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Are you really buying a car online on AutoTrader right now? Really? At a playground? Yeah. Really? Look at these listings from dealers. Wow, your search can really get that specific. Really? And you just put in your info and boom, car's in your budget.
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Mom needs a second.
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Honey, you can really have it delivered. Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership.
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One sec, sweetie.
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Mommy's buying a car. I think your kid is walking up the slide again. Really?
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Auto trader.
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Buy your car online. Really?
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B
Get ready for a heavy one. I have been waiting a long time to meet this guy ever since Ryan Montgomery came on the show and told us about all the shenanigans that are going on with the game Roblox. And he brought up a gentleman that goes by the name Schlep. We kind of kicked this whole thing off and so finally got to meet him. Amazing. Amazing human being. Wouldn't expect anything less from somebody referred to me by Ryan Montgomery. But I just want to warn you, this is an extremely heavy episode, and we had to pull a couple of parts because it's not YouTube friendly, and that's not a blast to YouTube. This stuff is super heavy, man. Like, really, really heavy. And if you're a parent, you need to watch this, especially if you have a kid that's on the game Roblox. So if you want to see the uncensored version, it's on Vigilance Elite. Patreon. I will be honest. Probably 95% or more of the content, the original content is on YouTube, but there's just these small little portions that just. We can't put it out on YouTube. And here's why we can't put it out on YouTube. Because if this gets pulled down, it will be detrimental to potentially millions of kids and millions of parents who are trying to protect their kids. And we don't want to take that chance. So the meat's in there. Everything you need to know is in this episode. But if you want. If you want the real nasty stuff that's going on, it's. It's on Patreon. But with that being said, I just want to tell you my goal and Schlep's goal is just to save kids. That's what this is about. This isn't about numbers. This isn't about money. This isn't about anything but protecting kids. I think as time goes on and we see the stuff with this Epstein stuff, roadblocks, exploitation, all that kind of stuff that's going on with our children needs to be exposed. That's what we're doing. I hate to say this, but enjoy the show, Schlep.
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Pleasure to be here.
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B
Dude, I've been waiting a long time for this.
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A
I have too. I have too.
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B
So our mutual friend Ryan Montgomery told me about you in the last, in, in, in the last episode. And man, I just, I just think the world of Ryan and you know, he's, we're, we were chatting about him at breakfast and man, there just are not very many hearts in the world that are more genuine than that, guys. And he spoke very highly of you and you guys sound very similar. The most important thing is saving kids. And it's not about getting money for a fucking nonprofit. It's not about monetizing shit. It's, it's, it's from. I know 100% for sure that's true with Ryan and Brian pretty much says the same about you. So I just want to start off saying thank you for what you're doing.
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I appreciate it.
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B
How old are you? 22.
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22 years old for a 22 year
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B
old man slash kid. Sorry, but I know you're not a kid, but you're young and I just want to say, you know, for a 22 year old man to be going up against a multibillion dollar corporation just to do what's right with. Pretty sure there's no monetary value in that. You're risking a lot. That's, that's an example. I wish a lot more people would follow, especially our fucking politicians.
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A
I mean for this whole stuff that I've been doing, I mean I pretty much put my whole career online. I mean I was doing stuff totally unrelated. Like I lost revenue streams because of this stuff and I would do it again in a heartbeat. To tell parents the truth what's going on because it is so crazy. I had never seen anything in my life like this. So I really thank you for the platform to be able to speak on this and I hope a lot of parents see this and they realize they need to take their kids off of this game.
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B
Oh, a lot of parents are going to see this. A lot are going to see this. You're a good man. But before we get into the dark shit, because you are a gamer.
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A
Yeah, I am a gamer.
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B
What are your favorite games?
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Well, okay, so my, my favorite game is on Roblox and it was what I pretty much built my first channel on. I got 150,000 subscribers just playing a Roblox game. Is. You ever heard of like roller coaster tycoon? Those sort of games? Someone built that on Roblox. And it was super cool. I mean, it rivaled like games made by, you know, these studios. And it was just one guy. And I turned that into a whole career where I was making all these videos and had all these fans. I mean, it was great.
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B
You're not a Call of Duty guy.
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A
No, I'm really not.
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B
What?
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I never really got that much into like, you know, first person shooter games. I mean, I, I play some, but I not. I just, I never got into Call of Duty. Not really, dude.
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B
I did a little. We did a little collaboration with Call of Duty here recently.
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A
Oh, really?
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B
Yeah, I used to play Call of Duty all the time overseas. So I don't, I don't know if you know anything about me, but I was a SEAL and did some contract work for the agency. Spent a lot of time in like really remote shitholes. And a lot of the majority of the time you're sitting around at a base in the middle of nowhere doing nothing. So we would link our Xboxes all together. At one point, I actually lived in a fucking abandoned jail.
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A
Wow.
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And so our rooms were the jail cells. And we would. When you went in the, in the hallway, all you saw was just wires going from cell to cell to cell.
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A
Oh my gosh.
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People screaming at each other.
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A
Do this.
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Call of Duty collaboration. I'm like, oh man, this. And I had to play it. I'm like, oh, this is. I'm going to get back into this shit. So I went and I got a fucking Xbox, dude. No.
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Really?
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Yeah. I spawn. I get killed. I didn't realize I've respawned and they're already fucking killing me.
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I'm like, that's the problem I have with first person shooter games. I. I just, I suck at them.
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Okay, good.
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I'm not good at them. I'm not. I've never been good at those like really fast paced shooter games.
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B
So.
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So I'm just, I'm always dying. I'm always a person on my team that's like losing and carrying us down. So I just don't play.
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B
Maybe we should have a little tournament after this. Who's going to win? Sean or Slup in Call of Duty. But what, what are some of the, what are some of the other games? I mean, we're, we're specifically here to talk about Roblox and what you're doing to protect kids from that platform. But what are some of the other games that you know, that you're aware of that people need to watch out for with Their kids.
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VR chat is definitely one of the worst games I have ever seen in terms of predators. The reason why roblox is bad is due to the scale of how many just predators are, how many they're taking advantage. But for per user basis, VRChat has way more predators. In terms of. If you join a lobby, the chances you're going to see a predator. I mean, it's, you know, one of the first lobbies I joined on the game, there were. It was a whole group of people confronting someone for. For grooming a kid. Almost every lobby is filled with. With nude avatars. I was actually blown away by some.
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B
Hold on before. What is VR chat?
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A
Yeah, yeah, let me explain. So it's a game that's being hosted on Oculus and Steam, which are the two biggest or. Well, Steam is the biggest online gaming seller, but Oculus is hosting this game as well, which is Facebook and VRChat. Pretty much you make an account, you can be, I think, 13. That's the age on it. And when you create an account, this is something I've never seen with literally any platform, you have to go into settings to turn off inappropriate content. If you're a kid, you have to go into settings and do it.
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B
Shouldn't it be the opposite? It should be you have to go turn on inappropriate content.
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Yes, it should be. You have to turn it on, but you shouldn't even have the ability to turn it on. If you're a minor and your account is set to a minor.
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B
That's another question before we go on. When you say you have to be 13, because, I mean, you put your birthday in for every email address. Pretty much anything these days. You have to put your birthday in if you want an account. Instagram, Facebook, whatever. Right. But there's never any. I mean, I never put my birthday on anything. I'm just pick some random. You know what I mean? So is that all. Is that when you say you have to be 13, is it just type in your birthday here? Or do you actually. Is there something.
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Yeah, just put your birth. Oh, you're 13. Okay. I guess if you tell someone, oh, I'm actually 12, I'm not 13, then they'll ban you. But I mean, kids just learned, oh, don't say my age on this. Say you're 13.
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B
Okay.
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And so.
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Yeah, so there's nothing. There's nothing preventing anybody that's under 13 to get in there, as far as I'm aware of.
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Yeah, there really isn't anything.
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Yeah, as long as you can do Some simple math and figure out what year you have to have been born to be 13?
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Pretty much, yeah. I mean, I was really blown away with VRChat because, I mean, it was instantly. You would join a lobby and you would see nude avatars. And they're like the top experiences on the game just are filled with naked and nude avatars and kids can play. It's on the App Store as well, which, from my knowledge, totally breaks Apple's guidelines in terms of what is being allowed to be hosted. Yeah, I've never seen a game that, like, filled with child predators as VR chat. And it's very interesting because two of the Roblox guys, we ended up getting arrested. They were grooming kids on VRChat. One specifically, I'll talk about a little later. A video was just released. Hey, Schlepp, I caught the guy you got arrested on VRChat grooming kids. So, yeah, I mean, it's another tool that these predators are using to groom kids. I think another problem with it too, is the way VR is set up where, for instance, you know, if someone is looking at something bad on a computer, you can just walk in and see it, but when you're wearing VR goggles, you don't even know what's being displayed to your kid. So, yeah, I. That's a horrible game.
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B
I would say that's a good point. I not even thought of that.
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And that's. I've talked to parents that have had their kids victimized on it, and they're like, I had no idea this was even possible. Like, I. I watched them play it, like, right in front of me. Like, the concept of your kid could possibly be getting groomed right in front of your eyes and you can't see it. That's. That's like a really terrifying thought.
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B
What's the point of this VR? What'd you call it? VR Chat.
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VR chat.
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B
What is the point of the game?
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It's a social hangout game. So it's a game where you pretty much just like hang out, find friends. They have different mini games and stuff like that on there. They have like a community store and stuff like that that you can kind of. Kind of. It's similar to Roblox in certain aspects, but it's very different as well. But yeah, we actually almost got a guy arrested off of that game last month. He was planning on. He bought actually a bus ticket from. It was close towards where, Mexico, I think it was Brownsville, Texas. He bought a bus ticket to go to Round Rock, which was Would have been a 12 hour bus ticket. One way to meet what he thought was minor. And he said, I'm going to show up, we're going to have blah, blah, blah. And it got canceled last moment because the mom figured out, oh, hey, my son is getting on a bus ticket 12 hours away or taking a 12 hour bus ride. So yeah, I mean it's, it is so easy to find child predators on that game. And that's, that's something I'll be targeting really soon. I, I'm going to be hopefully getting some people arrested on that game.
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Yeah. So I had a couple of facts I wanted to read off to you. In 2024, the National center for Missing and Exploited Children cyber tip line received 20.5 million reports of suspected child exploitation, which equals 29.2 million separate incidents. And those reports included 62.9 million files. They also report more than 546,000 online enticement reports in 2024, which is a 192% increase compared to 2023. And in just the first first half of 2025, online enticement reports jumped from 292,000 to 518,000 year over year without manning. Until this. Here's a question. Without naming minors or exposing active investigations, what are the top kid heavy games or online spaces right now where children are most exposed to predators? And what do those spaces all have in common? Let's leave Roblox out of this one. We know Roblox is one. Give us some stuff that people don't know.
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Discord. If your kid is on Discord, take them off immediately. That in my opinion is one of the most unsafe platforms I've ever seen. I mean I was groomed on Discord as a kid. Most girls that I know that have used Discord when they were growing up, they were victimized on the platform. I would call that the modern day version of Kik, which was, you know, back in the earlyish 2010s, it was a very popular chat messaging app that, that groomed or had tons of kids that got victimized on it. That is one of the worst apps I've seen and they've gone out of their way to protect predators. I, that was what, what blew my mind. I'll talk a little bit about this later.
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What's Kik?
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Kik is a, that was an app, a chat messaging app. I mean there were so many cases related to kids being groomed and victimized. It was a, a chat message like you would, you could have group chats and Then you can move those group chats to private messaging. And I mean, it was. It was really bad. I mean, that was a go to for a lot of predators. I mean, I know people in my real life just unrelated to, you know, the work I do, they were victimized on Kik.
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So Kik VR chat, Discord.
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Yeah. And Snapchat.
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That's Snapchat.
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Snapchat initially was made to. It was a. From what I know, it was an app created to get nudes from people. It was to exchange nudes. That was the reason why it was created. And I mean, that app is involved in so many cases related to grooming. I mean, there's absolutely no reason a child should be using Snapchat. I mean, it is private messaging, you know, where you can't view it as a parent. So, yeah, that's a really horrible one. I have heard so many cases related to that. And there's also some other encrypted apps like Telegram that sometimes.
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Oh, yeah. I was more talking about stuff that's specifically made for kids, you know, like, for, like.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Candy Land.
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Yeah. You know, I just. Social media sites, there's so many problems with them as a whole. But I'd say right now, gaming stuff, it would really be Roblox, VR Chat and Discord. Discord is. Is really bad. And if your kid is on them, just take them off outright. That's how I would describe that.
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You know, before we get into this interview, I just want to. I just want to. We're going to talk about this, but I want. This is more for the audience, especially for parents and kids who are concerned about this. But, you know, we've uncovered so many things on the show here. You know, it kind of all started with Ryan Montgomery, you know, and talking about the 764 cult. And now we're talking about Roadblocks. And I just dug into Canacook, which we were chatting about at breakfast, and the thousands of kids that, you know, according to Elizabeth Phillips, have been molested there, and they put them under NDA after they reach a settlement so they can never talk about them again. But, you know, and time and time again, you know, the audience and everybody who's aware of what's going on, when these things start to get traction, it becomes this, you know, tear down the institution. And they're not wrong. I'm totally about that fucking, hey, tear it down. Like, if these people are going to cover for pedophiles, then it needs to be. It needs to be torn down immediately. But I think that, you know, but that doesn't necessarily constitute a win. And so what people need to understand is, I mean, you believe in good and evil, I'm sure, absolutely. And I believe in good and evil. And us as human beings, we're never going to destroy evil. It's just going to flow into the next thing. And so. And that is the same with predators. A lot of these people, nobody knows. I mean, nobody knows they're a predator. They don't have. They don't have a rap sheet. They've never been arrested. There's no evidence of them having that. Being a predator.
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Yeah.
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You know, being attracted to kids. And so if you. You have to kind of put your mind into the mind of how they would think and how would they think? Well, I want an occupation that I can also explore my fantasy in, you know what I mean? Undetected. And so they're going to become teachers, they're going to become camp counselors. They're going to start teaching swimming lessons. They're going to be at band, they're going to teach ballet, gymnastics, jiu jitsu, karate, soccer. All this is what they do. Because that's their passion, is exploiting and abusing kids. And so their whole life is. You see what I'm saying? And so, yeah, great. We took down an institution. Cool. We didn't get everybody inside of that institution. And so those people are just going to flow into the next thing. They're going to become your kid's soccer coach. And so, yes. Should we be taking down the institutions? Yes. But the parents and kids and in guardians, what they really need to be thinking about is these people are everywhere. They're amongst us. They could be your family members. Of course, nobody wants to think that they're. But they could be. You know what I mean? I don't know the percentage, but the majority of sexual abuse that happens is from a family member or friend. Or family friend. And so these are people that you trust. These are people that you've been around that are around you on a daily basis. And so the point I'm trying to make is you need to educate your kids. You need to have the discussions with them on what's appropriate, what's not appropriate, what needs to happen if something happens. Because I don't think enough people are having these discussions. These discussions started at my house when I was changing diapers. Nobody gets to. Nobody touches that, buddy. Anybody touches that, you tell mom or dad immediately. Babysitter, Anybody? Anybody? Nobody. Nobody has to see it, nobody touches it. That's yours and yours only, you know. And you have to ingrain that into your kids heads so that if something happens because this is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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Absolutely.
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And it's been like this for a long time because I've had so many people on the show who, I mean this show started with special operations backgrounds and life stories and I started noticing right off the bat how many adults have been abused as a child. And I'll bet it's 50% of the people that have been on here or more. Those are just the ones that have told me that a lot of them are actually in the interview. And so I just wanted to put that out to parents. Like that's great. We're taking the institutions that are doing this shit down. The ones that aren't protecting kids. Like that's great. It needs to happen. But they're the ones that haven't been caught. They're just going to go to the next place.
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Absolutely.
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And they're invisible until they have a record.
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Yeah. I'd go one step further. I think really parents, they need to build a connection with their kid where because a lot of kids now in this day and age, something will happen to them. Like they'll be, they'll send a photo they shouldn't have and a predator will try to sextort them. And parents should be the person that this kid goes to. They should feel comfortable. They should be able to actually be like, hey, I did this, I know I screwed up. But they shouldn't view it as like my life is over. You know, it shouldn't be a punishment thing in a sense they should be able to go to you because what a lot of hap happens a lot. And I've seen this so much. Kids are afraid to tell their parents anything because they think they're going to get punished. They think all their devices are going to get taken. And I mean, you know, and I do think it's some aspects that, that is kind of warranted but it will make your kid not want to say anything. And what ends up happening with like is a lot of kids, they just, they take their own lives and it's so tragic. I, it is. I, I really, the conversation that needs to be had is like if someone says something or does something to you online, you should tell me. And we, we will go get this guy together. You know, we will go to the police station, we'll make sure this guy can't hurt anyone else. Shouldn't be if someone messages you bad you're never chatting on the Internet again. Yeah, that's, that's.
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I love what you're saying there. And I, I actually do this with my kids who are toddlers, you know, but it, but you have to build the trust with your kids, you know. And so what do I, what I mean by that is, for example, a couple weeks ago, my 4 year old broke, I don't know, something that had sentimental values, like a vase or something had sentimental value to the family. And he, I saw him do it and I was hoping, I wanted to see how he react if he hid it from me or if he took ownership and immediately comes over freaked out, thinks he's in deep shit and he's like, I'm sorry I broke. And instead of being all pissed off because he broke some stupid vase that meant something to the family, I'm like, hey, good job. You know, I rewarded him, you know, and told him what a good job he did by, by taking ownership of his mistake. And so the next time he does something like that, he's hopefully, you know, going to, going to, going to, going to rely on past experience and go, I need to tell my dad that I fucked up and he's going to help me fix it.
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Yeah.
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You know, and that's the relationship that I think that people need to be building with their kids, not reprimanding them and punishing them every single time. I mean, y. Punishment is. You get what I'm, I think you get what I'm saying? So.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure, absolutely. I, I think another thing too is education is definitely so warranted with, with kids. I mean, they, they need to know that there's bad people out there that are trying to take advantage of them. And I mean, they're. The grooming that these predators do is so calculated. I mean, they have, they have actual textbooks of hundreds of pages. How they groom kids. It is so systematic. And they need to understand that there are people out there that want to hurt them, that literally want for them to kill themselves on a webcam. Like, that's, I can't even comprehend saying that myself. Cause it's like when I was a kid growing up on the Internet, there was some stuff, but it was never like what, 764 or any of these, you know, calm communities are now. And it's, it's really scary. And that conversation could literally save your child's life. I mean, that's, that's, that's how I view it. At least
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B
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I grew up in Southern California. I have two loving parents. I had a sister, she's awesome. And I was raised pretty middle class life. My both my parents worked and really I, as a kid I liked gaming. I played Minecraft a lot. But Roblox was just something that instantly grabbed my attention. I was at a friend's house.
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B
How old were you when you started gaming?
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Oh, I don't even know. I mean, I was gaming very, very young. I mean, my dad had a PlayStation and I was literally just hop on racing games and stuff like that. So gaming has always kind of been something that I had been involved with ever since I was very, very little. I don't even know how old I
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B
was when I was. So as far as you can remember?
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As far as I can remember, I've been playing video games. And yeah, I went over to a friend's house and he, his cousin was over and he was playing this game and me and my friend were just instantly like, whoa. Like, because we love Legos, we would build LEGO stuff. And this was Lego the video game. The most ultimate one where you could do anything, be anything. And we were just hooked. I mean we played all these games. We come home from school every day and we would play like these awesome war games on Roblox. We would build stuff. I mean it was really a lot of fun and I had a lot of good childhood memories on the game. But then in 2015, I caught, I think it was Mersa was what I caught. Yeah, I caught that. You see right here, this is a. I have a scar from my surgery.
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Some serious shit.
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Yeah, I was in the hospital for over a month because of it. I had a reaction to the medication they gave me. I had, I think two surgeries. It was, it was pretty scary. I was placed in the ICU for a while and I was put on all these insane medications. And you know, I had a lot of time where I couldn't go to school. So that, that was where I really started getting into Roblox a lot. And you know, before that I was kind of learning scripting a little bit, which is a, like, you know, is lua, which was the programming language language of Roblox and just like, you know, building games so I can play with my friends. But I had a lot of free time.
