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Ryan Montgomery
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Sean Ryan
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Ryan Montgomery
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Sean Ryan
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Ryan Montgomery
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Sean Ryan
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Ryan Montgomery
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Sean Ryan
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Ryan Montgomery
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Sean Ryan
Ryan Montgomery.
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Ryan Montgomery
Sean.
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Sean Ryan
Ryan, welcome back to the show, man.
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Ryan Montgomery
Thank you, man. I'm. I can't believe I am back in a good way.
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Sean Ryan
What's it been like two years?
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Ryan Montgomery
Three years?
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Sean Ryan
Has it been three years?
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Ryan Montgomery
Three years? Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
Lots that's happened.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. I'm pretty thinking. Is it two years? I think it's three. It's three.
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Sean Ryan
Is it really?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
Lots has happened since you came on here, man.
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Ryan Montgomery
A lot for both of us, it seems. Oh yeah, yeah. Look at the studio, man. It's unbelievable.
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Sean Ryan
I've been dying to show you.
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Ryan Montgomery
I couldn't wait to see it. And, and I mean, for the people that can't see the whole thing in real life, it's a video is not going to capture how awesome this is. It doesn't matter what kind of camera you use or how you.360 angle. It doesn't matter what you use. It's. I've seen the last studio which was awesome within itself and then this one, it's like two or three times as big. Just the studio area alone. I can't talk about the rest of the property, but the rest of the property is sick. Like beyond belief sick. And super happy for you. And not in a demeaning way, but proud of you and I'm very grateful to be back.
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Sean Ryan
Well, thank you, man. You're a huge part of this, you know that. You know, been. And dude, I'm proud of you too, man.
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Ryan Montgomery
Thanks.
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Sean Ryan
Like, you know, just. Just a recap for. For anybody that's listening who doesn't know who you are. You know, I just kind of want to go over how we connected, you know, the very first time and where you were at in life, and know kind of where I was at. But. But yeah. So backstory is I pull up Instagram one day, I see this very small, very small MMA podcast.
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Ryan Montgomery
500 followers.
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Sean Ryan
500 followers. I don't know how this reel popped up on my algorithm. I don't even look at reels very often. And there you are. And if I remember correctly, may. I may mess this up a little bit, but the. The clip that I saw, and I want to roll the clip right now.
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Ryan Montgomery
There's a father that posted a photo of their child in the bathtub where you couldn't see everything, but you could see enough. And it said on the top of it, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And then underneath, there was comments with other people saying what they were going to do to this person's child. Oh, my sick. And at this point, remember, I'm. I have access to their server and they don't know it. So after I spoke to my attorney who told me, hey, you did break federal law. You know, if you report this, you're risking going to prison. But I was just thinking to myself, if I bring this to trial, what jury's gonna convict me? I mean, I just don't think, guilty or not, I'm willing to take my chances. So I reached out to my attorney, reached out to another attorney in Virginia, since he was a guy trying to run for Congress. Spoke to over 10 news stations. I have some of the calls recorded with them. Everybody was interested in this story. They thought it was amazing. As soon as it got to legal, not one of them posted this story. Even when I said, remove my name from it, remove any of the info I obtained illegally from it, just alert people that this website exists on the Internet. Nobody posted it. So I got an FBI report tip line number, I think it was a website. Ic3.gov it's an Internet Complaint center report number. So I got that. The kicker, which is what got me started in this after all of that is six months later, I'm watching the news or I'm reading the news online. I see Nathaniel Larson arrested at an airport at a layover with a 12 year old girl that he kidnapped. And they were fully aware of what he was doing. They're fully aware of the 3,000 other people that I caught on the website with their IP addresses, their emails, their chat history, everything about them. A case, you know, on a golden platter for, for any, any, any district attorney letting this lie. And nothing happened. They didn't even bring up his websites in the news articles.
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Sean Ryan
The clip that I saw was basically.
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Ryan Montgomery
You.
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Sean Ryan
Talking about this guy that owned this pedophile website standing over the bathtub, taking a selfie video with a 12 year old girl in that bathtub. Right?
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Ryan Montgomery
It's close. So what happened was just the long story, short version is it was like you said, a very small MMA podcast that I went on and they asked me a question, they said, how did you get involved? It was actually about the organization I was with at the time, but I just came as the technical support, basically. And they said, how did you get involved? I was always standing behind the camera, didn't have my name associated to anything. And I, I had this information about this horrible website that was being ran by a politician in Virginia. And there were, you know, the, like. I explained that I got a text message from my friend's wife that had a couple screenshots, one of which was a father that had his child in the bathtub. And in the title of the post, like you could see the child's back, so you could tell that they were nude. And the title of the post on this website was, they have no idea what's going to happen to them tonight. And, and underneath of it, people were talking about what they were going to do, that person's child. So that was what the clip was. If they play the clip, they'll see what I was saying. The problem was I infiltrated this network, I dumped their database, I had all their information. I had a case on a golden platter, literally. I think that's what I said in the clip. And nobody was taking me seriously. And it took years of me trying. I went to all media sources, 11 plus media sources. I went to law enforcement, went to two different attorneys, went to a task force locally, I tried everything. And then I end up just talking about that in that short clip, maybe a minute long. And the next day I wake up and there's 10 million views on this clip. And I'm like, what the heck? I have all these journalist groups reaching out to me, all these media wanting to ask questions, all these different, sorry, all of these various podcasters reaching out to me. And I see in my comments, check your DMs, check your DMs from a guy named Shawn Ryan. And I'm like, and I check my DMs and I see Sean's in there. And I'm like, wow, this guy's got a big channel and he wants to, you know, he wants to talk about this. So we started a conversation and, you know, I wanted to get the story out there no matter what way it went out. I didn't care if it went out from a left wing, right wing, in between wing, it didn't matter. I just wanted to story out there. And, you know, I didn't know anything about politics, still really don't. But I was. I just was very, very blown away by a small account blowing up the way that it blew up. So I reach out. I'm sorry, I start speaking with you, we arrange a podcast, which, if you remember, Project Veritas was involved. Oh, I remember. So this is. I want to get into what happened with that. So you. So actually, this is the way I really want to put it is nobody had the balls to talk about this story because. And I proved that with the media. I showed them what needed to be out there. It was black and white how bad this website was, and I had evidence that you could not refute of all of the people involved. And they just ignored me. And you saw that one minute clip and said, you know what? I'm going to risk my whole channel. I'm going to risk everything just because I want to get this. This kid that I don't even know, meaning me. I want to get this kid's message out there. And you have no idea how much I appreciate that and how many kids that's actually helped. Not just from me, from you, man. Like without. Without you, without, obviously, all the things that led up to you. None of that would have happened, you know, And I am beyond grateful for that. And it's opened up so many doors, which I'll obviously get into in this episode, but beyond blessed, super grateful for it. And, you know, one thing that's frustrating is. And there's a. I have a good and bad thing to say about Project Veritas and why I wanted to tie them into this story is Project Veritas is the first journalist group to reach out to me that I was willing to, because they said, we'll come, you know, we'll fly overnight, we'll be there the next day. So they were in New York, I was in Florida, and they said, we'll come out and check out the database and we will investigate it. So, of course I was like, yeah, come out. Let's do it. Anybody who wants to run this story, let's go. This is right about the time James o' Keefe left Or was fired. Whatever happened there, that doesn't matter to me, to be honest with you. They fly out to Florida, I hand them the data, and all of their journalists, all their reporters, the ones that I worked with directly, were passionate and wanted to work on this project. And. And they spent days slash, weeks slash months of their life on this project. So I can't say a single negative thing about the team that I worked with there. They were all great, and they cared a ton about this case. What happened is James's replacement, her name is Hannah Giles, she came in as the interim CEO while they were trying to figure out what was going on. And at that point, if you remember, there were 7,000 people in that database from the original database and Project Veritas, the goal was to go out to confront these people face to face with hidden cameras and ask them about their participation on the website. So that meaning not just you were on the site, but here's the forum post that you made, here's the private messages that you had with other users. Expose these people. So they exposed a couple of them. They put it out publicly, and we identified 500 of the 7,000. Without a shadow of a doubt. 500 of the 7,000 were identified at the time when Hannah Giles became the interim ce. They wanted her. I'm assuming Hannah wanted the. The New York Post or New York Times to release a story on it. And that was their main focus, which at that time, I remember we were talking about it. When you're talking about circulation, it's like social media has a way bigger circulation than them. Then Hannah says to me, I'm on the phone with her, and she tells me that my story is not a tidal wave. That's the words verbatim that this woman used. And. And she shut it down so.
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Sean Ryan
Well, boy, she fucked that one up, didn't she?
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Ryan Montgomery
She really did. And, you know, not only because of how big this story got and how many kids, how many. How. How much impact that database made on, you know, some of the. Some of the predator networks following it as well. But, you know, the sad part of this is I, with Project Veritas, 500 of the 7,000 identified, 13 of which of the 500 were convicted of sex crimes with children after I originally reported the information to, you know, national center for Mission Exploit Children. The tip lines, the task force, all the media. So, you know, just ironically, the Average offender has 13 victims in a lifetime, but 13 different cases occurred after I reported it. And then she shuts it down. So that's 500 of the 7,000, who knows how many didn't get caught? And who knows how many more, you know, how many. How many victims? Just, you know, it could have been prevented if someone was just taking me seriously. And you did, man. You did. Project Veritas, as much as they, you know, may get some hate or whatever, I. I don't have any opinion on anything else they've ever done other than what they've done with me. And their journalists were good to me. Their interim CEO, I don't like the way that she treated this situation. And I have no problem saying that. And yeah, man, I just wanted to. So I guess a long way of saying thank you so much, and I appreciate the balls that you have, because nobody else did.
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Sean Ryan
Well, it's my honor, man. But, you know, I forgot about the Veritas stuff because we had to coordinate release of the episode with them. Yeah, I forgot about that. And there was some other publication that they're like, we gotta wait and see if this goes. And I remember. I remember having a conversation with you, and I was like, dude, what we have here is 10 times any of the publications that they're talking about, and this is going to fucking send. And. And it did. It wound up being the most viewed, most downloaded, biggest episode I've ever done still to the state. And. And, you know, I remember reaching out to you. I remember the FBI stuff. The FBI wouldn't take you seriously. I was so upset, you know, and also, this is like, you were the first person that I dove into this subject with. Cause I had heard so much about it. But I don't trust nonprofits, me. And you talk a lot about that offline. I just don't trust them anymore. I've seen too many that started off with good intentions that go away, and it becomes all about fucking raising money and not about whatever the actual mission was. And you didn't have any of that, you know, And I could tell, like on that post, I was like, this guy's just trying to get information out. And so. So, yeah, reached out, tried to coordinate everything with Veritas. They wanted to do the story. And I remember telling you something along the lines, like, fuck these people, dude. Let's just run it.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Well, you actually had people that you had in line to put their episodes out before mine, and you rushed my episode for them. Yeah. Like, you did them a huge favor. Yeah. And then they just screwed. They screwed it up. They could have done a lot more good. Like I said, their. If it was up to them, it would have happened.
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Sean Ryan
I don't think it could have gone any better than it did, to be honest with you. What? Everything that happened, I think happened because what we did, you know, like, you enlightened me, for starters, because I've gone on to do several episodes after you about it. I interviewed Jim Caviezel. We went to the premiere of Sound of Freedom together, interviewed Tim Tebow, interviewed Jaren Hudson, interviewed Victor Marx. Like, you were the start of all of that. And I still continue to talk about it, you know, to this day. But, you know, I think what we did, man, is we just created, like, the perfect storm. And. Yeah, and also, like, yeah, that was a huge. I mean, I don't think you wanted to be public. You were extremely fucking nervous to come on the show, 100%. And I remember trying. I remember going through my head like, how do I calm this guy down? And. But how. Whatever. It worked.
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Ryan Montgomery
And.
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Sean Ryan
And, yeah, it was a big. It was jeopardizing my entire business because this is. This is the forbidden fruit that you cannot talk about on certain platforms. I remember thinking, you know what? Fuck it. We're not monetizing this. I want to fly under the radar. I don't give a shit if. If they shut everything down. It ended on a. It ended trying to pump some good into the world, and I'm, like, 100% fine with that.
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Ryan Montgomery
And that takes balls. Like, for the third time, it takes balls. And I appreciate that. And to be honest with you, and I know I gave you a warning beforehand, but this one is just as deep and dear to my heart, and I have some stuff that I really, really need parents to know. And it's going to be rough. And I think that, you know, you guys, whoever's watching this, you're going to hear a lot of beeping. Yeah. It's important that you listen to what I. What I have to tell you today.
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Sean Ryan
But, you know, I wanted to say, man, like, you know, we've talked about it a lot offline, and especially at the very beginning, after the episode when you were trying to figure out where you want to go and. Because I think this was a segue into you having a much bigger role and the fight against exploitation and trafficking. But what we did, man, is, you know, I jeopardized everything you did, too. And what wound up happening was we educated millions and millions of parents. We educated millions and millions and millions of kids on how this happens. Prove to them how fast it happens. You know, I. I'll. Dude, I will never forget when you made the screen name Ashley 13. Because I, I, how this isn't like there's no way this shit happens this much. So I wanted to time you to see how. I figured we'd be there all fucking day. Yeah, unfortunately, no, it was like five seconds. And, and that just proved, like I said, millions and millions and millions of parents and kids. Like, this is how, this is how common this is. This is how fast it can happen. And then on the other hand, we scared a metric shit tonight of predators. Of predators. Oh, yeah. And, and so it really was the perfect storm. But, you know, but you know, some other context. I mean, now I'm like going back and forth now I'm like remembering all the things that happened, like right after the episode. And I mean, we blasted the FBI on that episode. Yeah, we definitely, we didn't actually, we didn't blast them. We just expressed what happened when you got the information to the FBI and how they totally dismissed it and how interested they were after the episode came out. Remember that? Remember how much they wanted to help? I know you guys are like maybe talking right now. Maybe. I don't know.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I mean, everything I do now is in parallel with law enforcement. So. Cool. Yeah. I'll give in more of what that means.
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Sean Ryan
But yeah, I remember being extremely fearful. I was like, these people aren't trying to help you. They didn't help you the first time. There's 7,000 names on that list. And that was developed. A website was developed by a politician. They're trying to. Every motherfucker on there is calling in favors, trying to get their name redacted from.
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Ryan Montgomery
I remember. Do you remember? I was so scared of. Because, you know, I took the. As you said it was a risk for me. I was scared my door was gonna get kicked in. I don't have anything to do to worry about, but I don't want to lose all my electronics or end up getting charged with something that I go to trial for and all this stuff. And I'm calling you, I'm calling you at like 11, 12 o' clock at night. You got Tim Parlator helping me out. You got all these people, you know, telling me like, yo, do this, do that, do that. Like, make sure you don't do this, don't do that. Like, I'm. I got you. You helped me an absolute ton back, you know, because I was panicking, man. I was panicking because I wanted the information out there, but I didn't know what to expect because technically what I did at that was not legal. My intentions were obviously good. I would say it's more gray than black hat, but it was. You know, I obtained that information illegally, so I was scared. I was genuinely scared. And it was very new territory to me. I know now a lot more than I did. And as I said in the beginning, if I had to go to trial for this and I had to stand in front of 12 jurors or jury, like, I have a hard time believing that people would say that I'm a criminal for taking down a predator organization, but I genuinely was scared at that time.
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Sean Ryan
Well, it wound up being a wildly successful piece of content. I mean, with all the clips and the reels and the episode and the downloads. I mean, it's literally hundreds of millions of views. And then your life just exploded into ways that I think you never imagined it would go into.
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Ryan Montgomery
But, oh, my gosh, I mean, I.
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Sean Ryan
Remember seeing you on all the big podcasts, and I was just.
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Ryan Montgomery
Dude.
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Sean Ryan
Through all this and all the fame that you've amassed since we met, dude, I just want to say, man, I am so proud of you. Like, you have handled the fame and the notoriety like nobody I've ever seen, man. Like, you have stayed true to yourself. You are not. You did not turn into a pompous asshole. You are the same man that I met when nobody knew who the hell you were three years ago when we did that interview.
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Ryan Montgomery
And means the world to me, man. It really does.
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Sean Ryan
I just want to, like, say, like, you know, to. I want the world to know, you know, your character, like, that didn't turn into a massive amount of money for you. I don't think you're not here to make money. Like, when people ask me about you or I'm talking about you, and I talk about you a lot. You know, I. One of the things I always say is, like, that guy does not give a fuck about anything but saving kids. He doesn't give a shit if you approach him with. With business ideas. Like, if that's. If that's your focus, he's not going to want to do it. Like, all that dude wants to do is save fucking kids. He doesn't give a shit about the fame. He doesn't give a shit about his following. He doesn't care about anything but saving those kids. And, you know, and. And there's just not very many people like you, man.
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Ryan Montgomery
Thank you. Likewise. Likewise. There's not many people I consider friends, especially in this space, you know, making YouTube videos and content and podcasts. I mean, you. You're the only One that I would consider a friend. Like a real one. A real friend. And people don't know us off, off camera, but, you know, it's, there's not many people that I can ride around with on an ATV and, and have the conversations we had yesterday. Like, you know, it's, that's, that's, that's what I look forward to in life. You know, I only get a couple good friends and, and I, and I'm grateful and glad that you're one of them.
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Sean Ryan
Likewise, man. I love you, dude.
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Ryan Montgomery
Love you too, man.
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Sean Ryan
You're a great human. But. Well, let me give you an introduction here real quick and we'll get into the interview. Ryan Montgomery, a powerhouse in cybersecurity in the fight against child exploitation. A top ethical hacker and penetration tester with over 19 years of experience. Ranked number one on Try Hack Me's Capture the Flag leaderboard. The founder of Pentester, a Boca Raton based platform offering online privacy solutions for people and businesses. As CTO of the Sentinel foundation, you use cutting edge technology and law enforcement collaborations to combat global child exploitation and human trafficking. Known for infiltrating dark websites to expose predators. You've demonstrated live hacks right here on my show, which we just talked about. You specialize in ethical hacking, data protection and online safety, advocating for stronger cyber security and protecting vulnerable populations. And one of my favorite people in the world, Ryan Montgomery. So I know we are here to, we are here to talk about some of the child childhood stuff that we missed the last time, a lot of the stuff that you've been doing now. And you know, but I think that the, the, the premise of this interview, which will come towards the middle in the end, is the, the domestic terrorist group, the seven, six, four group. Correct?
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Ryan Montgomery
That's correct.
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Sean Ryan
And all of the horrific stuff that they're doing. So like I said, you know, this is, this is going to be very similar to the interview that we did before, you know, and this is, this is to educate, Our purpose here is to educate parents and kids and to scare the shit out of pedophiles and to expose how, how these things are happening and, and just, just educated because, you know, we've talked about this offline too. And I think that the collaboration that me and you did online has saved more kids than any other.
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Ryan Montgomery
Dude.
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Sean Ryan
It's hundreds of millions of people that watch that. Like so many parents and so many kids. Like, it made it real. I mean, you demonstrated it right here live.
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Ryan Montgomery
And I can unfortunately do it again on any platform. You know, Literally any platform.
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Sean Ryan
And so, you know, that's like, it's. It's my proudest interview, man, because. Not because of the numbers and not because of, like, the explosiveness of the interview. It's because there are, who knows, countless kids out there whose parents watch that, who. They watch that they will never have to fucking face the trauma that they would have faced if. If. If their parents and themselves didn't implement the things to protect them. And, you know, I know it didn't get to everybody, but, man, like, we saved a lot of fucking kids there, man.
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Ryan Montgomery
I love to hear that and I love to believe that as well. And to be honest, walk like, I've been all over the world, all over the country in the last three years, and running into strangers on the street, at the airport, at the mall, all these places, people stopping, which, you know, is very new to me, but some of them are parents, and they tell me, like, hey, I stopped posting my kid on the Internet for this reason or that reason, or, you know, I was a victim of this, or I have a situation. You know, I hear this from not only from people sending me direct messages, emails, literally letters in the mail. There's so many ways of people contacting me now, but, like, something about somebody coming up to me in real life and telling me the impact that it's made. It's like, what are the odds of just a stranger that's just. That runs into me, that made an impact. If it happened with that person, it must have happened with a lot more than I'm aware of, you know, and that makes me very proud, makes me happy, and it makes me motivated to keep doing this, because as you said, I'm not looking for a pat on the back. I'm not looking for money. If you blurred my face and you changed my voice for this episode, it wouldn't change anything. It's really about getting the word out there and making some. Some sort of change because nobody else seems to be doing it. Nobody else seems to. I don't know. I mean, there's people that have passion. I don't want to discount them because there are good people in this space. But coming onto a show and talking about this stuff in some of the detail that I want to. I don't really see other people doing, and I don't see somebody else having the, you know, the nerve to do it with them. So it's. I just think it's a very unique opportunity that we showed work to the first time. And it. It's for the million Times a blessing.
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Sean Ryan
Well, let's hope it works again. But you know, Ryan, one of the other things that I loved about you is we both kind of started our journey to Christianity together around the same time. I wouldn't say together, but timelines really match up same time. And I know you've grown a lot in your spiritual journey and so have I, and so I think we should kick this off with a prayer. What do you think?
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Ryan Montgomery
Sure.
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Sean Ryan
You ready?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
All right. Jesus, I just want to say thank you for my friendship with Ryan and for bringing us together those years ago. And I'm just so proud of him and thankful for our relationship. And, Jesus, I just ask you to be in this room with us today and to guide us, Ryan and myself, the way that you want us to expose this 7, 6, 4, satanic cult, what they're doing to kids. And we just ask that you distribute the information that we're going to reveal today to all the kids and all the parents, especially the vulnerable ones, who may have an unfortunate future that they're facing. And we just hope to. To derail them from that traumatic future into more beautiful things. And we just hope that the people that watch this, if they were. If their future was heading towards that, we just want it to head towards the light and for them to take this information seriously and put in the repercussions that they need so that they don't become a victim in Jesus name. Amen.
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Ryan Montgomery
Amen.
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Sean Ryan
So, cheers.
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Ryan Montgomery
Cheers.
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Sean Ryan
All right, but let's. Let's start with some fun stuff. So, you know, one of the fun things we did last time is you had all these gadgets and you blew my fucking mind. So I see all new stuff over here. What do we got?
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Ryan Montgomery
So we got a lot of new things. I don't know if it's going to be exactly the way that we did the first time, because I did show you, you know, a lot, blanketed a lot of topics, and. And I pissed off a lot of people in cybersecurity in that process.
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Sean Ryan
Oh, yeah?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Because, you know, trying to explain some of these attacks and cybersecurity methods to. To people that aren't cybersecurity professionals is tough. I mean, try to explain a captive portal to your grandmom. It's a. It's just you have to. You have to, like. And I'm not saying you're an old. Are you calling me a fucking.
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Sean Ryan
Are you calling me a geriatric?
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Ryan Montgomery
No.
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Sean Ryan
All right. I'm pretty close.
- [30:14]
Ryan Montgomery
What I'm saying is most people are not tech literate. Most like it doesn't matter if they're older or younger. So people got really aggravated with the way that I explained it. They got really aggravated with the number one ethical hacker thing. I never said that I was the number one hacker in the world. There's no way to rank that, you know, and honestly, I would love if you titled this video number one ethical hacker, but just to piss them off.
- [30:36]
Sean Ryan
Hey, we can do that. I'm glad you finally reached that point.
- [30:39]
Ryan Montgomery
I really, I am done. I'm done caring. I've tried posting on all my platforms. I've talked on other podcasts about it. I've made it very clear. I know I'm not the best hacker. I never said I was. But at this point I just like aggravating them.
- [30:52]
Sean Ryan
So if I've learned anything from doing podcasts, there's one thing, you cannot make the Internet happy, no matter what the fuck you do.
- [30:59]
Ryan Montgomery
Not a chance. I don't know.
- [31:01]
Sean Ryan
It's more fun to piss them off anyways.
- [31:03]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I'm learning that and learning that and I call them the neck beards and the act chilies and nice. You know, so I'm sure they'll have some stuff to say about some of this stuff, but that's fine. So there's a couple things here. One of which we. We're going to need, you know, the thing, you know, to screw it into. I don't want to ruin what it is yet. Is this.
- [31:24]
Sean Ryan
Are you carrying all this stuff all the time now, like the last?
- [31:28]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it's always in my.
- [31:29]
Sean Ryan
Right on. So this is the latest and greatest edc.
- [31:32]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [31:32]
Sean Ryan
Are you still carrying the flipper?
- [31:34]
Ryan Montgomery
The flipper that is in my pocket. So at all times, always have the flipper. And the reason honestly is, is that I'll show a cool attack, which it'll probably end up being some type of B roll or something in here because we have to do it in a non disclosed location or whatever. But I have some custom firmware on here now that they can, you know, break into a ton of different cars. And it's on a rolling code system meaning like every time you hit the button on your, on your key fob, the code changes and the car only accepts the new code. And, and this has custom firmware that gets in sync with that rolling code. Let's. So let's say you click the lock button. Now I have the lock unlock trunk, all of your, all of the buttons on your key fob just from one press. And. And that was one Thing they, they lost their minds over saying that, that, that attack's been around 20 years. It's not rolling code, it's not this, but it is, it is rolling code. It is, it is a new attack. So. And I'll demonstrate it on the show, you know, once we get outside or whatever point that is. But the flipper and then this was actually given to me. This is called a, it's a dual ESP by a company called Awok Dynamics, I believe. They're so Awok a guy I was at this hacker conference called defcon which is the biggest hacker meetup in the world, I believe. And a friend of mine, another YouTuber talking Sasquatch just comes up to me and hands this to me. And it was obvious because I know what these pins mean, that they fit in, they fit in the flipper. So you plug this into the top of the flipper. They're called GPIO pins. Oh. And it makes this thing look ridiculous.
- [33:16]
Sean Ryan
But flipper on steroids.
- [33:18]
Ryan Montgomery
Here we go. The flipper doesn't have WI FI capability by default. So this gives it two different WI FI chips that do Bluetooth. They do other things as well. But you'll see that the flipper, when I turn this thing on, I give it 5 volts, you'll see the power of it goes on. And then I have a touchscreen here now where I can do WI FI attacks. There's so there's sniffers, scanners, war driving attacks General so beacon spamming, Rick Rolls, evil portals, deauth meaning like disconnecting dev is from the network. Dr. Targeted meaning target a specific device. And the cool thing about this is it can run.
- [34:03]
Sean Ryan
What do you mean target a specific device?
- [34:05]
Ryan Montgomery
So let's say I, let's say you had a wireless camera outside and I see that, that address that's coming up as a device on the, on the screen here. I could target just that device.
- [34:16]
Sean Ryan
How do you know what the device is? I mean there's got to be. There's probably a hundred wireless devices at the studio at all times. How do you narrow it down and go that's, that fucking came right over there in the right corner.
- [34:27]
Ryan Montgomery
So it depends if it's broadcasting like BLE for example or a Mac address. There's a thing called like an OUI database that you could identify it from the, from the digits there, which I'm just trying to simplify things but like there, there's ways you could do that or you could just do a deauth flood which then just hits everything. It possibly Can. And then you can take a safe bet that if it's on, you know, the frequency that this is deaulting on, it's going to knock it offline. Gotcha. But what's cool about this is a lot of things, because I just, like, without going into the nitty gritty of it, the. The WI fi capabilities. It also has Bluetooth capabilities and Bluetooth attacks, and one of them is called Sour Apple. And I'll get more into that later. You could spoof an airtag with this thing, like, to make it people. You could do whatever.
- [35:13]
Sean Ryan
What do you mean, spoof an airtag? What does that even mean?
- [35:15]
Ryan Montgomery
So it'll make your phone believe that there's an airtag there. So, like, you know, you know how your phone will say you're being tracked by an airtag, but, like, these antennas versus an airtag's antennas are way more significant. I'll show you more once I get over to this other tool about, you know, Bluetooth attacks. But some really cool stuff there. But the reason why this is called a dual esp, which means there's two boards in it. You can use the flippers on the, like, custom. There's a custom app in here that, like, let's say I wanted to do one attack that's taking your cameras offline, and then I want to do another attack that's stealing your passwords. I can use two different networks completely doing two different attacks, because this has two boards in it, and the flipper knows to use one or the other.
- [36:01]
Sean Ryan
So how are you going to steal the passwords?
- [36:04]
Ryan Montgomery
I'll show you. I'll show you, because I have something else for that. It's. It's unbelievable. But this was a cool gift, and I wanted to show it off because it just. It looks cool, you know? And then this right here, I think you're really gonna like this. So a company, also Kickstarter related.
- [36:24]
Sean Ryan
I'm not gonna like it, Brian. I don't like any of this stuff.
- [36:27]
Ryan Montgomery
You might not like this. You might not. All right, so this is called the BLE Shark Nano. And the company, they. I think they're for sale now, but they sent them out to me because I asked. Like, it was because I really wanted one. It looked cool, and the guy was nice enough. I think his name was George. He sent it out to me, and I was like, you know, who knows, you know, like, what I'm gonna do with it? I just want to play around with it. I record a video at that conference, and it's got like, 20 million views. Like me just showing this thing off. And I was not expecting that at all. So I'll show you what I mean by stealing the passwords. I think that this should do it. Okay, so now check. Go to your phone. Just go to Settings, go to WI Fi. And you should see a free WI fi there. I just named it Free WI Fi. All right.
- [37:18]
Sean Ryan
My phone's over here. Oh, shit.
- [37:24]
Ryan Montgomery
There we go. Don't worry, it won't hurt anything.
- [37:32]
Sean Ryan
Yep, free WI Fi. Got it.
- [37:34]
Ryan Montgomery
So what happens when you click free WI Fi?
- [37:37]
Sean Ryan
I should. I should click it. All right, here we go. Sign into your Google account.
- [37:44]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay, so just put in, like, SeanMail.com and then just put in whatever password you want it. I got it. So should I walk over to you because it's small?
- [38:22]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
- [38:23]
Ryan Montgomery
All right, so we got Sean gmail.com password hack this?
- [38:31]
Sean Ryan
No.
- [38:32]
Ryan Montgomery
So what. What for. For the. For the people. I don't know if they could hear me. For the people that couldn't see this little device. Sean just got a network that said Free WI fi. It could have been airport WI Fi. That could have been hotel WI Fi. That could have been Starbucks. WI Fi could be whatever. Whatever. I wanted to name that network. And what happened was he got what's called a captive portal, which a lot of people would be familiar with. They might not recognize the term, but you connect to a free network in public and the screen pops up that says, I agree to the terms and conditions. Or if you're in a hotel room, it might say, you're in room 1308 and your last name is this. And then when you press submit, it tells the hotel, yeah, this is a guest. Give them access to our network. That's a captive portal. In this case, it created a fake Google captive portal that looked like the real Google login. I mean, I don't think there's any way you could have differentiated that from a real Google login, because what you're taught in phishing attacks is to look at the URL. If the URL doesn't say google.com, then it's not real. Right? Well, in captive portals, the URL just says captive.apple.com as the default. So you. There's no way to tell that's not real. Like, you're not. You just. You should never put your credentials in is basically what I'm saying, into any captive portal. And another thing to think about regarding hotel WI fi or anything related, let's say you're at a hotel or you're on an airplane and you're trying to get Internet and you have to put your credit card in to get it. Like, maybe the hotel charges more for faster Internet. I've seen that. Like, like to support streaming or whatever, I could make a fake network that says and stand outside of a hotel, or leave a device outside of a hotel, or be on an airplane and require a credit card with a name, with an address with all this info for them to upgrade their connection or upgrade whatever it may be and be stealing credit card numbers as well as their passwords. And there'd be no way for them to know that I was doing it because the second that they submit it and it's over with, now they're connected to the Internet. If I route it to the Internet.
- [40:35]
Sean Ryan
I mean, how many people are doing this? Is this. I mean, I feel like this could be happening at every single hotel.
- [40:43]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, you would be. I think it would be naive to think it's not happening all over the place. I mean, there's. There's a lot more cybersecurity people out there now than there were when I was a kid. Like, I don't know that. I can't. There's no way to tell you how many black hats exist, how many people get arrested for hacking charges. I mean, I don't have those numbers, but it's.
- [41:02]
Sean Ryan
Was this, like, pretty common, though?
- [41:05]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, these attacks are. I wouldn't say that the attacks are trivial because they're like your average person. It would take some time to understand these topics, to know how to recreate that attack. You could buy a device that just does it, but, you know, I don't know. I can't tell you how prevalent these are, but I could give you that device and you could do that with two clicks.
- [41:29]
Sean Ryan
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- [44:12]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, but you put your credit card in there.
- [44:14]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
- [44:15]
Ryan Montgomery
And how do you know it's really.
- [44:16]
Sean Ryan
So that's what I'm getting at. You know, if you go to, if you go to whatever the Holiday Inn Express and you want to get Internet and there's Holiday Inn guest, Holiday Inn Express guest. You don't know which one's the legitimate one. They make them look identical.
