody. Not necessarily Israel. But we look at mathematics, too, and there's probabilities and possibilities, right? And I look at the probabilities, the possibilities are infinite, and the probabilities are that it's not. The probabilities are the people that want to hurt him are the people that are there screaming things at him in front of us half the time. And so we have to look at those probabilities in the mathematics. We look at the possibilities, too. And those possibilities, I'm sure, are out there, but we've never got any detail or intel to show that that yet. We should look into this deeper.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, it's just. It is very interesting that if he was that concerned about foreign nations or opposite political affiliations. I mean, if he was that concerned, I don't know why that wouldn't have been disseminated down to the security detail. I mean, I have a security detail, and if I feel that there is a threat, even if it's just a feeling, that's the first people that I tell is like, security detail.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We looked at, you know, we look at all that, and you can go back and look at his speeches, and Charlie was an absolute supporter of Israel. And then he would say. And they would ask him why. And so, you know, we're in those things and we're listening, but at the same time, you're looking, but you hear these things and you hear them over. And I can remember him saying, you know, he was a supporter because one, a nation should be able to defend itself after they've been attacked. Two, Charlie was a devout Christian to the point that he gave his life for it. And he referenced this, and I heard him reference it, where those places that are our holy land are being taken away from us and not being able to visit, and that you can't go there. And so that protection of Israel was important to him and those holy sites. And he'd been there, and so he had talked about being there and how it changed his life. And so that's why those sites in that area was important for him to protect. Now, how you can derive Israeli hitmen out of that, I have no idea. But we have never received anything from the FBI, which they were pretty good about sharing information. Secret Service, because of, you know, the Charlie Circle. And we had never received anything from anybody that was credible that was saying that groups of that entity was a threat to him. We received other. One. Other threats all the time. Just, you know, they come in all the time. And. And so you got to look at them. Are they First Amendment? Are they actual threats? And. And so, you know, First Amendment threats would come in and these people are. Have disgusting. They're like, charlie, I can't wait till you come to. You know, it was somewhere on the West Coast. I can't remember what town it was, but I can't wait to come to this town so that I hope somebody shoots you in the head and we can pee in the hole.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know what?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, where do you. Where do you get this kind of stuff? And so where do you. And what do you. What are you benefiting from it? Right? And so am I. Am I going to. Am I going to spend an absorbent amount of time with a possibility that I don't have any tangible intel on and haven't received any, or am I going to put my eggs into this basket? That is a probability right here, you know, and so it's probable these. These people are doing it with bomb threats, routinely physical, you know, threats to person. And. And so you got to look at all these things and work those angles. And, you know, Dan did that meticulously and he shared that information with us. And so if that came in, we got it. And we never got anything that. No Mossad or nothing. That was never. Not once did anybody.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, you know, I've interviewed a lot of warfighters. I'm a war fighter. A lot of times somebody on the team will have some type of a feeling or a premonition or, you know, hey, we shouldn't be here right now, or something's about to happen. I don't have a good feeling about this. Did anybody here on your team or Charlie, anybody express any concerns about that day?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

On that day, for us personally, when you walk in and, you know, we talk about workup, right? So we start the back workup, and then we're a little different also, as far as our guys don't just get to show up, the team goes out and we Physically build all of our prevention model so they don't show up and just see it. They physically build it and we walk through it each other and we make sure things are done right. And so our guys are pulling bike racks and putting them together and they're putting tape up and they're looking at places all around the bubble that our area of responsibility is. And so, you know, they're looking around thinking, God, this is horrible. You know, we're. It's a beautiful amphitheater there at uvu. But, you know, you're a tactician. If you're somewhere and you're covered from an elevated position, from 180 degrees, it's horrible. And that's where we were. But that's come out. It's like, why would they have it there? This is ignorance. You know, it's a security fail. And I'm like, well, one. That's where they told us we had to have it. We weren't optioned out anywhere else. There's a permit you have to get. And the school says, nope, this is where you have to have it. We don't get to argue with them. You know, we don't get to say no, but that's it. This is where you put. This is where you have to do it. And then secondarily, Charlie locked it. There weren't. It wasn't ticketing. You didn't have gates. People, regular people showed up. And we had spoke to him about it before. He was like, man, this is getting dangerous. You know. And his response was, I know. And so it's like, but if you ticket it and you make people jump through hoops to come in or pay or go through magnetrometers and just then the people with opposing views don't show up and then there's no conversation. And when there's no conversation, there's more division. And his goal was to have less division through conversation. And so the easiest way to get that was to open it up. And so. And that's not the first. I mean, UVU was a, an open air, but we did San Francisco where we had a street takeover and people trying to climb over fences and, you know, our primary and secondary exfil got compromised. And so it was, it was bad. Wow. And so we've had New Mexico where we had no law enforcement assistance and not, not last year, year before, and we end up physically just fighting our way out of there. And so it's like, we get it, the risk. But his response and his, you know, his mentality was that this is worth it. We're making gains here in your coordination with uvu.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, did they offer any assistance? Anything at all?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Did you ask them of anything?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely. So we come in and we start looking at things immediately, like, where are our risks? You know, it's a risk assessment when we come in. That's why we get there. That's why we start doing the advance so early. We walk it, you know, we build it ourselves. And. And so initially, we have. I spent thousands of dollars on drones last year and went and got the guy's license, but if the area lies in the Provo, Utah airspace, I can't fly it. That's a 107V the guy. We can't break the rules. And then you had secondary restrictions, probably due to heavy foot traffic for the school. But I can't go in and break the rules. There's laws for a reason. And then. And so now the school could have flown drones, the pd, but they didn't have them. Right. And then. And then.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

But Orem PD has a drone unit, active and professional. And that police department, I will tell you right now, is awesome. They are. They get it. They. They were there. They helped both on the soft side and the hard side. And so I started asking questions like, you guys have a drone unit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good. Do you have an MOU or a mutual aid agreement with the school? And they're like, yeah. I said, did they call you and ask for assistance? No. I'm like, why wouldn't you call? And then. So, you know, that's one. So just. I can't go in and break the law. I can't make my guys break the law. I can't go in and do something that would jeopardize their.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Do you have any idea why they would say no? I mean, did they. Did they. Was this malicious. Was this being malicious towards Charlie?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I don't know if Charlie. I don't know if knows the right one. I would say, did you ask. Did you ask this awesome PDF that would probably help you in a heartbeat. Did you have an MOU with. Did you even ask them? And the answer was from them. We didn't get asked. We didn't get asked. And then. So table the drones, which would have been awesome. Absolutely. I believe in them, but I can't break the law to do it. We're out there not only protecting them physically, but I have to protect the reputation of the client also. And that's a whole separate thing of protection. So the drones Would have been awesome. But I can't break the law. They could have used them. They chose not to. And you got overwatch, you know. Yeah, snipers on roofs. I got guys that are qualified. That's their career. But this is not a State Department job. I don't have an itar. And this is in Iraq, this is Utah. I can't go in and set up observation points with snipers. That's against the law. I can't break federal and state law to do what we need to accomplish. So that's their job. Our job is the close protection bubble. And there's a saying on this. And there's areas of responsibility. And we cut up the areas of responsibility in this, in this pre meet or, you know, when we start doing the advance. All right, we've got this, you've got this. And so, you know, they have that, that overwatch capability and they have an MOU for SWAT for that through aurum. Not utilized. Don't know why. That's a question for them to ask. Why didn't you call? Why didn't you ask for assistance? Especially when this crowd grew and grew and grew. I mean, good police tactics. If you're out and you have six guys that show up and all of a sudden this thing goes from 1500 to 2000 to 3000 people, you go, hey, we need some help. For all your pride or whatever it is, we need some help. I took 12 guys there. I had double the amount of people there that the PD had. And we're only responsible for the first 30 meters in movement, in and advancing and receiving and out. And we had 12 guys. They gave me six for the rest of the campus.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Geez.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And so that's not the question for me to say, why didn't they? That's the question for them. And so there was that one, the site, man, it wasn't up to us. Two drones. I can't break the law to do something I want to do. Otherwise I'd have showed up with an apc.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Well, with the drones, I mean, you were in coordination with local police department, correct?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No. The UVU has jurisdictional authority. It's their campus. Orem is the outside city. They weren't there because they hadn't asked, they hadn't been asked to come by, and we can't ask them to come. I can't call ORMPD and say, hey man, send me 10 guys. I can't do that. I don't have the authority to do that or the budget. But the city, I mean, the school PD has an MOU or mutual aid agreement with them. Why not just call them, say hey, can you guys send us 10 guys over here for overwatch? All that. And I say that only because we had previously talked about areas of responsibility and in the areas of responsibility and I had a. And our guys all have not only an area of responsibility, but there's a job in a job. So you have your area and you have a job for that area. But then you also know the guys area and job next to you in case he goes down or something, you have to backfill him. And then we have the bubble around the protectee and mathematically 2000 people are in front of you. Where's mathematically the threat coming from?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