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How long has Roblox been?
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Around 2006.
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B
So it's been around since 06.
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Yeah, but it was a totally different platform between then and now. I mean it is. It doesn't even look recognizable. But yeah, we. I got involved really into Roblox because I got sick and I went to these conferences Roblox did around the United States. It wasn't conference. They set up booths at STEM events to show that Roblox was like an educational platform. And I helped them do that. I'm in some of the promotional footage that was used for that. But yeah, I was really into Roblox as a kid and I had a lot of time because I was in the hospital. And when I got out of the hospital, I couldn't go back to normal school because I was feeling so ill from all the medication I was on. So I had a lot of time online and that was where I met a game developer who at the time, he made my favorite game online. It was like a little mini game sort of thing. It was really cool. And we started communicating and I had talked to this guy for, for multiple years.
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B
How did you meet this guy?
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It was on a Discord server owned by Roblox employees.
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B
How old were you at the time?
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I want to say I was 12.
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B
How old was this guy?
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A
He was I believe 19, turning 20. So he was a lot older than me. Yeah, I, I met him on a Discord server that was owned by employees at Roblox. It was called the Roblox Discord. So I mean, you know, it wasn't, I guess, official in the capacity of, you know, Roblox was advertising on all their social medias, but it was owned and operated by employees at the company. And I met my abuser on there. And it started out innocent, where he let me like moderate for his community, which is a common thing you'll see with these predators, specifically Roblox. They'll give them people like kids roles and stuff so that they feel like, whoa. Like, oh my gosh, this is a cool. As a kid getting to, to moderate the coolest game you love on the site. I just, it blew my world. Like, I was like, oh my gosh. And I started noticing he would have these inappropriate conversations with me. And I like, what he would, he would talk about like masturbation and stuff like that. Like with the like a 12 year old kid.
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B
How, like, how does he bring that up to a 12 year old?
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A
I remember one instance he was in a call with another girl and I believe this girl was either 15 or 16 at the time. I'm like, what are you guys doing? And he's like, oh, we're like masturbating in calls together and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, ew, that's gross. And then he was trying to explain to me how that was a good thing.
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B
And like, how would he say it's
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a good thing, normal thing, that maybe that's the right way to put it. That's, that's how he was trying to, he was trying to normalize that sort of like weird, gross, degenerate behavior to me. But it progressively got worse. I noticed he started having this obsession, or he probably always did, but he started showing it more and more with Mass Shooters.
- [37:15]
B
I want you to be just a little bit more descriptive if you can, and here's why. Because a lot of parents are watching this and a lot of parents are then gonna watch this with their kids. And a lot of kids are gonna watch this. And so when you talk about the progression of how it happened, if they hear how it happened, then they'll be able to recognize when it's happening to them.
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A
Yeah, yeah. I mean like the conversations, they started out normal and it went on normal for a while. But as time progressed, he began getting more and more like, just open with how he would communicate with me. Like, he would talk more graphic. Like you would talk about like, and like, and stuff like that with me. And I, I didn't recognize the behavioral difference in that because, I mean, I was a kid, nobody had ever talked to me like that.
- [38:15]
B
How did that make you feel?
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A
Very uncomfortable. Very, very uncomfortable. I, I, I remember saying that in messages and the first relationship he was in, I couldn't recognize like what a predator was. I never even knew what a predator was at this time. I mean, the most I had seen was like Chris Hansen, To Catch a Predator. But I thought it was a prank show. You know, I didn't think it was actual. Like, I couldn't understand it, and I remember there was one conversation he had with me because he was in a relationship, he clearly shouldn't have been with this girl where he said, hey, is this relationship between a 15 year old and a 19 year old? I believe that's what he said. Is that okay? And I was like, oh yeah. My parents say they got a, you know, my parents have a larger age gap than that. You know, my parents, they met when my mom was 30, you know, so I, I couldn't recognize that stuff. But that stuff, if like I had known a little more, like maybe I could have like.
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B
They manipulate you.
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A
Yeah, I mean, that's what it was like. It was, it was, I don't think I have like even now met someone so manipulative. I, it was, it was insane. Like, the people that, like, I know that were also victimized by this guy also say the exact same stuff. I mean, he was such a manipulator, he would try to get anybody to do whatever he felt necessary. But yeah, I mean, as, as it continued with these conversations, he, he would show me like gore, which was like, you know, I was a child. I, I, it was that, that was like probably some of the most traumatic, like things for a kid to see. I mean, here, I, let me, let me actually show you. I, I have some stuff on my laptop, some of the messages. Let me pull this up real quick. Okay, so you can see this here, this is, I, I believe I was either 14 or 15 here. This is the Christchurch shooting. And he, he sent me, this is a girl dead in the street. He made me watch this shooting in full on discord. And he, he actually, I remember specifically, he, he made me have to screen share that I was watching because I was like, I'm not gonna watch this, I'm not, he's like, turn on your screen share or I'm banning you from all your stuff. And he also had my information which I had accidentally leaked.
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B
And he was like, pull that out of you. He.
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A
So I think what happened here, I, I think I have an image of it. Um, yeah. Oh, okay, here, here it is. So I had, he was like, I don't believe you're actually the age you are. And I mean, I'm just such a stupid kid looking back, like, why did I do this?
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B
But, cause you're 12, that's why you did it.
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A
That's why I did this. But yeah, I mean, here was him, how old was I? This is 2016. So this is him threatening to put my ID on his banner on his Roblox account or Twitter account. And he's threatening to do it. Is that. Don't do it. Is that a challenge? I mean that was the messages he was writing to me as a kid. And he would constantly threaten to publish my information to contact my family members. You know, it was really, really traumatic and I didn't know how to get away. As time continued, he started grooming more and more kids. I have one more thing too. This one is pretty bad. This was a girl he groomed. Here you go. So he had made this girl like she was self harmed. She self harmed because of the grooming and abuse this guy was putting her through. She had stuck a pin through one hand side, out the other. And I remember and I didn't understand it because it's hard for me to convey because it like looking back, it's like this was so obvious, but it was not obvious to me. I. That girl. In specifics, he instructed this girl to lie about her age to everyone online. And it's so disgusting. I mean it. She, she actually dropped out of high school early because of the abuse that she was suffered because of this guy. She had to go back and redo stuff. She, she had to deal with a lot of harassment and, and just, I mean it was, it was horrific.
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B
How did it get to that point? Send images of herself?
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Pretty much what, what had happened was someone had joined his community on RO or like he joined his Discord server. He got that was linked directly on Roblox and she had, she was a vulnerable girl that he saw that he could take advantage of and he manipulated this mentally ill girl into doing a lot of horrible stuff. And she was on, she started taking medication because of her depression and then she was manipulated to keep taking it. And I mean it was so disturbing. It was so gross. And she had tried to get away from this guy and she was like, I can't be with you because of the age gap. And he was begging this girl to continue to be in a relationship with her. And I didn't know a lot of this was going on because he had instructed everybody you talk to that you are an adult, you aren't the age you actually are. So when I found out that she was actually the same or I think she was a year older than me, I was. This had happened twice with two different girls he had groomed. And it actually screwed with my perception of age because it was people I had viewed as adults were actually like friends. They were the same age as me. And it was like, it really Screwed with my perception of age. Like, these people that I thought I was having conversations with that were adults, they were kids the same age as me. Yeah, it was really horrible. It was. I mean, it's something I still have kind of a hard time talking about in full capacity, but it led me.
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B
Are you willing to go a little bit deeper?
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A
I mean, that's pretty much the gist of a lot of it. I mean, he would send me a lot of. And he would show me a lot of gore and he was just obsessed with mass shooters. But, I mean, that was pretty much the gist of it. What ended up happening, though? Me and a friend had figured out a lot of what this dude had done. He would make kids strip on Discord calls. Multiple. He. He would make kids piss themselves on. On Discord calls.
- [45:52]
B
Did you ever have to do anything like that?
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A
I never sent him any nudes or anything like that, but he. He did.
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B
He asked.
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A
He would have very inappropriate conversations with me. He. He would ask me about, like. Like just really weird questions, like about body hair and. And masturbation and like, oh, what type of do you watch? Like, that sort of stuff. And it was definitely something that just. I didn't understand.
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B
So he's planting seeds in your head that you don't even know exist yet as a kid.
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A
Yeah.
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B
To spark the curiosity so that you go and find that, hoping that it hurts your mind. And then you come to him and then he's in.
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I think so. And I think one thing too was he. He would use, like, material curated for kids. Like there was this one show, some friends TV show, and it was kind of like an adult comedy, but it would. It actually like, teached like, about like. Like fetishes and stuff like that. I forgot the name of it, but I mean, he. He intentionally showed that to me and. And some other kids to teach us about stuff. I mean, that was it. There's actually a concept which I'll talk about a little later when it comes to these Roblox predators, but it's called epi. It's called early introduction. And it's what a lot of these predators do is they get off on the idea of turning children into porn addicts. Like, they. There. There's stuff I'll show later. Like they have whole, like, diagrams and like, stuff that they use to try to get kids into a pipeline. So that. And they get off on the idea of turning children into addicts so that they become like them. And a lot of the stuff he was doing really aligned with. With A lot of that sort of stuff that related to that. But pretty much all this abuse culminated in a suicide attempt. This was after me and a friend had figured out about all this stuff.
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B
Your suicide attempt?
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A
Yeah, I had a suicide attempt because.
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B
How old were you?
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A
15. I was 15.
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B
15 years old?
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A
Yes. Yeah, I was, I was 15 years old and. It's. Man. Yeah, I, I had pretty much what, what had happened is I, I figured out with a friend what was going on and we, we just destroyed his whole Discord server and Denny was threatening and all of that and I just, I couldn't take it. I made an attempt and how did
- [48:44]
B
you, how were you going to do it?
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A
I had pills that I was going to take. I had a lot of pills and called up my mom. I'm like, I need to go to the hospital right now. She took me to a mental health hospital. While I was in the hospital, my mom was piecing together everything that had happened back at home. Shit. Yeah.
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B
Bit 15.
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A
Yeah. I mean, let me clarify one thing too. This person that had did this to me, he was a developer on roblox that was featured in brand material all across the platform. He was featured in television ads that would play on Cartoon Network. His little toy, they were selling all across the United States. And this was the same guy that was not only blackmailing me, that was grooming me and exposing me to most heinous material. I mean the Christchurch shooting was. I had nightmare. I couldn't sleep. I literally could not sleep at night. And yeah, I mean I made an attempt and while I was in the hospital, my mom pieced together what was going on. She made an email to Roblox and Roblox pretty much brushed her off. They, they had, for one, I think they just like responded back with the suicide hotline. And then she said she wrote something else and I guess she might, I think she said she got in a call with someone at Roblox and they're just like, we can't do anything. You know, it's not, it's not, we can't do anything.
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B
Did they know it's their developer?
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A
As far as I know, yes. I. And that, that, that's, I mean I, I have.
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B
So they know that one of their developers is the one that is exploiting kids and they respond and then you have a 15 year old kid who tries to kill himself because of this fucking developer and their response is a suicide hotline and there's nothing we can do.
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A
When I told Roblox about all this and why I do the work I did. That's what they emailed me back with. Like I, I told them while I was getting these people arrested, I, I'm doing this because I was victimized. And they responded with the suicide hotline number. So yeah, I mean that's, holy shit, pretty much how he had, what, what ended up happening to him. A victim of his went to Roblox and they were a high profile person on the platform at that time and said that hey, this person was not only leaking NDA material between the company and this guy, which I believe it was event related stuff, which I mean that, I mean that's the highest NDA stuff at least from my understanding as a developer you could have. But it was, this guy was abusing me and doing all this other horrible, horrible stuff. They had just terminated them off the platform and there a lot of people were confused online because this was a huge developer who just vanished and there was no save from Roblox on any of it. I had talked to people who were still in communication with this developer just to keep tabs on him, see what he was doing. And pretty much Roblox got this guy into a call and said, hey, why did you do this? And he was like, I'm going to get my attorneys involved. And he Roblox into the call and then just terminated all of his accounts. That's what I was told by a third party. So I don't know how accurate that is. But he was eventually banned, which in the timeframe it took for him to get banned. And from my situation I had been fighting tooth and nail to get this guy removed off the platform. I was reaching out to massive content creators like Reuben Sim, who I'll be talking about a little later to see if there's anything that could be done. And I mean I tried everything and I couldn't do anything and just, it eventually came out what this guy had done. And yeah, it was, it was brutal. And I mean this is, these are the type of people that Roblox has protected in, in the, you know, in the grand scheme of things.
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B
Is that the first time that your parents found out about it was your suicide attempt?
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A
Yes. And, and even after that I was kind of like, I was telling them bits and pieces but I wasn't telling them the entire thing until I got a little bit older.
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B
What kind of bits and pieces?
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A
I like, I told him that this guy was like sending me, but I wasn't telling him that this guy was exposing me to traumatic mass suicide or mass shooting. Gore and just like how I was having still anxiety and just really depressed and I bottled a lot of it up for a while and I wish I went to my parents sooner about all of it. And I think that's.
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B
What do you think the point of the mass shootings in Gore was?
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A
I think that these people genuinely are evil and they believe in chaos.
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B
Do you think it's a satanic cult?
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A
I don't know about him in particular, but I just know that these people are genuinely evil and they sympathize with evil and they believe in evil. And that's why he was attracted to evil. Be it kids, be it mass shootings. I mean it was really, really like one of the most sick individuals. He was the most sick individual I'd ever met in my life. And he was in brands, he was in toys that were being sold all across America.
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B
This just. I just want to circle back to what we just talked about at the very beginning of this show.
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A
Yeah.
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B
These people are everywhere.
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A
Yep.
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B
And they find the occupations where they get access to kids.
- [55:05]
A
Yep.
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B
Here's probably some kind of a world renowned developer engineer that's working on what wound up being probably the most successful kids game in the history of the world. And that's where he's at. Why? Because he wants to target kids. And so he put himself in a position where it makes it easy as hell to target kids.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it worked.
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A
I mean, he really threw out a lot of stuff to groom kids. I mean, before he got banned, he made one of the most technologically advanced games that the website had ever seen. And it blew people's minds. He had spent so long working on it. And the reason why he made that was because out of a fit of rage and depression after grooming a kid and in the fear of being caught because a developer had kind of known about this. He had made this incredible game and he had a lot to lose and kept doing it. And I mean it.
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B
Now when you say developer, also, is this a developer that is being paid by Roblox? He's within the organization, so I probably should preface this.
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A
So Roblox has actual staff at their company and then they also have developers on the site who I guess kind of are contractors. I mean, they make games, they have to sign a contract to be able to exchange the Roblox currency into real life money. So yeah, I mean he was. But him in particular.
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B
So he is on the payroll.
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A
He was a contractor for Roblox.
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B
He is getting paychecks from the company specifically.
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A
Yeah. Because he had toys of his character that were being sold and merchandised by Roblox that were in ads placed on television. You know, these.
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B
He's a face of it.
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A
He. He was a face of Roblox. He was a face of Roblox. Yes. And it's really sad too. A lot of people don't know why he was banned.
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B
What's his name?
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A
Should I name him?
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C
No.
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A
No. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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C
Litigation against.
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B
Yeah, this guy is threatening litigation.
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A
He had a lawsuit against me in Ireland over it. And maybe that's the answer to the
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C
question of what's his name is. I don't want to, to name him
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A
here because he's already threatening the litigation.
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B
Okay, hold on. How. The. What, what litigation?
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A
He, he threatened a lot? No, he, he created a lawsuit against me in Ireland. Like. Yeah, the whole lawsuit for what? He says he was blackmailed by it by one of these victims, which.
- [57:59]
B
The victim blackmailed the victim by his victim. What the fuck does that even mean?
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A
If you read the lawsuit, it literally confirms he's a pedophile. I mean, that's, that's the crazy part about it, but. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that, that's how crazy this stuff is, man. That's, that's, that's really all I have to say about it. But I, Yeah, I was viciously groomed by this predator and I mean, he, he still goes after and tries to harass me.
- [58:29]
B
Has there been any repercussions? Is this just roaming around free?
- [58:34]
A
Yeah, and he was actually making new Roblox accounts as of 2023. And Roblox didn't care.
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B
Roblox didn't care.
- [58:42]
A
I was the one who had to blow the whistle on it. I have to keep track of their pedophiles. That. That's how crazy this is.
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B
So nothing's happened to this guy?
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A
Nope, nothing has happened. A lot of victims who really deserve justice, ones who dropped out of school.
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B
Does anybody mention this guy's name?
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A
Everyone's afraid they're going to get sued by this guy because Roblox gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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B
If you give me the name, can I put it out?
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A
Sure. I mean, could he put it out? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll give you his full name.
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B
Perfect.
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A
Yeah, I, Yeah, I mean. And you know, all the claims I have against him, I have everything documented. His accounts are still on Discord. I have him sending me when I was a minor. I have him talking about how, you know, asking a. I believe it was either 11 or 12 year old. Hey, should I be in a relationship that I clearly shouldn't be in. I have him sending me, you know, just the most horrific stuff. So, I mean, if he ever wants to try something at me, discovery will be very interesting. I will say that I can't believe
- [60:02]
B
this fucking guy is still out there.
- [60:04]
A
Yep. And just to think, Roblox, rather than sending him the cease and desist, who's still re accessing the platform, they sent me the cease and desist.
- [60:15]
B
You've got to be kidding me.
- [60:17]
A
Yeah, and my abuser was harassing me with money that he had gained from Roblox. Yeah.
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B
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A
Hi, I'm Sarah Adams, the host of Vigilance Elite's the Watch Floor, where we highlight what matters. It became a permissive state, Explain to you why it matters, and then aim to leave you feeling better informed than you were before you hit play. Terrorists, hostile intelligence agencies, organized crime. Not everything is urgent. But this show will focus on what is need to know, not just what is nice to know.
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B
All right, slip. We're back from the break. Man, I. So your attorney's not going to be in here for this one? He's outside because my attorney's calling him because And I want my attorney to have full visibility onto who this guy is and the whole story. Because if I get the cleared hot, which I probably will, he's going to be way more famous than Roblox ever made him. Where is he? Ireland.
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A
Ireland.
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B
Ireland. I would imagine most Irish people don't like pedophiles.
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A
This guy's.
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B
Your dad's out there.
- [63:15]
A
Yeah.
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B
He's getting emotional because he said that he hadn't. He. He has never even heard you mention this fucker's name. Yeah, we got you, dude. I hate these fucking people and I will stop at nothing to fucking get them. I fucking hate him.
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A
It's definitely something that he's still doing this shit. He was back on road. He was back on Roblox in 2023. I can't even comprehend the idea he was making games again on the platform
- [63:47]
B
and they're aware of this shit.
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A
I don't know if they're aware of this, but I will say they allowed him to come back and make games and I had to stick my own neck out there to make sure that this guy was gone for good. I mean, that's the thing about it. That's why I'm so passionate about the stuff I do. Because, I mean, it is something that really hurt me. And we'll talk about it later, but I mean, being able to get people arrested was my form of therapy. It was my form of, like, I would get someone arrested and then I get an email from a kid and they'd be like, you got my groomer arrested. There is no other form of satisfaction greater than that. That was more healing to the abuse that I went through. Because I know I'd give anything for someone to do that for me. I could not. Sorry.
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B
Come here, my friend.
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A
Come here, dude. Appreciate it. I would give anything for that to happen to me. I know those victims that went through that horrible stuff alongside me would give anything for that to happen. And really what I was trying to figure out and this whole Roblox stuff was why they didn't care. They didn't care about me. They didn't care about any of the victims who suffered horrible, horrible abuse. And the current victims that are. Have been subjected to so, so much worse. So much worse. Like kidnappings. I'm going to read you some of these stories, honestly. Would you like to see some of them?
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B
Yeah, let's, let's, let's take a look
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A
at some of these. Because these are just some of the most disgusting things you will ever hear. Let me see. So there's this kid, his name was Ethan Dallas. You can see right here. He on Roblox. He. Here, wait, let me show this photo. This is a better one. This here is Ethan Dallas. He, while playing Roblox, met this piece of shit pedophile right here. He had thwarted this kid viciously. I mean he, he had to live with this for, from my understanding, a long time. Like he, he had to suffer this abuse and he had finally come out to his parents about it. And due to all the abuse and this guy, he ended up taking his own life. His parents are the first wrongful death lawsuit that has been filed against Roblox. They have a wonderful foundation.