- [44:32]
Ryan Montgomery
So yeah, there's no way for you to know the difference.
- [44:35]
Sean Ryan
So how can people like, how can people guard against something like that?
- [44:40]
Ryan Montgomery
There's not a, not a great way to do it unless you like, you know, unless you know a little bit about, you know, computers. Because like what I would do in that case is I would, I would try to like in a captive portal on a phone, you can't like view the source of the page. Like look at the code of the front end client side of the page. I would look at that to see if there's anything odd there that's not connecting to like because this isn't connected to the Internet right now. So for you to see that Google page, it had to load the Google logo from that device. It had to load all of the text on the page from that device. Whereas if it was actually pulling data from Google, you would see all of the Google links inside the. It's called the source code. So like if you're on a laptop in a perfect world, you could right click, you could hit View source and see if, if, if the, in the code, if it actually is going to the name of the hotel.com or google.com and if that's true, it still doesn't guarantee that it's real, but it gives you a better chance.
- [45:38]
Sean Ryan
Gotcha.
- [45:39]
Ryan Montgomery
And then inside of these captive portals there's like sometimes it doesn't just say captive.apple.com you'll see like an actual name at the top. But you know, anything can be modified, man. And I just say the general way to put this is just don't trust public WI fi. So I wish I could give you a solid answer. I don't think anybody would be able to give you a better answer than that because it's kind of an up in the air public WI fi. Just there's way more vulnerabilities than just that. Yeah.
- [46:06]
Sean Ryan
Yeah. Well, I got you a gift, Ryan.
- [46:11]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh yeah.
- [46:12]
Sean Ryan
So I was going to wait, but this seems like the perfect time to give it to you One. Well, I'll give you the other gift later. So here you go. Since we're talking about public WI fi. So while you're opening that, let me tell you a story.
- [46:27]
Ryan Montgomery
All right.
- [46:28]
Sean Ryan
So actually it probably started with you. I started getting, you know, with the FBI stuff. I started getting very paranoid about who's listening in on my conversations and all that kind of stuff. And then we went to Taiwan, we went to Dubai, we started doing all these overseas interviews. I know China, you know, is looking for backdoors into our stuff. So anyways, I got super paranoid and I started looking for a real black phone. And so what I found was this company, Glacier, and they make a black phone. They do a hardened iPhone. They can do any phone, any phone you have, you can hand it to them and they will turn it into a Hardened device where it stops data from getting sucked out of you. There's an overwatch. You get endless amount of burner numbers. You get all American VPNs. You get, there's like a kidnapping type feature that tracks you more than regular iOS. But anyways, lots of features on that. But another thing they do. Where did that device go?
- [47:31]
Ryan Montgomery
I put it right here.
- [47:32]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, so open it back up. Yeah, hold that up. So anyways, I called them up, we're going to partner with them. And those phones are like 8,500 bucks.
- [47:44]
Ryan Montgomery
Really?
- [47:44]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, but I wanted, so I wanted something. I was like, look, this is becoming more and more of a thing. You see China buying a lot of the VPN companies, you see Israel buying a lot of VPN companies. And so what that thing is is so we're doing this app and the app is going to be like a more consumer friendly version of the phone. The phone is really for intel people, major corporations for their C suite, stuff like that has a secure messenger service. But anyways, so we are doing a consumer product of that that's more consumer friendly. It's gonna be an app and we're gonna call it Glacier App. There's a link for anybody that's interested with the late list down there. And we're also developing products. So that is a secure Internet device from glacier, works in 130 different countries. Basically you just turn it on, it puts you on the secure server. Like I said in over 130 countries. They set it up to where all your devices will just automatically link to it. Then you're not using public hotel WI fi, you're not using airport WI fi, you're not using anybody's WI fi, especially overseas. And it's all encrypted.
- [49:00]
Ryan Montgomery
And this is connected to like a cellular network.
- [49:03]
Sean Ryan
This is connected to a cellular network that runs through Glacier. And so all of your, all of your traffic will be.
- [49:11]
Ryan Montgomery
This is awesome.
- [49:12]
Sean Ryan
Encrypted.
- [49:13]
Ryan Montgomery
Is there like a subscription fee for, for this?
- [49:19]
Sean Ryan
We haven't released those yet. Great question.
- [49:22]
Ryan Montgomery
I get the free 99?
- [49:23]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, you get the free one. So there it is.
- [49:26]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you very much. Now you don't have to, now you.
- [49:28]
Sean Ryan
Don'T have to worry about public WI fi anymore.
- [49:31]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, I think it's more for the other people than me, but I appreciate it. I'll be using the crap out of this, I promise you that.
- [49:37]
Sean Ryan
You're welcome, man.
- [49:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you very much. I didn't realize it did all that. It looks like a power bank, but it does a lot More than Power bank, based on what you just said.
- [49:45]
Sean Ryan
Yeah. So we use that in Taiwan. We use that in Romania. We use that in Dubai. I use it everywhere now.
- [49:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Awesome. Congrats on that. That's. Thank you. Awesome.
- [49:55]
Sean Ryan
I'm pumped.
- [49:56]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [49:56]
Sean Ryan
Turned me into a tech guy.
- [49:58]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, you will.
- [49:58]
Sean Ryan
You were the first tech guy I had on what.
- [50:00]
Ryan Montgomery
I will also turn you into.
- [50:02]
Sean Ryan
What's that?
- [50:04]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I know you. I know you're wealthy, Sean, but I don't think you're this wealthy.
- [50:08]
Sean Ryan
I'm not wealthy.
- [50:11]
Ryan Montgomery
Hold on a second. I brought something for you here. Got you a billion dollars, dude. One billion.
- [50:20]
Sean Ryan
I could use an extra billion. So the Reserve bank of Zimbabwe.
- [50:25]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, but you see how it says dollars on that bill?
- [50:27]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
- [50:27]
Ryan Montgomery
So you technically have a billion dollars.
- [50:29]
Sean Ryan
Fucking A.
- [50:30]
Ryan Montgomery
You're officially a billionaire billionaire now. And I just wanted to make it very clear that you have. It's in the United States, so, you know, maybe it came from Zimbabwe.
- [50:39]
Sean Ryan
Thanks for making me a huge target.
- [50:42]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, you hear about all these problems with billionaires in the United States, but, you know, people having issues with them and all this stuff, but you're not going to be one of them. And think of all the people in Zimbabwe. They're all billionaires, too.
- [50:55]
Sean Ryan
Good point, good point.
- [50:56]
Ryan Montgomery
No problems. But just thought it was a cool thing we have. We ordered them on ebay at the office, because there's like 50 or $20 billion bills, 40 billion.
- [51:04]
Sean Ryan
Ordered these on ebay, we thought.
- [51:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, we put them in a frame, you know, and we just thought it'd be funny to give you one because it's just unbelievable the amount of inflation that's happened. But that's a whole different topic. Yeah, they don't use those bills anymore, but.
- [51:17]
Sean Ryan
Right on.
- [51:18]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, but it's a cool thing to have, I thought, but going. Actually, I got a couple things about cellular that I want to talk about.
- [51:24]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, let's do it.
- [51:25]
Ryan Montgomery
It's not. It's nothing against what you said. It's more just about cellular in general and my worries for it. So, firstly, there's. There's this thing right here which is a Verizon hotspot. Looks. No, it looks no different than a Verizon house. That's what it is. It is a hot spot. I think it's called the Orbit. The actual orbic is the. The actual model of it. They're about $9 on eBay as of recording right now. And if I plug it in, show you how simple this is.
- [52:01]
Sean Ryan
So this is the exact same thing as what I just gave you just unsecure.
- [52:05]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So this is just a hot spot. Okay. But I modified this hotspot with a custom, custom firmware called Ray Hunter.
- [52:11]
Sean Ryan
Of course you did.
- [52:13]
Ryan Montgomery
And for $9, I can. Which I know you're gonna want one of these. This is. This is up your alley.
- [52:19]
Sean Ryan
This is gonna be the framed piece for this episode.
- [52:22]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't know. I don't know. But I bring this every country I go to, everywhere I go. So it's Charger. Right now. Let me turn it. There it goes. Okay. So you see, it's got their. Their logo and everything on it. You would never know. This isn't a real hotspot. Yeah. It still does broadcast a network on it. And you'll see at the top here, you're going to start seeing a green or red. Hopefully green. A green or red line the second that it. That it boots up. Okay. So it has no service at the moment, but it's loading. Okay. So that green line at the top there.
- [53:12]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
- [53:13]
Ryan Montgomery
So that means that there are no Stingrays within proximity to us, which is going real simple as how the feds or certain people can track your phone's location. Like the information that comes from your phone. Like, just think of it as a way to determine if your phone's being tracked. And you could just have this running at all times sitting in your pocket. And instead of it. And instead of it acting as a WI fi, router or hotspot, I could take this. I can use my phone. I'll show you. I could go and connect to the Verizon network right here. And then I'll go right to my browser. Hold on. Stingray Hunter. Where is it at? Come on, I'll just.
- [54:15]
Sean Ryan
So this thing basically detects if there's any. Anything listening or gathering information on you within some type of a radius.
- [54:23]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And. And you don't have to stare at it. You know, that's. That's kind of the about it is you don't. You don't have to stare at it. And. And if it turns red once it's here. Hold on, I'll show.
- [54:34]
Sean Ryan
Like when you came to the old studio and we had that little piece of shit EMF detector thing and we found something on the wall and we're like, where is it?
- [54:42]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it's. This is. This is a whole different thing. Let me just look. I have it in my bookmark. Sorry. Because I have the actual Verizon page and then I have the page of it where it's modified. Sorry. Here we go. All right, so. Oh, actually. What the heck? I actually have a warning here.
- [55:10]
Sean Ryan
Are you serious?
- [55:11]
Ryan Montgomery
I am dead serious. Look at this. There's a red. There's a red warning. So I'll download that PCAP after. Like, I. I seriously didn't set this up. I really didn't. I swear to God.
- [55:29]
Sean Ryan
Well, shit. How do you know what it is?
- [55:31]
Ryan Montgomery
I'll download it and try to see, but it just lets me know there's a device within proximity. That's the first time I've ever seen. I've seen. That's my first time ever seeing a warning.
- [55:40]
Sean Ryan
This is likely. If you just turn your device on. This is likely a false positive.
- [55:46]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, there's two other captures above it, so I. I don't know. There's a couple below it and above it, so we'll have to look at. Into that. I've never even seen that.
- [55:59]
Sean Ryan
Wait a minute. This is my place.
- [56:04]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I. I didn't look at it.
- [56:05]
Sean Ryan
It says July. Thursday, July 3rd, Wednesday, September 10th.
- [56:11]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, then that would be incorrect. Unless the top one has the wrong date.
- [56:15]
Sean Ryan
Top One is Monday, October 20th.
- [56:17]
Ryan Montgomery
That's today.
- [56:18]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
- [56:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Then that. Then the other one must be. I must have missed it. That's.
- [56:23]
Sean Ryan
Dude, you can't be with me.
- [56:25]
Ryan Montgomery
Like, I didn't need to. I barely looked at it. I just saw red and was like.
- [56:28]
Sean Ryan
I just told you how paranoid I get about this.
- [56:31]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, this is why you need one of these. I'm.
- [56:32]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, I need. I need to buy that.
- [56:34]
Ryan Montgomery
It's nine bucks right now. I'll just give you this one.
- [56:36]
Sean Ryan
But it's nine bucks.
- [56:37]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it's a hacked version of a Verizon hotspot, but.
- [56:41]
Sean Ryan
So you just turn that on anywhere you go. How. Like, how far is the radius?
- [56:45]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, it's. It's anywhere. It receives cellular, just like a cell phone would. Yeah. So it's. What it's doing is like this. This interface is because I'm connected to the hotspot as if, like, as if you would be using it, but it's on a custom port. It's called. So, like, it's a. You know how, like, people can. They can root their. They can root their Androids, meaning, like, giving it more permissions and install custom apps. This is running a version of Android that's rooted and then it's running that custom software. So you just go in here, you let it run all day, and then you can go and just check, is it green, is it red? And if it is. If it Is red the Ray Hunter, like, GitHub is like, where all the developers put their stuff. You can copy the file and put it in there, and they'll analyze it for you. Like, you don't even need to know what you're looking at. So they'd be interested in this red one that I have because I've never even seen red before. This is my first time. But yeah. Yeah, I thought you would like this because it's kind of a cool, cheap little hockey thing, but it works.
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Sean Ryan
I'm getting like, one of those for everybody on the team.
- [57:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I'll set them all up for you. All right, so that one, what's that called? This is a regular Verizon hotspot, but the software on, it's called Ray Hunter.
- [57:57]
Sean Ryan
Okay.
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Ryan Montgomery
And. And then this is the Orbic. O, R, B, I, C Verizon Orbic. Right on. Yeah, I got mine on ebay. Let me turn it off. But as long as you're seeing a green line, you're good. And I didn't see a red line here. So I was like. As soon as I logged into the portal, it was like, red. I was like, what? Never seen red.
- [58:17]
Sean Ryan
So what do you do if it's red? Get a new hotel room.
- [58:20]
Ryan Montgomery
Put your phone in airplane mode or in a Faraday bag real quick.
- [58:23]
Sean Ryan
Okay.
- [58:23]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, because it's, you know, I. I never had it happen, but I like to know if someone's spying on me, you know, so they.
- [58:30]
Sean Ryan
They could be sucking info out, even. Okay.
- [58:35]
Ryan Montgomery
And then let's see, what else can I show you? Okay. So speaking of cell phone, staying on that topic, this is something I actually brought as another gift for you. And I love gifts. Have you heard of. Have you heard of Meshtastic? No. So it's super cool. And, you know, I. I don't know how familiar you are with the China situation. It just happened in New York. Yeah, yeah.
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Sean Ryan
Can you talk about that?
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Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I can talk about it briefly. I wrote some just so I make sure I have the numbers correct on. On that. There was 300 SIM card servers with over 100,000 SIM cards capable of 20 million or taking 20 million offline. So. And that's the tri state region of New York. So, like, not just New York, but the surrounding states too. And that's just with the ones that they found. So I think it would be kind of naive to think, you know, there's not more of these all over our entire country.
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Sean Ryan
So what could that have done?
- [59:34]
Ryan Montgomery
So it would have been a denial of service Attack is the technical term for it, but it would have been so many. Like, have you ever been to a concert or a big event where everybody's there and your phone's going so slow and no calls are going through?
- [59:43]
Sean Ryan
Yep.
- [59:44]
Ryan Montgomery
That's because that's just so many people are there. Denial of service. This is a distributed denial of service, meaning coming from multiple angles with, you know, let's say each one sending 100 text messages a minute, it's intentionally trying to flood the towers with so much data that they can't function, they can't keep up with it. So that. That's essentially what they're. What that was set up to do. And. And to my knowledge, the way they found that, at least partially, was from a tip. So I don't think they're going to get a tip everywhere that China or whoever. I'm assuming China in almost all cases has these all over our country, which scares the crap out of me. So I started looking into it.
- [60:23]
Sean Ryan
What would they. Okay, so I really want to dive in. I have an idea of where this is going, but I want you to describe, like, okay, they shut down all cell phone communications. What does that mean for the population, especially in a city that is as dense as Manhattan?
- [60:46]
Ryan Montgomery
It's absolute chaos is what happened. It's absolute chaos. Everyone relies on a phone right now in some sort of way to connect with their families, to pay their bills, to, you know, get into their cars and, like, myself included, to get into their houses to. To pay for things. It's. It gives, you know, emergency services. Yeah, like, whatever. You know, all of these things. And if you take it away, it's. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, if China attacks us with an EMP and we lose our power, I mean, some stuff that I've read means people are thinking we're not even gonna make it three months without power. Yeah. Like, a lot of people are just gonna die off.
- [61:24]
Sean Ryan
A lot of people would die off.
- [61:25]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And it's sad and it makes sense, though. So my. I mean, I. I could try to go further into it. I don't know, you know, on the politics and all that. Like, you know, I don't know a ton about it.
- [61:37]
Sean Ryan
I mean, how long would. How long would the server be down for?
- [61:40]
Ryan Montgomery
As long as they're attacking.
- [61:42]
Sean Ryan
So how would they initiate the attack?
- [61:45]
Ryan Montgomery
So this is a guess from me, but if it was me behind this, so let's say I would have all of these servers ready to go. I would have one Computer that had access to all of them. Or imagine just like a digital switch. So I remote into a computer somewhere, wherever it is, and I press the go button basically. And the go button tells all of those, those SIM servers to start sending out text messages at mass volumes. And it's just going to keep people offline. So it would be somebody remotely detonating essentially. And then at that point all of the phones in the area, tri state area, according to what I read would be they'd be completely useless. Not only with text messages, also phone calls, also data for the Internet completely offline.
- [62:34]
Sean Ryan
The like hardwired Internet as well.
- [62:36]
Ryan Montgomery
No, no, Internet would be okay because that's not, it's not affecting the cellular towers. But any cellular connection be offline. Like you would, you would see that you had connection, but it just wouldn't work.
- [62:47]
Sean Ryan
How long would they, how long could they keep it down for?
- [62:50]
Ryan Montgomery
They would have to figure out where all of the places that were distributing all of that.
- [62:54]
Sean Ryan
Holy.
- [62:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it would take time. It would be, it would be substantial enough for it to be a problem, I'll tell you that much. Especially imagine if it happened in like Utah or somewhere where there wasn't, you know, like, I don't know, I'm just taking a random guess, but like somewhere a little more desolate in certain areas at least it would take a while for that to be fixed, I believe.
- [63:15]
Sean Ryan
Would there be a way to trace that type of a signal? I mean, I mean I remember seeing the pictures of that and I mean it was like tons of antennas and electronics. I mean, was there, Is there. Do you have one, do one of these devices go, whoa, there's like a lot of text messages coming from that building.
- [63:35]
Ryan Montgomery
So none of these devices are going to go. I mean you may be able to pull some general cellular frequency stuff from the HackRF H4M, like the new Hack RF. Well, combination. It's a whole, whole thing. But you may be able to see something on here like you know like a waterfall display is. It's just like colors going down the screen. You may be able to see like a big fluctuation of that. But I don't know for sure, to be honest with you. But I do know that with a denial of service attack with a ton of numbers taking 20 million phones offline, I mean that's a serious problem regardless if they could find it or not. But the problem is this. The problem is if you're not sending or receiving text messages on all of these SIM servers, then how are they going to Identify that they're there because they're not transmitting or receiving any data at that point. If they're remote on and off switch I was talking about earlier was off. They're not going to be able to determine that they're there yet. But the second they start sending out a signal, it's probably a little bit easier for them to detect. All of this data is coming out of this specific spot. They could just, you know, go around with an electromagnetic, you know, field detector and say, wow, there's a crap ton of all this coming out of this building.
- [64:51]
Sean Ryan
By then it's too late.
- [64:53]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, at that point, it's already caused a mass hysteria or a mass problem or the media is already reporting on China's attacking us or whatever, you know, God forbid happens. So, yeah, it's wild, man.
- [65:06]
Sean Ryan
So what is the red thing here?
- [65:08]
Ryan Montgomery
So this is just. This is a radio that I built for you. I bought the parts. Obviously, it's a. The nerd details. It's a Heltech V3. It's a 3D printed case. It's got a custom antenna on it that gives you a little bit more range because out here there's a lot more space than like South Florida. We have hurricanes, we have all of the different emergencies that might happen, and we can operate with a little bit smaller antennas than what you would need in this state. So basically what this device does is it operates very similar to a walkie talkie, but way cooler. So just hear me out. When you click a walkie talkie and we're within range of each other, you're going to hear me, I'm going to hear you. Same with this. So this doesn't use your voice. You don't talk on it. Like, you know, like a phone, you text with this. So imagine I send a text and I say, hey, Sean. And then let's say you're within 100ft of me. You receive it. Now let's say you're 10 miles away from me. This antenna isn't going 10 miles with a walkie talkie. It isn't going 10 miles. The reason why they call it Meshtastic is because it's using all of the devices in between you to mesh together to get that message to the intended recipient. And on top of that, it's fully encrypted. So the devices that are carrying the message, like imagine all the walkie talkies are carrying that message until it gets to you, but none of them can hear your voice until it gets to the destination. Does that make Sense.
- [66:37]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
- [66:39]
Ryan Montgomery
So there's a primary channel which is just like, you know, it's non encrypted. Everybody's conversations in there. That's great for the natural emergency like you know, hurricanes or emergencies. And then let's say you and I want to talk about something private, off the grid. This has no cellular connection, no monthly bill. This is straight up using its own transmit and receive right from that antenna. And you can be 100% anonymous with this. And no way to recover anything. I mean this could also be used maliciously to be honest with you. But so can anything. I don't think, I don't know. It's, it's just a, it's a super cool device. I'll save my opinion. But the way to operate it is actually with that specific one. You need the, the meshtastic app on your phone. Connect it via Bluetooth and then that's just so you can send and receive messages. But there are certain ones you can buy that are pre built that, that look like blackberries actually. They have like little keyboards on them and they connect in with the mesh and then you send a message from the actual device itself and receive messages on the device itself. DOT is just a Bluetooth like so your phone's going to be your, you.
- [67:49]
Sean Ryan
Know, so the phone is the. Okay, yeah. So the message goes from your phone to this through the mesh network.
- [67:57]
Ryan Montgomery
I'll show you right now. It's so easy. So you got, can the camera see this SRS mesh. You connect in, you're on there. This is going to tell you the nodes that are around you, which we're in a building that isn't going to have any notes. But once we get outside they would messages, channels, primary channel. And then you could just say hey, I need help for example. I'll just say hey, so I don't scare anybody. And then now it's waiting to be acknowledged. What that means is it's waiting for somebody to acknowledge with their radio. It's going to acknowledge this message and relay it to as many people as possible. Because this is a channel that everyone can see.
- [68:37]
Sean Ryan
Holy.
- [68:38]
Ryan Montgomery
And then there's the seek. I made you one called secret comms which is built into this radio. It has its own private key. So if I'm, let's say I'm 100 miles away from you, I can send you a message and it's going to use a bunch of other people's radios to get the message to you, but they're not going to see what I said. She's going to use their radios to make it to you. Hopping off of them.
- [68:58]
Sean Ryan
Damn. How long does it take to get that message to somebody?
- [69:02]
Ryan Montgomery
Milliseconds.
- [69:03]
Sean Ryan
No.
- [69:04]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, yeah. It's radio. It's. It's a decentralized. It's a decentralized, like cell phone networks. Just put it, just think of it in simple terms like that, that if the power grid went down, if the cellular grid went down, the batteries on them things last so long because they're low power and they're long range and they're, they're cheap too. I mean like all in on that thing. Like we're talking like 30 bucks are useless. Yeah. And like just to have that in, like in your, in your backpack just in case something happens, God forbid, it can't hurt to have it. It's not hard to use. Like, I'm not, I don't own. It's an open source project. I don't make any money telling you anyone to buy them. But the more people that have them, the further the messages that can go South. Florida has a huge population of them. Missouri, huge population. California, huge. Like there's a lot of places that already have a ton of these there. But the more people that have them, the further your message is going to go. So interesting, kind of an interesting thing. I really, I really liked it. There was a guy in Florida because I was learning about it, you know, trying to get my house set up. I had a solar, a little solar mount with a giant antenna coming off my roof. And like, you know, I'm going way above and beyond for this. Like, my HOA probably hates me. But this guy who has this large infrastructure in Florida, he calls it Tron. Like there's this. I could show you a screenshot, but he's got, he's got these giant cell towers all the way down the coast of Florida. And as long as you can get your message to a Tron, you know, one of his locations, then it has enough transmit power to make it anywhere up and down the coast of Florida. So my goal was to get it to one of the Tron towers. So I, I finally go into their discord, like a, like their chat group. And I say like, hey, how do I like, what kind of antenna should I buy? What kind of stuff should I get? I want to make it to Delray Tron. That was the Tron that I was trying to get to. And this guy, his name's Eric, reaches out to me and he's giving me all this advice and he said, I'll come out tomorrow morning at 6:30 to the intersection of where he didn't know where he lived or anything, but I gave him a general idea. 6:30 in the morning, guy comes out, takes screenshots from his app, takes pictures on his phone. And he's showing me with a directional antenna. It's called a yagi antenna. He's aiming it at the Delray Tron south east, I think it is. And you could see that it is reaching it. So he proved that with a directional antenna that it would work. And this is a guy I've never met before. You know, somebody that's just like. If you know anything about the ham radio guys from back in the day, it's like a modern age ham radio group, but way more technologically advanced and that people are like younger. So this guy comes out of his way, goes out of his way to help me out, which is like I'm not used to doing people doing me favors like that. And to make things even crazier, the guy that came out for me is a guy that owns the Tron infrastructure for all of Florida. So I just had the first guy that. And he didn't know who I was or anything like that. He just came out out of the kindness of his heart. He drove a half hour. I found out where he lived because I came to go pick up that equipment from him later in the day. And super grateful for that. But the guy just. The guy hooked me up and spent time that he didn't need to spend. And I recommend if you go out and buy one of these things, make sure you Google like the state that you live in and join a community of some sort if you need help setting it up because it's not. It's not hard or anything, but just to get advice from people that have been. Already been doing it. You know, I already researched for around here. It's configured best for this location. But if you have any questions, obviously call me.
- [72:38]
Sean Ryan
How do you turn it off?
- [72:41]
Ryan Montgomery
You can hold both buttons, but it doesn't actually go off. It goes into like our sleep mode.
- [72:47]
Sean Ryan
Oh, right on.
- [72:48]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [72:51]
Sean Ryan
Damn. Thank you, man.
- [72:53]
Ryan Montgomery
No problem.
- [72:53]
Sean Ryan
Would say I'm gonna frame it, but.
- [72:55]
Ryan Montgomery
You should use that one. Keep that one.
- [72:56]
Sean Ryan
I am.
- [72:57]
Ryan Montgomery
And especially because of the way like, you know, without going into detail, you live high enough to reach far.
- [73:03]
Sean Ryan
Right on.
- [73:04]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [73:06]
Sean Ryan
What else do we got?
- [73:08]
Ryan Montgomery
This one. And I'm trying to speed through because I don't want to make this too long.
- [73:13]
Sean Ryan
Don't speed through it. Like this is good.
- [73:15]
Ryan Montgomery
So this Is called a screen crab. And a screen crab. If you notice here, it's got an HDMI on one side and an HDMI on this side. And. And basically this little antenna broadcasts a signal. So I could put this behind a computer monitor, put this behind a tv, more importantly, a computer monitor. And then there's an SD card slot in here on this side right here that stores a ridiculous amount of footage, like way more footage than you would imagine because it compresses the video. And this will be in line. So you can spy on somebody's computer screen and they, you know, if you put it use only, do not unplug, you know, like, and put it on a post it note or something. Stick this behind the computer. Who's gonna remove this? You know, most people are just gonna ignore it. So I thought this was a cool little covert spy gadget that most. Who's looking behind their monitor either, you know, like, it's just a cool little gadget to have. Especially when you're doing a physical pen test and you want to, you know, want to watch people go through their internal systems and see their internal communications. If you can get this thing in there, then you can stand outside their office and wirelessly watch it or store it to the SD card and then watch it later.
- [74:28]
Sean Ryan
So you can hook that up wirelessly?
- [74:31]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, yeah, that's what this is. So I could take the footage that's stored on the SD card and download it wirelessly or watch it wirelessly live.
- [74:39]
Sean Ryan
Wow.
- [74:40]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I just, I would have to be in range of it though.
- [74:42]
Sean Ryan
Gotcha.
- [74:43]
Ryan Montgomery
So that's the screen crab. And then this is called the Land Turtle. And the Land Turtle, the way I have mine configured at least is the second I plug this into usb. So if I went into one of your offices and I plugged this into one of their computers, it's going to take. It's going to immediately try to connect back to my server at my house and give me a connection like to this device. And then from this device I can try to pivot from this device to your other devices on the network. Because this is a mini computer inside of here. So it's. Without going into. Because it's nerdy stuff, without going into the details, I can use this device to pivot onto other devices, to other devices, to other ones. And then I could be a million miles away from you and still have access to this because it's connecting directly back to me. Yeah, and Hak5 makes. That's the name of the company they, they gave me A bunch of cool stuff. That's where the guy you. You interviewed, Mike Grover. Yeah, he. He works with them with his OMG cable.
- [75:43]
Sean Ryan
No kidding.
- [75:44]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And this another guy gave as a gift. JLO hacks or J J Blow hacks is. He's got an interesting name. And another guy. Yeah. JBO Hack. Hold on, sorry, I got your name wrong. Jbo. JBO Hacks and another guy created this and ZR Kraken is their usernames. They created this thing called the Nyan box which is 3D printed but it is very capable. It does a lot of what the. A lot of what this device did like the, the dual esp. But the, the Nyan box does WI Fi, Bluetooth and then it does jamming as well, which jamming is a federal crime, so. But people can still do it. Doesn't mean people aren't going to commit that federal crime. So you could jam which I'll show you here. I can choose. Give me a second here. I get into the actual jammers. Yeah, I have WLAN jammer, meaning I can jam WI FI networks. You see that on the top there?
- [76:59]
Sean Ryan
Yeah.
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Ryan Montgomery
So I could jam your WI FI network right now. And if any of these cameras are hooked up to WI fi, it's going to knock them offline. Like not using that deauth attack I was talking about earlier. Just broadcast very similar to the Chinese. Broadcasting the same frequency at such a high. I guess what's the better way to explain it? It's flooding the air with so much garbage on the same frequency that it doesn't know how to communicate anymore. That's what jamming, that's how it works. And then there's all kinds of cool features that are. I'm skipping over, but there's actually one in here that has protocol kill. Here we go. Kill WI fi, kill video cameras like meaning wireless cameras, doorbells. Kill RC like drones, RC cars. Anything that uses a remote controller, just kill that frequency. Bluetooth, Bluetooth, low energy usb. Wireless like, like usb. Mice and keyboards. This is for. What does he have here is Digby. That's another protocol. And then enter up 24. That's basically the same thing as what I was saying earlier with the keyboard and mice thing, but still all of these different things. I can choose which one. So let's say I do wireless camera. I click it and then I can start that attack and it will knock those cameras immediately offline. So that's one thing. And then the last thing I'll show you with this device is the Sour Apple Attack. So you're on the brand new version of iPhone, right?
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Sean Ryan
A little behind here. They just came out with a new one.
- [78:43]
Ryan Montgomery
Like you're at ast above version 18. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm not gonna break your phone. All right, so I just enabled Sour Apple. Do me a favor and unlock your phone real quick. You could even put it in airplane mode. It's not gonna change anything.
- [78:57]
Sean Ryan
It's an airplane.
- [78:58]
Ryan Montgomery
It already is.
- [78:59]
Sean Ryan
Join this Apple tv.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yep. Here. Keep hitting X. You're in airplane mode right now.
- [79:07]
Sean Ryan
Connecting. I hit.
- [79:10]
Ryan Montgomery
You're in airplane mode right now, so you shouldn't be getting any connections. Right.
- [79:15]
Sean Ryan
Apple tv. Keyboard. Password. Auto.
- [79:18]
Ryan Montgomery
Keep going.
- [79:20]
Sean Ryan
Wireless Audio sync.
- [79:22]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I just got a transfer phone number option so you can see the screen.
- [79:32]
Sean Ryan
Sign in.
- [79:33]
Ryan Montgomery
You probably showed your iCloud ID, right?
- [79:36]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
- [79:38]
Ryan Montgomery
So like, you know, little, little things that little opsec mistakes that Apple makes right there that I could have pop up on someone's screen.
- [79:45]
Sean Ryan
Transfer phone number. Yeah, AirPods.
- [79:48]
Ryan Montgomery
But, you know, at that point, set.
- [79:49]
Sean Ryan
Up Apple Vision Pro.
- [79:53]
Ryan Montgomery
But it makes it so your phone's unusable even if you're in airplane mode. And the only way to avoid that is to go into settings and disable Bluetooth. Not from the control center or in airplane mode, you got to go in your settings and turn Bluetooth off. I just assumed, and I think most people do, when you turn airplane mode off, your phone is turning all channels off, but it's not.
- [80:15]
Sean Ryan
So this just disrupts just about anything that's wireless.
- [80:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, that one I did the attack towards the phone, but I do have some ways that I could do it with Windows computers or Android phones, I have different attacks, but yeah, it makes it. The older versions, it crashes the phone completely. The beta version of the newest version for iPhone, like iOS 26, it was crashing that too. But the newest version, it's not. It's just. It makes your phone unusable. Like with so many. You can't use it with that many notifications popping up.
- [80:46]
Sean Ryan
I want one of these too.
- [80:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I can ask them to send you1. They 3D printed it for me.
- [80:55]
Sean Ryan
Do you ever think about, you know, when you're working with Sentinel foundation in another country and you're going out, you're hunting predators? I mean, do you ever. I'm just curious, do you ever run, do you ever run the jammer so that nobody can tap into your phones, nobody can listen in, nobody can do any of that? That while you're having like a face to face conversation, let's say you Guys are doing your brief.