The front.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Right. And so we're looking for walk ups, you know, people walk up, sitting down, a package walking away, displaying a firearm. Everything from throwing balloons full of piss to muriatic acid. We've had all kind of stuff thrown on us over the years. And so there's a reason why those things are set up that way and there's a reason why those guys that day were set up around there. Every guy has a job, every guy has a detail, every guy knows the guy's job next to him. And so we have that set and then we, other people have areas of responsibility. Well, the, the Monday before the event we were still working through the arrival and so we have concerns with rooftops. It's, it's. I mean we got a location that we're not keen with. We know what our responsibility is, we know what our statutory authority is. We know that we can't go up and set up our guys in sniper observer positions. It's not going to be allowed. And so we have some correspondence with the chief of the school on that day on Monday before Charlie was killed and why this hadn't come out and why he won't stand up like a man and admit this, I don't know. But he's watching a bunch of men lose their careers and he's okay with it. On Monday, before this correspondence went to Chief Long. Hello, Chief Long. We received this message today from the student group. There is a student roof access pretty close to where CK will be set up at the Utah Valley. The Sorensen center has a couple of staircases that go up to walkways on the roofs. He comes back and for edification, the Sorensen center was the building in front of the Lucy Center. And so, and he comes back, he says, you want access to the roof and came back and said, I was told students have access above us. If this is true, it would be nice to either have it controlled access or allow one of my guys to be there as well, if possible. He comes back and his last correspondence was, I got you covered. What else am I to do when a command level, a person from an accredited police department says, I've got this area. Geez.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Have you been in con. Who was that?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That was the chief of police for the UVU Police Department. We've called him. He's never called us back.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Holy shit. Does he have a name?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Chief Long.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Chief Long.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And. And I didn't know if it said Deputy in that or not because in. In the. In the correspond or in his stuff on the website it says Deputy Chief Long, but we just called him Cheap Long. So. So it's like, yeah, I. I got guys that are 10 times more qualified than what he could have produced for us, probably.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So literally all they had to do is post anybody at that stairwell.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Stairwell.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Or put a drone up or, or let us let you do your job.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Or let us, you know, we, we, we, we. Our, Our team is built.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Would it be okay if we put that screenshot of that text up for everybody to see?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So they know it's real?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely. And do a FOIA for his phone.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's a good idea.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Do a foia. Do a FOIA for his phone and have those records put out so everybody can see them. Do a FOIA for the communications for days leading up to it. Do it. And the truth's like a lion. You set it free and it'll fight for itself.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

One of my favorite sayings. Last question before we take a break. I just want to ask, were you understaffed or. I mean, was anybody sick? Did you have what you needed?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, we usually had been.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

This is the same as every other event.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No, no, we upped it. Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You upped it?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, we upped it. We usually would run 8 to 9, depending on how many movements and how much movement inside. And so based on no articulable threat, but just the current world situation prior to that day, we upped the manpower to 12, and then we had actually a 13 there that came in the. In the drive party. And so. But yeah, we upped it based on nothing because it's like, all right, that we're in a kind of a place where we don't want to be. We're expecting a big crowd. It's the first one. We don't want to get behind the eight ball. We in Security industry. It's a prevention industry, not a response industry. It is a response industry, but it should be a prevention industry. So we're there in the prevention model. And so you can see if you pull the schematic up, the placement I put for our guys. And on that day, thank goodness we had them, because where the tent was that Charlie was under, there's a giant walkway above him. And when we were doing the walk that morning, one of the things that didn't come out in our advance was there was giant rocks that they used for architectural design all around there. And so we're seeing these rocks on the ground and it's like, oh, people can come by and pick up these rocks and then throw them down on us and throw them down on Charlie. And so we did a temporary criminal trespass zone right above him on that bridge walkway so that people couldn't come in it and throw rocks down on them. But the problem is that we had to get PD units in here to take that area of responsibility. And we told them, hey, just like out there, we need you here to have oversight coverage. Because one, it's a tape line. It's not a hard wall or anything. And so you need statutory authority under Utah law to say, hey, you can't come in or you can be arrested. And so the PD came and did that. And then we had one Scott that did a hellacious job on making sure they stayed there and did their job. And so thank goodness we brought extra people. And so we upped our manpower for that one. Due diligence was done. You know, we had. It's weird in the security industry, I get calls all the time, and they're like, hey, we want to run a security detail. And we want, you know, 10 guys, former SEALs and operators and SWAT guys, and we want up armoreds and this and this. And then I'm like, all right, here's what it's going to cost. And they'll call back, all right, we want one guy and a Toyota Sienna, you know, and so budget's a factor.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And we eat a lot of money every year based on, you know, hey, last minute non approval people, but let's bring them in just to save our asses. And that's a regular thing. And so we had people for our assignment and our assignment, and our people's assignment was carry out meticulously. I mean, he had Dan next to Charlie. And Dan's only job is Exville. And you can see when Charlie got shot, within two seconds, Dan had his hands on him to push him down to the ground and then within you break it down forensically. Like within five seconds I was on top of Charlie and then you saw our team actually doing exactly falling back on top of him and collapsing back on top of him. Not one radio comms came out. It's unneeded. They all know their jobs.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Let's take, let's take a quick break. When we come back we'll get into actions on okay, perfect Y.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Buckle up.

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

All right, Brian, we're back from the break. We're getting ready to cover timeline and security during the event. Actions on. And so could you, could you walk me through the security section setup for the event?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Sure.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Who's placed where, what you guys are seeing?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. So we come in and we look at setup in the mornings. And like I said earlier, the guys are all part of it. So there's intimate knowledge. Every guy has intimate knowledge of the setup. So we come in, we do the placement of where Charlie's going to speak from, and that's kind of like the ground zero. And then we build out from that. And people are in the security industry, you know, you have this thing called the concentric store circle of security theory. Right. And it doesn't have to be a circle. It could be a line or a moving box or however you want to work it. And you have zones, and you have a permeable zone, a semi permeable zone, and a non permeable zone. And so you can come in on the fly and set up these zones. And so we come in and we set this up. So Charlie's tent was on that right in the middle. And then we start. So you want to start at the very back. And so we started with a non permeable zone, but it was, it was one of those ones where it's mainly visual and it's just tape across this arrival section. And all it is is caution tape. But it's just to keep good people good. That's it. We know that. And so, but, and then, and so that's just to let People, the foot traffic out that we know people won't come in there so that if somebody's doing something bad, they stick out.

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[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And then. And then inside that zone, we place our vehicles and you can kind of see it on the aerial or you can see it when you see the footage. We. We put those vehicles behind Charlie's where he's speaking for a reason that day. It's called Sept. Crime prevention through environmental design. A worry was that somebody would come down that same driveway and just run us run him over from the back or run us run people over. So you stack those vehicles so that the vehicles are being used kind of like big Hesco's or something.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Barricades.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, barricades. And so that people can't get. Get to them that way. And then. And then we, then we start then technically that's, you know, semi permeable. We still cover it. It's like, hey, people could walk through there, but they have to be knowns. And then we went with hard bike racks. So hard bike racks then come all the way across the back and they're linked together. And so those bike racks keep people from coming in, out unless they're vetted. And that's where you would start, the non permeable zone. And then we put a guy there and he physically is there to watch that his job, that's his area of responsibility, is he's back cover. He's making sure people aren't coming up from behind us. He's making sure that the right people can come in and out. They don't have to be back there. And we're not talking about a large area. We're talking an area that was maybe 100ft across, maybe more. And then there was also a police officer back there. We didn't request him to be there, but he showed up and so we're like, hey, might as well utilize you. And so he just held the position on the far left side. And then you got where the tent is, and then that's kind of where they get into the meat and potatoes of it. Because number one rule of protection detail work is evade and escape. It is if we can evade or escape any threat without having to confront it, it's a win. I told you that time about getting shot at with a shotgun. I was pissed because I didn't get to shoot the guy back and went back to the PD and I'm throwing shit and whatever. And my sergeant said, hey, man, you won. You didn't get shot at or you didn't get shot, he's in jail, you won. Well, that's kind of the way you have to look at that stuff in protection work. It's like, hey, let's evade and escape. And so things are set up that way. And so you have where Charlie sits and then you have a guy right next to him and that person's solely responsible for in times of need, pushing him, moving him, getting him out of that line of fire, or those actions, you know, escaping, evade, throwing him into that exfil vehicle that's parked right behind where we're at. And then you'll see we ran two double barricades. And those barricades are presidential style barricades. They're hooked in the same kind you see the Secret Service use. And so we have an outer and that first layer is just let everybody know, hey, you can't cross this. And they're physically, you know, keeps them from pushing over them. And if somebody comes over the top of them, you can see it just from the mirror elevation change. And then we create a secondary row of them with a gap in the middle of it. And that gap in the middle though, we didn't like it. He liked that because that was able to show, hey, there's nothing between us, right? There's nothing between us. Let's carry out this conversation. But. So I have two guys that are at that gap and they come up and one of them is a measure of a man who has physical capabilities that are incredible. And then the one on the right side is a jiu jitsu guy, world renowned professor. And so their job is if somebody tries to press through that gap or get close to him, then they're going to hold them up. And then just off their flanks are two other guys and Blake and Blake and those guys sole job is to control access into that alley. And also if somebody tries to breach the integrity of those two guys, they're there to apply violence so that they can hold that and we won't weaken our stance. So those jobs a response to apply violence on those people that are trying to weaken our stance. And then they're also access control into that little alley we've created. That alley creates a secondary gap, but it also allows us to vet people, make sure, no, you can't bring packages in, no water bottles, you know, check for protrusions, all that. So when they come through there and they're the gatekeeper keeper there, right? So on that one side he comes in, he makes sure. And then they come down, they passes off to the next Guy and he comes up to the microphone and speaks and then when he's done, he goes out the other side and that guy makes sure he moves on. And then that guy Blake on the other side make sure he goes all the way out. And so they, they have those, those guys are dual rolled where up they're there. If these guys have problems, they're going in to apply violence so that we don't lose any integrity of our protection so we can facilitate escape. And then they're also gatekeepers. And then you get deeper in the crowd and there's the guys that, what they're looking for is walk ups. The guys that are walking up close, they're in the crowd, they're in the crowd, they're working close, they're working in the crowd. And Rick's over there and Rick's job is to watch what's going on here and in turn and apply and look at the line and you look for things like military age males that aren't having social contact with other people. So they're up there but there's no looking around, there's no talking. They got prey gaze on the guy who's talking. No blinking. So there's, there's a hard prey gaze. No blinking. Or when you get closer, sick, excessive blinking. And so that's a good tell right there of a pre incident indicator of violence. These guys are out there doing that. All of them are doing it in real time. And so. And you're looking for that and how.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Many of those guys are there?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We have in that so far we've gone through 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6. All right. And then. So then we got those guys out in the crowd. We got Scott working it over on the flank to make sure people from above are not throwing rocks down on people. Chris is over there with them. You got Justin and Alex holding that hard line. You got response to violence. Guys right here you got intel. Gather a guy out here and making sure there's no walk ups and, or people that would walk up and physically we want to apply violence in close proximity. And then you start getting. We had to rotate some guys because we had people coming in and exactly doing that. Started pushing up signs, started chanting, started creating distraction in making problems. So we pushed a couple guys over just to keep an eye on that. And those are guys who are doing direct reporting. So they're the ones that are saying, hey, it's 14 of them. Or they're just doing signs. And so they're giving us real intel in real Time. And these are also the guys that work in the outfield. And these guys are out there for a reason. These are seasoned guys, these 30 year cops that have shown and not cops that are just in their checking boxes. These are guys that went to work every day and they're like, my job's to catch people, bad guys. How do you catch bad guys? By doing work. They're work finders. And so that's why I put them out there because they know how to go out and find work. They're not going to wait for work to come to them because it's too late. Then an example of that was before it's even over with. I mean, before it even started. We put those guys out in the crowd and they're walking around presence patrol, gathering information. And we saw some guys that were standing up in one. Not in the Sorenson Center, Lucy, but another area. And it was a guy that was in his 40s that looked like he wasn't. He obviously wasn't a student or was too old to be a student. He had a backpack, no socialization, wasn't talking to other people. And so we went up and do contact and conversation. Hey, Hal, what's going on? You know, what brought you here today? And then we did that several times. And then we turned all that information over to the FBI.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Is that the guy that was, Is this the guy that stood up? Okay, we'll get to that.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We'll get to that. And so those guys are in real time, out in the crowd. Because that's our area of responsibility, reporting real time intel to us.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So you got, you guys.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