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B
The first.
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A
The first, yeah.
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B
How many are there?
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A
I don't know as of this moment, but I'd assume there's a lot that's going to be coming. I know there's a lot of kids who have taken their own lives because of Roblox.
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B
What would your estimation be? Tension? Hundreds.
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A
I'll tell you this. Within this year. So it's. What day is it? It is February 5th. Six kids have been missing or found because of Roblox. That, that's being reported. I can actually go through these with you. Let's. So this here is Thomas Medlin. They're currently still searching for him. Innocent kid. I spoke with his dad and he seemed like a wonderful, wonderful kid. He was very smart. He went missing on, I believe, January 6th. He has been missing ever since. He took a train to New York City. His phone last pinged on the Brooklyn Bridge. He told his friends from school that he was going to meet someone off of Roblox.
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B
Holy shit.
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A
This is one.
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B
How old is that kid?
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I believe he was 15. I wanna say this here is a boy with intellectual disability who was lured off of Roblox to San Diego, lived in Philadelphia. I don't know if he got to Philadelphia, but there was a, they were trying to look for him. He, he was found, thankfully.
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B
Where was he found?
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A
I, I'm not exactly sure the exact location, but he, he was found.
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B
What condition?
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A
I, I, I'm not exactly sure. I don't know if they've released the condition or how, but they, they found this kid and he, he, he was lured off of Roblox. These are two sisters in Mexico who were lured off of Roblox. They, they were luckily found very gratefully and they seem to be in good condition. But they were lured off the platform by a predator. And just this week, this week, this piece of pedophile tried to lure or no, he, he drove, get this, 23 hours to pick up these two kids. Right. Or I don't know if I have a photo to pick up two kids. And he, he, he abducted them from their home. Georgia State Patrol found him driving in the car that they put out. I guess a Amber alert about found the two girls from Roblox.
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B
Holy.
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A
These are only 20, 26 so far. If we just go off of how January went, that's going to be. I think I did. It would be 46 kids by the end of the year. And these are only the what is being reported to be Roblox and only
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B
in the U.S. only in the U.S.
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A
well, there was one in Mexico. Yeah, but
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B
that doesn't count. All the kids that are exploited. The seven, four. And it's going to snowball. Just going to get bigger, bigger, bigger,
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A
bigger, bigger and bigger and bigger.
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B
And here, how many years were you enduring that kind of abuse?
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A
Three years.
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B
Three years.
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A
Three years of abuse. And it just got progressively worse and worse and worse.
- [70:57]
B
With times it started at 12.
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A
Yeah. And he was still trying to contact me even after my suicide attempt. I mean he was contacting me through Roblox like the, the developer forum thing. I mean he was doing everything and I had to send messages to him like I want nothing to do with you anymore. Like that was what I was saying. And he was still contacting me.
- [71:24]
B
Holy shit.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I mean I. Let me read you one of these cases because I, I think really these. Nobody reads the actual like you hear lawsuit filed, but nobody reads what these lawsuits have. And if I had known one of these lawsuits or anything, I. You would take your kids off of this game instantaneously. Okay. Plaintiff is a young girl who was exploited by a known predator through defendants platform Roblox and Discord. So they're both being sued. Roblox and Discord defendants unsafe and defectively designed products enabled the predator to access and groom and victimize plaintiff. Plaintiff was a 10 year old girl when she first started playing Roblox at relevant times. Plaintiff's grandmother had sole custody of plaintiff. Plaintiff's grandmother next friend believed that Roblox was safe for kids. So all the people involved, they thought Roblox was a safe game. It's advertised as safe. I mean the marketing is for parents. This game is safe. There's nothing bad on here. Let's see. While playing Roblox with her cousins in or About May of 2022, an adult predator initiated contact with plaintiff, a then 11 year old through Roblox's chat function. The predator falsely claimed to be a 13 year old boy. A misrepresentation felt facilitated by Roblox's lack of age identity verification and exploited her age and vulnerability to build a false emotional connection with them. The Predator was In fact a 26 year old man who was listed on the public offender registry following a conviction for online solicitation of a minor. At time he initiated contact throughout the relevant period, the predator was on probation.
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B
Holy shit.
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A
The predator used Roblox's communication features to groom plaintiff and promptly directed her to Discord where he instructed plaintiff on how to conceal their communications from her family. Discord defaultly is easily accessible private messaging app that allows predators to escalate grooming. Shortly after luring the plaintiff to Discord, the predator intensified the grooming and began sending plaintiff nude photographs. The predator then coerced plaintiff to send explicit images of herself. Discord's reporting system failed to detect, block or remove any of the predator's accounts in a timely manner. On or about 2022, plaintiff was at home under supervision of her great grandparents. The predator coached the plaintiff how to sneak out. Plaintiff then left her grandparents house and met predator in person. He abducted her, bound her hands with a leather belt and her multiple times including vaginal intercourse. He then returned home and instructed her to lie about the assault. Thereafter, the predator continued to communicate with plaintiff on or about following 2022. Discord communication with predator. Predator waited outside of aunt's home. Plaintiff scaled the fence to meet him and then he abducted her again. Plaintiff did not have her phone leaving her family no way to locate her. Plaintiff's family then grew concerned about her disappearance and contacted law enforcement. Plaintiff's family turned over her devices to the FBI and they. I guess they ended up finding out who this was. Wow. I believe in this. She. She was in. She got pregnant off of the Predator.
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B
Oh my gosh.
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A
Let me. Let me double check. Yeah. Okay. Here. Assault examination confirmed the assaults with DNA matching Predator. It was revealed that the predator had impregnated plaintiff during one of the assaults. Plaintiff's grandmother was informed by health professionals that as an 11 year old girl weighing less than 90 pounds the pregnancy put the plaintiff's life in jeopardy. Fearing the plaintiff's, her grandmother drove her to New Mexico where the plaintiff underwent an abortion. This is Roblox. This is the kids game. She met someone off of the game, got brutally raped multiple times and had to have an abortion because of the child predator. She met off this an 11 year old girl. An 11 year old. I Have one more I'd like to read for you because this one is horrible. Plaintiff is a 15 year old girl who was an avid Roblox user. She was horrifically and traumatically manipulated, groomed, exploited and abused by a violent, depraved predator who posed as a fellow minor through Defendant's Dangerous app, which enabled and facilitated this predator's heinous crimes. As a result of Defendant's reckless disregard for child safety. Plaintiff was approximately 10 years old when she began playing Roblox. Plaintiff's mother trusted that Roblox was a safe place. Place because they advertise this. They tell parents it's education.
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B
How do they. Can you show me? Let's finish this.
- [77:25]
A
Yeah.
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B
Then I want to see how they advertise.
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A
Oh, absolutely. One of the quotes from the CEO is, roblox is the safest platform for anyone on the Internet.
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B
Are you serious?
- [77:37]
A
Of any age. Yes. That is a quote from David Bouzucki, CEO. He gave on. That is what they're telling parents. Safest platform on the Internet for anyone of any age. Based on the misleading and dangerous. Inadequate. From plaintiff's mother. Wait here. Actually, let me. Okay. Around July 2020, the plaintiff was a vulnerable 10 year old when she was targeted on Roblox by a Predator who deliberately posed as a fellow minor to exploit Plaintiff's age and vulnerability. The predator methodically cultivated a false emotional connection with plaintiff by promising friendship and connection. When the predator learned of plaintiff's true age rather than any contact, he explicitly told Plaintiff that he didn't care that she was 10 years old. The predator continued to foster an emotional and manipulative relationship with Plaintiff through Defendant's chat messaging feature, which roblox designed to allow unrestricted private communications between users regardless of age.
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B
What?
- [78:42]
A
What?
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B
Why would you. Why would you make a encrypted private messenger on a fucking game that is meant for kids?
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A
I have no idea.
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B
Why the fuck would you do that?
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A
You know what's shocking? All you have to do to wipe all the communication you have with someone is unfriend them. So that's what a lot of predators do. They have all these messages on Roblox built with their victims. They get caught or whatever, they hit unfriend, you can't access it anymore. The only way you could, at least as far as I know, is a subpoena. So, I mean, that's. That's insane. I mean, that. That's something that I've heard from detectives that they think Roblox should fix. They've told this To Roblox.
- [79:23]
B
Hey, Roblox communication team that's been in touch with us.
- [79:26]
A
Why do checks?
- [79:27]
B
There you fucking go.
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A
Why do chat?
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B
Wanna fix your platform? That would be a good fucking step. Yep, a real good fucking step. Why the fuck do you have private messaging capabilities on a fucking game that is meant for kids? Why the fuck would you do that?
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A
The Predator eventually coerced plaintiff into sending nudes. A few months later, after successfully conditioning plaintiff through months of grooming and manipulation, the Predator convinced plaintiff to meet him in person. In October of 2020, when plaintiff was only 10 years old, the Predator coerced plaintiff to meet in person. Plaintiff, believing that she was meeting someone she could trust, snuck out of her home in the middle of the night. The Predator transported plaintiff to a local motel where she was trafficked and violently by five men, including the Predator. Two of these people were never caught. Two of them. This is one of the lawsuits, only one of the lawsuits that are filed against Roblox, a 10 year old was by five men that they met off of that app. Two were never caught. They describe it as carefully orchestrated, this whole abduction. This is what Predators are doing on this app. I'm going to read to you some of the quotes that these executives at Roblox, they've been telling parents. So this here is Tammy Bamick. She's a Roblox VP of Civility and partnerships. And also just something interesting to note about her. She serves on the board of multiple child safety boards while working for Roblox. That's a huge conflict of interest. You're working for the company under legal scrutiny. Why are you like these? These are supposed to be organizations dedicated to, to regulating roadblocks. But she's.
- [81:26]
B
Say that, say that one more time. Let me see.
- [81:28]
A
Tammy Bomick and she, she's actually mentioned in a lot of these lawsuits for this exact reason. So read that quote she said here.
- [81:38]
B
This is Tammy Bomick, Roblox VP of Civility and Partnerships.
- [81:45]
A
Yep.
- [81:46]
B
A lot of the negative in quotes, a lot of the negative press has come from things that have happened five years ago.
- [81:55]
A
So does that mean it's not relevant that 10 year old was 5 years ago and who. Tammy Bomek said that and she works for civility and safety at Roblox or Civility and Partnerships. And there's so many things, I mean for one, just. That's a whole thing to get into. For one that's not even true. A lot of the situations making headlines, they have happened within the last month.
- [82:23]
B
You just brought up Six this year.
- [82:24]
A
That happened this month, this in the
- [82:27]
B
last, literally this month. It's only what, February?
- [82:30]
A
Yeah. All those situations that just happened within the last month. So that's what Roblox, that's how they're trying to downplay this to parents. That's how they're trying to manipulate parents into staying on the platform. The CEO of Roblox, Roblox CEO says Predators are an opportunity to improve moderation. And now let me preface this. He meant this in the capacity of, you know, try to improve safety. But how can you view a situation where a 10 year old gets violently by five men as an opportunity? I mean that is a total failure. Your platform failed at its job and they view this as an opportunity and they actually went as far as to double down on that. Matt Kaufman was pretty much saying, let's see. Pretty much saying. One thing I find interesting about Roblox and that people don't always think about Roblox is that there are no billboards when you drive up and down the highway. We don't have a Super bowl commercial. Our growth is driven by word of mouth. It's driven by trust of parents and families. When you talk about growth, when you look at safety, safety is a real driver for growth for the company. So they're not even looking at this from a perspective of these are children that are being brutally raped and molested. They're viewing it as a way we need to grow our company more. That's how disconnected this all is feels. They have never put out a statement about any of these victims that has had any genuineness like we really care about what's going on. We really, really are, you know, are heartbroken about, you know, all these lawsuits that are being filed against her company. From what my attorneys have told me, Roblox has never even asked about how any of these victims are doing. Like is that, that's the craziest thing. Roblox CEO says, keep your kids off of Roblox if you're worried that that's how he views it. Keep your kids off of this game if you're worried.
- [84:50]
B
I can't even, I can't stop thinking about that 10 year old girl.
- [84:58]
A
Check this out. So this here is Matt Kaufman. He is the chief safety officer at Roblox. I'm going to talk about this in a minute, but this guy here, he put out a statement after my whole situation with Roblox where he compared me to child predators. He said, similar to actual predators, the work that me and my team have done Getting these child predators convicted is similar to child predators. That. That was what this person said here. But anyways, check out this, check this out.
- [85:31]
B
We'll put this up on. Put this up on. On screen here.
- [85:36]
A
We make sure that adults cannot check. Cannot communicate with minors. Can you guarantee that that won't happen with a car with a bumper and the airbag and all of those things? Can the car guarantee that you're 100% safe?
- [85:50]
B
No, I wouldn't put a child behind
- [85:51]
A
a wheel of a car though. These systems are constantly being improved. No system is ever 100% perfect. But we are committed to going above and beyond what is being asked for us to do to make the platform safe. The thing with cars is they're regulated. You know, that's the thing about cars. If you make a car that kills a ton of people, guess what happens?
- [86:17]
B
You get sued.
- [86:18]
A
Exactly. Exactly.
- [86:21]
B
This is fucking crazy.
- [86:23]
A
Mm.
- [86:23]
B
This is fucking crazy.
- [86:25]
A
Yep.
- [86:26]
B
Tell me about. I can't even fucking think anymore.
- [86:31]
A
I know. I'm sorry. I just.
- [86:33]
B
This is the world I've created for myself is going after this kind of shit and I just have to learn how to fucking deal with it. But. Oh man, tell me, you know, tell me more. I just need a break.
- [86:49]
A
Yeah.
- [86:49]
B
Just for two seconds. On. On the one. On. On. On the carnage in the ing. 10 year old girl, man. There's a 10 year old girl.
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A
I read you two lawsuits. There's a hundred of them that are filed. Anyone can read. Yeah, I. I totally agree.
- [87:08]
B
We've talked about how they make. How. How it's easy to find, isolate and exploit kids in the game through the private messaging app.
- [87:17]
A
Yep.
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B
Is there any other things that make it easy? Yeah, I mean, how do you interact? Maybe I should just play the fucking game so I can get a. So I can get an actual.
- [87:28]
A
Do you want to play right now? I can pull it up.
- [87:31]
B
Yeah, but I'm. I do. One second. But then on top of that content, slash. So they had in Epstein Island P. Diddy Games, Adopt Me, Dow House Role Play, Condo Games, Biggie island was up for four days. Then Roblox took it down. So. And violent extremist content like I guess there was a what reenactment of the Charlie Kirk assassination? Yes, on the game. I mean how does this show.
- [88:06]
A
There's also on Roblox, I'm gonna have you play some of the games. Mass shooting recreations to. I mean it is exact one to one of real life tragedies. I mean for instance, the rob.
- [88:22]
B
And this is for kids. Yeah, go ahead. The.
- [88:26]
A
The Rob elementary school shooting. Yeah, that was. That's a game I'm gonna. I don't want to get ahead of myself. There's. You're gonna. I mean, it's. It's incredible. It's on the platform.
- [88:37]
B
All right, it. Let's, let's. All right, do this. Let's do it.
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A
Should I probably, like, before I give you this, like, explain a little bit why I can't play Roblox Because I haven't even touched the cease and desist letters or anything that this company has sent me. So. Okay, I guess I'll start here. After all the stuff that happened to me as a kid, I. I just started making like, I had a lot of friends in the community, so I still stayed on the platform. I created normal Roblox gaming videos and I was getting messages about child predators. And it blew my mind because this was the most innocent game you can even think of. It was that thing I was talking about at the start, that game I really liked. I was so shocked that there was even child predators on that. So I started, I made a new channel where I talked about a lot of these predators and horrible people in the community and a lot of the news and drama that was going on. And I eventually started going ahead and exposing these darker communities on the platform after I was just finding them on my own free time. And I started making little Chris Hansen catches on the game where I'd dress up in his avatar and confront these people on the game. And then I got in touch with a predator catcher and he showed me how to predator catch. And I researched the laws. And within 10 months, me and my team got six child predators within the Roblox community arrested. We would find these people in Roblox Discord servers and they would pretty much be trying to see the most vile stuff possible. And we could be like, oh, I live like 30 minutes from you. And guess what? They're trying to arrange a real life meetup. We were never with the predators. The predators had to be with us because there's a whole list of things like coercion and, you know, you have to do it strictly by the book. And we would go ahead and talk to these predators and we would just be an innocent young girl who knew nothing about any of these people. And we caught six child predators. Two are now convicted within the Roblox community. Here I can show you just a few clips that I got from them. Okay, so this here is Amori Hunt. He is now a defender in Florida this was actually cited in Florida's attorney general lawsuit against Roblox because they mentioned my whole situation and this conviction. This is him explaining. I'll let the video play for itself here. You can watch it.
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B
Hey, what's up? So we're here with your Roblox developer, right?
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A
Hello. Yep.
- [91:29]
B
We're about to do the wife on his phone. We're gonna get rid of the child on your phone, Right?
- [91:35]
A
Okay. How many. How many images do you think we have to get rid of child phone?
- [91:38]
B
About like 30 or 40. Okay.
- [91:41]
A
And what's the game coming out that
- [91:42]
B
you got on Roblox soon? Hell, yeah. We're gonna fucking.
- [91:45]
A
We're gonna make this game successful. He was what, he was arrested on three counts of child.
- [91:51]
B
What the fuck was that video from?
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A
That was a predator who attempted to communicate with what he thought was a kid. He. I ended up talking to him, and pretty much we couldn't arrange a meet because he wasn't telling his actual location. And I ended up talking to him, and I was like, hey, I know some people who travel the country, and they. They. If you just tell them everything that you told me, they can help you and get you. Get you resources, you know? I showed up in person, told resources
- [92:24]
B
to clean his devices.
- [92:26]
A
He wanted to get mental help or whatever for looking and talking to children. And I was like, sure, here's. And that was a predator catcher. He showed up in person to meet. He was convicted on three counts of child.
- [92:43]
B
Holy shit.
- [92:45]
A
Yeah. And then let me show you this one. This here is. This here is Donald Boomgarn. He is convicted. He's going to be sentenced pretty soon. He was a child predator messaging one of our decoy accounts on Roblox Discord server. And when he showed up in person, he was trying to fake cry his way out of it.
- [93:12]
B
I need help.
- [93:13]
A
Well, he's here to help you.
- [93:14]
B
All right, dawn, so here's what we're going to do. I'm just going to put you in cuffs right now. You're only detained. You're not under arrest at this time until we can go through all this and figure out what we're going to do.
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A
Okay? With that size, man, you're.
- [93:28]
B
You're the wrong.
- [93:29]
A
You're messing with the wrong five.
- [93:31]
B
Come over here. All right, we're just gonna go over here and have a seat in my car. Girlfriend's stinky.
- [93:48]
A
Yeah, he was just convicted. He. He actually had arranged his. The car that he drove to that park with the whole back of was like, kind of like A makeshift bed. And he was planning to take a. Believe I want to say it was either 14 or 15 year old to a. A trail nearby where he was going to viciously this girl and also record it. And I mean he, his messages were so horrible. I mean they were, they were just disgusting to even read. He. He was recently just. He took a plea deal with, with their detectives or with their. What would it be? Prosecutor's office.
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B
Oh my God.
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A
This here is Manuel Gonzalez. We caught him. I think it was June of last year. He showed up at a park with drugs playing to what he thought was, I believe it was a 13 year old. He was charged on online solicitation. And I mean, just listen to this. I mean this is gonna blow you away. This is while he was playing Roblox with our decoy account, by the way. I forgot I already mentioned that like the first time I heard you, but thank you. I like your voice too. I'm surprised you're still real. I don't know. I'm very nervous about that. Like one of my biggest fears. Yeah, I thought you were like could I think be like a police officer?
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C
You know?
- [95:28]
A
Me?
- [95:30]
C
Yes, you. I don't know, maybe you're trying to get me like undercover.
- [95:33]
A
Like undercover. Why?
- [95:36]
C
Yo, what we're going to do is not good.
- [95:40]
B
It's pretty bad.
- [95:40]
A
I. I heard. I think that's what I've been told. I'm also like doing it with you, so wouldn't that make me in trouble too?