- [81:17]
Ryan Montgomery
So we use Faraday bags. So, so I, I haven't had like, I've never had to do that with a jammer. But we, we do throw stuff in Faraday bags. And I mean I, you see me, I'm nuts with it. I put my laptop in a Faraday bag. I have like, that's actually something I'll bring up. I know it, I'll save the rest of it for the end. But the like we donated in collaboration with this company. We donated 130 something recently to law enforcement in Peru. And the reason why these bags are important for phones, like, for like if no one knows a Faraday bag, if you're unfamiliar, for the people that are watching, it just blocks signals from going in and out. So when, let's say there's a predator or a trafficker and they get arrested and the phone gets seized, right? You put their phone just like this in the bag and then now, now it is locked. This phone has zero signal right now. It's not getting in or out of the bag. So let's say you're law enforcement and you are trying to make sure that that evidence stays intact. You now have the ability with Apple, with icloud, with, with Android, you can wipe that phone remotely. So before they even get back to the station, somebody could wipe that phone and all your evidence is gone. But if you keep that phone in a Faraday bag, then your evidence stays preserved. And, and you know, that's one thing Sentinel did recently was, was make sure that law enforcement was equipped with these bags because they're cheap and you know, certain companies are more expensive. This one's a little more than others. They're just a nice brand. But the, there's other brands that are, you know, like $10 a bag, $20 a bag. And that could be the difference between a guy doing, you know, no time in prison or, you know, the rest of his life.
- [82:59]
Sean Ryan
Yep.
- [83:00]
Ryan Montgomery
So, damn, I think they're very important. Yeah.
- [83:03]
Sean Ryan
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Ryan Montgomery
Are they still legal in 50 states?
- [86:30]
Sean Ryan
RFK hasn't, you know, kicked him off the.
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Ryan Montgomery
Wow.
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Sean Ryan
Off the shelves here.
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Ryan Montgomery
How you're getting away with this.
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Sean Ryan
I mean, either, you know, I mean, all kinds of toxic in there, but it does taste good. And there's no drugs in there, so that's good.
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Ryan Montgomery
None.
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Sean Ryan
But they're still legal in all 50 states. But, and then, you know about Patreon, we got Patreon community. They've been with us since the beginning. And, and you know, I always give them credit. They're the reason that I get to sit here with you today.
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Ryan Montgomery
Well, let me say something before you say that. So the Patreon Group, one of your staff members showed me some of the amazing comments because I guess you guys put a post out saying like, Ryan Montgomery's coming back on if you have any questions. And there was, he said three times the amount of comments that he's ever seen, which was heartwarming for me, obviously. So I was like, I want to go on there and thank them. So I opened up my phone and I guess Since I'm a $5 a month member and I'm not, I don't have enough to ask a question or whatever, I couldn't see my own post. And I'm in the middle of us talking like, you know, prior to our breaks and my phone's. And I'm like, come on, please, microphone. Do not be picking this vibration up. And I thought people were texting me or calling me, but it's your Patreon going wild right now.
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Sean Ryan
No shit.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, yeah. So if anyone hears any vibrations, it's the Patreon people just being extremely supportive and so thank you, guys.
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Sean Ryan
Right on, man. So one of the things I do, obviously I just, you just kind of brought it up there. But we offer them the opportunity to ask each and every guest a question. So this is from Jeff Bishop. What are ways that someone aspiring to get into white hat hacking can get experience? What technology can average Americans use to protect themselves or become more efficient in cybersecurity for day to day life?
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Ryan Montgomery
Okay, So I think the first thing, the first thing that comes to mind is using all of the resources that are available right now, like Capture the Flag platforms. So there's a few of them, obviously I favorite Try Hack Me, because that's the one that I, I, you know, I'm quote unquote, number one on even. Yeah, I'm number one on their leaderboard, but number one on their platform or whatever. I love Try Hack Me and I'll explain why in a second. But there's Try Hack Me, there's Hack the Box, there's. There's portswigger Academy, there's there's, there's a bunch of them. Even, even the name is slipping me right now. But a good friend of mine, Nahamsek, has his own platform that he's building out. Look him up. But there's a ton of awesome platforms you can learn on that. Not only are capture the flag style, meaning you have to solve a challenge and get the flag before somebody else and you get more points where it's more competitive. There's walkthroughs that teach you just the basics of networking or the basics of how to use Windows, how to use Mac, how to use Linux, how to use, use a cell phone. How do you do forensics on a cell phone? How do you, you know, you name the category, there's a walkthrough for it on Try Hack Me, Hack the Box, et cetera. And, and I would recommend as somebody, let's say you've never touched a computer, excuse me, never touched a computer in your life. You join one of these platforms, you click the Complete Beginner tab, you start going down each one of those tasks individually. Some of them are going to be boring, but the cool thing is a lot of them are hands on. So not only are you reading, but you're, you're learning as you go through each category and, and you're, you're seeing the result of what you've done. So like, one of them is, I remember on TryHack Me in the beginning, like I brought a lot of people onto that platform and I don't own it or anything, but I like the platform. One of the first ones is hacking a bank. So it's a fake bank that they have set up and your goal is to transfer funds from one account to your account. And it shows the vulnerability in that specific case of how you would move the funds over. But they explain it in such a simple way that anyone can understand.
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Sean Ryan
Interesting.
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Ryan Montgomery
And then it gets progressively harder. But anything that gets harder, you've already learned in previous steps.
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Sean Ryan
So this whole website is like an education for people wanting to hack.
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Ryan Montgomery
So half of it is that and then the other half is competitive hacking, where already experienced hackers are competing to get the first, like the first, it's called first Bloods, but meaning like, like the highest level of permissions on that, that computer. And, and a lot. You know, the reason why I got first place and why I have the most points is because I got that first. First, you know, first bloods on almost, almost all of the three challenges a week for six months straight. And you get double the points per question that you answer if you're the first person to answer it.
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Sean Ryan
Gotcha.
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Ryan Montgomery
So that's why I ended up in first position and by, you know, I have like a 20,000 point lead. And the funny thing is they had to change their whole point system so because of me. So now when you like they have weekly leagues now where like there's a bronze league going all the way up to like Sapphire diamond and then like there's a weekly winner based on your point numbers. And then once you go to the overall leaderboards, there's a, it defaults to the monthly leaderboard, whoever's winning for the month. And then if you click a button that says all time and it defaults to the country you're in. So whoever's the first number one in that country. And then if you click that and you go to all countries, then you see me at the top. So you got to go through four steps to see that I'm number one on the platform.
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Sean Ryan
Damn.
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Ryan Montgomery
Whereas before it was just you didn't even have to be signed into the website. You could just click leaderboards and you'd see it as at the top. But they changed it because I get it, it's not motivating to the users if there's no way that they can overtake me unless they spend five plus years and I quit. And I understand why they did it, but it was funny to say the least. And the reason why I bring up trihackme and all these other platforms is it's a great place for you to learn, great place for you to join a community, which as I've talked about in the past, is the foundation of how I've learned. Community, mentors, people, you know, actually spending time. And I, you know, I'm not, I was never scared to ask questions. And thankfully like I was talking about with the meshtastic radios and off the grid communications, like those people are all, a lot of them are ham radio guys. Like they super willing to help. You just have to ask nicely and try to be part of their community. They don't expect anything in return from you. And it's the same goes for these cybersecurity platforms. So, so highly recommend that he does that. And while learning offense, I think that offense is your best defense.
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Sean Ryan
No kidding.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, because if you know how to attack, you know how to defend. So being aware is one thing, but knowing how that attack works in the first place means you know how to defend against it. So it kind of answers the question. I think in Both ways.
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Sean Ryan
So what is something for people that aren't going to learn how to attack for, for you know, people that aren't tech savvy? What is, what is something that they can do to take cybersecurity more, more seriously?
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Ryan Montgomery
I think educating themselves, watching videos, then if they don't want to go through learning anything about it, like on a hands on level learning, you know, by just listening to people like myself watching some of my PSA videos I like to call them, because they're short, like 1530 second videos where I just talk about an important topic. This is what's the danger is this is what you can do to fix it. And, and I keep it really short, simple, to the point. You could do that, you could Google like how can I stop hackers from hacking my wi fi? Or you know, watch a YouTube video on it and maybe there's something like if you buy this new router, there's currently no vulnerabilities. You know, like that's I guess the simplest way I can put it.
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Sean Ryan
But like if you'll say just watching your Instagram TikTok feed, I mean it's, you started putting out these videos after our, after our interview three years ago. I go crazy. But I mean it's everything from talking about the Bark app, you know, for parents to erasing your, your, your, your, your residence off Google Earth, erasing your address. Like, there's a ton of like really good information on all of your social media pages that are, I mean it's just good stuff that a lot of people don't think about.
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Ryan Montgomery
I genuinely appreciate it and like, you.
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Sean Ryan
Know, for me it's simple too. You make it simple.
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Ryan Montgomery
I try to. And that's. I pissed off so many of the neckbeards, like the cyber security guys out there that you know, like, you know what, I'll go into this because it's important to me. When I was a young kid, I was bullied like crazy. I was bullied because I looked different, I acted different, I didn't really fit in. And when I say bullied, I don't mean just them hurting my feelings by saying things to me. And you know, whatever I was physically, I didn't grow up in the greatest areas, didn't go to the greatest schools, and I'll get into more of that too. But I was bullied on a level that most kids wouldn't make it through and I coped with it in my own ways. But I, oh, I'm sorry, I'm missing. I forgot what I was Gonna say again? It happened to me again.
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Sean Ryan
Bullied. You're getting bullied?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I was getting bullied, but what was I originally bringing up why I'm being bullied? What were we talking about before that? Sorry, I just lost my train of thought. Cause I was trying to think of something else. Crap, man.
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Sean Ryan
Well, we could sit here all day and try to figure it out.
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Ryan Montgomery
No, but you asked me a question, though. You asked me a question and it was. It was. This is important.
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Sean Ryan
What. What can people do? I was talking about your page. I said it's. If anybody looking.
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Ryan Montgomery
Oh, the cyber security scumbags. So if you. If you can. Neck beards. Yeah, the neck beard. So if you. I mean, I would really appreciate if you cut that out. Because I want them to know I want. I don't want them to make fun of the fact that I couldn't remember that I was making fun of them. But. So these neck beards, when I was getting bullied like crazy as a kid, you know, like on another level, getting like, you know, the crap beaten out of me all the time by multiple people getting jumped, you know, and moving all over the place, different schools, never, never finding a safe, safe place. The one safe place that I found was the Internet. I had the cybersecurity community, the little one that existed back then, which was aol, Instant messenger and irc. That was it. There was nothing more than that in the beginning. Slowly, a couple things started to come out. But they were the nicest people to me. That's where I felt the most at home. That's where I felt the safest. That's what made me happy at the end of the day. And I think Bryce actually said it. Well, he said, kids go around every day, but they come home and rule the world. And that's what it felt like to me. It felt like a community. And it felt. Felt like maybe. Maybe it's a bad way to put it, but it felt powerful, you know, something that I didn't feel as a kid. And. And then for me to come on to this show and start talking about gadgets and talking about cybersecurity and trying to simplify it on purpose, like, you know, and. And I've never claimed to be the best hacker in the world, never did any of those things. For them to say what they've said about me and treat me the way they've treated me over the last three years, it's very disheartening, man. I mean, now I know I have a lot of support out there. I have a lot of love out there from people, but it isn't. It isn't the cybersecurity community. It's far from the cybersecurity community. They. They've showed me how ruthless they are, how divided they are, how opinionated they are, how, you know, like, I. Like I said, their neck beards are actually types. I just can't handle it. I don't want. And I. It really bothered me in the beginning, all of my insecurities, they. They validated, you know, which I understood. Like, I understand I have two different ears, one's going one way than the other. I understand I have a dysfunction in my jaw where my jaw doesn't open wide enough. I understand that I'm skinny. I understand that, you know, one of my eyes is lower than the other one. Stop staring at my face, dude. You know, like, you're the one watching me. You know, I don't care, like. But I did, though. I'm not gonna lie and say it didn't bother me, but it did bother me at first. It genuinely did. And. And I care now. Like I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's going to make it into the show or not, but I intentionally want to aggravate them, make the title number one ethical hacker. I seriously couldn't give a crap. Less in the nicest way possible. And, yeah, so thankfully, I see that the 99.99% that aren't cybersecurity people, they seem to be getting along with me well. And that. That. That makes me feel very good and happy and grateful and, you know, it's just once you get onto Reddit and Twitter, like, where. Where are the neck beards live? Where they sit in their little basements on their computers, mad at the world. I just don't want any part of it.
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Sean Ryan
It's lonely at the top, Ryan.
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Ryan Montgomery
I guess so, man, you're figuring that out. I figured figuring it out, yep.
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Sean Ryan
But you're doing great.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, they'll love. They'll love, you know, the gadgets and love and telling me how this one's wrong or that's wrong. It's like, shut up, dude. Nobody cares. You know? That's the truth. Yeah. Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
Dude, you can't listen to those people, man. I don't have anything better to do.
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Ryan Montgomery
We spent maybe an hour about it last night.
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Sean Ryan
You gotta think they have nothing better to do than to sit there and talk about you. Not get better at hacking. Not better, their life. Not go make a better living, not go get a Fucking girlfriend or a boyfriend. They just want to fuck with you. That's exactly, that's how pathetic their existence is. They're going to waste all their time and just to talking about you on the Internet and you will never even fucking meet them.
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Ryan Montgomery
That's exactly right. And even if I do meet them, I'm not going to know who they are, Sean, because they hide behind aliases, they make a, they go out of their way to watch the video that, make an account, set up a fake email, confirm the email, put a fake profile picture. If they even do that, leave a comment, send a message, do whatever they do. Like you're spending more time on me than I am on you. Who is the loser, bro? Yeah, like it's, it's absolutely mind blowing. But then like, like I said to you yesterday, like, like I go to these hacker conventions, like 30,000 people there, I've gone to some that are smaller, but DEF con, the last I've spoke, I did the keynote. The last four years straight, even prior to our first episode, I did the keynote with, it's called Red Team village. And not one time out of 30,000 plus people has anyone come up to my face and said something negative. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I've taken over a thousand pictures every single year. Other than the first year, of course, because nobody knew who I was. But last three years, thousand pictures, easy lines of people that want to take. Not an ego thing, it's just facts. Fact, not one of them said a negative word to me. And it's like, I guess maybe because I grew up in a different spot, a little harder than some of these people, but like, like I, if, if you got, if you're gonna talk behind a screen and you're gonna say it to my face, like, be ready to like, you know, I, I'm not a violent person, don't get me wrong. But like if you come at me, I'm, I'm coming back at you. I'm, I grew up in a spot where that's, that's where that's how things go. I'm never going to attack somebody for no reason. But if you're going to say what you're saying to me online and threaten me and my family and all these things, then you better in real life do the same thing.
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Sean Ryan
Yeah.
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Ryan Montgomery
So I'm not claiming to be big bad or anything like that, but I'm not, not just going to sit back and let somebody bully me or take advantage of me as a grown man. It's not happening. That's the nicest way I can put it. Sorry.
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Sean Ryan
I said it's all good, man. You can't pay attention to these fucking people.
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Ryan Montgomery
I don't. I really don't. And I wanted to make it clear that I did. And I don't care anymore. And now it's just entertaining for me. Let's.
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Sean Ryan
Let's move on with the interview. You ready?
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Ryan Montgomery
I am ready.
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Sean Ryan
All right. We left some stuff out in childhood last time.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yep, we did.
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Sean Ryan
What did we leave out?
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Ryan Montgomery
So this is. So I made it pretty clear. Had a serious drug addiction at a very young age. And so did most of my family on my dad's side, not my mom's side, my dad's side. And unfortunately lost a ton of them, lost a ton of friends. I talked about that a little bit the last time. Since our last interview, I've lost three more family members. And I showed you actually today what my cousin on my dad's side is on one of those random street interviews, you know, whacked out on. On fentanyl. And it's, you know, it's my son. So just the reason why I say that is I grew up with drugs as a serious problem around me at almost all times, friends and family. And my mom's side of the family was probably one of the most valuable pieces because I didn't have that really as much of a problem on that side. When I was really young, though, just kind of skipping right into a story. I was probably 11 years old and I'm hanging out with the bad kids in the neighborhood, you know, and. And I won't name them, but there was three of them. And we decided that we wanted to grow some weed. And that wasn't a hardcore drug or anything. As an 11 year old, it is. But whatever the case is, we decided we wanted to grow some weed. And I hate weed. I can't stand it. The feeling makes me freak out. There's no weed on this planet I've ever had a good reaction to. So never liked weed, but I liked the idea of growing it. I don't know why. Maybe because I'm a nerd. But we agree that we're going to move these plants, these little baby plants between all of our houses and try not to get caught by our parents. Of course, you know, because that wouldn't be good. One of the kids, skipping a ton of details, one of the kids tells his mom that I have the plants at my house. The mom hated me already. And the mom calls the Local police. Police call my mom. My mom gets brought into the station with me. They happen to do some stuff, some type. They committed some crime, and the cops are accusing me of this crime, and then I had nothing to do with it. And then they have my mom kind of cornered and, and confused and, and like, letting. Letting her know, like, hey, we know about these weed plants that you have in your house. Just let us know about it. We'll take care of it. And they convinced my mom that there's. There's no big deal. Like, you know, they're just going to come by and pick up up the plants and it's going to be over with. Like, that's what they had my mom thinking. I'm 11. I can't tell my mom. That's a lot.
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Sean Ryan
You're 11?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
You're growing pot at 11?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
Holy, dude.
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Ryan Montgomery
It wasn't a crazy operation, but they made it out to be. So what ended up happening was we're at the police station, sitting there with my mom, and my mom believes that they're. The cops are just going to come in there and they, they gave my mom two options. Either let us come pick it up, or we'll sit out front and wait until a warrant, you know, blah, blah, blah, and then, like a warrant comes in and then we can go in and get them. So either way, you're giving up the plants is basically what they put my mom in the position of. And she, she was unaware of this situation. It's not like my mom was like, yeah, grow weed in the house. You know, it wasn't like a thing. And I'm just a little boy. The cops promise my mom that they're not going to make a spectacle out of it. It's not going to be a thing. They just want to get the plants out. She believes it. They come, they take the plants. The whole neighborhood's outside, they're taking the plants. They're little plants, but they're, you know, maybe this tall. There's a, you know, a bunch of little baby plants that are just little. They're called, like, the germination stage. Like after the seeds start to grow a little root, like, and you just see a little piece of plant coming out of the soil. Like, most of them were like that. And then there was like two or three of them that were like this tall. And the cops bring them outside with no bags covering them. The whole neighbors embarrassing the crap out of my mom at that time. And the cops charged me with possession with intent to deliver for that, like, as a drug dealer, they charged me with cultivating marijuana. And the charge, it was something to do with vandalism or something, but something I had nothing to do with, with the other kids. I wasn't even involved in it, but they charged me with it anyway. And that was my first time ever getting in trouble. But that turned into probation. That didn't turn into any type of. Of facilities or any type of detention centers or anything like that. This was just probation where I had to go pee in a cup with a juvenile probation officer who, you know, was strict but wasn't anything like what I'm going to get into later. And, you know, when you're, when you're that young, you're doing the wrong thing, you're in the wrong areas, you're hanging out with people that are doing serious drugs. Like, because at 11 years old, I was hanging out with bad people. I started doing more, you know, more. What's. What's the word for it? Sorry. After, you know, being on probation, you're at. You're on, like, you're at way higher risk of getting in more trouble because you have to check in if you get. If you don't show up on time, if you pee in a cup and you fail for a different drug or any drug for that matter, if you don't, if you don't do anything correctly, you're getting a violation and you're going to juvenile detention, bare minimum, and then sent to a rehab residential program or whatever, and whatever they want to do to you, they're going to do to you. So I get in trouble way more times with different drugs and being on probation. I'm failing drug tests, I'm in school, getting in trouble, getting caught with drugs and, you know, all these.
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Sean Ryan
How old were you when you started drugs?
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Ryan Montgomery
11.
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Sean Ryan
You started at age 11.
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Ryan Montgomery
I started messing with, with various drugs at 11, like, including weed, you know, and alcohol and all the, like, you know, just stuff that people usually start around 15, you know, 14, 15. Not that it's okay to start at that age, but that's the average based on, I think what I know, the, the ecstasy and all of that stuff started very, very soon after just the experiment or experimentation phase because, like, don't even really count weed as the experimentation phase because I hated it from the beginning. It freaked me out so bad that I couldn't even smoke this stuff. But for whatever reason, I loved ecstasy, as I told you the first time. And then the comedown of ecstasy sucked so bad that when somebody introduced me to, to, to opioids, the come down, it made it way easier. And then I realized I like the opioids better than I like the ecstasy. And that's why I stopped going to the raves and all that stuff in Philly like we talked about. So all of that's happening and I'm failing drug tests for opiates and benzos and amphetamines because of other situations I'm going to get into. But this is all in a very. Because remember my drug problems were 11 to 17, so it wasn't that long. But a lot happened in that short period of time, if that makes sense. So long story short on that I'm on probation, she violates me and I end up in the juvenile detention center time after time after time for all these different stupid petty crimes all revolving around drugs. Nothing violent, nothing anything other than, you know, I'm not saying what I did was right, but like stealing stuff or having like I got self harm.
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Sean Ryan
It was all self harm stuff.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, all stuff that I was doing to myself. But then the only thing that wasn't was, was actually a pretty crazy story that I'll tell you was, which actually goes into another one with my dad. A guy who was a grown man who was married to a grown woman who was actually even twice his age was picking me and those kids up in the neighborhood at a very young age, 12, 13 years old, picking us up 12 o' clock in the morning. I remember we had a ladder on the side of my bedroom window and he would pick us up and we'd get in his car, he would drive us to all these different cities in Pennsylvania and he would park at the end of the block and we would just go check all the door handles down the block for each car and steal the change. The GPSs, like back then GPSs were in all everyone's cars. And you know, if they like go into their, their glove box and see if they had emergency gas money in there and all, whatever they had that was worth something, we would take it, we'd give it to him and then at one point he would, you know, he would sell the stuff. So what I found out later about this guy, and I'm wrong for that it was fueling a drug addiction at this time because you know, remember I, at this age I'm doing opioids are very expensive and then that turned into heroin. And we've already talked about that story, so I'm trying to skip that. But the guy, the craziest part about this Is at one time he tells me, hey man, take home some of this stuff. So I took home a ton of the stolen merchandise. And at one point he had a revolver in his bedroom. And I was like, you know, I never had a gun before, never shot a gun before at that time. And he gives me this revolver. There wasn't any bullets or anything, but he has, he gave me the revolver and I had this. And I had all of this stolen merchandise. And the next morning it's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You hear just knocking at the door, like loud. Like it sounded like the SWAT team was at my house. The cops are at the door, guns out. My family, my mom, my stepdad at the time, sat at the door and they, you know, they see guns out. So it's like obviously serious and, and they're like, where's the gun? Where's the gun? They know about the gun and I didn't tell anyone about the gun. So they go right up into my bedroom. They know exactly where this gun's at. They go right to grab all the stolen merchandise. I get charged with 110 counts of receiving stolen property. I got a weapons charge for the revolver. Even though it had no bullets or whatever. I wasn't planning on using it, but I had it. I find out this guy that's been picking us up every night was an informant for a completely different case. So this guy's committing crimes while he's an informant with children. He's using children to rob cars to fuel his addiction while he's a police informant, so. And so him and his wife end up in the newspaper. His name's Thomas James Gallagher, who actually just got arrested recently for unfortunately murdering a third or not an 18 year old girl in a DUI situation. But yeah, so he, he did that later in life and. But what he did to me was wrong too, but he was in the papers for that too. And it was called like Kitty kitty. Car thieves or something was the title of the news article. And whatever the case is, the guy has, he must have had some really bad luck because he ends up on the same block as my dad. And my dad is very different looking than I am. Like, we have similar eyes and like features, but my dad is like a six foot gorilla, like, bald head, like very different than me. And my dad finds out that he is TJ Gallagher on the block and he's talking about like, you know, I know your son, blah, blah, blah. My dad punches him right in his jaw, breaks his jaw in the George W. Hill Correctional Facility. His jaw got wired shut. They transferred my dad to a state prison to get him away from this guy. And my dad was sticking up. I mean, as much as my dad has gone, like I said the last time, has done drugs and has been in and out of jail and done some dumb things in my life, like, my dad cares about me. It's just drug addiction is tough and I lost my family to it. I lost, you know, his most. Like my sister Ariana. She's my half sister, but I call her my sister, and my brother Danny, they. Their mother, Lauren, which was my dad's, like, kind of basically his wife and their parents, she passed from an overdose, you know, semi recently. And a lot of people have passed recently. And. But my dad, the reason why I say that is he has a lot of problems at the moment. He just got hit with. Hit on. He was on an electric scooter. He got hit at 65 miles an hour by a car. And he broke almost everything from his stomach down to his ankles. And like, if you've seen the pictures, it Would it blow your mind that he's alive? My dad, on the other hand, has been shot, stabbed, lit on fire, and now hit by a car. And I could tell you every, each one of those stories individually, and he's still alive. So the man has a wild story within itself. It's just still happening current day. My dad's story is not over. Like, it's not. It's still live action, you know. But my dad has always cared about me and he loves me. I know that. But it's really hard to be present as a father for, you know, 32 years when your main focus is alcohol and drugs. And if you're in prison or jail, even if you're in jail, at least for that case, he was in jail for something, but then he got more time for breaking that dude's jaw. Like, I know he loves me. I know he cares about me, but it was tough going back to another time. My dad went to jail, though. In the bullying scenario, there was this kid named Charlie. I won't say his last name because I don't want to embarrass him because he's probably older now and doesn't want, you know, doesn't. Probably is very different than he was when I was a little boy. But in the middle of all this bullying, this kid, Charlie, his parents were really rough on him and weren't letting him stay at the house. So I was letting him stay at my house, but my mom hated him. My mom didn't want him around because she heard bad things about him from other parents, and I just lied about his name and never told her his real name. So she called him a fake name for a long time. Out of nowhere, the kids that were bullying me got him to join the I Hate Ryan group. And, you know, it was all over something stupid, if I can remember. It was about, like, a fake hit of acid that was sold that, like, I don't even remember doing, to be honest with you. But all of these people just wanted to hate me, and they wanted to arrange this fight to happen at this park. And the goal was for me to fight Charlie one on one. So a guy that was my friend that I was giving a place to sleep every night, you know, at risk of me getting in trouble for lying about who he was for a while. Now he wants to fight me. So I'm like, all right, dude, let's go. My mom freaks out about it, of course, because she's my mother, and she calls my dad, which she never would do unless it's an emergency, because my mom and my dad are like very different people. Oil and water, you know, My mom is just an angel. Never did drugs, never got in trouble. Very different person calls my dad. My dad shows up to, you know, and he's wasted. He's on drugs. He's with my sister and brother's mom, Lauren, at the time, who passed, but she was wasted. Had one of those big plastic cups full of vodka and Coca Cola, like exactly what you'd imagine it to be. And they want to come with me while I fight this kid one on one to make sure everything's fair. And I was like, okay, you know, that's. That's all right if you want to do that. We show up at this park. No exaggeration to you, Sean. I'm not. Not even embellishing this. There were 40 kids at this park that were trying to come at me. Like, there's a basketball court in the back of the park. And then it's just a lot of, like, walkway up to. It's like, playground. There's a creek. And then, you know, and then in the back was a basketball court. There was no exaggeration. 40 kids there. So the goal was to fight Charlie one on one, and I was willing to do that. My dad comes up. He sees that I'm about to get attacked by a bunch of kids at the same time, and he just starts swinging on kids, like he's punching all of these kids. He threw one into A bike hit his head on a, you know, a peg on a bicycle. One of them, like, into the basketball court thing. Like, he hits Charlie. All these kids. Charlie's mom drives by after, she's screaming out the window, like, f U F to my mom, like, it was a disaster. My dad gets arrested for beating up kids. Obviously does two years for that for me, even though I didn't ask him to go fight a bunch of kids. What he didn't realize, even though he thought he was doing something good for me, and he stopped me from getting jumped by 40 people. And he tried to do what he thought a father would do in that scenario. But what happened was everybody now hated me even more because I got my dad to go beat somebody up or beat everybody up for me, which I didn't. But it looked that way at the time. So it forced me out of that school, it forced me out of that town. And my dad had to do two years in prison for it. And, you know, he's never thrown it in my face. Never done, like, as much as I. Like I said my dad's a piece of work. He really is. He's surprising sometimes when it comes to those things, but I love him to death. I do. But he's just. He's not my mom. They're very different people, you know. And then, like I said, my grandfather was like a father figure to me my whole life, where I had stability with him.
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Sean Ryan
Whose side?
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Ryan Montgomery
Mom's side, my mom's side, my dad's side. My grandfather was machete to death in Florida.
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Sean Ryan
What?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Yeah, man. So my uncle Michael, my dad's brother, stabbed to death in Chichester, Pennsylvania. My grandfather macheted to death on my dad's side in Florida. My uncle Richie overdoses on fentanyl when it comes out by snorting it, not by injecting it. Uncle Richie's daughter just was on that interview. All of the other family's still currently on drugs. One of our long, like my dad's long term family friends just passed a couple days ago, three days ago, named Paul Lozak. He just passed overdose most likely, but not 100% sure. So I don't want to say that in stone. I know his dad's a. I don't want to embarrass the family. So actually, maybe I shouldn't even said that. But I feel horrible for his family. And my grandmom and my aunt, they dealt with all of that, losing all their kids. And my aunt grew up with some birth defects and she didn't make it very long. She died in between our interviews within a month or so of my grandmother passing away on my dad's side. So we had a double funeral. And almost everyone, except maybe two people at the funeral, were high. Maybe three.
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Sean Ryan
Jeez, dude.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it's. It's a. It's sad, man, but that's what Philadelphia and this and the out, like, the surrounding cities look like right now.
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Sean Ryan
And that is, like, some serious generational trauma.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I mean, that's just. There's so much more to that, to the crime stuff, too. So I want to get into that. And I don't want to cut you off at all. I just wanted to finish that real quick. Is just the. I don't want to make my dad look bad. That's not why I'm on here, because I really don't. Like, I know that in a different world, in a different circumstance, he would not be the way that he is. And if he could beat addiction, and maybe one day he will. I know that he will be just as caring as I will be when I have my first kid. But as of right now, I know he loves me. And I can't change. I can't change him as a person. I love it. So I guess I'll keep it at that with him. And I'll get back into the legal stuff when you're done. I'm on a tangent.
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Sean Ryan
No, it's fine, man. It's fine. I mean, you know, one question. I mean, growing up with that and still dealing with that side of the family and all the addiction, and, I mean, I'm kind of curious, you know? And you've owned recovery centers. Are you still involved in recovery at all?
- [122:09]
Ryan Montgomery
No. I mean, I've never claimed to, like. Well, at one point, you know, I talked about how many years I was clean and all that. I don't do drugs. I don't drink. I don't smoke weed. So technically, yeah, I'm in recovery, or clean, if you define it in those words, But I don't practice it. So I wouldn't go to, like, an AA meeting or NA meeting and feel confident saying, like, I am something I'm not.
- [122:32]
Sean Ryan
That's not what I meant. I meant, do you. Are you still involved in helping people recover?
- [122:39]
Ryan Montgomery
Indirectly, yes. So, like, if somebody wants help, if somebody, like. Like, for example, if my cousin that was just recorded in a street interview said, hey, I want to go to rehab, I have the connections that could put her in a place, insurance or not, I'll make sure she gets help. And I do that all the time if people need help. So in that regard, yes, I own a healthcare company. I won't go into all the details because it's a whole irrelevant story, but it. We audit charge for behavioral health and we do a great job at it, so. But still indirectly, helping rehab stay afloat, do well, helping people that are in treatment stay in treatment without their insurance, kicking them out to the street. So, yeah, indirectly, yes. Not directly anymore.
- [123:17]
Sean Ryan
Where I'm going with this is. I mean, the fentanyl epidemic is massive.
- [123:22]
Ryan Montgomery
It's huge, Huge China.
- [123:25]
Sean Ryan
Hundreds of thousands of people are dying from it. Having been through it, having been through recovery, you know, and we talked a lot about this. I mean, you lost your best friend growing up. I lost my best friend. We shared that stories. There's this flag up there, you know, I mean.
- [123:44]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [123:45]
Sean Ryan
And so, you know, I mean, where I'm going with this is everybody knows somebody that's addicted to heroin, fentanyl, opiates, you know, one narcotic or another, and the addiction problem just seems to be getting worse and worse and worse. And so with somebody has as much experience as you have, I mean, what is your advice for somebody who has a loved one who is addicted to heroin, fentanyl, meth, anything that's going to ruin their life because you. And the reason I'm asking is. I see, you know, I almost did it. I mean, you will see people with a loved one who's suffering from an addiction like that. Their. Their life will. They will ruin their own life.