If I were to, if I had.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

A schematic of this, of the venue right now, which we'll put one up. I mean, you have this entire venue broken into zones.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Zones.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You have scanning.

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Scanning. Every zone's covered from scanning. Not only do you not have. Not only do you not just have scanning, you also have actual plain clothes security professionals within the crowd.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We're all dressed like, we're just wearing regular clothes. We're not wearing suits and jackets.

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Yeah, I guess I meant detached from the detail.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Nobody really knows that they're in the security.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I mean, they look it. They're not, you know, they all have the look. Right. But they're not college kids. They're all tasked with an active responsibility for that area of responsibility. And then they overlap. So those areas of responsibility overlap. They don't go 200 meters out. Because there's a saying that in these guys, I always talk to Them about it, we train to it is you have your area of responsibility, but if you're looking out all over this, you're not gonna see anything. You gotta look at less so you can see more, and so you pare down what you're looking at and you pare down through that area of responsibility so you can see the things that are going on. And once that's cleared, you move to the next one. But if you're just looking out at the mountainside, all you're gonna see is the mountainside.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And the rooftops were supposed to be covered from the police drones.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

PD said, I got you covered, I've got you covered.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And so that zone was dropped.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes. And so that's the assignment of our team. You know, personal security detail is just that, personal. Our mathematics are there's 3,000 people within 50 meters, right. And so we're working that. And then we. Then you have that, but then you also have the guys that are inside that bubble. And then I'm off to the right of it. And my area right there is command control. It's, hey, man, we're looking a little weak over here. Or guys reporting in. I need assistance over here.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Right.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Can you see this? I can't see that. And so we're working in real time on comms for that and. Or helping fill in a spot. Somebody gets out of hand, I don't run over and jump on Blake and help Blake, because I know Blake's a big boy and he can handle himself. I go back, fill in where Blake just left so that we're not leaving something open to go address a threat unless it's something catastrophic, obviously. And then you saw in the video where something catastrophic happens, there's no chatter needed. There's no talk to be needed. Every guy's done that. We practice that. And there was a radio personality. I won't even say his name because he's not worth it. But he came out and he's like, look at this. These guys are like a football team. You can tell they were zipping and zapping. You can tell they rehearsed this. You can tell they. They were stayed. This was staged. And I'm like, they didn't even hesitate. And he's sitting there just cracking us because our guys didn't run around, like, with chickens with their head cut off. And I was like, yeah, that. We practice that how it's supposed to be. That's how that. When we train, we have iterations, whether it's PT or medical or shooting. And the Guy that finishes last. Cause everything's a competition. Cause that breeds near perfection. The guy that finishes last, he has to get carried by the team to the next generation. And how do we carry him? The same way we carry Charlie. So that's been done literally hundreds of times. And so you don't need to talk about what you need to do when you know what you need, need to do.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Was there anything strange, anything stand out, anything at all? Or did this just, you know, once you guys were in place, once the, once the event had started, Charlie was speaking, I mean, is there anything that seemed out of place at all?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Well, we do the arrival and, and we were supposed to do a meet and greet when he first arrived. And that meet and greet was in a hard room. Okay. But the timeline was a little off. So he decided where they radioed to us, hey, meet and greet's gonna be off. And so we're gonna run in and use the restroom real quick and then we're gonna go straight to the tent. And so that was a call off, but that's one of those things. It's not abnormal and we're used to that. But it doesn't change the plan other than we're going to a known, somebody's gonna receive him over there, everything's clear, which it was. So we had a guy back by the restrooms to receive them. I had the door to pop it open, he walks in, he goes, hey, Brian, did you get any sleep? Because we just got back from that South Korea, Japan. I said a little bit. And the last thing he ever said to me was it's going to be a good day. He said, good? I said a little bit. He said, good, it's going to be a good day. And so we used the restroom and then we did a couple meet and greets with some kids that were student volunteers just right by that tape. And so we did a hard line to keep people from walking up and then we proceeded right to the tent. And so he starts throwing out the hats, which is a thing of his guys are already in place at that time where comms, we're calling in, hey, walking up, you know, 5 seconds, 10 seconds, they come up, crowd reacts and then everybody goes to looking in their area of responsibility for, you know, walk ups, guns, people throwing things, stuff like that. And that would be the area right in front of them.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And with the. Just one more thing to cover the evacuation routes. I mean, we had already covered, you guys about been there. You'd had a presence there for two weeks prior. To the event. Do you have the routes to all the venues? More specifically the hospital?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Do you have multiple routes to hospital? What we do on that one is. And we're not there for two weeks, but we start working there for two weeks, and that all gets plugged in. Where are we going? And the one that we went to was the closest one, but it was a level three. Yeah. We knew that the next closest one was another seven minutes away. We're going to the closest one, and we beelined it to there. And I'll get into how we got there and what we did on the way in a minute. But, yeah, all that's plugged in. You know, all that. It's information and it's known. And we have a guy that, even though that route's pre done. Even know that's known, we still have a guy in there that's calling it out in real time on that right side. I mean, he's nav. And that nav is important, you know, because the guy's driving's driving. And we needed a Justin the expert drove that day, like, man, yeah. Incredible. And so, yeah, all that's known beforehand. And so when people said, oh, you should have done an ambulance there, it's like, well, one. I can't make the city put an ambulance there. Now, there is a Utah law that says for mass gatherings like that, a Utah law says that for mass gatherings, a health officer needs to be assigned. I don't assign them. The PD does, whoever does. And then it says in that law, it says that they may determine where an ambulance is on standby. And I'm like, okay, well, they did have standby UTV medical there, but I can't make them make that right. And first rule of emergency medicine, when EMT goes, because I've done this, if you don't walk into the room when you're doing your skills portion and say, hey, is the scene safe? They fail you and you're done. Right. And so those medics that were around that buggy were nowhere to be found. Why? Because they're taking cover like everybody else. And so. And the type of wound that we had, it's not a wait till the ambulance gets there. Yeah, And I'll talk about that and what that doc said and transport and all that. So all that was known and all that's done in the workup.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So looking at hindsight here through the security footage, I mean, it came out that, you know, the shooter went unnoticed at 11:50am in the grassy area. 12:02pm near the loose center. And then at 12:23pm when the shot was fired approximately 142 yards away, what was, you know, what was your immediate response?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I'll address the shooter in the timeline. First, it's like, you know what I want to know? I want to know when he got on the roof. Because we're shooters. It's easy because we have a range, and our guys do it as a sense of pride, even though we know we work on all this other stuff. More the shooting we work on because it's a sense of pride. And then. So you look at things like that in that shooting position, 3 meters to the right and 10 meters to the left, there was no shot. And so I want to know when that guy got on the roof.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Let's put the visual of what that looks like on the screen right now.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We took that shot before, really? We always do. We sat down in the space and we take the shot and send it back to Charlie so that he can see what he's going to see. Yeah. And that's a routine thing that we do.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's a good idea.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. Mental preparation. Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So here's a visual of what you guys.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Correct.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Were able to see.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yep. And so here's my question. And. And hopefully it'll come out in timeline. All right. We've all seen the pictures of the guy when he came on through the staircase. It's like, okay, there's a difference between a guy walking up and getting on a roof and a guy walking up and getting on a roof. And did he run over to a known position? What you're doing there tactically is you're working a loophole. You guys did that on a roof. You bang a hole through one side, you know, and then you step back and you put another hole, and you shoot through that hole. And that opportunity comes through. Like, this is a big loophole. And so you're telling me you just ran up onto a roof, pop yourself down in a position that was in a loophole.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Can you describe that loophole again real quick? Just now that we have the visual up so people can see it, you.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Get up on this Sorensen Center. I mean, not Sorensen, Lucy Center. That's behind the Sorensen Center. And so from where we're sitting, where we're standing, we can't see it. 1. It's not our area of responsibility. So that's why we're not looking there first. 1. We're looking at threats right in front of us. You see how many threats do you have in front of you right here, about 3,000.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