- [95:48]
B
No, cuz you're the one like the
- [95:50]
A
victim, I guess, technically. How am I the victim if I'm okay with it?
- [95:56]
B
Because your brain is not fully developed,
- [95:58]
A
you know, it's like taking advantage of you in a sense. I think it's okay. It can be our secret. It can be our secret. Really? Yeah. I'm so excited.
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B
Go to sleep now. Yeah, I'm going to sleep.
- [96:13]
A
Good night. Good night. Bye. Bye. Bye. Yeah, That's just a few of the, the predators that we've caught. And you would be surprised to hear what Roblox's response to these child predators were. We send Roblox, I think it was after the first or second one, we, we. I created an account specifically for sending Roblox. It was called Schlep Arrest and I put that out on Twitter. I'm like, this is the account I'm going to be sending these reports to Roblox on. And we would send them the exact same Google Drives we were sending the authorities. I mean like it contained everything, I believe just Outside of like our IDs and stuff like that. And it had every chat log in it. We would actually go as far as to screen record us on mobile scrolling through all the chats. You know, we do everything law enforcement asks us. And that was all given to Roblox in numerous occasions. They did not take these predators off of the platform until after I released my video. It got so bad I had to create binder, a literal binder and send it to their head recorders in San Mateo just on the off chance maybe, just maybe, an employee at this company would see it and I would send them emails saying this is why I do it. I was groomed, I was victimized. And I, you know, I'm still dealing with the harassment from this child predator. And I just want to help kids. And they never cared. They never showed. I never got a real message from anybody at Roblox until I think it was August 8th. That was a cease and desist letter. And they banned not only my schlep account, but my account where I was making normal Roblox gaming videos. Just innocent kid friendly content. They weren't even mixed in the slightest. They specifically targeted that as well.
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B
What the fuck?
- [98:28]
A
They saw those arrests and said I was creating more of a problem to the platform than the child predators hurting the kids on the site.
- [98:37]
B
Where did they say that? They said that to you?
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A
I'll read the cease and desist letter for you.
- [98:46]
B
Can we get a copy of that cease and desist?
- [98:48]
A
Absolutely. Okay, here's the email. Legal cease and desist letter from Roblox. And like this is their attorney Tony Wable, who's also sent. This isn't. And by the way, I'm not the first person that they've silenced Tony Wable, he represented Roblox in a lawsuit against another creator named Reuben Sim, who I'll get to in a second. So here it is. Legal cease and desist notice from Roblox. And this has my full legal name on here. We write on behalf of the Roblox Corporation, this letter serves as a formal cease and desist notice regarding your unauthorized harmful activities on the Roblox platform. Six arrests, two convictions. That's harmful to Roblox, thinks that's harmful. Just remember that your actions are not only a violation of Roblox's policies and directly undermine Roblox's safety efforts and critically are exposing users to increased risk. Don't you think having these child predators within your community is exposing them to increased risk? Don't you think that these people could have potentially gone ahead, victimized someone on the platform. Could have been one of your lawsuits that could have been filed against you. I was stopping that from happening. I mean that's. That's just so crazy to even think. And this is what it says. Those actions include engaging in simulated child endangerment conversations. So what should an actual child have to go through that?
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B
Holy.
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A
Should we put actual children as a d. Is that what Roblox. It'd be okay. It's okay if it's an actual child. That's what they're saying. That's how that reads. Sharing or soliciting personally identifiable information. And this comes from like we would say our age on Roblox. That's what they're claiming. You know. You know when you sign up to Roblox you agree to a 70 page plus legalese. You know, that's one of the things on there directing users to move conversation off platforms. This is the one I find the most dumb in all of it considering Roblox is the only other platform we use was Discord. Discord is linked on. Like you can put your Discord right underneath your game and join it. Like it is directly linked. Right? Like it makes no sense. They're affiliated with Discord. How. How can you say we were like. Like it doesn't even make sense.
- [101:28]
C
It's not even insanity.
- [101:30]
A
That is actual insanity.
- [101:32]
B
It is.
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A
And now here's, here's the best part. It. Roblox is committed to aggressively combating illegal and harmful conduct.
- [101:41]
B
Okay, sure seems like it.
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A
Including child exploitation through, you know, talks about how they do stuff with ncmek. Roblox maintains direct channels with NCMEC like the FBI. While Roblox acknowledges that your stated intention may be to protect children. No, it wasn't May Roblox. It was. I fucking did. I did. I got two predators on your platform convicted and I was getting emails from kids saying that their abuser was now behind bars. And while it recognizes that the serious nature of online predatory behavior. Your methods include failing to report suspicious activity to Roblox through proper channels.
- [102:24]
B
We just covered that.
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A
I. They never reached. They never once contacted me. Hey, this is a line at the company. If you have a predator, send it to us. We'll ban them right away. I would have used that instantly. I actually went as far as to say Roblox, I'm willing to keep most of my videos and stuff private. A lot of the stuff I'm willing to even. I said at one point I would sign any contract that this company gave Me, I said that. I said I'd sign any contract if it means I could help kids. I mean, unbelievable. And I reported their stuff directly through their outlets. I was reporting through their Roblox.com support. I would put the same account. And they weren't looking at it until after we would release these videos. I mean, it's crazy to even consider that. And that's. You know, they actually were so weird about it. Like they would make us jump through so many hurdles. Like for instance, they were like, we can't accept a Google Drive containing all the evidence. Can you upload it as a YouTube video? So I did created a whole YouTube video for them. You know, scrolling through all the chats, them showing up in person, send it to them. Nothing. And what bothers me so much about that is that if we were getting that, where we documented every ounce of evidence and provided that to this company. What if you actually get groomed on this platform like I did when I was a kid? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. According to. Accordingly and pursuant with Roblox's policies, Roblox will be permanently closing your accounts. Please note that Roblox Community Standards prohibits opening new accounts to evade an enforcement action. Therefore, we demand that you cease and desist from accessing the Roblox platform. Please be advised, Roblox reserves all right to take any and all legal action against you should you violate the Roblox Community Standards. Continue such as, but not limited to a breach of contract. They're saying that they'll sue me for computer fraud if I touch roadblocks again. Can you believe that?
- [104:38]
B
Unfortunately, yes.
- [104:40]
A
Why not get my abuser and actually sue him for. For computer fraud? For abusing.
- [104:45]
B
This isn't about saving kids. This is fucking money.
- [104:48]
A
Exactly.
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B
All this is.
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A
Yep.
- [104:51]
B
Same with Canacook. Same with all this shit.
- [104:56]
A
Yep.
- [104:56]
B
Same with the Epstein files. It's about power.
- [104:59]
A
Exactly.
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B
They don't want to lose it.
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A
I will say one thing I find interesting. Bring up Cannon Cook. Is that the same exact stuff that was mentioned where they're making children sign NDAs for. I mean that that's what Roblox is trying to do with their forced arbitration, where they are trying to move these lawsuits. Like that lawsuit I showed you of that 10 year old who was brutally assaulted by five people. They're trying to move that into an arbitration where it's behind closed doors. When you create an account, you're signing away all of that. That's what they're arguing. But a judge has already ruled that they can't do that. But that's how far that they're willing to go. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. For a company that cares so much in their arbitration clause, it actually states that as a victim, you can only get $1,000 worth of damages out of the company if you're used. So your life altering trauma, abuse, your child goes missing.
- [106:09]
B
I can't believe we haven't even made a fucking tip line.
- [106:13]
A
Yep.
- [106:13]
B
If you got a predator, email them here. They don't even have that.
- [106:17]
A
They have a report button, but it doesn't work.
- [106:19]
B
A report button specifically for abuse and exploitation or just a fucking report button.
- [106:25]
A
They. They have something only for Europeans. It's called the Digital Online Safety act, which Roblox was legally forced to.
- [106:32]
B
So it was a fucking legal thing. They had to do it.
- [106:35]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
- [106:36]
B
Well, they don't do that kind of stuff here in America.
- [106:38]
A
Yeah.
- [106:38]
B
That's why we're the number one consumer of Kitty and child trafficking. That's us, that's the United States.
- [106:48]
A
I. I have no idea.
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B
And then you look at like, how they're handling this, Epstein, and you go, oh, no wonder.
- [106:55]
A
Yep, exactly.
- [106:57]
B
We want to protect pedophiles, not prosecute them. We'd like to protect them.
- [107:03]
A
Yep. What the.
- [107:05]
B
And then the last administrator, the last administration, there was. There was all this going on about maps. Oh, they're not pedophiles. They're maps. What the fuck is a map? Oh, that's a. That's a minor attracted person of. What the fuck did you just say? A fucking map. A minor attracted person.
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A
1. Are we trying.
- [107:26]
B
Not a fucking person. Okay. That's not a fucking person. And being attracted and fucking abusing and exploiting minors is not fucking okay. Not okay. But our government, right and left.
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A
Yeah.
- [107:42]
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Is trying to normalize this. It's insane. I gotta take a break. Yeah, it's crazy. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp March, includes international Women's Day. And it's a reminder to recognize just how much women carry every single day at work, in families and relationships, and in roles that often go unseen. When I think about that, I think about my amazing wife. The strength, the consistency, and the emotional load she carries for everyone else. So often, women like her are the ones holding everything together and rarely taking time for themselves. If you're listening and you're someone who's always showing up for others, it's worth asking, when do you get to show up for you? Therapy can be a space to create balance, set healthier boundaries and process the pressures that come with the roles you carry. Betterhelp makes it easy to get matched with a licensed therapist. You fill out a short questionnaire and they handle the matching process so you can focus on your goals. And if the fit isn't right, you can switch therapists at any time. With over 30,000 therapists and more than 6 million people served globally, it's become the world's largest online therapy platform with an average of 4.9 out of 5 rating for live sessions based on over 1.7 million client reviews. Your emotional well being matters. Find support and feel lighter in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off@betterhelp.com SRS that's betterhelp.com SRS Want to stay up to date on all things SRS? You bet your ass you do. Our newsletter brings you the latest SRS news and critical updates. Get instant alerts on the newest episodes. Never miss a beat. Exclusive intel briefs from counterterrorism expert Sarah Adams. You've seen her many times on the show. She's going to give unfiltered insights on global terrorist activity for Patreon exclusives. You're going to get epic range days with me and damn near every guest that's come in the studio. You're also going to get behind the scenes content and guest updates. You're going to get first dibs on new merch drops and limited edition items that will never be sold again. Plus exclusive offers from our partners you won't find anywhere else. So subscribe to the Vigilance Elite newsletter right now. Does anybody do the right fucking thing?
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A
I wish, I wish people cared about kids at these companies as much as I do. I know they'd be a lot more safer platform for him. I, I really, I mean it's kind of crazy to even think about it because like a lot of these executives, like they're, they're parents, like they have kids. And I, I, I really wonder if they would let their kids even interact with, with the websites that they're creating.
- [111:04]
B
Last time I did something like this, it was with Ryan Montgomery and I didn't, it's not that I didn't believe him, but I needed to prove to myself how bad this actually was. So I told him, go into any, any chat forum, any social media platform, I don't really give a shit what it is. I got nothing but time. So I'll sit here for a fucking week if I have to. It took five seconds.
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A
What you're going to see is something that journalists, that the media has failed to document properly for a better part of half A decade now. I mean it is some of the most vile stuff you are going to be. This is on a kids game. I mean that. That's. It's going to blow your mind.
- [111:55]
B
Let's do it.
- [111:57]
A
So as you know, I have my cease and desist from Roblox, so I cannot make the account. So you're going to have to put all your information in. Just make sure it's set to. Yeah. So what you're about to agree to is 77 pages worth of legalese. If you get groomed, exploited, anything, they think they have the right to force you into a concealed arbitration.
- [112:23]
B
That's how many pages.
- [112:24]
A
I believe it's 77. It's in the 70s range. I know that. Yeah. And they think kids, they're trying to enforce this for kids.
- [112:33]
B
Let's just see what.
- [112:34]
A
Yeah, yeah. I mean this, this is what you're agreeing to? All this? Yeah.
- [112:38]
B
Can I accept?
- [112:39]
A
Yeah, go for it. All those little hyperlinks just. I mean you barely even look at this.
- [112:45]
B
Are you under 13?
- [112:47]
A
Yeah. Like. Like a kid's gonna read this? Yeah.
- [112:50]
B
Look at this.
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A
This is what they think is enforceable for kids all.
- [112:54]
B
It probably is enforceable.
- [112:57]
A
Judges have ruled, at least as far as I'm aware, that this isn't enforceable, but.
- [113:02]
B
Oh, and then you download all this.
- [113:04]
A
Yeah, you can download copy. It's like what child is going to do. What child even knows what they're doing here, you know? Yep, there you go. Well, that's on their privacy page. I mean, this is what you're agreeing to.
- [113:18]
B
34 pages. Oh wait.
- [113:21]
A
Yeah. Here, let me. Let me get up the game for you to play real quick. Okay, give me one second.
- [113:32]
B
What's going on?
- [113:32]
A
Dude? I was just trying to make BFFs with 10 Cruz as you called.
- [113:37]
B
Oh really? Because Slept told me that you're interrupting our interview. No, we were.
- [113:44]
A
We saw a video on Facebook of 10 and there was a pretty interesting one where he's talking about. It's not about attacking pedophiles being a bad thing. Yeah,
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B
we're recording right now, just so you know.
- [114:01]
A
So.
- [114:01]
B
Yeah, I saw that too. Dude, I was doing a lot better this morning before I talked to Schlepp about all this roadblocks shit, dude.
- [114:12]
A
Yeah, Roblox is. It's a. It's a cesspool for sure. Yeah, pretty bad.
- [114:18]
B
This is even worse than what you were saying. This is horrible, man. Horrible.
- [114:28]
A
That's the thing you're gonna get with with Schlep. I mean, you know, I'M sure you've heard some of his story. And I don't want to spoil any of the parts that he might not focus technology investigating Roblox. And he has the chat logs, the conversations off the. You know, off of the game itself where they. They lure children. And you know that obviously, like what you and I talked about. 764.
- [114:55]
B
You're breaking up. I can't hear a damn thing you're saying. There we go. There we go. Yeah. Yeah.
- [115:13]
A
All right. So what I was saying is.
- [115:21]
B
They're breaking up again. You're breaking up again. I'm gonna let you go. If you can hear me, we're getting ready to. Oh, perfect. We're getting ready to. We're getting ready to name his abuser. His abuser's never been named.
- [115:37]
A
We out.
- [115:37]
B
Well, we are. My attorney's working on it. We're going to name his abuser and probably put his picture up. You got that?
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A
And Schl is an absolute legend.
- [115:50]
B
We're going to blast it everywhere.
- [115:52]
A
Yeah.
- [115:52]
B
I hate these people. I hate these people. All right. Hey, we all got to get together and talk about that thing we're going to do to save kids. Absolutely.
- [116:02]
A
Let me know. Sign me up.
- [116:04]
B
All right. Love you, dude. Later.
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A
All right, I'm gonna start the recording on my end.
- [116:14]
B
All right, here we go.
- [116:16]
A
All right. So the first game I have for you is called A Sandy Experience. This is a hyper realistic recreation of the Sandy Hook shooting.
- [116:27]
B
What? This is a fucking game? Yeah, the Sandy Hook shooting is a game on a. On a Roblox, which is.
- [116:35]
A
You're gonna. You're gonna be pretty.
- [116:37]
B
What do I do? Just hit play.
- [116:38]
A
Just hit play. It's nine and up. Anyone not enough to play this?
- [116:44]
B
Nine. Nine years old.
- [116:46]
A
Nine years old. Are able to play Roblox Sandy Hook.
- [116:51]
B
This is crazy.
- [116:52]
A
Yeah, I know.
- [116:54]
B
They're recreating. It is a school shooting to. And it's.
- [116:59]
A
I will show you how realistic they got. All right, so yeah, this is Sandy Hook on Roblox.
- [117:05]
B
Fuck out of here.
- [117:07]
A
Yeah, so you can hit play right there.
- [117:09]
B
So you hit.
- [117:10]
A
So you can dress up as a shooter. That's what he wore when he killed those kids. You can just hit something. I guess. This isn't loading right now properly. Okay. So this is his classroom.
- [117:21]
B
Look at the fucking blood on.
- [117:22]
A
Yeah, that's the. His. He killed his mom.
- [117:25]
B
He killed his mom.
- [117:26]
A
Yeah, when he started it. So that's supposed to be his mom. So to walk around.
- [117:29]
B
So you pick what gun you want to use.
- [117:31]
A
Yeah. To Walk around. You press W, A, S, and D on your keyboard. So. Yeah.
- [117:37]
B
What does it still. Oh, that moves.
- [117:39]
A
Yeah. And then on the other side, you can.
- [117:41]
B
So hold on. They have a Glock, a Sig, and a Bushmaster.
- [117:47]
A
Pretty sure those are the guns he used. I could.
- [117:48]
B
I mean, can. Can these gun manuf.
- [117:51]
A
I mean, actually, Glock did file something against Roblox. Game developers aren't supposed to be using that.
- [117:57]
B
Yeah, I'm gonna call. I mean, I got a great. I got a buddy over at Sig. His name is Jason. He's the VP of marketing. I'm gonna have to call him right now and be like, hey, dude, are you aware that these people are, like, doing this? How do you get out of here?
- [118:12]
A
Looks like it bugged you out here. Wait, so you can move your camera with your. This thing right here. You see this right here? So you. You can. And then just rotate it. So hold down and rotate.
- [118:24]
B
Oh, okay.
- [118:25]
A
So. Yeah, that's how you move.
- [118:27]
B
Oh,
- [118:30]
A
okay. All right.
- [118:32]
B
How the. Do I.
- [118:33]
A
Okay, walk backwards to press S. Should be. Yeah, there you go. Okay, now walk towards it again. Should. And then press E. Okay, so now just walk into there.
- [118:50]
B
Oh, we might have to get a gamer in here.
- [118:54]
A
Yeah.
- [118:54]
B
Darren. All right, you know how to play this?
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A
Yeah.
- [119:01]
B
Do you mind being on camera? All right, which one is this?
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A
The shooter? Yeah. So just press E on that door and then just walk inside.
- [119:15]
B
Did you hear what this is? Yeah, it's the Sandy Hook shoot.
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A
Yeah. Okay, back.
- [119:20]
B
Hey, let's make a video game where we go and kill a bunch of kids. That actually happened in real life?
- [119:27]
A
Yes.
- [119:29]
B
Could you imagine being a kid that was at that school or a parent of one of the kids that.
- [119:33]
A
How do I kill? How am I rotating? There we go.
- [119:35]
B
The rotate wasn't working, so.
- [119:37]
A
Yeah, just.
- [119:38]
B
Yeah, so what do you do? Just run around from.
- [119:40]
A
You'll see it. It. So go here. Wait, walk backwards. You see that staircase? Walk into that staircase to the left. Okay, just press.
- [119:48]
B
Yeah.
- [119:51]
A
So this is at the school. That's a cool. I mean that you've seen the.
- [119:54]
B
Holy. It says Sandy Hook Elementary School.
- [119:57]
A
How you start this game is you shoot through the window. Like how you. The. The Sandy Hook shooter did it. Someone's already in here. So you can hear the. The alarms going. I think it's. I think that's the window right there. You have to shoot this one. No, to the right.
- [120:16]
B
Wait, you said nine year olds.
- [120:19]
A
Nine year olds can throw this.
- [120:20]
B
I thought we just signed something saying we were 13.
- [120:24]
A
No, any. Any age can pretty much play low blocks. Oh, there you go. Immediately by the nearest exit. Make a left here. This is awful.
- [120:36]
B
Get the out of here.
- [120:38]
A
Yeah.
- [120:38]
B
Are those innocent people?
- [120:40]
A
They have their actual names of the victims above their head. Children crying. You get a leaderboard.
- [120:47]
B
Oh, my God. Dude, what in the is this?
- [120:52]
A
Police come in there. So you could probably, you know, shoot the kids. Yeah, I mean, shoot someone just to show, like, what it does on. It's not letting me press R. Reload it and then.
- [121:09]
B
Then you gotta reload.
- [121:11]
A
Yeah, you gotta. The. Hold on. It's just a mouse, though. I don't know. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's not working, but let's just try, like, run for your life.
- [121:29]
B
Holy.
- [121:30]
A
See how they have blood splatter on them? There's a room.