- [124:34]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, yeah.
- [124:35]
Sean Ryan
Trying to save somebody who doesn't want to be saved. And so that's kind of what I'm asking, you know, how do you totally.
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Ryan Montgomery
Understand what you're saying? And, and I wish there was the perfect answer for it, but the, you know, you're. You're going to hear the, the, the common. You know, they need to want it. Like they need to want to be clean, which is true. I believe that they have to want to go through it. They want to have a new life, they want to have a new future, to stop using. I truly believe that. But on the other hand, they may not realize that they want it because they haven't been clean long enough to realize what the difference is because their normal is high or their normal is what they believe is sober is high. So for them to want it would be pretty difficult. The only time they may want it is when they're sick, when they're withdrawn. So I think that forcing them to. Because certain states, like Florida, we Have a baker act. If you're a harm to yourself or others, you could be forced into a hospital. I think in certain cases, especially when you're doing this new stuff, it's not just fentanyl. There's xylazine, metetomidine, all these tranquilizers that are not even opioids, that Narcan can't bring you back from if you're overdosing. If you. If you really. If you want to. You know, if you like, you may need to like those. Well, I'm sorry. The tranquilizers. Even if you are smoking them, if you're snorting them, if you're swallowing them, they're creating holes in your skin like that. I don't know if you've seen crocodile, like the stuff that people inject, like the cheap heroin. It's not real heroin. These tranquilizers are putting holes in people's arms and legs, and they're walking around Kensington, Philadelphia, looking like zombies with actual legs and arms cut off.
- [126:20]
Sean Ryan
What?
- [126:20]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Yeah, you can look up videos. It's crazy. So they're at a point where they're going to die from sepsis or from an abscess or from an infection or septic shock or whatever it ends up being. Force them into a hospital. Force them to get over the physical withdrawal. Get them into a program. If you could somehow pull it off and see what happens. But I can't make any promises. Addiction. The only reason that I stopped was because I had enough time away. I was forced. I had no choice. Welcome to Walgreens. Looking for a holiday gift?
- [126:58]
Sean Ryan
Sort of. My cousin Freddie showed up to surprise us. Oh, sounds like a real nice surprise. Exactly. Exactly. So now I have to get him a gift, but I haven't gotten my bonus yet. So if we could make it something really nice but also not break the.
- [127:11]
Ryan Montgomery
Bank, that'd be perfect. How about a Keurig for 50% off?
- [127:15]
Sean Ryan
Bingo savings all season. The holiday road is long. We're with you all the way.
- [127:20]
Ryan Montgomery
WalGregreens offer, valid November 26 through December 27.
- [127:23]
Sean Ryan
Exclusions apply.
- [127:25]
Ryan Montgomery
And I want to get into something real quick. So before. Before I got clean, I was still actively using. I got sent to all these different schools. I went to Buxmont Academy, which was a pet smart that got converted into a school. And there was no walls. It was just a big warehouse that had rolling dividers for the classrooms that you could, like, reach your hand over and you'd be in the other classroom. That was my high school for ninth grade. I believe it was. And then, like I said, I dropped out going into 10th grade, but I did ninth grade, a place called Bucksmont, which was for bad kids or because I had what was called an iep. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, an individual education plan. It's for kids that have learning disabilities, whether it be you have trouble reading, you have trouble with math, or in my case, it was from trauma, or it was called an emotional support iep. So they realized I wasn't getting along with kids in my school. There was a lot of fights, a lot of problems. So they decided to send me to boxmart, which was a Petco or petsmart, whatever. It was a Petco. Petco that was converted into a school. Lots of fighting in there. Lots of, you know, you're not the greatest education. Some of the teachers met very well, but not the greatest education you could get. And crazily enough, and I know people are going to comment about this and say that I was abused, and maybe it's categorized as that way, but the guidance counselor at Bucks mom was in college, and I was, you know, like, 14. How old would you be in ninth grade? Like 15 or 16?
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Sean Ryan
Ninth grade?
- [128:58]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [128:58]
Sean Ryan
I think you'd be. Yeah. 14, 15?
- [129:01]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So she knew. She was my guidance counselor. She knew how old I was because she was my guidance counselor, and she had the nerve to come to my house one day. Her and I were texting, talking to each other at that time inappropriately, and she had the nerve to show up at my house, meet my mother, and go up into my bedroom. And my mom didn't know who she was, so that's why there wasn't a fight about this. But the guidance counselor that worked at the college, like, so she. I guess she was a college student as well as working at Bucksmont. Technically, I would just say, you know, what she did was illegal. I don't recall being traumatized from it. If I was a girl saying the same thing, I don't think I would agree with anything I'm saying. If a guy like. I know that. It doesn't sound right. It doesn't feel.
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Sean Ryan
Hold on. What is she saying?
- [129:48]
Ryan Montgomery
What do you mean?
- [129:50]
Sean Ryan
What is she saying to you?
- [129:51]
Ryan Montgomery
Who, the guidance counselor? Yeah, I mean, she came to my house, in my room, so, like, you know, she was. She. The whole thing.
- [130:02]
Sean Ryan
So she wants to have sex with you?
- [130:04]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, like. Yeah. I mean, we. We talked inappropriately. Yeah, yeah. If they. So if you want to say, did.
- [130:11]
Sean Ryan
It go into more Than talking.
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Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I. I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but it's. There's another situation that was inappropriate as well, with a psychiatrist, ironically. What the.
- [130:23]
Sean Ryan
With you?
- [130:24]
Ryan Montgomery
With me? Yeah. But it was. It was.
- [130:26]
Sean Ryan
Hold on. How old are you?
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Ryan Montgomery
You're in the ninth grade.
- [130:29]
Sean Ryan
You're in ninth grade?
- [130:30]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
And you have a. You have a guidance counselor wanting to have sex with you, and apparently you guys did some. Maybe you acted on it.
- [130:41]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, there was. Maybe something happened, but either way, with bare minimum, like, a. Like a little relationship we had for a short period of time.
- [130:48]
Sean Ryan
How did she show up at your house?
- [130:50]
Ryan Montgomery
He drove.
- [130:52]
Sean Ryan
To do what? Were you there?
- [130:53]
Ryan Montgomery
I was home. Yeah. Yeah. Like, she came up into my bedroom, and we. I remember. I. I have a vivid memory.
- [130:59]
Sean Ryan
So she shows up to your house as a friend. Is a friend. And your mom thinks that maybe this is another ninth grader or somebody.
- [131:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Like, without going into details of who she is. She looked younger. She was in college.
- [131:13]
Sean Ryan
Holy shit, dude.
- [131:14]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So, technically, legally, what she did was very wrong. I don't feel traumatized from it, nor do I agree with what she did. So don't get me wrong when I say that. But I don't feel like, you know, it's just. Everybody has their own thing. Right. What I do feel a little bit upset about that I thought about later in life that contributed to my addiction problems is because my mom was so against me on being on medications even before I did drugs. She told the school with the iep, the individual education. Individual education plan. She was so adamant that I would be on no medications. She didn't want me on meds. And I understand that, like, meds usually are a bad move for a kid. And the school eventually says he either needs to be on meds or we're putting him somewhere else. So my mom sends me to this psychiatrist who is a doctor, and she at first gives me some antidepressants and, you know, nothing too crazy. And I have a bad reaction to one called Pristique. It's also known as Effexor. It's a antidepressant ssri. I had a bad reaction. Made me feel really weird. Maybe not feel good at all. Like, mentally. I stopped taking that med in between. Then, if you remember the chat application, Skype. She reached out to me on Skype and told me that her husband, she believes is cheating on her, and he is gone. He goes to Philadelphia all the time and goes to clubs, and would I mind checking out his computer to see if they were cheating if he was cheating on her. And I'm a little boy at this point, and I agreed to it because it was like, okay, she's asking me for something. This is weird. But she's my psychiatrist, you know, whatever. So I agree to do that. I go through the computer, and now I start to realize, like, I know more about this woman. Like, I got her logins for things. I got, like, I got all kinds of things that I shouldn't have. And I'm addicted to drugs, and I can get this psychiatrist to give me whatever I want. So I kind of abused the situation because she went too far. She shouldn't have made anything personal about that relationship. And there's more to it than that. But I'm going to keep that personal relationship at where it is. But she ends up prescribing me to. This is the. What? I'll tell you exactly what I was prescribed to as a little boy. 3, 2 milligrams Xanax a day. So 6 milligrams Xanax. I was prescribed to one 30 milligram Adderall, 10 milligrams of Ritalin, and 70 milligrams of Vyvans every single day.
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Sean Ryan
What's Vyvan?
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Ryan Montgomery
Vyvanse is a. Is a. Is the same amphetamine. It's called list dextroamphetamine. And when you take it, the proteins in your liver convert it to dextroamphetamine. So it's just essentially another stimulant. And I was prescribed three different stimulants at the same time with Xanax while I'm doing heroin. And the psychiatrist knows it. She knows I'm on probation. She knows that I'm a heroin addict. She knows that I have leverage on her because of what she asked me to do and some other inappropriate things that she did.
- [134:15]
Sean Ryan
What are the other inappropriate things?
- [134:17]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't want to talk about it on here. Why not? Because I don't want. I don't. It's over, you know? All right, It's. I'll tell you off camera. It's. It's nothing that I'm traumatized by.
- [134:26]
Sean Ryan
Are they sexual?
- [134:28]
Ryan Montgomery
It's nothing I'm traumatized by. And it's. It's stuff that.
- [134:33]
Sean Ryan
Right. The reason I'm asking is. I mean, what you're doing right now is going after sexual predators.
- [134:39]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
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Sean Ryan
And then you just told me you had an encounter with one. Whether you're traumatized by it or not, it's still wrong. It's still wrong. I mean, she went into your home with your mom there, with your mother there and posed as a fucking friend instead of a guidance counselor.
- [134:55]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
- [134:55]
Sean Ryan
I mean, this shit's happening all over the. All over the world.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I know. And then again, I minimize it. I get it. I understand.
- [135:02]
Sean Ryan
I'm minimizing it for myself, a psychiatrist. And so what you say you're not traumatized by. I'm assuming it's another sexual encounter. But these are. These are professionals, and I think it's important to highlight that because that's what we want to do here. Right? This interview is to bring out how real this shit is, who's doing it. You know? And the point that I'm making here is it's not somebody from the hood. It's not. Or maybe it is. Maybe it is somebody from the hood. Maybe it's somebody from the trailer park. But it's also teachers, doctors, psychiatrists, guidance counselors, rabbis, as you just saw, rabbis, priests.
- [135:46]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, state troopers.
- [135:48]
Sean Ryan
State troopers. I mean, it's. It is everywhere. It's everywhere. You cannot, like. You cannot profile. It's everywhere. Every. It's. It's the rich, it's the poor. It's every race. Male, female, male, female. It is everywhere.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So I just want to clarify, because if somebody else was telling this story, I would be going after them, but I. For whatever reason, internally, I don't care for myself, which I don't know how to answer why, but there is no situation where I think that's okay for anyone else, if that makes sense. Yeah, I know. It doesn't. It doesn't make a ton of sense, probably to you, because you're hearing from the guy.
- [136:40]
Sean Ryan
I understand it. Because you don't feel traumatized by it, which means you are. You are. You know, you. You're dubbing it down.
- [136:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. I mean, maybe I don't feel effects for.
- [136:54]
Sean Ryan
You weren't. You know, you don't think that they were traumatic?
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, well, they didn't take away my trust in women. They didn't take away, like. I don't know. It's just. It's not the average situation for me. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it. I don't. I. Obviously, I'm highly against it. That's what I focus half my life on. So I know it's a. It's. It's backwards and almost hypocrite.
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Sean Ryan
Let me ask you this.
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Ryan Montgomery
I don't want to lie to you and say I'm traumatized, but I don't feel traumatized.
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Sean Ryan
Without going into detail, if, and if. You don't have to answer this, but I mean, did you enjoy it or. Yeah, you did enjoy.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
- [137:28]
Sean Ryan
You didn't feel violated?
- [137:31]
Ryan Montgomery
No, no, no. I remember clear as day at 32 years old, wanting to.
- [137:36]
Sean Ryan
How did those relationships end then?
- [137:39]
Ryan Montgomery
Just I guess stop talking. Me getting locked up. I mean, I was locked up so many times as a kid.
- [137:45]
Sean Ryan
Like you ended in.
- [137:46]
Ryan Montgomery
I'm sure it just ended because I don't remember having to be like, we're over, you know.
- [137:51]
Sean Ryan
How old is the psychiatrist?
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Ryan Montgomery
The psychiatrist was substantially older than the 40s, 50s, 40s at the time. So, yeah, substantially older, but the, the guidance counselor was a college student, so not that much older than me, but still an adult.
- [138:08]
Sean Ryan
I mean, you know, and then, and then on top of that, like, what kind of up women are these? You know, you got one that's a guidance counselor and another one that's a psychiatrist. And hear me out. You know what I mean? Not only are they. Not, not only are they targeting a, what, a 14 year old? 15 year old? Yeah, they're targeting a 14 or 15 year old that is fucked up on opiates.
- [138:33]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And with mental health disorders, antidepressants.
- [138:38]
Sean Ryan
It's like you were targeted because of the situation that you're in.
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Ryan Montgomery
Well, that's from an outsider looking in. I don't feel that way, you know, so, like, I get what you're saying and I would feel the same way that you're feeling. I just don't feel that way. So that's why it's hard for me to comprehend. And I don't call it trauma for myself. Even though everyone I've talked to has reacted in the same way that you do. I just can't lie and say, like, yeah, I'm a victim.
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Sean Ryan
I'm not. That's not where I'm going. Where I'm going is I'm just, just, you know, I'm shining the light on it. I'm saying, you know, this is.
- [139:11]
Ryan Montgomery
I know it's wrong.
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Sean Ryan
Prevalent.
- [139:12]
Ryan Montgomery
And the reason I'm bringing it up is fluent circles. I know it's wrong. That's why I'm bringing it up. Yeah, and. And I, I didn't bring it up ever before publicly, ever, because I, I didn't want this. I know it's an awkward thing, but, you know, it, it's over with. It caused the, the, you know, whatever. If, if it ca. The only damage that it did cause me was being hooked on all that Xanax and the amphetamines it's more in your head. The physical addiction isn't really there with amphetamines. It's more of like a. Like you want it. And it's hard to function without them. The benzos, on the other hand, taking 6 milligrams of Xanax, it's really, really hard to stop. So for her to give me the max dose that I feel like you could have given a kid at that time, that was a very bad move. And then she even got it. When I went to the detention center, she was making sure I was prescribed to it in the Lyman Detention center, which is. It was in Delaware county where I grew up. She made sure that I was on all those meds in a jail cell. So, like, I was consistently messed up. And then eventually I was in Lima Detention center and a guy named Dale, he was one of the guards there who I still talk to current day. Dale realizes I'm sleeping every day, all day long, and he's worried about me. He goes to the nurse's station. They pull me off the meds. But since I was one of, if not the only kid ever to be prescribed to these medications in the detention center, they don't know how to detox me properly. So they got me on suboxones to get off of the, the opiates. They got me on the, the Xanax and all of the stimulants. They cut me off all the stimulants, and they just. Half the Xanax immediately, day one, and then no Suboxones. So I'm going through opioid withdrawal and I'm going through benzo withdrawal all at the same time. In a jail cell by myself on a cement bed with no tv, no extra food, nothing that's comfortable, but some, you know, the flame resistant blankets that are wool that like, you know, make your skin itchy, like I had. It was, you know, one of the worst places you could detox ever. And I went through that many times in the detention center with heroin alone. But then mixing with the medications made it way worse. But every single time that I would get out, I would go right back onto the drugs, promising myself, myself and my mom that I was done. So, like, it, like, like I was saying earlier, addiction is really hard. It's just, it takes grips that you don't. You can't even imagine. And I. And if anyone's listening to this episode that has never done drugs, like, nobody woke up saying, I'm gonna put a needle on my arm. Nobody woke up one day Saying I'm gonna be an alcoholic. Nobody ever thought that that was gonna happen to them, but it, in certain cases it does. So just don't even take the chance. And for me, I never would have guessed with all of the people that I had as examples to not be like that I was going to be just as addicted as they were. So skipping a bunch of stuff because I know I'm going on for a while now about the childhood stuff. I get sent to a facility called Devereaux, which this is another mind blower, man. So I'm in Devereaux, and Devereaux is a residential facility for, for kids that got in trouble. And it's a long term residential. And I end up there for more drug charges. And I'm in class because you still have to go to school when you're in these places. So this was actually before, before ninth grade. So I guess eighth grade, around then. Eighth, ninth grade, Somewhere around that time. I can get the exact date when I read this thing to you. But I'm in the classroom and I remember I'm drawing a picture of the Monopoly guy, like the, like, you know, with the, with the little magnifying glass thing. So I have a piece of paper on top of the Monopoly board. I'm drawing him and there's like, they're the chairs that you sit in, but then there's like a table that goes out in front and then there's metal that's holding like the table up. I'm drawing the thing and I hear this kid behind me talking about that he has a gun. And I'm hearing like little pieces of it, but I hear that he has a gun. And I know that he just got back from a home pass, which means like, like he got the agreement, he'd go home for the weekend and then he'd go back to the facility. Like some of these kids are there for years at a time, so getting a home pass is a big deal. This kid somehow got a gun. At least at this time. I'm hearing the gun thing. And I don't know if I'm about to get the back of my head blown off. Cause I'm hearing about a gun behind me. And out of nowhere I hear metal, but this is plastic, but I hear metal on the table, like, like that. And it was like, almost like the kid pulled the gun out of the, out of the bag and it hit the table is what it sounded like. So I turned around, like quickly thinking, like, I'm about to die. You know, I see this gun and obviously grab, grab everything that I possibly could. He had a backpack that he had the gun in. I'm running down the hallway, I run into the front desk. There's a gun, there's a gun. And I'm screaming and like, because I, you know, I'm in the school technically with a gun, the cops come. I'm being held obviously in a room by myself at this time. And the cops come, they arrest this kid, they, they send me home that like within 24 hours. They sent me home because they didn't want other kids to retaliate because they didn't know what really was going on. So let me read to you actually the letter from the assistant district attorney at that time. Hold on one second. Because there's more, there's more to the story that's unbelievable on how unfairly things were, just how I was treated and even my, like I would count my mom in there too because she tried so hard and they just kept hammering, throwing the book at me for self harm, as you said. Oh, here it is. So February 25, 2011. So actually I would have been, I think 17 there. So it would have been a little bit later, right before I got in trouble for the last time. In the interest of Ryan Montgomery, Dear Katie, who was my probation officer at the time, as a juvenile, I'm writing to advise you in the court that the above juvenile, Ryan Matthew Montgomery, did assist the Commonwealth in the successful prosecution of two other juveniles for the possession of a loaded functional.45 caliber handgun in the Devereaux facility where Ryan has been placed. On Friday morning, February 4, 2011, Ryan discovered that a juvenile was in possession of a firearm at the Devereaux facility and he promptly notified the facility staff who recovered the weapon. Prior to Ryan notifying the staff. Other place juveniles had been aware of the presence of the firearm in the facility, but took no action to alert staff. Ryan's testimony, if it had been needed, would have been vital to the Commonwealth case. Ryan's actions are also commendable and that he acted where others failed to do so and may have prevented a very serious incident at Devereaux. Ryan recognized the serious of the seriousness of the situation and disregarded any possible retaliation by others for alerting staff. It's a pleasure to write this letter for Ryan. Respect. Respectfully, Edward J. Gowen, Assisted District Attorney Juvenile Unit and I'll show you the letter so you can see. It's nice, a nice letter like on a nice letterhead. It was obviously very nice of him to write that for me. So I'm home because they're scared that someone's going to retaliate, and they send me back to court, you know, because they got to figure out what to do with me, right? So I'm sitting at home for three or four days. I go back to court, and I go into Master Kern. Was his name. Was the. Was the guy. I give him that letter. My mom wrote a letter. He knows that I just stopped, like. Like the kid's plan was, by the way, to shoot up the whole classroom and steal the teacher's. To steal the teacher's car and take a couple kids with him. That was his plan. I stopped that plan. There was only one way out of that classroom. So I genuinely believe that I would have died that day if I didn't ask.
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Sean Ryan
Holy shit.
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Ryan Montgomery
And a lot of other kids would have been dead, too. So I'm home for a couple days, obviously, for him to go out of his way to write this letter for me, and all these people are commending me for the. Which was, I think, a good thing for me to do at a young age. Master Kern, where do you think he sent me? You think he sent me back home? No, he sent me back to the juvenile detention center. The worst place he could have sent me back into a jail cell, back off of all my medications, to sit there for three months, which is the max. You can sit there until they place you. Till they send me to another rehab, which wasn't a residential, thankfully, but another rehab where you usually stay about 28 days. As a juvenile, I was there 38 days. I get out of there, relapse the first night, end up getting put back on parole. It just. It was a disaster, man. And then eventually it ends up with a guy named Matt Pifer, who. A good friend of mine, Jim. He's an old man. He went to Vietnam. He's been in and out of jail a long time, been off drugs a long time. He had the same parole officer as me, and he told. He said he was going to kill Matt Pifer. He ends up getting locked up for saying he's going to kill Matt Peifer, like a long time ago. He didn't really mean it. He said it at the VA to his doctor, and the guy was very hard on me. I remember one day. This is the last thing I'll talk about legally, but. But he told me that I didn't have a real job, and I knew that the affiliate marketing. I was making more money than him. That's the truth. And he Told me I didn't have a real job and I needed to go to an office. So I found a place called answering service for directors. So it was like for funeral directors. And I start working there. I got referred there by somebody else who was a previous heroin addiction. That dude starts doing heroin in the bathroom at work. I get fired for not advancing fast enough on their computer systems. That was the reason they fired me. So that part was funny. But I wasn't doing drugs. I really wasn't at that time. And I remember being in the parking lot and him telling me that if I didn't have a job that he was going to violate me, which I didn't realize he couldn't do at that time. Or I guess he could have have done figured something out. But whatever. I was on the phone, my mom crying my eyes out, thinking like, I am so screwed. And, and he, he was just so mean to me, man. He treated me so badly. And then when I failed a drug test for him, the last time I ever got ever, like at 17 years old, I failed a drug test for him. They put me in a really bad spot. This is what happened. I. I had a choice between doing house arrest for six months and going home that day while withdrawing. I had to make this choice. Or doing two years in a George Jr. A juvenile boot camp. I chose to go home on house arrest and, you know, go with adult parole and, and I failed two drug tests in two weeks because obviously I was withdrawing as a kid in a juvenile detention center. This dude, Matt Piper violates me, re sentences me for the possession with intended deliver of heroin. Even though I wasn't selling heroin. I just had it in individual bags. That's how heroin comes. I can prove that too. Like literally. That's not just me saying that to make myself look good. I never was selling heroin. I just had. And I was with people that we just picked up heroin. He, he violates me on that and re sentences me for a failed drug test. Not because I got caught selling heroin or had more heroin on me because I peed in a cup. And the sentence on that looks at two to four years. So I'm sitting in the George, George Jr. I'm sorry, not George George W. Hill Correctional Facility. I'm sitting there six plus months waiting on a Gagnon 2 hearing, which you're supposed to get in the first two weeks. That's part of parole, whatever. And he eventually sentenced me two to four years. And I got out with good time, if you count the juvenile and the adult stuff together. It's 20 months, and I finally get out of there. I had a couple of years left of parole left to go. And the second that I got off is when I left for Florida. So, like, that was the end. My addiction, the reason why I stopped wasn't rehab. It wasn't because somebody said something to me that changed something. Wasn't. Cause I looked at my family and was scared that I was gonna die. It was because I spent enough time away from it. And in the worst possible scenario you can imagine, I just didn't ever want to get high again. It was over. The thought was out of my brain. Wow. And I just left Pennsylvania and never looked back. Back. So that's. That's the actual story that I've never talked about before. And damn, Ryan, there's more to it, but I just, you know, I'm on a little bit of a rampage with what I'm saying.
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Sean Ryan
So what more are there?
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Ryan Montgomery
Just all the different times I've been in trouble for stupid stuff, but it just. It was countless times as a kid. Never as an adult once, but as a kid, countless.
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Sean Ryan
I mean, how do you maintain the relationship with your mom? I mean, you guys are really tight. We talk a lot about her.
- [152:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Love my mom to death. And my mom was there for me throughout all of this. Like, my mom got sick.
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Sean Ryan
Never gave up on you?
- [152:12]
Ryan Montgomery
She never gave up on me. Even when she got diagnosed with her first round of cancer. Like, she's like, I don't want to get too much into it. It's gonna upset me. But she's still sick and still going through stuff. But when she got breast cancer for the first time, she got chemo, radiation, and I was still using, I was still getting in trouble. Like, I tried my best to leave her out of it. I really did. But, like. Like, she's the only one really there for me at that time. And other than my grandparents, which I didn't live with them because I had a stepdad at the time, which, like I said, my grandpa was like a dad to me, but he wasn't.
- [152:41]
Sean Ryan
I just want to. Like, your mom is going through cancer treatment, battling cancer, and her son. You are still jamming needles on your arm.
- [152:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [152:52]
Sean Ryan
I mean, that's all. That's a lot for a woman to go through, man.
- [152:56]
Ryan Montgomery
I know. And I feel horrible. I feel. I mean, if I could take that back, I would do anything to take that back. I can't change it. All I can do is be a better son. And I think I'm doing A great job of that, like, anything she needs. Now, if my mom wants to go to Bermuda and she wants to be floating around, you know, in a hot tub, in a hot dog outfit, I'll make it happen tomorrow for her. So I think that, you know, maybe it doesn't make up for the things I've done to her, but anything she wants, anything she needs, anything that she's uncomfortable with, I will make sure that my mom is number one priority because she made me her number one priority when she didn't have it in her. My mom was a bartender for most of my life. Like, she worked just so that she could get food on the table for me. And she didn't have, like, you know, that's late nights and sometimes working days just because she couldn't do it and whatever, you know? But she just did a lot for me, and I owe her the world. And where money really wasn't a thing for my family, she made up for it in every other way you possibly could, so. I love my mom to death.
- [154:03]
Sean Ryan
Damn, man. I'm just curious. When you did get clean, when you cleaned it up, did you know you were clean for good?
- [154:11]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
- [154:12]
Sean Ryan
You did?
- [154:12]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would never getting myself put back in a facility like that again, Never putting myself in that situation, never hanging out with the same group of people again. I was so done. I just wanted parole to be over with because I couldn't leave the state. So the second that I was able to leave the state, I was out. And that was it. That was the end of it.
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Sean Ryan
How did your mom take it?
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Ryan Montgomery
My mom was very. All of them. My grandpa.
- [154:36]
Sean Ryan
When you were clean for the final time, I mean, how long do you think it took your mom to realize he's good?
- [154:41]
Ryan Montgomery
She still texts me, hey, Ry, are you okay? Every single day, she shares my health app with me. Current day, she sees my heart rate, my resting heart rate, my steps, my respiratory rate, my wrist temperature. You name it, my mom's got it. So I don't think that fear will ever leave her, sadly. But she checks it. The second she wakes up, she makes sure that I got up with the health app on the phone, and if I don't answer her text, then she'll call me. If I don't answer, and this has only happened one time, but if I don't answer her calls, she'll start calling my friends because she knows I live alone, you know, and she lives in Pennsylvania. I live at the bottom of the country. Like, what if I'm in my house Dead. Like, I know it's an extreme, but she doesn't know, so she'll call my friends to make sure I'm all right. And I call her. I can't call her in the middle of the day, but I text her back. And at nighttime before I go to bed every night, I call her and say goodnight. And I've done that every night since I've left for the last 10 years. Wow. Yeah. And I've been clean if you count the years over 14 years. So long time.
- [155:43]
Sean Ryan
Congratulations, man.
- [155:44]
Ryan Montgomery
Thanks. Well, yeah, I got clean at 17 and I'm 32 now, so it's whatever you. Whatever that exact time frame would be February. I got arrested again after that. So if you count whatever that date is in 2011 to now.
- [156:00]
Sean Ryan
I thought we were gonna get arrested. Last time I was in Florida riding around in that Lamborghini of yours.
- [156:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh my gosh, dude, you were gunning it. You were gunning it. We put that thing in sport mode and he was just gunning it back to the police. Yeah, right past the police. Right past the police. And Sean was not like it wasn't like he just gunned it. Once we were on Ocean Ave, right by the water in a Lamborghini orange Lamborghini Aventador, and he just gunned it. Stopped gunned it. Stopped gunned it. Like he was. It was like a kid on a roller coaster. He loved it. It was fun.
- [156:33]
Sean Ryan
It was a good time.
- [156:34]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay, so before we go on the break, I just want to share something with you. So after all of that stuff, me getting in trouble a million times as a kid, my family having a bad reputation with the last name in the area, Montgomery just having a bad name in Delaware County. Me getting in trouble all, like I said, all drug related and petty crimes, but bad reputation with the cops, with. With everybody. I end up hanging out with this kid Vinnie, who brings me to a place called Lanai Fire Station, which was a very small firehouse down the street from a big mall that I used to hang out at. And there was a guy named Ken Collins, who was the chief of Lanai at that time. And he was also a police officer. He didn't know me, never heard of me, never knew anything about me. I go over to Lanai with my friend Vinnie and I sit down in the office with. I sit down in the office with Ken Collins and he's willing to give me a chance to be a firefighter at Lanai Firehouse while I'm on parole, while I have this record as a Kid, while he doesn't know if I'm going to rob the firehouse for all the stuff to support my addiction, like, he doesn't know anything about me. He just is willing to take a chance on me. And no one else at this firehouse has any issues like I do. This guy just must have saw something in me that I didn't and nobody else must have at the time. And I proved him right. So I became a firefighter at Lenny, but I didn't have what's called Fire one or Hazmat, so I couldn't go into any of the burning buildings. I could just go on calls, and I could stand and watch and help with the tools, but that's as much as I could do. Then Leni merges with this other firehouse called Lima, Lima Firehouse, which was down the street from the detention center across the street from the mall. And it turned into Leni, merged with Lima and became Rocky Run Firehouse. At that time, Ken got. He got the. The county. The same county that put in my family through hell. They got. They. They paid for me to go to fire school. They paid for me to go through fire school. I didn't let him down. I showed up every single day, showed up on time. I passed the first time around. I went through the physical exam, I went through the written exam. I ended up my Fire one in my hazmat. I became an actual firefighter for two years. And. And. And this man, like, he didn't have to do any of that for me. I called him later in life and was like, listen, man, like, I am so grateful for you, man. Like, you. You showed me that there are good people out there, you know, like people that care and. Yeah, that's it. That's it. We can go on the break.
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Sean Ryan
That's pretty cool, man. But I do have another question.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [159:06]
Sean Ryan
When you were getting clean, what was. What was the thing? I mean, it sounds like you had been in rehabs for a very long time.
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Ryan Montgomery
So many.
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Sean Ryan
11 to 17, right?
- [159:18]
Ryan Montgomery
So many. Yeah. In such a short period of time.
- [159:21]
Sean Ryan
What was the. I mean, a lot of people are struggling with addiction right now.
- [159:25]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
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Sean Ryan
Millions of people.
- [159:27]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep.
- [159:29]
Sean Ryan
What was it for you? That was the. I forgot to clean it up. This was the last straw. This is rock bottom. It was.
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Ryan Montgomery
It just be seen being stuck in a cell for all that time, you know, for. For. If you count the juvenile time plus the adult time, 20 months. Being locked away and not being around these addicts, like around any people, places and things is what they Call it being around, not being around any of those places, people or things. I think my brain naturally healed itself and realized, like, maybe you aren't a drug addict for life. Maybe you just are physically dependent on so many things that you feel like you are. And that was the truth, because I don't care about drugs anymore. I could watch someone shoot up in front of me, and I'm not going to think about using heroin. Not because I feel like it's more dangerous than it used to be. I just don't. I have no desire. It's gone. So I guess I just needed the time away. And as much as Matt Pifer, that parole officer that you know, I don't know because he hasn't answered my calls. I tried to connect with him as well. He won't answer me, even though I left the messages. I would love to know if his intentions were good or bad or he just didn't care. I'd love to know. But he's never actually answered me. He inadvertently saved my life. Whether he did it on purpose or not. I don't think I'd be here talking to you right now if I didn't get locked up for that last time. So, yeah, that's what got me clean. It isn't like an epiphany moment that happened that changed the way that I felt about drugs. It just was the time away from it.
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Sean Ryan
Do you think there are people that are under the spell of addiction right now that don't see a way out?
- [161:07]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes. Oh, yeah.
- [161:08]
Sean Ryan
What would your advice be for them?