3,000, right.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And so that's what we're looking at. And then it's kind of like you could be in front of an 18,000 foot mountain and there's a 36,000 foot mountain behind it. You're not going to see it. And so we have to be cognizant of that. And then if he would have stopped just a little bit to the right, he wouldn't have been able to see it because the source and center would have been in the way. I mean you can.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's a very specific point. It's not just. Which is what I thought. I thought it was just climb on the roof and you've got the vantage point.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So you're telling me there's a blind ass look that you ran up there, didn't crawl, you didn't, you didn't get up. He didn't get up there. Like the secondary guy that tried to shoot Trump where he was bug down in the weeds for a while. This was a boom on boom run to boom. Take this shot. And it's like. Did you get all that off?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It had to have been rehearsed to find that. To find that. Which I believe you said is basically a. What did you say? Seven foot. Seven foot vantage point. Basically head.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Oh, I'd have to. It's small. Whatever. It's not big.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

There's the visual. Who gives a fuck? It's a small, small area.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It's not something.

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And then you would have to search for that.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You would have to search for that vantage point if you didn't know. So it would be great to see the footage. Maybe it's out there of him running straight to the point or did he search around looking forward?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Exactly what I want to know do we have be great.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

If that chief of police would have.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Put that fucking drone up, we'd have had it. Or I'd have flown that drone up his ass if we could have had one. So those are questions I have. Those are tactical questions. I mean we, we make our guys do that kind of stuff all the time. Yep. No, you're going to run 300 yards, you're going to jump over this wall, you're going to come home and you're going to take this shot. With ours is about 35 foot declination at 200 yards. And you see guys that are even trained miff it every once in a while. And people are like, oh, that's an Easy Whip at 142. I'm like, yeah, the shot itself, but you're talking about old men that shoot stuff on sandbags. You and I both know, under duress, accurate shots are different.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's not.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

A.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

142 yards is not a difficult shot with a magnifying optic. It becomes more difficult when you're winded, when you're climbing, when you're running, when.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You are nervous, visual noise all in.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Front of you, when you're wondering if anybody else is seeing you. I mean, there's a lot of induced stress and you know, and I just want to, you know, I mean, we're looking at this thing right now, this first person view of what it looked like from under the tent. And I mean, I don't know how long he was in that gap for, but it didn't sound like it was very long. And you have 3,000 and other threats that you're looking at. The rooftop supposedly being covered by the police. Maybe it would have been a good idea to make confirm that the police had the drones up. But I mean, you are talking to the chief of police. You would think that he would have.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

The fucking drones up. We knew there were no drones, but then somebody earlier that day flew a drone up, correct? Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So actually you probably wouldn't have confirmed because there are drones up.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

We didn't know where it came from. And we're like, what's the deal with this? Now it's not uncommon for the video team to throw a drone up and then take a quick shot. And we've had that before. Now their drones are different because they use those little bitty ones and so they're not covered under the requirements. And so it's like, again, yeah, you're right, we do I need to call a grown ass man and say, hey, are you doing your job? Do I need to do that?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You shouldn't.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You know, this is, you know.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Especially a man in that position.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And it's okay, man, I'm not a fan. But you know, Bill Belichick won for a reason. He told his people, hey, do your job. And hey, if you don't want to do your job, that's fine. Do the job you said you were going to do. How about that one? So that's kind of where our guys are set up on there. And then I was to Charlie's right.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

There were a lot of. There's a lot of chatter on the.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Internet about hand and arm signals from the security team. There's been concerns about it from my own personnel that work here. I've worked security Details. Done a lot of sniper work.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Did you ever use hand and arm signals?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I used hand in arm signals every single time, on every detail, everywhere I went. And you know, one of the rumors was, oh, you know, he's got the ball cap. He did the ball cap wiggle. That's. That's the Marine Corps sniper. I've done a lot of sniper operations. Nobody wears ball caps.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So you're so. So that was my lead question. You ever use hand signals and it's like. Yes. Were your hands.

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You had already established.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I'm just, I'm going to cover for you here because that. This is a rumor that I just hate.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I know.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Because that is what it takes. You can't be on the radio all the time because you're tying the net up. We had already established that you had other security professionals within the crowd that you're trying to communicate with. And that's how you do it. That is how you do it.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Well, I'll speak to this one. You're using hand signals or if you were to use hand signals and those are an option, especially like under MVG or things like that one. Are those hand signals, normal ones that you would see during normal gesticulation. Are those definitive hand signals? They're definitive so that they can't be confused with a guy scratching his ass. And so that's the first one. The second one is that hand signal when a bubble team is there. We're not using hand signals. Sniper details. Absolutely. Why? Because you can see that. Are we looking around at each other looking for hand signals? We're looking at. In the front. In our area of responsibility, if we needed to relay a message, then we would. Hey, right here on comms and. Or we're notorious for. If I need to get somebody's attention on the team, I'm not going to sit there and use a hand signal. If he's in my line of sight, I'm just going to go like that. He's going to look up and I'm going to go. And so if I looked up and did a hand signal on the team and did that or that he's gonna look at me like, so what do you want me to do then? So for that, that's not good communication. It has to be definitive. It has to be necessary.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It could be an acknowledgement. I mean.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yep, receive.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Get me out of here.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yep, you're right. Absolutely. Yeah. And what you're doing there is deliberate. Yeah, these are deliberate, you know. Yeah. So no, we don't use hand signals. On that one. We didn't use hand signals that day. We've never used hand signals other than the general ones. Come here, here. Two people here. You know, none of that was done. None of that was done. You had Frank Turek and people messing with him because he adjusted his hat. It's like, okay, and substantiate. All right, so he touched his hat. There were a line of people in the front and all the other people that also did all kind of things before that. It's like everybody's subject to that. I get it, man. I'm a huge. And I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but I do believe that there. There are things out there bigger than you and I, that are in operations. It's a fact. I also am a huge believer in the First Amendment. And so these people that are out there saying all this, back up. Why is the First Amendment so, so important? Because back in the day when our founding fathers said, men, why do we need this Amendment First? Because a voice is an arms for people that don't have arms. That's what it was for. A collective or a single voice could be powerful to a hierarchy of people that can't be conquered with an arm. So we have to have this voice and we have to protect this voice at all costs. And they said. And they wanted us to have that, and that's why they put it first. And it should be used as a shield. Well, nowadays with the media and now social media, that right has been used as a sword and the sword of public opinion. It's okay, well, let's just put a bunch of lies out there and claim First Amendment and we can say whatever we want. It's like, when's that stop? And literally, whatever you want. You've seen some of the idiocy out there. Palm gun exploding microphone, hand signals. It's like you don't even. It doesn't even have to be true, and it doesn't matter. And so you're just using that First Amendment as a sword and not a shield. And we got to step back at that and look at it. I was talking to your guys earlier and I was like, at some point, you put those people in the Way Back machine, and the way Back machine is you take them to 1985, and when people said something that was untrue about you or your family and they said something bad about you that. That other people heard, you split their lip. There's a consequence, an immediate consequence, not a consequence that comes through a lawsuit three and a half years later, an immediate consequence so that a level of respect is gained. And then also if you do this again, I'll see you next time as well. At some point, some people need to be put in the way back. Machine.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Definitely not going to disagree with you on that one. So let's talk about the, the immediate response. Let's get back to that. Could you tell it was gunfire?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yes.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

How could you tell?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I've been around gunfire my whole life. That's the first one. And so. And there's a, there's a different type of gunfire. Right. We were at Berkeley last night and you heard somebody decided to pop off some bunch and they were loud like six, seven M 80s at a time. And people started panicking and running. And one of my guys, look, I said that's not gunfire. It's a different sound. You have an attribution of sound. And so you're used to it and having a range and so you're around it and you even get to like, well, that was a rifle. That's a pistol. That's a big boy rifle, that's subsonic. I mean, you can pid all those with your ear. I'm no sniper, but you're out there hanging out with those guys and you get that sniper's ear pretty quick because they say, hear that? That's what that is. And so I've got my back to Charlie about, I don't know, less than 10 meters off to his right. And my area of responsibility just. We had a big. A lot of people coming up some staircases there and it was starting to fill in. And so I was watching that and I remember I heard the gunfire and then I don't know if you've heard this, but I heard that bullet slap him. And so you hear two sounds actually. And so you hear the actual shot and then you hear the bullet hit him in the neck like you hear it. And so in my head I had an attribution to that. Oh, I know what that is. And so I turned and when I turned, turned, tried to run. And that's when Dan grabbed him. And I mean, this is a live fire event. It's not everybody, everybody thinks in hindsight, well, this is a one shot assassination in our heads. There's fire.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You don't know what that is.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