- [121:33]
B
So they got the screens.
- [121:35]
A
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They have the actual room.
- [121:40]
B
Dude, who the puts their kids on this? Seriously?
- [121:45]
A
They have the actual room. A bunch of kids or in a bathroom. And the teachers got him in there. And a guy came in and mowed all these kids down. They. They have the actual room of that in this game.
- [121:56]
B
Are you serious?
- [121:58]
A
Yeah, I think they have the Uvaldi
- [122:00]
B
game on here too.
- [122:01]
A
Yeah, I. I have that one a little bit too. If you want to press escape and reset your character to respawn. And it hit. Yeah. So check this. It says the exact names of the victim. Your. Your victims. Like, it's like a leaderboard.
- [122:20]
B
Holy.
- [122:21]
A
Oh, dude, they have the actual names too.
- [122:25]
B
So Stephanie Adams was a victim that was killed at Sandy Hook.
- [122:29]
A
I'm not exactly sure, but I know they have other names that are the actual victims. Yeah, that one's. That one's pretty bad.
- [122:36]
B
Where are we going now?
- [122:37]
A
Hit escape. Yeah, and hit leave right there. Okay.
- [122:48]
B
And there are some sick people.
- [122:50]
A
There's X. Yeah. And then go to there. This. Yeah, hit the Rob Debank one. See that one at the top? So this is the Uvalde school shooting. The maturity is set to minimal, so I believe that means any age could play this. This like any age on. On the entire site can play this recreation of the Uvaldi school massacre. Okay. So, yeah, you can hit play. So this is Rob. You can see there. So this is the actual shooter.
- [123:18]
B
Unlock. Can we unlock the chat?
- [123:21]
A
There's nobody else chatting.
- [123:22]
B
Oh.
- [123:26]
A
So, I mean, you've seen the security cam footage that the kid walks through this door here? I believe he starts shooting at some kid. And then he makes a right. Holy shit. And then there was two classrooms where this guy mowed Down. I think it was 22 children. And he wrote LOL in their blood. That's in this game. Down to that level of detail. Yeah. Yeah. I hate to say this, but if you want to show what actually ends up happening, you can. Look at that.
- [124:01]
B
Look at that. There it is.
- [124:02]
A
Where?
- [124:03]
B
That's a Daniel defense.
- [124:04]
A
Yeah. Ah, yeah. So just shoot someone. You'll see how. See their legs are coming off.
- [124:12]
B
Oh, my God.
- [124:13]
A
You can see their eyeballs get squirted out of their head. Yeah, look at that. Now, would it surprise you, Sean, if I told you that shooters are reference numbers Roblox and their manifestos?
- [124:32]
B
No, because it's. It's a. It's a. You know, it's a legacy for them. It's.
- [124:37]
A
It's.
- [124:38]
B
If I do this, my name will live forever on Roblox.
- [124:42]
A
Yeah.
- [124:43]
B
There's an Epstein island one, too.
- [124:45]
A
Yeah.
- [124:45]
B
Do you have that one?
- [124:46]
A
I have a video of it.
- [124:48]
B
What does that one do?
- [124:50]
A
It's a.
- [124:50]
B
What do you go in there?
- [124:51]
A
There's actually a lot of different variants. There's some that are like simulator games. There's some that are like war games. Do the carbine one. So this is Columbine on Roblox.
- [125:05]
B
So they.
- [125:05]
A
They have, like, every single.
- [125:07]
B
Do they have Covenant from here? Nashville.
- [125:09]
A
I. Yeah. Yep, I saw that one. Y. Huh. Like. Like they even watch it. Oh, wait, it's not this game. Yeah. You can equip your inventory. Pipe bomb. The same guns. You can dress up as the shooters. Yeah. Okay, so you just select your stuff,
- [125:32]
B
and then you choose a gun.
- [125:33]
A
Yeah. And then you can also. You can be either Eric or Dylan Klebold. There's actually a lot more on there. So Ramos, I believe that was the one for the. Which one was that? That was Uvaldi, I think.
- [125:53]
B
So you can be.
- [125:55]
A
Yeah, these are all the different, other Nicholas Cruz. So, yeah, there. There's a Columbine school right there. Is this, like, where you enter?
- [126:15]
B
This is insane, man.
- [126:20]
A
Some other people are playing, I guess. Oh, yeah, I guess I got Kill
- [126:28]
B
yourself or kill all the swat. That's what it just said. Kill yourself or kill all the swat. It's. It's. It is. This is almost like predictive programming for kids.
- [126:39]
A
Oh, yeah. I mean, this is what kids are getting exposed.
- [126:41]
B
Maybe it is predictive programming.
- [126:46]
A
Yes.
- [126:46]
B
Your plane is kill yourself or kill all the cops. I mean, it's. This is crazy.
- [126:56]
A
Did I not choose a weapon? I think it might be broken because there's another person in the lobby. But you can walk around the Map to see. Just run away from. Yeah, they're already trying to shoot me. Yeah, just try to get in the school.
- [127:11]
B
Oh, man, there it goes again. Kill yourself or kill all the slot. Yeah, man, this is sick.
- [127:18]
A
Yes. This is the entrance into Columbine.
- [127:22]
B
All right. We got all the school shooting.
- [127:25]
A
Yeah.
- [127:25]
B
Well, is there. Is there. Is it all like this? Is there any normal. How. How are the. How does it. How long is it going to take for the 764 cold or a pro or a predator to get. To get to me?
- [127:37]
A
Let's see. So search up.
- [127:39]
B
But they could see the age. And I think I said I was
- [127:41]
A
born in, like put Dollhouse in.
- [127:43]
B
Of course they don't know that. I guess all the kids are probably lying on their age.
- [127:46]
A
Yeah, a lot of kids do. Which one? Just hit search on that.
- [127:52]
B
Yeah,
- [127:54]
A
should be one. Let me see.
- [127:59]
B
I mean, if they have all this. If they have all of. If they have recreated some of the most horrific, tragic events in recent American history.
- [128:13]
A
R.P. dollhouse.
- [128:14]
B
Is there. Is there on here too?
- [128:17]
A
Huh? Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. There's so much stuff on the platform. Search up. Meet me or meet V. I think that's the name of it. M E E T. Yeah, and then V. Yeah. Okay. And then just hit play on that. That's a. The game next to it is a Tinder game on Roblox. They have Tinder on Roblox. Yeah. So just hit start. So we got someone messaging us just here.
- [128:47]
B
You can already.
- [128:48]
A
Oh, well, you know what Omegle is? Yeah, it's functionally the same exact game. So just click Start. Yeah, just click Start. Actually, someone's trying to add. You just hit Accept on that. He's probably going to try to send a message, but you can just keep hitting start until we message back. Okay. Keep skipping us. Okay. Oh, This is basically like chat roulette. Yeah, this is chat roulette. You'll have someone asking something. Just say hi back. Say, what are you doing? Oh, you freaky. Do you see that?
- [129:36]
B
Are you serious?
- [129:38]
A
Yeah, you freaky. Yeah, he's. He's wanting.
- [129:40]
B
Are you serious? That was like five seconds. Again, Say yeah, there it is, the time.
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A
Say yes. Yeah, just say yes and see what he wants to do.
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B
That was like 20 seconds.
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A
Yeah, 20 seconds was on the time. That's what. How long it took. Are you. Actually, Let's just see what he's going to say. He's probably going to try to get us on either Snapchat or Discord. He's trying to add Us. No, I wouldn't add him. See, how do you suit. You can just skip him, honestly. But yeah, I mean, you can just
- [130:12]
B
see it's already there. It's already there. The.
- [130:19]
A
You just skip this guy.
- [130:20]
B
Oh my gosh. That was like the first guy.
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A
This guy. This is what people are wanting to do to your kids on this game. Yeah. Hi. One question. Okay.
- [130:32]
B
No way.
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A
What do you think? His question. Are you freaky? He's gonna say it. Yeah.
- [130:37]
B
Holy. Are you kidding me, dude?
- [130:42]
A
Yep. And then he's gonna be like, you want to talk on. On Snapchat?
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B
We're recording this, right?
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A
Yeah, yeah. Do you got the sound of clock? So he's talking tick tock. We can talk on tick tock. So he's trying to get. Yeah. Imagine a kid. Imagine a kid plays this. You want to know what's crazy? The chief safety officer had a badge on his account.
- [131:08]
B
Hold on. Tell one of these motherfuckers you're the police. I just want to see what happens.
- [131:25]
A
How are you see? Maybe a normal conversation. Maybe. Maybe. These are like.
- [131:37]
B
This is gonna go somewhere. You can tell I'm doing great as well. How's Roblox today? Just getting started.
- [131:44]
A
That sounds like what a predator would I. I mean, like, that's. Just give it a second. Say, I'm. I'm just chilling. I'm bored. I'm bored. That's usually like their. Their go to move and they'll be like,
- [132:04]
B
oh, oh, here we go. Oh my God. Yes. I'm bored too.
- [132:09]
A
Let's see.
- [132:10]
B
No way. Dude.
- [132:13]
A
They're everywhere.
- [132:13]
B
Every single person on here.
- [132:16]
A
Yep. Say, say what are you doing right now?
- [132:30]
B
H.
- [132:33]
A
Usually these conversations, they get somewhere. Yeah. You can tell there's. There's reasons the way.
- [132:37]
B
Yeah. He's fishing or she's Somebody's fishing.
- [132:48]
A
Oh. Talking about how the conversation is dry so you can see where they're going for say what would make the conversation interesting. Yeah, I mean, they're. They're literally just trying to fixing something out of you. Yeah, yeah.
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B
Go to another one. Wait, what's. Holy, dude. So that's what. I guess that's not.
- [133:22]
A
Oh, here you go. This is going to be someone. Oh, you can tell when their avatars look like that. They're. They're specifically there to do stuff. Like it's 9 times out of 10 because it's like a fresh account. Xxxx you see that? Let me just look at the usernames. Chat in lover6767. It's your favorite rhyme. I Mean, these are. It's crazy. See, is he gonna say anything? Male or female?
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B
Female.
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A
Yeah. How old are you?
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B
God, dude.
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A
Should I just say I'm like 10 or 12 or. I, I would, I wouldn't say that because they. This is what they put in their cease and desist letter. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I'm 17. Yeah. Okay.
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B
I don't know what to say to that.
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A
I mean, I. I think pretty much that gets the point across. All these. Yeah. Isn't that insane?
- [134:35]
B
They're not 17. I guarantee you that.
- [134:39]
A
These are how many literally grooming cases start. We, we actually.
- [134:42]
B
It's every single person.
- [134:48]
A
We did a test and we found it was 40. No, it was. I think it was 30% of users in this game are looking to do break the rules of Roblox. He's back. Yeah. Say why. Let's ask him why. Yeah. Roblox says this is impossible for people to share personally identifiable info.
- [135:18]
B
Are you in the mood?
- [135:20]
A
Oh, yeah. I wonder. I really wonder. Oh, scared him.
- [135:32]
B
Yeah, scared him up.
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A
I mean, that's crazy.
- [135:34]
B
Holy, dude.
- [135:35]
A
Yeah.
- [135:36]
B
Every single person we've chatted with is eluding.
- [135:44]
A
That game has 122 people play this game. Here. Friend me. Okay. This game is Tinder on, on Roblox. It is literally Tinder on Roblox. Do I need to select any of these? Yeah, just select. Yeah, you just have to make a quick profile. Just select something. Okay. So you can just see like dislike. It's literally. I mean, this is Tinder. I mean, this is actually just Tinder. And when you match with someone, you get a private chat with them. Okay, so should I match each one? Yeah, you can just match people. See who ends up messaging us. So you'll see some. They'll pop up. So just keep liking them. I'll tell you when to stop. Okay. I mean, these avatars, when they're. They're dressed like that, they. They are. There's a whole thing on Roblox with race play. It's crazy to even say that, but
- [136:37]
B
what do you mean?
- [136:37]
A
What they. I think it's the black new world order. There's a whole thing on like they, they dress up like that and they call themselves bulls. I. It's the. It's insane. And they, they're looking for snow bunnies. Snow. Yeah, it's great. I can't even. Yeah, take a look at their avatars. Usually they have something on them. So that one's Panda. Yeah, that one's fine. But usually there's like they'll say, like, I'm dominant or something. So that's fine.
- [137:13]
B
And so what's the point of this? Do these people meet up in real life? What is this?
- [137:17]
A
It's Tinder. So see that? That was. Yeah, that was definitely something. Yeah. So pretty much.
- [137:23]
B
Are these people all online too?
- [137:25]
A
When they like you, you get put in a private. It's literally Tinder. Like, it is functionally the same as Tinder.
- [137:31]
B
I'm not a tenderer.
- [137:33]
A
Okay. Yeah, it's the same thing. Like or dislike. That's. That's Tinder. And then when you both match, you get in a private chat. So I'm hard.
- [137:42]
B
Holy shit.
- [137:42]
C
Yeah.
- [137:44]
B
And how old do you have to be to access this specific game?
- [137:47]
A
Let's see, if you go to the thing, I can see it, like the game page on it, like over on this. Oh, well, I. I think. Oh. When you exit out, I can tell you. Okay. Somebody gonna match us, do you think, or. I don't know. It. It usually doesn't take long. I'm. What does that say when you run?
- [138:09]
B
Murder Hawk?
- [138:11]
A
It's more fun when you run. I mean, to think that your kids could be playing a Tinder game on this site. It's advertised safest.
- [138:21]
C
Dude, just.
- [138:22]
B
Just think if I would have just. What did I put my screen name as? Just think if we would have put, like, I don't know, Vanessa 13.
- [138:29]
A
Oh, dude, you would. You would be getting so many messages. There's one last game. I think I want him to see this. One last shooter game. I think this one's really bad. You should probably see this. So you remember the Christchurch shooting that happened in New Zealand? Here, hit X on that. So you click that. So this is the Christchurch shooting on Roblox. Built identical to the. The real life one. And on March 2019, you armed righteous Fury and Arsenal Vengeance. Pretty much the mosque live stream. Your crusade to purge invaders. You can hear. That's the actual shooter. That's the audio from the shooter. Yeah. Didn't even have this music playing in his car on the way or something. Yeah.
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B
This is crazy.
- [139:22]
A
Yeah.
- [139:23]
B
It's active shooter events that are now video games that are telling you to kill yourself or all the cops.
- [139:31]
A
Yep.
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B
Then we go into that one thing and we have what, like four or five people?
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A
Yeah, it's like, you know, there was
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B
some of them, like, right off the bat.
- [139:40]
A
It wasn't one instance. It was. It was multiple upon multiple upon multiple. So, yeah, this is.
- [139:46]
B
This is crazy, dude.
- [139:48]
A
It's. It's unbelievable how this game will advertise itself safe to parents and platform this like it's laughably insane. I mean, that is so crazy.
- [140:03]
B
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- [141:44]
A
I. It's crazy. It's absolutely nuts. I mean, this platform is advertising safe to parents. I mean that should be false advertising. Like how can you be a safe game for parents and have Sandy Hook?
- [142:00]
B
A literal Sandy Hook. Columbine Udalvi.
- [142:04]
A
You said there was a Pulse nightclub one which I didn't show. The Buffalo shooter. Actually, I'll show you that one right now.
- [142:10]
B
So pretty much everything. The Charlie Kirk stuff.
- [142:12]
A
Yep.
- [142:13]
B
Exploitation, whatever you can do. Luring kids out of the game and kidnapping them. And the 10 year old, that was by five different men.
- [142:25]
A
Yeah.
- [142:26]
B
What the man? This is the shit that parents need to know. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, how long does it take? Let's say how many games are on there?
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A
Millions.
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B
Millions.
- [142:39]
A
Yeah.
- [142:40]
B
How long do you think it takes just an 8 year old to run into something?
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A
Well, I can show you this. I think out of everything I'm going to show you today, this will probably be the most important because this, it's anecdotal, but it'll put an actual kind of in Your head an actual number on this. This here. I'll show you this. So this here is someone who is a founder of a child safety organization. She goes into a classroom and you'll see what she asks to click. Kids, the big, big, big, big thing that I wanted to talk about today is online gaming. Because I know you all love it, don't you? Yeah. We're going to start off talking about Roblox. Who in here has been playing Roblox? When someone's asked you to be their boyfriend or girlfriend, who's had that happen? Put your hand up for me. You're not in trouble. Just half the kids raise their hands, okay. Who's been offered free Robux to do something that was inappropriate in the game? Or someone has. Look at that. I'll give you some free rocks if you come and follow me on Snapchat or Tik Tok or something like that. Who's had that happen?
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Okay.
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Look at how many kids in this classroom are raising their hands. I, Is that not unbelievable? I know. That shows the true scale.
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B
Yeah, I just, I can't, I'm, I can't. I mean, we just saw it our own eyes. I mean, it was, it was.
- [144:15]
A
Pulled it up within a second, 20 seconds. Yeah.
- [144:17]
B
We had somebody chatting.
- [144:19]
A
Huh? Yeah.
- [144:20]
B
How old are you?
- [144:21]
C
Or whatever they said, you want to get freaky?
- [144:23]
A
Yeah.
- [144:24]
B
Do you want to get. That's Two different people said that.
- [144:27]
A
Yep, yep. I mean, that, that's how it starts.
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B
Within, I mean.
- [144:32]
A
Yep. Wow, dude. I, I, I think that's how massive and widespread this problem is. I, I, that's, it's, I've never seen anything like this on the Internet. I mean, that's, you know, for instance, the game that you showed where all the, Or I showed where, you know, people are saying, you freaky. All that. That is based on a social media platform called Omegle, which was sued out of existence for child exploitation. It was in their settlement terms that they had to shut down Omegle because of a child abuse lawsuit. And that is, it's uncomprehendable how they could even platform something like that.
- [145:20]
B
I'm so pissed, I can't even fucking think right now.
- [145:23]
A
Yeah, I mean, it is so crazy. I, I, parents need to take their kids off of this game. I mean, I showed a classroom, it is 100. Your child has seen something, at minimum on the. I've talked to so many kids. They, they'll, they'll tell me, like, oh, I was just playing. I saw this and I saw that my email is 90% kids. Hey, I saw this inappropriate thing. Can you do something about it? That is most of my emails from kids. This stuff goes much beyond just predators. It's extremist groups. It's like. Here's one thing I think you'll find interesting. So the buffalo shooting that happened in New York, that shooter specifically cited two Roblox games and said. I'm just saying. I probably wouldn't be as nationalistic if it weren't for Blood and iron on Roblox. I mean, he cited. That is in the manifesto of the buffalo shooter. And guess what? They've recreated his shooting on Roblox in graphic detail. You can see here. You load in.
- [146:46]
B
Dude, why. What the fuck? Why would you allow this shit?
- [146:50]
A
You remember, it was live streamed, so they. It was at this top store. It was. He was targeting black people. And the first girl that he killed. Metro pan right there. That's the first girl he killed.
- [147:06]
B
Holy.
- [147:08]
A
Yep. And then. Yeah, and it's crazy. It has the whole story. See his gun, how it had that writing.
- [147:18]
B
How the fuck is Ro Khanna, the first and only fucking congressman and probably nobody in the Senate and probably nobody in the administration has done a fucking thing about this shit. What the fuck, man? What does that tell you about our fucking politicians? Holy shit.
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A
I don't know.
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B
Like how the fuck can you allow this shit to go on?
- [147:45]
A
It's crazy.
- [147:47]
B
What the fuck, man? What the fuck?
- [147:50]
A
See this security guard, That's a real security guard who was shot and murdered that day. It has his name.
- [147:57]
B
There's a picture just came up.
- [147:59]
A
Well, this is in the video, but that's him. They put on Roblox of, of him has his name right there and everything. And in the mass shooting.
- [148:09]
B
Are you serious?
- [148:10]
A
In the mass shooting, there was a guy who was white and the shooter said something like, oh, you're white. I'm sorry. And. And didn't. Didn't murder him. And this says right here, we see. Does he say, oh, he's white. Don't shoot. That's. That's what it. It's right above where that person.
- [148:29]
B
Are you serious?
- [148:30]
A
That's how realistic. And I think it's crazy. This shooting cited roadblocks. It cited Roblox within. It had it in the manifesto. I mean that, that's unbelievable. I mean the, the writings on his gun. Like this is his actual gun. It's in the game on Roblox. Like they, they have modeled it down to the writing on his gun. I mean that's.