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Ryan Montgomery
They need to hospitalize themselves and they need to be medicated and put. I mean, especially the tranquilizer addicts right now and the alcoholics. And they will knock you out so you don't seize, you know, easy, so you don't go into seizures and all of the above. Just get yourself into a hospital or a detox asap, and you're going to go through a very comfortable detox and then see how you feel after your body's cleaned up. And then decide whether you want to go to rehab afterwards. But you know you're never going. Nothing's going to change if you don't change anything. And if you don't want to change, you don't. Like, you may not realize you want to change because you don't remember what it's like to feel good anymore. You just don't remember. So like I said earlier, just try it. What's the worst thing you take? 5 to 7 days goes by and you say, screw It. I want to go back to this lifestyle. It can't hurt. Just try. Just try. There's people that care about you. Like, you might be somebody's brother or mother, brother, sister, family. And you could be like, people care about you. I don't care who you are. Somebody out there cares about you and they don't want to see you destroy your life. And the least you can do for them is try to clean yourself up. And I know that I'm hypocritical because I could have done the same thing as a kid, and I really believe that I was doing that. Every time I did get help, I believed I was going to stop and I couldn't. But, you know, hindsight's 2020 and yeah, just get help is really the best I could say. Even if you don't feel like you want it, just try it.
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Sean Ryan
Well, thank you for sharing that. You went down. You did seven. Oh, right.
- [162:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [162:47]
Sean Ryan
This last night.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So not. Not seven. Oh, directly. It's just. It's an alkaloid in the Kratom or Kratom plant. So it's just. It's 7 hydroxy and metrogynine or. I was pronounced in many ways, but that's the way I pronounce it. And it's, you know, with opioids I was able to take, it was like way back before, it was like gas station heroin. Because there's different types. There's the type that is not banned because it's not like it hasn't really killed anyone by itself. There's been deaths with it in their system with other drugs, but I don't recall any deaths that were strictly related to Kratom or Kratom itself. I took it to help withdraw from opiates when I wasn't in facilities. And it was very, very helpful for me as well. I mean, it, you know, because it gets rid of withdrawal symptoms. Yeah. I just.
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Sean Ryan
I just did an episode on this with. With a investigative journalist out of Maine and Steve Robinson.
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Ryan Montgomery
Okay, I'll check it out.
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Sean Ryan
And he was talking about how. He was talking about how bad it is. How many people are getting addicted to this and don't realize how addictive it is because it's over the counter. And so I was just curious what your experience was with that.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a. It's. I've never done seven. Oh. I've never done any. Like, the extracts, you would get it at a gas station, but I've, like, drink it. Like, I've made Kratom Tea. And I've tried that, you know, like, I've tried, like, the natural ways of it. And it's been very helpful for me when I was in that state.
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Sean Ryan
Gotcha. Gotcha.
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Ryan Montgomery
I'm not saying it's a good idea because it's. It's an. Even though it is natural, I don't think you can overdose on it. It's not a. Like it is physically addictive. It is. That's true, but it's like a very minor physical withdrawal, to my knowledge. I wouldn't recommend it for an opioid addict because it's gonna not satisfy your needs. Like, you're gonna expect it to do more, and it's not gonna do what you're expecting. And it's. It's. You're gonna end up just relapsing. So I wouldn't recommend it.
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Sean Ryan
Gotcha. Gotcha.
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Ryan Montgomery
That's the truth.
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Sean Ryan
And then, last question before we go on a break. You know, your mom sounds like she's the only person in your life that just never gave up on you.
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Ryan Montgomery
My mom and my grandparents, they. They like my grandparents, my grandpa, you know, like, my grandpa fathered me. My grandmom was like a second mother to me. And then there was a period of time where I had a stepdad and my mom had a house with him where I seen them, but I didn't see them every day like I did for two different portions of my childhood. So I would say my mom, my grandma, my grandpop. Were the keystones, the key, if you combine them together, the keystone of the only safety net I had to fall into and current day. Like, they are my mental safety net. And I love them to death, all of them. And my grandfather passed, and I told you that story already, but, you know, I had it. I got the blessing of having somebody as a great father figure, as I talked about, but my dad, you know, missing some aspects of being a father. He showed me that he loved me. But then my grandfather taught me a ton of valuable lessons in life and was there for me for all the other things. So I was blessed in many ways.
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Sean Ryan
Did your mom watch the first episode we did together?
- [166:03]
Ryan Montgomery
My mom is like my number one supporter. My mom has probably watched that episode multiple times. She's read all the comments. My mom, she. I don't do any of that. I don't read comments. I don't do any of that with any of these. These things that I do not only read my own social media comments, but my mom, she's on it. Like, I could Ask my mom what happened in the 45th minute of the first Shawn Ryan show. And she'd be like, well, you were. You were leaning to your right side, and Sean was asking you about. She'll know.
- [166:34]
Sean Ryan
So let me ask you this. What's one thing you've always wanted to tell your mom that you haven't told her? And you know she'll be watching this.
- [166:45]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, I know she'll be watching. I mean, I guess I don't have a fancy one, but the first thing that comes to mind is, like, I've said to her a million times that I'm sorry. I am very sorry. But I know that she's proud of me now. And I hope that she is proud of herself because she did all of that on her own, like, as a single mother. Yeah, I had my grandparents, and they were very helpful. But my mom got pregnant just turning 18 years old, you know, and to have the terror that I was, you know, it was not easy for her. And I know that my story is far from over as well, but it is night and day from what it was before. And without her, I'm nothing. So love my mom. I love your mom very much.
- [167:35]
Sean Ryan
I'm sure she is very proud of you, man.
- [167:39]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep. She is. She is. Show is getting me all emotional. We need to take a break. We gotta take a break. I don't know how you do this to me, Sean.
- [167:46]
Sean Ryan
Let's go blow some shit up.
- [167:48]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, that'll help.
- [167:52]
Sean Ryan
Shopping is hard, right?
- [167:54]
Ryan Montgomery
But I found a better way. Stitch fix online.
- [167:56]
Sean Ryan
Personal styling makes it easy. I just give my stylist my size, style, and budget preferences. I order boxes when I want and how I want.
- [168:04]
Ryan Montgomery
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- [168:18]
Sean Ryan
That's stitchfix.com Spotify. All right, Ryan, back from the break. Dude, your shooting has improved tremendously. Nice shooting out there.
- [168:41]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you. Your shooting was great, too. And I don't know if we should address the elephant in the room.
- [168:47]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, we got some new battle scars out there on the static range.
- [168:52]
Ryan Montgomery
So we. For the people that can't, or it's gonna be for Patreon. Right? Right.
- [168:56]
Sean Ryan
I think we'll probably release this one to the man masses. But, yeah, we do this with almost every guest. But I've only. I've only dug out the golden.50 caliber Desert Eagle special for you, Ryan.
- [169:09]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you. We both get hit with it.
- [169:12]
Sean Ryan
Yeah. So apparently the grass, the brass kicks straight up and smashed us both in the forehead.
- [169:17]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep. I got a lump. I feel the lump. But Sean got burnt and he got hit with it, so he's got a combo deal. Mine. I feel it, but I don't know if you can see it on the camera.
- [169:26]
Sean Ryan
Oh, yeah, I can see it clear as day, buddy.
- [169:30]
Ryan Montgomery
That thing, you know, it's got. It's got some kick to it. I've never shot a.50 caliber handgun, so that's a little wild to me.
- [169:38]
Sean Ryan
Now you have.
- [169:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Now I have. Thank you.
- [169:39]
Sean Ryan
And a.44 and a.357.
- [169:42]
Ryan Montgomery
A lot of things.
- [169:43]
Sean Ryan
Amen.
- [169:44]
Ryan Montgomery
A lot of things. But you were impressive out there. You. I can't believe you hit all of them targets with. With no butt stock, with no sight. And wow, you beat me by a couple points. But, like, I had. I had sights and a butt stock.
- [169:58]
Sean Ryan
You know, it's not that impressive, Ryan. It would be really impressive. It would be unimpressive if it was. I spent a long time, a large portion of my life shooting guns and doing tactics, and it would be like, you know, it'd be like. It will be like if I beat you in a hacking competition, it just. It's not gonna happen. But. But you. You fucking crushed it out there. But, hey, let's get into. Let's get into some. Some more stuff about what happened after our. Our initial interview and, and talk a little bit more about Pentester and everything you guys are doing, wiping people's data from the Internet.
- [170:36]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay.
- [170:37]
Sean Ryan
And all that kind of stuff. And then. And then we'll move into, you know, what you've been doing with the Sentinel foundation and the 764 stuff and roadblocks.
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Ryan Montgomery
Roblox. Yeah.
- [170:48]
Sean Ryan
Is it RO R O or R O A D?
- [170:51]
Ryan Montgomery
It's Roblox. R O.
- [170:53]
Sean Ryan
Okay.
- [170:53]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people think it's Roadblocks, but it is Roblox and it's not just Roblox, but we're like, I'm gonna focus on that for now and I'll blanket it because it's all of these games, all of these platforms. So starting I wanted to, you know, if you remember last time we talked about Pentester and the reason why Pentester came up for me at that time, like, I can tell you, man to man, like, there wasn't a conversation with the business partners before I came, like, this is how you're going to say things on the show so that we can get it wasn't that. And honestly, Pentester was only built for businesses back when I came on your show. So. So when at that time it was $49 a month, no matter who you signed up. And you had to either put a website or an email in, it would do a scan, it would tell you if there's any low hanging fruit vulnerabilities on your site or some data that was breached about you. And I showed you the reverse facial recognition technology at that time. We looked up Vigilance Elite's website. We found some identifiable information from it. And back then our database was like 130 billion records, which was still the biggest at that time. And now it's been three years and we're like 240 billion plus records, which we've gotten way larger when it comes to the data that we have access to. Our reverse facial recognition has tripled in size. So I mean, I could show another example with somebody else here because obviously there's so many photos of you online. It's not that impressive to, to, you know, to show it. But like, we could grab the anybody you want here and we'll find them. And I just want to show that. And I want to show the new, the new feature that we learned with Pentester over time because we had a ton of people sign up. And then we had this one specific breach that happened which. Are you familiar with national public data, what happened there? No. Okay. So this is very important and a lot of people are not familiar with it, which is a problem. So the national public data breach happened a little over a year ago. And what happened was There is about 300 million Americans in this country. That database had 2.8 billion records in it that included full names, date of births, phone numbers, every address you've ever lived at, and your entire Social Security number. So it was leaked onto the Internet for anyone to download this. And we created a tool. We were actually in Vegas and we were talking about it, and we're in Vegas and we're like, we want to build a tool so people can search to see if they've been impacted by this data breach, which I'll show you in a second, a demo of it. So you put in your name, your last name, your year of birth, and what state. State you know you currently live in or state you've lived in in the past. And then you press search and it would show you the data. And if you were in it, we'd recommend you know what to do about that. You know, which we Weren't, we weren't trying to sell you on pen tester. We were just trying to get you to either freeze your credit and, you know, and try to do, try to protect your identity at the best of your ability, or freeze your credit and sign up for pen tester to know about other data that might be breached. So it was kind of a dual purpose thing, but the main priority was freeze your credit. And I'll explain what that means in a second. So the national public data breach happened because of, they released a file that had credentials in it. And those credentials were easy. There was a, I think it was pass 123 was. There was their password. And the database had all of this horrible, you know, not horrible, all of this very private information in it. So like 2.8 billion records is with 300 million Americans. That means people that have passed away. That means multiple addresses for every. Like, where do you see how many addresses it has for you? And once that data is out there, it's out there. It's like you can't. You can remove data from data brokers like white pages, for example, or all of those background check websites. You can remove that because you have a legal right to request removal of that. But when it comes to dark web data or, you know, breached data, all you can do is be aware of it and take action based on your knowledge of it. So we released that tool and we weren't expecting it to be as crazy as it was. So going on your show, we had a ton of people signing up for business plans, like, as individuals, because they wanted access to the tools I was showing on the show, and they were willing to pay that $49 a month just to, just to do reverse facial recognition to search themselves in our databases. And we didn't even have any removal services at that time. So we learned from your show that we had a need for a personal use, like for consumers. So we made a $19 plan, which I said before, like, if I had this option at $49 a month, like most people spend $20 on lunch every day. So I was saying that with $49, I say that even more. So with $19 a month, not only are you getting all of the breach data out there associated with you, your phone number, your addresses, your email, literally all your identifiers, and then you can add your family member, so you could add your wife, you can add your parents, you can add your grandparents. And then even another thing that people don't know is you can add your children. They may not be in the data brokers yet, but their accounts will show up. So we have this tool where we can discover if you have accounts created places. And let's say you have a kid and you told them they're not allowed to have a Snapchat account. You put their email and phone number in there. Now we can confirm if they have a Snapchat associated with that email or phone. And there's no one else that has that integration with a data broker removal tool. So that's a really cool feature.
- [176:47]
Sean Ryan
No kidding. So parents can use pentester to see if their kids are messing around on social media behind their backs.
- [176:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, that is one use case. The other use case is for 19 bucks. You're still getting all of what you got before with all the breach data to see your passwords, your social, your credit cards, all of that stuff that's happening, happened and stuff you can take action on. But we're also removing data from data brokers on your behalf. So like, you know, it's not an instant. Immediately as you sign up, you'll see some exposed records, but over time you'll see there's pending removals and then removals that have happened. I'll show it all to you, but I highly recommend anybody signs up for it. Because you know, there's, there's a ton of data removal companies out there that do this exact thing. But what they don't do is show breached data and they don't do facial recognition, they don't do account discovery. So that's something that pentester does very well. And the reason why we do it so well is because it's built on the methodology that I used, along with some of my business partners have used to identify predators and traffickers. So using it in the opposite sense to see what digital footprint you have out there, it's the same methodology I would use to identify these people based on minimal identifiers. And I'll show you a demo of it so you understand what I mean. But what we actually learned last minute was because you got to remember the NPD breach coming out, we had all of that built. People were searching through it and we had people signing up for various ages, like 40, 50, 60, 70 year old people are signing up for pen testers that don't know how to use computers. And we realized through support, we could read the support tickets coming in and we have a support team that handles that. We're seeing a lot of people don't know how to use a website at all. So yeah, they need the service, but they don't know how to navigate. No matter how easy we make it, there's no getting them to use it. And we can do a lot of stuff on their behalf, but they got to sign in and put in their information for us to automate it it. So we decided to make pentester sms, which is essentially just pentester through text messaging.
- [179:01]
Sean Ryan
No kidding.
- [179:01]
Ryan Montgomery
So you text a phone number and that phone number you can talk to like a human. So you could text and say, hey, and it will overtake your phone number. Try to identify who you are, find your emails, find your leaked information, tell you what's out there, say, hey, do you want to start removals on this information? And you know, this is our recommendations with, with changing your passwords or deleting accounts here or all of the recommendations you would get. And then that is only $9 a month because they don't have access to all of the extra tools. If they want them, they could upgrade their account. But I'll show you the example for your phone number and it's got everything on you. I mean, it's literally got everything. So let's say you want your wife or your family, a parent that you know isn't going to sign in, they're not going to look at the dashboard, they're not going to use any tools. Tell them to text the phone number and sign them up for it and then they'll get notifications via text like, hey, a password was breached. Your password was Summer 2025, exclamation point. Make sure you're not using this anywhere. And you just get a text every once in a while from Pentester SMS that says, hey, you need to do this. Okay. And then, you know, like, let's say, let's say, I'll give you an example. Bi weekly, you get a text that says you've been removed from 47 data brokers. If you want to see the full list, click here. But at least you know something's happening at all times. You don't have to sign in, you don't got to do anything, just text the number. So for you, this is. But what I'll do is I'll screen record this and then I'll hand it to you.
- [180:36]
Sean Ryan
Here we go.
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Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, you're going to like this one. No, I'm not. No, you're not. Right, so here's, here's an example right here.
- [180:44]
Sean Ryan
Oh, boy.
- [180:45]
Ryan Montgomery
Of this is the phone number that you would text at the top. And this is the conversation that you would have, like, you're welcome to text it now, but I figure there'd be a bunch of delays and you having to respond. But this is, this is how it would start the conversation and, and then how it would end.
- [181:02]
Sean Ryan
Okay, I'm going to show, I'm going to show this.
- [181:05]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay, cool.
- [181:06]
Sean Ryan
We'll put, we'll overlay this on the screen.
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Ryan Montgomery
Awesome. That's just from your phone number. So let's say we gave it more and you were like, hey, check this email, check this one. Check my wife's. You know, you can get deeper into that conversation with the, with the chat, you know, with, with. We call it pen tester sms. But let's just say it's a chatbot that you can talk to it just like you're talking to me, and it will respond to you like a human. It has access to our tools. So you could say like, you know, what about, what about my wife's email? Or what about my wife's phone number? And then it'll start, start answering questions about that as well. So it's, it's like having a 247 breach slash data privacy support agent in your pocket at all times for nine bucks. But you're, I mean, I'm sure you're seeing your full Social Security numbers there and your previous addresses. I'm sure. Are there an email that isn't public? Is there?
- [181:54]
Sean Ryan
So how the hell do you get, how do you get your info off?
- [181:59]
Ryan Montgomery
So we automatically remove data for you. So the most, like all of the data brokers that have that data, that anyone could just go on Google and start searching, that gets automatically scrubbed. That, we're going to deal with that for you. So like, you already have a pen tester account. So we've removed a ton of it for you already. When it comes to breached data, like data that's already, it's already out there, that's on somebody's hard drive somewhere. Like, literally you can't remove that. You can't. So you can just, you know, in the event that it's like your Social Security number or something like that, you know, you have to just freeze your credit. Like I was saying to you before. Freezing your credit, if you don't know what it is, it just means go to, you know, Equifax, Transunion and Experian individually. They legally have to allow you to create an account for free and press the freeze button. And then all that does is stop people from being able to query your credit. So if somebody goes and says, hey, my Name's Sean Ryan and I want to buy this car or I want to open a credit card. It stops them from being able to query your credit or pull your credit report because it's frozen. Doesn't stop your credit from going up or down. Doesn't stop you any. Like, doesn't hurt you in any way. I believe the whole country should be frozen. And I think that you should have to unfreeze it when you know, because all you do is you sign into all three, you press unfreeze, you run your credit, and then when you're done running it, you freeze it again. And that, that's the fix for your social being out there. There is nothing else you can do unless you go, you know, through the whole process of changing your Social Security number, which you can do. But it's a, it's a process. But yeah, that's, that's one thing. The password, you know, use a password manager, change your passwords and then your addresses. Unless you move your house, you know, they're out there. Yeah, but the data brokers are something that we do that we can control. And in certain websites that have your photos on it, if you didn't want them there, we can, we can request removal of that information. So that's one thing I wanted to show you. The, the AT&T breach is another one that happened between in our interview and now. And there were 70 something million people affected by that. But it also included, hold on one second. Like, here is me, I didn't even take myself out of it. All of my information in the AT&T breach, that's, they got my full social, my current address, my emails, everything. So all people need to do is go to npd.pentester.com or at&t or I'm sorry, att.pentester.com There are individual scans to see if you were affected by these breaches. If you were, I would highly recommend freezing your credit. Make sure when you're doing a search, search every state you've ever lived in. Don't just search in, in Florida, like, if you've lived in Florida, make sure you search in, like everywhere you've ever lived, even if it was for a week, because it could be in that database. And then search your loved ones as well. And then with the ATT1 Att Pentester, search your phone number and make sure that you're not affected.
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Sean Ryan
I don't understand how these companies that are getting breached are not held accountable for any of this stuff. This could ruin your Entire life.
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Ryan Montgomery
Absolutely.
- [185:20]
Sean Ryan
Because they're not securing their data properly. Correct?
- [185:23]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [185:24]
Sean Ryan
But they get class action lawsuits, no liability.
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Ryan Montgomery
They do, they do, they have class action lawsuits but then they end up having to pay out whatever, millions of dollars to these, you know, individuals who file the lawsuit and then they have to give. Well, they offer free credit protection as like that's basically all you're getting from them. And that just means like tell you your credit score and tell you if somebody's. When it's too late. So it's not really.
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Sean Ryan
Who offers free credit protection?
- [185:51]
Ryan Montgomery
The companies that get breached. So they'll pay for all of the people that are part of the class action lawsuit or were affected by these breaches. They'll offer, you know, they'll offer your credit report for free for whatever amount of years. They don't do a ton for you.
- [186:06]
Sean Ryan
So there is no liability.
- [186:08]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, they have to pay a certain amount of money, but that's it.
- [186:11]
Sean Ryan
To who?
- [186:12]
Ryan Montgomery
So I guess with a class action they gotta pay everybody involved like whatever. It ends up being 20 bucks each or 15 bucks each. So what the fuck man. But yeah, I mean this is my own personal information, so I don't mind showing it. It's it. You know, my I, my account has 856 exposed records. 472 are in progress and 384 successful removals from different data brokers all over the world. All my IP addresses, all my accounts that I have connected to things and who.
- [186:52]
Sean Ryan
It has all this stuff.
- [186:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh yeah, man.
- [186:57]
Sean Ryan
This has like everything you've ever signed up for, huh?
- [187:00]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep. And all my passwords from you know, things I haven't changed. Has all my IP addresses, credit card numbers, addresses, Social Security number. It has my whole life. But you know, thankfully everything that I could possibly remove has been automatically removed by Pentester. And that's for the $19 a month plan. So you really can't go wrong with that. And then like I said, Pentester SMS, you just text 337-337-4100 and that's only $9. So you get the same thing with the removals for $9. You just don't get the reverse facial recognition and you don't get the ability to search like in the database without adding them as a, as a family member to the account or an identity is what we call it. So yeah, let me stop the record. Is there anything else here that I'm forgetting? No, that's, that's a. So, so like if there's so we could do the reverse thing, but I think we, like, we already have a clip showing reverse facial recognition. So if somebody out there doesn't know what that means, it means that I could take a picture of Sean or you. I mean, facial recognition means I could take a picture of you, and it may be a picture that's never touched the Internet before, and it's going to measure 120 points of your face, and it's going to look for your photo anywhere that's ever been posted on the Internet. So that could be in, like, you know, the background that somebody's wedding sitting at a table, and only half of your face is visible. Or it could be on, you know, a tweet that somebody created before this show, before you even had the podcast. And it's something, you know about your personal life that you don't want out there. Like, it could be a million things. And now that our database case is. Has, you know, tripled in size, we have way more data than we did even back then, which was a lot. So I highly recommend people check that out. But minimum, just text the phone number once they see it and, and see what kind of response you get. And. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. But I think privacy is kind of important nowadays. I mean.
- [189:05]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, me too. That's why we're creating this whole app. Yes, but I mean, so I'm curious, you know, with the, with the face, I mean, can you get photos pulled? Yeah, just like awareness. Like, hey, this is where. This is. What. What's out there.
- [189:20]
Ryan Montgomery
So we can. It's a combination of both. So if you really want a photo taken down, you know, you can reach out to our support team and say, hey, I really don't want this up here. And we will reach out to them on. On your behalf and ask for removal. We can't guarantee that it happens, but we have a better shot at it than, I think, an individual trying on their own. Because we'll find them. You know, even if there's no way to contact them, there's a. We'll find a way to contact them in almost all cases.
- [189:46]
Sean Ryan
And then if you. I mean, if something like your social has been compromised online, then the only. The only. Really, the only two options are freeze your credit or get a new social.
- [189:56]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Which I wish there was something else I could say, but that's. That's the truth of it. And going back to the NPD data breach, when that happened, we had all these media sources that were running stories. I was on call after call with news reporters recording videos for all of these local news stations. Like you name the news source, it ran it like all of them, literally. And there hasn't been a person that I think I've ran into in real life that knows about this. It so it's like we had 11 million people hit our website in seven days, but people just don't know. And this is such a huge violation of privacy that no one has any clue about that. I talk to and yeah, we're the only website you can go and search it on right now and see how breached you actually were. There's another site out there that will tell you you're in it potentially, but it doesn't tell you the details. And what if your name's John Smith or if there's somebody else named Ryan Montgomery? I can't tell if it's me, Ryan Montgomery, or the 500 that live in Florida with the same name. At least we show you the addresses, we show you the social, or at least a piece of the social in your case. I showed you the whole thing. But we don't show the full thing on the regular search. So people don't abuse it to get people's socials. But, you know, it's wild to me. It is absolutely wild. Damn. Yep. Crazy, crazy stuff. We had congress people, we had congresspeople and politicians and everything on the news demonstrating how to use npd.pentester.com it was like we were blown away by it. That's awesome. Yeah, we were blown away by that. And it worked. It did really well for the company. Obviously not discounting how much you have done for the company as well. Bringing me onto the show, letting me talk about it, got a lot of people. It helped a lot of people with their digital footprints too. Like, not only did it help the business, but we helped people clean up something they didn't even know they had a problem with until they signed up. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, I appreciate that, man. And the NPD breach was the biggest thing after that. And now it's pen tester sms, which makes it so easy.
- [192:16]
Sean Ryan
Anybody can take it successful.
- [192:18]
Ryan Montgomery
Anybody can text.
- [192:19]
Sean Ryan
That's awesome, man. You know, that's awesome.
- [192:23]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you, I appreciate that.
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Sean Ryan
What is, I mean, can you go into VPNs and why they're important and all this stuff?
- [192:32]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So VPNs, it's a virtual private network. So it's essentially you're connecting to a network from your. Let's say you're at your house, you're using your home connection to connect to another computer somewhere else, and then that computer somewhere else is sending all of the traffic to the Internet on your behalf. And then wherever. Like, let's say Google is here and you're here, and the VPN is here, it's sending the traffic from here to here, saying, I want Google. This is saying to Google, hey, give me your page. Google sending it back to the VPN here and the VPN sending it back to you. So Google never sees anything but the vpn.
- [193:17]
Sean Ryan
Gotcha.
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Ryan Montgomery
And then your Internet service provider, like, the person that is, you know, they can track what you're doing, can't see what you're doing because it's being routed through a different IP address, encrypted. And like, they can see that you're using a vpn, but they can't see what you're doing on it. And the VPN companies, most of them don't store logs. So if they were subpoenaed and said, hey, I want everything that Sean Ryan did on this day to this date, almost all of them, minus the few that have lied and they do store logs, or they're fed honey pots where they're storing logs on purpose, you know, they really don't have anything to give. If there's a subpoena, there's nothing to give.
- [193:55]
Sean Ryan
Do you have the names of any of the companies that do hold?
- [193:59]
Ryan Montgomery
I can. I know somebody. Let me double check before I say this. I don't want to. I don't want to tarnish someone's reputation to be wrong. So, yeah, IP Vanish was one of the major ones. They were caught storing logs in 2016 and provided them to the FBI after a court order, despite its zero log policy at the time. And they were a big, big one. And then on, on the other hand, there's one called ivpn that IVPN was subpoenaed. And there's like, it's on record. They all they had was an account number. They didn't have anything else. So they proved they didn't store logs, which is nice because, you know, like, it's hard to prove it. Like, you could say whatever you want, but until you, until you faced with a subpoena and sitting in a courtroom, there's no way to know if they're telling the truth or not. So that's. IVPN is a good one. And then Molovad is another one that I really like a lot. Like, they claim they don't store logs. I believe that they don't. The reason why is you can send them cash in an envelope and just put your account number on the envelope and they'll actually activate your account. And even if they did store logs, they don't know where that cash came from. They just activated an account number. So there's nothing they could do even if they did, which makes me think they don't even store logs. So I like that a lot about them.
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Sean Ryan
I mean, we're seeing China by a lot of VPN companies. I mean, Israel just hit the news buying VPN companies. Do you think when foreign governments, or maybe not even governments. I mean, look, China's communist, right? So it doesn't matter if it's a company or the government, they just get access to whatever the hell they want.
- [195:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Absolutely.
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Sean Ryan
I mean, is that what they're doing? Are they. Are they mining our data from us by, you know, by providing us with bullshit VPNs to use?
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Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I think it's a very educated guess.
- [195:52]
Sean Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
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Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I can't tell you with. With absolute fact because it has like. I haven't seen it with my eyes yet, but it makes sense for them to buy these companies if they're trying to spy on us, because the people that are using VPNs, it's either they are worried about their privacy overall or they're doing something that they just, you know, nefarious, or they're doing something that is very sensitive that they don't want people to see. And these countries want that data, so it would make sense for them to buy it.
- [196:18]
Sean Ryan
Gotcha. Gotcha.
- [196:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I agree with you there for sure, man.
- [196:25]
Sean Ryan
Well, let's move into Sentinel. So.
- [196:29]
Ryan Montgomery
So let me explain how that even happened, because back remember when I originally came into this, the original studio with you, I had what was considered at the time to be a vigilante group called 561 PC. And I was doing that with my friend Dustin Lampros, and we were just individually catching one predator at a time. And, you know, we were doing, you know, we're doing as well as we possibly could at that time. And that's how I ended up on that podcast and, you know, ended up here. So all this stuff's going on. I come onto your show and I guess a ton of federal agencies watch this podcast and my phone is blowing up. You name it, it's dea, which is drugs. I got CIA, I got. Even the Secret Service, FBI have multiple field locations all over the country. Hsi. I had HSI show up at an ATM on me. I don't know if you remember me calling about this.
- [197:28]
Sean Ryan
Oh, no, I remember they showed up at an atm, they surrounded you at the hacker event, and they came to your house, Correct?
- [197:35]
Ryan Montgomery
They didn't come to my house. But the other two things, yes, they. At the atm, they came in two different cars. Their office is in Miami. That's about an hour drive. At that time, they came in two different cars. I don't know how they legally could figure out that I was at the ATM if there was no target on me. But I turned around, had a badge in my face. I have a picture with the guys. Like, I was it. I was like, I. I asked them if I can take a picture with them, and they were like, just please don't post it. I can show you if you want to see it, but just put it up.
- [198:05]
Sean Ryan
No, I'm just kidding.
- [198:07]
Ryan Montgomery
But, yeah, I mean, they couldn't have been nicer. But turning around from the ATM to a badge in my face, I was like, I'm going to jail. This is it. You know? And my phone would not stop ringing. So something that, you know, something I want to just clarify now for anyone that works in law enforcement that's watching the podcast. No disrespect, I love all of you, and I want to help all of you, but last time I was on the podcast, I got so many calls, I couldn't work with everybody at the same time. It just wasn't possible. So as of right now, you can reach out to, you know, Sentinel foundation, who's working in parallel with the marshals. And we have a case number for the stuff I'm about to talk about, you know, very shortly. And I don't have any of this evidence locally. It's all stored in a cloud that's shared with the team, with the marshals. Like, if, you know, if you want to call me and need my help with something, I'm all ears. But if it's. If it's about this specific case, just reach out to the appropriate people, because I can't work with a million people at once.
- [199:09]
Sean Ryan
Why was there a badge shoved in your face?
- [199:13]
Ryan Montgomery
It wasn't shoved. I mean, he just had it up when I turned around. Why? Guess to tell me he was hsi.
- [199:19]
Sean Ryan
For what?
- [199:21]
Ryan Montgomery
Don't know. He just wanted to talk, and he kept hitting me up. I still got a text he could show you. He just wanted me to come down and sit down and talk to him. He never told me why, but I assume it's the Database. What else would it be? I mean, if there was something criminal, he would have arrested me.
- [199:36]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, I mean, I was really. I was extremely worried for you because.
- [199:41]
Ryan Montgomery
It seemed like I was getting arrested.
- [199:42]
Sean Ryan
Well, shit. I mean, I remember when we went to the Sound of Freedom premiere with Jim Caviezel, you know, for the whole. Yeah, they're fucking harassing you.
- [199:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [199:53]
Sean Ryan
They're texting you. Hey, don't be alarmed, but we see you over there. Dude, I was pissed. I remember so pissed. When. When that. When that started. Because, one, I'm sitting right next to you.
- [200:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [200:06]
Sean Ryan
Two, I'm just like, this is up. Like, you guys had the opportunity to do your job years ago. You didn't do it. More kids got fucking. More kids got exploited. And now you're sitting here fucking with my friend who's trying to do the right thing. Maybe go do the right fucking thing and save some fucking kids. And quit. Quit following Ryan around fucking Nashville and harassing him. Fuck you. I know you're fucking listening to this. You, man, that shit pissed me off.
- [200:37]
Ryan Montgomery
Dude, I remember you were heated. You were definitely heated.
- [200:40]
Sean Ryan
It makes my fucking skin crawl.
- [200:42]
Ryan Montgomery
I'm sure it does. I mean, from your side, you've been in. You were on the other side.
- [200:47]
Sean Ryan
They fucking come in like, they're like.
- [200:49]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [200:50]
Sean Ryan
Like.
- [200:50]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, man.
- [200:51]
Sean Ryan
It just fucking makes me angry. Like, it was straight up fucking harassing you.
- [200:57]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, yeah. It wasn't just the Nashville. It was all everybody. And it was. For me, it wasn't anger at that time. It was fear. Cause I, you know, I didn't know.
- [201:05]
Sean Ryan
Were you even doing it? A fucking movie premiere? Like, if you're.
- [201:09]
Ryan Montgomery
What.