There's fire. There's more to come, right? And so Dan grabs Charlie and then.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Who's Dan?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Dan was the guy standing right next to Charlie when he got shot on the stage. And then I was to the right of Dan.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Okay.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And so he grabs him, and then I turn and see him start to the ground. But then I'm just thinking gunfire. And then he's leading to the ground because I'm on his right. Well, he was shot right here in the left of his neck. And so I jump down on top of Charlie to cover him, because where we're at, it's concealment at best. It's a tabling with cloth on it. So it's not hardcover. So. And guys, our guys are starting piling back in, and they're down, putting a human shield around him, but it's still just concealment. It's not cover. And so I initially dove down on top of him and just was on him almost face to face. And then when I was doing that, I went down. I could see. See the wound. And so I immediately shoved my hand into the wound to stop the bleeding, just trying to find the pressure. And it was coming out still. And I'm on top of him up close, and it was still coming out enough that it. I guess it squirted through my fingers and I could taste it on my lips. And so I was like, man, this. This a bad wound, right? And so I was just pushing that. And I don't know at that time, I know when you look at the clock, I was on him within five seconds and had my hands in him. And then I don't know, when I put the first piece of medical on him, it was sometime after that, because I carry it right here. And that's why you carry it on you. You got to have it there. So. But then I remember pulling back away and thinking, damn, this is bad. Like, it's coming out. And I don't remember saying this, but the guys told me, and you can kind of see it on the video. I said, prep the car. And I just prep. And you see the two guys just take off. And that car's prepped in position. But what I mean, doors are open. I mean, the whole deal. And so we're doing pressure control there. And it's a carotid artery, so you can't put a tourniquet on it, obviously. And in my head, I'm like, you know, pack pressure. Pray, man, these are what you can do for that wound. But then. So I'm on top. And then I told the guys, we got exfil. We're all out here in the open. We're trying to give wound care, and we gotta get off this X, right? And so. But I just said, we're ex villain. And so we got up, I think it was like 15, 16 seconds from the time the shot happened to the time we were picking him up and heading.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

15 to 16 seconds.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's what it was. Yeah. And so that's fast. And this is horrible, but that is fast.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

To get an initial assessment. Plug a hole, pick him up, move them.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And so it's. It's just like, dang. And it's some horrible realities of it too, that like I told the guys this and I haven't you. When I jumped down on him, he had doll's eyes. And so I was like, man, these are wounds incompatible with life, you know? Yeah.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You want to take a break? Let's take a break.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You want a minute? Good.

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[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Sorry about that, man. Dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fine. It's mainly the. It's going through your head. Like I said, I was like, man, this is a bad wound. It's not compatible with life. And that's an old medical phrase that you use for reporting later.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, I hate to get graphic, but that's.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Yeah, no, no, that's how you do it.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I remember the eye thump.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yep.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

If there's no movement after you thump the eye, that is done.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Same, same. And so at the time, I mean, I broke down just then, but some of my close friends had told me I didn't weep a tear after that for like three weeks. Not, you know, it's like, hey, man. And I was like, yeah, there's a time for that. You know, these guys, me, the guys I'm with, we've seen a lot of effects of violence, messed up kids, guys that stick things into kids and just horrible people. Right. And you compartmentalize that junk, right. So that you can, you got a job to do. And then sometimes those things, when you open that box, they come out. Right. And that was one of them. So, you know, I'm sure it's good for me at some point, but so we get back to that. And so I'm down on him. And I don't know if I. When it sprayed me in the face, it caused me to flinch back or what. But then sometime around then, I say they prep the car. And you see two of the guys just take off towards the car. And then Gibby and Rick and Dan and we. And me, we. I said, hey, that's exfil now, you know. And so we get up in the timeline on. That's like 15, 16 seconds, something like that, where you can see we're prepping. But the problem is direct pressure, right? So when you're in a medical deal and you been in. I've had these before on major accidents and GSWs, when you show up on causes, you. You can't give direct pressure and move right in exfil. And you can't. You have to. You have to have counters, like giving cpr. You can't give people CPR like that. You have to have something. So it's like, hey, okay, well, let's just get in the car.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You can't.

[Narrator/Announcer (Podcast Ads and Introductions)]

Yeah, but then you can't apply direct.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Pressure to move either, because it's the neck and there goes the airway, right?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And so it's just a.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's. It's damn near the worst place.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And then, like. And then you don't give first aid when it's raining on you still, right? Or this first shot, second shot. How many more is coming in? So, you know, and so I was like, hey, let's just call for exfil. So I called for xfil. And so they. Let's go. The guys had prepped the car. So we're carrying. We trained officer down. I don't know how many times or, you know, person down. And we were carrying. And you can see it on the video. Rick breaks off at the perfect time. He goes around to the other side, jumps in. We do the drag. Don't try to shove the guy in. Half the team pushes in, the other half team drags from the other side. There's no comms for that. Just knew. He knew that's what we need to do. We've done that. He's done that. We've got careers built on doing that real time and in training. And so guys weren't helping. Justin gets in. He knows his job to drive. That's his job. Dan jumps in. He knows he's nav. And so we're back there. Rick, we pull him across. Frank Turek, it just jumps in the back. And so he's a known. So I was like, yep, it's Frank, but I'm not gonna fight him on it. Frank's there because Frank's hurting, you know, and it's one of those things where you have dead kids on calls and you're not supposed to at the crime scene, be contaminated. But I'm not going to deny a parent the ability to come in and say goodbye to their child. And Frank's many times said that Charlie felt like he was his son. I'm not going to deny him that. All this is running. And so we get in. Charlie was a big man long. We kind of laugh about it now, but we get him in. But the door's not going to close. We know that. And I just say go. And we didn't even attempt to close it. I told Justin, go, go, go. So he takes off. Dan's already got the route done. We know that because we've done it. And so we take off in direct action. We get out onto the main road and we're in a slick suv, no light sirens. And so we're breaking our own intersections, we're cutting our own traffic. We're doing everything ourselves. Justin's driving. I mean, it's. He's a trained driver. I mean, that's what our guys go to driving school for. Just for that. It's expensive, it costs a lot, but it's a need. And it paid off because he drove like a champion. Dan's up in there calling out, right, lefts. This is next turn, 20 meter, you know, 200 meters left. So he knows exactly where he's going. Rick and I are in the back. And this is where it gets. Not funny. But you look back on it now we. Rick pulls Charlie across, and then I'm working off my kit. And you always, when you build a kit out like that, you build it to where the stuff you need the soonest or most important is on the outside, right? And so all the bleed control is right here in front. So I'm just working out of the. Out of the kit right there. And so I'm just, you know, packing pressure. Repack gets. It gets saturated. You don't take it out. You just keep packing on top of it. The problem is we're going down the road and Charlie's so tall that his leg, his left leg is down in the door, and the door won't close. And so I'm on my knees with the door open with my butt hanging out of the side, and I'm on my knees doing the medical. And Justin's driving. You know, we're going 60, 80, 100. And Rick has me across the kit and my shirt so that I can use both hands to do the medical.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

One so you don't fall out of the fucking car.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So I don't fall out. And I just look at him and I don't need to say, you got me. He's got me. I know he's got me. Rick's a brother. He's got the tattoo. And so I was like, he's got me. And so I just. I'm just working medical. And Frank's praying out loud. Rick's praying out loud.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Does he have a pulse at this point?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And there's no way.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