- [148:58]
B
So they make it as realistic and as accurate as possible.
- [149:03]
A
Yes.
- [149:04]
B
Names. Names of victims. Yep.
- [149:08]
A
They have leaderboards. They have leaderboards of how many people you killed. And yeah, I mean, what, what, what could a game possibly like that be doing to our youth?
- [149:18]
B
We know exactly what it's doing to our youth.
- [149:21]
A
Yeah. There's also a lot of.
- [149:23]
B
So I guess we don't know exactly, but we know how bad it's getting.
- [149:27]
A
Yeah.
- [149:27]
B
Holy.
- [149:29]
A
There's a lot of ISIS stuff on Roblox as well.
- [149:32]
B
This is, this is predictive programming of millions of kids.
- [149:39]
A
Yep.
- [149:40]
B
That's what the. This is. It's making this. Okay. It's real events. It's real events. Holy.
- [149:49]
A
Yeah.
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B
And.
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A
And this is what politicians for 30 years are trying to tell everybody that. Oh, there's these games, they're. They're harmful, they're. They're making kids get radicalized. And then there's now actual. Like this. That's it.
- [150:06]
B
Proof. It's in manifestos. We just proved how easy it is to get exploited on there.
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A
Yeah. What do you do if you're.
- [150:15]
B
How young are people playing this game? It's like six.
- [150:19]
A
You can make an account at five years old.
- [150:20]
B
Five years old.
- [150:21]
A
Yeah. But Roblox has stuff from like, even younger than that. Like, they have My Little Pony, they have Blippi. You know, just the most young centered brands are on it.
- [150:32]
B
But once you're in, you can navigate to anything.
- [150:35]
A
Yes. Yeah.
- [150:37]
B
In anything. In what? I mean, of course a predator would be in a Blippi thing or a, or a My Little Pony thing or insert. Whatever, whatever. Kids are in Coco Melon.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Baby Finn.
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A
All of them. Yeah.
- [150:57]
B
And all those games are probably in there because they're just ripping everything. Holy.
- [151:04]
A
It's crazy. Yeah. So.
- [151:06]
B
Holy shit. And they sent you a fucking.
- [151:10]
A
They sent me the cease and desist.
- [151:12]
B
Are they suing you?
- [151:13]
A
They didn't sue me, but I can get into this. There was another content creator by the name of Ruben Sim who exposed child predators on Roblox. He was directly tied into a case related to a Roblox developer grooming a child who ended up. This developer abducted this girl. I'll talk about that in a second. But pretty much the lawsuit was this entire. It was for $1.6 million. And they said his cyber mob was harassing people and the company. And it was the most frivolous lawsuit. I mean, you could possibly believe. Like, for instance, one thing within this lawsuit that it claimed was. Let me get it real quick. It claimed that this, a social media manager by the name of Jack Hendricks was he was Photoshopping him nude and posting it online While working for Roblox, the social media manager was literally posting nude photos of himself online. And he posted, this is one of the social media managers at Roblox. All he did was show, why is the social media manager at Roblox posting this? Working for a kids company? And they said that he was Photoshopping him nude. Another claim they made was he uploaded a nude picture of himself in a lampshade. And he asked Roblox's attorneys, where is this? I never did this. You guys are lying and defaming me for this. And they wouldn't give it to him. And Roblox settled out of court, I believe, with them. But I mean, he was whistleblowing on this predator problem. And this was clearly Roblox doing everything in their power to silence a whistleblower. But about this developer that was grooming kids on Roblox, this developer was named Arnold Castillo. He had a very successful Sonic game on Roblox. It wasn't in collaboration with the Sonic Sega brand, but it was immensely popular. And on his Roblox game there was a Discord server where if you went to that Discord server, you could join his community. And he was procuring kids within this Discord community linked on Roblox. And he was grooming them, like viciously. It came out that he was grooming people. Reuben Sim went ahead and filed a police report with his local police. And he was trying to get the police to do something about this guy. And pretty much nothing happened. And eventually it comes out, months later he goes, actually what happened was, so Roblox knew this guy was grooming kids on the platform. And Rubinson brought this to the attention of employees at the company. They terminated this developer's account and then they reinstated him. They brought him back to the platform. And then the guy ends up grooming another girl. He Ubers this girl from one part of the country to another state. Like bribed this Uber driver $1,000 to do it. He ends up doing horrific stuff to this girl. The FBI ends up catching this guy with this girl that he got from his Discord server. And Roblox in that whole time was paying and allowing this guy to be on the platform. And the only reason why his game was removed off of Roblox is because SEGA sent a DMCA request to Roblox. Why are you hosting our brand on your company?
- [155:04]
B
Holy shit.
- [155:05]
A
And a pedophile made it like, that's, that's crazy. I, I think it's a little bit insane. With all that happening, Sega actually came back to roblox to make a game. Can you believe that after that happened with their brand?
- [155:17]
B
Holy shit.
- [155:19]
A
Yeah. And while all that was going on, that's when they filed this $1.6 million lawsuit against Rubenson and accused him of all this stuff. I mean, that is totally unbelievable. I, that was them silencing a whistleblower. And I guess this next time around with me, they, they just went with the cease and desist. But roblox has a history of silencing people coming out about their predatory behavior taking place on their platform.
- [155:50]
B
Have they done anything to an actual predator at all?
- [155:57]
A
I, I know that they, there was a guy in Marion county they, they filed a Necmech report about and he ended up getting arrested. I mean, they, they don't do enough. That's, that's definitely for certain. I mean, you saw it. They definitely don't do enough.
- [156:15]
B
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I can't even fucking believe what I just saw. I Honestly, on a game that you say is being advertised as safe for kids, how the is that safe for kids? How the is that acceptable? How the does a parent let what the is happening?
- [156:39]
A
I have absolutely no idea. And I think it's, I mean, I've
- [156:43]
B
personally warned tons of parents about this. I mean, I'm not even talking about through the fucking show. I'm talking about personal relationships. Some of their fucking kids are still fucking around on roadblocks because they don't want to deal. They don't want to fucking deal with their kid by pulling them off the platform.
- [157:05]
A
I mean, what.
- [157:06]
B
It's crazy. And we're, we just, we showed them with the seven.
- [157:11]
C
We haven't even talked about the 764.
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B
I talked about it and we just proved it.
- [157:20]
A
Yeah.
- [157:20]
B
And there's still going to be people that let their kids go on that game.
- [157:24]
A
Yep.
- [157:25]
B
Just so they don't have to listen to them.
- [157:26]
A
Yeah.
- [157:28]
B
Just so they can go off on their phone and look at whatever their Instagram. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
- [157:41]
A
Mm.
- [157:42]
B
And like I said, this country is the number one. We, we consume more of this shit than anybody else. Exploitation and trafficking it in in, in media.
- [157:56]
A
Yep. It's, it's horrendous.
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B
Nobody's doing anything about it.
- [158:02]
A
Yep.
- [158:03]
B
Well, I shouldn't say nobody. I don't, I don't, I don't. I just unaware of any politician other than Rokhana exactly who I Don't even agree with on much, but thank God somebody up there is doing something for sure. I mean we got everybody else just sweeping it under the rug.
- [158:22]
A
Like why is it just sweep it under the rug?
- [158:24]
B
Why the wouldn't we, why wouldn't we investigate every single person that went to Epstein Island? Let's just sweep it under the rug. Makes my friends look bad.
- [158:35]
A
Yeah. That's insane.
- [158:39]
B
Oh man, I feel like I'm gonna fucking puke.
- [158:43]
A
It is so sad. I look back to that video with all those kids in that classroom and half of them raising their hands if they had been offered to do something inappropriate. I mean think how many kids in that classroom didn't understand that question. Like I get so many emails. Like I wish people could see it from my view because it is so immense.
- [159:08]
B
They're gonna see it from your view now. A small, a very small glimpse.
- [159:13]
A
Yeah. That's why any parent that asked me should I let my kid be on Roblox? It's just a withstanding. No, like your kids. This game is dangerous. It is so dangerous. These spaces that they're advertising as safe are not safe. I have only briefly touched on these cases. I mean for instance, last year one of the lawsuits filed was a 10 year old who was kidnapped in California and taken to Northern California from a 27 year old that they met on the Roblox game. Mic up. So they met someone on this Roblox game, showed up at their house and drove them to Northern California. The, the parents have filed a lawsuit against the company. And there, there's so many horrific, horrific abuse cases related to Roblox.
- [160:16]
B
What kind of consequences have you faced for diving into this? I know it it breakfast. You had said you'd been swatted.
- [160:24]
A
Yeah.
- [160:25]
B
Are you being threatened? I mean you are with some very powerful people. Really? Power. Look at me, dude. I'm being serious. I'm being serious. I mean Ryan Montgomery and I took 6 billion off the stock table in one week. How much do you think it cost to take a hit out on somebody? I can tell you this much. It's a hell of a lot less than 6 billion fucking dollars.
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A
It's pretty terrifying.
- [160:55]
B
I mean what are you doing to protect yourself? Are you doing anything?
- [160:59]
A
I don't want to go into the specifics of that, but I am very aware of the position I'm in. I mean everybody knows what happens to whistleblowers, massive multi billion dollar corporations.
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B
You have to stay loud.
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Yep, yep. I mean that, that's, it's suppression then silence. So I mean that's, I don't know. I mean at the, at the end of the day I really, I'm just, I, I, I've had to deal with my own crazy stuff as a relation to all this. I had the FBI come to my house. I mean we, we were, we were being swatted by pedophiles of Roblox when the news broke. But yeah, I mean we, we, I mean I had the FBI coming to my house asking me about the predators.
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These fucking people run the world.
- [161:52]
A
It's, it's scary, it's terrifying. You know, it's, how can you. It's unbelievable. I mean I didn't even show you this like, all right, everything that I've just told you. Lawsuits, you know, them doing what they did to me. What the executives of this company want for Roblox is going to blow your mind. Listen to this. This is the CEO of Roblox on stage. He pitched this in 2023 and he also pitched this again after my situation when it blew up became like the, a really huge thing on the Internet. This is him pitching the idea of turning Roblox into, into a dating platform that minors can access. Let's up this to 18 plus.
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Okay.
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The fifth one's controversial but here, here's what I want to share with. For 18 plus verified people in 18 plus experiences, thousands of adults will meet for the first time in Roblox dating experiences and subsequently form real life relationships. That's their priorities right now. That's what they are prioritizing. I mean it's so crazy to even comprehend that that was just this year.
- [163:10]
B
But there's no way to verify the A team. I mean we just did the birthday. It did say you had to verify your birthday. What does that mean you had to verify your birthday?
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It's a chat message.
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How do you do that?
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So you scan a photo of your face. I got a photo it here, let me see
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B
you scan a photo of your face?
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Yeah. So this is it. So get a photo of your face. Turn left and right and then boom. It gives you an age that you think it thinks you are. Now let me just first explain how
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so you just so anybody that's a parent, you just have your fucking kid do it?
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Yeah, well, yeah, for one the company that they're trusting to do this age check is being sued over how they handle biometric data. So and there's a whole data privacy
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massive concern related that but really all
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B
you need to do is just get a kid, a kid to do it.
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A
No.
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B
Can you just do this real quick for me?
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It's so easy. And you can just buy. We already know you can just buy one of these accounts with any age you want on it. So what is that so. Oh, you can.
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B
You gotta be kidding.
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A
Yeah. And where do you buy that? You buy it on ebay. Ebay, actually, always fucking ebay.
- [164:23]
B
What is that? Does that say 13 to 15 to 15 year old?
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And what this means is you can only talk to 13 and 15 years old online. They're joking. Calling this the Predator Buffet update because it allows predators to select what age group they want to communicate with.
- [164:40]
B
It's like this thing is made for them.
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I. It's just. I don't. I can't comprehend it. I mean, I. I mean there's messages from predators. Anyone selling a 13 account? No, why? So I can have some fun. Fun how? You can have fun with people your age? You're 19. Stop being a creep. I do have people my age. I got both. You told a 13 year old you were upset because she was underage and had a crush and you had a crush on her.
- [165:10]
B
Where is that?
- [165:10]
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This is on Discord and they're trying to sell and trade underage Roblox accounts.
- [165:16]
B
And they are not trying. They are.
- [165:19]
A
They are. Yeah. I mean it's.
- [165:22]
B
Holy shit, dude. Yeah, can you just. Can you do me a favor and Screen record. Pull up ebay screen record it and just. I just want to see how many
- [165:34]
A
ebay did recently put out a statement saying that they are removing these profiles. But I am curious if it's still there. So I'll tell you right now.
- [165:42]
B
When was that? How long ago was that?
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A
I want to say about a week and a half ago, maybe two weeks. But let me see.
- [165:47]
B
So they just moved to something else?
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A
Yeah, I mean, you can.
- [165:50]
B
Let me see Roblox Accounting, Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace or who knows where.
- [165:55]
A
Oh yeah. Oh wait, no, that's not it. Let me see. And there's tons. 18 plus. Yeah. Okay. Roblox, let me see. 13. I mean I'm seeing accounts on here that are listed 18 +.
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B
Just look up Roblox Kids accounts.
- [166:16]
A
Yeah, let's see. Roblox age 13 account purchase. Go shopping. Roblox account for sale. Looks like ebay took most their stuff down.
- [166:38]
B
Well, that's good.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We got some good news today. Schlep. That's good.
- [166:43]
A
I. I think it's crazy that ebay is having to clean up Roblox's mess. I mean that's.
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B
Look up Facebook Marketplace.
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A
Let's see. I wonder if they got it.
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B
We're also people selling is Craigslist still thing?
- [167:00]
A
Probably. Let's see. Roblox Age account. See gift cards. Yeah, here we go. I think I found one. Yeah, look at this. Oh well I, I guess it's a, a little, I think it's a different currency. I'm not even sure but it says Here Roblox account, 13 to 15 years old, voice chat enabled. You can buy this.
- [167:25]
B
What is that website?
- [167:27]
A
This is Carousel.
- [167:30]
B
So that took you about 60 seconds to go find a underage account to go buy. This is crazy.
- [167:37]
A
It was a top result pretty much. I mean like, yeah, that's crazy. You can just buy one. I, that's, that is crazy. Just to think too like they will
- [167:50]
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always find a way. This is one, this is also what I was talking about at the beginning. They will always find a way. If we take, if, if Roblox cease to exist tomorrow. It's gone. Whatever. It's gone for sure. They're going to the next place. They aren't never. It's never going to stop. It's never going to stop. This is for the parents. It's never going to stop. Ever. You have to fucking stay vigilant. You have to be vigilant about this shit.
- [168:27]
A
When something happens to Roblox, Discord, any of these other platforms, a new one's just gonna pop up. I mean that's kind of the thing about it. At the end of the day, I mean all really what needs to happen is these companies need to have new executives with their primary mission being their platform is a safe platform. No one wants to put their kid on a platform.
- [168:49]
B
And what also needs to happen is people need to get their phone kids off the Internet.
- [168:54]
A
True.
- [168:54]
B
They need to get their kids off the Internet. I mean we've, I've alone have covered this. I don't know. But I'm one of the only ones that will even talk about it. Nobody will even talk about this. It's crazy. Yeah, like nobody gives a. They're all talk but the fuck. Like what, what greater purpose is there in fucking life than to, than, than to do good and protect kids?
- [169:19]
A
Yeah, I, I, I don't want to touch it.
- [169:23]
B
It might get demonetized. Who cares, man Off, Grow a sack.
- [169:30]
A
Exactly.
- [169:30]
B
Holy, Exactly. Crazy man.
- [169:35]
A
Man. Yeah, I, I think the thing, oh, it's just the scale man. I, how big this problem is?
- [169:45]
B
I, it's every, it's everywhere.
- [169:47]
A
Yeah, I, it's, it literally is everywhere. I mean, Roblox is one component of it, but it discord all these other social media sites. I mean, so many kids are getting hurt. I, it's in today's day and age, you just cannot get an iPad.
- [170:03]
B
It's everywhere. It's in the biggest Christian camp in the world.
- [170:07]
A
Yeah.
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B
And they're doing the same as Roblox.
- [170:10]
A
Yep.
- [170:10]
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They're. They're sending out NDAs, settling and then saying you could never fucking talk about the fact that you were molested. Oh. Or somebody, somebody was reading scripture over them while they're doing this. It's just, it's.
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Yeah, it's great.
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It's everywhere kids are going to be and always will be. Always will be for sure.
- [170:35]
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It's. It's tragic. I, I think my attorney is like the number of victims that they represent is. I think over 3000 victims of Roblox and discord related abuse. That's. I mean that's such a crazy number.
- [170:52]
B
They have law firms, they. Law firms that are, that are, that are set up.
- [170:56]
A
Yep.
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B
And that's their thing. This is, this is like the, the.
- [171:01]
A
That's how widespread this is. Think of how many people didn't go to a law firm.
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B
We went down, we looked up the, the, the shit. I forgot the name. The name of the law firm that sent me the cease and desist from Springfield, Missouri for the cannacook Shit.
- [171:17]
A
Yeah.
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You know. Oh, they wanted me to apologize. They wanted me to do a public apologize and apologize to fucking canacook. I said, sorry, I don't negotiate with pedophiles. Off.
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A
Literally, that's.
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And then one of my guys looked him up because I asked. I was like, I wonder how many fucking pedophiles this law firm has represented. And, and, and, and one of my guys looked it up. First thing that popped up was like, big thing in the Catholic church. They were, guess who got him out of it.
- [171:53]
A
Gosh, I don't know the name.
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B
But don't worry. We'll throw the cease and desist up right fucking now. It's got their phone number, everything. You know what they did? You know they did. They, they turned the comments off on their ex account because so many people were pissed off that they're defending a pedophile.
- [172:12]
A
Why do you have a pedophile as your client?
- [172:14]
B
Who does. Who defends them? Like what the. Man, I couldn't even. I'd love to chat with your attorney about this because that's all they do, right, is defend.
- [172:25]
A
They, they represent a lot of stuff. Like even beyond roblox. A lot of abuse cases. I, I think they've represented some clergy abuse cases. So. Yeah, I mean, they, they have a lot of stories to tell in relation to that. Sure. But yeah.
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B
Well, Slap, I got you something. You know, that's why I was asking what you're doing to protect yourself.
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A
Oh, I, I, I have to tell me.
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B
I just, I got you.
- [172:54]
A
Oh, you did?
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B
Okay, yeah.
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A
Let me see. Stay there. Okay.
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B
All right, so.
- [173:02]
A
Oh, my goodness.
- [173:03]
B
Yeah.
- [173:04]
A
Dude, that is awesome, bro.
- [173:06]
B
So have you heard of Sig Sour?
- [173:08]
A
Nah.
- [173:09]
B
Okay, well, now you have. So this is a 5, 5, 6 weapon. And I got a really good friend over at Sig. His name's Jason, and I was already telling you about him. He's the, the VP of marketing. Actually, I got a call him today to let them know that their weapons, their, their firearms are being used in Roblox, you know, to simulate school shooters and kill kids on a video game. But anyways, new optics line. This is what all the military is going to. This is 5, 5, 6. Got a flashlight on there. And then I got other. I made another friend and it Silencer shop. And so silencer shop put a brand new suppressor on this.
- [173:55]
A
Oh, that's so cool.
- [173:57]
B
Yeah. So here you go.
- [173:58]
A
Thank you. I appreciate that. Oh, my gosh. That is so cool.
- [174:02]
B
There you go.
- [174:04]
A
Oh, man, that's awesome. Yeah, I only recently got into shooting. I'm gonna love.
- [174:08]
B
Oh, you're into shooting?
- [174:09]
A
Yeah, I recently, yeah, I've been going with friends, like, out to the range, like every week or so.
- [174:13]
B
What are you shooting?
- [174:15]
A
I don't even know the gun I got. I recently just got a pistol, so.
- [174:18]
B
What'd you get?
- [174:21]
A
Is blinking on my mind.
- [174:22]
B
That's all right.
- [174:24]
A
I got one. I do have one. Yeah.
- [174:26]
B
Well, now you have the coolest fucking gun at the range.
- [174:28]
A
Heck yeah.
- [174:29]
B
Cool. I'm going to teach you how to shoot that damn thing today.
- [174:32]
A
Heck yeah. I'm very excited.
- [174:34]
B
Right on.