- [201:10]
Sean Ryan
What are you looking for? Traffickers at a fucking movie premiere that's about trafficking. Go do the fucking job. Go do your fucking job, man. This shit makes me angry, dude. There's so many fucking people in federal law enforcement agencies that don't do shit. They just fucking harass people. They don't do their fucking job. And then they want to know why nobody trusts the fucking Internet, the federal institutions, or even fucking state. It's fucking ridiculous. Like, go do your fucking job and catch bad guys. Quit fucking trailing around a guy that's, like, trying to save kids and fucking harassing him. What is that shit? Like, how the fuck do you even sleep at night?
- [201:56]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I appreciate that.
- [201:57]
Sean Ryan
I know you know this fucker, too. I wish I fucking knew him. I'd fucking release his name and tell everybody who he is. What is that shit said, hey, I'm in the movie premiere. I just so, you know, I got eyes on you, buddy. What you.
- [202:12]
Ryan Montgomery
It's a, it's a. Over with in my mind, you know, thankfully. I, I appreciate that you care and I, obviously I would be. I'd care the same for you. I, I just, I can't let it bother me if I want to work with them.
- [202:27]
Sean Ryan
I know, man, it's just, it just, it's just, it's so, it's just so unimpressive.
- [202:36]
Ryan Montgomery
Like, it's just like for me to have any, for me to have any impact and to be able to do things legitimately, I have to work with law enforcement.
- [202:46]
Sean Ryan
I know, man, I know.
- [202:46]
Ryan Montgomery
So I have no choice.
- [202:48]
Sean Ryan
I'm making a generalized statement that they're all bad and they're not.
- [202:52]
Ryan Montgomery
No, I, I get what you're saying. I get what. I get your frustration. And I'm sure there's way more to it that I don't know. Cause you were on both sides, you know, at some point, so you got to see stuff that I didn't, you know. So I'm sure there's things that piss you off that I have no idea about, you know, but as for the Sentinel stuff, so I want. Oh, let me tell you the story of how that happened, because at that point, like I said, it was a vigilante group, that the intentions were all good. When I think of vigilante, I think of somebody that is trying to go out and like, beat people up and like, like take the law into their own hands, like, own hands and tie somebody up and put them in a closet. Like, you know, like. I don't know. I think of vigilante as a more extreme thing. Not just like a guy thinks they're talking to a child on the Internet. They go to meet at a public place. They're instead met with grown men who want to confront them on it until the police come. Like, I think that, that as a, as a civilian, I don't see what's wrong with that. But as when it comes to the law, even though some convictions are happening regardless of, of it being evidence or not evidence or vigilante, like convictions, I'm just, I'm glad convictions are happening. I'm glad people are getting exposed. That's all that matters to me. If anything that I could change about it would be longer sentences for the cases that happened from any of the predator catchers. But that, that's one thing. Another thing I want to bring up about predator catchers, that if you've noticed since our interview, like, I'm not saying that I'm the pioneer of predator catchers, because I know I'm not. There's Chris Hansen, Justin Payne, Courtney, Elizabeth, all, like, million people, anxiety war. All of these people that were doing it before Dustin and I started it. But after our stuff started to go viral, a lot of other groups just popped up. And, like, you know, there were. There were a couple others before. Before that, too, that. That, you know, there's a lot to think about. So I'm. I'm blanking. But what I did notice is, let's just say a hundred new, new channels pop up. A couple of them already had very large followings, so they're shifting what they currently do to start catching predators. And instead of them taking it seriously and talking to these people, like, what they deserve to be talked to as they would rent an Airbnb, for example, and get a decoy in there that looks younger, and they'll be wearing a, you know, a clown costume with a mariachi band. I'm not even exaggerating. Like, you know, while the predator's coming in, or they'll be asking them at the front door to take their clothes off so they show up naked at the door so they can get a good thumbnail or, you know, all of these things. But what they're not realizing is, yeah, maybe you're exposing this predator. Maybe you get him arrested, maybe not, but you're exposing them bare minimum. Do you realize what was going to happen if you weren't there that night? Like, do you realize, like, I guess maybe I'm a little bit jaded to the subject, or more informed is a better word to this subject, because I know what would have happened to that child. And, like, when. I don't want to get too graphic here, man, but, like, think of a. A toddler with blood running down their thighs because a grown man is hurting them physically. I think of stuff like that and these little girls and little boys and what would actually happen to them if that man, or in most cases, men, but some cases a woman were to be there. Like, do you think a mariachi band and a clown costume fits in that equation? I genuinely don't. I understand it's going to get you more views. I understand it's a better thumbnail. I get what they're trying to do, but there's nothing funny about this. This isn't humorous to me. Like, this is not a. It's not a joke to me, you know, so, like I said, half of it. I respect. I respect that they're exposing People using their platform to do it, but I don't think it's funny. And I wanted to make that very clear. Some people have gone to the levels where the cops aren't doing anything so much so that they're beating the crap out of them, which they deserve. But when you beat them up, you can't. Like now you can't call the cops and you can't get them convicted. And yeah, it's great for views and all of that and they definitely deserve getting the beat up. But, you know, like, something's got to happen. And you had Tim Tebow on here, which is an awesome guy. Love that guy.
- [207:06]
Sean Ryan
Tim's amazing.
- [207:07]
Ryan Montgomery
Best. Yeah, really good dude. Like, I don't think anyone can say anything bad about Tim Tebow.
- [207:13]
Sean Ryan
They try. Yeah, I've heard they try to say shit about him.
- [207:16]
Ryan Montgomery
It's crazy, man. It's crazy. But like, I don't know Tim personally. I know I've talked to his vice president, Camille. But, you know, he, he brought up a. He brought up situations with, you know, like the amount of people that we have in this country looking at that material at ages, what, under 12, if I can remember correctly, there's 111,000 unique people in this country in less than 30 days.
- [207:46]
Sean Ryan
Yep.
- [207:47]
Ryan Montgomery
So that's the people that are recorded from whatever software is monitoring that based on statistics that are public. That means there's way bigger number than he's aware of. And that I'm aware of. It sickens me. And the problem is not, it's not that the problem is getting better. What's happening is the problem's getting worse because the material is going to spread regardless if there's less victims, because there's still material out there. Like there was just a case in Florida with 1.2 million photos and videos that were being sold for 100 and something dollars. Like, that's not going anywhere. It's going to keep going, circulate all these communities for a very long time, regardless if there's new victims or not. So catching those guys is a priority, obviously, because they're going to re. Victimize other people or reoffend, but it's just like an endless loop of disgusting horribleness. But like I was telling you last night about the state trooper that just got caught a couple days ago with, with 23 videos having sex with his toddler in full state trooper uniform and sending the videos on telegram, like that was a few days ago. There's. There's just. There's just so much, so much going.
- [209:00]
Sean Ryan
On Are you seeing this stuff?
- [209:02]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, I didn't watch it. Not one I didn't see. But it's, it's. I'm seeing the worst of the worst all the time. And it's, it's. For sure. But that's a topic I actually do want to talk to you about at the end of this if you're cool with it. It. Because yeah, it's. You know, I've been doing this almost seven years now, three years of which have been with, working in tandem with law enforcement and Sentinel Foundation. But yeah, it definitely, definitely got more intense when I started to work with, with law enforcement and work with groups that, you know, like, like Sentinel, for example. And so, so sorry, I missed the entire beginning of this point. So having a vigilante group in the eyes of the law, at least I wanted to do that. And I also wanted to work with Sentinel Foundation. I had six or looked at my phone, I had six organizations reaching out to me. One of them was Sentinel foundation. And I got a call from a guy named Jim Cole, who's a very respected Fed that worked with hsi.
- [210:10]
Sean Ryan
I know Jim.
- [210:11]
Ryan Montgomery
You do know. You know Jim?
- [210:12]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, he's there. He's at Operation Lightshine.
- [210:15]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. Okay.
- [210:16]
Sean Ryan
He was. I don't know if he still is.
- [210:17]
Ryan Montgomery
I'm not sure. I haven't talked to him in a while. But back then, all them years ago, he got on a call with me. I know he was in, in HSI for a very long time. And he, he says to me, he's like, hey, man, you can't be a part of, you know, any of these groups or work with law enforcement. If you're going to continue to do the vigilante stuff on YouTube. And having to explain that to Dustin while we have five, six, one PC going was hard to do because it's like, dude, I have a choice right now to help more people and less people see me doing it. Like, I'm not going to be public about it. You're not going to see videos of me saving kids and arresting traffickers, and I'm not going to be putting stats out of my progress. Whereas with YouTube, you're going to see each one, one predator getting caught at a time. You're going to see more action from me. But I know I'm going to make more of an impact. And in my heart, I can't say, you know what? I'm going to push that opportunity aside because I want to continue to work on the YouTube stuff. So I chose to go with the Best group that I had available to me at that time, which was Sentinel foundation at the time. The guy that was running it was Glenn Devitt. Very nice guy. I like him a lot. He's no longer involved and, and we stay in touch. He's a Delta guy, I'm pretty sure, or Special Forces, bare minimum. But I could be wrong on that one. I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to military stuff, but I know for sure that he's involved in some way. So with Sentinel since we started, I'll get into the granular stuff that I got involved in, but just want to of the general stuff. Sentinel is a nonprofit dedicated to fighting sex trafficking and child exploitation domestically and internationally, which was important to me. We have partnership with law enforcement agencies across multiple states. We can combat human trafficking, missing persons, exploitation cases. We have joint operations, MOUs with all kinds of places. We have. We've rescued a ton of different women and children, particularly in operation between July and September. So I'll keep it at that. Integrated advanced OSINT and cyber tools for real time targeting and trafficking of traffickers. I'm sorry, and targeting of traffickers meaning like some of the methodologies that I use and some of my friends that have their own custom databases and tool sets I've helped integrate into Sentinel's workflow and trained law enforcement in many countries on how these things work. Because you'd be surprised, man. Like you may not be surprised, but they don't know like even the ones that are dedicated to Internet crimes against children, they don't really know what they're doing or the methods that they're using are antiquated. And it's not their fault. They have the passion, they just don't have the tools. They don't have the resources. They don't know. So with Sentinel, what we were able to do is travel to. I mean right now we've had operations in Thailand, Uganda, Haiti, Peru, Jamaica. There was at one point when Glenn was involved, there was Philippines. There's a ton of stuff domestically going on.
- [213:29]
Sean Ryan
And there is stuff domestically going on.
- [213:32]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes, yes. So it's mostly local and the marshals right now, but it's been HSI at one point we had some, some people involved there too. It kind of skips around depending on the need. But my purpose in Sentinel foundation was to bring something new. This is in the beginning to bring new technology to the space and that turned into getting involved in a ton of operations that I never would have had the opportunity to be involved in without going public with this Stuff because I would still be catching a predator one by one, although I still believe is effective. Now we're able to, like. Like, if you look on, like, Fox, there's a. There's an article with the Thibaut foundation and Sentinel where we pull 59 kids out of Haiti. You know, Haiti's a pretty rough place to be, and I'm not the biggest guy in the world, so having a team that can go in there while I do recon on a computer gives me an opportunity that I wouldn't have sitting in my. In my living room trying to track down one. One local predator at a time. Gotcha. So not devaluing that, but it's just a different opportunity for me.
- [214:44]
Sean Ryan
Well, it's like I said at the beginning, Ryan, there's not much you care about other than saving kids. You don't give a. About fame, notoriety, money, none of that stuff.
- [214:53]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, don't make a dollar from it. That's all I care about.
- [214:56]
Sean Ryan
I appreciate a lot of these organizations. I'm gonna say it. You're not gonna say it, but I know a lot of these organizations have come knocking on your door pretending like they want your expertise, but really they just want your notoriety to make them more money.
- [215:10]
Ryan Montgomery
That's exactly right.
- [215:11]
Sean Ryan
And that is a damn shame.
- [215:14]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't mind saying it either, because I know it's true. I know it's. It's so blatantly obvious to me now. In the beginning, it was hard to know because it's like, opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. And now it's just like, okay, I.
- [215:26]
Sean Ryan
Get you want to do the work, not be a fucking poster boy.
- [215:29]
Ryan Montgomery
Right?
- [215:29]
Sean Ryan
I commend you for that because.
- [215:31]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you.
- [215:31]
Sean Ryan
99 of the people would take the poster boy route every single time. And I do have a question, though, you know, I mean, you're. You know, you're the first person that I've talked to about sex exploitation and child trafficking and that kind of stuff. Then, you know, like I said, then it was Victor Marks, and then, you know, Tim Tebow, Jared Hudson, Jim Caviezel. Like, it's been. You've. After my discussion with you, it's turned into. I have to hit this every so often because it's the most important issue in the fucking world.
- [216:07]
Ryan Montgomery
Wait till you see what I have to show you next. Why it's the most important issue. I know not only what you already.
- [216:13]
Sean Ryan
Know, but what I want to ask is. And look, I don't want this to come across the wrong way. Saving a child is saving a child. It doesn't matter if it's in Thailand, Peru, Ethiopia, Uganda, I don't care. It's a child. One thing though, and I'm just curious as to why, if you know, why so many of these organizations operate out of Haiti, Philippines, Thailand, you know, Colombia, Peru, you know, third world countries in poverty. But every single, I believe it's every single time that I breach this subject. The commonality, the one commonality is the US Is the biggest consumer of Kitty. We're the biggest problem in the world. The United States is the biggest problem in the world when it comes to sex trafficking and sex exploitation. Correct?
- [217:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, with the consumption of csam, like child sexual abuse material, why.
- [217:27]
Sean Ryan
Isn'T all of the focus on the U.S. if that is the number one problem, if we are the number one consumer, I.
- [217:33]
Ryan Montgomery
Would love to tell you, bringing with Tim Tebow said In here, there's seven people working in C3, and there's roughly 60 Internet crimes against children locations in the entire country. The people that are making the most impact, I believe, are some of these organizations that are working with FBI, hsi. And it just needs to be better than that. We need to do better.
- [218:02]
Sean Ryan
Why is it, though, why are so many foundations going to Haiti, Thailand, all the places that I just mentioned, and very little if any here in the US it's just. Is it the red tape? Is it. Is our federal government harboring this shit? Are they. Are they encouraging it? I mean, that was a rumor for a long time, especially with the southern border, you know, I mean, what, what is it? What is it? I mean, we just saw one of the, One of the top guys at the Israeli, like Cyber fucking Command or whatever, got caught luring, luring in fucking kids to have sex with in a hotel room. I tweeted this out. Did we prosecute that individual? No, we packaged him up and fucking sent his happy ass back to Israel. No consequences whatsoever. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is going on? Why are we, why are we packaging this guy up and handed him back to Netanyahu? Here you go. Here's your pedophile. Take care of him. We don't want him to get hurt. What is that? What is that? Where's the fucking justice for the Kids, man?
- [219:18]
Ryan Montgomery
Right?
- [219:18]
Sean Ryan
Where is it? Like, what the fuck is going on in our country, man? And why aren't these organizations, why aren't they focused on the US Is the biggest problem?
- [219:31]
Ryan Montgomery
So my guess, just based on my experience, my guess is there's not access to a lot of the information. So if there's a group being being ran in the United States. And we like, for example, if I get involved in it, it's going right to a federal agency. Agency. And at that point, it may not ever go public. So that. That is happening when it comes to like, these big media cases that like that, like, you know, sending someone back to Israel or whatever. What is that? I can't answer it. There's so many things that I wish I had an answer to. Like I. I see the.
- [220:02]
Sean Ryan
With the Epstein files, it keeps getting swept under the rug. Like, it's like, what the is going on here, man?
- [220:09]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't get it. I just don't get it. And it's either a conspiracy or it's not.
- [220:13]
Sean Ryan
It's definitely not a conspiracy. The I'm talking about is real.
- [220:17]
Ryan Montgomery
I know, I'm just. Look it up for yourself, people. But the people watching, they got to make that decision for themselves or, or that assumption for themselves. Do they think that this country is holding out on the details or not?
- [220:30]
Sean Ryan
I mean, I just don't understand it. If the United States is the biggest consumer of sex crimes and sex exploitation and trafficking and all these other things, then this would be the easiest spot to make a dent, right? If we are running rampant in this.
- [220:48]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, think of it like this. I'll give you another good example to add to your argument. Every single airport you go in, what's the sign you see in the bathroom on the walls, over the intercom? What do you hear every single time? If you see something, say something. Human trafficking is a real thing. Human trafficking is a fight. Call this number if you see this, this, or that. Do you think they would be using that space in the airport for human trafficking signs over making ad money from advertisers? Absolutely not. It's a real thing. It's very real. The reason why we're not hearing about it, I couldn't tell you other than there might be something just above both of our heads. And I could tell you that we work on cases domestically for sure, and we work in tandem with law enforcement on those cases. That happens. But I can't answer, like, what happened.
- [221:39]
Sean Ryan
I'm not saying all the law enforcement. I don't want to come across like that, but you know what I mean. When I see shit like after the first interview we did, and then you got a couple of FBI agents running you around in Nashville and fucking tailing you and surveilling you and harassing you, it's like, hey, bud, maybe like, go save some fucking kids and like, leave this dude alone. Like, like, like, go make something of yourself. Like, do something positive like go save a fucking kid or anybody. Just do something. You're the FBI. Like.
- [222:13]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [222:14]
Sean Ryan
Be an admirable human being. Instead of.
- [222:17]
Ryan Montgomery
The ones that were tailing me around were the HSI guys. But they were nice.
- [222:21]
Sean Ryan
They were tail. I mean, obviously the FBI tailed you into the Damn.
- [222:24]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, they did.
- [222:24]
Sean Ryan
Premiere right there.
- [222:27]
Ryan Montgomery
It was. It was. I remember now. I don't remember the guy's name, but it was their boss who happened to be there at that time. Yeah. So that was. That was the situation. But, but, but I remember you being pissed.
- [222:39]
Sean Ryan
I was.
- [222:40]
Ryan Montgomery
That was the bathroom, remember? And then in the bathroom, that's when I got the text. And then. And then you. Like, at that point, we were in the hallway and you were pissed. You just wanted to leave. Yeah, I remember it.
- [222:50]
Sean Ryan
But. But, you know, and, and then you. And then you see a guy like Jim Cole who's spent his entire career doing this.
- [222:57]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep.
- [222:58]
Sean Ryan
You know what I mean? And, and so it's not at like the workers level, but when you. You know what I mean? I mean, Jim Cole, he's. I think he's very similar to you.
- [223:06]
Ryan Montgomery
You know, that's all he cares about. He is a black and white guy straight to the point. He would never. That man would not jaywalk.
- [223:12]
Sean Ryan
All he wants to do.
- [223:13]
Ryan Montgomery
All he wants to do is save kids. Save kids. Another person I want to give credit to while it's on my mind, because I know Jim knows her as well. Someone I work with current day that I've known since the beginning of this. Her name is Yvette Thomas. I don't know if you've ever heard of her. She's like the godmother. Like. Like, Jim Cole is the godfather of this space. There's not many people that made it around. She's been in federal law enforcement for 36 years, I believe it was 20 of which have been in specifically child crimes. So she recently, like, you know, you know, she helped me identify a bunch of victims in a case that we were working. And it was a. It was a case in Cleveland where a guy. A guy was. Was getting girls, little girls and boys on FaceTime and group calling people, and they were getting paid. This, this scumbag was getting paid to have them do sexual acts via FaceTime. The phone of that. That suspect got dumped and there was a bunch of children's faces and more on it. But all I received at the time was like 140 photos of children's faces. And different. You know, some are looking this way, that way. Some were blurry. But the ones that I could identify, I identified. I identified a bunch of them, and she's got some tools I don't have. So I sent her the files. She identified a couple of them as well. I sent them back, and since they're all in the Cleveland area, they. They. You know, they. They were able to. To identify, I'm assuming way more. I don't. I don't have my. I don't have a direct contact with the guy right now. I'd have to wait till I text him after the interview. But just think of, like, all of the girls and boys in that area. A lot of them go to school together. They do things together. They're going to be able to identify each other. So I feel really good about that. And her and I have worked on a bunch of cases like that, which are just thrown at us randomly. Technically, she's retired right now. She's doing this just out of the kindness of her heart. And there's not many of hers. There are not many of Jim Cole's, There are not many of. At Thomas'. It's just a blessing to have those people in this country.
- [225:11]
Sean Ryan
It's just. It's odd. You know what I mean? We've been screaming at the top. I mean, dude, the episode. We did hundreds of millions of views with all the clips, all the reels, the episode, the downloads, like, all together. It's hundreds of millions of views. And that's just one. That's just two people talking about it for less than three hours right now. There's lots of people talking about it. I just did a music video with John Rich.
- [225:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Who.
- [225:38]
Sean Ryan
She was singing a song about child exploitation. I met this woman who was trafficked, and now she's. She's kind of doing what you're not. Not with the tech and stuff, but, you know, she's. She's going after traffickers. She's doing. She's helping with rehabilitation, you know, and I'm hoping to actually get her on the show. Her name's escaping me right now. I wish I knew it. But, you know, and then you. Anyways, what I'm saying is, like, all these people are screaming at the top of their lungs at how often this has happened, happening. And you see it. I mean, half. 50% of the people I interview here, you included some type of. You don't call it trauma. I don't know what else to call it.
- [226:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I get what I mean.
- [226:20]
Sean Ryan
Sexual.
- [226:20]
Ryan Montgomery
I would call it trauma. So I. You can call whatever you want. It's not trauma to me, but it's.
- [226:24]
Sean Ryan
I get it. But you know what I mean? It's a. It's at least. I just had Tig from Benghazi here, you know, and he was talking about how many. It was like. I can't even remember how many times he was sexually assaulted before he was. He was an adult. I mean, I was like, tig, like, fuck, man. This is. It's like a monthly occurrence for you. This is horrible. You know, And a lot of people.
- [226:49]
Ryan Montgomery
Are scared to talk about it.
- [226:50]
Sean Ryan
And then Tim comes on, and just like, he said seven. I thought the number was actually nine, but only. Whatever, you know, seven, nine. Less than 10 people in the entire country are dedicated to this.
- [227:02]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, less than 10.
- [227:03]
Sean Ryan
Like. Like somebody's stopping that from growing. Somebody is fucking stopping that from growing.
- [227:08]
Ryan Montgomery
But don't forget about, like. Yeah, you're right. There's some things that are out that are definitely. I don't know, but there are the. The FBI and the HSI and even Secret Service have a tower of crime. They all have a little piece in this fight.
- [227:22]
Sean Ryan
A little piece?
- [227:23]
Ryan Montgomery
A little piece. They need a big piece.
- [227:24]
Sean Ryan
Why is this not going.
- [227:26]
Ryan Montgomery
Sean, I could pull my laptop up, not go into a teen chat. I could go on a dating app right now. Let's give you an example. Example. And within, like, I could just put my laptop down to the side. If I open that up, like, it shows a map of where you're at, and it's something. It's a whole other topic that would take me an hour to explain, but it's a. It's a great app for decoys to go on because it shows. It's not a good app for. It's a horrible app for children. It's an app for gay people. And, like, very similar to. If you're familiar with Grindr. Grindr is a dating app where they can swipe yes, yes, or no, or message the people and, you know, their conversations. They'll eat when they're done, they hook up with each other, and they never see each other again. It's not really, like, a relationship app. This one is. It's called Sniffies.
- [228:13]
Sean Ryan
Sniffies?
- [228:14]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. It's not an app. It's a website that can work on mobile or computers, and you can press the button. Use anonymously. You don't need to put in any email. You don't have to sign up. You have to do nothing. You click use anonymously, you end up with this Map around you. Cause you share your approximate location, which is pretty spot on to your exact location, especially if you're on a phone and it tells you everyone around you that's using the app. If I throw up a picture of myself using like a filter that makes me look young, I'll get DMs from people in this area, not just somebody in a teen chat that's, you know, anywhere in the world. People here. And then they'll message. You know, you have to go and you have to have a little bit of a conversation back and forth. They'll ask you how old you are. You tell them you're under. And you know, let's just say 8 out of 10 times, they're fine with it and they want to meet up. So for the decoys out there and the other agencies out there, if they could just automate Sniffies, they would find a ton of these guys. They would, they could automate the process and literally go. Just set warrants and pick them up. Like it's. It's that easy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
- [229:17]
Sean Ryan
What the fuck are they doing this stuff, man?
- [229:19]
Ryan Montgomery
I really don't know, man. That's the part that frustrates me.
- [229:21]
Sean Ryan
So I think want it to happen.
- [229:23]
Ryan Montgomery
It. I don't. I'd hope not.
- [229:25]
Sean Ryan
I mean, I hope not too.
- [229:27]
Ryan Montgomery
But when.
- [229:27]
Sean Ryan
I mean, it's like, I mean, what else can you think?
- [229:31]
Ryan Montgomery
It's weird.
- [229:32]
Sean Ryan
Shit's been going on forever and it's getting louder and louder and louder and louder. Nothing's being done, man. It's just nonprofits setting up all over the place. It's all these non profits, which, you know, which is great. Thank God somebody's taking it into their hand. But it should be our fucking law enforcement that's doing this shit. That's who it should be. Yeah, and it's not.
- [229:55]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I agree, and I don't want to speak negatively here and be wrong, but, you know, when I get into the 764 case, the FBI has, to my knowledge, 240 different active investigations right now. Regarding the 764 case. Case, I can tell you that within the short period of time that we've started an operation At Sentinel investigating 764, there is more than 240 different things that we found that you know, so like with. With just passive reconnaissance.
- [230:34]
Sean Ryan
Say that again. The FBI has how many they have?
- [230:37]
Ryan Montgomery
240. Let me, let me get the numbers for you. Just so I want to. 100% accurate.
- [230:41]
Sean Ryan
What a joke. What a fucking Joke.
- [230:44]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't want to talk negatively, but it's, it's true. So I'll read it straight from here.
- [230:50]
Sean Ryan
Here we go. Get ready to get pissed off, Everybody.
- [230:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay, so 764 adjacent discords and all of the. Because remember, I'm not giving these people credit by username, not giving them credit by their group names. The only one that I'll, that I'll talk about is 764 because. Because it's only giving them what they want. They want recognition. These people. There's a ton of subgroups, a ton of them that all are doing exactly the same thing. But I'll get into the whole story in a minute. But the FBI is part of 250Probes tying these streams to global rings. 250 sells off by 10.
- [231:34]
Sean Ryan
The FBI.
- [231:34]
Ryan Montgomery
The FBI has found. 250 probes is the word that I'm reading. So I can tell you that there's way more than 250 people doing this. There's more than 250 people in just one server that I would join to get some screenshots that I'm about to show you.
- [231:51]
Sean Ryan
That's what the FBI has. What has Sentinel done?
- [231:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Sentinel, just in the last month and a half, almost two months, we've infiltrated three different groups that I don't want to name, but you'll see them. I would say there's a thousand different users. The minimum. Minimum. A thousand.
- [232:13]
Sean Ryan
So you've probed a thousand users and the FBI's Probe 250.
- [232:18]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't know if they're talking about. They're not really clarifying here. It's 250probes. That's all it says. So I don't know if they mean users, groups, arrests, communities. I mean, there's a lot I don't really know. So.
- [232:31]
Sean Ryan
Well, it's definitely not arrests. Otherwise it would say arrest.
- [232:33]
Ryan Montgomery
No, it's not arrest. It's not a rest. The FBI hasn't done nearly as many.
- [232:37]
Sean Ryan
Arrests as they need 250 in a lifetime. Sentinel does it for two months and gets a thousand.
- [232:43]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And watch what happens.
- [232:44]
Sean Ryan
How many people work at Sentinel?
- [232:47]
Ryan Montgomery
They're working on this case specifically. This is an operation that I got to kind of cherry pick people involved. There's, if you don't count one of the main guys that's, that's overseeing it with the, with the feds. There's six.
- [233:02]
Sean Ryan
Six. Six people.
- [233:03]
Ryan Montgomery
Six people on this operation. Wow.
- [233:07]
Sean Ryan
Wonder how many people at the FBI are working on. It must be less than six Right. I mean, if you guys got a thousand in a couple of months and they got 250 and I don't know.
- [233:16]
Ryan Montgomery
You'Re gonna get my house lit on fire, Sean.
- [233:20]
Sean Ryan
Well, that's down.
- [233:22]
Ryan Montgomery
I agree with you. It's. It's frustrating. I just. What can I do about it? As you know.
- [233:26]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, somebody's house needs to sound the alarm, but it ain't yours.
- [233:32]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [233:34]
Sean Ryan
You know, government agencies, it just. It doesn't matter who's in there. They're just worthless. That's it. They're just worthless.
- [233:43]
Ryan Montgomery
I like that.
- [233:44]
Sean Ryan
A lot of hope for this one. I did. I had a lot of hope.
- [233:48]
Ryan Montgomery
For what?
- [233:48]
Sean Ryan
For that things are going to change and they're going to be great. We're going to go out bad guys.
- [233:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Speaking of that going back on a positive note, what has changed? Like, you just got done saying the preventative side of things. I truly believe. And said to you in the beginning, I believe that preventing it from happening in the first place, if possible, is the most effective solution to this problem. Yeah. So by letting parents know that this is a thing, by letting parents know what they can do about it, how they can talk to their kids about it, educating them about it, there's a very strong chance you're going to stop something that you would have just thrown the iPad at your kid or put them on a computer not knowing, like, oh, it's a kid's game. Roblox, little cartoon squares running around the screen. How dangerous could this be? If they don't know any different, then they're putting their kid in a dangerous situation and they don't know it. It. But if they know and they're listening to the words that you and I are saying and they take action, I feel like that's making change. Yeah. So I. I think that that is valuable. But that's just my opinion on it.
- [234:52]
Sean Ryan
It's definitely making change. I just wish that the government would take this shit a little bit more serious.
- [234:59]
Ryan Montgomery
Agreed.
- [235:00]
Sean Ryan
You know, so they're the ones that really have the keys to make this shit go away.
- [235:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
- [235:06]
Sean Ryan
They aren't doing it. They are not doing it.
- [235:11]
Ryan Montgomery
I. I agree with you. It's frustrating that more can be done. That is for sure.
- [235:17]
Sean Ryan
Are we getting ready to talk about.
- [235:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. I want to show you one more thing, though.
- [235:20]
Sean Ryan
Okay.
- [235:21]
Ryan Montgomery
Regarding that, because it just kind of brought it to my attention.
- [235:24]
Sean Ryan
I wanted to. We got to take a break before we do that because I'm already about to lose my mind. And this is really good.
- [235:29]
Ryan Montgomery
This is something I Want you to see because you're already pissed off. And I, I'm not trying to piss you off more, but it's something that you need to know. This is straight from the Google website. And this is the, the global request for user information. So you can see here, subpoenas is red. Look at. So back here is 2010. Barely less than 2,10,000. Going all the way to 20, say 15. We're at 20,000 requests for. Less than 20,000 requests for subpoenas. Right. Then you start getting into these later years. Holy. The biggest difference, like triple, quadruple, you know, quintuple. So this information, this is just Google. This isn't all the other places that are receiving subpoenas. And this is, you know, primarily, I would say, the United States. Who else is sending subpoenas to Google? I mean, it's other people off of it. Geez.
- [236:32]
Sean Ryan
Is that a. Is that an image?
- [236:33]
Ryan Montgomery
It's an image, but it's on Google's website. You can, we gotta, we gotta, we.
- [236:37]
Sean Ryan
Gotta overlay that on the screen.
- [236:39]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I can send it to you.
- [236:41]
Sean Ryan
All right, so we're getting ready to dive into the nasty shit.
- [236:45]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [236:46]
Sean Ryan
All right, let's take a break, get some water.
- [236:48]
Ryan Montgomery
Okay.
- [236:48]
Sean Ryan
Okay. Take a lap.
- [236:51]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, get ready. We both need it.
- [236:52]
Sean Ryan
Cool.
- [236:55]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, before, before we do that. Before we do that. Hold on. I want to give you this hoodie. So it's a pen tester hoodie. A little Easter egg in here. Check this out. So you got the pen tester P logo, but then on the other side, you'd be rocking Zero day.
- [237:10]
Sean Ryan
Nice. Love it.
- [237:12]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And then on the back, I asked your assistant and she said you wear a large, so hopefully this fits you perfect. So hack all pedos, hack your local pedo.
- [237:24]
Sean Ryan
Love it. Love it.
- [237:27]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And you know another, the reason why I actually got that idea was a good friend of mine, his name's Scammer Payback, he's got a YouTube channel as well. He catches scammers that are like, going after elderly people.
- [237:41]
Sean Ryan
You were telling me about this guy.
- [237:43]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, he's awesome.
- [237:43]
Sean Ryan
I want to get him on the show.
- [237:45]
Ryan Montgomery
He is awesome. His name, his name is Pierogi is his username. I don't want to say his real.
- [237:49]
Sean Ryan
First name because he doesn't get along.