In a situation like that, I'm not gonna stop and take pills.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I didn't know if somebody else had one or no.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And So I have SpO2 monitor there. I've got all the stuff for it. I could have put it on, but it's irrelevant. It's irrelevant to treating that wound. Right. And so I've got to stop that bleeding. That's my primary thing. And so whether he had a. Where he had a pulse, then it's unknown. The body's an amazing thing that can do things even when it's technically, you know, destroyed. And so my concern is bleed control. And so I'm just. Rick's got me. Justin's driving. World's coming by. I'm working, putting. I ended up putting about 36ft of dressing in him. And then four. Four by fours, and then two hemostatic four by fours. Sheesh. And then just pressuring the whole time. So you're adding pressure as much as you can get. Pressure, adding pressure. And so we are heading to the hospital. You know, it's a known. We're heading there, breaking intersections. We picked up a tail from PD somewhere along the way. And I know some audio came out about that, and I think they thought it was a secondary person that had been shot, you know, and. But we didn't know if it was an active shooter. You know, everybody that says, oh, you should have treated him there and not moved him, stop the bleeding. I'm like, well, yeah, I know. Same way. I was like, man, if it. No, that's not medicine. Doesn't happen on the X. You know, any. Nothing happens. Somebody shoots at you, you get off the X. Right. And so. And we didn't have cover just for anybody that's listening.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That is rule number one. Law enforcement, military, any security, anything get off the X. Yeah. And so rounds are coming in.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And so we get to the hospital. Actually, we make it to the hospital through the traffic. We've got full wound pack in. We get out and we carry in to the door. Once we make it into the door, when we see a gurney on the left hand side, we put him on a gurney and then I wheel him into a room. I start giving the patient information to the staff there. I end up getting on top of him and cutting the shirt that he had on off, that white freedom shirt. And so I cut it off so they could get to him. So that I didn't articulate this to them, but I wanted to get that stuff off so they could put a defibrillator on him. And so. And then started talking about pushing drugs. And so I was back and forth with them on drugs and defibrillator. And so then, you know, once you get that shirt cut off and moved out of the way, you know, there's enough of medical professionals in there. And so I just want to get out of their way. And so I got out of their way and walked out of the room and stood outside the room and held guard on the outside door of the room so nobody else could come in there.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Covered in Charlie's blood.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, all over my face. My Rick and I had it all over our arms from about here down was just covered. And. Yeah, and it was. Yeah. I feel bad for the hospital staff because we showed up looking like that and they didn't know we were coming, even though we had called 911. But I don't know what happened to that. So we show up and guys got blood all over their face. And carrying a guy with blood solid on my pants and shoes. And so then I just stood out there. And then finally this lady, and I feel horrible, she came up to me and she said, hey, come with me. And she took me in a room and physically washed my face and my hands and stuff. A nurse that was there, the hospital. So I was like, man, what humanity.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Man.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So it's. There was a. You saw a lot of beautiful things. A lot of beautiful things. Rick was there. Same thing with him. He's going through the same thing. He's covered in it. And Justin's there and Dan was there. And everybody's got this look of bewilderment, like, hey, you know, like. And so I told Justin, I said, check on the men and call your kids. Because I was worried about them. Because when we left, our guys went back into the crowd. Cause they didn't know because everybody was on the ground. So those guys that were still there. They went back in the crowd searching for other victims.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

No kidding.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, because they didn't know because everybody's just laying there frozen. And so once we got out of there, they went back in and started searching for other victims and people that had been shot. And so I didn't know their status. And it was horrible, Compoundingly horrible. When I jumped down on top of Charlie, my phone came out of right here. And so, of course, I just left it. I didn't know it came out. So I get to the hospital, and I don't have the ability to call my children and tell them I'm okay or my parents or my fiance. And when I travel abroad, any old conus job I do, I have a workup, and it's all the numbers and everything, and I have it hidden. And so I can call conus job. And I mean, I can still remember numbers from when I was in high school with my friends, but just don't remember numbers nowadays. And so I couldn't call them. And so they're at home just suffering because I can't call them.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Damn, man.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So I was like, man, I can do better than that, you know? So finally got a hold of my ex wife and then said, hey, from another somebody else's phone. Thank me. I like Facebook messenger or something. I can't remember what it was, but it was like, hey, we'll figure this out. And then I said, hey, I'm gonna call. Answer the phone. And my daughter answered the phone, and she had already gone to her house waiting to hear something. And so there's always a concern in her voice, But I said, hey, I'm good. I'm fine. I'll call you when I get a chance. And so I started asking for check ins for the guys that were still at the scene. Like, hey, everybody. Okay, read me in. We have other victims. What's going on? And they got retasked. That same chief of police came out, said, hey, y', all, hold this crime scene and help us look for other clues. And I'm like, that's a no, no. But they did it. And so they. They were back there, and then they were just trying to figure things out. They were there for a while, man. Yeah. So it was chaotic, but, you know, you find chaotic situations. You find ways to control it inside that situation. Right. And they did a good job at that.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, there's been a lot of rumors going around about there was no autopsy, none of that. Was there an autopsy?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

There was. And I can speak to that personally, I can speak to that. The one for those people saying that, Do a foia. Do a FOIA to the medical examiner's office, to Utah County. Get off your lazy ass and do it for you. They may not give you the autopsy information right now, but they'll certainly tell you, yeah, there's an autopsy. That's the first one. The second one was the OR doc. Well, your question earlier about a pulse. We'll get back to that. And so they end up working him in the room and they end up taking him to the or. Because they got a pulse.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

They did get a pulse.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

They did get a pulse. But Charlie was a healthy man. He was very cognizant of his health and he was a strong guy.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

They've had a pulse.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

But hold on, how long had it.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Been since the shot to the hospital?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I have no idea. But you can.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, that is a jugular shot.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You can be dead. A central nervous system. You got a strong heart. Right. And that's what the OR doc told me.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Okay?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

He said that's what it was. Holy shit. Yeah, and so I have no way of. I'm not a doctor. I just know what he told me, you know, and so we go to that. And I'm sorry, what was your question again?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

We were talking about the autopsy.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Oh, the autopsy. And so once they came down and said he didn't make it. And, and, and he talked about, he said if he had been shot in the or, I wouldn't have been able to save him. And I was like, I mean, he's just kind of confirming things that already knew. And so, and so I don't know how long. Well, I don't know what the timeline was, but I want to say I can't remember who it was, but I knew, I was like, we're not going to turn this into some jfk. And I specifically asked one of the doctors, I don't know, I remember what she looked like, dark skinned, like, dark hair, probably 35, 40 years old. I said, how long until we can get an autopsy? And I remember her saying, a day, a day and a half. And I was like, oh. And so, I mean, she's the boss of that. That's just information. And so I remember, I was like, man, that's a long time. We need to get this autopsy done and done right so that there's not some conspiracy. I mean, you're starting to think forward of that. And so I remember I was standing next to the chief of staff and the Vice President called and the vice president asked him, what do you need? And then he looked at me and said, what do we need? And I said, we need an autopsy now. So for these people that are saying there wasn't one done, go away. It was done. It was done. Do it for you. Yeah. Get the report when it comes out. It was done. It was done. Yeah. And the OR doc released statements regarding. And there has been statements regarding the bullet in the travel. Oh, there should have been a blowout, and there wasn't. There wasn't an exit wound. There wasn't one. I was checking for that in the ride. Yeah. And so people are like, yes, it's completely impossible. And I was like, man, I've seen bullets do weirder things on people. And so all I know is what I saw. There wasn't an exit one. And so I know there was an autopsy done one, because we requested it. They were there. And the second one was the local, so. And I believe it was the state police. They did the body transfer that night through the either Emmy's office or funeral home to the ME that night and took them there. So for them to say that somebody broke the rules or turning point, didn't follow the rules, that's lies. It's conjecture, and it's lies. All that's people is when people look at themselves. Yeah, it happened.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Do you think that the entry wound looked like an exit wound?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No, it was an entry wound.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Why do you say that?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So 1. There wasn't an exit wound because I remember rolling his head over and cleaning it so I could see if there was an exit wound. And then I was having to open the wound up some to get more. And packing. If you've ever done an exit wound, it's not that hard. It's a lot bigger, and so you can feel it when you're. You know, the rule of kind of thumb on that one is you don't want to make it bigger, but you got to keep packing it in there. And so, yeah, I've heard and seen them all. Like, there was a guy that said, you know, that the mic blew up and it was a bomb.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah, we were. I was gonna wait. Yeah. There is a guy online that is saying that the microphone may have had some type of explosive projectile inside of.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

It, so it wrapped around the neck and created a hole.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's the thing that I couldn't. I just couldn't wrap my head around either is the accuracy that would have to take place from an explosion to actually get you in the neck. But then other People are saying that there was maybe, that maybe the explosion killed him. And then in fact there's actually some camera footage that somebody has done some type of assessment on. But I mean you cut his shirt off, right? Did you see any burn marks? Did you see any indication of any type of explosion?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Back it up even further to that. You've been around explosing and shaking explosives and stuff like that. It's like what do you have when you have that? They had that down to like frames, right. Where did, where was the flash? If that was an explosion, where was the flash? You have oxygen exchange to create the explosion. Where was the flash? Where was the char. It didn't exist. Do you know.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

If his equipment is assessed before it's put on?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, it's actually held up there. That company that is a contract subcontracting company for them, they hold that all up there because you know, and they get, they're around it, almost guarding it because people will steal it. And so, and it's inside the non permeable zone. Okay. So nobody has access to it. It's set up in there. Even the boxes are kept in there. And so it's inside that and so it's on them. And then you can see they walk up and actually pin it on him. So it's, it, it, that system is integratized also. And, and again it's a reach go all the way back to where's the explosion. You got frame by frame.