- [174:34]
A
Yeah.
- [174:35]
B
We got to do something that's.
- [174:37]
A
Yeah.
- [174:39]
B
Got to get my mind off this for at least a minute.
- [174:41]
A
Exactly.
- [174:43]
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A
Yeah.
- [177:31]
B
Are you sure?
- [177:32]
A
I'm ready. I've been wanting this to happen for a very long time.
- [177:35]
B
You know it really. You know, your dad out there was almost in tears. He may have been in tears. He said that he had never heard that name, that you had kept that name from him. And we're about to release it to millions and millions of people. Are you ready, Kevin Nolan? Are you ready for your name to be broadcast to the entire world that you were abusing my friend Schlepp here?
- [178:02]
A
Yep.
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B
We're gonna put your picture up again. Your name's Kevin Nolan. He lives in Ireland. Kevin Nolan, everybody. If you're listening to this on something, go to the. Go to the video form and look at this picture. This is Kevin Nolan. What was he.
- [178:20]
A
His name was Ripple on Roblox.
- [178:22]
B
Ripple.
- [178:22]
A
Yeah, that was. That was him.
- [178:24]
B
And he was a developer.
- [178:25]
A
He was a developer, Yep. I would. I would love to hear from Roblox more about why they banned him. They. They haven't said a single peep by him.
- [178:34]
B
You mean Kevin Nolan.
- [178:35]
A
Yeah, by Kevin Nolan.
- [178:36]
B
Kevin Nolan. Ripple abusing kids.
- [178:40]
A
I'm glad that's out there. I know that there's been a lot of mystery on to why he's been. Was removed off of Roblox. He was removed off of Roadblocks for being a pedophile and grooming kids. I will say that's something I've been trying to get out there for a very long time and I'm really.
- [178:56]
B
Well tell you what. Roblox made him famous, but he's about to be a lot fucking more famous than he was with Roblox, I can guarantee fucking to you that.
- [179:04]
A
Yep. And that person he sent me, Gore sent me would ask me horrible stuff when I was a minor. He victimized other girls and he's a total monster. And that's why Roblox banned him. I mean that, that, that was the
- [179:19]
B
reason why we found an article of Kevin Nolan.
- [179:22]
A
Yeah.
- [179:22]
B
Online. We'll post that too. Right now I just want to put
- [179:25]
A
it on the screen. He tried to say he was blackmailed, which I. The. The truth is the. He groomed that girl viciously. He groomed.
- [179:33]
B
How the fuck do you say. How would he. How even create a narrative that he was blackmail. Blackmail? What does that even like blackmail?
- [179:40]
A
So what. What ended up happening is he had. This victim did end up trying to get a Roblox item out of him. And I guess they did and then Roblox instantly reverted it. But I mean at the end of the day it was. He groomed this girl viciously. She. She dropped out of high school over the abuse she suffered. So I mean. And even beyond that, I mean I literally saw my own. He did that stuff to me. He literally. I have the images. I have the images of sending me the Christchurch shooting when I was a minor. I have the images of him sending me when I was a minor. So I mean, I don't even know what he. You know, the only thing he could do is apologize to all the victims that he abused.
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B
What the fuck would that do?
- [180:34]
A
Tell me about it. Exactly. I mean It's. I think, I think out of anybody who really owes the biggest apology is Roblox to not only me, but my family. And they never, they never cared. They never cared about what we went through. They don't care about any of the victims. I did want to talk about with you was after my cease and desist, there was a chief safety officer at Roblox, his name is Matt Kaufman. He had put out a statement and mind you, before this, I'd come out saying I was a victim on this platform, that a popular developer groomed me when I was a minor. He made a statement on Roblox comparing me to child predators similar to actual predators. The behavior of getting these people arrested, that. That's similar to them. And then he sent me an email after I released my video. It was Roblox. Take a seat with Chris Hansen. He stated here. I'm gonna actually pull up this email for you because it is so shocked. I mean it is, it is unbelievable what she sent me. Follow up from roblox. Hi Michael. I understand our decision to moderate and ban your account came as a surprise, something you wholeheartedly disagree with. This is Matt Cawthon, same guy a week prior who compared me to actual child predators. That said our intent has been to keep the platform safe. And I believe that is something we have in common. Would you be up for a conversation to see if there's some way we can keep you active in the Roblox community? Nothing about me being groomed, no apology for comparing me to child. That was something I really was so deeply offended about. They've never once apologized for making that statement. And just to float in, would you like to come back to the Roblox community?
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Are you serious? Who the would want to go back to the Roblox community? You wouldn't want to do that, would you not.
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A
I wouldn't want to touch Roblox after everything.
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B
What the.
- [182:50]
A
I really wouldn't. I. I just. I've such a foul taste that's like, hey, used you.
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B
You want to come back to Camp canacook.
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A
Exactly. I mean that. No, exactly, exactly.
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B
The.
- [183:03]
A
That's so.
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B
So we'll give you a free pass. Yeah, I'll fucking bet you will. Turns out I'm too old now.
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What's crazy about this specific email? My law firm actually responded to Matt Kaufman and they made it explicitly clear all communication must go through my legal counsel. I mean that's, you know, why you have a lawyer. So that this stuff is handled between lawyers, not, you know, the individuals in the party. And he emailed me directly, like he, he reached out to me directly. And then I believe it was a week or so after that I forgot the exact dates. But the CEO of Roblox was asked about me getting kicked off the platform for. He responds to the question by completely ignoring it. And then the journalist asks him once again, what, you know, why did you kick this guy? You know, your community is really passionate about this. And he said, schlep broke our terms of use and we really don't like that. But we love Schlep's feedback and we would love to. And we reached out to Schlepp. They use this outreach as if they properly reached me out. I mean, the offer was always on the table for Roblox if they wanted to have a conversation. But I'm not going to be privately courted into these sort of channels. I mean, that's just ridiculous. And I think the other thing here too is that I want to see Roblox show some form of compassion for these survivors. I mean, that 10 year old that went through that horrific abuse, that girl who had to get an abortion from a predator they met off of Roblox. They should not be trying to be moved into private arbitrations. Kind of like what happened with Camp Canicook where they're trying to get these victims to sign NDAs. That, that should not be how Roblox is handling these, these horrific child abuse cases. I mean, they should really be apologizing.
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As long as I've been looking into this, I don't think I have seen any fucking institution apologize. Make good. I mean, it's impossible to make good do it. It's because it's always about the money. It's never about the kids. It's always about the money and the power.
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A
Exactly.
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B
It's politics, it's power, it's business, it's money.
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A
I mean, like, that's the thing. I bet you Matt Kaufman and these executives are watching it. I mean, literally all I just want an apology, you know, and you know, I want these victims to get justice. These victims deserve it. I mean, they've been so horrifically abused. I don't know how you can sit in an office and look at these cases as they roll up on your desk and just see games like these mass shooting games, these giant games filled with exploitation and just feel good about yourself. I mean, I don't know, you know, they have kids. I don't know how you could sit there and think, my kid could play this. Like that's Just so backwards. And anyways, to get a little bit more in depth on this now, so far there's been five states that have filed lawsuits. Attorney generals. But I thought the most interesting one was the Florida one. I was cited in it for my conviction that we got there. But what is interesting about that one is it started out with a subpoena and then they upgraded it to a criminal subpoena based on the findings of the initial subpoena and, and on an interview that the Chris Hansen did with the Florida Attorney General he pretty much said that he saw that predators were being reported to Roblox and Roblox wasn't properly doing what they should have been doing. I mean that's insane. I mean that's why it's now a criminal. They're being criminally investigated. This company.
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B
Here are. I gotta bring up some good news because there's not much. Here's all the pieces of shit that are standing up for the, for the fucking big tech gaming community. First one, Tom Keene Jr. Out of New Jersey. Good job Tom. Great work. Here are the state Attorney and we'll get into the rest of these later when we get your attorney on. State Attorney Generals investigating or suing roadblocks from August 2025 to present. Here's the states. There's not very many of them. Number one, Texas. Number two, Oklahoma. Number three, Louisiana. Number four, Florida. Number five, South Carolina. Number six, Kentucky. Number seven. Thank God, Tennessee. And that's where it ends folks. That means there's 43 other states that just don't give a. I, I know,
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I know some states are definitely looking into it right now. But yeah, I mean they're. This is why it's so important. Cop your Attorney General's office. Tell them that you want this company investigated. I mean that's, you know the, these people, they need to know that as a constituent you want this company investigated. Because I'll say one thing, I mean just from my own personal experiences, we were getting child predators arrested on the platform and they didn't care. I mean I thought I'm actually blocked by the CEO of Roblox specifically because of a child predator that we got arrested. And out of the six cases we've had, it's the only one that the prosecutors, I guess they dropped and I mean it was an open and shut case. This guy showed up at a park to meet someone that he thought was a 13 year old. I believe he was either 21 or 22. And this guy is still abusing kids online. There was A video that was uploaded very recently about it and he's back on Roblox as of this moment. I'll actually, I'll show you his Roblox account. Just so you know, if any Roblox executives are watching this. This is a child predator.
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I can guarantee you they're all watching.
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This is a child predator. This is a child predator right now. Who is on Roblox that I caught and got arrested. Who's currently using your platform? Let me get this. His name is Keani Govia and he is from Hawaii. But let me, let me find this. I got it right here. So this here is a predator that I got arrested. He showed up at a park in Hawaii to meet a 13 year old girl. This is him on Roblox right now.
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B
What's his screen name?
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A
It is Kitty Cat Katty Butt. So K I T T Y C A T T I E B U T T this guy. I actually.
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B
Kitty Katty Butt.
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A
Yeah, that's his name on the site
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B
he's been arrested for.
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A
Yeah, he was arrested. But from my knowledge, it was the only case that we got that was dropped by the police. I was told by Jideon, which was the guy I worked with on this, that the, the detectives were even confused by it because I guess the prosecutors didn't know how to charge for this specific, you know, online solicitation. But he is still grooming kids. I actually think it was about a week ago I had to get two kids to call or I talked to their parents. This guy was sending nudes to these kids. I believe they were 15 years old. So he's still actively abusing kids and he's on Roblox and make sure you
- [190:49]
B
take that screenshot that we got to put that up so parents know if they see that fucking screen name.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Of course. Any parents that's watching this, that are good parents or kids will never see fucking roadblocks ever, ever again.
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A
Now get this. The reason why I was blocked by the CEO of this company, he had made another account to get back onto Roblox. You know, initially when we told Roblox about this, we sent them everything. They ignored it until after the arrest. But when he came back to Roblox after getting banned and I emailed their support, I'm like, this guy's a child predator. We got him arrested. This is all the chat logs of it. Here's him admitting that he's him. All this. And they ignored me. So I tweeted at the CEO of Roblox, I replied to one of his tweets, hey, this is a child predator. And your AI email system isn't even doing anything. Like, this is his Roblox account. Can you ban him? And he blocked me on Twitter for it. He blocked me on Twitter for that. Yeah. Can you believe that? I mean, that is crazy to even think about.
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B
I was just gonna go find them, but it's probably not a good idea, right?
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A
Yeah. And with the Roblox official Twitter account, I tweeted at them when they put out a big thing about safety. I'm like, why are you guys trying to force 10 year olds into private arbitrations? To silence them from coming out about their story because they want to seek justice for their abuse. I mean, why are you guys doing that? Can we get a statement? They blocked me for that. Of course. Yeah. They don't want to talk about their arbitration clause and them trying to move cases into these private arbitrations. I think it was 100 parents recently just wrote a collective email or a letter to Roblox saying how unethical it is for them to even consider doing. It's the priorities of this company are backwards. It should be stopping these child predators. But for the CEO, it's adding dating onto this platform. You know, it's another thing that was pretty shocking was an interview that the CEO of Roblox gave where he was asked about bringing Poly Market, like something similar to polymarket on Roblox, which is gambling. Right. And they asked it to him as a joke, like, oh, you should do that. He's like, no, I think, I think that's a great idea. If we could do that in an educative way. If we could introduce gambling to children in an educative way. That is the CEO of the company.
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B
Wow.
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A
Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable.
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B
There's one. So I told you we had spoken to that we. Well, we. Jeremy spoke to. They reached out, they wanted to chat with me. I didn't. I was like, nope, not till I'm done.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And Jeremy. But you know, we need to do that. That's just what we do here. We got to hear the side. This is the one, the one thing that we kind of got that I need to ask you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That some of your critics say you just find predators on Discord in blame Roblox. How do you respond to that?
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A
The predators that we find, we find them in Roblox Discord. Like these are people searching for Roblox games on Roblox. And Discord is a massive facilitator of this. I mean, they Enable and host these communities. And pretty much we would literally join these servers. And there's.
- [194:32]
B
You know what? This doesn't even fucking deserve a response because we just. We just pulled it up. We just pulled it up and within I think it was 20 seconds.
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A
Yeah.
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B
We got a guy that wants to.
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A
It's such a foolish.
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B
Wants to get freaky.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then the next guy also wants to get freaky. We talked to like five people, I think that are alluding to. Hey, what are you doing? Oh, you're bored.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Oh, I'm bored too. Gee, I wonder what the fuck that's gonna turn into. Anybody with half a fucking brain can figure that out.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, let's take a break. Let's go blow some shit up.
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A
Hell yeah.
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B
And then when we come back, I'm going to talk to your attorney. We're going to wrap this fucking thing up, put a bow on it and fucking send it to Kevin Nolan. Want more from the Sean Ryan Show? Join our Patreon today for more clips and exclusive content. You'll get an exclusive look behind the scenes where you can watch the guests interact with the team and explore the studio before every episode. Plus unlock bonus content like our extra intel segments where we ask our guests additional questions. Our new SRS on site specials and access to an entire tactical training library you will not find anywhere else. And the best part, Patreon members can ask our guests questions directly. Your insights can help shape the show. Join us on Patreon now. Support the mission and become part of the Shawn Ryan Show's story. All right, Stephen Vanderpoort, welcome to the show.
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C
Thanks so much for having me.
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B
Love what you're doing. So we had breakfast with you and slept. So you work for a law firm that specializes in what we represent survivors of sexual abuse.
- [196:18]
C
It's all we do at Gould, Greco and Hensley. We represent survivors of digital exploitation like Schlep and others. And we have clients who were exploited or abused in clergy settings, hospital settings, school settings. So we specialize in this area. It's all we do. We do it well. Our staff is all informed by trauma based training. And yeah, we're very proud of the work we do.
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A
Are there.
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B
I'm just. I love what you guys are doing. I've actually never heard of a firm that just specializes in that. So thank you for what you're doing. Are there firms that also specialize in defending pedophiles? This is what they do.
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C
I mean, there's definitely firms that specialize in defending institutions that. That you know, give refuge to pedophiles oftentimes, whether it's, you know, their employees or others affiliated with their organization. Yes. There are law firms that specialize and have a relationship with companies and parties that find themselves on the defending side of litigation involving assault.
- [197:38]
B
Don't know how you do. We just had one. Send us a cease and desist from Kanakook. I'll put it up again because we dug in. They're also defending the Catholic. Catholic Church back. Back when all that was going on.
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C
Yeah.
- [197:48]
B
So they, they have a history of this. So I just want everybody to know who they are. So we'll put that up on the screen.
- [197:54]
A
Sure.
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B
You know, but man, I. I don't even know what to talk about first here, but let's talk about the Safer Gaming act that puts big tech over survivors.
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C
Yeah, sure.
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B
What is that?
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C
So the Safer Gaming act is one of the probably 18 pieces of legislation that is going through Congress right now that's presented to the public as being something that will improve the safety of games and help survivors of digital exploitation like Schlepp. And like our other clients, you know, they all have very ambitious names like Safer Gaming Act, Kids Online Safety act, et cetera. But buried in that legislation is a provision that basically gives immunity to tech platforms. It takes away the right of survivors to bring lawsuits against these companies, and it basically gives that right to the federal government. And so it's something that we're really, really glad to be talking about right now because we think it's a huge issue that folks are just not aware of, that there is this concerted effort to give companies like Roblox immunity from, you know, wrongdoing and negligence and neglect and carelessness because they had all these pedophiles on their platform.
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B
This is crazy. So that. So they want to give these tech companies that are making games immunity from victims, suing them for being assaulted or exploited on their platform.
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A
Yeah.
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B
When was this bill introduced? I got everybody who's supporting the bill right here. We're going to read all their names off.
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C
And you know what? We're here to name names. It's that important. You know, these are in this session of Congress, and these are the biggest companies in the world, and they're looking for immunity from our Congress to prevent the kinds of cases that we're bringing. Now. Why are we bringing these cases? Because we want to hold them accountable for. For knowingly putting their profits over the safety of kids. They knew this was going on on Roblox. Everything you saw today the game experiences, the content, the extreme content, the.
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A
The.
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C
The issues with identifying your age. And they knew this has been going on for a long time, and they made the choice to focus on their profits, to focus on their shareholders, to focus on their own bonuses and their own compensation instead of protect kids. And now that, you know the chickens are coming home to roost, they're going to Congress for a loophole.
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B
How does this happen, Stephen? Is this. I mean, this is lobbying, right? These. These people are most likely. Is that the proper term? Most length, maybe?
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C
Yeah.
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B
Being paid off to fucking sponsor this shit.
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C
Yeah. I mean, these folks, they may think that what they're doing is improving the safety of these platforms and helping kids. And, you know, either they don't know what the preemption provisions.
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B
They think that
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C
they either don't know what the preemption provision in their bills mean or, yes, they're. They're cozying up to Big Tech. And. And, you know, neither of. Neither of those situations is acceptable.
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B
Oh, we'll put them all up on screen here, too. But let me. So this is who sponsored the bill. This is Tom Keene Jr. Of New Jersey. It's him. Looks like a nice guy. He may be a real nice guy.
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C
Yeah, he may be a nice guy.
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B
Like a nice guy.
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C
He looks like a nice guy.
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B
He doesn't want kids to be able to have any retribution from Big Tech.
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C
That's right.
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B
Games.
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C
And you gotta call him on it.
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B
Good job, Tom. Here's some more. This is Representative Chris Smith, also from New Jersey. This is Darren Soto. He's from Florida. Yeah. So there's them. And we got Tim Wahlberg, Michigan. Laurel Lee, another Floridian. Yep. Good job. Good job. Congressman, we got. Gus, do you know how to say this guy's name?
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C
Barakas.
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B
Yeah. Baralkas. Oh, another Floridian up. Kathy Castor, also Floridian. Yep. Good luck with reelection. And then we got Neil Dunn and Ron Davis. This is Safe Messaging for Kids act of 2025. What's that a free pass for? It's all the same, huh? Yeah, it's just all these different bills that. This guy's from North Carolina here, Ron Davis.
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C
There are good ideas in some of those bills, but they're all completely undermined by the fact that they take away the rights of survivors to seek accountability. They take away the rights of state's attorneys general to bring enforcement actions. You were talking with Schlepp about the number of attorneys general that have already brought suit. These bills would take the power away from those Attorneys general and give it to the FTC and give it to the federal government. So this is, this is a warning to those politicians. We are going to be in your districts talking to your constituents about these bills, asking these constituents, who do you think your congresspeople should take the side of survivors of sexual abuse or pedophile protecting platforms. All those folks probably voted to release the Epstein files and at the same time they're secretly behind people's back and quietly looking to take away the rights of abuse survivors from digital exploitation on Roblox and other gaming platforms. So we know what you're doing. We're not going to lie down while you feed our kids to the wolves of Big Tech.
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B
Just want to reiterate for all the congressmen out there and the people voting for these congressmen, we just talked about a 10 year old that was picked up, brought to a hotel and by five different people. So something like that, something like that happens, she's not going to be able to seek retribution.
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C
They're going to say that, you know, any attempt to, for her to seek retribution is inconsistent with what these bills are supposed to require and therefore. Look, I'll answer the question simply no. They're going to say she shouldn't be able to seek retribution because Congress made all these bills and again, they either don't know what's in their bills or they support it. And neither of those are acceptable in our view. And we are going to keep talking about it. This issue is not going away. We are not going to let Big Tech completely eliminate the rights of survivors to get accountability in the court system.
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B
I just can't believe this shit, man. I can't believe how many people go out of their way to protect this. It's asinine.
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C
They think nobody's paying attention and they think yeah, and they're wrong about that.