- [237:51]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, I love him. He's a really good friend of mine. He's a believer in God, which matters a lot to me. And he knows the Bible inside and out, so he teaches me a ton. And one time I was over at his office We've done a bunch of videos together now, all in the last three years, we've done a bunch of videos together, one of which was an interview where one of his team members was interviewing me. And in the middle of an interview, he's got a connection at HSI that he deals with named Scott. Scott calls him, says, yo, we got some people here. HSI is outside and they want us to go. One of the other people that work in the office has this cash mule on his way to pick up what he believes to be 40,000 in cash from an elderly woman. I'm doing an interview just like this, but with his team member. And they say, like, yo, we're. We're about to leave. We got to go catch this cash mule in a parking lot. Hsi, we're thinking, is involved. HSI last minute says that they don't have anybody, so they back out of the situation last minute. Not Scott's fault. Scott was trying. He's in a whole different state. But we're. I leave the interview mid interview, get in the car. I'm high. I'm in the car with my back like this because, you know, I grew up in the hood and I ain't getting shot. So I look nuts in the video. I'm all the way back like this. And we're in this parking lot waiting for the cash mill to show up, driving four hours north to meet where we were supposed to meet. And we're, you know, we're looking around the parking lot, we see this one. We didn't know what they looked like. We just knew they were coming to collect the cash, and we knew that they were going to most likely have a different. They were. They were driving from Florida, so we knew that they were going to have a. Most likely have a Florida plate. And eventually a Florida plate pulls in, and we see it circle around the parking lot a couple times, and then they start going into this other parking lot, and then we start following them. Guy gets out of the car, he's a heavier set Asian guy, goes into the Lowe's and he walks around the store and comes out again. And we're like, that's definitely the guy. That's definitely him. It's at. The plate's there. He's acting suspicious. And nobody wants to get out of the car at this point because everyone's scared. And I'm the same guy, like I said, hiding because I don't want to get shot just in case. Now I see the guy out of the car. I don't Think he's got any firearms on him or anything like that? So I'm like, I have tattoos. I could probably come off like I'm a scumbag that has 40,000 in cash to hand off to him. So I get out of the car. I literally said that. That was my words. I get out of the car, I go right up to his face.
- [240:24]
Sean Ryan
He would come off as a great scumbag.
- [240:26]
Ryan Montgomery
That's exactly what I was trying to get at. So I go right up to the dude's windshield, and I'm like, yo, man, what's up? And he gets out of the car. I bring him out, and I'm like, so you're here to pick up 40,000 cat. I start to, like, you know, go at him. And I was like, yo, lift up your shirt. I didn't tell him I was law enforcement or anything. I just said, lift up your shirt. And he lifts up his shirt. He actually listens to me, and I make sure he doesn't have a firearm. I was like, give me your id. Give me your id. And he shows me his id. I take a picture of it. At this point, I find out he's on a visa here. He's got some type of, like, license that I've never seen before. It's like a visitor's license. And then he starts walking. Not running, but walking. And now he doesn't know how to speak English. He only knows how to speak some Asian language. And I don't know, I guess he understood everything I said, was talking fine prior to realizing he's getting trouble. But at this point, no one in the local area, no local PD and HSI were coming to pick him up. So it was like, the only thing I could do at this point is just film the guy and ask him questions and use Google Translate to try to get his response ounces. So I'm chasing this dude around the Lowe's, just walking around, watching him pick up. Like, he's driving four hours from Florida to. To get. I think he grabbed rubber gloves. I think he grabbed Tide laundry detergent or. No, I'm sorry, clothes detergent and, like. And nothing else. That was like. You drove four hours to Lowe's to pick up some laundry detergent and rubber gloves? Like, no, dude, like, just. Just tell the truth. What were you here to do? And then the team that Pierogi works with, a scammer, payback, He. He started taking the screenshots of, like, saying, on my way, where you see, like, the GPS screenshot and matching up the Route and everything to where the lows would have been. And it was all spot on. So it's 100 correctly. The guy information was sent along to the feds. Not sure what happened with it, but. But the video is on. On YouTube if anyone's interested in seeing. You can see me in the middle of the interview. Have to get up.
- [242:19]
Sean Ryan
Check this out.
- [242:20]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, it was like the same way you and I are talking now. Imagine someone opens the door and is like, yo, we gotta go. There's a cash mule. HSI's outside. Boom. And we just book it right out the door and we're on our way. It's like, yeah. So. So big, big props to scammer payback Pierogi. Good. Big props to him because that man, he's a holy person, a good person, a charitable person, and all he cares about is saving elderly victims. And I. Nobody's perfect. I'm sure he's made mistakes in his life, but the guy is a good dude. And I've spent time with his wife and kids, and I spent a week at his house before, like, you know, working, but at least spending a week at his house. I really like this guy.
- [242:59]
Sean Ryan
Dude, you gotta connect me with this guy.
- [243:00]
Ryan Montgomery
I'll connect you with him. I will.
- [243:01]
Sean Ryan
If you're running with him. He's gotta be great people.
- [243:04]
Ryan Montgomery
He is great people. You'll love him.
- [243:06]
Sean Ryan
Let's take that break.
- [243:07]
Ryan Montgomery
All right, sounds good.
- [243:11]
Sean Ryan
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- [244:21]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. The most important to me personally.
- [244:23]
Sean Ryan
Yeah. So we're talking about. We're going. Are we going right into 764 I.
- [244:28]
Ryan Montgomery
Think that's what we should do. Yeah.
- [244:29]
Sean Ryan
Okay, so what is, what is 764? What is it?
- [244:33]
Ryan Montgomery
So I'll tell you in my own words first. 764 Group is a Satanist cult group that focuses on extreme violence. And one of the main things that they focus on is towards children. They're labeled as a nihilist group. And for anyone that doesn't know what a nihilist is, it just means they believe that nothing matters. There's a group called it, but no lives matter, no human life matters. Nothing matters. That's what a nihilist is. And these people have proved over and over again that they, they fit exactly the description that, that they're labeled as. And there are a ton of offshoots of this group which I want to make it very clear that the main, the main reason why they do a lot of the things that I'm about to show you is to get the recognition for it there is to get the recognition individually. Even if they're part of a group group or a group that, you know, they just want their group out there in any way, whether it's negative or positive. This group isn't looking for positive attention. They, they're. I'll just be candid about it and just, and tell you. They, they, they, you know, extort children out of, out of sexual material. They extort children into cutting their wrist, hurting themselves. They cutting areas of their body, engraving their names into their, their chest, their legs, their arms, their faces. They've had children commit suicide live on camera in front of audiences of people while they get cheered on. They convince children to kill animals in their house like their pet cats or pet dogs. They try to convince them to kill their family members, commit mass murders, bestiality, incest, you name it. A lot of it has already been done and I have a lot of examples of that to show you today. And that is only with two of these groups that we've been doing passive reconnaissance on for a short period of time. There is plenty of act, plenty of other active investigations that are going on with other organizations and that I may or may not have involvement in. But, but what I can show you today is based on what Sentinel and I have found in a relatively short period of time. And if it's, it's going to blow your mind. It's, it's absolutely disgusting and there's just, there's, there's more to it. But it was created by, I cra. It was unbelievable. But a 15 year old boy started this group in Texas.
- [247:10]
Sean Ryan
A 15 year old boy.
- [247:12]
Ryan Montgomery
15 year old boy started the group. He was the beginning of it and he, from what I read was a non verbal kid that had some, you know, issues. You know, I don't want to glorify this kid or talk about him in any way where anyone would feel bad for him because he created something that is the worst thing next to, you know, all the other things that we've talked about. This is probably one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life. And you know, we'll see how you feel about it when you see it. But it was all started from this kid. And there's something called, I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but it's called the calm. And the comm is a collection of mostly teenagers, but there's adults in there as well that congregate on the Internet. The comm is short for the community. And they, they congregate on the Internet and they, they dox meaning like release personal information on people they swat. Meaning they send SWAT teams to people's houses just to, you know, scare them and to, and to you know, get recordings of them being swatted so they can use it to brag. Like for example, they'll call in to a local department and say, hey, my name is John Doe. I have bombs strapped to the windows, I have my family strapped to the chairs. I'm going to shoot them all. If any police enter the door, they're going to say all these horrible things so that a SWAT team, you know, responds and that's what swatting is. I've personally been swatted three times, two of which like police actually showed up and it was a big deal. I have a video, video of one of them, but I never gave them the recognition that it happened. There was no proof that it happened other than my, my recordings of it that I saved on my phone. I never, I didn't want to give them the credit, you know. So that's the comm. The 764 group actually came from the comm. And that doesn't mean all of the people in the comm have their own problems. They do their own stupid stuff. They've been torturing me since I was on your show three years ago, releasing my credit report, my personal information, sending pizzas to my houses, USPS boxes to my houses and on like pretty much thousands of boxes. No, literally thousands.
- [249:27]
Sean Ryan
Sending what to your house?
- [249:28]
Ryan Montgomery
USPS boxes.
- [249:30]
Sean Ryan
Why?
- [249:30]
Ryan Montgomery
Because they're free. Like you can order them on the USPS site and they'll just keep sending pallet after pallet after pallet of these boxes. It's like just, just to be annoying, though. Like they do it to be annoying and to get a reaction out of you. That's the calm. And they, a lot of them don't like me and that's, you know, I'll keep, I'll keep the comm pretty short because they're, they're a whole different topic, but, you know, usually just annoying. I wouldn't say that they're hackers. I would say they're more annoying. And they have technical abilities, getting information on people. The way that they mostly do it is they like to use the term TLO, which TLO is just something TransUnion offers to run a report on somebody and they'll use like a stolen private investigator's account to run somebody's name, get their social credit report and all the above. And if they don't have access to one, they'll pay 15 bucks to someone that does. And that's how they got my information, which I don't care. I genuinely don't. My credit's frozen. My address is out there. Publicly, there's nothing about me that they're going to find that isn't already out there. Like it doesn't matter to me. You can dox me, you want all you want, you can try to swap me. But like I know all the police all around my area, they're fully aware that people are going to try swatting me and have continued to try to swat me. I'm not really worried about them. It's More so the 764 group that stemmed from the comms, which is a whole different set of evil that I've never seen where they want to like they, they want to sextort children they like. And usually for the people out there that are for not familiar with that term is when somebody sends naked photos, could be an adult or a child. And the second that those photos are sent, they say if you don't send me X amount of dollars, I'm going to send this to your family, your friends, your school, your loved ones. And they try to extort them out of funds. Most of those sex storters, not that it's okay by any means, but most of them are just trying to make money. They're not trying to do anything evil. And nine times out of 10, they're never going to send that to anybody because they're never going to get paid if they do, number one and number Two, they're like, if there was a child that they have nude images of, they would be distributing csam, like child sexual abuse material. So, you know, it happened. The reason why I say that is I have a family member, it's very close to me that it happened to. He sent stupid pictures, he was an underage boy and I won't say his name obviously, but I had to coach him through how to deal with these people. And they wanted money, they didn't want any of this other evil stuff. And I got them to click a link. The scammers, I found out that they were in, you know, a foreign country that was, you know, I believe it was Nigeria, it was a couple years ago, but I think it was Nigerian scammers. And I told them just ignore them, just don't say anything to them, ignore them. I know it's hard, I know you probably feel like they're going to ruin your life, but they have no benefit in sending your photos to anybody. And they didn't. That doesn't mean that doesn't happen. It just didn't happen to him. And most of the time why would the. Why would they. It's wrong and I'm not saying it's right. I'm not trying to make it sound okay, but in comparison to what these sex orders do, it's, it's not, it's not even comparable. Man.
- [252:59]
Sean Ryan
I remember telling you, I remember you telling me about these guys the last time I, we met in Florida.
- [253:05]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [253:05]
Sean Ryan
How bad this shit is.
- [253:07]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, I've been working on this for a long time and with Sentinel it's been a few months, but I've been working on it for a long time. So I, it is.
- [253:15]
Sean Ryan
How did these guys pop on your radar?
- [253:18]
Ryan Montgomery
So I was a federal agent, actually gave me a heads up about them and from there I never heard of them at that point. And I started digging, digging in, just reading the public stuff out there and it blew my mind. It was, it was like the clearest definition of, you know, evil. Like I keep saying the word, but it is just pure evil. And that's what they want, that's what they're going for. But for. It's just hard to believe that people out there exist that are even worse or if not the same level of evil as the other people that I'm fighting against. And these, a lot of them are teenagers and young 20 somethings, but you know, there's the random 30, 40 year old plus year olds that are involved in this as well that they just want to cause harm, they want to cause destruction. And what is the next level? It's, you know, it starts with, with and I'll get into some of the terminology but they call it cut signs or I've heard in some of the groups cut sluts is what they'll call the little girls where they cut a username into their arm or their breasts or their legs or whatever part of their body. And it started with that and then it was okay, what's the next step? Kill the animals and then, you know, hold up a username with on a piece of PA and then hold the dead animal in the other hand and you know, like that group will then send that message everywhere. And then the person thinks by doing that, the child thinks by doing that they're going to stop, they're going to leave them alone. And what ends up happening is they know that that victim's just going to keep doing whatever they ask because they've already done it and now they're in possession of the nudes and these people will send it to your family and friends. And it's just, just unbelievable. There, there's, there's more to it. But I want to show you some of the content and some of the questions that I'm sure you're going to have. I can answer and I, and I want to. There's just so much to this that I could go on like an hour tangent trying to explain it, but can I, could I just start by showing you this situation and then we'll take it from. So I went into to the 15 year old that started it. He started luring miners from Minecraft. That's where it all began. It all started with him luring miners on Minecraft to sextort them and make them self harm. The group was influenced by Order of Nine Angles, which is a Satanist group outside of the Internet, which is a combination of Satanism, neo Nazism, occultism and all kinds of things. So you know, obviously that goes with, if I want to just read it, read a list, it's rejected empathy, promoted ritual violence, belief in culling, which if you know what culling is, that means that real power comes from harming others without hesitation. So that's like a whole Satanist belief. And then there's a ton of offshoots, a ton of these other brand. I got groups that I have notes that, no exaggeration this long full of different groups that are doing the same thing, full of members.
- [256:26]
Sean Ryan
How many members does this 764 group have?
- [256:30]
Ryan Montgomery
If I, I don't have an exact number on it, but if I had to guess, 20,000, 30,000.
- [256:35]
Sean Ryan
20,000 people.
- [256:37]
Ryan Montgomery
It's huge. Like there is no shortage of these scumbags. No shortage, shortage. The, the average vulnerable target that they're going for is 9 to 17 years old. 9, 9 to 17. That's the average. They'll go for anybody. But that's what they're, that's, that's usually what they run into in these games like Minecraft and Roblox and other social media apps. And without going into, without going into more of these notes because I'm just trying to hit some key points and not forget them. They, they're targeting minors and I have a few screenshots to show you this on mental health forums. So they'll, they'll go to a mental health forum where they see somebody is struggling as a kid saying that, you know, they're either being bullied in school and they don't want to live anymore or that they're self harming already. And you know, they'll pretend. So they lure from those groups, they groom them by trying to be their friend or pretend to be their boyfriend and give them actual mental health therapy. Sorry, it's hard for me to even say this. Mental health therapy. And I'll read those conversations. Some of the grooming that they do and they even have playbooks on how grooming and they have an over 240 page manual on how to do this to children that they share amongst each other. And they, like I said, they're all in mental health forums. They even had. I have a tweet that I took a screenshot of. I'll show you where. It's a group that, where they're saying like join here if you're struggling with mental health. And it's just a direct link into one of these horrible groups that as soon as that person or child, mostly children, believes that that person's their boyfriend or their friend or their girlfriend, one or the other, and they send those nude photos the second that happens then they go right into the extortion and extreme violence. All they want. They want to create what's called and like I said, I'll get into the slang. They want to create what's called a lore book. So it's like a collection of all of their extortion material that they could use against them. And do I need to use any more of these? Let me see. Yeah, so okay, in these notes too. Over 250 ongoing investigations by the FBI briefings at Europol conference. FBI classified 764 as a non. As a domestic terrorist group. Terrorist group, Yep. And. And then there's a bunch of people that were arrested. But way. Do you see. Where do you see the time that a lot of these people got? It's nothing, man. It's nothing. And some of them are having children kill themselves. Like it's mind blowing. It is absolutely mind blowing. But I'll read.
- [259:28]
Sean Ryan
Are you talking about time they got in prison?
- [259:30]
Ryan Montgomery
Time they got in prison? Yeah.
- [259:31]
Sean Ryan
They've had people kill themselves through extortion. And I mean, what is the sentence? What is it?
- [259:37]
Ryan Montgomery
So I'll read you some of the stories. Okay. So these are just notes that I wrote for this podcast and I figured that I would do a lot of it off the top of my head, but. But it gets me so worked up that I'm probably better off just making sure I get this on point. But. 14 year old, and I'm just going to use their first names, the victims, even if it is public. 14 year old Elliot joined a black metal music forum during a tough family transition and started at a new High School. 764 members pretended to be supporting, quote unquote friends, directing him to Gore Sight, which later escalated to him carving satanic symbols into his skin and producing hundreds of self harm photos categorized as csam. So that was. That was one. And something that I learned is that self harm pictures within themselves, even if it's children, from what I read, is not considered CSAM like child sexual abuse material. But if it is sexualized, it turns into child sexual abuse material. So that's a weird thing for me. I don't fully understand that. That another one, teenage girl named Eve, was found in another Discord server. Discord's a chat application that a lot of them use by a 764 member posing as a friend. He faked giving her a ton of affection support, which he. Which in quotes, which she desperately needed at that time, which is what she said. Then extorted naked photos and forced her on video to carve usernames deeply into her skin. Slash and strangle and behead her pet hamster. A member said, bite the head off or I'll F your whole life up in quotes. And later she cut herself deeply in the bath to as they told her to turn the water red. And there's, you know, a video of her in a bathtub that's red, full of her blood. They even sent a SWAT team to her home as well as leaving as permanent 764 scars all over her body. She's still in therapy and, and she did all of this in her bedroom closet. And I have the pictures to show you this with this, this particular victim, a 25 year old man deep in depression was targeted by a female that was also recruited into 764. So likely a victim herself that was converted into an extorter. Which happens often by the way that happened.
- [262:00]
Sean Ryan
That's, that's common.
- [262:01]
Ryan Montgomery
That's common because these kids, they're already a lot of them struggling with mental. They find a group that they think are their friends somehow and then they start extorting other kids. So it's a vicious cycle that needs to be broken. She started. So in this particular case, the 25 year old man deep in depression was targeted by a female recruited into 764. She started daring him to commit self harm videos which later escalated to him dousing himself in gasoline, lighting himself on fire in his hotel room. As the group watched and laughed at him, he passed away. See the screenshot I wrote of the virtual funeral, because that's what he said. Watch my virtual funeral. And I want you to, to hear these, these idiots. In the YouTube video as this guy lights himself, Bishkek called Tashtar Atta. He found a spot in the snow, set up his phone and lit himself on fire. The entire ordeal played out live on a Discord call. At least 29 users were in the server while it happened. As he was propping up his phone, sitting on the ground, praying, then dousing himself. Some were recording, others were cheering. In one clip, someone shouts out the group, another calls her by name.
- [263:41]
Sean Ryan
Big shout out to money and big.
- [263:43]
Ryan Montgomery
Shout out to Smok.
- [263:44]
Sean Ryan
And we gotta say it took you.
- [263:47]
Ryan Montgomery
So long, That's the worst death possible. You hear that? So he said that's, that's, he said that is the worst death possible, man. And they're laughing about it and, and what you didn't see on the screen is a blurred video of him lighting himself on fire, dead on the ground as these people are laughing at him and naming out their groups that are, that are not associated 764 but offshoots of 764. So that's from a public YouTube video, but relates to that story. I was just telling you another one. In one case, a person who was already arrested threw a brick through the window of a pregnant teen's car that was lured from Roblox. She threatened to report the group to NCMEC national center for Missing Exploited Children and the Shock put her into cardiac arrest killing her and the baby. The guy was arrested for being part of the comm meaning the 764 group. And he had his own offshoot and was charging 50 to $200 for bricking, swatting and doxing services. So bricking, like I said I'm going to go over these terms but bricking means show up at somebody's house and either throw a brick through their window, shoot it up with a gun, vandalize it, break windows, do something, record the video and post it. And sometimes when they do this bricking thing they, they'll do it to their own members to see if they're loyal and, and, and you know like won't call the cops and if the cops come they won't snitch. They'll. They'll literally do it as a loyalty test which gets even worse in a bit. But that's what bricking is. And, and that guy is arrested. 22 year old member of one of the groups kidnapped and the 12 year old girl in Virginia. He was convicted and sentenced to. This is a good, a long sentence to 350 years in prison. 764 group also leveraged animal torture, incest, self harm, bestiality from their victims. 17 year old member Nino live streamed himself attacking an 82. 82 year old man and two weeks later he murdered a 74 year old woman on video who he believed to be be Roma to prove his loyalty to the group. He was only sentenced to 14 years and I have a video of that which is very disturbing. He murdered. He murdered. He hurt an old man terribly and murdered an old woman gruesomely live on Discord the chat application. Just to prove to these people that he, that he had what it takes to be part of their group. Group.
- [266:31]
Sean Ryan
What the is wrong with these people?
- [266:33]
Ryan Montgomery
And, and did you Hear the sentence? 14 years. 14 years.
- [266:38]
Sean Ryan
Where was that?
- [266:40]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't know. Off the top.
- [266:41]
Sean Ryan
14 years.
- [266:43]
Ryan Montgomery
I would imagine it wasn't the United States because if you believed in the Roma that's like a, like, like a usually other countries. So another one, a 13 year old girl, this happened three days ago, four days ago where in Washington state. A 13 year old girl was found hanging in a parking lot in Washington while live streaming her suicide. The chat was encouraging her to take her clothes off because they said it would be hotter quote unquote. And I have the article about that but she. It's the, the actual, the criminal the. That convinced her originally to live stream this was. He was Dubbed with hundreds of crimes and he victimized more than 30 children alone by himself. This one guy, the 13 year old girl was hanging in a parking lot dead while the chat was telling her to get naked because it would be hotter. And that just happened. So I don't know about an arrest on that yet. Slying, which I'll get into the videos in a second. So. So cut signs, cut sluts carving names, group names into their skin very deeply. Not like scratching a little bit like going in, you know, permanent scar.
- [268:00]
Sean Ryan
In Florida, one girl was swallowing razor blades.
- [268:04]
Ryan Montgomery
A little boy. Yeah.
- [268:05]
Sean Ryan
Or a boy.
- [268:05]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, a little boy was swallowing razor blades on camera. Allure Book, victim of. I'm sorry, Allure book is a victim collage of CSAM that they will use to threaten to show family, friends in school. Luring via social media, online games, leverage for nudes and later extort via self mutilation, suicide and all the other things. Like one of them is lighting a homeless person on fire with a Molotov cocktail. That's something else that I'll show you. SWatting, sending a SWAT team to a victim's house, tricking the local PD into believing an actual crime is being committed in their house. Tradecraft, that's the evasion playbook. So meaning they're like, they're encrypted chat rooms and you need proof of crime to enter. So like you know, either it, either it's a combination of you doing self harm, showing the victims that you. You've had do things to themselves. Murder videos. If you're doing things to animals or people, something that you know that they call that tradecraft. To get initiated into these groups you need to. To prove it's. I'm sorry, tradecraft is the evasion side of things like how to hide the. I don't know why I have it on the same line here. But the proof of crime to enter is what most of them require for you to join these private groups where these people are at. Unless you're a victim, they'll just bring you in obviously. Bricking. I explain what that is. Throwing a brick or gunshot at the house or multiple gunshots. Where one of the cases it was a teenage girl pregnant with a baby and the brick went through her back windshield, put her into cardiac arrest and killed her and the baby just from a brick going through the windshield.
- [269:51]
Sean Ryan
Why would a victim want to join this? Do they feel like they don't belong anywhere else after they've become a victim because of the extortion?
- [270:00]
Ryan Montgomery
It could definitely be the case like.
- [270:03]
Sean Ryan
Why the, why would you want to do that to somebody else after you've just been through it?
- [270:09]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't know. I can't put myself in their heads because I can't comprehend this as a human being, how you could even do something like this.
- [270:17]
Sean Ryan
Me neither.
- [270:18]
Ryan Montgomery
So I don't know how a victim could turn into one of these scumbags. But it happens often, unfortunately. And they're young, impressionable kids. So the way I look at it as I was young at one point in online chat rooms and thank God I never had anything like this happen to me and I never sent a naked photo in my life. So I like it's. I've never had as a possibility but I could see with the, some of the hacking communities I hung around doing illegal things, I could see myself doing something stupid that I normally wouldn't be doing otherwise because I wanted to fit in with that specific group. And you know, you talk about a 12, 13 year old something girl or boy, maybe these people have convinced them what they're doing is okay. So I don't know. I'm just trying to rationalize why somebody could be that evil but that it is a thing. And then the last one I want to add here Sean, is blood writing, which is a very common thing they like to do which is smearing blood on the wall, usually satanic symbols, usernames and group names in their own blood from, from the cut signs. So from there I kind of want to put it in your hands here where you can see what do you think the best way of doing this is? Because I have them organized in folders for the different categories of stuff. So do you have any questions before I show you that stuff or do you want to see it and then talk about it?
- [271:41]
Sean Ryan
Just flip it around and show it to me.
- [271:43]
Ryan Montgomery
There's a lot like it's a little, it's going to take a second to go through. So.
- [271:51]
Sean Ryan
What am I looking at here?
- [271:53]
Ryan Montgomery
So, and I don't have them in order because this, this is a shared cloud thing. But luring, grooming, like if you start with luring and you see here, maybe just double click it. Join cool friend. Yeah if you want to read them.
- [272:08]
Sean Ryan
Join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times.
- [272:14]
Ryan Montgomery
And that's a direct link. Yeah, direct link for one of their communities, these and then you hit the right arrow key here.
- [272:23]
Sean Ryan
Outpatient wellness center.
- [272:25]
Ryan Montgomery
And then if you read their description.
- [272:27]
Sean Ryan
No CP Gore leaking. No drugs, guns or nudity. No advertising. Join group.
- [272:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh.
- [272:44]
Sean Ryan
Cultist discords. Threat said Join if you are any of the following mentally ill, fatherless, daddy.
- [272:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Issues, schizo, borderline personality disorder and then fem cells. Like some like, you know, you act like a girl or feel like a girl or some. Something like that. So that's just some of the luring. It's easy, you know. This is how kids could join a group and not know like what they're joining in advance. They think, oh this is a group full of people that might help me with with whatever I'm going through. Sorry to grooming. Here's one of their this is one they share amongst each other.
- [273:28]
Sean Ryan
Grooming. Grooming is very commonly used and easy way to get content. Usually when you have groomed your victim, she will do exactly as you say no matter what. But you have to make your victim think that you are her God and that you own her and forever will. You can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X, formerly known as Twitter, Reddit and Instagram, etc. Once you have found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her, make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her. Call her cute nicknames when you have talked for a little like princess, darling, honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you have talked for a while, you are going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to. Now that she is under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information, etc. If she doesn't do self harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you have done all of this.
- [274:49]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep. And then here's if you just skip that one, this is just the. You don't have to read the whole thing, just this is a guy grooming a victim.
- [274:57]
Sean Ryan
I'm really sorry and I love you a lot. You're the most beautiful, cutest, sweetest, most adorable girl in the world. But the only problem is that you're not my girl and I want you to be. I know I'm somewhat demanding of things. I'm sorry for that and I'll work on that issue of mine. I'm just saying I really want you. You're the sweetest girl in the whole world and I'm like obsessed with you. I don't know. But I'm sorry for threatening you. I thought I was gonna lose you so I just started saying stupid, stupid. I would really like you or anything. You're too sweet and cute for me to do something like that to you. If you gave me a chance. And we date. I promise and vow on my life I'll make it the best RLS you'll ever have.
- [275:52]
Ryan Montgomery
I have no idea what that one is.
- [275:54]
Sean Ryan
And hopefully the last. We can have fun all the time. And I'll text you non stop. I'll block every girl on my friends list. Even the guys if you want that. I won't talk to anyone for you. I really like you a lot and I'm really sorry. Is the same guy, is it?
- [276:13]
Ryan Montgomery
No, it's a different person. Each one's different.
- [276:15]
Sean Ryan
I don't understand this, but what are you talking about? Lol.
- [276:21]
Ryan Montgomery
I totally, totally won stalking your account. What you doing? Totally. And I'm in bed right now. Papa finna get in shower. She says, I'm tired. He says, take a shower with papa. Or he says, take a shower with papa. She said, I'll be naked. Scary. He goes, papa will be naked too. It's okay. Daughter's supposed to take showers with papas. Papa will make your squeaky make you squeaky clean. Okay. Wife. She says, yes, clean me. Touch all over me. He says, I will. Papa will have to touch your privates though. And this is in the grooming stage, remember? Where they don't know they're about to get extorted.
- [277:00]
Sean Ryan
Jeez.
- [277:01]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, there's. As you can see. Please don't leave me. I'll do anything. I'll do it. Fine. I love you so much. More than anything anyone else in the entire world. You make me so happy. When I hear your voice, I smile so much. Your voice is so pretty. You're the most beautiful girl girl in the entire world. And I hope you know that. You make me so happy. I hope you know how much I love you so much. I'm really sorry for the things I've done. Please forgive me. I love you. Respond. I'm sorry. He just is blowing up her messenger because she's not answering them. And that's the grooming side of things. Which you know, appears, if you were to not know anything else that appears like a guy that wants to get, you know, hook up with a girl that's young. Sorry. Skip some of that. And then from here start to get into things that are a little more rough. So here's some of the guides you already read. Grooming Extortion 1 if you want to.
- [277:53]
Sean Ryan
Read that to start off for you to be able to extort, you must also have the ability to groom. Without grooming, you won't even get any information or any nudes. And if you groomed your victim, you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly, you must have the following personal information. Addresses, names, phone numbers and nudes. Once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting and leaking personal information, etc. If she doesn't do as you say. Examples. Make a blood sign, make a cut sign, kill your cat and kill yourself at the end. If you have done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to remember. Never say content is content because no one wants to see some shitty cat scratches.
- [278:54]
Ryan Montgomery
Right? Meaning there's content is content. What they're saying is they don't want you to grab like a paperclip and, and write a username into their arm. They want you to deeply cut it into there where it's going to permanently scar and bleed badly. And you read that there's a website and I won't name the website, but there's a website that has. Look how long that takes to read the average. That's. They have a whole handbook on people like they, they train each other on how to extort miners into doing these horrible things. It's unbelievable.
- [279:23]
Sean Ryan
Geez. This is the prologue of Handbook. The handbook is a comprehensive guide that provides deep insights into the tactics and strategies that can be used to blackmail and exploit victims. Primarily through the use of compromising photos or videos. It delves into aspects of Corian and highlights the various methods to maintain control.
- [279:50]
Ryan Montgomery
Coercion.
- [279:51]
Sean Ryan
Coercion. Instill fear and coerce victims into complying with the perpetrators demands. Additionally, it offers step by step instructions for everything there is to know about carrying out a successful scheme, from identifying potential targets, to executing the blackmail process, to creating convincing fake identities. Maintaining anonymity online, monetizing and safely storing content ensuring that the perpetrator remains untraceable. This is not a handbook to teach victims how to protect themselves or seek help, but rather to teach perpetrators how to locate and exploit their victims. So my dear reader, if you choose to go further, it is at your own risk. You've been warned. But on the other side, you may find a way to unleash your deepest desires. We can all only hope, right?
- [280:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So I cut the book at that point. But there's 240 pages age book and here's, here's what they would talk about. For a 14 year old. And they rank it based on. If you can read it, it's great.
- [280:57]
Sean Ryan
Geez. Choose this age. If you are specifically speaking young victims who can be controlled for a long time. 14 year old identity victim reach 3 stars receiving nudes 3 stars success 5 stars. Long term victim, 4 stars.
- [281:16]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, and they're doing that for a 14 year old. They're. They're saying that's the odds of all of them things happening. This is. Yeah. So a girl, if I can skip right to it, should be around. I just saw her. This. This is not it. Here's that girl right here.
- [281:37]
Sean Ryan
What is this?
- [281:37]
Ryan Montgomery
This is just a girl. She doesn't hurt herself. But listen to what they say.
- [281:41]
Sean Ryan
Just please.
- [281:42]
Ryan Montgomery
No. Okay, well listen to us.
- [281:45]
Sean Ryan
Babe, come on, we're trying to help you out. Just. I just want to be left alone and leave. I understand, but it's not that simple.
- [281:59]
Ryan Montgomery
Can I please just do that?
- [282:02]
Sean Ryan
You want to leave the server? I don't know. If you ask, I think she's got to work for it.
- [282:08]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep, definitely.
- [282:10]
Sean Ryan
The fuck is that? Are you like dyslexic or something?
- [282:12]
Ryan Montgomery
Holy shit. I'm looking in the camera to do it. You're stupid. Can you hear us? Hello? Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, what's up?
- [282:22]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, I'm 27 years old by the way, and I want your daughter to.