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I'm, you know, when, when that theory.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Came out, I mean I, I, I mean I don't think it, I don't think it's necessarily out of the question. I mean we know about the pagers.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, but you know, I mean the way I looked at it was he was wearing a loose fitting T shirt that had a, I believe the road mic with the magnet, you know.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Strapped onto his shirt on the other side.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah, from the window, he's moving around. And so that, you know, that microphone, if it was a perdition projectile, it would have had to have been pointed at the exact same spot, which would have been impossible to do with a loose shirt.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Right.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, and so, and then the, the, I mean the, there would have been an entry wound. It wouldn't have gone to the other side of the neck, you know, but it, and then, you know, there was a, oh well it was a trigger man, you know, with a device to initiate the blast. And it's, but still though, I mean to have him moving around like this and his shirt, his Loose shirt to have a piece of weight while he's moving around. I mean, you just, you could not probability it would be a coincidence for it to actually happen the way that it did. It would be a coincidence. It would not be. I don't think he could chalk that up to skill. Unless the explosion is what killed him. But what you're saying, no flash, no blast, no char, no char, no burn marks, no nothing.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's a real time c. You cut.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

The shirt off, you would have seen it.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's a real time see too, you know, you've seen explosions.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I've seen a lot of explosions.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And so you have those attributions. Where's the attribution to the explosion inside those frames. That doesn't exist. Exist. Don't try to make something into nothing. Right. And so I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at things. By all means we should. I mean, we look at people in press and history of the United States, how valuable they've been. And I applaud these guys that are out there humping and working to want to have the truth. But don't say you're searching for the truth when you're lying to get it. And that's what's happening because you're not searching for the truth, you're searching for clicks.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I think that the people posting these, I don't know, you know, I mean, I have mixed feelings. I think some people are legitimately just trying to figure it out. I think that there are other people that are very obviously making a living off of sensationalizing this. But, you know, I mean, I think we live in a time where people, including myself, don't know where to find the truth. They don't know who to believe. They are starting not to even believe their own eyes.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And do you blame them?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

No, I don't.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Not at all. Me neither. I mean, I don't.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I have zero faith in any of these institutions.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You think about this. There is a guy out there and he has a company called Paramount Tactical and his name's Gary. And Gary took an ass whipping online because he went out there and said, and he did exactly what we're talking about right now. And people whipped his ass for telling the truth because he bucked the system. He said, now look at this. And he broke it down from a professional standpoint because he has a background in it and a probability standpoint. And I hadn't talked to him and he was like 95% right, even on the medical stuff. But then he took an ass whipping online for it. And I sat and watched it from afar. And it's like, so people get chastised for telling the truth. And then you've got like you said, who do you believe? I mean, our media, they big, big poll, they polled our, our people in the United States. And how many of you believe the media in the sense said 70% of them don't believe a word that comes out of the media. And I'm like, well, let's look at this. If a baker makes bread every day and 70% of his product tastes like crap, how long is he going to be in business? And then why do we keep letting these people be in business? And then so that's the big media. You think that's worse online? And then who's to blame? The idiot that's lying or the big Facebooks, Instagrams and exes that are making money off them lie and then they're monetizing the lie too. It's kind of like back in the day you had the National Enquirer that made money offline. They sold the little cheap papers. All these guys are. And these things are our version of National Enquirer and they're monetizing that lie. But I say, man, guys, you're losing value of how important that is. You could be the Watergate guy that breaks the truth, but you're taking that away from people. It's like, be the one that tells the truth. Be the paramount tactical that's willing to take a whipping to tell the truth.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I think, you know, I've talked about this a lot recently, but you know, I think, I think you have to be willing to poke holes in your own story. You can poke holes in everybody else's story and that's fine, but you also have to be willing to poke holes in your own story.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Great way to put it.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, you should be poking holes in your own story. If you are really a truth seeker, you should be poking holes in your own story along with everybody else's.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

But where's the oversight to do that?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

It's gone.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Put a couple guys in the Wayback Machine and you make it down quick.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's true, that's true. You know, you were something that I forgot to bring up with the hand and arm signal type stuff is that it looked, you know, there was a lot of chatter on the Internet that you took. I believe it was a female that handed you some something.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Handed me something on camera.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I believe it was you. Did anybody hand you anything?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No, no. The only the only thing that, you know, I did. I remember before Charlie was shot in my area, I saw a little American flag on the ground, and people were just walking around it like it was nothing. And I just walked over and picked it up and put it in my pocket. And that's the only thing that, you know, Nothing. There was some stuff about the guys that said that and the FBI called on that. Like, hey, I forget which one. You can see one of them do a hand motion to another. Did you hand something off? And they were like, no, there wasn't a handoff. There wasn't a key exchange. Gibby reached back here at one point and, like, adjusted his radio because when he jumped over the table, people, you know, it partially came loose or something. But. And I. And I asked all the guys, did you guys exchange anything? And like, no. And then you can break down the video, break it down to the point where do you. You're saying that you saw their hands? What. What got exchanged? There's nothing that got exchanged. Nothing. Is there a.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Do we have that footage? Jeremy, could you pull that up real quick? Here it is.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's Chrissy. Those are mints.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

She works there.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

She works there.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Those are mints. Okay.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, put them in my pocket. She walks around the hands. So she hands out. She's an angel. She takes care of us. She makes sure that we're hydrated. She buys the stuff to put in the sodium electrolytes. Electrolytes to put in the drinks. She walks around, gives us mints, checks on us. Her husband, angel, does the same thing. And so, yeah, that's who that is. Yeah. Not uncommon. Yep.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

There was a man on the team who, after he was shot, I believe he was on the security team, runs towards the vehicles, hangs out outside the vehicles and takes. I believe it was a TikTok selfie video. Do you know who this is? Can you pull this up, Jeremy?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Is it the one where he said Charlie just got shot? Yeah, yeah. He's with the audio visual team. Yeah, it's a company that they contract to shoot the footage. It's also the one. He's the guy that went up and.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

There he is right here.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yep, yep. They just shot Charlie. They just shot Charlie. He just shot Charlie. He just shot Charlie. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, he's the one that. If you see him, he's the one that's running the cameras.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Okay.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, he. He's the audio visual team guy that's running the cameras. He's also the one that they said that he Was hiding footage or whatever that he turned over all that footage to the FBI. So he did.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So this is also the guy that. Or was that a security guy? If you look after the event, somebody goes to the camera that was behind Charlie, pulls the camera down.

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Same guy.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Looks like he pulls the SD card out.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Same guy.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And that footage is in the hands of the FBI.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Correct.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wasn't deleted. Wasn't erased.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

He actually works for the company called vi, and they do their contract AV video people. And he's not a security guy. He works for the. The security and the. Vi, the video company.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Okay.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah. And so I don't. I don't understand. And it's not for me to try to understand that part, like the getting on the phone or that. I don't understand that. And you see that a lot nowadays. Tragic things happen. Shootouts and people pull their phones out instead of running. And so I don't understand that. That's for him to explain, not me. I know he doesn't work for us, but I also know from seeing some of the stuff that he's the same guy that took down the cameras. And people are like, what's going on here? You know? And I'm like, well, that's a legitimate ask. That's a legitimate.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I think that too. I don't think that's.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's a legitimate. I say, and where did that go? And he was interviewed and asked and answered. And FBI. And that was all turned over because I asked that question.

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These are the.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

These are the questions that are running rampant on the Internet, by the way. So here's. I'm just going to do quick fire here.

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Did you see any signs of internal.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Leaks or betrayals within TP USA or the security team that could have facilitated the attack?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No, No, I don't. And here's my deal. That's our job, right? And so if they have some stuff going on inside corporate headquarters that would be unknown to us anyway, and then we're the contractor, security contractor, which is our team. And then. So that direction comes from Dan and then it comes to us. And nothing, nothing that would make me believe that, hey, something's afoot here. So sometimes I wish. No, not wish. It's like, hey, if that was happen, that would be an easier attribution. But I would say this. Hey, if you're going to make that claim, you better be able to back it up with the truth. Because we're talking about allegations that you're making that people are conspiracy or part of a murder. We're not talking about cheating in a video game or hand of cards. And so if. If somebody were to say, one of my guys or an employee, hey, you were part of this murder and you helped conspire, then I would say, I need you to tell me why you said that right now. A definitive why. Not now. Not. It's a possibility.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And if you do, let me hear it. But it better be the truth. And if it's not, there's consequence. Yeah. And so.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That'S why there's punishments for that, stuff like that. Well, do I have faith in the system? I've seen a lot of guilty people walk free because they had money. Right. And so I know the system is broken, but you've been around the world, man. Every time I come home from someplace bad, I'm like, dang, we got it good. Yeah. And so, no, I didn't see anything to make it lead. That that came from the inside. Oh, God.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Why do you believe that the security footage has not been released publicly? Well, I mean, obviously FBI is in control of the.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And I'm. I'm. I'm with them on that.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You are?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm with them on that, man. That video footage or. Or a really good video footage is. Is the truth, or as close as we have. And so they came back with that gag order to the council, and. And so they can information share because the judge said there's a volume of evidence. Right. A volume, I think, is what he said. And I'm like, okay. Cause we want to protect his right to a fair trial, and we don't want to taint a potential jury. Okay, I get that. But if. If. Is there not a balance of that? It's like, I'm not asking you to produce the footage, but maybe give us something that we investigated this claim and then we found this. And make them put their name on that. I'm with them on that. Give us some information. It's like you go to public information officer school to be a cop. And they tell you, hey, don't go out there and go, this happened. We'll let you know when we figure it out. Because then you're just like, well, are you capable? Do you know what you're doing? Are you hiding something from us? So what do you do? You go out there, even if you can't release the details of it, you go, hey, this happened. We heard this. And this is attribution that makes us lead to believe that it was a directed crime and not a random crime. So what you're doing is you're. You're letting people. Okay, this is starting to make sense. Give us something. Yeah, give us something.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, this just comes from institutions hiding things.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And has it happened?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

I mean, you know, maybe had they, I don't know, release the Epstein files, maybe there would be a little bit of trust in the institution.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Brother. Unfortunately, I could go on for. Yeah, a long time about that. Needs to be released. Yeah. Charlie wanted it released. That's not my opinion.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Watch the videos.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Release them. Yeah.