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B
How do you live with yourself? How do you live. How, how do you live with yourself? By putting this up there or, or defending these people in court. Yeah, it's, it's just. So what's going on with Schlepp?
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C
Schlepp is acting with tremendous courage and continuing to speak out against one of the world's biggest tech platforms. The biggest and most popular game in the history of the world, Roblox. And he's a problem for them. People trust Schlep. He's a whistleblower. He's authentic. He cares about survivors. They're trying to do whatever they can to, to make Schlepp go away and make this issue go away and it's just not happening. He has his own experience on the platform, but he really is transformed into an advocate for, for other survivors and, and has just blown this issue completely open. I mean, he's a hero. What does this look like without Schlepper? What does this look like if Schlepp gets the cease and desist letter? And like what they were hoping he would do is, you know, shuts up, removes his content off off of YouTube, doesn't speak up anymore. That's what they were hoping he would do. That's not what he did. But without Schlepp, I don't know. This, this whole discussion, I don't know that it's happening right now about Roblox. So he, he really is the tip of the sphere and he is a hero.
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B
Do they have anything on him right now? Are you guys fighting anything?
- [207:53]
C
I, you know, they've accused him of violating their terms of service. Meanwhile, there are pedophiles using their platform, violating their terms of service. Those guys don't get banned. You know what they do? They, they disable the account and they send them right back to the homepage so they can make another one. They don't track who's on the platform
- [208:16]
B
or they just go buy one on whatever, even easier.
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C
So they don't have anything on Schlep and Schlep has everything on them and it's going to remain that way. We represent them, we're going to continue to represent them. We're going to continue to defend against bullying and threats and intimidation and anything else they want to throw at them. And if they want to try and bring him on, well, he's an advocate for survivors. So that discussion is not going to happen with Roblox without some acknowledgment of the absolutely traumatic injuries that the 10 year old suffered that a 13 year old girl who we represented was kidnapped suffered. We represent over 3,000 clients right now. I mean, these people matter. These injuries were real.
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B
Thousand clients.
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C
We may have close to 4,000. This is, this is a massive issue and, and having Schlep at the front of it is really, really going to be, I think, beneficial for survivors.
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B
Have you guys, I mean, have you guys had, Are you, are you, do you have a PR campaign? Are you trying to get this out? I mean, who's paying attention? I can't believe nobody's covering this shit. Nobody's covering this shit. How is that even fucking possible?
- [209:42]
C
You know what, what's great about what you guys did today and your format is you actually are going to show people what this game is like. A lot of media organizations, you know, they want to cover both sides. They don't want to go too far. They, you know, they're, they're concerned about going after a big and being too critical of a big, a big company. And, you know, your, your courage in giving Schlepp the time to, to go through the issues and to show what's on that platform. That's huge. That is huge. So, no, we don't have a, a PR campaign, but we want people to be aware of what's going on on this platform. We want parents to be aware. Parents deserve to know what's happening on this platform. The kids deserve to be protected when they're playing it, kids as young as five, as he said. And survivors have the right to tell their stories in the way that they want, not to be preempted by politicians in Congress, not to be forced into arbitration where the public will never learn what roadblocks knew and when they knew it. So thank you for covering this, and I hope that this will encourage others to cover it because it's a huge, huge child safety story. It's the biggest child safety story that, you know, in recent time, possibly ever. Possibly.
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B
So many people are on that thing. Do you know how many people are on Roblox?
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C
Well, they claim to have 80 million daily active users. So that, you know that that's just a huge number of people worldwide. Worldwide.
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B
Well, I'm sure this isn't just a problem in the U.S. not at all. We already know about Kevin Nolan over in Ireland.
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C
Look, in Australia, they just came up with a ban on social media. They've got one in France, too. They're moving in the right direction. We're moving in the direction of taking away the rights of survivors to get accountability. It's backward. And the reason it's backward is because the people don't know about it yet. And once the people find out about this, you know, we are confident that they're going to call their representatives, call these folks, these calls matter. And, you know, you'll have Ro Khanna. I don't want to kind of put them all in the same, you know, basket. He's been a tremendous advocate for survivors of abuse. Dick Durbin, Lindsey Graham. They're trying to repeal or Sunset Section 230, which is another, you know, ridiculous immunity that a lot of these, the world's biggest companies get the benefit of. So there are some, there are some people out there that are on the on the right side of this issue.
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B
Well, that's good to hear. That's good. That's.
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C
You name three, so you got to start somewhere.
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B
Oh, and Massey, there's four. Four. I'm all out of names now.
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C
This starts somewhere, right? We're not discouraged. This is the beginning. We are going to get people behind, making sure that the rights of survivors are preserved and that they have the ability to go to court and present to a jury. Let the jury decide. Did Roblox act reasonably when they failed to require age and identity verifications? Did they act reasonably when there's a mother whose son in New York is missing and she calls Roblox for help? They take weeks to get back to her. The choices Roblox made in designing their game is what needs to be scrutinized. And we're confident that that's going to happen.
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B
I told you guys at breakfast that we've had been having dialogue with Roblox.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Do you think I should have the CEO on?
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C
You know, I think if you have the CEO on, you're going to get a lot of conversation about scale. They like to talk about scale. Yeah, the AI age verification, it doesn't work. But we're trying to do this at such a scale. And if you're criticizing that, then you don't understand. Scale is not something that just happened to them. They built the scale, they're profiting from the scale. So if you have them on and, you know, maybe you should, I know you're going to push back on that. Scale is not an excuse. They built the biggest platform. They did it on the backs of kids and parents who they misrepresented, who were misrepresented by Roblox advertisements saying it's safe, saying it's educational, saying, you know, we have the best and the safest platform in the world. So if you have them on, is
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B
there any grounds for like a class action?
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C
You know, we, our cases are not a class action because the damages are distinct and unique to these particular plaintiffs. We have plaintiffs who've been extorted, thorted, kidnapped, plaintiffs who were coerced into sending csam and then who had that CSAM end up on the dark web. So we have all these different kinds of cases that wouldn't be good for a class action. But, but we're, we're consolidated in a single court and we're work, you know, we're working together to try and get a just outcome for, for all of them.
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B
And what's the name of your firm again?
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C
Gould, Greco and Hensley in Chicago, Illinois.
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B
Get ready, buddy. It's going to be a big influx. I hope you guys got a good recruiting department.
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C
We got a long fight ahead of us, but we're ready for it.
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B
Well, let me know if there's ever anything I can do.
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C
Appreciate it.
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B
Any serious. I'm dead serious. If you think there's something in particular that's big like this that needs exposure, I'm your guy.
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C
We appreciate that.
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B
My pleasure. Love what you're doing. Thank you.
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C
Thank you.
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A
It. Dude.
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B
Holy. What an interview, man.
- [216:43]
A
Crazy stuff.
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B
Do you even realize the magnitude of what you're doing?
- [216:49]
A
I. That's the crazy part, because I. I can't even comprehend, like, what. Like the snowball that. That I've kind of like, morphed into, you know, an avalanche. I mean, that's. It's the only way I can describe it. I mean, it, you know, started out with me just getting rid of some of these horrible people in society, and it ended at a corporation wanting to. To make an example out of me and being one of the biggest instances of a Streisand effect for the world to see.
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B
So, yeah, you are a hero, my man.
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A
I appreciate it.
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B
I mean that.
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A
I appreciate it.
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B
That takes a lot of balls to do what you're doing.
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A
I. I really do. It's been very stressful. A lot of sleepless nights. But I mean, at the end of the day, you know, I. I just get satisfaction knowing that there's, you know, people out there who can't hurt kids anymore. You know, just that. That alone. I trade every account I own, trade all the stuff that Roblox had to do for me, just to know those sick monsters can't keep doing what they're doing.
- [218:03]
B
You know, I talk to Ryan about this all the time. I have to check in on him. How. How are you doing? How are you doing?
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A
It's been a lot. Been very mentally exhausting. I'm very thankful. I have. I have a very loving girlfriend who's been there literally since day one for me. And, you know, I have a great family that has my back. But it's been very stressful. I mean, it's been such a challenging situation to have to deal with. I mean, just, you know, I. You know, at the end of the day, it's just like, it's really hard to. To everybody, this should seem like such a cut and dry issue. Like, this is something that, you know, the sky is blue. This is something that everyone should fight for because it's kids and this is the biggest gaming platform in the world. And you know, it's, it's crazy to see sometimes like push back on certain stuff. I mean, like I remember some developers when I just stated that the age estimation problem could be a tool for predators. I, I got some pushback from people on the platform. You know, I got, I got a lot of pushback from people on stuff like Tick tock. When the age estimation update came out, they thought I was the one responsible for it, which no, I, I'm very against. I've probably been one of the most vocal people against it. So I mean it's, I think what
- [219:40]
B
are you doing to stay sane? I mean, slip. You are in the middle of the most evil on this planet.
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A
Yeah, I know.
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B
Are you doing anything to take care of yourself?
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A
Really, what's been keeping a lot of my time is me with friends catching predators. Like that's, that's why I spent a lot of my time. I mean, I know it doesn't sound like the most relaxing thing, but it is kind of like I get to hang out with my friends and we get to stop bad people and something I really, really enjoy doing and playing video games, I guess to really kind of like what I do to keep my sanity during all this.
- [220:21]
B
Make sure you keep check, keep tabs on your mental health, man.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
Will catch up to you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, I tell this to Brian all the time and he never listens to me. Yeah, but it's going to catch up with him. It's going to catch up with you. It's going to catch up with me. You cannot live in this shit forever.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
You have to fucking take care of your mental health.
- [220:40]
A
Yeah.
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B
Because this shit's going to catch up. And Ryan tells me I don't have time to do that because if I do that then I'm not saving kids. But my caveat to that is if you fucking go down and you can't come back up because you have a fucking mental break or something bad happens, then there's going to be lots of kids that aren't saved.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
So you can't help anybody if you're not helping yourself. I want you to look at me, man. I'm being fucking serious. This is the darkest shit on the planet that you're in.
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A
That's. I know. There's days where it's just like, it's so overwhelming to see all put yourself in my shoes. You wake up, you check your email and it is tens of emails from kids saying, I saw this, I Mean, abused. I mean, you know, I, I wish I could help everybody, you know, I, it's just kind of like all you can do is sit there.
- [221:34]
B
I know what that's like.
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A
It's, it's real. That, that to me is the hardest. Like, I wish I could help so many more people reach out to me. And all I can really do is just kind of nothing.
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B
You got to have somebody filter that shit for you.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
You can't read all those. I know you're doing everything you can and that's all that matters.
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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy and I mean, you know, when I was a kid I saw like a lot of like graphic material and stuff. But I mean, just like, I guess some of the stuff that I've had to expose myself to while seeing this topic. I mean, it's some of the craziest stuff you could possibly believe. I mean, seven, six, four. They're heinous stuff for doing to kids. Here, limit. Let me show you one thing. This is last thing I'll probably show you on Roblox. So there was a guy, his name was Ronald McNutt and he was a Iraq, he served in Iraq. And one night he was live streaming and he got really drunk and he became aggressive and he got a call from his girlfriend and they were fighting and I guess his gun went off. And then after the call he hung up aggressively and then he grabbed his shotgun, put it right into his mouth and pulled the trigger like. And I mean, it's one of the most graphic shock videos on the Internet. And I mean, let me, let me show you. Someone managed on Roblox to upload this entire video frame by frame and expose it to little kids. I mean, here, I'll actually, I'll move this over to you so you can see this. I'm just warning. This is, you know, someone blowing their heads off with a shotgun.
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This is a live video.
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This is a video on Roblox. You'll see, it has the audio and everything. You'll see.
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B
Oh my gosh.
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And he's walking around showing that to little kids in an LGBTQ game on Roblox. And that's the sort of stuff I get.
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B
Holy shit.
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That's the stuff I get on a daily basis. That's the emails I'm getting from kids saying I'm being exposed to this. That and the. Could you imagine, you're a 10 year old kid, you play Roblox, someone walks up to you with a video of someone putting a shotgun down their mouth and pulling the trigger. How traumatizing that must be. I mean, that's. That's. That's unbelievable. That's insane. And this company is saying there's no video sharing or image sharing. What I just showed you was video sharing and image sharing.
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I can't even put that up.
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You can't even show that? Yeah, I mean, that's. That was literally a video of someone committing suicide.
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That's what I'm talking about. Schlepp, you've got to fucking take care of yourself, man. And I know it seems like this shit isn't piling up. I fucking get it. Look, man, spent a lot of time at war. Spent a lot of time doing this shit. Spent a lot of time diving into a lot of evil, man. Take like, just do a mental check in. Go talk to a pro. Find them. I find one. Find one now while you're good.
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Yeah.
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Because when goes bad and it will catch up with you. You want to be scrounging around trying to find the right doc. Yeah, I'm being serious, man.
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Yeah. I mean, that. That's now. Yeah.
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Like, I. What would. This is probably one of the last questions. What would you like to see happen with Roblox? Is there a way that they could fix this?
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I think, personally, this is what I think should happen. I think the CEO of this company needs to resign. I think David Baszucki has shown his priorities as a CEO that he values dating, he values gambling, these horribly addictive things, these things that are hurting children. He values that above safety and moderation. You know, they've spent a lot of. They've defunded their moderation. You know, there was a very infamous interview he gave where he just started becoming erratic. And the question that made him erratic was, why is Roblox spending less year over year on moderation? You know, that should be their priority. Moderation, keeping kids safe. Do what you're advertising, do what you're telling parents. And there's clearly some mental decision between him and people at the company that they just. They don't value that. I think the executives that were involved in some of these decision making, I think, you know, people like Matt Kaufman who've seen these things firsthand and think that there needs to be a decision matrix in why they should remove a game that's totally infiltrated by pedophiles. I think that these people don't know what they're doing. I think that these people are just professionally lying to people that. And I don't think that they should Be executives. I see a good Roblox when these people are out of the company, and I hope so. And at the end of the day, my goal isn't even to take down this company. I know it's a resource that kids love. Kids play, they see a lot of. I enjoyed it as a kid. I absolutely loved it. But it was just playing games on the platform casually and just seeing maps in games minor attracted people and, you know, just seven, six, four. Like, it's just horrible. Like. So, yeah, I mean, I just, I really think that there needs to be a leadership change at this company. Someone who actually values it.
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Definitely sounds like it.
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Yeah.
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Got a lot of work to do.
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Absolutely.
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Schlepp. I don't even know if this Porsche. I, I, I'm gonna, this is me to you. We might cut it out of the interview because nobody knows about that. Literally nobody knows about about this, but I'm starting a cyber security tech company. It's going to launch. Yeah, it's going to launch next month. For friends and family. Do the beta testing. It's basically, it's an entire security suite that's going to go on your phone that has all American VPNs, because a lot of the VPNs are Israeli or Chinese or everybody's spying on us. So these are all American VPNs. Keeps the data getting. Whatever this is about to launch. It's called Glacier. And through doing this show, I've met a lot of really good people. Like you, like Ryan, like my business partners at Glacier. They're some of the best fucking engineers in the world. And we built this cybersecurity app. My next venture, because this is what I'm most passionate about, is building something to protect kids. Ryan Montgomery is likely going to be a part of it. My business partners over at Glacier are going to be a part of it. I'm kind of putting everybody together and if this actually goes through, I'd love. I don't know what it looks like. I have no idea. But I'd love to bring you in or have you be a part of this somehow.
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It would be a total honor. Like, you know, I'm really good friends with Ryan Montgomery, so I absolutely, whatever you guys need, whatever help, be more than willing to help with you guys.
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B
Right on, man.
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A
Thank you. I very much appreciate that.
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No, thank you. And you know, one of, one of my goals this year, personal goals, is to not just expose and bitch and complain about things, but actually come up with real fucking solutions. And that's a Big thing that I want to accomplish this year is come up with a solution for parents, you know, that educates them, that protects their kids.
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That's going to protect a lot of kids. That's amazing.
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So man, you're a good person.
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I appreciate it, man.
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B
You're a good person, dude. And I got one last gift for. I forgot I usually give this at the beginning but, but it just with subjects like these, there's never a good time to give something like this. But these are the Jones League gummy bears. If you've seen any of the shows, you know what those are.
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Heck yeah.
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So Made in the usa. Thank you.
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A
Appreciate it.
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You're welcome. And then I did forget one, one other thing. So I guess there is one more question. I got a Patreon account.
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A
Oh yeah. All right.
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B
They're the reason I get to sit here with you today. And so I give them the opportunity to ask every single guest to a question. This is from Teddy. How do you take on the responsibility of being one of the main figures in the fight against Roblox laxadasical efforts to rid their app of child predators? This is actually from his 14 year old son.
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A
Really? Yeah, I, I appreciate him being in the know about everything that's going on, especially all the kids. I mean there's a lot of kids who seen my video. I mean I, I really try to, to put it as like an educational thing and teach about stuff like you know, love bombing and different strategies these predators use. So kids are aware of these sort of things. So shout out to that 14 year old son. But I, it's a lot, it's, it's definitely a very scary position to be in. But I'm, you know, I'm not afraid. You know, I'm wanting to, I'm going to keep powering through it and I hope by the end of this there's actual change. And just, just to know my efforts have already helped some people is all I need to continue. You know, that's, that's really what it is for me in fighting for these victims. That's, that's what it is all about, justice for these victims that Roblox is trying to silence. I mean that's really what it is. They're trying to conceal. They're trying to make it all go away and pretend that, you know, put both hands in their ears. I can't hear anything. You know, we are going to be loud. We are going to continue to fight for these victims. They deserve justice. They absolutely deserve it.
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This is what they all do, man.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There's nothing new under the sun for sure. This is what they all do. But once again, man, it was an honor to meet you. Honor to interview you, and I got a feeling we're going to become good friends.
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A
Appreciate it, man.
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B
Thank you for watching.
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A
Of course.
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B
On top of that, mental health. Thank you.
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A
Thank you.
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B
God bless.
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A
All right.
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B
How do you feel?
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A
Good. Good. That was a great interview, man.
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B
Yeah, it was a good interview.
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A
Oh, man.
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B
That's all you, man.
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Yeah. I wonder what Roblox is going to be saying when they see that video of you playing. That's. That's the thing. They always give out these PR responses. But then there was a guy telling you to get freaky, you know, and. And you're playing mass shooting games.
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B
Like, good luck defending that.
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A
Yeah, absolutely.
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B
Two guys.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Back to back. Yeah. I mean, if you played that for an hour, we caught.
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B
And just think, if I would have done the name, I should have thought about that. I should have done what Ryan did when we did this and done, like, Julie 15.
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A
Yeah. It didn't even come across my mind, honestly. It's probably a good thing because Roblox should try to say something. I mean, they are looking for anything under the sun that they could possibly go at me about, so.
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B
Well. Yeah, it's going to be a hard one to defend, buddy.
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A
Yeah. When discovery happens and all that, I mean, they. They have a lot of explaining to do. I'm glad Florida is now making this a criminal thing, because it should be. I think these executives allowed it to happen.
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B
Yeah.
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100 should be. Yeah. This is definitely a very heavy. I didn't. I didn't expect it to be, like, It. Very liberating too, you know.
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B
Good.
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That's when all this first shredding coming out like that was the most liberating feeling ever. To have all these people finally see what I have been seeing for so long.
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B
Have you ever gone this in depth?
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A
No, I. I have not gone this in depth in an interview. Yeah.
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B
How does it feel to get that fucker's name out there?
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A
Oh, man, it's. He. He's been tweeting, like, why won't he name the person who did it? Like, stuff like that, so. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's been saying that he's on Twitter, like, on secret accounts he's using, like, secret. Yeah, but I know. I know it's him. He's the one doing it.
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B
Well, yeah. Surprise bag.
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A
Yep.
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B
The name's out now. And you ain't hiding anywhere.
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A
Oh, so good.
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B
That shit is going to be every worm.
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A
Yep. I'm glad. I mean, that guy was a total monster. I. I hope when Roblox responds to it, they actually respond. Yeah, this guy was a predator on our site and we banned him. And sure, it was too late, but, I mean, they. They. They did ban him. I mean, I. It'd be nice to see them take some accountability somewhere, but that'll never happen.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, man.
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B
Good stuff, dude.
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A
Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
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B
Likewise. I got kids.
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A
Huh?
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B
I've got kids.
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A
Yeah.
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B
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