- [282:26]
Ryan Montgomery
Do stuff for me. Okay, that's fine. I'll report you to the police. Oh, I'm sure you will, fatty. Can you leave the room though? I'm busy talking with your daughter. I just saw her tits and she's like 16. I'm 27. Make her lift up her shirt. You think it would end here, right? Watch what happens. The girl's back. The dad gives her the computer back.
- [282:47]
Sean Ryan
What?
- [282:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, watch, watch.
- [282:53]
Sean Ryan
Do you want to die tonight? Do you?
- [283:00]
Ryan Montgomery
And he ends it with. Do you want to die tonight? And. But the dad gives that girl the access to the Internet after he just saw and heard not even her hurting herself, but them threatening her. That. That's a bad parent in my opinion. This one. This girl is just cutting her ponytail. But it's very sad.
- [283:18]
Sean Ryan
Oh no.
- [283:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Should we press send? Fine. This much. Okay, go.
- [283:27]
Sean Ryan
Start cutting.
- [283:28]
Ryan Montgomery
Chop, chop, chop, chop. Safety scissors. Yeah, they are really bad. Keep going. Please just leave me alone. This is the ex. The extortion side of things. I wanted to show you some, you know, not as I. I don't want to show you videos of, you know what you're thinking because it's just. It's Too much for. It's too much much. These are some of the cut signs.
- [284:18]
Sean Ryan
Oh, my gosh, dude.
- [284:21]
Ryan Montgomery
That is the name of a person.
- [284:23]
Sean Ryan
That is deep cuts.
- [284:25]
Ryan Montgomery
And that's the name of the group. That's another name of the. The group with, you know, just pointless hate. This is very deep.
- [284:36]
Sean Ryan
Holy.
- [284:39]
Ryan Montgomery
And if you read this one. Oh, no, let me get you the first one so you can. It makes sense right here. It's hard to read, but it says laughing.
- [284:52]
Sean Ryan
As they called me names, reposted my videos and pictures. I strip myself down. I don't recognize a single square inch of my body. It's all branded, cut up and bruised. I hate them so much.
- [285:12]
Ryan Montgomery
And then that's the name of the group that's cut into her stomach. That. That part of the groups. Here's some. They're called blood signs then where they cut themselves and put the blood on the wall. And a lot of times it's satanic things, which I have one you can read.
- [285:27]
Sean Ryan
You want to read it? I don't want to read the wrong names.
- [285:31]
Ryan Montgomery
The username made me paint the walls of Eden with my blood. Snuffed my humanity. Where is your God now? And it's a wall covered in their blood with satanic symbols that they drew onto the wall. Very, very graphic of the. You know, they cut themselves deeply and write this into the walls. I sold my soul to the group name written on this wall with handprints of blood, upside down, crosses, pentagrams. I sold my soul to that group name. Again, completely different victim.
- [286:06]
Sean Ryan
Do you want us to put these up?
- [286:08]
Ryan Montgomery
I mean, you're welcome to take all of this.
- [286:10]
Sean Ryan
I mean, has anybody done this? Is this.
- [286:12]
Ryan Montgomery
There's some of. This is like. Almost all of this is public. I wanted to make sure I wasn't putting anything illegal on your show. Public.
- [286:18]
Sean Ryan
Where is this?
- [286:19]
Ryan Montgomery
On different forums and stuff. Animal abuse. There's a girl holding up her cat. Covered the head of the cat, but that's the guy's username. Very popular in this, this. In this, you know, all of these cults, all these groups. And that's just a victim, but she literally murdered her. Her cat. This is a guy, completely separate situation. He killed his cat. Victim. That's a cat. Dead cat's body part. And they used its blood to write the group's name. Oh, there's some rough stuff. So get ready for this. This. Yeah, I'm going to do it.
- [287:07]
Sean Ryan
What, man?
- [287:12]
Ryan Montgomery
This is on a call with somebody random in the. In the group.
- [287:16]
Sean Ryan
So this dude, we can't put that up, obviously. This dude just stomped on an old woman's head until she was dead and then slit her throat.
- [287:29]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep. Just. Just to prove to that group that he was worthy. Here's a suicide from somebody that was trying to do, you know, his own version of anti extortion. He wrote a suicide note, put himself online, puts up the note to prove himself and. That's a suicide note. And then he just ends it. And that's it for. For the him. It's a guy that was, I guess, already knocked out. I don't know if he died or did not die. But these are all different individuals by the way, like the. The criminals. Holy. That's somebody. I. I took the video off of this because I didn't want you'd have to see someone burning alive. But that's a homeless person fully englofed in flames and murdered. And then him in the chat bragging about it.
- [288:36]
Sean Ryan
Jeez, dude.
- [288:40]
Ryan Montgomery
That. And then the last one that I'll show you is the miscellaneous which same username from earlier has me and my two year old sister captive. He's a sick man. And then you see her with her child one day. I will record it and I will show everybody.
- [289:05]
Sean Ryan
I will show everybody.
- [289:07]
Ryan Montgomery
Haley.
- [289:09]
Sean Ryan
Either I myself or I will you.
- [289:12]
Ryan Montgomery
I'm not joking. This over an E girl. Tori. Over an eager over fake. I promise you, either I die or you die.
- [289:26]
Sean Ryan
And you watch me laugh, smile at you crying in pain.
- [289:32]
Ryan Montgomery
Stupid. You are worth nothing. Nothing. Okay. I promise you, Tori, you will be there to watch. Okay, okay, calm down. Okay. He's threatening your life. I mean, it's just a group chat full of people that are talking. We're almost done. Here's somebody right here who if you read this one.
- [289:57]
Sean Ryan
Little information about how I started this, this. I've always been a psychopath and always wanted to watch girls and flip pain upon themselves for me. My earliest cut sign I've ever got was a single k back in 2016. Over the years I've stopped taking breaks, come back on new aliases. But I have a total of over 2600 plus groomed victims. My goal is to reach 3000 before I get fed it.
- [290:30]
Ryan Montgomery
Welcome to my suicide chat. I'm trying to host my own virtual funeral. This is the guy who, who lit himself on fire in the hotel and had everybody there. There were I think it was 30 something people watching. Here's in. To enter this group you have to give either cut signs, deep cuts, blood signs, suicide or bricking. You have to do arson Stabbings or graffiti. And you need like these different amount of pieces of each thing to get into certain levels of these groups to prove that you are real. So that's part of what I was talking about with the crime proof. And then this is someone admitting to things.
- [291:16]
Sean Ryan
I have little children cut themselves themselves and do weird. And like I might have people like strangle themselves with a cable or kill their pets or just do weird. And I record it. I have other people record it. And then like I'm part of a cult like a really bad people called. But I'm also part of some other too just like, just like lame.
- [291:40]
Ryan Montgomery
Oh, who knows? But that guy, that was just a random piece of evidence. Here's Roblox, which I'll get more into after this. But you see that's, that's their logo right there. And then that's a shirt that says I love cp. And it's in the game itself. And then me not a victim. Like all of these things that should be censored by the game. Not not being censored. This, this and this donate for CP. And the thing about Roblox is they're making 30 of every single sale that goes through their game game. And I'll explain that more too until this is over. They're making money off of this. Why, why stop here? There isn't a drought of kids on Roblox. So this person's talking about how many kids there are. And this is a very, this is a known group for these people. This is a username that if you put that into chat GPT, I guarantee you it would know exactly what it means. But if, if there's no AI doing moderation on, on Roblox box, that stuff gets by. Which if the people can't see it, it's, it's pedophile Rapist. That's the username, but it's spelled wrong. This, this person saying do you like play? Because if, if you did, I'd you. And this one, this is unbelievable. So this, imagine a premium service for a free app. So Discord the chat application is a free application. It's like about 10 bucks for their premium features. And all you get in their premium features is emojis. Like different, you know, little emojis being able to color your profile with different colors and stuff and maybe a larger file size limit to send. But that's all you get for Discord. Nitro is what this is called. And this conversation says I got a two week nitro trial if you want. One guy says Goof. He says yes, yes. Guy says, will she cut for me? He says yes, we'll cut on camera. He says all right. Other guy says if I tell her to. He says, can you tell her to? He said nitro first. He said all right. So he traded a victim for $10 and the ability to send emojis in a chat application. That's how petty and ridiculous this is. Here's an 11 year old victim. They're selling for money.
- [293:59]
Sean Ryan
Oh man. What do you mean they're selling her?
- [294:03]
Ryan Montgomery
Read it.
- [294:03]
Sean Ryan
For sale. 11 year old girl. She is very naughty girl. Has been deflowered. Yet still in. Yet still in ripe enough condition. No visible signs of abuse. Will listen when she is put under enough pressure. Make sure to give her enough attention and she'll will never leave you. Price $1200 only accepting Monero payments, which.
- [294:33]
Ryan Montgomery
Is an untraceable cryptocurrency. So. But you see how she's got the group name written here? Yeah. So it's. She's not only being sold by people that are into children, adults, but she is being sold by these satanic scumbags that are doing that.
- [294:49]
Sean Ryan
So is she a hostage or is this.
- [294:51]
Ryan Montgomery
Or it's hard to tell that it. She may. She may have been forced to take a photo like that or she may actually be a hostage. Yeah. So I. I think that is all of that I have in this folder at least. Is there anything that I didn't elaborate on there?
- [295:14]
Sean Ryan
Well, I think we need to get these to my guys so we can put some of the. This at least some of it.
- [295:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Some of it on camera.
- [295:23]
Sean Ryan
So. Dude, what the man? So. So this is. Oh man, it's.
- [295:33]
Ryan Montgomery
It's rough man. I'm sorry you had to watch that. I just wanted you to understand how severe this actually is.
- [295:38]
Sean Ryan
And these are little kids, little girls.
- [295:40]
Ryan Montgomery
Little kids and boys.
- [295:42]
Sean Ryan
So how. Okay, so what game. What are the most popular games that they. That the 764 cult is luring their victims out?
- [295:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Roblox, Minecraft, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat.
- [295:56]
Sean Ryan
Okay, tell me about Roblox and Minecraft because I don't know anything about gaming. I don't game. I don't.
- [296:03]
Ryan Montgomery
Understood. I. I don't either. But it's part of the investigation. You gotta. You know, a lot of times I'm investigating, I end up on these games or apps. Apps. And Roblox is the one that I'll focus on the most because that seems like the majority of the issues right now.
- [296:16]
Sean Ryan
I know little kids that Use that game.
- [296:19]
Ryan Montgomery
There's 75 million active daily users. So it's a, it's the largest child, largest children's game in the world right now.
- [296:28]
Sean Ryan
I've been telling people too about what you've been telling me for what, at least six months now about the 764. Difficult. None of their kids are off of it yet.
- [296:38]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, most people just. They throw their, their iPad at their kid. They put them on Roblox and like I said earlier, little cartoon characters running around the screen, no harm in it. But you know something that most people like, Most people I see like you didn't seem to even know but like they just banned a guy. There's like a young guy who was actually groomed and, and had issues him for himself on Roblox who has a popular YouTube channel. He started catching predators on Roblox. Just regular old predators that are interested in children, not these guys. And he, he got from. To my knowledge there could be more. There's. There was six arrests. I saw six mug shots that came from this one guy, his name is Schlepp. And he went like mainstream on the media because Roblox sent him a cease and desist letter for being a vigilante on their platform. They did a press release saying that they, they're banning vigilantes from Roblox did a whole statement. You should see this press release. It's unbelievable that their excuse, all their excuses of why they think vigilante should not be a part of Roblox. There are a ton of predators.
- [297:46]
Sean Ryan
It's a publicly available. Yeah, we'll post that up right now too.
- [297:51]
Ryan Montgomery
Absolutely.
- [297:52]
Sean Ryan
So this is the official statement from Roblox talking saying why vigilantes shouldn't be taking down pedophiles and such off of their platform. They want these people on there. They want these fucking people on there to.
- [298:08]
Ryan Montgomery
That's essentially what it's.
- [298:10]
Sean Ryan
Your children and your children are on here. And I'm fucking telling you, you better get them off. You better fucking get them off. It is going to happen to you.
- [298:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes, it's a it. These people, they're sitting predators, if you've noticed.
- [298:26]
Sean Ryan
What parent keeps their kid on there after we're telling them this shit?
- [298:31]
Ryan Montgomery
I don't know, man. I don't know. But it's, it's unbelievable to me. And it's. Predators hang out in spots where they can prey on victims. They, that's why there's so many teachers, why there's so many police officers, why there's so many, you know, Parks that things happen at or gym teachers or people in positions of power where they have access to children. That's where predators end up. And then people are surprised by it. They wonder why. Like why do you think these people took the job in the first place? Do you think that they weren't a predator, they weren't a pedophile prior to taking the job? Like they've always been one. So when they're on Roblox and it's the largest children's game in the world.
- [299:10]
Sean Ryan
Obviously it's the largest children's game in the world.
- [299:13]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, yeah. Largest in the world.
- [299:16]
Sean Ryan
So when largest, largest children's game in the world doesn't want people on the platform saving kids, that's exactly what. Listening to this shit, people. The largest video game platform in the world doesn't want to take any measures, any measures at all to save kids. In fact, they made a press release discouraging it. Yes, a cease and desist.
- [299:43]
Ryan Montgomery
Cease and desist. Sorry, not a press release and a press release. Both. Both.
- [299:47]
Sean Ryan
And you're in, in, in, in the, in your paying this platform money. You, there's millions of people that are going to listen to this and I'm telling you, you are paying. You are you, you are complicit in this 100%.
- [300:06]
Ryan Montgomery
And let me tell you some more, Sean. So Roblox, if parents have their kids playing on it, it's. If you're familiar with Fortnite, there's a similar in game currency called V bucks in Fortnite and Roblox is called Robux like R O B U X. So if you went to Target or Walmart or CVS right now, we could go buy a Roblox gift card that a kid can cash in in the game and they get a Robux balance. So they'll get it for their birthday presents or their parents will buy them these cards which allows them to buy like outfits in the game or access to do fun things and in actual kids games. Right? Well, there's these public games where developers like you and I could be a developer for Roblox by just signing up to be a developer, put out a game, Roblox will host the game and then everything that's purchased by these children within game in game purchases they make 30% commission on. So when they leave up a server that is talking about, you know, C child in that example, they use CP as the term they. And then there's other servers where they're blatantly wearing 764, you know, shirts as characters. They got upside down crosses, they got satanic symbols. They have people in the chat logs talking about grooming. They have all these things, but they're profiting directly off of this stuff. And, and you know, it, they, they don't have, to my knowledge. It's like it being the largest game in the world comes with some, some, some responsibility, you know, for kids. And I believe you should have a full team full of people that are familiar with child crimes working in your content moderation team. And if you don't, then you should be hiring these quote unquote vigilantes that you're kicking off the platform that are getting arrested on your platform. You should be hiring them because obviously they're making more of an impact than Roblox is, at least publicly.
- [301:54]
Sean Ryan
Roblox doesn't want to make an impact. They want this happening. I guess they want this happening. Otherwise they wouldn't be sending cease and desist letters to people who are trying to save kids.
- [302:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, wait, I mean, let me just pull up the press.
- [302:07]
Sean Ryan
People are supporting this.
- [302:09]
Ryan Montgomery
I want you to hear the title of this.
- [302:11]
Sean Ryan
Wild.
- [302:12]
Ryan Montgomery
The title. Wild Roblox. I mean, release vigilantes. Like this is not something I'm just coming up with off the top of my head. It's. Let's see, I want you to hear the title of it. More on our removal of vigilantes from Roblox. And it goes into a very long press release that explains why they're removing vigilantes from their platform. Look at this. Why we remove vigilantes. The importance of accurate reporting. Help Roblox remove bad actors.
- [302:47]
Sean Ryan
What happened after this?
- [302:48]
Ryan Montgomery
So they lost. I think it was. I might be off by a little bit, but $13 billion in market cap, I believe it was. In 24 hours after releasing this and doing a cease and desist, the guy Schlepp went very public with the media. Chris Hansen partnered up with Schlep to like the YouTuber to talk about this specific problem because it made no sense. That makes zero sense why they would want to get rid of vigilante on their platform if they're not causing any harm other than just exposing the predators and people. You know, a lot of people I'm sure took their kids off of Roblox, but it doesn't take away from the fact that there's 75 million daily users. And another thing, outside of child predators, Roblox actually I'll show you a picture with it. But before I show you the picture, there's a ton of Charlie Kirk Assassination. Assassination. Excuse me. There's a ton of Charlie Kirk assassination simulators in Roblox that are publicly facing that. Any child can join that are very graphic. Some are photorealistic, some are cartoon where they can play the role of the shooter. They can watch in the crowd as he bleeds out. Any child can join this. And I have photos of it.
- [304:03]
Sean Ryan
So you can see this is on the most popular kids game in the fucking world.
- [304:10]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes. So here's some screenshots of Roblox. If you join my Discord server, you'll see real cp. That's just one. SWAT us, we dare you. You're based in your mother's basement. But look at that. That's. Yeah, there is another one. Yep. The Roblox in game chat references twist sexual fantasy 764 and the age of young gamer. So if you look in there, join Slash, that name. That's a very popular group for the calm.
- [304:38]
Sean Ryan
So they don't. They don't even hide. They don't even hide.
- [304:42]
Ryan Montgomery
Slash, where are the calm girls at? Calm girl meaning like a girl.
- [304:45]
Sean Ryan
They're telling you what they're gonna do before they do it.
- [304:48]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, not all the time. Sometimes they lure them straight in here and they don't. In this case, they're straight up saying where to go. Watch it. And this is in game. Like in a children's game. That should be blocking all of this. Kirk knew it was coming. Hi, Gabby. And you can see the photo of it happening on this. This character's shirt. There's a game you can literally go on the Roblox website, assassinate Charlie Kirk and just press the play button and just play it. And you see this. Holy. Yeah. You can use real V bucks to buy these T shirts, which I'm not V bucks. I'm sorry, Robux. To buy these T shirts. And you know, it's. That means Roblox is making 30 off every sale of that T shirt.
- [305:32]
Sean Ryan
So, bro, roblox is making 30 off selling gamer. What do you call that? Like a skin?
- [305:39]
Ryan Montgomery
A skin?
- [305:40]
Sean Ryan
Yeah, a gamer skin. Like an outfit for your character to wear. That is Charlie Kirk shot in the neck, bleeding to death.
- [305:47]
Ryan Montgomery
Yep.
- [305:47]
Sean Ryan
If they make Roblox makes money off.
- [305:49]
Ryan Montgomery
This, they make money off of.
- [305:51]
Sean Ryan
Nice.
- [305:51]
Ryan Montgomery
The predatory behavior.
- [305:53]
Sean Ryan
And parents are. Parents are supporting this. That's fucking genius.
- [305:56]
Ryan Montgomery
It's unbelievable.
- [305:57]
Sean Ryan
Because they're too fucking lazy to watch their own kids. That's what this is.
- [306:02]
Ryan Montgomery
They're too lazy to watch their own kids and they think that it's not going to happen to them. And it's. And their kids are smart enough to not fall into this trap. It's all these things that is not the case. They're wrong. They're. They're wrong. And I can tell you with absolute certainty I do this every day. Six, almost seven days a week of my life is dedicated to this topic. Topic. And I don't have a child. I. And, and when I do, I don't know how I'm going to act as a parent. But I could tell you for absolute sure this is not going to happen in my house. It's not going to happen. My kids are not going to be part of these games. They're not going to be part of social media until a later age. I understand there'll be friends that are going to hand them the phone. I know they're going to break the rules. But I want my. And look, I can't speak on what I can't. I don't know. Maybe I have a kid that, that defies everything that I say and I'll eat my words at that time. But right now I can't understand why you would even let your child play the game. Why would you buy them Robux in the game? Why would you give them access to a computer if you see they're even playing it, knowing what you know right now? So not just Roblox, Minecraft 2, any game where they're talking to strangers that is unrestricted, you should not let them play. Especially at a very young age where they don't even know right from wrong. Wrong. So that's. I could go on or I can keep going on a rant. But parents are going to make decision for them, decisions for themselves. And the question that I'm going to get asked, and I get asked by everybody is what can you do about it? Well, the answer is two things. I wish I had a better answer. It's either sign up for a monitoring software like Bark, because Bark is very good for what it does. It monitors for bullying, monitors for sexual type of activity activity and monitors for suicidal ideations. All of those things. I have no, no partnership in Bark. I just like their company. I think they do a great job. Custodio is another one that also monitors devices. But Bark is the one I know the most. They both, I'm sure, are great. And the most important one is being aware of what this stuff is. Do your research, watch the news. That or Google search some of these terms on the news764 group the com roblox predators on the Internet Watch some of these podcasts. Listen to some of Shawn's episodes. Get yourself familiar. So that when you have a conversation with your kid, when you decide it's the right age to talk to them about this or that, then you have less of a chance of them falling into this vicious cycle. And if they do fall into it, they feel comfortable enough about it to come to you about it and tell you. And that's the best advice that I can offer you. I don't have a button that just erases predators off this planet. If I did, then half of my life would be a lot more free than it is right now.
- [308:43]
Sean Ryan
But I got something about this. This needs to spread. And so if you're a parent, when your kid's hanging around with other kids because everybody's addicted to their tablet, because all these. I don't know what the fuck kids are doing with phones anyways. I mean, you said it perfectly the first episode. When you hand your kid a phone, you're not giving your kid access to the world. You're giving the world access to your kid.
- [309:09]
Ryan Montgomery
Right?
- [309:09]
Sean Ryan
I've said that many times since I've heard that come out of your mouth.
- [309:12]
Ryan Montgomery
I've heard you on that one.
- [309:13]
Sean Ryan
But, you know, you need to be asking all the parents that your kids hang around with if their kids on Roblox, if they're not on ro. If they are on Roblox, then you need to educate them. If they still don't give a shit, then you need to shame the fuck out of them. That's ridiculous. This shit. Shit's crazy. Don't let your kids hang out with anybody that's playing that.
- [309:34]
Ryan Montgomery
Well, I mean, remember, we might be old school, but like, there was a time when. When going outside and riding around on your bike was like what hanging out with friends is. I know that's not the case anymore. And I know that parents are going to use.
- [309:44]
Sean Ryan
That can be the case, but it should. We do. At my house, we play outside, we do bikes, we do creeks, we do woods, we do hikes, we do camping, we do four. We do all that. We don't around on the phone.
- [309:58]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah, we do not around on the phone. And same thing with my business partners. They don't play that at all. Same as you. There's a lot of parents that don't that will not allow it. Another thing that's like. And this is a whole different topic, but I just want to just breeze over it real quick. It could get very sensitive for people. And this has like, if you're watching this, Please do not take offense to this because it has nothing to do with, with you being into men, women, being trans. I don't care what you're into. You can look at me as a Christian or a right wing extremist or whatever else that I've read about myself online. I don't care if you're gay. I don't care if you're trans. I don't care about any of the other things. Gender fluid, all of the things I'm not thinking of right now. What I care about is if you're attracted to children. I don't like you. It's as simple as that. I don't care if you're a girl, a guy, a strawberry, a whatever. I don't care. But when you bring these books into kids schools at extreme young ages, like, I'm walking in Florida, which as most of you know, is a pretty wild state and usually against a lot of things. I mean, a lot of people don't like Florida. I'm walking through Barnes and Nobles and I see that there's the gay BCS in there. Bye, bye, binary. And I'm looking in the table of contents of some of these books and one of them is talking about age AIDS. It's like, how do you explain to your 4, 5, 6, 7 year old kid what AIDS is without telling them what anal sex is? Yeah, like, you can, you can't. So why, why bring these children's books into a school and expect kids to like, I didn't learn about sex ed until maybe 7th, 8th grade in gym class. And it was like cartoons on the screen explaining what the body parts were. These kids are learning, like, for you to know what the opposite sex is and for sexist to be attracted to the same sex sex, they have to understand what sex is. And the only people that should be teaching their kids about anything sexual is their parents. So I don't know. That's a whole different topic, a whole different tangent. But I don't, I don't like these books. It's got nothing to do with lesbian. LGBTQ has nothing to do with that. I really genuinely, on my. Everything that I love, I don't care. But I do care when it comes to kids. I think they should make that decision as grown adults.
- [312:08]
Sean Ryan
And this is why so many people are moving to homeschool.
- [312:12]
Ryan Montgomery
It makes sense. Or Montessori schools.
- [312:15]
Sean Ryan
Tons of people are moving to the homeschool program because of shit like that.
- [312:19]
Ryan Montgomery
Sorry, I'm just. It's got me pissed off.
- [312:21]
Sean Ryan
We've covered that stuff several times or I. You don't have to cover it again. You don't have to cover it again.
- [312:26]
Ryan Montgomery
It just got me frustrated when I. Because it wasn't too long ago that I, I was, I found out that it was in, you know, Florida bookstores.
- [312:33]
Sean Ryan
Stuff's been going on for a long, long time time.
- [312:36]
Ryan Montgomery
Very frustrating.
- [312:37]
Sean Ryan
But that's why you're seeing, that's why you are seeing this wave of people move into homeschool because they're just tired of the ship. They're not going to deal with it anymore.
- [312:46]
Ryan Montgomery
And the last thing I want to say, last thing I want to say real quick is, is when to. When talking about these cults and satanic groups and some of the stuff that we talked about and read. I understand the people that are watching, some of you are not going to be able to see these, these videos in full, pictures in full. But I want you to understand how graphic this stuff actually is, how much damage they're actually doing to children, to animals, to their family, to strangers, how volatile this could be. And remember where it starts. It starts on these games like Roblox, like Minecraft websites masquerading themselves as mental health support groups. It could even be an actual mental health support group that they groom your child off of. Of. So remember those things. If you don't see any of the content and you don't believe it's as severe as I'm saying that it is. And Sean saw with his own eyes. Just trust me when I tell you that it is. And I pray to God that your kid never becomes a victim of any type of sexual crime as well as any sort of crime or turn them into a cr. All of it. I don't even want. I don't even know what to say, Sean. It's got me. I can't. I never spoke on this topic.
- [314:00]
Sean Ryan
We're doing it, Ryan. We're doing it. The parents that care are going to watch this. Their kids aren't going to be on Roblox anymore. They're going to be educated just like the last time. And then there's going to be a handful of parents that just don't give a.
- [314:14]
Ryan Montgomery
And that's on them. That's on them. They can, they can regret it when they, when they figure it out.
- [314:19]
Sean Ryan
Just this alone is going. I mean, and look, if it's not, if say Roblox disappears tomorrow, let's just say 75 billion people watch this episode and they're all on Roblox. They're like it, I'm out. Then it's just gonna move to something else. So you gotta be, you have to be a vigilant parent. You have to pay attention to what your kids are doing online. But I think you know, the majority of at least this audience, people take. Take action.
- [314:49]
Ryan Montgomery
I believe it and I know it and I, I meet people all the time that watched our first episode and like I'm repeating myself but have said that they've made changes based on what they saw on our episode, on other things I've done. But it doesn't matter where they hear me. I don't care if they hear me in a bathroom stall in Jamaica or Haiti. It doesn't matter. As long as they're hearing it from somebody. It doesn't have to be me. And they make a change. That's all I care about. About.
- [315:17]
Sean Ryan
I did want to cover one. One more topic here.
- [315:20]
Ryan Montgomery
Absolutely.
- [315:21]
Sean Ryan
We were talking about it. We were chatting about it last night. Only Fans for teens.
- [315:27]
Ryan Montgomery
Yes.
- [315:27]
Sean Ryan
Brand Army. I had no idea this was going on either.
- [315:31]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah.
- [315:32]
Sean Ryan
What the is this? I mean you educated me on it last night, but I'd like you to educate the audience on it.
- [315:37]
Ryan Montgomery
Sure. So the, the brief. The brief because that's a whole investigation within itself. So if you're not familiar with Only Fans, it's a website where people can sell their bodies for money. Money. That's, that's for adults. Adults only. There's a site called Brand army that you can join the site as early as 13 years old and they have a, have a policy of how, how many bikini slash like you know, revealing photos that you can post before like so you, you could post let's say one bikini photo and then it has to be two normal photos and then another photo that's revealing and then two more normal photos. And these are 13 year old, you know, girls or boys. But the, the other part of it is to subscribe to their content where they're paying for this, these, the child's content and the parents are actually directly profiting off of it. You have to be 18 years old to subscribe to the children's content. So it's so backwards. There's a house in, in Florida called the Bop House. B O P House. That Bop is like a slang term kids are using for like a slut or whatever. And there's a lot of Only fans girls living in there. But one of them was under 18 and they were waiting for her to turn 18 to bring her on to OnlyFans and they were Using Brand Army. Before that, they were.
- [316:50]
Sean Ryan
Are you fucking serious?
- [316:52]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. So they knew exactly what they're doing. It's not like a misunderstanding. This is very like, the parents that are doing it and letting their kids use Brand army are fully aware they're selling, they're sexualizing their children and profit. Desexualizing their children and profiting off it. They're fully aware of it. I didn't think I was going to get this worked up. This episode. My. My apologies.
- [317:21]
Sean Ryan
Ryan, what are you doing to take care of yourself? I worry about you, man.
- [317:27]
Ryan Montgomery
Not a lot, man. But I got some advice recently to. There's a great therapist in Texas that I was told about out who specializes in some of this specific type of stuff. And, you know, a lot of this, I feel like I compartmentalize and I'm having some physical issues I talk to you about. I don't really want to get into that here. But even if I really feel like I'm able to compartmentalize and focus on this being a good thing, and I keep convincing myself it's worth it because it's a good thing and I don't let it affect anything in my life, that's what I really believe. It's now physically proven to me that that isn't the case. It has to be subconsciously affecting me. So much so that it's becoming a problem I need to get help for. And I'm not saying that to pity me or to feel bad for me, but, you know, take many years of dealing with the most gruesome stuff that's, you know, probably worse than murder every single day. And I think anyone is going to have some type of reaction to it. If you didn't, I think there'd be something wrong with you. You. So at some point, I will seek out the right type of help. Therapy is a tough topic for me. As you know, I've owned three mental health facilities, so finding a good therapist is a little harder for me than your average person because I just. I got some internal feelings about them. And then growing up with therapists, they weren't the most trustworthy. It's like they were more my friends than they were my therapist. It's tough for me to believe anything anyone says that's a therapist, but if and when that one in Texas works out, I'll be happy to do it. And any other thing, I'll update you and I'll let you know. But, yeah, I need to take care of myself.
- [319:03]
Sean Ryan
Ryan, I want to bring this up because we've had several conversations about this last night. You were telling me stuff, and I'm not going to get specific, but it is very much affecting your life and people who are close to you that are around you, you and you know. I know, dude. Different sector, not as dark as the. That you're in, but spent a lot of time at war. I just want to tell you, man, like, I get it. I know that every time that you, You. You need to take off to get help, you think of that as there's one more child that's not going to get saved. Dude, you cannot fucking think like that. You have to take care of you because if you don't, this shit is all gonna come crashing down and then you will not be able to function and then there's gonna be a shit ton of kids that aren't gonna be saved because you're not. Right? So you have. Look, dude, you have to fucking take care of yourself. You have to go on vacations. You have to be around people that love you. You have to get. You have to get help. You have to clear your head. You have to do these things or it's not going to end well for you, man. It's not.
- [320:22]
Ryan Montgomery
I appreciate you saying that.
- [320:23]
Sean Ryan
I want to. I want to say this in front of this audience because they're going to back me up.
- [320:28]
Ryan Montgomery
Yeah. And I. And I respect you. I respect you. I know that you know what PTSD looks like. I know you know what trauma is. And if you're telling me I need it, I believe you. I take your word. Word for it. You know, it's a. There'll be a time where you get a text from me randomly and I tell you I'm doing this, I'm doing that. I'm doing. It's gonna happen. It's. It just. I push it off for long enough that. You're right. I get what you're saying. It's just so much easier for me to push it off because of the reasons you just stated. We talked about them last night. So I. I need to focus on myself because if I. Yeah. I don't even want to get into what I'm gonna say.
- [321:03]
Sean Ryan
So just start it.
- [321:05]
Ryan Montgomery
I need help.
- [321:05]
Sean Ryan
You don't do it for you.
- [321:06]
Ryan Montgomery
Something. That's what you're saying.
- [321:07]
Sean Ryan
You don't do it for you. Do it for your mom. Do it for your girl. Yeah, do it for me.
- [321:12]
Ryan Montgomery
Do it for everybody.
- [321:13]
Sean Ryan
Do it. Just fucking take care of yourself.
- [321:16]
Ryan Montgomery
I can't help anybody if I can't help myself. So I'LL keep it at that.
- [321:19]
Sean Ryan
All right?
- [321:20]
Ryan Montgomery
I will definitely get help. I appreciate that. I love you to death, and I appreciate you very much.
- [321:25]
Sean Ryan
I love you, too, brother.
- [321:26]
Ryan Montgomery
Thank you, man.
- [321:27]
Sean Ryan
I'm proud of you.
- [321:28]
Ryan Montgomery
Proud of you, too.
- [321:29]
Sean Ryan
That's an honor.
- [321:34]
Ryan Montgomery
Sam.