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That wasn't my point.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Wasn't. You know, I mean, I want them to release them too. My point wasn't getting into it. I'm just saying, like, this is. This is the shit that causes distrust in the institutions. All is worse. And it gets worse. And it gets worse. And if you want to rebuild the fucking trust in the institutions, then you open up transparency and you stop fucking hiding shit from the American people 100%. That's how the fuck you do it. This isn't rocket science. This isn't fucking brain surgery. This is just.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And here's my response.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Transparency. That's it.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

You got. I've got a team here that are done. And if you had opened that up, and if you had opened that up at least a little bit, six, eight, nine weeks ago, these guys wouldn't have been suffered. We've been doxed. Our credit cards have been stolen, our children's and parents names have been released online. Wedding plans, home addresses, phone numbers. Throw us a bone. Don't let us sit out here and suffer for you when all you gotta do is produce something to quench the thirst of these people. And you're right. You're creating distrust. Yeah. And you're hiding behind. Well, we have to make sure and ensure that we don't taint a jury for this guy. You know, And I have questions about that too. And so I have questions about that. And we talked about that earlier.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Where's.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Where's his call logs, his phone, his phone hits? Who'd he talked to two days, four days, eight days beforehand?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Why do you think that they tore up and paved over the crime scene so quickly?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

I have asked that at least 10 times. And I said I don't understand the exigency of why they did that. And here's my question to that. March your ass up to the school. Have you march your ass up to the school? Or will you march your ass up to that school tomorrow and file a FOIA and say, hey, you're a public institution. I want the request and the plans that were made to tear that up and when those requests and plans happen, because that didn't. You're not going to request that or you shouldn't request that overnight and have that done. That had to probably go through a budget request, had to be approved. There should be a timeline and paperwork for that. You should be able to get that through foia. And so do it. Make them, make them tell us why that they tore that up before it was even cold. I want to know. Because it came back on us that we had some trap door and they're covering up the trap door and we had a guy hiding in there.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Okay, that's actually my next question. I didn't hear about the. There was somebody hiding in the trap.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Gun was hiding or something.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

There was a trap door or something. Was there a trap door in a tunnel system? No, there was not.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No. So school, why'd you tear it up? Why did you tear it up? What was the exigency to tear up something that still people would. Did you not think that through? Like, hey, this might, we might want to put a hold on that. This might induce questions to us. And. And it didn't. Nobody went back and asked questions to the school or said, hey, well, we just do a FOIA and do some back digging on that. That's not protected under this evidentiary gag order. Now let's just blame the security team because that's the easy way. Go do the foia.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You know, I mean, back to the, the exit wound thing, you know, I mean, because we're talking about the tearing up of the crime scene and everybody's wanting them to find the bullet. I mean, if the bullet hit any bone at all, there is no bullet. It's just fragmentation.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Great point. And, and that was discussed already.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And if there yet was no exit wound in the altar, in the autop. In the autopsy though, there should be. I mean, if there was no exit wound, then there should be four. Fragmentation of the. The bullet would have fragmented into, into, into who knows how many pieces.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

The doctor. And again, this is not a non disclosure violation. But the doctor told us, came out there and told us and then they also told chief of staff. So the bullet came in and hit the vertebra and it. So it came in and then tore up everything in the wound cavity, hit the vertebra, crushed it, shattered it, turned, crushed the second one turned, kept going down all the way. I think they said C6. Holy. Yeah, it's like, why not put that info out? Why not put it out? And then why wouldn't they put that out then do me a favor. Don't make me do it. It's not my job. And so then it got to here, and you're exactly right. And then hit, I think, six and then fragged. And so explanation 101. What are you hiding? Yeah, it's like I'm sitting back here when people are saying, we bombed him or there's wound. I'm like, hey, somebody would, from an official capacity, would just release that. And I don't see how that could jeopardize a fair trial for a guy and. Or somebody called the doctor. Somebody just call him.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

This guy, George Zen. Are you familiar with this guy?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Is he the one that said is.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

The performance immediately after the shooting? I believe he was saying that he had the shooter. He's also a witness to 911 called to the bomb threat in Salt Lake City Marathon. I mean, he seems to show up at a lot of. Yeah, Historic.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Historic incidents.

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[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And then gets arrested and then later gets arrested for child porn after that. And so that was a weird deal because that came to us at the hospital. Had to have somebody in custody. And I'm like, awesome. And then. And then our guys helped hold that perimeter area while they were arresting him. And I want to say they held on to some gear or something. I'd have to double check with them. But they were there assisting the police for that because they. They're still in there in the CR holding the crime scene. Yeah. And so how did this guy get there? And they did the search warrant on his house, and they released it. It's like, hey, dump his phone and release that too. Dump the tower information and release that too. I want to see who he was talking to two, three, four, five days beforehand. I want to see what towers hit. Yeah, I want to see that. Yeah. I want to know, who is this guy? Why is he around all these things? All these things.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

What questions do you have? You know, you had some good questions about Robinson.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Yeah, I want to know. I want to know who this kid is. I don't want to know that he did something that feeds a narrative of hate and division, that he was his boyfriend, was trans or whatever, and that they had text back and forth. I want to know. It's like, all right, where did he work? And then who were his co workers? And did they interview his co workers? And then I want to see his phone logs and the towers that had hit. I want to interview his friends and did he have any help? They said, oh, well, we have DNA on the rifle, and I want all that information. That's a good tie right now. From a judicial standpoint, I can understand why they're saying, we don't want to put all this information out because the judge said it, Maintain a potential jury because they're going to seek the death penalty. And I'm like, from a. From a book standpoint, I understand that, but you got a lot of people out there wondering, hey, did this guy do it by himself? And then you throw my wonder on there. It's like, wow. So he just. The rooftop was clear, and then he jumped up on it, acquired a shooting position, took the shot. That shooting position was a loophole. If it had been 5 meters this way or this way, wouldn't have happened. And then can we go through his phone or his computer and find a Google Earth overhead that he was looking at it days, weeks, months before? Did he access that before? Because obviously, it's a problem, because that's how we came upon the information that it's easily accessed and how we gave it to the chief to say, hey, chief, you got this, right? I got you covered. So that's information we need to know. I want to know about this kid. I want to know if somebody helped him. Is he a patsy? Is he. Did he. Was there a group of people?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

What's a patsy?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Is he taking the blame for other people? Or is he. Is. Is. Is he part. Is he a lone wolf? Is. You know, but then we all thought Timothy McVeigh was a lone wolf, too, right? And then we come to find out, nah, people knew about it. He had assistance. Even if it was assistance of. We knew you were going to do something, and then we didn't say something. So, yeah, I have questions to him. I have questions. And this is horrible, because I'm a father. I have questions to his father.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Aren't they saying that he took the rifle apart with a flathead screwdriver?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

That's a big one. I want to know. And it's like, I know there's footage out there, and I don't know what to believe. And how it got down. It's like, all right, how did the. How did. I want to know that. How did the rifle get from the roof to where they found it? That's a big one. How did the rifle get from the shooting position all the way back across to where they found it?

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

And then it was reassembled when they found it?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Correct. I don't think that it ever was disassembled because even an AR platform. Think about it. I mean, pin, pin, break, pull. It's going to take a bit. That's a bolt gun.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's, that's what I'm getting at.

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[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Is it's not going to happen. It probably should have been a lower. A little bit more descriptive on about that.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

So I want to know about shooters. Yeah. You know, and there's, there's, there's other things. Yeah, yeah. I, I look at that and, and, and I look at a lot of things that are going on at, at Turning Point, you know, and, and because I saw, man, I've seen people say that Erica was involved in it, his wife. I've done a lot of death notifications where I had to tell kids that their parents were dead or their parents that their kids were dead. And I know what pain looks and sounds like. I wake up screaming sometimes thinking a kid's face, the words that came out of her mouth, and how they came out when she walked in that room and saw him. You don't want to hear that she's a victim. That's her husband. And now people without any proof are saying that she was a part of killing him. Come on, man. And then not having anything to substantiate it with, that's what makes me lose faith in people. And that we allow it and that platforms allow it. It's like it goes against everything that we are. And if we're going to allow that, what else are we going to allow? You hear that kind of pain come from somebody and see it. And I could only imagine the pain she's feeling now by happening to hear that people say that she was a part of it. Those are lies. And so that. So, and so we have that organization. It's. It's got this huge power vacuum going on now. And I'm sure it's, it's, it's affecting. It. It's affected me. And so that's. That. That's an organization with a lot of great people in it, doing good things, you know, and so where do we draw the line to people making allegations of bad behavior? It's a huge question. I mean, could you imagine. Think of this for a second. You've lost friends, and could you imagine somebody reporting that one of your friends, his wife, was responsible for their death? What would you want to do to them? Yeah. And it's like, man, this is. We're better than this. We should be better than this, and we're not. And people are bitching about the leaders we have. And I was like, hey, we get the leaders we deserve.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

That's a good point.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

And we don't deserve very much right now. On each side, on each side, both sides, we get the leaders we deserve. If we want to hold them accountable, we should hold ourselves accountable also.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Yeah. Are there any other questions you have?

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

No, I just, I mean, I appreciate you. You let me come on or. When I, when I got that phone call, I was like, wow. I mean, I've seen the people that have come here. And Don Graves, he sat here, right? That's Eddie Penny, Ben Carson. Man, I don't deserve this.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

So it's a lot of humility in this room, man.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Should be thankful for that.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

You deserve to be here just like everybody else.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Thanks.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

God bless you, brother.

[Brian Harpole (Security Detail Head)]

Thank you.

[Sean (Interviewer/Host)]

Thank you.

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